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Europe famously has hate speech laws, which run the gamut from banning Nazi propaganda to criticizing mass immigration.

Russia’s version of it is Article 282, which has been used on everyone from genuine Neo-Nazis and radical Islamists to the nationalist pundit Konstantin Krylov for stating that it’s “time to do away with this strange economic model [of federal subsidies to the Caucasus]“.

And yet if the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech, encodified in the First Amendment, this is mitigated by its organic “Society 282,” as the Russian nationalist Egor Prosvirnin has poetically called it.

In the days the Unite the Rite march in Charlottesville, in which one antifa counter-protester was killed by a Neo-Nazi going postal with his car (the MSM version of events; reality might be rather different), Society 282 has gone on a veritable purge of Alt Right and Dissident Right content on cyberspace.

Too many people to name have been banned from Twitter.

Pax Dickinson is the most prominent one to come to mind. He was an easy target, since he has already been removed from the platform several times, though Twitter usually waits for new accounts to (re)gain popularity before kicking them back into purgatory. The trigger for the latest banning might have been his detailed, first-hand coverage of the Charlottesville rally, which features evidence that the Virginia State Policy pursued a strategy of corraling Alt Right protesters into antifa in a deliberate attempt to provoke violence.

The Alt Right blogger Christopher Cantwall has been banned from Facebook, Paypal, Mailchimp, and… OkCupid, just for good measure.

PayPal has banned American Renaissance, which had nothing to do with Unite the Right.

It is two particular cases, however, that are perhaps the most illustrative – and foreboding, at least for those who still value “freeze peach” (to use the derogatory antifa term).

VDARE

First off, Paypal has banned VDARE from using its services. Now VDARE is far more “dissident Right” than it is Alt Right. Two of the biggest names there are John Derbyshire and Steve Sailer.

John Derbyshire is an elderly English essayist, very milquetoast in manners, who campaigns againt mass immigration and enforced diversity in his columns; but heavens forbid those proles take their concerns to the streets (“what an unsavory bunch!“).

And Steve Sailer… well, does he even need an intro, here of all places? His ideology is “citizenism,” which is essentially civic nationalism informed by HBD realism.

And, as many of you know, both are core contributors to this very webzine, The Unz Review.

This is rather portentuous, since the Unz Review/VDARE cluster is, between Sailer, James Thompson, a bevy of other dissident right figures, and the ghost of Razib Khan, a central hub of HBD realistic commentary on the web. On the great map of the Dark Enlightement and the Alt Right, it is also surely the closest to political “normalcy” on the Great Chain of Respectability.

Any serious moves on the part of Society 282 and tech giants against this cluster will surely herald the onset of full-fledged Lysenkoism in the US.

The Daily Stormer

I suspect The Daily Stormer is to the Alt Right/Dissident Right what normie journalists are to Steve Sailer: A good percentage of them read it, but far fewer want to admit it.

Insane, over the top Nazi shtick; it’s not much of an exaggeration to say Andrew Anglin is more hardcore than Hitler. It’s repulsive, to be sure, but also morbidly enchanting. Because Anglin is one heck of a funny writer – you have to be somewhat inured to having your moral sensibilities offended to really appreciate it, but many of his people are /pol/ veterans, after all. It’s not hard to see why, at close to 3 million monthly visits, it has far eclipsed the weather-related forum to become by far the most popular website on the Neo-Nazi Right.

Curiously, unlike the older wehraboo generation of Nazis, Anglin is strongly pro-Russian and pro-Putin – and it’s not even on account of ignorance about what Putin actually represents:

Here’s the thing. Vladimir Putin isn’t even really a fascist. He’s a conservative populist leader who’s doing his best to improve Russia’s situation by whatever means are necessary. He promotes traditional values because that’s what will hold the nation together.
He’s not even an ethnic nationalist, in the full sense of the term; Russia isn’t a nation, it’s a medieval-type multi-ethnic empire, including Moslems, Jews and other non-Whites. And Putin has no intention of changing that fact.
But he’s running a multi-ethnic state the way it needs to be run: by violently suppressing all rebellion, encouraging national pride, keeping the different ethnic groups mostly separated geographically (outside of Moscow) and closely monitoring all dissident groups.

Though his second in command and technical manager, Andrew Auernheimer (the hacker troll known as “weev”) is… another matter.

weev-on-ukraine

Though this certainly hasn’t stopped the presstitutes from trying to put their own spin on things:

… [Andrew Auernheimer] currently lives in Ukraine and has called on its pro-western, anti-Putin president, Petro Poroshenko, to step down.

Anyhow, the stormers have had such a barrage of punishment unleashed upon them by the powers that be that they have been effectively “unpersoned” from the Internet in the past few days.

(1) DNS service provider GoDaddy gave The Daily Stormer a one day warning to take their business elsewhere.

(2) They took it to Google of all places, which promptly suspended service within a couple of hours.

(3) They then tried dailystormer.wang, but the “sneaky, bucktoothed Chinese” made sure that didn’t last long.

(4) The content delivery network Cloudflare ceased providing service, making the site vulnerable to DDoS attacks that promptly shut it down.

It is noteworthy that Cloudflare has long boasted of its absolute commitment to content neutrality, even being criticized for providing support to Islamic terrorist groups.

But a group of Neo-Nazis who don’t appear to have killed anybody to date – apart, perhaps, from Russians in Ukraine, if weev’s boasts are to be believed, but Hillary McCain and the Blue Checkmarks don’t consider them to be humans anyway – are 1,488 negative social justice karma points too much for them.

So much so that they are willing to invalidate their one truly unique selling point for the sake of virtue signalling.

(5) When Cloudflare service ended, The Daily Stormer’s hosting provider was revealed to have been Digital Ocean, which promptly ditched them as well.

daily-stormer-putler-trump(6) Finally, they went to the based Putlerreich… which promptly fobbed them off as well.

The T-Journal has the story.

The Stormers registered dailystormer.ru with Ru-Center on August 15. A day later, the Russian web censor Roskomnadzor sent them a letter requested them to stop delegating the domain in the .ru zone.

However, this had no legal force, since it was not backed up by a court judgment; it not realistic to procure it on such short notice. Therefore, it was something that the Russian registrar had done on its own initiative.

Not that it curried Russia favor with any of the Blue Checkmarks.

blue-checkmarks-on-daily-stormer

While the initial reports of The Daily Stormer joining back up with Putler got tens of thousands of RT’s, the response to the follow-up that it was kicked out within a day was… *crickets*.

The Ascent of Society 282

There are three big forces that are driving the end of the end of the classical liberal idea of freedom of speech as a foundational principle in the United States.

Generational change

Millennials are far less supportive of free speech (expressed as “support for censoring offensive statements about minorities” – as hazy and Orwellian a definition as you can get, considering that one can choose to be offended by anything) than any other generation. Maybe “Generation Z(yklon)” will reverse this trend 2-3 decades down the line, as Audacious Epigone hopes, but don’t count your chickens before the eggs are hatched.

pew-millennials-anti-free-speech

E-mobs

The braying Twitter mob can roar its condemnation of some individual on a scale never before seen in history. Historically, a poet or philosopher ostracized from his home city could wanter off to seek his fortune in a faraway land. Only a limited number of people could ever participate in a witch-hunt due to restrictions of physical space and information flow. The Internet and social media allows the instant participation of millions in Two Minute mobs, creating unimaginable and unprecedented pressure on tech companies, employers, student conduct boards, etc. to purge them.

Tech oligopolies

The products of tech companies are more and more intertwined with our everyday lives.

The most germane aspect of this influence for dissidents are media platforms: The complex of DNS registrars, web hosts, and CDN providers that you need to run a website; the social media (Twitter, Facebook, etc.) behemoths that account for an ever greater percentage of news delivery; the online payments systems that finance them.

But it doesn’t stop there. As Egor Kholmogorov succinctly remarked, “In this new world, if your politics aren’t approved of by the owners of Uber, or Airbnb, or food delivery services – you will have to walk by foot and remain hungry and stay at home.” Airbnb has been permanently deactivating the accounts of people it suspected of planning to march on the Alt Right side in Charlottesville. Uber has kicked off people who participated as well.

This trend is only going to intensify. Cars are going to get automated. Google Glass or something similar is a matter of time as well. Combining them with reputational apps will allow the global village to identify its pariahs on sight.

As the Marxists said, you can’t have an ideological superstructure without the economic base; by cutting off the latter, you can strangle the former.

Global Impact

For all the SJW retrogression, America is still the one place in the world that is most firmly committed to the ideal of free speech.

map-pew-free-speech-poll

Considering the global economic scope of America’s tech giants, and the hegemony of its culture, the creeping introduction of the “hate speech” exception towards the First Amendment will have global reverberations.

Proponents of liberty will no longer even be able to say, “But what about America?”

And there will be a rapid universalization of authoritarian Social Justice as a global values system.

Solutions

These fall into three bins, though each has their own very big problems.

menaquinone4-zucks-vision(There used to be a fourth one, namely, Moldbug/Curtis Yarvin’s ideas about neocameralism and Silicon Valley techno-monarchy. Congrats, you sort of got that. How’s it working out?).

Exile to Lagos

This is the oldest solution – just flee from the mob to somewhere a bit saner.

This is already happening. In the past, many people moved to the United States, for its more congenial intellectual (and legal!) atmosphere. Mark Steyn and The Derb immediately come to mind.

More recently, crimethinkers have started an exodus into Eastern Europe. Budapest already hosts a small Alt Right hub, Matt Forney having decamped there. AltRight.com’s Vincent Law is based in Saint-Petersburg.

Problem: The aborigines don’t necessary care all that much for your ideology or welfare, especially if you get in the way of favorable horse-trades.

Somewhat hilariously, Orban’s Hungary is the only European country that Richard Spencer has been deported from to date.

And as the recent experience of The Daily Stormer has shown, Russia isn’t any nicer to foreign nationalists than to its own, if and when the heat gets turned on.

As a matter of fact, some of the kremlins might have just decided to dump Trump overboard because they got very very sad hearing about the big bad Orange Nazi from CNN – a testament, if there ever was one, to the sheer power and influence of the American deep state and its propaganda organs.

kremlins-sad

The big, sad secret of ROG is that it’s about as real as Trump’s collusion with Russia. I.e., it doesn’t exist.

There is no escape from ZOG.

Alternative ecosystems

As the tech giants have grown more domineering, they have spawned a set of alternatives.

For instance, Gab.ai for Twitter (my profile there: https://gab.ai/akarlin, for whenever I finally get shoahed from Twitter), and Hatreon (https://hatreon.us/akarlin/), an alternative to Patreon that also hosts a variety of personalities considered to be too unreputable for the handshakeworthy version.

This, too, has many problems.

hatreon-ditched-by-digital-ocean First, the Internet’s infrastructure is highly complex and interconnected, and even these sites still need higher-level resources to run properly. A concerted effort from establishment players can squeeze out the upstarts. Even as I write this, Hatreon is down, because Digital Ocean pulled its web hosting support in the wake of the scandal around The Daily Stormer thanks to the public connection made by a Blue Checkmark journalist.

Second, the lure of money can be even more powerful than the threat of retribution. Twitter, too, had a reputation for free speech absolutism back during the Wikileaks-Cablegate era. That ended as soon as it started rivaling Facebook and attracting celebrities and other handshakeworthy people to its platform. The CEO of Gab.ai, Andrew Torba, has been blacklisted from the Silicon Valley social scene, including the Y Combinator start-up incubator, for Tweeting a “build the wall” meme, which apparently made some Y Combinator members feel “unsafe.” There are powerful material and reputational incentives for such people to get back in line.

Into the Deep Web

If we are fated to drift into a hardcore cyberpunk dystopia controlled by faceless tech oligopolies, then we might as well start living up to the genre’s aesthetics.

For instance, The Daily Stormer already has a deep web presence at http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/ (can be accessed using the TOR Browser). The deep web hosts all kinds of underground markets for shady and illegal products, such as drugs, stolen information, casinos, weapons, CP, even hitman services (though it’s likely most of those are feds).

In the dankest timeline, where Zuckerberg lords over a mulatto underclass clicking sponsored content all day, soylent is the only legal food, and your basic income determined by social justice quotient of your social media posts and shares, it is feasible that all the cool blogs and websites and videos retreat into samizdat in the deep web, leaving Picus News – the collective CNN/FOX/Buzzfeed – on the surface.

There already exists a readymade solution for financing difficulties once Paypal and the half a dozen other players cut you off: Cryptocurrencies.

A more exotic variant that I have suggested in the past is to create a social media/communications platofrm on blockchain-based principles. This might be the only viable longterm solution as the Bilderbergers and Picus TV continue to extend their tentacles.

 
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  1. the creeping introduction of the “hate speech” exception towards the First Amendment

    I’m willing to bet that most Americans under the age of 25 believe there already is a “hate speech” exception to the First Amendment.

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  2. Randal says:

    But hey it’s ok because the respectable right will be allowed to carry on unmolested, right? I mean, as long as they keep on insisting loudly enough that they despise those contemptible hate-merchants in the samizdat right, and are properly respectful of their progressive moral superiors. Oh, and as long as they have the sense to stay quiet and obedient while anything they like in their culture and history is deleted in order to make it less hateful.

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  3. I think at least for some more decades another possibility will be to simply forget that the internet exists, move to some remote region and live like people have lived between 1910 and 1990: with telephone, car, fridge, but no computer.

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  4. iffen says:

    Safe Space for Nazis!

    naw

    I Stand with Hitler!

    naw

    Lean In for Fascists!

    naw

    This is going to be difficult.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    The quote "first they came for the communists" is a cliche, but you might think about it a bit deeper.

    Communists at the time (both 1933 when the Nazis first came for them, and after 1945 when Niemöller said it) actually meant hardline Stalinists. After 1945 they were actively building a Stalinist dictatorship in East Germany.

    Niemöller was also a rightist nationalist conservative (initially supportive of Hitler). He was totally opposed to Social Democrats and unionists.

    Therefore, the quote should read:

    "First they came for people conspiring to build a mass murderous totalitarian dictatorship, but I didn't speak out, because I wasn't one of them and didn't agree with them at all and actually I hated them pretty much, and with good reasons. Then they came for some serious political opponents of me, but I didn't speak out, because they were my political opponents. Then they came for me..."

    This quote is actually about how it's not quite right when they "come" for your opponents, however despicable they might be.

    , @Felix Keverich
    The issue here is that it's not just the actual fascists, who are being delegitimised: any kind of pro-White activism will get you labelled a "Nazi" and blocked out of everything. Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that's problematic.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    The truth is that if they're allowed to carry on, they will shut down even moderates. We cannot allow this.
  5. @iffen
    Safe Space for Nazis!

    naw

    I Stand with Hitler!

    naw

    Lean In for Fascists!

    naw

    This is going to be difficult.

    The quote “first they came for the communists” is a cliche, but you might think about it a bit deeper.

    Communists at the time (both 1933 when the Nazis first came for them, and after 1945 when Niemöller said it) actually meant hardline Stalinists. After 1945 they were actively building a Stalinist dictatorship in East Germany.

    Niemöller was also a rightist nationalist conservative (initially supportive of Hitler). He was totally opposed to Social Democrats and unionists.

    Therefore, the quote should read:

    “First they came for people conspiring to build a mass murderous totalitarian dictatorship, but I didn’t speak out, because I wasn’t one of them and didn’t agree with them at all and actually I hated them pretty much, and with good reasons. Then they came for some serious political opponents of me, but I didn’t speak out, because they were my political opponents. Then they came for me…”

    This quote is actually about how it’s not quite right when they “come” for your opponents, however despicable they might be.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    The quote “first they came for the communists” is a cliche, but you might think about it a bit deeper.
     
    It's so obviously directly applicable to this situation that it's noteworthy that iffen, of all people, with his oft-expressed special concern for demonising the archetypal enemies of the jewish people, earlier today chose specifically to mock its application to this situation.
    , @iffen
    This makes for interesting thought. The salient fact remains that IF I have to choose between being ruled by the crazed left (actually existing society) and pushing for rule by Nazis, I am going to stick with the current rulers. At least left wing crazies believe in the blank slate so there is always the chance that one can be sent for re-education and rehabilitation. As a matter of fact, a smart eager beaver that went through rehab could probably make a halfway decent career out of testifying to past sins. OTOH, Nazis believe it's "in the blood" so they just shoot you, no chance for re-education.
  6. @iffen
    Safe Space for Nazis!

    naw

    I Stand with Hitler!

    naw

    Lean In for Fascists!

    naw

    This is going to be difficult.

    The issue here is that it’s not just the actual fascists, who are being delegitimised: any kind of pro-White activism will get you labelled a “Nazi” and blocked out of everything. Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that’s problematic.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that’s problematic

    Since we will be a minority, we will get all the attendant minority rights, status and privileges, right?
    , @helena
    "Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that’s problematic."


    Britain is undergoing a subtle ideological shift from minority to majority 'concerns', in keeping with the increasing size of combined minorities.
    , @Arthur Frayn
    It doesn't even have to be pro-white, all it need be is anti immigration.
  7. The deep web hosts all kinds of underground markets for shady and illegal products, such as drugs, stolen information, casinos, weapons, CP, even hitman services (though it’s likely most of those are feds).

    Of all these, the only thing that would really interest me would be legally distributed free information. We might go back to bare text files (I hear Tor is so slow), but after having started reading a bunch of Dark Enlightenment / Alt Right / HBD blogs and websites, I cannot go back to being a normie.

    Some seem to be able to survive. Like Greg Cochran is old, probably he won’t be shut down as long as he’s alive. The Unz Review… I’m not so sure. Ron Unz just agreed to this comment of mine, we can only hope this website can keep going as long as possible.

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    • Replies: @Strelkov
    You can always contribute to the TOR network by running a relay or better still an exit node: https://www.eff.org/torchallenge/what-is-tor.html

    The Rapsberry Pi 3 single board computer can transfer a lot of data if left on 24-7/365 which it is more than capable of doing. In this way you can contribute to the bandwidth of TOR network capacity. ANd if you are worried about being black-listed by an ISP, etc just run the TOR relay through a cheap VPN provider like PIA. Everything you need will cost you less than $60 for the first year and depending on your internet speed you can transmit hundreds of gigabytes of TOR traffic on a weekly or monthly basis.

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  8. I rather doubt that Putin cares or even knows about “Blue Checkmarks” or their opponents. It’s just the whole Soviet anti-Nazi complex that is not going to go away any time soon.

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    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    It is quite remarkable, the extent to which contemporary Russian mindset is still being influenced by antiquated Soviet propaganda. BTW it's "anti-fascist complex", the word "Nazi" never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon for some reason.
  9. Hmm, sounds like pretty bad prospects, maybe nuclear war would have its positives as well.

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  10. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Remember that tweet?

    Russia punishes crimethink with law (Article 282)
    Americans happy to self-police
    Europe has the worst (best for SJWs/commies) of both worlds

    Has America joined Europe?

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    • Replies: @anonHUN
    Rather Canada, that is the model country for the American Left.
  11. Mr. Hack says:

    … [Andrew Auernheimer] currently lives in Ukraine and has called on its pro-western, anti-Putin president, Petro Poroshenko, to step down.

    Now why would anybody, much less Petro Poroshenko, take the ravings of this imbiber of LSD and ecstacy seriously? His natural market should remain in the US where he can titillate the imaginations of the ‘Gay Nigger Association of America’ of which he was formerly the president. Another loony tune American Jew on the order of Brother Nathanael. :-)

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    • Replies: @Matra
    He just trolls people. Last I heard he was living in Abkhazia, recognised only by Russia and a couple of other states. Maybe he goes from country to country depending on visa issues.
  12. @Daniil Adamov
    I rather doubt that Putin cares or even knows about "Blue Checkmarks" or their opponents. It's just the whole Soviet anti-Nazi complex that is not going to go away any time soon.

    It is quite remarkable, the extent to which contemporary Russian mindset is still being influenced by antiquated Soviet propaganda. BTW it’s “anti-fascist complex”, the word “Nazi” never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon for some reason.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    the word “Nazi” never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon
     
    Because it's a derivative of National Socialist, and they didn't want people to ask awkward questions about how close that was to the supposed socialism in the USSR.
    , @Verymuchalive
    Rather like the mindset in Britain is still influenced by antiquated wartime and immediate post-war propaganda. Despite helping to lose the British Empire and nearly bankrupt the country, Churchill is still regarded as the greatest ever Briton, if you believe the surveys. Also, a surprisingly large number seem to regard Putin as an ideological successor of Stalin.
    , @Dr. X

    It is quite remarkable, the extent to which contemporary Russian mindset is still being influenced by antiquated Soviet propaganda. BTW it’s “anti-fascist complex”, the word “Nazi” never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon for some reason.
     
    Well, several reasons for this. "Nazi" isn't really a word, it's slang for "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei," or "National Socialist German Workers' Party."

    They never referred to themselves as "Nazis," always as "National Socialists" -- as opposed to International Socialists, who we know as "communists." Both sides claimed to be "socialists" and "workers' parties."

    The difference was that the National Socialists were willing to allow private enterprise as long as it was subordinate to the state-controlled corporatist economic system. Communists insisted on a state monopoly of the ownership of all industry.

    In addition, you must remember that the "Nazis" were not the only ones who invaded the USSR in 1941; Hungarian, Romanian and Italian anti-Soviet "fascist" armies participated in Barbarossa as Hitler's allies.

  13. Somewhat hilariously, Orban’s Hungary is the only European country that Richard Spencer has been deported from to date.

    This is also the only country where Spencer tried to organize a conference.

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  14. Randal says:
    @reiner Tor
    The quote "first they came for the communists" is a cliche, but you might think about it a bit deeper.

    Communists at the time (both 1933 when the Nazis first came for them, and after 1945 when Niemöller said it) actually meant hardline Stalinists. After 1945 they were actively building a Stalinist dictatorship in East Germany.

    Niemöller was also a rightist nationalist conservative (initially supportive of Hitler). He was totally opposed to Social Democrats and unionists.

    Therefore, the quote should read:

    "First they came for people conspiring to build a mass murderous totalitarian dictatorship, but I didn't speak out, because I wasn't one of them and didn't agree with them at all and actually I hated them pretty much, and with good reasons. Then they came for some serious political opponents of me, but I didn't speak out, because they were my political opponents. Then they came for me..."

    This quote is actually about how it's not quite right when they "come" for your opponents, however despicable they might be.

    The quote “first they came for the communists” is a cliche, but you might think about it a bit deeper.

    It’s so obviously directly applicable to this situation that it’s noteworthy that iffen, of all people, with his oft-expressed special concern for demonising the archetypal enemies of the jewish people, earlier today chose specifically to mock its application to this situation.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    to this situation that it’s noteworthy that iffen, of all people, with his oft-expressed special concern for demonising the archetypal enemies of the jewish people

    Are we making progress? Are we getting closer to iffen's original sin? It's not so much that he rejects Nazis, it's that he ..........
  15. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor
    The quote "first they came for the communists" is a cliche, but you might think about it a bit deeper.

    Communists at the time (both 1933 when the Nazis first came for them, and after 1945 when Niemöller said it) actually meant hardline Stalinists. After 1945 they were actively building a Stalinist dictatorship in East Germany.

    Niemöller was also a rightist nationalist conservative (initially supportive of Hitler). He was totally opposed to Social Democrats and unionists.

    Therefore, the quote should read:

    "First they came for people conspiring to build a mass murderous totalitarian dictatorship, but I didn't speak out, because I wasn't one of them and didn't agree with them at all and actually I hated them pretty much, and with good reasons. Then they came for some serious political opponents of me, but I didn't speak out, because they were my political opponents. Then they came for me..."

    This quote is actually about how it's not quite right when they "come" for your opponents, however despicable they might be.

    This makes for interesting thought. The salient fact remains that IF I have to choose between being ruled by the crazed left (actually existing society) and pushing for rule by Nazis, I am going to stick with the current rulers. At least left wing crazies believe in the blank slate so there is always the chance that one can be sent for re-education and rehabilitation. As a matter of fact, a smart eager beaver that went through rehab could probably make a halfway decent career out of testifying to past sins. OTOH, Nazis believe it’s “in the blood” so they just shoot you, no chance for re-education.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    The salient fact remains that IF I have to choose between being ruled by the crazed left (actually existing society) and pushing for rule by Nazis, I am going to stick with the current rulers.
     
    Now steady on. Remember the "inanimate collection of debris that evokes the image of a spider" from yesterday? It's not about thinking that we are in the beginning stage of the 4th Reich for you. It's just a pragmatic thing about winning, or something like that.

    In reality of course the choice is between even more aggressively intrusive rule by the currently dominant crazed left, or standing up for the basic liberties and humanity of those you disagree with most profoundly, in the Voltaire sense. That would be a somewhat easier choice, one would have thought. Unless, of course, you think there might be some sort of slippery slope involved...?
    , @Reinhard
    People everywhere know about the satano-homo-judeo-marxist threat to their happiness and existence. The downfall of ZOG is just a matter of time and the jews KNOW that their time is short. That is why you see the internet ghetto uprising panic suppression-genocide reaction by the fearfully desperate jews. The more they tighten their grip the more people will slip through their fingers and work to bring about their downfall. The MASK IS OFF! They are their own worst enemies. Fear not, soon they will be gone.
  16. @Felix Keverich
    It is quite remarkable, the extent to which contemporary Russian mindset is still being influenced by antiquated Soviet propaganda. BTW it's "anti-fascist complex", the word "Nazi" never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon for some reason.

    the word “Nazi” never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon

    Because it’s a derivative of National Socialist, and they didn’t want people to ask awkward questions about how close that was to the supposed socialism in the USSR.

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    • Replies: @melanf

    Because it’s a derivative of National Socialist, and they didn’t want people to ask awkward questions about how close that was to the supposed socialism in the USSR.
     
    "National Socialist" was quite used by Soviet propaganda. And instead of "Nazi", was widely used the word "Нацисты" also derivative of National Socialist
  17. iffen says:
    @Felix Keverich
    The issue here is that it's not just the actual fascists, who are being delegitimised: any kind of pro-White activism will get you labelled a "Nazi" and blocked out of everything. Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that's problematic.

    Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that’s problematic

    Since we will be a minority, we will get all the attendant minority rights, status and privileges, right?

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    • LOL: German_reader, fnn
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    You have to be a fool to believe that. Btw the privileges include racial consciousness rights.
    , @Sergey Krieger
    You wish.
    , @Ironsides
    Only the White man is silly enough to kowtow to foreign nations on his own territory.

    Once any other ethnicity is in the majority and can claim U.S. territory as their own land permanently (e.g. Mexico Norte). they will operate in the way that every group of people except masochistic White idiots do, and arrange everything to THEIR advantage, while everyone else can go scratch around the edges.

    In short, everyone except the ruling majority will be third-class citizens with no rights -- pariahs in their own former land.
  18. @iffen
    Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that’s problematic

    Since we will be a minority, we will get all the attendant minority rights, status and privileges, right?

    You have to be a fool to believe that. Btw the privileges include racial consciousness rights.

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  19. Randal says:
    @iffen
    This makes for interesting thought. The salient fact remains that IF I have to choose between being ruled by the crazed left (actually existing society) and pushing for rule by Nazis, I am going to stick with the current rulers. At least left wing crazies believe in the blank slate so there is always the chance that one can be sent for re-education and rehabilitation. As a matter of fact, a smart eager beaver that went through rehab could probably make a halfway decent career out of testifying to past sins. OTOH, Nazis believe it's "in the blood" so they just shoot you, no chance for re-education.

    The salient fact remains that IF I have to choose between being ruled by the crazed left (actually existing society) and pushing for rule by Nazis, I am going to stick with the current rulers.

    Now steady on. Remember the “inanimate collection of debris that evokes the image of a spider” from yesterday? It’s not about thinking that we are in the beginning stage of the 4th Reich for you. It’s just a pragmatic thing about winning, or something like that.

    In reality of course the choice is between even more aggressively intrusive rule by the currently dominant crazed left, or standing up for the basic liberties and humanity of those you disagree with most profoundly, in the Voltaire sense. That would be a somewhat easier choice, one would have thought. Unless, of course, you think there might be some sort of slippery slope involved…?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    That would be a somewhat easier choice

    How about if I just stand up for my speech and you stand up for those with which you disagree, that would be easiest of all for me.
  20. Bliss says:

    Which is worse: the alt-right being shunned by liberals, or critics of Trump (including conservative ones) receiving death threats from the alt-right?

    Where is this love for freedom of speech (which is a liberal value) when death threats are made from your side?

    According to a recent poll only 4% of Americans support white nationalism. Trump does not need to pander to this fringe group who are deservedly becoming pariahs (they will support him anyway).

    Yesterday, Bannon called white-nationalists “clowns” and “losers”. A couple days before that Trump called racism an “evil” ideology. You all are facing a harsh reality check.

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    • Replies: @Randal
    You seem confused about who and what alt right is. It's a vague term used basically for anyone the speaker thinks is on the right but not part of the mainstream. "Ethno-nationalists" and Nazis can account themselves part of it, but they are not it, by any means. Some of the above the line writers here are considered part of the alt right, for instance, but not all of them are Nazis or ethno-nationalists.

    According to a recent poll only 4% of Americans support white nationalism. Trump does not need to pander to this fringe group who are deservedly becoming pariahs (they will support him anyway).
     
    Here's a reference to another poll you'll no doubt like:


    A HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted after the Charlottesville unrest (but before Mr Trump's Tuesday press conference) could also give clues as to why conservatives are taking pause.

    Fully 77% of Trump voters think the president "did enough" to condemn white nationalist violence in Charlottesville. Two-thirds of them had no problem with the president's delay in mentioning neo-Nazis and white supremacists by name.

    Perhaps most remarkably, 48% of Trump voters think the Charlottesville white nationalists either "have a point" (37%) or were "mostly right" (11%). And 68% of Trump voters see "a lot of discrimination" against white people in the US.
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40952797
    , @Saxon
    Big problems if you think a white survival movement is fringe and is "deservedly" being made pariahs, but I guess you drink the kool-aid and think the "inevitable brown future" won't look like Brazilian favelas or worse.
  21. iffen says:
    @Randal

    The quote “first they came for the communists” is a cliche, but you might think about it a bit deeper.
     
    It's so obviously directly applicable to this situation that it's noteworthy that iffen, of all people, with his oft-expressed special concern for demonising the archetypal enemies of the jewish people, earlier today chose specifically to mock its application to this situation.

    to this situation that it’s noteworthy that iffen, of all people, with his oft-expressed special concern for demonising the archetypal enemies of the jewish people

    Are we making progress? Are we getting closer to iffen’s original sin? It’s not so much that he rejects Nazis, it’s that he ……….

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  22. iffen says:
    @Randal

    The salient fact remains that IF I have to choose between being ruled by the crazed left (actually existing society) and pushing for rule by Nazis, I am going to stick with the current rulers.
     
    Now steady on. Remember the "inanimate collection of debris that evokes the image of a spider" from yesterday? It's not about thinking that we are in the beginning stage of the 4th Reich for you. It's just a pragmatic thing about winning, or something like that.

    In reality of course the choice is between even more aggressively intrusive rule by the currently dominant crazed left, or standing up for the basic liberties and humanity of those you disagree with most profoundly, in the Voltaire sense. That would be a somewhat easier choice, one would have thought. Unless, of course, you think there might be some sort of slippery slope involved...?

    That would be a somewhat easier choice

    How about if I just stand up for my speech and you stand up for those with which you disagree, that would be easiest of all for me.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    How about if I just stand up for my speech
     
    That would be great. Does that mean you will be taking up the opportunity I've given you three or four times now on this thread to set out what you see as the reasons for accounting yourself on the side of Civilisation in Gottfried's "war for Civilisation"?
  23. Randal says:
    @Bliss
    Which is worse: the alt-right being shunned by liberals, or critics of Trump (including conservative ones) receiving death threats from the alt-right?

    Where is this love for freedom of speech (which is a liberal value) when death threats are made from your side?

    According to a recent poll only 4% of Americans support white nationalism. Trump does not need to pander to this fringe group who are deservedly becoming pariahs (they will support him anyway).

    Yesterday, Bannon called white-nationalists “clowns” and “losers”. A couple days before that Trump called racism an “evil” ideology. You all are facing a harsh reality check.

    You seem confused about who and what alt right is. It’s a vague term used basically for anyone the speaker thinks is on the right but not part of the mainstream. “Ethno-nationalists” and Nazis can account themselves part of it, but they are not it, by any means. Some of the above the line writers here are considered part of the alt right, for instance, but not all of them are Nazis or ethno-nationalists.

    According to a recent poll only 4% of Americans support white nationalism. Trump does not need to pander to this fringe group who are deservedly becoming pariahs (they will support him anyway).

    Here’s a reference to another poll you’ll no doubt like:

    A HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted after the Charlottesville unrest (but before Mr Trump’s Tuesday press conference) could also give clues as to why conservatives are taking pause.

    Fully 77% of Trump voters think the president “did enough” to condemn white nationalist violence in Charlottesville. Two-thirds of them had no problem with the president’s delay in mentioning neo-Nazis and white supremacists by name.

    Perhaps most remarkably, 48% of Trump voters think the Charlottesville white nationalists either “have a point” (37%) or were “mostly right” (11%). And 68% of Trump voters see “a lot of discrimination” against white people in the US.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40952797

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    • Replies: @Bliss
    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Only 4% of americans “mostly agree” with white nationalists. While 73% “mostly disagree”.
    , @helena
    It's a bit late now but there was a time when Alt-Right could have made a bigger noise about being specifically an intellectual, discussion movement, because when I first came across the term that's how it seemed to me to be. After a lot of searching around, this site is the only one that I read and it only uses the word Controversial in its 'branding'.
  24. Randal says:
    @iffen
    That would be a somewhat easier choice

    How about if I just stand up for my speech and you stand up for those with which you disagree, that would be easiest of all for me.

    How about if I just stand up for my speech

    That would be great. Does that mean you will be taking up the opportunity I’ve given you three or four times now on this thread to set out what you see as the reasons for accounting yourself on the side of Civilisation in Gottfried’s “war for Civilisation”?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    the reasons for accounting yourself on the side of Civilisation

    1) I support the rule of law, which apparently failed in Charlottesville.

  25. @iffen
    Safe Space for Nazis!

    naw

    I Stand with Hitler!

    naw

    Lean In for Fascists!

    naw

    This is going to be difficult.

    The truth is that if they’re allowed to carry on, they will shut down even moderates. We cannot allow this.

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    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @iffen
    We cannot allow this.

    At this point, I don't see a lot of good options, and I don't see them being stopped any time soon.
  26. Bliss says:
    @Randal
    You seem confused about who and what alt right is. It's a vague term used basically for anyone the speaker thinks is on the right but not part of the mainstream. "Ethno-nationalists" and Nazis can account themselves part of it, but they are not it, by any means. Some of the above the line writers here are considered part of the alt right, for instance, but not all of them are Nazis or ethno-nationalists.

    According to a recent poll only 4% of Americans support white nationalism. Trump does not need to pander to this fringe group who are deservedly becoming pariahs (they will support him anyway).
     
    Here's a reference to another poll you'll no doubt like:


    A HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted after the Charlottesville unrest (but before Mr Trump's Tuesday press conference) could also give clues as to why conservatives are taking pause.

    Fully 77% of Trump voters think the president "did enough" to condemn white nationalist violence in Charlottesville. Two-thirds of them had no problem with the president's delay in mentioning neo-Nazis and white supremacists by name.

    Perhaps most remarkably, 48% of Trump voters think the Charlottesville white nationalists either "have a point" (37%) or were "mostly right" (11%). And 68% of Trump voters see "a lot of discrimination" against white people in the US.
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40952797

    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Only 4% of americans “mostly agree” with white nationalists. While 73% “mostly disagree”.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.
     
    Amongst the left and the establishment right [but I repeat myself], perhaps. That doesn't make it accurate - quite the contrary in fact.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure
     
    I'm familiar with the poll. It's no surprise that a group as marginalised and demonised as white supremacists gets low opinion poll ratings. The figures I quoted above are a lot more relevant to Trump politically - by and large his supporters are perfectly happy with his handling of the matter and don't share the media's insistence that he should have been more explicitly abasing of himself to the Black Lives Matter and antifa thugs. The poll you quoted supports that conclusion, with 62% saying his response was "strong enough" and only 15% saying it was "not strong enough".
    , @DFH
    'White racists'

    Is any white person who cares about the interests of their race a racist?
    , @Allen
    Here's the thing though, what are the approval rates of gay marriage today vs 20 years ago? What about approval rates of transgender bathrooms/surgery/public acceptance today vs 20 years ago? I'd bet hormones for 3 year-olds only had 4% approval in the 90's. There is still significant opposition to this stuff, but acceptance has skyrocketed in a very short time and they have effectively become socially acceptable, while opposition has been demonized. Things can change very, very quickly and there's no guarantee the future will be like the present.

    It's hard to gain enough power and influence to shift the overton window, but, once you have sufficient power and influence, I think it's pretty easy to shift it any direction you want (as can be seen in the media cheerleading of LGBT).

    In a short time, Trump has dragged immigration restriction out of the shadows and into public discussion. He's even unintentionally dragged white nationalism out into the open in a way it was not two years ago. From a certain perspective, being the victims of this month's two minute hate is at least a sign people have noticed your tiny, but growing influence.

    Of course Trump doesn't "need" white nationalists and of course most Americans don't want white nationalism (because most don't really know what it is). But the Left didn't need LGBT stuff in the 90's (and America didn't want it in the 90's) but activists working then are reaping their rewards in the present.

    Trump realizes it's not wise to alienate any allies and seems increasingly aware that being moderate won't win him any favors. Meanwhile, the alt-right is still here and still gaining influence. Who knows what it will look like in 10 years time. Ultimately, I think it can contribute to shifting the overton window (but only if it stops short of pure nazi/kkk stuff). Still, I've started to see comments on mainstream "normie" conservative sites that would have been shouted down as "anti-semitic" and "racist" even two years ago. These are tiny, tiny victories of course, but they still show promise and serve as encouragement to not give up yet.
    , @notanon

    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.
     
    genetics is true and the Boassian blank slate is a cultural Marxist lie invented to change US immigration policy.
  27. iffen says:
    @Randal

    How about if I just stand up for my speech
     
    That would be great. Does that mean you will be taking up the opportunity I've given you three or four times now on this thread to set out what you see as the reasons for accounting yourself on the side of Civilisation in Gottfried's "war for Civilisation"?

    the reasons for accounting yourself on the side of Civilisation

    1) I support the rule of law, which apparently failed in Charlottesville.

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  28. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The truth is that if they're allowed to carry on, they will shut down even moderates. We cannot allow this.

    We cannot allow this.

    At this point, I don’t see a lot of good options, and I don’t see them being stopped any time soon.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    This is when we need to look into options, then, because its not a pretty destination that we're going to. I see things differently from you - the Nazis are never going to fully gain power, their platform is ridiculous. A "functioning" Nazi society is sacrifices most of its most extreme ideas - such is the nature of ideological silliness if placed in a realm where actual performance is required.

    However, a functional far-left world is one that is functional and horrific to live in. Far better to keep the tension going and support the weaker side, so that insofar as we might be moderates, we would have somewhere to breathe in.
    , @Kevin C.

    At this point, I don’t see a lot of good options
     
    Because there aren't any.

    I don’t see them being stopped any time soon.
     
    Me neither.
  29. Randal says:
    @Bliss
    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Only 4% of americans “mostly agree” with white nationalists. While 73% “mostly disagree”.

    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.

    Amongst the left and the establishment right [but I repeat myself], perhaps. That doesn’t make it accurate – quite the contrary in fact.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure

    I’m familiar with the poll. It’s no surprise that a group as marginalised and demonised as white supremacists gets low opinion poll ratings. The figures I quoted above are a lot more relevant to Trump politically – by and large his supporters are perfectly happy with his handling of the matter and don’t share the media’s insistence that he should have been more explicitly abasing of himself to the Black Lives Matter and antifa thugs. The poll you quoted supports that conclusion, with 62% saying his response was “strong enough” and only 15% saying it was “not strong enough”.

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    • Replies: @Bliss

    The poll you quoted supports that conclusion, with 62% saying his response was “strong enough” and only 15% saying it was “not strong enough”.
     
    Where did you get those numbers? Certainly not from the poll I quoted:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Overall, 27% (not your 62%) thought Trump’s response was “strong enough”.

    The number for Democrats was 10% and for Republicans it was 59%. These reactions are skewed by party politics. Better to look at the Independents: 30% of them believed that Trump’s response was “strong enough” versus 52% who thought it wasn’t.
  30. Surely only Poland and Hungary remain as the only serious nations in which a traditionalist euro can comfortably make themselves a nest?

    I wonder if you took all the traditionalists, right-wingers, patriots etc. from all across Western Europe, I imagine they would be enough to form their own sovereign state. What are we (and I’m thinking everything from Salvini fanboys to hardline Gaullists to rock-hard Brexiteers) – 20%? 25%? Who can say exactly…but certainly in the tens of million…maybe it will come down to that one day.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    Maybe, we can only hope that the EU comes crashing down before they force Eastern Europe to travel down the same road. Would be good if the next economic downturn comes sooner rather than later, this could lead to the collapse of Germany and end the flow of Germany money and the attendant blackmailing power. If things get interesting, maybe even some parts of Germany could still be salvaged.
  31. Brabantian says: • Website

    Great profound piece by Mr Karlin here … one relevant factoid I might add from today’s news:

    The ‘Day the Internet Died’ – SJW censorship shut-downs enter big new phase … ‘Is this the day the Internet dies?’ asked an employee of Matthew Prince, Co-founder & CEO of Cloudfare, the utility most sites need to be protected from DDOS cyber-attacks, as Prince decided to start exercising political / moral judgements as to websites that ‘deserve’ to be left vulnerable to destruction … starting with the Daily Stormer

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-17/cloudflare-ceo-terminates-neo-nazi-site-after-waking-bad-mood

    So we see now, per Anatoly Karlin’s article above, how all major internet / funding platforms, are well-begun in choking off numerous websites & people from having a voice, via their universal adoption of the ‘Social Justice Warrior’ censorship agenda, pro-gay-&-LGBT, pro-migrant, ‘anti-racist’, ‘anti-anti-Semitic’ etc …

    Having started with shut-downs of alt-right voices, the controlling internet firms are now moving, as a united goliath, toward shutting down & destroying all websites violating their ‘moral standards’

    ‘We Are Doomed’ as John Derbyshire says

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Or this might be the new ascension of the darknet.
  32. melanf says:
    @reiner Tor

    the word “Nazi” never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon
     
    Because it's a derivative of National Socialist, and they didn't want people to ask awkward questions about how close that was to the supposed socialism in the USSR.

    Because it’s a derivative of National Socialist, and they didn’t want people to ask awkward questions about how close that was to the supposed socialism in the USSR.

    “National Socialist” was quite used by Soviet propaganda. And instead of “Nazi”, was widely used the word “Нацисты” also derivative of National Socialist

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    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    As a Russian and a student of Soviet history I cannot confirm that. It's really just "fascists". We were fighting "Fascist Germany" in the "Great Patriotic War".

    http://tipolog.livejournal.com/71247.html

    I was always bothered by this obvious inaccuracy. reiner Tor's comment makes perfect sense.
  33. @Pumblechook
    Surely only Poland and Hungary remain as the only serious nations in which a traditionalist euro can comfortably make themselves a nest?

    I wonder if you took all the traditionalists, right-wingers, patriots etc. from all across Western Europe, I imagine they would be enough to form their own sovereign state. What are we (and I'm thinking everything from Salvini fanboys to hardline Gaullists to rock-hard Brexiteers) - 20%? 25%? Who can say exactly...but certainly in the tens of million...maybe it will come down to that one day.

    Maybe, we can only hope that the EU comes crashing down before they force Eastern Europe to travel down the same road. Would be good if the next economic downturn comes sooner rather than later, this could lead to the collapse of Germany and end the flow of Germany money and the attendant blackmailing power. If things get interesting, maybe even some parts of Germany could still be salvaged.

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    • Replies: @Greasy William
    Germany is in excellent economic shape.

    The Western economies that are in short term trouble: Canada, Australia, France, Sweden and Norway. Canada should go in the next 2 years and that will likely kick off the rest.

    We have to hope that terrorism and financial crisis in France, Sweden and Norway are enough to bring down the EU. Germany itself is a rock, the war can only be won on the periphery.

    The US will be facing it's next economic crisis in around 2024 and it will be much worse than the 2008 crisis. I am reasonably optimistic that that will begin the process of the breakup of the US and the consequent end of the Globalist system.
    , @Pumblechook
    I guess we both know that in the west, brazilification is the realistic outcome. How can it be otherwise given the kali-yuga-esque trance our people seem to live under.

    I suppose the best you can hope for in the west is the emergence of a two-tier society - with a heavily Islamic underclass on the bottom which you simply don't have to interact with. Because although European populations are declining, even the worst-hit countries will still be 70% Euro for the next few decades.

    Of course, that is the cowards option but what can you do. For the time being, I am just focused on starting a family with my wife, building my career to ensure a safe environment for that family and realtalking as many friends/family as possible. My Natalie's propaganda is stuff of legend amongst my friends at this point - but if I have encouraged even 1-2 extra births for our homeland then I am satisfied.
  34. Mr. XYZ says:

    : I agree that the alt-right shouldn’t be censored (after all, I oppose censoring and criminalizing even things such as Holocaust denial).

    Also, though, I suspect that the witch hunts that politically correct people launch and pursue could eventually backfire on them. Indeed, how many more Jason Richwines and James Damores is it going to take before people are going to become resist to politically correct people launching witch hunts?

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  35. Matra says:
    @Mr. Hack

    … [Andrew Auernheimer] currently lives in Ukraine and has called on its pro-western, anti-Putin president, Petro Poroshenko, to step down.
     
    Now why would anybody, much less Petro Poroshenko, take the ravings of this imbiber of LSD and ecstacy seriously? His natural market should remain in the US where he can titillate the imaginations of the 'Gay Nigger Association of America' of which he was formerly the president. Another loony tune American Jew on the order of Brother Nathanael. :-)

    He just trolls people. Last I heard he was living in Abkhazia, recognised only by Russia and a couple of other states. Maybe he goes from country to country depending on visa issues.

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  36. @melanf

    Because it’s a derivative of National Socialist, and they didn’t want people to ask awkward questions about how close that was to the supposed socialism in the USSR.
     
    "National Socialist" was quite used by Soviet propaganda. And instead of "Nazi", was widely used the word "Нацисты" also derivative of National Socialist

    As a Russian and a student of Soviet history I cannot confirm that. It’s really just “fascists”. We were fighting “Fascist Germany” in the “Great Patriotic War”.

    http://tipolog.livejournal.com/71247.html

    I was always bothered by this obvious inaccuracy. reiner Tor‘s comment makes perfect sense.

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  37. @iffen
    We cannot allow this.

    At this point, I don't see a lot of good options, and I don't see them being stopped any time soon.

    This is when we need to look into options, then, because its not a pretty destination that we’re going to. I see things differently from you – the Nazis are never going to fully gain power, their platform is ridiculous. A “functioning” Nazi society is sacrifices most of its most extreme ideas – such is the nature of ideological silliness if placed in a realm where actual performance is required.

    However, a functional far-left world is one that is functional and horrific to live in. Far better to keep the tension going and support the weaker side, so that insofar as we might be moderates, we would have somewhere to breathe in.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Daniel Chieh,

    the Nazis are never going to fully gain power, their platform is ridiculous
     
    Agree.

    a functional far-left world
     
    Not sure if that is possible either - we are in a big experiment and thus far, moving a society far to the left is not necessarily going smoothly, so I think the jury is still out on whether this can happen or not.

    Plus, to establish a far-left world, they're going to have to go through us - and that front has not been going so well for them since about the 90's.

    Extreme ideologies of many stripes tend to be dysfunctional - Daesh is a pretty good case in point from our side; they drove a territory almost as big as Jordan into the ground by making enemies out of everybody and including the people living under them in a fairly short time.

    Peace.
    , @iffen
    I see things differently from you – the Nazis are never going to fully gain power

    I am not sure how you got the idea that I think Nazis are coming to power.

    I think that if there is going to be (none existing now) organized political opposition to the crazed and extreme leftists in power then it would be a mistake to incorporate Nazi ideas into your political program.
  38. DFH says:
    @Bliss
    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Only 4% of americans “mostly agree” with white nationalists. While 73% “mostly disagree”.

    ‘White racists’

    Is any white person who cares about the interests of their race a racist?

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  39. @Brabantian
    Great profound piece by Mr Karlin here ... one relevant factoid I might add from today's news:

    The 'Day the Internet Died' - SJW censorship shut-downs enter big new phase ... 'Is this the day the Internet dies?' asked an employee of Matthew Prince, Co-founder & CEO of Cloudfare, the utility most sites need to be protected from DDOS cyber-attacks, as Prince decided to start exercising political / moral judgements as to websites that 'deserve' to be left vulnerable to destruction ... starting with the Daily Stormer
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-17/cloudflare-ceo-terminates-neo-nazi-site-after-waking-bad-mood

    So we see now, per Anatoly Karlin's article above, how all major internet / funding platforms, are well-begun in choking off numerous websites & people from having a voice, via their universal adoption of the 'Social Justice Warrior' censorship agenda, pro-gay-&-LGBT, pro-migrant, 'anti-racist', 'anti-anti-Semitic' etc ...

    Having started with shut-downs of alt-right voices, the controlling internet firms are now moving, as a united goliath, toward shutting down & destroying all websites violating their 'moral standards'

    'We Are Doomed' as John Derbyshire says
    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/4195/7836/original.jpg

    Or this might be the new ascension of the darknet.

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  40. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    This is when we need to look into options, then, because its not a pretty destination that we're going to. I see things differently from you - the Nazis are never going to fully gain power, their platform is ridiculous. A "functioning" Nazi society is sacrifices most of its most extreme ideas - such is the nature of ideological silliness if placed in a realm where actual performance is required.

    However, a functional far-left world is one that is functional and horrific to live in. Far better to keep the tension going and support the weaker side, so that insofar as we might be moderates, we would have somewhere to breathe in.

    Hey Daniel Chieh,

    the Nazis are never going to fully gain power, their platform is ridiculous

    Agree.

    a functional far-left world

    Not sure if that is possible either – we are in a big experiment and thus far, moving a society far to the left is not necessarily going smoothly, so I think the jury is still out on whether this can happen or not.

    Plus, to establish a far-left world, they’re going to have to go through us – and that front has not been going so well for them since about the 90′s.

    Extreme ideologies of many stripes tend to be dysfunctional – Daesh is a pretty good case in point from our side; they drove a territory almost as big as Jordan into the ground by making enemies out of everybody and including the people living under them in a fairly short time.

    Peace.

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  41. Bliss says:
    @Randal

    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.
     
    Amongst the left and the establishment right [but I repeat myself], perhaps. That doesn't make it accurate - quite the contrary in fact.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure
     
    I'm familiar with the poll. It's no surprise that a group as marginalised and demonised as white supremacists gets low opinion poll ratings. The figures I quoted above are a lot more relevant to Trump politically - by and large his supporters are perfectly happy with his handling of the matter and don't share the media's insistence that he should have been more explicitly abasing of himself to the Black Lives Matter and antifa thugs. The poll you quoted supports that conclusion, with 62% saying his response was "strong enough" and only 15% saying it was "not strong enough".

    The poll you quoted supports that conclusion, with 62% saying his response was “strong enough” and only 15% saying it was “not strong enough”.

    Where did you get those numbers? Certainly not from the poll I quoted:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Overall, 27% (not your 62%) thought Trump’s response was “strong enough”.

    The number for Democrats was 10% and for Republicans it was 59%. These reactions are skewed by party politics. Better to look at the Independents: 30% of them believed that Trump’s response was “strong enough” versus 52% who thought it wasn’t.

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    Same poll, I just didn't make it clear enough that I was giving the figures for "Trump supporters". They are the ones that matter for Trump.

    Here are the figures:

    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us170814_PBS/NPR_PBS%20NewsHour_Marist%20Poll_National%20Nature%20of%20the%20Sample%20and%20Tables_August%2017,%202017.pdf#page=3
  42. Randal says:
    @Bliss

    The poll you quoted supports that conclusion, with 62% saying his response was “strong enough” and only 15% saying it was “not strong enough”.
     
    Where did you get those numbers? Certainly not from the poll I quoted:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Overall, 27% (not your 62%) thought Trump’s response was “strong enough”.

    The number for Democrats was 10% and for Republicans it was 59%. These reactions are skewed by party politics. Better to look at the Independents: 30% of them believed that Trump’s response was “strong enough” versus 52% who thought it wasn’t.

    Same poll, I just didn’t make it clear enough that I was giving the figures for “Trump supporters”. They are the ones that matter for Trump.

    Here are the figures:

    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us170814_PBS/NPR_PBS%20NewsHour_Marist%20Poll_National%20Nature%20of%20the%20Sample%20and%20Tables_August%2017,%202017.pdf#page=3

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  43. El Dato says:

    So, can we make a request to ICANN for HTTP code 282 to be reserved for quietization purposes?

    Beginning with 2, it would actually be a success code, but that would be an advantage. Putting a smiley on things is always good.

    HTTP CODE 282: Unbaddened. Your request for badthink content has been successfully unbaddened.
    Response length: 0 bytes.

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  44. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    This is when we need to look into options, then, because its not a pretty destination that we're going to. I see things differently from you - the Nazis are never going to fully gain power, their platform is ridiculous. A "functioning" Nazi society is sacrifices most of its most extreme ideas - such is the nature of ideological silliness if placed in a realm where actual performance is required.

    However, a functional far-left world is one that is functional and horrific to live in. Far better to keep the tension going and support the weaker side, so that insofar as we might be moderates, we would have somewhere to breathe in.

    I see things differently from you – the Nazis are never going to fully gain power

    I am not sure how you got the idea that I think Nazis are coming to power.

    I think that if there is going to be (none existing now) organized political opposition to the crazed and extreme leftists in power then it would be a mistake to incorporate Nazi ideas into your political program.

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    And it would seem to be a mistake to incorporate unironic Communists and insane gender warriors into the left, and yet they do it. It seems to be a rule that every element is always going to be represented by its most extreme elements.
  45. @iffen
    I see things differently from you – the Nazis are never going to fully gain power

    I am not sure how you got the idea that I think Nazis are coming to power.

    I think that if there is going to be (none existing now) organized political opposition to the crazed and extreme leftists in power then it would be a mistake to incorporate Nazi ideas into your political program.

    And it would seem to be a mistake to incorporate unironic Communists and insane gender warriors into the left, and yet they do it. It seems to be a rule that every element is always going to be represented by its most extreme elements.

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  46. Chuck says:

    “Give me control of a nation’s money supply, and I care not who makes its laws.”

    - Thou Who Shall Not Be Noticed

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    Fake quote as usually attributed. Forget it. Let's hear your thinking.
    , @jacques sheete

    “Give me control of a nation’s money supply, and I care not who makes its laws.”

    - Thou Who Shall Not Be Noticed
     

    I bet it won't take long for the usual gasbags to miss the point of that verity by claiming the quote is fake.

    On another note, from the article...:


    The CEO of Gab.ai, Andrew Torba, has been blacklisted from the Silicon Valley social scene...There are powerful material and reputational incentives for such people to get back in line.
     
    Back in the '20s Upton Sinclair described the concept and how it works in his, The Brass Check, The Goslings, and The Goosestep.

    More recently, Allison Wier gives her short but very well written account of one of her brushes with censorship and propaganda.


    As a result [of de facto censorship], Americans are largely left in the dark about the current reality and past history of the tiny, rich nation that receives more of our tax money than any other country on earth, currently at least $8 million per day, and that is at the center of profoundly important issues concerning both the region and our own nation.

    Israel and its partisans are working to make sure it stays that way. If Steinberg, Alfi, Leavenworth, the Bee, and McClatchy continue their current pattern, it doesn’t look like this is going to change anytime soon – unless enough people start to demand better.

    - Alison Weir, Denying Nazi-Zionist Collusion
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/03/04/denying-nazi-zionist-collusion/
     

  47. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “It is noteworthy that Cloudflare has long boasted of its absolute commitment to content neutrality, even being criticized for providing support to Islamic terrorist groups.

    But a group of Neo-Nazis who don’t appear to have killed anybody to date – apart, perhaps, from Russians in Ukraine, if weev’s boasts are to be believed, but Hillary McCain and the Blue Checkmarks don’t consider them to be humans anyway – are 1,488 negative social justice karma points too much for them.

    So much so that they are willing to invalidate their one truly unique selling point for the sake of virtue signalling.”

    This is complete nonsense. The Daily Stormer was banned by Cloudfare because of their claims that Cloudfare sympathized with their ideology. Now, even in the unlikely event that the claim was true, why would the Daily Stormer publicize it? The answer is the same as it would be if the claim wasn’t true: because they want to make their own professed ideology radioactive.

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    As I understand, it was only some chattering on the stormer forums that said Cloudfare was "one of them." I doubt it was really serious, more sarcastic wishful thinking.

    It's not like they were plastering "Cloudfare supports the Stormer!" on their webpage or any social accounts. It was a random comment on their forums, which are likely visited by a smaller number of people than visit the actual site.
  48. Yevardian says:

    I was promised Deus Ex and I got this?

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    we are going to get it, the current shit show is just part of the process. it is much easier to control when the population have no voice.
  49. notanon says:

    this phase was always inevitable

    although it’s happened a lot faster than i thought – which i *think* is a good sign

    #

    you have to be somewhat inured to having your moral sensibilities offended to really appreciate it, but many of his people are /pol/ veterans, after all.

    yeah, this is the odd thing. if you know about that kind of “edgier than edgy” humor then you know it’s the sort of thing that on balance would put off most normies so i’m surprised they shut it down. sign that they’re acting out of panic i guess.

    #

    i’m expecting an alt-internet to take shape within monthes maybe less – using the bad guy’s bandwidth for video/images.

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  50. The irony is that Russia just recently banned connections to the Tor network.

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  51. ussr andy says:

    companies should not even be able to do this. it’s one thing when a mom-and-pop bakery….

    I say starting with a certain degree of “systemicity” the full spectre of rights a citizen has v government (free speech, most importantly) has to apply to the company, or it is feudalism all over again.

    or just don’t let anyone become so systemic they can obstruct free expression.

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    in a way, this is already so, but it's only concerning silly Civil Rights and SJW stuff.
  52. ussr andy says:
    @ussr andy
    companies should not even be able to do this. it's one thing when a mom-and-pop bakery....

    I say starting with a certain degree of "systemicity" the full spectre of rights a citizen has v government (free speech, most importantly) has to apply to the company, or it is feudalism all over again.

    or just don't let anyone become so systemic they can obstruct free expression.

    in a way, this is already so, but it’s only concerning silly Civil Rights and SJW stuff.

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    can't they boot Molly or Crowder or something. Seeing the dumb faces on the "what keeps you from starting your own CDN, huh? huh?" crowd would be priceless.
    Sorry for spamming, I'm shutting up.
  53. ussr andy says:
    @ussr andy
    in a way, this is already so, but it's only concerning silly Civil Rights and SJW stuff.

    can’t they boot Molly or Crowder or something. Seeing the dumb faces on the “what keeps you from starting your own CDN, huh? huh?” crowd would be priceless.
    Sorry for spamming, I’m shutting up.

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  54. Faith Goldy fired from Rebel Media. I would defend her but she was stupid to hang with this crowd.

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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Maybe it’s time for Bitmessage subscriptions to become popular.
    That -combined with the system described in Thieves Emporium- should prevent anyone from stopping the signal.

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  56. anonHUN says:
    @Anon
    Remember that tweet?

    Russia punishes crimethink with law (Article 282)
    Americans happy to self-police
    Europe has the worst (best for SJWs/commies) of both worlds
     
    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/894926302460993536

    Has America joined Europe?

    Rather Canada, that is the model country for the American Left.

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  57. Allen says:
    @Bliss
    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Only 4% of americans “mostly agree” with white nationalists. While 73% “mostly disagree”.

    Here’s the thing though, what are the approval rates of gay marriage today vs 20 years ago? What about approval rates of transgender bathrooms/surgery/public acceptance today vs 20 years ago? I’d bet hormones for 3 year-olds only had 4% approval in the 90′s. There is still significant opposition to this stuff, but acceptance has skyrocketed in a very short time and they have effectively become socially acceptable, while opposition has been demonized. Things can change very, very quickly and there’s no guarantee the future will be like the present.

    It’s hard to gain enough power and influence to shift the overton window, but, once you have sufficient power and influence, I think it’s pretty easy to shift it any direction you want (as can be seen in the media cheerleading of LGBT).

    In a short time, Trump has dragged immigration restriction out of the shadows and into public discussion. He’s even unintentionally dragged white nationalism out into the open in a way it was not two years ago. From a certain perspective, being the victims of this month’s two minute hate is at least a sign people have noticed your tiny, but growing influence.

    Of course Trump doesn’t “need” white nationalists and of course most Americans don’t want white nationalism (because most don’t really know what it is). But the Left didn’t need LGBT stuff in the 90′s (and America didn’t want it in the 90′s) but activists working then are reaping their rewards in the present.

    Trump realizes it’s not wise to alienate any allies and seems increasingly aware that being moderate won’t win him any favors. Meanwhile, the alt-right is still here and still gaining influence. Who knows what it will look like in 10 years time. Ultimately, I think it can contribute to shifting the overton window (but only if it stops short of pure nazi/kkk stuff). Still, I’ve started to see comments on mainstream “normie” conservative sites that would have been shouted down as “anti-semitic” and “racist” even two years ago. These are tiny, tiny victories of course, but they still show promise and serve as encouragement to not give up yet.

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  58. helena says:
    @Felix Keverich
    The issue here is that it's not just the actual fascists, who are being delegitimised: any kind of pro-White activism will get you labelled a "Nazi" and blocked out of everything. Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that's problematic.

    “Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that’s problematic.”

    Britain is undergoing a subtle ideological shift from minority to majority ‘concerns’, in keeping with the increasing size of combined minorities.

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  59. Allen says:
    @Anonymous
    "It is noteworthy that Cloudflare has long boasted of its absolute commitment to content neutrality, even being criticized for providing support to Islamic terrorist groups.

    But a group of Neo-Nazis who don’t appear to have killed anybody to date – apart, perhaps, from Russians in Ukraine, if weev’s boasts are to be believed, but Hillary McCain and the Blue Checkmarks don’t consider them to be humans anyway – are 1,488 negative social justice karma points too much for them.

    So much so that they are willing to invalidate their one truly unique selling point for the sake of virtue signalling."

    This is complete nonsense. The Daily Stormer was banned by Cloudfare because of their claims that Cloudfare sympathized with their ideology. Now, even in the unlikely event that the claim was true, why would the Daily Stormer publicize it? The answer is the same as it would be if the claim wasn't true: because they want to make their own professed ideology radioactive.

    As I understand, it was only some chattering on the stormer forums that said Cloudfare was “one of them.” I doubt it was really serious, more sarcastic wishful thinking.

    It’s not like they were plastering “Cloudfare supports the Stormer!” on their webpage or any social accounts. It was a random comment on their forums, which are likely visited by a smaller number of people than visit the actual site.

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  60. helena says:
    @Randal
    You seem confused about who and what alt right is. It's a vague term used basically for anyone the speaker thinks is on the right but not part of the mainstream. "Ethno-nationalists" and Nazis can account themselves part of it, but they are not it, by any means. Some of the above the line writers here are considered part of the alt right, for instance, but not all of them are Nazis or ethno-nationalists.

    According to a recent poll only 4% of Americans support white nationalism. Trump does not need to pander to this fringe group who are deservedly becoming pariahs (they will support him anyway).
     
    Here's a reference to another poll you'll no doubt like:


    A HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted after the Charlottesville unrest (but before Mr Trump's Tuesday press conference) could also give clues as to why conservatives are taking pause.

    Fully 77% of Trump voters think the president "did enough" to condemn white nationalist violence in Charlottesville. Two-thirds of them had no problem with the president's delay in mentioning neo-Nazis and white supremacists by name.

    Perhaps most remarkably, 48% of Trump voters think the Charlottesville white nationalists either "have a point" (37%) or were "mostly right" (11%). And 68% of Trump voters see "a lot of discrimination" against white people in the US.
     
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40952797

    It’s a bit late now but there was a time when Alt-Right could have made a bigger noise about being specifically an intellectual, discussion movement, because when I first came across the term that’s how it seemed to me to be. After a lot of searching around, this site is the only one that I read and it only uses the word Controversial in its ‘branding’.

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    The biggest strength of this site, imo, apart from light censorship (which is very rare nowadays), is that it does publish quite a wide variety of opinions and writers, and pretty much lives up to its billing as publishing the opinions that are not generally published in the mainstream.


    there was a time when Alt-Right could have made a bigger noise about being specifically an intellectual, discussion movement
     
    I don't think the Alt-Right could ever have exercised any discipline over the direction it went because it was never any kind of cohesive organisation - just a self-descriptive term for some of those who were outside the pale of "respectable" right-wing opinion which was taken up by others in the same position.

    Personally, I have preferred to self-identify as dissident right, precisely because it has not been as defined in people's minds as the term "alt-right" has.
  61. WHAT says:

    Nobody could have predicted that (((weev))) would snitch for the shabbos goy neocohen regime in Kiev, absolutely nobody.

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  62. m___ says:

    Technical suggestions, the last one and former last one, are correct. They are also fruitless. The masses and steering the masses needs, short bursts, relies on the preposition of technical ignorance of the user, “shouts”.

    The cathedral, structured, complex world of ideas, building on ideas, referencing, collaborating, and (importantly and mostly neglected also by our better minds), correcting opinion if needed, and timelines of opinion, be it by encrypting and anonymizing sources, (the tor network is not a decentralized system in essence), (encryption needs nowledge to be applied to b-o-t-h sides, the provider a-n-d the receiving consumer end), requires ever again building reliable networks/systems ever again corrupted when they bloat, ever again resests and restarts.

    Add to the problem AI, where individual thought is multiplied by a machine grasp of intent, synthetic DNA and quantum computing somehow merged to any extend and judgement of the individual at the receiving end will come up short anytime.

    One of the core issues, the point made here, we live in the world we believe in and act upon the real world then, which translates our individual errors into confirmation of “cultural”, crowd behaviour.

    The analogy is not perfect, but since crypto currencies are mentioned, in matters of information, decentralized, anonymous access of garbage information(probably 99,99% of all information is redundant(a very important side effect, as in the analogous “mob” effect), and imprecize to righteous lies by ignorance and/or intent), will linger as just that, having a long shelf-life as garbage.

    Intentionally the writing style of this comment is not polished, concise, “simple” in sentencing, this has two sides: complex information does not take to “simple” explanations” that well, and as importantly, crowd information “public” destined information should b-e by matter of design. That makes for an impossible situation.

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  63. I hear they will try to impeach Trump.

    This is a golden opportunity. The Impeachment Circus will give many sides a great opportunity to offer their versions of story and history. It can serve as platform for so many counter-narratives.

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    well I hope they don't blow it. every time I hear cons trying to talk to libs, they let the libs take them off on tangents (strawmen, spurious correlations etc.) and into elephant traps - racist!!!

    the only way forward is to mirror everything libs say. it's the only way to avoid the elephant trap of relativism, leading to accusations of racism.

  64. Counter-Currents also to be taken down by globalists.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/08/building-the-electronic-ethnostate/#more-74231

    Enjoy this site while you can, because when you wake up tomorrow, Counter-Currents will probably be gone. Don’t worry, though, we will be back in a few days. Our webhosting service, under pressure from the anti-white establishment and its Jewish-Leftist vanguard is canceling our account, citing their politically correct “terms of service.”

    Glob has Platform Monopoly. Whites defending whiteness and Palestinians defending Palestine are subhuman scum.

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  65. United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech.

    Don’t make me laugh. Americans get fired for saying ‘niggardly’ or ‘chink in the armor’.

    Constitutionally endowed rights are only as good as the people exercising them. There’s a lot more freedom of speech in Denmark than there is in the US.

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    If you're not crude in your language (or question the Holocaust) there's probably more freedom of speech in Europe than in the US:
    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/08/building-the-electronic-ethnostate/#comment-1390693

    Expanding civil rights law to include all political opinions would be the best safeguard, would garner a wide range of support and offers the best chance of success. Here in England, Arthur Redfearn, (sacked by his employer for being an elected local councilor for the British National Party), eventually won his legal case at the highest of courts and now, in theory, no one in the European Union can be sacked from their job or discriminated against for, not only their race, religion, gender and sexual orientation, but also their political opinion.
     
  66. Strelkov says:
    @reiner Tor

    The deep web hosts all kinds of underground markets for shady and illegal products, such as drugs, stolen information, casinos, weapons, CP, even hitman services (though it’s likely most of those are feds).
     
    Of all these, the only thing that would really interest me would be legally distributed free information. We might go back to bare text files (I hear Tor is so slow), but after having started reading a bunch of Dark Enlightenment / Alt Right / HBD blogs and websites, I cannot go back to being a normie.

    Some seem to be able to survive. Like Greg Cochran is old, probably he won't be shut down as long as he's alive. The Unz Review... I'm not so sure. Ron Unz just agreed to this comment of mine, we can only hope this website can keep going as long as possible.

    You can always contribute to the TOR network by running a relay or better still an exit node: https://www.eff.org/torchallenge/what-is-tor.html

    The Rapsberry Pi 3 single board computer can transfer a lot of data if left on 24-7/365 which it is more than capable of doing. In this way you can contribute to the bandwidth of TOR network capacity. ANd if you are worried about being black-listed by an ISP, etc just run the TOR relay through a cheap VPN provider like PIA. Everything you need will cost you less than $60 for the first year and depending on your internet speed you can transmit hundreds of gigabytes of TOR traffic on a weekly or monthly basis.

    ~~~

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    Tor is more or less a honeypot, and possibly always was. Its historical sources of funding, and its history generally, are quite fascinating.
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  68. 5371 says:

    Aleksei Kovalev has never uttered a true word in his life. So if he calles this Krasheninnikova, whom I never heard of, “high in Russian propaganda hierarchy” (whatever that means) you know the reality is otherwise.

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  69. Deep State and Big Media are like Sheldon Adelson.

    Trump noticed the FACT that Antifa scum attacked first. OH MY!! HOW DARE HE!!!! You are not supposed to be a fair referee when it comes to ‘left’ and ‘right’. ‘Left’ has the moral right to punch ‘right’, but the ‘right’ has no right to punch back. And we better not even notice that the ‘left’ did the punching. That is how the Establishment reacted. (But the ‘right’ is better in Ukraine because Neo-Nazis fight Russia, and THAT is useful to Jewish globalism.)

    Recent outrage is a bigger version of what happened with Christie and Adelson.

    Christie was fawning before the mad Zionist mogul, but he used the term ‘occupied territories’, and OH MY, HOW OUTRAGEOUS!! How dare he use a term that describes the reality of the Occupation.

    All said and done, the reason why Jewish supremacists hate white identity is because self-aware whites will not serve Jewish interests above their own. That’s it in a nutshell. Jewish supremacism smears white identity as ‘supremacist’ to sustain its own supremacism. (Even if some white groups are ‘neo-nazi’ or ‘white supremacist’, they have NO such power, so it’s a moot situation.)

    Jewish Power per se is not the problem. Every group seeks and has power. Some have more than others. But if Jews have power and use that power for Jewish interests and identity, no big deal.

    The problem is Jews demand that other groups put Jewish Interests ABOVE their own. And if Jewish Globalists are at loggerheads with certain groups — Russians, Iranians, Palestinians, Syrians, etc — we must always side with Jews in kneejerk manner. We never get to choose. So, if white Americans feel siding with Russia is better than siding with Jewish globalists, don’t even think about it. SUCH is supremacism.

    If Jews seek Jewish power and if others seek their own power(as equally legit), and if Jews and others compete and negotiate and compromise, that’s fine. It’s as it should be.
    But the system is rigged so that non-Jews must put Jewish identity and interest ABOVE their own.
    That is clearly supremacism. But no one talks about it.

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  70. Andy Nowicki and Colin Liddell’s Alternative Right blog also gone.

    Funny since they played it reasonably safe.

    https://alternative-right.blogspot.com/

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  71. @Felix Keverich
    It is quite remarkable, the extent to which contemporary Russian mindset is still being influenced by antiquated Soviet propaganda. BTW it's "anti-fascist complex", the word "Nazi" never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon for some reason.

    Rather like the mindset in Britain is still influenced by antiquated wartime and immediate post-war propaganda. Despite helping to lose the British Empire and nearly bankrupt the country, Churchill is still regarded as the greatest ever Briton, if you believe the surveys. Also, a surprisingly large number seem to regard Putin as an ideological successor of Stalin.

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  72. @iffen
    Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that’s problematic

    Since we will be a minority, we will get all the attendant minority rights, status and privileges, right?

    You wish.

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  73. Randal says:
    @helena
    It's a bit late now but there was a time when Alt-Right could have made a bigger noise about being specifically an intellectual, discussion movement, because when I first came across the term that's how it seemed to me to be. After a lot of searching around, this site is the only one that I read and it only uses the word Controversial in its 'branding'.

    The biggest strength of this site, imo, apart from light censorship (which is very rare nowadays), is that it does publish quite a wide variety of opinions and writers, and pretty much lives up to its billing as publishing the opinions that are not generally published in the mainstream.

    there was a time when Alt-Right could have made a bigger noise about being specifically an intellectual, discussion movement

    I don’t think the Alt-Right could ever have exercised any discipline over the direction it went because it was never any kind of cohesive organisation – just a self-descriptive term for some of those who were outside the pale of “respectable” right-wing opinion which was taken up by others in the same position.

    Personally, I have preferred to self-identify as dissident right, precisely because it has not been as defined in people’s minds as the term “alt-right” has.

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    Like this?

    Dissident Right is of the Alternative Right vanguard, a new (but quickly growing) vein of the Intellectual Right. The Alternative Right is not your grandmother’s Conservatism; the priorities of those on the emergent AltRight differ significantly from Conservative doctrine, and at times, the positions held by those on the AltRight do not resemble traditional Conservatism at all. This is exacerbated by the fact that the AltRight is such a new movement, we are within the “Reactionary” phase of the movement and still working towards becoming something that isn’t defined purely by what we are against.
    We here at Dissident Right, alongside the larger “Alternative Right”, reject the Old Right’s position within the Liberal Order as a mere retardant to the Progressive Left. We fundamentally reject Liberalism, Egalitarianism, and Universalism outright. We prefer to view the world as the world is, not how we may wish it to be. Nature and its evolutionary processes does not create all things equal, and we recognize this, accept it, and embrace it. Differences between people manifest individually and within groups and sub-groups, and to deny that a natural hierarchy amongst people exists is to intentionally blind oneself.
    , @helena
    "Personally, I have preferred to self-identify as dissident right, precisely because it has not been as defined in people’s minds as the term “alt-right” has."

    The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally. Far from seeking obtuseness or obscurity, those who disagree with the left must follow the left's lead in creating catchy labels. And whenever the left successfully tags a label with racism, new labels should emerge to replace the tarnished ones.
  74. The issues that the Alt Right has been raising awareness about aren’t going to magically disappear because the Alt Right had been kicked off the internet. The persecution of White Males will continue with even greater vigor. This will have a radicalizing effect on millions of White Males across the US. As Paul Kersey is found of saying:They want us dead.

    Things will happen that will push the US into a state of chaos and into a state of very high national stress. This will cause the Alt Right normimg of millions of White Males across the US. Just watch what happens when Universities and Colleges open for classes in a few weeks. They are going after White Males on all University and College Campuses. The ANTIFAS and the Democratic Party will keep the Alt Right alive by giving the Alt Right free publicity every day.

    Trump is under extreme pressure. I don’t see how he will last 4 years as POTUS. This will have a major radicalizing effect on millions of White Males across the US. Trump will bomb Iran..or POTUS Pence will.

    Appeasement is a death sentence….

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Use the Constitution against de-platforming. Constitution says NO DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RACE, COLOR, OR CREED. CREED means conviction, ideology, religion, or belief. We are being denied service based on Creed.

    Suppose a platform says it finds Islam to be evil and bans Muslims.
    Suppose a platform says it finds Zionism to be evil and bans pro-Israeli views.

    That would be considered Illegal. Well, white identity is a CREED. It is a ethno-consciousness. And whites are being attacked on the basis of creed.

    During the Cold War, Jews and Libs said McCarthyism was 'evil' because it pressured Hollywood and other institutions/industries to fire, blacklist, or destroy communists. According to Libs and Jews, communists had the right to work because Constitution protects the right of creed.

    If Google is going to ban us due to 'supremacism', then we need to march on Google to pressure it ban all pro-Zionist sites and blogs and videos since they call for oppression and apartheid against Palestinians.

    We should also demand that Google and Paypal deny any organization associated with AIPAC since it's a supremacist organization that forces all politicians to support Zionist war and imperialism over Palestinians.

    Jews control the digital platforms, and we have to make them scared. Use the Nakba card.

  75. 5371 says:

    Cars are not going to get automated, and the failure of Google Glass is something that should be learned from.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    All the steps we read about that are mesnt to be stages leaading to the fully driverless car are less than revolutionary. To be able to call up a car for your 45-75 minute commute to work, however, which could chsnge urban and suburban living greatly, might be achievable if you could give driverless vehicles the right, on multilane highways, to travel sedately in the bus lane with no overtaking or risky manoeuvres. Even if it only delivered its passenger (s) to an underground/metro station 5 minutes from the office destination it could be transformative.
  76. @Chuck
    "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws."

    - Thou Who Shall Not Be Noticed

    Fake quote as usually attributed. Forget it. Let’s hear your thinking.

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  77. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @War for Blair Mountain
    The issues that the Alt Right has been raising awareness about aren't going to magically disappear because the Alt Right had been kicked off the internet. The persecution of White Males will continue with even greater vigor. This will have a radicalizing effect on millions of White Males across the US. As Paul Kersey is found of saying:They want us dead.


    Things will happen that will push the US into a state of chaos and into a state of very high national stress. This will cause the Alt Right normimg of millions of White Males across the US. Just watch what happens when Universities and Colleges open for classes in a few weeks. They are going after White Males on all University and College Campuses. The ANTIFAS and the Democratic Party will keep the Alt Right alive by giving the Alt Right free publicity every day.


    Trump is under extreme pressure. I don't see how he will last 4 years as POTUS. This will have a major radicalizing effect on millions of White Males across the US. Trump will bomb Iran..or POTUS Pence will.


    Appeasement is a death sentence....

    Use the Constitution against de-platforming. Constitution says NO DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RACE, COLOR, OR CREED. CREED means conviction, ideology, religion, or belief. We are being denied service based on Creed.

    Suppose a platform says it finds Islam to be evil and bans Muslims.
    Suppose a platform says it finds Zionism to be evil and bans pro-Israeli views.

    That would be considered Illegal. Well, white identity is a CREED. It is a ethno-consciousness. And whites are being attacked on the basis of creed.

    During the Cold War, Jews and Libs said McCarthyism was ‘evil’ because it pressured Hollywood and other institutions/industries to fire, blacklist, or destroy communists. According to Libs and Jews, communists had the right to work because Constitution protects the right of creed.

    If Google is going to ban us due to ‘supremacism’, then we need to march on Google to pressure it ban all pro-Zionist sites and blogs and videos since they call for oppression and apartheid against Palestinians.

    We should also demand that Google and Paypal deny any organization associated with AIPAC since it’s a supremacist organization that forces all politicians to support Zionist war and imperialism over Palestinians.

    Jews control the digital platforms, and we have to make them scared. Use the Nakba card.

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Sergei Brin supported the Neo-Nazi Coup in the Ukraine...as do all the Antifas...


    Hilary Clinton. created Al QUEDA and ISIS..this makes Hillary Clinton a TRAITOR!!!
  78. @5371
    Cars are not going to get automated, and the failure of Google Glass is something that should be learned from.

    All the steps we read about that are mesnt to be stages leaading to the fully driverless car are less than revolutionary. To be able to call up a car for your 45-75 minute commute to work, however, which could chsnge urban and suburban living greatly, might be achievable if you could give driverless vehicles the right, on multilane highways, to travel sedately in the bus lane with no overtaking or risky manoeuvres. Even if it only delivered its passenger (s) to an underground/metro station 5 minutes from the office destination it could be transformative.

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    OT, but: Driverless car problems haven't even begun yet.

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/self-driving/the-big-problem-with-selfdriving-cars-is-people

    Plus, you won't be able to escape an irate mob coming at you if you leave it to the car to do so.

    Wait until you invest....
  79. @German_reader
    Maybe, we can only hope that the EU comes crashing down before they force Eastern Europe to travel down the same road. Would be good if the next economic downturn comes sooner rather than later, this could lead to the collapse of Germany and end the flow of Germany money and the attendant blackmailing power. If things get interesting, maybe even some parts of Germany could still be salvaged.

    Germany is in excellent economic shape.

    The Western economies that are in short term trouble: Canada, Australia, France, Sweden and Norway. Canada should go in the next 2 years and that will likely kick off the rest.

    We have to hope that terrorism and financial crisis in France, Sweden and Norway are enough to bring down the EU. Germany itself is a rock, the war can only be won on the periphery.

    The US will be facing it’s next economic crisis in around 2024 and it will be much worse than the 2008 crisis. I am reasonably optimistic that that will begin the process of the breakup of the US and the consequent end of the Globalist system.

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    Germany is in excellent economic shape.
     
    Won't last forever, and Merkel and her demented government have taken on so many financial obligations (Euro guarantees, "refugees", and the general level of debt isn't really reduced either - all of this enabled by the very low interest rates and by Germany's absurdly high tax levels) things will get harsh when the current situation ends.
  80. Donald Trump threw the Alt Right under the bus when he didn’t start the process of indicting the SATANIC Psychopath Hillary Clinton for Treason after the inauguration.

    The events in Charlottesville have the Clinton Racket fingerprints all over it….and the creature behind the Clinton Racket is John Podesta a creature who collects pedophile art work…and who is a dead ringer along with his brother for the police drawing of the two perps who raped and murdered a 7 year old English Girl in Portugal…The PODESTA brothers were both in Portugal at the time that this little girls disappeared. If I were Richard Spencer….I would start linking Terry McAuliffe to John PODESTA through the Clintons…Spencer needs to go on the attack…link McAuliffe to the pedophile John Podesta…

    By not going after Hillary Clinton right after the inaguration, Donald Trump may find himself in jail…that’s what you get for throwing the Alt Right under the bus.

    In addition to linking Terry McAuliffe to the pedophile John Podesta…Richard Spencer must start talking about the neonazi Coup in the Ukraine and linking this with Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton.

    I’d rather see this instead of ethereal ruminations about a White Ethnostate…I want to bring back the Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion….Richard Spencer is no less no more racist than Field Medalist Terrence Tao who uses his math blog to agitate for Native Born White American racial dispossession across the US….

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  81. MEME WARFARE:

    Terry McAuliffe

    John Podesta

    BEST OF FRIENDS!!!

    Satanic Pedophile Art Work

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  82. @Anon
    Use the Constitution against de-platforming. Constitution says NO DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RACE, COLOR, OR CREED. CREED means conviction, ideology, religion, or belief. We are being denied service based on Creed.

    Suppose a platform says it finds Islam to be evil and bans Muslims.
    Suppose a platform says it finds Zionism to be evil and bans pro-Israeli views.

    That would be considered Illegal. Well, white identity is a CREED. It is a ethno-consciousness. And whites are being attacked on the basis of creed.

    During the Cold War, Jews and Libs said McCarthyism was 'evil' because it pressured Hollywood and other institutions/industries to fire, blacklist, or destroy communists. According to Libs and Jews, communists had the right to work because Constitution protects the right of creed.

    If Google is going to ban us due to 'supremacism', then we need to march on Google to pressure it ban all pro-Zionist sites and blogs and videos since they call for oppression and apartheid against Palestinians.

    We should also demand that Google and Paypal deny any organization associated with AIPAC since it's a supremacist organization that forces all politicians to support Zionist war and imperialism over Palestinians.

    Jews control the digital platforms, and we have to make them scared. Use the Nakba card.

    Sergei Brin supported the Neo-Nazi Coup in the Ukraine…as do all the Antifas…

    Hilary Clinton. created Al QUEDA and ISIS..this makes Hillary Clinton a TRAITOR!!!

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  83. Why does Terry McAuliffe hang out with the pedophiles Bill and Hillary Clinton who were frequent visitors to Jeffrey Epstiens Pedophile Rape Island?

    Use this meme…link Terry McAuiliffe to pedophilia..

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  84. @Greasy William
    Germany is in excellent economic shape.

    The Western economies that are in short term trouble: Canada, Australia, France, Sweden and Norway. Canada should go in the next 2 years and that will likely kick off the rest.

    We have to hope that terrorism and financial crisis in France, Sweden and Norway are enough to bring down the EU. Germany itself is a rock, the war can only be won on the periphery.

    The US will be facing it's next economic crisis in around 2024 and it will be much worse than the 2008 crisis. I am reasonably optimistic that that will begin the process of the breakup of the US and the consequent end of the Globalist system.

    Germany is in excellent economic shape.

    Won’t last forever, and Merkel and her demented government have taken on so many financial obligations (Euro guarantees, “refugees”, and the general level of debt isn’t really reduced either – all of this enabled by the very low interest rates and by Germany’s absurdly high tax levels) things will get harsh when the current situation ends.

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  85. @Chuck
    "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws."

    - Thou Who Shall Not Be Noticed

    “Give me control of a nation’s money supply, and I care not who makes its laws.”

    - Thou Who Shall Not Be Noticed

    I bet it won’t take long for the usual gasbags to miss the point of that verity by claiming the quote is fake.

    On another note, from the article…:

    The CEO of Gab.ai, Andrew Torba, has been blacklisted from the Silicon Valley social scene…There are powerful material and reputational incentives for such people to get back in line.

    Back in the ’20s Upton Sinclair described the concept and how it works in his, The Brass Check, The Goslings, and The Goosestep.

    More recently, Allison Wier gives her short but very well written account of one of her brushes with censorship and propaganda.

    As a result [of de facto censorship], Americans are largely left in the dark about the current reality and past history of the tiny, rich nation that receives more of our tax money than any other country on earth, currently at least $8 million per day, and that is at the center of profoundly important issues concerning both the region and our own nation.

    Israel and its partisans are working to make sure it stays that way. If Steinberg, Alfi, Leavenworth, the Bee, and McClatchy continue their current pattern, it doesn’t look like this is going to change anytime soon – unless enough people start to demand better.

    - Alison Weir, Denying Nazi-Zionist Collusion

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/03/04/denying-nazi-zionist-collusion/

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    • Replies: @Greasy William

    More recently, Allison Wier gives her short but very well written account of one of her brushes with censorship and propaganda.
     
    Paleocons and Leftists continue to use the "if the Tsar only knew" line about Israel and the Palestinians.

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don't care. There is no "Zionist" control of the media in Japan, China, India and Russia and the people in those countries don't care either. Even in Hungary, Greece and Latin America where people really hate Jews and love the Palestinians, polls show that the people there want to stay neutral in the conflict.

    It isn't our fault you can't make your fellow goyim care about the Palestinians. Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.
  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I find it ironic that you are complaining about free speech, yet you are probably the only writer here at Unz that censors comments and bans commentors.

    What a load of hypocritical, selfriteous, crap this article is.

    Yes, I got censored and banned from your column for talking about Jewish issues. So I guess you and FB a prove of free speech so long as the speech is respectable and free of hate.

    Doubt this comet gets through.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Tu quoque fallacy; courtesy of Randal.

    Doubt this comet gets through.

    I refute it thus.

    In any case, comets are hard for anyone to handle.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    Because no one likes a one-note poster.
  87. helena says:
    @Priss Factor
    I hear they will try to impeach Trump.

    This is a golden opportunity. The Impeachment Circus will give many sides a great opportunity to offer their versions of story and history. It can serve as platform for so many counter-narratives.

    well I hope they don’t blow it. every time I hear cons trying to talk to libs, they let the libs take them off on tangents (strawmen, spurious correlations etc.) and into elephant traps – racist!!!

    the only way forward is to mirror everything libs say. it’s the only way to avoid the elephant trap of relativism, leading to accusations of racism.

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  88. iffen says:
    @Anonymous
    I find it ironic that you are complaining about free speech, yet you are probably the only writer here at Unz that censors comments and bans commentors.

    What a load of hypocritical, selfriteous, crap this article is.

    Yes, I got censored and banned from your column for talking about Jewish issues. So I guess you and FB a prove of free speech so long as the speech is respectable and free of hate.

    Doubt this comet gets through.

    Tu quoque fallacy; courtesy of Randal.

    Doubt this comet gets through.

    I refute it thus.

    In any case, comets are hard for anyone to handle.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Ahhh. Grammer Nazi got me. Sorry but I was typing that on my phone and I think if you have a high enough iq you can figure it out.
  89. @Yevardian
    I was promised Deus Ex and I got this?

    we are going to get it, the current shit show is just part of the process. it is much easier to control when the population have no voice.

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  90. helena says:
    @Randal
    The biggest strength of this site, imo, apart from light censorship (which is very rare nowadays), is that it does publish quite a wide variety of opinions and writers, and pretty much lives up to its billing as publishing the opinions that are not generally published in the mainstream.


    there was a time when Alt-Right could have made a bigger noise about being specifically an intellectual, discussion movement
     
    I don't think the Alt-Right could ever have exercised any discipline over the direction it went because it was never any kind of cohesive organisation - just a self-descriptive term for some of those who were outside the pale of "respectable" right-wing opinion which was taken up by others in the same position.

    Personally, I have preferred to self-identify as dissident right, precisely because it has not been as defined in people's minds as the term "alt-right" has.

    Like this?

    Dissident Right is of the Alternative Right vanguard, a new (but quickly growing) vein of the Intellectual Right. The Alternative Right is not your grandmother’s Conservatism; the priorities of those on the emergent AltRight differ significantly from Conservative doctrine, and at times, the positions held by those on the AltRight do not resemble traditional Conservatism at all. This is exacerbated by the fact that the AltRight is such a new movement, we are within the “Reactionary” phase of the movement and still working towards becoming something that isn’t defined purely by what we are against.
    We here at Dissident Right, alongside the larger “Alternative Right”, reject the Old Right’s position within the Liberal Order as a mere retardant to the Progressive Left. We fundamentally reject Liberalism, Egalitarianism, and Universalism outright. We prefer to view the world as the world is, not how we may wish it to be. Nature and its evolutionary processes does not create all things equal, and we recognize this, accept it, and embrace it. Differences between people manifest individually and within groups and sub-groups, and to deny that a natural hierarchy amongst people exists is to intentionally blind oneself.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    accept it, and embrace it.

    What's the point in claiming to be human, then?
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    I wish the Alt Right would not get into abstract metaphysical debates. The Alt Right should embolden the gut level RACIAL TRIBALISM in The Historic Native Born White American Majority Class....This must be Richard Spencer's target audience...


    Just what exactly are Native Born White Americans willing to give up for being a racial minority in post-white toilet "America"...This is all that Richard Spencer has to say in public...Speak directly to our people....And this is Terry McAuliffe's worst nightmare...


    Advocate Native Born White Americans having large families again...watch the Antifa shriek..their genocidal intent fully exposed in public...Much more effective way to wage battle against the Antifa..............then hitting them with a barrage of psychometric studies...


    Provoke the Antifa into staying "More White Babies...Racism!!!
  91. iffen says:
    @helena
    Like this?

    Dissident Right is of the Alternative Right vanguard, a new (but quickly growing) vein of the Intellectual Right. The Alternative Right is not your grandmother’s Conservatism; the priorities of those on the emergent AltRight differ significantly from Conservative doctrine, and at times, the positions held by those on the AltRight do not resemble traditional Conservatism at all. This is exacerbated by the fact that the AltRight is such a new movement, we are within the “Reactionary” phase of the movement and still working towards becoming something that isn’t defined purely by what we are against.
    We here at Dissident Right, alongside the larger “Alternative Right”, reject the Old Right’s position within the Liberal Order as a mere retardant to the Progressive Left. We fundamentally reject Liberalism, Egalitarianism, and Universalism outright. We prefer to view the world as the world is, not how we may wish it to be. Nature and its evolutionary processes does not create all things equal, and we recognize this, accept it, and embrace it. Differences between people manifest individually and within groups and sub-groups, and to deny that a natural hierarchy amongst people exists is to intentionally blind oneself.

    accept it, and embrace it.

    What’s the point in claiming to be human, then?

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    • Replies: @helena
    you should take a course in how to select relevant quotes.

    I never said i'm dr, that's from their website.

    but i'll bite coz you know I love it.

    surely the word embrace implies not, 'cuddle' but, 'taking on the challenge'?

    sorry about lack of caps, just eating a bag of hoops. what time are you? i'm 14.26, just back from work.
  92. helena says:
    @Randal
    The biggest strength of this site, imo, apart from light censorship (which is very rare nowadays), is that it does publish quite a wide variety of opinions and writers, and pretty much lives up to its billing as publishing the opinions that are not generally published in the mainstream.


    there was a time when Alt-Right could have made a bigger noise about being specifically an intellectual, discussion movement
     
    I don't think the Alt-Right could ever have exercised any discipline over the direction it went because it was never any kind of cohesive organisation - just a self-descriptive term for some of those who were outside the pale of "respectable" right-wing opinion which was taken up by others in the same position.

    Personally, I have preferred to self-identify as dissident right, precisely because it has not been as defined in people's minds as the term "alt-right" has.

    “Personally, I have preferred to self-identify as dissident right, precisely because it has not been as defined in people’s minds as the term “alt-right” has.”

    The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally. Far from seeking obtuseness or obscurity, those who disagree with the left must follow the left’s lead in creating catchy labels. And whenever the left successfully tags a label with racism, new labels should emerge to replace the tarnished ones.

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    • Replies: @Randal

    Like this?

    Dissident Right is of the Alternative Right vanguard
     
    No, no capitals.

    As with alt right, anyone can call himself dissident right.

    The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally. Far from seeking obtuseness or obscurity, those who disagree with the left must follow the left’s lead in creating catchy labels. And whenever the left successfully tags a label with racism, new labels should emerge to replace the tarnished ones.
     
    The problem with that is that all you do is confirm the taboo and waste all your time picking your words ever more carefully to avoid crossing the bounds of the moving definition of what is verboten and then apologising when you get caught out or even just accused, and dissociating yourself from former allies who are accused or who cross the bounds of the permitted.

    In the end, the taboo has to be defied, discredited and broken and doubtless will be. That's how the taboos and blasphemy laws protecting Christianity were defied and ultimately broken in post-Enlightenment Europe.

    Of course, a lot of people suffered along the way, and I'm not saying it was necessarily a good thing, all things considered. But it did happen.
  93. The only thing shocking in all this is that anyone ever thought it was going to be otherwise, that no one learned from history, that anyone still thought their society would be eternal. Having taken refuge in idealistic platitudes, one is unable to cope with the insistence of reality.

    Almost a century of watching the ground shrink beneath our feet, and every step of the way, white idealists consoled themselves with wishful mantras about a cosmic pendulum swinging back in our favor, enough people “waking up” to start a revolution, or men with guns behind every blade of grass revolting against federal tyranny. Something, someone, would stop all of this and save us. It has to.

    After all — climate change, environmental degradation, and overpopulation were “leftist lies”; and white people were just being misled by Jews, they aren’t really willing their own end. They would wake up eventually.

    None of it happened. None of it will, and it never could have. Because history isn’t a wish-fulfillment fantasy, but a merciless march toward whatever conditions favor at a given time, et vae victis. The paradigm shift is complete.

    There was never going to be a right-wing “march through the institutions”, as if one-hundred years of history were some kind of non-contingent seesaw of ideological factions, independent of the overarching technological tendencies that produced both. The institutions, it turns out, are marching on us. “It’s so Orwellian!” And? does pointing this out make a difference? do you suppose Orwell thought this was avoidable?

    Now the internet safe-space is being pruned of its unlovelier fruits and everyone is shrieking. Why? Because we lost the “culture war” decades ago, and the internet was all we ever had: a virtual therapy session anytime one wished to offset the everyday terror of multicultopia. Everyone is terrified of losing their online hamster cage.

    The error isn’t with “the left”, who are not a political group but the majority itself, the error is with the right for ever having thought “the Constitution” would protect us from Michels’ iron law of oligarchy or from the pitfalls of prosperity and complexity, which have always destroyed civilizations, all the moreso ours for having been the most prosperous and complex so suddenly.

    Quit the crying about internet censorship. It doesn’t matter. There’s no new information to be had about any of it. Or did you want to see manic drivel about Jews, race statistics, and how very wonderful northern Europeans are forever?

    The Charlottesville rally served a very great unintended purpose, as Anti-Dem notes but fails to follow to its conclusion: it has galvanized all of the “anti-white” forces in America and across the world. Everyone is now agreed that nationalism of any kind must be ruthlessly opposed and crushed. Not that nationalism2.0 ever had a chance to begin with; the complexity of modern life simply allowed people to opt for the illusion. Now they’re going to take even that from you.

    I said this was necessary a decade ago. Here it is. Now what? was it always just about your favorite websites? how do you really live under tyranny? what is the art of being ruled, as Wyndham Lewis put it? Let each answer for himself.

    “The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally.”

    Keep telling yourself that. The years won’t pile on, if they haven’t already, as you continue to anesthetize yourself with comforting dogma. History and the whole arc of civilization will obviously do a volte-face for those who chatter.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    The Dude: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

    How about a Diocletian interlude, aren't we entitled to one of those?

    , @Talha
    Solid comment - dark, but a good reality check.

    Peace.
    , @jacques sheete

    The institutions, it turns out, are marching on us.
     
    Which is exactly why they evolved, being the parasites that they are, yet many of the self appointed brightest amongst us, (left, right and whatever), fantasize otherwise and lend unquestioning support to the worst of them.
    , @peterAUS
    Clap....clap......clap.....

    Still, not so sure about

    The paradigm shift is complete.
     
    You know, you really could have a look at how the peoples under Communism were doing before all that fell apart.
    Maybe even learn something practical.

    Just a thought.
  94. Dr. X says:
    @Felix Keverich
    It is quite remarkable, the extent to which contemporary Russian mindset is still being influenced by antiquated Soviet propaganda. BTW it's "anti-fascist complex", the word "Nazi" never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon for some reason.

    It is quite remarkable, the extent to which contemporary Russian mindset is still being influenced by antiquated Soviet propaganda. BTW it’s “anti-fascist complex”, the word “Nazi” never entered the Soviet propaganda lexicon for some reason.

    Well, several reasons for this. “Nazi” isn’t really a word, it’s slang for “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei,” or “National Socialist German Workers’ Party.”

    They never referred to themselves as “Nazis,” always as “National Socialists” — as opposed to International Socialists, who we know as “communists.” Both sides claimed to be “socialists” and “workers’ parties.”

    The difference was that the National Socialists were willing to allow private enterprise as long as it was subordinate to the state-controlled corporatist economic system. Communists insisted on a state monopoly of the ownership of all industry.

    In addition, you must remember that the “Nazis” were not the only ones who invaded the USSR in 1941; Hungarian, Romanian and Italian anti-Soviet “fascist” armies participated in Barbarossa as Hitler’s allies.

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  95. helena says:
    @iffen
    accept it, and embrace it.

    What's the point in claiming to be human, then?

    you should take a course in how to select relevant quotes.

    I never said i’m dr, that’s from their website.

    but i’ll bite coz you know I love it.

    surely the word embrace implies not, ‘cuddle’ but, ‘taking on the challenge’?

    sorry about lack of caps, just eating a bag of hoops. what time are you? i’m 14.26, just back from work.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    you should take a course in how to select relevant quotes.

    It is dangerous being descriptive when most take your comments as normative. Trust me, I know whereof I speak.

    What’s the point in being human if you don’t rage against the dying light or tilt at a windmill every once in a while.

    Morning person at 8:00 AM slurping caffeine.

  96. @helena
    Like this?

    Dissident Right is of the Alternative Right vanguard, a new (but quickly growing) vein of the Intellectual Right. The Alternative Right is not your grandmother’s Conservatism; the priorities of those on the emergent AltRight differ significantly from Conservative doctrine, and at times, the positions held by those on the AltRight do not resemble traditional Conservatism at all. This is exacerbated by the fact that the AltRight is such a new movement, we are within the “Reactionary” phase of the movement and still working towards becoming something that isn’t defined purely by what we are against.
    We here at Dissident Right, alongside the larger “Alternative Right”, reject the Old Right’s position within the Liberal Order as a mere retardant to the Progressive Left. We fundamentally reject Liberalism, Egalitarianism, and Universalism outright. We prefer to view the world as the world is, not how we may wish it to be. Nature and its evolutionary processes does not create all things equal, and we recognize this, accept it, and embrace it. Differences between people manifest individually and within groups and sub-groups, and to deny that a natural hierarchy amongst people exists is to intentionally blind oneself.

    I wish the Alt Right would not get into abstract metaphysical debates. The Alt Right should embolden the gut level RACIAL TRIBALISM in The Historic Native Born White American Majority Class….This must be Richard Spencer’s target audience…

    Just what exactly are Native Born White Americans willing to give up for being a racial minority in post-white toilet “America”…This is all that Richard Spencer has to say in public…Speak directly to our people….And this is Terry McAuliffe’s worst nightmare…

    Advocate Native Born White Americans having large families again…watch the Antifa shriek..their genocidal intent fully exposed in public…Much more effective way to wage battle against the Antifa…………..then hitting them with a barrage of psychometric studies…

    Provoke the Antifa into staying “More White Babies…Racism!!!

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    • Replies: @helena
    What's the Historic for?
    Native includes anyone born before now.
    Any phrase that contains Native and American will be understood to mean Indian. It's psychology. Politics is psychology. Hence the need to embrace nature.




    Totally agree about the babies. Darn, if I could have my time again!
  97. great article, but you still failed to sufficiently ‘follow the money”:

    the corporate pogrom of white dissidents is driven by CEO greed….CEOs run these corporations…as long as the economy avoids another recession these CEOs will continue to make millions…they use their power to stifle white dissident politics because white dissident politics threatens to put the economy into another recession…the CEOs prop up the ponzi economy by increasing consumer demand…the economy is largely based on consumer demand…the CEOs increase consumer demand via immigration…..white dissident politics threatens to slow down immigration …hence the pogroms

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  98. iffen says:
    @helena
    you should take a course in how to select relevant quotes.

    I never said i'm dr, that's from their website.

    but i'll bite coz you know I love it.

    surely the word embrace implies not, 'cuddle' but, 'taking on the challenge'?

    sorry about lack of caps, just eating a bag of hoops. what time are you? i'm 14.26, just back from work.

    you should take a course in how to select relevant quotes.

    It is dangerous being descriptive when most take your comments as normative. Trust me, I know whereof I speak.

    What’s the point in being human if you don’t rage against the dying light or tilt at a windmill every once in a while.

    Morning person at 8:00 AM slurping caffeine.

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  99. Joe Hide says:

    Anatoly,
    You well described the problems arising against free speech, or perhaps for most of us, we should term it, “Freedom to discuss differing points of view non-violently.”
    Next you gave possible remedies.
    Many authors just give complaints with examples.
    Please continue this “problem description / possible solutions” in future articles.
    Good article!

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  100. helena says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    I wish the Alt Right would not get into abstract metaphysical debates. The Alt Right should embolden the gut level RACIAL TRIBALISM in The Historic Native Born White American Majority Class....This must be Richard Spencer's target audience...


    Just what exactly are Native Born White Americans willing to give up for being a racial minority in post-white toilet "America"...This is all that Richard Spencer has to say in public...Speak directly to our people....And this is Terry McAuliffe's worst nightmare...


    Advocate Native Born White Americans having large families again...watch the Antifa shriek..their genocidal intent fully exposed in public...Much more effective way to wage battle against the Antifa..............then hitting them with a barrage of psychometric studies...


    Provoke the Antifa into staying "More White Babies...Racism!!!

    What’s the Historic for?
    Native includes anyone born before now.
    Any phrase that contains Native and American will be understood to mean Indian. It’s psychology. Politics is psychology. Hence the need to embrace nature.

    Totally agree about the babies. Darn, if I could have my time again!

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  101. @jacques sheete

    “Give me control of a nation’s money supply, and I care not who makes its laws.”

    - Thou Who Shall Not Be Noticed
     

    I bet it won't take long for the usual gasbags to miss the point of that verity by claiming the quote is fake.

    On another note, from the article...:


    The CEO of Gab.ai, Andrew Torba, has been blacklisted from the Silicon Valley social scene...There are powerful material and reputational incentives for such people to get back in line.
     
    Back in the '20s Upton Sinclair described the concept and how it works in his, The Brass Check, The Goslings, and The Goosestep.

    More recently, Allison Wier gives her short but very well written account of one of her brushes with censorship and propaganda.


    As a result [of de facto censorship], Americans are largely left in the dark about the current reality and past history of the tiny, rich nation that receives more of our tax money than any other country on earth, currently at least $8 million per day, and that is at the center of profoundly important issues concerning both the region and our own nation.

    Israel and its partisans are working to make sure it stays that way. If Steinberg, Alfi, Leavenworth, the Bee, and McClatchy continue their current pattern, it doesn’t look like this is going to change anytime soon – unless enough people start to demand better.

    - Alison Weir, Denying Nazi-Zionist Collusion
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/03/04/denying-nazi-zionist-collusion/
     

    More recently, Allison Wier gives her short but very well written account of one of her brushes with censorship and propaganda.

    Paleocons and Leftists continue to use the “if the Tsar only knew” line about Israel and the Palestinians.

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don’t care. There is no “Zionist” control of the media in Japan, China, India and Russia and the people in those countries don’t care either. Even in Hungary, Greece and Latin America where people really hate Jews and love the Palestinians, polls show that the people there want to stay neutral in the conflict.

    It isn’t our fault you can’t make your fellow goyim care about the Palestinians. Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    It isn’t our fault you can’t make your fellow goyim care about the Palestinians. Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.
     
    You missed the point completely.

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don’t care.
     
    That's not my point at all, but I call BS on your claim, and see 'Merkins as ignorant as they are stupid, especially the college schooled ones. Can you back your claim in any sensible manner?

    Anyway, we're all Palestinians now, whether people see it or not, and whether or not I'm inept at helping them to see it.

    Furthermore, no one here is interested in your personal attacks, so try to help keep UR classy and pipe down a bit, OK?

    , @Talha
    Hey Greasy,

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don’t care.
     
    Probably true.
    "In the paper today tales of war and of waste
    But you turn right over to the T.V. page
    Hey now, hey now..."

    Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.
     
    This is a good point. I personally expect zero support from non-Muslims over this matter (especially the same nations that basically set up the situation) - I'm really pissed off at the Muslim leaders that haven't taken any concrete steps to resolve the issues. In due time though...

    Peace.
    , @Rifleman

    Germany itself is a rock, the war can only be won on the periphery.
     
    For now. But you people are nearly sterile. When the current generation or two are as dead as Helmut Kohl who is going to take over?

    The US will be facing it’s next economic crisis in around 2024 and it will be much worse than the 2008 crisis. I am reasonably optimistic that that will begin the process of the breakup of the US
     
    Yeah, you and bin Laden.

    The US wont "breakup". That makes not sense. Our states are just legal districts with some demographic differences. They aren't nation states like the ones stitched together to form the Soviet Union or even the EU.
  102. iffen says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    The only thing shocking in all this is that anyone ever thought it was going to be otherwise, that no one learned from history, that anyone still thought their society would be eternal. Having taken refuge in idealistic platitudes, one is unable to cope with the insistence of reality.

    Almost a century of watching the ground shrink beneath our feet, and every step of the way, white idealists consoled themselves with wishful mantras about a cosmic pendulum swinging back in our favor, enough people "waking up" to start a revolution, or men with guns behind every blade of grass revolting against federal tyranny. Something, someone, would stop all of this and save us. It has to.

    After all -- climate change, environmental degradation, and overpopulation were "leftist lies"; and white people were just being misled by Jews, they aren't really willing their own end. They would wake up eventually.

    None of it happened. None of it will, and it never could have. Because history isn't a wish-fulfillment fantasy, but a merciless march toward whatever conditions favor at a given time, et vae victis. The paradigm shift is complete.

    There was never going to be a right-wing "march through the institutions", as if one-hundred years of history were some kind of non-contingent seesaw of ideological factions, independent of the overarching technological tendencies that produced both. The institutions, it turns out, are marching on us. "It's so Orwellian!" And? does pointing this out make a difference? do you suppose Orwell thought this was avoidable?

    Now the internet safe-space is being pruned of its unlovelier fruits and everyone is shrieking. Why? Because we lost the "culture war" decades ago, and the internet was all we ever had: a virtual therapy session anytime one wished to offset the everyday terror of multicultopia. Everyone is terrified of losing their online hamster cage.

    The error isn't with "the left", who are not a political group but the majority itself, the error is with the right for ever having thought "the Constitution" would protect us from Michels' iron law of oligarchy or from the pitfalls of prosperity and complexity, which have always destroyed civilizations, all the moreso ours for having been the most prosperous and complex so suddenly.

    Quit the crying about internet censorship. It doesn't matter. There's no new information to be had about any of it. Or did you want to see manic drivel about Jews, race statistics, and how very wonderful northern Europeans are forever?

    The Charlottesville rally served a very great unintended purpose, as Anti-Dem notes but fails to follow to its conclusion: it has galvanized all of the "anti-white" forces in America and across the world. Everyone is now agreed that nationalism of any kind must be ruthlessly opposed and crushed. Not that nationalism2.0 ever had a chance to begin with; the complexity of modern life simply allowed people to opt for the illusion. Now they're going to take even that from you.

    I said this was necessary a decade ago. Here it is. Now what? was it always just about your favorite websites? how do you really live under tyranny? what is the art of being ruled, as Wyndham Lewis put it? Let each answer for himself.

    "The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally."

    Keep telling yourself that. The years won't pile on, if they haven't already, as you continue to anesthetize yourself with comforting dogma. History and the whole arc of civilization will obviously do a volte-face for those who chatter.

    The Dude: Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

    How about a Diocletian interlude, aren’t we entitled to one of those?

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  103. TheOldOne says:

    Scary; all of you know that we are going to need a coup in the US soon, so why not now?

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  104. fnn says:
    @Felix Krull
    United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech.

    Don't make me laugh. Americans get fired for saying 'niggardly' or 'chink in the armor'.

    Constitutionally endowed rights are only as good as the people exercising them. There's a lot more freedom of speech in Denmark than there is in the US.

    If you’re not crude in your language (or question the Holocaust) there’s probably more freedom of speech in Europe than in the US:

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/08/building-the-electronic-ethnostate/#comment-1390693

    Expanding civil rights law to include all political opinions would be the best safeguard, would garner a wide range of support and offers the best chance of success. Here in England, Arthur Redfearn, (sacked by his employer for being an elected local councilor for the British National Party), eventually won his legal case at the highest of courts and now, in theory, no one in the European Union can be sacked from their job or discriminated against for, not only their race, religion, gender and sexual orientation, but also their political opinion.

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    Associated Press•August 18, 2017

    COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Danish prosecutors have charged a 49-year-old imam for making public remarks against homosexuals, whom he compared to pedophiles.

    ... No date for a trial was immediately set.

  105. iffen says:
    @fnn
    If you're not crude in your language (or question the Holocaust) there's probably more freedom of speech in Europe than in the US:
    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/08/building-the-electronic-ethnostate/#comment-1390693

    Expanding civil rights law to include all political opinions would be the best safeguard, would garner a wide range of support and offers the best chance of success. Here in England, Arthur Redfearn, (sacked by his employer for being an elected local councilor for the British National Party), eventually won his legal case at the highest of courts and now, in theory, no one in the European Union can be sacked from their job or discriminated against for, not only their race, religion, gender and sexual orientation, but also their political opinion.
     

    Associated Press•August 18, 2017

    COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Danish prosecutors have charged a 49-year-old imam for making public remarks against homosexuals, whom he compared to pedophiles.

    … No date for a trial was immediately set.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    It's too bad the name Torquemada is no longer in fashion, eh? It's much more palatable being at the receiving end of an inquisition run by someone like that rather than a Malthe or Frederik.

    Peace.
  106. @Anonymous
    I find it ironic that you are complaining about free speech, yet you are probably the only writer here at Unz that censors comments and bans commentors.

    What a load of hypocritical, selfriteous, crap this article is.

    Yes, I got censored and banned from your column for talking about Jewish issues. So I guess you and FB a prove of free speech so long as the speech is respectable and free of hate.

    Doubt this comet gets through.

    Because no one likes a one-note poster.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    I would like for us to have trees in the comment section.

    For example, if you are interested in the JQ thread you could click into that tree, otherwise it just shows up as a JQ tab.
    , @Anonymous
    So easy to dismiss someone when you disagree with them. So hard to stick with principles.

    But look at how many concepts are banned by the main stream media and can be dismissed just as easily. If you talk about blacks or race you are racist and are a one-note poster. Just flush their comment down the toilet since it's not like you are censoring right?

    Maybe if you want to keep talking about how bankers and Wallstreet are robbing America ir that Healthcare is unaffordable you are a onenote poster and you should be banned.

    I definately do not talk about the JQ exclusively. But the point being that it is hysterical to see an entire article talking about censorship and reading Anatoly be so self-riteous only to be exposed as a hypocrit.

    Unz is also a Jew and he never censors comments from people trying to make a point because labeling someone as one-note or obsessed or excessive is a cop out and cowardly.
  107. @Greasy William

    More recently, Allison Wier gives her short but very well written account of one of her brushes with censorship and propaganda.
     
    Paleocons and Leftists continue to use the "if the Tsar only knew" line about Israel and the Palestinians.

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don't care. There is no "Zionist" control of the media in Japan, China, India and Russia and the people in those countries don't care either. Even in Hungary, Greece and Latin America where people really hate Jews and love the Palestinians, polls show that the people there want to stay neutral in the conflict.

    It isn't our fault you can't make your fellow goyim care about the Palestinians. Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.

    It isn’t our fault you can’t make your fellow goyim care about the Palestinians. Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.

    You missed the point completely.

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don’t care.

    That’s not my point at all, but I call BS on your claim, and see ‘Merkins as ignorant as they are stupid, especially the college schooled ones. Can you back your claim in any sensible manner?

    Anyway, we’re all Palestinians now, whether people see it or not, and whether or not I’m inept at helping them to see it.

    Furthermore, no one here is interested in your personal attacks, so try to help keep UR classy and pipe down a bit, OK?

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  108. Talha says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    The only thing shocking in all this is that anyone ever thought it was going to be otherwise, that no one learned from history, that anyone still thought their society would be eternal. Having taken refuge in idealistic platitudes, one is unable to cope with the insistence of reality.

    Almost a century of watching the ground shrink beneath our feet, and every step of the way, white idealists consoled themselves with wishful mantras about a cosmic pendulum swinging back in our favor, enough people "waking up" to start a revolution, or men with guns behind every blade of grass revolting against federal tyranny. Something, someone, would stop all of this and save us. It has to.

    After all -- climate change, environmental degradation, and overpopulation were "leftist lies"; and white people were just being misled by Jews, they aren't really willing their own end. They would wake up eventually.

    None of it happened. None of it will, and it never could have. Because history isn't a wish-fulfillment fantasy, but a merciless march toward whatever conditions favor at a given time, et vae victis. The paradigm shift is complete.

    There was never going to be a right-wing "march through the institutions", as if one-hundred years of history were some kind of non-contingent seesaw of ideological factions, independent of the overarching technological tendencies that produced both. The institutions, it turns out, are marching on us. "It's so Orwellian!" And? does pointing this out make a difference? do you suppose Orwell thought this was avoidable?

    Now the internet safe-space is being pruned of its unlovelier fruits and everyone is shrieking. Why? Because we lost the "culture war" decades ago, and the internet was all we ever had: a virtual therapy session anytime one wished to offset the everyday terror of multicultopia. Everyone is terrified of losing their online hamster cage.

    The error isn't with "the left", who are not a political group but the majority itself, the error is with the right for ever having thought "the Constitution" would protect us from Michels' iron law of oligarchy or from the pitfalls of prosperity and complexity, which have always destroyed civilizations, all the moreso ours for having been the most prosperous and complex so suddenly.

    Quit the crying about internet censorship. It doesn't matter. There's no new information to be had about any of it. Or did you want to see manic drivel about Jews, race statistics, and how very wonderful northern Europeans are forever?

    The Charlottesville rally served a very great unintended purpose, as Anti-Dem notes but fails to follow to its conclusion: it has galvanized all of the "anti-white" forces in America and across the world. Everyone is now agreed that nationalism of any kind must be ruthlessly opposed and crushed. Not that nationalism2.0 ever had a chance to begin with; the complexity of modern life simply allowed people to opt for the illusion. Now they're going to take even that from you.

    I said this was necessary a decade ago. Here it is. Now what? was it always just about your favorite websites? how do you really live under tyranny? what is the art of being ruled, as Wyndham Lewis put it? Let each answer for himself.

    "The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally."

    Keep telling yourself that. The years won't pile on, if they haven't already, as you continue to anesthetize yourself with comforting dogma. History and the whole arc of civilization will obviously do a volte-face for those who chatter.

    Solid comment – dark, but a good reality check.

    Peace.

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  109. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Associated Press•August 18, 2017

    COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Danish prosecutors have charged a 49-year-old imam for making public remarks against homosexuals, whom he compared to pedophiles.

    ... No date for a trial was immediately set.

    It’s too bad the name Torquemada is no longer in fashion, eh? It’s much more palatable being at the receiving end of an inquisition run by someone like that rather than a Malthe or Frederik.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    This could be a step to that poly-legal millet system you like. Just needs mutual blasphemy laws, British India-style, to keep everyone in order, no?

    ( :) , in case that was unclear)
    , @iffen
    Supposedly, inquisitors over the years, extending down to Puritans in NE, suspected (for some reason?) that heretical activity was much more prevalent in nubile ladies than the general population. I wonder if the gender phobic modern inquisitors will reveal any sort of trend?
  110. @Marshall Lentini
    The only thing shocking in all this is that anyone ever thought it was going to be otherwise, that no one learned from history, that anyone still thought their society would be eternal. Having taken refuge in idealistic platitudes, one is unable to cope with the insistence of reality.

    Almost a century of watching the ground shrink beneath our feet, and every step of the way, white idealists consoled themselves with wishful mantras about a cosmic pendulum swinging back in our favor, enough people "waking up" to start a revolution, or men with guns behind every blade of grass revolting against federal tyranny. Something, someone, would stop all of this and save us. It has to.

    After all -- climate change, environmental degradation, and overpopulation were "leftist lies"; and white people were just being misled by Jews, they aren't really willing their own end. They would wake up eventually.

    None of it happened. None of it will, and it never could have. Because history isn't a wish-fulfillment fantasy, but a merciless march toward whatever conditions favor at a given time, et vae victis. The paradigm shift is complete.

    There was never going to be a right-wing "march through the institutions", as if one-hundred years of history were some kind of non-contingent seesaw of ideological factions, independent of the overarching technological tendencies that produced both. The institutions, it turns out, are marching on us. "It's so Orwellian!" And? does pointing this out make a difference? do you suppose Orwell thought this was avoidable?

    Now the internet safe-space is being pruned of its unlovelier fruits and everyone is shrieking. Why? Because we lost the "culture war" decades ago, and the internet was all we ever had: a virtual therapy session anytime one wished to offset the everyday terror of multicultopia. Everyone is terrified of losing their online hamster cage.

    The error isn't with "the left", who are not a political group but the majority itself, the error is with the right for ever having thought "the Constitution" would protect us from Michels' iron law of oligarchy or from the pitfalls of prosperity and complexity, which have always destroyed civilizations, all the moreso ours for having been the most prosperous and complex so suddenly.

    Quit the crying about internet censorship. It doesn't matter. There's no new information to be had about any of it. Or did you want to see manic drivel about Jews, race statistics, and how very wonderful northern Europeans are forever?

    The Charlottesville rally served a very great unintended purpose, as Anti-Dem notes but fails to follow to its conclusion: it has galvanized all of the "anti-white" forces in America and across the world. Everyone is now agreed that nationalism of any kind must be ruthlessly opposed and crushed. Not that nationalism2.0 ever had a chance to begin with; the complexity of modern life simply allowed people to opt for the illusion. Now they're going to take even that from you.

    I said this was necessary a decade ago. Here it is. Now what? was it always just about your favorite websites? how do you really live under tyranny? what is the art of being ruled, as Wyndham Lewis put it? Let each answer for himself.

    "The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally."

    Keep telling yourself that. The years won't pile on, if they haven't already, as you continue to anesthetize yourself with comforting dogma. History and the whole arc of civilization will obviously do a volte-face for those who chatter.

    The institutions, it turns out, are marching on us.

    Which is exactly why they evolved, being the parasites that they are, yet many of the self appointed brightest amongst us, (left, right and whatever), fantasize otherwise and lend unquestioning support to the worst of them.

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    So there was a Laplace demon who planned everything just to discomfit us.

    RIGHT.
  111. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Because no one likes a one-note poster.

    I would like for us to have trees in the comment section.

    For example, if you are interested in the JQ thread you could click into that tree, otherwise it just shows up as a JQ tab.

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  112. Talha says:
    @Greasy William

    More recently, Allison Wier gives her short but very well written account of one of her brushes with censorship and propaganda.
     
    Paleocons and Leftists continue to use the "if the Tsar only knew" line about Israel and the Palestinians.

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don't care. There is no "Zionist" control of the media in Japan, China, India and Russia and the people in those countries don't care either. Even in Hungary, Greece and Latin America where people really hate Jews and love the Palestinians, polls show that the people there want to stay neutral in the conflict.

    It isn't our fault you can't make your fellow goyim care about the Palestinians. Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.

    Hey Greasy,

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don’t care.

    Probably true.
    “In the paper today tales of war and of waste
    But you turn right over to the T.V. page
    Hey now, hey now…”

    Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.

    This is a good point. I personally expect zero support from non-Muslims over this matter (especially the same nations that basically set up the situation) – I’m really pissed off at the Muslim leaders that haven’t taken any concrete steps to resolve the issues. In due time though…

    Peace.

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  113. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    It's too bad the name Torquemada is no longer in fashion, eh? It's much more palatable being at the receiving end of an inquisition run by someone like that rather than a Malthe or Frederik.

    Peace.

    This could be a step to that poly-legal millet system you like. Just needs mutual blasphemy laws, British India-style, to keep everyone in order, no?

    ( :) , in case that was unclear)

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    Oh - yeah - big time millet fan! There could be a protected gay millet where they can have all the parades and public copulation they want. Just pay the jizya and keep it off our streets.

    Peace.
  114. iffen says:
    @Talha
    It's too bad the name Torquemada is no longer in fashion, eh? It's much more palatable being at the receiving end of an inquisition run by someone like that rather than a Malthe or Frederik.

    Peace.

    Supposedly, inquisitors over the years, extending down to Puritans in NE, suspected (for some reason?) that heretical activity was much more prevalent in nubile ladies than the general population. I wonder if the gender phobic modern inquisitors will reveal any sort of trend?

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    • Replies: @Talha

    heretical activity was much more prevalent in nubile ladies
     
    Well, you want to make the strip searches fun, right? I mean, if you're going to abuse people's rights, might as well make it fun for the abusers - no need to force them to strip search obese, elderly women. Plus, then you can just pay them less since the job comes with perks.

    Sorry - that's my cynical side.

    Peace.
  115. Talha says:
    @Anon
    This could be a step to that poly-legal millet system you like. Just needs mutual blasphemy laws, British India-style, to keep everyone in order, no?

    ( :) , in case that was unclear)

    Oh – yeah – big time millet fan! There could be a protected gay millet where they can have all the parades and public copulation they want. Just pay the jizya and keep it off our streets.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    all the parades and public copulation they want... the jizya and keep it off our streets

    I understand that they are very circumspect with regard to the placement and disposal any jizz so keeping the streets clean of it should not be a problem.

  116. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Supposedly, inquisitors over the years, extending down to Puritans in NE, suspected (for some reason?) that heretical activity was much more prevalent in nubile ladies than the general population. I wonder if the gender phobic modern inquisitors will reveal any sort of trend?

    heretical activity was much more prevalent in nubile ladies

    Well, you want to make the strip searches fun, right? I mean, if you’re going to abuse people’s rights, might as well make it fun for the abusers – no need to force them to strip search obese, elderly women. Plus, then you can just pay them less since the job comes with perks.

    Sorry – that’s my cynical side.

    Peace.

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    I see a new ecumenism here-- you get arrested for saying gays are like pedophiles*, they get arrested for saying Mohammed was a pedophile, and I get arrested for saying pretty much anything.

    The question is, do we all get separate cells?

    *That is, if pedophilia is still a problem...
  117. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Oh - yeah - big time millet fan! There could be a protected gay millet where they can have all the parades and public copulation they want. Just pay the jizya and keep it off our streets.

    Peace.

    all the parades and public copulation they want… the jizya and keep it off our streets

    I understand that they are very circumspect with regard to the placement and disposal any jizz so keeping the streets clean of it should not be a problem.

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  118. Black Pigeon on the Goolag.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmaM-Mar_oA

    Andy Nowicki’s ALTERNATIVE RIGHT blog has been Nakba-ed.

    The real problem is ethno-monopoly. It’s the palestinianization of white identity.

    It’s no coincidence that the Power is attacking both BDS and White Identity.

    Palestinian rights and white identity are both hindrances to Jewish Supremacist Domination.

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  119. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    First it was Russia that influenced American votes..then it was Russia’s fault Americans now think are being influenced into anger for using their 1st amendment & wanting to eliminate their own history. Imagine how flattered Russia is. LOL. As for this increase in violence masked as hatred for Trump. Imo, it is buyers remorse, not for Trump..or the lack of Hillary, but for those who feel guilty having been failed by the previous Potus with whom they voted,fawned, & slobbered over, and by their own twisted guilt & anger for & about themselves now are hurt & disappointed. This is nothing more than transference and projection. Trump will prevail, and those who are fearful will not. God Bless America MAGA

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  120. LondonBob says:

    All beginning to seem very orchestrated now.

    I seem to recall there was the intention to do all this after the US election once Clinton won, guess they had move this all back again to now.

    Still I guess the powers that be have realised that white people won’t go quietly into the night as a minority in the US and that backlash is something they fear deeply. Kansas is bleeding.

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  121. Dreher at American conservative continues to surpass himself:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/buchanan-shameful-defense-of-white-supremacy/

    This is really despicable.

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    This is really despicable.

    I know you mean Dreher's piece is despicable and not Buchanan's, but how did you know that everyone here would know?
  122. @jacques sheete

    The institutions, it turns out, are marching on us.
     
    Which is exactly why they evolved, being the parasites that they are, yet many of the self appointed brightest amongst us, (left, right and whatever), fantasize otherwise and lend unquestioning support to the worst of them.

    So there was a Laplace demon who planned everything just to discomfit us.

    RIGHT.

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    So there was a Laplace demon who planned everything just to discomfit us.
     
    Nah, we're not that important. Nowhere near the center of the universe. However, things typically evolved, i.e., no plan implied, as I described.

    Right?

    For a guy who wrote a fairly decent initial comment, I must say you appear to be stumbling over yourself to negate most of it.

  123. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh
    Because no one likes a one-note poster.

    So easy to dismiss someone when you disagree with them. So hard to stick with principles.

    But look at how many concepts are banned by the main stream media and can be dismissed just as easily. If you talk about blacks or race you are racist and are a one-note poster. Just flush their comment down the toilet since it’s not like you are censoring right?

    Maybe if you want to keep talking about how bankers and Wallstreet are robbing America ir that Healthcare is unaffordable you are a onenote poster and you should be banned.

    I definately do not talk about the JQ exclusively. But the point being that it is hysterical to see an entire article talking about censorship and reading Anatoly be so self-riteous only to be exposed as a hypocrit.

    Unz is also a Jew and he never censors comments from people trying to make a point because labeling someone as one-note or obsessed or excessive is a cop out and cowardly.

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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @iffen
    Tu quoque fallacy; courtesy of Randal.

    Doubt this comet gets through.

    I refute it thus.

    In any case, comets are hard for anyone to handle.

    Ahhh. Grammer Nazi got me. Sorry but I was typing that on my phone and I think if you have a high enough iq you can figure it out.

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    Whoa! Somebody called me a Nazi. I am going to keep this and use it well to my advantage.
  125. @helena
    What's the Historic for?
    Native includes anyone born before now.
    Any phrase that contains Native and American will be understood to mean Indian. It's psychology. Politics is psychology. Hence the need to embrace nature.




    Totally agree about the babies. Darn, if I could have my time again!

    Darn, if I could have my time again!

    Knew it.

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  126. iffen says:
    @Anonymous
    Ahhh. Grammer Nazi got me. Sorry but I was typing that on my phone and I think if you have a high enough iq you can figure it out.

    Whoa! Somebody called me a Nazi. I am going to keep this and use it well to my advantage.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Didn't mean to trigger you.

    But I am surprised Anatoly didn't censor me there or maybe he is loosening up a little bit.
  127. @Marshall Lentini
    So there was a Laplace demon who planned everything just to discomfit us.

    RIGHT.

    So there was a Laplace demon who planned everything just to discomfit us.

    Nah, we’re not that important. Nowhere near the center of the universe. However, things typically evolved, i.e., no plan implied, as I described.

    Right?

    For a guy who wrote a fairly decent initial comment, I must say you appear to be stumbling over yourself to negate most of it.

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    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
    Well, you implied that they evolved for the current purpose of dispossessing us. But I'm pretty drunk.
    , @Marshall Lentini
    Blame the gin
  128. @jacques sheete

    So there was a Laplace demon who planned everything just to discomfit us.
     
    Nah, we're not that important. Nowhere near the center of the universe. However, things typically evolved, i.e., no plan implied, as I described.

    Right?

    For a guy who wrote a fairly decent initial comment, I must say you appear to be stumbling over yourself to negate most of it.

    Well, you implied that they evolved for the current purpose of dispossessing us. But I’m pretty drunk.

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  129. @jacques sheete

    So there was a Laplace demon who planned everything just to discomfit us.
     
    Nah, we're not that important. Nowhere near the center of the universe. However, things typically evolved, i.e., no plan implied, as I described.

    Right?

    For a guy who wrote a fairly decent initial comment, I must say you appear to be stumbling over yourself to negate most of it.

    Blame the gin

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  130. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @iffen
    Whoa! Somebody called me a Nazi. I am going to keep this and use it well to my advantage.

    Didn’t mean to trigger you.

    But I am surprised Anatoly didn’t censor me there or maybe he is loosening up a little bit.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Didn’t mean to trigger you.

    No, no, I need the Nazi label as a gateway; a prophylactic against accusations.
  131. Huffington Post unwittingly exposes the nature of Power in America.

    Bye Goy and Obey OyVey.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yeah nothing to see there. Surprised Anatoly didn't censor your comment there, else you be called an antisemite. After all, bringing up the Jewish Question might label you as a one-noter.

    AK: I censor Holocaust deniers because they tend to monopolize the discussion with their idiotic ramblings and discourage normies from commenting too much for it to be worth it (I probably wouldn't bother censoring it if The Unz Review had an upvote/downvote button, which would result in their posts languishing near the bottom). I don't censor reasonable discussion of the JQ.
  132. iffen says:
    @German_reader
    Dreher at American conservative continues to surpass himself:
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/buchanan-shameful-defense-of-white-supremacy/

    This is really despicable.

    This is really despicable.

    I know you mean Dreher’s piece is despicable and not Buchanan’s, but how did you know that everyone here would know?

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  133. iffen says:
    @Anonymous
    Didn't mean to trigger you.

    But I am surprised Anatoly didn't censor me there or maybe he is loosening up a little bit.

    Didn’t mean to trigger you.

    No, no, I need the Nazi label as a gateway; a prophylactic against accusations.

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  134. Sean says:

    Isaac Asimov predicted that for most people, work will disappear, and with nothing to do a third of the population (frustrated performers) will seek diversion by hamming it up and entertaining the other two thirds. Hence the internet.

    An armed uprising with the masters of global tech bloodied and beaten (literally) into crawling over to kiss the flag before being given a good coat of tar is the only way that Google can be stopped from destroying the world, but we know they won’t be stopped from destroying it.

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  135. Randal says:
    @helena
    "Personally, I have preferred to self-identify as dissident right, precisely because it has not been as defined in people’s minds as the term “alt-right” has."

    The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally. Far from seeking obtuseness or obscurity, those who disagree with the left must follow the left's lead in creating catchy labels. And whenever the left successfully tags a label with racism, new labels should emerge to replace the tarnished ones.

    Like this?

    Dissident Right is of the Alternative Right vanguard

    No, no capitals.

    As with alt right, anyone can call himself dissident right.

    The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally. Far from seeking obtuseness or obscurity, those who disagree with the left must follow the left’s lead in creating catchy labels. And whenever the left successfully tags a label with racism, new labels should emerge to replace the tarnished ones.

    The problem with that is that all you do is confirm the taboo and waste all your time picking your words ever more carefully to avoid crossing the bounds of the moving definition of what is verboten and then apologising when you get caught out or even just accused, and dissociating yourself from former allies who are accused or who cross the bounds of the permitted.

    In the end, the taboo has to be defied, discredited and broken and doubtless will be. That’s how the taboos and blasphemy laws protecting Christianity were defied and ultimately broken in post-Enlightenment Europe.

    Of course, a lot of people suffered along the way, and I’m not saying it was necessarily a good thing, all things considered. But it did happen.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    That’s how the taboos and blasphemy laws protecting Christianity were defied and ultimately broken in post-Enlightenment Europe.

    Can't you have your conservative card cancelled for speaking favorably of the Enlightenment?
    , @helena
    I understand what you are saying but I've always been of the opinion that the battle could have been won by abandoning certain trigger words and symbols. I've been fascinated reading the endless debates about ww2 but I can't find any rationale for perpetuating the symbols.
    Europeans need a new symbol, one that represents diversity European-style, a fiesta of multi-cultures across the globe.
  136. iffen says:
    @Randal

    Like this?

    Dissident Right is of the Alternative Right vanguard
     
    No, no capitals.

    As with alt right, anyone can call himself dissident right.

    The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally. Far from seeking obtuseness or obscurity, those who disagree with the left must follow the left’s lead in creating catchy labels. And whenever the left successfully tags a label with racism, new labels should emerge to replace the tarnished ones.
     
    The problem with that is that all you do is confirm the taboo and waste all your time picking your words ever more carefully to avoid crossing the bounds of the moving definition of what is verboten and then apologising when you get caught out or even just accused, and dissociating yourself from former allies who are accused or who cross the bounds of the permitted.

    In the end, the taboo has to be defied, discredited and broken and doubtless will be. That's how the taboos and blasphemy laws protecting Christianity were defied and ultimately broken in post-Enlightenment Europe.

    Of course, a lot of people suffered along the way, and I'm not saying it was necessarily a good thing, all things considered. But it did happen.

    That’s how the taboos and blasphemy laws protecting Christianity were defied and ultimately broken in post-Enlightenment Europe.

    Can’t you have your conservative card cancelled for speaking favorably of the Enlightenment?

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    I was careful to reserve my position on the destruction of Christianity (I didn't actually make any favourable reference to the Enlightenment itself), so hopefully I won't have to face another review board. Still, not as bad as the struggle session the other side gets when they step out of line.
  137. peterAUS says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    The only thing shocking in all this is that anyone ever thought it was going to be otherwise, that no one learned from history, that anyone still thought their society would be eternal. Having taken refuge in idealistic platitudes, one is unable to cope with the insistence of reality.

    Almost a century of watching the ground shrink beneath our feet, and every step of the way, white idealists consoled themselves with wishful mantras about a cosmic pendulum swinging back in our favor, enough people "waking up" to start a revolution, or men with guns behind every blade of grass revolting against federal tyranny. Something, someone, would stop all of this and save us. It has to.

    After all -- climate change, environmental degradation, and overpopulation were "leftist lies"; and white people were just being misled by Jews, they aren't really willing their own end. They would wake up eventually.

    None of it happened. None of it will, and it never could have. Because history isn't a wish-fulfillment fantasy, but a merciless march toward whatever conditions favor at a given time, et vae victis. The paradigm shift is complete.

    There was never going to be a right-wing "march through the institutions", as if one-hundred years of history were some kind of non-contingent seesaw of ideological factions, independent of the overarching technological tendencies that produced both. The institutions, it turns out, are marching on us. "It's so Orwellian!" And? does pointing this out make a difference? do you suppose Orwell thought this was avoidable?

    Now the internet safe-space is being pruned of its unlovelier fruits and everyone is shrieking. Why? Because we lost the "culture war" decades ago, and the internet was all we ever had: a virtual therapy session anytime one wished to offset the everyday terror of multicultopia. Everyone is terrified of losing their online hamster cage.

    The error isn't with "the left", who are not a political group but the majority itself, the error is with the right for ever having thought "the Constitution" would protect us from Michels' iron law of oligarchy or from the pitfalls of prosperity and complexity, which have always destroyed civilizations, all the moreso ours for having been the most prosperous and complex so suddenly.

    Quit the crying about internet censorship. It doesn't matter. There's no new information to be had about any of it. Or did you want to see manic drivel about Jews, race statistics, and how very wonderful northern Europeans are forever?

    The Charlottesville rally served a very great unintended purpose, as Anti-Dem notes but fails to follow to its conclusion: it has galvanized all of the "anti-white" forces in America and across the world. Everyone is now agreed that nationalism of any kind must be ruthlessly opposed and crushed. Not that nationalism2.0 ever had a chance to begin with; the complexity of modern life simply allowed people to opt for the illusion. Now they're going to take even that from you.

    I said this was necessary a decade ago. Here it is. Now what? was it always just about your favorite websites? how do you really live under tyranny? what is the art of being ruled, as Wyndham Lewis put it? Let each answer for himself.

    "The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally."

    Keep telling yourself that. The years won't pile on, if they haven't already, as you continue to anesthetize yourself with comforting dogma. History and the whole arc of civilization will obviously do a volte-face for those who chatter.

    Clap….clap……clap…..

    Still, not so sure about

    The paradigm shift is complete.

    You know, you really could have a look at how the peoples under Communism were doing before all that fell apart.
    Maybe even learn something practical.

    Just a thought.

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    You know, you really could have a look at how the peoples under Communism were doing before all that fell apart.
     
    -Surrounded by their own folk
    -Not idling away on the internet eating "hoops"
    -Not stuffing their faces into adult diabetes
    -No "pride" parades

    What am I missing? do you prefer it this way?

    I don't.
  138. Randal says:
    @iffen
    That’s how the taboos and blasphemy laws protecting Christianity were defied and ultimately broken in post-Enlightenment Europe.

    Can't you have your conservative card cancelled for speaking favorably of the Enlightenment?

    I was careful to reserve my position on the destruction of Christianity (I didn’t actually make any favourable reference to the Enlightenment itself), so hopefully I won’t have to face another review board. Still, not as bad as the struggle session the other side gets when they step out of line.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Speaking of reserving positions, what is your take on the upcoming Boston Free Speech event?

    Here's mine:

    The violence in Charlottesville was very likely engineered by "the authorities." It looks to me like the long term consequences for "our side" [you will allow me the liberty to be on the rule of law and freedom of inquiry side I hope] will be bad, just like in the short term. "The authorities" in Boston will be shown 24/7 for days protecting a small peaceful free speech group from a much larger counter-demonstration which will go a long way in "proving" that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WNs.
  139. @peterAUS
    Clap....clap......clap.....

    Still, not so sure about

    The paradigm shift is complete.
     
    You know, you really could have a look at how the peoples under Communism were doing before all that fell apart.
    Maybe even learn something practical.

    Just a thought.

    You know, you really could have a look at how the peoples under Communism were doing before all that fell apart.

    -Surrounded by their own folk
    -Not idling away on the internet eating “hoops”
    -Not stuffing their faces into adult diabetes
    -No “pride” parades

    What am I missing? do you prefer it this way?

    I don’t.

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    What am I missing?
     
    A serious effort to use that experience for own plight.
    Emphasize on "serious".

    Not you personally, mind you.
    All this Western "alt-right"..... thing.

    If dissidents of old, from under Communism, were to look at all this "alt-right" anti-establishment thing, I have a feeling they'd see all of it as "teenage kids in a schoolyard during lunch break".
    , @helena
    "-Not idling away on the internet eating “hoops” "

    Sadly, I suffer from an hereditary condition called tallslimmorphism. It's really debilitating; people have been staring at me all my life. so sometimes I like to duck indoors and have a chat with an old fossil from the deeeeep South.

  140. Omg we might have to miss a meal or two. Obviously communism is wrong. No one ever missed a meal.

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  141. El Dato says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    All the steps we read about that are mesnt to be stages leaading to the fully driverless car are less than revolutionary. To be able to call up a car for your 45-75 minute commute to work, however, which could chsnge urban and suburban living greatly, might be achievable if you could give driverless vehicles the right, on multilane highways, to travel sedately in the bus lane with no overtaking or risky manoeuvres. Even if it only delivered its passenger (s) to an underground/metro station 5 minutes from the office destination it could be transformative.

    OT, but: Driverless car problems haven’t even begun yet.

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/self-driving/the-big-problem-with-selfdriving-cars-is-people

    Plus, you won’t be able to escape an irate mob coming at you if you leave it to the car to do so.

    Wait until you invest….

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  142. I’m thinking… instead of ‘white identitarian’, which sounds too academic and European, how about ‘white independence’ or ‘Euro-pendence’. After all, nationalism is about independence. The American Republic was founded as a nation demanding independence from the British Empire. It wanted America First than Serve-Empire-First. And the Third World nations that rebelled against French, British, and Spanish Empires all wanted to be independent as nations with sovereignty.

    The current problem is white people are not fre and independent like wolves but kept like dogs on leash. They are forced to hate whatever and whomever the Globalist imperialists hate. So, if the Glob hates Russia, WE also have to hate Russia. If the Glob hates Palestinians, WE must also hate them and support ongoing Nakba and Apartheid in West Bank. If the Glob hates Iranians, WE also have to hate Iranians. If the Glob hates Syria, WE also must hate Syria.

    White folks must say:

    WE want independence. We don’t want to be ordered around like dogs to bark at people whom we know little about. If Supremacist Globalists want to hate other people, then fine, go ahead.
    But they should NOT force ALL OF US to share or support their rabid and virulent hatred that destroyed Middle East & North Africa, set Ukraine on fire, and ignited useless ‘new cold war’ with Russia.

    WE want independence of mind, heart, and identity, and we want to decide for what ourselves that which is good or bad for us as a people. 2107 is 1776 for Declaration of White Independence from Supremacist Globalism. YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US, and YOU WILL NOT OWN US. YOU DON’T DECIDE FOR US WHO ARE FRIENDS OR ENEMIES ARE. AND YOU, YES YOU, YOU ARE NOT THE FRIENDS OF THE WHITE RACE, CULTURE, AND HISTORY.

    Every nation must be a sacred safe space from the globo-imperialist blueprint of colonization and divide-and-conquer by diversity.

    Now, how can diversity, which is by nature divisive, hold a people together? It’s like saying heat keeps the ice frozen. In fact, the ONLY thing holding diversity together is the HATRED against the white race, the ‘nazi’, as defamed by supremacist globalists.

    Supremacist globalists who promote diversity exploit the chimera of ‘white supremacist’ to keep the diversity colonizer-coalition together.

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  143. @German_reader
    Maybe, we can only hope that the EU comes crashing down before they force Eastern Europe to travel down the same road. Would be good if the next economic downturn comes sooner rather than later, this could lead to the collapse of Germany and end the flow of Germany money and the attendant blackmailing power. If things get interesting, maybe even some parts of Germany could still be salvaged.

    I guess we both know that in the west, brazilification is the realistic outcome. How can it be otherwise given the kali-yuga-esque trance our people seem to live under.

    I suppose the best you can hope for in the west is the emergence of a two-tier society – with a heavily Islamic underclass on the bottom which you simply don’t have to interact with. Because although European populations are declining, even the worst-hit countries will still be 70% Euro for the next few decades.

    Of course, that is the cowards option but what can you do. For the time being, I am just focused on starting a family with my wife, building my career to ensure a safe environment for that family and realtalking as many friends/family as possible. My Natalie’s propaganda is stuff of legend amongst my friends at this point – but if I have encouraged even 1-2 extra births for our homeland then I am satisfied.

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  144. iffen says:
    @Randal
    I was careful to reserve my position on the destruction of Christianity (I didn't actually make any favourable reference to the Enlightenment itself), so hopefully I won't have to face another review board. Still, not as bad as the struggle session the other side gets when they step out of line.

    Speaking of reserving positions, what is your take on the upcoming Boston Free Speech event?

    Here’s mine:

    The violence in Charlottesville was very likely engineered by “the authorities.” It looks to me like the long term consequences for “our side” [you will allow me the liberty to be on the rule of law and freedom of inquiry side I hope] will be bad, just like in the short term. “The authorities” in Boston will be shown 24/7 for days protecting a small peaceful free speech group from a much larger counter-demonstration which will go a long way in “proving” that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WNs.

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    what is your take on the upcoming Boston Free Speech event?
     
    First I'd heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by "free speech except for" faux-liberal hypocrites?

    I didn't quite follow your subsequent paragraph. Let me work through it and hopefully you can tell me where I'm misunderstanding.


    The violence in Charlottesville was very likely engineered by “the authorities.”
     
    Seems we agree on that - presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they'd given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs, without the slightest attempt to police openly aggressive and menacing gangs of leftists, with disastrous results.

    It looks to me like the long term consequences for “our side” [you will allow me the liberty to be on the rule of law and freedom of inquiry side I hope] will be bad, just like in the short term.
     
    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here?

    “The authorities” in Boston will be shown 24/7 for days protecting a small peaceful free speech group from a much larger counter-demonstration which will go a long way in “proving” that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WNs.
     
    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don't abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    If so, I don't see how you conclude that will necessarily be a bad thing for the rule of law (assuming that's what you were referring to), nor how it will ""prove" that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WN"? Unless you mean that it will be misrepresented (which it admittedly probably will, as the mainstream media have demonstrated their intention of bald-faced lying on this topic - because after all it's a matter of good versus evil and the truth is not just secondary, but utterly irrelevant).

    I suppose it will be a bad thing for the rule of law if the authorities fail to control the leftist thugs, but not if they do their jobs properly. Let's face it, if it were a demonstration against globalisation they'd have no hesitation in going in hard and effectively on the lefties.

  145. Randal says:
    @iffen
    Speaking of reserving positions, what is your take on the upcoming Boston Free Speech event?

    Here's mine:

    The violence in Charlottesville was very likely engineered by "the authorities." It looks to me like the long term consequences for "our side" [you will allow me the liberty to be on the rule of law and freedom of inquiry side I hope] will be bad, just like in the short term. "The authorities" in Boston will be shown 24/7 for days protecting a small peaceful free speech group from a much larger counter-demonstration which will go a long way in "proving" that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WNs.

    what is your take on the upcoming Boston Free Speech event?

    First I’d heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by “free speech except for” faux-liberal hypocrites?

    I didn’t quite follow your subsequent paragraph. Let me work through it and hopefully you can tell me where I’m misunderstanding.

    The violence in Charlottesville was very likely engineered by “the authorities.”

    Seems we agree on that – presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they’d given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs, without the slightest attempt to police openly aggressive and menacing gangs of leftists, with disastrous results.

    It looks to me like the long term consequences for “our side” [you will allow me the liberty to be on the rule of law and freedom of inquiry side I hope] will be bad, just like in the short term.

    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here?

    “The authorities” in Boston will be shown 24/7 for days protecting a small peaceful free speech group from a much larger counter-demonstration which will go a long way in “proving” that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WNs.

    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don’t abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    If so, I don’t see how you conclude that will necessarily be a bad thing for the rule of law (assuming that’s what you were referring to), nor how it will “”prove” that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WN”? Unless you mean that it will be misrepresented (which it admittedly probably will, as the mainstream media have demonstrated their intention of bald-faced lying on this topic – because after all it’s a matter of good versus evil and the truth is not just secondary, but utterly irrelevant).

    I suppose it will be a bad thing for the rule of law if the authorities fail to control the leftist thugs, but not if they do their jobs properly. Let’s face it, if it were a demonstration against globalisation they’d have no hesitation in going in hard and effectively on the lefties.

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    First I’d heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by “free speech except for” faux-liberal hypocrites?

    How, exactly are we supposed to know this sort of thing anymore?

    Seems we agree on that – presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they’d given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs,

    iffen says:
    August 18, 2017 at 7:08 pm GMT • 200 Words
    The ProPublica piece reports that throughout the morning and in different locations the police stood aside and out of the way while fighting took place between the two groups. Several incidents of militia separating combatants is reported while the police stood aside. The piece only reports assaults by UTR people and none by the antifa.
    The police admit to forcing the UTR people from the park and into the streets filled with antifa and counter-protestors. said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe [ when asked about the police failure to intervene], “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”
    This from the NY Times: “He joined a human chain that stretched in front of Emancipation Park and linked his arms with others, blocking waves of white supremacists — some of them in full Nazi regalia — from entering.” This would seem to confirm the reports from UTR people that they were forced to “run gauntlets” in order to enter the park.
     

    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here? Charlottesville

    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    The counter protesters (inspired by Charlottesville) should dwarf the free speechers.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don’t abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    No, the authorities will be shown “doing their job” in protecting the free speech group from some pushing and shoving by the counterdemonstrators. They might even arrest some of the out of line (for this event) antifa anarchist types.
    It’s like a two act play. Last week Nazis brought hate and violence to America; this week controversial public assembly “protected by the state.” Just like it’s s’posed to be.

    Something I just read and have to read more, but apparently Jake Tapper of CNN is flirting with going rogue and will not stop reporting on the assault on two journalists by antifa in Charlottesville.

    , @iffen
    My reply got canked as spam. I'll try again.
    , @iffen
    First I’d heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by “free speech except for” faux-liberal hypocrites?

    How, exactly are we supposed to know this sort of thing anymore?

    Seems we agree on that – presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they’d given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs,


    iffen says:
    August 18, 2017 at 7:08 pm GMT • 200 Words
    The ProPublica piece reports that throughout the morning and in different locations the police stood aside and out of the way while fighting took place between the two groups. Several incidents of militia separating combatants is reported while the police stood aside. The piece only reports assaults by UTR people and none by the antifa.
    The police admit to forcing the UTR people from the park and into the streets filled with antifa and counter-protestors. said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe [ when asked about the police failure to intervene], “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”
    This from the NY Times: “He joined a human chain that stretched in front of Emancipation Park and linked his arms with others, blocking waves of white supremacists — some of them in full Nazi regalia — from entering.” This would seem to confirm the reports from UTR people that they were forced to “run gauntlets” in order to enter the park.
     
    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here? Charlottesville

    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    The counter protesters (inspired by Charlottesville) are predicted to dwarf the free speechers.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don’t abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    Yes, most importantly the authorities will be shown “doing their job” in protecting the free speech group from some pushing and shoving by the counterdemonstrators. They might even arrest some of the out of line (for this event) antifa anarchist types.

    It’s like a two act play. Last week Nazis brought hate and violence to America; this week controversial public assembly “protected by the state.” Just like it’s s’posed to be.

    Something I just read and have to read more, but apparently Jake Tapper of CNN is flirting with going rogue and will not stop reporting on the assault on two journalists by antifa in Charlottesville.
  146. So why can’t they ban all porn? It is supposed to work 2 ways. Porn is much more dangerous and degrading than the Daily Stormer or VDare.
    Daily Stormer was my favorite website with NO advertising, funny, funny laughs, and I miss Andrew Anglin’s comments most of all. Andrew’s ironic humor was a gift to behold.

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  147. iffen says:
    @Randal

    what is your take on the upcoming Boston Free Speech event?
     
    First I'd heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by "free speech except for" faux-liberal hypocrites?

    I didn't quite follow your subsequent paragraph. Let me work through it and hopefully you can tell me where I'm misunderstanding.


    The violence in Charlottesville was very likely engineered by “the authorities.”
     
    Seems we agree on that - presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they'd given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs, without the slightest attempt to police openly aggressive and menacing gangs of leftists, with disastrous results.

    It looks to me like the long term consequences for “our side” [you will allow me the liberty to be on the rule of law and freedom of inquiry side I hope] will be bad, just like in the short term.
     
    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here?

    “The authorities” in Boston will be shown 24/7 for days protecting a small peaceful free speech group from a much larger counter-demonstration which will go a long way in “proving” that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WNs.
     
    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don't abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    If so, I don't see how you conclude that will necessarily be a bad thing for the rule of law (assuming that's what you were referring to), nor how it will ""prove" that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WN"? Unless you mean that it will be misrepresented (which it admittedly probably will, as the mainstream media have demonstrated their intention of bald-faced lying on this topic - because after all it's a matter of good versus evil and the truth is not just secondary, but utterly irrelevant).

    I suppose it will be a bad thing for the rule of law if the authorities fail to control the leftist thugs, but not if they do their jobs properly. Let's face it, if it were a demonstration against globalisation they'd have no hesitation in going in hard and effectively on the lefties.

    First I’d heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by “free speech except for” faux-liberal hypocrites?

    How, exactly are we supposed to know this sort of thing anymore?

    Seems we agree on that – presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they’d given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs,

    iffen says:
    August 18, 2017 at 7:08 pm GMT • 200 Words
    The ProPublica piece reports that throughout the morning and in different locations the police stood aside and out of the way while fighting took place between the two groups. Several incidents of militia separating combatants is reported while the police stood aside. The piece only reports assaults by UTR people and none by the antifa.
    The police admit to forcing the UTR people from the park and into the streets filled with antifa and counter-protestors. said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe [ when asked about the police failure to intervene], “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”
    This from the NY Times: “He joined a human chain that stretched in front of Emancipation Park and linked his arms with others, blocking waves of white supremacists — some of them in full Nazi regalia — from entering.” This would seem to confirm the reports from UTR people that they were forced to “run gauntlets” in order to enter the park.

    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here? Charlottesville

    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    The counter protesters (inspired by Charlottesville) should dwarf the free speechers.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don’t abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    No, the authorities will be shown “doing their job” in protecting the free speech group from some pushing and shoving by the counterdemonstrators. They might even arrest some of the out of line (for this event) antifa anarchist types.
    It’s like a two act play. Last week Nazis brought hate and violence to America; this week controversial public assembly “protected by the state.” Just like it’s s’posed to be.

    Something I just read and have to read more, but apparently Jake Tapper of CNN is flirting with going rogue and will not stop reporting on the assault on two journalists by antifa in Charlottesville.

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  148. iffen says:
    @Randal

    what is your take on the upcoming Boston Free Speech event?
     
    First I'd heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by "free speech except for" faux-liberal hypocrites?

    I didn't quite follow your subsequent paragraph. Let me work through it and hopefully you can tell me where I'm misunderstanding.


    The violence in Charlottesville was very likely engineered by “the authorities.”
     
    Seems we agree on that - presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they'd given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs, without the slightest attempt to police openly aggressive and menacing gangs of leftists, with disastrous results.

    It looks to me like the long term consequences for “our side” [you will allow me the liberty to be on the rule of law and freedom of inquiry side I hope] will be bad, just like in the short term.
     
    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here?

    “The authorities” in Boston will be shown 24/7 for days protecting a small peaceful free speech group from a much larger counter-demonstration which will go a long way in “proving” that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WNs.
     
    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don't abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    If so, I don't see how you conclude that will necessarily be a bad thing for the rule of law (assuming that's what you were referring to), nor how it will ""prove" that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WN"? Unless you mean that it will be misrepresented (which it admittedly probably will, as the mainstream media have demonstrated their intention of bald-faced lying on this topic - because after all it's a matter of good versus evil and the truth is not just secondary, but utterly irrelevant).

    I suppose it will be a bad thing for the rule of law if the authorities fail to control the leftist thugs, but not if they do their jobs properly. Let's face it, if it were a demonstration against globalisation they'd have no hesitation in going in hard and effectively on the lefties.

    My reply got canked as spam. I’ll try again.

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  149. iffen says:
    @Randal

    what is your take on the upcoming Boston Free Speech event?
     
    First I'd heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by "free speech except for" faux-liberal hypocrites?

    I didn't quite follow your subsequent paragraph. Let me work through it and hopefully you can tell me where I'm misunderstanding.


    The violence in Charlottesville was very likely engineered by “the authorities.”
     
    Seems we agree on that - presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they'd given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs, without the slightest attempt to police openly aggressive and menacing gangs of leftists, with disastrous results.

    It looks to me like the long term consequences for “our side” [you will allow me the liberty to be on the rule of law and freedom of inquiry side I hope] will be bad, just like in the short term.
     
    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here?

    “The authorities” in Boston will be shown 24/7 for days protecting a small peaceful free speech group from a much larger counter-demonstration which will go a long way in “proving” that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WNs.
     
    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don't abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    If so, I don't see how you conclude that will necessarily be a bad thing for the rule of law (assuming that's what you were referring to), nor how it will ""prove" that the violence in Charlottesville was the work of the Nazis and WN"? Unless you mean that it will be misrepresented (which it admittedly probably will, as the mainstream media have demonstrated their intention of bald-faced lying on this topic - because after all it's a matter of good versus evil and the truth is not just secondary, but utterly irrelevant).

    I suppose it will be a bad thing for the rule of law if the authorities fail to control the leftist thugs, but not if they do their jobs properly. Let's face it, if it were a demonstration against globalisation they'd have no hesitation in going in hard and effectively on the lefties.

    First I’d heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by “free speech except for” faux-liberal hypocrites?

    How, exactly are we supposed to know this sort of thing anymore?

    Seems we agree on that – presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they’d given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs,

    iffen says:
    August 18, 2017 at 7:08 pm GMT • 200 Words
    The ProPublica piece reports that throughout the morning and in different locations the police stood aside and out of the way while fighting took place between the two groups. Several incidents of militia separating combatants is reported while the police stood aside. The piece only reports assaults by UTR people and none by the antifa.
    The police admit to forcing the UTR people from the park and into the streets filled with antifa and counter-protestors. said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe [ when asked about the police failure to intervene], “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”
    This from the NY Times: “He joined a human chain that stretched in front of Emancipation Park and linked his arms with others, blocking waves of white supremacists — some of them in full Nazi regalia — from entering.” This would seem to confirm the reports from UTR people that they were forced to “run gauntlets” in order to enter the park.

    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here? Charlottesville

    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    The counter protesters (inspired by Charlottesville) are predicted to dwarf the free speechers.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don’t abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    Yes, most importantly the authorities will be shown “doing their job” in protecting the free speech group from some pushing and shoving by the counterdemonstrators. They might even arrest some of the out of line (for this event) antifa anarchist types.

    It’s like a two act play. Last week Nazis brought hate and violence to America; this week controversial public assembly “protected by the state.” Just like it’s s’posed to be.

    Something I just read and have to read more, but apparently Jake Tapper of CNN is flirting with going rogue and will not stop reporting on the assault on two journalists by antifa in Charlottesville.

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    OK, got it now.


    How, exactly are we supposed to know this sort of thing anymore?
     
    Come on, there's only one broad kind of speech that's seriously under threat in the US/UK/Europe at the moment.

    this week controversial public assembly “protected by the state.” Just like it’s s’posed to be
     
    Well, in fairness - isn't that precisely the rule of law in operation?

    apparently Jake Tapper of CNN is flirting with going rogue and will not stop reporting on the assault on two journalists by antifa in Charlottesville.
     
    Thanks for that - led me back to Dreher and a hilarious piece of outrage by journalists at the beatings spreading from the intended and righteous targets of mere conservatives, to actual real people, and what's worse - even journalists! As well as an absolutely gobsmacking piece of mendacious idiocy from antifa claiming they were justified in punching a journalist trying to take pictures of them because he was "perpetuating rape culture".

    You would struggle to make it up and expect to be taken remotely seriously!

    Just posted a link on Karlin's "Clash of Cultures" thread.
  150. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    Huffington Post unwittingly exposes the nature of Power in America.

    Bye Goy and Obey OyVey.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHiK-DQUwAES2c2.jpg

    Yeah nothing to see there. Surprised Anatoly didn’t censor your comment there, else you be called an antisemite. After all, bringing up the Jewish Question might label you as a one-noter.

    AK: I censor Holocaust deniers because they tend to monopolize the discussion with their idiotic ramblings and discourage normies from commenting too much for it to be worth it (I probably wouldn’t bother censoring it if The Unz Review had an upvote/downvote button, which would result in their posts languishing near the bottom). I don’t censor reasonable discussion of the JQ.

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  151. Randal says:
    @iffen
    First I’d heard of it. Is it organised by genuine believers in free speech, or by “free speech except for” faux-liberal hypocrites?

    How, exactly are we supposed to know this sort of thing anymore?

    Seems we agree on that – presently it looks as though the Democrats instead of protecting the demo they’d given a permit for from people openly intending to attack it, declared a state of emergency on the morning of the event and forced the demonstrators all but defenceless and in small groups into the hands of the armed and aggressive antifa thugs,


    iffen says:
    August 18, 2017 at 7:08 pm GMT • 200 Words
    The ProPublica piece reports that throughout the morning and in different locations the police stood aside and out of the way while fighting took place between the two groups. Several incidents of militia separating combatants is reported while the police stood aside. The piece only reports assaults by UTR people and none by the antifa.
    The police admit to forcing the UTR people from the park and into the streets filled with antifa and counter-protestors. said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe [ when asked about the police failure to intervene], “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”
    This from the NY Times: “He joined a human chain that stretched in front of Emancipation Park and linked his arms with others, blocking waves of white supremacists — some of them in full Nazi regalia — from entering.” This would seem to confirm the reports from UTR people that they were forced to “run gauntlets” in order to enter the park.
     
    Are you referring to Charlottesville or Boston here? Charlottesville

    Presumably if this is an event by genuine free speechers it will be opposed by the anti-free speech thugs of the left.

    The counter protesters (inspired by Charlottesville) are predicted to dwarf the free speechers.

    So what will be happening is another more or less open attack on freedom of speech by the left, presumably protected by the authorities assuming they don’t abdicate their responsibility as at Charlottesville.

    Yes, most importantly the authorities will be shown “doing their job” in protecting the free speech group from some pushing and shoving by the counterdemonstrators. They might even arrest some of the out of line (for this event) antifa anarchist types.

    It’s like a two act play. Last week Nazis brought hate and violence to America; this week controversial public assembly “protected by the state.” Just like it’s s’posed to be.

    Something I just read and have to read more, but apparently Jake Tapper of CNN is flirting with going rogue and will not stop reporting on the assault on two journalists by antifa in Charlottesville.

    OK, got it now.

    How, exactly are we supposed to know this sort of thing anymore?

    Come on, there’s only one broad kind of speech that’s seriously under threat in the US/UK/Europe at the moment.

    this week controversial public assembly “protected by the state.” Just like it’s s’posed to be

    Well, in fairness – isn’t that precisely the rule of law in operation?

    apparently Jake Tapper of CNN is flirting with going rogue and will not stop reporting on the assault on two journalists by antifa in Charlottesville.

    Thanks for that – led me back to Dreher and a hilarious piece of outrage by journalists at the beatings spreading from the intended and righteous targets of mere conservatives, to actual real people, and what’s worse – even journalists! As well as an absolutely gobsmacking piece of mendacious idiocy from antifa claiming they were justified in punching a journalist trying to take pictures of them because he was “perpetuating rape culture”.

    You would struggle to make it up and expect to be taken remotely seriously!

    Just posted a link on Karlin’s “Clash of Cultures” thread.

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  152. peterAUS says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    You know, you really could have a look at how the peoples under Communism were doing before all that fell apart.
     
    -Surrounded by their own folk
    -Not idling away on the internet eating "hoops"
    -Not stuffing their faces into adult diabetes
    -No "pride" parades

    What am I missing? do you prefer it this way?

    I don't.

    What am I missing?

    A serious effort to use that experience for own plight.
    Emphasize on “serious”.

    Not you personally, mind you.
    All this Western “alt-right”….. thing.

    If dissidents of old, from under Communism, were to look at all this “alt-right” anti-establishment thing, I have a feeling they’d see all of it as “teenage kids in a schoolyard during lunch break”.

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    Of course it's juvenile. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me about Soviet society, however. You should know I sympathize with the Soviet project, and Marxism itself, as far as its materialist premise, anyway. And I totally reject the facile labelling of what's going on as "communism", which is just ignorance.

    In my view, all of this results from surplus energy, including calories. This wasn't the case under Communism, as Russia has less to work with generally, which kept shit normal.

    No one on the left or right has the will for sacrifice. Everyone wants the entire historical paradigm to change while retaining all the amenities. We've been spoiled by decades of affluence and can't let go.

    I am explicitly anti-freedom. If I had my way, virtually everyone would be under the yoke from day one. I have no interest in rights or parchment; nor do people really need it. Freedom is the whole problem. One way or another, it will disappear as energy supplies diminish.

    Anyone crying about it hasn't understood how we got here.
  153. Excal says:
    @Strelkov
    You can always contribute to the TOR network by running a relay or better still an exit node: https://www.eff.org/torchallenge/what-is-tor.html

    The Rapsberry Pi 3 single board computer can transfer a lot of data if left on 24-7/365 which it is more than capable of doing. In this way you can contribute to the bandwidth of TOR network capacity. ANd if you are worried about being black-listed by an ISP, etc just run the TOR relay through a cheap VPN provider like PIA. Everything you need will cost you less than $60 for the first year and depending on your internet speed you can transmit hundreds of gigabytes of TOR traffic on a weekly or monthly basis.

    ~~~

    Tor is more or less a honeypot, and possibly always was. Its historical sources of funding, and its history generally, are quite fascinating.

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  154. @peterAUS

    What am I missing?
     
    A serious effort to use that experience for own plight.
    Emphasize on "serious".

    Not you personally, mind you.
    All this Western "alt-right"..... thing.

    If dissidents of old, from under Communism, were to look at all this "alt-right" anti-establishment thing, I have a feeling they'd see all of it as "teenage kids in a schoolyard during lunch break".

    Of course it’s juvenile. I’m not sure what you’re trying to tell me about Soviet society, however. You should know I sympathize with the Soviet project, and Marxism itself, as far as its materialist premise, anyway. And I totally reject the facile labelling of what’s going on as “communism”, which is just ignorance.

    In my view, all of this results from surplus energy, including calories. This wasn’t the case under Communism, as Russia has less to work with generally, which kept shit normal.

    No one on the left or right has the will for sacrifice. Everyone wants the entire historical paradigm to change while retaining all the amenities. We’ve been spoiled by decades of affluence and can’t let go.

    I am explicitly anti-freedom. If I had my way, virtually everyone would be under the yoke from day one. I have no interest in rights or parchment; nor do people really need it. Freedom is the whole problem. One way or another, it will disappear as energy supplies diminish.

    Anyone crying about it hasn’t understood how we got here.

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    I’m not sure what you’re trying to tell me about Soviet society, however.
     
    I am trying to say that dissidents in West could try to learn something from dissidents under Communism.
    Could try.
    Nobody said they should.
    Free will.
    Like, as probably applicable for the moment:
    -one public, one private face/opinion/talk/behavior.
    -focus on people who share your views; do NOT waste your energy on people who do not. Quality over quantity.
    -learn certain skills; develop certain mindset.

    No one on the left or right has the will for sacrifice. Everyone wants the entire historical paradigm to change while retaining all the amenities. We’ve been spoiled by decades of affluence and can’t let go.

     

    Agree.
    At the same time people would probably wish to know what the sacrifice is for and, equally important, would it make any difference.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    One way or another, it will disappear as energy supplies diminish.
     
    An adherent of the dieoff theory?
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    Can't directly imbed YouTube videos for some reason. Anyway, I was thinking about free speech songs with a non-globalist agenda, and this track by British prog rock band Renaissance was about the only thing that came to mind. Pretty appropriate given the world is turning into one big Gulag free speech wise.
  156. Excal says:

    This is shocking and dismaying, but not the least bit surprising.

    Today, the hated “white supremacists”: tomorrow, the Catholics, and all sincere Christians, and — oh yes — the Jews. (Do not assume that Jews in power will not persecute Jews. Catholics are the same with their own. We have all betrayed each other throughout history. The good are mixed with the bad.)

    All the wicked regimes of the twentieth century emerged this way. The United States long boasted in its immunity, but it is happening now.

    The resistance will likely proceed as resistances have always done: through samizdat, cells, code-words and furtive meetings. There will be punishments — very humane ones, no doubt: sterilisation, for instance, or “euthanasia”.

    The Christians know how it all ends. As Benedict XVI recently told the new Cardinals: “The Lord wins in the end”. Exciting times are upon us. Catholics, man your rosaries, and get ready.

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  157. @unpc downunder
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JcGIW9FkrY

    Can’t directly imbed YouTube videos for some reason. Anyway, I was thinking about free speech songs with a non-globalist agenda, and this track by British prog rock band Renaissance was about the only thing that came to mind. Pretty appropriate given the world is turning into one big Gulag free speech wise.

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  158. peterAUS says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    Of course it's juvenile. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me about Soviet society, however. You should know I sympathize with the Soviet project, and Marxism itself, as far as its materialist premise, anyway. And I totally reject the facile labelling of what's going on as "communism", which is just ignorance.

    In my view, all of this results from surplus energy, including calories. This wasn't the case under Communism, as Russia has less to work with generally, which kept shit normal.

    No one on the left or right has the will for sacrifice. Everyone wants the entire historical paradigm to change while retaining all the amenities. We've been spoiled by decades of affluence and can't let go.

    I am explicitly anti-freedom. If I had my way, virtually everyone would be under the yoke from day one. I have no interest in rights or parchment; nor do people really need it. Freedom is the whole problem. One way or another, it will disappear as energy supplies diminish.

    Anyone crying about it hasn't understood how we got here.

    I’m not sure what you’re trying to tell me about Soviet society, however.

    I am trying to say that dissidents in West could try to learn something from dissidents under Communism.
    Could try.
    Nobody said they should.
    Free will.
    Like, as probably applicable for the moment:
    -one public, one private face/opinion/talk/behavior.
    -focus on people who share your views; do NOT waste your energy on people who do not. Quality over quantity.
    -learn certain skills; develop certain mindset.

    No one on the left or right has the will for sacrifice. Everyone wants the entire historical paradigm to change while retaining all the amenities. We’ve been spoiled by decades of affluence and can’t let go.

    Agree.
    At the same time people would probably wish to know what the sacrifice is for and, equally important, would it make any difference.

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    теперь я понимаю. Буд осторожны.

    Utterly beyond this set, tovarich.
  159. @peterAUS

    I’m not sure what you’re trying to tell me about Soviet society, however.
     
    I am trying to say that dissidents in West could try to learn something from dissidents under Communism.
    Could try.
    Nobody said they should.
    Free will.
    Like, as probably applicable for the moment:
    -one public, one private face/opinion/talk/behavior.
    -focus on people who share your views; do NOT waste your energy on people who do not. Quality over quantity.
    -learn certain skills; develop certain mindset.

    No one on the left or right has the will for sacrifice. Everyone wants the entire historical paradigm to change while retaining all the amenities. We’ve been spoiled by decades of affluence and can’t let go.

     

    Agree.
    At the same time people would probably wish to know what the sacrifice is for and, equally important, would it make any difference.

    теперь я понимаю. Буд осторожны.

    Utterly beyond this set, tovarich.

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    Utterly beyond this set, tovarich.
     
    Now, that is an interesting thought.

    Any particular reason why?

    You did state something along the lines as "soft, weak" as a result of an affluent life.
    I guess there could be some truth there.

    But, at the other hand, there is intelligence, education, access to accumulated knowledge of how these things really work and, apparently, desire to do something.

    So, there must be more there than just "soft, weak" as a result of an affluent life.

    Maybe.....being exceptional in all things, including how being dissident works.
    Or, maybe enough contempt for the rest of the world that nothing can be learnt from those. Especially "Russkies".
  160. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha

    heretical activity was much more prevalent in nubile ladies
     
    Well, you want to make the strip searches fun, right? I mean, if you're going to abuse people's rights, might as well make it fun for the abusers - no need to force them to strip search obese, elderly women. Plus, then you can just pay them less since the job comes with perks.

    Sorry - that's my cynical side.

    Peace.

    I see a new ecumenism here– you get arrested for saying gays are like pedophiles*, they get arrested for saying Mohammed was a pedophile, and I get arrested for saying pretty much anything.

    The question is, do we all get separate cells?

    *That is, if pedophilia is still a problem…

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    LOL! No - lack of good fences is what got us here in the first place!
  161. peterAUS says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    теперь я понимаю. Буд осторожны.

    Utterly beyond this set, tovarich.

    Utterly beyond this set, tovarich.

    Now, that is an interesting thought.

    Any particular reason why?

    You did state something along the lines as “soft, weak” as a result of an affluent life.
    I guess there could be some truth there.

    But, at the other hand, there is intelligence, education, access to accumulated knowledge of how these things really work and, apparently, desire to do something.

    So, there must be more there than just “soft, weak” as a result of an affluent life.

    Maybe…..being exceptional in all things, including how being dissident works.
    Or, maybe enough contempt for the rest of the world that nothing can be learnt from those. Especially “Russkies”.

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    Well, there's usually more than one factor at work. Lack of discipline, an extreme mixture of types (even in Europe), cultural chauvinism, and the universal tendency to view phenomenon through the lense of ideology, not materiality. Like Marx. Who was Jewish. And therefore wrong, naturally.

    Heuristic biases don't just go away because we have vast stores of knowledge at our fingertips. Reasoning is still adaptive - i.e. good enough, not complete - for most people. Anything who disagrees is a Nazi or a Jew: simple.

    Even the most cerebral, like Anti-Dem, Zman, or that Fourth Political Position character (all these positions -- it's a kama sutra of political make-believe), are still hung up on this reified specter of "liberalism". Everything must end with ideology because their fallacious starting-point is always ideology. Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος!

    And there is very little real desire to do something. Most of these people would happily yammer about Jews and "Cultural Marxism" for the rest of their lives if left to do so. Do you doubt it?

    On the other hand, right-wing types tend to idealize what human life is about -- IQ, cathedrals, art, the whole blahblahblah of muh western civilization in fetishistic capitals.

    At the end of the day we're just animals: sticking our necks out still isn't part of the program for most. So I don't fault people for being homebodies who don't like risk.

    I myself have very little to lose, so I find the prospect of open tyranny in my lifetime exciting. I welcome a change, even, nay especially, for the worse. Let the mute old statues come down. Let speech be stifled. Let the women fear for their virtue, as if they had any left. Let's try having masters again.

    Above all, let people suffer. It's good for us. It hardens. Only the weak fear being deprived of the nonessential. Only the weak don't like the idea of being tested.

    As for these jokers, these obsessive, sheltered, monomanical alt-right paranoiacs, who are all one-noters by the way, they're as much the latest social excreta of the system as anyone else: you can't expect them to give up their digital security blanket and embrace history, handmaid to none.
  162. Talha says:
    @Anon
    I see a new ecumenism here-- you get arrested for saying gays are like pedophiles*, they get arrested for saying Mohammed was a pedophile, and I get arrested for saying pretty much anything.

    The question is, do we all get separate cells?

    *That is, if pedophilia is still a problem...

    LOL! No – lack of good fences is what got us here in the first place!

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    Oops! I meant *yes, of course*! Getting late here.
  163. Talha says:
    @Talha
    LOL! No - lack of good fences is what got us here in the first place!

    Oops! I meant *yes, of course*! Getting late here.

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  164. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The biggest mistake websites like daily-stormer and other sites (if they are doing it) is to associate themselves with neo-nazis. It is morally wrong. Hitler was a socialist. He also hated european jews who were white people. He hated all the other white people like russians, irish, french, european spanish and all other europeans who were ‘white’. He hated the brits. He bombed innocent ‘white people’ in london. He did not ‘love’ white people. He saw all other white people as ‘inferior’ to german people. He was an animal.

    These sites and those far right rallies need to keep the nazi flag holders from their rallies. They were ‘planted’ into those rallies by somebody just to give the far right a bad name. I knew they were ‘plants’ the moment i saw pictures of them in those rallies. Presence of those people and some neo-nazi commenters/writers (who may be deliberately instigating the far right to become nazi) on the far right websites…..are causing these websites problems.

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  165. @peterAUS

    Utterly beyond this set, tovarich.
     
    Now, that is an interesting thought.

    Any particular reason why?

    You did state something along the lines as "soft, weak" as a result of an affluent life.
    I guess there could be some truth there.

    But, at the other hand, there is intelligence, education, access to accumulated knowledge of how these things really work and, apparently, desire to do something.

    So, there must be more there than just "soft, weak" as a result of an affluent life.

    Maybe.....being exceptional in all things, including how being dissident works.
    Or, maybe enough contempt for the rest of the world that nothing can be learnt from those. Especially "Russkies".

    Well, there’s usually more than one factor at work. Lack of discipline, an extreme mixture of types (even in Europe), cultural chauvinism, and the universal tendency to view phenomenon through the lense of ideology, not materiality. Like Marx. Who was Jewish. And therefore wrong, naturally.

    Heuristic biases don’t just go away because we have vast stores of knowledge at our fingertips. Reasoning is still adaptive – i.e. good enough, not complete – for most people. Anything who disagrees is a Nazi or a Jew: simple.

    Even the most cerebral, like Anti-Dem, Zman, or that Fourth Political Position character (all these positions — it’s a kama sutra of political make-believe), are still hung up on this reified specter of “liberalism”. Everything must end with ideology because their fallacious starting-point is always ideology. Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος!

    And there is very little real desire to do something. Most of these people would happily yammer about Jews and “Cultural Marxism” for the rest of their lives if left to do so. Do you doubt it?

    On the other hand, right-wing types tend to idealize what human life is about — IQ, cathedrals, art, the whole blahblahblah of muh western civilization in fetishistic capitals.

    At the end of the day we’re just animals: sticking our necks out still isn’t part of the program for most. So I don’t fault people for being homebodies who don’t like risk.

    I myself have very little to lose, so I find the prospect of open tyranny in my lifetime exciting. I welcome a change, even, nay especially, for the worse. Let the mute old statues come down. Let speech be stifled. Let the women fear for their virtue, as if they had any left. Let’s try having masters again.

    Above all, let people suffer. It’s good for us. It hardens. Only the weak fear being deprived of the nonessential. Only the weak don’t like the idea of being tested.

    As for these jokers, these obsessive, sheltered, monomanical alt-right paranoiacs, who are all one-noters by the way, they’re as much the latest social excreta of the system as anyone else: you can’t expect them to give up their digital security blanket and embrace history, handmaid to none.

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    I myself have very little to lose, so I find the prospect of open tyranny in my lifetime exciting. I welcome a change, even, nay especially, for the worse. Let the mute old statues come down. Let speech be stifled. Let the women fear for their virtue, as if they had any left. Let’s try having masters again.
     
    So why didn’t you migrate to Raqqah, Syria? The Caliph of ISIS offers you all that you claim your heart yearns for.
    , @peterAUS
    Thoughtful post.
    Tend to agree with a lot of it, but not with all of it.
    There is a sort of “magic” in human behavior, especially when dealing with tyranny.
    Example:
    A mass of people, sheeple really, just taking the s**t->some perceptive souls rebelling against it every now and then and paying a heavy price for it->and it goes on……->until one day, one hour actually, the same sheeple, the same system, the same setup for another s**t eating self-debasing session, and….a man yelled something and somehow, all the setup changed. Almost as, in a couple of minutes, change of consciousness happened, not only of the sheeple, but everyone there. Tens of thousands of people.

    What made that change possible IS The QUESTION.

    My theory: combination of hardship, elite hypocrisy, and unbearable cognitive dissonance.

    So I guess that “alt-right”, and the rest of “anti-establishment” thing can work on later two.
    The elites, quite effectively, work on the first one.
  166. Rifleman says:
    @Greasy William

    More recently, Allison Wier gives her short but very well written account of one of her brushes with censorship and propaganda.
     
    Paleocons and Leftists continue to use the "if the Tsar only knew" line about Israel and the Palestinians.

    Americans have a pretty good idea about the situation in the middle east, they just don't care. There is no "Zionist" control of the media in Japan, China, India and Russia and the people in those countries don't care either. Even in Hungary, Greece and Latin America where people really hate Jews and love the Palestinians, polls show that the people there want to stay neutral in the conflict.

    It isn't our fault you can't make your fellow goyim care about the Palestinians. Take some responsibility for your own ineptitude.

    Germany itself is a rock, the war can only be won on the periphery.

    For now. But you people are nearly sterile. When the current generation or two are as dead as Helmut Kohl who is going to take over?

    The US will be facing it’s next economic crisis in around 2024 and it will be much worse than the 2008 crisis. I am reasonably optimistic that that will begin the process of the breakup of the US

    Yeah, you and bin Laden.

    The US wont “breakup”. That makes not sense. Our states are just legal districts with some demographic differences. They aren’t nation states like the ones stitched together to form the Soviet Union or even the EU.

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  167. @Marshall Lentini
    Of course it's juvenile. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me about Soviet society, however. You should know I sympathize with the Soviet project, and Marxism itself, as far as its materialist premise, anyway. And I totally reject the facile labelling of what's going on as "communism", which is just ignorance.

    In my view, all of this results from surplus energy, including calories. This wasn't the case under Communism, as Russia has less to work with generally, which kept shit normal.

    No one on the left or right has the will for sacrifice. Everyone wants the entire historical paradigm to change while retaining all the amenities. We've been spoiled by decades of affluence and can't let go.

    I am explicitly anti-freedom. If I had my way, virtually everyone would be under the yoke from day one. I have no interest in rights or parchment; nor do people really need it. Freedom is the whole problem. One way or another, it will disappear as energy supplies diminish.

    Anyone crying about it hasn't understood how we got here.

    One way or another, it will disappear as energy supplies diminish.

    An adherent of the dieoff theory?

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    If we're lucky!

    You know there's a problem when the only way around it is to chirp "nuclear fusion!", as if that solves the (insoluble) collective action problem, rather than pushing it further along -- and starting in 2050, optimistically, so let's remember to account for trend momentum meanwhile.

    So one's adherence at this point is much more a question of psychology than physics.
  168. Bliss says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    Well, there's usually more than one factor at work. Lack of discipline, an extreme mixture of types (even in Europe), cultural chauvinism, and the universal tendency to view phenomenon through the lense of ideology, not materiality. Like Marx. Who was Jewish. And therefore wrong, naturally.

    Heuristic biases don't just go away because we have vast stores of knowledge at our fingertips. Reasoning is still adaptive - i.e. good enough, not complete - for most people. Anything who disagrees is a Nazi or a Jew: simple.

    Even the most cerebral, like Anti-Dem, Zman, or that Fourth Political Position character (all these positions -- it's a kama sutra of political make-believe), are still hung up on this reified specter of "liberalism". Everything must end with ideology because their fallacious starting-point is always ideology. Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος!

    And there is very little real desire to do something. Most of these people would happily yammer about Jews and "Cultural Marxism" for the rest of their lives if left to do so. Do you doubt it?

    On the other hand, right-wing types tend to idealize what human life is about -- IQ, cathedrals, art, the whole blahblahblah of muh western civilization in fetishistic capitals.

    At the end of the day we're just animals: sticking our necks out still isn't part of the program for most. So I don't fault people for being homebodies who don't like risk.

    I myself have very little to lose, so I find the prospect of open tyranny in my lifetime exciting. I welcome a change, even, nay especially, for the worse. Let the mute old statues come down. Let speech be stifled. Let the women fear for their virtue, as if they had any left. Let's try having masters again.

    Above all, let people suffer. It's good for us. It hardens. Only the weak fear being deprived of the nonessential. Only the weak don't like the idea of being tested.

    As for these jokers, these obsessive, sheltered, monomanical alt-right paranoiacs, who are all one-noters by the way, they're as much the latest social excreta of the system as anyone else: you can't expect them to give up their digital security blanket and embrace history, handmaid to none.

    I myself have very little to lose, so I find the prospect of open tyranny in my lifetime exciting. I welcome a change, even, nay especially, for the worse. Let the mute old statues come down. Let speech be stifled. Let the women fear for their virtue, as if they had any left. Let’s try having masters again.

    So why didn’t you migrate to Raqqah, Syria? The Caliph of ISIS offers you all that you claim your heart yearns for.

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  169. @Anatoly Karlin

    One way or another, it will disappear as energy supplies diminish.
     
    An adherent of the dieoff theory?

    If we’re lucky!

    You know there’s a problem when the only way around it is to chirp “nuclear fusion!”, as if that solves the (insoluble) collective action problem, rather than pushing it further along — and starting in 2050, optimistically, so let’s remember to account for trend momentum meanwhile.

    So one’s adherence at this point is much more a question of psychology than physics.

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  170. @Bliss

    I myself have very little to lose, so I find the prospect of open tyranny in my lifetime exciting. I welcome a change, even, nay especially, for the worse. Let the mute old statues come down. Let speech be stifled. Let the women fear for their virtue, as if they had any left. Let’s try having masters again.
     
    So why didn’t you migrate to Raqqah, Syria? The Caliph of ISIS offers you all that you claim your heart yearns for.

    Yea, that sounds practical. Get lost.

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    Yea, that sounds practical. Get lost,
     
    LOL!

    What, too much like "hard work", "suffering", "discipline" for you?
  171. helena says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    You know, you really could have a look at how the peoples under Communism were doing before all that fell apart.
     
    -Surrounded by their own folk
    -Not idling away on the internet eating "hoops"
    -Not stuffing their faces into adult diabetes
    -No "pride" parades

    What am I missing? do you prefer it this way?

    I don't.

    “-Not idling away on the internet eating “hoops” ”

    Sadly, I suffer from an hereditary condition called tallslimmorphism. It’s really debilitating; people have been staring at me all my life. so sometimes I like to duck indoors and have a chat with an old fossil from the deeeeep South.

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    Lol, no idea what you're talking about, but I apologize for my drunken raillery.
  172. @helena
    "-Not idling away on the internet eating “hoops” "

    Sadly, I suffer from an hereditary condition called tallslimmorphism. It's really debilitating; people have been staring at me all my life. so sometimes I like to duck indoors and have a chat with an old fossil from the deeeeep South.

    Lol, no idea what you’re talking about, but I apologize for my drunken raillery.

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  173. Randal says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    Yea, that sounds practical. Get lost.

    Yea, that sounds practical. Get lost,

    LOL!

    What, too much like “hard work”, “suffering”, “discipline” for you?

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    More like they'd skin my extensive, very haram tattooing off. Unless they're fans of certain - shall we say - Vedic iconography now ...
  174. @Randal

    Yea, that sounds practical. Get lost,
     
    LOL!

    What, too much like "hard work", "suffering", "discipline" for you?

    More like they’d skin my extensive, very haram tattooing off. Unless they’re fans of certain – shall we say – Vedic iconography now …

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    Ah, the consequences of foolishness and short-sightedness in youth.

    Well with enough hard work, discipline and suffering, all such obstacles can be overcome. Tattoo removal, or inking over would I'm sure solve the problem.

    Otherwise, doubtless the North Koreans would take you, if necessary.

    Is it just that you need the "masters" you advocate for everyone else, to make you actually do it? If they won't come to you, just travel to the tyranny you crave, yourself.

  175. Randal says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    More like they'd skin my extensive, very haram tattooing off. Unless they're fans of certain - shall we say - Vedic iconography now ...

    Ah, the consequences of foolishness and short-sightedness in youth.

    Well with enough hard work, discipline and suffering, all such obstacles can be overcome. Tattoo removal, or inking over would I’m sure solve the problem.

    Otherwise, doubtless the North Koreans would take you, if necessary.

    Is it just that you need the “masters” you advocate for everyone else, to make you actually do it? If they won’t come to you, just travel to the tyranny you crave, yourself.

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    Do you think you're the first wise-ass to dodge what I'm saying with derisive ad hominem drawn from some irrelevant personal detail I gave out?

    Or let's put your already conveniently low opinion of me aside for a moment: can you disprove anything I've said?

    But wait, nevermind. I'd rather go have coffee than deal with the same old wishful thinking and political romanticism masquerading as thought. Ciao, frate.
  176. @Randal
    Ah, the consequences of foolishness and short-sightedness in youth.

    Well with enough hard work, discipline and suffering, all such obstacles can be overcome. Tattoo removal, or inking over would I'm sure solve the problem.

    Otherwise, doubtless the North Koreans would take you, if necessary.

    Is it just that you need the "masters" you advocate for everyone else, to make you actually do it? If they won't come to you, just travel to the tyranny you crave, yourself.

    Do you think you’re the first wise-ass to dodge what I’m saying with derisive ad hominem drawn from some irrelevant personal detail I gave out?

    Or let’s put your already conveniently low opinion of me aside for a moment: can you disprove anything I’ve said?

    But wait, nevermind. I’d rather go have coffee than deal with the same old wishful thinking and political romanticism masquerading as thought. Ciao, frate.

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    Far from dodging, that was actually confronting it head on. You just don't like to have it pointed out to you.

    Or let’s put your already conveniently low opinion of me aside for a moment:
     
    I don't have a low opinion of you. I do think you wrote a load of deliberately provocative nihilistic crap rationalised by pseudo-Marxist handwaving bullshit further up, but we all write crap from time to time. Most of it includes insightful truths, of course, and yours is no exception.

    But don't be provocative and then get all hurt when someone responds appropriately.
  177. helena says:
    @Randal

    Like this?

    Dissident Right is of the Alternative Right vanguard
     
    No, no capitals.

    As with alt right, anyone can call himself dissident right.

    The only way to gain ground politically and without violence is verbally. Far from seeking obtuseness or obscurity, those who disagree with the left must follow the left’s lead in creating catchy labels. And whenever the left successfully tags a label with racism, new labels should emerge to replace the tarnished ones.
     
    The problem with that is that all you do is confirm the taboo and waste all your time picking your words ever more carefully to avoid crossing the bounds of the moving definition of what is verboten and then apologising when you get caught out or even just accused, and dissociating yourself from former allies who are accused or who cross the bounds of the permitted.

    In the end, the taboo has to be defied, discredited and broken and doubtless will be. That's how the taboos and blasphemy laws protecting Christianity were defied and ultimately broken in post-Enlightenment Europe.

    Of course, a lot of people suffered along the way, and I'm not saying it was necessarily a good thing, all things considered. But it did happen.

    I understand what you are saying but I’ve always been of the opinion that the battle could have been won by abandoning certain trigger words and symbols. I’ve been fascinated reading the endless debates about ww2 but I can’t find any rationale for perpetuating the symbols.
    Europeans need a new symbol, one that represents diversity European-style, a fiesta of multi-cultures across the globe.

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    Symbols aren't going to change anything, because symbols don't create societies -- technology does.

    There is no magic formula that will suddenly break the spell white people are supposedly under. Not how civilization works, and a confusion of cause and effect.

    "In hoc signo vinces" would have been utterly meaningless without significant pressure from various strata of Roman society.

    And anyhow, the masses have found their formula: love trumps hate. Precisely what millions of well-fed herd animals would be expected to believe.
    , @Randal

    I’ve always been of the opinion that the battle could have been won by abandoning certain trigger words and symbols. I’ve been fascinated reading the endless debates about ww2 but I can’t find any rationale for perpetuating the symbols.
     
    The symbols are perpetuated mostly because they are taboo-breaching, which people dissatisfied with the status quo tend to find appealing. Which of course plays into the hands of those who find the symbols useful for keeping their identity lobby vote-fodder in line and coughing up funding, and for justifying ever-increased special powers and privileges.

    You can never, ever, eradicate the symbols because the more you demonise and suppress them, the more attractive they are as a sign of rebellion. So the only solution is to accept them as just part of the range of political discourse, as has happened with the leftist extremes.

    Things are feeling ever more like the runup to the Spanish Civil War, with the left getting ever more triumphalist, its foot-soldiers ever more aggressive and hate-filled as a result of the dogmas of hate and resentment used by the movement's leaders to gain and motivate political support. The result will be the provocation of organisation on the right in self-defence and the alienation of ordinary people to the far right, who are the only people actually fighting back.

    When decent folk are confronted with the proposition of the actual triumph of the leftist thugs and all the violent abuses they perpetrate, many of them will turn to authority that they would previously never have considered acceptable, whether military or far right. The result is a war and either leftist victory as in the Soviet Union or a defeat of the radicals as in Spain.

    If it comes to that, anybody decent should pray for Franco rather than Stalin as the outcome.

  178. Randal says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    Do you think you're the first wise-ass to dodge what I'm saying with derisive ad hominem drawn from some irrelevant personal detail I gave out?

    Or let's put your already conveniently low opinion of me aside for a moment: can you disprove anything I've said?

    But wait, nevermind. I'd rather go have coffee than deal with the same old wishful thinking and political romanticism masquerading as thought. Ciao, frate.

    Far from dodging, that was actually confronting it head on. You just don’t like to have it pointed out to you.

    Or let’s put your already conveniently low opinion of me aside for a moment:

    I don’t have a low opinion of you. I do think you wrote a load of deliberately provocative nihilistic crap rationalised by pseudo-Marxist handwaving bullshit further up, but we all write crap from time to time. Most of it includes insightful truths, of course, and yours is no exception.

    But don’t be provocative and then get all hurt when someone responds appropriately.

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    I'm not hurt, I just no longer have the energy for simple-minded proponents of egalitarianism as a relevant principle. Or for this "derp derp blackpill derp derp" dismissiveness, which itself is a threat response. Now if you don't like what I say -- ignore me.
  179. @helena
    I understand what you are saying but I've always been of the opinion that the battle could have been won by abandoning certain trigger words and symbols. I've been fascinated reading the endless debates about ww2 but I can't find any rationale for perpetuating the symbols.
    Europeans need a new symbol, one that represents diversity European-style, a fiesta of multi-cultures across the globe.

    Symbols aren’t going to change anything, because symbols don’t create societies — technology does.

    There is no magic formula that will suddenly break the spell white people are supposedly under. Not how civilization works, and a confusion of cause and effect.

    “In hoc signo vinces” would have been utterly meaningless without significant pressure from various strata of Roman society.

    And anyhow, the masses have found their formula: love trumps hate. Precisely what millions of well-fed herd animals would be expected to believe.

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  180. @Randal
    Far from dodging, that was actually confronting it head on. You just don't like to have it pointed out to you.

    Or let’s put your already conveniently low opinion of me aside for a moment:
     
    I don't have a low opinion of you. I do think you wrote a load of deliberately provocative nihilistic crap rationalised by pseudo-Marxist handwaving bullshit further up, but we all write crap from time to time. Most of it includes insightful truths, of course, and yours is no exception.

    But don't be provocative and then get all hurt when someone responds appropriately.

    I’m not hurt, I just no longer have the energy for simple-minded proponents of egalitarianism as a relevant principle. Or for this “derp derp blackpill derp derp” dismissiveness, which itself is a threat response. Now if you don’t like what I say — ignore me.

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    Hmmmm....

    Super edgy. You’re obviously going to win the war of ideology if you keep being so clever.
     
    , @jacques sheete

    I’m not hurt, I just no longer have the energy for simple-minded proponents of egalitarianism as a relevant principle. Or for this “derp derp blackpill derp derp” dismissiveness, which itself is a threat response.
     
    Is dismissiveness in general a threat response or is it only the “derp derp blackpill derp derp” variety, or what?
  181. Randal says:
    @helena
    I understand what you are saying but I've always been of the opinion that the battle could have been won by abandoning certain trigger words and symbols. I've been fascinated reading the endless debates about ww2 but I can't find any rationale for perpetuating the symbols.
    Europeans need a new symbol, one that represents diversity European-style, a fiesta of multi-cultures across the globe.

    I’ve always been of the opinion that the battle could have been won by abandoning certain trigger words and symbols. I’ve been fascinated reading the endless debates about ww2 but I can’t find any rationale for perpetuating the symbols.

    The symbols are perpetuated mostly because they are taboo-breaching, which people dissatisfied with the status quo tend to find appealing. Which of course plays into the hands of those who find the symbols useful for keeping their identity lobby vote-fodder in line and coughing up funding, and for justifying ever-increased special powers and privileges.

    You can never, ever, eradicate the symbols because the more you demonise and suppress them, the more attractive they are as a sign of rebellion. So the only solution is to accept them as just part of the range of political discourse, as has happened with the leftist extremes.

    Things are feeling ever more like the runup to the Spanish Civil War, with the left getting ever more triumphalist, its foot-soldiers ever more aggressive and hate-filled as a result of the dogmas of hate and resentment used by the movement’s leaders to gain and motivate political support. The result will be the provocation of organisation on the right in self-defence and the alienation of ordinary people to the far right, who are the only people actually fighting back.

    When decent folk are confronted with the proposition of the actual triumph of the leftist thugs and all the violent abuses they perpetrate, many of them will turn to authority that they would previously never have considered acceptable, whether military or far right. The result is a war and either leftist victory as in the Soviet Union or a defeat of the radicals as in Spain.

    If it comes to that, anybody decent should pray for Franco rather than Stalin as the outcome.

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    anybody decent

    There you go again, labeling people as evil based upon your political take.
    , @peterAUS

    The result will be the provocation of organisation on the right in self-defence and the alienation of ordinary people to the far right, who are the only people actually fighting back.
     
    Agree.
    Maybe something can be learnt from Northern Ireland experience?
  182. iffen says:
    @Randal

    I’ve always been of the opinion that the battle could have been won by abandoning certain trigger words and symbols. I’ve been fascinated reading the endless debates about ww2 but I can’t find any rationale for perpetuating the symbols.
     
    The symbols are perpetuated mostly because they are taboo-breaching, which people dissatisfied with the status quo tend to find appealing. Which of course plays into the hands of those who find the symbols useful for keeping their identity lobby vote-fodder in line and coughing up funding, and for justifying ever-increased special powers and privileges.

    You can never, ever, eradicate the symbols because the more you demonise and suppress them, the more attractive they are as a sign of rebellion. So the only solution is to accept them as just part of the range of political discourse, as has happened with the leftist extremes.

    Things are feeling ever more like the runup to the Spanish Civil War, with the left getting ever more triumphalist, its foot-soldiers ever more aggressive and hate-filled as a result of the dogmas of hate and resentment used by the movement's leaders to gain and motivate political support. The result will be the provocation of organisation on the right in self-defence and the alienation of ordinary people to the far right, who are the only people actually fighting back.

    When decent folk are confronted with the proposition of the actual triumph of the leftist thugs and all the violent abuses they perpetrate, many of them will turn to authority that they would previously never have considered acceptable, whether military or far right. The result is a war and either leftist victory as in the Soviet Union or a defeat of the radicals as in Spain.

    If it comes to that, anybody decent should pray for Franco rather than Stalin as the outcome.

    anybody decent

    There you go again, labeling people as evil based upon your political take.

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    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
    I caught that too. The guy's a bad faith tw*t. Literally says nothing I didn't say as far as the inevitability of tyranny; just wanted to take a shot because I go further and call it desirable. But it's only decent if he sets the values.
    , @Anon
    People who burn churches are indecent. You disagree?
  183. @iffen
    anybody decent

    There you go again, labeling people as evil based upon your political take.

    I caught that too. The guy’s a bad faith tw*t. Literally says nothing I didn’t say as far as the inevitability of tyranny; just wanted to take a shot because I go further and call it desirable. But it’s only decent if he sets the values.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    The guy’s a bad faith tw*t. Literally says nothing I didn’t say as far as the inevitability of tyranny; just wanted to take a shot because I go further and call it desirable.
     
    So who isn't a bad faith tw*t?

    As far as saying anything, I don't detect a lot of substance in your comment. I do agree that tyranny is inevitable and I'd like to go a step further than you and call it desirable but only if I'm the tyrant.


    But it’s only decent if he sets the values.

     

    Duh. Deep, man! Do you have beard too? Forget edgy; stick to trying to cue profound. Tsk, tsk. ;)
  184. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @iffen
    anybody decent

    There you go again, labeling people as evil based upon your political take.

    People who burn churches are indecent. You disagree?

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    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
    I don't care about churches personally. Wrong guy to ask. Fetishism about the past is just so much energy whiteskins habitually direct away from the future. Burn it all, I say. Cue the "wow edgy bro" posturing.
  185. @Marshall Lentini
    I'm not hurt, I just no longer have the energy for simple-minded proponents of egalitarianism as a relevant principle. Or for this "derp derp blackpill derp derp" dismissiveness, which itself is a threat response. Now if you don't like what I say -- ignore me.

    Hmmmm….

    Super edgy. You’re obviously going to win the war of ideology if you keep being so clever.

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  186. @Anon
    People who burn churches are indecent. You disagree?

    I don’t care about churches personally. Wrong guy to ask. Fetishism about the past is just so much energy whiteskins habitually direct away from the future. Burn it all, I say. Cue the “wow edgy bro” posturing.

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    • Replies: @helena
    "I don’t care about churches personally. Wrong guy to ask. Fetishism about the past is just so much energy whiteskins habitually direct away from the future. Burn it all, I say."

    er, hum...

    "Symbols aren’t going to change anything, because symbols don’t create societies — technology does."


    Ever built a church?
    , @Anon

    Wrong guy to ask.
     
    Well, as a matter of fact I didn't ask you... :)

    Cue the “wow edgy bro” posturing.
     
    No, I think you've got that covered. :)
  187. @Marshall Lentini
    I'm not hurt, I just no longer have the energy for simple-minded proponents of egalitarianism as a relevant principle. Or for this "derp derp blackpill derp derp" dismissiveness, which itself is a threat response. Now if you don't like what I say -- ignore me.

    I’m not hurt, I just no longer have the energy for simple-minded proponents of egalitarianism as a relevant principle. Or for this “derp derp blackpill derp derp” dismissiveness, which itself is a threat response.

    Is dismissiveness in general a threat response or is it only the “derp derp blackpill derp derp” variety, or what?

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  188. @jacques sheete

    I’m not hurt, I just no longer have the energy for simple-minded proponents of egalitarianism as a relevant principle. Or for this “derp derp blackpill derp derp” dismissiveness, which itself is a threat response.
     
    Is dismissiveness in general a threat response or is it only the “derp derp blackpill derp derp” variety, or what?

    Sometimes both, always the latter. Cheers.

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  189. @Marshall Lentini
    I caught that too. The guy's a bad faith tw*t. Literally says nothing I didn't say as far as the inevitability of tyranny; just wanted to take a shot because I go further and call it desirable. But it's only decent if he sets the values.

    The guy’s a bad faith tw*t. Literally says nothing I didn’t say as far as the inevitability of tyranny; just wanted to take a shot because I go further and call it desirable.

    So who isn’t a bad faith tw*t?

    As far as saying anything, I don’t detect a lot of substance in your comment. I do agree that tyranny is inevitable and I’d like to go a step further than you and call it desirable but only if I’m the tyrant.

    But it’s only decent if he sets the values.

    Duh. Deep, man! Do you have beard too? Forget edgy; stick to trying to cue profound. Tsk, tsk. ;)

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  190. For I think it is always the case that inferior musicians, though they annoy their audiences, give very great pleasure to themselves

    - Julian the Apostate, on the songs of the early Germans. As quoted from his Misopogon.

    Something tells me the same can be accurately stated about modern day philosophasters…

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  191. Let’s hope you’ve exhausted yourself following the train of your deeply philosophical snark from mentioning beards to the Misopogon.

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    Let’s hope you’ve exhausted yourself following the train of your deeply philosophical snark from mentioning beards to the Misopogon.
     
    Weak, man. Really weak.

    PS: You should know that there is no hope. No? ;)
  192. helena says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    I don't care about churches personally. Wrong guy to ask. Fetishism about the past is just so much energy whiteskins habitually direct away from the future. Burn it all, I say. Cue the "wow edgy bro" posturing.

    “I don’t care about churches personally. Wrong guy to ask. Fetishism about the past is just so much energy whiteskins habitually direct away from the future. Burn it all, I say.”

    er, hum…

    “Symbols aren’t going to change anything, because symbols don’t create societies — technology does.”

    Ever built a church?

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  193. @Marshall Lentini
    Let's hope you've exhausted yourself following the train of your deeply philosophical snark from mentioning beards to the Misopogon.

    Let’s hope you’ve exhausted yourself following the train of your deeply philosophical snark from mentioning beards to the Misopogon.

    Weak, man. Really weak.

    PS: You should know that there is no hope. No? ;)

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  194. peterAUS says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    Well, there's usually more than one factor at work. Lack of discipline, an extreme mixture of types (even in Europe), cultural chauvinism, and the universal tendency to view phenomenon through the lense of ideology, not materiality. Like Marx. Who was Jewish. And therefore wrong, naturally.

    Heuristic biases don't just go away because we have vast stores of knowledge at our fingertips. Reasoning is still adaptive - i.e. good enough, not complete - for most people. Anything who disagrees is a Nazi or a Jew: simple.

    Even the most cerebral, like Anti-Dem, Zman, or that Fourth Political Position character (all these positions -- it's a kama sutra of political make-believe), are still hung up on this reified specter of "liberalism". Everything must end with ideology because their fallacious starting-point is always ideology. Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος!

    And there is very little real desire to do something. Most of these people would happily yammer about Jews and "Cultural Marxism" for the rest of their lives if left to do so. Do you doubt it?

    On the other hand, right-wing types tend to idealize what human life is about -- IQ, cathedrals, art, the whole blahblahblah of muh western civilization in fetishistic capitals.

    At the end of the day we're just animals: sticking our necks out still isn't part of the program for most. So I don't fault people for being homebodies who don't like risk.

    I myself have very little to lose, so I find the prospect of open tyranny in my lifetime exciting. I welcome a change, even, nay especially, for the worse. Let the mute old statues come down. Let speech be stifled. Let the women fear for their virtue, as if they had any left. Let's try having masters again.

    Above all, let people suffer. It's good for us. It hardens. Only the weak fear being deprived of the nonessential. Only the weak don't like the idea of being tested.

    As for these jokers, these obsessive, sheltered, monomanical alt-right paranoiacs, who are all one-noters by the way, they're as much the latest social excreta of the system as anyone else: you can't expect them to give up their digital security blanket and embrace history, handmaid to none.

    Thoughtful post.
    Tend to agree with a lot of it, but not with all of it.
    There is a sort of “magic” in human behavior, especially when dealing with tyranny.
    Example:
    A mass of people, sheeple really, just taking the s**t->some perceptive souls rebelling against it every now and then and paying a heavy price for it->and it goes on……->until one day, one hour actually, the same sheeple, the same system, the same setup for another s**t eating self-debasing session, and….a man yelled something and somehow, all the setup changed. Almost as, in a couple of minutes, change of consciousness happened, not only of the sheeple, but everyone there. Tens of thousands of people.

    What made that change possible IS The QUESTION.

    My theory: combination of hardship, elite hypocrisy, and unbearable cognitive dissonance.

    So I guess that “alt-right”, and the rest of “anti-establishment” thing can work on later two.
    The elites, quite effectively, work on the first one.

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    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
    Look, I'm not interested in populist happy endings, pretending that former conditions have relevance in our own, and least of all in swatting at smug little flies like those above.

    This is much, much bigger than what's going on in the besotted minds of the white proletariat. The world simply does not revolve around us. The bubble hast burst.

    Anyway, I've said my piece. The right is as dead as it was seventy years ago, the whole thing was a bad investment, and the smart money is in getting away from it as soon as possible.

    I don't know how old you are, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for "changing consciousness" while we run out of phosphate rock and Nigeria bloats like a tick.

    Everyone underestimates the greater bad because they're afraid of it. Anyone who contradicts the going terms of denial is mocked out of court. It's been this way forever. The mob believe in their illusions until something big sweeps it all away.

    And I really don't care. I just regret I wasted so much time, even ten minutes, on this thing.

    Anyhow, we'll see who was right in a few years. It is an entirely morbid question how long it takes for everyone's optimism to be defeated by events.

    Bud' sdorov!
  195. peterAUS says:
    @Randal

    I’ve always been of the opinion that the battle could have been won by abandoning certain trigger words and symbols. I’ve been fascinated reading the endless debates about ww2 but I can’t find any rationale for perpetuating the symbols.
     
    The symbols are perpetuated mostly because they are taboo-breaching, which people dissatisfied with the status quo tend to find appealing. Which of course plays into the hands of those who find the symbols useful for keeping their identity lobby vote-fodder in line and coughing up funding, and for justifying ever-increased special powers and privileges.

    You can never, ever, eradicate the symbols because the more you demonise and suppress them, the more attractive they are as a sign of rebellion. So the only solution is to accept them as just part of the range of political discourse, as has happened with the leftist extremes.

    Things are feeling ever more like the runup to the Spanish Civil War, with the left getting ever more triumphalist, its foot-soldiers ever more aggressive and hate-filled as a result of the dogmas of hate and resentment used by the movement's leaders to gain and motivate political support. The result will be the provocation of organisation on the right in self-defence and the alienation of ordinary people to the far right, who are the only people actually fighting back.

    When decent folk are confronted with the proposition of the actual triumph of the leftist thugs and all the violent abuses they perpetrate, many of them will turn to authority that they would previously never have considered acceptable, whether military or far right. The result is a war and either leftist victory as in the Soviet Union or a defeat of the radicals as in Spain.

    If it comes to that, anybody decent should pray for Franco rather than Stalin as the outcome.

    The result will be the provocation of organisation on the right in self-defence and the alienation of ordinary people to the far right, who are the only people actually fighting back.

    Agree.
    Maybe something can be learnt from Northern Ireland experience?

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  196. @peterAUS
    Thoughtful post.
    Tend to agree with a lot of it, but not with all of it.
    There is a sort of “magic” in human behavior, especially when dealing with tyranny.
    Example:
    A mass of people, sheeple really, just taking the s**t->some perceptive souls rebelling against it every now and then and paying a heavy price for it->and it goes on……->until one day, one hour actually, the same sheeple, the same system, the same setup for another s**t eating self-debasing session, and….a man yelled something and somehow, all the setup changed. Almost as, in a couple of minutes, change of consciousness happened, not only of the sheeple, but everyone there. Tens of thousands of people.

    What made that change possible IS The QUESTION.

    My theory: combination of hardship, elite hypocrisy, and unbearable cognitive dissonance.

    So I guess that “alt-right”, and the rest of “anti-establishment” thing can work on later two.
    The elites, quite effectively, work on the first one.

    Look, I’m not interested in populist happy endings, pretending that former conditions have relevance in our own, and least of all in swatting at smug little flies like those above.

    This is much, much bigger than what’s going on in the besotted minds of the white proletariat. The world simply does not revolve around us. The bubble hast burst.

    Anyway, I’ve said my piece. The right is as dead as it was seventy years ago, the whole thing was a bad investment, and the smart money is in getting away from it as soon as possible.

    I don’t know how old you are, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for “changing consciousness” while we run out of phosphate rock and Nigeria bloats like a tick.

    Everyone underestimates the greater bad because they’re afraid of it. Anyone who contradicts the going terms of denial is mocked out of court. It’s been this way forever. The mob believe in their illusions until something big sweeps it all away.

    And I really don’t care. I just regret I wasted so much time, even ten minutes, on this thing.

    Anyhow, we’ll see who was right in a few years. It is an entirely morbid question how long it takes for everyone’s optimism to be defeated by events.

    Bud’ sdorov!

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    OK.

    Everyone underestimates the greater bad because they’re afraid of it.
     
    What would be that "greater bad"?
  197. peterAUS says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    Look, I'm not interested in populist happy endings, pretending that former conditions have relevance in our own, and least of all in swatting at smug little flies like those above.

    This is much, much bigger than what's going on in the besotted minds of the white proletariat. The world simply does not revolve around us. The bubble hast burst.

    Anyway, I've said my piece. The right is as dead as it was seventy years ago, the whole thing was a bad investment, and the smart money is in getting away from it as soon as possible.

    I don't know how old you are, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for "changing consciousness" while we run out of phosphate rock and Nigeria bloats like a tick.

    Everyone underestimates the greater bad because they're afraid of it. Anyone who contradicts the going terms of denial is mocked out of court. It's been this way forever. The mob believe in their illusions until something big sweeps it all away.

    And I really don't care. I just regret I wasted so much time, even ten minutes, on this thing.

    Anyhow, we'll see who was right in a few years. It is an entirely morbid question how long it takes for everyone's optimism to be defeated by events.

    Bud' sdorov!

    OK.

    Everyone underestimates the greater bad because they’re afraid of it.

    What would be that “greater bad”?

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  198. notanon says:
    @Priss Factor
    Account from a girl who was there:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5ZIBBzI-g

    bambi-chan’s fashy younger sister

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  199. https://ourfiniteworld.com/2014/01/29/a-forecast-of-our-energy-future-why-common-solutions-dont-work

    I urge you to read all of that, if any of it is new to you.

    Worrying about the future of white nationalism, or white people as a taxon, is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in a world of -10:1 EROEI.

    We’re currently at 12:1.

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    • Replies: @peterAUS
    You appear to be of inquisitive nature.

    In my (former) trade (retired from that, but keeping in touch, of course) we were often put into position of the OTHER.
    Say, we attack they defend (just a “paper/simulator” exercise). Then, we switch.
    Also, when studying historical examples (and it’s standard learning method) you get put into certain “character”. Again, you play the character, other guys play other characters. Switch. Helps learning process a lot.
    Now, I do get that Western alt-right don’t do that. I believe it’s a deep error, but, then, free will…..
    We, from my former trade, do know that victory doesn’t go to the just or right but competent (and a bit lucky). So, alt-right can be absolutely correct and have total ownership of high moral ground…and still badly lose.
    Gauls and Ceasar, and thousands similar examples through the history attest to that.
    Anyway, as an exercise, this is how a Communist dissident, a nationalist from, say, Slovakia could’ve spoken to a fellow Slovak in 1986:

    Look, I’m not interested in nationalist happy endings, pretending that former conditions have relevance in our own.
    This is much, much bigger than what’s going on in the besotted minds of the Slovak nationalists. The world simply does not revolve around us. The bubble hast burst.
    Anyway, I’ve said my piece. The national movement is as dead as it was forty years ago, the whole thing was a bad investment, and the smart money is in getting away from it as soon as possible.
    I don’t know how old you are, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for “changing consciousness” while we have Russian troops and KGB here.
    The mob believes in their illusions.
    And I really don’t care. I just regret I wasted so much time, even ten minutes, on this thing.
    Anyhow, we’ll see who was right in a few years. It is an entirely morbid question how long it takes for everyone’s optimism to be defeated by events.
    Bud’ sdorov!
  200. peterAUS says:
    @Marshall Lentini
    https://ourfiniteworld.com/2014/01/29/a-forecast-of-our-energy-future-why-common-solutions-dont-work

    I urge you to read all of that, if any of it is new to you.

    Worrying about the future of white nationalism, or white people as a taxon, is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in a world of -10:1 EROEI.

    We're currently at 12:1.

    You appear to be of inquisitive nature.

    In my (former) trade (retired from that, but keeping in touch, of course) we were often put into position of the OTHER.
    Say, we attack they defend (just a “paper/simulator” exercise). Then, we switch.
    Also, when studying historical examples (and it’s standard learning method) you get put into certain “character”. Again, you play the character, other guys play other characters. Switch. Helps learning process a lot.
    Now, I do get that Western alt-right don’t do that. I believe it’s a deep error, but, then, free will…..
    We, from my former trade, do know that victory doesn’t go to the just or right but competent (and a bit lucky). So, alt-right can be absolutely correct and have total ownership of high moral ground…and still badly lose.
    Gauls and Ceasar, and thousands similar examples through the history attest to that.
    Anyway, as an exercise, this is how a Communist dissident, a nationalist from, say, Slovakia could’ve spoken to a fellow Slovak in 1986:

    Look, I’m not interested in nationalist happy endings, pretending that former conditions have relevance in our own.
    This is much, much bigger than what’s going on in the besotted minds of the Slovak nationalists. The world simply does not revolve around us. The bubble hast burst.
    Anyway, I’ve said my piece. The national movement is as dead as it was forty years ago, the whole thing was a bad investment, and the smart money is in getting away from it as soon as possible.
    I don’t know how old you are, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for “changing consciousness” while we have Russian troops and KGB here.
    The mob believes in their illusions.
    And I really don’t care. I just regret I wasted so much time, even ten minutes, on this thing.
    Anyhow, we’ll see who was right in a few years. It is an entirely morbid question how long it takes for everyone’s optimism to be defeated by events.
    Bud’ sdorov!

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  201. Kevin C. says:
    @iffen
    We cannot allow this.

    At this point, I don't see a lot of good options, and I don't see them being stopped any time soon.

    At this point, I don’t see a lot of good options

    Because there aren’t any.

    I don’t see them being stopped any time soon.

    Me neither.

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    nah

    the whole point of this media incited pogrom is the media have been losing the meme war

    and if the good goys need to create a samizdat internet to carry on with it then they will
    , @iffen
    Because there aren’t any.

    Sailer's citizenism, an American nationalism, could work. I don't see how you get there from here.

    If Trumpism was a political entity rather than just one person one could have hope.

    There are all sorts of ideals just lying on the ground that could be picked up and used to unify people of good will. We could have a James Madison Society dedicated to the 1st Amendment and pretty much have the field to ourselves. Free speech being a tool, you would have to come up with a unifying vision of what it is you want to build with that tool.

  202. notanon says:
    @Kevin C.

    At this point, I don’t see a lot of good options
     
    Because there aren't any.

    I don’t see them being stopped any time soon.
     
    Me neither.

    nah

    the whole point of this media incited pogrom is the media have been losing the meme war

    and if the good goys need to create a samizdat internet to carry on with it then they will

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.

    and if the good goys need to create a samizdat internet to carry on with it then they will
     
    And what does carrying on on the internet, openly or "samizdat" accomplish? NOTHING. Because we still live — and die — in meatspace. "Meme war" is mostly nonsense, as is the whole idea that we just need to convince enough ordinary folks to side with us. Because so what if the majority is on our side? Voting doesn't change anything. As "Antidem" put it in a review of Trump's half year in office:

    So six months into his time in office, what do we have? We have a presidency under siege from the actual centers of power (Call them what you like: the Establishment, the Globalists, the Cathedral, the Deep State – either way, they comprise the entrenched bureaucracy, the courts, the media, and big money interests) who thought that they had adequately made the point about elected leaders defying them back when they hounded Richard Nixon out of office. Whether they can actually remove Trump from office, or even defeat him in re-election, is a secondary concern; if they can merely bog him down in having to defend himself against their endless attacks such that he has no time or energy left to accomplish much of anything productive, they will have achieved their objectives. In this, they have the collusion of the Congress – both parties, in both houses. The members of this august body are, as a rule, easily spooked and easily bought off (either by one of the many forms of bribery that Congress has left technically legal for its members to enjoy, or in the form of positive media coverage and other intangibles). That this is not true of all of them is beside the point. It doesn’t need to be all of them, it just needs to be enough of them, which it reliably is.

    Ask yourself a question: If this system, while under the complete control of the putative “right”, is unable even to repeal Obamacare – a deeply unpopular and plainly dysfunctional program that is quickly collapsing under its own weight and which the now-ruling party promised to repeal within its first week in power – in half a year of trying, what could possibly make you think it will ever be able to deal with the larger issues, both social and economic, that plague our society? What makes you think it will ever ban abortion, or repeal gay “marriage”, or arrest the slow banishment of the Christian faith from the public square, or effectively stop the immivasion that promises to soon make the founding stock of this nation a minority in its own lands, or bring any restraint whatsoever to the out-of-control welfare state, or get our nation out of the empire business, or end the Fed, or wrangle our astronomical national debt under control? And yes, maybe Congress will eventually get around to some weak-tea repeal of Obamacare and its replacement with a slightly less obnoxious and ramshackle state program. After all the compromises and backroom dealing that will have to go into getting the true centers of power to allow it to pass, can anyone believe that it will really do what we want it to – deliver us good healthcare at affordable prices?
     
    No matter how much we may outnumber them, the elites will still get their way.
  203. notanon says:
    @Bliss
    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.

    Here is the source for my 4% figure:

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543957964/poll-majority-believe-trump-s-response-to-charlottesville-hasn-t-been-strong-eno

    Only 4% of americans “mostly agree” with white nationalists. While 73% “mostly disagree”.

    Alt-right has become an umbrella term for white racists.

    genetics is true and the Boassian blank slate is a cultural Marxist lie invented to change US immigration policy.

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  204. iffen says:
    @Kevin C.

    At this point, I don’t see a lot of good options
     
    Because there aren't any.

    I don’t see them being stopped any time soon.
     
    Me neither.

    Because there aren’t any.

    Sailer’s citizenism, an American nationalism, could work. I don’t see how you get there from here.

    If Trumpism was a political entity rather than just one person one could have hope.

    There are all sorts of ideals just lying on the ground that could be picked up and used to unify people of good will. We could have a James Madison Society dedicated to the 1st Amendment and pretty much have the field to ourselves. Free speech being a tool, you would have to come up with a unifying vision of what it is you want to build with that tool.

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    There are all sorts of ideals just lying on the ground that could be picked up and used to unify people of good will.
     
    Except "unifying people of good will" accomplishes jack squat. Iron Law of Oligarchy: only elites, and rival proto-elites, matter. The masses are so much pawns and window-dressing for the games of the elites. True "peasant revolts" have never amounted to much of anything, and never will. It doesn't matter how many "people of good will" we unify, or what ideals we unify them with; so long as the elites are all against us, they win, we lose.
  205. Anyway, as an exercise, this is how a Communist dissident, a nationalist from, say, Slovakia could’ve spoken to a fellow Slovak in 1986:

    Ok, have it your way. Salvation is just around the corner; commence pranayama.

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    Ok, have it your way. Salvation is just around the corner
     
    Well, my points were "learning from OTHER" and "you never know".

    That previous example was sort of, good for "alt-right".

    I have another not so good.
    Also from those "untermench".......

    Islam was, effectively, purged from Balkans in
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars
    Finished.
    No way it could come back.
    Ever.

    Now....if one is to look at parts with "Bosniaks" majority in Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina.....
    Took them, what, around 80 years.

    I do concede that "salvation" is of low probability though.

    In order for things to start...moving.........true suffering is required.
    That's something unknown to majority of "alt-right" in West, USA in particular.

    And carefully managed consumer society is rather good in preventing that.
  206. peterAUS says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    Anyway, as an exercise, this is how a Communist dissident, a nationalist from, say, Slovakia could’ve spoken to a fellow Slovak in 1986:
     
    Ok, have it your way. Salvation is just around the corner; commence pranayama.

    Ok, have it your way. Salvation is just around the corner

    Well, my points were “learning from OTHER” and “you never know”.

    That previous example was sort of, good for “alt-right”.

    I have another not so good.
    Also from those “untermench”…….

    Islam was, effectively, purged from Balkans in

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars

    Finished.
    No way it could come back.
    Ever.

    Now….if one is to look at parts with “Bosniaks” majority in Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina…..
    Took them, what, around 80 years.

    I do concede that “salvation” is of low probability though.

    In order for things to start…moving………true suffering is required.
    That’s something unknown to majority of “alt-right” in West, USA in particular.

    And carefully managed consumer society is rather good in preventing that.

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  207. Vinteuil says:
    @jacques sheete

    For I think it is always the case that inferior musicians, though they annoy their audiences, give very great pleasure to themselves

    - Julian the Apostate, on the songs of the early Germans. As quoted from his Misopogon.
     
    Something tells me the same can be accurately stated about modern day philosophasters...

    Jacques sheete – who are you, really?

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  208. iffen says:

    We sure could use a man like Walter Cronkite. The opportunity to show how the MSM failed in its coverage of Charlottesville is slipping away.

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    • Replies: @notanon
    the opportunity was successfully seized
    , @anarchyst
    Walter Cronkite was a POS who LIED about American military effectiveness during the Vietnam TET offensive.
    He was dishonest in much of his other "reporting", especially the (un)reported violence perpetrated by the so-called "civil-rights" marchers and their New York-based "handlers.".
    Add to that, the embellishment of the stories about the "civil-rights" icons of the day.
    No, Walter Cronkite was a symptom of what was (and still is) wrong with the so-called "mainstream media".
    TRUTH has never been a part of the equation. "Never letting a crisis go to waste" has ALWAYS been a part of the mainstream media's agenda...
  209. notanon says:
    @iffen
    We sure could use a man like Walter Cronkite. The opportunity to show how the MSM failed in its coverage of Charlottesville is slipping away.

    the opportunity was successfully seized

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    the opportunity was successfully seized

    Not until Terry McAuliffe and others are under investigation for criminally negligent manslaughter, then you can say that it was successfully seized, not before.
  210. iffen says:
    @notanon
    the opportunity was successfully seized

    the opportunity was successfully seized

    Not until Terry McAuliffe and others are under investigation for criminally negligent manslaughter, then you can say that it was successfully seized, not before.

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    • Replies: @notanon
    you have a point - the great shuttening happening now is a response to the media's Cville narrative being blunted imo but that's not the same as being overturned completely and reversed.

    to claim a victory rather than a draw McAuliffe and the mayor would need to have been arrested.
  211. anarchyst says:
    @iffen
    We sure could use a man like Walter Cronkite. The opportunity to show how the MSM failed in its coverage of Charlottesville is slipping away.

    Walter Cronkite was a POS who LIED about American military effectiveness during the Vietnam TET offensive.
    He was dishonest in much of his other “reporting”, especially the (un)reported violence perpetrated by the so-called “civil-rights” marchers and their New York-based “handlers.”.
    Add to that, the embellishment of the stories about the “civil-rights” icons of the day.
    No, Walter Cronkite was a symptom of what was (and still is) wrong with the so-called “mainstream media”.
    TRUTH has never been a part of the equation. “Never letting a crisis go to waste” has ALWAYS been a part of the mainstream media’s agenda…

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  212. notanon says:
    @iffen
    the opportunity was successfully seized

    Not until Terry McAuliffe and others are under investigation for criminally negligent manslaughter, then you can say that it was successfully seized, not before.

    you have a point – the great shuttening happening now is a response to the media’s Cville narrative being blunted imo but that’s not the same as being overturned completely and reversed.

    to claim a victory rather than a draw McAuliffe and the mayor would need to have been arrested.

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    victory rather than a draw

    You are not any good at keeping score. Truth, Justice and the American Way got waxed.
  213. iffen says:
    @notanon
    you have a point - the great shuttening happening now is a response to the media's Cville narrative being blunted imo but that's not the same as being overturned completely and reversed.

    to claim a victory rather than a draw McAuliffe and the mayor would need to have been arrested.

    victory rather than a draw

    You are not any good at keeping score. Truth, Justice and the American Way got waxed.

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    nah - anyone who can't see the media narrative was blocked and partially reversed is blind or dishonest
    , @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    I thought the Boston rally over the weekend went down fairly smoothly - and that place is far more liberal (top to bottom) - no?

    Peace.
  214. Saxon says:
    @Bliss
    Which is worse: the alt-right being shunned by liberals, or critics of Trump (including conservative ones) receiving death threats from the alt-right?

    Where is this love for freedom of speech (which is a liberal value) when death threats are made from your side?

    According to a recent poll only 4% of Americans support white nationalism. Trump does not need to pander to this fringe group who are deservedly becoming pariahs (they will support him anyway).

    Yesterday, Bannon called white-nationalists “clowns” and “losers”. A couple days before that Trump called racism an “evil” ideology. You all are facing a harsh reality check.

    Big problems if you think a white survival movement is fringe and is “deservedly” being made pariahs, but I guess you drink the kool-aid and think the “inevitable brown future” won’t look like Brazilian favelas or worse.

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  215. Kevin C. says:
    @iffen
    Because there aren’t any.

    Sailer's citizenism, an American nationalism, could work. I don't see how you get there from here.

    If Trumpism was a political entity rather than just one person one could have hope.

    There are all sorts of ideals just lying on the ground that could be picked up and used to unify people of good will. We could have a James Madison Society dedicated to the 1st Amendment and pretty much have the field to ourselves. Free speech being a tool, you would have to come up with a unifying vision of what it is you want to build with that tool.

    There are all sorts of ideals just lying on the ground that could be picked up and used to unify people of good will.

    Except “unifying people of good will” accomplishes jack squat. Iron Law of Oligarchy: only elites, and rival proto-elites, matter. The masses are so much pawns and window-dressing for the games of the elites. True “peasant revolts” have never amounted to much of anything, and never will. It doesn’t matter how many “people of good will” we unify, or what ideals we unify them with; so long as the elites are all against us, they win, we lose.

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  216. Kevin C. says:
    @notanon
    nah

    the whole point of this media incited pogrom is the media have been losing the meme war

    and if the good goys need to create a samizdat internet to carry on with it then they will

    and if the good goys need to create a samizdat internet to carry on with it then they will

    And what does carrying on on the internet, openly or “samizdat” accomplish? NOTHING. Because we still live — and die — in meatspace. “Meme war” is mostly nonsense, as is the whole idea that we just need to convince enough ordinary folks to side with us. Because so what if the majority is on our side? Voting doesn’t change anything. As “Antidem” put it in a review of Trump’s half year in office:

    So six months into his time in office, what do we have? We have a presidency under siege from the actual centers of power (Call them what you like: the Establishment, the Globalists, the Cathedral, the Deep State – either way, they comprise the entrenched bureaucracy, the courts, the media, and big money interests) who thought that they had adequately made the point about elected leaders defying them back when they hounded Richard Nixon out of office. Whether they can actually remove Trump from office, or even defeat him in re-election, is a secondary concern; if they can merely bog him down in having to defend himself against their endless attacks such that he has no time or energy left to accomplish much of anything productive, they will have achieved their objectives. In this, they have the collusion of the Congress – both parties, in both houses. The members of this august body are, as a rule, easily spooked and easily bought off (either by one of the many forms of bribery that Congress has left technically legal for its members to enjoy, or in the form of positive media coverage and other intangibles). That this is not true of all of them is beside the point. It doesn’t need to be all of them, it just needs to be enough of them, which it reliably is.

    Ask yourself a question: If this system, while under the complete control of the putative “right”, is unable even to repeal Obamacare – a deeply unpopular and plainly dysfunctional program that is quickly collapsing under its own weight and which the now-ruling party promised to repeal within its first week in power – in half a year of trying, what could possibly make you think it will ever be able to deal with the larger issues, both social and economic, that plague our society? What makes you think it will ever ban abortion, or repeal gay “marriage”, or arrest the slow banishment of the Christian faith from the public square, or effectively stop the immivasion that promises to soon make the founding stock of this nation a minority in its own lands, or bring any restraint whatsoever to the out-of-control welfare state, or get our nation out of the empire business, or end the Fed, or wrangle our astronomical national debt under control? And yes, maybe Congress will eventually get around to some weak-tea repeal of Obamacare and its replacement with a slightly less obnoxious and ramshackle state program. After all the compromises and backroom dealing that will have to go into getting the true centers of power to allow it to pass, can anyone believe that it will really do what we want it to – deliver us good healthcare at affordable prices?

    No matter how much we may outnumber them, the elites will still get their way.

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    • Replies: @notanon

    “Meme war” is mostly nonsense
     
    then why are you trying so spread your "we're all doomed" meme?
  217. It kind of makes one sick to hear Anatoly rant for free speech. I mean, he cheered Peter Thiel’s use of state power against a publisher who offended him. That’s why it’s rational that nobody trusts a bunch of rightists in Boston when they claim to rally for free speech.

    Cut the hypocrisy. (By the way, for those who think they can return the accusation, I defend even Daily Stormer’s right to be online.)

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  218. notanon says:
    @iffen
    victory rather than a draw

    You are not any good at keeping score. Truth, Justice and the American Way got waxed.

    nah – anyone who can’t see the media narrative was blocked and partially reversed is blind or dishonest

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  219. notanon says:
    @Kevin C.

    and if the good goys need to create a samizdat internet to carry on with it then they will
     
    And what does carrying on on the internet, openly or "samizdat" accomplish? NOTHING. Because we still live — and die — in meatspace. "Meme war" is mostly nonsense, as is the whole idea that we just need to convince enough ordinary folks to side with us. Because so what if the majority is on our side? Voting doesn't change anything. As "Antidem" put it in a review of Trump's half year in office:

    So six months into his time in office, what do we have? We have a presidency under siege from the actual centers of power (Call them what you like: the Establishment, the Globalists, the Cathedral, the Deep State – either way, they comprise the entrenched bureaucracy, the courts, the media, and big money interests) who thought that they had adequately made the point about elected leaders defying them back when they hounded Richard Nixon out of office. Whether they can actually remove Trump from office, or even defeat him in re-election, is a secondary concern; if they can merely bog him down in having to defend himself against their endless attacks such that he has no time or energy left to accomplish much of anything productive, they will have achieved their objectives. In this, they have the collusion of the Congress – both parties, in both houses. The members of this august body are, as a rule, easily spooked and easily bought off (either by one of the many forms of bribery that Congress has left technically legal for its members to enjoy, or in the form of positive media coverage and other intangibles). That this is not true of all of them is beside the point. It doesn’t need to be all of them, it just needs to be enough of them, which it reliably is.

    Ask yourself a question: If this system, while under the complete control of the putative “right”, is unable even to repeal Obamacare – a deeply unpopular and plainly dysfunctional program that is quickly collapsing under its own weight and which the now-ruling party promised to repeal within its first week in power – in half a year of trying, what could possibly make you think it will ever be able to deal with the larger issues, both social and economic, that plague our society? What makes you think it will ever ban abortion, or repeal gay “marriage”, or arrest the slow banishment of the Christian faith from the public square, or effectively stop the immivasion that promises to soon make the founding stock of this nation a minority in its own lands, or bring any restraint whatsoever to the out-of-control welfare state, or get our nation out of the empire business, or end the Fed, or wrangle our astronomical national debt under control? And yes, maybe Congress will eventually get around to some weak-tea repeal of Obamacare and its replacement with a slightly less obnoxious and ramshackle state program. After all the compromises and backroom dealing that will have to go into getting the true centers of power to allow it to pass, can anyone believe that it will really do what we want it to – deliver us good healthcare at affordable prices?
     
    No matter how much we may outnumber them, the elites will still get their way.

    “Meme war” is mostly nonsense

    then why are you trying so spread your “we’re all doomed” meme?

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    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope. Because there is no problem so dire that it cannot be made worse by wasting finite time and resources on a "solution" that cannot work. Because the attempting of the doomed-to-fail "solutions" people often oppose will bring backlash, some of which may fall upon me and mine.
  220. Talha says:
    @iffen
    victory rather than a draw

    You are not any good at keeping score. Truth, Justice and the American Way got waxed.

    Hey iffen,

    I thought the Boston rally over the weekend went down fairly smoothly – and that place is far more liberal (top to bottom) – no?

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    The state orchestrated riot in Charlottesville is accomplishing its goals beyond the wildest dreams of its perpetrators.

    Failures of Truth, Justice and the American Way.

    Failure of rule of law in Charlottesville.

    Failure of freedom of speech and thought in America.

    Failure of impartial and professional journalism.

    I called the nature of the Boston rally on Friday.

    The elite can tolerate only an occasional Charlottesville before ordinary people notice that the system is not working the way it’s s’posed to. Hence, Boston and many more like it.
  221. Kevin C. says:
    @notanon

    “Meme war” is mostly nonsense
     
    then why are you trying so spread your "we're all doomed" meme?

    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope. Because there is no problem so dire that it cannot be made worse by wasting finite time and resources on a “solution” that cannot work. Because the attempting of the doomed-to-fail “solutions” people often oppose will bring backlash, some of which may fall upon me and mine.

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    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope.
     
    yeah right
    , @peterAUS
    So, be that as may, what would YOU suggest as a feasible solution to the problem?

    Or, nobody does nothing and everything just keeps going where it's been going?

    As for "elites", you are, definitely, incorrect.

    Throughout human history "elites" were being brought down and systems, obviously, replaced.
    I guess we "small white people" do live better than under Roman Empire, or Spanish, or Turkish, even British.
    Slavic groups definitely then under (short) Nazi rule.
    "Easterners" most likely better than under Communist Moscow.

    Anyway....back to the point:
    What would YOU suggest as a feasible solution to the problem?
    Just a basic idea which could be expanded upon.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond

    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope.
     
    Although I'm sure we don't completely agree on what exactly is false, I emphatically agree with this statement.

    But the false hope of Trump wasn't merely his lack of sincerity. Even if Trump were sincere as well if he were really a smart guy, even a 4d chess player, essentially the false hope is that important changes can be effected by infiltration and manipulation.
  222. anarchyst says:

    It appears that these internet gatekeepers are violating “net neutrality” and must be brought to task for their behavior…

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    correct - the "guardians" showed their hand on net neutrality and can no longer be trusted
  223. @Felix Keverich
    The issue here is that it's not just the actual fascists, who are being delegitimised: any kind of pro-White activism will get you labelled a "Nazi" and blocked out of everything. Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that's problematic.

    It doesn’t even have to be pro-white, all it need be is anti immigration.

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  224. iffen says:
    @Talha
    Hey iffen,

    I thought the Boston rally over the weekend went down fairly smoothly - and that place is far more liberal (top to bottom) - no?

    Peace.

    The state orchestrated riot in Charlottesville is accomplishing its goals beyond the wildest dreams of its perpetrators.

    Failures of Truth, Justice and the American Way.

    Failure of rule of law in Charlottesville.

    Failure of freedom of speech and thought in America.

    Failure of impartial and professional journalism.

    I called the nature of the Boston rally on Friday.

    The elite can tolerate only an occasional Charlottesville before ordinary people notice that the system is not working the way it’s s’posed to. Hence, Boston and many more like it.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Fair points, all.

    I guess we'll likely see more Bostons in the future and less Charlottesvilles and it will seem that everything is running smooth; back to baseball and Kim Kardashian's butt.

    Peace.
  225. Ironsides says:
    @iffen
    Considering that US is set to become majority non-white in the near future, that’s problematic

    Since we will be a minority, we will get all the attendant minority rights, status and privileges, right?

    Only the White man is silly enough to kowtow to foreign nations on his own territory.

    Once any other ethnicity is in the majority and can claim U.S. territory as their own land permanently (e.g. Mexico Norte). they will operate in the way that every group of people except masochistic White idiots do, and arrange everything to THEIR advantage, while everyone else can go scratch around the edges.

    In short, everyone except the ruling majority will be third-class citizens with no rights — pariahs in their own former land.

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  226. Talha says:
    @iffen
    The state orchestrated riot in Charlottesville is accomplishing its goals beyond the wildest dreams of its perpetrators.

    Failures of Truth, Justice and the American Way.

    Failure of rule of law in Charlottesville.

    Failure of freedom of speech and thought in America.

    Failure of impartial and professional journalism.

    I called the nature of the Boston rally on Friday.

    The elite can tolerate only an occasional Charlottesville before ordinary people notice that the system is not working the way it’s s’posed to. Hence, Boston and many more like it.

    Fair points, all.

    I guess we’ll likely see more Bostons in the future and less Charlottesvilles and it will seem that everything is running smooth; back to baseball and Kim Kardashian’s butt.

    Peace.

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    more Bostons in the future and less Charlottesvilles
     
    the media are engaged in a color revolution so will continue their hysterical incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump violence until they win or get stopped - this will lead wherever it leads.

    the best thing for the alt-right imo is non-violent troll and run flash mobs - effectively a live action version of internet trolling - to keep the media / BLM /antifa in a permanent state of hysterics.

    well second best thing - first best is create a new internet which somehow actively enforced the #1A globally.

    #1A skynet ftw
  227. notanon says:
    @Kevin C.
    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope. Because there is no problem so dire that it cannot be made worse by wasting finite time and resources on a "solution" that cannot work. Because the attempting of the doomed-to-fail "solutions" people often oppose will bring backlash, some of which may fall upon me and mine.

    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope.

    yeah right

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  228. notanon says:
    @anarchyst
    It appears that these internet gatekeepers are violating "net neutrality" and must be brought to task for their behavior...

    correct – the “guardians” showed their hand on net neutrality and can no longer be trusted

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  229. notanon says:
    @Talha
    Fair points, all.

    I guess we'll likely see more Bostons in the future and less Charlottesvilles and it will seem that everything is running smooth; back to baseball and Kim Kardashian's butt.

    Peace.

    more Bostons in the future and less Charlottesvilles

    the media are engaged in a color revolution so will continue their hysterical incitement to anti-white and anti-Trump violence until they win or get stopped – this will lead wherever it leads.

    the best thing for the alt-right imo is non-violent troll and run flash mobs – effectively a live action version of internet trolling – to keep the media / BLM /antifa in a permanent state of hysterics.

    well second best thing – first best is create a new internet which somehow actively enforced the #1A globally.

    #1A skynet ftw

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  230. peterAUS says:
    @Kevin C.
    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope. Because there is no problem so dire that it cannot be made worse by wasting finite time and resources on a "solution" that cannot work. Because the attempting of the doomed-to-fail "solutions" people often oppose will bring backlash, some of which may fall upon me and mine.

    So, be that as may, what would YOU suggest as a feasible solution to the problem?

    Or, nobody does nothing and everything just keeps going where it’s been going?

    As for “elites”, you are, definitely, incorrect.

    Throughout human history “elites” were being brought down and systems, obviously, replaced.
    I guess we “small white people” do live better than under Roman Empire, or Spanish, or Turkish, even British.
    Slavic groups definitely then under (short) Nazi rule.
    “Easterners” most likely better than under Communist Moscow.

    Anyway….back to the point:
    What would YOU suggest as a feasible solution to the problem?
    Just a basic idea which could be expanded upon.

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  231. @Kevin C.
    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope. Because there is no problem so dire that it cannot be made worse by wasting finite time and resources on a "solution" that cannot work. Because the attempting of the doomed-to-fail "solutions" people often oppose will bring backlash, some of which may fall upon me and mine.

    Because falsehoods are always worth fighting, and that includes false hope.

    Although I’m sure we don’t completely agree on what exactly is false, I emphatically agree with this statement.

    But the false hope of Trump wasn’t merely his lack of sincerity. Even if Trump were sincere as well if he were really a smart guy, even a 4d chess player, essentially the false hope is that important changes can be effected by infiltration and manipulation.

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  232. Reinhard says:
    @iffen
    This makes for interesting thought. The salient fact remains that IF I have to choose between being ruled by the crazed left (actually existing society) and pushing for rule by Nazis, I am going to stick with the current rulers. At least left wing crazies believe in the blank slate so there is always the chance that one can be sent for re-education and rehabilitation. As a matter of fact, a smart eager beaver that went through rehab could probably make a halfway decent career out of testifying to past sins. OTOH, Nazis believe it's "in the blood" so they just shoot you, no chance for re-education.

    People everywhere know about the satano-homo-judeo-marxist threat to their happiness and existence. The downfall of ZOG is just a matter of time and the jews KNOW that their time is short. That is why you see the internet ghetto uprising panic suppression-genocide reaction by the fearfully desperate jews. The more they tighten their grip the more people will slip through their fingers and work to bring about their downfall. The MASK IS OFF! They are their own worst enemies. Fear not, soon they will be gone.

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  233. hazeh says:

    holy shit you neo-nazis, neo-confederates and KKK loving racists are more and more pathetic.

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  234. nh-nm says: • Website

    Looks like you outcasts are gonna have to invoke the protection of the supreme law of the land (under Article 6 Clause 2 of the Constitution as affirmed by the Paquete Habana decision.)

    The US already has hate speech restrictions in its supreme law: ICCPR Article 20. CIA has everybody brainwashed to knee-jerk hostility against the whole idea, so it’s a bigger secret than anything Snowden leaked. That’s because it bans only hate speech that passes the ‘serious’ threshold. Because some disembodied voice can say all kinds of obnoxious shit, but when the state gets behind it, that’s different – that’s what leads to war and persecution. You poor censored pukes are harmless by definition, human rights law recognizes that.

    http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Opinion/CCPRGeneralCommentNo11.pdf

    http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Expression/ICCPR/Vienna/CRP7Callamard.pdf

    But CIA moles at State tried to gut Article 20 with a legally-void ‘ratification package’ that subverts the object and purpose of the treaty. Why? Because legal restrictions overwhelmingly affect the US state war propaganda that is ubiquitous in the Mockingbird media. Article 20 might affect a bit of what you say, now and then. But it would wipe out the current content of the NYT, the Post, Time, AP, along with most State Department public statements. Because that’s wall-to-wall war propaganda – Which wogs should we blow up? These wogs, or those wogs, or those Russian animals, or some crafty orientals?

    Human rights law is only a threat to this criminal kleptocracy. For you it’s pure protection. Get with it.

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  235. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Marshall Lentini
    I don't care about churches personally. Wrong guy to ask. Fetishism about the past is just so much energy whiteskins habitually direct away from the future. Burn it all, I say. Cue the "wow edgy bro" posturing.

    Wrong guy to ask.

    Well, as a matter of fact I didn’t ask you… :)

    Cue the “wow edgy bro” posturing.

    No, I think you’ve got that covered. :)

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