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Robin Hanson once wrote a blog post about how reasonably intelligent people (for instance, the sort of people who read his blog) tend to overestimate how smart everyone else is.

For instance, about half of Americans are unable to correctly read a table and do a simple addition/subtraction calculation:

Only 52% could do item AB30901, which is to look at a table on page 118 of the 1980 World Almanac and answer: According to the chart, did U.S. exports of oil (petroleum) increase or decrease between 1976 and 1978?

Such is the banal reality of the American high-90s average IQ, which is still a dozen points above the world average.

Why am I bringing this up?

Because whenever I write about IQ and its relationship to economic success there will inevitably be the skeptical commenters bringing up the same old tired responses. IQ is just a number. It doesn’t measure anything. You are a pseudo-intellectual. You are an IQ reductionism. You are an autist.

Now I acknowledge that there are understandable reasons for this. You can say that Country X has an IQ of 100 and Country Y has an IQ of 85 – but what the hell does it mean in real life?

And consequently, why should the ability to scribble down something for some irrelevant test matter for economic success?

Moreover, this to an extent even applies to the people who read and appreciate IQ realist writers like Steve Sailer and James Thompson on this website. You might have a good general appreciation of the different average IQs of the world’s major regions (Global North: ~100; Latin America and Middle East: ~85; Sub-Saharan Africa: ~70). And many do appreciate that national wealth depends largely on a population’s intelligence, especially of its “smart fractions” (as opposed to neoliberal hand-wringing over insufficient deregulation or the Marxist jeremiads about the “Golden Billion” keeping the Third World down). However, putting the two together – at least in an intuitive, non-autistic way – is quite tricky.

Fortunately, the PISA website has sample math questions from the 2012 assessment, corresponding to each of the six different levels of difficulty, as well as statistics on the percentage of 15-16 year old students from each of the participating countries that is capable of correctly answering it:

Distribution of countries by competence level in Math (PISA 2012)

Country Level 1 Level 2 Level 3 Level 4 Level 5 Level 6
Albania 68% 39% 16% 4% 1% 0%
Argentina 65% 34% 11% 2% 0% 0%
Australia 94% 80% 58% 34% 15% 4%
Austria 94% 81% 59% 35% 14% 3%
Belgium 93% 81% 63% 40% 19% 6%
Brazil 65% 33% 13% 4% 1% 0%
Bulgaria 80% 56% 32% 14% 4% 1%
Canada 96% 86% 65% 39% 16% 4%
Chile 78% 49% 23% 8% 2% 0%
Colombia 58% 26% 8% 2% 0% 0%
Costa Rica 76% 40% 13% 3% 1% 0%
Croatia 91% 70% 43% 21% 7% 2%
Czechia 93% 79% 57% 33% 13% 3%
Denmark 96% 83% 59% 30% 10% 2%
Estonia 98% 90% 68% 38% 15% 4%
Finland 97% 88% 67% 38% 15% 4%
France 91% 78% 56% 32% 13% 3%
Germany 95% 82% 63% 40% 18% 5%
Greece 86% 64% 37% 15% 4% 1%
Hong Kong 97% 92% 80% 60% 34% 12%
Hungary 90% 72% 47% 24% 9% 2%
Iceland 93% 79% 55% 29% 11% 2%
Indonesia 58% 24% 8% 2% 0% 0%
Ireland 95% 83% 59% 31% 11% 2%
Israel 84% 67% 45% 24% 9% 2%
Italy 92% 75% 51% 27% 10% 2%
Japan 97% 89% 72% 48% 24% 8%
Jordan 64% 31% 11% 2% 1% 0%
Kazakhstan 86% 55% 23% 6% 1% 0%
Korea 97% 91% 76% 55% 31% 12%
Latvia 95% 80% 53% 26% 8% 2%
Liechtenstein 97% 86% 71% 48% 25% 7%
Lithuania 91% 74% 48% 23% 8% 1%
Luxembourg 91% 76% 53% 30% 11% 3%
Macao 97% 89% 73% 49% 24% 8%
Malaysia 77% 48% 22% 7% 1% 0%
Mexico 78% 45% 18% 4% 1% 0%
Montenegro 73% 43% 19% 6% 1% 0%
Netherlands 96% 85% 67% 43% 19% 4%
New Zealand 93% 77% 56% 33% 15% 5%
Norway 93% 78% 53% 28% 9% 2%
Peru 53% 25% 9% 3% 1% 0%
Poland 97% 86% 64% 38% 17% 5%
Portugal 91% 75% 52% 28% 11% 2%
Qatar 53% 30% 15% 7% 2% 0%
Romania 86% 59% 31% 12% 3% 1%
Russia 93% 76% 50% 24% 8% 2%
Serbia 85% 61% 35% 15% 5% 1%
Shanghai 99% 96% 89% 76% 55% 31%
Singapore 98% 92% 80% 62% 40% 19%
Slovakia 90% 73% 49% 27% 11% 3%
Slovenia 95% 80% 56% 32% 14% 3%
Spain 92% 76% 52% 26% 8% 1%
Sweden 91% 73% 48% 24% 8% 2%
Switzerland 96% 88% 70% 45% 21% 7%
Taiwan 96% 87% 74% 57% 37% 18%
Thailand 81% 50% 23% 8% 3% 1%
Tunisia 64% 32% 11% 3% 1% 0%
Turkey 85% 58% 33% 16% 6% 1%
UAE 80% 54% 29% 12% 4% 1%
UK 92% 78% 55% 30% 12% 3%
USA 92% 74% 48% 25% 9% 2%
Uruguay 71% 44% 21% 7% 1% 0%
Vietnam 96% 86% 63% 35% 13% 4%
OECD average 92% 77% 55% 31% 13% 3%

I am going to go through them, essentially repeating Robin Hanson’s exercise for the United States for the world at large. Hopefully, this will give us a better perspective on what abstract things like “average national IQ” actually mean in practice. And why seemingly minor differences between them are important and explain the vast bulk of international differences in GDP per capita and general socio-economic success.

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Look Around. There Are Stupid People Everywhere.

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Level 1

Very simple graph-reading problem that almost everyone (92%) in the OECD got correct.

Even so, even at this very elementary level, only 65% of Brazilians and not much more than half of Indonesians and Peruvians can be expected to get it right.

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Level 2

Not even so much a question of elementary arithmetic as of elementary common sense.

But the OECD average is now 77% – only three quarters of Europeans are getting this right, while only the East Asians are still scoring at around the 90% mark.

However, performance amongst outside the high-IQ northern world is already plummeting: Only around half of Malaysians and Mexicans are getting this right, a third of Brazilians, and only a quarter of Colombians, Indonesians, and Peruvians.

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Level 3

One would think that this not much harder than the most basic literacy test, but apparently not. There is not a single country where more than 80% got it right.

OECD average: 55. Elementary table reading is a struggle for half of Americans and Russians, and two thirds of Turks and Romanians.

But the results for the developing world are already veering into catastrophic territory: Only 18% of Mexicans, 13% of Brazilians, and 8% of Indonesians are still coping.

pisa-2012-math-lv4

Level 4

This is the first problem with at least some multi-step elements to it, though it only involves multiplying numbers in a straightforward sequence. I suspect this is the bare minimum cognitive level you need to be capable of productive work within the complex “O-Ring” economy.

OECD average: 31%. The major East Asian countries: ~50%, the Germanic lands: ~40%, the USA – 25%, Russia – 24%, Turkey – 16%.

Meanwhile, the figures for the developing world are diminishing into truly “(not so) smart fraction” territory: Only 4% of Mexicans and Brazilians, 3% of Tunisians and Peruvians, and 2% of Jordanians, Colombians, and Indonesians are still on board, hanging on.

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Level 5

The arithmetic procedure here is still elementary, but it is both multi-step, and has to be completed in the correct order.

I would estimate that this is the minimum level you have to be do competent intellectual work, such as programming.

OECD average: 13%, which broadly correlates to the actual percentage of “symbolic analysts” – mind workers who process information and symbols for a living – within the developed world economies.

But the percentage of people at this cognitive level in the developing world is now pretty much petering out: They constitute just 1% in Albania, Brazil, and Mexico, and less than 1% in Colombia and Indonesia.

Making teams at this level of competence for ordinary entrepreneurs is becoming increasingly unrealistic and, consequently, imposing an absolute limit on economic complexity.

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Level 6

This problem requires a multi-step approach, an understanding of rates, and the intelligence to complete it in the correct order.

Though not especially hard, even at this level. I suspect that many of you can do it in your heads within a minute.

But a majority of all the tested teens begged to differ.

OECD average: 3% (!!). Korea: 12%, Japan: 8%, Germany: 5%. The US, Italy, Sweden, and Russia were all at 2%; the Mediterranean was at 1%.

Some countries where a big fat 100% (rounded up) were unable to do this problem: Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Indonesia, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, Qatar, Tunisia, Uruguay.

The number of people at this level, the highest measured by PISA, is dwindling away into insignificance in Latin America and the Middle East.

And yet this only translates to an IQ of 120-125. We’re nowhere even near genius level yet.

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A Cognitive Model of the Economy

The classical definition of an economy is a system for the production and exchange of goods and services. However, I will argue that you can view it even more fundamentally as a system for generating and trading solutions to problems.

People with successful solutions acquire money, and in turn buy solutions for their own problems (which range from basic needs, such as food and shelter, to whims and fancies, such as a new Tesla). From this perspective, different systems of political economy are ultimately just different ways of organizing the problem-solving machine. For instance, under capitalism, everyone is largely free to buy and sell solutions, whereas under the central planning systems of the old socialist regimes, bureaucrats play the key role in deciding who works on which problem and who gets access to their solutions – and who doesn’t.

In this interpretation, loosening regulations should be generally good, since it effectively removes barriers to speedier exploration of any given problem space. But having people capable of such exploration in the first place is even more important.

Some of these problems, such as subsistence farming and trucking, are pretty simple and can be accomplished with reasonable efficiency even by relatively dull workers. This is because problems in this “Foolproof sector” (as Garett Jones calls it) require few steps and have only a minimal threshold difficulty, so production in this sector is governed by the standard Cobb-Douglas equation. More highly skilled workers are only modestly more productive, and are thus awarded with modestly higher salaries. Labor differs by productivity, but is substitutable – one experienced waiter is worth two novice ones.

complex-production-chain

Gregory Clark – A Farewell to Alms: A simple visual illustration of a multi-step production process. Even minor differences in competence – assuming they have an affect on p , the probability of failure, will have increasingly drastic effects on the success rate as the production chain gets longer.

Other problems are very complex and require teams of competent workers to perform multiple complicated steps to create a successful solution. The best are paired with the best for maximum productivity. Moreover, many O-Ring problems might have a threshold limit for IQ, below which no productive work can be done on them in principle (as per the Ushakov-Kulivets model). To be commercially viable, the risk of failure on any one link of a long production chain needs to be kept low. Examples of these “O-Ring” tasks may include: Aircraft manufacturing; corporate merger planning; computer chip design; machine building; open-heart surgeries.

Why is the O-Ring sector critical? Workers in this sector are richly awarded, corresponding to the massive amount of value generated in these enterprises. But these workers can also take jobs in the Foolproof sector – the chip designer in the O-Ring sector can always become a waiter in the Foolproof sector – thereby pushing up wages in the latter far beyond what they would otherwise be in a society with no substantial O-Ring sector to speak of. As Jones argues, this is because labor in the Foolproof sector is substitutable, and low-IQ people are broadly competitive with high-IQ workers.

According to Kremer/Jones, it is the relative strength of the O-Ring sector in the developed world which explains why a hairdresser earns five times as much in Belgium as in Brazil, even though productivity between the two cannot be much different. Or why a coffee at a cafe costs 10x less than in Turkey than in Norway, even though the Turkish coffee will if anything be better. This difference between 100 IQ Belgium and 85 IQ Brazil is much greater than the difference between two average persons with that IQ within either country.

Why is this O-Ring stronger in Belgium than in Brazil? Because in Brazil, only a tiny fraction of high school students can do anything much more complex than a simple, single-step arithmetic operation.

 
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  1. blatnoi says:

    So why do foolproof sector workers in the US earn much more than foolproof sector workers in Korea? Or let’s say if you take into account medical, maybe they earn the same, but they should earn a lot more based on the difference in the percentage that answered level 6 correctly. Maybe there are diminishing returns in this theory beyond a certain point.

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    • Replies: @Dan Bagrov
    The o-ring story is just one layer to the full model, albeit possibly the most important layer. There’re other things that matter, such as the USA being founded and still mostly run on Anglo principles (seems good for max GDP per head), the US having never been invaded, having a 100 year head start on South Korea in terms of industrialization. Look at Japan, who has a simile IQ to Korea, lower skilled workers there are well compensated, Korea (and Russia and Poland et c.) will catch up as their GDP per capita asymptotes toward the IQ potential.
    , @Saxon
    This is probably where behavioral biology matters. Germanic countries (and the US was definitely founded as one--with refs by several of the founding fathers to their Anglo-Saxon heritage and returning to more ancient ways of being like with the founding of England) are high trust, low corruption, and thus tended to create more efficiency, less waste, less money siphoned off by corruption. It's a multi-layered issue.

    South Korea is sort of sliding into a new form of Oriental despotism as US influence wanes, and Japan for example has issues that wouldn't make them blink but would gall someone from a Germanic country, such as certain middlemen-types needing their palms greased often with cash gifts to smooth business transactions.
    , @bumblechuck
    Level of development of O-ring sector, government policies (minimum wage? unions?), and actual competition between foolproof and O-ring sector workers may have something to do with it. Population size as well?
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  2. Epigon says:

    PISA tests are a meme; at least here.

    “Here’s your test on a computer, kids”
    “Does it impact our grades?”
    “Nope”
    “Are the test results public?”
    “Nope”
    “LOL, watch this – record time”

    :Everyone does it as quickly as possible, those who try hard might be called out as nerds and uncool:

    Seriously, I have a distinct feeling that Asian schools prepare their kids in advance. The same way most of schools here practically abandoned normal teaching programme and instituted year long preparations aimed at drilling students into solving the specific exams that constitute the Abitur/Matura.
    Also, don’t pretend that actual IQ test solving can’t be trained.

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    • Agree: melanf, Tyrion 2
    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @szopen
    This was already measured and the results were recently IIRC posted on unz.com somewhere. In short, you are wrong.

    On both issues, BTW. You can train IQ tests, but after training the value of the results fall (you can express taht idea in either saying g-loading will fall, or that the skills are not trasnferable to another task).
    , @Logan
    The biggest correlation of IQ tests with the real world is probably in how quickly a person can learn something new.

    A high-IQ person will quickly master a simple task. As you go down the IQ ladder, the amount of time it takes a person to master the same skill increases. But once he's achieved mastery, he's generally as good at it as the high-IQ guy. Sometimes better, as the high-IQ guy gets bored and stops trying.

    As the complexity of the skill we're talking about increases, the lower IQ people take longer and longer to achieve mastery, and the lowest-IQ types successively peel off the bottom, with mastery simply beyond their ability no matter how much time is spent teaching the skill.

    In the tests this articles discusses, it would be interesting to also track how long it took students to reach a correct answer.

    , @Vojkan
    Agree and disagree. I think everything you stated is true. But... I believe that a population average score on IQ tests has an impact on that population overall economic performance. It's a matter of productivity, not intelligence. Such tests can be at most treated as measures of an individual performance potential in specific areas, definitely not as scentific methods to quantify individuals' intelligence.
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  3. economic success

    There’s no such thing as “economic success”.

    Or, rather, there is no single valid metric of “success” in this space.

    Consider Equatorial Guinea, an “economically successful” country with a GDP (PPP per capita) comparable to the Czech Republic. Yet it is still a classic African shithole, with literal cannibals roaming the streets.

    Consider again the Ukraine, which is a Somalia-tier failed state, with a failed economy to match it. Yet it is full of SWPL white people who drink craft beer, enjoy boutique board games and walk alone at night.

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    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    This sounds very convincing, but have you been to both or either country ?
    , @Altai

    Consider again the Ukraine, which is a Somalia-tier failed state, with a failed economy to match it. Yet it is full of SWPL white people who drink craft beer, enjoy boutique board games and walk alone at night.
     
    LOL. Maybe in the wealthier parts of Kiev. Is the fact that Eastern Europe is utterly corrupt and low trust just something people have to be taught again?
    , @Tyrion 2
    I've not been to the Ukraine nor Equatorial Guinea but I have been to plenty of poor Sub-Saharan countries where life is substantially more enjoyable than "craft beer" and "boutique boardgames".
    , @marpa
    EG is a tiny country with a huge oil production economy. The average GDP is meaningless, because the rich take most of the money and the poor live terribly. It's a kleptocracy as a result, and thus not comparable to genuinely developed countries of similar GDP.
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  4. DFH says:

    Looking at this makes me a little sceptical of how well the PISA tests measure competence (at least in absolute terms).
    For instance, the claim that only such a small percentage of British schoolchildren can do advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs, which require competence in similar levels of Maths.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/aug/24/proportion-of-students-getting-good-gcse-grades-falls-after-reforms

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    GCSEs involve years of teaching to the test. Format is predictable, changes little from year to year. Past exams are available for practice.

    In contrast, PISA presents novel problems of the sort one is more likely to encounter in real life.
    , @Kratoklastes
    You don't understand credentialism, grade inflation and reduced pedagogic standards.

    The number of kiddies who get As (nowadays, A or A*) at GCSE has increased from 8% to 22% since 1988; A* was introduced in 1994 when the number of kiddies getting As changed from about 1 in 12 to about 1 in 8.

    So 'A' is the 'new B' (almost exactly, actually).

    A GCSE 'A' has changed from 'this kid is soundly inside the top decile for this subject' to 'this kid is definitely outside the top 6% (otherwise they would have got an A*). They could be outside the top quintile. They're safely inside the top quartile, though, innit.'.

    GCSE maths is like high school maths everywhere in the West nowadays: it has been shorn of all rigour.

    The same is true for university "Honours": in the UK, 25% of graduates get a First (in 1988 it was 4-10% depending on the institution). In Australia a First now means inside the 4th percentile (at Melbourne Uni Economics they had a tradition to only give a single First: that's gone now). In my year, there were 4 Firsts - a record up to that point, but it was four genuinely outstanding students; a dead-heat for top student (me and my mate Ritch), then 2 others dead-heated 4% lower (two other mates). Some years prior to 1995 there were no Firsts awarded.

    I know this is getting long: might take a whole minute more to finish...

    Back to high school maths and declining standards.

    As far back as the late 90s - before grade inflation really took off - even quasi-élite students were poorly prepared by high school mathematics.

    At the time I was a PhD candidate (in Econometrics, on a 'full ride' merit scholarship).

    To augment our scholarships we were given tutoring positions (3 1-hour tutes a week, plus exam and assignment marking, for a 0.35 full time, full-year salary - easiest money ever). So we were at the 'coal face' - teaching first year Econometrics, which was mandatory (I also tutored third year Applied Econometric Modelling, which was elective - and a cinch to teach because everyone who took it wanted to be there and the chaff had already been winnowed out).

    This was at a university in the top few dozen in the world in the field, which required high school marks solidly in the 5-6% to get into the undergraduate course. The entry requirements also included 2 units of maths (i.e., what we used to refer to as 'Pure' and 'Applied') at Year 12 final exams.

    It's difficult to score in the top decile of high school graduates with 2 maths subjects, unless you get an A in at least one of those subjects.

    With that as background: I had students in first year who didn't know
    what a logarithm was (for fuck's sake);
    • how to differentiate (forget chain and product rules - I mean simple differentiation of a univariate function);
    • how to manipulate powers (e.g., a²/a⁴= ?);
    • basic matrix and vector algebra (the hardest topic would have been Cholesky decomposition of a 5×5 matrix - by hand, because it's 1996).

    These kids were not outliers, or 'special entry' kids - my colleagues reported similar problems with their first-year classes, too.

    In the end my mates and I prepared a bunch of remedial mathematics notes that were distributed widely, and we pre-emptively handed them out during 'O' (Orientation) week in subsequent years.

    Less than 5 years prior to this, my mates and I were undergraduates ourselves: Econometrics was mandatory in first year, but elective subsequently: 'pure' Economics majors dropped it the moment they could.

    Every one of the second-year Econometrics students in our year had done first-year Mathematics (in the Science department) as an elective in first year... because it was free marks. Calculus, linear algebra, first-order differential equations - re-hashing year 11 and 12 maths.

    I know right? I'm old, and I'm one of those "shit was better/harder/tougher when I was younger, waaaaah" types.

    No, not really.

    Standards were higher, and they changed - markedly, radically, downwards - in the middle years of the 1990s.

    I watched it happen in real time: in my Honours year (1995), the person teaching Macroeconomic Theory was forced to "pump the brake" on a really good rigorous Modern Macro course (e.g., one based on Blanchard & Fisher).

    It was a mandatory subject for Honours; a fail meant you were booted with a Pass degree.

    Half the pure-Economics majors had spent their previous 3 years writing essays.

    After the first assignment, in which they did poorly, the pure-Ecotards saw the maths required for the next unit (a basic OLG model).

    They shit themselves, saw the impending train wreck, and agitated for the subsequent assignments and exam to be watered down.

    Faculty held their ground (but they changed the course the following year), but pure-Econometrics and joint Econ/Econometrics majors (i.e., me an my chums) were 'asked' to tutor the essay-writers.

    So we had to babysit these tards (only one of whom got a 'First') while managing a study load that for us included
    Math Eco Theory (which was heavy on Optimal Control and Calculus of variations - taught from Leonard & Long and Kamien & Schwartz),
    Quantitative Economic Policy (which was heavy on Itō Calculus), and
    Econometric Theory (heavy on integral calculus, linear algebra and probability).

    Oh... and on a historical note: that first-year Maths subject that I mentioned - it used to be a one-semester unit... it's now split into 3 subjects, one of which is a second-year subject.

    CREDENTIALISM.

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    , @Peasant
    'advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs'

    beleive me there is no such thing as advanced maths on a gcse test. My maths gcse was pretty basic and this was 15 years ago (god knows how easy it would be today with the constant lowering of standards) but I still pulled a bad result (I have a learning disorder which means i am no good at maths). Most people barely scraped by. Private schools in the UK use a supplemental advanced maths test for applications to universities etc.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    For instance, the claim that only such a small percentage of British schoolchildren can do advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs, which require competence in similar levels of Maths.
     
    How can the poor kids be expected to understand anything about the concept of numbers as long as you silly Brits keep pluralizing singular nouns?

    It's math, for crying out loud!
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  5. Robin Hanson once wrote a blog post about how reasonably intelligent people (for instance, the sort of people who read his blog) tend to overestimate how smart everyone else is.

    I for one never make this mistake! For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia, because most people are too dumb and too lazy to figure out how to use VPN.

    In my observation people who overstimate intelligence in others are themselves somewhat limited in their mental capacity – think of a typical college-educated Western liberal, who is reasonably “smart”, and thinks that African immigrants are smart people just like him.

    It takes a special kind of intelligence to see limitations in others, and some people are even smart enough to aknowledge their own limitations.

    Because in Brazil, only a tiny fraction of high school students can do anything much more complex than a simple, single-step arithmetic operation.

    That’s an interesting finding and a bit unexpected, because Brazil has a substantial white population, who enjoy access to superior schooling. This massive gap in performance cannot be explained solely by race.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more “diverse”? I questioned America’s ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.

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    For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia...
     
    I think this is a bit different since the average Telegram user is more sophisticated than the average. Now yes, if say odnoklassniki was blocked, then usage would plummet. But I haven't noticed any major decline in usage amongst the people who were using it, e.g. people at a state-owned company that I was doing contract work for when the ban went into effect. Also, as I'm sure you well known, the actual blocking has been highly ineffective. I don't even have to use VPN to access it 99% of the time.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more “diverse”? I questioned America’s ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.
     
    In Hive Mind, Garett Jones mentions the peer effect - studies showing people work harder when they are observed by hard workers. It's highly plausible that the same goes for intellectual achievement. Not much point in working your brain off when surrounded by dumbos, since most success is relative, not absolute.
    , @DFH
    The fact that Argentines are so dumb (0% even getting level 5) when they are 80% white is what I find most astonishing. Maybe they are just extremely lazy.
    , @for-the-record
    some people are even smart enough to a(c)knowledge their own limitations.

    By this standard I must be very intelligent.
    , @AB

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more “diverse”? I questioned America’s ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.
     
    We are getting dumber as a country. It's not just the huge influx of immigrants from lower IQ black and brown countries, the increasing inter-marriage rate between whites and blacks/browns, but also a failing education system. Our schools care more about indoctrination than actual education these days. Elementary math is often taught by teachers who flunked algebra in high school. By the time most kids get to middle school, they've fallen too far behind.
    , @Chase
    I have to remind people all the time how truly and horrifyingly stupid most people are. My interaction with anyone with an IQ lower than ~115 is 100% superficial: the gas station attendant, waitress, etc. I like to say the best random sample of people you can find is the DMV. Everyone has to go, can’t get their assistants to do it. Do you want to be ruled by the folks around you at the DMV? Democracy - even though we haven’t had it for some time - is so stupid.
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  6. @Felix Keverich

    Robin Hanson once wrote a blog post about how reasonably intelligent people (for instance, the sort of people who read his blog) tend to overestimate how smart everyone else is.
     
    I for one never make this mistake! For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia, because most people are too dumb and too lazy to figure out how to use VPN.

    In my observation people who overstimate intelligence in others are themselves somewhat limited in their mental capacity - think of a typical college-educated Western liberal, who is reasonably "smart", and thinks that African immigrants are smart people just like him.

    It takes a special kind of intelligence to see limitations in others, and some people are even smart enough to aknowledge their own limitations.


    Because in Brazil, only a tiny fraction of high school students can do anything much more complex than a simple, single-step arithmetic operation.
     
    That's an interesting finding and a bit unexpected, because Brazil has a substantial white population, who enjoy access to superior schooling. This massive gap in performance cannot be explained solely by race.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more "diverse"? I questioned America's ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.

    For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia…

    I think this is a bit different since the average Telegram user is more sophisticated than the average. Now yes, if say odnoklassniki was blocked, then usage would plummet. But I haven’t noticed any major decline in usage amongst the people who were using it, e.g. people at a state-owned company that I was doing contract work for when the ban went into effect. Also, as I’m sure you well known, the actual blocking has been highly ineffective. I don’t even have to use VPN to access it 99% of the time.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more “diverse”? I questioned America’s ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.

    In Hive Mind, Garett Jones mentions the peer effect – studies showing people work harder when they are observed by hard workers. It’s highly plausible that the same goes for intellectual achievement. Not much point in working your brain off when surrounded by dumbos, since most success is relative, not absolute.

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    Level 4 surely creates an anomaly. Despite being very tired and sleepy I was able to figure out the answers on the other 5 levels almost as fast as I could read them but Level 4 held me up with visualisation and interpretation. On returning to it I decided the diagrams were telling me that the two people could leap in where the arrow said Entry and out where it said Exit so that the first two would be in and out of the door in 60÷4÷3 = 5 seconds, 2×12 would be through each minute and the number for 30 minutes could be as high as 720. But surely that's not as easy as Levels 5 and 6?
    , @Felix Keverich
    Actually, Telеgram usage declined in Russia since the ban was introduced. Keep up!

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3701472

    They had very strong growth going into ban, but since then a decline of 23%.
    , @KDM
    This is probably why everyone wants “white” kids in their diverse schools. Asians even want to go to school with white kids (probably so they look smarter against the mediocre whites, shrugs).
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  7. @DFH
    Looking at this makes me a little sceptical of how well the PISA tests measure competence (at least in absolute terms).
    For instance, the claim that only such a small percentage of British schoolchildren can do advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs, which require competence in similar levels of Maths.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/aug/24/proportion-of-students-getting-good-gcse-grades-falls-after-reforms

    GCSEs involve years of teaching to the test. Format is predictable, changes little from year to year. Past exams are available for practice.

    In contrast, PISA presents novel problems of the sort one is more likely to encounter in real life.

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    This is true - British teachers get graded and promoted on their GCSE (high school exam taken at age 16) results. The schools are also marked on their GCSE results and graded in published school league tables. Therefore there is massive pressure to get kids through, all teaching of 14 to 16 year old kids is geared to getting them to pass the exams which determine if they they can go on to do A levels (university entrance exams for 18 year old)

    School reputations also matter , I volunteered at a local school which had a banner displayed at the school entrance proudly announcing a 98% pass rate. Many kids however tend to forget everything that they had been taught in maths pretty quickly. There is also an anti maths prejudice amongst many girls and people from the white working class British community

    Another thing that volunteering at the school enabled me to see is how varied the general population's intelligence really is. Those of us who have worked in cognitive professions and went to Ivy League or Russell Group (or equivalent universities) are normally surrounded by reasonably smart people and as Anatoly said assume that everyone is just like us. They are not
    , @Peasant
    You really cannot teach to the test with advanced mathematics. The answer is that there is no such thing as advanced mathematics on a GCSE test. My test was (by international standards) easy and even then I and most others only scraped by with a C. A freind of my sister retook a maths GCSE at age 30 (she is training to be a teacher) and only scraped by with a C.

    The teaching of mathematics outside of private schools in the UK is a horrifyingly bad joke.
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  8. “Or why a coffee at a cafe costs 10X less than in Turkey than in Norway”.
    10X less?
    Or 1/10th as much?

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  9. I think Karlin is converging on my elitist “nationalism”. The proles require leadership and noblesse oblige.

    It should not be forgotten that they have have very useful specific knowledge and skills and are often immune to “clever sillies” nonsense. I have double digit IQ employees who can work miracles with their hands.

    Our task is to mobilize them as soldiers to crush and replace existing elites with ourselves.

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    The proles require leadership and noblesse oblige.

    But they have to "like" you to follow you and that leaves out about 99.9% of would be elite leaders.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Our task is to mobilize them as soldiers to crush and replace existing elites with ourselves.'

    Nice to hear someone else with some common sense.
    , @Serrice
    Been saying this for three years
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  10. Spandrell says: • Website

    Post of the year. I mean it.

    Oh I’m gonna have fun playing this test and telling the results per country to people in China.

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  11. DFH says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Robin Hanson once wrote a blog post about how reasonably intelligent people (for instance, the sort of people who read his blog) tend to overestimate how smart everyone else is.
     
    I for one never make this mistake! For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia, because most people are too dumb and too lazy to figure out how to use VPN.

    In my observation people who overstimate intelligence in others are themselves somewhat limited in their mental capacity - think of a typical college-educated Western liberal, who is reasonably "smart", and thinks that African immigrants are smart people just like him.

    It takes a special kind of intelligence to see limitations in others, and some people are even smart enough to aknowledge their own limitations.


    Because in Brazil, only a tiny fraction of high school students can do anything much more complex than a simple, single-step arithmetic operation.
     
    That's an interesting finding and a bit unexpected, because Brazil has a substantial white population, who enjoy access to superior schooling. This massive gap in performance cannot be explained solely by race.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more "diverse"? I questioned America's ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.

    The fact that Argentines are so dumb (0% even getting level 5) when they are 80% white is what I find most astonishing. Maybe they are just extremely lazy.

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    How can it be so bad when their average is 96?
    , @AaronB
    The Argentinean probably saunters casually into the testing room thinking - why the f*** should I take this irrelevant nonsense seriously. That steak and wine dinner last night was amazing, I think ill save my mental effort for that history of Russian literature I'm reading.

    The Chinese guy walks grim-faced and serious into the room thinking - I must give this totally irrelevant question my absolute maximum effort, for the honor of my family and to avenge the humiliations of the Opium War and show we're equal to whites!

    Much later, guys like Anatoly Karlin scratch their heads and simply can't figure out why IQ tests significantly fail to measure up to real world outcomes between countries and groups, and individuals.

    Oh well, they say to themselves, w'ell just ignore the pesky details.

    And so the human comedy goes.
    , @Duke of Qin
    The simple answer is that Argentine demographics aren't 80% white, or at least not what would fall as European under North American definitions. A century of gradual decline is a century of shifting population ratios due to differentiate fertility.

    Also it needs to be said that the nations of Latin America are running de facto caste systems due to assortative mating. Caste systems have the side effect of maintained system stability at the cost of overall competitiveness because elite intragroup competition is much smaller and selection pressures much weaker because the proles are so dimwitted that they don't pose any threat.
    , @Epigon
    C’mon, everyone knows Argentinians are NOT white
    , @songbird
    I wonder how much emigration there's been of smarter Argentinians. Got to figure, the country is pretty unstable politically.

    Still, it is hard to reconcile Chile which is lower white, higher Amerind.

    I believe that the Amerind percentages are increasing in both places, at least theoretically, due to immigration.
    , @Bruno
    There is a stupid program in Spain for semi famous people where they like to test the IQ of the guest with a real psychologist . The Argentinian who had been tested was the dumbest ever on the program (90 versus an average of 115) for most guests. She was known in Argentina .

    Maybe the dumbest of Spanish and Italian migrated there ....
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  12. Gigerenzers Work showed that tests, like the above, are strongly format dependent. Change the test format to one to which our cognitive abilities are evolutionary adapted and performance will improve a lot.

    The main problem I have with these tests is, that they are mostly irrelevant, in the same sense as university education is mostly irrelevant to work place performance, since most skills are *learned* when they are needed and kept in strength as long as they are needed. University and schools degrees are at best a kind of signaling of discipline, obedience and the like.

    What is more relevant than IQ imho (which has a dissapointing intra-individual validity btw; test the same individual at different times and you get different results, fluctuating up to 20%), is how *fast* an individual can behavioraly adapt to environmental requirements. Put differently, it is more important how fast an individual can learn or change its behavioral repertoire. Some individuals learn faster than others and are therefore more adaptible to and therefore successful in changing environements.

    You can train rats, pigeons and dogs quite surprisingly complex tasks. With the proper symbolic format (like colored buttons) and training you could train a rat to perform simple symbolic algorithms (think of how a turing machine operates). Human behavior is even more adaptable, putting the tests above in the purview of IQ-70 populations – with proper training that is (IQ tests are also subject to training effects btw, i.e. you can train for high IQ test scores).

    What is missing in the intelligence debate is a measure of this second order behavior, or the ability to learn new behaviors.

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    Some individuals learn faster than others and are therefore more adaptible to and therefore successful in changing environements.

     

    This might be supported, by a currently strong correlation between academic ability, and person's occupational and geographical mobility.

    People with higher academic achievements, are having more mobility on average both between professions, and also geographically movement between different industrial centers.

    But can you disentangle this from a fact that people with higher academic ability, have far greater opportunities and motivations for mobility? Visa requirements for many countries are quite openly based on skill levels.

    On the other hand, workers in some industries are often appearing not so much unable, as simply psychologically motivated not to change and adapt, with an almost cultural resistance to it.

    In discussions on this topic, it is usually referred to Margaret Thatcher, who has famously and unsuccessfully tried to break the laziness and immobility of British workers, that refused to adapt to the decline of their coal industry by changing profession.

    There is a depressing sense of "premature aging" in such cultures, professions and social strata, where people become very rigid against learning new topics after a certain age - and this rigidity surely being less a product of inability, than lack of willpower.

    , @Tyrion 2
    Yes to your post.

    What is missing in the intelligence debate is a measure of this second order behavior, or the ability to learn new behaviors.
     
    I don't think such a test is possible. At least not in a standard format. The results would be too random were the test not many hours or days long. Also, testing the ability to learn genuinely new behaviours requires the test creators to come up with new behaviours for every test, which would be extremely creative.
    , @dux.ie
    > What is missing in the intelligence debate is a measure of this second order behavior, or the ability to learn new behaviors.

    PISA Maths tends to test the application of mathematical knowledge to solve problems set in real-world contexts. While others like TIMSS, SAT, ACT tend to test classroom contents. There is a different OECD test on "Creative Problem Solving" CPS (which measures students’ capacity to respond to non-routine, fuzzy and ill defined situations in order to achieve their potential as constructive and reflective citizens) from a different testing body supervised by OECD,

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/pisa-2012-results-skills-for-life-volume-v_9789264208070-en

    The creative problem solving ability can be characterized by the ability to utilize (existing) knowledge and the ability for new knowledge acquisition. In the OECD Creative Problem Survey CPS, various countries were survey for the 15 yo on their ability in these two respects,

    http://i63.tinypic.com/5eimif.png

    The test is objective interaction with computers (to take out the human element) which present the fuzzy and ill defined novel problems and some (not all required) knowledge, and additional info will only be given only when the candidate intuitively know what additional knowledge are required and ask/search for them. Significant number of students just stared blankly at the screen. Rote learning does not help.

    There is tight relationship between the two characteristics, those above the regression line are generally more generalistic than specialistic and vice versa. If that is true then most western countries are more generalistic than specialistic whereas the East Asian countries are more specialistic, in complete contradiction to the commonly held narrative that they are mostly rote learners. (The testing organization is European.) What is more staggering is the gap between the top specialistic countries with the rest. Read the results from the OECD report. Very entertaining.
    , @HardcoreZen
    As I consider this response I ask myself why. Why am I reading this, why am interested, and what is the value of my response... Knowing that the value will be dictated by each and every reader based on an infinite number of variables just as as variable in context purpose, origin, and value in conveying MY thoughts from the abstract construct of my mind.

    Most I read are thoughtful and intelligent even when contrary. However they also are very masturbatory of ego...

    No man is without ego.

    Where does human psychology fit in this pedantic recursive self referential masturbatory conversation on human intellect?

    What is the role of the in-the-most-generic-sense 'higher-self', 'super-ego', 'übermensch' function of the human psyche? Is this were all the conversation on measuring intellect fail? IQ as I understand it is supposed to serve this function but a review of the comments most clearly demonstrates humans as petty and egotistical regardless of IQ.

    Moreover, where is the standardization of IQ testing and who sets it? Do you 'assume' it is the brightest and most intelligent? Those with the highest IQ in the human race being sequestered to a secret meeting where they set the standards of intelligence in the world...

    In my mind which consistently gives varying degrees of intelligence based on the irrefutable neuroscience that my brain operates on chemistry... Has the courage to refute my seeming intelligence and challenge it for what it honestly is. A human organ as frail and subject to environmental stresses as any other, and in many respects far more fragile to physical damage.

    What this general discourse on IQ does is masturbate the ego of those at the peak of intellect in their lives. Something that vanishes with simple physical trauma. Oh yes, the human body will demonstrate resilience in this regard but never back to the original state. Brain damage is forever when compared as before and after states.
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  13. Nznz says: • Website
    @DFH
    The fact that Argentines are so dumb (0% even getting level 5) when they are 80% white is what I find most astonishing. Maybe they are just extremely lazy.

    How can it be so bad when their average is 96?

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  14. AaronB says:
    @DFH
    The fact that Argentines are so dumb (0% even getting level 5) when they are 80% white is what I find most astonishing. Maybe they are just extremely lazy.

    The Argentinean probably saunters casually into the testing room thinking – why the f*** should I take this irrelevant nonsense seriously. That steak and wine dinner last night was amazing, I think ill save my mental effort for that history of Russian literature I’m reading.

    The Chinese guy walks grim-faced and serious into the room thinking – I must give this totally irrelevant question my absolute maximum effort, for the honor of my family and to avenge the humiliations of the Opium War and show we’re equal to whites!

    Much later, guys like Anatoly Karlin scratch their heads and simply can’t figure out why IQ tests significantly fail to measure up to real world outcomes between countries and groups, and individuals.

    Oh well, they say to themselves, w’ell just ignore the pesky details.

    And so the human comedy goes.

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    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Talha

    to avenge the humiliations of the Opium War
     
    LOOOOOL!!!!

    Peace.
    , @AaronB
    Don't troll me Anatoly - you must admit one of the most ridiculous things about HBD is how it purports to notice and celebrate a rich diversity in all human traits....except for competitive desire.

    That is supposed to be utterly invariant and constant across race, ethnic group, culture, history, environment, recent national humiliation, and time.

    This assumption is necessary to make competitive endeavors meaningful - if one group simply isn't competing as hard, kind of makes it less fun :)

    When you play sports, it feels really shitty when the other team just doesn't give it their best effort - really spoils the fun. We were all there, as kids.

    So believe me I get it. But it won't stop me poking fun at you silly kids :)
    , @Anonymous
    And the black guy blows off the test even more than the white people do. So that must mean that blacks have equal IQs than whites right?
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  15. @DFH
    The fact that Argentines are so dumb (0% even getting level 5) when they are 80% white is what I find most astonishing. Maybe they are just extremely lazy.

    The simple answer is that Argentine demographics aren’t 80% white, or at least not what would fall as European under North American definitions. A century of gradual decline is a century of shifting population ratios due to differentiate fertility.

    Also it needs to be said that the nations of Latin America are running de facto caste systems due to assortative mating. Caste systems have the side effect of maintained system stability at the cost of overall competitiveness because elite intragroup competition is much smaller and selection pressures much weaker because the proles are so dimwitted that they don’t pose any threat.

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    Well the White Mexican IQ is around 100 and White Mexicans are not that smart acting.
    , @DFH
    I thought I had read in the past that the Amerindian admixture in Argentines was about 20%, but apparently I was wrong; it is more like 30% with another 5% black (at best). That makes a lot more sense.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines#DNA_Genetics_studies

    Apparently in Chile it is even more, 40%, which surprises me very much since I have been there and (those that I met) did not look it.

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  16. @Felix Keverich

    Robin Hanson once wrote a blog post about how reasonably intelligent people (for instance, the sort of people who read his blog) tend to overestimate how smart everyone else is.
     
    I for one never make this mistake! For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia, because most people are too dumb and too lazy to figure out how to use VPN.

    In my observation people who overstimate intelligence in others are themselves somewhat limited in their mental capacity - think of a typical college-educated Western liberal, who is reasonably "smart", and thinks that African immigrants are smart people just like him.

    It takes a special kind of intelligence to see limitations in others, and some people are even smart enough to aknowledge their own limitations.


    Because in Brazil, only a tiny fraction of high school students can do anything much more complex than a simple, single-step arithmetic operation.
     
    That's an interesting finding and a bit unexpected, because Brazil has a substantial white population, who enjoy access to superior schooling. This massive gap in performance cannot be explained solely by race.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more "diverse"? I questioned America's ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.

    some people are even smart enough to a(c)knowledge their own limitations.

    By this standard I must be very intelligent.

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    Average IQ of AK blog commentors is unironically probably very high. I would guess that the average IQ of almost any interent forum is reasonably above average high.
    , @Abelard Lindsey
    A good man always knows his limitations.
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  17. Epigon says:
    @DFH
    The fact that Argentines are so dumb (0% even getting level 5) when they are 80% white is what I find most astonishing. Maybe they are just extremely lazy.

    C’mon, everyone knows Argentinians are NOT white

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  18. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I think Karlin is converging on my elitist "nationalism". The proles require leadership and noblesse oblige.

    It should not be forgotten that they have have very useful specific knowledge and skills and are often immune to "clever sillies" nonsense. I have double digit IQ employees who can work miracles with their hands.

    Our task is to mobilize them as soldiers to crush and replace existing elites with ourselves.

    The proles require leadership and noblesse oblige.

    But they have to “like” you to follow you and that leaves out about 99.9% of would be elite leaders.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    If he uses a kitten for an avatar 99% of people will click "like."
    , @foolisholdman
    This where the British communist were (probably still are) so stupid. Most of them were intellectuals of one sort or another and consequently looked down (I mean they showed that they looked down) on the very few working class comrades they had, which was very bad for morale as can be imagined. As most of them had never done proletarian jobs, they had no idea how industrial working class people spoke. And they had very little idea how anti-intellectual or more generally how anti-posh most working people in Britain are. Their voices marked them out as "posh" the moment they opened their mouths.

    Because they valued education, they usually sent their children to private schools or at least to the "better sort of state school", so that their children also grew up not knowing how to speak to ordinary working class people, so even if the children survived their schooling
    without turning into conservatives or social democrats, they were still utterly useless at propaganda.

    Having worked on a variety of factory floors, I knew that most of their propaganda was an entirely wasted effort and I tried to explain this to them, but the usual response was that: I wanted them to "talk down to" their intended audience. They seemed not to grasp the fact that they might just as well have written their leaflets in Latin or German because the usual reaction to them was derision and/or incomprehension.

    Mao at least, understood this problem, though even in China some of his comrades thought his propaganda speeches and writings "rather shockingly uncouth".
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    @Duke of Qin
    The simple answer is that Argentine demographics aren't 80% white, or at least not what would fall as European under North American definitions. A century of gradual decline is a century of shifting population ratios due to differentiate fertility.

    Also it needs to be said that the nations of Latin America are running de facto caste systems due to assortative mating. Caste systems have the side effect of maintained system stability at the cost of overall competitiveness because elite intragroup competition is much smaller and selection pressures much weaker because the proles are so dimwitted that they don't pose any threat.

    Well the White Mexican IQ is around 100 and White Mexicans are not that smart acting.

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  20. DFH says:
    @Duke of Qin
    The simple answer is that Argentine demographics aren't 80% white, or at least not what would fall as European under North American definitions. A century of gradual decline is a century of shifting population ratios due to differentiate fertility.

    Also it needs to be said that the nations of Latin America are running de facto caste systems due to assortative mating. Caste systems have the side effect of maintained system stability at the cost of overall competitiveness because elite intragroup competition is much smaller and selection pressures much weaker because the proles are so dimwitted that they don't pose any threat.

    I thought I had read in the past that the Amerindian admixture in Argentines was about 20%, but apparently I was wrong; it is more like 30% with another 5% black (at best). That makes a lot more sense.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines#DNA_Genetics_studies

    Apparently in Chile it is even more, 40%, which surprises me very much since I have been there and (those that I met) did not look it.

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  21. DFH says:
    @for-the-record
    some people are even smart enough to a(c)knowledge their own limitations.

    By this standard I must be very intelligent.

    Average IQ of AK blog commentors is unironically probably very high. I would guess that the average IQ of almost any interent forum is reasonably above average high.

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    Agree unironically. Like at least 110. That's astronomically high by global standards.
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  22. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    The problem with Level 6 Math is that the correct answer as given is 28 whereas the actual one is 28.3(3). That the test-takers were not able to come up with a sensible question that tests concepts such as rates/normalization AND returns an integer answer speaks of low IQ of the test designers.

    Not arguing the main point, of course! The ranking is still roughly meaningful. That is, a largish part of the difference between Switzerland and Albania (or Singapore and Jamaica) can be explained in terms of the tests results shown.

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    the actual one is 28.3
     
    How?
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    No, the answer is 28 km/h. She traveled 7 km in 15 minutes (quarter of an hour).
    , @Epigon
    Congratulations, you are a subhuman
    , @ussr andy
    ha, I too took the arithmetic mean (in my defense, it already felt dodgy)

    Apparently, (bolding mine)


    ...given a series of sub-trips at different speeds, if each sub-trip covers the same distance, then the average speed is the harmonic mean of all the sub-trip speeds; and if each sub-trip takes the same amount of time, then the average speed is the arithmetic mean of all the sub-trip speeds. (If neither is the case, then a weighted harmonic mean or weighted arithmetic mean is needed. For the arithmetic mean, the speed of each portion of the trip is weighted by the duration of that portion, while for the harmonic mean, the corresponding weight is the distance. In both cases, the resulting formula reduces to dividing the total distance by the total time.
    (...)
    -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_mean
     
    , @NestorGoldman
    9 minutes of the ride was 26.6km/h and 6 minutes at 30.

    so how do you figure out the average?
    , @Bruno
    You would be right (i guess because I don’t bother to calculate it) if the question were about the average by traject, indepently of each traject length. But the question explicitly ask to calculate the speed for the « trip to the river and back »

    If calling you subhuman is really nasty, you should be more careful when reading and even more careful before criticizing. At a much higher cognitive level, there were many university math teacher who insulted Vos Savant Monthy Hall problem, and they had to eat their hat ...
    , @Bruno
    You would be right (i guess because I don’t bother to calculate it) if the question were about the average by traject, indepently of each traject length. But the question explicitly ask to calculate the speed for the « trip to the river and back »

    If calling you subhuman is really nasty, you should be more careful when reading and even more careful before criticizing. At a much higher cognitive level, there were many university math teacher who insulted Vos Savant Monthy Hall problem, and they had to eat their hat ...
    , @Tyrion 2
    Excellent trolling anon. Everyone with half an education considered doing what you did but then instantly smacked their head as to why they would bother. Doing this on a post about intelligence and also getting it wrong were nice touches.
    , @Lorne Carmichael
    She biked 7 km in 15 minutes. How is the answer not 28?
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  23. Anon. says:

    What accounts for the relatively poor performance of Bulgaria and Romania on PISA tests, but their exceptional performance in mathematical olympiads, where they outperformed the UK and France?

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    As with chess, the Communist bloc cared much more about these Olympiads.
    , @Epigon
    Those International Science Olympiads (Math, Physics, Informatics, Chemistry) are a combination of talent/IQ and drill - devoted study and preparation under mentors and University student volunteers.
    Or simple homeschooling/extra effort in private time.
    Top High School students/teens are chosen and then specially prepared. There are typical, standard problem in those exams, and solving the previous years’ exams helps a lot. Exams are compiled by all competitor states contributing problem proposals.
    Generally, it is teens/highschoolers competing at solving university level problems.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    It may be that the Bulgarians and Romanians have a larger variance than other European populations and that Bulgaria and Romania sorts through their populations to find those at the extreme RHS of the curve for math ability.

    It should be remembered that the Catholic Church (and the Protestant religions as well) have discourage cousin marriage out to about sixth cousins as a way to avoid the concentration of wealth in the hands of clans, but it would also have served to spread the genes around and stop the concentration of certain skills among certain clans as well (until modern assortative mating came along with the advent of more people going to college.)

    It seems likely that Bulgaria and Romania were not controlled by Catholic church or that parts of it were not.

    Cf, also, the Endogamy practiced by the Jews, resulting in certain effects.

    , @notanon

    relatively poor performance of Bulgaria and Romania on PISA
     
    mountains

    (mountainous regions are often low iodine so my guess is regions that look like this

    https://www.worldmapsonline.com/images/tp-eu-detail3_lg.jpg

    will have unusually high variance)
    , @Dmitry
    In mathematical olympiads, they test the maths skills of a few talented, not necessarily representative, kids.

    In PISA, they are testing cultural conformity, of a wider sample of children, to the OECD's educational psychologists. (Iit is not testing any maths skills, so much as question decoding - and the latter explains the differences between nations).

    You would not expect such strong connection between these two things, as they are two quite different measurements.

    They might still be interesting in themselves though. The PISA stuff really needs to read alongside the OECD's own descriptions of their aims and ideology.

    Their essays and methodology available online. (They want everyone to conform to their own pedagogical ideas, and PISA is their weapon for pushing their ideas through).

    https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/pisa_19963777

    , @Tyrion 2

    What accounts for the relatively poor performance of Bulgaria and Romania on PISA tests, but their exceptional performance in mathematical olympiads, where they outperformed the UK and France?
     
    Surely your own words "exceptional performance in mathematical olympiads" answers your own question?

    What next? All the best stamp collections belong to us? A few people from our country are really good at Scrabble? Or Boggle...
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  24. songbird says:
    @DFH
    The fact that Argentines are so dumb (0% even getting level 5) when they are 80% white is what I find most astonishing. Maybe they are just extremely lazy.

    I wonder how much emigration there’s been of smarter Argentinians. Got to figure, the country is pretty unstable politically.

    Still, it is hard to reconcile Chile which is lower white, higher Amerind.

    I believe that the Amerind percentages are increasing in both places, at least theoretically, due to immigration.

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  25. DFH says:
    @Anonymous
    The problem with Level 6 Math is that the correct answer as given is 28 whereas the actual one is 28.3(3). That the test-takers were not able to come up with a sensible question that tests concepts such as rates/normalization AND returns an integer answer speaks of low IQ of the test designers.

    Not arguing the main point, of course! The ranking is still roughly meaningful. That is, a largish part of the difference between Switzerland and Albania (or Singapore and Jamaica) can be explained in terms of the tests results shown.

    the actual one is 28.3

    How?

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    Yeah, it had unclear wording, so you couldn't be quite sure what it was asking.

    But, yes, depending on the precise question, both answers are valid.

    Just depends on whether you figure the trip as one leg (whole round trip), or 2 separate legs (outgoing, incoming). Like the OP said, lazy test designers.
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  26. songbird says:

    Are these results bundled from paper and computer?

    I used to find it more difficult to take computer tests. I took a practice SAT on the computer, and then the real one without any further prep. On the real, I believe I scored like 200 pts. higher. Out of 1600, though of course it is scaled.

    I think it was a couple of things. Kids are discouraged from doing math in their heads. You’ve got to “show your work.” It is much more comfortable on the eyes to look at paper, and the noise of a computer, I think takes away like 10 IQ points.

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  27. @Anonymous
    The problem with Level 6 Math is that the correct answer as given is 28 whereas the actual one is 28.3(3). That the test-takers were not able to come up with a sensible question that tests concepts such as rates/normalization AND returns an integer answer speaks of low IQ of the test designers.

    Not arguing the main point, of course! The ranking is still roughly meaningful. That is, a largish part of the difference between Switzerland and Albania (or Singapore and Jamaica) can be explained in terms of the tests results shown.

    No, the answer is 28 km/h. She traveled 7 km in 15 minutes (quarter of an hour).

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    Any thoughts on how the test makers expect the test takers to solve the problem? Done as you (and I) did it (4 + 3 km) / (9 + 6 minutes) * (60 minutes / 1 hour) = 28 km/h
    it is a trivial in your head computation with the numbers being conveniently round.

    Done the longer way computing the averages separately and combining them is a much more complex computation.

    Which better qualifies as level 6: realizing the easy way works, or being able to do the harder way correctly?
    , @Anonymous
    Isn't there some ambiguity in the question? Is the average per distance or time?

    Your calculation assumes an average based on time. However, if the average is based on distance, then it's not exactly 28.
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  28. @Anon.
    What accounts for the relatively poor performance of Bulgaria and Romania on PISA tests, but their exceptional performance in mathematical olympiads, where they outperformed the UK and France?

    As with chess, the Communist bloc cared much more about these Olympiads.

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  29. songbird says:

    I wonder what the sample questions are on that African test that they administer to avoid comparison with other countries’ PISA results.

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    I could not find this, but found something else entertaining in one of the papers.

    In the TIMSS 1995 assessment, eighth-grade students were asked to solve the same math question mentioned above (“x/2 < 7 is equivalent to”). In 19 out of 39 mostly developed countries, eighth graders did as well or even better than teachers in the worst-performing Sub- Saharan country (Lesotho) and in four countries they did even better than the average teacher in Sub-Saharan Africa. Moreover, 47% of eighth-grade students in the United States could solve this math question, and—judging by this item alone—are therefore at the level of teachers in Botswana and Namibia.
     
    also

    For instance, in a large-scale assessment across Sub- Saharan African countries, sixth-grade students were asked to choose the correct formula for calculating the number of remaining pages in a 130-page book when the first 78 pages have already been read. Only 30% of the students were able to answer this question correctly. In comparison, two-thirds of fourth-grade students from OECD countries answered this question correctly. Even in the worst-performing OECD country, the United Kingdom, fourth-grade students did substantially better than the average sixth- grade student in Sub-Saharan Africa.
     
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  30. Epigon says:
    @Anonymous
    The problem with Level 6 Math is that the correct answer as given is 28 whereas the actual one is 28.3(3). That the test-takers were not able to come up with a sensible question that tests concepts such as rates/normalization AND returns an integer answer speaks of low IQ of the test designers.

    Not arguing the main point, of course! The ranking is still roughly meaningful. That is, a largish part of the difference between Switzerland and Albania (or Singapore and Jamaica) can be explained in terms of the tests results shown.

    Congratulations, you are a subhuman

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  31. Epigon says:
    @Anon.
    What accounts for the relatively poor performance of Bulgaria and Romania on PISA tests, but their exceptional performance in mathematical olympiads, where they outperformed the UK and France?

    Those International Science Olympiads (Math, Physics, Informatics, Chemistry) are a combination of talent/IQ and drill – devoted study and preparation under mentors and University student volunteers.
    Or simple homeschooling/extra effort in private time.
    Top High School students/teens are chosen and then specially prepared. There are typical, standard problem in those exams, and solving the previous years’ exams helps a lot. Exams are compiled by all competitor states contributing problem proposals.
    Generally, it is teens/highschoolers competing at solving university level problems.

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    > Generally, it is teens/highschoolers competing at solving university level problems.

    There were IMO problems that were extremely hard, e.g. IMO 1988 Problem 6, which was field tested with a group of professional mathematicians who could not solved it in 6 hours and they expected the IMO competitiors to solve it in 15 min.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=math+olympiad+problem+6&uploaded=a&aq=f

    The narrator a university lecturer admitted he took one year to solve the problem.

    , @Bruno
    Completely wrong. Olympiad math are pure g for high school people interested in math. You can’t prsent it when your at university level !


    And if you are audicious épigone, the way you handle figures in your site completely on criticizing anonymous error (if you even able to understand it ). If you are not , you are just rude .
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  32. szopen says:
    @Epigon
    PISA tests are a meme; at least here.

    “Here’s your test on a computer, kids”
    “Does it impact our grades?”
    “Nope”
    “Are the test results public?”
    “Nope”
    “LOL, watch this - record time”

    :Everyone does it as quickly as possible, those who try hard might be called out as nerds and uncool:

    Seriously, I have a distinct feeling that Asian schools prepare their kids in advance. The same way most of schools here practically abandoned normal teaching programme and instituted year long preparations aimed at drilling students into solving the specific exams that constitute the Abitur/Matura.
    Also, don’t pretend that actual IQ test solving can’t be trained.

    This was already measured and the results were recently IIRC posted on unz.com somewhere. In short, you are wrong.

    On both issues, BTW. You can train IQ tests, but after training the value of the results fall (you can express taht idea in either saying g-loading will fall, or that the skills are not trasnferable to another task).

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    I'd like to see that data (and if it's self-reported, well, I'd probably lie about taking these tests seriously, too). Epigon is right. The vast majority of kids taking tests that don't affect their grades put zero effort into the test. I didn't. I got abysmal scores on PISA-type tests.

    /98th percentile GRE (a test I very much cared about)
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  33. szopen says:

    The most significant thing is that the results seems to be the same from immigrants children (Steve Sailer was posting once the results somewhere) i.e. Tunisians in Germany do not have results of the native Germans, but much worse.

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    Do you have a link to that analysis? I am curious how those results correspond to the IAB Brain Drain data. I use the latter as a measure of immigration selectivity and it would be useful if the PISA variation between source/host country pairs could serve as validation.
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  34. Aslangeo says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    GCSEs involve years of teaching to the test. Format is predictable, changes little from year to year. Past exams are available for practice.

    In contrast, PISA presents novel problems of the sort one is more likely to encounter in real life.

    This is true – British teachers get graded and promoted on their GCSE (high school exam taken at age 16) results. The schools are also marked on their GCSE results and graded in published school league tables. Therefore there is massive pressure to get kids through, all teaching of 14 to 16 year old kids is geared to getting them to pass the exams which determine if they they can go on to do A levels (university entrance exams for 18 year old)

    School reputations also matter , I volunteered at a local school which had a banner displayed at the school entrance proudly announcing a 98% pass rate. Many kids however tend to forget everything that they had been taught in maths pretty quickly. There is also an anti maths prejudice amongst many girls and people from the white working class British community

    Another thing that volunteering at the school enabled me to see is how varied the general population’s intelligence really is. Those of us who have worked in cognitive professions and went to Ivy League or Russell Group (or equivalent universities) are normally surrounded by reasonably smart people and as Anatoly said assume that everyone is just like us. They are not

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    People from non-Oxbridge/LSE/Imperial Russell Group universities usually seem a little slow, tbh
    , @PiqueABoo
    A GCSE Maths 'pass' (was seen as grade C but with nuGCSEs that's now grade 4) isn't very difficult and you only need correct answers for roughly 20% of the questions.

    Regarding prejudice, my (just) 15-year-old daughter is an anomalous, strong maths-geek and I've long been curious about this area. For girls I think it is less about them being anti-maths and more about them being pro-English.

    Piles of research has long had girls being better at reading/writing/verbal stuff than maths on average and unless there is a compelling economic or social motive to do otherwise, then children tend to pick their best(=favourite) subjects when contemplating post-GCSE choices. See 'the gender paradox" re. super-gender-neutral Sweden having one of the worst percentages for female representation in STEM etc.
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  35. DFH says:
    @songbird
    I wonder what the sample questions are on that African test that they administer to avoid comparison with other countries' PISA results.

    I could not find this, but found something else entertaining in one of the papers.

    In the TIMSS 1995 assessment, eighth-grade students were asked to solve the same math question mentioned above (“x/2 < 7 is equivalent to”). In 19 out of 39 mostly developed countries, eighth graders did as well or even better than teachers in the worst-performing Sub- Saharan country (Lesotho) and in four countries they did even better than the average teacher in Sub-Saharan Africa. Moreover, 47% of eighth-grade students in the United States could solve this math question, and—judging by this item alone—are therefore at the level of teachers in Botswana and Namibia.

    also

    For instance, in a large-scale assessment across Sub- Saharan African countries, sixth-grade students were asked to choose the correct formula for calculating the number of remaining pages in a 130-page book when the first 78 pages have already been read. Only 30% of the students were able to answer this question correctly. In comparison, two-thirds of fourth-grade students from OECD countries answered this question correctly. Even in the worst-performing OECD country, the United Kingdom, fourth-grade students did substantially better than the average sixth- grade student in Sub-Saharan Africa.

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    It's quite funny to think about how the results of standardized tests are often given as geographic percentiles. In America: state vs. national. But geographic percentiles are close to meaningless, and their primary significance comes from demographics differences.

    It would be better to straight up give demographic percentiles. More informative for the test-taker individually and also for understanding society at large. Of course, it will never happen because it would burst one of the main myths of education.
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  36. AaronB says:
    @DFH
    Average IQ of AK blog commentors is unironically probably very high. I would guess that the average IQ of almost any interent forum is reasonably above average high.

    Agree unironically. Like at least 110. That’s astronomically high by global standards.

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  37. It really is shocking to talk to a person with an IQ under 110. I don’t do it all that often, at least beyond small talk, but it’s always jarring when I get beyond pleasantries and realize that this person really, truly doesn’t understand the concept of “the state” or have a clue about geography or whatever thing I foolishly reference.

    My problem is that I’m often among the dumbest in the room, day to day, so it’s easy to forget that I’m actually smarter than most randomly selected people, and care about more than visual entertainment. Over the years I’ve learned to just shut up and not steer the conversation into “intense” areas. It’s exhausting and a big reason why I gravitate toward the internet. I’m not really all that smart but it’s hard to find a worthwhile conversation with a peer (especially one who won’t crimestop) offline. Thank God for venues like this one!

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    That problem might have motivated Freemasonry and similar membership in the past, pre-Internet times.

    Also, to understand the concept of state, society and causalities in it, one must also be well informed about history and political theory, not just intelligent.

    Off topic; Anatoly, what is your opinion of Vitali A. Meliantsev and his works on economy of Russia?
    Specifically, the numbers he presents and issues he raises in “Russia’s comparative economic development in the long run”?
    , @Rosie

    It really is shocking to talk to a person with an IQ under 110.
     
    And just think, some people say such people should have a free hand to rule over their wives and children as they see fit.
    , @The Plutonium Kid

    I’m not really all that smart but it’s hard to find a worthwhile conversation with a peer (especially one who won’t crimestop) offline.
     
    I'm puzzled by what is meant by "crimestop" in this context. Sure, I'm aware of the Newspeak concept of crimestop in 1984, but you seem to be using it differently here. If so, please explain. Thanks in advance.
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  38. Talha says:
    @AaronB
    The Argentinean probably saunters casually into the testing room thinking - why the f*** should I take this irrelevant nonsense seriously. That steak and wine dinner last night was amazing, I think ill save my mental effort for that history of Russian literature I'm reading.

    The Chinese guy walks grim-faced and serious into the room thinking - I must give this totally irrelevant question my absolute maximum effort, for the honor of my family and to avenge the humiliations of the Opium War and show we're equal to whites!

    Much later, guys like Anatoly Karlin scratch their heads and simply can't figure out why IQ tests significantly fail to measure up to real world outcomes between countries and groups, and individuals.

    Oh well, they say to themselves, w'ell just ignore the pesky details.

    And so the human comedy goes.

    to avenge the humiliations of the Opium War

    LOOOOOL!!!!

    Peace.

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  39. DFH says:
    @Aslangeo
    This is true - British teachers get graded and promoted on their GCSE (high school exam taken at age 16) results. The schools are also marked on their GCSE results and graded in published school league tables. Therefore there is massive pressure to get kids through, all teaching of 14 to 16 year old kids is geared to getting them to pass the exams which determine if they they can go on to do A levels (university entrance exams for 18 year old)

    School reputations also matter , I volunteered at a local school which had a banner displayed at the school entrance proudly announcing a 98% pass rate. Many kids however tend to forget everything that they had been taught in maths pretty quickly. There is also an anti maths prejudice amongst many girls and people from the white working class British community

    Another thing that volunteering at the school enabled me to see is how varied the general population's intelligence really is. Those of us who have worked in cognitive professions and went to Ivy League or Russell Group (or equivalent universities) are normally surrounded by reasonably smart people and as Anatoly said assume that everyone is just like us. They are not

    People from non-Oxbridge/LSE/Imperial Russell Group universities usually seem a little slow, tbh

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    It is Oxbridge and then the rest. Plenty of quick people at the latter but only the former are consistently so.
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  40. Dmitry says:

    Conclusion of the article about “O-ring theory” in development economics, is interesting – I have not heard this before.

    But there is a problem in using PISA “maths” test.

    If you download the sample papers, PISA “maths” test with no maths. It’s more a kind of idle puzzle collection.

    -

    I respect OECD’s economics knowledge, and general ideology.

    One of the problems of OECD’s approach, is trying to test children at 16, which is when real education is only beginning.

    To find comparative gaps in education systems was the purpose of OECD , with the aim of giving recommendations to countries in areas where they need to “catch up” academically.

    For OECD, it was impossible to test any substantial knowledge of children, as different countries have different syllabuses for this age-group.

    So OECD presumably hired some educational psychologists to create these puzzle questions which they believe to be transnationally valid.

    As a result, a large part of what you are measuring is how children, in various countries, can decode confusing questions designed by the OECD to be transnational.

    It’s functioning partly as a test of children’s (or their educational systems’) level of conformity to OECD’s transnational organizational culture.

    In this sense, it’s quite useful for seeing which countries’ youth are “onboard” with their agenda.

    -

    Aside from this particular topic, I would advocate skepticism that testing youth at 16 in general, is going to demonstrate level of the adults in the society.

    People are maturing at different speeds, and I would hypothesize plenty of cases of stupider kids maturing faster than kids with higher potential.

    The correct age for testing should be 21 or 22, when people are academically mature.

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    Your point about maturation ages as you state it is irrelevant unless you think there could be group differences of the kind you attribute to individuals.
    , @dux.ie
    > One of the problems of OECD’s approach, is trying to test children at 16, which is when real education is only beginning.

    Trying to hand wave the facts away? The national 15 yo OECD PISA scores are statistically very very significant for predicting the GRE Quant scores of the corresponding national university graduates (estimated age 21),

    http://i68.tinypic.com/21khsn5.png

    Even the PIRLS scores of the approx. 10 yo are statistically very very significant for predicting the national PISA scores. At approx. 10 yo the relative age effect is significant, the difference between the oldest and the youngest can be about 1 year. i.e. about 10%. A better prediction can be obtained by adjusting the national PIRLS scores to the total sample mean age at 10.14,

    http://i65.tinypic.com/juwfwo.png

    Even the approx. 10 yo national PIRLS scores are statistically fairly significant predictors for the 21 yo graduate GRE Quant scores.

    http://i68.tinypic.com/2w38ga0.png

    > For OECD, it was impossible to test any substantial knowledge of children, as different countries have different syllabuses for this age-group.

    It PISA did not test substantial ability (not knowledge as GRE demands different set of knowledge) why it can very statistical significantly predict the GRE performance? Even with different syllabuses for the East Asian countries many of which are not in OECD why they performed so well?
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  41. Epigon says:
    @Dan Bagrov
    It really is shocking to talk to a person with an IQ under 110. I don’t do it all that often, at least beyond small talk, but it’s always jarring when I get beyond pleasantries and realize that this person really, truly doesn’t understand the concept of “the state” or have a clue about geography or whatever thing I foolishly reference.

    My problem is that I’m often among the dumbest in the room, day to day, so it’s easy to forget that I’m actually smarter than most randomly selected people, and care about more than visual entertainment. Over the years I’ve learned to just shut up and not steer the conversation into “intense” areas. It’s exhausting and a big reason why I gravitate toward the internet. I’m not really all that smart but it’s hard to find a worthwhile conversation with a peer (especially one who won’t crimestop) offline. Thank God for venues like this one!

    That problem might have motivated Freemasonry and similar membership in the past, pre-Internet times.

    Also, to understand the concept of state, society and causalities in it, one must also be well informed about history and political theory, not just intelligent.

    Off topic; Anatoly, what is your opinion of Vitali A. Meliantsev and his works on economy of Russia?
    Specifically, the numbers he presents and issues he raises in “Russia’s comparative economic development in the long run”?

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  42. ussr andy says:
    @Anonymous
    The problem with Level 6 Math is that the correct answer as given is 28 whereas the actual one is 28.3(3). That the test-takers were not able to come up with a sensible question that tests concepts such as rates/normalization AND returns an integer answer speaks of low IQ of the test designers.

    Not arguing the main point, of course! The ranking is still roughly meaningful. That is, a largish part of the difference between Switzerland and Albania (or Singapore and Jamaica) can be explained in terms of the tests results shown.

    ha, I too took the arithmetic mean (in my defense, it already felt dodgy)

    Apparently, (bolding mine)

    …given a series of sub-trips at different speeds, if each sub-trip covers the same distance, then the average speed is the harmonic mean of all the sub-trip speeds; and if each sub-trip takes the same amount of time, then the average speed is the arithmetic mean of all the sub-trip speeds. (If neither is the case, then a weighted harmonic mean or weighted arithmetic mean is needed. For the arithmetic mean, the speed of each portion of the trip is weighted by the duration of that portion, while for the harmonic mean, the corresponding weight is the distance. In both cases, the resulting formula reduces to dividing the total distance by the total time.
    (…)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_mean

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  43. You travel from point A to B at an average speed of 20 km/h, and return at an average speed of 30km/h. What was your average speed for the round trip?

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    ((20^-1+30^-1)/2)^-1?
    , @Epigon
    24 km/h.
    The “trickier” (8th primary school/1st high school class physics) question would be: You drove from point A to point B.
    Half the time you drove 20 km/h, the other half 30 km/h. Your average speed was?
    , @ThreeCranes
    Or: you have the choice of going from A to B by either pedaling your bike up a 20 km hill at 10 km/h and descending for 20 km at 40 km/h OR of going around the hill on the flat road of 40 km at a constant 20 km/h. Which will get you there faster and what are the average speeds? (by the way, this is a reasonable approximation of the real effect gravity has upon moving a body overland, which is why the railroads surveyed the Wild West and then ran tracks on the levelest grades available)
    , @Hippopotamusdrome, @TheDividualist
    These stuff are really too easy. Let's just assume it was 30km away so the trip back was 1 hour and the trip there 1.5 hours. So 60km in 2.5 hours, that is obviously 24 km/h.

    Just like with question 6 (if she rode 7 km in a quarter hour, how much in a full hour?) it is reformulating the question in an easier way what is key, not solving it.

    In such reformulations I always set a variable at 1, in this case the duration of the trip back. Because if it is the distance or the trip to, I would have to work with less round numbers. This is really obvious help you can give yourself.

    BTW poor Americans. If she ran to the river which is 900 yards away in 9 minutes and she found a shorter route 1200 feet away so she ran back in 6 minutes, what is her min/mile running pace? What is the mpg of a car that followed her all the way at the same speed and burned 3 fluid ounces of gas? LOL. I really hope your kids have to deal with shit like this at school, maybe it will make them adopt metric.

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  44. @blatnoi
    So why do foolproof sector workers in the US earn much more than foolproof sector workers in Korea? Or let's say if you take into account medical, maybe they earn the same, but they should earn a lot more based on the difference in the percentage that answered level 6 correctly. Maybe there are diminishing returns in this theory beyond a certain point.

    The o-ring story is just one layer to the full model, albeit possibly the most important layer. There’re other things that matter, such as the USA being founded and still mostly run on Anglo principles (seems good for max GDP per head), the US having never been invaded, having a 100 year head start on South Korea in terms of industrialization. Look at Japan, who has a simile IQ to Korea, lower skilled workers there are well compensated, Korea (and Russia and Poland et c.) will catch up as their GDP per capita asymptotes toward the IQ potential.

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    Very nice article.

    The examples of specific questions highlight the problems in the Balkans, also.

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  46. ussr andy says:
    @for-the-record
    You travel from point A to B at an average speed of 20 km/h, and return at an average speed of 30km/h. What was your average speed for the round trip?

    ((20^-1+30^-1)/2)^-1?

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    ((20^-1+30^-1)/2)^-1?

    Correct, but it's much easier to see the answer (and calculate it in your head) if you choose a concrete distance (the result is obviously independent of the distance)-- 60 km being particularly convenient.
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  47. songbird says:
    @DFH
    I could not find this, but found something else entertaining in one of the papers.

    In the TIMSS 1995 assessment, eighth-grade students were asked to solve the same math question mentioned above (“x/2 < 7 is equivalent to”). In 19 out of 39 mostly developed countries, eighth graders did as well or even better than teachers in the worst-performing Sub- Saharan country (Lesotho) and in four countries they did even better than the average teacher in Sub-Saharan Africa. Moreover, 47% of eighth-grade students in the United States could solve this math question, and—judging by this item alone—are therefore at the level of teachers in Botswana and Namibia.
     
    also

    For instance, in a large-scale assessment across Sub- Saharan African countries, sixth-grade students were asked to choose the correct formula for calculating the number of remaining pages in a 130-page book when the first 78 pages have already been read. Only 30% of the students were able to answer this question correctly. In comparison, two-thirds of fourth-grade students from OECD countries answered this question correctly. Even in the worst-performing OECD country, the United Kingdom, fourth-grade students did substantially better than the average sixth- grade student in Sub-Saharan Africa.
     

    It’s quite funny to think about how the results of standardized tests are often given as geographic percentiles. In America: state vs. national. But geographic percentiles are close to meaningless, and their primary significance comes from demographics differences.

    It would be better to straight up give demographic percentiles. More informative for the test-taker individually and also for understanding society at large. Of course, it will never happen because it would burst one of the main myths of education.

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    Steve Sailer broke down PISA results by race. It was also done by race and state (you have to hunt for the latter in google). White people from the states of Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Jersey are among the highest-scoring people in the world.
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  48. AaronB says:
    @AaronB
    The Argentinean probably saunters casually into the testing room thinking - why the f*** should I take this irrelevant nonsense seriously. That steak and wine dinner last night was amazing, I think ill save my mental effort for that history of Russian literature I'm reading.

    The Chinese guy walks grim-faced and serious into the room thinking - I must give this totally irrelevant question my absolute maximum effort, for the honor of my family and to avenge the humiliations of the Opium War and show we're equal to whites!

    Much later, guys like Anatoly Karlin scratch their heads and simply can't figure out why IQ tests significantly fail to measure up to real world outcomes between countries and groups, and individuals.

    Oh well, they say to themselves, w'ell just ignore the pesky details.

    And so the human comedy goes.

    Don’t troll me Anatoly – you must admit one of the most ridiculous things about HBD is how it purports to notice and celebrate a rich diversity in all human traits….except for competitive desire.

    That is supposed to be utterly invariant and constant across race, ethnic group, culture, history, environment, recent national humiliation, and time.

    This assumption is necessary to make competitive endeavors meaningful – if one group simply isn’t competing as hard, kind of makes it less fun :)

    When you play sports, it feels really shitty when the other team just doesn’t give it their best effort – really spoils the fun. We were all there, as kids.

    So believe me I get it. But it won’t stop me poking fun at you silly kids :)

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    Executive function likely has a genetic component and this affects economic performance as well. I don't think this is about competition as much as it is about awareness; it may be that population A just "doesn't care" as much about solving infrastructural problems as opposed to population B.

    But population A's lack of caring will mean that their infrastructural problems will mount and cause real consequence, e.g. fewer roads, lack of electrical coverage, blackouts, contamination of water, and so on.

    Lack of caring for the consequence does not mean that the consequences will not materialize. Its not necessary to have a moral opinion on this to observe the effects of such.

    Incidentally, since I believe that increased smartphone use harms executive function(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563216304915) and there's some research to support this, this probably means that we'll see more harm across-the-board.

    , @Anonymous
    So your whole point is that the test is invalid because white people blew off the test while the yellows studied for the test in advance?

    I highly doubt this but let's examine this further. If that is the case, why did whites out score the Latinos and Africans?

    Maybe Asians pulled an all nighter, while whites studied forb2 hours, and Latinos didn't study at all. So maybe Latinos are as smart as white people since the test scores don't show that Latinos didn't study for the test?

    You would have to be low IQ to believe this stuff. The whole Asians study for IQ tests are just a meme to make white people feel better about themselves. Sorry to hurt your self esteem.
    , @dux.ie
    For most people (about 75% of the countries) competitive pressure reduces the performance. For example the OECD PISA also survey the competition level among the student, the percentage who wanted to be the best. The results,

    http://i63.tinypic.com/2v8fztg.jpg

    For most countries, the higher WantBestPct the worse the performance, except for about 25% who thrived with competitions.
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  49. @ussr andy
    ((20^-1+30^-1)/2)^-1?

    ((20^-1+30^-1)/2)^-1?

    Correct, but it’s much easier to see the answer (and calculate it in your head) if you choose a concrete distance (the result is obviously independent of the distance)– 60 km being particularly convenient.

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  50. Epigon says:
    @for-the-record
    You travel from point A to B at an average speed of 20 km/h, and return at an average speed of 30km/h. What was your average speed for the round trip?

    24 km/h.
    The “trickier” (8th primary school/1st high school class physics) question would be: You drove from point A to point B.
    Half the time you drove 20 km/h, the other half 30 km/h. Your average speed was?

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    I didn't spend a lot of time solving it, so I might be wrong, but I thought the answer was 24.

    My thinking was, that I drove 1 hour there (20 km distance), and then back at 30 km/h (so I needed two thirds of an hour to get back, a.k.a. 40 minutes), so I drove an altogether 40 km distance in 100 minutes. This means 20 km in 50 minutes, and 1.2X20 km = 24 km in 60 minutes, so 24 km/h.

    Regardless if the distance was longer, it would be the same, just easier to calculate with 1 hour.

    Is it wrong?
    , @for-the-record
    Half the time you drove 20 km/h, the other half 30 km/h. Your average speed was?

    That's far easier than the other one, every one will get that right without thinking.
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  51. AP says:
    @songbird
    It's quite funny to think about how the results of standardized tests are often given as geographic percentiles. In America: state vs. national. But geographic percentiles are close to meaningless, and their primary significance comes from demographics differences.

    It would be better to straight up give demographic percentiles. More informative for the test-taker individually and also for understanding society at large. Of course, it will never happen because it would burst one of the main myths of education.

    Steve Sailer broke down PISA results by race. It was also done by race and state (you have to hunt for the latter in google). White people from the states of Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Jersey are among the highest-scoring people in the world.

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    That is because the east coast is filled with Ashkenazi Jews which matches their 115 IQ.

    Take a sampling of white people from South Dakota and tell me what you get.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    Sailer also showed that the U.S. performs extremely well overall when its scores are broken down by race. What hurts the U.S. is its racial demographics.
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  52. utu says:

    The sample problems of Level 1 to 6 are cluttered with noise of useless informations that is culturally and economic development dependent.

    Why do we need to know that Helen has a speedometer? 20-30 years ago speedometers showing averages speed were not common. If you had a speedometer it was mechanical showing instantaneous speed only. To get the average speed you need time keeping. But anyway the fact that Helen has a speedometer is irrelevant to the problem.

    All problems are quantitative requiring mathematical operation (except for Level 1) and some idea how things work.

    If you reformulated the problems nad asked questions differently the score would be much higher.

    Level 1: For which months the black bar is taller than grey bar? Some kids were not exposed to graphs and haven’t learn how to read them.

    Level 2: What is larger/smaller/equal 4/10 or 2/5? The question is about the definition of the average speed. Give that definition first.

    Level 3: Which number in the lowest row is the largest? WhoTF needs to now what is engine capacity. The term “engine capacity” is not common. How does it sound Swahili?

    Level 4: How many kids in Uruguay saw a revolving door? Most people will have problem visualizing the problem and realizing that 6 people per rotation can pass the door. BTW, African Americans are familiar with revolving (one way only) doors as they are commonly used in prison.

    And so on. Solving the problem like these is to be conditioned by a lot of practice where you are exposed to problems like these. In Mt. Fuji problem you must realize that you must calculate the total time which is the sum of two times: going up and going down. In Helen Level 6 you need to know what is the average speed and that it is not the same as the average of speeds.

    It is all matter of preparation for the test which teaches how to convert stories that you do not have interest in (WGTF about Helen?) to mathematical abstractions. To do it you have to be acculturated to the high level of motivation to score high that you care about scoring the test more than pondering WTF it is all about and who needs it.

    Now the bigger issue. Do PISA tests tell us something? PISA tests scores are classical chicken-egg problem. Why do countries on the make like Eastern Europe often have high PISA scores? Why do they care? Russia is doing exceptionally well in them. But Russia also has impressive military parades on the Victory Day. Russia is known for Potemkin villages. But are Potemkin villages bad? Now, pretense is good because it shows what are important values. Like in case of hypocrisy: “hypocrisy is a tribute vice pays to virtue.” While building a Potemkin village a Russian muzhik gets some idea how a nice village suppose to look. When preparing tanks for the V-day parade the mechanics will put more effort to a make sure that the equipment does not breaks down and perhaps it will extend to normal operations. When cramming for PISA test kids actually learn something. And when they get high scores their confidence level goes up.

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    cluttered with noise of useless informations that is culturally and economic development dependent.
     
    If you download the full test (especially older ones) you'll see most questions are more confusingly written than these samples, and at the same time not testing abilities (if they could be written in a clear way).

    Difficulty of the exam for the children, is in decoding what the questions are trying to say.

    We could see it as a useful test of whether children can filter out unnecessary information, and discern the intentions of the transnational question designer the OECD has hired. Perhaps this is a skill in itself.

    Question format could be useful for preparing children for how their future exams, in areas like mechanics, can be formatted (with narrative and diagrams).

    But at the same time, a more imaginatively talented child, might prefer to dream about this picture of Mount Fuji, instead of the boring counting game beneath it. I would not blame them.

    , @ussr andy

    If you reformulated the problems nad asked questions differently the score would be much higher.

    Level 1: For which months the black bar is taller than grey bar?
     

    dats right. deskill everything. :)

    "find x" "here it is" (circles x)

    "What are you doing?" "I'm making these stupid bricks" (other guy, wipes sweat off his forehead, looks at the huge structure beside him) "I'm building the Chartres cathedral"

    , @dux.ie
    > Why do countries on the make like Eastern Europe often have high PISA scores? Why do they care?

    Why do those developing and least developed countries care? Those countries that reject/dont care about the concept of PISA as just like those cargo cult people hoping that prosperity will drop down from the sky. Otherwise they need the knowledge and resources to kick start their economy.

    One way to achieve that is through foreign investments, like those happened to Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand and China. Who are those decision makers on foreign investments? They are those that attend the World Economic Forum. WEF regularly surveys the multinational corporate chairmen, CEOs, CFOs, etc about foreign investments. What do you know, their country preferences are very very statistical significantly correlated to the PISA scores, irrespective of if they have partially consulted the PISA scores or if PISA measures anything tangible. They might have influence how OECD frames the PISA survey.

    http://i64.tinypic.com/2yl5n4w.png

    Those countries that are poor performers will just wait for ever, despite the low wages the local workers are very hard to train. Those with oil or mineral resources will be extracted by the multi-national without leaving any industrial infrastructure behind.
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  53. @Epigon
    24 km/h.
    The “trickier” (8th primary school/1st high school class physics) question would be: You drove from point A to point B.
    Half the time you drove 20 km/h, the other half 30 km/h. Your average speed was?

    I didn’t spend a lot of time solving it, so I might be wrong, but I thought the answer was 24.

    My thinking was, that I drove 1 hour there (20 km distance), and then back at 30 km/h (so I needed two thirds of an hour to get back, a.k.a. 40 minutes), so I drove an altogether 40 km distance in 100 minutes. This means 20 km in 50 minutes, and 1.2X20 km = 24 km in 60 minutes, so 24 km/h.

    Regardless if the distance was longer, it would be the same, just easier to calculate with 1 hour.

    Is it wrong?

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    Yes, the answer to first one is 24 km/h.
    The one I wrote is variation of it that shows difference between average speed and average of speeds, so 25 km/h is the correct answer.
    Typical gotcha problems.
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  54. ussr andy says:
    @for-the-record
    ((20^-1+30^-1)/2)^-1?

    Correct, but it's much easier to see the answer (and calculate it in your head) if you choose a concrete distance (the result is obviously independent of the distance)-- 60 km being particularly convenient.

    whatkindofsorceryisthis.gif

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  55. Epigon says:
    @reiner Tor
    I didn't spend a lot of time solving it, so I might be wrong, but I thought the answer was 24.

    My thinking was, that I drove 1 hour there (20 km distance), and then back at 30 km/h (so I needed two thirds of an hour to get back, a.k.a. 40 minutes), so I drove an altogether 40 km distance in 100 minutes. This means 20 km in 50 minutes, and 1.2X20 km = 24 km in 60 minutes, so 24 km/h.

    Regardless if the distance was longer, it would be the same, just easier to calculate with 1 hour.

    Is it wrong?

    Yes, the answer to first one is 24 km/h.
    The one I wrote is variation of it that shows difference between average speed and average of speeds, so 25 km/h is the correct answer.
    Typical gotcha problems.

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  56. Dmitry says:
    @Frederic Bastiat
    Gigerenzers Work showed that tests, like the above, are strongly format dependent. Change the test format to one to which our cognitive abilities are evolutionary adapted and performance will improve a lot.

    The main problem I have with these tests is, that they are mostly irrelevant, in the same sense as university education is mostly irrelevant to work place performance, since most skills are *learned* when they are needed and kept in strength as long as they are needed. University and schools degrees are at best a kind of signaling of discipline, obedience and the like.

    What is more relevant than IQ imho (which has a dissapointing intra-individual validity btw; test the same individual at different times and you get different results, fluctuating up to 20%), is how *fast* an individual can behavioraly adapt to environmental requirements. Put differently, it is more important how fast an individual can learn or change its behavioral repertoire. Some individuals learn faster than others and are therefore more adaptible to and therefore successful in changing environements.

    You can train rats, pigeons and dogs quite surprisingly complex tasks. With the proper symbolic format (like colored buttons) and training you could train a rat to perform simple symbolic algorithms (think of how a turing machine operates). Human behavior is even more adaptable, putting the tests above in the purview of IQ-70 populations - with proper training that is (IQ tests are also subject to training effects btw, i.e. you can train for high IQ test scores).

    What is missing in the intelligence debate is a measure of this second order behavior, or the ability to learn new behaviors.

    Some individuals learn faster than others and are therefore more adaptible to and therefore successful in changing environements.

    This might be supported, by a currently strong correlation between academic ability, and person’s occupational and geographical mobility.

    People with higher academic achievements, are having more mobility on average both between professions, and also geographically movement between different industrial centers.

    But can you disentangle this from a fact that people with higher academic ability, have far greater opportunities and motivations for mobility? Visa requirements for many countries are quite openly based on skill levels.

    On the other hand, workers in some industries are often appearing not so much unable, as simply psychologically motivated not to change and adapt, with an almost cultural resistance to it.

    In discussions on this topic, it is usually referred to Margaret Thatcher, who has famously and unsuccessfully tried to break the laziness and immobility of British workers, that refused to adapt to the decline of their coal industry by changing profession.

    There is a depressing sense of “premature aging” in such cultures, professions and social strata, where people become very rigid against learning new topics after a certain age – and this rigidity surely being less a product of inability, than lack of willpower.

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  57. @iffen
    The proles require leadership and noblesse oblige.

    But they have to "like" you to follow you and that leaves out about 99.9% of would be elite leaders.

    If he uses a kitten for an avatar 99% of people will click “like.”

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    Kittens are popular. Hello Kitty will probably bump it up to 100%.

    Peace.
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  58. Rosie says:
    @Dan Bagrov
    It really is shocking to talk to a person with an IQ under 110. I don’t do it all that often, at least beyond small talk, but it’s always jarring when I get beyond pleasantries and realize that this person really, truly doesn’t understand the concept of “the state” or have a clue about geography or whatever thing I foolishly reference.

    My problem is that I’m often among the dumbest in the room, day to day, so it’s easy to forget that I’m actually smarter than most randomly selected people, and care about more than visual entertainment. Over the years I’ve learned to just shut up and not steer the conversation into “intense” areas. It’s exhausting and a big reason why I gravitate toward the internet. I’m not really all that smart but it’s hard to find a worthwhile conversation with a peer (especially one who won’t crimestop) offline. Thank God for venues like this one!

    It really is shocking to talk to a person with an IQ under 110.

    And just think, some people say such people should have a free hand to rule over their wives and children as they see fit.

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    @Dan Bagrov

    It really is shocking to talk to a person with an IQ under 110.

     

    And just think, some people say such people should have a free hand to rule over their wives and children as they see fit.
     
    Rosie,

    You are confusing intelligence with being a wise and/or a good person. There are many intelligent people who are neither wise, nor good.
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  59. @AaronB
    Don't troll me Anatoly - you must admit one of the most ridiculous things about HBD is how it purports to notice and celebrate a rich diversity in all human traits....except for competitive desire.

    That is supposed to be utterly invariant and constant across race, ethnic group, culture, history, environment, recent national humiliation, and time.

    This assumption is necessary to make competitive endeavors meaningful - if one group simply isn't competing as hard, kind of makes it less fun :)

    When you play sports, it feels really shitty when the other team just doesn't give it their best effort - really spoils the fun. We were all there, as kids.

    So believe me I get it. But it won't stop me poking fun at you silly kids :)

    Executive function likely has a genetic component and this affects economic performance as well. I don’t think this is about competition as much as it is about awareness; it may be that population A just “doesn’t care” as much about solving infrastructural problems as opposed to population B.

    But population A’s lack of caring will mean that their infrastructural problems will mount and cause real consequence, e.g. fewer roads, lack of electrical coverage, blackouts, contamination of water, and so on.

    Lack of caring for the consequence does not mean that the consequences will not materialize. Its not necessary to have a moral opinion on this to observe the effects of such.

    Incidentally, since I believe that increased smartphone use harms executive function(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563216304915) and there’s some research to support this, this probably means that we’ll see more harm across-the-board.

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    it may be that population A just “doesn’t care” as much about solving infrastructural problems as opposed to population B.
     
    And thank God.

    A country like Thailand for instance has excellent roads - easily as good as what's found in America. And its airports, subway system, and elevated rail are miles ahead of what's available in NYC.

    But their IQ is certainly lower than America's and they don't have any high technology companies. A company that functions like Amazon reflects a society with a particular "priority profile". Its ludicrous to suggest the creation of a company like Amazon is primarily - or even largely - a product of IQ. I think you specifically know what I'm talking about.

    Each country has a unique "profile" of priorities, abilities, and "desire structures" that determine its real world "quiddity".

    I think a fruitful area of inquiry would be investigating the "desire structure" of different societies - I think that would be at least as revealing about outcomes as IQ and other tests of ability.

    Of course this would be more like anthropology than hard science, but it would be very revealing about the structure of the world.

    Unfortunately, tests of pure ability are conceptually impossible.

    But I think tests are peculiarly susceptible to be misleading because they are so abstract and detached from real world concerns.

    What they are good for are constructing elaborate imaginal "dominance hierarchies".
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  60. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    If he uses a kitten for an avatar 99% of people will click "like."

    Kittens are popular. Hello Kitty will probably bump it up to 100%.

    Peace.

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  61. Dmitry says:
    @utu
    The sample problems of Level 1 to 6 are cluttered with noise of useless informations that is culturally and economic development dependent.

    Why do we need to know that Helen has a speedometer? 20-30 years ago speedometers showing averages speed were not common. If you had a speedometer it was mechanical showing instantaneous speed only. To get the average speed you need time keeping. But anyway the fact that Helen has a speedometer is irrelevant to the problem.

    All problems are quantitative requiring mathematical operation (except for Level 1) and some idea how things work.

    If you reformulated the problems nad asked questions differently the score would be much higher.

    Level 1: For which months the black bar is taller than grey bar? Some kids were not exposed to graphs and haven't learn how to read them.

    Level 2: What is larger/smaller/equal 4/10 or 2/5? The question is about the definition of the average speed. Give that definition first.

    Level 3: Which number in the lowest row is the largest? WhoTF needs to now what is engine capacity. The term "engine capacity" is not common. How does it sound Swahili?

    Level 4: How many kids in Uruguay saw a revolving door? Most people will have problem visualizing the problem and realizing that 6 people per rotation can pass the door. BTW, African Americans are familiar with revolving (one way only) doors as they are commonly used in prison.

    And so on. Solving the problem like these is to be conditioned by a lot of practice where you are exposed to problems like these. In Mt. Fuji problem you must realize that you must calculate the total time which is the sum of two times: going up and going down. In Helen Level 6 you need to know what is the average speed and that it is not the same as the average of speeds.

    It is all matter of preparation for the test which teaches how to convert stories that you do not have interest in (WGTF about Helen?) to mathematical abstractions. To do it you have to be acculturated to the high level of motivation to score high that you care about scoring the test more than pondering WTF it is all about and who needs it.

    Now the bigger issue. Do PISA tests tell us something? PISA tests scores are classical chicken-egg problem. Why do countries on the make like Eastern Europe often have high PISA scores? Why do they care? Russia is doing exceptionally well in them. But Russia also has impressive military parades on the Victory Day. Russia is known for Potemkin villages. But are Potemkin villages bad? Now, pretense is good because it shows what are important values. Like in case of hypocrisy: "hypocrisy is a tribute vice pays to virtue." While building a Potemkin village a Russian muzhik gets some idea how a nice village suppose to look. When preparing tanks for the V-day parade the mechanics will put more effort to a make sure that the equipment does not breaks down and perhaps it will extend to normal operations. When cramming for PISA test kids actually learn something. And when they get high scores their confidence level goes up.

    cluttered with noise of useless informations that is culturally and economic development dependent.

    If you download the full test (especially older ones) you’ll see most questions are more confusingly written than these samples, and at the same time not testing abilities (if they could be written in a clear way).

    Difficulty of the exam for the children, is in decoding what the questions are trying to say.

    We could see it as a useful test of whether children can filter out unnecessary information, and discern the intentions of the transnational question designer the OECD has hired. Perhaps this is a skill in itself.

    Question format could be useful for preparing children for how their future exams, in areas like mechanics, can be formatted (with narrative and diagrams).

    But at the same time, a more imaginatively talented child, might prefer to dream about this picture of Mount Fuji, instead of the boring counting game beneath it. I would not blame them.

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    We could see it as a useful test of whether children can filter out unnecessary information, and discern the intentions of the transnational question designer the OECD has hired. Perhaps this is a skill in itself.
     
    Yes, it is a skill. Anything can be a skill. In some cultures this skill is not valued. This skill measures acculturations to culture that is foreign and often considered hostile so the skill may not only be not valued but also will be resisted. The ones excelling in it will be seen as sell outs and traitors. The Uncle Toms. Culture is a bitch. It is a very complex system. That's why the IQ story is so appealing to simple minds because it allows the simpletons to ignore what they don't have an aptitude for.
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  62. utu says:

    “the chip designer in the O-Ring sector can always become a waiter in the Foolproof sector – thereby pushing up wages in the latter far beyond what they would otherwise be in a society with no substantial O-Ring sector”

    “According to Kremer/Jones, it is the relative strength of the O-Ring sector in the developed world which explains why a hairdresser earns five times as much in Belgium as in Brazil”

    This theory is not even wrong. Can IQ explain why this nonsensical theory was created and is promoted by some? Or is it that IQ is not a foolproof protection against stupidity particularly when driven by ideology.

    I remember paying for my simple haircuts 50CHF in Switzerland while in the US they are still on the level of $10-15 at, say, at SuperCuts. Anybody knowns economic forces that are responsible for the difference between the US and Switzerland and IQ is not one of them.

    I think humanity would be better off if Kremer, Jones and Karlin because hair dressers and left the economics to people which gay

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    $50 for a buzzcut in Switzerland? Was that at some five star hotel on Lake Geneva? I can't believe it. I think the Swiss would cut their own hair, at that rate, putting the barbers out of work.

    Never been to Switzerland, but I remember paying like 50 cents for an ice cream cone in Germany circa 2000. It was small, but you couldn't get something like that in the US.
    , @utu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F2SJS6B1wQ
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  63. songbird says:

    It is really staggering to think that in so many countries <1% can get #6 right. You would think that some would at least try it and get it right accidentally. That is to say, in a way that they could not reproduce, or without understanding the problem intuitively but just by doing some simple math.

    I wonder what the percentage of blank answers would be in each country.

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    It is indeed staggering, but I don't think the implications are as dire as might appear at first blush. Yes, stupid people vote, but they usually vote with the guidance of some respected authority figure, like a pastor or union leader. Of course, these authority figures are corrupt now, but the point is that elites have a great deal of influence over voters even in a popular democracy with universal suffrage,
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  64. Rosie says:
    @songbird
    It is really staggering to think that in so many countries <1% can get #6 right. You would think that some would at least try it and get it right accidentally. That is to say, in a way that they could not reproduce, or without understanding the problem intuitively but just by doing some simple math.

    I wonder what the percentage of blank answers would be in each country.

    It is indeed staggering, but I don’t think the implications are as dire as might appear at first blush. Yes, stupid people vote, but they usually vote with the guidance of some respected authority figure, like a pastor or union leader. Of course, these authority figures are corrupt now, but the point is that elites have a great deal of influence over voters even in a popular democracy with universal suffrage,

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    Influence indeed, Robert Michels, the sociologist who devised the Iron Law of Oligarchy
    a political theory, first developed by the German sociologist Robert Michels in his 1911 book, Political Parties.

    "Who says organization, says oligarchy." "Historical evolution mocks all the prophylactic measures that have been adopted for the prevention of oligarchy."
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  65. @szopen
    This was already measured and the results were recently IIRC posted on unz.com somewhere. In short, you are wrong.

    On both issues, BTW. You can train IQ tests, but after training the value of the results fall (you can express taht idea in either saying g-loading will fall, or that the skills are not trasnferable to another task).

    I’d like to see that data (and if it’s self-reported, well, I’d probably lie about taking these tests seriously, too). Epigon is right. The vast majority of kids taking tests that don’t affect their grades put zero effort into the test. I didn’t. I got abysmal scores on PISA-type tests.

    /98th percentile GRE (a test I very much cared about)

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    Not true for me. I try to do well on any test I take.

    Also, schools in Asia have the same populations of undermotivated students. If effort is a factor in these tests, then either we can apply the same discount to all countries, or it accurately reflects that some populations have more high performance individuals who are driven to succeed.

    99th percentile GRE
    99th percentile GMAT
    99th percentile LSAT
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  66. songbird says:
    @utu

    "the chip designer in the O-Ring sector can always become a waiter in the Foolproof sector – thereby pushing up wages in the latter far beyond what they would otherwise be in a society with no substantial O-Ring sector"

    "According to Kremer/Jones, it is the relative strength of the O-Ring sector in the developed world which explains why a hairdresser earns five times as much in Belgium as in Brazil"
     
    This theory is not even wrong. Can IQ explain why this nonsensical theory was created and is promoted by some? Or is it that IQ is not a foolproof protection against stupidity particularly when driven by ideology.

    I remember paying for my simple haircuts 50CHF in Switzerland while in the US they are still on the level of $10-15 at, say, at SuperCuts. Anybody knowns economic forces that are responsible for the difference between the US and Switzerland and IQ is not one of them.



    I think humanity would be better off if Kremer, Jones and Karlin because hair dressers and left the economics to people which gay

    $50 for a buzzcut in Switzerland? Was that at some five star hotel on Lake Geneva? I can’t believe it. I think the Swiss would cut their own hair, at that rate, putting the barbers out of work.

    Never been to Switzerland, but I remember paying like 50 cents for an ice cream cone in Germany circa 2000. It was small, but you couldn’t get something like that in the US.

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    Regular haircuts in regular places about 50CHF and no tip necessary. They take more time (30-40min) though than in ShortCuts. In one case a was given a haircut by a hang-over women (Valerie iirc) in Geneva which she royally screws up partly because of communication problems. I do not think anybody would let he work in ShortCuts in the US in that state.
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  67. Dmitry says:

    And many do appreciate that national wealth depends largely on a population’s intelligence, especially of its “smart fractions”

    It’s not quite true – although it satisfies peoples’ “just world hypothesis” instincts.

    To falsify the hypothesis, just see the contradiction in writing: the intellectual genius of a wealthy people like the Qataris, or the stupidity of a poor nationality like the Chinese.

    In per capita terms, China is as poor and unsuccessful, as Thailand, Algeria and Brazil. And yet, their reported average academic test scores are higher than those of many wealthy countries.

    In the future, such a correlation should become stronger, as a result of the digital revolution making intelligence relevant to a larger proportion of the future economy. But even today, there many other factors, often less related to inherent qualities of the people, than to arbitrary things like geography, involved in economic success.

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    In per capita terms, China is as poor and unsuccessful, as Thailand, Algeria and Brazil. And yet, their reported average academic test scores are higher than those of many wealthy countries.
     
    If you look at the results in all the Olympiad competitions over the summer ( mathematics, Physics, Biology, Chemistry and so on)......then Russia did very , very , very well, (Ukraine did shit, of course). As for the Americans , ALL the winning contestants for their teams were either Chinese or Indian named. Particularly Chinese ( I'm sure not Japanese or Korean, but Chinese)

    Now, Indians are very clever in general but this dominance of Asians, I think is mainly down to "lock them in the room all day" driven parents. Numerous people in the west have experience of Orientals of average intelligence obtain high academic results.
    Russians who take part and do well in these events tend to be more strong-minded, independent-thinking people or "free spirits" ( let down by 1 POS who turns out to have been a Navalny hamster)

    Western Universities may now have become more plentiful with Chinese professors/lecturers but I think this is more driven by economics and availability, particularly with the so-called "lesser universities" now becoming more prestigious as more qualified people go to live in the UK and US

    In engineering the Chinese guys can understand and implement ad nauseum the mathematics behind the computer based methods in construction ( very simple but extensive and dull) , but could they come up with and have a firm grip on the classical "elastic" theory that underpins this and was the basis of engineering from the enlightenment period onwards?

    Or could they come up with and be comfortable with the more part empirical/part-theory ideas that are the bases for soil engineering.......I heavily doubt it in both cases.
    This is where the real fundamental understanding of engineering comes from....plus most of the creativity and intelligent thinking

    Incidentally, I think the most large example of racism is not towards blacks or jews.........but from aficionados of classical music towards Chinese/Japanese/Korean pianists and Musicians
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  68. @Epigon
    24 km/h.
    The “trickier” (8th primary school/1st high school class physics) question would be: You drove from point A to point B.
    Half the time you drove 20 km/h, the other half 30 km/h. Your average speed was?

    Half the time you drove 20 km/h, the other half 30 km/h. Your average speed was?

    That’s far easier than the other one, every one will get that right without thinking.

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  69. AB says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Robin Hanson once wrote a blog post about how reasonably intelligent people (for instance, the sort of people who read his blog) tend to overestimate how smart everyone else is.
     
    I for one never make this mistake! For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia, because most people are too dumb and too lazy to figure out how to use VPN.

    In my observation people who overstimate intelligence in others are themselves somewhat limited in their mental capacity - think of a typical college-educated Western liberal, who is reasonably "smart", and thinks that African immigrants are smart people just like him.

    It takes a special kind of intelligence to see limitations in others, and some people are even smart enough to aknowledge their own limitations.


    Because in Brazil, only a tiny fraction of high school students can do anything much more complex than a simple, single-step arithmetic operation.
     
    That's an interesting finding and a bit unexpected, because Brazil has a substantial white population, who enjoy access to superior schooling. This massive gap in performance cannot be explained solely by race.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more "diverse"? I questioned America's ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more “diverse”? I questioned America’s ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.

    We are getting dumber as a country. It’s not just the huge influx of immigrants from lower IQ black and brown countries, the increasing inter-marriage rate between whites and blacks/browns, but also a failing education system. Our schools care more about indoctrination than actual education these days. Elementary math is often taught by teachers who flunked algebra in high school. By the time most kids get to middle school, they’ve fallen too far behind.

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  70. utu says:
    @songbird
    $50 for a buzzcut in Switzerland? Was that at some five star hotel on Lake Geneva? I can't believe it. I think the Swiss would cut their own hair, at that rate, putting the barbers out of work.

    Never been to Switzerland, but I remember paying like 50 cents for an ice cream cone in Germany circa 2000. It was small, but you couldn't get something like that in the US.

    Regular haircuts in regular places about 50CHF and no tip necessary. They take more time (30-40min) though than in ShortCuts. In one case a was given a haircut by a hang-over women (Valerie iirc) in Geneva which she royally screws up partly because of communication problems. I do not think anybody would let he work in ShortCuts in the US in that state.

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    I always liked Bern more than Geneva.
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  71. Anonymous[441] • Disclaimer says:

    Ironically the commenters pointing up the large differences in motivation and test-taking attitudes *between* ethnic cohorts are really just reinforcing the usual stereotypes, e.g. high time-preference and high external locus-of-control and high cognitive-miserliness and low frustration-tolerance, apathy, lackadaisicalness, the inverse-ganbarism, with all the attendant empirical IQ-correlation implications. *Within* ethnic cohorts, this is exactly expected across the IQ distribution with good-but-not-perfect correlation. IOW the thinking goes, “the average test-taking motivation of some groups is much lower, but please, please, do not reflect on this any further, there is nothing to see here!” … except that one requires active crimestopping to prevent oneself noticing the expected group achievement gaps at the ethnic-and/or-national level, which just so happen to correlate to the measured and inferred average IQ. Yes, indeed, indolence is a major handicap, and yes, indeed, dems are the real raycisss.

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  72. utu says:
    @utu

    "the chip designer in the O-Ring sector can always become a waiter in the Foolproof sector – thereby pushing up wages in the latter far beyond what they would otherwise be in a society with no substantial O-Ring sector"

    "According to Kremer/Jones, it is the relative strength of the O-Ring sector in the developed world which explains why a hairdresser earns five times as much in Belgium as in Brazil"
     
    This theory is not even wrong. Can IQ explain why this nonsensical theory was created and is promoted by some? Or is it that IQ is not a foolproof protection against stupidity particularly when driven by ideology.

    I remember paying for my simple haircuts 50CHF in Switzerland while in the US they are still on the level of $10-15 at, say, at SuperCuts. Anybody knowns economic forces that are responsible for the difference between the US and Switzerland and IQ is not one of them.



    I think humanity would be better off if Kremer, Jones and Karlin because hair dressers and left the economics to people which gay

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  73. AB says:

    Of course average intelligence matters. The new knowledge economy will only separate the top countries from the bottom countries even further. The only countries in the world that can succeed in this knowledge economy are Western countries and Northeast Asian countries. All the black and brown countries will only fall further behind.

    But Western countries are at a precarious position. We are engineering our own downfall through stupid policies like open borders and a welfare scheme that rewards high birthrate among the lowest IQ groups. Never mind our 15 year olds, what % of our lawmakers can get passed Level 1? I’ll bet 99% of the black congressmen/women can’t even get passed Level 1, yet Maxine Waters could very well chair the next Finance committee.

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  74. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Executive function likely has a genetic component and this affects economic performance as well. I don't think this is about competition as much as it is about awareness; it may be that population A just "doesn't care" as much about solving infrastructural problems as opposed to population B.

    But population A's lack of caring will mean that their infrastructural problems will mount and cause real consequence, e.g. fewer roads, lack of electrical coverage, blackouts, contamination of water, and so on.

    Lack of caring for the consequence does not mean that the consequences will not materialize. Its not necessary to have a moral opinion on this to observe the effects of such.

    Incidentally, since I believe that increased smartphone use harms executive function(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563216304915) and there's some research to support this, this probably means that we'll see more harm across-the-board.

    it may be that population A just “doesn’t care” as much about solving infrastructural problems as opposed to population B.

    And thank God.

    A country like Thailand for instance has excellent roads – easily as good as what’s found in America. And its airports, subway system, and elevated rail are miles ahead of what’s available in NYC.

    But their IQ is certainly lower than America’s and they don’t have any high technology companies. A company that functions like Amazon reflects a society with a particular “priority profile”. Its ludicrous to suggest the creation of a company like Amazon is primarily – or even largely – a product of IQ. I think you specifically know what I’m talking about.

    Each country has a unique “profile” of priorities, abilities, and “desire structures” that determine its real world “quiddity”.

    I think a fruitful area of inquiry would be investigating the “desire structure” of different societies – I think that would be at least as revealing about outcomes as IQ and other tests of ability.

    Of course this would be more like anthropology than hard science, but it would be very revealing about the structure of the world.

    Unfortunately, tests of pure ability are conceptually impossible.

    But I think tests are peculiarly susceptible to be misleading because they are so abstract and detached from real world concerns.

    What they are good for are constructing elaborate imaginal “dominance hierarchies”.

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    A country like Thailand for instance has excellent roads – easily as good as what’s found in America. And its airports, subway system, and elevated rail are miles ahead of what’s available in NYC.
     
    Surely you know of the overwhelming financing by China and engineering by China there.

    A company that functions like Amazon reflects a society with a particular “priority profile”. Its ludicrous to suggest the creation of a company like Amazon is primarily – or even largely – a product of IQ. I think you specifically know what I’m talking about.
     
    Hard to say that Amazon wasn't the result of a combination of high aptitude people. Technology is really, really hard to get right, and Amazon is a pretty impressive feat of delivery and execution. It can be pretty evil, but its intelligent evil.

    I spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley. Its a lot of smart people there - many of them are quite insane and its very cultish and strange at times, but its not lacking for intelligent, self-motivated people who would be bored to death by the idea of idleness.
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  75. @utu
    Regular haircuts in regular places about 50CHF and no tip necessary. They take more time (30-40min) though than in ShortCuts. In one case a was given a haircut by a hang-over women (Valerie iirc) in Geneva which she royally screws up partly because of communication problems. I do not think anybody would let he work in ShortCuts in the US in that state.

    I always liked Bern more than Geneva.

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    Geneva voted for accession to EU and Bern against it in 1992.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_referendums,_1992
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  76. @for-the-record
    some people are even smart enough to a(c)knowledge their own limitations.

    By this standard I must be very intelligent.

    A good man always knows his limitations.

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  77. @AaronB

    it may be that population A just “doesn’t care” as much about solving infrastructural problems as opposed to population B.
     
    And thank God.

    A country like Thailand for instance has excellent roads - easily as good as what's found in America. And its airports, subway system, and elevated rail are miles ahead of what's available in NYC.

    But their IQ is certainly lower than America's and they don't have any high technology companies. A company that functions like Amazon reflects a society with a particular "priority profile". Its ludicrous to suggest the creation of a company like Amazon is primarily - or even largely - a product of IQ. I think you specifically know what I'm talking about.

    Each country has a unique "profile" of priorities, abilities, and "desire structures" that determine its real world "quiddity".

    I think a fruitful area of inquiry would be investigating the "desire structure" of different societies - I think that would be at least as revealing about outcomes as IQ and other tests of ability.

    Of course this would be more like anthropology than hard science, but it would be very revealing about the structure of the world.

    Unfortunately, tests of pure ability are conceptually impossible.

    But I think tests are peculiarly susceptible to be misleading because they are so abstract and detached from real world concerns.

    What they are good for are constructing elaborate imaginal "dominance hierarchies".

    A country like Thailand for instance has excellent roads – easily as good as what’s found in America. And its airports, subway system, and elevated rail are miles ahead of what’s available in NYC.

    Surely you know of the overwhelming financing by China and engineering by China there.

    A company that functions like Amazon reflects a society with a particular “priority profile”. Its ludicrous to suggest the creation of a company like Amazon is primarily – or even largely – a product of IQ. I think you specifically know what I’m talking about.

    Hard to say that Amazon wasn’t the result of a combination of high aptitude people. Technology is really, really hard to get right, and Amazon is a pretty impressive feat of delivery and execution. It can be pretty evil, but its intelligent evil.

    I spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley. Its a lot of smart people there – many of them are quite insane and its very cultish and strange at times, but its not lacking for intelligent, self-motivated people who would be bored to death by the idea of idleness.

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    Thai infrastructure was good in the 90s - the train system is I think German. I was using it as an example of priorities.

    I am positive that Bangkok has right now people just as smart as the creators of Amazon. I'm also positive Poland has many such people.

    What is lacking is the philosophical conviction that spending stupendous amounts of effort and energy to construct a vast highly organized system eating up the life energy of thousands of high aptitude people for the purpose of shortening delivery times by a few days is the best use of our limited time on this green earth.

    And the reason that's lacking in those countries, is that life is immensely more satisfying there, and people grow up far less mentally damaged.

    Have you read Steve Jobs daughters biography of her father?

    Any county that wants to boost creativity should study it in depth - learn how to create mentally damaged people like Jobs, its the secret to Western style creativity.

    I vote for idleness :)
    , @AaronB
    https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Idle-Loafers-Manifesto/dp/0060779691?crid=3PA3YPJD95KIK&keywords=tom+hodgkinson&qid=1536089206&sprefix=Tom+hodg&sr=8-1&ref=mp_s_a_1_1

    A deeply relevant book that everyone on this blog should be reading. The antidote for our times.

    Presented as a lighthearted romp, its actually a deeply religious text that reacquaints us with ancient wisdom that has been lost in the West since 1600.
    , @AB

    I spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley. Its a lot of smart people there – many of them are quite insane and its very cultish and strange at times, but its not lacking for intelligent, self-motivated people who would be bored to death by the idea of idleness.
     
    Intelligence without morality is the most dangerous thing on earth. It could do far more damage than those who are morally corrupt but lack intelligence. SV is now run by intelligent people who are morally bankrupt, the same people who ran Wall Street, K Street, Washington DC, Hollywood, the media, academia, and our legal system into the ground.
    , @Jeff Stryker
    The downside to this are Chinese imports putting locals out of a business...Yin and Yang with there.
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  78. utu says:
    @Dmitry

    cluttered with noise of useless informations that is culturally and economic development dependent.
     
    If you download the full test (especially older ones) you'll see most questions are more confusingly written than these samples, and at the same time not testing abilities (if they could be written in a clear way).

    Difficulty of the exam for the children, is in decoding what the questions are trying to say.

    We could see it as a useful test of whether children can filter out unnecessary information, and discern the intentions of the transnational question designer the OECD has hired. Perhaps this is a skill in itself.

    Question format could be useful for preparing children for how their future exams, in areas like mechanics, can be formatted (with narrative and diagrams).

    But at the same time, a more imaginatively talented child, might prefer to dream about this picture of Mount Fuji, instead of the boring counting game beneath it. I would not blame them.

    We could see it as a useful test of whether children can filter out unnecessary information, and discern the intentions of the transnational question designer the OECD has hired. Perhaps this is a skill in itself.

    Yes, it is a skill. Anything can be a skill. In some cultures this skill is not valued. This skill measures acculturations to culture that is foreign and often considered hostile so the skill may not only be not valued but also will be resisted. The ones excelling in it will be seen as sell outs and traitors. The Uncle Toms. Culture is a bitch. It is a very complex system. That’s why the IQ story is so appealing to simple minds because it allows the simpletons to ignore what they don’t have an aptitude for.

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    Well questions testing to see if kids can count numbers and multiply. Almost all healthy (not-disabled) people can do this. Questions are too far easy for this age group (15-16 year olds).

    The difficulty is in distractions, irrelevant pictures, and unclear words.

    For example, "Level 4" question is asking them to multiply 3 numbers. Children can usually do this at age 10. It is a question at an 10 year old difficulty level.

    What is the reason for including a picture of a door - why not just ask them to multiply the three numbers? (The only advantage of adding the door picture, is to confused people from countries where these doors do not exist - it's a test of whether your country has this door type, not of multiplication).

    -

    A good exam for this age, would write the questions as clearly as possible, without any culturally dependent distractions.

    If they had actually a topic suitable for 15 year olds, like solving quadratic equation by factorization - they can write the questions normally, but test the children more by choosing larger and more awkward numbers.

    The transnational comparison could still be possible, by keeping simple topics which will be covered in syllabuses of schools in different countries, while making more difficult questions within those same topics.

    There's no reason African children should be culturally resistant to e.g. quadratic equation. It's a universal topic, which 15 year olds around the world are studying.

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  79. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    A country like Thailand for instance has excellent roads – easily as good as what’s found in America. And its airports, subway system, and elevated rail are miles ahead of what’s available in NYC.
     
    Surely you know of the overwhelming financing by China and engineering by China there.

    A company that functions like Amazon reflects a society with a particular “priority profile”. Its ludicrous to suggest the creation of a company like Amazon is primarily – or even largely – a product of IQ. I think you specifically know what I’m talking about.
     
    Hard to say that Amazon wasn't the result of a combination of high aptitude people. Technology is really, really hard to get right, and Amazon is a pretty impressive feat of delivery and execution. It can be pretty evil, but its intelligent evil.

    I spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley. Its a lot of smart people there - many of them are quite insane and its very cultish and strange at times, but its not lacking for intelligent, self-motivated people who would be bored to death by the idea of idleness.

    Thai infrastructure was good in the 90s – the train system is I think German. I was using it as an example of priorities.

    I am positive that Bangkok has right now people just as smart as the creators of Amazon. I’m also positive Poland has many such people.

    What is lacking is the philosophical conviction that spending stupendous amounts of effort and energy to construct a vast highly organized system eating up the life energy of thousands of high aptitude people for the purpose of shortening delivery times by a few days is the best use of our limited time on this green earth.

    And the reason that’s lacking in those countries, is that life is immensely more satisfying there, and people grow up far less mentally damaged.

    Have you read Steve Jobs daughters biography of her father?

    Any county that wants to boost creativity should study it in depth – learn how to create mentally damaged people like Jobs, its the secret to Western style creativity.

    I vote for idleness :)

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    What is lacking is the philosophical conviction that spending stupendous amounts of effort and energy to construct a vast highly organized system eating up the life energy of thousands of high aptitude people for the purpose of shortening delivery times by a few days is the best use of our limited time on this green earth.
     

    This is why they are working on life extension. Besides, aren't you a kind of a Buddhist? They'll just reincarnate as a sloth or an oak to idle their days away then.

    I think that you fail to acknowledge that for a lot of tech people, the work is genuinely fun. Why does Karlin, for example, play video games? Video games are a form of work, they force you to obey rules and challenges, and yet some of the most popular ones repeatedly hurt their players. A lot of people like effort, even are addicted to it.

    , @utu
    Good that you brought up Jobs. Daniel Chieh earlier stated that the issue you guys are discussing has no moral dimension but Jobs is clearly an example of deeply immoral person. Look at the story how he ripped Wozniak off when they were still very young. Wozniak learned about it many many years later when he read it in the book about Atari and Jobs.

    Steve Wozniak: I Cried When Steve Jobs Kept Atari Bonus to Himself
    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/steve-wozniak-cried-jobs-kept-atari-bonus-267711

    It was not about keeping the bonus but about the deception. It is not about money what people who are all about money do not get including the people who wrote that article.

    , @AB
    Much of Thailand remains a poverty stricken shithole. But of course it's all relative. Compared to even bigger shitholes like Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, it's probably tolerable. But compared to Singapore, it's a shithole, with scammers crawling everywhere.
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  80. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I always liked Bern more than Geneva.

    Geneva voted for accession to EU and Bern against it in 1992.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_referendums,_1992

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  81. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    A country like Thailand for instance has excellent roads – easily as good as what’s found in America. And its airports, subway system, and elevated rail are miles ahead of what’s available in NYC.
     
    Surely you know of the overwhelming financing by China and engineering by China there.

    A company that functions like Amazon reflects a society with a particular “priority profile”. Its ludicrous to suggest the creation of a company like Amazon is primarily – or even largely – a product of IQ. I think you specifically know what I’m talking about.
     
    Hard to say that Amazon wasn't the result of a combination of high aptitude people. Technology is really, really hard to get right, and Amazon is a pretty impressive feat of delivery and execution. It can be pretty evil, but its intelligent evil.

    I spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley. Its a lot of smart people there - many of them are quite insane and its very cultish and strange at times, but its not lacking for intelligent, self-motivated people who would be bored to death by the idea of idleness.

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Idle-Loafers-Manifesto/dp/0060779691?crid=3PA3YPJD95KIK&keywords=tom+hodgkinson&qid=1536089206&sprefix=Tom+hodg&sr=8-1&ref=mp_s_a_1_1

    A deeply relevant book that everyone on this blog should be reading. The antidote for our times.

    Presented as a lighthearted romp, its actually a deeply religious text that reacquaints us with ancient wisdom that has been lost in the West since 1600.

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  82. @AaronB
    Thai infrastructure was good in the 90s - the train system is I think German. I was using it as an example of priorities.

    I am positive that Bangkok has right now people just as smart as the creators of Amazon. I'm also positive Poland has many such people.

    What is lacking is the philosophical conviction that spending stupendous amounts of effort and energy to construct a vast highly organized system eating up the life energy of thousands of high aptitude people for the purpose of shortening delivery times by a few days is the best use of our limited time on this green earth.

    And the reason that's lacking in those countries, is that life is immensely more satisfying there, and people grow up far less mentally damaged.

    Have you read Steve Jobs daughters biography of her father?

    Any county that wants to boost creativity should study it in depth - learn how to create mentally damaged people like Jobs, its the secret to Western style creativity.

    I vote for idleness :)

    What is lacking is the philosophical conviction that spending stupendous amounts of effort and energy to construct a vast highly organized system eating up the life energy of thousands of high aptitude people for the purpose of shortening delivery times by a few days is the best use of our limited time on this green earth.

    This is why they are working on life extension. Besides, aren’t you a kind of a Buddhist? They’ll just reincarnate as a sloth or an oak to idle their days away then.

    I think that you fail to acknowledge that for a lot of tech people, the work is genuinely fun. Why does Karlin, for example, play video games? Video games are a form of work, they force you to obey rules and challenges, and yet some of the most popular ones repeatedly hurt their players. A lot of people like effort, even are addicted to it.

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    I don't deny that for a lot of people striving is necessary to stave off nihilism. So much so that as a society we've advanced technologically where we need to work very little but have increased our workload pointlessly by a ton. We refuse to look at that yawning black chasm right beneath our feet and pour ourselves into "projects,".

    It all began with the Puritans. I'm just saying this is the result of a mental disease.

    All sorts of effort can be good - gardening, walking in nature, philosophy, literature, art, good conversation.
    , @utu
    Mowgli raised by video games has spoken.
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  83. AB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    A country like Thailand for instance has excellent roads – easily as good as what’s found in America. And its airports, subway system, and elevated rail are miles ahead of what’s available in NYC.
     
    Surely you know of the overwhelming financing by China and engineering by China there.

    A company that functions like Amazon reflects a society with a particular “priority profile”. Its ludicrous to suggest the creation of a company like Amazon is primarily – or even largely – a product of IQ. I think you specifically know what I’m talking about.
     
    Hard to say that Amazon wasn't the result of a combination of high aptitude people. Technology is really, really hard to get right, and Amazon is a pretty impressive feat of delivery and execution. It can be pretty evil, but its intelligent evil.

    I spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley. Its a lot of smart people there - many of them are quite insane and its very cultish and strange at times, but its not lacking for intelligent, self-motivated people who would be bored to death by the idea of idleness.

    I spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley. Its a lot of smart people there – many of them are quite insane and its very cultish and strange at times, but its not lacking for intelligent, self-motivated people who would be bored to death by the idea of idleness.

    Intelligence without morality is the most dangerous thing on earth. It could do far more damage than those who are morally corrupt but lack intelligence. SV is now run by intelligent people who are morally bankrupt, the same people who ran Wall Street, K Street, Washington DC, Hollywood, the media, academia, and our legal system into the ground.

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    The "morally corrupt" ones are not who you should fear. Their aims are relatively minor all things considered. They can be bribed or distracted; their evil is one we understand, a beast that we all fight and tame(or not) within ourselves.

    It is the true believers that you should truly be terrified of, because they have found spiritual truth in undoing this wicked world and no price is too great, no mountain too high, and no slaughter too terrible for them to belay delivering utopia upon us.

    SV has many true believers.
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  84. utu says:
    @AaronB
    Thai infrastructure was good in the 90s - the train system is I think German. I was using it as an example of priorities.

    I am positive that Bangkok has right now people just as smart as the creators of Amazon. I'm also positive Poland has many such people.

    What is lacking is the philosophical conviction that spending stupendous amounts of effort and energy to construct a vast highly organized system eating up the life energy of thousands of high aptitude people for the purpose of shortening delivery times by a few days is the best use of our limited time on this green earth.

    And the reason that's lacking in those countries, is that life is immensely more satisfying there, and people grow up far less mentally damaged.

    Have you read Steve Jobs daughters biography of her father?

    Any county that wants to boost creativity should study it in depth - learn how to create mentally damaged people like Jobs, its the secret to Western style creativity.

    I vote for idleness :)

    Good that you brought up Jobs. Daniel Chieh earlier stated that the issue you guys are discussing has no moral dimension but Jobs is clearly an example of deeply immoral person. Look at the story how he ripped Wozniak off when they were still very young. Wozniak learned about it many many years later when he read it in the book about Atari and Jobs.

    Steve Wozniak: I Cried When Steve Jobs Kept Atari Bonus to Himself

    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/steve-wozniak-cried-jobs-kept-atari-bonus-267711

    It was not about keeping the bonus but about the deception. It is not about money what people who are all about money do not get including the people who wrote that article.

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    Good point. Amazon is also highly immoral. Bezos has taken to dressing like a manospherian tough guy lately.
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  85. Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?

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    Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?
     
    One - it's the north pole, isn't it?
    , @Tyrion 2
    The North Pole and lots of places near the South Pole but I can't be bothered to work articulate a full explanation.

    TLDR, position yourself anywhere your 1km walk will take you through the South Pole and onto the line of latitude that is 1km in circumference...or 0.5km or 0.25km etc etc.

    N cancels out S so W needs to cancel itself out.
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  86. AaronB says:
    @utu
    Good that you brought up Jobs. Daniel Chieh earlier stated that the issue you guys are discussing has no moral dimension but Jobs is clearly an example of deeply immoral person. Look at the story how he ripped Wozniak off when they were still very young. Wozniak learned about it many many years later when he read it in the book about Atari and Jobs.

    Steve Wozniak: I Cried When Steve Jobs Kept Atari Bonus to Himself
    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/steve-wozniak-cried-jobs-kept-atari-bonus-267711

    It was not about keeping the bonus but about the deception. It is not about money what people who are all about money do not get including the people who wrote that article.

    Good point. Amazon is also highly immoral. Bezos has taken to dressing like a manospherian tough guy lately.

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    Whereas Google and Facebook are "highly moral" and adventuring in new frontiers of virtue signaling every day while learning how to "opinion engineer" their audience. The simple evil of greed may in fact be the lesser harm.
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  87. Interesting result in the International Physics Olympiad 2018.

    The participants represent the smartest of smart fractions top 0.0001% of the respective countries.

    China and India came joint first with 5 Golds(The maximum possible each)

    In a world increasingly moving towards automation,the IQ of the top 0.5% is what is going to matter assuming the population at large are not a bunch of Cretins.

    A population with genetic IQ of 92+ but with a top 0.5% with IQ 135+ (India) is likely over decades going to outperform countries with IQ of 95+ with a top 0.5% with IQ 120+ (Lat Am,SE Asia,Turkey etc).We can see this playing out even today India’s industrial base Space,Nuclear(Full Civilian fuel cycle+nuclear weapons +nuclear submarines),Auto components etc dwarf anything these countries have despite the fact they are on average 3-5 times richer,do not suffer from horrendous malnourishment rates and have much better social infrastructure and did not spend the majority of their independent years under the asinine License Raj economic system.

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    So, far I would say India's history with nuclear subs is kind of embarrassing, with a hatch left open and flooding in port, of their prototype vessel.

    I don't think that ever would have happened on the USS Nautilus. Although, in the US a nuke sub was effectively destroyed in 2012, by arson from a worker who wanted to leave work early. Though it is incident, I think it represents a real decline, though the worker was white.

    India is an interesting case to think about because of raw numbers. Add in mobility and you could, if the politics allow, have some very smart organizations, perhaps even cities. The question really is how much the politics will allow and what are the natural differential fertility trends in India. Probably not encouraging. Still, I think it will quite likely outperform Turkey in the longterm.
    , @Anonymous
    India has an IQ of 82 not 92 lol. That is a huge difference as much of India is dumber than Africans. To many Dravidians who look like Aboriginals and have the IQ to match.

    Your point is wrong anyway. In the future it is more important to have a high floor than a high ceiling precisely because of automation.

    India will never overcome its low IQ fraction because it makes up the majority of the populous. So no matter how smart its 0.0001% are, those IQ points will likely go towards helping the West and not India.

    If you are a moderate IQ country with few low IQ people like Indians, you don't really need geniuses. You can just follow the economies and ideas of smarter people and nations and be good.

    This is what Chile is like and it is a much better country to live in that India.
    , @Tyrion 2

    Interesting result in the International Physics Olympiad 2018.

    The participants represent the smartest of smart fractions top 0.0001% of the respective countries.
     
    No, they don't. That is 1 out of a million. It seems that India and China are engaged in an educational cargo cult. "We gets pointless medals, we gets economic development".

    Having had the privilege to meet a number of British people who could potentially lay claim to such a rare title as top student in their national school year, I can assure you that none of them would bother with anything so silly.

    Those types of awards have zero prestige over here. At least in the types of private schools that not only suck in most of the smartest people's children but also, through full scholarships, take in the very brightest from the rest.
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  88. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    What is lacking is the philosophical conviction that spending stupendous amounts of effort and energy to construct a vast highly organized system eating up the life energy of thousands of high aptitude people for the purpose of shortening delivery times by a few days is the best use of our limited time on this green earth.
     

    This is why they are working on life extension. Besides, aren't you a kind of a Buddhist? They'll just reincarnate as a sloth or an oak to idle their days away then.

    I think that you fail to acknowledge that for a lot of tech people, the work is genuinely fun. Why does Karlin, for example, play video games? Video games are a form of work, they force you to obey rules and challenges, and yet some of the most popular ones repeatedly hurt their players. A lot of people like effort, even are addicted to it.

    I don’t deny that for a lot of people striving is necessary to stave off nihilism. So much so that as a society we’ve advanced technologically where we need to work very little but have increased our workload pointlessly by a ton. We refuse to look at that yawning black chasm right beneath our feet and pour ourselves into “projects,”.

    It all began with the Puritans. I’m just saying this is the result of a mental disease.

    All sorts of effort can be good – gardening, walking in nature, philosophy, literature, art, good conversation.

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  89. @AaronB
    Good point. Amazon is also highly immoral. Bezos has taken to dressing like a manospherian tough guy lately.

    Whereas Google and Facebook are “highly moral” and adventuring in new frontiers of virtue signaling every day while learning how to “opinion engineer” their audience. The simple evil of greed may in fact be the lesser harm.

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    Oh, don't get me started on Google and Facebook. Definitely just as evil. You're right on that one.

    It's all rotten. And pointless.
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  90. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Whereas Google and Facebook are "highly moral" and adventuring in new frontiers of virtue signaling every day while learning how to "opinion engineer" their audience. The simple evil of greed may in fact be the lesser harm.

    Oh, don’t get me started on Google and Facebook. Definitely just as evil. You’re right on that one.

    It’s all rotten. And pointless.

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  91. @AB

    I spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley. Its a lot of smart people there – many of them are quite insane and its very cultish and strange at times, but its not lacking for intelligent, self-motivated people who would be bored to death by the idea of idleness.
     
    Intelligence without morality is the most dangerous thing on earth. It could do far more damage than those who are morally corrupt but lack intelligence. SV is now run by intelligent people who are morally bankrupt, the same people who ran Wall Street, K Street, Washington DC, Hollywood, the media, academia, and our legal system into the ground.

    The “morally corrupt” ones are not who you should fear. Their aims are relatively minor all things considered. They can be bribed or distracted; their evil is one we understand, a beast that we all fight and tame(or not) within ourselves.

    It is the true believers that you should truly be terrified of, because they have found spiritual truth in undoing this wicked world and no price is too great, no mountain too high, and no slaughter too terrible for them to belay delivering utopia upon us.

    SV has many true believers.

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    The problem with the True Believers is that they believe in "doing" - thus they become like the Evil Ones in their pursuit of refashioning the world. We become what we fight - we must. There is a reason the alt-right is busy studying and implementing all the strategies if the Left.

    If they just understood that everything is OK, they'd relax, and be merrier.
    , @AB
    Being a true believer and being morally bankrupt are not mutually exclusive, it depends on what you truly believe in. In fact, one is often used to justify the other.

    Read Brotopia. SV has sunk to Hollywood level of depravity, drugs, sex parties, hook-ups and spouse swapping are all the rage. Wherever there's lots of money to be made, Jews will find their way there, and wherever Jews go, liberalism and debauchery follows. All the virtue signaling is just a way to make up for their personal failings.

    The "true believers" of the left are faithful disciples of the religion of Liberalism. It is a religion that believes the end justifies the means, i.e. doesn't matter if you lie, cheat, steal, kill, as long as your goal is to advance the cause of liberalism, your deed is justified. That's why Facebook, Google, Twitter etc. feel justified to manipulate search results, ban conservative opinions and users, msm feel justified to deliver fake news to manipulate opinions, while the majority of the #MeToo perps are liberals. The left's virtue signaling is used to justify and make up for their moral degeneracy.

    Hollywood, Wall Street and the DNC are all full of true believers of the left, and all are morally bankrupt, because they are true believers of a morally bankrupt religion called Liberalism.

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  92. PiqueABoo says:
    @Aslangeo
    This is true - British teachers get graded and promoted on their GCSE (high school exam taken at age 16) results. The schools are also marked on their GCSE results and graded in published school league tables. Therefore there is massive pressure to get kids through, all teaching of 14 to 16 year old kids is geared to getting them to pass the exams which determine if they they can go on to do A levels (university entrance exams for 18 year old)

    School reputations also matter , I volunteered at a local school which had a banner displayed at the school entrance proudly announcing a 98% pass rate. Many kids however tend to forget everything that they had been taught in maths pretty quickly. There is also an anti maths prejudice amongst many girls and people from the white working class British community

    Another thing that volunteering at the school enabled me to see is how varied the general population's intelligence really is. Those of us who have worked in cognitive professions and went to Ivy League or Russell Group (or equivalent universities) are normally surrounded by reasonably smart people and as Anatoly said assume that everyone is just like us. They are not

    A GCSE Maths ‘pass’ (was seen as grade C but with nuGCSEs that’s now grade 4) isn’t very difficult and you only need correct answers for roughly 20% of the questions.

    Regarding prejudice, my (just) 15-year-old daughter is an anomalous, strong maths-geek and I’ve long been curious about this area. For girls I think it is less about them being anti-maths and more about them being pro-English.

    Piles of research has long had girls being better at reading/writing/verbal stuff than maths on average and unless there is a compelling economic or social motive to do otherwise, then children tend to pick their best(=favourite) subjects when contemplating post-GCSE choices. See ‘the gender paradox” re. super-gender-neutral Sweden having one of the worst percentages for female representation in STEM etc.

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    Girls who are high in math ability also tend to be high in linguistic ability, whereas this is less common in boys. A girl with high ability in two areas has a greater range of choices available to her than a boy with high ability in only one.
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  93. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m feeling like a fucking genius. Maybe an outlier in terms of IQ and income, but a fucking genius nonetheless.

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  94. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    What is lacking is the philosophical conviction that spending stupendous amounts of effort and energy to construct a vast highly organized system eating up the life energy of thousands of high aptitude people for the purpose of shortening delivery times by a few days is the best use of our limited time on this green earth.
     

    This is why they are working on life extension. Besides, aren't you a kind of a Buddhist? They'll just reincarnate as a sloth or an oak to idle their days away then.

    I think that you fail to acknowledge that for a lot of tech people, the work is genuinely fun. Why does Karlin, for example, play video games? Video games are a form of work, they force you to obey rules and challenges, and yet some of the most popular ones repeatedly hurt their players. A lot of people like effort, even are addicted to it.

    Mowgli raised by video games has spoken.

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  95. res says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    No, the answer is 28 km/h. She traveled 7 km in 15 minutes (quarter of an hour).

    Any thoughts on how the test makers expect the test takers to solve the problem? Done as you (and I) did it (4 + 3 km) / (9 + 6 minutes) * (60 minutes / 1 hour) = 28 km/h
    it is a trivial in your head computation with the numbers being conveniently round.

    Done the longer way computing the averages separately and combining them is a much more complex computation.

    Which better qualifies as level 6: realizing the easy way works, or being able to do the harder way correctly?

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    Bravo, res. You are Level 6. You can be a hairdresser in Belgium.
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  96. res says:
    @szopen
    The most significant thing is that the results seems to be the same from immigrants children (Steve Sailer was posting once the results somewhere) i.e. Tunisians in Germany do not have results of the native Germans, but much worse.

    Do you have a link to that analysis? I am curious how those results correspond to the IAB Brain Drain data. I use the latter as a measure of immigration selectivity and it would be useful if the PISA variation between source/host country pairs could serve as validation.

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    No, sorry. I only remember the graph and when I googled, I found only a difference between local population and children of first and of second generation (first generation: children born abroad who came as children, second generation: born in a host country). Maybe my memory has failed me.
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  97. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    The Argentinean probably saunters casually into the testing room thinking - why the f*** should I take this irrelevant nonsense seriously. That steak and wine dinner last night was amazing, I think ill save my mental effort for that history of Russian literature I'm reading.

    The Chinese guy walks grim-faced and serious into the room thinking - I must give this totally irrelevant question my absolute maximum effort, for the honor of my family and to avenge the humiliations of the Opium War and show we're equal to whites!

    Much later, guys like Anatoly Karlin scratch their heads and simply can't figure out why IQ tests significantly fail to measure up to real world outcomes between countries and groups, and individuals.

    Oh well, they say to themselves, w'ell just ignore the pesky details.

    And so the human comedy goes.

    And the black guy blows off the test even more than the white people do. So that must mean that blacks have equal IQs than whites right?

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    Who can say? If he blows off the test, we just don't know.
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  98. utu says:
    @res
    Any thoughts on how the test makers expect the test takers to solve the problem? Done as you (and I) did it (4 + 3 km) / (9 + 6 minutes) * (60 minutes / 1 hour) = 28 km/h
    it is a trivial in your head computation with the numbers being conveniently round.

    Done the longer way computing the averages separately and combining them is a much more complex computation.

    Which better qualifies as level 6: realizing the easy way works, or being able to do the harder way correctly?

    Bravo, res. You are Level 6. You can be a hairdresser in Belgium.

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  99. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    Don't troll me Anatoly - you must admit one of the most ridiculous things about HBD is how it purports to notice and celebrate a rich diversity in all human traits....except for competitive desire.

    That is supposed to be utterly invariant and constant across race, ethnic group, culture, history, environment, recent national humiliation, and time.

    This assumption is necessary to make competitive endeavors meaningful - if one group simply isn't competing as hard, kind of makes it less fun :)

    When you play sports, it feels really shitty when the other team just doesn't give it their best effort - really spoils the fun. We were all there, as kids.

    So believe me I get it. But it won't stop me poking fun at you silly kids :)

    So your whole point is that the test is invalid because white people blew off the test while the yellows studied for the test in advance?

    I highly doubt this but let’s examine this further. If that is the case, why did whites out score the Latinos and Africans?

    Maybe Asians pulled an all nighter, while whites studied forb2 hours, and Latinos didn’t study at all. So maybe Latinos are as smart as white people since the test scores don’t show that Latinos didn’t study for the test?

    You would have to be low IQ to believe this stuff. The whole Asians study for IQ tests are just a meme to make white people feel better about themselves. Sorry to hurt your self esteem.

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    Sure, I don't think Latinos are significantly less intelligent than whites.

    I've never noticed it, and its impossible to measure since test scores measure effort as much as anything.

    I've dealt extensively with Asians and I haven't noticed they're more intelligent than whites, although Asian culture is my favourite culture! More ambitious and driven, at the moment, sure.

    I grew up among Jews and haven't noticed they're so much brighter. I remember the surprise of my Jewish friend when he started doing business in the big wide world of nyc and he told us breathlessly that it's a myth Jews are so much smarter than whites, as if it was some kind of momentous discovery :)

    Most of these differences are priorities, levels of ambition, needing to prove oneself, recent cultural humiliations - stuff like that, for the most part.

    There's probably some level of genetic difference but hard to say what. Definitely not the majority.
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  100. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP
    Steve Sailer broke down PISA results by race. It was also done by race and state (you have to hunt for the latter in google). White people from the states of Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Jersey are among the highest-scoring people in the world.

    That is because the east coast is filled with Ashkenazi Jews which matches their 115 IQ.

    Take a sampling of white people from South Dakota and tell me what you get.

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    2015 PISA science scores in Canada and Jewish population

    Alberta 541 (0.4% Jews)
    BC 539 (0.8% Jews)
    Quebec 537 (1.2% Jews)
    Ontario 524 (1.8% Jews)
    Nova Scotia 517 (0.3%)
    New Brunswick 506 (0.1% Jews)
    Manitoba 499 (1.2% Jews)
    Saskatchewan 496 (0.2% Jews)

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-2015-United-States.pdf
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Canada

    I do not see correlation between PISA score and Jewish percentage of population.
    , @AP
    MA is 1.8% Jewish. The high scores in New England are mostly a Puritan thing, not a Jewish phenomenon.
    , @DFH
    Even in New York, Jews are a very small proportion of the population, let alone the entire East Coast. 115 is ludicrous as an estimate for Ashkenazi IQ also.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IooiIKeiRs4/VNbUwq1ZvzI/AAAAAAAAC2E/fxZyPd2Q5-g/s1600/whiteiq.png

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

    , @Kratoklastes
    The 115 number for US Ashkenazim has about the same factual content as the book of Joshua or Misha Defonseca's riveting Holocaust memoir (or her earlier riveting memoir of being a child victim of satanic ritual sexual abuse).

    Mr Unz has already shown that the numbers are significantly lower than the claimed 115 - it's somewhere in the masterful "American Pravda" material.

    Also... I've said this before: if you want to do some 'apples vs apples" tests, and test the 'inherent' chunk that can be ascribed to Ashkenazim per se... do some testing in a shtetl in the countryside around Lvov.

    That would be fair - it's the benchmark that generated the data used to paint SSAs as irretrievably backward. Get some kiddies from rural areas, give them fuck-all test prep, and use the resultant statistical bilge to reinforce some deeply-felt need to justify the history of Western paternalism and exploitation.

    I'm sure that Goebells would love to have thought of that:


    "Look - we did IQ tests throughout the parts of the Pale of Settlement that are under the protection of the Reich: the results were pretty awful... turns out that the average shtetl-dweller would be declared feeble-minded under the definition laid out inBuck v Bell 274 US 200 [1927] - the US Supreme court's 1927 declaration that governments have the right to compulsorily sterilise groups so defined "for the protection of the health of the state".

    Our considered view is that sterilising is a half-assed solution that is nowhere near 'Final' enough (as solutions go).

    Round them up.

    HAIL KEK."

     

    Jokes aside... the data on race and IQ is obviously problematic - the Irish problem, the Dutch problem (two populations that tested at average IQ of 70-80 in the 50s-70s, but are clearly >100 today). I guess they both get a pass because they're kinda-white?

    .

    I'm quite a fan of Gilad Atzmon's "cognitive bifurcation" thesis (it's not specifically Atzmon's but he does a very good job of presenting it); I would bet that the raw data for US Ashkenazim would be solidly bimodal - with one mode at 95, and another at 125. It's super super hard to get hold of that data, though... I wonder why that would be? It's almost as if nobody wants folks to look at it.

    Bog-standard Ashenazim are as dumb as a bag of hammers; smart Ashkenazim are as smart as smart goyim. Hyper-smart Ashkenazim (IQ above 135) are slightly less rare than hyper-smart goyim. It still makes a difference to outcomes, because group cohesion is a force multiplier for tiny intelligence differentials.

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  101. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The "morally corrupt" ones are not who you should fear. Their aims are relatively minor all things considered. They can be bribed or distracted; their evil is one we understand, a beast that we all fight and tame(or not) within ourselves.

    It is the true believers that you should truly be terrified of, because they have found spiritual truth in undoing this wicked world and no price is too great, no mountain too high, and no slaughter too terrible for them to belay delivering utopia upon us.

    SV has many true believers.

    The problem with the True Believers is that they believe in “doing” – thus they become like the Evil Ones in their pursuit of refashioning the world. We become what we fight – we must. There is a reason the alt-right is busy studying and implementing all the strategies if the Left.

    If they just understood that everything is OK, they’d relax, and be merrier.

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    I always thought that the true genius in Tolkien's work was not the amazing world he crafted with its array of characters and various mythical beings, but the final scene in which the humble Hobbit has finally achieved the summit of the tremendous task he set out to do and then finally succumbs to the power of the ring.

    "The ring is mine." - Frodo

    Peace.
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  102. songbird says:
    @Vishnugupta
    Interesting result in the International Physics Olympiad 2018.

    The participants represent the smartest of smart fractions top 0.0001% of the respective countries.

    China and India came joint first with 5 Golds(The maximum possible each)

    In a world increasingly moving towards automation,the IQ of the top 0.5% is what is going to matter assuming the population at large are not a bunch of Cretins.

    A population with genetic IQ of 92+ but with a top 0.5% with IQ 135+ (India) is likely over decades going to outperform countries with IQ of 95+ with a top 0.5% with IQ 120+ (Lat Am,SE Asia,Turkey etc).We can see this playing out even today India's industrial base Space,Nuclear(Full Civilian fuel cycle+nuclear weapons +nuclear submarines),Auto components etc dwarf anything these countries have despite the fact they are on average 3-5 times richer,do not suffer from horrendous malnourishment rates and have much better social infrastructure and did not spend the majority of their independent years under the asinine License Raj economic system.

    So, far I would say India’s history with nuclear subs is kind of embarrassing, with a hatch left open and flooding in port, of their prototype vessel.

    I don’t think that ever would have happened on the USS Nautilus. Although, in the US a nuke sub was effectively destroyed in 2012, by arson from a worker who wanted to leave work early. Though it is incident, I think it represents a real decline, though the worker was white.

    India is an interesting case to think about because of raw numbers. Add in mobility and you could, if the politics allow, have some very smart organizations, perhaps even cities. The question really is how much the politics will allow and what are the natural differential fertility trends in India. Probably not encouraging. Still, I think it will quite likely outperform Turkey in the longterm.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is a good point I hadn't considered.

    How can a country like India defend itself or even field a competent military when so many of it's people have an IQ if 82?

    Even if there are a lot of genius level generals designing war games in some bunker, where are the 90-100 IQ Indians to carry out the orders and what will this lead to?

    Scary thoughts.
    , @Vishnugupta
    Everyone makes mistakes.

    China's first nuclear submarine Xia class also had several much more significant accidents which resulted in loss of lives.That in no way hampered China's eventual emergence as a major naval power.

    India is frankly not fit for democracy (I am not convinced one man one vote democracy is in the long term good even for developed western countries) we have however evolved to a point where an effective semi authoritarian spell can propel us to a solid second world country within 15 years and I have grounds for cautious optimism that a movement in that direction is under way beyond that there are too many imponderables to hazard a guess.
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  103. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous
    So your whole point is that the test is invalid because white people blew off the test while the yellows studied for the test in advance?

    I highly doubt this but let's examine this further. If that is the case, why did whites out score the Latinos and Africans?

    Maybe Asians pulled an all nighter, while whites studied forb2 hours, and Latinos didn't study at all. So maybe Latinos are as smart as white people since the test scores don't show that Latinos didn't study for the test?

    You would have to be low IQ to believe this stuff. The whole Asians study for IQ tests are just a meme to make white people feel better about themselves. Sorry to hurt your self esteem.

    Sure, I don’t think Latinos are significantly less intelligent than whites.

    I’ve never noticed it, and its impossible to measure since test scores measure effort as much as anything.

    I’ve dealt extensively with Asians and I haven’t noticed they’re more intelligent than whites, although Asian culture is my favourite culture! More ambitious and driven, at the moment, sure.

    I grew up among Jews and haven’t noticed they’re so much brighter. I remember the surprise of my Jewish friend when he started doing business in the big wide world of nyc and he told us breathlessly that it’s a myth Jews are so much smarter than whites, as if it was some kind of momentous discovery :)

    Most of these differences are priorities, levels of ambition, needing to prove oneself, recent cultural humiliations – stuff like that, for the most part.

    There’s probably some level of genetic difference but hard to say what. Definitely not the majority.

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    So blacks are not born superior athletes then? Asians and Latinos could dominate the NBA like blacks do if they just prioritized it?
    , @marpa
    If only there were some way of getting past subjective impressions and measuring actual cognitive abilities. Some kind of test that could be administered to people to see how well they do at this sort of thing. Perhaps some really smart people will figure this out and design tests like that and administer them widely to see what sort of results different people have around the world. You'd be in favor of that, right?
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  104. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous
    And the black guy blows off the test even more than the white people do. So that must mean that blacks have equal IQs than whites right?

    Who can say? If he blows off the test, we just don’t know.

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    Isn't it odd that the lack of effort is not equal across the six categories of questions? If I walk into a test saying, "I don't care how I do at this test," why wouldn't I answer every question by filling in the first oval for each multiple choice question and finish in five minutes?

    This is nonsensical excuse-making.
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  105. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vishnugupta
    Interesting result in the International Physics Olympiad 2018.

    The participants represent the smartest of smart fractions top 0.0001% of the respective countries.

    China and India came joint first with 5 Golds(The maximum possible each)

    In a world increasingly moving towards automation,the IQ of the top 0.5% is what is going to matter assuming the population at large are not a bunch of Cretins.

    A population with genetic IQ of 92+ but with a top 0.5% with IQ 135+ (India) is likely over decades going to outperform countries with IQ of 95+ with a top 0.5% with IQ 120+ (Lat Am,SE Asia,Turkey etc).We can see this playing out even today India's industrial base Space,Nuclear(Full Civilian fuel cycle+nuclear weapons +nuclear submarines),Auto components etc dwarf anything these countries have despite the fact they are on average 3-5 times richer,do not suffer from horrendous malnourishment rates and have much better social infrastructure and did not spend the majority of their independent years under the asinine License Raj economic system.

    India has an IQ of 82 not 92 lol. That is a huge difference as much of India is dumber than Africans. To many Dravidians who look like Aboriginals and have the IQ to match.

    Your point is wrong anyway. In the future it is more important to have a high floor than a high ceiling precisely because of automation.

    India will never overcome its low IQ fraction because it makes up the majority of the populous. So no matter how smart its 0.0001% are, those IQ points will likely go towards helping the West and not India.

    If you are a moderate IQ country with few low IQ people like Indians, you don’t really need geniuses. You can just follow the economies and ideas of smarter people and nations and be good.

    This is what Chile is like and it is a much better country to live in that India.

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    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    I stated genetic IQ not present IQ which is depressed due to various environmental factors.
    Though given the genetic diversity of a sub continent I await a much more thorough analysis of Indian IQ than Lynn's 82 figure that seems to be taken as the gospel truth.

    Given the fact that descendants of Indian indentured laborers(who originate mostly from Low /Middle castes from the most backward areas of India) in places like Trinidad,Suriname,Mauritius and South Africa score in the low 90s I believe I am being very conservative vis a vis genetic potential IQ of India as a whole.

    I believe AK had written something along these lines a few years back.
    , @britisharebasque
    I read somewhere dravidian southern India is much smarter than so called aryan northern india and is more developed and a lot less corrupt so maybe the 82IQ people are from the north , also a lot of silicon valley engineers are from the south of india.
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  106. utu says:
    @Anonymous
    That is because the east coast is filled with Ashkenazi Jews which matches their 115 IQ.

    Take a sampling of white people from South Dakota and tell me what you get.

    2015 PISA science scores in Canada and Jewish population

    Alberta 541 (0.4% Jews)
    BC 539 (0.8% Jews)
    Quebec 537 (1.2% Jews)
    Ontario 524 (1.8% Jews)
    Nova Scotia 517 (0.3%)
    New Brunswick 506 (0.1% Jews)
    Manitoba 499 (1.2% Jews)
    Saskatchewan 496 (0.2% Jews)

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-2015-United-States.pdf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Canada

    I do not see correlation between PISA score and Jewish percentage of population.

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    But the poster asked for scores only of white students. How do I know the white scores across those Canadian provinces?
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  107. @Anonymous
    The problem with Level 6 Math is that the correct answer as given is 28 whereas the actual one is 28.3(3). That the test-takers were not able to come up with a sensible question that tests concepts such as rates/normalization AND returns an integer answer speaks of low IQ of the test designers.

    Not arguing the main point, of course! The ranking is still roughly meaningful. That is, a largish part of the difference between Switzerland and Albania (or Singapore and Jamaica) can be explained in terms of the tests results shown.

    9 minutes of the ride was 26.6km/h and 6 minutes at 30.

    so how do you figure out the average?

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    • Replies: @utu
    Students supposed to know what an average velocity is. This you learn at science or physics. But at math at about the same time you also learn about arithmetic, geometric and other types of mean. In many languages there is no distinction between mean and average. So it is possible that a student my calculate two velocities and then calculate their mean, say arithmetic.

    A student confronted with this problem goes through the list of templates that he created while solving problems in the past and identify it as: (1) it is physics, (2) about velocities, (3) average velocity, (4) they never ask about mean/average of velocities, so it must be the average velocity...and so on.

    Now if you had a student who is great at math and who knows what velocity is (you divide distance by speed) but who never heard how the average velocity is defined and has not been trained in solving problems like this one and thus has no list of templates to look up, he could be confused particularly because the problem does not offer a, b, c, d answers that he could check against several possibilities that he could have come up with by using different definitions of an average.
    , @Chet Bradley

    so how do you figure out the average?
     
    Assuming you're actually asking a question and not just asking Anon to explain his reasoning, you don't (figure out the average). You use total distance and total time to calculate average speed. First principles.
    , @Bruno
    The average speed is not the average of the two speeds except if you ponder them by time, and not by distance as most people here have done (wich wrongly gives 28.3). But it’s really dumb to ponder by time when the time is already given to you. It would be different if you had the distance and speed and were looking for the time of each portion to compute the average speed

    So to answer the guy who said he correctly average the speeds, it’s doubtful, but it’s really not bright . It’s applying a formula to complicate a simple deduction you can do in 10 seconds if you think straight.

    The important amount of wrong answers in the comments thread has convinced me that maybe it’s true that people need a 120 IQ to understand elementary math like that .

    For those who were able to do that at 4yo, you realize how lonely you are in this world ....
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  108. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird
    So, far I would say India's history with nuclear subs is kind of embarrassing, with a hatch left open and flooding in port, of their prototype vessel.

    I don't think that ever would have happened on the USS Nautilus. Although, in the US a nuke sub was effectively destroyed in 2012, by arson from a worker who wanted to leave work early. Though it is incident, I think it represents a real decline, though the worker was white.

    India is an interesting case to think about because of raw numbers. Add in mobility and you could, if the politics allow, have some very smart organizations, perhaps even cities. The question really is how much the politics will allow and what are the natural differential fertility trends in India. Probably not encouraging. Still, I think it will quite likely outperform Turkey in the longterm.

    This is a good point I hadn’t considered.

    How can a country like India defend itself or even field a competent military when so many of it’s people have an IQ if 82?

    Even if there are a lot of genius level generals designing war games in some bunker, where are the 90-100 IQ Indians to carry out the orders and what will this lead to?

    Scary thoughts.

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  109. @songbird
    So, far I would say India's history with nuclear subs is kind of embarrassing, with a hatch left open and flooding in port, of their prototype vessel.

    I don't think that ever would have happened on the USS Nautilus. Although, in the US a nuke sub was effectively destroyed in 2012, by arson from a worker who wanted to leave work early. Though it is incident, I think it represents a real decline, though the worker was white.

    India is an interesting case to think about because of raw numbers. Add in mobility and you could, if the politics allow, have some very smart organizations, perhaps even cities. The question really is how much the politics will allow and what are the natural differential fertility trends in India. Probably not encouraging. Still, I think it will quite likely outperform Turkey in the longterm.

    Everyone makes mistakes.

    China’s first nuclear submarine Xia class also had several much more significant accidents which resulted in loss of lives.That in no way hampered China’s eventual emergence as a major naval power.

    India is frankly not fit for democracy (I am not convinced one man one vote democracy is in the long term good even for developed western countries) we have however evolved to a point where an effective semi authoritarian spell can propel us to a solid second world country within 15 years and I have grounds for cautious optimism that a movement in that direction is under way beyond that there are too many imponderables to hazard a guess.

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    an effective semi authoritarian spell can propel us to a solid second world country within 15 years
     
    Whoever this authoritarian ruler going to be I hope he will put toilets high on his authoritarian agenda.

    PROFILES IN COURAGE - TOILET PIONEER
    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/o7dham/chappelle-s-show-profiles-in-courage---toilet-pioneer
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  110. AP says:
    @Anonymous
    That is because the east coast is filled with Ashkenazi Jews which matches their 115 IQ.

    Take a sampling of white people from South Dakota and tell me what you get.

    MA is 1.8% Jewish. The high scores in New England are mostly a Puritan thing, not a Jewish phenomenon.

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    I would further note that the Puritan heartlands:

    * Consisted mostly off well to-do yeomen and gentlemen from East Anglia, England's most prosperous region in the 17th century;
    * Literacy amongst those early Puritans was at 2/3 of the population, relative to 40% in England proper;
    * A disproportionate percentage (relative to population) of eminent intellectuals have hailed from East Anglia and Mass/Conn in both England the US;
    * Harvard University was founded in 1636, when the Puritan population in the America numbered about 40,000 colonists;
    * The region today contains 2-3 of America's top 5 universities.

    It is a most impressive concentration of human capital.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    Actually, it states here that Massachusetts is 4.0% Jewish:

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-in-the-united-states-by-state

    Of course, since we're only talking about Massachusetts Whites--who make up perhaps 60% of the total population in Massachusetts--we're probably thinking of something like 7% Jewish.

    Still, a White population which is 7% Jewish wouldn't be enough for the Jews to have a significant impact on its average IQ. Indeed, the Jews in such a scenario should only add about one percentage point to the average IQ of Massachusetts Whites.

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  111. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    Sure, I don't think Latinos are significantly less intelligent than whites.

    I've never noticed it, and its impossible to measure since test scores measure effort as much as anything.

    I've dealt extensively with Asians and I haven't noticed they're more intelligent than whites, although Asian culture is my favourite culture! More ambitious and driven, at the moment, sure.

    I grew up among Jews and haven't noticed they're so much brighter. I remember the surprise of my Jewish friend when he started doing business in the big wide world of nyc and he told us breathlessly that it's a myth Jews are so much smarter than whites, as if it was some kind of momentous discovery :)

    Most of these differences are priorities, levels of ambition, needing to prove oneself, recent cultural humiliations - stuff like that, for the most part.

    There's probably some level of genetic difference but hard to say what. Definitely not the majority.

    So blacks are not born superior athletes then? Asians and Latinos could dominate the NBA like blacks do if they just prioritized it?

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    • Replies: @AaronB
    Quite possibly. Asians and Latinos have other outlets for prestige and income. Its very hard to judge why one community specializes in particular niche. There is probably a genetic component but its impossible to measure it.

    Being around Jews, it's evident to me they prioritize money - I have acquaintances who will argue with me for hours over trivial amounts of money, with immense passion and energy and argumentative fecundity, essentially exhausting me - yet it is equally evident to me Jews have no special talent for money. Just a passion for it, for cultural reasons.

    If Chinese suddenly decided their honor depended entirely on basketball and poured all their striving into it, I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly China produced the world best players.

    Very hard to say, these things.
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  112. DFH says:
    @Anonymous
    That is because the east coast is filled with Ashkenazi Jews which matches their 115 IQ.

    Take a sampling of white people from South Dakota and tell me what you get.

    Even in New York, Jews are a very small proportion of the population, let alone the entire East Coast. 115 is ludicrous as an estimate for Ashkenazi IQ also.

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

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    Texas and Minnesota scored well because of their high amount of German blood which is intermixed with a lot of Jewish blood

    On the East Coast there are soooooo many white people with Ashkenazi blood even if they don't identify as Jews.

    Besides, these IQ numbers still don't match the IQ of Chinese or Ashkenazi Jews. So the poster above who said these white people had the highest test scores were obviously full of it.
    , @Bliss
    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

    Hmm, the 5 states with the most intelligent whites voted for Hillary Clinton while the 5 states with the least intelligent whites voted for Trump.

    Add the fact that Whites with post-graduate degrees voted most heavily for Clinton while whites with the least education voted most heavily for Trump. And all the best colleges and universities in America are located in the Blue Democrat states: the Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Caltech etc

    What conclusions can we draw from that, geniuses?
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  113. Mr. XYZ says:

    Anatoly, do you have the answer key for this PISA test? I want to compare the answers that I calculated for this with the actual answers for this to see just how well I did.

    Also, posts such as this explain the danger of letting in a lot of low-IQ people into the First World. Basically, the First World is going to get screwed if the newcomers fail to converge to First World levels of average IQ. Also, given that decades of affirmative action have failed to make a significant dent in racial and ethnic achievement/IQ gaps in the U.S., one should probably be extremely skeptical that we’ll be able to make Third Worlders converge to First World levels of average IQ without things such as embryo selection for intelligence or gene editing of embryos.

    AK: It’s linked to in the text - http://www.oecd.org/pisa/test-2012/

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  114. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP
    Steve Sailer broke down PISA results by race. It was also done by race and state (you have to hunt for the latter in google). White people from the states of Connecticut, Massachusetts and New Jersey are among the highest-scoring people in the world.

    Sailer also showed that the U.S. performs extremely well overall when its scores are broken down by race. What hurts the U.S. is its racial demographics.

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    I would need to see specifics to believe this.

    Most likely white populations that test well will be Jewish or part Jewish. No way South Dakota or Tenessee tests as well.
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  115. @Anonymous
    India has an IQ of 82 not 92 lol. That is a huge difference as much of India is dumber than Africans. To many Dravidians who look like Aboriginals and have the IQ to match.

    Your point is wrong anyway. In the future it is more important to have a high floor than a high ceiling precisely because of automation.

    India will never overcome its low IQ fraction because it makes up the majority of the populous. So no matter how smart its 0.0001% are, those IQ points will likely go towards helping the West and not India.

    If you are a moderate IQ country with few low IQ people like Indians, you don't really need geniuses. You can just follow the economies and ideas of smarter people and nations and be good.

    This is what Chile is like and it is a much better country to live in that India.

    I stated genetic IQ not present IQ which is depressed due to various environmental factors.
    Though given the genetic diversity of a sub continent I await a much more thorough analysis of Indian IQ than Lynn’s 82 figure that seems to be taken as the gospel truth.

    Given the fact that descendants of Indian indentured laborers(who originate mostly from Low /Middle castes from the most backward areas of India) in places like Trinidad,Suriname,Mauritius and South Africa score in the low 90s I believe I am being very conservative vis a vis genetic potential IQ of India as a whole.

    I believe AK had written something along these lines a few years back.

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    Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

    North Koreans who are under much worse conditions than most of India have their genetic IQ preserved.

    Chinese IQ tests from just a few decades ago when China was still very impoverished still showed much higher IQ than India.

    Indians have a lower IQ built in because they have a high percentage of Aboriginal/Dravidian blood which you can see in their face.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Probably this article: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-puzzle-of-indian-iq-a-country-of-gypsies-and-jews/

    Also this one by recman1.
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  116. utu says:
    @NestorGoldman
    9 minutes of the ride was 26.6km/h and 6 minutes at 30.

    so how do you figure out the average?

    Students supposed to know what an average velocity is. This you learn at science or physics. But at math at about the same time you also learn about arithmetic, geometric and other types of mean. In many languages there is no distinction between mean and average. So it is possible that a student my calculate two velocities and then calculate their mean, say arithmetic.

    A student confronted with this problem goes through the list of templates that he created while solving problems in the past and identify it as: (1) it is physics, (2) about velocities, (3) average velocity, (4) they never ask about mean/average of velocities, so it must be the average velocity…and so on.

    Now if you had a student who is great at math and who knows what velocity is (you divide distance by speed) but who never heard how the average velocity is defined and has not been trained in solving problems like this one and thus has no list of templates to look up, he could be confused particularly because the problem does not offer a, b, c, d answers that he could check against several possibilities that he could have come up with by using different definitions of an average.

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  117. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vishnugupta
    I stated genetic IQ not present IQ which is depressed due to various environmental factors.
    Though given the genetic diversity of a sub continent I await a much more thorough analysis of Indian IQ than Lynn's 82 figure that seems to be taken as the gospel truth.

    Given the fact that descendants of Indian indentured laborers(who originate mostly from Low /Middle castes from the most backward areas of India) in places like Trinidad,Suriname,Mauritius and South Africa score in the low 90s I believe I am being very conservative vis a vis genetic potential IQ of India as a whole.

    I believe AK had written something along these lines a few years back.

    Sorry, it doesn’t work that way.

    North Koreans who are under much worse conditions than most of India have their genetic IQ preserved.

    Chinese IQ tests from just a few decades ago when China was still very impoverished still showed much higher IQ than India.

    Indians have a lower IQ built in because they have a high percentage of Aboriginal/Dravidian blood which you can see in their face.

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    Tamils have a reputation for cognitive ability, especially mathematical, and they are Dravidian are they not? I don't know India very well (who can?) bit note that high tech and outsourcing appears to be strong in the south, notably in Bangalore (Bengaluru if you are a proud Kannada speaker in Karnataka State) but also Hyderabad and Chennai also (Madras). I have heard Tamils called the Jews of the East and they certainly seem to have got themselves both education and resentment in Sri Lanka despite being a small minority, rather like Jews in the Pale of Settlement.

    I think the correlation would be much stronger with caste than with Dravidian DNA.

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  118. anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    I guess I am missing the point or putting too fine a point on it. Auto assembly involves a complex, lengthy supply chain. The entire enterprise is based on the labor component becoming foolproof.

    Meanwhile, that the value of labor is limited by group intelligent is one of those things that is likely true but unprovable,

    3rd worlders can certainly use cellphones, but they would never be able to invent them. By extension, using technology is possible. Is there any instance of a country unable to implement cell technology?

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  119. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous
    So blacks are not born superior athletes then? Asians and Latinos could dominate the NBA like blacks do if they just prioritized it?

    Quite possibly. Asians and Latinos have other outlets for prestige and income. Its very hard to judge why one community specializes in particular niche. There is probably a genetic component but its impossible to measure it.

    Being around Jews, it’s evident to me they prioritize money – I have acquaintances who will argue with me for hours over trivial amounts of money, with immense passion and energy and argumentative fecundity, essentially exhausting me – yet it is equally evident to me Jews have no special talent for money. Just a passion for it, for cultural reasons.

    If Chinese suddenly decided their honor depended entirely on basketball and poured all their striving into it, I wouldn’t be surprised if suddenly China produced the world best players.

    Very hard to say, these things.

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  120. utu says:
    @Vishnugupta
    Everyone makes mistakes.

    China's first nuclear submarine Xia class also had several much more significant accidents which resulted in loss of lives.That in no way hampered China's eventual emergence as a major naval power.

    India is frankly not fit for democracy (I am not convinced one man one vote democracy is in the long term good even for developed western countries) we have however evolved to a point where an effective semi authoritarian spell can propel us to a solid second world country within 15 years and I have grounds for cautious optimism that a movement in that direction is under way beyond that there are too many imponderables to hazard a guess.

    an effective semi authoritarian spell can propel us to a solid second world country within 15 years

    Whoever this authoritarian ruler going to be I hope he will put toilets high on his authoritarian agenda.

    PROFILES IN COURAGE – TOILET PIONEER

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/o7dham/chappelle-s-show-profiles-in-courage—toilet-pioneer

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  121. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Sailer also showed that the U.S. performs extremely well overall when its scores are broken down by race. What hurts the U.S. is its racial demographics.

    I would need to see specifics to believe this.

    Most likely white populations that test well will be Jewish or part Jewish. No way South Dakota or Tenessee tests as well.

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    Jews aren't numerous enough to make a significant difference in regards to this, though. Even if Jews are, say, 15% of the total White population in, say, New York and perform a full standard deviation above White Gentiles, they'll still only add a couple of points to the average IQ of Whites there.
    , @anon
    The lesson in these IQ statistics seems to be that learning is a function of directed and encountered experience. Performance is a measure of ability to apply learned or acquired experience to a problem or situation of the type one's culture expects its adults to perform in.

    Learning (that is the processing of experience) occurs with every human breath.

    The types of learning experiences are based in availability, access, random events. Each type of learning experience is a function of sensory access, if one cannot read, one cannot know the meanings of that words on the page, if one cannot hear one cannot know that the whistle sounds the time of day.

    Availability of the mother, father, siblings, the extended family, the community, the society, and activities directed toward preparation for adult demands in a target society all figure in the ability to perform. IQ is a measure of the ability to perform on a test which must be read [visual sensory capacity assumed to be adequate ], understood [assumptions misdirect performance], and taken seriously ( I don't feel well today or my mother just died or whatever, the gang will whip my ass if I do well on this test]

    So much performance determined IQ depends on the ability to perceive, to remember, to recall experience that it is difficult to compare performance test results even between siblings. Another factor is the language, grammar used, and even the type of print used by those who prepare the test.
    On no test anywhere have I seen a question like this..

    Your intended victim is a 42 yr old female tourist, she walks with a limp, keeps a very large red purse strapped to her wrist, the purse contains a pistol and she runs around the block of her hotel at 8:00 pm each evening. Which of the following is most likely to be successful in transporting the money in her purse to your hands?
    a. direct confrontation (beg or this is a holdup) b. artful brush by c. 2nd party diversion d. shoot, grab & run

    Obviously the answer depends on the imagined capacity of the victim and the social setting of the offender among other things but not so obvious is that the answer depends on prior directed and encountered experience and an assessment of the risk. No one tested will have the same set of these prior experiences.
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  122. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH
    Even in New York, Jews are a very small proportion of the population, let alone the entire East Coast. 115 is ludicrous as an estimate for Ashkenazi IQ also.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IooiIKeiRs4/VNbUwq1ZvzI/AAAAAAAAC2E/fxZyPd2Q5-g/s1600/whiteiq.png

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

    Texas and Minnesota scored well because of their high amount of German blood which is intermixed with a lot of Jewish blood

    On the East Coast there are soooooo many white people with Ashkenazi blood even if they don’t identify as Jews.

    Besides, these IQ numbers still don’t match the IQ of Chinese or Ashkenazi Jews. So the poster above who said these white people had the highest test scores were obviously full of it.

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    Claiming that everyone is really genetically a Jew must be some strange form of Jew-obsessed monomania I have not encountered before
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  123. Dmitry says:
    @utu

    We could see it as a useful test of whether children can filter out unnecessary information, and discern the intentions of the transnational question designer the OECD has hired. Perhaps this is a skill in itself.
     
    Yes, it is a skill. Anything can be a skill. In some cultures this skill is not valued. This skill measures acculturations to culture that is foreign and often considered hostile so the skill may not only be not valued but also will be resisted. The ones excelling in it will be seen as sell outs and traitors. The Uncle Toms. Culture is a bitch. It is a very complex system. That's why the IQ story is so appealing to simple minds because it allows the simpletons to ignore what they don't have an aptitude for.

    Well questions testing to see if kids can count numbers and multiply. Almost all healthy (not-disabled) people can do this. Questions are too far easy for this age group (15-16 year olds).

    The difficulty is in distractions, irrelevant pictures, and unclear words.

    For example, “Level 4″ question is asking them to multiply 3 numbers. Children can usually do this at age 10. It is a question at an 10 year old difficulty level.

    What is the reason for including a picture of a door – why not just ask them to multiply the three numbers? (The only advantage of adding the door picture, is to confused people from countries where these doors do not exist – it’s a test of whether your country has this door type, not of multiplication).

    -

    A good exam for this age, would write the questions as clearly as possible, without any culturally dependent distractions.

    If they had actually a topic suitable for 15 year olds, like solving quadratic equation by factorization – they can write the questions normally, but test the children more by choosing larger and more awkward numbers.

    The transnational comparison could still be possible, by keeping simple topics which will be covered in syllabuses of schools in different countries, while making more difficult questions within those same topics.

    There’s no reason African children should be culturally resistant to e.g. quadratic equation. It’s a universal topic, which 15 year olds around the world are studying.

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    I agree. Indoctrinate them in math formalism first to be fluent in it and only then create 'real life' problems where math can be applied. When I used to teach and tutor there were many 'real life' problems but they were not really original. The original ones you can encounter at math olympiads. You could classify problems into different categories and recognize which math template was needed for each category. One way to help to tutor students who needed to catch up was to teach about the categories so they do not have to form them by themselves through many exercises. This approach reduces the number of problems one must solve to become proficient.

    I think the 'real life' problems are created to address a frequent objection some may hear from student and parents nowadays: 'What is it good for?' or "Why do I need it?' The answer to it should be strict and non utilitarian but elitists: 'This is what education is about. In order to be educated that's what you need.' 'If you want a vocation go to a vocational school or if you want to be a millionaire go to the Who Wants to Be a Millionaire show.'
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    This is what TIMSS does (PISA and TIMSS correlate well).

    PISA proxies the sort of problems that one encounters in everyday life, and is arguably a truer test of intelligence.

    Also we don't really have any truly impoverished and backwards countries like Afghanistan doing PISA. I am sure that plenty of children even in Tunisia or Colombia have seen revolving doors.
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  124. utu says:

    German blood which is intermixed with a lot of Jewish blood

    So you are a Jewish suprematist troll, aren’t you? And not a vey smart one.

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  125. @DFH
    Looking at this makes me a little sceptical of how well the PISA tests measure competence (at least in absolute terms).
    For instance, the claim that only such a small percentage of British schoolchildren can do advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs, which require competence in similar levels of Maths.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/aug/24/proportion-of-students-getting-good-gcse-grades-falls-after-reforms

    You don’t understand credentialism, grade inflation and reduced pedagogic standards.

    The number of kiddies who get As (nowadays, A or A*) at GCSE has increased from 8% to 22% since 1988; A* was introduced in 1994 when the number of kiddies getting As changed from about 1 in 12 to about 1 in 8.

    So ‘A’ is the ‘new B’ (almost exactly, actually).

    A GCSE ‘A’ has changed from ‘this kid is soundly inside the top decile for this subject‘ to ‘this kid is definitely outside the top 6% (otherwise they would have got an A*). They could be outside the top quintile. They’re safely inside the top quartile, though, innit.‘.

    GCSE maths is like high school maths everywhere in the West nowadays: it has been shorn of all rigour.

    The same is true for university “Honours”: in the UK, 25% of graduates get a First (in 1988 it was 4-10% depending on the institution). In Australia a First now means inside the 4th percentile (at Melbourne Uni Economics they had a tradition to only give a single First: that’s gone now). In my year, there were 4 Firsts – a record up to that point, but it was four genuinely outstanding students; a dead-heat for top student (me and my mate Ritch), then 2 others dead-heated 4% lower (two other mates). Some years prior to 1995 there were no Firsts awarded.

    I know this is getting long: might take a whole minute more to finish…

    Back to high school maths and declining standards.

    As far back as the late 90s – before grade inflation really took off – even quasi-élite students were poorly prepared by high school mathematics.

    At the time I was a PhD candidate (in Econometrics, on a ‘full ride’ merit scholarship).

    To augment our scholarships we were given tutoring positions (3 1-hour tutes a week, plus exam and assignment marking, for a 0.35 full time, full-year salary – easiest money ever). So we were at the ‘coal face’ – teaching first year Econometrics, which was mandatory (I also tutored third year Applied Econometric Modelling, which was elective – and a cinch to teach because everyone who took it wanted to be there and the chaff had already been winnowed out).

    This was at a university in the top few dozen in the world in the field, which required high school marks solidly in the 5-6% to get into the undergraduate course. The entry requirements also included 2 units of maths (i.e., what we used to refer to as ‘Pure’ and ‘Applied’) at Year 12 final exams.

    It’s difficult to score in the top decile of high school graduates with 2 maths subjects, unless you get an A in at least one of those subjects.

    With that as background: I had students in first year who didn’t know
    what a logarithm was (for fuck’s sake);
    • how to differentiate (forget chain and product rules – I mean simple differentiation of a univariate function);
    • how to manipulate powers (e.g., a²/a⁴= ?);
    • basic matrix and vector algebra (the hardest topic would have been Cholesky decomposition of a 5×5 matrix – by hand, because it’s 1996).

    These kids were not outliers, or ‘special entry’ kids – my colleagues reported similar problems with their first-year classes, too.

    In the end my mates and I prepared a bunch of remedial mathematics notes that were distributed widely, and we pre-emptively handed them out during ‘O’ (Orientation) week in subsequent years.

    Less than 5 years prior to this, my mates and I were undergraduates ourselves: Econometrics was mandatory in first year, but elective subsequently: ‘pure’ Economics majors dropped it the moment they could.

    Every one of the second-year Econometrics students in our year had done first-year Mathematics (in the Science department) as an elective in first year… because it was free marks. Calculus, linear algebra, first-order differential equations – re-hashing year 11 and 12 maths.

    I know right? I’m old, and I’m one of those “shit was better/harder/tougher when I was younger, waaaaah” types.

    No, not really.

    Standards were higher, and they changed – markedly, radically, downwards – in the middle years of the 1990s.

    I watched it happen in real time: in my Honours year (1995), the person teaching Macroeconomic Theory was forced to “pump the brake” on a really good rigorous Modern Macro course (e.g., one based on Blanchard & Fisher).

    It was a mandatory subject for Honours; a fail meant you were booted with a Pass degree.

    Half the pure-Economics majors had spent their previous 3 years writing essays.

    After the first assignment, in which they did poorly, the pure-Ecotards saw the maths required for the next unit (a basic OLG model).

    They shit themselves, saw the impending train wreck, and agitated for the subsequent assignments and exam to be watered down.

    Faculty held their ground (but they changed the course the following year), but pure-Econometrics and joint Econ/Econometrics majors (i.e., me an my chums) were ‘asked’ to tutor the essay-writers.

    So we had to babysit these tards (only one of whom got a ‘First’) while managing a study load that for us included
    Math Eco Theory (which was heavy on Optimal Control and Calculus of variations – taught from Leonard & Long and Kamien & Schwartz),
    Quantitative Economic Policy (which was heavy on Itō Calculus), and
    Econometric Theory (heavy on integral calculus, linear algebra and probability).

    Oh… and on a historical note: that first-year Maths subject that I mentioned – it used to be a one-semester unit… it’s now split into 3 subjects, one of which is a second-year subject.

    CREDENTIALISM.

    HAIL KEK (I’m all about Kek today)

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    This was at a university in the top few dozen in the world in the field
     
    Why not write in the 24th?
    , @DFH
    I did a Maths GCSE less than a decade ago. You can see just from looking at the sample questions that getting a pass would require getting at least some number of problems more complex than level 6, therefore if more than half of children got a pass then more than half of children are capable of doing it.
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  126. DFH says:
    @Anonymous
    Texas and Minnesota scored well because of their high amount of German blood which is intermixed with a lot of Jewish blood

    On the East Coast there are soooooo many white people with Ashkenazi blood even if they don't identify as Jews.

    Besides, these IQ numbers still don't match the IQ of Chinese or Ashkenazi Jews. So the poster above who said these white people had the highest test scores were obviously full of it.

    Claiming that everyone is really genetically a Jew must be some strange form of Jew-obsessed monomania I have not encountered before

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    • Replies: @AaronB
    Its quite common among Jews.

    Its sort of like when Europeans would claim Jesus and Buddha were really Aryans, and all culture is created by Aryans, etc.

    People get that way.
    , @Anonymous
    Give me a break.

    Don't white people claim that upper class Latinos are only smart because they are part white? And they do the same thing to American blacks vs African blacks.

    So why would you be so shocked that there is also truth to this in white people?

    Total hypocracy here.
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  127. utu says:
    @Kratoklastes
    You don't understand credentialism, grade inflation and reduced pedagogic standards.

    The number of kiddies who get As (nowadays, A or A*) at GCSE has increased from 8% to 22% since 1988; A* was introduced in 1994 when the number of kiddies getting As changed from about 1 in 12 to about 1 in 8.

    So 'A' is the 'new B' (almost exactly, actually).

    A GCSE 'A' has changed from 'this kid is soundly inside the top decile for this subject' to 'this kid is definitely outside the top 6% (otherwise they would have got an A*). They could be outside the top quintile. They're safely inside the top quartile, though, innit.'.

    GCSE maths is like high school maths everywhere in the West nowadays: it has been shorn of all rigour.

    The same is true for university "Honours": in the UK, 25% of graduates get a First (in 1988 it was 4-10% depending on the institution). In Australia a First now means inside the 4th percentile (at Melbourne Uni Economics they had a tradition to only give a single First: that's gone now). In my year, there were 4 Firsts - a record up to that point, but it was four genuinely outstanding students; a dead-heat for top student (me and my mate Ritch), then 2 others dead-heated 4% lower (two other mates). Some years prior to 1995 there were no Firsts awarded.

    I know this is getting long: might take a whole minute more to finish...

    Back to high school maths and declining standards.

    As far back as the late 90s - before grade inflation really took off - even quasi-élite students were poorly prepared by high school mathematics.

    At the time I was a PhD candidate (in Econometrics, on a 'full ride' merit scholarship).

    To augment our scholarships we were given tutoring positions (3 1-hour tutes a week, plus exam and assignment marking, for a 0.35 full time, full-year salary - easiest money ever). So we were at the 'coal face' - teaching first year Econometrics, which was mandatory (I also tutored third year Applied Econometric Modelling, which was elective - and a cinch to teach because everyone who took it wanted to be there and the chaff had already been winnowed out).

    This was at a university in the top few dozen in the world in the field, which required high school marks solidly in the 5-6% to get into the undergraduate course. The entry requirements also included 2 units of maths (i.e., what we used to refer to as 'Pure' and 'Applied') at Year 12 final exams.

    It's difficult to score in the top decile of high school graduates with 2 maths subjects, unless you get an A in at least one of those subjects.

    With that as background: I had students in first year who didn't know
    what a logarithm was (for fuck's sake);
    • how to differentiate (forget chain and product rules - I mean simple differentiation of a univariate function);
    • how to manipulate powers (e.g., a²/a⁴= ?);
    • basic matrix and vector algebra (the hardest topic would have been Cholesky decomposition of a 5×5 matrix - by hand, because it's 1996).

    These kids were not outliers, or 'special entry' kids - my colleagues reported similar problems with their first-year classes, too.

    In the end my mates and I prepared a bunch of remedial mathematics notes that were distributed widely, and we pre-emptively handed them out during 'O' (Orientation) week in subsequent years.

    Less than 5 years prior to this, my mates and I were undergraduates ourselves: Econometrics was mandatory in first year, but elective subsequently: 'pure' Economics majors dropped it the moment they could.

    Every one of the second-year Econometrics students in our year had done first-year Mathematics (in the Science department) as an elective in first year... because it was free marks. Calculus, linear algebra, first-order differential equations - re-hashing year 11 and 12 maths.

    I know right? I'm old, and I'm one of those "shit was better/harder/tougher when I was younger, waaaaah" types.

    No, not really.

    Standards were higher, and they changed - markedly, radically, downwards - in the middle years of the 1990s.

    I watched it happen in real time: in my Honours year (1995), the person teaching Macroeconomic Theory was forced to "pump the brake" on a really good rigorous Modern Macro course (e.g., one based on Blanchard & Fisher).

    It was a mandatory subject for Honours; a fail meant you were booted with a Pass degree.

    Half the pure-Economics majors had spent their previous 3 years writing essays.

    After the first assignment, in which they did poorly, the pure-Ecotards saw the maths required for the next unit (a basic OLG model).

    They shit themselves, saw the impending train wreck, and agitated for the subsequent assignments and exam to be watered down.

    Faculty held their ground (but they changed the course the following year), but pure-Econometrics and joint Econ/Econometrics majors (i.e., me an my chums) were 'asked' to tutor the essay-writers.

    So we had to babysit these tards (only one of whom got a 'First') while managing a study load that for us included
    Math Eco Theory (which was heavy on Optimal Control and Calculus of variations - taught from Leonard & Long and Kamien & Schwartz),
    Quantitative Economic Policy (which was heavy on Itō Calculus), and
    Econometric Theory (heavy on integral calculus, linear algebra and probability).

    Oh... and on a historical note: that first-year Maths subject that I mentioned - it used to be a one-semester unit... it's now split into 3 subjects, one of which is a second-year subject.

    CREDENTIALISM.

    HAIL KEK (I'm all about Kek today)

    This was at a university in the top few dozen in the world in the field

    Why not write in the 24th?

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    I was being very conservative, or only quite conservative, depending on what measurement is used to determine rankings.

    When I was making decisions after undergrad, my alma mater (Monash) was 4th Econometrics department globally by research output as defined by what was thought to be the appropriate metric at the time - "standardised page count" (i.e., published output, weighted by the relative prestige of the journals in which research output was published).

    That's not an appropriate measure of undergraduate ranking, but was relevant as to whether I went further afield for graduate study (I had a full-ride open ticket to anywhere I wanted to go).

    Of more relevance to grad study for me personally: Monash was outright best in the world - with GTAP at Purdue a good second - for my specialism... Computable General Equilibrium economic modelling. (It's telling that the entire research centre where I was a PhD student moved to a different institution: it was genuinely "the jewel in the crown").

    For teaching, the old girl is currently ranked in the top 50 (#45), having dropped more than a dozen places in the last decade: the university's leadership is MBA types - "never mind the quality, feel the weight of aggregate student fees" - so rigour has declined.
    .
    Anyhow - that's by way of showing that 'top few dozen' is still not over-egging the pudding, even though the department (and the University) is a shadow of its former self. (Technically, I guess 'few' is 'not many but more than 1', which gives the interval [24,...,60(?)]

    Frankly, anyone who graduates in the top handful of students from any of the top 100 universities in a technical discipline should probably be deemed "adequate" a priori in any relevant domain. My mentor finished at the top of his Honours year (in the 60s, at Monash) and did the same in his PhD coursework at Harvard (he finished his PhD the year his supervisor - Leontief - got the Nobel Prize). Other colleagues did likewise.

    I think that's probably true even today: for Econometrics, that would mean all the way 'down' to the likes of Georgetown, McGill, Carnegie-Mellon, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Sciences Po, and Paris I Sorbonne.

    Those from universities ranked #101 onwards? Fucking bums, the lot of 'em.

    HAIL KEK! (I'll get that stupid meme-shit out of my system in the next few days).

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  128. DFH says:
    @Kratoklastes
    You don't understand credentialism, grade inflation and reduced pedagogic standards.

    The number of kiddies who get As (nowadays, A or A*) at GCSE has increased from 8% to 22% since 1988; A* was introduced in 1994 when the number of kiddies getting As changed from about 1 in 12 to about 1 in 8.

    So 'A' is the 'new B' (almost exactly, actually).

    A GCSE 'A' has changed from 'this kid is soundly inside the top decile for this subject' to 'this kid is definitely outside the top 6% (otherwise they would have got an A*). They could be outside the top quintile. They're safely inside the top quartile, though, innit.'.

    GCSE maths is like high school maths everywhere in the West nowadays: it has been shorn of all rigour.

    The same is true for university "Honours": in the UK, 25% of graduates get a First (in 1988 it was 4-10% depending on the institution). In Australia a First now means inside the 4th percentile (at Melbourne Uni Economics they had a tradition to only give a single First: that's gone now). In my year, there were 4 Firsts - a record up to that point, but it was four genuinely outstanding students; a dead-heat for top student (me and my mate Ritch), then 2 others dead-heated 4% lower (two other mates). Some years prior to 1995 there were no Firsts awarded.

    I know this is getting long: might take a whole minute more to finish...

    Back to high school maths and declining standards.

    As far back as the late 90s - before grade inflation really took off - even quasi-élite students were poorly prepared by high school mathematics.

    At the time I was a PhD candidate (in Econometrics, on a 'full ride' merit scholarship).

    To augment our scholarships we were given tutoring positions (3 1-hour tutes a week, plus exam and assignment marking, for a 0.35 full time, full-year salary - easiest money ever). So we were at the 'coal face' - teaching first year Econometrics, which was mandatory (I also tutored third year Applied Econometric Modelling, which was elective - and a cinch to teach because everyone who took it wanted to be there and the chaff had already been winnowed out).

    This was at a university in the top few dozen in the world in the field, which required high school marks solidly in the 5-6% to get into the undergraduate course. The entry requirements also included 2 units of maths (i.e., what we used to refer to as 'Pure' and 'Applied') at Year 12 final exams.

    It's difficult to score in the top decile of high school graduates with 2 maths subjects, unless you get an A in at least one of those subjects.

    With that as background: I had students in first year who didn't know
    what a logarithm was (for fuck's sake);
    • how to differentiate (forget chain and product rules - I mean simple differentiation of a univariate function);
    • how to manipulate powers (e.g., a²/a⁴= ?);
    • basic matrix and vector algebra (the hardest topic would have been Cholesky decomposition of a 5×5 matrix - by hand, because it's 1996).

    These kids were not outliers, or 'special entry' kids - my colleagues reported similar problems with their first-year classes, too.

    In the end my mates and I prepared a bunch of remedial mathematics notes that were distributed widely, and we pre-emptively handed them out during 'O' (Orientation) week in subsequent years.

    Less than 5 years prior to this, my mates and I were undergraduates ourselves: Econometrics was mandatory in first year, but elective subsequently: 'pure' Economics majors dropped it the moment they could.

    Every one of the second-year Econometrics students in our year had done first-year Mathematics (in the Science department) as an elective in first year... because it was free marks. Calculus, linear algebra, first-order differential equations - re-hashing year 11 and 12 maths.

    I know right? I'm old, and I'm one of those "shit was better/harder/tougher when I was younger, waaaaah" types.

    No, not really.

    Standards were higher, and they changed - markedly, radically, downwards - in the middle years of the 1990s.

    I watched it happen in real time: in my Honours year (1995), the person teaching Macroeconomic Theory was forced to "pump the brake" on a really good rigorous Modern Macro course (e.g., one based on Blanchard & Fisher).

    It was a mandatory subject for Honours; a fail meant you were booted with a Pass degree.

    Half the pure-Economics majors had spent their previous 3 years writing essays.

    After the first assignment, in which they did poorly, the pure-Ecotards saw the maths required for the next unit (a basic OLG model).

    They shit themselves, saw the impending train wreck, and agitated for the subsequent assignments and exam to be watered down.

    Faculty held their ground (but they changed the course the following year), but pure-Econometrics and joint Econ/Econometrics majors (i.e., me an my chums) were 'asked' to tutor the essay-writers.

    So we had to babysit these tards (only one of whom got a 'First') while managing a study load that for us included
    Math Eco Theory (which was heavy on Optimal Control and Calculus of variations - taught from Leonard & Long and Kamien & Schwartz),
    Quantitative Economic Policy (which was heavy on Itō Calculus), and
    Econometric Theory (heavy on integral calculus, linear algebra and probability).

    Oh... and on a historical note: that first-year Maths subject that I mentioned - it used to be a one-semester unit... it's now split into 3 subjects, one of which is a second-year subject.

    CREDENTIALISM.

    HAIL KEK (I'm all about Kek today)

    I did a Maths GCSE less than a decade ago. You can see just from looking at the sample questions that getting a pass would require getting at least some number of problems more complex than level 6, therefore if more than half of children got a pass then more than half of children are capable of doing it.

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  129. AaronB says:
    @DFH
    Claiming that everyone is really genetically a Jew must be some strange form of Jew-obsessed monomania I have not encountered before

    Its quite common among Jews.

    Its sort of like when Europeans would claim Jesus and Buddha were really Aryans, and all culture is created by Aryans, etc.

    People get that way.

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  130. @AP
    MA is 1.8% Jewish. The high scores in New England are mostly a Puritan thing, not a Jewish phenomenon.

    I would further note that the Puritan heartlands:

    * Consisted mostly off well to-do yeomen and gentlemen from East Anglia, England’s most prosperous region in the 17th century;
    * Literacy amongst those early Puritans was at 2/3 of the population, relative to 40% in England proper;
    * A disproportionate percentage (relative to population) of eminent intellectuals have hailed from East Anglia and Mass/Conn in both England the US;
    * Harvard University was founded in 1636, when the Puritan population in the America numbered about 40,000 colonists;
    * The region today contains 2-3 of America’s top 5 universities.

    It is a most impressive concentration of human capital.

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    It is a most impressive concentration of human capital.
     
    That judgement is not backed up by the list of prominent Puritans:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Puritans

    Lists of prominent Unitarians and Deists are far more impressive:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unitarians,_Universalists,_and_Unitarian_Universalists

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deists
    , @5371
    "Mostly well to do yeomen and gentlemen" is a wild exaggeration.
    , @gcochran
    Something like 1/6th of Massachusetts ancestry goes back to Puritans.
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  131. @Vishnugupta
    I stated genetic IQ not present IQ which is depressed due to various environmental factors.
    Though given the genetic diversity of a sub continent I await a much more thorough analysis of Indian IQ than Lynn's 82 figure that seems to be taken as the gospel truth.

    Given the fact that descendants of Indian indentured laborers(who originate mostly from Low /Middle castes from the most backward areas of India) in places like Trinidad,Suriname,Mauritius and South Africa score in the low 90s I believe I am being very conservative vis a vis genetic potential IQ of India as a whole.

    I believe AK had written something along these lines a few years back.
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    Yeah, I suspect that you're correct that India's genetic ceiling for its average IQ is around 95. This means that, in theory, India should be capable of enjoying Greece's living standards if it will actually be capable of raising its average IQ to its full genetic potential. This would be an extremely massive improvement over the status quo and thus is something that India should certainly strongly aim for.
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  132. @for-the-record
    Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?

    Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?

    One – it’s the north pole, isn’t it?

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    One – it’s the north pole, isn’t it?

    Finally, some one who has dared to respond!

    Responses can be graded into 4 levels of "intelligence" (0, 1, 2, 3, definitely not to be confused with the PISA levels). Currently you are at Level 1 -- the north pole works, but it represents an infinitesimal part of the solution set.

    For those too lazy to look up the original question:

    Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?

     

    In decades (far too many!) of giving this exam, I have encountered one person of Level 3 intelligence.

    Any one here?
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  133. utu says:
    @Dmitry
    Well questions testing to see if kids can count numbers and multiply. Almost all healthy (not-disabled) people can do this. Questions are too far easy for this age group (15-16 year olds).

    The difficulty is in distractions, irrelevant pictures, and unclear words.

    For example, "Level 4" question is asking them to multiply 3 numbers. Children can usually do this at age 10. It is a question at an 10 year old difficulty level.

    What is the reason for including a picture of a door - why not just ask them to multiply the three numbers? (The only advantage of adding the door picture, is to confused people from countries where these doors do not exist - it's a test of whether your country has this door type, not of multiplication).

    -

    A good exam for this age, would write the questions as clearly as possible, without any culturally dependent distractions.

    If they had actually a topic suitable for 15 year olds, like solving quadratic equation by factorization - they can write the questions normally, but test the children more by choosing larger and more awkward numbers.

    The transnational comparison could still be possible, by keeping simple topics which will be covered in syllabuses of schools in different countries, while making more difficult questions within those same topics.

    There's no reason African children should be culturally resistant to e.g. quadratic equation. It's a universal topic, which 15 year olds around the world are studying.

    I agree. Indoctrinate them in math formalism first to be fluent in it and only then create ‘real life’ problems where math can be applied. When I used to teach and tutor there were many ‘real life’ problems but they were not really original. The original ones you can encounter at math olympiads. You could classify problems into different categories and recognize which math template was needed for each category. One way to help to tutor students who needed to catch up was to teach about the categories so they do not have to form them by themselves through many exercises. This approach reduces the number of problems one must solve to become proficient.

    I think the ‘real life’ problems are created to address a frequent objection some may hear from student and parents nowadays: ‘What is it good for?’ or “Why do I need it?’ The answer to it should be strict and non utilitarian but elitists: ‘This is what education is about. In order to be educated that’s what you need.’ ‘If you want a vocation go to a vocational school or if you want to be a millionaire go to the Who Wants to Be a Millionaire show.’

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  134. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Anonymous
    I would need to see specifics to believe this.

    Most likely white populations that test well will be Jewish or part Jewish. No way South Dakota or Tenessee tests as well.

    Jews aren’t numerous enough to make a significant difference in regards to this, though. Even if Jews are, say, 15% of the total White population in, say, New York and perform a full standard deviation above White Gentiles, they’ll still only add a couple of points to the average IQ of Whites there.

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  135. @Dmitry
    Well questions testing to see if kids can count numbers and multiply. Almost all healthy (not-disabled) people can do this. Questions are too far easy for this age group (15-16 year olds).

    The difficulty is in distractions, irrelevant pictures, and unclear words.

    For example, "Level 4" question is asking them to multiply 3 numbers. Children can usually do this at age 10. It is a question at an 10 year old difficulty level.

    What is the reason for including a picture of a door - why not just ask them to multiply the three numbers? (The only advantage of adding the door picture, is to confused people from countries where these doors do not exist - it's a test of whether your country has this door type, not of multiplication).

    -

    A good exam for this age, would write the questions as clearly as possible, without any culturally dependent distractions.

    If they had actually a topic suitable for 15 year olds, like solving quadratic equation by factorization - they can write the questions normally, but test the children more by choosing larger and more awkward numbers.

    The transnational comparison could still be possible, by keeping simple topics which will be covered in syllabuses of schools in different countries, while making more difficult questions within those same topics.

    There's no reason African children should be culturally resistant to e.g. quadratic equation. It's a universal topic, which 15 year olds around the world are studying.

    This is what TIMSS does (PISA and TIMSS correlate well).

    PISA proxies the sort of problems that one encounters in everyday life, and is arguably a truer test of intelligence.

    Also we don’t really have any truly impoverished and backwards countries like Afghanistan doing PISA. I am sure that plenty of children even in Tunisia or Colombia have seen revolving doors.

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    There is even revolving door syndrom in Tunisia.

    Determinants of the « revolving door » syndrom in tunisian population of patients with schizophrenia
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924933812754858
    , @Dmitry

    I am sure that plenty of children even in Tunisia or Colombia have seen revolving doors.
     
    If the kids are not confused by the question - then how do you explain the lower numbers who get the correct answer?

    At school, if I remember, almost everyone could multiply 4 numbers, and we learn this at about 10 or 11 years old. So "maths" (multiplication) part of this question, is achievable by almost everyone at a much younger age. The difficulty for the kids in this exam, is the confusingly styled question (nothing to do with their multiplication ability).

    If 15-16 year old students are really not almost all able to easily multiply numbers, then I will be wrong and shocked. However, it's far more likely as a problem of incompetence in designing the questions. Now perhaps, not being distracted by the question is a skill in itself - but then it is still another skill.

    , @WorldOfMuppets
    Maybe you could also write a post on the rarely talked about and barely researched phenomenon of gullibility and susceptibility to manipulation, which, for I have observed in many high IQ libertarians, anarcho-capitalists and Holocaust, 9/11 and Oswald-killed-JFK non-skeptics, leading me to think it has seemingly little to do with IQ and Math capabilities.

    Could gullible and easy to manipulate people, unable to see through the bullshit and too lazy and arrogant to research for themselves because the "consensus is" and "occams razor tells me" be basically defined as morons?

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  136. @Anonymous
    That is because the east coast is filled with Ashkenazi Jews which matches their 115 IQ.

    Take a sampling of white people from South Dakota and tell me what you get.

    The 115 number for US Ashkenazim has about the same factual content as the book of Joshua or Misha Defonseca’s riveting Holocaust memoir (or her earlier riveting memoir of being a child victim of satanic ritual sexual abuse).

    Mr Unz has already shown that the numbers are significantly lower than the claimed 115 – it’s somewhere in the masterful “American Pravda” material.

    Also… I’ve said this before: if you want to do some ‘apples vs apples” tests, and test the ‘inherent’ chunk that can be ascribed to Ashkenazim per sedo some testing in a shtetl in the countryside around Lvov.

    That would be fair – it’s the benchmark that generated the data used to paint SSAs as irretrievably backward. Get some kiddies from rural areas, give them fuck-all test prep, and use the resultant statistical bilge to reinforce some deeply-felt need to justify the history of Western paternalism and exploitation.

    I’m sure that Goebells would love to have thought of that:

    “Look – we did IQ tests throughout the parts of the Pale of Settlement that are under the protection of the Reich: the results were pretty awful… turns out that the average shtetl-dweller would be declared feeble-minded under the definition laid out inBuck v Bell 274 US 200 [1927] – the US Supreme court’s 1927 declaration that governments have the right to compulsorily sterilise groups so defined “for the protection of the health of the state”.

    Our considered view is that sterilising is a half-assed solution that is nowhere near ‘Final’ enough (as solutions go).

    Round them up.

    HAIL KEK.

    Jokes aside… the data on race and IQ is obviously problematic – the Irish problem, the Dutch problem (two populations that tested at average IQ of 70-80 in the 50s-70s, but are clearly >100 today). I guess they both get a pass because they’re kinda-white?

    .

    I’m quite a fan of Gilad Atzmon’s “cognitive bifurcation” thesis (it’s not specifically Atzmon’s but he does a very good job of presenting it); I would bet that the raw data for US Ashkenazim would be solidly bimodal – with one mode at 95, and another at 125. It’s super super hard to get hold of that data, though… I wonder why that would be? It’s almost as if nobody wants folks to look at it.

    Bog-standard Ashenazim are as dumb as a bag of hammers; smart Ashkenazim are as smart as smart goyim. Hyper-smart Ashkenazim (IQ above 135) are slightly less rare than hyper-smart goyim. It still makes a difference to outcomes, because group cohesion is a force multiplier for tiny intelligence differentials.

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    I believe that average 115 IQ askenazi Jewish comes from tests given in the NYC public school system in the 1920s for gifted children.

    I’ve never seen any proof of an actual study in which a representative sample of ashkenazi Jews were given an IQ test.
    The average Israeli Jew IQ is 95.

    If anyone knows of a real study done about askenazi jewish IQ please let me know.
    , @Anon
    What’s SSA? There aren’t any Shetls left in Poland.

    A lot of the 1900 Jews who swarmed out of the E European Shetls into the public school systems of our big cities really were above average intelligent. That was very unfortunate because they were communists bent on changing America for the worse. And they succeeded.
    , @JRB
    When I read that apparently IQ in the Netherlands had risen sharply from the fifties to the eighties I was amazed and also surprised. I don't see at all that the generation now in their eighties is >20 IQ points dumber then the generation now in their fifties. I just read in the article of Flynn that the Raven test in question was done in 1952 on 18 year olds. That explains a lots. Those boys were ten year olds in 1944-45. Much of them, especially the ones living in the big cities in Holland, had a full time job scavenging for food and firewood in the period between October 1944 and the Summer of 1945. Also in the northern and eastern provinces these boys had big responsibilities, because all older men (>16 years old) must hide or risk transport to Germany to work there. Lots of those boys were either severely malnourished during those months or lacking basic food ingredients. Apart from that, after this experience many of these boys were less inclined to accept authority and not very well suited for schools anymore. I would not be amazed that the guys who took the tests in 1952 took it far less seriously then the guys who did a same or similar tests in the eighties, when indeed average IQ in the Netherlands among young people was probably much higher then it is now.
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  137. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP
    MA is 1.8% Jewish. The high scores in New England are mostly a Puritan thing, not a Jewish phenomenon.

    Actually, it states here that Massachusetts is 4.0% Jewish:

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-in-the-united-states-by-state

    Of course, since we’re only talking about Massachusetts Whites–who make up perhaps 60% of the total population in Massachusetts–we’re probably thinking of something like 7% Jewish.

    Still, a White population which is 7% Jewish wouldn’t be enough for the Jews to have a significant impact on its average IQ. Indeed, the Jews in such a scenario should only add about one percentage point to the average IQ of Massachusetts Whites.

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    Massachusetts was 73.7% White in 2014, maybe around 65-67% in the age range for the PISA test. Of those roughly 1/3 are full or part-Irish, a group that gets a lot of grief historically for not being as intellectual as other Northern Europeans. Italians (descended from Sicilians and Calabrians) are number two in size, making up over an eight of the total population. The English are a distant third, and I am not sure how many are old stock Colonial Yankees, because from 1850 to 1965 over 2.5 million Englishmen settled in America and many would have ended up in Boston for practical reasons, but most of these were working-class folk who flocked to the textile mills. The next group down are "French", which in this case means French Canadians who came down from Quebec to do all sorts of menial, low-skill labor. Neither Jews nor Boston Brahmins are particularly large segments of the White population in this state, despite their outsized reputation. The Jews who settled up there were not even considered the best of that community, being predominately Litwaks who were seen as far more illiterate and backwards than the German, Austrian, Polish, or Ukrainian Jews.

    Clearly, something very remarkable happened in Massachusetts during the 20th Century that allowed the children of the above groups to achieve such high outcomes in education and cognitive ability, but what that was I am not sure. No one is ever going to claim modern Mass is a pillar of clean, cleared-headed government, so my educated guess is that the communities they were very good at organizing themselves towards self-improvement and economic development in same way many German and Scandinavians communities did out in the Midwest during the same time period.
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  138. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    This is what TIMSS does (PISA and TIMSS correlate well).

    PISA proxies the sort of problems that one encounters in everyday life, and is arguably a truer test of intelligence.

    Also we don't really have any truly impoverished and backwards countries like Afghanistan doing PISA. I am sure that plenty of children even in Tunisia or Colombia have seen revolving doors.

    There is even revolving door syndrom in Tunisia.

    Determinants of the « revolving door » syndrom in tunisian population of patients with schizophrenia

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924933812754858

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  139. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH
    Claiming that everyone is really genetically a Jew must be some strange form of Jew-obsessed monomania I have not encountered before

    Give me a break.

    Don’t white people claim that upper class Latinos are only smart because they are part white? And they do the same thing to American blacks vs African blacks.

    So why would you be so shocked that there is also truth to this in white people?

    Total hypocracy here.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Whites with Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry in the U.S. are, on average, smarter than Whites without such ancestry. That said, though, I don't think that Jewish ancestry should have a significant effect on the average IQ since even a White population which is, say, 10-15% Jewish should only see this Jewish admixture cause an increase of 1-2 points in its average IQ (assuming that Jews perform a full standard deviation above Gentile Whites, that is).

    However, I'm not sure that I would extend this logic to American Blacks versus African Blacks. Yes, American Blacks have White admixture, but it is also possible that this is compensated by a negative selection effect due to slavery. In other words, the Blacks who became slaves might have, on average, been less intelligent than the Blacks who didn't get enslaved.

    , @utu

    Don’t white people claim that upper class Latinos are only smart because they are part white? And they do the same thing to American blacks vs African blacks.
     
    Yes, they do. I mean the ones who acquired the IQ derangement syndrome. Most whites do not think about this stuff.

    I was mistaken thinking you were a Jew. You are a self hating person of color. That's why you are lashing out with the Jew thing to get back at the stupid whites. So I can understand you but acting stupid does not correct or cure the stupidity of others.
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  140. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Probably this article: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-puzzle-of-indian-iq-a-country-of-gypsies-and-jews/

    Also this one by recman1.

    Yeah, I suspect that you’re correct that India’s genetic ceiling for its average IQ is around 95. This means that, in theory, India should be capable of enjoying Greece’s living standards if it will actually be capable of raising its average IQ to its full genetic potential. This would be an extremely massive improvement over the status quo and thus is something that India should certainly strongly aim for.

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    I read both Indian IQ analysis linked from Anatoly and I find both flimsy especially from rec1man.

    I do think Indian IQ is suppressed due to disease, vegetarianism, and pollution. But what do you think will happen to this going forward? Pollution and disease will probably get worse, not better going forward.

    And while I think the food situation can improve in India, I don't think it will improve IQ as much as believed. North Korea is impoverished, but that doesn't mean when their economy improves it will suddenly gain a lot of IQ points. Nor will this apply to Africa.

    All of the proposed mechanism are marginal gains. Not something you can add 5 points here 5 points there until India is a Superpower!

    If we are talking about genetic potential, why not do this with every country and compare the results? We could see Mexico overtake European IQ if they could remove drugs, teen pregnancy, and violent homes right?
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  141. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Anonymous
    Give me a break.

    Don't white people claim that upper class Latinos are only smart because they are part white? And they do the same thing to American blacks vs African blacks.

    So why would you be so shocked that there is also truth to this in white people?

    Total hypocracy here.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Whites with Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry in the U.S. are, on average, smarter than Whites without such ancestry. That said, though, I don’t think that Jewish ancestry should have a significant effect on the average IQ since even a White population which is, say, 10-15% Jewish should only see this Jewish admixture cause an increase of 1-2 points in its average IQ (assuming that Jews perform a full standard deviation above Gentile Whites, that is).

    However, I’m not sure that I would extend this logic to American Blacks versus African Blacks. Yes, American Blacks have White admixture, but it is also possible that this is compensated by a negative selection effect due to slavery. In other words, the Blacks who became slaves might have, on average, been less intelligent than the Blacks who didn’t get enslaved.

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    the Blacks who became slaves might have, on average, been less intelligent than the Blacks who didn’t get enslaved.
     
    That’s a good point.

    Still, it was only a one-off selection, which usually has smaller effects due to reversion to the mean. It was also probably not a very strong selection, because descending from a smaller or militarily weaker tribe doesn’t necessarily imply lower intelligence. There was also a reverse selection: those who survived the Middle Passage had on average lower genetic load (and so higher genetic potential IQ) than those who didn’t. And I bet you smarter slaves were also less likely to be worked to death and probably had higher status and so better access to women. (Although that selection probably went into reverse for the past century.)
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  142. Peasant says:
    @DFH
    Looking at this makes me a little sceptical of how well the PISA tests measure competence (at least in absolute terms).
    For instance, the claim that only such a small percentage of British schoolchildren can do advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs, which require competence in similar levels of Maths.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/aug/24/proportion-of-students-getting-good-gcse-grades-falls-after-reforms

    ‘advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs’

    beleive me there is no such thing as advanced maths on a gcse test. My maths gcse was pretty basic and this was 15 years ago (god knows how easy it would be today with the constant lowering of standards) but I still pulled a bad result (I have a learning disorder which means i am no good at maths). Most people barely scraped by. Private schools in the UK use a supplemental advanced maths test for applications to universities etc.

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  143. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Yeah, I suspect that you're correct that India's genetic ceiling for its average IQ is around 95. This means that, in theory, India should be capable of enjoying Greece's living standards if it will actually be capable of raising its average IQ to its full genetic potential. This would be an extremely massive improvement over the status quo and thus is something that India should certainly strongly aim for.

    I read both Indian IQ analysis linked from Anatoly and I find both flimsy especially from rec1man.

    I do think Indian IQ is suppressed due to disease, vegetarianism, and pollution. But what do you think will happen to this going forward? Pollution and disease will probably get worse, not better going forward.

    And while I think the food situation can improve in India, I don’t think it will improve IQ as much as believed. North Korea is impoverished, but that doesn’t mean when their economy improves it will suddenly gain a lot of IQ points. Nor will this apply to Africa.

    All of the proposed mechanism are marginal gains. Not something you can add 5 points here 5 points there until India is a Superpower!

    If we are talking about genetic potential, why not do this with every country and compare the results? We could see Mexico overtake European IQ if they could remove drugs, teen pregnancy, and violent homes right?

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    The Fields Medal, awarded every 4 years, is called the Nobel Prize of Math, and 5 of the last 8 winners are from “low IQ” countries: 2 indians, 2 iranians and 1 brazilian.

    Methinks winning the Fields Medal trumps scoring high on the PISA test. Yes or no?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal#Fields_medalists

    Btw, the Brazilian winner looks mixed race. In other words part african, like the majority of brazilians. Indians of course are all mixed race as well.
    , @Anon
    India will continue to get worse, as will Mexico, rest of Latin America, Africa, because the smart will continue to leave, leaving the country to be run over by the corrupt, the criminal, sick, poor, old, young, stupid...all thanks to the open border policies of the rich world which exacerbate inequality around the world.

    In the colonial times we robbed the poor countries of their natural resources, now we rob them of their human resources.

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  144. Peasant says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    GCSEs involve years of teaching to the test. Format is predictable, changes little from year to year. Past exams are available for practice.

    In contrast, PISA presents novel problems of the sort one is more likely to encounter in real life.

    You really cannot teach to the test with advanced mathematics. The answer is that there is no such thing as advanced mathematics on a GCSE test. My test was (by international standards) easy and even then I and most others only scraped by with a C. A freind of my sister retook a maths GCSE at age 30 (she is training to be a teacher) and only scraped by with a C.

    The teaching of mathematics outside of private schools in the UK is a horrifyingly bad joke.

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    For anything to first year of university (not actual maths or physics degree in university), this problem is just teaching.

    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course.

    But often teachers are not adequate, or students not attentive, and if something is not clearly explained (and understood and memorized by a child), then the students rapidly become disorientated about things which would seem inherently simple to them if they had been taught well.

    It's not an issue of children being stupid, but of not having all steps clearly explained (and then practiced and memorized, before trying to learn a connected topic).

    , @utu

    You really cannot teach to the test with advanced mathematics.
     
    Believe me, you can. But a student must be very motivated by something like fear and aspirations of his parents.

    Probably you are a case of system failure like most people who think that they do not have what it takes to learn math. With some effort you could have been taught to pass much better than your C. You gave up and the system gave up on you too soon.

    It is much harder to learn to write well than to do math on a moderate level yet most people, particularly those who failed at math, think they are good at writing while they really suck except that they were not flunked for mediocre writing skills while they were flunked for bad math.
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  145. ClarkC says:
    @AaronB
    Who can say? If he blows off the test, we just don't know.

    Isn’t it odd that the lack of effort is not equal across the six categories of questions? If I walk into a test saying, “I don’t care how I do at this test,” why wouldn’t I answer every question by filling in the first oval for each multiple choice question and finish in five minutes?

    This is nonsensical excuse-making.

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    Levels of effort. Areas of interest.

    Use yer brain, mun! (Said with Scottish accent)
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  146. @utu

    This was at a university in the top few dozen in the world in the field
     
    Why not write in the 24th?

    I was being very conservative, or only quite conservative, depending on what measurement is used to determine rankings.

    When I was making decisions after undergrad, my alma mater (Monash) was 4th Econometrics department globally by research output as defined by what was thought to be the appropriate metric at the time – “standardised page count” (i.e., published output, weighted by the relative prestige of the journals in which research output was published).

    That’s not an appropriate measure of undergraduate ranking, but was relevant as to whether I went further afield for graduate study (I had a full-ride open ticket to anywhere I wanted to go).

    Of more relevance to grad study for me personally: Monash was outright best in the world – with GTAP at Purdue a good second – for my specialism… Computable General Equilibrium economic modelling. (It’s telling that the entire research centre where I was a PhD student moved to a different institution: it was genuinely “the jewel in the crown”).

    For teaching, the old girl is currently ranked in the top 50 (#45), having dropped more than a dozen places in the last decade: the university’s leadership is MBA types – “never mind the quality, feel the weight of aggregate student fees” – so rigour has declined.
    .
    Anyhow – that’s by way of showing that ‘top few dozen’ is still not over-egging the pudding, even though the department (and the University) is a shadow of its former self. (Technically, I guess ‘few’ is ‘not many but more than 1‘, which gives the interval [24,...,60(?)]

    Frankly, anyone who graduates in the top handful of students from any of the top 100 universities in a technical discipline should probably be deemed “adequate” a priori in any relevant domain. My mentor finished at the top of his Honours year (in the 60s, at Monash) and did the same in his PhD coursework at Harvard (he finished his PhD the year his supervisor – Leontief – got the Nobel Prize). Other colleagues did likewise.

    I think that’s probably true even today: for Econometrics, that would mean all the way ‘down’ to the likes of Georgetown, McGill, Carnegie-Mellon, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth, Sciences Po, and Paris I Sorbonne.

    Those from universities ranked #101 onwards? Fucking bums, the lot of ‘em.

    HAIL KEK! (I’ll get that stupid meme-shit out of my system in the next few days).

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  147. utu says:
    @Anonymous
    Give me a break.

    Don't white people claim that upper class Latinos are only smart because they are part white? And they do the same thing to American blacks vs African blacks.

    So why would you be so shocked that there is also truth to this in white people?

    Total hypocracy here.

    Don’t white people claim that upper class Latinos are only smart because they are part white? And they do the same thing to American blacks vs African blacks.

    Yes, they do. I mean the ones who acquired the IQ derangement syndrome. Most whites do not think about this stuff.

    I was mistaken thinking you were a Jew. You are a self hating person of color. That’s why you are lashing out with the Jew thing to get back at the stupid whites. So I can understand you but acting stupid does not correct or cure the stupidity of others.

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  148. ClarkC says:
    @utu
    2015 PISA science scores in Canada and Jewish population

    Alberta 541 (0.4% Jews)
    BC 539 (0.8% Jews)
    Quebec 537 (1.2% Jews)
    Ontario 524 (1.8% Jews)
    Nova Scotia 517 (0.3%)
    New Brunswick 506 (0.1% Jews)
    Manitoba 499 (1.2% Jews)
    Saskatchewan 496 (0.2% Jews)

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-2015-United-States.pdf
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Canada

    I do not see correlation between PISA score and Jewish percentage of population.

    But the poster asked for scores only of white students. How do I know the white scores across those Canadian provinces?

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    I do not understand. Explain, pls.
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  149. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    This is what TIMSS does (PISA and TIMSS correlate well).

    PISA proxies the sort of problems that one encounters in everyday life, and is arguably a truer test of intelligence.

    Also we don't really have any truly impoverished and backwards countries like Afghanistan doing PISA. I am sure that plenty of children even in Tunisia or Colombia have seen revolving doors.

    I am sure that plenty of children even in Tunisia or Colombia have seen revolving doors.

    If the kids are not confused by the question – then how do you explain the lower numbers who get the correct answer?

    At school, if I remember, almost everyone could multiply 4 numbers, and we learn this at about 10 or 11 years old. So “maths” (multiplication) part of this question, is achievable by almost everyone at a much younger age. The difficulty for the kids in this exam, is the confusingly styled question (nothing to do with their multiplication ability).

    If 15-16 year old students are really not almost all able to easily multiply numbers, then I will be wrong and shocked. However, it’s far more likely as a problem of incompetence in designing the questions. Now perhaps, not being distracted by the question is a skill in itself – but then it is still another skill.

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  150. utu says:
    @ClarkC
    But the poster asked for scores only of white students. How do I know the white scores across those Canadian provinces?

    I do not understand. Explain, pls.

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  151. @NestorGoldman
    9 minutes of the ride was 26.6km/h and 6 minutes at 30.

    so how do you figure out the average?

    so how do you figure out the average?

    Assuming you’re actually asking a question and not just asking Anon to explain his reasoning, you don’t (figure out the average). You use total distance and total time to calculate average speed. First principles.

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  152. Dmitry says:
    @Peasant
    You really cannot teach to the test with advanced mathematics. The answer is that there is no such thing as advanced mathematics on a GCSE test. My test was (by international standards) easy and even then I and most others only scraped by with a C. A freind of my sister retook a maths GCSE at age 30 (she is training to be a teacher) and only scraped by with a C.

    The teaching of mathematics outside of private schools in the UK is a horrifyingly bad joke.

    For anything to first year of university (not actual maths or physics degree in university), this problem is just teaching.

    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course.

    But often teachers are not adequate, or students not attentive, and if something is not clearly explained (and understood and memorized by a child), then the students rapidly become disorientated about things which would seem inherently simple to them if they had been taught well.

    It’s not an issue of children being stupid, but of not having all steps clearly explained (and then practiced and memorized, before trying to learn a connected topic).

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    'Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course'

    im not sure about this i know i couldnt.

    'But often teachers are not adequate, or students not attentive, and if something is not clearly explained (and understood and memorized by a child), then the students rapidly become disorientated about things which would seem inherently simple to them if they had been taught well'

    I see what you are saying here and I agree. I think the education system in the west has been deliberately sabotaged with bad teachers and a confusing pegadogy.

    My point still stands about GCSE having nothing to do with advanced mathematics though...
    , @Colin Wright
    'For anything to first year of university (not actual maths or physics degree in university), this problem is just teaching.

    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course...'

    I taught high school math for three years, so I think I can comment on this.

    It's true -- to some extent. My experience was that anyone of even moderate intelligence could do well in first-year algebra if it was taught well, he applied himself, and he had the rudiments of arithmetic down.

    On the other hand, I never particularly enjoyed teaching geometry. Some kids just couldn't get it. For those who could, it was a snap, and it probably wasn't terribly important whether my lessons were well-thought out or not.

    , @for-the-record
    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course.

    I don't know what dream world you grew up in, but this is complete rubbish. There are plenty of people, even quite intelligent ones, who no matter how well they were educated could not successfully learn undergraduate engineering and/or computer science.
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  153. Bliss says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I would further note that the Puritan heartlands:

    * Consisted mostly off well to-do yeomen and gentlemen from East Anglia, England's most prosperous region in the 17th century;
    * Literacy amongst those early Puritans was at 2/3 of the population, relative to 40% in England proper;
    * A disproportionate percentage (relative to population) of eminent intellectuals have hailed from East Anglia and Mass/Conn in both England the US;
    * Harvard University was founded in 1636, when the Puritan population in the America numbered about 40,000 colonists;
    * The region today contains 2-3 of America's top 5 universities.

    It is a most impressive concentration of human capital.

    It is a most impressive concentration of human capital.

    That judgement is not backed up by the list of prominent Puritans:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Puritans

    Lists of prominent Unitarians and Deists are far more impressive:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unitarians,_Universalists,_and_Unitarian_Universalists

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deists

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  154. AaronB says:
    @ClarkC
    Isn't it odd that the lack of effort is not equal across the six categories of questions? If I walk into a test saying, "I don't care how I do at this test," why wouldn't I answer every question by filling in the first oval for each multiple choice question and finish in five minutes?

    This is nonsensical excuse-making.

    Levels of effort. Areas of interest.

    Use yer brain, mun! (Said with Scottish accent)

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  155. utu says:
    @Peasant
    You really cannot teach to the test with advanced mathematics. The answer is that there is no such thing as advanced mathematics on a GCSE test. My test was (by international standards) easy and even then I and most others only scraped by with a C. A freind of my sister retook a maths GCSE at age 30 (she is training to be a teacher) and only scraped by with a C.

    The teaching of mathematics outside of private schools in the UK is a horrifyingly bad joke.

    You really cannot teach to the test with advanced mathematics.

    Believe me, you can. But a student must be very motivated by something like fear and aspirations of his parents.

    Probably you are a case of system failure like most people who think that they do not have what it takes to learn math. With some effort you could have been taught to pass much better than your C. You gave up and the system gave up on you too soon.

    It is much harder to learn to write well than to do math on a moderate level yet most people, particularly those who failed at math, think they are good at writing while they really suck except that they were not flunked for mediocre writing skills while they were flunked for bad math.

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    'Believe me, you can'

    No really I have a rare learning disorder that means I am essentially incapable of anything other than basic math.

    'Probably you are a case of system failure like most people who think that they do not have what it takes to learn math'

    I agree with this (though it does not apply to me as such). My twin sister has an iq of 144 (she took one pure ravens progressive matrices test-the only one she ever took and shes one of these people who has been convinced that iq tests are meaningless) and she only got a C in maths.Part of my point was that the teaching of math in the UK is abysmal and was particularly bad in my (otherwise perfectly average) school.

    It is my understanding that Higher Mathematics was alot more abstract than the regular kind and that limited the ability of students to test prep it. Am I incorrect? Let me know.

    'It is much harder to learn to write well than to do math on a moderate level yet most people, particularly those who failed at math, think they are good at writing while they really suck except that they were not flunked for mediocre writing skills while they were flunked for bad math'

    I really think that Math can be drilled very effectively but that higher math (calculas et al) is more abstract and that more people can be taught to write well than can learn advanced maths. Part of the problem with my writing now is the internet and smart phones-these have ruined my punctuation and grmmar.
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  156. Bliss says:
    @Anonymous
    I read both Indian IQ analysis linked from Anatoly and I find both flimsy especially from rec1man.

    I do think Indian IQ is suppressed due to disease, vegetarianism, and pollution. But what do you think will happen to this going forward? Pollution and disease will probably get worse, not better going forward.

    And while I think the food situation can improve in India, I don't think it will improve IQ as much as believed. North Korea is impoverished, but that doesn't mean when their economy improves it will suddenly gain a lot of IQ points. Nor will this apply to Africa.

    All of the proposed mechanism are marginal gains. Not something you can add 5 points here 5 points there until India is a Superpower!

    If we are talking about genetic potential, why not do this with every country and compare the results? We could see Mexico overtake European IQ if they could remove drugs, teen pregnancy, and violent homes right?

    The Fields Medal, awarded every 4 years, is called the Nobel Prize of Math, and 5 of the last 8 winners are from “low IQ” countries: 2 indians, 2 iranians and 1 brazilian.

    Methinks winning the Fields Medal trumps scoring high on the PISA test. Yes or no?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal#Fields_medalists

    Btw, the Brazilian winner looks mixed race. In other words part african, like the majority of brazilians. Indians of course are all mixed race as well.

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    Worth pointing out in this Russian blog: a disproportionately large number of Fields Medal winners are Russians. Disproportionate number of French names among the winners as well.

    East Asians are represented by 2 Chinese, 2 Japanese and 1 Vietnamese.
    , @Cicero2
    Artur Avila, the Brazilian you are referring to may very well have African ancestry, about half of all Brazilians do. How much of his total ancestry is African is up for debate unless he ever bothers to take an autosomal DNA test and publishes the results. Like many of his countrymen, his appearance can change greatly due to the tanning of his skin or the styling of his hair.

    https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/56340/area14mp/25vq6wkd-1407895480.jpg



    http://pictures.ozy.com/pictures/1500xany/2/0/8/77208_GettyImages-455259270.jpg

    https://plus.maths.org/content/sites/plus.maths.org/files/news/2014/Seoul/f3.jpg

    http://www.madrimasd.org/blogs/matematicas/files/2012/08/artur-avila.jpg

    http://www.korea.net/upload/content/editImage/math-140814-1.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YA3eoRn3VcA/maxresdefault.jpg

    All photos of Avila, and showing how radically he can change in appearance from one day to the next.
    , @Anonymous
    No one said that there aren't smart high IQ Indians, so your example does not matter.
    , @AnAnon
    The point of this article isn't that there are no smart people in the 3rd world, but that they make up an insignificant fraction of the total population, and thus can't sustain a high tech economy.
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  157. Peasant says:
    @utu

    You really cannot teach to the test with advanced mathematics.
     
    Believe me, you can. But a student must be very motivated by something like fear and aspirations of his parents.

    Probably you are a case of system failure like most people who think that they do not have what it takes to learn math. With some effort you could have been taught to pass much better than your C. You gave up and the system gave up on you too soon.

    It is much harder to learn to write well than to do math on a moderate level yet most people, particularly those who failed at math, think they are good at writing while they really suck except that they were not flunked for mediocre writing skills while they were flunked for bad math.

    ‘Believe me, you can’

    No really I have a rare learning disorder that means I am essentially incapable of anything other than basic math.

    ‘Probably you are a case of system failure like most people who think that they do not have what it takes to learn math’

    I agree with this (though it does not apply to me as such). My twin sister has an iq of 144 (she took one pure ravens progressive matrices test-the only one she ever took and shes one of these people who has been convinced that iq tests are meaningless) and she only got a C in maths.Part of my point was that the teaching of math in the UK is abysmal and was particularly bad in my (otherwise perfectly average) school.

    It is my understanding that Higher Mathematics was alot more abstract than the regular kind and that limited the ability of students to test prep it. Am I incorrect? Let me know.

    ‘It is much harder to learn to write well than to do math on a moderate level yet most people, particularly those who failed at math, think they are good at writing while they really suck except that they were not flunked for mediocre writing skills while they were flunked for bad math’

    I really think that Math can be drilled very effectively but that higher math (calculas et al) is more abstract and that more people can be taught to write well than can learn advanced maths. Part of the problem with my writing now is the internet and smart phones-these have ruined my punctuation and grmmar.

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  158. Cicero2 says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Actually, it states here that Massachusetts is 4.0% Jewish:

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-in-the-united-states-by-state

    Of course, since we're only talking about Massachusetts Whites--who make up perhaps 60% of the total population in Massachusetts--we're probably thinking of something like 7% Jewish.

    Still, a White population which is 7% Jewish wouldn't be enough for the Jews to have a significant impact on its average IQ. Indeed, the Jews in such a scenario should only add about one percentage point to the average IQ of Massachusetts Whites.

    Massachusetts was 73.7% White in 2014, maybe around 65-67% in the age range for the PISA test. Of those roughly 1/3 are full or part-Irish, a group that gets a lot of grief historically for not being as intellectual as other Northern Europeans. Italians (descended from Sicilians and Calabrians) are number two in size, making up over an eight of the total population. The English are a distant third, and I am not sure how many are old stock Colonial Yankees, because from 1850 to 1965 over 2.5 million Englishmen settled in America and many would have ended up in Boston for practical reasons, but most of these were working-class folk who flocked to the textile mills. The next group down are “French”, which in this case means French Canadians who came down from Quebec to do all sorts of menial, low-skill labor. Neither Jews nor Boston Brahmins are particularly large segments of the White population in this state, despite their outsized reputation. The Jews who settled up there were not even considered the best of that community, being predominately Litwaks who were seen as far more illiterate and backwards than the German, Austrian, Polish, or Ukrainian Jews.

    Clearly, something very remarkable happened in Massachusetts during the 20th Century that allowed the children of the above groups to achieve such high outcomes in education and cognitive ability, but what that was I am not sure. No one is ever going to claim modern Mass is a pillar of clean, cleared-headed government, so my educated guess is that the communities they were very good at organizing themselves towards self-improvement and economic development in same way many German and Scandinavians communities did out in the Midwest during the same time period.

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    I'd say that if there is a difference, it primarily has to do with two or three things. The colleges, hospitals, and also the tech companies on the 128 belt. Basically, some smart people are attracted to the state and have children there. Plus, since housing costs can be high, many people probably move to cheaper states. That is the result of both having been long-settled and also of zoning which requires a certain lot size for houses.

    Where does that legacy of colleges come from? It might come from a mix of the English settlers and geography. Unlike NYC, Boston doesn't really have a major navigable river nearby. The Charles is really quite puny and isn't a highway into a rich agricultural valley like the Hudson is, so just as the North was less agricultural and more mercantile than the South, it could perhaps be said that Boston was less agricultural and more mercantile than NYC.

    Like for example, there was Frederic Tudor who put ice aboard clipper ships and sold it as far away as India in China in the 1830s.
    , @AP
    Good points all, but this:

    Clearly, something very remarkable happened in Massachusetts during the 20th Century
     
    As AK pointed out, this region has an extraordinary literacy level even in the 17th century, when it was a rough frontier environment. Yale and Harvard were founded well before the 20th century. So it seems that those Irish etc. newcomers often assimilated into the established framework.

    Anecdote: Latin is common in public schools in this region, and some of the public secondary schools in New England also offer classical Greek as an elective.
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  159. Peasant says:
    @Dmitry
    For anything to first year of university (not actual maths or physics degree in university), this problem is just teaching.

    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course.

    But often teachers are not adequate, or students not attentive, and if something is not clearly explained (and understood and memorized by a child), then the students rapidly become disorientated about things which would seem inherently simple to them if they had been taught well.

    It's not an issue of children being stupid, but of not having all steps clearly explained (and then practiced and memorized, before trying to learn a connected topic).

    ‘Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course’

    im not sure about this i know i couldnt.

    ‘But often teachers are not adequate, or students not attentive, and if something is not clearly explained (and understood and memorized by a child), then the students rapidly become disorientated about things which would seem inherently simple to them if they had been taught well’

    I see what you are saying here and I agree. I think the education system in the west has been deliberately sabotaged with bad teachers and a confusing pegadogy.

    My point still stands about GCSE having nothing to do with advanced mathematics though…

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  160. Bliss says:
    @Bliss
    The Fields Medal, awarded every 4 years, is called the Nobel Prize of Math, and 5 of the last 8 winners are from “low IQ” countries: 2 indians, 2 iranians and 1 brazilian.

    Methinks winning the Fields Medal trumps scoring high on the PISA test. Yes or no?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal#Fields_medalists

    Btw, the Brazilian winner looks mixed race. In other words part african, like the majority of brazilians. Indians of course are all mixed race as well.

    Worth pointing out in this Russian blog: a disproportionately large number of Fields Medal winners are Russians. Disproportionate number of French names among the winners as well.

    East Asians are represented by 2 Chinese, 2 Japanese and 1 Vietnamese.

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    I think you're actually undermining yourself. Your tenuous arguments - Egyptians were 'Black' despite DNA evidence showing they're overwhelmingly not because of some suspect evidence showing a single pharaoh possibly had Black Y-DNA, Beethoven was Black because...because? - only highlight the lack of Black achievement. It seems like the only ones that have achieved STEM prominence are mostly or at least partially White. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson looks barely a shade darker than Obama. How many pure Bantus have achieved anything of significance?

    As I've noted before, I grew up on the border of a Black neighborhood and attended half Black schools. (There were practically no Blacks in the local private schools, so this was 98-99% of the Black American bell curve). The smartest one in my class had test scores comparable to mine (I don't know exactly who had the higher SATs, though we ended up at the same college - really nice guy fwiw). But for an Ashkenazi I'm just a middling schmuck, barely on the right side of the meaty middle of the Jew-curve. Looking back, I'll never forget how many Blacks struggled to read in their early teens. I mean, you could lock me in a cave and beat me like a dog and I would still learn to read.

    To use the analogy of a man pulling a heavy sack - the man being the intellectual heavy lifters and the sack being the proles or lower - Blacks have too few pulling, and too many in the sack. I grew up with the Black masses, and even if one out of a 100 were Neil deGrasse Tyson you'd still end up with Haiti, the Congo, Detroit, etc.

    So please carry on. I'd like to find out who's Black on the next edition. Maybe Einstein since I've seen evidence that Ashkenazis have a tiny amount of Black admixture. You can tell by that curly hair! His second cousins's mailman's girlfriend described his as dark!

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  161. Cicero2 says:
    @Bliss
    The Fields Medal, awarded every 4 years, is called the Nobel Prize of Math, and 5 of the last 8 winners are from “low IQ” countries: 2 indians, 2 iranians and 1 brazilian.

    Methinks winning the Fields Medal trumps scoring high on the PISA test. Yes or no?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal#Fields_medalists

    Btw, the Brazilian winner looks mixed race. In other words part african, like the majority of brazilians. Indians of course are all mixed race as well.

    Artur Avila, the Brazilian you are referring to may very well have African ancestry, about half of all Brazilians do. How much of his total ancestry is African is up for debate unless he ever bothers to take an autosomal DNA test and publishes the results. Like many of his countrymen, his appearance can change greatly due to the tanning of his skin or the styling of his hair.

    [MORE]

    All photos of Avila, and showing how radically he can change in appearance from one day to the next.

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    Typically I think most Brazilians are tri-racials, with some Amerindian in them as well. That combination gives them a more ambiguous look.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Artur_Avila.jpg

    https://www.as-coa.org/sites/default/files/field/image/avila_thumb.jpg
    , @AP
    Looks to be of about 10% African descent at most. Probably of typical upper class Brazilian background.
    , @Colin Wright
    'All photos of Avila, and showing how radically he can change in appearance from one day to the next.'

    I'm sorry, but all I see are pictures of some white dude.

    Maybe a touch of the ol' tar brush, but evidently not enough to severely impact his IQ.

    I don't know if it extends to intelligence, but what comes through in people of mixed racial background is unpredictable.

    My wife is from El Salvador, and since my daughter got curious and got some genetic tests done, we know she's about two-thirds Indian -- although she doesn't look it. I'm white, it's perhaps needless to say.

    Anyway, our kids... You'd never know Lydia was Hispanic unless she told you -- but she's decidedly short -- 5' 5". The Boy is this brown giant: 6' 2" -- but darker than either me or his mother.

    It's too bad we didn't have more kids. I wonder if we would have gotten small and dark on one of the rounds?
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  162. Bliss says:
    @Cicero2
    Artur Avila, the Brazilian you are referring to may very well have African ancestry, about half of all Brazilians do. How much of his total ancestry is African is up for debate unless he ever bothers to take an autosomal DNA test and publishes the results. Like many of his countrymen, his appearance can change greatly due to the tanning of his skin or the styling of his hair.

    https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/56340/area14mp/25vq6wkd-1407895480.jpg



    http://pictures.ozy.com/pictures/1500xany/2/0/8/77208_GettyImages-455259270.jpg

    https://plus.maths.org/content/sites/plus.maths.org/files/news/2014/Seoul/f3.jpg

    http://www.madrimasd.org/blogs/matematicas/files/2012/08/artur-avila.jpg

    http://www.korea.net/upload/content/editImage/math-140814-1.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YA3eoRn3VcA/maxresdefault.jpg

    All photos of Avila, and showing how radically he can change in appearance from one day to the next.

    Typically I think most Brazilians are tri-racials, with some Amerindian in them as well. That combination gives them a more ambiguous look.

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    It's a matter of degree though. Your average Brazilian triracial varies from about 60% to 80% European, more in the South and South-East, less in the North, North-East, and Central-West. His remaining ancestry is typically some mixture of African and Amerindian, with the former more common near the coastline, and the latter more dominant in the interior.

    Whites make up the next largest group, and they are still a very significant segment of the population. Blacks as a recognizable minority are much smaller. Large-scale intermarriage among the lower classes after the abolition of slavery in 1888 significantly diluted their identity and heritage. Outside of certain regions and cities, Blacks tend to make up less than 6 or 7% of the population. Even Bahia, the state with the closest links to African culture more closely resembles the Dominican Republic than a New World Africa. The Whites in Bahia make up a substantial part of the population because they never left the land or abandoned the cities after the old system fell apart. What happened was that the population (of all colors and phenotypes) adopted elements of African culture, music, and cuisine but also altered it as needed. It has very little parallel with the experience of African-Americans in the United States, and the only neighboring country that sort of resembles it is Venezuela.

    Brazil's birthrate crashed in the late 1990's and has never recovered, and it hit almost all segments of the population equally. It has been rather stable in composition for a long while now. Large scale Venezuelan migration into the North region may be the biggest change to Brazil's demographics in over 50 years, but I wonder if the Brazilians will passively allow themselves to be overrun.

    All of the above probably means little to outsiders who see Brazil as just another Third-World loser country that will never be able to reach its full potential. But within Latin America it is a very distinct bloc with its own unique high culture and folk traditions. It stands out from its neighbors in many positive respects, and rarely fails any harder than they do. The nation is in crisis right now, but my own feeling is that it will be limping along long after most of its rivals are gone. That is the nature of Brazil, a slow and lukewarm but enduring simmer.
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  163. songbird says:
    @Cicero2
    Massachusetts was 73.7% White in 2014, maybe around 65-67% in the age range for the PISA test. Of those roughly 1/3 are full or part-Irish, a group that gets a lot of grief historically for not being as intellectual as other Northern Europeans. Italians (descended from Sicilians and Calabrians) are number two in size, making up over an eight of the total population. The English are a distant third, and I am not sure how many are old stock Colonial Yankees, because from 1850 to 1965 over 2.5 million Englishmen settled in America and many would have ended up in Boston for practical reasons, but most of these were working-class folk who flocked to the textile mills. The next group down are "French", which in this case means French Canadians who came down from Quebec to do all sorts of menial, low-skill labor. Neither Jews nor Boston Brahmins are particularly large segments of the White population in this state, despite their outsized reputation. The Jews who settled up there were not even considered the best of that community, being predominately Litwaks who were seen as far more illiterate and backwards than the German, Austrian, Polish, or Ukrainian Jews.

    Clearly, something very remarkable happened in Massachusetts during the 20th Century that allowed the children of the above groups to achieve such high outcomes in education and cognitive ability, but what that was I am not sure. No one is ever going to claim modern Mass is a pillar of clean, cleared-headed government, so my educated guess is that the communities they were very good at organizing themselves towards self-improvement and economic development in same way many German and Scandinavians communities did out in the Midwest during the same time period.

    I’d say that if there is a difference, it primarily has to do with two or three things. The colleges, hospitals, and also the tech companies on the 128 belt. Basically, some smart people are attracted to the state and have children there. Plus, since housing costs can be high, many people probably move to cheaper states. That is the result of both having been long-settled and also of zoning which requires a certain lot size for houses.

    Where does that legacy of colleges come from? It might come from a mix of the English settlers and geography. Unlike NYC, Boston doesn’t really have a major navigable river nearby. The Charles is really quite puny and isn’t a highway into a rich agricultural valley like the Hudson is, so just as the North was less agricultural and more mercantile than the South, it could perhaps be said that Boston was less agricultural and more mercantile than NYC.

    Like for example, there was Frederic Tudor who put ice aboard clipper ships and sold it as far away as India in China in the 1830s.

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  164. AP says:
    @Cicero2
    Massachusetts was 73.7% White in 2014, maybe around 65-67% in the age range for the PISA test. Of those roughly 1/3 are full or part-Irish, a group that gets a lot of grief historically for not being as intellectual as other Northern Europeans. Italians (descended from Sicilians and Calabrians) are number two in size, making up over an eight of the total population. The English are a distant third, and I am not sure how many are old stock Colonial Yankees, because from 1850 to 1965 over 2.5 million Englishmen settled in America and many would have ended up in Boston for practical reasons, but most of these were working-class folk who flocked to the textile mills. The next group down are "French", which in this case means French Canadians who came down from Quebec to do all sorts of menial, low-skill labor. Neither Jews nor Boston Brahmins are particularly large segments of the White population in this state, despite their outsized reputation. The Jews who settled up there were not even considered the best of that community, being predominately Litwaks who were seen as far more illiterate and backwards than the German, Austrian, Polish, or Ukrainian Jews.

    Clearly, something very remarkable happened in Massachusetts during the 20th Century that allowed the children of the above groups to achieve such high outcomes in education and cognitive ability, but what that was I am not sure. No one is ever going to claim modern Mass is a pillar of clean, cleared-headed government, so my educated guess is that the communities they were very good at organizing themselves towards self-improvement and economic development in same way many German and Scandinavians communities did out in the Midwest during the same time period.

    Good points all, but this:

    Clearly, something very remarkable happened in Massachusetts during the 20th Century

    As AK pointed out, this region has an extraordinary literacy level even in the 17th century, when it was a rough frontier environment. Yale and Harvard were founded well before the 20th century. So it seems that those Irish etc. newcomers often assimilated into the established framework.

    Anecdote: Latin is common in public schools in this region, and some of the public secondary schools in New England also offer classical Greek as an elective.

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    The Irish in greater Boston retained a hard edge into the 1980s. Even as late as 2010 a negro might be verbally abused by low IQ Irish in Southie. Alas they have gone essentially full shitlib at this point, little different from their swine Puritan-descended neighbors, if perhaps not as smart, at the group level.
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  165. AP says:
    @Cicero2
    Artur Avila, the Brazilian you are referring to may very well have African ancestry, about half of all Brazilians do. How much of his total ancestry is African is up for debate unless he ever bothers to take an autosomal DNA test and publishes the results. Like many of his countrymen, his appearance can change greatly due to the tanning of his skin or the styling of his hair.

    https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/56340/area14mp/25vq6wkd-1407895480.jpg



    http://pictures.ozy.com/pictures/1500xany/2/0/8/77208_GettyImages-455259270.jpg

    https://plus.maths.org/content/sites/plus.maths.org/files/news/2014/Seoul/f3.jpg

    http://www.madrimasd.org/blogs/matematicas/files/2012/08/artur-avila.jpg

    http://www.korea.net/upload/content/editImage/math-140814-1.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YA3eoRn3VcA/maxresdefault.jpg

    All photos of Avila, and showing how radically he can change in appearance from one day to the next.

    Looks to be of about 10% African descent at most. Probably of typical upper class Brazilian background.

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    I am guessing closer to 25% African descent. He looks like Kris Humphries of the NBA:

    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/111027074935-kris-humphries-kim-kardashian-1027-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg



    Whose father is african-American:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yyq5MR6lKF4/hqdefault.jpg

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yyq5MR6lKF4

    Which means Kris Humphries is at least 25% african.
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  166. Bliss says:
    @DFH
    Even in New York, Jews are a very small proportion of the population, let alone the entire East Coast. 115 is ludicrous as an estimate for Ashkenazi IQ also.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IooiIKeiRs4/VNbUwq1ZvzI/AAAAAAAAC2E/fxZyPd2Q5-g/s1600/whiteiq.png

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

    Hmm, the 5 states with the most intelligent whites voted for Hillary Clinton while the 5 states with the least intelligent whites voted for Trump.

    Add the fact that Whites with post-graduate degrees voted most heavily for Clinton while whites with the least education voted most heavily for Trump. And all the best colleges and universities in America are located in the Blue Democrat states: the Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Caltech etc

    What conclusions can we draw from that, geniuses?

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    Did you notice that the intelligent whites in those states voted differently from how the state as a whole went? 2 of the top 5 went for Romney in 2012, 2 democrat and 1 is evenly split. And the next 4 out of the top 10 were all for Romney.

    On the basis of white voting only, I think Trump won something like 45 states, so I don't know what conclusions you think you can draw from that other than non-whites like to live in the states with the best universities and not rural farm states.
    , @Colin Wright
    'What conclusions can we draw from that, geniuses?'

    We can conclude that most college graduates are actually dumb shits.

    They voted for Clinton.
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  167. Cicero2 says:
    @Bliss
    Typically I think most Brazilians are tri-racials, with some Amerindian in them as well. That combination gives them a more ambiguous look.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Artur_Avila.jpg

    https://www.as-coa.org/sites/default/files/field/image/avila_thumb.jpg

    It’s a matter of degree though. Your average Brazilian triracial varies from about 60% to 80% European, more in the South and South-East, less in the North, North-East, and Central-West. His remaining ancestry is typically some mixture of African and Amerindian, with the former more common near the coastline, and the latter more dominant in the interior.

    Whites make up the next largest group, and they are still a very significant segment of the population. Blacks as a recognizable minority are much smaller. Large-scale intermarriage among the lower classes after the abolition of slavery in 1888 significantly diluted their identity and heritage. Outside of certain regions and cities, Blacks tend to make up less than 6 or 7% of the population. Even Bahia, the state with the closest links to African culture more closely resembles the Dominican Republic than a New World Africa. The Whites in Bahia make up a substantial part of the population because they never left the land or abandoned the cities after the old system fell apart. What happened was that the population (of all colors and phenotypes) adopted elements of African culture, music, and cuisine but also altered it as needed. It has very little parallel with the experience of African-Americans in the United States, and the only neighboring country that sort of resembles it is Venezuela.

    Brazil’s birthrate crashed in the late 1990′s and has never recovered, and it hit almost all segments of the population equally. It has been rather stable in composition for a long while now. Large scale Venezuelan migration into the North region may be the biggest change to Brazil’s demographics in over 50 years, but I wonder if the Brazilians will passively allow themselves to be overrun.

    All of the above probably means little to outsiders who see Brazil as just another Third-World loser country that will never be able to reach its full potential. But within Latin America it is a very distinct bloc with its own unique high culture and folk traditions. It stands out from its neighbors in many positive respects, and rarely fails any harder than they do. The nation is in crisis right now, but my own feeling is that it will be limping along long after most of its rivals are gone. That is the nature of Brazil, a slow and lukewarm but enduring simmer.

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    All of the above probably means little to outsiders who see Brazil as just another Third-World loser country that will never be able to reach its full potential. But within Latin America it is a very distinct bloc with its own unique high culture and folk traditions. It stands out from its neighbors in many positive respects, and rarely fails any harder than they do. The nation is in crisis right now, but my own feeling is that it will be limping along long after most of its rivals are gone.
     
    No doubt. Brazil will have a better future than Argentina. The 3 most unique, diverse and interesting regions in the Americas are:

    United States
    Brazil
    The Caribbean Islands
    , @songbird
    I'm not sure about the future of Brazil, but I'd guess Venezuela is permanently ruined. Dysgenics, including emigration. The result is that they are unlikely to ever have a functional government. People will not want to move there but will want to move away.

    A pity, since once it was a prosperous country.
    , @Hyperborean
    Brazil is the Land of the Future and always will be.
    , @AB
    I look for America's future, and I see Brazil.
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  168. @Dan Bagrov
    It really is shocking to talk to a person with an IQ under 110. I don’t do it all that often, at least beyond small talk, but it’s always jarring when I get beyond pleasantries and realize that this person really, truly doesn’t understand the concept of “the state” or have a clue about geography or whatever thing I foolishly reference.

    My problem is that I’m often among the dumbest in the room, day to day, so it’s easy to forget that I’m actually smarter than most randomly selected people, and care about more than visual entertainment. Over the years I’ve learned to just shut up and not steer the conversation into “intense” areas. It’s exhausting and a big reason why I gravitate toward the internet. I’m not really all that smart but it’s hard to find a worthwhile conversation with a peer (especially one who won’t crimestop) offline. Thank God for venues like this one!

    I’m not really all that smart but it’s hard to find a worthwhile conversation with a peer (especially one who won’t crimestop) offline.

    I’m puzzled by what is meant by “crimestop” in this context. Sure, I’m aware of the Newspeak concept of crimestop in 1984, but you seem to be using it differently here. If so, please explain. Thanks in advance.

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  169. Bliss says:
    @AP
    Looks to be of about 10% African descent at most. Probably of typical upper class Brazilian background.

    I am guessing closer to 25% African descent. He looks like Kris Humphries of the NBA:

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    Whose father is african-American:

    Which means Kris Humphries is at least 25% african.

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    Brazil’s greatest writer, and probably the greatest writer of prose in the Portuguese language, was also mixed race:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machado_de_Assis

    Joaquim Maria Machado de Assis....was a pioneer Brazilian novelist, poet, playwright and short story writer. Widely regarded as the greatest writer of Brazilian literature, nevertheless he did not gain widespread popularity outside Brazil in his own lifetime. In 1897 he founded and became the first President of the Brazilian Academy of Letters.

    Machado's works had a great influence on Brazilian literary schools of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. In 1941, the Brazilian Academy of Letters founded in his honor the Prêmio Machado de Assis (Machado de Assis Award), the most prestigious literary award in Brazil. For his innovation and audacity in early themes, Assis is often seen as a writer of unprecedented production, being known for his irony and wide vocabulary. Among his most famous works are Dom Casmurro (1899), Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas ("Posthumous Memoirs of Brás Cubas", also translated as Epitaph of a Small Winner) and Quincas Borba (also known in English as Philosopher or Dog).

    https://abrilveja.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/machado-de-assis-aos-25-anos-original.jpeg



    http://f.i.uol.com.br/folha/ilustrada/images/16204656.jpeg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Machado_de_Assis_1904.jpg
    , @AP

    I am guessing closer to 25% African descent. He looks like Kris Humphries of the NBA
     
    Yes, they are indeed similar in appearance and racial features.

    According to wikipedia, Kris Humphries is 25% African-American (his father is half African-American). Since African-Americans are about 80% African, this would make Humphries of 20% African descent.

    So Avila may be 20% African also.
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  170. Saxon says:
    @blatnoi
    So why do foolproof sector workers in the US earn much more than foolproof sector workers in Korea? Or let's say if you take into account medical, maybe they earn the same, but they should earn a lot more based on the difference in the percentage that answered level 6 correctly. Maybe there are diminishing returns in this theory beyond a certain point.

    This is probably where behavioral biology matters. Germanic countries (and the US was definitely founded as one–with refs by several of the founding fathers to their Anglo-Saxon heritage and returning to more ancient ways of being like with the founding of England) are high trust, low corruption, and thus tended to create more efficiency, less waste, less money siphoned off by corruption. It’s a multi-layered issue.

    South Korea is sort of sliding into a new form of Oriental despotism as US influence wanes, and Japan for example has issues that wouldn’t make them blink but would gall someone from a Germanic country, such as certain middlemen-types needing their palms greased often with cash gifts to smooth business transactions.

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    Germanic countries... are high trust, low corruption, and thus tended to create more efficiency, less waste, less money siphoned off by corruption. It’s a multi-layered issue.

    South Korea is sort of sliding into a new form of Oriental despotism as US influence wanes...
     
    https://youtu.be/kWW4xzlrOWQ



    https://youtu.be/xSDHhLCHxV0
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  171. Bliss says:
    @Cicero2
    It's a matter of degree though. Your average Brazilian triracial varies from about 60% to 80% European, more in the South and South-East, less in the North, North-East, and Central-West. His remaining ancestry is typically some mixture of African and Amerindian, with the former more common near the coastline, and the latter more dominant in the interior.

    Whites make up the next largest group, and they are still a very significant segment of the population. Blacks as a recognizable minority are much smaller. Large-scale intermarriage among the lower classes after the abolition of slavery in 1888 significantly diluted their identity and heritage. Outside of certain regions and cities, Blacks tend to make up less than 6 or 7% of the population. Even Bahia, the state with the closest links to African culture more closely resembles the Dominican Republic than a New World Africa. The Whites in Bahia make up a substantial part of the population because they never left the land or abandoned the cities after the old system fell apart. What happened was that the population (of all colors and phenotypes) adopted elements of African culture, music, and cuisine but also altered it as needed. It has very little parallel with the experience of African-Americans in the United States, and the only neighboring country that sort of resembles it is Venezuela.

    Brazil's birthrate crashed in the late 1990's and has never recovered, and it hit almost all segments of the population equally. It has been rather stable in composition for a long while now. Large scale Venezuelan migration into the North region may be the biggest change to Brazil's demographics in over 50 years, but I wonder if the Brazilians will passively allow themselves to be overrun.

    All of the above probably means little to outsiders who see Brazil as just another Third-World loser country that will never be able to reach its full potential. But within Latin America it is a very distinct bloc with its own unique high culture and folk traditions. It stands out from its neighbors in many positive respects, and rarely fails any harder than they do. The nation is in crisis right now, but my own feeling is that it will be limping along long after most of its rivals are gone. That is the nature of Brazil, a slow and lukewarm but enduring simmer.

    All of the above probably means little to outsiders who see Brazil as just another Third-World loser country that will never be able to reach its full potential. But within Latin America it is a very distinct bloc with its own unique high culture and folk traditions. It stands out from its neighbors in many positive respects, and rarely fails any harder than they do. The nation is in crisis right now, but my own feeling is that it will be limping along long after most of its rivals are gone.

    No doubt. Brazil will have a better future than Argentina. The 3 most unique, diverse and interesting regions in the Americas are:

    United States
    Brazil
    The Caribbean Islands

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  172. @Bliss
    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

    Hmm, the 5 states with the most intelligent whites voted for Hillary Clinton while the 5 states with the least intelligent whites voted for Trump.

    Add the fact that Whites with post-graduate degrees voted most heavily for Clinton while whites with the least education voted most heavily for Trump. And all the best colleges and universities in America are located in the Blue Democrat states: the Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Caltech etc

    What conclusions can we draw from that, geniuses?

    Did you notice that the intelligent whites in those states voted differently from how the state as a whole went? 2 of the top 5 went for Romney in 2012, 2 democrat and 1 is evenly split. And the next 4 out of the top 10 were all for Romney.

    On the basis of white voting only, I think Trump won something like 45 states, so I don’t know what conclusions you think you can draw from that other than non-whites like to live in the states with the best universities and not rural farm states.

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    Did you notice that the intelligent whites in those states voted differently from how the state as a whole went?
     
    No I didn’t notice that. Where did you notice that? Give us the link.
    , @Lars Porsena
    Ah, here we go. I don't know why I couldn't find it before I posted my comment. 2008/2012/2016.

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2009/11/2008-presidential-election-electoral.html

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2012/11/2012-electoral-maps-by-sex-race-and_12.html

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2018/05/trumps-2016-white-vote-share-by-state.html
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  173. songbird says:
    @Cicero2
    It's a matter of degree though. Your average Brazilian triracial varies from about 60% to 80% European, more in the South and South-East, less in the North, North-East, and Central-West. His remaining ancestry is typically some mixture of African and Amerindian, with the former more common near the coastline, and the latter more dominant in the interior.

    Whites make up the next largest group, and they are still a very significant segment of the population. Blacks as a recognizable minority are much smaller. Large-scale intermarriage among the lower classes after the abolition of slavery in 1888 significantly diluted their identity and heritage. Outside of certain regions and cities, Blacks tend to make up less than 6 or 7% of the population. Even Bahia, the state with the closest links to African culture more closely resembles the Dominican Republic than a New World Africa. The Whites in Bahia make up a substantial part of the population because they never left the land or abandoned the cities after the old system fell apart. What happened was that the population (of all colors and phenotypes) adopted elements of African culture, music, and cuisine but also altered it as needed. It has very little parallel with the experience of African-Americans in the United States, and the only neighboring country that sort of resembles it is Venezuela.

    Brazil's birthrate crashed in the late 1990's and has never recovered, and it hit almost all segments of the population equally. It has been rather stable in composition for a long while now. Large scale Venezuelan migration into the North region may be the biggest change to Brazil's demographics in over 50 years, but I wonder if the Brazilians will passively allow themselves to be overrun.

    All of the above probably means little to outsiders who see Brazil as just another Third-World loser country that will never be able to reach its full potential. But within Latin America it is a very distinct bloc with its own unique high culture and folk traditions. It stands out from its neighbors in many positive respects, and rarely fails any harder than they do. The nation is in crisis right now, but my own feeling is that it will be limping along long after most of its rivals are gone. That is the nature of Brazil, a slow and lukewarm but enduring simmer.

    I’m not sure about the future of Brazil, but I’d guess Venezuela is permanently ruined. Dysgenics, including emigration. The result is that they are unlikely to ever have a functional government. People will not want to move there but will want to move away.

    A pity, since once it was a prosperous country.

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  174. Bliss says:
    @Bliss
    I am guessing closer to 25% African descent. He looks like Kris Humphries of the NBA:

    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/111027074935-kris-humphries-kim-kardashian-1027-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg



    Whose father is african-American:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yyq5MR6lKF4/hqdefault.jpg

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yyq5MR6lKF4

    Which means Kris Humphries is at least 25% african.

    Brazil’s greatest writer, and probably the greatest writer of prose in the Portuguese language, was also mixed race:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machado_de_Assis

    Joaquim Maria Machado de Assis….was a pioneer Brazilian novelist, poet, playwright and short story writer. Widely regarded as the greatest writer of Brazilian literature, nevertheless he did not gain widespread popularity outside Brazil in his own lifetime. In 1897 he founded and became the first President of the Brazilian Academy of Letters.

    Machado’s works had a great influence on Brazilian literary schools of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. In 1941, the Brazilian Academy of Letters founded in his honor the Prêmio Machado de Assis (Machado de Assis Award), the most prestigious literary award in Brazil. For his innovation and audacity in early themes, Assis is often seen as a writer of unprecedented production, being known for his irony and wide vocabulary. Among his most famous works are Dom Casmurro (1899), Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas (“Posthumous Memoirs of Brás Cubas”, also translated as Epitaph of a Small Winner) and Quincas Borba (also known in English as Philosopher or Dog).

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  175. Bliss says:
    @Lars Porsena
    Did you notice that the intelligent whites in those states voted differently from how the state as a whole went? 2 of the top 5 went for Romney in 2012, 2 democrat and 1 is evenly split. And the next 4 out of the top 10 were all for Romney.

    On the basis of white voting only, I think Trump won something like 45 states, so I don't know what conclusions you think you can draw from that other than non-whites like to live in the states with the best universities and not rural farm states.

    Did you notice that the intelligent whites in those states voted differently from how the state as a whole went?

    No I didn’t notice that. Where did you notice that? Give us the link.

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    It is there in the link you linked you. Red means voted for Romney, blue means Obama, white vote only.

    D.C. and Massachusetts are blue, New Jersey and Maryland red, Connecticut is 49%/49% in the top 5.

    See my reply to myself above for links to maps at the same website for 2008, 2012 and 2016.

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  176. @Lars Porsena
    Did you notice that the intelligent whites in those states voted differently from how the state as a whole went? 2 of the top 5 went for Romney in 2012, 2 democrat and 1 is evenly split. And the next 4 out of the top 10 were all for Romney.

    On the basis of white voting only, I think Trump won something like 45 states, so I don't know what conclusions you think you can draw from that other than non-whites like to live in the states with the best universities and not rural farm states.
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    Thanks.

    Considering that Trump won the national white vote by a landslide it is telling that he lost the white vote by a landslide in the 2 states with the highest white IQ: DC and Massachusetts where he got only 36.3% and 40.8% of the white vote respectively. In Connecticut he got 48% of the white vote. In New Jersey he got 50.4% and in Maryland 51.9%.

    In stark contrast here are his percentages of the white vote in the lowest white IQ states, ranking from lowest IQ:

    West Virginia 68.7%
    Alabama.........77.2%
    Oklahoma.......65.5%
    Mississippi..... 81.5%
    Arkansas ........71.4%

    What a huge difference between the highest and lowest white IQ states. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and likelihood of voting Democrat among white Americans.
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  177. @AP
    Good points all, but this:

    Clearly, something very remarkable happened in Massachusetts during the 20th Century
     
    As AK pointed out, this region has an extraordinary literacy level even in the 17th century, when it was a rough frontier environment. Yale and Harvard were founded well before the 20th century. So it seems that those Irish etc. newcomers often assimilated into the established framework.

    Anecdote: Latin is common in public schools in this region, and some of the public secondary schools in New England also offer classical Greek as an elective.

    The Irish in greater Boston retained a hard edge into the 1980s. Even as late as 2010 a negro might be verbally abused by low IQ Irish in Southie. Alas they have gone essentially full shitlib at this point, little different from their swine Puritan-descended neighbors, if perhaps not as smart, at the group level.

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    There is an actual Irish-American ghetto in southern Boston but most Irish in New England do not live like that. Many of them seem to have assimilated with the Puritans long before this decade (the Kennedy clan are famous examples).
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  178. @Bliss

    Did you notice that the intelligent whites in those states voted differently from how the state as a whole went?
     
    No I didn’t notice that. Where did you notice that? Give us the link.

    It is there in the link you linked you. Red means voted for Romney, blue means Obama, white vote only.

    D.C. and Massachusetts are blue, New Jersey and Maryland red, Connecticut is 49%/49% in the top 5.

    See my reply to myself above for links to maps at the same website for 2008, 2012 and 2016.

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  179. AP says:
    @Dan Bagrov
    The Irish in greater Boston retained a hard edge into the 1980s. Even as late as 2010 a negro might be verbally abused by low IQ Irish in Southie. Alas they have gone essentially full shitlib at this point, little different from their swine Puritan-descended neighbors, if perhaps not as smart, at the group level.

    There is an actual Irish-American ghetto in southern Boston but most Irish in New England do not live like that. Many of them seem to have assimilated with the Puritans long before this decade (the Kennedy clan are famous examples).

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  180. AP says:
    @Bliss
    I am guessing closer to 25% African descent. He looks like Kris Humphries of the NBA:

    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/111027074935-kris-humphries-kim-kardashian-1027-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg



    Whose father is african-American:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yyq5MR6lKF4/hqdefault.jpg

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yyq5MR6lKF4

    Which means Kris Humphries is at least 25% african.

    I am guessing closer to 25% African descent. He looks like Kris Humphries of the NBA

    Yes, they are indeed similar in appearance and racial features.

    According to wikipedia, Kris Humphries is 25% African-American (his father is half African-American). Since African-Americans are about 80% African, this would make Humphries of 20% African descent.

    So Avila may be 20% African also.

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    Did some googling and could not find any hint anywhere of him being mulatto. There are many interviews with Artur Avila and his race is never discussed.
    , @Bliss
    What percent african do you think this Haitian basketball coach is?



    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/13/213b9bd5-8c63-5232-a8c0-73d54a01d388/5500522090125.image.jpg

    Divide that by 2 and that would be how african his son, NBA star Blake Griffin, is. Blake is very often mistaken for Kris Humphries. Here he is with his parents:

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/ae8de0d994d996aa84a0a59382a18965/tumblr_mk17jv4pU41rk1fawo1_500.jpg
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  181. Bliss says:
    @Lars Porsena
    Ah, here we go. I don't know why I couldn't find it before I posted my comment. 2008/2012/2016.

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2009/11/2008-presidential-election-electoral.html

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2012/11/2012-electoral-maps-by-sex-race-and_12.html

    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2018/05/trumps-2016-white-vote-share-by-state.html

    Thanks.

    Considering that Trump won the national white vote by a landslide it is telling that he lost the white vote by a landslide in the 2 states with the highest white IQ: DC and Massachusetts where he got only 36.3% and 40.8% of the white vote respectively. In Connecticut he got 48% of the white vote. In New Jersey he got 50.4% and in Maryland 51.9%.

    In stark contrast here are his percentages of the white vote in the lowest white IQ states, ranking from lowest IQ:

    West Virginia 68.7%
    Alabama………77.2%
    Oklahoma…….65.5%
    Mississippi….. 81.5%
    Arkansas ……..71.4%

    What a huge difference between the highest and lowest white IQ states. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and likelihood of voting Democrat among white Americans.

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    You're forcing it to be there because you want to see it man (or maybe just because you want to call your political opponents dumb).

    Check the map at the bottom of the 2016 results that separates women out of it (and it's mostly unmarried women who want the state to be their beta orbiting boyfriend).

    If only white males voted, the only places Clinton wins is D.C, Oregon, Hawaii, and New Hampshire for 18 electoral votes to 520.

    And DC has other reasons to vote Clinton, they are the establishment.

    Even with women in the picture, Trump carried the white vote of 37 out of 50 states.

    Of the 13 states he did not win, 10 are in the top 25 of IQ ranks, but his vote ranges from 36.3% to 49.9%, with 10 of the 13 in the 40s and 7 of the 13 over 45%. And this is counting DC as a state. DC is the establishment, we're talking about who James Comey and Mueller voted for here.

    Of the top 10 out of 50 states for IQ, Trump carried 5. So Trump cleaned house with stupid states but he still split the top 10 smartest evenly, including 2 of the top 5 counting DC (or 3 of the top 5 and 6 of top 10 not counting DC).
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Considering that Trump won the national white vote by a landslide it is telling that he lost the white vote by a landslide in the 2 states...'

    Sorting the vote by state is a fallacy in the first place. It was urban area -- Clinton, rural areas -- Trump.

    Take two states: Missouri and Oregon. Missouri went for Trump, Oregon for Clinton. However, in both cases, the urban areas went for Clinton while the rural areas went for Trump. In Missouri it was Saint Louis and Kansas City for Clinton, everywhere else for Trump. In Oregon, it was Portlandia and Eugene for Clinton, everywhere else for Trump. The distinction was that Portlandia plus Eugene outweighed the rest of Oregon, but Saint Louis plus Kansas City did not outweigh the rest of Missouri. Heck, here in Douglas County, in 'blue' Oregon, Trump outpolled Clinton 66% to 25%. But then, the biggest town in the county only has twenty thousand people.

    Look the electoral maps. Aside from such outliers as California and Massachusetts, it was practically universal. Like, I was following the returns on election night. Washington State was going for Trump!

    I practically jumped out of my chair. Then I checked out what parts of Washington State were going for Trump. Oh: the Puget Sound urban areas haven't checked in yet. So much for that.
    , @AP

    What a huge difference between the highest and lowest white IQ states. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and likelihood of voting Democrat among white Americans
     
    It's a Trump and class thing, not a "Democrat" vs. "Republican" issue. High IQ whites voted heavily for Romney. They benefit from policies that Trump opposes, such as immigration of unskilled people (driving down cost of labor, making lawn work and home reno cheaper) and foreign manufacturing (making consumer goods cheaper) that harm less educated white people, and don't face the consequences - those low-skilled immigrants aren't moving into neighborhoods were wealthy high IQ whites live.
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  182. Anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I read both Indian IQ analysis linked from Anatoly and I find both flimsy especially from rec1man.

    I do think Indian IQ is suppressed due to disease, vegetarianism, and pollution. But what do you think will happen to this going forward? Pollution and disease will probably get worse, not better going forward.

    And while I think the food situation can improve in India, I don't think it will improve IQ as much as believed. North Korea is impoverished, but that doesn't mean when their economy improves it will suddenly gain a lot of IQ points. Nor will this apply to Africa.

    All of the proposed mechanism are marginal gains. Not something you can add 5 points here 5 points there until India is a Superpower!

    If we are talking about genetic potential, why not do this with every country and compare the results? We could see Mexico overtake European IQ if they could remove drugs, teen pregnancy, and violent homes right?

    India will continue to get worse, as will Mexico, rest of Latin America, Africa, because the smart will continue to leave, leaving the country to be run over by the corrupt, the criminal, sick, poor, old, young, stupid…all thanks to the open border policies of the rich world which exacerbate inequality around the world.

    In the colonial times we robbed the poor countries of their natural resources, now we rob them of their human resources.

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    '...In the colonial times we robbed the poor countries of their natural resources, now we rob them of their human resources.'

    In that case, I for one wish to immediately repent and go and sin no more. If we go further and repatriate all of the arrivals, will that make amends?
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  183. @Bliss
    Thanks.

    Considering that Trump won the national white vote by a landslide it is telling that he lost the white vote by a landslide in the 2 states with the highest white IQ: DC and Massachusetts where he got only 36.3% and 40.8% of the white vote respectively. In Connecticut he got 48% of the white vote. In New Jersey he got 50.4% and in Maryland 51.9%.

    In stark contrast here are his percentages of the white vote in the lowest white IQ states, ranking from lowest IQ:

    West Virginia 68.7%
    Alabama.........77.2%
    Oklahoma.......65.5%
    Mississippi..... 81.5%
    Arkansas ........71.4%

    What a huge difference between the highest and lowest white IQ states. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and likelihood of voting Democrat among white Americans.

    You’re forcing it to be there because you want to see it man (or maybe just because you want to call your political opponents dumb).

    Check the map at the bottom of the 2016 results that separates women out of it (and it’s mostly unmarried women who want the state to be their beta orbiting boyfriend).

    If only white males voted, the only places Clinton wins is D.C, Oregon, Hawaii, and New Hampshire for 18 electoral votes to 520.

    And DC has other reasons to vote Clinton, they are the establishment.

    Even with women in the picture, Trump carried the white vote of 37 out of 50 states.

    Of the 13 states he did not win, 10 are in the top 25 of IQ ranks, but his vote ranges from 36.3% to 49.9%, with 10 of the 13 in the 40s and 7 of the 13 over 45%. And this is counting DC as a state. DC is the establishment, we’re talking about who James Comey and Mueller voted for here.

    Of the top 10 out of 50 states for IQ, Trump carried 5. So Trump cleaned house with stupid states but he still split the top 10 smartest evenly, including 2 of the top 5 counting DC (or 3 of the top 5 and 6 of top 10 not counting DC).

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  184. @Thorfinnsson
    I think Karlin is converging on my elitist "nationalism". The proles require leadership and noblesse oblige.

    It should not be forgotten that they have have very useful specific knowledge and skills and are often immune to "clever sillies" nonsense. I have double digit IQ employees who can work miracles with their hands.

    Our task is to mobilize them as soldiers to crush and replace existing elites with ourselves.

    ‘…Our task is to mobilize them as soldiers to crush and replace existing elites with ourselves.’

    Nice to hear someone else with some common sense.

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  185. @Anon
    India will continue to get worse, as will Mexico, rest of Latin America, Africa, because the smart will continue to leave, leaving the country to be run over by the corrupt, the criminal, sick, poor, old, young, stupid...all thanks to the open border policies of the rich world which exacerbate inequality around the world.

    In the colonial times we robbed the poor countries of their natural resources, now we rob them of their human resources.

    ‘…In the colonial times we robbed the poor countries of their natural resources, now we rob them of their human resources.’

    In that case, I for one wish to immediately repent and go and sin no more. If we go further and repatriate all of the arrivals, will that make amends?

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  186. @Bliss
    Thanks.

    Considering that Trump won the national white vote by a landslide it is telling that he lost the white vote by a landslide in the 2 states with the highest white IQ: DC and Massachusetts where he got only 36.3% and 40.8% of the white vote respectively. In Connecticut he got 48% of the white vote. In New Jersey he got 50.4% and in Maryland 51.9%.

    In stark contrast here are his percentages of the white vote in the lowest white IQ states, ranking from lowest IQ:

    West Virginia 68.7%
    Alabama.........77.2%
    Oklahoma.......65.5%
    Mississippi..... 81.5%
    Arkansas ........71.4%

    What a huge difference between the highest and lowest white IQ states. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and likelihood of voting Democrat among white Americans.

    ‘…Considering that Trump won the national white vote by a landslide it is telling that he lost the white vote by a landslide in the 2 states…’

    Sorting the vote by state is a fallacy in the first place. It was urban area — Clinton, rural areas — Trump.

    Take two states: Missouri and Oregon. Missouri went for Trump, Oregon for Clinton. However, in both cases, the urban areas went for Clinton while the rural areas went for Trump. In Missouri it was Saint Louis and Kansas City for Clinton, everywhere else for Trump. In Oregon, it was Portlandia and Eugene for Clinton, everywhere else for Trump. The distinction was that Portlandia plus Eugene outweighed the rest of Oregon, but Saint Louis plus Kansas City did not outweigh the rest of Missouri. Heck, here in Douglas County, in ‘blue’ Oregon, Trump outpolled Clinton 66% to 25%. But then, the biggest town in the county only has twenty thousand people.

    Look the electoral maps. Aside from such outliers as California and Massachusetts, it was practically universal. Like, I was following the returns on election night. Washington State was going for Trump!

    I practically jumped out of my chair. Then I checked out what parts of Washington State were going for Trump. Oh: the Puget Sound urban areas haven’t checked in yet. So much for that.

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  187. @Bliss
    https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

    Hmm, the 5 states with the most intelligent whites voted for Hillary Clinton while the 5 states with the least intelligent whites voted for Trump.

    Add the fact that Whites with post-graduate degrees voted most heavily for Clinton while whites with the least education voted most heavily for Trump. And all the best colleges and universities in America are located in the Blue Democrat states: the Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Caltech etc

    What conclusions can we draw from that, geniuses?

    ‘What conclusions can we draw from that, geniuses?’

    We can conclude that most college graduates are actually dumb shits.

    They voted for Clinton.

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    We can conclude that most college graduates are actually dumb shits. They voted for Clinton.
     
    Also: among non-hispanic whites the voters with post-graduate degrees voted the most overwhelmingly for Clinton, while those without even a high school diploma voted for Trump by the biggest margin. Clearly there is a correlation between years of education and likelihood of voting Democrat, among white voters.

    Earlier I showed a similar positive correlation between higher IQ and voting Democrat, among non-hispanic whites. So Democrats/Liberals have a significant built-in advantage among higher IQ and better educated white Americans.

    In Western Europe too, the Conservatives are significantly dumber than the Progressives. The Far Right being the dumbest.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    With grade inflation and affirmative action and worthless subjects like Womens Studies, AfAm Studies, AsAm studies, yes, most college graduates are pretty dumb.

    There is also the problem that many of them are followers and just not independent thinkers.
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  188. utu says:
    @AP

    I am guessing closer to 25% African descent. He looks like Kris Humphries of the NBA
     
    Yes, they are indeed similar in appearance and racial features.

    According to wikipedia, Kris Humphries is 25% African-American (his father is half African-American). Since African-Americans are about 80% African, this would make Humphries of 20% African descent.

    So Avila may be 20% African also.

    Did some googling and could not find any hint anywhere of him being mulatto. There are many interviews with Artur Avila and his race is never discussed.

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    I'm guessing he is of old Brazilian stock so the mixing would have occurred many generations ago, involves African ancestry from various lines, and probably is the result of the overall genetic background of that population rather than some specific grandparent or great-grandparent. But I don't know.
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  189. @Dmitry
    For anything to first year of university (not actual maths or physics degree in university), this problem is just teaching.

    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course.

    But often teachers are not adequate, or students not attentive, and if something is not clearly explained (and understood and memorized by a child), then the students rapidly become disorientated about things which would seem inherently simple to them if they had been taught well.

    It's not an issue of children being stupid, but of not having all steps clearly explained (and then practiced and memorized, before trying to learn a connected topic).

    ‘For anything to first year of university (not actual maths or physics degree in university), this problem is just teaching.

    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course…’

    I taught high school math for three years, so I think I can comment on this.

    It’s true — to some extent. My experience was that anyone of even moderate intelligence could do well in first-year algebra if it was taught well, he applied himself, and he had the rudiments of arithmetic down.

    On the other hand, I never particularly enjoyed teaching geometry. Some kids just couldn’t get it. For those who could, it was a snap, and it probably wasn’t terribly important whether my lessons were well-thought out or not.

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  190. @Cicero2
    It's a matter of degree though. Your average Brazilian triracial varies from about 60% to 80% European, more in the South and South-East, less in the North, North-East, and Central-West. His remaining ancestry is typically some mixture of African and Amerindian, with the former more common near the coastline, and the latter more dominant in the interior.

    Whites make up the next largest group, and they are still a very significant segment of the population. Blacks as a recognizable minority are much smaller. Large-scale intermarriage among the lower classes after the abolition of slavery in 1888 significantly diluted their identity and heritage. Outside of certain regions and cities, Blacks tend to make up less than 6 or 7% of the population. Even Bahia, the state with the closest links to African culture more closely resembles the Dominican Republic than a New World Africa. The Whites in Bahia make up a substantial part of the population because they never left the land or abandoned the cities after the old system fell apart. What happened was that the population (of all colors and phenotypes) adopted elements of African culture, music, and cuisine but also altered it as needed. It has very little parallel with the experience of African-Americans in the United States, and the only neighboring country that sort of resembles it is Venezuela.

    Brazil's birthrate crashed in the late 1990's and has never recovered, and it hit almost all segments of the population equally. It has been rather stable in composition for a long while now. Large scale Venezuelan migration into the North region may be the biggest change to Brazil's demographics in over 50 years, but I wonder if the Brazilians will passively allow themselves to be overrun.

    All of the above probably means little to outsiders who see Brazil as just another Third-World loser country that will never be able to reach its full potential. But within Latin America it is a very distinct bloc with its own unique high culture and folk traditions. It stands out from its neighbors in many positive respects, and rarely fails any harder than they do. The nation is in crisis right now, but my own feeling is that it will be limping along long after most of its rivals are gone. That is the nature of Brazil, a slow and lukewarm but enduring simmer.

    Brazil is the Land of the Future and always will be.

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    Brazil is the Land of the Future and always will be.
     
    Well, I don't believe Brazil will ever be any kind of great power, but at least they can be fun.

    Bolsonaro's antics have been fun to watch, like a Brazilian Zhirinovsky or Duterte.

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  191. @Cicero2
    Artur Avila, the Brazilian you are referring to may very well have African ancestry, about half of all Brazilians do. How much of his total ancestry is African is up for debate unless he ever bothers to take an autosomal DNA test and publishes the results. Like many of his countrymen, his appearance can change greatly due to the tanning of his skin or the styling of his hair.

    https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/56340/area14mp/25vq6wkd-1407895480.jpg



    http://pictures.ozy.com/pictures/1500xany/2/0/8/77208_GettyImages-455259270.jpg

    https://plus.maths.org/content/sites/plus.maths.org/files/news/2014/Seoul/f3.jpg

    http://www.madrimasd.org/blogs/matematicas/files/2012/08/artur-avila.jpg

    http://www.korea.net/upload/content/editImage/math-140814-1.jpg

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YA3eoRn3VcA/maxresdefault.jpg

    All photos of Avila, and showing how radically he can change in appearance from one day to the next.

    ‘All photos of Avila, and showing how radically he can change in appearance from one day to the next.’

    I’m sorry, but all I see are pictures of some white dude.

    Maybe a touch of the ol’ tar brush, but evidently not enough to severely impact his IQ.

    I don’t know if it extends to intelligence, but what comes through in people of mixed racial background is unpredictable.

    My wife is from El Salvador, and since my daughter got curious and got some genetic tests done, we know she’s about two-thirds Indian — although she doesn’t look it. I’m white, it’s perhaps needless to say.

    Anyway, our kids… You’d never know Lydia was Hispanic unless she told you — but she’s decidedly short — 5′ 5″. The Boy is this brown giant: 6′ 2″ — but darker than either me or his mother.

    It’s too bad we didn’t have more kids. I wonder if we would have gotten small and dark on one of the rounds?

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  192. AP says:
    @utu
    Did some googling and could not find any hint anywhere of him being mulatto. There are many interviews with Artur Avila and his race is never discussed.

    I’m guessing he is of old Brazilian stock so the mixing would have occurred many generations ago, involves African ancestry from various lines, and probably is the result of the overall genetic background of that population rather than some specific grandparent or great-grandparent. But I don’t know.

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  193. AP says:
    @Bliss
    Thanks.

    Considering that Trump won the national white vote by a landslide it is telling that he lost the white vote by a landslide in the 2 states with the highest white IQ: DC and Massachusetts where he got only 36.3% and 40.8% of the white vote respectively. In Connecticut he got 48% of the white vote. In New Jersey he got 50.4% and in Maryland 51.9%.

    In stark contrast here are his percentages of the white vote in the lowest white IQ states, ranking from lowest IQ:

    West Virginia 68.7%
    Alabama.........77.2%
    Oklahoma.......65.5%
    Mississippi..... 81.5%
    Arkansas ........71.4%

    What a huge difference between the highest and lowest white IQ states. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and likelihood of voting Democrat among white Americans.

    What a huge difference between the highest and lowest white IQ states. There seems to be a correlation between IQ and likelihood of voting Democrat among white Americans

    It’s a Trump and class thing, not a “Democrat” vs. “Republican” issue. High IQ whites voted heavily for Romney. They benefit from policies that Trump opposes, such as immigration of unskilled people (driving down cost of labor, making lawn work and home reno cheaper) and foreign manufacturing (making consumer goods cheaper) that harm less educated white people, and don’t face the consequences – those low-skilled immigrants aren’t moving into neighborhoods were wealthy high IQ whites live.

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  194. Bliss says:
    @AP

    I am guessing closer to 25% African descent. He looks like Kris Humphries of the NBA
     
    Yes, they are indeed similar in appearance and racial features.

    According to wikipedia, Kris Humphries is 25% African-American (his father is half African-American). Since African-Americans are about 80% African, this would make Humphries of 20% African descent.

    So Avila may be 20% African also.

    What percent african do you think this Haitian basketball coach is?

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    Divide that by 2 and that would be how african his son, NBA star Blake Griffin, is. Blake is very often mistaken for Kris Humphries. Here he is with his parents:

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    Blake Griffin looks more African than does Humphries. His and Humphries' mothers are light-skinned northern Europeans, whereas Avila's European ancestors were dark Mediterranean people. This would make the two basketball players whiter-looking relative to their African ancestry than does Avila. For example look at the half-Italian, half-African actor Giancarlo Esposito:

    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/587ad80e2a677fe11973b503/master/pass/giancarlo-espositoo.jpg

    Avila is much more European in appearance than him. Perhaps Avila is 10% African after all.
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  195. 5371 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I would further note that the Puritan heartlands:

    * Consisted mostly off well to-do yeomen and gentlemen from East Anglia, England's most prosperous region in the 17th century;
    * Literacy amongst those early Puritans was at 2/3 of the population, relative to 40% in England proper;
    * A disproportionate percentage (relative to population) of eminent intellectuals have hailed from East Anglia and Mass/Conn in both England the US;
    * Harvard University was founded in 1636, when the Puritan population in the America numbered about 40,000 colonists;
    * The region today contains 2-3 of America's top 5 universities.

    It is a most impressive concentration of human capital.

    “Mostly well to do yeomen and gentlemen” is a wild exaggeration.

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    Right. None were gentlemen. Most were low level tradesmen, not masters but journeymen. Yoemen were actually tenant farmers who were being squeezed out by the enclosure movement and sheep ranching.
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  196. AP says:
    @Bliss
    What percent african do you think this Haitian basketball coach is?



    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/13/213b9bd5-8c63-5232-a8c0-73d54a01d388/5500522090125.image.jpg

    Divide that by 2 and that would be how african his son, NBA star Blake Griffin, is. Blake is very often mistaken for Kris Humphries. Here he is with his parents:

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/ae8de0d994d996aa84a0a59382a18965/tumblr_mk17jv4pU41rk1fawo1_500.jpg

    Blake Griffin looks more African than does Humphries. His and Humphries’ mothers are light-skinned northern Europeans, whereas Avila’s European ancestors were dark Mediterranean people. This would make the two basketball players whiter-looking relative to their African ancestry than does Avila. For example look at the half-Italian, half-African actor Giancarlo Esposito:

    Avila is much more European in appearance than him. Perhaps Avila is 10% African after all.

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    'For example look at the half-Italian, half-African actor Giancarlo Esposito...'

    You may be keying too much on skin tone. He's no competition for Avila, but Esposito's features are pretty European; visualize his photo in black and white.

    It's interesting to realize that such a high proportion of the 'blacks' we are exposed to are actually mulattos or quadroons that we start to forget what actual 100% blacks look like. It's not just figures in the media; 'blacks' in mixed neighborhoods or in white-collar occupations tend to be mulattos, while since Hispanics took over most of the menial jobs, full blacks just aren't seen any more unless you go out looking for them.
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  197. Twinkie says:
    @Saxon
    This is probably where behavioral biology matters. Germanic countries (and the US was definitely founded as one--with refs by several of the founding fathers to their Anglo-Saxon heritage and returning to more ancient ways of being like with the founding of England) are high trust, low corruption, and thus tended to create more efficiency, less waste, less money siphoned off by corruption. It's a multi-layered issue.

    South Korea is sort of sliding into a new form of Oriental despotism as US influence wanes, and Japan for example has issues that wouldn't make them blink but would gall someone from a Germanic country, such as certain middlemen-types needing their palms greased often with cash gifts to smooth business transactions.

    Germanic countries… are high trust, low corruption, and thus tended to create more efficiency, less waste, less money siphoned off by corruption. It’s a multi-layered issue.

    South Korea is sort of sliding into a new form of Oriental despotism as US influence wanes…

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    It's a separate issue to that. When it comes to small things like that they will act very much like native English. Japanese in particular will. Social experiments involving honesty sussed that out. What's happening is this sort of extremely stratified system that existed before is re-emerging but with this big corporations and their owners on top instead of kings with opulent wealth and crushingly dirt poor peasants. Yes, people in Japan and South Korea are a lot more honest than say China, but that is a separate issue from whether they're recreating the same general type of system that existed before. Which they seem to be.

    To an extent this is also happening in western countries but it's mostly the result of subversive alien elements pushing propaganda about "free trade" which has been universally disastrous for anyone but a few who directly benefit and are essentially stripmining these countries.
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  198. Bruno says:
    @DFH
    The fact that Argentines are so dumb (0% even getting level 5) when they are 80% white is what I find most astonishing. Maybe they are just extremely lazy.

    There is a stupid program in Spain for semi famous people where they like to test the IQ of the guest with a real psychologist . The Argentinian who had been tested was the dumbest ever on the program (90 versus an average of 115) for most guests. She was known in Argentina .

    Maybe the dumbest of Spanish and Italian migrated there ….

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    Or they're just mixed with the natives which is the likely explanation since virtually all of them seem to be much darker than in Europe.
    , @Bruno
    I found that :

    Argentineans carried a large fraction of European genetic heritage in their Y-chromosomal (94.1%) and autosomal (78.5%) DNA, but their mitochondrial gene pool is mostly of Native American ancestry (53.7%); instead, African heritage was small in
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  199. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss
    The Fields Medal, awarded every 4 years, is called the Nobel Prize of Math, and 5 of the last 8 winners are from “low IQ” countries: 2 indians, 2 iranians and 1 brazilian.

    Methinks winning the Fields Medal trumps scoring high on the PISA test. Yes or no?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal#Fields_medalists

    Btw, the Brazilian winner looks mixed race. In other words part african, like the majority of brazilians. Indians of course are all mixed race as well.

    No one said that there aren’t smart high IQ Indians, so your example does not matter.

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  200. @Mr. XYZ
    I wouldn't be surprised if Whites with Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry in the U.S. are, on average, smarter than Whites without such ancestry. That said, though, I don't think that Jewish ancestry should have a significant effect on the average IQ since even a White population which is, say, 10-15% Jewish should only see this Jewish admixture cause an increase of 1-2 points in its average IQ (assuming that Jews perform a full standard deviation above Gentile Whites, that is).

    However, I'm not sure that I would extend this logic to American Blacks versus African Blacks. Yes, American Blacks have White admixture, but it is also possible that this is compensated by a negative selection effect due to slavery. In other words, the Blacks who became slaves might have, on average, been less intelligent than the Blacks who didn't get enslaved.

    the Blacks who became slaves might have, on average, been less intelligent than the Blacks who didn’t get enslaved.

    That’s a good point.

    Still, it was only a one-off selection, which usually has smaller effects due to reversion to the mean. It was also probably not a very strong selection, because descending from a smaller or militarily weaker tribe doesn’t necessarily imply lower intelligence. There was also a reverse selection: those who survived the Middle Passage had on average lower genetic load (and so higher genetic potential IQ) than those who didn’t. And I bet you smarter slaves were also less likely to be worked to death and probably had higher status and so better access to women. (Although that selection probably went into reverse for the past century.)

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    due to reversion to the mean
     
    Whether regression or reversion to the mean people overestimate how it works in their imagination. Providing that mathematically the breeder's equation is valid it applies to expected values only. The 2nd generation has some distribution of non-zero SD which must provide a room for offspring to violate the regression or reversion to the mean. Otherwise the standard deviation of population would be shrinking from generation to generation. Mathematically it is a convolution of two Gaussian function. If you took subpopulation below the mean and observe it over many generations the subpopulation would remain stable with almost the same distribution below the mean with some spillage going above the mean.

    Now the genetic load is another crock of crap tautology that ToE is full of. It suppose to measure/predict the number of offsprings. It is possible that those who died on the ship if they were left in Africa would have had more offsprings than the survivors.

    Incontinent ToE babble. I know it is very seductive and hard to resist and it makes you sound so smart but pause sometimes for a minute and engage in some thinking. You don't want to end up being Karlinesque dilettante.
    , @Logan
    And I bet you smarter slaves were also less likely to be worked to death and probably had higher status and so better access to women.

    Possibly. Though I suggest a highly intelligent slave is also more likely to "act uppity" and get himself into serious trouble with the master. The type of trouble that may significantly impact his survival and ability to reproduce.

    OTOH, the highly intelligent slave was also probably far more likely to be trained in a skill and thus achieve a higher value to the master, giving him stronger incentive not to kill him.
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  201. @Toronto Russian

    Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?
     
    One - it's the north pole, isn't it?

    One – it’s the north pole, isn’t it?

    Finally, some one who has dared to respond!

    Responses can be graded into 4 levels of “intelligence” (0, 1, 2, 3, definitely not to be confused with the PISA levels). Currently you are at Level 1 — the north pole works, but it represents an infinitesimal part of the solution set.

    For those too lazy to look up the original question:

    Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?

    In decades (far too many!) of giving this exam, I have encountered one person of Level 3 intelligence.

    Any one here?

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    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.
    , @dux.ie
    You are at latitude 1 km north of the south pole. You walk 1 km south to the south pole. At the south pole you walk in circle around the fixed south pole counter clockwise (west) for 1 km. Then you walk 1 km north back to the starting point. Thus the answer is infinite number of points on the latitude of circle 1 km north of the south pole + 1.
    , @The Alarmist
    True north or magnetic north?
    , @mathy mcmatherson
    Depending on the dimensions of the spheroid (the "Earth"), there may also be an infinite number of points between 1km and 2km north of the South Pole.

    For example, begin at a point 1.15km north of the pole (A). Walk 1km south to (B). Walk 1km west, tracing a circle 0.15km north of the pole, and ending up at some point on that circle (C). Walk 1km north to (D). There is an infinite number of starting points A such that C is identical to B. All such paths also have D identical to A.

    This example assumes that the cross-section (the circle of latitude) of the spheroid, on the plane of your westward walk, has a circumference of 1km / i, where i is a positive integer. For example, if the circumference is 0.2km, you'll walk in a circle precisely 5 times (stopping at C, equal to B). The particular latitudes of these circles depend on the dimensions of the spheroid.

    For reference, the circumference of the circle of latitude at 1km, on the actual Earth, is about 6km. At about 0.15km north, it is 1km (i=1). So all the points of this type will be at or south of 1.15km.

    The answer to the question is still "infinity", but it seems you're also asking "which".
    , @valentine frobisher
    lol
    this question was on a freshman geography class test at northern michigan university that i took when i was in high school. (long story. i was 14.)

    i solved it then in detail. the north pole and also a family of concentric rings around the south pole. easy peasy.
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  202. @AP
    Blake Griffin looks more African than does Humphries. His and Humphries' mothers are light-skinned northern Europeans, whereas Avila's European ancestors were dark Mediterranean people. This would make the two basketball players whiter-looking relative to their African ancestry than does Avila. For example look at the half-Italian, half-African actor Giancarlo Esposito:

    https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/587ad80e2a677fe11973b503/master/pass/giancarlo-espositoo.jpg

    Avila is much more European in appearance than him. Perhaps Avila is 10% African after all.

    ‘For example look at the half-Italian, half-African actor Giancarlo Esposito…’

    You may be keying too much on skin tone. He’s no competition for Avila, but Esposito’s features are pretty European; visualize his photo in black and white.

    It’s interesting to realize that such a high proportion of the ‘blacks’ we are exposed to are actually mulattos or quadroons that we start to forget what actual 100% blacks look like. It’s not just figures in the media; ‘blacks’ in mixed neighborhoods or in white-collar occupations tend to be mulattos, while since Hispanics took over most of the menial jobs, full blacks just aren’t seen any more unless you go out looking for them.

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  203. Saxon says:
    @Twinkie

    Germanic countries... are high trust, low corruption, and thus tended to create more efficiency, less waste, less money siphoned off by corruption. It’s a multi-layered issue.

    South Korea is sort of sliding into a new form of Oriental despotism as US influence wanes...
     
    https://youtu.be/kWW4xzlrOWQ



    https://youtu.be/xSDHhLCHxV0

    It’s a separate issue to that. When it comes to small things like that they will act very much like native English. Japanese in particular will. Social experiments involving honesty sussed that out. What’s happening is this sort of extremely stratified system that existed before is re-emerging but with this big corporations and their owners on top instead of kings with opulent wealth and crushingly dirt poor peasants. Yes, people in Japan and South Korea are a lot more honest than say China, but that is a separate issue from whether they’re recreating the same general type of system that existed before. Which they seem to be.

    To an extent this is also happening in western countries but it’s mostly the result of subversive alien elements pushing propaganda about “free trade” which has been universally disastrous for anyone but a few who directly benefit and are essentially stripmining these countries.

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    All indications are that corruption is declining and social trust is increasing in South Korea. I suspect something similar will occur in China as its economy and social institutions develop further, though there is no guarantee that the Chinese will follow exactly the route the Koreans did (although some broad outlines are similar, the Korean socio-economic trajectory is different from that of Japan).
    , @Lars Porsena

    To an extent this is also happening in western countries but it’s mostly the result of subversive alien elements pushing propaganda about “free trade”
     
    Scotts and Anglo-Saxons?
    , @Anonymous
    I don't see any real signs that the native English, particularly the native English working class, are better behaved than their Korean or Japanese counterparts. The native English working class has a bad reputation for bad behavior, petty criminality, etc.

    The English ruling class was famous for its immense, opulent wealth, especially its landed wealth and country homes. The English ruling class "solved" potential problems of social stratification and discontent by seizing and giving away free land in Ireland and the colonies. In other words, it exported its potential problems and managed having to deal with it internally.
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  204. Saxon says:
    @Bruno
    There is a stupid program in Spain for semi famous people where they like to test the IQ of the guest with a real psychologist . The Argentinian who had been tested was the dumbest ever on the program (90 versus an average of 115) for most guests. She was known in Argentina .

    Maybe the dumbest of Spanish and Italian migrated there ....

    Or they’re just mixed with the natives which is the likely explanation since virtually all of them seem to be much darker than in Europe.

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    "Spanish"

    Cuban Spanish are Canary Islanders. Essentially these are Moroccans with some Spanish blood.

    The same goes for many Latin American whites.

    If you want to get down to their actual genetics, they are descended from Moroccan women who intermarried in Canary Islands with Spanish males.
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  205. Twinkie says:
    @Saxon
    It's a separate issue to that. When it comes to small things like that they will act very much like native English. Japanese in particular will. Social experiments involving honesty sussed that out. What's happening is this sort of extremely stratified system that existed before is re-emerging but with this big corporations and their owners on top instead of kings with opulent wealth and crushingly dirt poor peasants. Yes, people in Japan and South Korea are a lot more honest than say China, but that is a separate issue from whether they're recreating the same general type of system that existed before. Which they seem to be.

    To an extent this is also happening in western countries but it's mostly the result of subversive alien elements pushing propaganda about "free trade" which has been universally disastrous for anyone but a few who directly benefit and are essentially stripmining these countries.

    All indications are that corruption is declining and social trust is increasing in South Korea. I suspect something similar will occur in China as its economy and social institutions develop further, though there is no guarantee that the Chinese will follow exactly the route the Koreans did (although some broad outlines are similar, the Korean socio-economic trajectory is different from that of Japan).

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  206. Bruno says:

    If Pb 6 requires a 120 (wich I find amazing because it takes less than 10 seconds for me) , then white countries are capped at a fraction of 10% (from 2 to 7) and East Asian with an average of 110 of math IQ at a fraction of 25%. Shanghai is different because it’s an elite region .

    What’s formidable is the difference between that and math Olympiad . math Olympiad pbs would be a level 100 if you consider progression from 1 to 6. That’s who fluid intelligence double every IQ points and a 150 IQ is 1000 more intelligent (for logic, not for regular bio-physical processes like handling ones heart or opening a beer can) than a 100 IQ person.

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  207. utu says:
    @for-the-record
    One – it’s the north pole, isn’t it?

    Finally, some one who has dared to respond!

    Responses can be graded into 4 levels of "intelligence" (0, 1, 2, 3, definitely not to be confused with the PISA levels). Currently you are at Level 1 -- the north pole works, but it represents an infinitesimal part of the solution set.

    For those too lazy to look up the original question:

    Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?

     

    In decades (far too many!) of giving this exam, I have encountered one person of Level 3 intelligence.

    Any one here?

    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.

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    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.
     
    But also, any point on a circle that is one kilometer north of of any circle around the South Pole whose circumference is any integer fraction of 1km would work just as well, and there are an infinite number of such circles.

    So the solution set consists of the North Pole and any point on any circle centered around the South Pole whose radius is 1 + 1/2πn kilometers, where n is an integer from 1 to ∞.
    , @for-the-record
    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.

    Congratulations! You are now Level 2.

    Any Level 3 out there? [Hint: there is a countably infinite set of such continuums/continuua].
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  208. @DFH
    Looking at this makes me a little sceptical of how well the PISA tests measure competence (at least in absolute terms).
    For instance, the claim that only such a small percentage of British schoolchildren can do advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs, which require competence in similar levels of Maths.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/aug/24/proportion-of-students-getting-good-gcse-grades-falls-after-reforms

    For instance, the claim that only such a small percentage of British schoolchildren can do advanced maths seems to be contradicted by the fact that over half can pass their Maths GCSEs, which require competence in similar levels of Maths.

    How can the poor kids be expected to understand anything about the concept of numbers as long as you silly Brits keep pluralizing singular nouns?

    It’s math, for crying out loud!

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    In Michigan, we like to pluralize/possessive certain words. People work at Fords and we go to Meijers and Krogers. They're usually places named after people, so it might be Ford's. Ain't language grand?
    , @for-the-record
    as long as you silly Brits keep pluralizing singular nouns

    In defense of the silly Brits one could point out that mathematics was originally a plural noun.
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  209. szopen says:
    @res
    Do you have a link to that analysis? I am curious how those results correspond to the IAB Brain Drain data. I use the latter as a measure of immigration selectivity and it would be useful if the PISA variation between source/host country pairs could serve as validation.

    No, sorry. I only remember the graph and when I googled, I found only a difference between local population and children of first and of second generation (first generation: children born abroad who came as children, second generation: born in a host country). Maybe my memory has failed me.

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  210. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    the Blacks who became slaves might have, on average, been less intelligent than the Blacks who didn’t get enslaved.
     
    That’s a good point.

    Still, it was only a one-off selection, which usually has smaller effects due to reversion to the mean. It was also probably not a very strong selection, because descending from a smaller or militarily weaker tribe doesn’t necessarily imply lower intelligence. There was also a reverse selection: those who survived the Middle Passage had on average lower genetic load (and so higher genetic potential IQ) than those who didn’t. And I bet you smarter slaves were also less likely to be worked to death and probably had higher status and so better access to women. (Although that selection probably went into reverse for the past century.)

    due to reversion to the mean

    Whether regression or reversion to the mean people overestimate how it works in their imagination. Providing that mathematically the breeder’s equation is valid it applies to expected values only. The 2nd generation has some distribution of non-zero SD which must provide a room for offspring to violate the regression or reversion to the mean. Otherwise the standard deviation of population would be shrinking from generation to generation. Mathematically it is a convolution of two Gaussian function. If you took subpopulation below the mean and observe it over many generations the subpopulation would remain stable with almost the same distribution below the mean with some spillage going above the mean.

    Now the genetic load is another crock of crap tautology that ToE is full of. It suppose to measure/predict the number of offsprings. It is possible that those who died on the ship if they were left in Africa would have had more offsprings than the survivors.

    Incontinent ToE babble. I know it is very seductive and hard to resist and it makes you sound so smart but pause sometimes for a minute and engage in some thinking. You don’t want to end up being Karlinesque dilettante.

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    Whether regression or reversion to the mean people overestimate how it works in their imagination.

    You're entirely correct here. I was initially quite impressed with the constant references to "regression to the mean" before I worked out that many, if not most, were misusing it and did not understand it at all, at least if my understanding of it is correct.

    To be specific, and please correct me if I am wrong:

    Person A has an IQ of 130. This represents a "genetic" (for want of better term) IQ plus a random element. One could figure out a probability distribution for the genetic element, which would have a mean less than 130 (i.e., it is more likely that a 130 IQ represents a "positive" random element than a "negative" one). It is this mean that would be "reverted" to in subsequent generations, in this case certainly well above 100.

    Similarly, if you have a sub-group of below average intelligence, over time they will revert to a below-average mean (albeit somewhat higher than the original one).
    , @reiner Tor
    I wanted to write regression to the mean, reversion to the mean is a different thing.

    It means that the selection effect will get smaller, because of the part of the variance which is random. On average, it will move the descendants of the selected dumb subgroup (here the slaves) towards the mean of the original group. It only works for one generation, and if the part of the variance unexplained by genetics (which is mostly random) is 0.4, than the effect of the difference between the slaves mean and the mean of the original group will get that much smaller.

    It's quite simple why. The genetically determined IQ (GIQ) of those with a high IQ will be lower than their phenotypical IQ, and the GIQ of those with a very low IQ will be higher than their phenotypical IQ. Randomness works both ways, so for example those with an IQ of 130 will have people with a GIQ of 140 and 120 among them, but because those with a GIQ of 120 are much more numerous, there will be many more with a GIQ of 120 than with a GIQ of 140 among those with a phenotypical IQ of 130. So if you take a group of 130 IQ people, their GIQ will be lower (depending on the size of the random effect, i.e. the size of 1-h^2, or, in other words, on the size of h^2, where h^2 is the narrow sense heritability also used in the Breeder's Equation), and so their children will have an average phenotypical IQ equal to the GIQ of their parents' group. From that point on, no regression to the mean is going to happen.

    genetic load is another crock of crap tautology
     
    It's not tautology. Higher IQ people have higher life expectancy, even adjusting for lifestyle and income. At least part of the explanation is genetic load. It's not at all obvious from the outset that this would be so, some people created complicated theories around how the smartness causes the longer lifespans. (Which is still possible, but since now it's known that genetic load is causing the dumbness of many dumb people, it's quite likely that the genetic load is depressing not only IQs but also lifespans.)
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  211. j2 says:

    “For instance, about half of Americans are unable to correctly read a table and do a simple addition/subtraction calculation”

    This explains a lot. I made the simplest possible strong proofs for the Holocaust case with just addition and subtraction thinking anybody can understand and check them. I see now that it is not that the Holocaust believers maliciously pretended they do not understand the arguments. Apparently they just are incapable of doing even that level math. Sad.

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    Sensible people will not follow your calculations because they are based on garbage data. Everybody believes you that you can add and subtract but the data you are using are garbage. You yourself might be an excellent computing machine but this is the case of GIGO. On top of it you come up with some crazy metaphysical and cabalistic symbology that suppose to reinforce your conclusions like for instance that the Nazis preserved Jewish hair for some cabalistic reason. I am sorry, it is hard to take you seriously then. Getting unhinged happens to smart people. Look at Ted Kaczynski or Breivik who was very capable.
    , @Gerard2

    This explains a lot. I made the simplest possible strong proofs for the Holocaust case with just addition and subtraction thinking anybody can understand and check them. I see now that it is not that the Holocaust believers maliciously pretended they do not understand the arguments. Apparently they just are incapable of doing even that level math. Sad.
     
    The Holocaust has way, way more going for it as a plausible event then the laughably dumb lie of "mass rape" by the Red Army to the Nazi scum.

    The Holocaust 6 million figure is based on a sensible extrapolation of 100's of thousands of witnesses, documented victims, named victims from family of survivors also at camps, personal possessions recovered after liberation...and so on

    The "mass rape" by the Red Army joke is extrapolated from......100 women listing "Russian" as ethnicity of father in Berlin ! This somehow then gets to 2 million rapes! With the added joke that not a single child at the time born 9-12 months after appears to have any features of anybody from the Soviet Union, wioth 1945 containing the higher proportion of Kavkaz and asiatics then any other year in the red army, for obvious reasons.

    Official Soviet records show a strict discipline on this type of behaviour and no more than 250 soldiers

    A very small number of "witnesses" of the "mass rapes" ......and most of them just paid German /NATzO scum

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  212. @Dmitry
    For anything to first year of university (not actual maths or physics degree in university), this problem is just teaching.

    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course.

    But often teachers are not adequate, or students not attentive, and if something is not clearly explained (and understood and memorized by a child), then the students rapidly become disorientated about things which would seem inherently simple to them if they had been taught well.

    It's not an issue of children being stupid, but of not having all steps clearly explained (and then practiced and memorized, before trying to learn a connected topic).

    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course.

    I don’t know what dream world you grew up in, but this is complete rubbish. There are plenty of people, even quite intelligent ones, who no matter how well they were educated could not successfully learn undergraduate engineering and/or computer science.

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    I think everyone can be taught to pass basic html classes, but using it might be another story.
    , @Dmitry
    There are some people with mental disabilities, that would prevent them.

    For almost anyone else, it is only lack of sufficient clear teaching of all stages, and a lack of personal motivation (desire), that prevent this basic level of maths knowledge.

    I.e. if a person is motivated to expend sufficient hours, and had access to the clear explanations and teaching of all stages, from the beginning - there is nothing to stop them (vast majority) from learning the maths required for entry to any main undergraduate course modules. It is lack of good teaching and personal desire.

    There is nothing that is not open and accessible in the tools which are used - it's just the need to have been clearly taught and studied all the way.

    The subjects themselves are another issue (and these subjects can include difficult concepts and modules) - we are talking about the maths tools (outside the topic itself) required to reach the course.

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  213. @Anatoly Karlin

    For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia...
     
    I think this is a bit different since the average Telegram user is more sophisticated than the average. Now yes, if say odnoklassniki was blocked, then usage would plummet. But I haven't noticed any major decline in usage amongst the people who were using it, e.g. people at a state-owned company that I was doing contract work for when the ban went into effect. Also, as I'm sure you well known, the actual blocking has been highly ineffective. I don't even have to use VPN to access it 99% of the time.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more “diverse”? I questioned America’s ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.
     
    In Hive Mind, Garett Jones mentions the peer effect - studies showing people work harder when they are observed by hard workers. It's highly plausible that the same goes for intellectual achievement. Not much point in working your brain off when surrounded by dumbos, since most success is relative, not absolute.

    Level 4 surely creates an anomaly. Despite being very tired and sleepy I was able to figure out the answers on the other 5 levels almost as fast as I could read them but Level 4 held me up with visualisation and interpretation. On returning to it I decided the diagrams were telling me that the two people could leap in where the arrow said Entry and out where it said Exit so that the first two would be in and out of the door in 60÷4÷3 = 5 seconds, 2×12 would be through each minute and the number for 30 minutes could be as high as 720. But surely that’s not as easy as Levels 5 and 6?

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  214. utu says:
    @j2
    "For instance, about half of Americans are unable to correctly read a table and do a simple addition/subtraction calculation"

    This explains a lot. I made the simplest possible strong proofs for the Holocaust case with just addition and subtraction thinking anybody can understand and check them. I see now that it is not that the Holocaust believers maliciously pretended they do not understand the arguments. Apparently they just are incapable of doing even that level math. Sad.

    Sensible people will not follow your calculations because they are based on garbage data. Everybody believes you that you can add and subtract but the data you are using are garbage. You yourself might be an excellent computing machine but this is the case of GIGO. On top of it you come up with some crazy metaphysical and cabalistic symbology that suppose to reinforce your conclusions like for instance that the Nazis preserved Jewish hair for some cabalistic reason. I am sorry, it is hard to take you seriously then. Getting unhinged happens to smart people. Look at Ted Kaczynski or Breivik who was very capable.

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    The data I use is from American Jewish Yearbooks with very few well-known corrections. The results are the same if Yad Vashem data is used. I also compared the data to two main-stream Holocaust researcher's data. Their numbers were practically identical for Western Europe and Poland. From any data I know one can derive the upper bound 400,000 to Auschwitz, the total death toll of 4.5M and that 260,000 survived Operation Reinhard. What data that I use you think is incorrect?

    "the Nazis preserved Jewish hair for some cabalistic reason"

    I see this hair issue irritated you. The reason is not cabalistic but prophetic. I think it is that "not a hair from your head will fall to the ground" is promised in prophesies of Tanakh and also in the New testament. As Nazis had to cut the hair to prevent diseases, the only thing to do was not to allow the hair to fall to the ground. I think the reason is that orthodox Jews needed fulfillment of end of the time prophesies before they could accept the return to Palestine. Consider also the fact that Rabbis were leading their people like sheep to gas chambers. That is a sacrifice, holocaust. It is also from prophesies, from Zechariah, cleansing of the people with fire. Consider Zvi Hirch Kalischer in 1842 saying that the time of redemption started in 1840 and if Jews have not returned to Palestine in 100 years (that is 1939), they will do so but with much suffering, and that Rothschild and Cremieux (high Jewish Freemason) are the people who will help them in the restoration of the Jews to Palestine (as they indeed were). Compare Kalisher to Hitler's speech: if Jewish bankers again plunge the world into a world war, the result will be that Jews are pushed out of Europe. The threat of extermination of Jews, like in the time of Hamas, just before the second exodus. Holocaust, as the burning of the offering. It is language of exodus, messianic. Personally, I think Kabbalah and prophesies are garbage, but Mizraim logde Masons studied them, so did Martinists.

    We apparently are now on different sides of the fence, so be it.
    , @Yevardian
    Kaczynski has always struck me as perfectly sane and lucid; more so than some of the columnists here, to say nothing of the rabble.
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  215. @utu
    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.

    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.

    But also, any point on a circle that is one kilometer north of of any circle around the South Pole whose circumference is any integer fraction of 1km would work just as well, and there are an infinite number of such circles.

    So the solution set consists of the North Pole and any point on any circle centered around the South Pole whose radius is 1 + 1/2πn kilometers, where n is an integer from 1 to ∞.

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    Level 3!
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  216. @utu
    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.

    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.

    Congratulations! You are now Level 2.

    Any Level 3 out there? [Hint: there is a countably infinite set of such continuums/continuua].

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    Draw a circle of 1/(2^n) km for n=0,1,2,.... circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point.
    , @Epigon
    1. North pole

    2. Any point 1+1/(n*pi) distance from South pole

    , @marpa
    No, there is not a countably infinite set of such continuums. If you can tell me why, you can qualify as level 4. If not, you go back to level 2. Or maybe 1.
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  217. @Intelligent Dasein

    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.
     
    But also, any point on a circle that is one kilometer north of of any circle around the South Pole whose circumference is any integer fraction of 1km would work just as well, and there are an infinite number of such circles.

    So the solution set consists of the North Pole and any point on any circle centered around the South Pole whose radius is 1 + 1/2πn kilometers, where n is an integer from 1 to ∞.

    Level 3!

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    I haven't bothered to sit up, grab pencil and paper and try some remembered mathematics but will ask you indulge me if I seek approval for a verbal version which puts the emphasis on there being an infinite number of circles around the S Pole on which one can travel 1 km W - or E - and end up in the same place. There are, correspondingly, an infinite number of circles 1 km N of the former circles.
    , @The Big Red Scary
    This is a cute problem. I'll have to pass it around.
    , @szopen
    Wow. I must say I am far, far less intelligent than I thought I was. It took me at least two minutes to understand the solution. Kudos if you really get that on your own while being 12.
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  218. @Saxon
    Or they're just mixed with the natives which is the likely explanation since virtually all of them seem to be much darker than in Europe.

    “Spanish”

    Cuban Spanish are Canary Islanders. Essentially these are Moroccans with some Spanish blood.

    The same goes for many Latin American whites.

    If you want to get down to their actual genetics, they are descended from Moroccan women who intermarried in Canary Islands with Spanish males.

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    Correct. Except I would suggest that it's more accurate to refer to the native Guanches as Berbers rather than Moroccans, as the second term implies Arab/Muslim cultural and ethnic admixture that simply isn't relevant to the Canaries.
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  219. @Anonymous
    Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

    North Koreans who are under much worse conditions than most of India have their genetic IQ preserved.

    Chinese IQ tests from just a few decades ago when China was still very impoverished still showed much higher IQ than India.

    Indians have a lower IQ built in because they have a high percentage of Aboriginal/Dravidian blood which you can see in their face.

    Tamils have a reputation for cognitive ability, especially mathematical, and they are Dravidian are they not? I don’t know India very well (who can?) bit note that high tech and outsourcing appears to be strong in the south, notably in Bangalore (Bengaluru if you are a proud Kannada speaker in Karnataka State) but also Hyderabad and Chennai also (Madras). I have heard Tamils called the Jews of the East and they certainly seem to have got themselves both education and resentment in Sri Lanka despite being a small minority, rather like Jews in the Pale of Settlement.

    I think the correlation would be much stronger with caste than with Dravidian DNA.

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  220. You managed to scare the hell out of me. Is an international, separatist movement to go live in Antarctica with penguins possible? Or, maybe we could figure out how to live on the moon? What can we, feasibly, do?

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    Develop a language that requires understanding of polymorphism and near infinite overloading to understand.

    Finnish power!
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  221. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Idiocy of the Average.

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  222. @utu

    due to reversion to the mean
     
    Whether regression or reversion to the mean people overestimate how it works in their imagination. Providing that mathematically the breeder's equation is valid it applies to expected values only. The 2nd generation has some distribution of non-zero SD which must provide a room for offspring to violate the regression or reversion to the mean. Otherwise the standard deviation of population would be shrinking from generation to generation. Mathematically it is a convolution of two Gaussian function. If you took subpopulation below the mean and observe it over many generations the subpopulation would remain stable with almost the same distribution below the mean with some spillage going above the mean.

    Now the genetic load is another crock of crap tautology that ToE is full of. It suppose to measure/predict the number of offsprings. It is possible that those who died on the ship if they were left in Africa would have had more offsprings than the survivors.

    Incontinent ToE babble. I know it is very seductive and hard to resist and it makes you sound so smart but pause sometimes for a minute and engage in some thinking. You don't want to end up being Karlinesque dilettante.

    Whether regression or reversion to the mean people overestimate how it works in their imagination.

    You’re entirely correct here. I was initially quite impressed with the constant references to “regression to the mean” before I worked out that many, if not most, were misusing it and did not understand it at all, at least if my understanding of it is correct.

    To be specific, and please correct me if I am wrong:

    Person A has an IQ of 130. This represents a “genetic” (for want of better term) IQ plus a random element. One could figure out a probability distribution for the genetic element, which would have a mean less than 130 (i.e., it is more likely that a 130 IQ represents a “positive” random element than a “negative” one). It is this mean that would be “reverted” to in subsequent generations, in this case certainly well above 100.

    Similarly, if you have a sub-group of below average intelligence, over time they will revert to a below-average mean (albeit somewhat higher than the original one).

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    "Person A has an IQ of 130. This represents a “genetic” (for want of better term) IQ plus a random element. One could figure out a probability distribution for the genetic element, which would have a mean less than 130 (i.e., it is more likely that a 130 IQ represents a “positive” random element than a “negative” one). It is this mean that would be “reverted” to in subsequent generations, in this case certainly well above 100.

    Similarly, if you have a sub-group of below average intelligence, over time they will revert to a below-average mean (albeit somewhat higher than the original one)."

    Regression to the mean in the case of IQ is a phenomenological rule that works to some extent. If both parents have IQ 130 and are from a population with average IQ 100 and genetic heritability of IQ is, say 60%, then the descendants tend to have IQ centered on 0.6*(130-100)+100=118.

    However, the rule is phenomenological and not actually true. I tried to derive the rule from consideration of dominant, partially dominant and recessive IQ genes and their effect on IQ including the effect of lucky combinations. It seemed to me that the relation is not as simple as the rule and though the rule seems to work rather well, it is not simply that we have hidden gene alleles that are not expressed and that is why many descendants express gene alleles that are more typical to the population but are hidden in us. It depended on many things: some genes causing retardation are recessive, a few are dominant. Many IQ genes probably are partially dominant. The mechanism causing very high IQ is different from the one causing very low IQ. Not simple.
    , @utu
    Perhaps you can take a look here where, I think, I figured out the problem mathematically:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/vox-charles-murray-is-once-again-peddling-junk-science-about/#comment-1883701

    the variance of children is V*(1-(h^2)^2) where V is variance of population and h^2 is heritability.

    An example:

    _____________
    Your IQ=140
    Heritability h^2=0.8

    Children’s IQ expected value=100+(140-100)*0.8=132

    Children SD=sqrt(V)=9

    where V=15^2*(1-0.8^2)=81

    Probability that your children have IQ≥132 is 50% IQ≥141 is 17%
    ______________
    Your IQ=140
    Heritability h^2=0.5

    Children’s IQ expected value=100+(140-100)*0.5=120

    Children SD=sqrt(V)=13

    where V=15^2*(1-0.5^2)= 168.75

    Probability that your children have IQ≥120 is 50% IQ≥133 is 17%

     

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  223. gcochran says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I would further note that the Puritan heartlands:

    * Consisted mostly off well to-do yeomen and gentlemen from East Anglia, England's most prosperous region in the 17th century;
    * Literacy amongst those early Puritans was at 2/3 of the population, relative to 40% in England proper;
    * A disproportionate percentage (relative to population) of eminent intellectuals have hailed from East Anglia and Mass/Conn in both England the US;
    * Harvard University was founded in 1636, when the Puritan population in the America numbered about 40,000 colonists;
    * The region today contains 2-3 of America's top 5 universities.

    It is a most impressive concentration of human capital.

    Something like 1/6th of Massachusetts ancestry goes back to Puritans.

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    I don't think that Puritans (or Anglians, wherever in England Puritans are from) have some magic genes that differentiate them from other northern Europeans. Rather, it's a cultural emphasis on high education, industriousness, cunning, hard work, mutual aid, etc. Puritans set up the framework in New England and other northern Europeans such as Irish were able to adopt it, in general. And thus you have one of the wealthiest and most intelligent and educated societies in the world.

    Of course, that framework also included harsh dour moralism, and this has morphed from Calvinist extremism to Progressive extremism.
    , @benjaminl
    Source? Thanks in advance.
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  224. @for-the-record
    Level 3!

    I haven’t bothered to sit up, grab pencil and paper and try some remembered mathematics but will ask you indulge me if I seek approval for a verbal version which puts the emphasis on there being an infinite number of circles around the S Pole on which one can travel 1 km W – or E – and end up in the same place. There are, correspondingly, an infinite number of circles 1 km N of the former circles.

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    I didn't work it out mathematically either (I was 12 when I came up with the solution). To say that

    there [are] an infinite number of circles around the S Pole on which one can travel 1 km W – or E – and end up in the same place.

    is correct as far as it goes, but it does not define which circles these are, because clearly most circles around the S Pole do not qualify (consider, for example, the circle with a circumference of 0.45 km).

    The "qualifying" circles are in fact those with diameters 1/integer: 1, 1/2, 1/3 . . . ad infinitum, hence the solution set will consist of circles one mile N of these "qualifying" circles, which corresponds to the mathematical solution given by Intelligent Dasein -- a countably infinite set of infinite spaces.
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  225. j2 says:
    @utu
    Sensible people will not follow your calculations because they are based on garbage data. Everybody believes you that you can add and subtract but the data you are using are garbage. You yourself might be an excellent computing machine but this is the case of GIGO. On top of it you come up with some crazy metaphysical and cabalistic symbology that suppose to reinforce your conclusions like for instance that the Nazis preserved Jewish hair for some cabalistic reason. I am sorry, it is hard to take you seriously then. Getting unhinged happens to smart people. Look at Ted Kaczynski or Breivik who was very capable.

    The data I use is from American Jewish Yearbooks with very few well-known corrections. The results are the same if Yad Vashem data is used. I also compared the data to two main-stream Holocaust researcher’s data. Their numbers were practically identical for Western Europe and Poland. From any data I know one can derive the upper bound 400,000 to Auschwitz, the total death toll of 4.5M and that 260,000 survived Operation Reinhard. What data that I use you think is incorrect?

    “the Nazis preserved Jewish hair for some cabalistic reason”

    I see this hair issue irritated you. The reason is not cabalistic but prophetic. I think it is that “not a hair from your head will fall to the ground” is promised in prophesies of Tanakh and also in the New testament. As Nazis had to cut the hair to prevent diseases, the only thing to do was not to allow the hair to fall to the ground. I think the reason is that orthodox Jews needed fulfillment of end of the time prophesies before they could accept the return to Palestine. Consider also the fact that Rabbis were leading their people like sheep to gas chambers. That is a sacrifice, holocaust. It is also from prophesies, from Zechariah, cleansing of the people with fire. Consider Zvi Hirch Kalischer in 1842 saying that the time of redemption started in 1840 and if Jews have not returned to Palestine in 100 years (that is 1939), they will do so but with much suffering, and that Rothschild and Cremieux (high Jewish Freemason) are the people who will help them in the restoration of the Jews to Palestine (as they indeed were). Compare Kalisher to Hitler’s speech: if Jewish bankers again plunge the world into a world war, the result will be that Jews are pushed out of Europe. The threat of extermination of Jews, like in the time of Hamas, just before the second exodus. Holocaust, as the burning of the offering. It is language of exodus, messianic. Personally, I think Kabbalah and prophesies are garbage, but Mizraim logde Masons studied them, so did Martinists.

    We apparently are now on different sides of the fence, so be it.

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    We apparently are now on different sides of the fence, so be it.
     
    I am not sure.
    , @DFH

    The data I use is from American Jewish Yearbooks
     
    You believe that the US Jewish population went up by only 300,000 between 1937-1949?
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  226. @Anatoly Karlin

    For example, I knew that blocking Telegram was going to stifle its user growth in Russia...
     
    I think this is a bit different since the average Telegram user is more sophisticated than the average. Now yes, if say odnoklassniki was blocked, then usage would plummet. But I haven't noticed any major decline in usage amongst the people who were using it, e.g. people at a state-owned company that I was doing contract work for when the ban went into effect. Also, as I'm sure you well known, the actual blocking has been highly ineffective. I don't even have to use VPN to access it 99% of the time.

    Can we expect that whites in USA will grow dumber as the country becomes more disfunctional and more “diverse”? I questioned America’s ability to sustain its techological edge in the future, and now there is some empirical data that might support my thesis.
     
    In Hive Mind, Garett Jones mentions the peer effect - studies showing people work harder when they are observed by hard workers. It's highly plausible that the same goes for intellectual achievement. Not much point in working your brain off when surrounded by dumbos, since most success is relative, not absolute.

    Actually, Telеgram usage declined in Russia since the ban was introduced. Keep up!

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3701472

    They had very strong growth going into ban, but since then a decline of 23%.

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  227. j2 says:
    @for-the-record
    Whether regression or reversion to the mean people overestimate how it works in their imagination.

    You're entirely correct here. I was initially quite impressed with the constant references to "regression to the mean" before I worked out that many, if not most, were misusing it and did not understand it at all, at least if my understanding of it is correct.

    To be specific, and please correct me if I am wrong:

    Person A has an IQ of 130. This represents a "genetic" (for want of better term) IQ plus a random element. One could figure out a probability distribution for the genetic element, which would have a mean less than 130 (i.e., it is more likely that a 130 IQ represents a "positive" random element than a "negative" one). It is this mean that would be "reverted" to in subsequent generations, in this case certainly well above 100.

    Similarly, if you have a sub-group of below average intelligence, over time they will revert to a below-average mean (albeit somewhat higher than the original one).

    “Person A has an IQ of 130. This represents a “genetic” (for want of better term) IQ plus a random element. One could figure out a probability distribution for the genetic element, which would have a mean less than 130 (i.e., it is more likely that a 130 IQ represents a “positive” random element than a “negative” one). It is this mean that would be “reverted” to in subsequent generations, in this case certainly well above 100.

    Similarly, if you have a sub-group of below average intelligence, over time they will revert to a below-average mean (albeit somewhat higher than the original one).”

    Regression to the mean in the case of IQ is a phenomenological rule that works to some extent. If both parents have IQ 130 and are from a population with average IQ 100 and genetic heritability of IQ is, say 60%, then the descendants tend to have IQ centered on 0.6*(130-100)+100=118.

    However, the rule is phenomenological and not actually true. I tried to derive the rule from consideration of dominant, partially dominant and recessive IQ genes and their effect on IQ including the effect of lucky combinations. It seemed to me that the relation is not as simple as the rule and though the rule seems to work rather well, it is not simply that we have hidden gene alleles that are not expressed and that is why many descendants express gene alleles that are more typical to the population but are hidden in us. It depended on many things: some genes causing retardation are recessive, a few are dominant. Many IQ genes probably are partially dominant. The mechanism causing very high IQ is different from the one causing very low IQ. Not simple.

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  228. JosephB says:

    The questions seemed very odd in that you should read the questions backwards to do better. There is a lot of extraneous detail presented, and reading it in linear order requires accepting a bunch of assumptions and data before even getting to the task. Someone who is knowledgeable about doors, cars, hiking, or cycling might get bogged down thinking about the assumptions. It was telling that the last question was in many ways the easiest, and I was stumped by your comment “I suspect that many of you can do it in your heads within a minute.” Suspect? Within a minute?

    Also, where did the IQ estimate of 120 to 125 come from? If 2% of the US can answer the question, given a mean IQ of 98, that entails an IQ of 128. Using a mean of 106 and SD of 14 for Japan and Korea gives an estimate of 124.

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  229. Bruno says:
    @Bruno
    There is a stupid program in Spain for semi famous people where they like to test the IQ of the guest with a real psychologist . The Argentinian who had been tested was the dumbest ever on the program (90 versus an average of 115) for most guests. She was known in Argentina .

    Maybe the dumbest of Spanish and Italian migrated there ....

    I found that :

    Argentineans carried a large fraction of European genetic heritage in their Y-chromosomal (94.1%) and autosomal (78.5%) DNA, but their mitochondrial gene pool is mostly of Native American ancestry (53.7%); instead, African heritage was small in

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  230. dux.ie says:
    @for-the-record
    One – it’s the north pole, isn’t it?

    Finally, some one who has dared to respond!

    Responses can be graded into 4 levels of "intelligence" (0, 1, 2, 3, definitely not to be confused with the PISA levels). Currently you are at Level 1 -- the north pole works, but it represents an infinitesimal part of the solution set.

    For those too lazy to look up the original question:

    Bonus question: How many points are there on Earth where you can walk 1 km south, then 1 km west, then 1 km north and be back at your original starting point?

     

    In decades (far too many!) of giving this exam, I have encountered one person of Level 3 intelligence.

    Any one here?

    You are at latitude 1 km north of the south pole. You walk 1 km south to the south pole. At the south pole you walk in circle around the fixed south pole counter clockwise (west) for 1 km. Then you walk 1 km north back to the starting point. Thus the answer is infinite number of points on the latitude of circle 1 km north of the south pole + 1.

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    Hmm. beaten by time zone.
    , @for-the-record
    At the south pole you walk in circle around the fixed south pole counter clockwise (west)

    It is impossible to walk "west" from the South Pole, any direction you walk is north.
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  231. @Joshua Jordan, KSC
    You managed to scare the hell out of me. Is an international, separatist movement to go live in Antarctica with penguins possible? Or, maybe we could figure out how to live on the moon? What can we, feasibly, do?

    Develop a language that requires understanding of polymorphism and near infinite overloading to understand.

    Finnish power!

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  232. dux.ie says:
    @dux.ie
    You are at latitude 1 km north of the south pole. You walk 1 km south to the south pole. At the south pole you walk in circle around the fixed south pole counter clockwise (west) for 1 km. Then you walk 1 km north back to the starting point. Thus the answer is infinite number of points on the latitude of circle 1 km north of the south pole + 1.

    Hmm. beaten by time zone.

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  233. @for-the-record
    Almost any child can, in theory, learn the necessary basics to a level to study subjects like engineering or undergraduate computer science course.

    I don't know what dream world you grew up in, but this is complete rubbish. There are plenty of people, even quite intelligent ones, who no matter how well they were educated could not successfully learn undergraduate engineering and/or computer science.

    I think everyone can be taught to pass basic html classes, but using it might be another story.

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    I think everyone can be taught to pass basic html classes

    But that is not the same as undergraduate engineering and computer programming, which was the standard I was referring to. Even a brief look at an undergraduate engineering curriculum will confirm that not everyone can do this, including many "intelligent" people:

    https://web.uri.edu/engineering/files/CVE-Curriculum-and-Check-Sheets-Class-of-20181.pdf
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  234. utu says:
    @for-the-record
    Whether regression or reversion to the mean people overestimate how it works in their imagination.

    You're entirely correct here. I was initially quite impressed with the constant references to "regression to the mean" before I worked out that many, if not most, were misusing it and did not understand it at all, at least if my understanding of it is correct.

    To be specific, and please correct me if I am wrong:

    Person A has an IQ of 130. This represents a "genetic" (for want of better term) IQ plus a random element. One could figure out a probability distribution for the genetic element, which would have a mean less than 130 (i.e., it is more likely that a 130 IQ represents a "positive" random element than a "negative" one). It is this mean that would be "reverted" to in subsequent generations, in this case certainly well above 100.

    Similarly, if you have a sub-group of below average intelligence, over time they will revert to a below-average mean (albeit somewhat higher than the original one).

    Perhaps you can take a look here where, I think, I figured out the problem mathematically:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/vox-charles-murray-is-once-again-peddling-junk-science-about/#comment-1883701

    the variance of children is V*(1-(h^2)^2) where V is variance of population and h^2 is heritability.

    An example:

    _____________
    Your IQ=140
    Heritability h^2=0.8

    Children’s IQ expected value=100+(140-100)*0.8=132

    Children SD=sqrt(V)=9

    where V=15^2*(1-0.8^2)=81

    Probability that your children have IQ≥132 is 50% IQ≥141 is 17%
    ______________
    Your IQ=140
    Heritability h^2=0.5

    Children’s IQ expected value=100+(140-100)*0.5=120

    Children SD=sqrt(V)=13

    where V=15^2*(1-0.5^2)= 168.75

    Probability that your children have IQ≥120 is 50% IQ≥133 is 17%

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    Thanks, that's essentially what I was trying to express verbally, I think. The basic point is that reversion is not back to the overall population mean, but to the inherited one. Perhaps an obvious point, but it seems to me that at least some people do not understand this correctly.
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  235. utu says:
    @j2
    The data I use is from American Jewish Yearbooks with very few well-known corrections. The results are the same if Yad Vashem data is used. I also compared the data to two main-stream Holocaust researcher's data. Their numbers were practically identical for Western Europe and Poland. From any data I know one can derive the upper bound 400,000 to Auschwitz, the total death toll of 4.5M and that 260,000 survived Operation Reinhard. What data that I use you think is incorrect?

    "the Nazis preserved Jewish hair for some cabalistic reason"

    I see this hair issue irritated you. The reason is not cabalistic but prophetic. I think it is that "not a hair from your head will fall to the ground" is promised in prophesies of Tanakh and also in the New testament. As Nazis had to cut the hair to prevent diseases, the only thing to do was not to allow the hair to fall to the ground. I think the reason is that orthodox Jews needed fulfillment of end of the time prophesies before they could accept the return to Palestine. Consider also the fact that Rabbis were leading their people like sheep to gas chambers. That is a sacrifice, holocaust. It is also from prophesies, from Zechariah, cleansing of the people with fire. Consider Zvi Hirch Kalischer in 1842 saying that the time of redemption started in 1840 and if Jews have not returned to Palestine in 100 years (that is 1939), they will do so but with much suffering, and that Rothschild and Cremieux (high Jewish Freemason) are the people who will help them in the restoration of the Jews to Palestine (as they indeed were). Compare Kalisher to Hitler's speech: if Jewish bankers again plunge the world into a world war, the result will be that Jews are pushed out of Europe. The threat of extermination of Jews, like in the time of Hamas, just before the second exodus. Holocaust, as the burning of the offering. It is language of exodus, messianic. Personally, I think Kabbalah and prophesies are garbage, but Mizraim logde Masons studied them, so did Martinists.

    We apparently are now on different sides of the fence, so be it.

    We apparently are now on different sides of the fence, so be it.

    I am not sure.

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  236. dux.ie says:
    @Epigon
    Those International Science Olympiads (Math, Physics, Informatics, Chemistry) are a combination of talent/IQ and drill - devoted study and preparation under mentors and University student volunteers.
    Or simple homeschooling/extra effort in private time.
    Top High School students/teens are chosen and then specially prepared. There are typical, standard problem in those exams, and solving the previous years’ exams helps a lot. Exams are compiled by all competitor states contributing problem proposals.
    Generally, it is teens/highschoolers competing at solving university level problems.

    > Generally, it is teens/highschoolers competing at solving university level problems.

    There were IMO problems that were extremely hard, e.g. IMO 1988 Problem 6, which was field tested with a group of professional mathematicians who could not solved it in 6 hours and they expected the IMO competitiors to solve it in 15 min.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=math+olympiad+problem+6&uploaded=a&aq=f

    The narrator a university lecturer admitted he took one year to solve the problem.

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    You singled out a single problem in a specific year to counter my claim.
    Now look up the medal distribution over the years and how medals are awarded, and draw your conclusion on whether the average problems in IMO are something extraordinary.
    That there are years when 100% score is achieved, not to mention multiple such performances, points that way.
    In competition terms, if a genius mathematician was present, his genius would transpire in a distinct and huge advantage over others because he would have been able to solve a problem no one else was.
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  237. ussr andy says:
    @utu
    The sample problems of Level 1 to 6 are cluttered with noise of useless informations that is culturally and economic development dependent.

    Why do we need to know that Helen has a speedometer? 20-30 years ago speedometers showing averages speed were not common. If you had a speedometer it was mechanical showing instantaneous speed only. To get the average speed you need time keeping. But anyway the fact that Helen has a speedometer is irrelevant to the problem.

    All problems are quantitative requiring mathematical operation (except for Level 1) and some idea how things work.

    If you reformulated the problems nad asked questions differently the score would be much higher.

    Level 1: For which months the black bar is taller than grey bar? Some kids were not exposed to graphs and haven't learn how to read them.

    Level 2: What is larger/smaller/equal 4/10 or 2/5? The question is about the definition of the average speed. Give that definition first.

    Level 3: Which number in the lowest row is the largest? WhoTF needs to now what is engine capacity. The term "engine capacity" is not common. How does it sound Swahili?

    Level 4: How many kids in Uruguay saw a revolving door? Most people will have problem visualizing the problem and realizing that 6 people per rotation can pass the door. BTW, African Americans are familiar with revolving (one way only) doors as they are commonly used in prison.

    And so on. Solving the problem like these is to be conditioned by a lot of practice where you are exposed to problems like these. In Mt. Fuji problem you must realize that you must calculate the total time which is the sum of two times: going up and going down. In Helen Level 6 you need to know what is the average speed and that it is not the same as the average of speeds.

    It is all matter of preparation for the test which teaches how to convert stories that you do not have interest in (WGTF about Helen?) to mathematical abstractions. To do it you have to be acculturated to the high level of motivation to score high that you care about scoring the test more than pondering WTF it is all about and who needs it.

    Now the bigger issue. Do PISA tests tell us something? PISA tests scores are classical chicken-egg problem. Why do countries on the make like Eastern Europe often have high PISA scores? Why do they care? Russia is doing exceptionally well in them. But Russia also has impressive military parades on the Victory Day. Russia is known for Potemkin villages. But are Potemkin villages bad? Now, pretense is good because it shows what are important values. Like in case of hypocrisy: "hypocrisy is a tribute vice pays to virtue." While building a Potemkin village a Russian muzhik gets some idea how a nice village suppose to look. When preparing tanks for the V-day parade the mechanics will put more effort to a make sure that the equipment does not breaks down and perhaps it will extend to normal operations. When cramming for PISA test kids actually learn something. And when they get high scores their confidence level goes up.

    If you reformulated the problems nad asked questions differently the score would be much higher.

    Level 1: For which months the black bar is taller than grey bar?

    dats right. deskill everything. :)

    “find x” “here it is” (circles x)

    “What are you doing?” “I’m making these stupid bricks” (other guy, wipes sweat off his forehead, looks at the huge structure beside him) “I’m building the Chartres cathedral”

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  238. @Wizard of Oz
    I haven't bothered to sit up, grab pencil and paper and try some remembered mathematics but will ask you indulge me if I seek approval for a verbal version which puts the emphasis on there being an infinite number of circles around the S Pole on which one can travel 1 km W - or E - and end up in the same place. There are, correspondingly, an infinite number of circles 1 km N of the former circles.

    I didn’t work it out mathematically either (I was 12 when I came up with the solution). To say that

    there [are] an infinite number of circles around the S Pole on which one can travel 1 km W – or E – and end up in the same place.

    is correct as far as it goes, but it does not define which circles these are, because clearly most circles around the S Pole do not qualify (consider, for example, the circle with a circumference of 0.45 km).

    The “qualifying” circles are in fact those with diameters 1/integer: 1, 1/2, 1/3 . . . ad infinitum, hence the solution set will consist of circles one mile N of these “qualifying” circles, which corresponds to the mathematical solution given by Intelligent Dasein — a countably infinite set of infinite spaces.

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    Important correction:

    The “qualifying” circles are in fact those with circumferences 1/integer: 1, 1/2, 1/3 . . . ad infinitum, hence the solution set will consist of circles one mile N of these “qualifying” circles . . .
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  239. @dux.ie
    You are at latitude 1 km north of the south pole. You walk 1 km south to the south pole. At the south pole you walk in circle around the fixed south pole counter clockwise (west) for 1 km. Then you walk 1 km north back to the starting point. Thus the answer is infinite number of points on the latitude of circle 1 km north of the south pole + 1.

    At the south pole you walk in circle around the fixed south pole counter clockwise (west)

    It is impossible to walk “west” from the South Pole, any direction you walk is north.

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    Because of short of time I did not elaborate.

    Not when you pivot your left foot fixed and directly on the south pole with the centre of gravity on your left foot, lift your right foot and swing it forward along the latitude circle (west) and plant it across where you are facing, drag/rotate your body anti-clockwise. Technically your right foot and most of your body are "walking" west. Then a little hop to exchange the right foot as the pivot and swing you left foot along the latitude circle backward (west) and drag/swing your body counter-clockwise (west). Since both your feet and your body are moving "west", the second condition is satisfied.

    The other proposals did not answer how the second condition is satisfied. You also took it for granted.
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  240. Anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    No, the answer is 28 km/h. She traveled 7 km in 15 minutes (quarter of an hour).

    Isn’t there some ambiguity in the question? Is the average per distance or time?

    Your calculation assumes an average based on time. However, if the average is based on distance, then it’s not exactly 28.

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    km/h
    , @Chet Bradley
    Total distance travelled was 7 km. Total time travelled was 0.25 hours. Please show us how you can come with an answer different from 28 km/h AND have it make sense.
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  241. @Daniel Chieh
    I think everyone can be taught to pass basic html classes, but using it might be another story.

    I think everyone can be taught to pass basic html classes

    But that is not the same as undergraduate engineering and computer programming, which was the standard I was referring to. Even a brief look at an undergraduate engineering curriculum will confirm that not everyone can do this, including many “intelligent” people:

    https://web.uri.edu/engineering/files/CVE-Curriculum-and-Check-Sheets-Class-of-20181.pdf

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    "Programming is another kind of literacy" -- A.Ershov

    Deciding so to name my speech, I realize that this is a metaphor, which many will find risky. On one side of our equation is an exotic, though already very massive profession, requiring the ability and long training, and on the other - the common property, the fundamental property of modern man.

    Nevertheless, I will try to demonstrate the instructiveness and fruitfulness of this metaphor. Not wishing to kill the reader with long syllogisms, nor to amaze him with tricks, I will explain in advance the scheme for revealing the basic situation.
     

    (holy f..., GT is getting good)

    http://ershov.iis.nsk.su/ru/second_literacy/article

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fershov.iis.nsk.su%2Fru%2Fsecond_literacy%2Farticle&edit-text=&act=url

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  242. dux.ie says:
    @AaronB
    Don't troll me Anatoly - you must admit one of the most ridiculous things about HBD is how it purports to notice and celebrate a rich diversity in all human traits....except for competitive desire.

    That is supposed to be utterly invariant and constant across race, ethnic group, culture, history, environment, recent national humiliation, and time.

    This assumption is necessary to make competitive endeavors meaningful - if one group simply isn't competing as hard, kind of makes it less fun :)

    When you play sports, it feels really shitty when the other team just doesn't give it their best effort - really spoils the fun. We were all there, as kids.

    So believe me I get it. But it won't stop me poking fun at you silly kids :)

    For most people (about 75% of the countries) competitive pressure reduces the performance. For example the OECD PISA also survey the competition level among the student, the percentage who wanted to be the best. The results,

    For most countries, the higher WantBestPct the worse the performance, except for about 25% who thrived with competitions.

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    How did they assess the level of competitiveness? Self-report of attitudes or some objective measure like hours of prep - or how many of them arranged to have their rivals woken every hour during the night before the tests :-)
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  243. DFH says:
    @j2
    The data I use is from American Jewish Yearbooks with very few well-known corrections. The results are the same if Yad Vashem data is used. I also compared the data to two main-stream Holocaust researcher's data. Their numbers were practically identical for Western Europe and Poland. From any data I know one can derive the upper bound 400,000 to Auschwitz, the total death toll of 4.5M and that 260,000 survived Operation Reinhard. What data that I use you think is incorrect?

    "the Nazis preserved Jewish hair for some cabalistic reason"

    I see this hair issue irritated you. The reason is not cabalistic but prophetic. I think it is that "not a hair from your head will fall to the ground" is promised in prophesies of Tanakh and also in the New testament. As Nazis had to cut the hair to prevent diseases, the only thing to do was not to allow the hair to fall to the ground. I think the reason is that orthodox Jews needed fulfillment of end of the time prophesies before they could accept the return to Palestine. Consider also the fact that Rabbis were leading their people like sheep to gas chambers. That is a sacrifice, holocaust. It is also from prophesies, from Zechariah, cleansing of the people with fire. Consider Zvi Hirch Kalischer in 1842 saying that the time of redemption started in 1840 and if Jews have not returned to Palestine in 100 years (that is 1939), they will do so but with much suffering, and that Rothschild and Cremieux (high Jewish Freemason) are the people who will help them in the restoration of the Jews to Palestine (as they indeed were). Compare Kalisher to Hitler's speech: if Jewish bankers again plunge the world into a world war, the result will be that Jews are pushed out of Europe. The threat of extermination of Jews, like in the time of Hamas, just before the second exodus. Holocaust, as the burning of the offering. It is language of exodus, messianic. Personally, I think Kabbalah and prophesies are garbage, but Mizraim logde Masons studied them, so did Martinists.

    We apparently are now on different sides of the fence, so be it.

    The data I use is from American Jewish Yearbooks

    You believe that the US Jewish population went up by only 300,000 between 1937-1949?

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    "You believe that the US Jewish population went up by only 300,000 between 1937-1949?"

    I looked at the US Jewish population data in
    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2017/11/20/h4-finished-this-conspiracy-theory/
    and after the table giving the US Jewish population I wrote:
    "These numbers are odd to say the least. There is a huge range of uncertainty of a million in 1910, yet the upper bound is given in the precision of a person. The figure for 1930 is not given, instead there are figures for 1927 and 1937, and the one in 1927 is precise. "

    If you mean by garbage that the Jewish numbers may not be correct, that can be valid criticism. However, I wanted to derive a proof that uses numbers that Holocaust researchers claim are correct. Suggesting any other numbers would face the objection that their numbers are correct, they have studied the topic from whatever sources, while I obviously did other things than spent time on studying Jewish populations in different countries. Thus, I use Holocaust numbers and derive the contradictions to Holocaust claims. Yet, the Jewish numbers for Western Europe seem correct to me, as seem the immigration numbers and the Polish census of 1931. This is sufficient for Auschwitz, Operation Reinhard and 4.5M.

    Your comment on the US Jewish population numbers being in doubt is justified. They are from a Jewish site, not from a denier site.Soviet and US numbers can indeed be largely incorrect, but I actually do not need those numbers. The DP camp numbers already force the conclusion that over 200,000 survived Operation Reinhard camps. This strengthens the conclusion that 1M had immigrated additionally from the Soviet Union because otherwise the losses are difficult to explain, especially as mass graves have not been verified.

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  244. Yevardian says:
    @utu
    Sensible people will not follow your calculations because they are based on garbage data. Everybody believes you that you can add and subtract but the data you are using are garbage. You yourself might be an excellent computing machine but this is the case of GIGO. On top of it you come up with some crazy metaphysical and cabalistic symbology that suppose to reinforce your conclusions like for instance that the Nazis preserved Jewish hair for some cabalistic reason. I am sorry, it is hard to take you seriously then. Getting unhinged happens to smart people. Look at Ted Kaczynski or Breivik who was very capable.

    Kaczynski has always struck me as perfectly sane and lucid; more so than some of the columnists here, to say nothing of the rabble.

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  245. g2k says:
    @for-the-record
    Draw a circle of 1km circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point. You are right there is a continuum of points that are solutions to your problem.

    Congratulations! You are now Level 2.

    Any Level 3 out there? [Hint: there is a countably infinite set of such continuums/continuua].

    Draw a circle of 1/(2^n) km for n=0,1,2,…. circumference around the South Pole. Any point on a lager circle around the South Pole that is 1km North from the first circle is good as a starting point.

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    Crap, bad fraction. The first circle just needs to be 1/n
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  246. @utu
    Perhaps you can take a look here where, I think, I figured out the problem mathematically:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/vox-charles-murray-is-once-again-peddling-junk-science-about/#comment-1883701

    the variance of children is V*(1-(h^2)^2) where V is variance of population and h^2 is heritability.

    An example:

    _____________
    Your IQ=140
    Heritability h^2=0.8

    Children’s IQ expected value=100+(140-100)*0.8=132

    Children SD=sqrt(V)=9

    where V=15^2*(1-0.8^2)=81

    Probability that your children have IQ≥132 is 50% IQ≥141 is 17%
    ______________
    Your IQ=140
    Heritability h^2=0.5

    Children’s IQ expected value=100+(140-100)*0.5=120

    Children SD=sqrt(V)=13

    where V=15^2*(1-0.5^2)= 168.75

    Probability that your children have IQ≥120 is 50% IQ≥133 is 17%

     

    Thanks, that’s essentially what I was trying to express verbally, I think. The basic point is that reversion is not back to the overall population mean, but to the inherited one. Perhaps an obvious point, but it seems to me that at least some people do not understand this correctly.

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  247. Logan says:
    @Epigon
    PISA tests are a meme; at least here.

    “Here’s your test on a computer, kids”
    “Does it impact our grades?”
    “Nope”
    “Are the test results public?”
    “Nope”
    “LOL, watch this - record time”

    :Everyone does it as quickly as possible, those who try hard might be called out as nerds and uncool:

    Seriously, I have a distinct feeling that Asian schools prepare their kids in advance. The same way most of schools here practically abandoned normal teaching programme and instituted year long preparations aimed at drilling students into solving the specific exams that constitute the Abitur/Matura.
    Also, don’t pretend that actual IQ test solving can’t be trained.

    The biggest correlation of IQ tests with the real world is probably in how quickly a person can learn something new.

    A high-IQ person will quickly master a simple task. As you go down the IQ ladder, the amount of time it takes a person to master the same skill increases. But once he’s achieved mastery, he’s generally as good at it as the high-IQ guy. Sometimes better, as the high-IQ guy gets bored and stops trying.

    As the complexity of the skill we’re talking about increases, the lower IQ people take longer and longer to achieve mastery, and the lowest-IQ types successively peel off the bottom, with mastery simply beyond their ability no matter how much time is spent teaching the skill.

    In the tests this articles discusses, it would be interesting to also track how long it took students to reach a correct answer.

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    Alan Turing in WWII indeed selected applicants for the Enigma project by the speed with which they were able to solve problems;
    Nothing special these days, any psychological test measures time.
    , @Tyrion 2
    Great comment. One can easily drill low IQ individuals for this test.

    Meanwhile, high IQ individuals would likely just work it out from previous experience.

    (Very high IQ individuals probably wouldn't bother.)

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  248. Gerard2 says:
    @Dmitry

    And many do appreciate that national wealth depends largely on a population’s intelligence, especially of its “smart fractions”
     
    It's not quite true - although it satisfies peoples' "just world hypothesis" instincts.

    To falsify the hypothesis, just see the contradiction in writing: the intellectual genius of a wealthy people like the Qataris, or the stupidity of a poor nationality like the Chinese.

    In per capita terms, China is as poor and unsuccessful, as Thailand, Algeria and Brazil. And yet, their reported average academic test scores are higher than those of many wealthy countries.

    In the future, such a correlation should become stronger, as a result of the digital revolution making intelligence relevant to a larger proportion of the future economy. But even today, there many other factors, often less related to inherent qualities of the people, than to arbitrary things like geography, involved in economic success.

    In per capita terms, China is as poor and unsuccessful, as Thailand, Algeria and Brazil. And yet, their reported average academic test scores are higher than those of many wealthy countries.

    If you look at the results in all the Olympiad competitions over the summer ( mathematics, Physics, Biology, Chemistry and so on)……then Russia did very , very , very well, (Ukraine did shit, of course). As for the Americans , ALL the winning contestants for their teams were either Chinese or Indian named. Particularly Chinese ( I’m sure not Japanese or Korean, but Chinese)

    Now, Indians are very clever in general but this dominance of Asians, I think is mainly down to “lock them in the room all day” driven parents. Numerous people in the west have experience of Orientals of average intelligence obtain high academic results.
    Russians who take part and do well in these events tend to be more strong-minded, independent-thinking people or “free spirits” ( let down by 1 POS who turns out to have been a Navalny hamster)

    Western Universities may now have become more plentiful with Chinese professors/lecturers but I think this is more driven by economics and availability, particularly with the so-called “lesser universities” now becoming more prestigious as more qualified people go to live in the UK and US

    In engineering the Chinese guys can understand and implement ad nauseum the mathematics behind the computer based methods in construction ( very simple but extensive and dull) , but could they come up with and have a firm grip on the classical “elastic” theory that underpins this and was the basis of engineering from the enlightenment period onwards?

    Or could they come up with and be comfortable with the more part empirical/part-theory ideas that are the bases for soil engineering…….I heavily doubt it in both cases.
    This is where the real fundamental understanding of engineering comes from….plus most of the creativity and intelligent thinking

    Incidentally, I think the most large example of racism is not towards blacks or jews………but from aficionados of classical music towards Chinese/Japanese/Korean pianists and Musicians

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    If you look at the results in all the Olympiad competitions over the summer ( mathematics, Physics, Biology, Chemistry and so on)……then Russia did very , very , very well, (Ukraine did shit, of course)
     
    Math Olympiad 2018:

    https://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx

    Ukraine 4th place, its best result ever. Last year it was 14th place.

    USA #1, Russia #2, China #3, Ukraine #4, Thailand #5, Taiwan #6, Korea #7, Singapore #8, Poland #9.

    :::::::

    Overall pattern of post-2014 winning for Ukraine.
    , @Dmitry
    The exams are divided now (since 2015) into base (easy) and optional advanced (profile) papers.

    Looking at some of recent profile papers, it's still the same mix of some easy, and some difficult or tricky questions, as was in the part C of the old exam.

    Now considering that around half are still taking the advanced option, and the majority passing.

    However, the number of students taking the exam is rapidly falling already since 2015, which is quite depressing.

    -

    On balance, the mathematics level is still surely a lot higher than in countries like Ame