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russian-anglophilia

“London is always a good idea.” Observed recently in a furniture shop.

Presumably for those Russians who are not in the 600 or so who are both rich and Anglophile enough to send their children off to Hogwarts every year.

Anyhow, Anglophilia is extremely prevalent in Russia.

What’s interesting is that it is if anything more acute amongst the middle-aged “Soviet” generations, who are familiar with English literature. They expect to walk into a Jane Austen novel or something upon disembarking at Heathrow.

Though these days it’s perhaps more humane to let them continue living under those delusions.

I have heard that in China it is the United States that tends to be idolized. This at least makes sense. While there are plenty of admirable things worthy of emulation in America, I can think of almost none as regards the UK. If I was supreme dictator I’d even copy more things from Germany (e.g. their healthcare system).

Well, except perhaps making the idea of Moscow into a center for Western offshore money. With the appropriate policies and PR, Madoff could have made off to Russia instead of jail (and more importantly, his $$$).

 
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  1. “They expect to talk”

    I suppose that’s a typo for “walk”?

    copy more things from Germany (e.g. their healthcare system)

    German healthcare system isn’t without significant flaws, thousands (tens of thousands?) die every year from avoidable infections they got during hospital stays; iirc some other countries like the Netherlands are much better with this due to strict hygiene protocols.
    Of course it’s still better than the horrible NHS.
    It’s really bizarre though how many British seem to believe the NHS is somehow the envy of the world.

    • Replies: @Anon
  2. The UK rightly comes in for ridicule in our circles of the internet, but I can think of some things in the UK which are still good and worth emulating:

    • Common law
    • Financial services
    • Question Time
    • Rolls Royce (engines and turbines, not the BMW brand)

    People bitch about the NHS, but it consumes fewer resources than any other Western healthcare system. Since healthcare is for losers and cowards, this can only be a good thing.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  3. DFH says:

    For whatever reason, actual Russians were quite rare at my (the best) public school (excluding the daughter of a Putin associate), but there were a lot of oligarchs’ children from other post-Soviet countries, along with their discreet bodyguards.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Dmitry
  4. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Obviously German Healthcare (and healthcare in any civilised country) is modelled on the UK system, albeit improved upon.

    But that of course is not the real merit of the British system – is is simply very cheap compared to anywhere else.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  5. Better to have teaboos go to Hogwarts and dream about marrying Benedict Cumberbatch than to have ameriboos rapping along to the usual degeneracy American Negroes produce.

  6. @Hyperborean

    British pop culture is really degenerate nowadays as well.
    Just look at something like this (the kind of “music” teenage girls listen to, probably to condition them for being groomed by Paki gangs):

  7. @Anon

    Obviously German Healthcare (and healthcare in any civilised country) is modelled on the UK system

    The NHS was only founded after WW2, I very much doubt it was a model for any German healthcare system (which are insurance-based and whose origins can be traced back to Bismarck’s time).

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  8. @German_reader

    British pop culture is really degenerate nowadays as well.

    I agree, but based on anecdotal experience anglophiles will tend to consume the more stereotypically ‘English’ middle-brow culture.

    Whereas americanophiles will tend to lean more towards the kind you posted above (I suppose, why settle for imitations when one can go straight to the source?).

  9. @German_reader

    Song is catchy, which of course is part of the problem.

    The video would be degenerate even with an all-white cast (though multiracialism makes it worse). See for instance Don’t You Want Me by the Human League from the early 1980s:

    Pop culture in general has for a long time catered to base instincts.

    It’s one reason I do not support a free press.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  10. @German_reader

    On a related note, during my visit I found the Judeo-Americanisation of London to be quite disturbing.

    Seeing so many young English girls dragging around their illegitimate mulatto half-breed offspring and English boys with East Asian girlfriends was a displeasing sign of American influence.

    Saracens are awful as well, but I get the impression that they are more interested in fucking around than they are in actually knocking up indigenous European women.

    People like to make fun of Swedes, but it is ny impression that the British are far more Americanised in this aspect.

  11. @Hyperborean

    You sure there’s no Americaboo Russians?

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
  12. @AquariusAnon

    While the music in the second music is very American being RnB, but the video is surprisingly conservative and wholesome, like a throwback to a bygone era in the Anglosphere.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  13. @Hyperborean

    People like to make fun of Swedes, but it is ny impression that the British are far more Americanised in this aspect.

    I see a lot of white women with mulatto kids. It’s been a strong increase in the last 5 years alone. I think it coincided with the Obama era. Him being the offspring of a white mother and all, being so articulate and of course the endless gushing from the media. His presidency was dominated by race for eight years. Plenty of white women who will have a 3 to 5 year old kid today were in their late teens during his rise, so it affected them and their outlook.

    Still, I do not think it is necessarily an American thing per se. I also see a ton of East Asian (or frankly mostly South-East Asian) import wives here as well. I think these are generalised racial patterns which are the same across cultures. Women tend to ‘marry down’ in terms of race while men tend to ‘marry up’. Even the minority white men who do indeed end up with black or brown women often do so with some of the best women from those groups (in terms of education, socio-economic factors, social stability etc).

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @LondonBob
  14. Hokie says:

    Anatoly, would be interesting to write about the influence of the American far right on the East Slavic Far Right, and vice versa. It’s always surreal to meet Slavs who have read Dr. Pierce’s novels or are familiar with concepts such as “RaHoWa”.

    • Replies: @utu
  15. @Thulean Friend

    I see a lot of white women with mulatto kids. It’s been a strong increase in the last 5 years alone.

    Interesting. What city do you live? I spent my time in Sweden living in Gothenburg.

    I met many half-Swedish, half-other European people, but the only memorable encounter I had with a half-Swedish, half-non white was with an half-Swedish, half-black Moroccan or something woman.

  16. You sure there’s no Americaboo Russians?

    I didn’t say that, merely that Ameriboos are more annoying than Teaboos.

  17. Epigon says:

    The only thing more pathetic and contempt-worthy than Russian Anglophiles are Serb Anglophiles.
    There would be only positive consequences were they rounded up and exterminated.

    • Replies: @Raymie
  18. LondonBob says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    I haven’t watched Question Time in years.

  19. LondonBob says:
    @DFH

    A family friend’s uncle became exceedingly rich advising Russians on which public school to send their children to. Known a few who went to English schools or universities, but British universities and public schools are such a strong brand. I even saw saw a Harrow school bus outside Peking when I was in China. My brother went to university in the US and they really are far left indoctrination centres these days.

  20. LondonBob says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Sweden has always had a huge number of Asian import wives, I have no idea how and why they got there.

    In Britain there has always been a large Irish underclass and they have tended to interbreed with the black underclass. I would expect this is working its way up the social scale these days.

  21. DFH says:
    @Hyperborean

    I live in London and don’t notice that many white/black couples, but it might just be because of the area I live in. I see more white/Asian or white man/Indian couples. Even seeing the occasional white grandmother with mulatto infant is soul-crushing though. Many of the racemixing women are also likely Polish rather than English, sadly it is quite common with them in London.

  22. Raymie says:
    @Epigon

    Serb Anglophilia would indeed be cucked and ridiculous, although Serb Germanophilia would be even stupider. If Orthodox Slavdom has a traditional archenemy, it’s Germany.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Epigon
  23. neutral says:

    Are these people not aware of the fact that London is majority non British, and the rest of the UK will be the same very soon. I just don’t know how they can seriously see Britain as a Jane Austen novel, do they never once watch the news or ever speak to anybody who has been there?

    • Replies: @g2k
  24. neutral says:
    @Raymie

    Surely the Turks are the archenemy of the Serbs.

    • Replies: @Kinez
  25. Epigon says:
    @Raymie

    It’s Catholic Church first and foremost, whether through Venice, Jezuits, Poles or Habsburgs. Uniatism, sacra congregatio christiano nomini propagando, forced conversions etc, Crusades aftermath were all directly aimed at Orthodox peoples.

    Followed by Anglos/Atlanticists and their machinations. It’s a deep subject, especially concerning Serbs and their historical relations with Austrians and Germans until 1903, when Freemasonry and British puppets took over after the pro-Austrian monarch was assassinated and his looted belongings auctioned off in London.

    Germans killed Serbs because Serbs blindly followed orders by traitors placed at the helm, and played the role of a sabot thrown into the gear of German continental hegemony. You can’t blame Germans for wanting to eliminate a country ruled by anti-German Anglopuppets, right in the neighbourhood and occupying key strategic position. Serbia relied on Austria since 16th century, and Yugoslavia Axis Agreement could only be described as Hitler’s most generous offer. Contrasted with British ultimatum of January 1941 which proclaimed that further Yugoslav neutrality would be deemed a declaration of war against Britain.
    Britain was most displeased when Serbia finally executed Black Hand leader – Apis. The remnants of that organisation combined with newer recruited British agents and actual British special operatives effected the March 27th coup in 1941.
    Karađorđević dynasty is a cancer only slightly smaller than Yugocommunism.
    Yugoslavism should be physically removed, with preferred method of extermination of the idea’s proponents.

    • Replies: @Kinez
    , @Raymie
  26. Kinez says:
    @neutral

    The main enemy of the Serbs have always been domestic traitors and their descendants. Usually the motivation was material (often to do with careers in the Austrian or Ottoman military, or just an easier life in general), resulting in the nominal adoption of Islam or Catholicism. With succeeding generations, the new religion, cultural outlook, mindset etc put down roots. The same process of identity transformation / engineering happened with Titoism and is currently happening with modern liberalism (roughly, the worldview epitomised by the Clinton clique or Blair).

    As for Russian Anglophilia, it’s utterly pathetic and, in my experience, sadly common. It’s somewhat excusable in Russia, but it’s too much when you meet Russians who’ve been living in Britain for 10+ years and persist in this delusion, despite the fact that they should know better. They often affect (what they imagine to be) an upper class English accent, dress the way they imagine an “English gentleman” should dress and use out-of-place “upper class” words and phrasing in a painfully forced way. There are many aspects of England worthy of respect, but nothing worthy of such uncritical imitative worship.

    Slavishly viewing oneself through a frame of reference served up foreigners is worthy of contempt. It puts such a person in a permanent subordinate and dependent position, as by viewing himself through a stranger’s eyes, he becomes a stranger to himself. Of course, such behaviour doesn’t lead to acceptance, but derision. (Karlin translated a good essay about this by Trubetzkoy a while back).

    This is the fundamental reason “the West” is hysterical about Russia. Russia, for all its many, many faults, is the only European country with the (largely unrealised) potential to generate new ideas that are not derivative in relation to Western ones. That is a very frightening and threatening when you think your ideology is (1) universal; (2) the final pinnacle of an ascending historical process.

  27. Kinez says:
    @Epigon

    Yugoslavism should be physically removed, with preferred method of extermination of the idea’s proponents.

    While I sympathise with your motivations, this is morally wrong, but also impossible and counterproductive. The way to get Serbs back on the right path is through cultural change. This is, I admit, more difficult but it has the following advantages: it’s not a crime before God; it is actually possible; it can put down roots in a way that brute force cannot; it can happen incrementally; it has an effect on all issues in society.

    Currently this seems impossible, given the level of media control in Serbia, but that will become ever less of an issue in the internet age. As for legacy media, sustained pressure will lead to cracks, especially if pressure is applied to weak points.

  28. Raymie says:
    @Epigon

    Germans and Croats killed the Serbs out of sectarian hatred, not because of heroic opposition to “Anglo-Zionists” or whatever absurd ideas you have.

    After the Ottoman Turks, the worst enemy of the Orthodox Slavs has always been Germany/Austria (who sided with the christ-hating Turks in WW1, no less).

  29. g2k says:
    @neutral

    London is non-English, but in a different way to the regions and in a different way to many people who haven’t been there seem to imagine it to be. It’s not necessarily the percentage of foreigners that makes it so, it’s more how they interact with wider society; you tend to get a lot more professional foreigners who mix more with the English swpl types, who themselves are increasingly culturally divergent. There also are nationalities that don’t really exist in large numbers elswhere in the UK ; French, Americans, Latinos etc.

    As for the main point, you could view this a sign of maturity as long as it doesn’t get taken to cargo cult levels; being able to separate a people and culture, from its government. English cities that escaped postwar desecration are very beautiful and there are some cultural quirks I’ll miss if/when I emigrate; chip shops, pubs, gasless beer etc.

    The second amendment is likely not long for this world and the first ammendment will likely be rendered meaningless for anyone not independently wealthy in the medium term, what’s the appeal of america over England then?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @RadicalCenter
  30. Dmitry says:

    I could list different reasons for this Anglophilia.

    1. The most bourgeois parts of UK, are a paradise.

    2.UK itself has been for centuries an international (imperial) oriented country. So for foreigners, always feel welcome and assimilated there, whether Louis-Napoleon, Karl Marx, or King of Greece.

    UK still today has a different atmosphere to foreigners, than nationalist cultures like Spain, France, Germany, etc. So while English people themselves may not be friendly (especially in recent months), the country itself has a feeling of openness.

    3. Most effective way to make someone love your culture, is to make them learn your language. This applies more and more, for the intellectual and sophisticated strata of societies which value the language.

    4. English are very effective at marketing themselves, and then price-gorging. This is business for them.

    Even the government seems to take a share of the money – look at the price of visa, which is 4 times more expensive than Schengen visa.

    It costs 4 times more for tourist visa to just one country – the UK; than for tourist visa to visit 26 European countries combined.

    You can almost go on holiday in Turkey, for the same price as the application fee for a visa to the UK.

  31. @Hyperborean

    “Seeing so many young English girls dragging around their illegitimate mulatto half-breed offspring”

    Where in London did you see this? It is a common sight in various depressing post-industrial towns, not so much in urban centres that are prospering.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  32. Dmitry says:
    @DFH

    It depends if the school is marketing in Russia, or not.

    Probably more secure British schools, are not marketing in Russia. But some British schools have almost converted their business to marketing for Russian/Chinese/Nigerian students.

    Parents probably often give less importance about the reputation of a particular school, than people like British themselves. The attraction and fashionable situation, is just the kids studying abroad.

  33. Dmitry says:
    @g2k

    cities that escaped postwar desecration are very beautiful and there are

    There are English cities which have been constructed by some kind of enchanted elves.

    And there are English cities, where architecture was outsourced to the urban planning department of Tolyatti municipality.

    -
    In London, it seems often both urban methodologies coexist even in the same street.

    In my opinion, the most consistently “this town planning was designed by an enchanted elf” place in London, is Hampstead.

    • Replies: @g2k
  34. @Hyperborean

    My impression is black-white mixing is heavily promoted in Britain, just think of the opening ceremony of the Olympic games in 2012…apart from its ridiculous celebration of the NHS, one of the main themes was how great black-white (usually black man, white woman) couples were, almost as if they were now the norm in London.
    Apart from the race aspect, I also find the video I linked to just really decadent, it’s obviously designed to promote slutty, promiscuous behaviour among its teenage fans.
    But yes, Britain is really pathetic today. Not that Germany is any better, it’s just horrible in somewhat different ways.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  35. utu says:
    @Hokie

    American white anti-Black racism is unpalatable to most Europeans with the exception of Brits.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  36. @Dmitry

    than nationalist cultures like Spain, France, Germany, etc

    Germany and Spain are “nationalist”? Lol.
    The French of course have exaggerated ideas about their own importance, but even that is different from “nationalism” as most commenters here would understand it.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @RadicalCenter
  37. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    To feel comfortably at home in Germany, Spain, France, you’ll need to be German, French, Spanish. Or you need to copy them somehow perfectly.

    The UK was at least since the 19th century, if not earlier, a friendly (as a country if not people) shelter for foreigners – and this influences a history of anglophilia for Russians still today. There’s no curse in being foreign, in England – this imperialist attitude feels like part of the English civilization itself.

    When Russians immigrated to Berlin after 1917, they never feel Germany being a home. They lived mainly isolated from Germans, until moving mostly to other lands – and even did not learn German for decades (Nabokov never learned more than some basic phrases in German, and has no German friends, even he lived there for 15 years – he says they only speak Russian, and feel like aliens and outcasts in the country).

    Nabokov was not anglophile, but as a student in England, by comparison, was living as a Russian happily and without isolation from the rest of society.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  38. g2k says:
    @Dmitry

    In London, it seems often both urban methodologies coexist even in the same street.

    That actually works in london’s favor . If postwar planners had built those brezhnevkas but respected the prewar street patterns their damage to UK cities would’ve been far less. New towns built during that era are even worse. There’s also a handful of “new towns” built round historic smaller towns (Stevenage, Peterborough, Hemel Hempstead etc), where you have a pleasant centre surrounded with grot.

  39. @Dmitry

    There’s no curse in being foreign, in England – this imperialist attitude feels like part of the English civilization itself.

    That’s all nonsense imo, England was a very homogeneous society as recently as the 1950s. When my father was a child in Lancashire in the 1950s, even the Irish (and Catholics in general) were looked down upon, and the only substantial immigrant community of recent origin were anti-communist Eastern Europeans. Negative attitudes about people of color were expressed openly and vehemently (e.g. my father had teachers who called Nigeria “Niggeria” or used the memorable phrase “Big dicks and small brains” about blacks).
    I know there’s a tendency to draw a contrast between the supposedly ethnic German concept of nationhood and the civic concept of nationhood in Britain, but plenty of English people do regard ethnicity and descent as crucial elements of English identity. And Germany has had comparatively little trouble of integrating millions of immigrants from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union.

  40. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    Advertising seems solely to advocate race mixing these days, started before Trump but seemed to accelerate as he progressed. Usually, yes, white woman with a black man. Has this not started in continental Europe yet?

  41. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    See for instance Don’t You Want Me by the Human League from the early 1980s:

    1980s English aesthetics was on some kind of genius level.

    The princess Diana

  42. @utu

    Not for much longer at this rate.

  43. @LondonBob

    Usually, yes, white woman with a black man. Has this not started in continental Europe yet?

    It has, at least in Scandinavia. And it is so often black male-white woman (rather than say Kebab) pairings that is obvious that the aim is Decomposition rather than any attempt to ‘reflect the demographics of the country’.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  44. @German_reader

    A figure I often see trotted out by English/British nationalists is that Britain now receives more immigrants every year than it did for the entire period from 1066-1945 (sometimes a later terminal date is used).

    John Derbyshire writes that when he was a boy in ’50s England adults where he grew up said that the government had been very foolish to import negroes, and said that blacks and whites would never get along. Tellingly, they cited the United States as evidence for this.

    The United Kingdom can arguably called civic nationalist, but that’s stretching it given the idea of the “Home Nations”. More like the Russian Empire and its “triune nation”.

    Civic nationalism is more or less a bogus concept which was invented by American WASPs around the fin de siecle in an effort to integrate non-British immigrants from Europe. In the ’40s the American elite very foolishly decided to expand this to persons of any origin in order to differentiate itself from Nazi Germany and compete with world communism for the affection of Third World trash.

    Dmitri’s idea that foreigners feel at home in England probably has more to do with London having been an imperial capital and major center of international trade for a very long time. Paris and St. Petersburg also long had emigres who perhaps felt at home. Berlin, being the military-administrative capital of modernized feudal warriors (I’m not saying Germany wasn’t modern, just commenting on Prussian nobles), had a provincial feeling. But it too had its emigres and artists during the Weimar period.

  45. @Ali Choudhury

    Where in London did you see this?

    The nicer parts? I am not really sure, I mainly noted it on my way between different cultural attractions.

    But usually the mothers and children seemed at least half-way decently dressed and spoke with ‘normal’ accents, not lumpenprole speak.

    The few black men I saw with mulatto children seemed relatively bourgeois (most likely the ghetto thugs don’t stick around).

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  46. @LondonBob

    Has this not started in continental Europe yet?

    I’d say in Germany promotion of black-white relationships isn’t quite as blatant, though there are really a lot of at least partly black models in advertising (don’t know if they just take over those ads from the US or Britain…would actually be an interesting subject what’s behind the over-representation of poc in such ads).
    Such stuff does come up in the media though, e.g. soap operas which feature storylines about relationships with African asylum seekers.

    • Replies: @DFH
  47. @German_reader

    And Germany has had comparatively little trouble of integrating millions of immigrants from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union.

    I remember reading an article by some French liberal who was deriding French nationalists of Spanish, Italian, Polish etc. origins, by claiming that Caribbean blacks and, IIRC, Algerian Arabs were more French than the European immigrants based on some stupid colonial connection.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  48. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Homogeneity is not really relevant. The fact a Russian man can, or could, feel like they are at home comfortably in UK – as a Russian – this is a large part of the story of anglophilia, and the attractiveness of the civilization to foreigners, as one which is universal.

    The same anglophilia is true of people from around the world, not only Russia. From the 19th century, elite of India, or even Japan, remember the happiest moments of youth, being in school and university in England, where they were welcomed as fairly as an Englishmen, and not encouraged to lose their own identity.

    Is this the case, in Germany, France, Spain – either today or in past? France could be welcoming many foreign people – Berlin received the main Russian community. But for the historical Russian community in Berlin, a feeling of isolation and not being at home, so long as they would remain Russians.

    plenty of English people do regard ethnicity and descent as crucial elements of English identity

    While, British civilization is quite welcoming to foreigners, as foreigners, who don’t have a pressure to be English to enjoy the country and civilization. This is how teenagers in Russia, can wear a t-shirt with British flag on it, without a sense that they are pretending to be British, but rather as an expression that they like British culture.

    To look at a 19th century German example – Marx and Engels likely have no sense they would have to convert in Englishmen, to feel at home in England. It was just an imperial civilization where foreigners like them, were allowed to be foreigners.

    Germany has had comparatively little trouble of integrating millions of immigrants from Eastern

    Sure, but this is not relevant to anglophilia.

    When immigrants came to Germany from the sphere of former Soviet countries, in the 1990s, it was because they were desperate people who had an opportunity to go to a rich country, with no particular germanophilia.

    And if today, they assimilate, this is an example of civilizational difference from the UK. Russians living in the UK, don’t have a particular pressure to lose their own identity. .

  49. @Hyperborean

    I can top that: in Germany you sometimes read articles in the mainstream media where Turks make the argument that their families have lived longer in “Germany” than East Germans (who are a kind of “migrants” themselves, not properly integrated into the multicultural federal republic).

  50. @LondonBob

    I remember being in Antwerp in 2009 and seeing a large advertising board in the centre showing a black man and white woman in the bathtub together. I think it was advertising laundry detergent.

  51. @Dmitry

    Russians living in the UK, don’t have a particular pressure to lose their own identity.

    Yes, because England today is for everybody but the English and the full force of the state is used to suppress any stirrings of English nationalism.
    There’s also little pressure for real assimilation in Germany btw, many Turks (often German citizens) certainly are extremely assertive in their Turkish and Islamic identity.
    As for your historical arguments, you’re mixing up different categories of migrants: foreign elites temporarily attending British public schools or universities, with the intention of eventually returning to their own countries, are obviously quite different from impoverished refugees from Soviet Russia. Poor refugees (even genuine ones) are never popular.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  52. @Dmitry

    Is this the case, in Germany, France, Spain – either today or in past? France could be welcoming many foreign people – Berlin received the main Russian community. But for the historical Russian community in Berlin, a feeling of isolation and not being at home, so long as they would remain Russians.

    You might be right about Berlin, but my impression is that the emigrés who made their way to France felt relatively at ease and formed a kind of hybrid French-Russian culture.

  53. @Hyperborean

    Well, I am in London all the time and cannot say that white-black combos are that prevalent, white-Chinese couples are a lot more common.

  54. DFH says:

    The United Kingdom can arguably called civic nationalist, but that’s stretching it given the idea of the “Home Nations”.

    People in the 18th and 19th centuries often used ‘Briton’ as a racial/ethnic term

  55. DFH says:
    @German_reader

    Yes, it seems to be featured in every BBC drama or comedy program, far more than any other type of miscegenation.

  56. @g2k

    Seriously? Where to start. The ability to find real open space and quiet, even nowadays. Mountain ranges. The Great Lakes. The vast and fertile Great Plains. The wonderful people of the upper Midwest and much of the South, Mountain West, and even more traditional people in the northeast and midatlantic.

    ****. The absence of a burgeoning, aggressive, violent Islamist population that is openly declaring its intent to subjugate brits, and openly doing so. ******

    Some meaningful remnant of huge forests, of Christian Anglo/Greco-Roman civilization in places, and of the willingness to stand and fight back. All worse or less than they used to be, but all way better, more available, or more substantial than in England or the whole “uk.”

    The English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh did a wondrous thing founding, defending, and growing my country, the USA. Incredibly impressive what they achieved with a tiny, rainy island and adjacent territory, lacking adequate amounts of some natural resources. Be proud of England Or the uk and their history. But it’s headed into an even worse Hell, even faster, than the USA, and there’s even less chance of finding places to run and resettle there.

    This is not Schadenfreude but an honestly bleak assessment of the fate of our kindred peoples across the pond. We love all our peoples and don’t want to see them suffer or effectively disappear. And it’s clear that we are also unnecessarily surrendering everything to hostile or indifferent aliens for no good reason. But I’ll take the USA, in degraded Balkanized form, over a small dark Islamist Island.

    • Replies: @g2k
    , @Anon
  57. @German_reader

    Agreed. Germany and France are so NOT nationalist in any meaningful sense, that they will soon enough cease to exist as cohesive, recognizable, Western-civilized places.

  58. @Dmitry

    Why would I want to pay for the visas needed to take my wife and children to London? What I hear from American and european visitors is that Londonistan on balance is no longer friendly, safe, or generally worth the trouble.

    Even LA, even to a lesser degree NY City, are more worth a visit. Lots of problems in both cities, and I’d never want to live in nyc anymore. But compared to London? Why should we ignore constant first-person reports about what’s going on there every day?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  59. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    As for your historical arguments,

    Think about it this way.

    If you are in teenager in Russia, why can you wear a t-shirt with British flag, while not feeling like you are pretending to be British?

    Whereas I never had t-shirt with French flag, or with German flag – you would feel like you are pretending to be one of those nationalities. .

    Why is the UK, and British civilization, feeling like second home for people, especially educated people, around the world?

    This is not a comment on the quality of the civilization (German civilization, French civilization, etc, is not less than the English).

    Of course the UK has a more welcoming (actually characteristic of an imperial island) orientation to the rest of the world, and historically this is particularly to cultivating its elites.

    Yes, because England today is for everybody but the English and the full force of the state is used to suppress any stirrings of

    Who do you think is making money from the visa fee every Russian has to pay for every time to visit London?

    Who is getting rich, from Russian students in the British schools? Who is making money when we studied the IELTs exam? Or even from the property prices in London? Which corporations, are benefiting from hiring talented foreign labour?

    The bourgeois in the UK, live one of the best lives (as a class) in the world – a lot of the areas they live are really a paradise -, and of course a lot of this is helped by Russian money, Chinese money, etc.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Mitleser
  60. @Dmitry

    The bourgeois in the UK, live one of the best lives

    So what, that hardly balances the fact that a large part of Britain’s former working class has become a rather dysfunctional subproletariat.
    But I guess our perspectives on this are irreconcilable…after all you’re some kind of neoliberal and Pinochet admirer. Personally I loathe money-grubbing plutocrats and think it’s appalling if rich foreigners (many of whom are probably criminals) can just buy up property, they should be expropriated and expelled.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  61. Dmitry says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Tourist taste varies all over. But London is very attractive and interesting city from all kinds of levels.

    People complaining about it, is usually as a sign of people with no cultural interests, and would prefer to lie in a beach resort.

    Also shouldn’t be scared from visiting, by reports of scary negro gangs with knives. That’s only a problem for people who live in their blocks. Even then, they are not scary by world, or even American, standards, and might even be friendly to tourists.

    -

    Architecture in areas where the English bourgeoisie live, is like below. Some of the roads were clearly designed by elves

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  62. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Anglophilia is not a result of people buying property in London – the latter is just partly a product of anglophilia.

    The point is, of course it’s British people which are making money and benefiting from this, as from most other aspects of world anglophilia – and which Russian-speaking anglophilia is one very profitable part of an industry which is boosting the fortunes of British people.

  63. @Dmitry

    I find the “great” cities in Europe offensive and depressing owing to the presence of negroes and arabalonians who should be run out of the continent on a rail. The widespread presence of graffiti, which owes to the pathetic inability of Eurocucks to crack down on crime, also mars the experience.

    Generally it feels like…a funeral.

    And since I’ve been visiting Europe more or less yearly since I was a baby, I can see it deteriorating before my own eyes.

    Thus for vacation I’d rather go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Waters_Canoe_Area_Wilderness

    And yes, I realize many of the same dynamics are at work in America (though, generally, not graffiti). But the presence of non-whites, even mud monsters, in America isn’t viscerally offensive in the way it is in Europe for the simple reason that they have been here from day one.

    Also Russians, for their part, should stop patronizing their enemies. There were many Russians vacationing in the South of France when I was there, and many had Apple products. France is presently Russia’s enemy. To vacation in France and to purchase Apple products is, for a Russian, deeply unpatriotic.

    Buy a Xiaomi phone and vacation in Crimea instead.

    As for London, a Franco-American I made friends with was just in Moscow to speak at an investors’ conference. He confirmed Karlin’s report that Moscow is a SWPL paradise now. And you can speak your own language there. No need to visit London whatsoever.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Mitleser
  64. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    To vacation in France… vacation in Crimea instead.

    Officials are in an argument with officials of another country.

    In response order the collective farmers to lie on the pebbles in Alushta. And there’s less compatriotic cattle to embarrass your children living in – France.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi9sih3D-tz/

  65. @Dmitry

    France is a shit hole nowadays anyways.

    And if you look at how people embark/disembark the metro in that video, the pushing and shoving is more or less what you expect in China, which we all know is globally notorious for its manners. Very shocking. Also, notice how all the whites in the video, maybe a quarter of all the metro riders, have dead, defeated looks in their eyes.

    Any Russian who thinks the dump known as Paris is better than Moscow needs to get their head checked.

    • Replies: @DFH
  66. @Dmitry

    Peskov is perhaps the quintessential gopnik-to-government story.

    * Spokesman for Putin
    * Obviously, hilariously corrupt
    * Daughter in Paris
    * Former wife in Paris, made head of local Rossotrudnichestvo bureau; a liberal who hates Russia and was only fired when she denied entrance to Prilepin for his Donbass support;
    * Random chav son in Britain who was a no good criminal before Peskov père rediscovered him and furnished him with a playboy lifestyle in Russia (though the existence of random children around the world does indicate he’s a Chad);
    * Incredibly incompetent at his job, to top it all off.

    And I must have missed a few things.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  67. g2k says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Seriously? Where to start. The ability to find real open space and quiet, even nowadays. Mountain ranges. The Great Lakes. The vast and fertile Great Plains.

    We have those in the UK, albeit on a smaller scale. The place isn’t substantially more developed now than it was in the mid 20th century. In fact we have ridiculously restrictive building laws which mean London is surrounded by countryside (though quite heavily managed and not wilderness), inflating housing costs.

    The wonderful people of the upper Midwest and much of the South, Mountain West, and even more traditional people in the northeast and midatlantic.

    You could say the same about people in pockets of rural England.

    ****. The absence of a burgeoning, aggressive, violent Islamist population that is openly declaring its intent to subjugate brits, and openly doing so. ******

    What can I say, the Atlantic is bigger than the Mediterranean. I quite agree for the need to curtail additional large scale Muslim immigration, but, at the minute, I don’t feel particularly subjugated, except when our spineless government follows the US into yet more stupid middle eastern wars on the side of Islamists. The US chooses this policy, the UK follows.

    Some meaningful remnant of huge forests, of Christian Anglo/Greco-Roman civilization in places, and of the willingness to stand and fight back. All worse or less than they used to be, but all way better, more available, or more substantial than in England or the whole “uk.”

    Which is why Trump lost the popular vote and cucked within weeks of taking office. I won’t defend our useless government for a second but, at least brexit will likely happen, even in a watered down way; how’s the wall coming along? SJW ideology is also far more advanced on US college campuses and is now totally established in US corporate culture, though making fast inroads here as an American import. Sailer’s blog details the level of vitriol hurled at white males in US popular culture an respectable media outlets, we’re not at that level yet.

    The English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh did a wondrous thing founding, defending, and growing my country, the USA.

    Puritans were allowed to emigrate instead of being burned at the stake, for which we apologise.

    Be proud of England Or the uk and their history. But it’s headed into an even worse Hell, even faster, than the USA, and there’s even less chance of finding places to run and resettle there.

    I don’t particularly like the direction the UK is heading in, and have complete contempt for our successive governments, but this is a ridiculous exaggeration. Once again, I quite agree for the need to curtail excess immigration, especially Islamic, and to be less tolerant towards Muslim excesses (not siding with Islamists in the middle east will help with both), but If you seriously think that we’re at risk of some kind of sharia in the next 50 years then you’re delusional.

    Let’s compare and contrast the UK and US by how much we violate the the various Islamic no-nos:

    Booze-no contest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
    US liquor laws are stricter than some Arab countries. Alcohol consumption has declined here somewhat and pubs are closing, largely due to the 2007 smoking ban and health campaigns, but we have a long way to go.

    Pork-you beat us slightly: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Lifestyle/Food-and-drink/Pork/Consumption-per-capita

    Smuttiness:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/248856/average-number-of-sexual-partners-in-selected-countries-worldwide/

    You beat us (slightly) here, if it’s anything to be proud about. Third wave feminism and not Islam will be what seriously curtails male-female fraternisation in the near future.

    Can we now agree that for the UK to become a caliphate, they’ve got their work cut out?

    There are some things I like about the US; the first and second amendments, the lower cost of living, lower regulations (at least on a state level), the easier access to capital, but, that’s about it, and the first two will not survive post-Trump intact.

    • Replies: @DFH
  68. @AquariusAnon

    While the music in the second music is very American being RnB, but the video is surprisingly conservative and wholesome, like a throwback to a bygone era in the Anglosphere.

    Yes, and this reflects, I think, the kind of society that produced it, a society where romance is still alive and marital bliss is still the highest ideal. By contrast, the girls in that British video have the icy professionalism of a coked-up lap dancer at the end of her shift, dreaming about her next shopping spree (also note how they are all on the chubby side — it’s called pop culture for a reason).

    • Replies: @g2k
  69. g2k says:
    @Swedish Family

    Do I need to post a cherry picked smutty Russian pop video for balance. The girls are less overweight though:

  70. @g2k

    why is there a roll of paper towel in the right seat?

  71. DFH says:
    @AquariusAnon

    The Paris Metro seems a lot more negrified than the tube, don’t know why

  72. DFH says:
    @g2k

    Puritans were allowed to emigrate instead of being burned at the stake, for which we apologise.

    I used to walk past a spot where Mary burnt some ‘martyr’ daily and it always cheered me up

  73. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If you ever take the painful task of being a detective, and went through the instagrams of the little brothers in the family, it’s worse than you imagine.

    Annoying 12 year old kids – yet famous rappers, such as Geegun, are sucking up to them and writing comments under their photos, from their official channels.

    Also I recall through instagram discovering Ksenia Sobchak is a close friend of this whole family, with lots of photos with her, on holiday together including with older brother, father (when she was supposedly opposition), etc.

    Random chav son in Britain who was a no good criminal before Peskov père rediscovered

    He probably had a luxury life in England. Wasn’t he only there, to be in some kind of private schools before he was in the British prisons?

    • Replies: @Anon
  74. Mitleser says:
    @Dmitry

    Why is the UK, and British civilization, feeling like second home for people, especially educated people, around the world?

    Because of the English language which is usually their second language.

  75. Mitleser says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Also Russians, for their part, should stop patronizing their enemies. There were many Russians vacationing in the South of France when I was there, and many had Apple products. France is presently Russia’s enemy. To vacation in France and to purchase Apple products is, for a Russian, deeply unpatriotic.

    Buy a Xiaomi phone and vacation in Crimea instead.

    Reduce their wealth and promote (local) alternatives, and then they will do that.
    That is one of the main reasons why Russians drive much less import cars than they used to.

    According to Autostat data, the share of locally assembled vehicles in Russia has reached 82.2% within the first 8 months of 2017. This is the highest level in the history of the Russian automobile market. The share has risen by almost 2.5 percentage points in comparison with 2016 (up from 79.8%). Russian assembly automobiles formed less than two-thirds of the market five years ago (64.1% in 2012) and less than half of the market 10 years ago (44.3% in 2008).

    Almost all key players have their own production facilities in Russia now, alongside a preferential mode of industrial assembly or other preferences, according to the director of Autostat: Sergei Tselikov. At the same time, the ruble, which lost value against all key world currencies, has made the direct imports of cars less profitable. Only niche brands or models are being imported to the country currently.

    http://rusautonews.com/2017/09/28/new-record-the-share-of-russian-assembly-automobiles-has-risen-to-82/

  76. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hyperborean

    London is very niggerized and they all wanna be gangsta.

  77. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter

    When people talk about Muslim immigtants, while London has quite a few, the problematic types mostly live in Tower Hamlets among the Bangladeshi community, and in Hackney among Somalis. But even then, these are rather of the affluent variety.

    Certainly better than trashy Somalis in Minnesota…

  78. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry

    Ksenia Sobchak may actually be the opposition. Who do you think resents Putin more? Children, who have learned phrases from their pimp Navalny? Or rich people, who idolise the West?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  79. Dmitry says:
    @Anon

    The raison d’etre of the public activity of Sobchak, is some degree of narcissistic personality disorder, resulting in a lot of lies, exaggeration and self-dramatization, to bring attention to herself.

    She was saying a few years ago, how she worries about her personal safety – when in reality (if you do some of your own detective work), you discover at the same time she is friends with all kinds of officials and their families.

    Her politics are not that bad, and she has “high IQ” – but it’s a serious case of, narcissistic personality disorder.

    -

    As for daughter of Peskov – you could (maybe she covered herself now) laugh at her activity on social media, liking posts of Varlamov and so on.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
  80. @Dmitry

    WB Peskov’s daughter. 9.5/10

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  81. @g2k

    Do I need to post a cherry picked smutty Russian pop video for balance. The girls are less overweight though:

    Ha! That video is positively family-friendly beside something like Grivina’s Я хочу (one of the bigger hits of the year so far).

    Still, Russian music videos tend to be far less base than Western.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @AquariusAnon
  82. @AquariusAnon

    WB Peskov’s daughter. 9.5/10

    Yeah, she’s a looker.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Hyperborean
  83. Dmitry says:
    @Swedish Family

    face – mediocre; body is probably good. Otherwise it’s aesthetic accessorization of a rich girl, and of being 20 years old, and half a centimeter of makeup.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  84. Dmitry says:
    @Swedish Family

    Once it is the mainstream of pop, taste of music videos is very universal (universally bad) across the world. The biggest Rihanna fan I met abroad, was from Belarus.

    Videos by Ariana Grande, are of course getting far more views from youth (or even older) people in Russia (as with any European country), than any Russian domestic artists ever receive.

    Maybe Sweden (with England) is some exception in Europe of exportable pop, because things like Zara Larsson seemed to be exported.

    It’s in rap music, because of the language difficulty, that there is maybe more localization at the top. As the only contemporary music I listen to sometimes, I try to follow rap a little – but a lot of recent American rappers, I never even heard of. A lot of American rap is not even promoted at all outside America anymore.

  85. @Swedish Family

    Lol, Grivina, I’ve listened to the song back in 2017 when it first came out before she even became famous! This shows you how big of a Russophile I am.

    Turns out she’s from Abakan. If this is the direction that Russian youth are going, and that also includes some Godforsaken Siberian cities, there’s no way Sovokism can survive in Russia unless its run by totalitarian 70 year-old old guards.

    As I’ve always emphasized, SWPLism is needed in order for Russia to have long term economic, geopolitical, and racial prospects

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  86. @Swedish Family

    Her face is average – her body is impressive, but I suspect part of the reason is that I am comparing them to Asian women rather than European ones.

  87. Pizzaro says:

    Peter Hitchens noticed this phenomenon when he lived in the USSR, apparently middle-class people saw the UK as a civilised alternative form of modernity compared with the USA. There’s also a strain of pro-Russianism in the isolationist right here: Enoch Powell wanted an Anglo-Soviet alliance with Brezhnev.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  88. @Dmitry

    face – mediocre; body is probably good. Otherwise it’s aesthetic accessorization of a rich girl, and of being 20 years old, and half a centimeter of makeup.

    She does look plainer in motion. Well, at least she photographs well!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  89. @AquariusAnon

    As I’ve always emphasized, SWPLism is needed in order for Russia to have long term economic, geopolitical, and racial prospects

    What exactly do you mean by that? Social Justice Warriors? Or superficial things such as microbreweries?

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
  90. Dmitry says:
    @Swedish Family

    And expert on recruiting young people into – the shipbuilding industry

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  91. @Dmitry

    And expert on recruiting young people into – the shipbuilding industry

    A woman of many talents!

  92. @Swedish Family

    Definitely not SJWs.

    But the SWPL lifestyle like microbreweries, patio cafes, singers like Grivina, etc. so yeah, the superficial stuff while having a hardcore nationalist govt beholden to no foreign govts.

    There’s no reason for that Grivina song to not be played on the radio at least in Germany or France.

  93. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Pizzaro

    Enoch Powell wanted an Anglo-Soviet alliance with Brezhnev.

    Which in retrospect would have been an excellent idea.

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