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I will be in Saint-Petersburg next week (Nov 18-25), where I will give a talk on dysgenics at an event organized by the Chernaya Sotnia publishing house, but otherwise engaging in touristy pursuits.

(Funny how both my two trips to SPB since 2017 are to be at the invitation of nationalists who want to hear about HBD topics).

After that, I will spend another two days in Tver, though hopefully also making a day trip to Torzhok, so that’s quite a few travel reports coming up in the near future: https://akarlin.com/travel/

I did not like Gandhara.

There is a lot of material in this OT, since I haven’t done a links roundup since Oct 25.

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More notable posts since the last Open Thread in case you missed any of them.

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  • Vesti: Interview with Maria Butina
  • PEW: European Public Opinion Three Decades After the Fall of Communism
  • *sinotriumph* Zhang Xin: “Russian students are the largest group of international students too in my school, along with a sizable group from former Soviet space (2 are from FEFU this year) I hear more Russian than English or Chinese among international students.
  • Rus Av Insider: A first image of Slon, the proposed new Russian super heavy freighter
  • Steve Sailer: Putin to Have Genetically Selected Army
  • Carl Zha: “Marking 102th anniversary of the October Revolution: Chinese soldiers of the Red Army. 200,000 Chinese laborers went to Russia during WW1. 10,000 of them build Murmansk Railway in Arctic Circle. 40,000-50,000 joined the Red Army in Russian Revolution.
    • There’s generally a sort of very karmic justice to which countries ended up going commie.
  • William Dunkerley: Covert Operative In Ukraine Controversy Revealed To Be Associated Press
  • Henry Foy: “how Bashar al-Assad’s cousins have shifted cash to Russia as the Syrian war has raged, buying up luxury apartments in some of Moscow’s most exclusive skyscrapers
    • I have long advocated that Russia needs to become a global safe haven for billionaire crooks on the UK model. It already has all the prerequisites – world class megapolis in Moscow, elite ski resorts, gambling in Sochi, beaches there and in Crimea.
  • AK: “For the Russian survivors of the Titanic, returning to the USSR proved more dangerous than embarking on the doomed ship in the first place.
  • Catherine the Great endorsed Tropical Hyperborea.
  • DEATH OF VLADIMIR BUKOVSKY. In my opinion, Soviet dissidents showed their true colors after 1991. Some, like Solzhenitsyn, hated the USSR because they loved Russia. For others, such as Bukovsky, it was Russia that they hated all along. It was instructive that almost no Western media outlets mentioned his confession of possessing child pornography before a British court (incidentally, I wrote about it at the time, which led Eliezer Yudkowsky to ban me from his accounts).

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  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. Ah, a nice big open thread. That’s my reading material sorted until 3am.

    1: Will there be an audio/video/text recording of the St.P talk?

    2: In regards the Ford class carriers, it’s looking increasingly like the USN will have to shelve or curtail its big projects. The ‘next generation’ Zumwalt Class DDGs were so costly, delayed, and unreliable that 29 of the planned 32 were cancelled. It would not surprise me if the Ford Class carrier programme is reduced from 10 to 5 or something along those lines. The same goes for the Columbia Class SSBNs which will supposedly begin construction in 2021. Compared to Chinese naval production, this is an extremely worrying trend for the US if they want to retain any semblance of dominance in the Pacific past 2030. It will be interesting to see how Russian projects fare by comparison, I’m encouraged by the Borei and Project 22220 icebreakers.

    3: zrada zrada zrada

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  3. Will there be an audio/video/text recording of the St.P talk?

    Very likely, yes.

    I think the Zumwalt has some parallels with HMS Warrior.

    It was the definition of a transitional ship – midway between sail and steam; between wood and metal; between cutlasses and Enfield rifles; between cannonballs and shells. But this same ambition created quite a few problems and it didn’t stay commissioned very long by naval standards. I suspect this is the fate that awaits the Zumwalt class.

  4. songbird says:

    Regarding the application of physiognomy to criminality (more on the level of gut instinct than science), here is my short record:

    1.) Observed Aaron Hernandez doing PR work for the New England Patriots. Saw his face and his tats, and thought he was an especial punk, even among NFL players. Didn’t realize he was a closet homo though. I wouldn’t have necessarily said murderer but wasn’t too surprised.

    2.) Many years ago, watched a short part of a TV program on the Good Friday Peace Agreement. In the clip, they were interviewing Michael Stone, who was infamous for throwing a grenade at an IRA funeral in Belfast. They stated how they were going to release him as part of the peace deal, and moved particularly by his facial morphology and manner of speaking, more even than his past history, I thought it was a really bad idea.

    Of course, Stone was arrested some 6 years later for trying to attack Stormont. He made such an impression on me that I remembered his face, when they showed it on the news.

    • Replies: @AltSerrice
  5. @songbird

    Stone and his ilk represent the apotheosis of a very dysgenic section of Northern Irish protestant society that has been suffering the same ills as the post-apocalyptic deindustrialised wastelands of North/Midlands Britain but combined with the hopelessness of being part of a fake national identity experiencing death by demographics and their own politics mistakes.

    Northern Ireland is a welfare state par excellence in terms of its ability to destroy the souls and motivation of large sections of society. Take a walk around some of Belfast’s less prosperous areas and you see Michael Stones in every chippy and betting parlour – beefcake gorillas with deep-set eyes devoid of life, slowly morphing into the character from the Norf meme. They’ll be stuffing their flabby jaws with whatever prolefeed is cheapest while witlessly disparaging their politically opposed neighbours with whom they actually have a great amount in common (unfortunately).

    They’re kept on a leash by the bread and circuses of 21st century Anglo society, but even endless repeats of Love Island and Sportsball can’t stop them from unleashing their natural urge to riot once or twice a year.

    Belfast, great city.

    • Replies: @songbird
  6. fnn says:

    How much land is taken up by those German wind and solar farms?

  7. Dmitry says:

    Are any people here, fans of astronomy, which can recommend interesting books?

    I’ve been a little interested since I was a child (even read old texts of Galileo), but not studied it, did not study physics when I was in the university.

    When I’m looking at books in the shops are either too popularist, or they sell very expensive textbooks for students who have already studied astrophysics (this is the kind of text they sell in the shops https://assets.cambridge.org/97811070/10741/excerpt/9781107010741_excerpt.pdf ) .

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  8. La Wik article on Bukovsky included only Bukovsky’s denials. I added a link to that Guardian article quoting the prosecutor, who says that Bukovsky told detectives he himself had been downloading the images for 15 years. We’ll see how long the edit lasts before Lyudmila Alexeyeva gets to it.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  9. How deracinated do you have to be to be a Latino and believe that the US *never* interfered in *any* foreign election?

    No need to be “deracinated”, being stone ignorant and completely disinterested is enough.

    Approximately 32 million adults in the United States can’t read, according to the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development found that 50 percent of U.S. adults can’t read a book written at an eighth-grade level.

    https://medium.com/@OneYoungWorld_/32-million-american-adults-cant-read-why-literacy-is-the-key-to-growth-818996739523

    Remember this statistic, when you read any polls or any analysis “what American people think about X” where X is something that does not directly impact daily life.

    • Replies: @another anon
  10. @Dmitry

    Have you tried Oxford’s Very Short Introductions? These have real content but can still be read lying in bed without resorting to pencil and paper calculations.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  11. @another anon

    More data: about half of eligible American voters do not register, do not vote, the greatest circus in the world leaves them cold.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

    They do not care about their own elections, and do you expect them to care about someone else’s?

  12. Sean says:

    Oligarchs from across the world donate to the Tory party for the same reason as their British peers: to defend their wealth and privilege and to buy access to the government of a key node in international money laundering networks. It has nothing to do with “Russian influence”.“

    Like Cameron before him, Boris is a representative of the City of London, who insist on being free to leverage and create bubbles like the current property one (and immigration is essential to keep it inflated). The attempt by the EU to stop the City leveraging was a major reason for the minority elite support for Brexit,

    British police officers gave sworn statements that Vladimir Bukovsky told them he had deliberately dowbloaded child ponograph. It was politically inconvenient to discredit Bukovsky at the very moment when Putin Polonium shenanigans began a diplomatic break with the UK, but the law enforcement system took its course. The rules based order in Britain is the reason why Russian oligarchs put their money there. Billionaire crooks from all over the world know that the prime minister cannot have someone killed or appropriate all their money. Britain’s loosely regulated City of London is world champ by encouraging flows of dirty money.

    https://intelligence.org/2018/02/28/sam-harris-and-eliezer-yudkowsky/ The little big problem is the arms race aspect, where maybe DeepMind wants to build a nice AI, maybe China is being responsible because they understand the concept of stability, but Russia copies China’s code and Russia takes off the safeties. That’s the little big problem, which is still a very large problem.

    Eliezer Yudkowsky can’t see the sense in Nick Bostrom’s suggestion of an Artificial General Intelligence being used only as an ‘oracle’ to answer carefully defined questions in a limited reply (to prevent it manipulating humans), but he thinks Putin can spread fascism globally unless everyone else stops making comments Yudkowsky does not like. Decision theory: anyone who does not act as we like must be treated as an enemy.
    Also

    Eliezer: It’s in this sense that I mean that there’s no fire alarm for artificial general intelligence. There’s all sorts of things that could be signs. AlphaZero could be a sign. Maybe AlphaZero is the sort of thing that happens five years before the end of the world across most planets in the universe. We don’t know. Maybe it happens 50 years before the end of the world. You don’t know that either. […] There’s this lovely tweet by a fellow named McAfee, who’s one of the major economists who’ve been talking about labor issues of AI. I could perhaps look up the exact phrasing, but roughly, he said, “Guys, stop worrying! We have NO IDEA whether or not AI is imminent.” And I was like, “That’s not really a reason to not worry, now is it?”

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  13. Dmitry says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    can still be read lying in bed

    After searching online a lot now, I found an introductory textbook which looks interesting – I think I will order this one (I don’t know if you or anyone here has read it?). I can’t find a preview, but it is probably the adequate level for people who have not studied physics in the university?
    https://www.cambridge.org/academic/subjects/physics/astronomy-general/astronomy-evolving-universe-9th-edition?format=PB&isbn=9780521800907

  14. Scott Alexander: New Atheism: The Godlessness That Failed

    Scott Alexander is right that atheism is dead.

    He is wrong why.
    New Atheism was never about “progress” “science” or “rational thought”.
    New Atheism was about revenge.

    Revenge of the nerds against their Christian fathers who were beating them, Christian priests who were molesting them, Christian mothers who were burning their Dungeons & Dragons and Harry Potter books.

    And revenge is one of the strongest forces that can motivate men. Ask Count Monte Christo.

    So what happened to atheism?
    Simple: the nerds won. The Christians lost. The revenge was succesful.
    The last gasp of Christians was in the mid 00’s when they spent their last remains of influence to support Dubya’s war and push creationism to schools.

    Now, after 15 years:

    American Christians support the most unchristian, most brazenly sinful and depraved man you can imagine.
    Gay marriage is legal everywhere, everybody who wants to be somebody is LGBTQ now.
    Dungeons & Dragons are fully mainstream, Harry Potter is seen as one of the greatest works of literature.
    The idea that any of presidential candidates will invoke Jesus, Bible and “Christian moral values” is laughable.
    The Pope worships pagan goddess, does not believe in resurrection of Jesus anymore, and billions of Catholics worldwide do not give a shit.

    Christianity is dead as political force. Atheism is dead because it decisively won. Atheism is dead because it is no longer needed.

    (my comment is about US and Western world – in Islamic and Hindu worlds, where the fight is going on. Visit some atheist sites and discussions, and you will see most active atheists are ex-Muslims and ex-Hindus)

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  15. songbird says:
    @AltSerrice

    Of course, one of the difficulties in attempting to construct a death count of the Troubles is the fact that many of the partisans were criminals engaged in nonsectarian gang activities. While the many acts of terror are lamentable, I think the peace process itself was somewhat disgusting.

    Among other matters, this blank-slatism of releasing terrorists who were probably natural-born criminals. Ireland giving up its constitutional claim to the whole of Ulster – an abandonment of blood and soil, which is an essential nationalist principle, without even considering reunification directly.

    In general, the subversion of the desire of two closely related peoples to get along, into a sub-rosa multiculturalism. As well as the way that the hard-bought lessons have been ignored, and the politicians involved are now shown to be feckless traitors to their own people.

    I haven’t been to Ireland in a great many years, and I think it would break my heart to see it now.

  16. songbird says:

    By an act of kritarchy, the German government have unbanned Wolfenstein-3D.

    They probably realized that most video games featuring Nazis are good propaganda for the regime, and they can still ban any exception, in the unlikely event one ever arises. It is amazing how long it took them to realize this.

    Maybe, it is this era of woke video games that convinced them?

  17. There’s generally a sort of very karmic justice to which countries ended up going commie

    That would imply that Tsarist Russia had it coming, a strange position to take for a Russian wannabe imperialist.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  18. India’s not doing so well.

    On top of this, India saw a net decline in jobs during the same period.

    Superpower 2020 jokes write themselves at this point.
    I expect further Indian migration to accelerate substantially in the coming decade.

    There’s also a question for political ‘scientists’ here. Modi has done exceptionally well despite a very poor economy. Requires fundamental re-examination of “it’s the economy, stupid” models. That may work in largely secular, individualistic contexts where people vote largely on material basis. But is such a model feasible going forward, given that nationalism is rising everywhere?

  19. melanf says:

    Steve Sailer: Putin to Have Genetically Selected Army

    It would be better at first just to dismiss outright idiots (such as army press Secretary Konashenkov)

  20. Denis says:

    BOLIVIA EVENTS: Evo Morales did redistribution – share of wealth held by poorest decile doubled – but maintained macroeconomic sanity, unlike Venezuela. But that itself was a consequence of not purging neoliberal technocrats. Lesson – socialism unworkable without purges?

    The lesson is that governments in the western hemisphere that try to pursue independence from America get screwed.

  21. neutral says:

    Afghanistan’s Last Jews Were Freed From Prison Because They Were So Annoying

    Hahaha, so true, if there were a world survey about the most annoying people in the world then the jews would no doubt be number one.

  22. Pericles says:
    @songbird

    I haven’t been to Ireland in a great many years, and I think it would break my heart to see it now.

    Well, without reunification, NI at least hasn’t been lured into hell by Jews and gay Indians. Not yet at least.

  23. @Thulean Friend

    It is called revanchism, not imperialism. Get your terminology right.

    Actually I have argued exactly that: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/sixth-proof/

    • Replies: @another anon
  24. Why is rap music so popular in Russia/Slavic countries? It seems to be the main form of popular music in those countries nowadays and there are many white rappers in those countries.

    I don’t think it’s as popular in the UK, most rappers in the UK are black. In fact I struggle to think of any white rappers in Britain. I don’t think native British people are really that into rap music/black culture actually. White popular music in the UK tends to be either generic pop music or electronic music like dubstep, drum and bass, etc or folk-pop type music.

    • Replies: @Brown boi
  25. Mr. Karlin frequently lauds the reduction in mortality rates from external causes in Russia. However, Russia is a world leader in a category of deaths called deaths from unidentified causes. 25% of all deaths from external courses in Russia have an unidentified nature; in developed countries this figure is well below 5%.

    This tells us that the real murder and suicide rates are higher.

    For instance, the suicide rate estimate provided by the WHO, which assigns unidentified causes proportionally, is more reliable and this number (around 25) firmly puts Russia in top five countries in the world by suicide rates.

    In short: russian office for statistics cheats, Russia is still way behind developed world in mortality indicators.

    Read more here: http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2012/0535/analit010.php

    • Replies: @melanf
  26. Russia as a secular civilizing force in Syria.

    https://twitter.com/LostWeapons/status/1194639464338837505 (NSFW – Russians (presumably Wagner sociopathic scum) in cahoots with Syrians beheading/chopping an arm of a corpse).

    https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/987809044223201280 (NSFW – Russians smashing man’s legs and arms with a hammer)

    Videos are not recent. Victims might as well be ISIS villains. Still, this is a part of a historic pattern of Russian cruelty when their hand are completely untied.

    This is why I get physically angry when I read complete idiots like Stephen Cohen decrying NATO explansion to EE post 1991 (probably the only unequivocally morally sound decision that org made post Soviet collapse).

    • Replies: @another anon
    , @Korenchkin
  27. @Anatoly Karlin

    Rebuilding Russian Empire? Nothing than waste of time.

    Russians are called Mongols anyway, claim the name and restore the Mongol Empire, the greatest empire that ever existed 😉

    Think big, dream big, go big or go broke!

  28. melanf says:
    @Russorealist

    For instance, the suicide rate estimate provided by the WHO, which assigns unidentified causes proportionally, is more reliable and this number (around 25) firmly puts Russia in top five countries in the world by suicide rates. Read more here: http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2012/0535/analit010.php

    Yeah a 2012 article with this conclusion:

    “Сомнение вызывает и учет самоубийств: “сформировавшееся в период реформ качество российской статистики не дает исследователям возможность сделать вывод, является ли низкая значимость суицидов и малая связь ее с наблюдаемыми уровнями смертности реальным фактом, специфической чертой российской смертности в период реформ, или же артефактом, следствием плохого качества статистики, выразившейся в аномально высокой смертности от повреждений с неопределенными намерениями, куда по определению входят и убийства и самоубийства”.Цитируемые исследования в основном относятся к периоду 1990-х и началу 2000-х годов,”

    So your post is a brazen manipulation

  29. Dan Hayes says:
    @Sean

    Sean:

    The good Hitchens, Peter, would dispute you on “rules based order” reigning in modern-day Britain unless you subscribe to the belief that rules are in constant flux to conform to the current zeitgeist!

    • Replies: @Sean
  30. Svevlad says:

    Ey weren’t you supposed to come down to Serbia at some point?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  31. @songbird

    I haven’t been to Ireland in a great many years, and I think it would break my heart to see it now.

    I dated an Irish girl. She was very traditional, about as much as any modern woman can be. She said she could only “sigh” at her homeland’s state.

    • Replies: @songbird
  32. @Pericles

    Didn’t the British government just force them to accept legalized sodomite “marriage”?

  33. neutral says:
    @Thulean Friend

    This means even more Indians heading to former white lands.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  34. Nemets says: • Website

    Korean solidarity against the Japanese isn’t surprising. Toyotomi Hideyoshi’s infamously brutal invasions at the end of the 16th century are well remembered, as is the Japanese occupation 1910-1945.

    While treatment of Korean laborers during WWII wasn’t as bad as German mistreatment of Slavs, the Japanese management of Korea was considerably more intensive. The Japanese had 1 bureaucrat per 420 Koreans, destroyed much of Korea’s archives and cultural heritage, and forced assimilated in an effort to obliterate their national consciousness. The use of Korean women as sex slaves during the war is infamous enough that disputes over their memory in modern Japan and Korea make it into western news.

    Korea spent much of her history as a tributary of China and an enemy of Japan. Seems like she will revert to type as the Cold War political legacy fades away.

  35. @Svevlad

    I failed, for various reasons – I’ll still be doing it, though probably round March/April now.

  36. A Hungarian opposition MEP travels to Washington DC as a member of some EP delegation, and plans to inform them of the many problems in Hungary (“lack of rule of law” etc.) so that the Americans would do something against Orbán. She will also propose that NATO should also get involved.

    These people would literally enjoy Hungary getting bombed to remove Orbán.

    https://index.hu/kulfold/2019/11/12/cseh_katalin_magyar_jogallamisag_kerdesei_amerikai_kongresszus/

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  37. Denis says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Serbia To Receive Russian Antiaircraft Missiles Despite U.S. Sanctions Risk

    https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-to-receive-russian-anti-aircraft-missiles-despite-u-s-sanctions-risk/30257307.html

    There’s been something of a turnaround wrt the anti-air defense systems purchase.

    Granted this is referring to the Pantsir rather than the S-400, which our government is apparently too stupid to buy.

  38. Anon 2 says:
    @another anon

    Christianity will become more plausible if it rejects two Jewish claims
    from the Book of Genesis:

    (1) that God created the world

    (2) that God created human bodies

    No intelligent person can subscribe to Claim 1, due to the evil and suffering
    we see around us, or Claim 2, certainly not since Darwin. Physics is moving
    toward the view that the Universe is artificial, more like a video game or
    an amusement park. In other words, a v. lifelike simulation that we are watching
    while being perfectly safe at a higher level of reality. This view is nothing new –
    I recall decades ago it was popular to say that the Universe was a botched
    third-grade science project constructed by a C student in some advanced
    civilization.

    I subscribe to panentheism (from pan en theos = all in God) which emphasizes
    the immanent view of divinity. The development of the immanent view,
    i.e., paganism, was rudely interrupted by the rapid growth of the Jesus
    movement which later became Christianity. Paganism needs to be cleaned
    up of superstition – today’s paganism contains too much sex magick, love
    potions, and all manner of nonsense for my taste. Let’s not forget that
    the ancient Greeks were smarter than the ancient Hebrews (who never did
    any science), and return to our own European traditions. All religions, like
    all scientific models and theories, are approximations anyway. Just as in
    science we are moving toward better and better approximations, in religion we
    should do the same. I’d like to recommend the latest approximation to Christianity,
    call it Christianity 2.0: A Course in Miracles (1976) – 1350 pages, and A Course
    of Love (1999) – 750 pages. I’m not aware of anything better in terms of
    a balanced synthesis of Christianity and paganism (and radical rejection of
    the Old Testament), i.e., synthesis of transcendent and immanent divinity.
    An added plus – much of A Course in Miracles employs beautiful Shakespearean
    iambic pentameter. It’s a joy to read and learn from.

  39. @The Big Red Scary

    (incidentally, I wrote about it at the time, which led Eliezer Yudkowsky to ban me from his accounts).

    I did not see this at the time and enjoyed reading it today.

    Is there a word you prefer for people who have a high IQ and regularly behave like morons? I like sperglord but it is not in the dictionary and few people know or want to know what it means and I could use a better word!

    • Replies: @songbird
  40. @Anon 2

    No intelligent person can subscribe to Claim 1, due to the evil and suffering
    we see around us

    Good lord, are you 12? How can somebody so infantile actually drum up the motivation to post here instead of commenting cat videos on Youtube?

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  41. Brown boi says:
    @Anon 2

    You sound like a gay nerd, you’re not #Pagang

  42. Anon 2 says:
    @anonymous coward

    ‘Evil and suffering,’ among many other reasons. I wasn’t about
    to write a whole essay disputing classical apologetics. Cosmology
    and neo-Darwinism make traditional Christianity implausible.
    My goal was to briefly summarize what many consider to be
    a more plausible approximation to standard Christianity.

    Nevertheless, the argument from evil and suffering is very potent
    for many people. For example, they will say, “Where was God when
    this or that genocide was taking place?” And Christianity 2.0 will
    respond, “Don’t blame God. He didn’t create our Universe. Our
    Universe was not created, it was made.” For details I refer you
    to the two treatises I mentioned before. You want me to summarize
    a 1350-page treatise in two paragraphs? You’ve got to do some
    work yourself and consult my references.

    In any case, smart chimps like us have no access to absolute truth.
    The best we have is slowly improving approximations. I’m sure
    we’ll know a little bit more in 500 years.

    • Replies: @another anon
    , @Anon 2
  43. @anything goes

    The cutting edge of anarcho-neocon Twitter agrees with you 😉

    • Replies: @another anon
  44. @Anon 2

    Nevertheless, the argument from evil and suffering is very potent
    for many people. For example, they will say, “Where was God when
    this or that genocide was taking place?”

    Traditional Christian replies were:

    1/They deserved it for their sins
    2/Suffering and martyrdom are the greatest earthly rewards for true Christian
    3/God’s ways are unknowable

    Traditionally, these arguments were sufficient, especially when accompanied with the strongest argument of all.

  45. @another anon

    All follow @WASBAPPIN and add him/her/zir/xir to your “batshit crazy Twitter” bookmark folders. This is the wave of the future.

    Here Bappin presents the 2024+ Democratic Party platform. With catchy slogans.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  46. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2

    Re: Paganism

    Most theologians will agree that the highest expression of paganism was instantiated
    in the person of Plotinus (204-270 AD), a Roman philosopher who belonged to
    the School of Neoplatonism. This was paganism at its best but it basically
    stopped developing in the third century. Hence we lost 1800 years. Therefore, it’s
    time to start developing pagan theology again. In my estimation Ken
    Wilber, a transpersonal thinker, who has tried to synthesize the best of
    Eastern thought with the best of Western thought, has made progress
    in this direction. No wonder he is America’s most translated philosopher.

    I added this comment to clarify what I mean by paganism in view of the
    fact that some commenters have no idea what pagan immanentism is.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Agathoklis
  47. @The Alarmist

    FWIW – a person identifying as Jeffrey Epstein has just signalled on 4chan that he is still alive

    [MORE]

    What makes this curious, is that this is precisely what a real Jeffrey Epstein alive in Israel would do, as it is completely deniable, and the perhaps leading place to send such a signal to say hello

    On 4chan your post will by default show a flag from the country where you are posting, but the poster can hide this by manually choosing a ‘meme flag’ … ‘Epstein’ chooses the rainbow LGBT (LGBT+P ‘paedo’?) flag here … hiding the Israeli one?

    To the first affectionate reply, ‘Epstein’ responds with the ‘heart’ notation <3 (a heart if rotated to the left) … thread is here:
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/233477121

    Epstein was known to be computer savvy and aware of key alternative information sources and disclosure locations, such as 4chan

    4chan is also where the person who claimed to be an employee at Epstein's final prison, the morning of Epstein's alleged 'death', credibly posted about Epstein being driven out of the prison in a van by people in military-type garb

    • Replies: @another anon
  48. @Brabantian

    Epstein was known to be computer savvy and aware of key alternative information sources and disclosure locations, such as 4chan

    Not really.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303

    Upstairs, to the right of a spiral staircase, is the “office,” an enormous gallery spanning the width of the house. Strangely, it holds no computer. Computers belong in the “computer room” (a smaller room at the back of the house), Epstein has been known to say.

  49. AaronB says:
    @Anon 2

    Plotinus – who got his ideas from Syrian Jews, btw 🙂 – did indeed leave a very rich legacy. These ideas were extensively developed by the Christian mystics and the Kabballah.

    These ideas are also quite similar to Eastern ideas found in Zen and Advaita, and only differ in certain emphases and matters of technique.

    Finally, you cannot “develop” these ideas. If you understand them, the whole point is that there is nothing to develop. Nowhere to go.

    “Development” is an illusion for people who believe in time and material things – both illusions.

    Finally finally, yes, these ideas are the corrective for our modern insanity and should be reintroduced in a form adapted to our times – not “developed”. Physics is making certain hesitant approaches in this directions, but the masses lag.

    Mysticism was the basis for the original scientific revolution, because it encouraged empiricism and discouraged theory. Science has now returned to scholasticism, and theoretical systems are preferred to fact, which is ignored because it is too rich and nuanced into fit into scholastic systems.

    A return of mysticism would be accompanied by a return to empiricism, and our current scientific logjam would be shattered. This would mean the “overcoming” of what we currently mean by science, and create something unrecognizable as science. Much of our current “knowledge” would be overturned – just as the scholastic “knowledge” of the Middle Ages, was. Later, this new thing will be classified, and turn into scholasticism once again.

    Quite aside from creating a New Science based on a return to empiricism, the new mysticism would shatter the rigid molds and forms our modern life has hardened into, and make us vital, natural, and spontaneous again. Energy would rush forth into the human world again.

    People like Daniel Chieh and German Reader won’t be so depressed and miserable anymore.

  50. songbird says:
    @Morton's toes

    Is there a word you prefer for people who have a high IQ and regularly behave like morons?

    Two words: clever sillies. It is an academic term, I think coined by Bruce Charlton.

    • Replies: @another anon
  51. songbird says:
    @Pericles

    There are definitely some advantages to being economically depressed.

    In an ideal world, RoI would not be pozzed, and would have instead said something like, “You cannot allow blacks and Indians into Northern Ireland because it is OUR land.” Of course, if the pozz invasion has been delayed that is all it is, unfortunately – a delayed invasion.

  52. songbird says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    One of the sad things is I don’t think a lot of Irish-Americans even realize what is being done to Ireland because it is happening so quickly. I wouldn’t at all say that the majority of Irish are for it – they voted to ban birthright citizenship, when Nigerians were using it to invade. But, as in so many other cases in the West, the general treachery of their political class knows no bounds.

  53. @songbird

    Well, I think the bigger problem is that many Irish-Americans are liberals, for which I blame the Kennedy’s.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  54. Sean says:
    @Dan Hayes

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-passports-for-sale-in-sunny-cyprus-lure-rich-russians-and-their-cash-a7732326.html

    If you can’t launder Russian money, then launder the Russian
    Rich Russians are flocking to Cyprus to become – not Russian. Foreigners can become citizens here in less than six months in exchange for investing two million euros

    Yalman Onaran,
    Vernon Silver
    Monday 15 May 2017

    It matters who stands behind a country’s banks. Where you can steal money it is as easy as pie for someone to steal it from you. Maybe the government. You want it safe as the Bank Of England.

    The rules in the City of London are the ones that enable Britain to serve international crooks and tax dodgers well. It is easy to obscure who owns property in England. It is partly because no minion can be sure that the top person will be around long long to protect them in the foreseeable future, but the fact remains that PMs like Cameron, May or Boris could not order someone’s death, or even the seizure of a person’s assets. That is a major reason why Britain (and its offshore dependencies) are where the vast majority of dirty money goes through and ends up invested.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/25/how-britain-let-russia-hide-its-dirty-money
    Over the past decade, £68bn has flowed from Russia into Britain’s offshore satellites such as the British Virgin Islands, Cayman, Gibraltar, Jersey and Guernsey. That’s seven times more money than has flowed directly from Russia into the UK. […]

    This wealth is not actually in the offshore centres – it is just registered there, which helps to obscure its origins. If you’re a Russian official whose wealth is wildly disproportionate to your salary, this anonymity allows you to spend your money in London without anyone realising you’re a crook.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  55. @AaronB

    Material things are a great evil, please part with it by going here and removing the evil from yourself.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • LOL: iffen
  56. @songbird

    Fortunately, you can easily recognize the really smart people – they are not fooled by satanic lie of materialism and know that elves, dwarves, fairies and angel Moroni are real.

    http://notionclubpapers.blogspot.com/2016/06/are-elves-and-dwarves-really-real.html

  57. Not Raul says:
    @another anon

    Yes, that’s how arguments are actually “won”.

    Actually changing someone’s mind about something that’s very important to how they see themselves through the use of logic and evidence is quite rare.

  58. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB

    ysticism was the basis for the original scientific revolution

    Quite a lot was just the practical response to new technology.

    Think about Galileo.

    It was mainly just because he had constructed a telescope with greater magnification than anyone else had (his telescopes had up to 30x magnification), and his revolutionary insights were an almost inevitable response to a fact that he could see the shape of the planets for the first time.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  59. Not Raul says:

    AK, have you thought of visiting Derbent? It looks pretty cool.

    http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1070

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  60. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry

    Sure, but he didn’t have a “theory” which interfered with observation.

    For instance, what strikes me about IQ theory is how so many facts don’t fit the theory. But in scholastic style, this is ignored and the facts that fit the theory are emphasized.

    So our science is scholastic and impoverished, and people like Daniel Chieh are depressed.

  61. Yevardian says:
    @reiner Tor

    Disgusting as it is, it’s hardly unprecedented in history for disgruntled old elites to ask foreign powers to overthrow their national government in their favour.
    But I imagine that Orban’s social-nationalist policy (or posturing at it, anyway) must be ultimately still be overwhelmingly popular amongst Hungarians outside of Budapest (otherwise he’d change tack), as Orban was basically no different from any grey centre-right politician before the chaos that followed the Őszöd speech. I mean, he’s fundamentally an opportunist with few firm principles himself, so he’s calculated on staying true to the policies that no one else is offering, otherwise he’d just be a dirtier, stupider version of his opponents.
    Do I have that right?

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  62. Dan Hayes says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan:

    My subset of NYC Irish Americans (family, relatives, neighbors, schoolmates) were and are violently anti-liberal. At the time those eligible never voted for JFK. In the interim, their anti-liberal proclivities even further hardened!

  63. Not Raul says:
    @Yevardian

    Orban seems that way to me, too. He was pretty generic until he found a brand that more people would buy. Same with Boris Johnson and Trump.

  64. @Thulean Friend

    Bad news… more of them in Canada stinking up the streets and ethnically displacing whites.

    God dammit if at least 25% of whites could grow the balls to demand closed borders that would be nice… the majority of whites are either neutral or happy about their coming minority, 2nd class citizen status.

  65. @Anatoly Karlin

    You should take the time to visit Republika Srpska if you get the chance. It would certainly be a very interesting visit from a nationalism and war tourism perspective (also a red pill on Islam as well).

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  66. Regarding the Irish Question – they simply repeated the pattern of secularism and degeneracy which inevitably results in the demographic destruction of your lands by stronger-willed forces.

    Going secular means you lose your purpose in life. Any right wing, conservative ideas ultimately ring hollow to a secular population – yeah the art and stuff is nice, but I’m dying in 50 years anyways so who really cares? Best to just put my head down. They lose the vigor and fight for life.

    Now, that Nigerian chap has plenty of spirit left. And his spirit easily overpowers the weak seculars. He has a thirst for a better life and dammit he’s going North to find it. What are you gonna do about it? You’re an atheist society with no energy.

    If the Irish were still strong Christians, they too would have the same energy as the Nigerian – thus the two sides are at a stalemate – preventing movement.

  67. Yevardian says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Barely any Bosniaks (or Albanians) were any more than the most nominal, assimilated Muslims you could find anywhere, until opportunist scum started popping out of the woodwork after 1989.

    There are places to find your ‘red pill’ on Islam, but Yugoslavia isn’t one of them. International Jihadis did pour in, but they were relatively late to the party. I actually think Germany bears a lot of responsibility for instigating the Yugoslav wars, but you won’t hear much of that here.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  68. @Yevardian

    Barely any Bosniaks (or Albanians) were any more than the most nominal, assimilated Muslims you could find anywhere, until opportunist scum started popping out of the woodwork after 1989.

    I strongly disagree with the part about “Albanians” being secular Muslims, although I am not personally knowledgeable enough to comment about whether this was true (I suspect not) for “Bosniaks” before 1989.

    International Jihadis did pour in, but they were relatively late to the party.

    Disagree about them being “late to the party”.

    I actually think Germany bears a lot of responsibility for instigating the Yugoslav wars, but you won’t hear much of that here.

    True, although I would place the highest responsibility on the USA. The “opportunistic scum”, as you call it, had to get their backing directly from somewhere:

    https://archive.org/details/TheUSLawThatPushedTheBreakUpOfYugoslaviaPublicLaw101513Nov51990MultilateralEconomicAssistance

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  69. Yevardian says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    I should hasten to add that both Tudjman and Milosevic were among such scum, both were pure power politicians who courted the support of old Chetniks and Ustasa, knowing full well the hell they risked stirring up.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  70. @Yevardian

    I should hasten to add that both Tudjman and Milosevic were among such scum, both were pure power politicians

    Have to disagree. Tudjman and Milosevic were significantly different characters.

    Tudjman was an authentic Croatian nationalist that genuinely believed in his cause and got an opportunity to achieve his goals, regardless of the unscrupulous and ruthless means he used.

    Milosevic was an atheist Montenegrin Sovok who clumsily tried (and quickly failed) to do the almost 100% impossible task of preserving Yugoslavia in the face of the world’s most powerful forces of the time, along with their local proxies, aggressively applying serious pressure to break Yugoslavia. Milosevic was much more of a “power politician” compared to Tudjman. Milosevic made many concessions (some even unnecessary) in order to simply stay in power and preserve his own position regardless of the plight of his countrymen and co-ethnics. He demonstrated many times that he was more than willing to ditch, abandon and even betray them to be mauled by their enemies than to faithfully stand with them just for a bit of security in his own position.

    There are places to find your ‘red pill’ on Islam, but Yugoslavia isn’t one of them.

    Using that word in the context of the sentence and present day time betrays your bias as someone that supports Yugoslavism and still thinks of most of the Balkans as Yugoslavia.

    Honestly, Yugoslavia isn’t going to come back. It’s similar to the USSR. Both of those entities were unnaturally, violently and artificially imposed upon their populations’ to begin with. Almost no one in either entity seriously thought of themselves as a “Yugoslav” or a “Soviet” person. Serbs and Russians had the highest percentage of these people in their ethnic groups, which is a part of the reason why they fared so horribly. You can’t have a Yugoslavia or Soviet Union without any Yugoslavs or Soviets. The bad thing isn’t that these two entities collapsed or were dissolved, but only in the way that they were broken apart.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  71. Andy says:

    About Evo, what we are listening here (I’m in Argentina) is that the problem was not so much the neoliberal technocrats (he had the civilian government bureaucracy firmly in control) but that he did not purge the Army and the Police. Venezuela by contrast thoroughly purged the army of anti-government elements, and besides since Chavez was originally a military man there were never many of them anyway. The Bolivian military never trusted Evo, but Evo believed their promises that the era of them intervening in politics was over. Alas, once the last election showed that Evo’s support had gone below 50%, the military decided to move in, using the flimsy election fraud charges as an excuse. The ridiculous bottled blonde currently in charge as “president” is widely believed here to be just a puppet for the military.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  72. @neutral

    I’ve been talking about quickly rising Indian migration to Europe outside of its traditional bastion of the UK for a while now. Eurostat’s latest first residence permits numbers (which includes all categories, students, work, refugee, family etc, so it is the single best indicator for non-EU migration). You’d probably have to click on the image to see the details.

    In all the Nordics countries Indians are now either #1 nationality (Denmark, Norway) or at least in the top 3 (Sweden, Finland). They are number 1 in places like Netherlands or Switzerland. I expect them to hit top 3 in Germany within a few years max.

    Even some EE ones like Latvia, Poland or Hungary are seeing Indians in the top 5. As India’s economy faces ruin, given that most of its growth was driven by its top 10% and never had a broad-based growth model like China with its mass-manufacturing, the country is now hitting the walls. And as a result, many more Indians will jump ship. They will become the most populous nation in 2024 and eventually peaking at 1.65-1.7 billion.

    Brush up your bellydancing, folks. And get ready to have insane amounts of Indian culinary offerings. I can already see a huge change in Stockholm over the past few years. Indian foodjoints are now nearly as popular as Chinese or Thai and new ones are popping up monthly, if not weekly.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  73. Yevardian says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Well I’ll admit, I only really know the Serbian and Albanian accounts of the Yugoslav Wars well, I don’t really know much about Tudjman’s history domestically.

    You don’t think the country could have worked even once the Albanians, Macedonians and Slovenes seceded or left? The Croat-Serb beef (along with the other meme South-Slav identities) feels like the most meaningless ethnic rivalry out there.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  74. Yevardian says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Goddamn. I’d rather have Turks, at least their language and accent isn’t ear-rape.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  75. @Andy

    the problem was not so much the neoliberal technocrats (he had the civilian government bureaucracy firmly in control) but that he did not purge the Army and the Police

    Max Blumenthal’s Grayzone has become the de facto authority on all these US coups. Their article on Bolivia spells out quite clearly that your analysis is correct. Most of Bolivia’s army and police personell spent a lot of time in the US being ‘trained’ (read: groomed), and that is ultimately what did Morales in.

    As for the reasons of the coup, the recent sale to the Chinese for Lithium was probably a key factor but the US had been trying to overthrow him before. It was probably the straw that broke the camels back. The article from the Grayzone also sheds light on how supposedly “impartial” organisations like OAS basically work hand-in-glove with US imperial demands.

    Assange’s persecution was also refused by Reporters Without Borders as a case of an imprisoned journalist. All these index-ranking organisations are completely bought in by US government imperatives. The same is true of the World Bank’s ease of doing business index, which is also manipulated. People who take those indexes seriously are complete idiots.

  76. @Yevardian

    I’d rather have Turks

    Disagree. Germany’s experience with turks leaves much to be desired. They might be better than arabs, but that is faint praise. More importantly, Indians seem to do well in the diaspora even when they are not the elite.

    Take Singapore. The vast majority of Indians in Singapore are the offspring of indentured servants who were imported by the British to do menial work. This was not the elite of their country. Yet, today Indians earn more than Chinese in Singapore.

    As for language, I will concede that turkish sounds quite pleasant compared to arabic or hebrew which sounds like incessant spitting. Though still not quite as beautiful as Persian, which is one of the most beautiful languages in the world IMO. Hindi sounds okay in comparison. Still, remember that India has many more languages than just Hindi (Telugu, Tamil, Marathi, Bengali, Kannada etc etc). Hindi is the most popular language but is still only spoken by 40% of the population as mother tongue.

  77. @another anon

    Traditional Christian replies were:

    1/They deserved it for their sins
    2/Suffering and martyrdom are the greatest earthly rewards for true Christian
    3/God’s ways are unknowable

    No, these are the traditional atheist replies. As with anything atheist, they’re mind-numbingly moronic and infantile.

    Try again.

  78. @Yevardian

    You don’t think the country could have worked even once the Albanians, Macedonians and Slovenes seceded or left?

    First, let’s get the chronology correct. Croatia and Slovenia both declared secession on the same day in 1991. When they again declared secession 3 months after the Brioni agreement moratorium on their secession, Slovenia de-facto successfully separated after it’s short war with Yugoslavia. In reality, the “Ten day War” was really a bunch of Slovene terrorists (formally Slovene Territorial Guard members) attacking the lawful JNA barracks and then massacring Serb conscripts (even shooting them in the back) that already surrendered, most infamously at Holmec. Then came the humiliating JNA reinforcement effort that literally had troops sent with no ammunition be embarrassingly placed upon the Austro-Slovene border, where both the Austrian Army and Slovene terrorists shot at them from both the front and the rear …

    Anyway, in your theoretical scenario without “Albanians”, “Macedonians” and Slovenes (assuming of course SR Croatia and Bosnia leave as well), Yugoslavia wouldn’t have really been Yugoslavia at all, it would just be de-facto Serbia. That’s what happened by late 1992 with Milosevic declaring FR Yugoslavia in reality. Yugoslavia was dead the moment Slovenia managed to successfully de-facto secede.

    The Croat-Serb beef (along with the other meme South-Slav identities) feels like the most meaningless ethnic rivalry out there.

    Do Macva and other Croat war crimes against Serbs in the Austro-Hungarian Army during WW1, Jasenovac, all the other WW2 Ustashe camps, crimes and massacres (also those from 1991-1995), Borovo Selo, Vukovar, Pakrac, Sisak, Gospic, Dalmatian Pogroms, Sijekovac, Miljevac Plateau, Operations Maslenica, Medack Pocket, Flash, Storm and etc. feel meaningless to you?

    It’s really Yugoslav-Communism that is a meme identity. Similar to Sovokism. Even Monkeydonianism is a less toxic meme than those things …

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  79. melanf says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Take Singapore. The vast majority of Indians in Singapore are the offspring of indentured servants who were imported by the British to do menial work. This was not the elite of their country. Yet, today Indians earn more than Chinese in Singapore.

    Who knows about the IQ of Indians in Singapore? If this IQ is high, then it is a fatal blow to hypotheses about the hereditary nature of IQ (at least for Indian castes)

    • Replies: @megabar
    , @Daniel Chieh
  80. @Anon 2

    Plotinos was Greek. He only lived in Roman Empire.

  81. @AaronB

    Plotinos was simply an extension of Plato. In fact, he just saw himself as a Platonist. His thought had nothing to do with Jews or Christians; although, both groups integrated some of his insights into their belief systems.

  82. Mikhail says: • Website

    Among other things, this Hungary focused piece brings up the subject of Bulgaria and how a given government (in this example post-Communist) doesn’t always reflect the overall sentiment of the people.

    https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/hungary-steady-as-she-goes/

    Excerpt –

    Q: So we have a string of independent-minded countries from Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary, all the way to Bojko Borisov in Bulgaria—strong local leaders who pursue an independent national policy…

    ST: I am not so sure about Borisov. Bear in mind that Bulgaria is far more vulnerable, both economically and politically. It is also far more deeply divided internally. I was in Sofia exactly a year ago, where a Bulgarian contact aptly told me, “we have an anti-Russian government and media machine ruling over a pro-Russian populace.” By contrast, in the case of the Visegrád Group, what binds them together is their firm opposition to any mandatory quotas for the resettlement of migrants, which Brussels had tried to impose on them. On this issue they stand firmly together, even though there is a leftist government in Bratislava, or a center-right, or outright right, in Prague, Warsaw, and Budapest; but such terms have become irrelevant anyway.

  83. Mikhail says: • Website

    November 17 CNN GPS Zakaria-Jankowicz BS on Ukraine

    Re: https://www.cnn.com/shows/fareed-zakaria-gpshttps://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2019/11/17/gps-1117-jankowicz.cnnhttps://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2019/11/15/exp-gps-1117-web-extra-jankowicz-on-what-to-call-ukraine–its-capital.cnn

    Top heavy on Ukraine, the referenced 11/17 show was top heavy on BS and evasive of real matters like the:
    – recent efforts to get the Russian and Ukrainian governments to negotiate.
    – a NYT article quoting a major a major Ukrainian oligarch (and prime backer of the current Ukrainian president), who said that Ukraine should look to Russia and de-emphasize the West.

    The segment with Nina Jankowicz misrepresents all Ukrainians preferring “Kyiv” over “Kiev”. It has been well established that a good number of Euromaidan leaning Ukrainians prefer using Russian over Ukrainian. Never mind those with a pro-Russian slant in the former Ukrainian SSR, who generally prefer Russian.

    In the same segment, there’s tap dancing over a claim that the Ukrainian government hacked the DNC, while repeating the unsubstantiated mantra about Russian meddling in the 2016 US presidential election. On that last matter, See:

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html

    No effort to delve into the credible claim of DNC-Kiev regime collusion during the 2016 US presidential election. Jankowicz disingenuously states that claim has been debunked. That’s flat out false. See:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

    https://medium.com/@stranahan/the-difference-between-wikileaks-and-cnn-is-clear-on-ukraine-dnc-election-collusion-bc5208776d38

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/25/john_solomon_democrats_attempted_to_collude_with_ukraine_in_2016.html

    When discussing Crowdstrike, the Jankowicz-Zakaria discussion omits its ties to the anti-Russian leaning and pro-Kiev regime Atlantic Council and that Crowdstrike’s claim of Russian government involvement in the 2016 US presidential election is short of being definitive.

    As I previously noted about Jankowicz as a stated disinformation expert:

    Re: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-ukraine/2019/09/26/9c32e3be-dfcd-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html &
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/469854-ukraine-disinformation-war-wapo/

    The gall of some people to speak of “disinformation”. (Somewhat on par with Samantha Power being given carte blanche on CNN, to accuse the Trump administration of “endemic corruption”.)

    Related:

    https://www.academia.edu/37358188/Michael_Averko_Consistency_and_Reality_Lacking_on_Crimea

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/07092018-consistency-and-reality-lacking-on-crimea-analysis/

  84. сейчас я турист в Москве. Can one of you local Russians please tell me where there is a comprehensive laptop retailer? I’m after a Russian-market Lenovo Thinkpad, only Lenovos I’ve seen have been the cheap ones. There must be a Russian equivalent to Best Buy which has loads of options. Спасибо вам.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  85. @Thulean Friend

    Take Singapore. The vast majority of Indians in Singapore are the offspring of indentured servants who were imported by the British to do menial work. This was not the elite of their country. Yet, today Indians earn more than Chinese in Singapore.

    This was true 30 years ago but since then the demographic composition of the Indian community has changed rapidly. Indians are by far the most highly selected immigrant group that is allowed to enter Singapore and the proportion that have shallow roots in Singapore has grown dramatically.

    As a result of these policies, the Indian population grew faster than other groups. The proportion of Indian citizens and permanent residents rose from 6.4% in 1980 to 9.0% in 2007. This was mainly due to rapid growth in the number of Indian nationals who acquired Singapore permanent residency. The changes in the size of the Indian community were also matched by changes in its socio-economic profile. Skilled immigrants have helped to raise the average income and educational levels of the community, helping to elevate the general stature of Indians in Singapore. At the same time, there is some ambivalence, and occasionally tension, between Indian immigrants on the one hand, and locally born Indians.

    Households income from work by ethnic group per head (SGD)

    Ethnic group Average household income

    1990. 2000. 2010.
    Total 3,076 4,943 7,214
    Chinese 3,213 5,219 7,326
    Malays 2,246 3,148 4,575
    Indians 2,859 4,556 7,664

    The Indians do earn 5% more than the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  86. @Thulean Friend

    Though still not quite as beautiful as Persian, which is one of the most beautiful languages in the world IMO.

    Even
    After
    All this time
    The Sun never says to the Earth,
    “You owe me.”

    Look
    What happens
    With a love like that,
    It lights the whole sky.

    Hafez
    Persian poet

    Some say a Jewish guy wrote the poem, I don’t know about that, all I know is it sounds exquisite in Farsi. 😊

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  87. I think the rioting in Hong Kong is actually making China look weak and indecisive. The Hong Kong police are clearly overwhelmed and out of their depth and the national government in Beijing seem unsure how to respond and whether to act or not, likely concerned about Western opinion on their response.

    I highly doubt such rioting would have been allowed to carry on in America as long as it has in HK and I think the death count would almost certainly be a lot higher if rioters in the US used the same level of violence they have in Hong Kong.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  88. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    On the topic of Balkan Affairs, I almost forgot to wish my fellow Serbs a happy Vukovar liberation day!

    On this day 18th November, 18 years ago in 1991, Vukovar was successfully retaken from the Croat terrorist scum 🙂

  89. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    On the topic of Balkan Affairs, I almost forgot to wish my fellow Serbs a happy Vukovar liberation day!

    Play Balkan games, win Balkan prizes.

    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/croatia-population/

    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/serbia-population/

    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/bosnia-and-herzegovina-population/

    BTW, on the topic of Titanic Affairs, I almost forgot to wish my fellow passengers a happy Furniture Rearrangement Day. Celebrate till you can!

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  90. megabar says:
    @another anon

    > 3/God’s ways are unknowable

    This line of argument is entirely reasonable. It appears silly only when people make assumptions about the nature of this universe.

  91. megabar says:
    @melanf

    > Who knows about the IQ of Indians in Singapore? If this IQ is high, then it is a fatal blow to hypotheses about the hereditary nature of IQ (at least for Indian castes)

    Not fatal, though certainly not supportive, either.

    There are many possible explanations: Only high(er)-IQ, good work-ethic servants where chosen. Only those were allowed to marry. Only those had enough money to raise large families. Perhaps more Indians would be high IQ if given adequate nutrition (iodine, etc). And so on.

    Further, it’s also possible that the IQ of these Indians isn’t particularly high, but they have other traits that allow them to make good money in a Singapore society. IQ is not the only heritable trait that is important.

    I don’t claim that any of these are true. Only that this there are lots of explanations consistent with the hereditary theory. And that absolute “proof” in any direction is hard, because the real world is very complicated.

  92. @Not Raul

    Eventually, but I want to visit about ten other places just in Russia first.

  93. @another anon

    BTW, on the topic of Titanic Affairs, I almost forgot to wish my fellow passengers a happy Furniture Rearrangement Day. Celebrate till you can!

    Your point is over-exaggerated. Honestly, as long as there are a few thousand young people (assumed healthy men and women, of course) left of any given ethnic, racial, national or religious group, there is always hope that they can turn around the demographic situation of their collective. Of course, population is power and the sooner the better, it’s just that “demographic collapse” fears are slightly over-exaggerated by many.

    Anyway, your demographic links about the Balkans actually over-exaggerate the real populations of Croatia, Serbia and BiH by anywhere from a few hundred thousand to almost a million people (shave that much off to get more accurate figures). After all, the same website states that Ukraine has a population of 43.89 million people which, as Karlin previously explained, is obviously a massive over-exaggeration of Ukraine’s actual population.

    As for TFR’s or birth rates:

    The data on your links is again incorrect. Serbia has a higher TFR compared to Croatia and BiH. Serbia’s TFR has been slowly but gradually growing since 2010 (Vucic’s rule good for Serbia’s TFR?) while Croatia’s has been erratic and BiH’s has been gradually declining.

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  94. @melanf

    I’m not sure why the obvious answer of nepotistic tolerance for corruption resulting in higher wealth hasn’t been posted by anyone. Indians can be intelligent enough, but their presence in any quantity is well known for a certain attitudes toward nepotism and wealth accumulation which well, pretty much, let them earn more.

    For example, its not uncommon for Indians with influence to place their wives into sinecures into companies where they have influence, so that more wealth goes into a man’s specific family. Chinese corruption would flow the opposite direction, for example, to lavish gift and flaunt a secretary-mistress; taking money away from his family. Perhaps it has something to do with caste endogamy as a strategy as opposed to conspicious consumption as a way to demonstrate status.

    IQ itself is a rough measure of working memory, executive function, visiospatial visualization, etc – alone obviously isn’t the universal answer to every single detail about a population any more than VO2 capacity will explain every single detail about athleticism.

  95. @Brexit Now!

    Beijing gives some – but rather minimal thought to Western opinion about what they consider as their internal affairs. This is practical, since they are much more wary of and sensitive to internal politics and disruptions from their own population. So their actions with HK are very much consistent with that.

    Letting HK burn down is part of that. It serves the goal of making the pro-democracy protesters look embarrassing and further helps make the practical case that democracy is not a good system and it plays into a very specific Chinese fear of chaos. The actual impact on the Chinese economy is minimal, but its pretty huge political win for them with a lot of their population. Even the HK public opinion is slowly turning against the rioters.

    The destruction of the city also permits them to later rebuild it anew in their own image, essentially eradicating the culture of the city as a serious force in total, all with “unsoiled hands.”

    Its likely an American response is different, but American timeframes of planning are also very different.

  96. @Thulean Friend

    “Out there” idea.

    If open borders and the Third World inundation of Europe driven by climate change are inevitable, perhaps it could instead borrow from the Indian experience and institute a rigid caste system? With immigrants becoming a shudra or unclean caste.

    Ruin would still be likely, but would be postponed for a few centuries. And our immediate descendants would bask in their social supremacy.

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  97. @Boswald Bollocksworth

    Frankly, I wouldn’t recommend buying a laptop in Russia if you’re visiting for a short while.

    Prices are generally more expensive than in the US (20% VAT), and you’ll need to shop online to get the best deals anyway. I imagine warranties will also be a bitch from abroad. That said, if you really need a laptop now from a physical big box retailer, I suppose you can check out El Dorado or pleer.

  98. @Blinky Bill

    But even in 1990 Indians earned almost 90% of what Chinese did. Skilled migration, if your hypothesis is correct, didn’t seem to make a decisive difference, rather just improving the margins.

    I think a stronger factor at play here is that Indians are a classic ‘mercantile minority’ group, namely that they outearn what their average IQ would predict in the diaspora. Armenians and Greeks would be other groups in this category. There may be other factors in genetics outside of pure smarts (risk-taking, higher ethnocentrism etc) which could affect how races compete against each other.

    Kevin MacDonald is quick to point out that Jewish overrepresentation in the US elite institutions, even if you correct for IQ distribution at the far-right of the tail, is unexplainable by intelligence alone. There’s one jew for every seven whites at >135 IQ in the general American population. True, the disparity shrinks once you get to >150 and above, but most newspaper editors etc are not that smart. His answer is that jews got to such economic success because of nepotism, ethnocentrism, more aggressive emotional social norm etc. This is likely an even bigger factor today because Jewish achievement has collapsed, as Ron Unz has catalogued. MacDonald’s argument was predicated on 115 average Ashkenazi IQ.

    Similar factors could be at play that pushes up Indian earnings in Singapore and in the diaspora in general. I think IQ is important but is probably overemphasised in these debates.

  99. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Excellent.

    You’ve reminded me of one of my favorite Roki songs.

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  100. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    You have a very good taste in music 🙂

    My opinion is that “Heroes from Semberija” is decent, but Roki has much better songs out there.

    I have to say that I’m not really sure which of his songs is my favorite, but I think that this one is inspirational enough:

  101. @anonymous coward

    There is also “free will” argument, but this is more intellectual.

    These three I cited are the most common arguments used by Christians to explain the fact that world created by all loving intelligent designer is full of suffering.
    They were used traditionally and still are – Mr. Karlin’s official line on Holocaust on this very blog is it was just and proper God’s punishment for killing the Russian Tsar.

  102. @Nodwink

    This is very bad argument. Omnipotent designer can make his creation as small or big as he wishes, omnipotence means no bandwith, computing or storage constraints.

    Anyway, read my post #14. Atheist-Christian debates belong to the halcyon time of Dubya’s presidency, about 2005. The current year is 2019, 2020 coming soon, everything than could be said about atheism and christianity had been already said.

    https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Atheist
    https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Christian

  103. @Anatoly Karlin

    If open borders and the Third World inundation of Europe driven by climate change are inevitable

    Yes they are coming…

    , perhaps it could instead borrow from the Indian experience and institute a rigid caste system? With immigrants becoming a shudra or unclean caste.

    This is logical consequence of HBDIQism. See the Brave New World.

    Ruin would still be likely, but would be postponed for a few centuries. And our immediate descendants would bask in their social supremacy

    Why? India kept the caste system for 3000 years, and is not ruined. Unlike Europe and China, there were no peasant revolts and revolutions – maybe the more unequal society is, the more stable it is?

  104. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    The numbers on this site are official statistics, you are right that reality on the ground is much worse. It is common that villages where hundreds of people are on paper supposed to live, are empty save for few elderly, cats and dogs.
    The people who are registered there (and are regularly voting) left for Gaymuslim Eurohell long ago, the right to emigrate to the decadent west was the only thing the Balkan people “won”.

  105. Dmitry says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Lol, and with what customs, can we foreigners celebrate this great and important holiday? I would buy a bottle of Serbian champagne if there was any in the supermarket in where I live (sadly I have not seen).

  106. @anything goes

    Poor Jihadis, they be democratic bois dindu nuffin ;_;

    Hilarious that an American takes offense at poor treatment of Arabs

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