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Egor Prosvirnin Gets Shoahed. Is Novorossiya Next?

One of the more frustrating misconceptions Westerners have about Russia – including even many of the more well meaning ones – is that Putin is some kind of nationalist.

He is not. Nor was he ever.

It appeared he might be sort of leaning in that direction in the heady days after Crimea’s return into Russia. For the first time, he even started using the term russkie – ethnic Russians, as opposed to the multiethnic, and about as fictional as “Soviet,” nationality called rossiyane – in some of his speeches. But since then he moved back into old forms and familiar habits, and the wholesale “regathering of the Russian lands” that many (but far from all – it’s complicated) Russian nationalists were salivating after in mid-2014 wasn’t to happen.

This is not, of course, to say that Putin is a bad leader, or anti-Russian, like the real Russian nationalists have always claimed. It is not exactly a secret that yours truly believes he is objectively better for the Russian nation and its ethnic minorities than any plausible liberal or Communist opposition alternative. But apart from being a patriot, Putin is also an ethnic blank slatist. No nationalist of whatever stripe would have allowed large-scale Central Asian immigration into the Slavic Russian heartlands, which even many of my decidedly anti-nationalist and cosmopolitan acquaintances in Russia have complained about.

And most nationalists would have supported Novorossiya to the hilt, Western sanctions and ostracism be damned. Ironically Putin might get damned either way. It doesn’t much matter if you steal $10,000 (Crimea) or $10 billion (Novorossiya and Malorossiya) from a bank. Either way, the (world) police is going after you. I personally don’t fully buy this argument 100%, but it should be stressed that this has been one of the main domestic criticisms of Putin’s Ukraine policy from the Right (which in Russia includes the Hard Left, i.e. the Communists). And these criticisms are arguably far more potent and potentially dangerous for Putin than criticisms from pro-Western liberals for going against the West.

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Egor Prosvirnin, the chief editor of Sputnik i Pogrom, the closest thing Russia has to a US-style Alt Right.

It is in this context that we the see the police search of Egor Prosvirnin’s apartment, and the confiscation of his computer and other electronics.

Egor Prosvirnin is the chief editor of Sputnik i Pogrom (SiP), a Russian nationalist glossy magazine. Unlike most of the Neo-Nazis and liberal nationalists, they are ardent supporters of Novorossiya, and tend to idolize Tsarism and the White movement. Prosvirnin has met with Igor Strelkov on several occasions and SiP has been responsible for raising several millions of dollars in humanitarian aid and in organizing “vacations” to the lush resorts of the Donbass. In this sense, their Novorossiya policy is in line with that of the Communists and the Eurasianist imperialists, and (to a far more limited extent) to that of the Russian state proper.

It is also the closest thing Russia has to a US-style Alt Right, though as with all European nationalist movements, it does not have the Americans’ preoccupation with race, and is far less literate on IQ matters. Its writers tend to be young, socially liberal, supportive of free speech, and unusually familiar with Europe and the US. It has been called “Russian nationalism for hipsters” by several commentators. One anecdote to illustrate this: Dugin, their “Eurasian” antithesis, appears to believe “transhumanism” is some particularly deviant variant of transgenderism. The SiPers, in stark contrast, are familiar with Ray Kurzweil and write articles about Russia’s potential role in the technological singularity.

Sometimes this familiarity with the West leads them down some very questionable avenues in which they overestimate Western wisdom and intellectual vitality. I got the (possibly mistaken) impression that Prosvirnin believes that the European immigration crisis is a devious plot by Germany to enhance its power in Europe, as opposed to Merkel being her usual dithering and feckless self. He is a militant atheist who wouldn’t be out of place at /r/atheism. He regularly cites Stratfor, and more or less reprints its geopolitical analysis. Now Stratfor might be very good at marketing itself as a “shadow CIA” but it is far less competent at actual geopolitics, or even password security for that matter. And the SiP guys are positively obsessed with the concept of “Putinsliv,” that is, the idea that Putin is going to “flush” Novorossiya anytime now. In this obsession, they are a somewhat ironic mirror image of Ukrainian “svidomy” who harp on about peremogi – victories, and zrada – betrayals, and the endless ways in which they morph and coalesce between each other.

But such minor quibbles aside, SiP is an excellent resource that regularly produces quality articles on Russian history and culture as well as on more loaded political topics, and (for Russian speakers) it is well worth its $50 annual subscription price. Its name regardless, it is not particularly anti-Semitic. It just don’t care about Jews very much (which admittedly is equivalent to anti-Semitism in many Western and Russian liberal circles).

Nor, until recently, did SiP appear to have particularly big problems with the Russian state.

What happened?

Russia does not have the First Amendment. It does have Article 282 of the Criminal Code, which criminalizes hate speech, like in most European countries. But it is a tool that has been wielded selectively, mostly against politicians of the Neo-Nazi persuasion. Incidentally, the Neo-Nazis as well as the “liberal nationalists” (mostly Krylov and the more famous Navalny) have for the most part been the Russian nationalists most against Novorossiya, seeing it as a sovok creature and praising the Ukrainian junta as the new citadel of the White Nationalist global revolution. (Asking them what they thought of this White nationalist paradise having a Jewish oligarch as Fuehrer and an Armenian sci-fi nerd as Goering was a reliable and entertaining way to trigger them).

Anyway, Article 282… a tool that has been wielded selectively… until now. In that its application against a public figure with no obvious Neo-Nazi connections and a history of support for Novorossiya is unprecedented.

Now to be fair, Prosvirnin has always been staunchly – even rabidly – anti Putin. But this never got him into legal trouble before, so that is unlikely to have been a key motivator now.

The pessimistic explanation – and one advanced by Prosvirnin himself – is that Putin is indeed plotting some great “zrada” (betrayal) against Novorossiya. Naturally, this would excite massive opposition amongst most Russian nationalists, so in this interpretation the confiscation of Prosvirnin’s computer equipment – especially were it to lead to further arrests and prosecutions of Novorossiya supporters – could be the Russian state nipping potential opposition in the bud.

Here is the opinion of one SiP writer, Kirill Kaminets:

Now it should be noted at the outset that SiP doesn’t have a great predictive record. It is been predicting Putinsliv for more than a year now, but during this same period the DNR and LNR have consolidated themselves as functioning states, and the Novorossiya Armed Forces are far more powerful today than they were even in early 2015 during the Battle of Debaltsevo. It would be strange of Putin to have enabled all this, only to “flush” it all down later on. In any case, the Minsk Agreements are failing on all fronts – most of all thanks to helpful Ukrainian nationalists who are the main obstacle to Poroshenko implementing his side of the deal. With Minsk II in its death throes, it would be exceedingly difficult for Putin to commit his “zrada” in any plausibly face-saving way.

And yet… and yet…

If that is indeed the plan, to decisively close up the Novorossiya project, try to make amends with the junta, and hope they and the Western “partners” forget and forgive Crimea, this is pretty much what I’d be doing in Putin’s place: Harassing and seizing the computers of Novorossiya supporters, using that to build criminal cases against them, discrediting them in the media, and sending them off to prison. So this might conceivably be Step 1 of such an operation. Or it might not be. It probably isn’t.

But then again… back in July of this year, Prosvirnin on his Facebook page – I can’t locate it now, but it was certainly there – predicted that Novorossiya would soon be betrayed (nothing new) and replaced with a propaganda campaign in favor of Russian involvement in Syria, including boots on the ground (very new!).

He even argued that this would be a way of mending US-Russian relations, which certainly cuts against the conventional wisdom – both in the mainstream and the altsphere – that the West and Russia are fundamentally at odds in Syria and that the US is committed to seeing Assad go.

In effect, Russia would doing the “dirty” work of wrapping up the Syrian Civil War with the quiet acquiescence and approval of the West and the Gulf Arab states while they get to wash their hands of it, condemn Russia, take meaningless symbolic actions against it (e.g. requesting that Greece close its airspace to Russian military cargo only for Greece to promptly refuse it), and otherwise quietly shake Putin’s hand and congratulate him with the restoration of order in the Levant and, in the Europeans’ case, for helping end the refugee crisis.

And for all my, and the Saker’s, prior skepticism… some of this does seem to be happening.

Russians tanks and gunships are appearing in the Alawite heartlands. Bases are getting expanded. According to the latest reports from gazeta.ru (an anti-Kremlin publication), Russian military contractors are being sent to Syria to fight for Assad against their will.

It looks increasingly that Prosvirnin must have either guessed very, very well… or that he had very, very senior informants in the Kremlin.

If this version of affairs is in any way accurate, then it appears that Putin is setting himself up for a fail of epic, 1989-like proportions.

My operating assumption is that the US does not tend to honor those of its commitments that are not both written and binding (just ask Gorbachev about NATO expansion). Imagine that Russia “sorts out” Syria, assuming onto itself the opprobrium of keeping “bloody Assad” in power and doubtless taking some military casualties in the process to boot. Assume it also betrays Novorossiya, as Prosvirnin has been insisting it would for over a year now. Assume it does all this on some promise from the US to drop sanctions, accept Crimea, and help reintegrate Russia into the international (read: Western) community.

But why would it?

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on… shame on you, as that old Texan saying somewhere in Tennessee goes. If Putin falls for a trap this obvious, he will have nobody to blame himself. And with an approval rating now presumably in tatters, he will find both nationalists and liberals coming at him with knives unsheathed (unless, perhaps, he takes care of them beforehand).

But it is also this very obviousness that is also the best argument against it. Say what you will of him, but one thing Putin definitely is not, is stupid.

The alternative explanation, and one in line with the theory of the “mnogokhodovka” – the idea or faith amongst pro-Kremlin commentators that Putin has a very devious, multi-step plan for final victory in Ukraine – is that Putin does plan to walk into this trap but to then spring it on the US itself. If so, it would be fascinating to see this play out.

The third, and in my opinion likeliest scenario, is that both Prosvirnin and I are overanalyzing things, that the case against Egor is just what it says on the tin (alleged hate speech in one of SiP’s articles), and that nothing particularly radical is happening in either Syria or Ukraine.

Though in fairness to Prosvirnin, he at least has the benefit of his conspiracy theories being given weight by the heavy, arbitrary hand of the Russian justice system.

 
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  1. “Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on… shame on you”

    Here’s the actual quote: “Fool me once, shame on… Shame on you… Fool me, can’t get fooled again!”

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  2. I’ve always thought that Putin only wanted to create a frozen conflict by annexing Crimea (as was done in Georgia in 2008) thus preventing Ukraine from joining NATO.

    I can’t find them at the moment but Strelkov did write some memos – almost immediately leaked, probably on purpose – where he mentions Putin by name in the context of help not being forthcoming. I may be wrong but I doubt the Kremlin ever had any plans to create/support separatist regions in eastern Ukraine but its hand was forced.

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  3. @ilkarnal
    "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on… shame on you"

    Here's the actual quote: "Fool me once, shame on... Shame on you... Fool me, can't get fooled again!"

    It depends on if he is quoting Scotty from Star Trek or not.

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  4. I remember SiP being in trouble with the law last year, at the height of the Donbass War, though I don’t think it was this serious then. When Strelkov was fired and Mozgovoy was KILLED, those were not signs that Novorossiya was being given up. I don’t think it will be given up while Putin is in power.

    One can think up complicated conspiracy theories about what’s going on in Syria, and sometimes complicated conspiracy theories turn out to be right, but I think that the simpler explanation – Russia is stepping up its support of an old ally – is more likely to be true than the complicated ones. And if that simple explanation is true, that’s evidence of the heating up of Cold War II, not of a trade or of imminent surrender.

    I disagree with a lot of what Prosvirnin says, but his FB postings are a lot of fun to read. It takes major brains to write that well. And there’s interesting stuff in the magazine as well.

    My view of the USSR is “pre-war bad, post-war good”. His is “all bad”. I agree with Anatoly about his attitude to religion. Darwin was right and Genesis was wrong, but that doesn’t mean that the major faiths’ life advice is bad. Actually it’s very good advice, much better than what most secularists offer. One of the reasons for my respect for the post-WWII USSR is that it resurrected most of the traditional morality that the early Bolsheviks tried to stamp out.

    Prosvirnin knows the West better than most Russian writers and is influenced by it more. And not all of that influence is bad – I think he’s hip to HBD, for example. He’s at an age when people’s views can still change, and when such change occurs, it’s usually away from social liberalism, not towards it.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    One can think up complicated conspiracy theories about what’s going on in Syria, and sometimes complicated conspiracy theories turn out to be right, but I think that the simpler explanation – Russia is stepping up its support of an old ally – is more likely to be true than the complicated ones.
     
    As I said at the end, I do think that's the likeliest explanation.

    Though its a real puzzle why the police have only taken an interest in him now of all times, when SiP's popularity has in actuality been in steep decline over the past year.

    My view of the USSR is “pre-war bad, post-war good”. His is “all bad”.
     
    He is also a bit too sympathetic to Tsarist Russia. Obviously it had a lot of good points - more than pre-war USSR, for that matter - but his attitude towards it is an equally simplistic "all good."

    And not all of that influence is bad – I think he’s hip to HBD, for example.
     
    Actually that I really doubt. Hence my comments about Russian nationalism's (including Prosvirnin's) IQ illiteracy.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/633007629879541761
  5. I would always compare Putin with Charles De Gaulle, just a lot more greedy. I would compare the concept of Novorossiya with that of a French Algeria, unrealisable for a pragmatist.

    There might be enough support in Kharkov and Odessa but there isn’t elsewhere. The Kremlin looked at the opinion polls and realised that they had the support for annexation there but it just wasn’t there elsewhere, perhaps also in the Donbass. They would have to fight for it themselves with the war itself generating the necessary support for a strong realignment with Russia. Crimea is also valuable real estate, the rest is a mess, an economic burden that Russia cannot afford. I have always assumed the Kremlin’s goal is highly decentralised non aligned Ukraine, that is an outcome that is currently realisable when the current Kiev regime inevitably collapses. I suspect the big concern would be that only the Donbass gets devolved powers and not the rest of the South and East.

    Syria makes a lot of sense, supporting an ally proving the value of such agreements, geopolitical win both in the region and worldwide, national security reasons, kudos in Europe with the current refugee situation and buying leverage in the Ukraine.

    Overarching conspiracies require too much sophistication and tend to come unstuck by events. Putin is freezing Ukraine and waiting to see what happens. Pragmatic.

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  6. Most people who support the DNR/LNR would be horrified to know some of the things Prosvirnin has written in the past, and would not regard his getting harassed as a tragic event. Like not a few bloggers, he takes himself way too seriously. There is definitely no sliv, as one can see by the local elections there going ahead without reference to svidomite “law”.

    [Dugin, their “Eurasian” antithesis, appears to believe “transhumanism” is some particularly deviant variant of transgenderism.]

    Dugin is wrong on many things, but certainly right on this.

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  7. @Glossy
    I remember SiP being in trouble with the law last year, at the height of the Donbass War, though I don't think it was this serious then. When Strelkov was fired and Mozgovoy was KILLED, those were not signs that Novorossiya was being given up. I don't think it will be given up while Putin is in power.

    One can think up complicated conspiracy theories about what's going on in Syria, and sometimes complicated conspiracy theories turn out to be right, but I think that the simpler explanation - Russia is stepping up its support of an old ally - is more likely to be true than the complicated ones. And if that simple explanation is true, that's evidence of the heating up of Cold War II, not of a trade or of imminent surrender.

    I disagree with a lot of what Prosvirnin says, but his FB postings are a lot of fun to read. It takes major brains to write that well. And there's interesting stuff in the magazine as well.

    My view of the USSR is "pre-war bad, post-war good". His is "all bad". I agree with Anatoly about his attitude to religion. Darwin was right and Genesis was wrong, but that doesn't mean that the major faiths' life advice is bad. Actually it's very good advice, much better than what most secularists offer. One of the reasons for my respect for the post-WWII USSR is that it resurrected most of the traditional morality that the early Bolsheviks tried to stamp out.

    Prosvirnin knows the West better than most Russian writers and is influenced by it more. And not all of that influence is bad - I think he's hip to HBD, for example. He's at an age when people's views can still change, and when such change occurs, it's usually away from social liberalism, not towards it.

    One can think up complicated conspiracy theories about what’s going on in Syria, and sometimes complicated conspiracy theories turn out to be right, but I think that the simpler explanation – Russia is stepping up its support of an old ally – is more likely to be true than the complicated ones.

    As I said at the end, I do think that’s the likeliest explanation.

    Though its a real puzzle why the police have only taken an interest in him now of all times, when SiP’s popularity has in actuality been in steep decline over the past year.

    My view of the USSR is “pre-war bad, post-war good”. His is “all bad”.

    He is also a bit too sympathetic to Tsarist Russia. Obviously it had a lot of good points – more than pre-war USSR, for that matter – but his attitude towards it is an equally simplistic “all good.”

    And not all of that influence is bad – I think he’s hip to HBD, for example.

    Actually that I really doubt. Hence my comments about Russian nationalism’s (including Prosvirnin’s) IQ illiteracy.

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    Zemfira De Virgilis "shines" with her intellect (or lack thereof) and, I am sure, very high IQ.
  8. Anatoly; In the west liberals (YUPPIE capitalists) believe they are Leftists. So I dismiss any claims of intelligence for them. None of them live among poor minorities either. They also don’t know what the word democracy means. My personal opinion is they should stay with posting videos of kittens on the internet because as a political movement they’re a disaster.

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  9. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    He is not. Nor was he ever.

    Good start. Having said this, including still being flabbergasted by his insistence on the fact that the bunch of ignorant liberal hacks can run serious economy, it has to be said that, unlike Prosvirin, Putin is briefed every morning (or evening, or whenever) by one of the best intel and analytical teams money can buy. Mentioning STRATFOR in this context is a bit redundant. Mr. Friedman is a….gamer, however versed in Operational Theory, who would never be allowed near anyone in Moscow who have serious strategic and operational decision making capacity. Putin, being a shrewd politician, saddled an overwhelming Russian sentiment very well and for Crimea and Sevastopol a lot will be (and already has been) forgiven to him in the mid-term perspective. As per true analyst of this whole Ukraine situation–nobody is even in the same league as Rostislav Ishenko, even when he is off somewhat. Ishenko’s advantage? he is a very good historian who have an idea about military operational and strategic issues.

    P.S. I always liked conclusion to Herbert’s Dune. You know–the “higher plan”, of which Bene Gesserit “was not aware”.

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  10. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anatoly Karlin

    One can think up complicated conspiracy theories about what’s going on in Syria, and sometimes complicated conspiracy theories turn out to be right, but I think that the simpler explanation – Russia is stepping up its support of an old ally – is more likely to be true than the complicated ones.
     
    As I said at the end, I do think that's the likeliest explanation.

    Though its a real puzzle why the police have only taken an interest in him now of all times, when SiP's popularity has in actuality been in steep decline over the past year.

    My view of the USSR is “pre-war bad, post-war good”. His is “all bad”.
     
    He is also a bit too sympathetic to Tsarist Russia. Obviously it had a lot of good points - more than pre-war USSR, for that matter - but his attitude towards it is an equally simplistic "all good."

    And not all of that influence is bad – I think he’s hip to HBD, for example.
     
    Actually that I really doubt. Hence my comments about Russian nationalism's (including Prosvirnin's) IQ illiteracy.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/633007629879541761

    Zemfira De Virgilis “shines” with her intellect (or lack thereof) and, I am sure, very high IQ.

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  11. […] of Egor Prosvirnin, editor of the nationalist Russian website Sputnik i Pogrom. As Anatoly Karlin explains, Prosvirin has been a fervent supporter of the rebellion in Donbass. He is also vehemently […]

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  12. The opposition in Russia, in particular those being so western oriented, are an obvious node from which to destabilize the country. And the west operates from many directions. The push-pull pair of communism/tsarism can be used to trip the quasi-stable investment-friendly situation where a more constructive behaviour on the western part will enable rapid development without any ideological straightjacket.
    And some of you mention Syria. Sounds a bit lame to say Russia is helping an old ally. As I understand it the Us aims to route pipelines to Europe from ME and cutoff Russian exports to southern Europe. The Russian navy’s access to the mediterranean is another reason. A third is the probable intention of the Us to attack Russia and China by proxy and Syria might turn into a new basecamp and source of funding for them. The Us pretending they cant do anything about it, just like they pretend today.

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  13. […] this point, it’s worth quoting the main parts of SiP’s “conspiracy theory” as I recounted it (otherwise known in Russian discussions as “Putinsliv” theory, […]

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