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kouprianova-on-hbd

I have at times idly wondered about the relationship dynamics here, considering that IQ and crime *quantitative* data is one of the central planks of the Alt Right.

I am glad to see Nina has managed to finally resolve these “contradictions.”

The documents said that Spencer’s “controversial public life” has led “his entire family to be targets of violence,” and Spencer kept a loaded weapon in his bedroom that was “accessible by children” after he was “assaulted in public” on the day of President Donald Trump’s inauguration.

“Despite the risk to his family,” Koupriianova argued in court, “[Spencer] continues to engage in extremely polarizing public speech advocating ‘peaceful ethnic cleansing’ and a white-only ‘ethno-state’ which tends to invite passions and violence.”

Richard Spencer is pretty rich, or at least his family is, anyway. Large holdings of land in Louisiana and Montana. I think we all agree that Spencer doesn’t have much of a chance in these proceedings, whatever the facts of the case. (Apart from Richard Spencer being Richard Spencer, which screws him from the get-go, the emails appear pretty damning, assuming that they are not horribly out of context. Even if Kouprianova having a couple of children with Spencer – the latest this year, so it was conceived well after their “separation” – seems strange in light of her supposed fears about “further reprisal” by Spencer.)

Anyhow, it doesn’t really matter. Neither of them are likely to play any significant role in the future.

You know what is funny, though? This might well be the most significant result to date of “Putin Brain” Dugin’s 666D chess ploy to take over America through the Alt Right.

dugin-plot

Namely, his Dugin translator wife denouncing Spencer as an extremist, fleecing him of his wealth, and helping put what little remains of the moribund Alt Right out of its misery.

 
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  1. He also allegedly told her once, “I’m famous, and you are not! I’m important, and you are not!”

    Unfortunately that sounds like something Spencer might really have said, he always came across as rather narcissistic. He imagined himself as the charismatic leader of a movement, and now it seems like it will be remembered as a total failure.
    One shouldn’t gloat about his divorce and personal issues though, it’s pretty sad.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Eric Novak
  2. Richard Spencer may well be finished politically, but it is too early to say if the Alt Right is finished. The astute Paul Gottfried doesn’t think so, and he actually lives in the United States, unlike an overseas commentator like yourself.
    The 2 Party System will not survive the Economic Depression that will envelope the United States within the next few years. What replaces it will be very different. Will this include present day Alt Rightists in positions of power in American Nationalist parties ? I wouldn’t be surprised.
    Time will tell.

  3. @Verymuchalive

    Not Spencer-likes.

    These people probably would be challenged by the difficulty of setting up a dinner party, let alone the challenges of managing seeing projects from beginning to end as necessary for economic development and community construction. Its the same old O-ring problem, and these people clearly are very special and not in a good way.

    A good question is why these jokers keep getting into positions of authority.

  4. @Verymuchalive

    The Alt Right is dead. It’s brand is worthless.

    It is nationalism that is going strong. Probably. The polling evidence is mixed, but Generation Zyklon seems to be surprisingly based.

  5. Matra says:

    I didn’t know she had any interest in the world outside of Russia. When I read her tweets they were always along the lines of “Putin always right. Putin never wrong. Putin so strong”. Even when Spencer was in jail in Hungary she just kept on chugging with the Putin/Russia stuff with the occasional pot shot at ex-Soviet bloc countries.

    Maybe she’ll go back to Russia and live in the country she’s loyal to. I doubt it. Diaspora nationalists – Ukrainian, Jewish, Irish, Chinese – are all talk. Returning ‘home’ risks disappointment and facing a whole new reality.

    As for Spencer he could resurface, after a period of alcohol rehab, as a born-again liberal of some sort – perhaps with the help of Julia Ioffe. It’s pretty clear he hates conservatives (“they make my skin crawl”) more than liberals. He seems to dislike rooted people with local accents and interests in general. Not exactly normal characteristics for a nationalist of any kind.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @Jayce
  6. AaronB says:

    Lol at the quote at the top.

    I have never understood how any intelligent or self-respecting person could be interested in things like Game or HBD for more than a year or two.

    Some people get stuck in that stuff. Its like perpetual adolescence.

  7. Mitleser says:
    @Matra

    He seems to dislike rooted people with local accents and interests in general.

    So, he was a Nazi after all.

  8. Nina is one to talk about HBD. She’s a living example of normal variation, sitting at 4 sigma far right tail of the west Eurasian “breast size” distribution. Who could not be endlessly fascinated by these topics?

  9. @Anatoly Karlin

    That was the point I was making. The really capable Alt Right types will reappear in much more popular Nationalist Parties. One I was thinking of is Gregory Hood, often regarded as the main ideas man for the Alt Right.

  10. Jayce says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Nah. The only coherent remnants of the alt-right left are serving up Hannity jazzed up with cuss words and jew jokes until the fumes from 2016 give out entirely. Anyone who tries to tell you it’s “very much alive” is trying to hustle you into paying their rent.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    , @Iberiano
  11. Rule No. 1 for contemporary Western man:

    Never Get Married

    A legal system that’s heavily biased in favor of women creates moral hazard.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Spisarevski
  12. @Jayce

    It wasn’t me who was saying it, it was Paul Gottfried, a man much more knowledgeable ( probably ) than you, me and Karlin put together. Please read some of his works and increase your knowledge.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  13. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    Her quote is quite interesting. I guess we’re about to see if it can hold some sort of culture or civilization together. It’ll be interesting if HBD catches on in the most basic building blocks of civilization; human pairings and formation of the family.

    A business idea for the enterprising; an HBD dating site where people can fall in love with the person that has all the right genetics. IQ test is mandatory of course as well as a genetic profile including percentage and composition – that way one can filter out anyone with > amount of X ethnic background – you can’t be too careful, sometimes because the phenotype can fool:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2017/11/20/my-mother-spent-her-life-passing-as-white-discovering-her-secret-changed-my-view-of-race-and-myself/

    Once you get serious, the prospective person can open up the rest of their profile to you; including full genetic profile so that you can screen for bone density, intelligence, eye color, etc. That blonde with big breasts might be cute, but is her IQ up to par? You will know. And maybe she is not too bright, but carries potential for bright-enough kids. You will know.

    A well-written algorithm can then run the numbers for you and match up potential genetic variations so that you can actually see what your kids might look like (with percentages for what IQ range they might fall in, height, etc. – possibly even political/religious beliefs [since these are likely genetically determined]).

    It’ll take all the guess-work out of this so you can get straight to the romance!

    And…Oh my Lord! HBDating.com will be available after today!:
    Domain Name: HBDATING.COM
    Registry Domain ID: 2178266173_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
    Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.bizcn.com
    Registrar URL: http://www.bizcn.com
    Updated Date: 2018-05-08T13:05:53Z
    Creation Date: 2017-10-24T08:44:40Z
    Registry Expiry Date: 2018-10-24T08:44:40Z
    Registrar: Bizcn.com, Inc.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  14. The headlines really do feel more Deus Ex every day. Need more mysterious cyberpunk, though.

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
  15. There are pictures of Richard’s new girlfriend, she is ugly and a batshit leftist. I am too depressed to post them but you can search around for Megan Bobonick.

    They broke the guy. Not that I blame him. I guess the whole American establishment shitting on you with such force can be demoralizing.

    I watched 4 speeches and the Q&As he gave in universities, some of them live. The first two were inspiring. He was intelligent, good looking and was giving very good responses.

    Then the third one I watched (I remember Ruptly livestreaming it for some reason) was mostly autistic screeching of leftists trying to shut down the event with their loud animal noises. He still did his best to say some things, but it was sad to watch.

    The 4th one was even sadder – it was in front of 4 or 5 people total.

    The antifa and the police that supported them successfully intimidated people from attending his speeches, he stopped his university tour after that last one.

    America as a whole failed Richard Spencer, he stood for his people and they didn’t stand for him, not even for his basic right of free speech or that imaginary “anglo-saxon rule of law” that some naive autists are proud of.
    White people in America ultimately need someone like Richard, not the fake victories of Trump who hasn’t even built a wall yet and only wastes time in a system where defeat is already baked in.
    For all of Spencer’s faults as a leader, I haven’t seen anyone better stepping up.

    I’m not even shitting on America here. Good people who stand up for their people are demonized in every European country while the populace largely does nothing.
    Maybe nationalists always have to face the unpleasant question if it’s worth fighting for people who wouldn’t fight for you.

    Separate from all that, I don’t approve if he beat Byzantina. She may be a dumb titcow but hitting women isn’t cool unless they are hysteric. And even then, if you absolutely have to hit a woman, it should be only once, since the relationship should be ended after that. Much better to simply end it in a civilized manner, as you should if she’s so dumb or has done something so ugly or is so insufferable that she makes you want to raise your hand.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Amasius
    , @iffen
  16. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    Lol, theoretically that would be a funny idea that I’m sure some enterprising person could exploit that niche and make billions.

    I’m sure many here would trust an algorithm over the feeling in their loins over who they are attracted to :) Wait, HBD algorithms say I should be attracted to her even though I feel nothing, so I must be attracted to her and not know it!

    I get along with her great, but according to HBD I shouldn’t, so I must break up with her. Girls don’t like it when I try and run Game on them, but according to HBD they must, so obviously the girls are wrong and I must continue :)

    This kind of thinking is already here in embryo and sometimes even in full fledged form – and I do not doubt HBD could become the basis of a civilization, except it would be like a God or an Oracle and the logical elements in it discarded, which is already happening.

    • Replies: @Talha
  17. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    I should be attracted to her even though I feel nothing, so I must be attracted to her and not know it!

    Your genes know, they’ve always known – now you can hear them speak clearly to you for the first time! That’s all the algorithm does, let you know what you’ve always wanted all along but were simply confused.

    I get along with her great, but according to HBD I shouldn’t, so I must break up with her.

    No need – you will know that you should only string her along (this will make it an exact science) and never, EVER forget the condom!!! You will know.

    And the break up is easy; “I’m sorry, I was alerted earlier today that someone that meets my 95% genetic criteria is available. I’m sure you understand.” …and she will, since she is also into HBD.

    I’m sure some enterprising person could exploit that niche and make billions.

    “Deus Vult!”

    Peace.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @iffen
  18. utu says:
    @AaronB

    Spencer allegedly called her ‘genetically defective.’

    Good to see that her immune system rejected the toxins of HBD, IQ, Ayn Rand and libertarianism. She is right that for a normal person it should take at most 6 months to see intellectual poverty of these toxic doctrines.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  19. Tulip says:

    Richard Spencer will have a great future wherein he renounces racism, joins forces with the SPLC and ADL and takes to the lecture circuit, helping to root out racists under the bed and subliminally racist content in mass media.

    His narcissism, hunger for fame, cynicism, and intelligence will all serve him well as perhaps the last white goy anti-racist on the payroll.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  20. Jayce says:
    @Matra

    She’s pretty much a one-woman bad PR machine for Russia on the right. In its own way what she does can be almost as damaging as what the blue checkmarks do. That said, I’m mostly inclined to believe her in this case: these behaviors seem pretty consistent with some of the stuff acquaintances who knew him from The American Conservative and the Ron Paul days have mentioned.

  21. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    Lol, that was funny Talha.

    Yes, it will be a perfect and exact science. No more listening to messy feelings and noticing what your icky body is doing. You will have complete security and control through knowledge.

    You know, we’ve been thinking there must be some some sort of official break with science for religion to return, but science will just gradually slide into religion.

    Its already happening.

    Ultimately, being a slave of God or having your life decided by algorithm will have the same liberating effect, provided the algorithms become mysterious and random, which they will.

  22. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Spencer allegedly called her ‘genetically defective.’

    Lol, I didn’t know that. That’s hilarious. Its already transforming into religious language.

    She seems like a woman with healthy instincts.

    • Replies: @utu
  23. The alt-right isn’t over. It’s just started.

    Spencer is a bright and decent man and he will forge on.

  24. DFH says:

    I have asked it before, but I still do not understand why he married such an unattractive woman, when I am fairly sure he could have done better. Maybe he is just really into breasts

  25. DFH says:
    @Felix Keverich

    for contemporary Western man

    Is it much better in Russia?

  26. Talha says:
    @DFH

    why he married such an unattractive woman

    Maybe she has a really, really high IQ…? That would surely be worth something. Attractiveness is just part of the package – there are more important things.

    Peace.

  27. Ray P says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Gottfried now lives in France – for the past few years since his wife’s death – according to his recent columns on Unz.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  28. AaronB says:
    @DFH

    Generally, the more macho the guy, the less successful with women. You need a little bit if the feminine in you to be good with women, you need to have integrated your feminine side and not disowned it. Although Spencer seems to have somewhat owned his feminine side.

    But really, isn’t it obvious all this tough guy macho alt-right stuff is based on anxiety and insecurity?

  29. Jayce says:
    @DFH

    As a Duginist she was probably just the first woman he ever met who didn’t ask for the check when he started sperging out about Heidegger on the first date.

  30. Rosie says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The Alt Right is dead. It’s brand is worthless.

    It is nationalism that is going strong. Probably. The polling evidence is mixed, but Generation Zyklon seems to be surprisingly based.

    You know more than me about politics, Karlin, but I don’t see how you can separate White nationalism from the alt-Right. Has rebranding ever done any good. Whatever new brand comes along will be tarniyall the same, by any means necessary. They’ll get away with it, too. Helicopter pilots died as a result of Charlottesville’s deliberate sabotage, but nobody seems to care.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  31. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Your genes know, they’ve always known

    Your jeans have always known.

    • LOL: Talha
  32. DFH says:

    This whole story (and that of the alt-right more generally) is also a great example of why you shouldn’t drink

  33. @Felix Keverich

    It’s better to play the game with 50% chance of losing than not play at all and have 100% chance of leaving no offspring.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  34. Rosie says:
    @Spisarevski

    I agree with almost everything you said here, especially…

    They broke the guy. Not that blame him….I’m not even shitting on America here. Good people who stand up for their people are demonized in every European country while the populace largely does nothing.
    Maybe nationalists always have to face the unpleasant question if it’s worth fighting for people who wouldn’t fight for you.

  35. fnn says:

    I have at times idly wondered about the relationship dynamics here, considering that IQ and crime *quantitative* data is one of the central planks of the Alt Right.

    A lot of people on the Alt-Right liked Dugin for a while-despite his hostility to *everything* quantitative. Yockey seems to have been like that as well. IIRC, the French New Right briefly flirted with HBD and then moved back to Continental philosophizing. Maybe this is about opposition to the mode of thinking of the hegemonic Eternal Anglo.

  36. utu says:
    @AaronB

    Its already transforming into religious language.

    Exactly. Tracking the usage in language is a very good tool. When people make some IQ statements one should always try decouple from overtly quasi-scientific level and try to see what other meanings are there.

    • Agree: AaronB
  37. LondonBob says:

    Stonking Q3 results for Tesla.

    US stocks falling apart though, gold moves slowly upwards.

  38. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    I’ve never understood how any intelligent or self-respecting person could be interested for more than a year in things like whether Shanequa can legally abort her kid. But then, Im weird.

  39. notanon says:

    1) the alt-right is doing great at what it is best at – stealth meme warfare

    2) attempts to turn it into a street -fighting movement was imo a top-down attempt to create the conditions for repealing the #1A and #2A

    3) Spencer’s main achievement so far (alongside papadoc and rihanna) happened earlier this year, was in the realm of meme warfare and is metastizing nicely

    4) Dugin is disguised multicult

    5) HBD is the truth.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  40. [MORE]

    Dear Nina Kouprianova

    If you are now on board with the open and deliberate policy of race-replacing THE HISTORIC WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MAJORITY….well I got a modest proposal for you…..you fat fucking farting fucking whore….We will send our negros to Russia…the old time historic and the new arrivals from Nigeria…..and the Hindus…..Mexican-Salavadoran Gang Bangers also……And you get deported to the new and improved Russia….blessed by this diversity that you are so enamoured of….

    You fat fucking whore pig….

  41. notanon says:

    on the divorce itself – it’s clear he wanted to lead a public movement and not a stealth one but the last couple of years has proved the media and the courts were already too pozzed so not surprising the disappointment would cause domestic problems.

  42. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spisarevski

    What’s wrong with no offspring? So the next generation of the gene pool will be less like me. It’s unclear to me why I should give a shit.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @utu
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  43. @Anatoly Karlin

    Anatoly

    I hope not…for the Alt Right is all that stands in the way of POTUS KAMALA HARRIS igniting a nuclear war with Christian Russia. I greatly suspect this is the real reason for the Deep State hatred…..the ugly fucking midget Caroline Orr…Miss Awonk twitter girl…….of Donald Trump….Not that Donald Trump hasn’t bought the Planet’s intelligent Simian Population to within an epsilon of a hair’s breath away from extinction by Nuclear War. The real target are Donald Trump’s Native Born White Male Voters who are way more…several orders of magnitude….enamoured of Christian Russia and Vladimir Putin. The Alt Right had-has the potential to mobilize this Voting Bloc into an Anti-War Movement.

    BILL CLINTON IS A SERIAL RAPIST….HILLARY COVERED FOR BILLY….Richard Spencer in the relative comparison is a Saint….

    • Replies: @Iberiano
  44. Anonymous[982] • Disclaimer says:

  45. Rosie says:
    @notanon

    3) Spencer’s main achievement so far (alongside papadoc and rihanna) happened earlier this year, was in the realm of meme warfare and is metastizing nicely

    I’m stumped.

    • Replies: @notanon
  46. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous

    Your genes tell you you must care.

    You’re not gonna disobey your genes are you?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @notanon
    , @Anonymous
  47. @Verymuchalive

    Well, unlike Anatoly, I live in America. But I am pessimistic. The last time we got one of those massive economic depressions you talk about, we got FDR. And then we got the creation of the empire, and the demolition of traditional American conservatism. I’m not remotely convinced that we have the ability to create something good now.

  48. Perhaps someone out there in dimension U can post an excerpt from Morris Dee’s divorce proceedings….in the relative comparison…..even if all charges are true….Richard Spencer is a Saint….

  49. @AaronB

    Where were you raised?

    I was raised in something like the American heartland, and I’ll try to think from that perspective. Here, they suburbanized and monetized our agricultural way of life into bland nothingness. Then they stuffed the TV down our people’s throats, filled it with homogeneous crap, and, heck, they even ruined football. The new NFL tackle rules for the quarterback are flat out gay. And when you vote for the one guy, the one guy ever, who seems to say things how it is, they assault him without mercy, and he turns out to be a bit of a disappointment anyway. And, by the way, there’s so much debt that no matter how hard you work, it seems like there’s never any, any reward in this life. I mean, life was really hard when our ancestors got here and cleared the woodlands, but they at least had the satisfaction of putting up a nice stone house and a pretty chestnut bank barn. Only now, the chestnut trees are all dead (thanks to an invasive blight brought by global commerce) and you can’t afford the stone house because the Jews created speculative banking and property taxes. The liberals and Jews also went after the great common law tradition from every angle until all we have left is the Talmudic-type logic of corrupt judges. And do you have any idea how hard it is to get married? You have to be awfully damn smart, or lucky, to get out of these holes.

    Shoot, it’s almost like we were socially engineered to be anxious and insecure.

  50. What Native Born White America needs is the 2018-19 version of Bill Blizzard and his Coal Miner Army…and not just one copy…..

    Thought experiment:What if 100,000 NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS AMERICAN MEN had descended upon Charlottesville August 2017?…What would the faggot spoiled brat son of Howie Long do about it?…..fucking piece of shit…..

  51. NINA

    Are you casting your Slavic lot with the (((SPLC))) and the subhuman filthy fucking cockroach Morris Dees?

  52. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s unclear to me why I should give a shit.

    It is not up to you to decide. It is not up to you to ask questions. Actually there is no you. There are only genes running biological machines according the Almighty Evolution. You have no free will and everything is predetermined. Your consciousness is just an epiphenomenon. Just an illusion. There is a movie being played in your had for unknown reason that has no causative power. It is interesting though why the movies about the evolution are being played in some heads more than in others.

  53. Tulip says:

    White nationalism in America is a ticket to nowhere.

    A party needs to a party for everyone–granted, its is safe to exclude say at most 1% or 2% of the population from the mass party.

    “Whites” are maybe 60% of the U.S. electorate, so you are casting out 40% from the start.

    Then “whites” mostly don’t identify as “white”, won’t identify as “white”, and won’t associate with people who do. In fact, there is nothing more low class than a self-identifying “white person” despite all Richard Spencer’s preppy clothing. It’s like powerlifting, white bread, nascar and chewing tobacco.

    So at best, you are talking 15% of whites, maybe 30% percent if things go really sour.

    If you are trying to win an election, 30% of 60% is 20%, so you lose every time.

    If you want some kind of military coup, don’t you think someone at the pentagon has also thought of that and has taken steps to prevent it?

    If you are awaiting the angry white person rebellion, you’re crazy, and the guys with tanks and machine guns and nuclear bombs will just mow down the crowd in an instant if they get the order.

    No, white nationalism is up there with Stalinism as far as a viable American political ideology. No, it has to be nationalism, cultural nationalism, not racialism to be viable.

  54. Rosie says:
    @DFH

    I have asked it before, but I still do not understand why he married such an unattractive woman, when I am fairly sure he could have done better. Maybe he is just really into breasts

    He liked her?

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @notanon
  55. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    Can’t jailbreak the OS…

    Peace.

  56. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:

    Any news/details re sex life? Could he satisfy her? Lots of marriages break down because of sexual incompatibility that then gets expressed in bitter fighting and physical and verbal abuse.

    • Replies: @Tulip
  57. Alt right equivalent of People Magazine and TMZ

  58. Tulip says:
    @Anonymous

    I always figured she was his beard, which would explain why she is not particularly stunning physically. Phyllis Gates wasn’t stunning either.

  59. @Tulip

    Agree. It works much better in Europe than in the US, due to parliamentary systems and better media coverage. In America unless you’re running under one of the two major parties, you get almost no coverage and have almost no shot at office. There is much more white pride in Russia and Europe, but, paradoxically enough, much more liberalism in Europe too.So both extremes of the political spectrum are better-represented.

    • Replies: @utu
  60. DFH says:
    @Rosie

    Yeah, she really strikes me as a girl with a winning personality.

  61. @whahae

    He sure knows how to pick ‘em.

    Almost like Romeo and Juliet or this classic meme:

  62. @Tulip

    [MORE]

    Your making the following assumptions that the majority Nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc will 1)abandon Racial Nationalism….2)A Majority nonwhite America will be very kind to the Native Born White American Minority…….3)high paying middle class jobs can be created for both Native Born White American Males …….and Democratic Party Voting Bloc Nonwhite Males….very very dubious assumptions…..and this leaves only one alternative for Working Class Native Born White American Males…..NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN RACIAL NATIONALISM!!!!

    There are limits to growth….and growth doesn’t pay for itself….2 billion “Americans” mostly nonwhite=fucking stinking reeking toilet bowl from hell….actually HELL!!! at that point in time would be a relative paradise…by comparison….

  63. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH

    I have asked it before, but I still do not understand why he married such an unattractive woman, when I am fairly sure he could have done better. Maybe he is just really into breasts

    According to the convos doxxed on /pol/, it was that and the anal sex.

  64. notanon says:
    @AaronB

    Your genes tell you you must care.

    nah – desire for children and lack of desire for children will probably be in balanced selection like most behavioral traits (for obvious reasons) so some people will have low desire, some high and most in the middle

    nb this is why when you shift from a culture where women were more or less forced to have lots of kids for millennia to one where they have a choice the average innate desire might be quite low (as it hasn’t been selected for for millennia – maybe even selected against cos mortality in child birth?) hence why once you shift to a choice based culture over time the women with the most desire for kids will spread those genes through the gene pool and the birth rate will go up.

  65. notanon says:
    @Rosie

    he’s big into politics, philosophy and all that jazz – not many women equally into that – i imagine that was part of it

    • Replies: @Rosie
  66. Anne Lid says:

    Sharpie eyebrows are warning signs.

    • Agree: iffen
  67. utu says:
    @grey enlightenment2

    There is much more white pride in Russia and Europe

    There is no white pride in Europe. Europeans do not have the concept of them being white the way Americans do. Look at the discussions conducted here between Russians and Ukrainians. Anything white about it? The point is that being white is not a part of conscious identity in Europe. To be white you need to have blacks around. Only then you begin thinking in terms of white. Europe ethnic neighborhoods in America did no think about themselves as whites. It was Italian or Polish or Irish. When blacks begin to move to their neighborhoods (partly by consciously planned government programs to destroy these neighborhoods) they ended up the concept which really belonged to the South.

    America is in a different situation because of (1) slavery and (2) being the nation of immigrants so no narrative advocating a special place and role for whites (ex Europeans) is possible.

    In Europe it is still possible to make claims on the base of European identity and nationalism. But with every non European immigrant admitted to Europe they claims will be weaker.

    Nationalism <– Nation <– Nasci = To be born

  68. Anonymous[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Kouprianova’s criticism of IQ if reflective of the pseudo-intellectual’s fear of the truly intelligent. The 115 IQ pseudo-intellectual makes his living by convincing his 100 IQ readership that he’s really smart via convoluted arguments his readers mistake for profound thoughts they are unable to fully grasp. The 130 IQ HBDer who knows how to run a regression analysis, he can point out to the pseudo-intellectual’s bullshit. So even if he agrees with HBD, the pseudo-intellectual fears the HBD-er, preferring that he stick to publishing in academic journals and stay away from the pseudo-intellectual’s terf.

    The whole business is a great counterpoint to all the 14-worders denouncing MGTOW as a “Jewish plot to undermine the White family.” Yeah Spencer never said that, but lots of his fans did. Well look at Spencer, rich, charismatic, good-looking, and married to a “right-wing” woman. Yet he’ll still get thrown into the merciless meat-grinder of the family court. I’m not happy at his misfortune. But it shows that tradcon white nationalism isn’t viable.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Toronto Russian
  69. Dmitry says:

    I thought we discussed this topic a few months ago?

    His wife was somehow of Georgian origin.

    So in US-Russian “trolling relations”, it’s like equivalent of a nationalist leader in Russia, deciding to marry a woman from Puerto Rico. Moreover, this woman would advocate for the philosophy of pan-Americanism, where North America becomes integrated with the South American world.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  70. Amasius says:
    @Spisarevski

    After Charlottesville the realization occurred to me that Whites simply didn’t want what he was selling. The vast majority of Whites are convinced that White identity is evil. That’s it. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. Pretty obvious in retrospect, but I was in the echo chamber.

    I’m not even shitting on America here. Good people who stand up for their people are demonized in every European country while the populace largely does nothing.
    Maybe nationalists always have to face the unpleasant question if it’s worth fighting for people who wouldn’t fight for you.

    Agreed. That’s why I for one have stopped caring. I’m lucky in that I have other interests to pursue and keep myself occupied, but it must be really rough for the committed true believers who earnestly desire a better future. I was listening to David Duke last night and he was going on about “Mr. Trump, for god’s sake they want to kill you! They want to kill your family!” and all I could think was: “Duke, they hate you. Trump hates you. His family hates you. Eric Trump called for you to be assassinated, saying you “deserv[ed] a bullet.”

    So yeah, it’s sad all the way around, but it is what it is.

  71. Anonymous[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Not sure if this is serious or not, but if my genes were telling me to do something, you wouldn’t have to talk me into it. I’d just do it. It would be hard to talk me out of it.

  72. utu says:
    @Tulip

    White nationalism in America is a ticket to nowhere.

    Agree. But nationalism that stops immigration and freezes the racial status quo is possible. And if you want to accomplish it you must find a way how to co-opt blacks to nationalism. They feel strongly against immigrants. With them a moratorium on immigration would have a democratic majority support.

    It has to be explained to blacks that they will be better off if the status quo of white dominant role is maintained than in the alternative that they often unwittingly support. They have to understand that their guilty tripping works on whites only. The affirmative action will last as long as whites have dominant role. Once whites are out of power there will be no affirmative action.

    The IQism and HBDism will harm any chances of bringing blacks on the board.

    The IQists among the nationalist who apparently are not the smartest people never seem to understand that high IQ cohesive ethnic groups that practice group strategies of advancement are a bigger threat to their country than low IQ groups. In the worst case the low IQ groups will have to be supported by the welfare pogram while the high IQ cohesive ethnic groups are actively working to send the IQists nationalists to the welfare program.

  73. @Dmitry

    Correct, though you missed out a crucial detail:

    Said Puerto Rican woman would also countersignal actual American nationalists back in the US…

    … up to and including approving of their political persecution by GloboHomo.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Gerard2
  74. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    The 130 IQ HBDer who knows how to run a regression analysis

    Can you be more clear on that regression analysis? How it would be used to formulate the argument about “the pseudo-intellectual’s bullshit?”

  75. I can see why the judge insisted on making the details of this divorce public, despite the objections of both parties. Look at how it feeds the political rodents!

    • Replies: @notanon
  76. notanon says:
    @Amasius

    After Charlottesville

    it became obvious the courts could and would railroad nationalists with total impunity which made Spencer style politicking impossible and forced people to go samizdat

  77. Matra says:

    RS is on right now talking about it on Heel Turn for those interested.

  78. notanon says:
    @Cagey Beast

    yes – another example of the courts showing their true face

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  79. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    always came across as rather narcissistic

    This is real motivation, and “political activism” is a method to receive attention within America so it is subsidiary in this case.

    If you want (really want) attention, from media in America, what set of political beliefs would you select, in order to create the maximum attention? (Exactly – the ones he chooses).

    If a child in class, wants more attention, and for people to look at them and talk about them (this is their highest desire and enjoyment) what strategies should they utilize? Statements and behaviour which breaks school norms, certain statements, unusual clothing, etc.

    Behaviour which breaks school norms (in this case an unacceptable, but not dangerous, political beliefs), is just the subsidiary part, or instrument for receiving attention.

    In America today, there are many options for receiving national media attention (which is like winning lotteries for this personality type), such as reality television. Richard Spencer, in 2016, was successfully able to be a small part of America’s largest reality television – the Presidential election.

    about his divorce and personal issues though

    The reason for the political activism was to receive attention. So this kind of personality, enjoys surely the aspect of how there is attention again, people like us talking about him on blogs, etc.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  80. @Daniel Chieh

    Turns out they were “egregious” PVC bombs with bad wiring and timers incapable of detonating anything.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  81. @Amasius

    It is far from obvious that what you wrote is true…for the Democratic Party is fearful enough of the Alt Right message that they are using Police State violence to stomp the Alt Right out of existence. This is a very strong indication that The Democratic Party is very fearful that the Alt Right message has the great potential to infect the mind of millions of WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE A MERICAN MALES….I believe the Democratic Party is right about this….

  82. @Tulip

    [MORE]

    Tip toe through the tulips….through the tulips…today…

    Kumbaya my Lord…Kumbaya…

    GODZILLA STOMPS ON BAMBI!!!!!

  83. @utu

    Blacks can’t be brought on board…..The Democratic Party is waging a war of extermination against Working Class Native Born White American Males….A line has been crossed……You are going to learn a very painful lesson……Blacks are part of the Democratic Party Coalition…..

  84. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Also owner and manager of this website (Ron Unz) is another example – in the front page, it also seems to be desperately trying to receive attention from people through breaking school norms, but very specifically, he is trying to receive attention from Jews.

    He wants Jews very specifically to give him attention, and this is obviously related to his own family. I usually just click to Karlin’s blog, but when sometimes pass from the main page – and you see the whole page covered with “stars of david”, and various troubled teenager style calling for attention from Jews.

    The funny thing is, whole front page of website is all about Jews. But did Jews actually notice the website, apart from one or two who are here, and demographics do not seem renewed following Greasy’s departure.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  85. Rosie says:
    @notanon

    he’s big into politics, philosophy and all that jazz – not many women equally into that – i imagine that was part of it

    Truth. Lots of guys really like that. I know whereof I speak.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  86. @War for Blair Mountain

    Well…that’s the way I feel about her at the moment…. If Nina is onboard with post-1965 race-replacement Immigration Policy….then Nina is my enemy…….

    [MORE]

    If Nina lost 50 pounds she would be attractive….like she use to be…….

    Larger point:The Democratic Party is attempting to crush Richard Spencer out of existence…..There is no way the marriage could survive this……But it does indicate very powerfully that the Democratic Party believes that the Alt Right message has the great potential to infect the brains of millions of WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES…..I think the Democratic Party is right about this….

    A line has been crossed by the Democratic Party….They are very close to saying that young White Couples having large White Families is a hate crime against the majority nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc…..fags like utu and Tulip are advocating Civic Nationalism CUCKHOLDERY as a response to this…….

  87. @notanon

    Extreme stress will destroy a marriage…every time….

    • Agree: Rosie
  88. @utu

    My view of IQ testing psychometrics is that it is 100 percent irrelevant to the post-1965 race-replacement issue….And with massive Asian Legal Immigration…. IQ Tests are being used to track WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN TEENAGE MALES into the canon fodder track….off to Afghanistan….Iraq….Syria….and it is for this reason, that IQ tests should be abolished….and the 1888 Chinese Exclusion Act must be brought back…

  89. Dmitry says:
    @Rosie

    It’s not so much that is attractive, but it gives you reason to “hang out together” (someone sharing your hobby).

    But you know, he wants attention (and a real celebrity now), and she was probably listening to him talking.

  90. Looks like the Alt Right has achieved Brad Pitt and Angeline Joline tabloid celebrity status….

  91. Twinkie says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    emails appear pretty damning

    As you once wrote of Alt Right, Mr. Karlin, “only the finest people,” yes?

  92. Bebe25 says: • Website
    @War for Blair Mountain

    How do you put people like Steve Sailer out to pasture since they are part of the problem.

    • Replies: @utu
  93. Bebe25 says: • Website
    @War for Blair Mountain

    I you really want white nationalism to work as an ideology, a suggestion is to basically convert it to a secular quasi religion.

  94. utu says:
    @Bebe25

    Indeed he is a problem.

  95. @Peripatetic commenter

    I think it’d be pretty funny if someone send out PVC with spring-loaded confetti, this should fit the minimum definitions of “pipe bomb.”

    • Replies: @songbird
  96. @Anatoly Karlin

    Is that merely a semantics/optics/branding difference, or is there a substantive difference in your view between Alt-Right views and nationalism?

    • Replies: @Nznz
    , @Tyrion 2
  97. @War for Blair Mountain

    I’ve probably created more jobs for white Americans in the last month than you have in your lifetime.

  98. Bebe25 says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh

    Are you asserting that a US with the demographics of Sweden in 1935 would not be able to create jobs for white Americans without Asians like you creating jobs? Wasn’t it white business people who created all those jobs on the transcontinental railroad that brought all you userpers here? And it doesn’t matter if your IQ is 100000000 or you can your cancer with your tears. You people are still userpers and never deserves to be here in the first place, and the fact that you built the atomic bomb with your bare hands will never ever change that fact.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Old Jew
  99. I can’t say I’m that surprised, and I doubt Spencer’s status as a public figure will ever recover. (Though I suppose David Duke’s fanbase, who consider the good Dr. Duke an upstanding Christian gentleman, has grown considerably recently, despite his past indictment for tax evasion and defrauding his gullible supporters for gambling money.)

    Spencer has a certain charisma—a projected air of being a Carlylean great man of history— that draws some right-wing people into becoming devoted acolytes of his, presumably in the hopes of catching some reflected glory when he becomes Führer of the ethno-state Any Day Now. (For instance, his former sidekicks Colin Liddell and Greg Conte.)

    Yet Spencer never seems to have been very good at actually accomplishing anything. weev writes:

    Richard Spencer has been a source of catastrophic loss for all who stand beside him.

    Brimelow and Taylor spent tons of their time and resources to put Spencer in the place he was in and he turned around to burn them. I don’t like Brimelow or Taylor, but I like disloyalty even less. I don’t build up trust with people only to fuck them to feed my own drunken narcissism later. If Spencer hadn’t of burned them he’d be an actual lobbyist on the beltway working for the interests of white Americans, but he managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    His repetitious stint as a publisher has not worked out so well. Taki thrived better under editors that came after him. AlternativeRight.com, Washington Summit, and Radix Journal were abandoned. He keeps doing the same thing and not realizing the constant in these failures is him.

    I personally find Spencer’s writings and public speeches often quite thought-provoking; for instance, he wrote an insightful essay about race, the NFL and modern American masculinity, and his discussions of film are generally pretty intelligent. However, if you’re expecting him to massively shift public opinion or succeed at some form of political organization/activism, you’ll probably be perpetually disappointed.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    , @notanon
    , @Matra
  100. Bebe25 says: • Website

    I mean usurpers, but that still does not change the validity of my point by one jot.

  101. Nznz says: • Website
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Are alright blood and soil nationalists?

  102. Bebe25 says: • Website

    And furthermore the first white man set foot on American soil at a time when the Ming dynasty was still running the show in Peking, and have been here for a longer period of time than any Chinese dynasty in existence save the Han.

  103. @Bebe25

    An excellent example of your incapability, as displayed through textual format.

  104. @Twinkie

    The Daily Stormer—probably the most widely read Alt-Right publication—has been quite explicit in exhorting its readers to adhere to a high standard of personal virtue and physical fitness to better represent its cause, e.g.:

    https://dailystormer.name/self-help-sunday-be-a-good-man/

    (Indeed, I suspect that you would agree with most, though not all, of Anglin’s dicta in the linked article.)

    That doesn’t necessarily invalidate your point. However, it seems significant to me that the most influential Alt-Right leader, Andrew Anglin, has repeatedly explicated and emphasized the importance of personal virtue in building a successful political movement.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Twinkie
  105. @Stolen Valor Detective

    Is he the most influential?

    I do give him kudos for being able to maintain the operation of his website. That took some technical chops.

  106. @Anonymous

    Well look at Spencer, rich, charismatic, good-looking, and married to a “right-wing” woman. Yet he’ll still get thrown into the merciless meat-grinder of the family court.

    Just a thought, maybe it wouldn’t happen to him if he abstained from doing stuff like this?

    “I was very sick with the stomach flu, could not keep food or water down, and wanted to stay in bed recovering. Mr. Spencer wanted to watch a movie downstairs and did not take ‘no’ for an answer,” she wrote. “He dragged me out of bed by my arms, legs, and hair, dragged me down the stairs, and threw me onto the couch. At that point he calmed down and turned on his movie. The incident resulted in bruises.”

    I think she’s telling the truth – the situation is too crazy and atypical to be made up.

  107. @AaronB

    Aaron,

    You’ve written a spate of very good comments lately, to which I did not reply due to immediate constraints of time. But this one gets my hearty endorsement, and I could not pass it up without agreeing.

    It’s about time that the blind alleys of HBD and game are finally being ground out of Far Right discourse. We’ve lost a lot of time on these subjects. Some much better and more profitable avenues would be Traditional Christianity, perennial philosophy, and critiques of neo-liberal economics, democracy, and technology.

    There’s a continent’s worth of fresh lands to be cultivated here. The harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    , @DFH
    , @neutral
    , @AaronB
  108. @Daniel Chieh

    I think so, at least insofar as one restricts “Alt-Right” to mean “open ethno-nationalism.” (Otherwise you could reasonably argue that someone like Mike Cernovich, Paul Joseph Watson, et cetera, is more influential.) More people put their eyeballs on the content he produces than that of any other Alt-Right figure, as Anatoly has documented:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/state-of-the-altsphere-2018/

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/state-of-the-altsphere-2017/

    I suppose one could argue that other figures have higher quality but lower quantity followings, which means that they are as or more influential. I would be perfectly happy to hear such an argument elaborated, but in the absence of contrary evidence I stand by my original statement.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  109. @Stolen Valor Detective

    I think I’m liable to agree, especially with Spencer going into the toilet. As far as I’m aware, Anglin does seem to be the last one standing. But of course, the true leader of the Alt-Right shall always be Bronze Age Pervert.

  110. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:

    The anal stuff is not going to help with the persistent gay rumors.

  111. @War for Blair Mountain

    …and it is for this reason, that IQ tests should be abolished

    Unless you’re ESL, I can’t help but wonder if, judging by your comments on this thread, you might have a different, more personal, reason for wanting to abolish IQ tests.

  112. @Stolen Valor Detective

    To add a more substantive point: as anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of history should be aware, lower-class men have been used as cannon fodder since long before the first serious research into psychometrics was conducted. Indeed, IQ tests, and specifically their use in the armed forces, probably have the opposite effect of what War for Blair Mountain claims, because they identify talented individuals from modest backgrounds who lack personal connections to the powerful.

  113. @Stolen Valor Detective

    [MORE]

    I’m just stating the facts and a simple and obvious point about the consequences of a severe labor scarcity. In 2018, , IQ Tests are used to track the Native Born White American Working Class Male Population into the canon track. If the 1965 Nonwhite Legal Immigrant Increase Act had not been passed, US Society would have had no other option but to turn inward and develop the Native Born White American Working Class for the Tech labor Markets……rather than developing the youth of India and China for these jobs. And this was basically what was done after WW2 before the nasty consequences of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act kicked in.

  114. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Was it the mention of Chinese exclusion acts that made you angry?

    If immigration is to be stopped it will be stopped to Chinese as well regardless of their talents for job creation abilities.

    Did not know that you could be so touchy.

  115. @Daniel Chieh

    There is no econ0mic case for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority in California with Asians….How did Native Born White America manage to survive when there were hardly any Asians in America?…Answer: very well!!!!

  116. @Bebe25

    That will happen when millions of Native Born White Americans change the way they think about things. I believe Democratic Party Insiders and Republican Party Insiders understand this very obvious point and it is the reason why they want to crush the Alt Right out of existence.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  117. Twinkie says:
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Most men who achieve those things wouldn’t be in the Alt Right. They’d be busy achieving those things, i.e. living life well.

    I agree with most of that “Be a man” advice, but disagree with the gratuitous disparagement of women, which reeks of personal failures on his part to appeal to/attract them.

  118. @German_reader

    What failure? Nothing much has changed except for Twitter removals. Everyone is still online. As for (((Anatoly Karlin))), perhaps he need leetle beet of Eenglish composeetion and grammar help. Half of what he writes is an error.

  119. @utu

    The Chinese in America are creating jobs for their own Racial Kind in the US….

    [MORE]

    And this is why Native Born White Americans are now a White racial minority in post-white California…Native Born White American Men are now visibly represented in the h0meless population in Southern Calofornia…and the Chinese Overlords in Southern California view them as a threat to their property values.

    I have a very low opinion of Steven Miller…He was no doubt coaching Trump for his Wisconsin Pep Rally today….for who else would be responsible for the Trump’s comment about:”ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HARMS LEGAL IMMIGRANTS”…wow isn’t Steven Miller really clever…..This is the “clever” talking point sewage that is pumped out by DC Policy Wonk Immigration Reform Organizations…..

    • Replies: @utu
  120. @Intelligent Dasein

    Those are some mighty fine Cuckservative topics that have succeeded so well in the past 50 years that we are compelled to try them yet again. Then we can all get behind Mitch McConnell’s amnesty and proposal to raise visa limits to infinity with fine arguments about Medieval philosophy to argue against it.

  121. @Stolen Valor Detective

    Peter Brimelow and Jared Taylor were going to have Spencer lobby for their organizations?

  122. @Eric Novak

    Was it Boethius who proposed the following very deep question:How many pinheads can dance on a Cuckservative’s head?

  123. DFH says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    perennial philosophy

    I can’t believe there are still people who fall for this meme.

  124. Gerard2 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    yes, but the facts remain that all patriots with an English language blog seem to despise you for anti-Russia/5th columnist work. They can’t all, independently be wrong.

    No doubt you did a mostly excellent post on the Orthodox schism, but other than that the blog is a neverending promotion of the lies from freaks like Bershidsky.

    Your brand of “Russianism” appears to be a bizarre cross between Vlasov and Kara-Murza…and why does a guy brought up in America speak ( in English) in a Russian accent so heavy that it is as if he has never gone further west then Pskov?

    Anybody not find it odd also that Karlin had nothing to say when the probable hamster freak, inspired by America, and with a freak Jehovah’s witness as a mother (i.e America) killed all those people in Kerch, Crimea, last week? Gun rights, Russia, Russian students killed , Crimea, America , everything……. but Karlin is more interested in gay rights or fake outrage at the ( halal-compliant) work at the Saudi Embassy in Turkey this month.

    • Replies: @utu
  125. yes, but the facts remain that all patriots with an English language blog seem to despise you for anti-Russia/5th columnist work. They can’t all, independently be wrong.

    And yet, unlike Karlin, these patriotic people have not returned to Russia.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Gerard2
  126. I just realised – does Dugin actually understand English?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  127. @Hyperborean

    Yes.

    Moreover, this partly explains why he is the best (really the only) known modern Russian “nationalist” philosopher. He has been uniquely active in networking with and promoting his ideas to foreigners.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Dmitry
  128. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Last time America got into such a deep Depression, it was nearly 90% white. Socially, it was the same country that came out as went in, even if politically it was starting to change.
    Now Non-Hispanic Whites constitute 62% of the population. Large parts of the South-West and California are overrun by mestizos, many illegal immigrants. Many large cities are overrun by recent 3rd World immigrants, many again illegal.
    Since Clinton, the Balance of Trade Deficit has reached $12 trillion ( unadjusted ) and the Federal Deficit over $20 trillion. Very little of the latter has a chance of being repaid, since the manufacturing industries which provided the taxation have been offshored or are long gone. Even an Economic Nationalist like Pat Buchanan concedes that many industries have been lost for good.
    Unlike the 1930s, the US will face, not Economic Depression, but Economic Collapse. The loss of the Dollar’s status as the World Reserve Currency will result in catastrophic, Venezuela-like inflation. Import substitution will not be possible over very large areas because there are no industries left to produce substitutes. So Americans will continue to have to import lots of manufactured goods until the currency finally collapses and makes it financially impossible.
    With Financial and Economic Collapse will come Political Collapse. The present political order will be transformed.

  129. @Hyperborean

    It’s also a lie.

    For instance, I (rather unusually) have good relations with the people behind both Russia Insider and the Duran. Both of those are now far bigger than any individual English language Russian “patriotic” blog. Many other examples but not going to drop names for the satisfaction of a boorish troll.

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  130. @utu

    It’s more the long, repetitive and incoherent spam that annoyed me enough to troll him. His overall disengagement from anything that resembles reality gets quite silly after awhile.

    And while I try not to waste too much time on the mentally imbalanced but every now and then, a sentence is worth it.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @DFH
    , @utu
    , @iffen
  131. neutral says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Traditional Christianity, perennial philosophy, and critiques of neo-liberal economics, democracy, and technology

    Those all mean nothing if there are no white people any more.

  132. DFH says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    He (and Denis Kearney) are correct though. All of you should be forcibly expelled from North America.

    • Disagree: iffen
  133. Nznz says: • Website

    When was the last year that the West was considered sane culturally speaking, was it the late 90s? As late as 1998 more than 40 percent of White Americans were still opposed to White Black interracial marriage.

    • Replies: @Tulip
    , @neutral
  134. Nznz says: • Website
    @DFH

    Raising the national IQ level by 5 points is worth genociding a race that has been there ever since Toyotomi Hideyoshi was still planning on taking Korea.

  135. Nznz says: • Website
    @DFH

    If someone told you in 1890 that in 3 years the House of Romanov will be gone people would have called that person insane.

  136. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I have listened to him few time and he was not very articulate in English. It was tiring.

  137. utu says:
    @DFH

    What about Poles in the UK? Didn’t you say that you were Polish or partly Polish?

  138. utu says:
    @Gerard2

    speak ( in English) in a Russian accent

    He pretends? Did CIA replace the real Karlin with their double and overdid on the accent?

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  139. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    This ” NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN” is a perfect exhibit A (ideally in the glass jar with formaldehyde) to the comment by Tulip above.

    • Replies: @Bebe25
  140. Bebe25 says: • Website
    @utu

    After the two of you get blown up by an IED or a truck bomb, or maybe after you get blown up an IDF LGB?

  141. iffen says:
    @Spisarevski

    Maybe nationalists always have to face the unpleasant question if it’s worth fighting for people who wouldn’t fight for you.

    Given that millions and millions and millions have died for nationalism, and that most countries have a legendary, semi-mythical, sometimes god-like founder that sometimes is, for all practical purposes, worshipped, I’d guess that it’s your brand of nationalism that’s gumming it up.

    • Replies: @Nznz
    , @Spisarevski
  142. Nznz says: • Website
    @iffen

    It depends if that brand of nationalism has the support of the TPTB?

    • Replies: @iffen
  143. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    that annoyed me enough

    Recently a comment by Talha triggered me. I knew I was triggered but it took me a while to understand exactly why. As it turns out I was “properly” provoked. I am not sure if this is a good thing or bad thing for me.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Daniel Chieh
  144. Gerard2 says:
    @utu

    He pretends? Did CIA replace the real Karlin with their double and overdid on the accent?

    Possibly. It was on the RT show CrossTalk. For a guy who hadn’t lived any particular time in Russia…….it was extremely heavily Russian accent

    • Replies: @utu
  145. @iffen

    Given that millions and millions and millions have died for nationalism, and that most countries have a legendary, semi-mythical, sometimes god-like founder

    I was talking more about the present.

    The past is another depressing question. Who among European or American nationalists can honestly say “we are worthy sons of our ancestors, of our heroes”?

    • Replies: @Tulip
  146. iffen says:

    can honestly say “we are worthy sons of our ancestors, of our heroes”?

    I like Tom Brokaw’s “The Greatest Generation.” I think of mine as “The Not So Great Generation.”

  147. Iberiano says:
    @Jayce

    Vox Day is still talking about the future of Alt-right and that it is “inevitable”. Are you saying His Majesty is wrong?

    • Replies: @notanon
  148. Iberiano says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    I don’t think its too far out to imagine another non-white getting in charge and attempting to utilize the US military to take down another (mostly) homogeneous white society. She will be much much more anti-white than obama was. Less pretense about it too.

    • Replies: @notanon
  149. AaronB says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thank you, Dasein.

    Some much better and more profitable avenues would be Traditional Christianity, perennial philosophy, and critiques of neo-liberal economics, democracy, and technology.

    I agree with this. Hopefully things will shift in this direction.

  150. neutral says:
    @Nznz

    Western civilization died in 1942 at the battle of Stalingrad, all that came after was not Western, even more so it was fanatically anti Western.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  151. Epigon says:
    @neutral

    You have a very interesting definition of Western right there.

    • Replies: @neutral
  152. neutral says:
    @Epigon

    No, the “interesting” definition is the one that claims Western civilization is about universal equality, free speech, free markets, blah blah, blah. If you make this claim then you need to tell me what that was from the around the years 400 to 1950, because none of that can be called Western civilization if one uses the universal equality,…, definitions.

  153. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Verymuchalive

    It is called nationalism and anybody with half a brain should be supporting it. Just as any North Korean with half a brain would be desirous of greater globalism.

    Too much heat, you burn. Too much cold, you freeze. This doesn’t mean the exact middle is some sort of easy answer but when you’re living in a time as extremely blue-flame globalist as ours, even an orange flame would be cooling.

    That doesn’t mean we should take our politics to zero Kelvin though, and start narcissistically LARPing about as liquid Nazigen.

    (I do hope Spencer gets a fair deal in court.)

  154. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Nobody seeming to care is not a symptom of success.

    Don’t shoot the messenger.

  155. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    In our current political conversation, nationalism is any political force that seeks to put any substantial priority on the interests of the citizens when making decisions about the political framework of the country.

    What is the Alt Right?

  156. notanon says:
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    If Spencer hadn’t of burned them he’d be an actual lobbyist on the beltway working for the interests of white Americans

    the last two years have shown that was never possible – the bad guys want white people eradicated and that means identity politics for everyone except yoo!

  157. iffen says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What is the Alt Right?

    Confused about what the interests of the citizens are.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  158. notanon says:
    @Iberiano

    it’s inevitable that at some point 90%+ of surviving white debils will be alt-right (cos the banking mafia are engaged in a global stealth genocide) – the only question is will it happen when that surviving population numbers 300 or 300 million

  159. notanon says:
    @Iberiano

    that’s one of the most important things imo – trying to get the USA (as globohomo’s enforcer) to the point where they won’t give nationalists elsewhere the Serb treatment.

    for example if Clinton was in charge she’d be giving Salvini and Orban a much harder time.

  160. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    One of those gag cans of nuts with the fake snake on a spring would do.

    • Replies: @notanon
  161. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What is the Alt Right?

    alt-right are rightists who understand what cultural hegemony means

    conservatives are rightists who don’t

  162. notanon says:
    @songbird

    i was thinking sedated rats would be quite funny

    • Replies: @songbird
  163. Gerard2 says:
    @Hyperborean

    Silly comment for an adult. Moscow is one of the worlds most desirable, prosperous and great cities that many Russian emmigrants are desperate to live in ( or have already returned) , same with numerous other places in Russia.

    [MORE]

    Who knows, because Moscow is so enticing and rewarding in many industries, maybe Karlin knew there was a big chance to exploit his western /english-speaking credentials to get good employment in Russia?

    Then you have the people who love the sun very much , but also love Russia. Who can begrudge them having already moved to a 30degree place like Florida , when the place in Russia they originally come from is 2-3 months of frequent minus 30C, and they suffer from arthritis? There are a couple of million Brits living in Spain and Portugal. I would never do it for a reason like that…but can fully understand those who do

    Bershidsky ( Karlins lover) is a dickhead liberast who lives in Berlin

    As for the bloggers, I have no idea who is or isn’t in Russia…but who cares? These are patriots. Nobody disputes that there were huge problems in Russia in the 1990′s and early 2000′s, when anybody with a chance to go to live in the ( at the time glorified and non-enemy) west, was encouraged to go there…..where the immense skills of people cultivated in the Soviet era were in high demand ( and still are). If these people have then had kids there, settled in their jobs, mortgages, credit cards to pay off, kids with all their friend about to start University…they can easily defend Russia from abroad whilst still living in the west.

    Russian politics is full of ex sportsmen and women (numerous musical and other arts stars, but let’s stick to sports because they are all internationally known and very wealthy already , unlike the music ones) who could easily have gone and stayed in the west, but live and serve in Russia.

    Even a liberast like Yevgeny Kafelnikov, the great Russian tennis player, with typical spoilt elite children….chooses to live in Russia, Sochi

    Natalia Vodianova, a world-famous supermodel…I think she lives both in Russia and the west…but she could easily get her mother and ( cerebral palsy suffering) sister to relocate to the west, but they refuse to do so

    ……..even Skripal was by all accounts desperate to return to Russia. His daughter showed no inclination of wanting to leave Russia, even though she was visiting her father, frequently, in the most English of English areas

    ….even the scumbag oligarch Berezovsky, by all accounts, was pleading with the President to let him back in.

    What I would call traitorous are the people who go to America for a few months, solely to give birth there so that the child has Russian and American passports ( as opposed to doing it for a nice comfortable pregnancy in warm weather)…these are real traitors.

    This is completely different to Ukraine where nobody goes to live there, most “Ukrainians” in the west refer to themselves or have no trouble being referred to as “Russian”, the few plastic pseudo-nationalists “promoting: them are Banderatard morons who would never, ever go to live there if given the chance, know nothing about the place…..exacerbating this is the fact that with it’s fake nation, fake language and fake culture as separate from Russia , that it’s own Nazi authorities are insecure about- the refusal of these morons to live there is both amusing and hypocritical and ludicrous and full proof that there is no “Ukraine”, at best only an Anti-Russia, that is a project of the west and these fucktards whose relatives fled to the US/Canada in disgrace in the 1940′s/50′s/.

    The few Banderatard cretins who have become politicians in Ukraine have quickly flown back to US/Canada ( with their kids) , a few million dollars richer , and Ukraine even more messed up then before they got the ‘help” of these freaks.

    As such there is no comparison with Russia and Russian emigres, and everybody knows and accepts that Russia is a people, a nation, a language, a history and so on…

  164. Gerard2 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    [MORE]

    For instance, I (rather unusually) have good relations with the people behind both Russia Insider and the Duran. Both of those are now far bigger than any individual English language Russian “patriotic” blog.

    errr..Anatoly…Russia insider is an aggregate website, composed of posts from those patriotic blogs.
    From what I’ve seen, The Duran, is mainly about the Middle East

    As for being friends with these guys- nobody disputes you are an excellent blogger, and for a long time hid very well the fact you are a disgustingly anti-Russian liberast, hence how they became friendly with you in this time.

  165. songbird says:
    @notanon

    Back when I was a lad, the thing to do was to release rats with painted numbers on their backs, skipping a few in the sequence. That was considered high humor.

    I like your idea better. Once my dog found a live rat and threw it at me, so I can appreciate the humor. Until the last second, I thought he had merely found a stray tennis ball, since he was good at finding those.

  166. @DFH

    You forgot: I’m here to help you learn better manners.

    • Replies: @DFH
  167. Talha says:
    @iffen

    As it turns out I was “properly” provoked.

    This is a good thing when given its proper place. We have a concept called “ghayrah/ghayrat” – it is sometimes translated as jealousy, but that is not a correct translation. What ghayrah is, is that proper and righteous anger (maybe a better term is being indignant) when your rights or someone else’s rights are trespassed upon.

    So, God has ghayrah when His servants worship something other than Him while partaking of His blessings and when some random guy touches your wife – you should have ghayrah. When your neighbor buys a new car and you get upset, that is jealousy and envy – not ghayrah.

    In the culture I come from, calling someone bi-ghayrat (without ghayrah) are fighting words, you might as well call them a homo. Maybe “cuck” is a fitting translation.

    TLDR; if you are triggered for the proper reason – it is a good thing.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  168. DFH says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    What would a Chinese larping as an American reactionary know about manners?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Talha
  169. Tulip says:
    @Spisarevski

    General George S. Patton comes to mind, but General Stonewall Jackson wasn’t too bad.

    Likewise, Andrew Jackson and James K. Polk were not cucks.

  170. @DFH

    That you lack them.

    • Replies: @DFH
  171. Girls love him!

  172. @iffen

    I think there’s a place for emotion in general; I tend not to care too much about “internet fights” simply because they are typically stakeless, the very opposite of having skin in the game as there is neither any gain for “winning” nor any risk for “losing.” There can be an epistemic purpose when its developed and much can be learned, and then that’s quite worthwhile, but the majority of online arguments are often just silly.

    At some point, its just stylized trolling. I indulge in it sometime, but like bacon, a little can go a long way.

    • Replies: @iffen
  173. DFH says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    In what way? I thought I was very polite in expressing my view that you and all of your co-ethnics ought to be expelled from the continent of North America.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  174. @DFH

    It is true that infantile efforts at provocation do provide a good amount of entertainment.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Bebe25
  175. Talha says:
    @DFH

    Remember…if you aren’t an American citizen (which he is – and simply being upset about it won’t change that), it’s pretty useless, honestly, to be harping on this kind of stuff with DChieh. You aren’t really going to accomplish much unless he is affected by schoolyard type tactics.

    Now, for those of you who are American citizens and who want someone like Daniel (or myself) to be shown the door out, then I would suggest much better use of your time and forming the necessary social networks, electing the right kind of representatives (hell, run for office), pushing the right kind of legislation through, etc. to make it a reality. If it has enough traction with the people – then it will win the day and he (and me as well) will be put on boats heading East (or West, as the case may be).

    The Chinese Exclusion Act was obviously possible in the past and may be again – all you need to do is convince others (mostly working-class Americans) that it is in their best interests to keep the Chinese (and others) out.

    In fact you can have it right here on this forum; just ask Mr. Karlin to enact his own Chinese Exclusion Act and ban him from the threads.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @songbird
    , @iffen
  176. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    There can be an epistemic purpose when its developed and much can be learned, and then that’s quite worthwhile,

    Thanks, this is what I usually come to the table for.

  177. DFH says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    But I wasn’t trying to provoke you. I was just expressing my agreement with the previous commenter and posting an amusing cartoon.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @iffen
    , @utu
  178. @DFH

    Ah, in that case, I appreciate your clownish efforts to provide me with entertainment.

  179. @Talha

    There is an even simpler way for him to be rid of me forever and it only requires his own involvement.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  180. iffen says:
    @Talha

    What ghayrah is, is that proper and righteous anger (maybe a better term is being indignant)

    Thanks, this is a good perspective. I guess that by properly I meant that I was able to articulate and isolate the reason for my extensive emotional investment and that reason is perfectly aligned with my prejudices and political values. The visceral and intuitive emotional response was grounded, and that is a little reassuring to me. I also realized how infrequently I get emotionally triggered.

  181. songbird says:
    @Talha

    Grassroots effort to work through the system to change it? Surely, you are trolling. If such a thing is ever done, it will be done by proclamation, as it always has been done.

    There was a movement to pass an amendment to the Constitution to balance the budget in the 1980s, when the US was still a white country. That rather innocuous idea failed narrowly, even though there were a few Dems who voted for it. Back then they were saner, or at least had to keep up appearances. No rational person would even would even entertain the same idea now.

    • Replies: @Talha
  182. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Ah yes – the Chiehnese Exclusion Act that can be accomplished by a click!

    Peace.

  183. iffen says:
    @DFH

    You, DFH, RE: your 2 cents on E. Asians in ‘Murica

    (You must have missed it.)

    Talha says:
    October 23, 2018 at 10:26 am GMT • 100 Words
    @DFH
    If you are not an American citizen then your opinion has absolutely no practical bearing on the issue so the more proper analogy would be…
    A dog was born in the dog house, but the horses let it into the stable, branded it like a horse and consider it a horse…so the dog doesn’t really care what the pig and goat say…
    Peace.

    • Replies: @DFH
  184. iffen says:
    @Talha

    If it has enough traction with the people

    Obviously it has very little attraction. My view is that we need an immigration hiatus. I am also very much opposed to the idea that some Americans have the right to toss other Americans over the side. If you are born here or have been properly naturalized or you are in compliance with the terms of your visa, nuff said.

    • Replies: @Talha
  185. @Tyrion 2

    FYI, Ron Unz is being pushed to address those calculations he avoided talking about for 5 years, under his current “American Pravda” piece. His defenders getting quiet when confronted with the particulars of the avoidance. There has been no immediate reply from the man himself, so either he is going to brazen it out, or the delay is from him furiously composing the next iteration of the defense/pretense.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @utu
  186. Talha says:
    @songbird

    I wasn’t trolling actually. I was trying to offer practical advice as per how the system currently works. There may be no change without a catastrophic civil war and if that comes, it comes. In that case, if one is expecting that, then there are still better ways to prepare for it than yelling at random Chinese people on the Internet, but everyone sets their own priorities.

    My suggestion; see how to go about fixing White families – this is key (and a major theme of this particular blog post):

    Next; learning to be entrepreneurs like Thor in order to provide jobs for Whites and making enough money to come up with charitable foundations that help Whites (like other minorities help their own). This would make it viable for White people to not be as dependent on the government and be able to take more risks. Also move into more White conservative areas (even rural if necessary) and leave the major melting-pot points so that if there is a tipping point, you will have your own defacto enclaves (rural is good in this regard due to farmland).

    I already have my reasons to stick around, brick and mortar community as my base*, plan for what to do if things go right, plan for what to do if things go wrong. But wasting time insulting people on the internet is not one of them.

    Peace.

    *Not too long ago, a bunch of brothers got together to clean out a construction site for an upcoming mosque; hard hats, lots of mud and grime, heavy lifting, camaraderie…(even brought my boys) all around good time. I suggest people find such healthy outlets so they don’t feel invested in the internet being their only outlet to change the world for their vision of a better society. Just a thought.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @songbird
  187. Talha says:
    @iffen

    My view is that we need an immigration hiatus.

    No problems here. A shaykh I follow on twitter (an African American one) recommended this book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Melting-Pot-Civil-War-Immigrants-ebook/dp/B06W599DSM

    I have noticed that the African American portion of the Muslim community is fairly well prepared to push to close the borders – it has not helped their local communities. They have been mentioning, in frustration, that much of the national Muslim leadership (run by well-to-do immigrants) is not paying heed to their advice. This is a conversation that I know needs to be had among the Muslims so that our community is no longer part of the cacophony calling for open borders that are detrimental to the host populations. I have been pushing the Mad Mamluks to have a serious round table discussion on this particular issue with no holds barred and everything out on the table.

    I agree with your points all around about citizenship, etc.; one of the reasons I love the US (and Anglo-Saxon tradition of rule of law).

    Peace.

  188. utu says:
    @academic gossip

    is being pushed

    You have a strange way of talking of your own singular actions in an impersonal passive voice. You do it often?

    His defenders getting quiet

    No, they are not. I even tried to cheer you up with this joke:

    What is the difference between Harvard and NKVD?

    None. Jews work very hard to hide their overrepresentation in both.

    But you seem to be a humorless byatch. Or is it baytch?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @academic gossip
  189. DFH says:
    @iffen

    So you think that if someone says a dog is a horse, then that makes it a horse? [thinking smiley]

    (Anyway it shouldn’t be a horse, a pig and a goat in the analogy; the genetic difference is better conveyed by a Paint horse, a Thoroughbred and an Andalusian)

    • Replies: @iffen
  190. utu says:
    @DFH

    If BNP gets to power aren’t you afraid they are going to send your ass back to Poland? In your case the true Scotsman is not a fallacy. You are neither true Scotsman nor true English at least in eyes of some people from BNP. Apparently you are advocating expulsion of Daniel Chieh and Talha because they are also not true Americans.

  191. DFH says:
    @Talha

    Except Tommy Robinson doesn’t talk about smiling white Muslim families, he talks about Pakistani rape gangs, as you well know

    • Replies: @Talha
  192. Talha says:
    @DFH

    Sure – but I’m talking about smiling White Muslim families…

    Pakistani rape gangs

    Since I’m not British, I can’t do much about the situation other than say; you have my full permission and backing to open up a can of Shariah on them. Remember, if you execute them for being mufsideena fil-ardh, then only the Maliki school says you kill them while they are being crucified, the others say you should execute them first and just crucify the bodies as deterrent.

    Peace.

  193. Talha says:
    @utu

    The original…

    You’re welcome.

    Peace.

  194. Matra says:
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    I personally find Spencer’s writings and public speeches often quite thought-provoking; for instance, he wrote an insightful essay about race, the NFL and modern American masculinity, and his discussions of film are generally pretty intelligent.

    The podcasts he used to do with Andy Nowicki and Colin Liddell, often about the topics you mentioned, were usually worth listening to. Despite the occasional status signalling RS was pretty good at hosting them. Maybe he should go back to something modest like that, though having left behind a lot of burned bridges he might have trouble getting interesting sidekicks.

  195. iffen says:
    @DFH

    then that makes it a horse?

    Interesting question. To a certain extent, yes. What were horses before we named them horses?

    The point of order is that your views on who should be restrained, just like mine should be restrained with regard to Brexit or immigration into the UK.

    Didn’t know that you were a Polack until #200. In that case, if I were you, I wouldn’t go too far out on that Thoroughbred limb.

    • Replies: @DFH
  196. @utu

    Of course the defenders, such as yourself (and now Ron when his comment was answered), got quiet about the contested merits of Ron’s article. That the same defenders also get very loud about everything else at the very moment of their silence on the quantitative data analysis is both predictable and telling.

    In your case, you no longer seriously claim that Ron answered Ms B, do you? He is working very hard now to avoid rebutting her by saying that I don’t deserve a reply. I’m pretty sure that tactic is transparent to most of his readers, though of course some of his anti-S or WN friends will cheer him on for their own reasons.

  197. songbird says:
    @Talha

    Well, the question I’d always ask is how do they vote?

    If gays were just being disgusting hedonists, their genes would probably be being slowly removed from the population without much negative consequences to anyone but themselves. The problem is that they wield enormous political power, in great disproportion to their numbers, and they use that power over the rest of us in a malign way.

    It seems to me that Muslims in the West vote just like gays, only even more like them than they do themselves. Let’s call it very unscientifically 60% for gays, 90% for Muslims. If that is so, that they favor the same political parties, only more so, then you’d have a pretty hard time making the case that Muslims are good for the West, or even neutral to family formation of Europeans in the West.

    In practice, in America, freedom of association simply doesn’t exist. So, there isn’t really some territorial line that you can simply retreat behind. The feds didn’t drop tens of thousands of Somalis into Maine and Minnesota because they respected local self-determination. They did it because their policy is to transform those states. That is what the general immigration policy is – it is mathematically designed to make whites into a tiny minority in all their own countries, without their consent. Nor can any consolation match the breakneck speed of importation.

    I suppose that is the black pill, at least until it all blows up. But anything else would involve too many improbabilities, from what I’ve seen. Our system is built around theft, not around exchange, and I don’t expect libertarianism to suddenly win the race. The idea that the regime will suddenly collapse because the math doesn’t balance is foolish as well – that doesn’t happen in 3rd world countries like Venezuela. It is a magic soil delusion.

    The most optimistic view is that technology will somehow obviate the violence. Perhaps, it will mitigate it, but, then again, technology was largely to blame.

    • Replies: @Talha
  198. Talha says:
    @songbird

    Well, the question I’d always ask is how do they vote?

    Sound question.

    It seems to me that Muslims in the West vote just like gays, only even more like them than they do themselves.

    Many Muslims do unfortunately and it is a very, very dangerous game they are playing. We could lose our next generation to secular hedonism or have our faith become irrelevant. It is way better that we are kicked out and keep our faith strong than be accepted with an unrecognizable shell of a religion. This is probably the best article on the subject I have seen so far:

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2018/11/muslims-in-american-politics

    or even neutral to family formation of Europeans in the West.

    From above article:
    “An increasing number of voices, from Hamza Yusuf to Sherman Jackson, Omar Suleiman, and Zaid Shakir, have defined a new and tenuous place for American Muslims: largely accordant with the left’s positions on race, foreign policy, the environment, and workers’ rights, but upholding the socially conservative beliefs of Islam in opposition to feminism, the LGBT lifestyle, libertinism, or fanatical individualism. Witness Shakir’s recent khutba (sermon) in which he exhorted Muslims to defend their ‘faith, tradition and legacy’ from ‘Satanic’ forces of Western-style feminism and progressivism, which twist the Qur’an and Islam into the service of secular and political agendas.”

    So it depends on how you slice it. As far as I’m concerned, if Muslims are not (on the whole) a positive benefit to the West then we rightly deserve to be kicked out – it is a metaphysical question. We are not supposed to be here to simply milk the Western cow.

    The feds

    The major problem, as I see it, is that power is far, far too centralized and we need to recover the balance between federal, state and local rights. Being a fan of the millet system, I like the idea of a large degree of autonomy for local jurisdictions, because, after all, that’s what counts. Along the lines of what you said, if all the homosexuals stayed in a certain locale, nobody would really care with respect to their own locale.

    the black pill

    It is good to be prepared for bad situations, but pessimism does a horrible number on those that espouse it. Pessimism is premature death and a self-fulfilling prophecy. I like to be optimistic, but not naive.

    technology was largely to blame.

    Brave new world…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @songbird
  199. Art Deco says:

    He’s a lousy provider. I’m surprised she’s put up with this as long as she has. Unconventional politics is largely a waste of time and it’s especially a waste when you’re a young adult and should be establishing yourself in a trade and building a family.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  200. Your graphic – is Spencer a Nazi? First I’ve heard of it.

    I must say his wife doesn’t come well out of this in that

    i) If people are threatening her and her children, that doesn’t make RS wrong, that makes his opponents evil and criminal

    ii) whatever happened to loyalty?

    iii) presumably he held these views when she wed him

    Sad to see so many people kicking a man when he’s down, whether he be left or right.

  201. ia says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What is the Alt Right?

    Most people commenting here have no idea either. LOL. There’s a lot of variation. It’s not something you join like a political party. You can donate money or go to a conference – but anybody can do that. The essential ingredient though is race realism.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  202. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Dugin is not a philosopher – just an uneducated swindler. Even on the internet it’s funny to read people laughing about that.*

    Seriously I would almost feel some sense of wonder if he is not part of a CIA conspiracy theory to demonstrate that a faculty professor of Moscow State University can be lower than an instructor in Trump University.

    -

    * https://thequestion.ru/questions/7585/na-kakikh-sereznykh-osnovaniyakh-mozhno-schitat-dugina-filosofom-kakovym-on-sebya-pozicioniruet-khotelos-by-uvidet-otvet-ot-neduginca

  203. Dmitry says:
    @ia

    I believe it was just a few themes of the traditional neo-Nazi movement (which by 2010s, has reduced mainly a group of conspiracy theories – Jews control central bank, black men rape women, Israel did the terrorist attacks of the 11th of September etc).

    Around 2015, some hundreds of American teenagers discovered these themes, while simultaneously watching half of YouTube video about Nietzsche, and a few YouTube videos with names like “how to get an Asian girlfriend”.

    This resulted in young Americans writing weird messages on internet forums, some which are supporting Trump, while also discussing medication for autism, and whether watching YouTube videos about Nietzsche will help them find the Asian girlfriend, etc.

    Also around 2015, CNN and New York Times journalists, discover some of these messages through keyword searches on Google, decide to call this “alt-right”, and believe they can make Trump appear stupid (and therefore lose election) by association with this newly created phenomenon.

    A narcissist – Richard Spencer – also realizes he will be able to create a reality television career by contact with CNN, by telling them he is leader of the phenomenon.

    • Replies: @DFH
  204. DFH says:
    @Dmitry

    has reduced mainly a group of conspiracy theories – Jews control central bank, black men rape women

    ‘conspiracy theories’ = obvious, easily verifiable facts

  205. Dmitry says:
    @Art Deco

    Not everyone wants the same things you want.

    He clearly likes to have attention and people talking about him. So clearly, by this criteria, he is successful.

    Whether he is able to monetizing this, and convert it into a career, is another question. Obviously some narcissists can be wildly successful in converting attention, even of the most juvenile type, into the dollar career.

    However, unlike Spencer, people like Kardashian didn’t use “unconventional political ideas” to achieve the fame, but rather pornographic films. Currently, in America, the latter still more socially acceptable than former, although perhaps the former will become an established path in the future as politics penetrates all aspects of American life increasingly.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  206. DFH says:
    @iffen

    What were horses before we named them horses?

    Horses. Just like neutrons just after the Big Bang were still neutrons, or horses in some parallel world lacking in conceptualising beings would still be horses. Your statement here shows incredible confusion about metaphysics/philosophy of language.

  207. Rosie says:

    I was treated to this gem of a comment over on DS’s post about this. Apparently, Nina accused Richard of leaving her with no help after their last baby was born. From the douchebag commenter:

    Oh noes holy shit, she had to be an actual mother. These cunts have no idea. Imagine being an mother even 150 years ago when your husband could be gone for weeks hunting for food or doing business to make money to support the family. What a pack of spoiled brats.

    Yes, I can easily imagine it. You live in the same town as your whole extended family, so your sisters, sister-in-law, aunts and cousins could all take turns helping out so you could get a bit of shuteye. Seriously, there is no excuse for this kind of ignorance about nursing an infant in a movement that is supposed to be all about babies.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  208. songbird says:
    @Talha

    I think localism is a better formula certainly. Having more freedom of choice and counter-examples just seems like something obviously wiser, but the Tenth Amendment has pretty clear language, yet here we are…

    I don’t know what a solution is but it seems to me at the very least, the Constitution should have been wargamed. It is kind of startling how the army has all these impossible military scenarios and scrimmages regularly, but if you read The Federalist Papers, they are very naive, relying on the prestige of public office to be a restraint, simple prohibitions, or politicians regulating each other.

    BTW, that Pew report about half of American Muslims being favorable to gays is pretty alarming, even if one attributes some of it to fear. One wonders what the born-over-here in favor of gays numbers would be. I suppose the whole youth cohort must be pretty bad across the board.

    • Replies: @Nznz
    , @Nznz
    , @Talha
  209. Bebe25 says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh

    That does not change the validity of his argument that non-whites have no place in America, if you are so brave yourself why don’t you plow a semi through an illegal immigrant rally or a pro abortion or a gay pride rally, if a Muslim can do it what’s stopping you.

    • Replies: @utu
  210. Nznz says: • Website
    @songbird

    Why is the altright obsessed with gays? Isn’t homosexuality just a harmless eccentricity like veganism or being a Tifosi?

    • Replies: @songbird
  211. Nznz says: • Website
    @songbird

    I mean if you follow the principle of vox populi, vox dei, then maybe the pro gay crowd are right, otherwise why would the pro LGBT crowd have so much support among the youth if they are intrinsically wrong?

    • Replies: @notanon
  212. utu says:
    @Bebe25

    the validity of his argument that non-whites have no place in America

    The validity of his argument was lost on the day the first ship brought African slaves to America.

    • Replies: @Bebe25
    , @utu
    , @songbird
  213. Nznz says: • Website

    Maybe the US in its current form is not a good thing, maybe a millet system with whites getting their own homeland is better?

    • Replies: @Talha
  214. Bebe25 says: • Website
    @utu

    You can always get rid of them. What are bullets for? If you make an example out of a few the rest can get the message for population transfer pretty quickly.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  215. Talha says:
    @Nznz

    mullet system

    I am completely opposed to a mullet system on principle.

    But I am not a racist, thus I am also highly opposed to the jheri curl system.

    Peace.

  216. Talha says:

    We need a “Narc” button, Mr. Unz…

    Peace.

  217. Bebe25 says: • Website

    And about the US military, you need to think out of the box, have you seen jihadi videos or books about the Afghan war? How well is a conventional army equipped to fight a heavily armed insurgency, what use it to rule over a wasteland even if you win over the insurgents? That is not to say that the military will be internally divided as well.

  218. @Bebe25

    Mr. FBI, this is a religious KEK forum.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @iffen
  219. Ron Unz says:
    @Dmitry

    Well, I only rarely read posts or comment threads, but my morning newspapers hadn’t mentioned anything about Richard Spencer’s problems and decided to read the story here. Aside from the Spencer gossip, I noticed this:

    Also owner and manager of this website (Ron Unz) is another example – in the front page, it also seems to be desperately trying to receive attention from people through breaking school norms, but very specifically, he is trying to receive attention from Jews….The funny thing is, whole front page of website is all about Jews.

    I’m afraid that’s really not correct. After articles run as main features, they stay up on the Home page so long as they remain popular, and I’ve been astonished how long my recent American Pravda pieces related to Jews have maintained their strong popularity—virtually none of the thousands of other previous articles have done so well for so long.

    Perhaps I shouldn’t have been so surprised. After all, 100% of the MSM and maybe 95% of the Alternative Media is just too terrified to candidly discuss almost anything related to Jewish issues, and lots of people know those issues are important, so they only have a limited number of places they can go to read about such things.

    Interestingly enough, Russia Insider has republished many of my articles, and when I went there a day or two ago, I noticed several of them were grouped in the right hand margin, apparently because they’re among the most popular RI has run. So my webzine doesn’t seem to be unique in that way.

    Anyway, once you can persuade people to stop reading them, they’ll soon drop off the front page and be forgotten…

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  220. I have met Richard Spencer once, at one of his NPI conferences. I will not disclose the year, but it was not recently.

    He was a gracious host and a sharp dresser.

    In the years since then, I’ve come to consider him as an interesting man but also a narcissist (not really an insult coming from me), a dilettante, and a LARPer (e.g. endless rambling about the Faustian Spirit).

    I was always suspicious of his wife because she seemed to love Alexander Dugin more than him. Guess we know how that one turned out. She’s not attractive anyway, even if she has an amazing rack.

    Best of luck to Richard going forward.

  221. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Maybe he’s willing to give you a great deal on a boatload of fertilizer…

    Peace.

  222. Rosie says:

    Grief is setting in. Whether he makes a comeback or not, the Richard Spencer I (thought I) knew and loved is dead.

  223. @Rosie

    We don’t know if he actually said that, Rosie.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  224. Rosie says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    We don’t know if he actually said that, Rosie.

    It sounds to me like he all but admitted it.

    https://richardbspencer.tumblr.com/post/179398487184/statement-on-my-marriage-divorce-and-abuse

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  225. @Rosie

    I see nothing like that in the link.

    My parents divorced when I was a child. You have no idea what venom, much of it false, poured forth.

    We simply don’t know what happened here. Let’s leave them alone.

    • Replies: @Talha
  226. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Agreed – he may be a public figure, but there is no reason to drag these things out into the public sphere. Everyone deserves some level of privacy.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  227. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    How long till his ex wife Nina gets Blacked?

  228. @War for Blair Mountain

    Jean François Gariépy uploaded an interview tonight, with Richard Spencer, for his Public Space channel on YouTube. Richard addresses the reportage of his ongoing divorce proceedings and his wife’s allegations.

  229. @Rosie

    That’s Nietzsche, not Spencer, (((Rosie))).

    • Replies: @DFH
  230. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    Agreed – he may be a public figure, but there is no reason to drag these things out into the public sphere. Everyone deserves some level of privacy.

    I didn’t drag them out into the public. I wish I’d never heard about it, but I can’t unhear it now.

    • Replies: @Talha
  231. Spencer wanted to be the guy to popularise identitarianism in the US, but European-style identitarianism just isn’t really a goer in colonial countries like the US and Canada. Most whites in colonial countries translate white nationalism into thuggish skinhead culture and hypocritical suppression of indigenous non-whites. If whites in colonial cultures are to develop some form of identitarian political movement it needs to be based around pioneer/settler rights and the right to criticise presumptuous immigrants rather than explicit racial identity.

    Spencer would probably be better off starting up an online video channel and making the most of his high public profile. He lacks the discipline and focus to be a political leader but he still has a lot of qualities that could make him a pretty successful public intellectual/satirist.

    • Replies: @Nznz
    , @Nznz
    , @notanon
  232. Nznz says: • Website
    @unpc downunder

    So why was white identitarianism a viable strategy until 1965? Are you trying to tell me that the White Australia policy and the immigration act of 1924 was not racialist in nature? And in Australia’s case it was explicitly based on keeping Australia 99 percent white

  233. Nznz says: • Website
    @unpc downunder

    Even New Zealand had an implicitly pro white immigration policy until the mid 80s.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
  234. @Nznz

    Back then most whites were cultural and racial supremacists. Most whites today no longer have a moral conviction that they are better than other races. Plus even some nationalist-leaning whites in America and Australia feel somewhat guilty about aspects of their colonial history (treatment of Australian aborigines and American Indians, slavery etc).

    European identitarians have a clear political advantage over colonial white nationalists in that they are the indigenous people of Europe. Hence they can be racially conservative about immigration and promote traditional European cultural identity without being explicitly racial about it. Also, they can even use left-wing arguments about colonial oppression to their advantage. For example, European nationalist parties have made use of native American images to remind voters that white Europeans in Europe could go the same way of American Indians.

    It’s about finding ways of being pro-white without being explicitly racial. The left plays stealth politics so why shouldn’t the right? Hard core economic socialism is political poison in the US so the left uses accusations of “sexism” and “racism” to attack the free market political system. If a high profile person on the left said American workers are underpaid by 30 percent and the minimum wage should go up accordingly, the business class would be down on them like a ton of bricks. However, feminists claim women are underpaid by 30 percent and the business class is silent. This is part of the reason why you still have quite a few white males on the left. They see minorities and women as useful pawns with which to attack the wealthy.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @notanon
  235. DFH says:
    @Eric Novak

    You say that like it adds some sort of weight to it

  236. @Rosie

    I am rather curious why you are so obsessed with the Daily Stormer – I think you mention Anglin about as much as the rest of us combined!

    • Replies: @Rosie
  237. notanon says:
    @Nznz

    why would the pro LGBT crowd have so much support among the youth if they are intrinsically wrong

    the media – obviously

    Why is the altright obsessed with gays?

    why is the dominant culture obsessed with promoting homosexuality?

    • Replies: @Nznz
  238. notanon says:
    @unpc downunder

    Most whites in colonial countries translate white nationalism into thuggish skinhead culture and hypocritical suppression of indigenous non-whites.

    nope

    the post-war stealth campaign of population replacement in the ex-white countries was always bottom up i.e. replacing the unskilled manual workers first then the skilled manual then the white collar etc

    so obviously the initial reaction to this was mostly limited to that part of the population who were least able to argue their case verbally.

    if people on the right side of the bell curve had listened to them and not believed the media’s lies about what was happening they wouldn’t be heading into minority status now.

  239. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    No, I know you didn’t – apparently the judicial system put this all out there. That was not cool. I’m just avoiding the articles with any details; you don’t need to unhear what you don’t hear. :)

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @iffen
    , @Rosie
  240. notanon says:
    @unpc downunder

    It’s about finding ways of being pro-white without being explicitly racial.

    the dominant culture promotes identity politics for every group except white people

    being explicitly racial becomes entirely reasonable in the face of this double standard

    • Replies: @Rosie
  241. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I guess this means that AK’s worries about the GRU scrapping the bottom of the barrel applies to the US as well.

  242. Rosie says:
    @notanon

    the dominant culture promotes identity politics for every group except white people

    being explicitly racial becomes entirely reasonable in the face of this double standard

    And we have tried implicit whiteness, but it always fails because they call you racist anyway, which of course makes you want to prove you’re not racist by backing off any attempt at doing what’s good for Whites.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @notanon
  243. Rosie says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I am rather curious why you are so obsessed with the Daily Stormer – I think you mention Anglin about as much as the rest of us combined!

    You can’t refute someone you don’t mention. If what happened on DS stayed on DS, I wouldn’t much care about him.

  244. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    You can be a WN if you want to, Rosie, nobody’s stopping you. What you can’t do is force people like me and most Americans into accepting your ideology (if you ever put one together).

    It can be a little tricky at times, but it is eminently feasible to be 100% anti-anti-white, HBD aware, loyal to one’s group, a normal melting pot Patriot, and pro working class, including being an equity feminist.

    (I just don’t have anybody in my group except me.)

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Talha
    , @Daniel Chieh
  245. @Talha

    Talha,

    Quick question to you – does sharia (adjusting for there being different schools) consider insulting Jesus, the Virgin Mary, Christian saints to be blasphemy? What punishments, if any, does that invoke, including relative to insulting Mohammed (PBUH)? Thanks.

    • Replies: @Talha
  246. iffen says:
    @Talha

    you don’t need to unhear what you don’t hear.

    You’re a fine one to talk. Do you think that we can un-see the picture that you posted in #196?

    BTW, to my thinking, your juxtaposition of a “good white Muslim family” with the celebration of sexual perversion by the Borg is not advantageous for your argument.

    • Replies: @Talha
  247. Rosie says:
    @iffen

    loyal to one’s group, a normal melting pot Patriot

    How can you want your group to melt in a pot and be loyal to it at the same time?

    • Replies: @iffen
  248. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    No, I know you didn’t – apparently the judicial system put this all out there. That was not cool. I’m just avoiding the articles with any details; you don’t need to unhear what you don’t hear.

    I think it was a combination of the judicial system and the press. Both parties wanted the court records sealed, but the judge refused, allowing the press to air all this dirty laundry.

  249. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    How can you want your group to melt in a pot and be loyal to it at the same time?

    I have to achieve some balance with American civic nationalism. Our melting pot had been working just fine for several hundred years before its capture by the totalitarian left. A key trait of my group that I value is enthusiastic individualism, so I can’t very well try and tell others who they should marry. One problem with black/white mixing is that the children end up being black rather than mixed. This doesn’t seem to be a problem with other racial pairings. Perhaps when there are more mixed black and white offspring the problem will resolve itself.

    Anyway, there is not some intrinsic magic in whiteness.

    • Replies: @Nznz
    , @notanon
  250. Nznz says: • Website
    @notanon

    I think the problem is that if you really want to root out the problem fully, it seems the only logical solutions are the closet again or genocide plus genetic tampering, and considering what happened, the conditions of the first condition will be a lot harsher than they were back in the 50s to prevent the problem recurring again, and who in the altright is willing to take things to the last full measure? I mean even in Stormfront the consensus is just to bring back the 50s again with respect to the whole LGBTQIA question.

    • Replies: @notanon
  251. Nznz says: • Website
    @iffen

    With all due respect, you are a Jew right? And if the white race is not worth saving, why not bring on the deluge, I mean what it is point then?

  252. notanon says:
    @Rosie

    right – the public version of their own ideology supports the principle of white identity politics it’s only their private anti-white ideology which doesn’t

    so couch it as white civil rights – the bad guys say “no, die whitey” – then we can get on to the next stage where those white people who want to live as a majority do that and those white people who want to live as a persecuted minority get to do that.

  253. notanon says:
    @Nznz

    i think there’s probably some kind of bug/virus involved probably connected to sexual promiscuity

    (many years before i got interested in HBD i came across situations through work which struck me as not just unhygenic but anti-hygenic – like the men involved were under some kind of mental compulsion – and then more recently i read about various kinds of behavior altering viruses which makes me think there’s a bug involved)

    i think the big problem with homosexuality is 1) public health (via excessive promiscuity) and 2) numbers – reduce the numbers through a) figuring out what the bug is and 2) curing it or reducing promiscuity culturally would reduce the public health issue to manageable proportions imo.

    • Replies: @Nznz
    , @Nznz
  254. notanon says:
    @iffen

    genocide: inflicting conditions of life intended to destroy a racial or national group.

  255. Nznz says: • Website
    @notanon

    So the vast majority of the problem with homosexuality stems from male homosexuals and bisexuals, and butch lesbians? I am pretty sure that homosexuality is partly genetic in nature, but it is much like obesity, pyromania or alcoholism, which means that it can be controlled given the right therapy, drugs, and most importantly, if you have a cultural consensus strongly condemning it, which was present as recently as the early 90s, and here I think that the simple homosexuality is icky or dues vult argument is the most simple and effective.

  256. OT:

    Russia is a forerunner in the fight for appendicular autonomy aka limb libertarianism.

  257. Nznz says: • Website

    I would add that secular natural law theory also leans towards encouraging a heteronormative culture.

  258. Nznz says: • Website
    @notanon

    So could homophobia be a defense mechanism, it is interesting that the cultures that condemned homosexuality only strongly condemned MALE homosexuality.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @DFH
  259. Talha says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If a Muslim clearly insults the Son of Mary or his mother (pbut), that could be considered grounds for apostasy – and the rules for apostasy would kick in. If the Muslim insults the saints of another religion, then that would fall under the rules of insulting the religious sensibilities of dhimmis (or non-Muslim citizens) and that is open – at least in the Hanafi school – for what kind of punishment the judge finds suitable – it could even be something creative like public service, say, cleaning the toilets at a church for a month. But there is no punishment per se for insulting a Christian saint in and of itself (unlike with Jesus and his blessed mother [pbut] – it is bad etiquette though.

    For a Muslim to insult any of the Prophets (pbut) is considered the same. For a non-Muslim, the Hanafi school is flexible; it takes into account public benefit into the equation and (classically) the terms dictated by the dhimmi contract. You have to remember, a certain level of blasphemy is protected under the dhimmi contract, for instance Jews declaring Jesus and Muhammad (pbut) to be false and teaching it is assumed and protected, but they could easily be punished for going out and insulting or reviling them publicly. As an example, there are a thousand ways to critique the trinity without resorting to blasphemy and denigration like this:

    Peace.

  260. Talha says:
    @iffen

    There is a difference between making public details that are private (and that the people involved wanted to be kept that way) and simply conveying that which people flaunt publicly. Though I get your drift about having to unsee men in leather dog suits.

    not advantageous for your argument

    Really depends on how one envisions society I guess. Personally, I wouldn’t care if there was some semi-autonomous atheist millet/enclave out in a Muslim nation where they did this kind of stuff as a semi-religious procession weekly on their own streets.

    By the way – on the White Muslim thing – just heard that Sinead O’Connor took shahadah.

    Peace.

  261. Talha says:
    @iffen

    I just don’t have anybody in my group except me.

    I wish there were more of you guys. More people taking the positions you describe could help get us out of this mess; seems to be a fairly balanced approach.

    Peace.

  262. notanon says:
    @Nznz

    i think so yes – imo it’s more about the consequences of promiscuity and sodomy than homosexuality per se

  263. Talha says:
    @songbird

    the Tenth Amendment has pretty clear language

    I agree here -since the Civil War, the trend has been more and more towards centralization. Especially how the US became a very centralized and managed nation during WW2 in order to fight very centralized nations, not to mention during the cold war. And now with the ongoing WOT. I don’t think we have ever recovered after every war; war is the health of the state, as they say.

    half of American Muslims being favorable to gays

    I sometimes wonder about this. Like what exactly were the questions that were asked? Was it something like; gay people should be treated with common courtesy? Or was it; the gay lifestyle is morally acceptable?

    It would make a difference. But I agree, the trend is very alarming. Two years after I left UCLA, my brother told me some guy in the MSA (Muslim Students Assoc) left Islam because he couldn’t dig it being in opposition to homosexuality.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Nznz
  264. @Ron Unz

    My hope is that, once everybody who is interested in the topic has read up on it, we can all move on. I don’t just mean at this site or at Russia Insider, I’m thinking of the whole of the West. Both politically engaged Jews and dumb anti-Semites insist everything’s about Jews, all the time. It gets in the way of everything else.

  265. iffen says:
    @Talha

    just heard that Sinead O’Connor took shahadah.

    Shades of schadenfreude. Bad iffen. :)

  266. iffen says:
    @Talha

    There is a difference between making public details that are private (and that the people involved wanted to be kept that way) and simply conveying that which people flaunt publicly.

    Of course, good position. I was just going for the unhearing and unseeing angle.

  267. Nznz says: • Website
    @Talha

    Is there why the religions of the people of the book are so obsessed with sexual mores compared to their pagan counterparts?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Tulip
  268. songbird says:
    @Nznz

    It’s obviously not an eccentricity. Eccentricities don’t have flags and armbands. Flying a flag connotes ownership over territory.

  269. Talha says:
    @Nznz

    Possibly because we have very specific commands (explicit in ) about the subject and others don’t. It is interesting, but this was pointed out as one of the reasons that India is moving in that direction:
    “No kind of prejudice and discrimination can continue in perpetuity. Section 377 was introduced in Indian criminal law in furtherance of western notions of morality, based on Abrahamic ideologies. At the time of its introduction, limited consideration was given to a contradictory morality that existed in the subcontinent, which acknowledged and recognised homosexuality, and did not criminalise it.”

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/section-377-impact-will-be-felt-beyond-india/articleshow/65712471.cms

    And that is not really talking about the many practical reasons why homosexuality should not be considered a positive thing for society. But, in a limited scope, I really don’t see why pagans would see a specific problem with homosexuality.

    Peace.

  270. songbird says:
    @utu

    And it destroyed America. Europe is next, unless they wise up.

  271. @Talha

    By the way – on the White Muslim thing – just heard that Sinead O’Connor took shahadah.

    Remember, ‘gift’ has two meanings…

    Enjoy.

  272. songbird says:
    @Talha

    just heard that Sinead O’Connor took shahadah.

    You are welcome to her, but seriously…

    This is really quite interesting. Of course, she is a nutter, but didn’t she once go on stage with the Pope to tear the Bible in front of him? I think that says a lot about her psychology in joining.

    • Replies: @Talha
  273. Talha says:
    @songbird

    One wonders…I do remember that actually – it was on Saturday Night Live – she tore up a picture of the pope after her performance in protest of (if I recall) the child abuse scandal of that time. Is she the same person as those decades ago? Or has she change, matured…I have no clue.

    I just heard about it and put it out there.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @songbird
  274. DFH says:
    @Nznz

    it is interesting that the cultures that condemned homosexuality only strongly condemned MALE homosexuality

    Because they generally didn’t even conceive of lesbianism. But they certainly did condemn it too; the most famous Christian condemnation of homosexuality in Romans mentions women, for example.

    • Replies: @Tulip
  275. Tulip says:
    @Nznz

    Because obsession with sexual mores => higher tfr => replacement of pagans through demographics.

    Pagans wouldn’t have died out if they had been more obsessed with sexual mores.

    We stand at an interesting moment where you have an exclusive choice of either practicing Darwinism (fundamentalism) or professing it (secularism).

  276. Tulip says:
    @DFH

    Perhaps cultures that condemned homosexuality understood that if you can get the free men in line, then the woman will fall in line naturally.

  277. @iffen

    (I just don’t have anybody in my group except me.)

    Well, you’re welcome wherever I have a say, at the least.

    • Replies: @iffen
  278. Art Deco says:
    @Dmitry

    Not everyone wants the same things you want.

    So what?

    He has a wife and (if I’m not mistaken) children. Whatever he ‘wants’, wife/children are his vocation, and a responsibility of a sort that all but an odd minority are better off with than without.

    No clue if your conception of what he ‘want’s is accurate. If that is what he wants, he’s got a problem.

    NB, his education was hopelessly impractical. He’s been confused for a long time.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  279. @Anonymous

    ” It’s unclear to me why I should give a shit.”

    The future belongs to those who show up for it. You and I are only here because of a long chain of ancestors – many who lived in the past are genetic dead ends,

    I don’t want my family’s story to end now, and I like my tribe and want them to continue. You may feel differently, though all your forebears didn’t.

  280. @Tulip

    “We stand at an interesting moment where you have an exclusive choice of either practicing Darwinism (fundamentalism) or professing it (secularism).”

    Brilliant!

  281. songbird says:
    @Talha

    A picture – that makes sense a Bible would be kind of hard to tear in half. I have watched the clip – she seemed to be wearing a Star of David necklace or something close to it. Curious.

    In my book, any woman who shaves her head just for attention is probably irredeemably insane. I genuinely believe it is a sign she has some sort of mental illness. Add fame to that, and I doubt she’s found some balance. But, maybe, she is looking for it…

  282. @Tulip

    Because obsession with sexual mores => higher tfr => replacement of pagans through demographics.

    Eh? Have you read the Deeds of Apostles or some Lives of Saints? They converted pagans by words and example, not set up separate communities that tried to outbreed them. Many were virgins or monks who didn’t leave any offspring at all. An almost modern, well-documented example is Saint Nicholas of Japan (1836-1912), a monk who arrived to a country with zero Orthodox Christians and left about 33 thousand after him.

    It’s true early Christians had more surviving children than pagans who routinely practiced infanticide (not because of sexual immorality, but absolute legal power of a father over his children – he had full right to expose an infant he didn’t want to feed). But I doubt it mattered more than mass conversions.

    We stand at an interesting moment where you have an exclusive choice of either practicing Darwinism (fundamentalism) or professing it (secularism).

    We don’t see many people in top hats outside, but not because people who didn’t wear top hats outbred those who did. There are such things as propaganda, peer influence and fashion. Both secular-born fundamentalists (Talha’s wife – sorry if it’s offensive to call her that, but a hijabi seems fundamentalist to most normies) and fundamentalist-born secularists (Young Mom from the linked blog) aren’t unusual.

    http://ayoungmomsmusings.blogspot.com/2011/01/motherhood-after-growing-up-quiverfull.html

    • Agree: Dmitry
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Tulip
  283. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Thanks Dan C. Maybe we will have a political group someday. I really don’t think of myself (or you) as off the charts in any way.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  284. Dmitry says:
    @Toronto Russian

    Some Early Christians like Origen, allegedly even “self castrated” themselves.

    It was discussed the reasons why, in Karl Jung’s book “Psychological Types”

    (I’ve only read the first couple of chapters – but a very interesting book for anyone with interest in psychology).

    -

    Discussed in chapter 1 here (Russian edition)

    http://lib.ru/PSIHO/JUNG/psytypes.txt

  285. Dmitry says:
    @Art Deco

    Yes, but if really he has narcissistic personality disorder (which in my – amateur psychological knowledge – looks very obvious just watching him for a few minutes), then he is never going to behave according to your view of how he should behave.

    It’s not “should or should not”, but “can or cannot”. If someone really wants attention, then they won’t consider some quiet career as successful, according to their own desires. On the other hand, unconventional politics, which generates national attention, will be a lot better, from their own viewpoint.

    -

    Match the behaviours

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  286. utu says:
    @Tulip

    Now I understand the true meaning of your otherwise sensible comment #55. You have lost hope. The religion of Darwinism has no wings to fly on.

    • Replies: @Tulip
    , @Tulip
  287. @iffen

    NRX is great. Most productive, least insane hard right faction.

    • Replies: @iffen
  288. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    AaronB’s general pattern of commenting often brings to mind Sam Hyde’s reference to people who “want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.”

  289. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Thanks, the little looks that I had gave me the impression of fantasy.

  290. Tulip says:
    @Toronto Russian

    Its Christian propaganda. Of course Christians want to believe their superior ministry converted the pagans, not demographic attrition, and they wrote the history books. Yet dump the “obsession with sexual mores” and the Church is cooked.

  291. Tulip says:
    @utu

    Well its true, its hard have much hope for “whites” when all they seem to go in for these days is buggery and fentanyl.

  292. Tulip says:
    @utu

    As I see it, in the West, for religion (and the West) to survive, some form of hard core Christianity must either Nietzsche-up, or some form of heathenry has to go full old school Lutheran on sexual morality.

    • Replies: @utu
  293. Art Deco says:
    @Dmitry

    Yes, but if really he has narcissistic personality disorder (

    The DSM is a manual which psychiatrists make use of to assist them in their daily labors by providing capsule descriptions of behavioral and dispositional types. It does not describe actual diseases. He doesn’t ‘have’ ‘narcissistic personality disorder’. He behaves in a particular way and has particular mental habits. Doesn’t alter his obligations one iota that some quack slaps a clinical label on what he does. Doesn’t change what counts as good performance and bad performance in this life. He’s wasting his life and his wife through her lawyer is shooting up a red flag. He can pay attention to the warning or ignore it.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  294. Art Deco says:
    @DFH

    Come again? Her facial features are somewhat oversized. She does all right.

  295. utu says:
    @Tulip

    So far all heathenry that is around that I am aware of is all the way sexually depraved. So I would not look there.

    Lutheranism as we knew it is dead, ate lest in Europe. I still have some hope for Catholicism. So far the Church is listing but it may right itself up. Then there are the Orthodox churches but their influence in Europe is too limited except for Russia, Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece.

    I think that most important is to restore the language and learn how to argue without falling into semantic traps. For this we need intellectuals and then media to propagate it. Talking about HBD, IQ as it is promoted here by Sailerites is the dead end. Their rhetoric is used more to vent their frustration than to win arguments. Politically it is not very wise. Besides indirectly it elevates the role of Jews as positive.

    We need some political science theory to learn how to argue in favor of national state. Most people do not know even know to define it.

    America is in entirely different boat than Europe. America will not escape the consequences of Slavery and the genocide of Native Americans and it being a nation of immigrants so its rhetorical position is much weaker. Sailerites are totally helpless here like children in the fog. Europe still can avoid the fate of America of biological irreversibility. Otoh, America has somewhat more freedom for expression of various political opinions. However, there is not much depth in the US to be expressed. This freedom is wasted on stupid ideas like libertarianism and HBD.

  296. Tulip says:
    @utu

    You are right about heathenry, but the Catholic Church is one of the primary advocates of cultural suicide and dhimmitude at this time. I think you have to be HIV+ to receive baptism at a mainline Protestant Church these days, and while I respect in some sense the fundamentalists, they tend to be dumb as posts and unable to roll with mainstream discourse.

    Orthodoxy is a possible candidate, but it is not well established in the West, and even among the Orthodox, the Poz is strong.

    Ultimately, the struggle must be defined spiritually, and primarily in terms of self-overcoming, and only secondarily in physical manifestation. Life consumes life, from death comes new life.

  297. utu says:

    the struggle must be defined spiritually

    You will not develop the spiritual dimension by eating proper foods and doing exercises or even by walking around and waving your national flag. The latter is a small thing than actually can be encouraged. The spiritual change has to happen in the realm of ideas. Ideas come from some real individuals who must raise to the occasion. They can articulate it for the rest. They need to be helped by raising the awareness of those who care so they understand what is the realm in which the battle takes place. A new language needs to be developed that could explain what is it all about and help to wage rhetorical battle with the enemy. Most importantly the language must be attractive enough to bring new followers from the enemy camp.

  298. Dmitry says:
    @Art Deco

    It describes pattern of behaviour of his (and all similar people). Psychiatry is not an advanced science, but we would assume there is a physical (or neurological) correlate to this behaviour.

    Whether his life is successful or failure, is a little subjective, and something which will depend on your subjective opinion. There’s nothing wrong with making this judgement (if I was his parents, I would think my son was a total failure in life).

    But the relevant from the perspective of the person themselves, is not what you think, but whether (and how) they can actually change. Someone with narcissistic personality disorder is unlikely to suddenly change because sensible people say they are losers. If they are addicted, and their highest desire, is this kind of attention, they will feel like it is successful behaviour. (And that having some quiet or useful career, will feel like a failure for them).

  299. Twinkie says:
    @Rosie

    the Richard Spencer I (thought I) knew and loved is dead.

    Welcome to your heroes. Only the finest people are attracted to your ideology.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  300. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH

    All of you Poles and Irish like you and Blair Mountain should be sent back home to Europe.

  301. @utu

    America is in entirely different boat than Europe. America will not escape the consequences of Slavery and the genocide of Native Americans

    What about the genocide of the pre-Indo-Europeans?

    • Replies: @Anon
  302. Jefferson says:
    @Twinkie

    “Welcome to your heroes. Only the finest people are attracted to your ideology.”

    Richard Spencer did say that in his fantasy ethnostate he would implement a White version of Sharia Law for women.

  303. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    What about the genocide of the pre-Indo-Europeans?

    genocide of Native Americans

    I think that answers that.

  304. @Anon

    The pre-Indo-Europeans were the peoples who inhabited Europe prior to the arrival of the Indo-European/Indo-Aryan volkswanderung. If memory serves, their cultural and genetic lineage only survives now among the modern-day Basques (not counting traces of pre-Indo-European mitochondrial DNA in modern Europeans and their offshoots).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  305. @Jefferson

    Richard Spencer did say that in his fantasy ethnostate he would implement a White version of Sharia Law for women.

    That would not be without historical precedent in European culture:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynaeceum

  306. Twinkie says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    The pre-Indo-Europeans were the peoples who inhabited Europe prior to the arrival of the Indo-European/Indo-Aryan volkswanderung. If memory serves, their cultural and genetic lineage only survives now among the modern-day Basques (not counting traces of pre-Indo-European mitochondrial DNA in modern Europeans and their offshoots).

    That’s not quite right. Europeans are hybrids – to varying degrees – of ancient hunter-gatherers, descendants of Near Eastern (“Anatolian”) agriculturalists, steppe pastoralists (proto-Indo-Europeans), and Siberian/East Asians. Usually the middle two ancestries are predominant, with significant local variations.

    Basques are strongly steppe pastoralists in ancestry, yet speak a non-Indo-European language, which led to a hypothesis of cultural assimilation of the invaders. Where the Anatolian farmer ancestry is strong is Sardinia.

    Lastly, the word is Völkerwanderung, not volkswanderung, which usually refers to the migrations and invasions of Germanic, Alanic (Iranic), and Hunnic confederations in the late Roman Empire.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  307. Lastly, the word is Völkerwanderung, not volkswanderung, which usually refers to the migrations and invasions of Germanic, Alanic (Iranic), and Hunnic confederations in the late Roman Empire.

    Key word being “usually.” No one likes a pedant. ;)

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Twinkie
  308. iffen says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    No one likes a pedant.

    But many people like the facts to be stated correctly.

  309. Twinkie says:
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    No one likes a pedant.

    “Pedant”: someone who corrects me when I am wrong.

    And what do you call someone who tries to use a foreign term to sound knowledgeable, but gets it wrong?

  310. iffen says:
    @Twinkie

    He already acknowledged that he got it wrong. You go too far sometimes.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  311. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    He already acknowledged that he got it wrong. You go too far sometimes.

    He should have skipped the pedant comment if we are talking should’s. A simple “I stand corrected” would have done, but he just had to end with a salty personal attack. So I called it for what it was.

  312. @Twinkie

    Lastly, the word is Völkerwanderung, not volkswanderung, which usually refers to the migrations and invasions of Germanic, Alanic (Iranic), and Hunnic confederations in the late Roman Empire.

    I think both of you are partly incorrect.

    Völkerwanderung would be the accepted terms in both cases.

    Volkswanderung is fitness march.

  313. @Twinkie

    “Pedant”: someone who corrects me when I am wrong.

    And what do you call someone who tries to use a foreign term to sound knowledgeable, but gets it wrong?

    I don’t mind being corrected on the language, since to call my German rusty would be rather generous. You then crossed over into pendanticism, however, by autistically nit-picking over what Völkerwanderung “usually refers to,” when I was simply using the term to evoke the idea of a general mass movement of affiliated peoples.

    I don’t think anyone here is questioning your intelligence, my dear banana, but it must be said that you get your dander up waaaaaay too easily.

    A simple “I stand corrected” would have done, but he just had to end with a salty personal attack.

    Case in point. :P

    • Replies: @iffen
  314. iffen says:
    @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double

    but it must be said that you get your dander up waaaaaay too easily.

    Yes, I think that he does, and that was my comment to him.

    But many people like the facts to be stated correctly.

    This was my point and I had disregarded the German language issue.

    He gave an accurate and correct description of the current knowledge with regard to Europeans. Your statement about Indo-Europeans being the peoples who inhabited Europe prior to the arrival of the Indo-European/Indo-Aryan is inaccurate. They were not Indo.

    Pedantry.

    Did I mistake your use of pre for proto?

  315. @iffen

    Yes, I think that he does, and that was my comment to him.

    I tried to “agree,” but the site doesn’t seem to be registering my most recent comments. :(

    He gave an accurate and correct description of the current knowledge with regard to Europeans.

    I’m not sure why this should be a point of contention. I made a general statement about what I recalled having read concerning the pre-Indo-European inhabitants of Europe, Twinkie added something of a clarification and some additional information, and I saw no cause to contest it.

    Your statement about Indo-Europeans being the peoples who inhabited Europe prior to the arrival of the Indo-European/Indo-Aryan is inaccurate. They were not Indo.

    Pedantry.

    Did I mistake your use of pre for proto?

    If you read through my previous comments again, I think you’ll see I was specifically referring to the pre-Indo-Europeans (as a point of comparison with the pre-Columbian inhabitants of the Americas and utu’s comment concerning the same).

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