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  • PressTV: China updates deal to invest $400 billion in Iran (based on this)
    • Note that this happens just a few months after China appeased US neocons by forbidding Kunlun Bank from handling Iran payments, severely crimping Iran’s oil exports & foreign currency earnings.
    • And according to this: ““This will include up to 5,000 Chinese security personnel on the ground in Iran to protect Chinese projects, and there will be additional personnel and material available to protect the eventual transit of oil, gas and petchems supply from Iran to China, where necessary, including through the Persian Gulf,” says the Iranian source.
    • This is significant, because Iran has always been touchy about foreign troops on its soil – Constitution downright bars foreign bases (part of why Russia’s bomber presence in Iran, used to support operations in Syria, was so short-lived).
    • Assuming this is accurate reporting. Mohsen: “they quoted an unnamed Iranian official. Imo they’re leaking the options Iran has should the US insist on not lifting sanctions and Euros make no meaningful effort on their own. Discounts and loss of sovereignty are severe so it looks like a last resort and not finalized.
  • First Yang vs. Trump direct poll (in New Hampshire) – Yang does almost as well as Biden & ahead of the other Dems
  • Military Watch: Ballistic Missile Submarines in the Chinese Navy; Developing a Second Stage Nuclear Deterrent – Part Two
    • The PLA has already begun development of the Type 96 Tang Class ballistic missile submarine, which is set to have capabilities comparable to the latest American and Russian warships. The warship will reportedly carry 24 JL-3 ballistic missiles, placing it among the most heavily armed submarines in the world.
  • *pdf* Hussain Ibrahim Qutrib: “Useful Syria” and Demographic Changes in Syria
    • Apparently, Sunnis are barely a majority now in the parts of Syria controlled by Assad. Will be good for future stability.
  • In a first for Beijing in Europe, Serbia to receive Chinese armed drones
  • Asia Times: Huawei calls the US intel community’s bluff
  • BCG: China’s Next Leap in Manufacturing

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  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. The Houthi (?) attack on the Saudi oil infrastructure is something which still needs time to assess its impact.

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
    Perhaps it is the start of Peter Zeihan's Oil War.
    , @AnonFromTN
    I don’t know about an immediate impact on business or oil prices. I think that was intended as a message to the Empire and its sidekicks in the region: a demonstration that everything in the neighborhood, including huge American bases and aircraft carrier groups, is in range. We’ll see whether intended recipients of this message learn the lesson the easy way, or will learn it only the hard way, with immense loss of face.
    , @neutral
    The one impact is clear, the days of the US run so called "war" are over, I say "war" because bombing helpless opponents from the air is not a real war. The cheap access to drones means that all that expensive hardware Saudi Arabia has not given the automatic dominance in the war.

    I hope that the Houthis can start assassinating the Saudi royals with drone strikes (even better however would be the locals taking them out however), once those rotters are gone then Israel will have lost another loyal cuck state.
  3. It looks like mass migration to Europe will escalate again. Erdogan is threatening to send a new refugee flood to Europe, and with Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again for the African ferry service. France and Germany have accepted taking in 25% of the “refugees” each. Germany’s minister of the interior Seehofer is a lying piece of shit as usual and claims this won’t really increase number of asylum seekers (lol).
    And since some commenters here always get agitated about my hostile stance towards contemporary Christians, I’ll link to this story about what Germany’s main body of Protestants is up to (not that the Catholics are any better):
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-protestant-church-to-send-rescue-ship-to-mediterranean/a-50407182

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad. The situation should deteriorate very quickly if we want a reaction from the electorate. Also I’m not comfortable with the situation where Erdogan and Salvini were saving the German and French cuck governments from their own stupidity (while being thrashed as “anti-democratic”), this was never a stable situation.
    , @songbird
    I don't know much about religion and German politics, but it must be really fucked up.

    I mean, in the US, religious charities often receive tax money. Can't say definitely, but I believe it is a somewhat newish kind of thing, like Bush 43 era, or a little earlier. Obviously, this causes some level of corruption, and encourages churches to toe the official line. They don't always do it, like the Catholic church still doesn't endorse adoption by fags, but they do seem to all endorse immavasion, and receive funds for settling "refugees."The funny thing is, I've heard Jews talk about it. They endorse the invasion, of course, but are suspicious of the Church being involved, even when it comes to Muslims.

    But in Germany, of course, money goes through the state to the churches. They don't even have collections. I don't know how it is elsewhere in Europe, where there were a lot of state churches. I think separation of church and state is a much abused concept in the US, but on this level, taxes to churches seems obviously wrong and a way to spread corruption.

    , @AnonFromTN
    So, you Germans let the state apparatus, several political parties, and both large “Christian” denominations be taken over by cucks. A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either. Maybe that’s the way to save Germany?
    , @Dmitry

    Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again
     
    It was already starting to break in June, if you remember Sea-Watch 3 (where the judge had supported the captain):


    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1171556793257996293


    Captain who broke Italy's migrant ban says ready to rescue more people at sea, raps EU

    A German captain who defied Italy's ban on boats bringing migrants ashore said on Tuesday she was determined to carry on rescuing migrants from the Mediterranean, even though her ship Sea-Watch 3 remains impounded in an Italian port.

    Carola Rackete, in Barcelona to receive an award from the Catalan parliament for her rescue missions, also urged the European Union to agree on a policy for redistributing migrants around the bloc to help relieve the pressure on Italy.

    "We are definitely willing (to continue rescuing migrants) and there's a full crew on board ready to sail at any point ... I think it’s a very, very important duty to rescue people in maritime distress," Rackete, 31, told Reuters.

    Sea-Watch 3 is currently detained in the Italian port of Lucata. In June, Rackete piloted the vessel into port on the Italian island of Lampedusa with 41 migrants aboard despite efforts by the then-interior minister Matteo Salvini, leader of the far-right League, to stop her.

     

    , @anon
    It never stopped, around 10 000 at minimum entered just via Bosnia&Herzegovina, i would say it's at least 20 000, because government here lies about that stuff.

    Now it's just gonna get on intensity again. But i wouldn't count Erdogan words too much, it probably will be few thousands more per year. Med route tho. Especially with all those Scandinavians virtue signaling with those ships.

  4. • Replies: @Anonymous
    Herman Kahn wrote a book about how nuclear war was winnable in 1960. It's not a new idea:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Thermonuclear_War
  5. @German_reader
    It looks like mass migration to Europe will escalate again. Erdogan is threatening to send a new refugee flood to Europe, and with Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again for the African ferry service. France and Germany have accepted taking in 25% of the "refugees" each. Germany's minister of the interior Seehofer is a lying piece of shit as usual and claims this won't really increase number of asylum seekers (lol).
    And since some commenters here always get agitated about my hostile stance towards contemporary Christians, I'll link to this story about what Germany's main body of Protestants is up to (not that the Catholics are any better):
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-protestant-church-to-send-rescue-ship-to-mediterranean/a-50407182

    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad. The situation should deteriorate very quickly if we want a reaction from the electorate. Also I’m not comfortable with the situation where Erdogan and Salvini were saving the German and French cuck governments from their own stupidity (while being thrashed as “anti-democratic”), this was never a stable situation.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad.
     
    I agree to some extent, it's just that I fear the majority in Germany will never wake up...the fanatics who are totally in favour of this project (at least 20-30% of the electorate) are beyond redemption anyway. But yes, the sooner it escalates, the better. The time for reasonable compromise is past anyway.
    , @Beckow
    Timing is bad for acceleration - big elections behind us and a relative stable period for 1-2 years. So they will restart the migration madness hoping to again put a 'brake' on it at politically right time.

    I am always amazed by how many (not always liberal) morons I meet who actually argue with "but the number of migrants is down from last year" or 'there hasn't been as many sexual assaults lately" or 'did you see 5 people just got deported".

    The die-hard open borders fanatics are bad, but I am not sure the math-challenged split-the-difference moderates are much better (Seehofer, S.Kurz... ).

  6. Excellent US-Russia Relations Discussion

    Re: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/13/watch-cn-live-special-on-russia-us-relations-with-george-beebe-ray-mcgovern-scott-ritter-tony-kevin-mark-sleboda-and-patrick-lawrence-episode-9/

    George Beebe starts off the discussion with a tone that’s noticeably different from his recent National Interest article, discussed in the linked SCF piece at the end of this note.

    At the 2 hour 45 minute 30 second point of the above linked video, Mark Sleboda provides a great follow-up, including a reference to comments made by Michael Hayden.

    For those with a keen interest on the subject, the entire video is well worth listening to.

    Related:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/08/21/getting-real-with-the-us-foreign-policy-establishment-realists/

  7. @reiner Tor
    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad. The situation should deteriorate very quickly if we want a reaction from the electorate. Also I’m not comfortable with the situation where Erdogan and Salvini were saving the German and French cuck governments from their own stupidity (while being thrashed as “anti-democratic”), this was never a stable situation.

    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad.

    I agree to some extent, it’s just that I fear the majority in Germany will never wake up…the fanatics who are totally in favour of this project (at least 20-30% of the electorate) are beyond redemption anyway. But yes, the sooner it escalates, the better. The time for reasonable compromise is past anyway.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    If the people never wake up, then it at least won’t be any worse. (Only faster, but the final outcome will be the same.)

    I have seen arguments in Hungary (by our local liberals) how the EU solved the migration crisis. They shouldn’t take credit for things they didn’t do (and in fact actively resisted). It’s a good example how the removal of just one “populist” immediately made the situation worse. So it’s really only the “populists” who actually do anything to resolve the issue.
    , @Anarcho-Supremacist
    Salvini was already going to win big time and now these latest actions are just going to increase his majority. They are almost giving it to him with their actions.
  8. I’ve been thinking about language and IQ. We talk about national IQ, but maybe language IQ is an overlooked concept.

    Take English. Got to figure a lot of people in the Third World speak it. Then a lot have it as a second or third language, so that makes it even dumber. It is commonly said that Hollywood scripts movies for an international audience, since many countries do not dub. Does this have any political ramifications to Anglo countries, even beyond immigration?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    Mainly I just think it explains the absolutely abysmal level of quality of American films since perhaps the late 2000's, particularly Superhero stuff.

    If you look at many blockbuster American films from the 1970's ('Dog Day Afternoon', 'Taxi Driver', 'Mccabe & Mrs Miller', even 'Annie Hall'), most of them would be relegated to the 'arthouse' (totally meaningless term) circuit today.

  9. Next NSA Adviser

    Re: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/will-john-bolton-go-war-against-donald-trump-79666

    Excerpt –

    But gaining steam is Ret. Col. Douglas Macgregor, a foreign policy realist and exuberant Trumpist. Macgregor is an ally of Carlson and a frequent guest on his program, the preeminent show on Fox. Last night, Macgregor appeared on Carlson’s show and essentially auditioned for the job, delivering a fiery critique of the Bolton view of the world. Macgregor called for the unilateral withdrawal of American forces from Afghanistan and Syria, arguing that the local powers can reach agreements that an American presence merely impedes. In addition, he called for Trump to sign on to an ‘end of war declaration’ with North Korea. A Macgregor-led NSC would adhere to Trump’s original America First vision in every way possible, including an outreach to Russia. Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney is a foreign policy realist and libertarian warm to Macgregor. A Mulvaney aide who warred with Ambassador Bolton, Rob Blair, is also in play.

    Macgregor makes perfect sense on the premise of what Trump campaigned for. Notwithstanding, the following from 2017 is the kind of second guessing of Macgregor which tends to get muted in US mass media at large:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/08/06/trump-versus-us-establishment-groupthink-on-russia/

    Excerpt –

    The Tucker Carlson hosted Fox News show continues to provide some reasonably dissenting views. One such recent segment featured retired US Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor, who believes that Capitol Hill has been overly bellicose towards Russia. Mind you that Macgregor is no Russophile. He expressed doubt on whether the US and Russia can ever become allies and characterized the latter as a periodic 300 year menace to the West.

    On this point, I expressed my disagreement to Macgregor (who I’ve had some prior limited discourse with) by noting that:

    – The West hasn’t been so monolithic, in conjunction with Russia not being such a perennial threat.

    – The US fought Germany in two world wars – not Russia.

    – Russian behavior during America’s Revolution, War of 1812 and Civil War was more favorable to America than the British stance.

    – Russia joined Britain, Prussia and Austria in opposing Napoleon.

    – Russia had openly inquired about NATO membership upon the Soviet collapse.

    – Russia was the first nation to console the US on 9/11, followed by Russian cooperation with the US in Afghanistan.

    I haven’t gotten a reply back from him. In the aforementioned Fox News segment, Macgregor noted how some special interest groups get disproportionate influence in the US. Concerning that matter, I brought to his attention the Democratic National Committee-Kiev regime collusion and a July 31 pro-Polish/anti-Russian National Interest article, which is cherry picked history – contradicting the realist image of the venue where it appeared.

    I’m of the belief that patriotically minded Russians should be able to acknowledge bad moments on Russia’s part relative to Poland and some others. Conversely, the same should hold true when it comes to the wrongs of others. While glorying Poland and bashing Russia, The National Interest article in question omits the following:

    1919 – Under Josef Pilsudski, Poland seeks to take former Russian Empire territory, largely inhabited by non-Poles with ties to Russia. The Pilsudski led Poles reject a Russian White offer to combat the Reds, when the Bolsheviks were in a losing situation. The Russian Whites were willing to recognize a Polish state within Polish ethnic boundaries.

    1920 -Thousands of Soviet POWs die under miserable conditions while in Polish captivity.

    1934 – Polish-Nazi non-aggression pact, four years prior to the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact.

    1938 – Polish, Nazi and Hungarian taking of CzechoSlovak territory, with the Soviet call for a joint Soviet-West (particularly French) counter support for CzechoSlovakia rebuffed.

    According to German General Heinz Guderian and some other sources, the Soviets needed a break on their WW II westward offensive. After the Stalingrad battle, the Nazis were still a threat, as evidenced by the many casualties they were still able to inflict on the Red Army. The Polish Home Army didn’t initially seek to coordinate their uprising with the Red Army. That only came after the Nazi counterattack in Warsaw.

    Under Stalin, the USSR had some especially brutal aspects. Nevertheless, equating the USSR with Nazi Germany is false. The former utilized a good number of Jews and Poles – something the latter wouldn’t tolerate. Between the two world wars, Poland left something to be desired on the subject of respecting non-Polish minorities.

    One can also go back to the early 1600s Polish subjugation of Russia, as well as the close to 100,000 Poles who joined Napoleon in his attack on Russia.”

  10. Regarding Mark Galeotti:

    http://johnhelmer.net/mark-galeotti-is-a-fact-faker-his-book-on-russian-crime-is-a-hate-crime-a-war-crime/

    He gets way too much play as evidenced in part by his RT appearances, only to then see him come back with an inaccurate JRL promoted Moscow Times hack piece about that station.

    • Replies: @Gerard2
    Very interesting. From the little that I've have seen, it's still easy to decipher that this guy is not a Russian "expert". Apart from the clear anti-Russian stance it was the ridiculous use of Russian words of obvious English origin that this cretin was using to make him sound as if he was an expert in Russian!

    You know, like " the Russians have this word for spreading dubious theories..... they call it дезинформация" - utterly ridiculous nonsense like that
  11. @German_reader

    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad.
     
    I agree to some extent, it's just that I fear the majority in Germany will never wake up...the fanatics who are totally in favour of this project (at least 20-30% of the electorate) are beyond redemption anyway. But yes, the sooner it escalates, the better. The time for reasonable compromise is past anyway.

    If the people never wake up, then it at least won’t be any worse. (Only faster, but the final outcome will be the same.)

    I have seen arguments in Hungary (by our local liberals) how the EU solved the migration crisis. They shouldn’t take credit for things they didn’t do (and in fact actively resisted). It’s a good example how the removal of just one “populist” immediately made the situation worse. So it’s really only the “populists” who actually do anything to resolve the issue.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend

    If the people never wake up, then it at least won’t be any worse. (Only faster, but the final outcome will be the same.)
     
    That is a very fatalist mentality, and one which should be rejected. There is no magic threshold, no magic percentage, when people suddenly jolt out of their preconditioned beliefs and reach the nationalist nirvana.

    Look no further than South Africa for proof of this tenet. Most SA whites ("saffers") still subscribe to race-blind neoliberalism, even if they deeply resent figures like Malema and his cheaper imitators in the ruling ANC. You'd think being only 8% of the population with a virulently hostile 80% black majority all around you with all the violence that entails would accelerate radicalism. No dice.

    Flooding your own country with third worlders won't do much to rectify things. The roots of the malaise is that most whites still hold onto deep liberal beliefs and many of these were formed during the enlightenment. We have to accept the fact that they are not all evil or misguided, which makes the situation compellingly difficult. Many of these principles helped us a great deal to reduce massive and recurring violent spasms which were roiling Europe for centuries, whether on religious or ethnic grounds. We took a successful model and pushed it too far. This call for erudition and learned argument, not crude and vulgar gestures where you try to shock people temporarily but which do not get onto solving a deeper rooted cause. Intellectual debate is what is required, not more third worlders. That will only reduce our standard of living without cutting the mechanism which justifies their existance among us.
  12. Thorfinnsson’s estimate of Allies’ contributions to victory in WWII:

    USA: 40%
    USSR: 35%
    Britain & Dominions: 25%

    I wonder how he’d reckon the relative contribution of Sweden vs. Russia to Protestant victory in the Thirty Years War. According to his criteria, it should be about equal.

  13. @German_reader
    It looks like mass migration to Europe will escalate again. Erdogan is threatening to send a new refugee flood to Europe, and with Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again for the African ferry service. France and Germany have accepted taking in 25% of the "refugees" each. Germany's minister of the interior Seehofer is a lying piece of shit as usual and claims this won't really increase number of asylum seekers (lol).
    And since some commenters here always get agitated about my hostile stance towards contemporary Christians, I'll link to this story about what Germany's main body of Protestants is up to (not that the Catholics are any better):
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-protestant-church-to-send-rescue-ship-to-mediterranean/a-50407182

    I don’t know much about religion and German politics, but it must be really fucked up.

    I mean, in the US, religious charities often receive tax money. Can’t say definitely, but I believe it is a somewhat newish kind of thing, like Bush 43 era, or a little earlier. Obviously, this causes some level of corruption, and encourages churches to toe the official line. They don’t always do it, like the Catholic church still doesn’t endorse adoption by fags, but they do seem to all endorse immavasion, and receive funds for settling “refugees.”The funny thing is, I’ve heard Jews talk about it. They endorse the invasion, of course, but are suspicious of the Church being involved, even when it comes to Muslims.

    But in Germany, of course, money goes through the state to the churches. They don’t even have collections. I don’t know how it is elsewhere in Europe, where there were a lot of state churches. I think separation of church and state is a much abused concept in the US, but on this level, taxes to churches seems obviously wrong and a way to spread corruption.

  14. Lol at that Simon Mol story. The guy was a walking biological weapon who knew how to lure and prey on naive liberal female SJWs. These type of women are pretty easy to figure out and con just because of how naive they are.

    His own words:

    Simon picked up many of his women from the “Warsaw Salon” – an artistic, liberal circle. In his writing Simon described these girls as ‘white mice’ – “sensitive, and adoring women who believed they were doing their duty towards political correctness by helping the poor refugee.”

    That part was from the moldbugman thread.

    From his Wikipedia page:

    In 2004, on behalf of the President of Poland, he was nominated for the Sergio Vieira de Mello Prize, alongside the ex-PM Tadeusz Mazowiecki and other Polish luminaries, for “rebuilding peace in post-conflict communities”, under the patronage of the High Commissioner of the United Nations for Refugees, among other institutions.[39]

    Mol was an honorary member of the British International Pen Club Centre.[40]

    In 2006 Mol received the prestigious Oxfam Novib/PEN Award for Freedom of Expression.[41][42]

  15. Can Trump even win a second term? I’m predicting no: demographic changes.

    I don’t think there will be another Republican president, unless the franchise is restricted again, or part of the US secedes, and, despite the Reconquista rhetoric, I don’t think Mexicans really want to rejoin Mexico.

    New Hampshire probably isn’t a good indicator for the Dems. As a party, they’ve been hostile to NH having the first in the nation primary for a long time now.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    The Democrats have the edge in popular vote. The Republicans have the edge in the Electoral College vote. And it will stay that way for a long time. The Democrats will get more and more urban giving them an edge in the popular vote. The Republicans will get more and more rural and suburban giving them an edge in the Electoral College vote.

    And the ability to change the Constitution to make the Electoral College reflect the popular vote is damn near impossible. So the Democrats will not take over. It might be the reverse.
  16. @Priss Factor
    Trump sure knows how to pick them.

    https://theduran.com/nuclear-war-with-russia-winnable-said-trumps-incoming-national-security-advisor/

    Herman Kahn wrote a book about how nuclear war was winnable in 1960. It’s not a new idea:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Thermonuclear_War

    • Replies: @Priss Factor

    Herman Kahn wrote a book about how nuclear war was winnable in 1960. It’s not a new idea:
     
    It's context. We are moving into retro-cold-war, what with the US trashing the ICBM treaty. When spouted by political figures, it's not merely academic. It says something about the state of mind of these people.
    , @Nodwink
    I'm a supporter of self-imposed nuclear annihilation, this being the first I'd heard of it: http://exiledonline.com/feature-story-the-case-for-nuclear-winter/
  17. @reiner Tor
    If the people never wake up, then it at least won’t be any worse. (Only faster, but the final outcome will be the same.)

    I have seen arguments in Hungary (by our local liberals) how the EU solved the migration crisis. They shouldn’t take credit for things they didn’t do (and in fact actively resisted). It’s a good example how the removal of just one “populist” immediately made the situation worse. So it’s really only the “populists” who actually do anything to resolve the issue.

    If the people never wake up, then it at least won’t be any worse. (Only faster, but the final outcome will be the same.)

    That is a very fatalist mentality, and one which should be rejected. There is no magic threshold, no magic percentage, when people suddenly jolt out of their preconditioned beliefs and reach the nationalist nirvana.

    Look no further than South Africa for proof of this tenet. Most SA whites (“saffers”) still subscribe to race-blind neoliberalism, even if they deeply resent figures like Malema and his cheaper imitators in the ruling ANC. You’d think being only 8% of the population with a virulently hostile 80% black majority all around you with all the violence that entails would accelerate radicalism. No dice.

    Flooding your own country with third worlders won’t do much to rectify things. The roots of the malaise is that most whites still hold onto deep liberal beliefs and many of these were formed during the enlightenment. We have to accept the fact that they are not all evil or misguided, which makes the situation compellingly difficult. Many of these principles helped us a great deal to reduce massive and recurring violent spasms which were roiling Europe for centuries, whether on religious or ethnic grounds. We took a successful model and pushed it too far. This call for erudition and learned argument, not crude and vulgar gestures where you try to shock people temporarily but which do not get onto solving a deeper rooted cause. Intellectual debate is what is required, not more third worlders. That will only reduce our standard of living without cutting the mechanism which justifies their existance among us.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Look no further than South Africa for proof of this tenet.
     
    South Africa is of only limited relevance to the European situation imo. Yes, I know, the blacks mostly aren't really "native" there either, and the Boers have been there for centuries, but still, it's a different situation from Europe where fairly homogenous nation states were the norm only a few decades ago.

    most whites still hold onto deep liberal beliefs and many of these were formed during the enlightenment.
     
    You're sounding almost like AaronB...is there anything the Enlightenment won't be blamed for?
  18. @reiner Tor
    The Houthi (?) attack on the Saudi oil infrastructure is something which still needs time to assess its impact.

    Perhaps it is the start of Peter Zeihan’s Oil War.

  19. @Thulean Friend

    If the people never wake up, then it at least won’t be any worse. (Only faster, but the final outcome will be the same.)
     
    That is a very fatalist mentality, and one which should be rejected. There is no magic threshold, no magic percentage, when people suddenly jolt out of their preconditioned beliefs and reach the nationalist nirvana.

    Look no further than South Africa for proof of this tenet. Most SA whites ("saffers") still subscribe to race-blind neoliberalism, even if they deeply resent figures like Malema and his cheaper imitators in the ruling ANC. You'd think being only 8% of the population with a virulently hostile 80% black majority all around you with all the violence that entails would accelerate radicalism. No dice.

    Flooding your own country with third worlders won't do much to rectify things. The roots of the malaise is that most whites still hold onto deep liberal beliefs and many of these were formed during the enlightenment. We have to accept the fact that they are not all evil or misguided, which makes the situation compellingly difficult. Many of these principles helped us a great deal to reduce massive and recurring violent spasms which were roiling Europe for centuries, whether on religious or ethnic grounds. We took a successful model and pushed it too far. This call for erudition and learned argument, not crude and vulgar gestures where you try to shock people temporarily but which do not get onto solving a deeper rooted cause. Intellectual debate is what is required, not more third worlders. That will only reduce our standard of living without cutting the mechanism which justifies their existance among us.

    Look no further than South Africa for proof of this tenet.

    South Africa is of only limited relevance to the European situation imo. Yes, I know, the blacks mostly aren’t really “native” there either, and the Boers have been there for centuries, but still, it’s a different situation from Europe where fairly homogenous nation states were the norm only a few decades ago.

    most whites still hold onto deep liberal beliefs and many of these were formed during the enlightenment.

    You’re sounding almost like AaronB…is there anything the Enlightenment won’t be blamed for?

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    There's a lot to unpack here, and we seem to have different underlying assumptions. I can't guess what yours are but here are mine.

    1. It doesn't matter much how homogenous the country is. What matters is the inherent ethnocentrism of the particular community living there. Case in point: jews. Despite all the talk about assimilation and a "silent holocaust", they are still a very coherent ethnic group with strong-ingroup preferences. Even in the case when one of them marries out, there is a concerted effort to convert the partner. And so on That did not happen by happenstance or by accident. It is a direct outcome of their culture and social priorities over a long period of time.

    2. South Africa as a country is not analogous to Europe, but White South African people are, i.e. the Afrikaaners. That is the core of my argument. They are ethnically no different from you and me. Most of them are from North Germanic stock. As such, their experiences matter greatly and we can learn a lot. It's about the particular community, not the country as a whole.

    3. I have no interest in defending other people's positions, but I can defend mine. On the enlightenment, it seems you skipped several important sentences.

    Many of these principles helped us a great deal to reduce massive and recurring violent spasms which were roiling Europe for centuries, whether on religious or ethnic grounds. We took a successful model and pushed it too far.
     
    In my mind, this isn't exactly "let's blame it all on enlightenment"-material. It's a much more nuanced position, granting legitimacy to previous accomplishments and warning against throwing the baby out of the bathwater. If anything, it is a call for moderation, not a radical break. I do not understand how you could construe it to something else.
  20. Mike Johnson: What’s out there?

    Is this a joke?

  21. It looks like the first Russian fast food chain to trial Beyond Meat will be the traditionalist Teremok chain

    Just another feather in Teremok’s cap. Took this a few weeks ago.

    • Disagree: Thorfinnsson
    • Replies: @German_reader
    Looks disgusting, why are you eating something like that?
  22. @Thulean Friend

    It looks like the first Russian fast food chain to trial Beyond Meat will be the traditionalist Teremok chain
     
    Just another feather in Teremok's cap. Took this a few weeks ago.

    https://i.imgur.com/9ITKph6.jpg

    Looks disgusting, why are you eating something like that?

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    You remind me of a boomer ;)
  23. I am old and recall when the supposed winnability of nuclear war was being asserted. The contention was made that “In 5 years after the nuclear exchange, everything would be back to normal.” I remember this refuting, witty reply: “It takes 5 years for an expansion sports franchise to become competitive.”

  24. God that population map is depressing, even if I already knew it.

  25. @German_reader

    Look no further than South Africa for proof of this tenet.
     
    South Africa is of only limited relevance to the European situation imo. Yes, I know, the blacks mostly aren't really "native" there either, and the Boers have been there for centuries, but still, it's a different situation from Europe where fairly homogenous nation states were the norm only a few decades ago.

    most whites still hold onto deep liberal beliefs and many of these were formed during the enlightenment.
     
    You're sounding almost like AaronB...is there anything the Enlightenment won't be blamed for?

    There’s a lot to unpack here, and we seem to have different underlying assumptions. I can’t guess what yours are but here are mine.

    1. It doesn’t matter much how homogenous the country is. What matters is the inherent ethnocentrism of the particular community living there. Case in point: jews. Despite all the talk about assimilation and a “silent holocaust”, they are still a very coherent ethnic group with strong-ingroup preferences. Even in the case when one of them marries out, there is a concerted effort to convert the partner. And so on That did not happen by happenstance or by accident. It is a direct outcome of their culture and social priorities over a long period of time.

    2. South Africa as a country is not analogous to Europe, but White South African people are, i.e. the Afrikaaners. That is the core of my argument. They are ethnically no different from you and me. Most of them are from North Germanic stock. As such, their experiences matter greatly and we can learn a lot. It’s about the particular community, not the country as a whole.

    3. I have no interest in defending other people’s positions, but I can defend mine. On the enlightenment, it seems you skipped several important sentences.

    Many of these principles helped us a great deal to reduce massive and recurring violent spasms which were roiling Europe for centuries, whether on religious or ethnic grounds. We took a successful model and pushed it too far.

    In my mind, this isn’t exactly “let’s blame it all on enlightenment”-material. It’s a much more nuanced position, granting legitimacy to previous accomplishments and warning against throwing the baby out of the bathwater. If anything, it is a call for moderation, not a radical break. I do not understand how you could construe it to something else.

    • Replies: @songbird
    White South Africans are an interesting group. For once, I am going to agree with Bliss, and say that you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces. It is kind of startling to think about: most of the time it is a low amount like 2-3%, and a mix at that (Malay, Bushmen, and Bantu), but I swear, you still can often see it. Like take a good look at five men, and you will see it in at least one. Maybe, these people are a higher percentage admixture?

    But I concur in general: they are at least politically white, if not fully European. And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country's prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.

    Same lesson regarding America. Americans are just Europeans in North America, though many Europeans would like to think differently. In fact, Americans might be better situated, being further from Africa. Some think that America had no culture, and that is why it was susceptible. This is an error: it did have one.
  26. @Anonymous
    Herman Kahn wrote a book about how nuclear war was winnable in 1960. It's not a new idea:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Thermonuclear_War

    Herman Kahn wrote a book about how nuclear war was winnable in 1960. It’s not a new idea:

    It’s context. We are moving into retro-cold-war, what with the US trashing the ICBM treaty. When spouted by political figures, it’s not merely academic. It says something about the state of mind of these people.

  27. @German_reader
    Looks disgusting, why are you eating something like that?

    You remind me of a boomer 😉

    • Replies: @Anonymoose
    No need to be a boomer to think that. It does look disgusting. What the hell is it made from?
  28. Interesting that that Simon Mol character died. In Western Europe or the US, he probably would have been given anti-retrovirals.

    One demographic trick Europeans may still have up their sleeves is to stop vaccinating or giving healthcare to Third Worlders.

  29. On the issue of the importance of ideas over everything else (past demography, geography etc) is this nicely summed up tweet:

    Accelerationists do not understand or appreciate this. People won’t suddenly “wake up” just because the demography changes, even if suddenly. They will just spasm for a period of time but all their cultural moorings prevents them from drawing the correct conclusions, and so will be easily led back into the fold over time. I’d rather reach the correct conclusions with minimal disturbances than flail around with third worlders everywhere around me. The obstacle is primarily intellectual, rooted in deeper belief systems. It won’t be solved by flooding yourself faster, that is lazy and fundamentally self-destructive.

    P.S. notice that the account spouting the liberal opinion is an UKIP:er. The problem is not “the left”. It goes much deeper than that.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I'm not an accelerationist, mainly because I think there could be a genetic shift in whites, regarding ethnocentrism.
  30. @reiner Tor
    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad. The situation should deteriorate very quickly if we want a reaction from the electorate. Also I’m not comfortable with the situation where Erdogan and Salvini were saving the German and French cuck governments from their own stupidity (while being thrashed as “anti-democratic”), this was never a stable situation.

    Timing is bad for acceleration – big elections behind us and a relative stable period for 1-2 years. So they will restart the migration madness hoping to again put a ‘brake’ on it at politically right time.

    I am always amazed by how many (not always liberal) morons I meet who actually argue with “but the number of migrants is down from last year” or ‘there hasn’t been as many sexual assaults lately” or ‘did you see 5 people just got deported“.

    The die-hard open borders fanatics are bad, but I am not sure the math-challenged split-the-difference moderates are much better (Seehofer, S.Kurz… ).

    • Replies: @German_reader

    but I am not sure the math-challenged split-the-difference moderates are much better (Seehofer, S.Kurz… )
     
    That's a rather charitable assessment of Seehofer and Kurz.
    The Austrian Christian Democrats have actually made banning the identitarians (!) a pre-condition for any future coalition government and have also stated they won't accept a return of the FPÖ's Herbert Kickl (who's actually serious about immigration restriction) as minister of the interior. The only explanation for such behaviour is that they actually want mass immigration to continue and want to criminalize opposition to it.
    As for Seehofer, the man is just scum, nothing "moderate" about him either, he's supported every open borders initiative of Merkel's government and was a firm defender of the UN global compact for migration. His only function is to lull braindead conservatives who are afraid of being called Nazis into still voting for the Christian Democrats.
  31. Jungle Fever and Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the undoing of the white race.

    These are affluent college educated girls.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    I am less concerned about white wombs than I am about white men who allow that shit to happen.
    , @Anonymoose
    Speaking of PJW

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D84nwxkW4AImOi0.png
    , @Abelard Lindsey
    Has it ever occurred to any of these ladies in the video that they are acting essentially like animals?
    , @Epigon
    This isn’t USA, no goblinas, orcs and Uruks are present.
    Besides, there are actual stunners present, and most of thots have no cellulite and are toned unlike US flabby, skinnyfat girls. The video was posted to ridicule them whyte wymen, because they fail compared to ghetto rat “artists” of the “craft” of twerking.

    It is apparently Ukraine, Odessa.

    As much as I would enjoy the company of several of those blondies, witnessing this behaviour kills any desire to interact with them. Twerking is disgusting on so many levels, animals in heat act with more dignity.
  32. @Thulean Friend
    There's a lot to unpack here, and we seem to have different underlying assumptions. I can't guess what yours are but here are mine.

    1. It doesn't matter much how homogenous the country is. What matters is the inherent ethnocentrism of the particular community living there. Case in point: jews. Despite all the talk about assimilation and a "silent holocaust", they are still a very coherent ethnic group with strong-ingroup preferences. Even in the case when one of them marries out, there is a concerted effort to convert the partner. And so on That did not happen by happenstance or by accident. It is a direct outcome of their culture and social priorities over a long period of time.

    2. South Africa as a country is not analogous to Europe, but White South African people are, i.e. the Afrikaaners. That is the core of my argument. They are ethnically no different from you and me. Most of them are from North Germanic stock. As such, their experiences matter greatly and we can learn a lot. It's about the particular community, not the country as a whole.

    3. I have no interest in defending other people's positions, but I can defend mine. On the enlightenment, it seems you skipped several important sentences.

    Many of these principles helped us a great deal to reduce massive and recurring violent spasms which were roiling Europe for centuries, whether on religious or ethnic grounds. We took a successful model and pushed it too far.
     
    In my mind, this isn't exactly "let's blame it all on enlightenment"-material. It's a much more nuanced position, granting legitimacy to previous accomplishments and warning against throwing the baby out of the bathwater. If anything, it is a call for moderation, not a radical break. I do not understand how you could construe it to something else.

    White South Africans are an interesting group. For once, I am going to agree with Bliss, and say that you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces. It is kind of startling to think about: most of the time it is a low amount like 2-3%, and a mix at that (Malay, Bushmen, and Bantu), but I swear, you still can often see it. Like take a good look at five men, and you will see it in at least one. Maybe, these people are a higher percentage admixture?

    But I concur in general: they are at least politically white, if not fully European. And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country’s prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.

    Same lesson regarding America. Americans are just Europeans in North America, though many Europeans would like to think differently. In fact, Americans might be better situated, being further from Africa. Some think that America had no culture, and that is why it was susceptible. This is an error: it did have one.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @German_reader

    This is an error: it did have one.
     
    Yes, but unfortunately the Yankee fanatics who came up with "John Brown's body" and "Battle hymn of the republic" were a strong component of it.
    , @neutral

    you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces
     
    The Afrikaners are not the only whites in South Africa, they were the earliest settlers and had some significant miscegenation at the beginning. However the non Afrikaner groups are about 40% of the whites and you will not be able to tell if they are from South Africa, America or where the place their ancestors are from (mostly Britain, Germany, former Portuguese colonies).

    As for the the dominance of liberalism, despite the impossibility of denying the racial realities of black run societies, this is absolutely true. The pop culture that Hollywood churns out is just as consumed and taken seriously as it is in most other formerly white lands, so is the neoliberal ideology of The Economist taken as gospel by the business elite. Then there is the very strong fear factor, talking about race is very dangerous, even with the closest of friends. Even if one does not sincerely believe in liberal theologies, the risk of going against it is so great that most will just accept it.

    , @Gerard2

    And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country’s prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.
     
    From what I have seen from my friends there, this applies just as much to the Indian population who have emigrated from South Africa, as it does to the white population. They say the exact same things. I would even guess that White-African intermarriage in South Africa is less rare than Indian-African.

    Many, many South African Indians are in UK, US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand ( i.e the exact same places that most of the white South Africans have emigrated to). Apart from some of those of Huguenot heritage going to France, none of the White South Africans have emigrated to Holland or continental Europe

    but despite all this, the white population in South Africa is still very stable in the years since the change of power.....compare that to a shithole like Ukraine.
  33. @Beckow
    Timing is bad for acceleration - big elections behind us and a relative stable period for 1-2 years. So they will restart the migration madness hoping to again put a 'brake' on it at politically right time.

    I am always amazed by how many (not always liberal) morons I meet who actually argue with "but the number of migrants is down from last year" or 'there hasn't been as many sexual assaults lately" or 'did you see 5 people just got deported".

    The die-hard open borders fanatics are bad, but I am not sure the math-challenged split-the-difference moderates are much better (Seehofer, S.Kurz... ).

    but I am not sure the math-challenged split-the-difference moderates are much better (Seehofer, S.Kurz… )

    That’s a rather charitable assessment of Seehofer and Kurz.
    The Austrian Christian Democrats have actually made banning the identitarians (!) a pre-condition for any future coalition government and have also stated they won’t accept a return of the FPÖ’s Herbert Kickl (who’s actually serious about immigration restriction) as minister of the interior. The only explanation for such behaviour is that they actually want mass immigration to continue and want to criminalize opposition to it.
    As for Seehofer, the man is just scum, nothing “moderate” about him either, he’s supported every open borders initiative of Merkel’s government and was a firm defender of the UN global compact for migration. His only function is to lull braindead conservatives who are afraid of being called Nazis into still voting for the Christian Democrats.

    • Replies: @Beckow

    ...charitable assessment of Seehofer and Kurz.
     
    Yeah, you are right. I am more charitable on Sundays, you know the Christian thing :)...
  34. @songbird
    White South Africans are an interesting group. For once, I am going to agree with Bliss, and say that you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces. It is kind of startling to think about: most of the time it is a low amount like 2-3%, and a mix at that (Malay, Bushmen, and Bantu), but I swear, you still can often see it. Like take a good look at five men, and you will see it in at least one. Maybe, these people are a higher percentage admixture?

    But I concur in general: they are at least politically white, if not fully European. And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country's prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.

    Same lesson regarding America. Americans are just Europeans in North America, though many Europeans would like to think differently. In fact, Americans might be better situated, being further from Africa. Some think that America had no culture, and that is why it was susceptible. This is an error: it did have one.

    This is an error: it did have one.

    Yes, but unfortunately the Yankee fanatics who came up with “John Brown’s body” and “Battle hymn of the republic” were a strong component of it.

    • Replies: @songbird
    Funny you should mention that: the book I am reading now is Flashman and the Angel of the Lord. Has Flashman recruited reluctantly into joining John Brown in an effort to foil him.

    Julia Ward Howe, who wrote the lyrics to Battlehym, was the wife of a member of the the Secret Six who funded John Brown. Thorfinn likes the song, but I find it pretty abominable, even beyond its racial connotations. It is a song written by a woman celebrating the killing of men, for feelz.
  35. @Thulean Friend
    On the issue of the importance of ideas over everything else (past demography, geography etc) is this nicely summed up tweet:

    https://twitter.com/LivesMorgoth/status/1173338038723862528

    Accelerationists do not understand or appreciate this. People won't suddenly "wake up" just because the demography changes, even if suddenly. They will just spasm for a period of time but all their cultural moorings prevents them from drawing the correct conclusions, and so will be easily led back into the fold over time. I'd rather reach the correct conclusions with minimal disturbances than flail around with third worlders everywhere around me. The obstacle is primarily intellectual, rooted in deeper belief systems. It won't be solved by flooding yourself faster, that is lazy and fundamentally self-destructive.

    P.S. notice that the account spouting the liberal opinion is an UKIP:er. The problem is not "the left". It goes much deeper than that.

    I’m not an accelerationist, mainly because I think there could be a genetic shift in whites, regarding ethnocentrism.

  36. @German_reader

    but I am not sure the math-challenged split-the-difference moderates are much better (Seehofer, S.Kurz… )
     
    That's a rather charitable assessment of Seehofer and Kurz.
    The Austrian Christian Democrats have actually made banning the identitarians (!) a pre-condition for any future coalition government and have also stated they won't accept a return of the FPÖ's Herbert Kickl (who's actually serious about immigration restriction) as minister of the interior. The only explanation for such behaviour is that they actually want mass immigration to continue and want to criminalize opposition to it.
    As for Seehofer, the man is just scum, nothing "moderate" about him either, he's supported every open borders initiative of Merkel's government and was a firm defender of the UN global compact for migration. His only function is to lull braindead conservatives who are afraid of being called Nazis into still voting for the Christian Democrats.

    …charitable assessment of Seehofer and Kurz.

    Yeah, you are right. I am more charitable on Sundays, you know the Christian thing :)…

  37. @Priss Factor
    Jungle Fever and Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the undoing of the white race.

    These are affluent college educated girls.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1172572006769991680

    I am less concerned about white wombs than I am about white men who allow that shit to happen.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor

    I am less concerned about white wombs than I am about white men who allow that shit to happen.
     
    What can white men do? White women are liberated and can do as they please. As their music is rap and hip hop, this is how they act. And their boomer fathers grew up to rock and roll, and their white boyfriends(that is, if they are white) are a bunch of cuckish fans of rap music and black sports.

    It used to be that to-have-power meant you had control over your urges.
    Now, 'empowerment' means to give in to your urges.

    Loss of self-control in favor of more pleasure. It's the empowerment of junkies who gotta have drugs.

  38. @Thulean Friend
    I am less concerned about white wombs than I am about white men who allow that shit to happen.

    I am less concerned about white wombs than I am about white men who allow that shit to happen.

    What can white men do? White women are liberated and can do as they please. As their music is rap and hip hop, this is how they act. And their boomer fathers grew up to rock and roll, and their white boyfriends(that is, if they are white) are a bunch of cuckish fans of rap music and black sports.

    It used to be that to-have-power meant you had control over your urges.
    Now, ’empowerment’ means to give in to your urges.

    Loss of self-control in favor of more pleasure. It’s the empowerment of junkies who gotta have drugs.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend

    What can white men do?
     
    Saying no for a start. Not having a defeatist attitude that nothing can be done. None of this is inevitable or a given. Social norms are a constant negotiation and a contest of willpower, ultimately.

    And their boomer fathers grew up to rock and roll, and their white boyfriends(if they are white) are a bunch of cuckish fans of rap music and black sports.
     
    You're making my point for me. The rot is just as deep with white men, if not deeper. Women just imitate men in their vincinity, whether fathers, brothers, boyfriends, classmates etc. Do you think that Jewish Orthodox women act the way they act because they are special women in some way? They act the way they act because of jewish orthodox men imposing their will.

    White men have been so pussywhipped that acting as men, and being unapologetic about male authority, is seen as inconceivable, even unfathomamable.
  39. @Thulean Friend
    You remind me of a boomer ;)

    No need to be a boomer to think that. It does look disgusting. What the hell is it made from?

    • Replies: @inertial
    I like fried minced meat as much as the next guy but it's far more disgusting when you think about it. Dairy and eggs too.
  40. @German_reader

    This is an error: it did have one.
     
    Yes, but unfortunately the Yankee fanatics who came up with "John Brown's body" and "Battle hymn of the republic" were a strong component of it.

    Funny you should mention that: the book I am reading now is Flashman and the Angel of the Lord. Has Flashman recruited reluctantly into joining John Brown in an effort to foil him.

    Julia Ward Howe, who wrote the lyrics to Battlehym, was the wife of a member of the the Secret Six who funded John Brown. Thorfinn likes the song, but I find it pretty abominable, even beyond its racial connotations. It is a song written by a woman celebrating the killing of men, for feelz.

  41. @Priss Factor

    I am less concerned about white wombs than I am about white men who allow that shit to happen.
     
    What can white men do? White women are liberated and can do as they please. As their music is rap and hip hop, this is how they act. And their boomer fathers grew up to rock and roll, and their white boyfriends(that is, if they are white) are a bunch of cuckish fans of rap music and black sports.

    It used to be that to-have-power meant you had control over your urges.
    Now, 'empowerment' means to give in to your urges.

    Loss of self-control in favor of more pleasure. It's the empowerment of junkies who gotta have drugs.

    What can white men do?

    Saying no for a start. Not having a defeatist attitude that nothing can be done. None of this is inevitable or a given. Social norms are a constant negotiation and a contest of willpower, ultimately.

    And their boomer fathers grew up to rock and roll, and their white boyfriends(if they are white) are a bunch of cuckish fans of rap music and black sports.

    You’re making my point for me. The rot is just as deep with white men, if not deeper. Women just imitate men in their vincinity, whether fathers, brothers, boyfriends, classmates etc. Do you think that Jewish Orthodox women act the way they act because they are special women in some way? They act the way they act because of jewish orthodox men imposing their will.

    White men have been so pussywhipped that acting as men, and being unapologetic about male authority, is seen as inconceivable, even unfathomamable.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    White girls probably wouldn't act that way IF white guys beat blacks in sports or could sing louder.

    In a free society, people gravitate to what excites them. As blacks holler loudest and run fastest, they dominate pop music and sports, both of which are strong in sexual content.

    The only way to stop the current trend is to end freedom and impose iron rule UNTIL blacks are removed from white spaces. And then, freedom can be restored.

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.
  42. @Priss Factor
    Jungle Fever and Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the undoing of the white race.

    These are affluent college educated girls.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1172572006769991680

    Speaking of PJW

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Reminds me of this:
    https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/news/world/gay-chemsex-is-fuelling-urban-hiv-epidemics-aids-experts-warn-351482/

    and this (warning, it's seriously unpleasant):
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/aug/23/i-had-an-erection-for-three-weeks-experience
  43. @reiner Tor
    The Houthi (?) attack on the Saudi oil infrastructure is something which still needs time to assess its impact.

    I don’t know about an immediate impact on business or oil prices. I think that was intended as a message to the Empire and its sidekicks in the region: a demonstration that everything in the neighborhood, including huge American bases and aircraft carrier groups, is in range. We’ll see whether intended recipients of this message learn the lesson the easy way, or will learn it only the hard way, with immense loss of face.

  44. @Anonymoose
    Speaking of PJW

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D84nwxkW4AImOi0.png
    • Replies: @Anonymoose
    That article is surprisingly honest about the epidemic of HIV in gay communities if unintentionally. Or will it get taken down before someone accuses it of perpetuating homophobic stereotypes. Also thanks for the second article, hilarious read ! Had a good laugh about its absurdity!
    , @Yevardian
    Jesus Christ... had to stop before the end to puke.. thanks for the most disgusting thing I've read in a very long time.
  45. @German_reader
    It looks like mass migration to Europe will escalate again. Erdogan is threatening to send a new refugee flood to Europe, and with Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again for the African ferry service. France and Germany have accepted taking in 25% of the "refugees" each. Germany's minister of the interior Seehofer is a lying piece of shit as usual and claims this won't really increase number of asylum seekers (lol).
    And since some commenters here always get agitated about my hostile stance towards contemporary Christians, I'll link to this story about what Germany's main body of Protestants is up to (not that the Catholics are any better):
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-protestant-church-to-send-rescue-ship-to-mediterranean/a-50407182

    So, you Germans let the state apparatus, several political parties, and both large “Christian” denominations be taken over by cucks. A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either. Maybe that’s the way to save Germany?

    • Replies: @German_reader

    A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either.
     
    That's definitely a factor among some East Germans who are irreligious and have no patience for the positive view of Islam shoved down our throats by the establishment, not least prominent Christian Democrats (e.g. Christian Wulff, president 2010-2012, spent most of his time promoting Islam...when he commemorated the Berlin wall, you could get the impression the worst thing about it was that there was no Muslim immigration to the GDR...Merkel's 2015 decision didn't come out of nowhere).
    I'm not in favour of right-wingers adopting an explicitly anti-Christian stance, but given the policies they're actively pushing the Christian churches in Germany imo will be increasingly discredited among large parts of the population. They're both shedding members like mad, hundreds of thousands each year through death or formally leaving the church. The Catholics of course have their global church, but the Lutherans won't be much more than a sect in 20 years, but unfortunately they can do a lot of damage given their privileged position in the German state.
    , @songbird
    I find it hard to blame Germans because they were ground zero for anti-Nazism. And, truth be told, we all pretty much live in oligarchies.
    , @Anonymoose
    German Reader doesn't seem to be to fond of Christianity in general. East Germans are lucky in that their attitudes were preserved by the the Soviet freezer.
  46. @AnonFromTN
    So, you Germans let the state apparatus, several political parties, and both large “Christian” denominations be taken over by cucks. A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either. Maybe that’s the way to save Germany?

    A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either.

    That’s definitely a factor among some East Germans who are irreligious and have no patience for the positive view of Islam shoved down our throats by the establishment, not least prominent Christian Democrats (e.g. Christian Wulff, president 2010-2012, spent most of his time promoting Islam…when he commemorated the Berlin wall, you could get the impression the worst thing about it was that there was no Muslim immigration to the GDR…Merkel’s 2015 decision didn’t come out of nowhere).
    I’m not in favour of right-wingers adopting an explicitly anti-Christian stance, but given the policies they’re actively pushing the Christian churches in Germany imo will be increasingly discredited among large parts of the population. They’re both shedding members like mad, hundreds of thousands each year through death or formally leaving the church. The Catholics of course have their global church, but the Lutherans won’t be much more than a sect in 20 years, but unfortunately they can do a lot of damage given their privileged position in the German state.

  47. @Thulean Friend

    What can white men do?
     
    Saying no for a start. Not having a defeatist attitude that nothing can be done. None of this is inevitable or a given. Social norms are a constant negotiation and a contest of willpower, ultimately.

    And their boomer fathers grew up to rock and roll, and their white boyfriends(if they are white) are a bunch of cuckish fans of rap music and black sports.
     
    You're making my point for me. The rot is just as deep with white men, if not deeper. Women just imitate men in their vincinity, whether fathers, brothers, boyfriends, classmates etc. Do you think that Jewish Orthodox women act the way they act because they are special women in some way? They act the way they act because of jewish orthodox men imposing their will.

    White men have been so pussywhipped that acting as men, and being unapologetic about male authority, is seen as inconceivable, even unfathomamable.

    White girls probably wouldn’t act that way IF white guys beat blacks in sports or could sing louder.

    In a free society, people gravitate to what excites them. As blacks holler loudest and run fastest, they dominate pop music and sports, both of which are strong in sexual content.

    The only way to stop the current trend is to end freedom and impose iron rule UNTIL blacks are removed from white spaces. And then, freedom can be restored.

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Lol but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaUrff6EyT0


    -


    Although when idiotic young women of Novorossiysk distastefully filmed a video dancing in front of the war memorial on Malaya Zemlya, they were arrested and had to go to prison for 15 days for disrespect to the war memorial. (I think they only filmed in front of the war memorial, because it was one of the only grass parks in their city).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_FnUwvzkuE

    , @melanf

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.
     
    If we are talking about the liberated behavior of different Schoolgirls, the African emigration has nothing to do with it. Girls tend to attract attention in any way, it is a genetic program.

    Here is ex-USSR where there are no blacks

    http://i.imgur.com/xKC1dWv.jpg

    https://negani.com/uploads/posts/2013-06/1372542445_4.jpg

    etc, etc

    There is nothing new in this

    https://img3.goodfon.ru/original/1024x768/d/a6/boilly-lyudi-igra-bilyard.jpg

    Or for example oficial portrait of Empress Elizabeth Petrovna

    https://icdn.lenta.ru/images/2019/08/23/18/20190823185134543/pic_521c2e603c89e1ce013d0916b95d4c6d.jpg

  48. @AnonFromTN
    So, you Germans let the state apparatus, several political parties, and both large “Christian” denominations be taken over by cucks. A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either. Maybe that’s the way to save Germany?

    I find it hard to blame Germans because they were ground zero for anti-Nazism. And, truth be told, we all pretty much live in oligarchies.

  49. @AnonFromTN
    So, you Germans let the state apparatus, several political parties, and both large “Christian” denominations be taken over by cucks. A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either. Maybe that’s the way to save Germany?

    German Reader doesn’t seem to be to fond of Christianity in general. East Germans are lucky in that their attitudes were preserved by the the Soviet freezer.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.

    And besides, I think it is more complicated than that: communism sows distrust in the system. And then also, Eastern Germany is demographically different, despite Berlin, and demography influences culture. I wonder too, if the more cosmopolitan weren't likelier to go West. And what is the average age? Could be older.
  50. @German_reader
    Reminds me of this:
    https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/news/world/gay-chemsex-is-fuelling-urban-hiv-epidemics-aids-experts-warn-351482/

    and this (warning, it's seriously unpleasant):
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/aug/23/i-had-an-erection-for-three-weeks-experience

    That article is surprisingly honest about the epidemic of HIV in gay communities if unintentionally. Or will it get taken down before someone accuses it of perpetuating homophobic stereotypes. Also thanks for the second article, hilarious read ! Had a good laugh about its absurdity!

  51. @reiner Tor
    The Houthi (?) attack on the Saudi oil infrastructure is something which still needs time to assess its impact.

    The one impact is clear, the days of the US run so called “war” are over, I say “war” because bombing helpless opponents from the air is not a real war. The cheap access to drones means that all that expensive hardware Saudi Arabia has not given the automatic dominance in the war.

    I hope that the Houthis can start assassinating the Saudi royals with drone strikes (even better however would be the locals taking them out however), once those rotters are gone then Israel will have lost another loyal cuck state.

  52. @Priss Factor
    Jungle Fever and Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the undoing of the white race.

    These are affluent college educated girls.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1172572006769991680

    Has it ever occurred to any of these ladies in the video that they are acting essentially like animals?

  53. @Anonymoose
    German Reader doesn't seem to be to fond of Christianity in general. East Germans are lucky in that their attitudes were preserved by the the Soviet freezer.

    I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.

    And besides, I think it is more complicated than that: communism sows distrust in the system. And then also, Eastern Germany is demographically different, despite Berlin, and demography influences culture. I wonder too, if the more cosmopolitan weren’t likelier to go West. And what is the average age? Could be older.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.
     
    There were reportages in German media during the short-lived PEGIDA marches (IIRC) in Saxony about DDR-era "the valley of the clueless" which were the only part of the country where transmissions from West Berlin didn’t reach.

    The fact that Saxony has turned from a "Red" area to the most "reactionary" part of Germany would seem to corroborate the theory.

  54. @Anonymoose
    No need to be a boomer to think that. It does look disgusting. What the hell is it made from?

    I like fried minced meat as much as the next guy but it’s far more disgusting when you think about it. Dairy and eggs too.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    What’s disgusting about meat, eggs and dairy?

    Processed food is junk, there are no exceptions. The ingredients and manufacture are optimised for profit, has low nutritional value and high calorie content.

    Fresh animal protein is the best, combined with fresh fruit and vegetables.
    , @Kent Nationalist
    Peak deracination
  55. @Priss Factor
    White girls probably wouldn't act that way IF white guys beat blacks in sports or could sing louder.

    In a free society, people gravitate to what excites them. As blacks holler loudest and run fastest, they dominate pop music and sports, both of which are strong in sexual content.

    The only way to stop the current trend is to end freedom and impose iron rule UNTIL blacks are removed from white spaces. And then, freedom can be restored.

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.

    Lol but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    Although when idiotic young women of Novorossiysk distastefully filmed a video dancing in front of the war memorial on Malaya Zemlya, they were arrested and had to go to prison for 15 days for disrespect to the war memorial. (I think they only filmed in front of the war memorial, because it was one of the only grass parks in their city).

    • Replies: @Anonymoose
    They don't need to be in contact with negroes. They see this shit on TV and on the internet and then decide to copy it because its 'cool' and 'popular'.
    , @Anonymous
    This video was making the 4chan rounds a few years ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rba9Z0CcWwQ

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/"stipper-obics") is marketed as exercise (which I'm sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels "safe" (i.e., only other women around). And for every one internet moral crusader disgusted by this behavior there's about 1000 other guys who are turned on by it.
    , @Priss Factor
    whole world is a colony of globo-homo-schlomo-afro America.
    , @Thulean Friend

    but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.
     
    And why would they need any direct social contract. I clicked on your link and found these two as recommendations:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW3fBHO76XA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5zzIkrXMc

    These are talent shows with tens of millions of views with a huge upvote share. Russian society is sexually permissive and Russian men allow their women to act like glorified hookers on national TV. I'm not saying we are better, we clearly aren't, but in this regard Russia is not any different from the West. And my point is that this is not an automatic rule. I don't buy the whole "lol girls just wanna have fun" excuse. This kind of shit is promoted nonstop in the media. It didn't happen organically. More importantly, the men allow it to happen. You have even seen that kind of justification in this thread.

    The same kind of culture is beamed into other parts of the non-white world, but there men impose a social cost to acting like this. In Russia you can get on talent shows acting like a whore. This is a social choice by the men of their respective societies and let's not pretend otherwise.
    , @Bliss
    All these twerking saqaliba (google it) girls are probably auditioning for jobs in Dubai.

    Btw, it is funny to see the incel dorks here (like prissy) acting all moral over it, lol. As if this is any different than the “high culture” of Europe: just look at ballet and ice dancing for example. What’s with the ballerinas and skaters lifting one leg sky high exposing their vaginas for all to stare at? That’s what French prostitutes have been doing for centuries to attract customers. There is an arab account of Frankish whores doing exactly that in front of crowds of crusaders in the Holy Land they had conquered.
  56. I have Amazon Prime. I even watched the video channel recently. They have a new subtitled Russian series available, золотая орда. It’s very good for learners. The speaking is slow and deliberate. I think it is an attempt at majestic but it makes everything easy to follow. As usual, subtitles are not literal translations but help a lot. It is a marvellous exercise in perfective verbs. The characters are all reporting past events or plotting the future.

    The film doesn’t claim historical accuracy. It is a Russian nationalist, especially Orthodox, narrative. The crowd and battle scenes are low budget. It is mostly intrigue. I guess the Russian TV audience is as feminised as in the US.

    • Replies: @Gerard2

    I guess the Russian TV audience is as feminised as in the US.
     
    Probably more gays/extremely camp people on Russian tv, than there is on US tv.
  57. @Dmitry
    Lol but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaUrff6EyT0


    -


    Although when idiotic young women of Novorossiysk distastefully filmed a video dancing in front of the war memorial on Malaya Zemlya, they were arrested and had to go to prison for 15 days for disrespect to the war memorial. (I think they only filmed in front of the war memorial, because it was one of the only grass parks in their city).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_FnUwvzkuE

    They don’t need to be in contact with negroes. They see this shit on TV and on the internet and then decide to copy it because its ‘cool’ and ‘popular’.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    You can say it is the responsibility of African Americans for the inelegant particular form, but not for the content or reason for its popularity (girls want a reaction).

    Twerking is just lowest common denominator and inelegant way for girls to attract attention to their bodies.

    But there are equally non-African dancing styles which can express the same content. E.g. a local fashion for pole dancing studios with high heels

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTu3jBxDtI4

  58. @songbird
    White South Africans are an interesting group. For once, I am going to agree with Bliss, and say that you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces. It is kind of startling to think about: most of the time it is a low amount like 2-3%, and a mix at that (Malay, Bushmen, and Bantu), but I swear, you still can often see it. Like take a good look at five men, and you will see it in at least one. Maybe, these people are a higher percentage admixture?

    But I concur in general: they are at least politically white, if not fully European. And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country's prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.

    Same lesson regarding America. Americans are just Europeans in North America, though many Europeans would like to think differently. In fact, Americans might be better situated, being further from Africa. Some think that America had no culture, and that is why it was susceptible. This is an error: it did have one.

    you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces

    The Afrikaners are not the only whites in South Africa, they were the earliest settlers and had some significant miscegenation at the beginning. However the non Afrikaner groups are about 40% of the whites and you will not be able to tell if they are from South Africa, America or where the place their ancestors are from (mostly Britain, Germany, former Portuguese colonies).

    As for the the dominance of liberalism, despite the impossibility of denying the racial realities of black run societies, this is absolutely true. The pop culture that Hollywood churns out is just as consumed and taken seriously as it is in most other formerly white lands, so is the neoliberal ideology of The Economist taken as gospel by the business elite. Then there is the very strong fear factor, talking about race is very dangerous, even with the closest of friends. Even if one does not sincerely believe in liberal theologies, the risk of going against it is so great that most will just accept it.

  59. “like animals” (the pelvic cadence in the video)

    Agree. Like animals. The cadence is much too fast for humans. The proper pelvic cadence is much more meticulous, fastidious. A metaphor.
    BTW, the proper chest-compression cadence for CPR is 100 per minute. This is achieved by thinking of the song “Stayin’ Alive,” which has exactly that cadence. CPR trainers teach this cadence tool, and outcome studies validate its merit.

  60. Who needs carriers? Who even needs anti-tank missiles. It’s the age of the drone. Soon, the drone swarm. 5 years ago, I was dealing with drones with enough on board intelligence to recognize a building, find an entrance and explore, a without control signals. One high speed burst of data at the end of the mission. Could deliver poison gas, of course. This was a civilian drone that the developers wanted to sell in Russia. We found them a software developer ready to set them up as a network of search and WiFi deployment devices for the Ministry of Emergency Situations. Then Russia annexed Crimea. End of story.

    A drone swarm with nerve gas could be a substantial weapon. Should ‘large ships be stationed in Bahrain?

    It should be noted that the Extinction Emergency protestors attempt to shut down Heathrow airport with drones failed. Their drones were jammed and fell out of the sky. They were reduced to holding drones above their heads War drones need to be autonomous.

    Reconnaissance drones are already smaller than a humming bird.

  61. @Priss Factor
    Jungle Fever and Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the undoing of the white race.

    These are affluent college educated girls.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1172572006769991680

    This isn’t USA, no goblinas, orcs and Uruks are present.
    Besides, there are actual stunners present, and most of thots have no cellulite and are toned unlike US flabby, skinnyfat girls. The video was posted to ridicule them whyte wymen, because they fail compared to ghetto rat “artists” of the “craft” of twerking.

    It is apparently Ukraine, Odessa.

    As much as I would enjoy the company of several of those blondies, witnessing this behaviour kills any desire to interact with them. Twerking is disgusting on so many levels, animals in heat act with more dignity.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous

    As much as I would enjoy the company of several of those blondies, witnessing this behaviour kills any desire to interact with them. Twerking is disgusting on so many levels, animals in heat act with more dignity.

     

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.

    It's always easy to forget, but the only real value of women (besides family or professional reasons) lies in casual sex or family formation (cleaning or basic service functions included as well). You can guess for yourself as to what purpose these women are good for.

  62. @inertial
    I like fried minced meat as much as the next guy but it's far more disgusting when you think about it. Dairy and eggs too.

    What’s disgusting about meat, eggs and dairy?

    Processed food is junk, there are no exceptions. The ingredients and manufacture are optimised for profit, has low nutritional value and high calorie content.

    Fresh animal protein is the best, combined with fresh fruit and vegetables.

  63. With Oumuamua, people were speculating that interstellar comets were a physical impossibility – that the volatiles would completely boil off during the long journey.

    Therefore, this new one is an interesting find. I wonder if it fits into the idea of panspermia.

  64. @Anonymoose
    They don't need to be in contact with negroes. They see this shit on TV and on the internet and then decide to copy it because its 'cool' and 'popular'.

    You can say it is the responsibility of African Americans for the inelegant particular form, but not for the content or reason for its popularity (girls want a reaction).

    Twerking is just lowest common denominator and inelegant way for girls to attract attention to their bodies.

    But there are equally non-African dancing styles which can express the same content. E.g. a local fashion for pole dancing studios with high heels

  65. @German_reader
    It looks like mass migration to Europe will escalate again. Erdogan is threatening to send a new refugee flood to Europe, and with Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again for the African ferry service. France and Germany have accepted taking in 25% of the "refugees" each. Germany's minister of the interior Seehofer is a lying piece of shit as usual and claims this won't really increase number of asylum seekers (lol).
    And since some commenters here always get agitated about my hostile stance towards contemporary Christians, I'll link to this story about what Germany's main body of Protestants is up to (not that the Catholics are any better):
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-protestant-church-to-send-rescue-ship-to-mediterranean/a-50407182

    Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again

    It was already starting to break in June, if you remember Sea-Watch 3 (where the judge had supported the captain):

    Captain who broke Italy’s migrant ban says ready to rescue more people at sea, raps EU

    A German captain who defied Italy’s ban on boats bringing migrants ashore said on Tuesday she was determined to carry on rescuing migrants from the Mediterranean, even though her ship Sea-Watch 3 remains impounded in an Italian port.

    Carola Rackete, in Barcelona to receive an award from the Catalan parliament for her rescue missions, also urged the European Union to agree on a policy for redistributing migrants around the bloc to help relieve the pressure on Italy.

    “We are definitely willing (to continue rescuing migrants) and there’s a full crew on board ready to sail at any point … I think it’s a very, very important duty to rescue people in maritime distress,” Rackete, 31, told Reuters.

    Sea-Watch 3 is currently detained in the Italian port of Lucata. In June, Rackete piloted the vessel into port on the Italian island of Lampedusa with 41 migrants aboard despite efforts by the then-interior minister Matteo Salvini, leader of the far-right League, to stop her.

  66. @songbird
    I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.

    And besides, I think it is more complicated than that: communism sows distrust in the system. And then also, Eastern Germany is demographically different, despite Berlin, and demography influences culture. I wonder too, if the more cosmopolitan weren't likelier to go West. And what is the average age? Could be older.

    I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.

    There were reportages in German media during the short-lived PEGIDA marches (IIRC) in Saxony about DDR-era “the valley of the clueless” which were the only part of the country where transmissions from West Berlin didn’t reach.

    The fact that Saxony has turned from a “Red” area to the most “reactionary” part of Germany would seem to corroborate the theory.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    AfD does well throughout the former East Germany, the focus on "the valley of the clueless" was just a special form of the Ossie-bashing beloved by mainstream journalists ("Hahaha, look how ignorant those people are! Never learned democracy, didn't have bananas to eat, were economic refugees in 1990 and now they're hating other refugees!").
    Pegida btw wasn't short-lived, it still exists (though on a much reduced scale)...in any case, it was remarkably prescient in 2014.
    Real question imo shouldn't be however what's so special about East Germans, but rather, what the hell is wrong with West Germans (and many others in Western Europe)? How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?
    , @songbird
    Saxony is very rural though isn't it? (maybe, someone with better knowledge of German geography than me could chime in...) If there is a difference, it could be rural/urban.

    Plus, German media is an abominable combination of fluff, lies, and propaganda. Personally, I would banish anyone associated with DW to Africa, without a second thought.

    Hard to separate these different factors.
    , @Matra
    I read somewhere that Merkel's decision to welcome over a million refugees was a panicky reaction to the PEGIDA demonstrations.
  67. @Hyperborean

    I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.
     
    There were reportages in German media during the short-lived PEGIDA marches (IIRC) in Saxony about DDR-era "the valley of the clueless" which were the only part of the country where transmissions from West Berlin didn’t reach.

    The fact that Saxony has turned from a "Red" area to the most "reactionary" part of Germany would seem to corroborate the theory.

    AfD does well throughout the former East Germany, the focus on “the valley of the clueless” was just a special form of the Ossie-bashing beloved by mainstream journalists (“Hahaha, look how ignorant those people are! Never learned democracy, didn’t have bananas to eat, were economic refugees in 1990 and now they’re hating other refugees!”).
    Pegida btw wasn’t short-lived, it still exists (though on a much reduced scale)…in any case, it was remarkably prescient in 2014.
    Real question imo shouldn’t be however what’s so special about East Germans, but rather, what the hell is wrong with West Germans (and many others in Western Europe)? How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    AfD does well throughout the former East Germany, the focus on “the valley of the clueless” was just a special form of the Ossie-bashing beloved by mainstream journalists

     

    My impression based on older electoral maps was that Saxony was their stronghold.

    https://cn.bing.com/th?id=OIP.hbwnN2m7n2CBKVGn7DPhngHaKg&pid=Api&dpr=2.75

    https://cn.bing.com/th?id=OIP.HH965Lj5vt85AwpijjxdewHaIR&pid=Api&dpr=2.75

    But it seems as if they are spreading into Thuringia and southern Saxony-Anhalt and parts of Brandenburg as well recently.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Europawahl_2019_in_Deutschland_%E2%80%93_Vorl%C3%A4ufiges_Ergebnis_der_AfD_%28%25%29.svg/896px-Europawahl_2019_in_Deutschland_%E2%80%93_Vorl%C3%A4ufiges_Ergebnis_der_AfD_%28%25%29.svg.png

    Real question imo shouldn’t be however what’s so special about East Germans, but rather, what the hell is wrong with West Germans (and many others in Western Europe)? How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?
     
    From my subjective experience it seems that there are people who realise that everything is going downhills and that changes need to be made. Yet very few of them dare to think about "forbidden" solutions that go against what they are taught - which ends up in them floundering.
    , @AnonFromTN

    How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?
     
    Apparently, the heads of too many Germans are full of shit. Interestingly enough, shitheads are more common in the “democratic” West than in the “undemocratic” East. Tells you a lot about current version of “democracy”.
  68. @Hyperborean

    I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.
     
    There were reportages in German media during the short-lived PEGIDA marches (IIRC) in Saxony about DDR-era "the valley of the clueless" which were the only part of the country where transmissions from West Berlin didn’t reach.

    The fact that Saxony has turned from a "Red" area to the most "reactionary" part of Germany would seem to corroborate the theory.

    Saxony is very rural though isn’t it? (maybe, someone with better knowledge of German geography than me could chime in…) If there is a difference, it could be rural/urban.

    Plus, German media is an abominable combination of fluff, lies, and propaganda. Personally, I would banish anyone associated with DW to Africa, without a second thought.

    Hard to separate these different factors.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    Saxony has two large cities, Leipzig and Dresden. So, it is not rural. It just shows that cuckishness was promoted by “democracies” long before 1991.

    Plus, German media is an abominable combination of fluff, lies, and propaganda.
     
    Isn’t all Western MSM exactly like that? Say, American MSM output is 90% lies and 10% truth twisted beyond recognition.
  69. @Hyperborean

    I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.
     
    There were reportages in German media during the short-lived PEGIDA marches (IIRC) in Saxony about DDR-era "the valley of the clueless" which were the only part of the country where transmissions from West Berlin didn’t reach.

    The fact that Saxony has turned from a "Red" area to the most "reactionary" part of Germany would seem to corroborate the theory.

    I read somewhere that Merkel’s decision to welcome over a million refugees was a panicky reaction to the PEGIDA demonstrations.

  70. yakushimaru says:
    September 10, 2019 at 4:32 am GMT
    @Godfree Roberts
    “I’m dumbstriken.

    You know I am Chinese living in China. I can’t say I ever met a single Chinese who loves Mao half as you do.”

    yakushimaru either lives in a cave with no access to Internets or doesn’t live in China at all…

    A few years ago, a video was posted on Chinese Internets showing a favorite TV talent show host insulted Mao at a private gathering. The outages it ensued was mind boggling, never mind how popular he had been as a TV star. And he end up getting fired… There’s no way a “Chinese living in China” with access to Internets doesn’t know this incident, it was huge.

    I suspect that video was leaked to run an unofficial “poll” on opinions of Mao by the top level CCP . “Who do you love more, a darling TV star or Mao?” And the people have spoken…

  71. Speaking of WW2, I was thinking recently of the Potsdam Declaration, which included this line: “we do not intend that the Japanese shall be enslaved as a race or destroyed as a nation…”

  72. @German_reader
    AfD does well throughout the former East Germany, the focus on "the valley of the clueless" was just a special form of the Ossie-bashing beloved by mainstream journalists ("Hahaha, look how ignorant those people are! Never learned democracy, didn't have bananas to eat, were economic refugees in 1990 and now they're hating other refugees!").
    Pegida btw wasn't short-lived, it still exists (though on a much reduced scale)...in any case, it was remarkably prescient in 2014.
    Real question imo shouldn't be however what's so special about East Germans, but rather, what the hell is wrong with West Germans (and many others in Western Europe)? How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?

    AfD does well throughout the former East Germany, the focus on “the valley of the clueless” was just a special form of the Ossie-bashing beloved by mainstream journalists

    My impression based on older electoral maps was that Saxony was their stronghold.

    https://cn.bing.com/th?id=OIP.hbwnN2m7n2CBKVGn7DPhngHaKg&pid=Api&dpr=2.75

    https://cn.bing.com/th?id=OIP.HH965Lj5vt85AwpijjxdewHaIR&pid=Api&dpr=2.75

    But it seems as if they are spreading into Thuringia and southern Saxony-Anhalt and parts of Brandenburg as well recently.

    Real question imo shouldn’t be however what’s so special about East Germans, but rather, what the hell is wrong with West Germans (and many others in Western Europe)? How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?

    From my subjective experience it seems that there are people who realise that everything is going downhills and that changes need to be made. Yet very few of them dare to think about “forbidden” solutions that go against what they are taught – which ends up in them floundering.

  73. @German_reader
    It looks like mass migration to Europe will escalate again. Erdogan is threatening to send a new refugee flood to Europe, and with Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again for the African ferry service. France and Germany have accepted taking in 25% of the "refugees" each. Germany's minister of the interior Seehofer is a lying piece of shit as usual and claims this won't really increase number of asylum seekers (lol).
    And since some commenters here always get agitated about my hostile stance towards contemporary Christians, I'll link to this story about what Germany's main body of Protestants is up to (not that the Catholics are any better):
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-protestant-church-to-send-rescue-ship-to-mediterranean/a-50407182

    It never stopped, around 10 000 at minimum entered just via Bosnia&Herzegovina, i would say it’s at least 20 000, because government here lies about that stuff.

    Now it’s just gonna get on intensity again. But i wouldn’t count Erdogan words too much, it probably will be few thousands more per year. Med route tho. Especially with all those Scandinavians virtue signaling with those ships.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Especially with all those Scandinavians virtue signaling with those ships.
     
    Probably more Germans than Scandinavians. These open borders ngos (which are quite explicit about their intentions, it really is about opening Europe to potentially unlimited mass immigration, with global freedom of movement seen as a human right) have the support of much of the establishment here, president Steinmeier has spoken in their support ("saving people can't be a crime"), the churches support them, prominent Christian Democrats as well (the minister president of North-Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous German state, Armin Laschet, a possible Merkel successor, recently called Salvini a Hetzer, a rabble-rouser, an enemy of the refugees). There's now also a movement by dozens of towns and cities which have declared their willingness to take in additional "refugees" and are lobbying for transportation of Africans taken up in the Mediterranean to Europe.
    Even worse, they're still pushing for the idea that there needs to be a "fair" distribution of "refugees" throughout the EU. The hubris is stunning.
  74. @Epigon
    This isn’t USA, no goblinas, orcs and Uruks are present.
    Besides, there are actual stunners present, and most of thots have no cellulite and are toned unlike US flabby, skinnyfat girls. The video was posted to ridicule them whyte wymen, because they fail compared to ghetto rat “artists” of the “craft” of twerking.

    It is apparently Ukraine, Odessa.

    As much as I would enjoy the company of several of those blondies, witnessing this behaviour kills any desire to interact with them. Twerking is disgusting on so many levels, animals in heat act with more dignity.

    As much as I would enjoy the company of several of those blondies, witnessing this behaviour kills any desire to interact with them. Twerking is disgusting on so many levels, animals in heat act with more dignity.

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.

    It’s always easy to forget, but the only real value of women (besides family or professional reasons) lies in casual sex or family formation (cleaning or basic service functions included as well). You can guess for yourself as to what purpose these women are good for.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.
     
    This is why I always say you disgusting manosphere creeps are the ugly mirror image of feminists, only worse. Feminists define men according to their behavior at their worst, ignoring all the good they do and are.

    Feminists are far more gracious to men, though. They condemn only learned toxic masculinity (like yours) rather than concoct bogus theories of men's innate wickedness.
  75. @anon
    It never stopped, around 10 000 at minimum entered just via Bosnia&Herzegovina, i would say it's at least 20 000, because government here lies about that stuff.

    Now it's just gonna get on intensity again. But i wouldn't count Erdogan words too much, it probably will be few thousands more per year. Med route tho. Especially with all those Scandinavians virtue signaling with those ships.

    Especially with all those Scandinavians virtue signaling with those ships.

    Probably more Germans than Scandinavians. These open borders ngos (which are quite explicit about their intentions, it really is about opening Europe to potentially unlimited mass immigration, with global freedom of movement seen as a human right) have the support of much of the establishment here, president Steinmeier has spoken in their support (“saving people can’t be a crime”), the churches support them, prominent Christian Democrats as well (the minister president of North-Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous German state, Armin Laschet, a possible Merkel successor, recently called Salvini a Hetzer, a rabble-rouser, an enemy of the refugees). There’s now also a movement by dozens of towns and cities which have declared their willingness to take in additional “refugees” and are lobbying for transportation of Africans taken up in the Mediterranean to Europe.
    Even worse, they’re still pushing for the idea that there needs to be a “fair” distribution of “refugees” throughout the EU. The hubris is stunning.

    • Replies: @anon
    Well, it's actually surprising how many such people actually exist on Balkans, but still it's all fueled by American dollars, and some EU grants. There's a NGO "Are you Syrious" located in Zagreb, and on facebook, they even posted materials on Arabic, Urdu and other Asiatic languages how to avoid border police, across Balkans. Incredible.

    Tutorial how to break a law, and nothing is done against them, which means that Zagreb obeys the west. Truth to be told Croatians are chasing those poor ones and sending them back to Bihać even using physical force, but those that can pay transit are passing unbothered. Which makes me think that German politicians are trying to filter who gets in.
  76. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry
    Lol but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaUrff6EyT0


    -


    Although when idiotic young women of Novorossiysk distastefully filmed a video dancing in front of the war memorial on Malaya Zemlya, they were arrested and had to go to prison for 15 days for disrespect to the war memorial. (I think they only filmed in front of the war memorial, because it was one of the only grass parks in their city).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_FnUwvzkuE

    This video was making the 4chan rounds a few years ago

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/”stipper-obics”) is marketed as exercise (which I’m sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe” (i.e., only other women around). And for every one internet moral crusader disgusted by this behavior there’s about 1000 other guys who are turned on by it.

    • Replies: @anon

    there’s about 1000 other dogs who are turned on by it
     
    , @Rosie

    There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe” (i.e., only other women around).
     
    Fact check: mostly true.

    Yes, we like to dance, ideally with other women. And yes, dancing is inherently sexual, but I don't think that proves there's no Jewish conspiracy. Gyms don't offer any dance classes that don't reflect the (((popular culture))).

    , @Epigon

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/”stipper-obics”) is marketed as exercise (which I’m sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe”
     
    Riiiight.
    This behaviour being in "women's nature", you think women 30, 50, 100, 200 years ago would approve of it and join in the fun?


    It's almost as if moral code, desired and acceptable behaviour are not dictated by women themselves... And that there is a concentrated push coming from certain circles and groups with the explicite goal of undermining European traditions and social norms.

  77. @Dmitry
    Lol but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaUrff6EyT0


    -


    Although when idiotic young women of Novorossiysk distastefully filmed a video dancing in front of the war memorial on Malaya Zemlya, they were arrested and had to go to prison for 15 days for disrespect to the war memorial. (I think they only filmed in front of the war memorial, because it was one of the only grass parks in their city).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_FnUwvzkuE

    whole world is a colony of globo-homo-schlomo-afro America.

  78. @German_reader
    AfD does well throughout the former East Germany, the focus on "the valley of the clueless" was just a special form of the Ossie-bashing beloved by mainstream journalists ("Hahaha, look how ignorant those people are! Never learned democracy, didn't have bananas to eat, were economic refugees in 1990 and now they're hating other refugees!").
    Pegida btw wasn't short-lived, it still exists (though on a much reduced scale)...in any case, it was remarkably prescient in 2014.
    Real question imo shouldn't be however what's so special about East Germans, but rather, what the hell is wrong with West Germans (and many others in Western Europe)? How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?

    How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?

    Apparently, the heads of too many Germans are full of shit. Interestingly enough, shitheads are more common in the “democratic” West than in the “undemocratic” East. Tells you a lot about current version of “democracy”.

  79. @German_reader

    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad.
     
    I agree to some extent, it's just that I fear the majority in Germany will never wake up...the fanatics who are totally in favour of this project (at least 20-30% of the electorate) are beyond redemption anyway. But yes, the sooner it escalates, the better. The time for reasonable compromise is past anyway.

    Salvini was already going to win big time and now these latest actions are just going to increase his majority. They are almost giving it to him with their actions.

  80. @songbird
    Saxony is very rural though isn't it? (maybe, someone with better knowledge of German geography than me could chime in...) If there is a difference, it could be rural/urban.

    Plus, German media is an abominable combination of fluff, lies, and propaganda. Personally, I would banish anyone associated with DW to Africa, without a second thought.

    Hard to separate these different factors.

    Saxony has two large cities, Leipzig and Dresden. So, it is not rural. It just shows that cuckishness was promoted by “democracies” long before 1991.

    Plus, German media is an abominable combination of fluff, lies, and propaganda.

    Isn’t all Western MSM exactly like that? Say, American MSM output is 90% lies and 10% truth twisted beyond recognition.

    • Replies: @songbird

    Saxony has two large cities, Leipzig and Dresden. So, it is not rural.
     
    Only person I ever knew from Saxony was a farmer. Guess that is incident, and it is the North of Eastern Germany that is least populated - not what I would have expected by instinct.

    Isn’t all Western MSM exactly like that?
     
    Pretty much, but I am still disturbed by what I saw during Merkel's migrant invasion. Though, I guess it is not really even slightly different than US media coverage of the Southern border.
  81. Crazy how much people whine about interracial marriage. It’s a non problem, a few mutt faces will not ultimately do anything and the problem first and foremost in all the white countries of the world is first and foremost low birthrate among white couples. Once white folks start giving birth then we can start lynching the nogs, until then shut up.

  82. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Especially with all those Scandinavians virtue signaling with those ships.
     
    Probably more Germans than Scandinavians. These open borders ngos (which are quite explicit about their intentions, it really is about opening Europe to potentially unlimited mass immigration, with global freedom of movement seen as a human right) have the support of much of the establishment here, president Steinmeier has spoken in their support ("saving people can't be a crime"), the churches support them, prominent Christian Democrats as well (the minister president of North-Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous German state, Armin Laschet, a possible Merkel successor, recently called Salvini a Hetzer, a rabble-rouser, an enemy of the refugees). There's now also a movement by dozens of towns and cities which have declared their willingness to take in additional "refugees" and are lobbying for transportation of Africans taken up in the Mediterranean to Europe.
    Even worse, they're still pushing for the idea that there needs to be a "fair" distribution of "refugees" throughout the EU. The hubris is stunning.

    Well, it’s actually surprising how many such people actually exist on Balkans, but still it’s all fueled by American dollars, and some EU grants. There’s a NGO “Are you Syrious” located in Zagreb, and on facebook, they even posted materials on Arabic, Urdu and other Asiatic languages how to avoid border police, across Balkans. Incredible.

    Tutorial how to break a law, and nothing is done against them, which means that Zagreb obeys the west. Truth to be told Croatians are chasing those poor ones and sending them back to Bihać even using physical force, but those that can pay transit are passing unbothered. Which makes me think that German politicians are trying to filter who gets in.

  83. @Anonymous
    This video was making the 4chan rounds a few years ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rba9Z0CcWwQ

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/"stipper-obics") is marketed as exercise (which I'm sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels "safe" (i.e., only other women around). And for every one internet moral crusader disgusted by this behavior there's about 1000 other guys who are turned on by it.

    there’s about 1000 other dogs who are turned on by it

  84. @AnonFromTN
    Saxony has two large cities, Leipzig and Dresden. So, it is not rural. It just shows that cuckishness was promoted by “democracies” long before 1991.

    Plus, German media is an abominable combination of fluff, lies, and propaganda.
     
    Isn’t all Western MSM exactly like that? Say, American MSM output is 90% lies and 10% truth twisted beyond recognition.

    Saxony has two large cities, Leipzig and Dresden. So, it is not rural.

    Only person I ever knew from Saxony was a farmer. Guess that is incident, and it is the North of Eastern Germany that is least populated – not what I would have expected by instinct.

    Isn’t all Western MSM exactly like that?

    Pretty much, but I am still disturbed by what I saw during Merkel’s migrant invasion. Though, I guess it is not really even slightly different than US media coverage of the Southern border.

  85. @songbird
    Can Trump even win a second term? I'm predicting no: demographic changes.

    I don't think there will be another Republican president, unless the franchise is restricted again, or part of the US secedes, and, despite the Reconquista rhetoric, I don't think Mexicans really want to rejoin Mexico.

    New Hampshire probably isn't a good indicator for the Dems. As a party, they've been hostile to NH having the first in the nation primary for a long time now.

    The Democrats have the edge in popular vote. The Republicans have the edge in the Electoral College vote. And it will stay that way for a long time. The Democrats will get more and more urban giving them an edge in the popular vote. The Republicans will get more and more rural and suburban giving them an edge in the Electoral College vote.

    And the ability to change the Constitution to make the Electoral College reflect the popular vote is damn near impossible. So the Democrats will not take over. It might be the reverse.

  86. @Priss Factor
    White girls probably wouldn't act that way IF white guys beat blacks in sports or could sing louder.

    In a free society, people gravitate to what excites them. As blacks holler loudest and run fastest, they dominate pop music and sports, both of which are strong in sexual content.

    The only way to stop the current trend is to end freedom and impose iron rule UNTIL blacks are removed from white spaces. And then, freedom can be restored.

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.

    If we are talking about the liberated behavior of different Schoolgirls, the African emigration has nothing to do with it. Girls tend to attract attention in any way, it is a genetic program.

    Here is ex-USSR where there are no blacks

    etc, etc

    There is nothing new in this

    Or for example oficial portrait of Empress Elizabeth Petrovna

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    You're trying to cover the issue in fatalism. And it is quite interesting that a lot of Russian men in this thread have defended these social norms where whoredom is celebrated/normalised, or at least put up their hands in resignation. A society's women act the way they are allowed to by their men. Feminists are not wrong in this, which is why they obsess over men's attitudes.

    There is nothing automatic about dressing like a hooker, and it doesn't serve anyone trying to pretend otherwise. If men show permissive attitudes, women will take the cue. It's that simple. This is a social choice made by the men in that society and not taking a stand against something is also taking an implicit stand in favor of it, by allowing it to happen.

    , @neutral

    the African emigration has nothing to do with it.
     
    True, blacks have zero real control of the mass media/entertainment outlets. Jews on the other hand have near total dominance of all mass pop culture, things like twerking became an acceptable societal norm because jews made it so.
  87. @Dmitry
    Lol but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaUrff6EyT0


    -


    Although when idiotic young women of Novorossiysk distastefully filmed a video dancing in front of the war memorial on Malaya Zemlya, they were arrested and had to go to prison for 15 days for disrespect to the war memorial. (I think they only filmed in front of the war memorial, because it was one of the only grass parks in their city).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_FnUwvzkuE

    but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    And why would they need any direct social contract. I clicked on your link and found these two as recommendations:

    These are talent shows with tens of millions of views with a huge upvote share. Russian society is sexually permissive and Russian men allow their women to act like glorified hookers on national TV. I’m not saying we are better, we clearly aren’t, but in this regard Russia is not any different from the West. And my point is that this is not an automatic rule. I don’t buy the whole “lol girls just wanna have fun” excuse. This kind of shit is promoted nonstop in the media. It didn’t happen organically. More importantly, the men allow it to happen. You have even seen that kind of justification in this thread.

    The same kind of culture is beamed into other parts of the non-white world, but there men impose a social cost to acting like this. In Russia you can get on talent shows acting like a whore. This is a social choice by the men of their respective societies and let’s not pretend otherwise.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/960/986/d28.gif
    , @Brutis
    Stop being a self hating cuck.

    Non white men impose a cost because the state is less effective.

    Study on Islamic Terror indicated when the state can prevent retaliatory mob violence the sullahs do more terrorism.

    Liberalism is a global and not a white non white problem. It's just a more advanced problem in the white world.

    A fucking Indian or Chinese doesn't want to be filled with Negroes either and even one is too many so Stfu.
    , @Dmitry
    It's not especially permissiveness, but just where there is higher safety for women, they (i.e. exhibitionist subsection of the female population, which is not necessarily a majority) can attract attention without danger.

    In Russia, overall crime is higher than Western Europe, but the attitude for women is a comfortable one as in Western Europe.

    For example, Armenian woman I have heard personally, (not just because of the recent story) that she is happy she grew up in Russia, because the attitude for women is frightening for her in Armenia.

    Or you can see in Japan, where personal safety is very high, how women behave similarly. (On the other hand, in India, the Middle East, of Africa, half of people would likely be raped with clothes like this - in Japan the probability of being raped is maybe lower than strikes by lightening).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmSvmvn1sFw

  88. @melanf

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.
     
    If we are talking about the liberated behavior of different Schoolgirls, the African emigration has nothing to do with it. Girls tend to attract attention in any way, it is a genetic program.

    Here is ex-USSR where there are no blacks

    http://i.imgur.com/xKC1dWv.jpg

    https://negani.com/uploads/posts/2013-06/1372542445_4.jpg

    etc, etc

    There is nothing new in this

    https://img3.goodfon.ru/original/1024x768/d/a6/boilly-lyudi-igra-bilyard.jpg

    Or for example oficial portrait of Empress Elizabeth Petrovna

    https://icdn.lenta.ru/images/2019/08/23/18/20190823185134543/pic_521c2e603c89e1ce013d0916b95d4c6d.jpg

    You’re trying to cover the issue in fatalism. And it is quite interesting that a lot of Russian men in this thread have defended these social norms where whoredom is celebrated/normalised, or at least put up their hands in resignation. A society’s women act the way they are allowed to by their men. Feminists are not wrong in this, which is why they obsess over men’s attitudes.

    There is nothing automatic about dressing like a hooker, and it doesn’t serve anyone trying to pretend otherwise. If men show permissive attitudes, women will take the cue. It’s that simple. This is a social choice made by the men in that society and not taking a stand against something is also taking an implicit stand in favor of it, by allowing it to happen.

    • Replies: @melanf

    You’re trying to cover the issue in fatalism. And it is quite interesting that a lot of Russian men in this thread have defended these social norms where whoredom is celebrated/normalised
     
    These half-naked girls are just stupid (and in most cases ugly) girls trying to attract attention. If you make these girls wear long dresses, they won't get any smarter. Again whoredom does not improve if this phenomenon is hidden under long clothes. Because of this, I do not understand why these half-naked girls should bother me? Rather, on the contrary such clothing is a marker of stupidity, so I know who to avoid.
  89. Your almost acting like a cuck for Yang at this point AK. The first thing he said in the first debate is that “Russia is a bigger threat the China” and he repeats the MSMs script on “WHITE SUPREMACY” verbatim. Its almost like you still like hime because he is one of bay area bros.

  90. @Thulean Friend

    but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.
     
    And why would they need any direct social contract. I clicked on your link and found these two as recommendations:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW3fBHO76XA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5zzIkrXMc

    These are talent shows with tens of millions of views with a huge upvote share. Russian society is sexually permissive and Russian men allow their women to act like glorified hookers on national TV. I'm not saying we are better, we clearly aren't, but in this regard Russia is not any different from the West. And my point is that this is not an automatic rule. I don't buy the whole "lol girls just wanna have fun" excuse. This kind of shit is promoted nonstop in the media. It didn't happen organically. More importantly, the men allow it to happen. You have even seen that kind of justification in this thread.

    The same kind of culture is beamed into other parts of the non-white world, but there men impose a social cost to acting like this. In Russia you can get on talent shows acting like a whore. This is a social choice by the men of their respective societies and let's not pretend otherwise.

    • Agree: neutral
    • LOL: German_reader
  91. So I am quite amused by this thread. On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say. Meanwhile:

    The point I’m making is that people who care about the social norms in any given society are the ones who will shape it. Trannies are being pushed today by the same people who started a lot of the negative social trends decades earlier. Fatalism/passive acceptance or ironybro posting is not an answer to any of this.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    There’s a whole interconnected government structure throughout the West (it’s not enough to just topple one of them, not even the strongest), judiciary (also interconnected in Europe at least), media, big tech, academia, and probably a few more I forgot to mention. The whole thing is stacked against us.

    Now, it’s not like some self-improvement advice is going to help. Nor some kind of movement, even copying our enemies won’t help. (They operated abusing the old elites’ sense of fairness. “I ask for mercy when you are stronger, because that is your principle. I don’t give mercy when I’m stronger, because that is my principle.”)

    We are at the point where we need our enemies to make major mistakes. I’m pretty sure that they will make mistakes. It’s just the nature of things that the strong always make mistakes. Nothing lasts forever. The only question is if their collapse will come before or after it’s too late demographically.
    , @Epigon

    On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say.
     
    Your constructive proposal on what needs to be done is?
    , @reiner Tor

    ironybro
     
    Don’t be so square. You also did great parody with your jokes praising the synthetic “food.”
    , @Beckow
    The problem is that traditional family-centered societies tend to end in a cul-de-sac. More and more virtue leads to a natural counter-reaction. I don't defend it and it is not fatalism, we just need to be aware that dynamic exists.

    I am not quite sure why it is, but it always seems to happen over time. It happens when prosperity rises (Sweden in the 70's-90', or Canada), but it also happens when societies are economically collapsing (Russia in the 90's or Weimar Germany).

    I would like a society where families with children are heavily preferred, divorce is limited, and abnormal behaviors are pushed to the margins. But we had societies like that and they turned out to be unstable. One of the side effects of many traditional societies is men behaving badly. It has certain appeal to me, but let's not fool ourselves, that is also very destructive.
  92. @Thulean Friend

    but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.
     
    And why would they need any direct social contract. I clicked on your link and found these two as recommendations:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW3fBHO76XA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5zzIkrXMc

    These are talent shows with tens of millions of views with a huge upvote share. Russian society is sexually permissive and Russian men allow their women to act like glorified hookers on national TV. I'm not saying we are better, we clearly aren't, but in this regard Russia is not any different from the West. And my point is that this is not an automatic rule. I don't buy the whole "lol girls just wanna have fun" excuse. This kind of shit is promoted nonstop in the media. It didn't happen organically. More importantly, the men allow it to happen. You have even seen that kind of justification in this thread.

    The same kind of culture is beamed into other parts of the non-white world, but there men impose a social cost to acting like this. In Russia you can get on talent shows acting like a whore. This is a social choice by the men of their respective societies and let's not pretend otherwise.

    Stop being a self hating cuck.

    Non white men impose a cost because the state is less effective.

    Study on Islamic Terror indicated when the state can prevent retaliatory mob violence the sullahs do more terrorism.

    Liberalism is a global and not a white non white problem. It’s just a more advanced problem in the white world.

    A fucking Indian or Chinese doesn’t want to be filled with Negroes either and even one is too many so Stfu.

  93. [MORE]

    https://mobile.twitter.com/haryannvi/status/1169339027234807808?ref_url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.unz.com%2fakarlin%2fopen-thread-88%2f
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    No Karlin we like your writing and don’t want to oven you।।

    https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerSilence1/status/1144860083110780929/photo/3

  94. [MORE]

    Khalsa travels the world unhindered.
    Without wealth they are rich,
    Without land, Kings.

    Karlin pretends to be a Saka
    A Zath of the Massagetae
    An Alan of the Rukhsalan
    Or a Sarmat among the Aryas

    He is just a semite cow-killer.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

  95. Recently, I went to a conference in Akademgorodok, a scientific suburb of Novosibirsk built in the late Khrushchev era. Hands down this is the nicest small Russian town I have seen. Clean, orderly, polite. Good food and coffee.

    Novosibirsk itself, while having a few nice streets, is in general rather shabby. Philip Philipovich Preobrazhensky was right. I do not love the proletariat. Intelligent, conscientious people have a duty to take up the burden of organizing society.

    Anyhow, after that visit, I finally got around to reading Spufford’s Red Plenty, part of which is set in Akademgorodok. One plot point that stuck out, rather suspiciously, is when the geneticist studying mutations discovers two cohorts of people exhibiting an increased rate of mutation: a cohort growing up (or born?) during the Civil War and another growing up during Stalin’s Terror. Notably she found no increased rate of mutation from the cohort who grew up during the Second World War. Supposedly these were the discoveries of the real-life model for this character, Raisa Berg, but I haven’t pursued that yet.

    A few thoughts.

    First, it would certainly be interesting to look at genetic traces of major historical events. Does anyone know of other examples? In this content, I’ve only ever heard of fat content statistics, not mutation rates.

    Second, while it is not surprising that the Civil War left a mark on Russian DNA, I’m very skeptical that Stalin would have left a more noticeable mark than Hitler. Rough numbers from Google: 8 million dead in the civil war, 600,000 to 1.2 million dead from Stalin’s Terror, and about 20 million dead during the German invasion. So Stalin’s Terror, while no doubt miserable to live through, was incomparable in magnitude to both the Civil War and to the Second World War.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend

    First, it would certainly be interesting to look at genetic traces of major historical events. Does anyone know of other examples?
     
    A famous example would be the Dutch winter famine of 1944. This deals with the genetics effects for those born during that period. Does this qualify as 'fat content statistics', though?
    , @AP

    So Stalin’s Terror, while no doubt miserable to live through, was incomparable in magnitude to both the Civil War and to the Second World War.
     
    Yes, but Stalin specifically targeted smart and conscientious hard-working people. Hitler's victims were probably more evenly distributed.
  96. @The Big Red Scary
    Recently, I went to a conference in Akademgorodok, a scientific suburb of Novosibirsk built in the late Khrushchev era. Hands down this is the nicest small Russian town I have seen. Clean, orderly, polite. Good food and coffee.

    Novosibirsk itself, while having a few nice streets, is in general rather shabby. Philip Philipovich Preobrazhensky was right. I do not love the proletariat. Intelligent, conscientious people have a duty to take up the burden of organizing society.

    Anyhow, after that visit, I finally got around to reading Spufford's Red Plenty, part of which is set in Akademgorodok. One plot point that stuck out, rather suspiciously, is when the geneticist studying mutations discovers two cohorts of people exhibiting an increased rate of mutation: a cohort growing up (or born?) during the Civil War and another growing up during Stalin's Terror. Notably she found no increased rate of mutation from the cohort who grew up during the Second World War. Supposedly these were the discoveries of the real-life model for this character, Raisa Berg, but I haven't pursued that yet.

    A few thoughts.

    First, it would certainly be interesting to look at genetic traces of major historical events. Does anyone know of other examples? In this content, I've only ever heard of fat content statistics, not mutation rates.

    Second, while it is not surprising that the Civil War left a mark on Russian DNA, I'm very skeptical that Stalin would have left a more noticeable mark than Hitler. Rough numbers from Google: 8 million dead in the civil war, 600,000 to 1.2 million dead from Stalin's Terror, and about 20 million dead during the German invasion. So Stalin's Terror, while no doubt miserable to live through, was incomparable in magnitude to both the Civil War and to the Second World War.

    First, it would certainly be interesting to look at genetic traces of major historical events. Does anyone know of other examples?

    A famous example would be the Dutch winter famine of 1944. This deals with the genetics effects for those born during that period. Does this qualify as ‘fat content statistics’, though?

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    Thanks. The Dutch winter famine is what I vaguely had in mind and was trying to recall, but I didn't know there had been a genetic rather than purely phenotypical study.

    And I should have mentioned the Soviet Famine of 1932-1933 as another example of a major historical event of far greater magnitude than that of Stalin's Terror.

    I don't know much about demographics, but it seems to me that in questions of population, the sensible order of magnitude is powers of 2 rather than of 10. So one can say that the Civil War and Famine were each at least 3 orders of magnitude greater in death toll than the Terror, while the War was at least 4 orders of magnitude greater.
  97. @inertial
    I like fried minced meat as much as the next guy but it's far more disgusting when you think about it. Dairy and eggs too.

    Peak deracination

    • Replies: @inertial
    We eat weird stuff if you think about it.

    What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.

    What is dairy? Secretion of certain reproductive glands, in various stages of decomposition.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.

    By contrast, that fake burger thing is merely a mixture of grains and legumes. Not clear why it would be any more disgusting than the things above.
  98. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    As much as I would enjoy the company of several of those blondies, witnessing this behaviour kills any desire to interact with them. Twerking is disgusting on so many levels, animals in heat act with more dignity.

     

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.

    It's always easy to forget, but the only real value of women (besides family or professional reasons) lies in casual sex or family formation (cleaning or basic service functions included as well). You can guess for yourself as to what purpose these women are good for.

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.

    This is why I always say you disgusting manosphere creeps are the ugly mirror image of feminists, only worse. Feminists define men according to their behavior at their worst, ignoring all the good they do and are.

    Feminists are far more gracious to men, though. They condemn only learned toxic masculinity (like yours) rather than concoct bogus theories of men’s innate wickedness.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    Rosie, when a normal man has got himself a good bunch of grapes, he will praise their sweetness, even as they start getting a bit wrinkly and less juicy. Don't waste your time on those who complain about sour grapes.
    , @Epigon
    Apparently, criticising women engaging in degenerate, humiliating behaviour and reducing themselves to meat and holes is - toxic masculinity.
    , @anonymous coward

    toxic masculinity
     
    Telling women to raise kids and form families is now "toxic masculinity"??

    Are you mad??
    , @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Honestly, I replied to you with a LOL because your Feminist svidomy (not sure if there could be a better phrase than that) is genuinely amusing. Of course, it's also not worth arguing with silly and shallow women, which is basically what 99.9% of all women are currently as a result of their surroundings and programming.

    I've already wasted more than enough time on that with you and I have absolutely no reason to doubt that I am a superior form of life to you anyway (which is quite natural as on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on).
    , @Kent Nationalist
    Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.
  99. @Thulean Friend

    First, it would certainly be interesting to look at genetic traces of major historical events. Does anyone know of other examples?
     
    A famous example would be the Dutch winter famine of 1944. This deals with the genetics effects for those born during that period. Does this qualify as 'fat content statistics', though?

    Thanks. The Dutch winter famine is what I vaguely had in mind and was trying to recall, but I didn’t know there had been a genetic rather than purely phenotypical study.

    And I should have mentioned the Soviet Famine of 1932-1933 as another example of a major historical event of far greater magnitude than that of Stalin’s Terror.

    I don’t know much about demographics, but it seems to me that in questions of population, the sensible order of magnitude is powers of 2 rather than of 10. So one can say that the Civil War and Famine were each at least 3 orders of magnitude greater in death toll than the Terror, while the War was at least 4 orders of magnitude greater.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  100. @Rosie

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.
     
    This is why I always say you disgusting manosphere creeps are the ugly mirror image of feminists, only worse. Feminists define men according to their behavior at their worst, ignoring all the good they do and are.

    Feminists are far more gracious to men, though. They condemn only learned toxic masculinity (like yours) rather than concoct bogus theories of men's innate wickedness.

    Rosie, when a normal man has got himself a good bunch of grapes, he will praise their sweetness, even as they start getting a bit wrinkly and less juicy. Don’t waste your time on those who complain about sour grapes.

  101. @Anonymous
    This video was making the 4chan rounds a few years ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rba9Z0CcWwQ

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/"stipper-obics") is marketed as exercise (which I'm sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels "safe" (i.e., only other women around). And for every one internet moral crusader disgusted by this behavior there's about 1000 other guys who are turned on by it.

    There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe” (i.e., only other women around).

    Fact check: mostly true.

    Yes, we like to dance, ideally with other women. And yes, dancing is inherently sexual, but I don’t think that proves there’s no Jewish conspiracy. Gyms don’t offer any dance classes that don’t reflect the (((popular culture))).

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    My daughter likes dancing, and we spent some time looking for a decent dance studio where she could take a class, but failed. All of the dance studios in our area offered either pole-dancing and belly-dancing at the same time as the kiddy classes, so that my daughter would see all of the hussies as she came and went, or were hyper-competitive and demanded a time commitment that we felt was inappropriate at her age. Instead, we are looking into the soft version of Wushu (kung fu for princesses), with ribbons and pretty traditional Chinese music.
    , @Thulean Friend

    And yes, dancing is inherently sexual
     
    Strongly disagree. Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right. Dancing can take many forms. When I visited Turkey, one of the most memorable scenes I saw was a spontaneous outburst of dancing on one of the passanger boats travelling to an island chain outside Istanbul. It started among mostly men but later women joined in. The vibe was respectable. No gyrations, no twerking. They weren't even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

    Dancing can be incredibly enriching and fun, and it doesn't need to be vulgar. Like any artform: it becomes what we choose to fill it with. If you aim for trash, you get trash.

    , @Anonymous

    Gyms don’t offer any dance classes that don’t reflect the (((popular culture)))
     
    I think "adult ballet" (i.e., ballet classes for non-professional novice adults) is a trendy thing; I've met women who do it. But different programs market to different demographics: the more high-toned forms of dancing (ballet, ballroom) will be enjoyed more by more affluent/educated women (those with successful careers, advance degrees etc), whereas the pole dancing/twerking will be more for proletarian lower-IQ types. Nothing new here; proles have always been more overtly sexual than the upper classes.
  102. @Thulean Friend
    So I am quite amused by this thread. On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say. Meanwhile:

    https://i.imgur.com/nTe0Z6k.jpg

    The point I'm making is that people who care about the social norms in any given society are the ones who will shape it. Trannies are being pushed today by the same people who started a lot of the negative social trends decades earlier. Fatalism/passive acceptance or ironybro posting is not an answer to any of this.

    There’s a whole interconnected government structure throughout the West (it’s not enough to just topple one of them, not even the strongest), judiciary (also interconnected in Europe at least), media, big tech, academia, and probably a few more I forgot to mention. The whole thing is stacked against us.

    Now, it’s not like some self-improvement advice is going to help. Nor some kind of movement, even copying our enemies won’t help. (They operated abusing the old elites’ sense of fairness. “I ask for mercy when you are stronger, because that is your principle. I don’t give mercy when I’m stronger, because that is my principle.”)

    We are at the point where we need our enemies to make major mistakes. I’m pretty sure that they will make mistakes. It’s just the nature of things that the strong always make mistakes. Nothing lasts forever. The only question is if their collapse will come before or after it’s too late demographically.

  103. @Thulean Friend
    So I am quite amused by this thread. On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say. Meanwhile:

    https://i.imgur.com/nTe0Z6k.jpg

    The point I'm making is that people who care about the social norms in any given society are the ones who will shape it. Trannies are being pushed today by the same people who started a lot of the negative social trends decades earlier. Fatalism/passive acceptance or ironybro posting is not an answer to any of this.

    On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say.

    Your constructive proposal on what needs to be done is?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Here’s my proposal:

    - do the personal self-improvement part. Many examples. Sports: if you are morbidly obese, go for walk every day. You can try pushups leaning on the wall. (Way easier, you should be able to do that.) Just start doing something. Stay longer outdoors. (Even reading a book is better outside.) Maybe cold showers. Reduce alcohol consumption if you drink a lot. Reduce or give up smoking. Reduce breathing volume, better breathing habits. (Yoga is great.) Etc. (Just start one small thing at first. Don’t overuse your willpower. It needs training, too.)
    - social self-improvement. Stand up for yourself and for others, at least whenever it’s possible. Don’t engage in depraved behavior. Be moral. If it’s impossible, at least don’t participate in the bad things. Criticize others for depravity. Etc.
    - possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview. Don’t engage in stupid infighting about minute details or slight differences in tactics. Etc.
    - be ready to punish the Enemy for its mistakes. But be prepared to wait patiently.

    There might be a few more points, it’s merely a rough idea.
    , @Thulean Friend
    Why not three?

    A) Stop excusing whorish behaviour or being indifferent to it. Even doing this first step is a step too far for many in this thread. Being an ironybro like reiner Tor isn't constructive either, it is just masked nihilism.

    B) Reject radical deracinated individualism and "fuck you, I got mine" attitudes. None of these issues will be solved by personal bravery. As I have repeatedly stressed in this thread, and which you apparently missed, is that we need social enforcement of different norms. The inescapable enabling factor of that requires collective action. Nobody is going to enforce anything on their own. That is why deracinated individualism has to be targeted, which is connected to liberal assumptions.

    C) Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds. I'm serious. What got us into this mess was ideas, not that those who wanted us harm could benchpress more at the gym. Reading is a criminally underrated activity and it needs to be elevated as a social status symbol.
    Try shaming someone today for not reading. They will look at you funny as if you're from another century. It has become normalised not to read and there is no social shame attached to it. People who are uneducated are easily manipulated. I don't give a shit about accusations of elitism. Non-readers need to be shamed. Of course, this doesn't excuse being a fattie or a sloth. But too many of self-improvement debates start and end at the physical realm or at best delve into social matters. Too little is about erudition. I like the slogan knowledge is power. It needs to become the center of the debate again.

    I've tried to follow the KISS principle. There are countless of things to be done, but there's something to be said about following a core set of basic principles to a T.

  104. @Thulean Friend
    So I am quite amused by this thread. On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say. Meanwhile:

    https://i.imgur.com/nTe0Z6k.jpg

    The point I'm making is that people who care about the social norms in any given society are the ones who will shape it. Trannies are being pushed today by the same people who started a lot of the negative social trends decades earlier. Fatalism/passive acceptance or ironybro posting is not an answer to any of this.

    ironybro

    Don’t be so square. You also did great parody with your jokes praising the synthetic “food.”

  105. @Anonymous
    This video was making the 4chan rounds a few years ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rba9Z0CcWwQ

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/"stipper-obics") is marketed as exercise (which I'm sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels "safe" (i.e., only other women around). And for every one internet moral crusader disgusted by this behavior there's about 1000 other guys who are turned on by it.

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/”stipper-obics”) is marketed as exercise (which I’m sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe”

    Riiiight.
    This behaviour being in “women’s nature”, you think women 30, 50, 100, 200 years ago would approve of it and join in the fun?

    It’s almost as if moral code, desired and acceptable behaviour are not dictated by women themselves… And that there is a concentrated push coming from certain circles and groups with the explicite goal of undermining European traditions and social norms.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Brutis
    These things go in cycles..
    , @Anonymous
    Societies have been more or less repressive of female sexuality at varying times. Prostitution, for example, was probably more tolerated in most European countries circa 1700 than it is in the US today. Whether men exerted more control over female behavior at other points in history...probably they did? Or maybe not. Our knowledge of social norms in past eras is sketchy and mostly confined to the upper classes. My guess is they were more repressive in some respects, less repressive in others.

    A young woman's sexuality is (mostly) an asset for her, and young women will realize this naturally, without any outside help. It is a weapon, and like any weapon the trick is to use it in the right place at the right time. Women have been trying to show off their sexualities in various ways since before man was man. We are animals: girl and boy are turned on by each other, they screw and make babies. Nothing complicated about it. No Jewish conspiracy required.
  106. Since everyone from melanf to Thulean Friend is posting pictures and videos of scantily dressed whores so shall I.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Since everyone from melanf to Thulean Friend is posting pictures and videos of scantily dressed whores so shall I.
     
    Whitey, never mind the black and tan hordes invading and overwhelming all of your homelands. What you really need to worry about is how women dress!
  107. Ironically it looks like the first Russian fast food chain to trial Beyond Meat will be the traditionalist Teremok chain

    Not ironic. Vegetable-based patties are a traditional Russian food, plus Teremok (being a traditionalist chain) features a Lent menu.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I’d eat vegetable based patties. But super-processed synthetic food?
  108. @Rosie

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.
     
    This is why I always say you disgusting manosphere creeps are the ugly mirror image of feminists, only worse. Feminists define men according to their behavior at their worst, ignoring all the good they do and are.

    Feminists are far more gracious to men, though. They condemn only learned toxic masculinity (like yours) rather than concoct bogus theories of men's innate wickedness.

    Apparently, criticising women engaging in degenerate, humiliating behaviour and reducing themselves to meat and holes is – toxic masculinity.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Apparently, criticising women engaging in degenerate, humiliating behaviour and reducing themselves to meat and holes is – toxic masculinity.
     
    You're free to criticize them all you want. Just don't lump me in with them. (I'm not saying you did that, but TheTotallyAnonymous certainly did.)

    Shall we judge ALL men based on how some act when they're partying with their bros? I'm sure that wouldn't be particularly flattering either.
  109. @Epigon

    On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say.
     
    Your constructive proposal on what needs to be done is?

    Here’s my proposal:

    – do the personal self-improvement part. Many examples. Sports: if you are morbidly obese, go for walk every day. You can try pushups leaning on the wall. (Way easier, you should be able to do that.) Just start doing something. Stay longer outdoors. (Even reading a book is better outside.) Maybe cold showers. Reduce alcohol consumption if you drink a lot. Reduce or give up smoking. Reduce breathing volume, better breathing habits. (Yoga is great.) Etc. (Just start one small thing at first. Don’t overuse your willpower. It needs training, too.)
    – social self-improvement. Stand up for yourself and for others, at least whenever it’s possible. Don’t engage in depraved behavior. Be moral. If it’s impossible, at least don’t participate in the bad things. Criticize others for depravity. Etc.
    – possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview. Don’t engage in stupid infighting about minute details or slight differences in tactics. Etc.
    – be ready to punish the Enemy for its mistakes. But be prepared to wait patiently.

    There might be a few more points, it’s merely a rough idea.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    It could be summed up - start acting like a tribe, looking out after tribal interests. Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family - meaning that even though your personal interests are at the top, trying to help or at least not harm others is mandatory.

    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers, egoism and hedonism combined with just core family living in a flat has had a very negative impact on children. I witness it everyday - they are neglected and raised by their surroundings and media/Internet.
    Which is naturally a disaster because the lowest common denominator in this age are stupid realities, celebrities, whoredom, shallow materialism and moral relativism.

    What you wrote is correct, but it is unrealistic - average people mostly lack the discipline, will and intelligence to do this on their own. What is needed is social pressure aimed at correcting and/or avoiding undesired behaviour - which is a difficult battle if the media is full of Hollywood and Globohomo propaganda.

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs - might become a necessity.

    , @peterAUS

    ....possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview.
     
    Do this VERY carefully. Be aware that, should you go that road, the game gets on the NEXT level.

    ...There might be a few more points..
     
    Learning how to defend yourself/people you care for. From situational awareness to court proceedings.
  110. @reiner Tor
    Here’s my proposal:

    - do the personal self-improvement part. Many examples. Sports: if you are morbidly obese, go for walk every day. You can try pushups leaning on the wall. (Way easier, you should be able to do that.) Just start doing something. Stay longer outdoors. (Even reading a book is better outside.) Maybe cold showers. Reduce alcohol consumption if you drink a lot. Reduce or give up smoking. Reduce breathing volume, better breathing habits. (Yoga is great.) Etc. (Just start one small thing at first. Don’t overuse your willpower. It needs training, too.)
    - social self-improvement. Stand up for yourself and for others, at least whenever it’s possible. Don’t engage in depraved behavior. Be moral. If it’s impossible, at least don’t participate in the bad things. Criticize others for depravity. Etc.
    - possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview. Don’t engage in stupid infighting about minute details or slight differences in tactics. Etc.
    - be ready to punish the Enemy for its mistakes. But be prepared to wait patiently.

    There might be a few more points, it’s merely a rough idea.

    It could be summed up – start acting like a tribe, looking out after tribal interests. Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family – meaning that even though your personal interests are at the top, trying to help or at least not harm others is mandatory.

    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers, egoism and hedonism combined with just core family living in a flat has had a very negative impact on children. I witness it everyday – they are neglected and raised by their surroundings and media/Internet.
    Which is naturally a disaster because the lowest common denominator in this age are stupid realities, celebrities, whoredom, shallow materialism and moral relativism.

    What you wrote is correct, but it is unrealistic – average people mostly lack the discipline, will and intelligence to do this on their own. What is needed is social pressure aimed at correcting and/or avoiding undesired behaviour – which is a difficult battle if the media is full of Hollywood and Globohomo propaganda.

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs – might become a necessity.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Since I used my LOL button on Rosie, I'll just state I would press the AGREE button if I could with your comments 107, 110 and obviously this one; 112.

    Also, I have bad news. The women in the Serb diaspora, at least from what I see, are quite degenerate and unrestrained by their men (not all, of course, and this is probably similar in Serbia but there the women are at least overwhelmingly kept within the tribe). This isn't because the men aren't capable of doing so, but it's more because they just go along with the naive illusions and beta male worshiping of women (more so from a vague sense of traditional obligation to "respect", respect in the genuine not meme sense, women to an unecessarily high level). In general though, a large amount of Serbs in the diaspora have quite a weak connection to their homeland. Most of them don't know the history of their people in depth and have not read serious Serb literature in detail, or they have not even really bothered at least to visit Serbia at all.

    It's partly because some of them are just Yugo-Communist Boomers who engage in failed parenting, struggles with money and inferior economic opportunity compared to certain others, the trauma and stress from the 1990's, contempt for Serbia from 2000-2012 (still ongoing for some) but also, of course, exposure to peak globohomo and the modern western "lifestyle". My impression is that compared to many other ethnic groups, Serbs are somewhat plastic with their culture and identity so they assimilate quite easily into their host countries. All in all, I would state that only around 20-40% of the Serb diaspora can truly be considered Serbian and capable of potentially repatriating back to their homeland in the right circumstances. Considering the total Serb diaspora outside the Balkans numbers around 2 million total, this would mean somewhere between a few hundred thousand (2-4 hundred thousand) and almost a million (7-9 hundred thousand) Serbs.


    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers
     
    Otherwise, would you care to explain what you mean by the meme careers?
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs...
     
    Sluttery has become evolutionarily adaptive in the past century, as it was before the rise of agriculture. Not going to get far with it.

    Alcoholism and drug addiction are minor problems.

    We are all weirdos here, so where to even start.

    Fat shaming is the only thing on this list where (1) you're not tilting against non-existing problems, (2) against your own interests, and (3) not coming off as a troglodyte.

    Problem is, they have a very strong lobby. Remember that Anglin was only kicked off the Internet when he made fun of that Heather woman.
    , @German_reader

    Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family
     
    Maybe that's possible for someone from the Balkans like yourself, but it's bizarre to frame it like that in Western Europe. When a large part of your "ethnicity" wants to see people like you socially destroyed for their views and openly states they prefer the most exotic foreigners, why treat such people as relatives?
  111. @Rosie

    There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe” (i.e., only other women around).
     
    Fact check: mostly true.

    Yes, we like to dance, ideally with other women. And yes, dancing is inherently sexual, but I don't think that proves there's no Jewish conspiracy. Gyms don't offer any dance classes that don't reflect the (((popular culture))).

    My daughter likes dancing, and we spent some time looking for a decent dance studio where she could take a class, but failed. All of the dance studios in our area offered either pole-dancing and belly-dancing at the same time as the kiddy classes, so that my daughter would see all of the hussies as she came and went, or were hyper-competitive and demanded a time commitment that we felt was inappropriate at her age. Instead, we are looking into the soft version of Wushu (kung fu for princesses), with ribbons and pretty traditional Chinese music.

    • Replies: @AP
    Did you try rhythmic gymnastics? We did that for one of the kids. The instructor was from Russia, as were most of the kids' parents.
    , @Dmitry
    Well at least, they did not have pole dancing class for children in your gym...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMkc450rFKQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA6hpbuqnw
  112. @Rosie

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.
     
    This is why I always say you disgusting manosphere creeps are the ugly mirror image of feminists, only worse. Feminists define men according to their behavior at their worst, ignoring all the good they do and are.

    Feminists are far more gracious to men, though. They condemn only learned toxic masculinity (like yours) rather than concoct bogus theories of men's innate wickedness.

    toxic masculinity

    Telling women to raise kids and form families is now “toxic masculinity”??

    Are you mad??

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Telling women to raise kids and form families is now “toxic masculinity”??
     
    http://www.scientificskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/StrawMan2.jpg
  113. @anonymous coward

    Ironically it looks like the first Russian fast food chain to trial Beyond Meat will be the traditionalist Teremok chain
     
    Not ironic. Vegetable-based patties are a traditional Russian food, plus Teremok (being a traditionalist chain) features a Lent menu.

    I’d eat vegetable based patties. But super-processed synthetic food?

  114. @Rosie

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.
     
    This is why I always say you disgusting manosphere creeps are the ugly mirror image of feminists, only worse. Feminists define men according to their behavior at their worst, ignoring all the good they do and are.

    Feminists are far more gracious to men, though. They condemn only learned toxic masculinity (like yours) rather than concoct bogus theories of men's innate wickedness.

    Honestly, I replied to you with a LOL because your Feminist svidomy (not sure if there could be a better phrase than that) is genuinely amusing. Of course, it’s also not worth arguing with silly and shallow women, which is basically what 99.9% of all women are currently as a result of their surroundings and programming.

    I’ve already wasted more than enough time on that with you and I have absolutely no reason to doubt that I am a superior form of life to you anyway (which is quite natural as on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on).

    • LOL: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on
     
    Probably true to an extent, but without women, men would be nothing.
    , @Rosie

    I have absolutely no reason to doubt that I am a superior form of life to you anyway
     
    Plato was right. Anyone who claims to be a "superior life form" is certainly an inferior one.
  115. @anonymous coward

    toxic masculinity
     
    Telling women to raise kids and form families is now "toxic masculinity"??

    Are you mad??

    Telling women to raise kids and form families is now “toxic masculinity”??

  116. @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Honestly, I replied to you with a LOL because your Feminist svidomy (not sure if there could be a better phrase than that) is genuinely amusing. Of course, it's also not worth arguing with silly and shallow women, which is basically what 99.9% of all women are currently as a result of their surroundings and programming.

    I've already wasted more than enough time on that with you and I have absolutely no reason to doubt that I am a superior form of life to you anyway (which is quite natural as on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on).

    on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on

    Probably true to an extent, but without women, men would be nothing.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Probably true to an extent, but without women, men would be nothing.

     

    Men would only be nothing without women in the sense that more men could not come into this world. Otherwise, all the current men who have already been born could easily survive by themselves up to their final years without women. The problem is that women are necessary to make children. Therefore, gearing their behavior towards making babies and caring for them as they grow up is of a very high importance.
  117. @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Honestly, I replied to you with a LOL because your Feminist svidomy (not sure if there could be a better phrase than that) is genuinely amusing. Of course, it's also not worth arguing with silly and shallow women, which is basically what 99.9% of all women are currently as a result of their surroundings and programming.

    I've already wasted more than enough time on that with you and I have absolutely no reason to doubt that I am a superior form of life to you anyway (which is quite natural as on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on).

    I have absolutely no reason to doubt that I am a superior form of life to you anyway

    Plato was right. Anyone who claims to be a “superior life form” is certainly an inferior one.

  118. @Epigon
    Apparently, criticising women engaging in degenerate, humiliating behaviour and reducing themselves to meat and holes is - toxic masculinity.

    Apparently, criticising women engaging in degenerate, humiliating behaviour and reducing themselves to meat and holes is – toxic masculinity.

    You’re free to criticize them all you want. Just don’t lump me in with them. (I’m not saying you did that, but TheTotallyAnonymous certainly did.)

    Shall we judge ALL men based on how some act when they’re partying with their bros? I’m sure that wouldn’t be particularly flattering either.

  119. @Rosie

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.
     
    This is why I always say you disgusting manosphere creeps are the ugly mirror image of feminists, only worse. Feminists define men according to their behavior at their worst, ignoring all the good they do and are.

    Feminists are far more gracious to men, though. They condemn only learned toxic masculinity (like yours) rather than concoct bogus theories of men's innate wickedness.

    Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.
     
    Switch the genders around and you have articulated the rationale for radical feminism, in short.
  120. @Epigon

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/”stipper-obics”) is marketed as exercise (which I’m sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe”
     
    Riiiight.
    This behaviour being in "women's nature", you think women 30, 50, 100, 200 years ago would approve of it and join in the fun?


    It's almost as if moral code, desired and acceptable behaviour are not dictated by women themselves... And that there is a concentrated push coming from certain circles and groups with the explicite goal of undermining European traditions and social norms.

    These things go in cycles..

  121. @Kent Nationalist
    Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.

    Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.

    Switch the genders around and you have articulated the rationale for radical feminism, in short.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    Are you mentally impaired?

    Your line of thought would only make sense if feminism is a reaction to Sharia, basketball Americans, male degeneracy.

    It isn't, it is against traiditional society and family, and mobilised women for labour market, transforming them into drones and consumers.

    , @Kent Nationalist
    Neither liberal ('it's your body do what you want') nor radical ('become a lesbian') feminists give sensible advice about men though. Both of those oppose giving women sensible, grandmotherly advice about how to behave with men.
  122. @Anonymoose
    Since everyone from melanf to Thulean Friend is posting pictures and videos of scantily dressed whores so shall I.

    https://i.imgur.com/p0Kj2jC.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/Uf8rECf.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/3yeOcdX.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/IOmZLYd.jpg

    https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/202553/85437022.jpg

    https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/202553/85437024.jpg

    Since everyone from melanf to Thulean Friend is posting pictures and videos of scantily dressed whores so shall I.

    Whitey, never mind the black and tan hordes invading and overwhelming all of your homelands. What you really need to worry about is how women dress!

  123. @Rosie

    Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.
     
    Switch the genders around and you have articulated the rationale for radical feminism, in short.

    Are you mentally impaired?

    Your line of thought would only make sense if feminism is a reaction to Sharia, basketball Americans, male degeneracy.

    It isn’t, it is against traiditional society and family, and mobilised women for labour market, transforming them into drones and consumers.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Your line of thought would only make sense if feminism is a reaction to Sharia, basketball Americans, male degeneracy.
     
    Feminism is certainly a reaction to male degeneracy, among other things, namely the tendency of some men to dump their wives in middle age.

    Our generation was told in no uncertain terms: "Do not depend on a man. Be prepared to take care of yourself." And who told us this? None other than Dear Old Dad himself.

    It is also a reaction to the dehumanizing attitudes you see often on this site, but are thankfully less common now.
    , @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Don't worry Epigon, Rosie isn't mentally impaired, she's just a woman.
  124. An interesting long-form interview with one of the Google whistleblowers. The guy in question became one of the chief engineers over at Youtube when he saw a drastic increase in censorship and ultimately paid for it with a high-paying career (200K USD salary). Respect where its due.

    https://www.spreaker.com/user/nyadagbladet/i-mote-med-zachary-vorhies?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=user%3A10134768&utm_term=episode_title

    Don’t be scared by the Swedish text. The interview is conducted in English.

  125. @Rosie

    There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe” (i.e., only other women around).
     
    Fact check: mostly true.

    Yes, we like to dance, ideally with other women. And yes, dancing is inherently sexual, but I don't think that proves there's no Jewish conspiracy. Gyms don't offer any dance classes that don't reflect the (((popular culture))).

    And yes, dancing is inherently sexual

    Strongly disagree. Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right. Dancing can take many forms. When I visited Turkey, one of the most memorable scenes I saw was a spontaneous outburst of dancing on one of the passanger boats travelling to an island chain outside Istanbul. It started among mostly men but later women joined in. The vibe was respectable. No gyrations, no twerking. They weren’t even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

    Dancing can be incredibly enriching and fun, and it doesn’t need to be vulgar. Like any artform: it becomes what we choose to fill it with. If you aim for trash, you get trash.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    They weren’t even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

     

    Spaniards do this all the time (although mostly to reggaeton rubbish); it's a med thing.
    , @Rosie

    Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right.
     
    Ballet seems "pure" to you now only because you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography.

    https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-sordid-truth-degass-ballet-dancers
    , @Dmitry

    Turkey, one of the most memorable
     
    What you describe, more of a memory of Arab/Middle Eastern tribal dancing (although in Islamic countries they will separate according to gender).

    A Middle Eastern culture shock of Israel, people are often randomly dancing in the street.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJoasj7czXM

    If you remember when Trump has visited Saudi Arabia they make him dance in the original way of tribal people of this region.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFOyCwCRTgw


    . Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime

     

    Ballet is trying to make human movement as unlike as possible to movement of the apes or the animals. So I agree it is apogee of a kind of sublimation.

    However, in terms of sexuality - in the 19th century, ballet was close to prostitution.

    Ballerinas that 19th century art (like Degas) has painted, are primarily attaining money as prostitutes or mistresses.

    https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc4NjgzNzc5NDA5NjMx/image-placeholder-title.jpg

  126. @melanf

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.
     
    If we are talking about the liberated behavior of different Schoolgirls, the African emigration has nothing to do with it. Girls tend to attract attention in any way, it is a genetic program.

    Here is ex-USSR where there are no blacks

    http://i.imgur.com/xKC1dWv.jpg

    https://negani.com/uploads/posts/2013-06/1372542445_4.jpg

    etc, etc

    There is nothing new in this

    https://img3.goodfon.ru/original/1024x768/d/a6/boilly-lyudi-igra-bilyard.jpg

    Or for example oficial portrait of Empress Elizabeth Petrovna

    https://icdn.lenta.ru/images/2019/08/23/18/20190823185134543/pic_521c2e603c89e1ce013d0916b95d4c6d.jpg

    the African emigration has nothing to do with it.

    True, blacks have zero real control of the mass media/entertainment outlets. Jews on the other hand have near total dominance of all mass pop culture, things like twerking became an acceptable societal norm because jews made it so.

  127. @Epigon
    Are you mentally impaired?

    Your line of thought would only make sense if feminism is a reaction to Sharia, basketball Americans, male degeneracy.

    It isn't, it is against traiditional society and family, and mobilised women for labour market, transforming them into drones and consumers.

    Your line of thought would only make sense if feminism is a reaction to Sharia, basketball Americans, male degeneracy.

    Feminism is certainly a reaction to male degeneracy, among other things, namely the tendency of some men to dump their wives in middle age.

    Our generation was told in no uncertain terms: “Do not depend on a man. Be prepared to take care of yourself.” And who told us this? None other than Dear Old Dad himself.

    It is also a reaction to the dehumanizing attitudes you see often on this site, but are thankfully less common now.

  128. @Rosie

    Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.
     
    Switch the genders around and you have articulated the rationale for radical feminism, in short.

    Neither liberal (‘it’s your body do what you want’) nor radical (‘become a lesbian’) feminists give sensible advice about men though. Both of those oppose giving women sensible, grandmotherly advice about how to behave with men.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Neither liberal (‘it’s your body do what you want’) nor radical (‘become a lesbian’) feminists give sensible advice about men though. Both of those oppose giving women sensible, grandmotherly advice about how to behave with men.
     
    Actually, many did and do. There is a strong anti-makeup and anti-fashion and pro-modesty streak in feminism. When I got tired of getting the wrong kind of attention from men, I gave all that up. It worked like a charm.

    In any event, the woman-haters don't give any useful advice about women. All they do is tell men to manipulate women. Of course, being Macchiavellian sometimes gets you what you want. Playing hard to get works at least as well on men as it does on women. That doesn't make it any less sociopathic.
  129. @Epigon
    It could be summed up - start acting like a tribe, looking out after tribal interests. Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family - meaning that even though your personal interests are at the top, trying to help or at least not harm others is mandatory.

    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers, egoism and hedonism combined with just core family living in a flat has had a very negative impact on children. I witness it everyday - they are neglected and raised by their surroundings and media/Internet.
    Which is naturally a disaster because the lowest common denominator in this age are stupid realities, celebrities, whoredom, shallow materialism and moral relativism.

    What you wrote is correct, but it is unrealistic - average people mostly lack the discipline, will and intelligence to do this on their own. What is needed is social pressure aimed at correcting and/or avoiding undesired behaviour - which is a difficult battle if the media is full of Hollywood and Globohomo propaganda.

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs - might become a necessity.

    Since I used my LOL button on Rosie, I’ll just state I would press the AGREE button if I could with your comments 107, 110 and obviously this one; 112.

    Also, I have bad news. The women in the Serb diaspora, at least from what I see, are quite degenerate and unrestrained by their men (not all, of course, and this is probably similar in Serbia but there the women are at least overwhelmingly kept within the tribe). This isn’t because the men aren’t capable of doing so, but it’s more because they just go along with the naive illusions and beta male worshiping of women (more so from a vague sense of traditional obligation to “respect”, respect in the genuine not meme sense, women to an unecessarily high level). In general though, a large amount of Serbs in the diaspora have quite a weak connection to their homeland. Most of them don’t know the history of their people in depth and have not read serious Serb literature in detail, or they have not even really bothered at least to visit Serbia at all.

    It’s partly because some of them are just Yugo-Communist Boomers who engage in failed parenting, struggles with money and inferior economic opportunity compared to certain others, the trauma and stress from the 1990’s, contempt for Serbia from 2000-2012 (still ongoing for some) but also, of course, exposure to peak globohomo and the modern western “lifestyle”. My impression is that compared to many other ethnic groups, Serbs are somewhat plastic with their culture and identity so they assimilate quite easily into their host countries. All in all, I would state that only around 20-40% of the Serb diaspora can truly be considered Serbian and capable of potentially repatriating back to their homeland in the right circumstances. Considering the total Serb diaspora outside the Balkans numbers around 2 million total, this would mean somewhere between a few hundred thousand (2-4 hundred thousand) and almost a million (7-9 hundred thousand) Serbs.

    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers

    Otherwise, would you care to explain what you mean by the meme careers?

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    Your observations are perhaps fair on average, but I have encountered some positive counter-examples. In particular, I know a healthy and absolutely lovely Serbian church in a certain mid-sized German city. So at least some Serbs have managed to integrate into German society while at the same time maintaining their traditions, both spiritual and cultural.
    , @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Oh, and agree with comment 125 of yours as well, of course.
    , @Epigon
    Diaspora has already been written off - look up Serb military record in USA forces, for example.

    Even single digits repatriating is a welcome bonus - except in case of being an agent in employ of their adopted homeland.


    Regarding career, the very concept of career (academic, business) being the centrepiece of existence and the true meaning of life is a meme, pushed by corporatist, materialist West. Revelation that this is untrue often comes far too late.
  130. @Thulean Friend

    And yes, dancing is inherently sexual
     
    Strongly disagree. Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right. Dancing can take many forms. When I visited Turkey, one of the most memorable scenes I saw was a spontaneous outburst of dancing on one of the passanger boats travelling to an island chain outside Istanbul. It started among mostly men but later women joined in. The vibe was respectable. No gyrations, no twerking. They weren't even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

    Dancing can be incredibly enriching and fun, and it doesn't need to be vulgar. Like any artform: it becomes what we choose to fill it with. If you aim for trash, you get trash.

    They weren’t even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

    Spaniards do this all the time (although mostly to reggaeton rubbish); it’s a med thing.

  131. @Thulean Friend

    And yes, dancing is inherently sexual
     
    Strongly disagree. Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right. Dancing can take many forms. When I visited Turkey, one of the most memorable scenes I saw was a spontaneous outburst of dancing on one of the passanger boats travelling to an island chain outside Istanbul. It started among mostly men but later women joined in. The vibe was respectable. No gyrations, no twerking. They weren't even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

    Dancing can be incredibly enriching and fun, and it doesn't need to be vulgar. Like any artform: it becomes what we choose to fill it with. If you aim for trash, you get trash.

    Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right.

    Ballet seems “pure” to you now only because you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography.

    https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-sordid-truth-degass-ballet-dancers

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    I never said all Ballet is sophisticated or sensual. You can take any artform, including Ballet, and make it vulgar. That article, while interesting, dealt with the behind-the-stage dynamics. The fact that prostitution flourished does not surprise me. In ancient Greece, most actresses were doing prostitution as sidegigs, too. Does that take anything away from the magnificient dramas of Aeschylus, Sophocles or Euripides? Prostitution was rife in Shakespeare's London too. Does that diminish his works?

    We have to learn to seperate the lives of the people performing the art from the actual art. The article you linked contains some insights on this, as he rejects the dancers' sexual attempts at gaining favors by instead focusing on his obsessive pursuit of perfection and pure beauty. A true artist.


    Life was cruel to French ballet dancers, and they didn’t have it much easier at the hands of Degas himself. Although the artist was known to reject the advances of his models, his callousness manifested in other ways. To capture the physicality and discipline of the dancers, Degas demanded his models pose for hours at a time, enduring excruciating discomfort as they held their contorted positions. He wanted to capture his “little monkey girls,” as he called them, “cracking their joints” at the barre. “I have perhaps too often considered woman as an animal,” he once told the painter Pierre Georges Jeanniot in a moment of revealing honesty.

    Degas was undoubtedly a merciless, cantankerous man. He was a misogynist—peers seemed almost afraid of his antagonism towards women—an especially troubling reputation considering the already sexist norms of his society. Contemporary viewers now delight in the artist’s profoundly evocative hand and brilliant, textural applications of color. While it’s possible to admire Degas’s dancers from a formal standpoint, this narrow appreciation ignores the abuse these sorry girls suffered. A closer look at these works shows how the painter did indeed cut through the ballet’s kitschy artifice, uncovering a milieu of misery, hardship, and raw beauty.
     

    While he should have treated them better, let us not be naïve in that the women were innocent when they were seeking favors for sex.
    , @Mikel

    you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography
     
    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

    Perhaps due to his being a Swede, TF did not take offense but you might have gotten a different reaction.

    I any case, I really don't know what some guys here are on about. It's not that many women act slutty because we men "allow" them to. It's that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn't affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?
  132. @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Since I used my LOL button on Rosie, I'll just state I would press the AGREE button if I could with your comments 107, 110 and obviously this one; 112.

    Also, I have bad news. The women in the Serb diaspora, at least from what I see, are quite degenerate and unrestrained by their men (not all, of course, and this is probably similar in Serbia but there the women are at least overwhelmingly kept within the tribe). This isn't because the men aren't capable of doing so, but it's more because they just go along with the naive illusions and beta male worshiping of women (more so from a vague sense of traditional obligation to "respect", respect in the genuine not meme sense, women to an unecessarily high level). In general though, a large amount of Serbs in the diaspora have quite a weak connection to their homeland. Most of them don't know the history of their people in depth and have not read serious Serb literature in detail, or they have not even really bothered at least to visit Serbia at all.

    It's partly because some of them are just Yugo-Communist Boomers who engage in failed parenting, struggles with money and inferior economic opportunity compared to certain others, the trauma and stress from the 1990's, contempt for Serbia from 2000-2012 (still ongoing for some) but also, of course, exposure to peak globohomo and the modern western "lifestyle". My impression is that compared to many other ethnic groups, Serbs are somewhat plastic with their culture and identity so they assimilate quite easily into their host countries. All in all, I would state that only around 20-40% of the Serb diaspora can truly be considered Serbian and capable of potentially repatriating back to their homeland in the right circumstances. Considering the total Serb diaspora outside the Balkans numbers around 2 million total, this would mean somewhere between a few hundred thousand (2-4 hundred thousand) and almost a million (7-9 hundred thousand) Serbs.


    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers
     
    Otherwise, would you care to explain what you mean by the meme careers?

    Your observations are perhaps fair on average, but I have encountered some positive counter-examples. In particular, I know a healthy and absolutely lovely Serbian church in a certain mid-sized German city. So at least some Serbs have managed to integrate into German society while at the same time maintaining their traditions, both spiritual and cultural.

  133. @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Since I used my LOL button on Rosie, I'll just state I would press the AGREE button if I could with your comments 107, 110 and obviously this one; 112.

    Also, I have bad news. The women in the Serb diaspora, at least from what I see, are quite degenerate and unrestrained by their men (not all, of course, and this is probably similar in Serbia but there the women are at least overwhelmingly kept within the tribe). This isn't because the men aren't capable of doing so, but it's more because they just go along with the naive illusions and beta male worshiping of women (more so from a vague sense of traditional obligation to "respect", respect in the genuine not meme sense, women to an unecessarily high level). In general though, a large amount of Serbs in the diaspora have quite a weak connection to their homeland. Most of them don't know the history of their people in depth and have not read serious Serb literature in detail, or they have not even really bothered at least to visit Serbia at all.

    It's partly because some of them are just Yugo-Communist Boomers who engage in failed parenting, struggles with money and inferior economic opportunity compared to certain others, the trauma and stress from the 1990's, contempt for Serbia from 2000-2012 (still ongoing for some) but also, of course, exposure to peak globohomo and the modern western "lifestyle". My impression is that compared to many other ethnic groups, Serbs are somewhat plastic with their culture and identity so they assimilate quite easily into their host countries. All in all, I would state that only around 20-40% of the Serb diaspora can truly be considered Serbian and capable of potentially repatriating back to their homeland in the right circumstances. Considering the total Serb diaspora outside the Balkans numbers around 2 million total, this would mean somewhere between a few hundred thousand (2-4 hundred thousand) and almost a million (7-9 hundred thousand) Serbs.


    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers
     
    Otherwise, would you care to explain what you mean by the meme careers?

    Oh, and agree with comment 125 of yours as well, of course.

  134. @Kent Nationalist
    Neither liberal ('it's your body do what you want') nor radical ('become a lesbian') feminists give sensible advice about men though. Both of those oppose giving women sensible, grandmotherly advice about how to behave with men.

    Neither liberal (‘it’s your body do what you want’) nor radical (‘become a lesbian’) feminists give sensible advice about men though. Both of those oppose giving women sensible, grandmotherly advice about how to behave with men.

    Actually, many did and do. There is a strong anti-makeup and anti-fashion and pro-modesty streak in feminism. When I got tired of getting the wrong kind of attention from men, I gave all that up. It worked like a charm.

    In any event, the woman-haters don’t give any useful advice about women. All they do is tell men to manipulate women. Of course, being Macchiavellian sometimes gets you what you want. Playing hard to get works at least as well on men as it does on women. That doesn’t make it any less sociopathic.

  135. @Epigon

    On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say.
     
    Your constructive proposal on what needs to be done is?

    Why not three?

    A) Stop excusing whorish behaviour or being indifferent to it. Even doing this first step is a step too far for many in this thread. Being an ironybro like reiner Tor isn’t constructive either, it is just masked nihilism.

    B) Reject radical deracinated individualism and “fuck you, I got mine” attitudes. None of these issues will be solved by personal bravery. As I have repeatedly stressed in this thread, and which you apparently missed, is that we need social enforcement of different norms. The inescapable enabling factor of that requires collective action. Nobody is going to enforce anything on their own. That is why deracinated individualism has to be targeted, which is connected to liberal assumptions.

    C) Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds. I’m serious. What got us into this mess was ideas, not that those who wanted us harm could benchpress more at the gym. Reading is a criminally underrated activity and it needs to be elevated as a social status symbol.
    Try shaming someone today for not reading. They will look at you funny as if you’re from another century. It has become normalised not to read and there is no social shame attached to it. People who are uneducated are easily manipulated. I don’t give a shit about accusations of elitism. Non-readers need to be shamed. Of course, this doesn’t excuse being a fattie or a sloth. But too many of self-improvement debates start and end at the physical realm or at best delve into social matters. Too little is about erudition. I like the slogan knowledge is power. It needs to become the center of the debate again.

    I’ve tried to follow the KISS principle. There are countless of things to be done, but there’s something to be said about following a core set of basic principles to a T.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds.
     
    That's fine and dandy, but

    - currently nerds are already valued in society (just not as sexual partners, for which what you call "gymbro" is a useful thing), in fact, many new billionaires are nerds (like Zuckerberg)
    - people commenting here are already nerds. No need to work on your strength, you need to work on your weaknesses.
    - physically decrepit people cannot have healthy thoughts, at least not on average. The soyboy meme has some basis in reality (even if some soyboys, like you are apparently, might have more or less solid views).

    , @reiner Tor
    By the way, most nerds in the 19th century were physically often on the level of moderately fit people today. There were simply no cars, elevators, rolling luggages, etc., people had to be in a reasonably good shape (and people actually doing physical work were very strong by today's standards), even if they spent most of their days reading and writing books and letters and other documents.
    , @Epigon
    The only KISS principle - Kill Islamists, Sluts and Sodomites.
    Sweden RIP.


    Jokes aside, I was genuinely interested in your ideas, opinions and they seem to be generally similar to mine.
    Personal as well as collective efforts are needed.

  136. @Rosie

    Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right.
     
    Ballet seems "pure" to you now only because you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography.

    https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-sordid-truth-degass-ballet-dancers

    I never said all Ballet is sophisticated or sensual. You can take any artform, including Ballet, and make it vulgar. That article, while interesting, dealt with the behind-the-stage dynamics. The fact that prostitution flourished does not surprise me. In ancient Greece, most actresses were doing prostitution as sidegigs, too. Does that take anything away from the magnificient dramas of Aeschylus, Sophocles or Euripides? Prostitution was rife in Shakespeare’s London too. Does that diminish his works?

    We have to learn to seperate the lives of the people performing the art from the actual art. The article you linked contains some insights on this, as he rejects the dancers’ sexual attempts at gaining favors by instead focusing on his obsessive pursuit of perfection and pure beauty. A true artist.

    Life was cruel to French ballet dancers, and they didn’t have it much easier at the hands of Degas himself. Although the artist was known to reject the advances of his models, his callousness manifested in other ways. To capture the physicality and discipline of the dancers, Degas demanded his models pose for hours at a time, enduring excruciating discomfort as they held their contorted positions. He wanted to capture his “little monkey girls,” as he called them, “cracking their joints” at the barre. “I have perhaps too often considered woman as an animal,” he once told the painter Pierre Georges Jeanniot in a moment of revealing honesty.

    Degas was undoubtedly a merciless, cantankerous man. He was a misogynist—peers seemed almost afraid of his antagonism towards women—an especially troubling reputation considering the already sexist norms of his society. Contemporary viewers now delight in the artist’s profoundly evocative hand and brilliant, textural applications of color. While it’s possible to admire Degas’s dancers from a formal standpoint, this narrow appreciation ignores the abuse these sorry girls suffered. A closer look at these works shows how the painter did indeed cut through the ballet’s kitschy artifice, uncovering a milieu of misery, hardship, and raw beauty.

    While he should have treated them better, let us not be naïve in that the women were innocent when they were seeking favors for sex.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    While he should have treated them better, let us not be naïve in that the women were innocent when they were seeking favors for sex.
     
    Typical. Force young girls into prostitution and then blame the victim.

    (FTR, I didn't mean to belittle ballet. I don't have a problem with the fact that dancing is sexual.)
  137. @Epigon
    Are you mentally impaired?

    Your line of thought would only make sense if feminism is a reaction to Sharia, basketball Americans, male degeneracy.

    It isn't, it is against traiditional society and family, and mobilised women for labour market, transforming them into drones and consumers.

    Don’t worry Epigon, Rosie isn’t mentally impaired, she’s just a woman.

  138. @reiner Tor

    on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on
     
    Probably true to an extent, but without women, men would be nothing.

    Probably true to an extent, but without women, men would be nothing.

    Men would only be nothing without women in the sense that more men could not come into this world. Otherwise, all the current men who have already been born could easily survive by themselves up to their final years without women. The problem is that women are necessary to make children. Therefore, gearing their behavior towards making babies and caring for them as they grow up is of a very high importance.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn't be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.
  139. @Thulean Friend
    Why not three?

    A) Stop excusing whorish behaviour or being indifferent to it. Even doing this first step is a step too far for many in this thread. Being an ironybro like reiner Tor isn't constructive either, it is just masked nihilism.

    B) Reject radical deracinated individualism and "fuck you, I got mine" attitudes. None of these issues will be solved by personal bravery. As I have repeatedly stressed in this thread, and which you apparently missed, is that we need social enforcement of different norms. The inescapable enabling factor of that requires collective action. Nobody is going to enforce anything on their own. That is why deracinated individualism has to be targeted, which is connected to liberal assumptions.

    C) Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds. I'm serious. What got us into this mess was ideas, not that those who wanted us harm could benchpress more at the gym. Reading is a criminally underrated activity and it needs to be elevated as a social status symbol.
    Try shaming someone today for not reading. They will look at you funny as if you're from another century. It has become normalised not to read and there is no social shame attached to it. People who are uneducated are easily manipulated. I don't give a shit about accusations of elitism. Non-readers need to be shamed. Of course, this doesn't excuse being a fattie or a sloth. But too many of self-improvement debates start and end at the physical realm or at best delve into social matters. Too little is about erudition. I like the slogan knowledge is power. It needs to become the center of the debate again.

    I've tried to follow the KISS principle. There are countless of things to be done, but there's something to be said about following a core set of basic principles to a T.

    Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds.

    That’s fine and dandy, but

    – currently nerds are already valued in society (just not as sexual partners, for which what you call “gymbro” is a useful thing), in fact, many new billionaires are nerds (like Zuckerberg)
    – people commenting here are already nerds. No need to work on your strength, you need to work on your weaknesses.
    – physically decrepit people cannot have healthy thoughts, at least not on average. The soyboy meme has some basis in reality (even if some soyboys, like you are apparently, might have more or less solid views).

  140. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Probably true to an extent, but without women, men would be nothing.

     

    Men would only be nothing without women in the sense that more men could not come into this world. Otherwise, all the current men who have already been born could easily survive by themselves up to their final years without women. The problem is that women are necessary to make children. Therefore, gearing their behavior towards making babies and caring for them as they grow up is of a very high importance.

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    This is correct. All of my motivation was originally external and aimed at impressing and attracting girls.

    Then I became a narcissist.

    , @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter.

     

    This is true, but it shouldn't be. It's depressing how beta most men are. Getting access to women shouldn't be the highest goal in life for men. Other things are much more important to sort out. Things like earning money, physical health, well-being of family, friends and so on should all come before access to women.

    In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

     

    Feelz.
    , @Kent Nationalist

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter.
     
    I think Tolstoy made the same observation in the Kreuzer Sonata
    , @peterAUS

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.
     
    Dumb.

    One of the best men I've met, true Alphas, real S.A.S. types, were unmarried men.
    Iron self-discipline, smart, decent jobs/careers, realistic look at the world. Self-reliant. Into adventure and combat sports, hunting, hiking etc.
    Hehe...you should walk a bit out of a big cosmopolitan area and see what kind of men live there.
  141. @Thulean Friend
    Why not three?

    A) Stop excusing whorish behaviour or being indifferent to it. Even doing this first step is a step too far for many in this thread. Being an ironybro like reiner Tor isn't constructive either, it is just masked nihilism.

    B) Reject radical deracinated individualism and "fuck you, I got mine" attitudes. None of these issues will be solved by personal bravery. As I have repeatedly stressed in this thread, and which you apparently missed, is that we need social enforcement of different norms. The inescapable enabling factor of that requires collective action. Nobody is going to enforce anything on their own. That is why deracinated individualism has to be targeted, which is connected to liberal assumptions.

    C) Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds. I'm serious. What got us into this mess was ideas, not that those who wanted us harm could benchpress more at the gym. Reading is a criminally underrated activity and it needs to be elevated as a social status symbol.
    Try shaming someone today for not reading. They will look at you funny as if you're from another century. It has become normalised not to read and there is no social shame attached to it. People who are uneducated are easily manipulated. I don't give a shit about accusations of elitism. Non-readers need to be shamed. Of course, this doesn't excuse being a fattie or a sloth. But too many of self-improvement debates start and end at the physical realm or at best delve into social matters. Too little is about erudition. I like the slogan knowledge is power. It needs to become the center of the debate again.

    I've tried to follow the KISS principle. There are countless of things to be done, but there's something to be said about following a core set of basic principles to a T.

    By the way, most nerds in the 19th century were physically often on the level of moderately fit people today. There were simply no cars, elevators, rolling luggages, etc., people had to be in a reasonably good shape (and people actually doing physical work were very strong by today’s standards), even if they spent most of their days reading and writing books and letters and other documents.

  142. @reiner Tor
    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn't be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    This is correct. All of my motivation was originally external and aimed at impressing and attracting girls.

    Then I became a narcissist.

  143. @Thulean Friend
    Why not three?

    A) Stop excusing whorish behaviour or being indifferent to it. Even doing this first step is a step too far for many in this thread. Being an ironybro like reiner Tor isn't constructive either, it is just masked nihilism.

    B) Reject radical deracinated individualism and "fuck you, I got mine" attitudes. None of these issues will be solved by personal bravery. As I have repeatedly stressed in this thread, and which you apparently missed, is that we need social enforcement of different norms. The inescapable enabling factor of that requires collective action. Nobody is going to enforce anything on their own. That is why deracinated individualism has to be targeted, which is connected to liberal assumptions.

    C) Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds. I'm serious. What got us into this mess was ideas, not that those who wanted us harm could benchpress more at the gym. Reading is a criminally underrated activity and it needs to be elevated as a social status symbol.
    Try shaming someone today for not reading. They will look at you funny as if you're from another century. It has become normalised not to read and there is no social shame attached to it. People who are uneducated are easily manipulated. I don't give a shit about accusations of elitism. Non-readers need to be shamed. Of course, this doesn't excuse being a fattie or a sloth. But too many of self-improvement debates start and end at the physical realm or at best delve into social matters. Too little is about erudition. I like the slogan knowledge is power. It needs to become the center of the debate again.

    I've tried to follow the KISS principle. There are countless of things to be done, but there's something to be said about following a core set of basic principles to a T.

    The only KISS principle – Kill Islamists, Sluts and Sodomites.
    Sweden RIP.

    Jokes aside, I was genuinely interested in your ideas, opinions and they seem to be generally similar to mine.
    Personal as well as collective efforts are needed.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
  144. @Anonymous
    Herman Kahn wrote a book about how nuclear war was winnable in 1960. It's not a new idea:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Thermonuclear_War

    I’m a supporter of self-imposed nuclear annihilation, this being the first I’d heard of it: http://exiledonline.com/feature-story-the-case-for-nuclear-winter/

  145. @TheTotallyAnonymous
    Since I used my LOL button on Rosie, I'll just state I would press the AGREE button if I could with your comments 107, 110 and obviously this one; 112.

    Also, I have bad news. The women in the Serb diaspora, at least from what I see, are quite degenerate and unrestrained by their men (not all, of course, and this is probably similar in Serbia but there the women are at least overwhelmingly kept within the tribe). This isn't because the men aren't capable of doing so, but it's more because they just go along with the naive illusions and beta male worshiping of women (more so from a vague sense of traditional obligation to "respect", respect in the genuine not meme sense, women to an unecessarily high level). In general though, a large amount of Serbs in the diaspora have quite a weak connection to their homeland. Most of them don't know the history of their people in depth and have not read serious Serb literature in detail, or they have not even really bothered at least to visit Serbia at all.

    It's partly because some of them are just Yugo-Communist Boomers who engage in failed parenting, struggles with money and inferior economic opportunity compared to certain others, the trauma and stress from the 1990's, contempt for Serbia from 2000-2012 (still ongoing for some) but also, of course, exposure to peak globohomo and the modern western "lifestyle". My impression is that compared to many other ethnic groups, Serbs are somewhat plastic with their culture and identity so they assimilate quite easily into their host countries. All in all, I would state that only around 20-40% of the Serb diaspora can truly be considered Serbian and capable of potentially repatriating back to their homeland in the right circumstances. Considering the total Serb diaspora outside the Balkans numbers around 2 million total, this would mean somewhere between a few hundred thousand (2-4 hundred thousand) and almost a million (7-9 hundred thousand) Serbs.


    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers
     
    Otherwise, would you care to explain what you mean by the meme careers?

    Diaspora has already been written off – look up Serb military record in USA forces, for example.

    Even single digits repatriating is a welcome bonus – except in case of being an agent in employ of their adopted homeland.

    Regarding career, the very concept of career (academic, business) being the centrepiece of existence and the true meaning of life is a meme, pushed by corporatist, materialist West. Revelation that this is untrue often comes far too late.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Diaspora has already been written off – look up Serb military record in USA forces, for example.

     

    LOL harsh. I still understand the reasoning though.

    Even single digits repatriating is a welcome bonus – except in case of being an agent in employ of their adopted homeland.

     

    Of course. I'm sure though that repatriation into the tens of thousands or even up to a few hundreds of thousands could be possible with serious effort (I actually listened to Vucic recently say that apparently 20 nurses were already repatriated to Novi Sad and that repatriating some Serbs to return from the diaspora would become a greater priority for him in the future). A few thousand Serbs could be repatriated quite easily, possible even completely organically with minimal effort. Don't underestimate the strengths of having a diaspora that is fond of its homeland and capable of genuinely helping it.

    For instance, I find that with Serbian charities for Serbs on Kosovo or just poor Serbs in general, the diaspora people are the largest source of donations, obviously. I don't know if you donate to any charities, but just take a look at the SrbizaSrbe (I checked that it was legit and not a scam of course) charity whose specialty is in helping lift Serb families from across the Balkans with many kids out of poverty, and you will see where the majority of donations come from. This charity is very good because it's name is by default based (Also read everything they write about their goals, purpose, etc), plus, they also claim that if they help enough many child Serb families out of poverty, in the future, they will start to subsidize young Serb women to have more kids (something the government should be doing, really).


    Regarding career, the very concept of career (academic, business) being the centrepiece of existence and the true meaning of life is a meme, pushed by corporatist, materialist West. Revelation that this is untrue often comes far too late.

     

    I couldn't agree more. It's cancerous how many of the people I know are infected with this mentality. I personally struggle to resist this pressure from my own family. I don't know what your opinion on finishing university to get a job is, or university in general, but I've became quite disillusioned and tired of it all even though I'm stuck in the middle of a degree (finance) I'm "expected" to finish (I've also begun to seriously slack off into an awkward state of life paralysis this year). If it were purely up to me, I would instantly quit just to commit to private business efforts because success in that sphere would be well worth it, but unfortunately that's not really an option. I personally can't stand the thought of having to work from 9am-5pm on some arbitrarily pre-assigned mundane garbage in an office cell while taking orders from some cuck. Hard work and effort is completely fine in my opinion, as long as it is placed towards things that are worthwhile. Anyway, I haven't been to Serbia and the Balkans for a long time (will go next year) and I'm not really sure what I'm going to do in the future but I need to seriously change something quickly if my future life is going to be pleasant ...
  146. AK, are you familiar with Vox Ukraine?

    AK: No.

  147. @reiner Tor
    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn't be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter.

    This is true, but it shouldn’t be. It’s depressing how beta most men are. Getting access to women shouldn’t be the highest goal in life for men. Other things are much more important to sort out. Things like earning money, physical health, well-being of family, friends and so on should all come before access to women.

    In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    Feelz.

    • Replies: @Brutis
    Thing is, and a black Nationalist commented on this:

    Three ways of proving manhood are

    Sex Violence Money

    The latter two are essentially closed off to most men.

    Even if you do Sof you're someone's bitch
    You won't be a millionaire with fuck you money

    If you can't pull in girls and have eccentric interests most of society will avoid you.

    This is doubly true in fake gay countries where the Borg rules and everyone is assimilated to the bug man lifestyle.

    Women are the centrepiece of society even if they're mostly narcissistic and retarded.

    Pussy feels good, but ultimately being able to have balls and secure a small fiefdom would get you it anyway.

    Instead everyone is cucked by the libtard state and the egregious thing is the elite are interested in little boys not hot cunt LOL!
  148. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter.

     

    This is true, but it shouldn't be. It's depressing how beta most men are. Getting access to women shouldn't be the highest goal in life for men. Other things are much more important to sort out. Things like earning money, physical health, well-being of family, friends and so on should all come before access to women.

    In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

     

    Feelz.

    Thing is, and a black Nationalist commented on this:

    Three ways of proving manhood are

    Sex Violence Money

    The latter two are essentially closed off to most men.

    Even if you do Sof you’re someone’s bitch
    You won’t be a millionaire with fuck you money

    If you can’t pull in girls and have eccentric interests most of society will avoid you.

    This is doubly true in fake gay countries where the Borg rules and everyone is assimilated to the bug man lifestyle.

    Women are the centrepiece of society even if they’re mostly narcissistic and retarded.

    Pussy feels good, but ultimately being able to have balls and secure a small fiefdom would get you it anyway.

    Instead everyone is cucked by the libtard state and the egregious thing is the elite are interested in little boys not hot cunt LOL!

  149. @reiner Tor
    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn't be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter.

    I think Tolstoy made the same observation in the Kreuzer Sonata

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    We shouldn’t forget that in his later years (after he wrote his best pieces) Tolstoy was a perfect example of “I am not opinionated, I am just always right”.
  150. @The Big Red Scary
    Recently, I went to a conference in Akademgorodok, a scientific suburb of Novosibirsk built in the late Khrushchev era. Hands down this is the nicest small Russian town I have seen. Clean, orderly, polite. Good food and coffee.

    Novosibirsk itself, while having a few nice streets, is in general rather shabby. Philip Philipovich Preobrazhensky was right. I do not love the proletariat. Intelligent, conscientious people have a duty to take up the burden of organizing society.

    Anyhow, after that visit, I finally got around to reading Spufford's Red Plenty, part of which is set in Akademgorodok. One plot point that stuck out, rather suspiciously, is when the geneticist studying mutations discovers two cohorts of people exhibiting an increased rate of mutation: a cohort growing up (or born?) during the Civil War and another growing up during Stalin's Terror. Notably she found no increased rate of mutation from the cohort who grew up during the Second World War. Supposedly these were the discoveries of the real-life model for this character, Raisa Berg, but I haven't pursued that yet.

    A few thoughts.

    First, it would certainly be interesting to look at genetic traces of major historical events. Does anyone know of other examples? In this content, I've only ever heard of fat content statistics, not mutation rates.

    Second, while it is not surprising that the Civil War left a mark on Russian DNA, I'm very skeptical that Stalin would have left a more noticeable mark than Hitler. Rough numbers from Google: 8 million dead in the civil war, 600,000 to 1.2 million dead from Stalin's Terror, and about 20 million dead during the German invasion. So Stalin's Terror, while no doubt miserable to live through, was incomparable in magnitude to both the Civil War and to the Second World War.

    So Stalin’s Terror, while no doubt miserable to live through, was incomparable in magnitude to both the Civil War and to the Second World War.

    Yes, but Stalin specifically targeted smart and conscientious hard-working people. Hitler’s victims were probably more evenly distributed.

    • Replies: @Epigon

    Stalin specifically targeted smart and conscientious hard-working people.
     
    Are you sure about this? This would be true for the last "kulaks" that were extinguished in the Great purge, but I wouldn't extend it to the rest.
  151. @AP

    So Stalin’s Terror, while no doubt miserable to live through, was incomparable in magnitude to both the Civil War and to the Second World War.
     
    Yes, but Stalin specifically targeted smart and conscientious hard-working people. Hitler's victims were probably more evenly distributed.

    Stalin specifically targeted smart and conscientious hard-working people.

    Are you sure about this? This would be true for the last “kulaks” that were extinguished in the Great purge, but I wouldn’t extend it to the rest.

    • Replies: @AP
    Yes, kulaks of course, but also engineers, scientists, better military officers, nobles who had survived the early 20’s terror, people who had done well during NEP.
  152. @The Big Red Scary
    My daughter likes dancing, and we spent some time looking for a decent dance studio where she could take a class, but failed. All of the dance studios in our area offered either pole-dancing and belly-dancing at the same time as the kiddy classes, so that my daughter would see all of the hussies as she came and went, or were hyper-competitive and demanded a time commitment that we felt was inappropriate at her age. Instead, we are looking into the soft version of Wushu (kung fu for princesses), with ribbons and pretty traditional Chinese music.

    Did you try rhythmic gymnastics? We did that for one of the kids. The instructor was from Russia, as were most of the kids’ parents.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I wonder if "ethnic" stuff in general might be a good fit here whether Russian, Chinese, Indian (bharatanatyam etc.) etc. . I don't know if TBRS is in Russia, US, or somewhere else.

    Rhythmic gymnastics, though I knew nothing about it until ten minutes ago, certainly seems at first glance somewhat healthier and less hackle-raising than "regular" ladies' gymnastics here in the US, and because it's a less popular form of gymnastics in this country it's probably also less competitively oriented.
  153. @Epigon
    Diaspora has already been written off - look up Serb military record in USA forces, for example.

    Even single digits repatriating is a welcome bonus - except in case of being an agent in employ of their adopted homeland.


    Regarding career, the very concept of career (academic, business) being the centrepiece of existence and the true meaning of life is a meme, pushed by corporatist, materialist West. Revelation that this is untrue often comes far too late.

    Diaspora has already been written off – look up Serb military record in USA forces, for example.

    LOL harsh. I still understand the reasoning though.

    Even single digits repatriating is a welcome bonus – except in case of being an agent in employ of their adopted homeland.

    Of course. I’m sure though that repatriation into the tens of thousands or even up to a few hundreds of thousands could be possible with serious effort (I actually listened to Vucic recently say that apparently 20 nurses were already repatriated to Novi Sad and that repatriating some Serbs to return from the diaspora would become a greater priority for him in the future). A few thousand Serbs could be repatriated quite easily, possible even completely organically with minimal effort. Don’t underestimate the strengths of having a diaspora that is fond of its homeland and capable of genuinely helping it.

    For instance, I find that with Serbian charities for Serbs on Kosovo or just poor Serbs in general, the diaspora people are the largest source of donations, obviously. I don’t know if you donate to any charities, but just take a look at the SrbizaSrbe (I checked that it was legit and not a scam of course) charity whose specialty is in helping lift Serb families from across the Balkans with many kids out of poverty, and you will see where the majority of donations come from. This charity is very good because it’s name is by default based (Also read everything they write about their goals, purpose, etc), plus, they also claim that if they help enough many child Serb families out of poverty, in the future, they will start to subsidize young Serb women to have more kids (something the government should be doing, really).

    Regarding career, the very concept of career (academic, business) being the centrepiece of existence and the true meaning of life is a meme, pushed by corporatist, materialist West. Revelation that this is untrue often comes far too late.

    I couldn’t agree more. It’s cancerous how many of the people I know are infected with this mentality. I personally struggle to resist this pressure from my own family. I don’t know what your opinion on finishing university to get a job is, or university in general, but I’ve became quite disillusioned and tired of it all even though I’m stuck in the middle of a degree (finance) I’m “expected” to finish (I’ve also begun to seriously slack off into an awkward state of life paralysis this year). If it were purely up to me, I would instantly quit just to commit to private business efforts because success in that sphere would be well worth it, but unfortunately that’s not really an option. I personally can’t stand the thought of having to work from 9am-5pm on some arbitrarily pre-assigned mundane garbage in an office cell while taking orders from some cuck. Hard work and effort is completely fine in my opinion, as long as it is placed towards things that are worthwhile. Anyway, I haven’t been to Serbia and the Balkans for a long time (will go next year) and I’m not really sure what I’m going to do in the future but I need to seriously change something quickly if my future life is going to be pleasant …

  154. @Thulean Friend
    I never said all Ballet is sophisticated or sensual. You can take any artform, including Ballet, and make it vulgar. That article, while interesting, dealt with the behind-the-stage dynamics. The fact that prostitution flourished does not surprise me. In ancient Greece, most actresses were doing prostitution as sidegigs, too. Does that take anything away from the magnificient dramas of Aeschylus, Sophocles or Euripides? Prostitution was rife in Shakespeare's London too. Does that diminish his works?

    We have to learn to seperate the lives of the people performing the art from the actual art. The article you linked contains some insights on this, as he rejects the dancers' sexual attempts at gaining favors by instead focusing on his obsessive pursuit of perfection and pure beauty. A true artist.


    Life was cruel to French ballet dancers, and they didn’t have it much easier at the hands of Degas himself. Although the artist was known to reject the advances of his models, his callousness manifested in other ways. To capture the physicality and discipline of the dancers, Degas demanded his models pose for hours at a time, enduring excruciating discomfort as they held their contorted positions. He wanted to capture his “little monkey girls,” as he called them, “cracking their joints” at the barre. “I have perhaps too often considered woman as an animal,” he once told the painter Pierre Georges Jeanniot in a moment of revealing honesty.

    Degas was undoubtedly a merciless, cantankerous man. He was a misogynist—peers seemed almost afraid of his antagonism towards women—an especially troubling reputation considering the already sexist norms of his society. Contemporary viewers now delight in the artist’s profoundly evocative hand and brilliant, textural applications of color. While it’s possible to admire Degas’s dancers from a formal standpoint, this narrow appreciation ignores the abuse these sorry girls suffered. A closer look at these works shows how the painter did indeed cut through the ballet’s kitschy artifice, uncovering a milieu of misery, hardship, and raw beauty.
     

    While he should have treated them better, let us not be naïve in that the women were innocent when they were seeking favors for sex.

    While he should have treated them better, let us not be naïve in that the women were innocent when they were seeking favors for sex.

    Typical. Force young girls into prostitution and then blame the victim.

    (FTR, I didn’t mean to belittle ballet. I don’t have a problem with the fact that dancing is sexual.)

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    I find it amusing that you seemingly share the same assumptions on women with the men you often detract; namely that women are not agents of their own actions and any sexual activities they engage in must necessarily be result of male coercion. If you fully internalise this mindset, then it means that women have to be protected from men. It also infantalises women, robbing them of autonomy.

    My view is that women are complicated being in their own sense, and are not automatically victims in all circumstances. It is perfectly possible for ballet dancers to try gaining an upper hand in their profession by trying to use sex as an instrument to further their own career. They evidently tried that with Degas and to his great credit, his artistic instincts were far too strong to let inferior dancers try to sway him with carnal desires and allow those unworthy of attention a better career path. Of course this doesn't fit squarely with your view of women as perpetual victims in all situations. In this regard you are quite similar to feminists.

    And dancing can be sexual, but is not inherently sexual. It depends what the dancers involved do.
  155. AK might be interested in this book?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-spies-review-the-peoples-secret-service-11568577232

    (have no idea how credible its claims are)

    Chinese Spies’ Review: The People’s Secret Service

    AK: Thanks, but too many other things to read.

    [MORE]

    In “Chinese Spies,” Roger Faligot traces the history of the modern Chinese secret service. It is a history of espionage, “first against the French and British in the Shanghai Concessions, then against Chiang Kai-shek ’s Kuomintang and spies from Japan.” It culminates with China’s efforts in waging modern cyber warfare and maintaining what the author argues is the largest—and probably the most assertive—intelligence service in the world. It all began, we are told, with the creation of the Central Committee Special Branch, in November 1927, under the control of Zhou Enlai.

    Mr. Faligot has been chronicling the activities of various intelligence agencies—a notoriously difficult subject to research—for almost 40 years. He estimates that at the height of the Cold War between 40% and 60% of Chinese diplomats were involved in intelligence, compared to 20% of their Russian counterparts. This in addition to the many Chinese students and business executives operating under what is known as “nonofficial cover.”

    China has since become one of the world’s major intelligence players, especially in the area of signals intelligence, by eagerly forging alliances with whichever country serves its purpose. At first this was the Soviet Union, which in the 1920s and ’30s helped train many of China’s operatives. Then it was the U.S. and West Germany, which during the Cold War assisted China in monitoring the Soviet Union. Now Beijing is again aligned with Moscow in their common efforts to spy on the U.S.

    According to Mr. Faligot, China’s intelligence services are focused on protecting the state, suppressing dissent within the state (internet users, for example, are required to register with the government), and involving itself in the domestic affairs of other countries. Each of the three services—state security (guoanbu), public security (gonganbu) and army intelligence (PLA2)—is appointed a technical director, who handles the daily operations, and a political commissar, who is responsible, we are told, “for ensuring that the organization’s ideological orientation conforms to the strategy decreed by the CCP.” Between them the three services ran—indeed, often owned—Beijing’s largest hotels, where all the public rooms and bedrooms were bugged. At the Beijing Hotel, for instance, “telephone ladies” were constantly on call, ready to translate whatever language was being intercepted.

    A major focus for the Chinese over the past 40 years has been economic espionage. In 1982 the Ministry of Foreign Economic Relations and Trade was set up to offer cover for spies abroad. Many of these agents were trained at a school specializing in industrial espionage. The Chinese were also an early adopter of cyber warfare, attacking Mitsubishi and Sony in 2005.

    Within his framework of an institutional history, Mr. Faligot relates a series of case histories. Among them is the story of Larry Wu-Tai Chin, a U.S. citizen of Chinese origin who worked for 30 years as a translator for the CIA. Chin also, until his retirement in 1981, supplied high-grade intelligence to the Chinese. Despite being stationed at CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., Chin mostly met his handlers in restaurants and clothing shops in Toronto. He also had as an escape contact a Catholic priest in New York. “In an emergency,” Chin was to go to Manhattan and meet this priest “in the confessional of his Transfiguration Church in Chinatown.”

    Originally published in French in 2008, “Chinese Spies” was translated into English, from the updated fourth edition, by Natasha Lehrer. The book includes details on the extent of the casualties inflicted during the Tiananmen Square massacre. Over the years, the casualty numbers have fluctuated from several hundred to several thousand. Mr. Faligot quotes a telegram dated June 5, 1989—one day after the military began to clear the square—sent from the British ambassador in China to the U.K. Foreign Office, already acknowledging a “minimum estimate of civilian dead 10,000.”

    There are also stories about the fate of the dissidents after the massacre, and of those who dared to help them. One French intelligence officer told the author the Chinese services responded “with no compunction” against certain members of the Western community who were involved in opposition politics. In Hong Kong, Mr. Faligot reports, the wives of the Swiss, American and Mexican consuls all fell from tall buildings under mysterious circumstances.

    One expert tells the author that Hua Guofeng, the nominal leader after Mao Zedong ’s death in 1976, was in fact Mao’s biological son, and that Hua’s “inexplicable promotion to the rank of security minister and president” was the result of a secret clause in the late leader’s will. Another journalist shares with Mr. Faligot fresh revelations about the 1999 “accidental” American bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade—now exposed as a joint command post with the Serbians.

    With increasing tensions in the trade war between America and China, concerns about the future of democracy in Hong Kong, and the controversy surrounding Huawei’s 5G mobile networks, “Chinese Spies” is a very timely and important book. Given the pace of recent events, I hope it is fully updated again soon.

  156. @Kent Nationalist
    Peak deracination

    We eat weird stuff if you think about it.

    What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.

    What is dairy? Secretion of certain reproductive glands, in various stages of decomposition.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.

    By contrast, that fake burger thing is merely a mixture of grains and legumes. Not clear why it would be any more disgusting than the things above.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    Eggs and tits are not reproductive organs.
    Grains and beans are.
    , @songbird

    What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.
     
    Technically, an egg is a giant single-cell, with half the DNA required to be a normal cell, which the chicken sloughs off as rent.

    Europeans actually bred chickens to lay more eggs because of the old strictures of Lent, as it used to be practiced. So, modern chickens, partly have a built-in purpose to lay eggs for people to eat.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.
     
    Only makes me hungry, thinking about it.
    , @reiner Tor
    Only milk is somewhat unnatural (we are probably not fully adapted to consuming it), meat and eggs are things many animals regularly consume.

    The synthetic meat is highly processed food.
  157. @inertial
    We eat weird stuff if you think about it.

    What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.

    What is dairy? Secretion of certain reproductive glands, in various stages of decomposition.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.

    By contrast, that fake burger thing is merely a mixture of grains and legumes. Not clear why it would be any more disgusting than the things above.

    Eggs and tits are not reproductive organs.
    Grains and beans are.

  158. @Thulean Friend
    You're trying to cover the issue in fatalism. And it is quite interesting that a lot of Russian men in this thread have defended these social norms where whoredom is celebrated/normalised, or at least put up their hands in resignation. A society's women act the way they are allowed to by their men. Feminists are not wrong in this, which is why they obsess over men's attitudes.

    There is nothing automatic about dressing like a hooker, and it doesn't serve anyone trying to pretend otherwise. If men show permissive attitudes, women will take the cue. It's that simple. This is a social choice made by the men in that society and not taking a stand against something is also taking an implicit stand in favor of it, by allowing it to happen.

    You’re trying to cover the issue in fatalism. And it is quite interesting that a lot of Russian men in this thread have defended these social norms where whoredom is celebrated/normalised

    These half-naked girls are just stupid (and in most cases ugly) girls trying to attract attention. If you make these girls wear long dresses, they won’t get any smarter. Again whoredom does not improve if this phenomenon is hidden under long clothes. Because of this, I do not understand why these half-naked girls should bother me? Rather, on the contrary such clothing is a marker of stupidity, so I know who to avoid.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward

    Again whoredom does not improve if this phenomenon is hidden under long clothes.
     
    Are you retarded? (Rhetorical question, don't answer that.)

    Regardless of what morally lax and/or criminal people think, stopping their ability to act out on their impulses should be society's paramount priority.
  159. @inertial
    We eat weird stuff if you think about it.

    What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.

    What is dairy? Secretion of certain reproductive glands, in various stages of decomposition.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.

    By contrast, that fake burger thing is merely a mixture of grains and legumes. Not clear why it would be any more disgusting than the things above.

    What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.

    Technically, an egg is a giant single-cell, with half the DNA required to be a normal cell, which the chicken sloughs off as rent.

    Europeans actually bred chickens to lay more eggs because of the old strictures of Lent, as it used to be practiced. So, modern chickens, partly have a built-in purpose to lay eggs for people to eat.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.

    Only makes me hungry, thinking about it.

  160. @Rosie

    While he should have treated them better, let us not be naïve in that the women were innocent when they were seeking favors for sex.
     
    Typical. Force young girls into prostitution and then blame the victim.

    (FTR, I didn't mean to belittle ballet. I don't have a problem with the fact that dancing is sexual.)

    I find it amusing that you seemingly share the same assumptions on women with the men you often detract; namely that women are not agents of their own actions and any sexual activities they engage in must necessarily be result of male coercion. If you fully internalise this mindset, then it means that women have to be protected from men. It also infantalises women, robbing them of autonomy.

    My view is that women are complicated being in their own sense, and are not automatically victims in all circumstances. It is perfectly possible for ballet dancers to try gaining an upper hand in their profession by trying to use sex as an instrument to further their own career. They evidently tried that with Degas and to his great credit, his artistic instincts were far too strong to let inferior dancers try to sway him with carnal desires and allow those unworthy of attention a better career path. Of course this doesn’t fit squarely with your view of women as perpetual victims in all situations. In this regard you are quite similar to feminists.

    And dancing can be sexual, but is not inherently sexual. It depends what the dancers involved do.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    I find it amusing that you seemingly share the same assumptions on women with the men you often detract; namely that women are not agents of their own actions and any sexual activities they engage in must necessarily be result of male coercion.
     
    I don't think it's necessarily a result of coercion, but rather desperation. When there are no minimum wage laws and no laws against sexual harrassment, you are going to get propositioned by lecherous old men with cash to spare, and you are most likely not going to feel at liberty to politely decline, especially if your whole family would be destitute without your income.

    It all depends on the balance of power between the two parties. If you want to be a prostitute, you can be a prostitute. If you want to be a ballet dancer, you can be a ballet dancer. You shouldn't have to be a prostitute to be a ballet dancer.


    And dancing can be sexual, but is not inherently sexual. It depends what the dancers involved do.
     
    I disagree. Certainly, sexuality can be expressed through dance in more or less vulgar and crass ways, but the sexual expression is there all the same.
  161. @inertial
    We eat weird stuff if you think about it.

    What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.

    What is dairy? Secretion of certain reproductive glands, in various stages of decomposition.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.

    By contrast, that fake burger thing is merely a mixture of grains and legumes. Not clear why it would be any more disgusting than the things above.

    Only milk is somewhat unnatural (we are probably not fully adapted to consuming it), meat and eggs are things many animals regularly consume.

    The synthetic meat is highly processed food.

    • Replies: @inertial
    I doubt it's any more processed than regular beef patties.

    And what's with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is "highly processed" (as well as "genetically modified.") This is especially true for meat.
  162. @Thulean Friend

    but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.
     
    And why would they need any direct social contract. I clicked on your link and found these two as recommendations:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW3fBHO76XA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL5zzIkrXMc

    These are talent shows with tens of millions of views with a huge upvote share. Russian society is sexually permissive and Russian men allow their women to act like glorified hookers on national TV. I'm not saying we are better, we clearly aren't, but in this regard Russia is not any different from the West. And my point is that this is not an automatic rule. I don't buy the whole "lol girls just wanna have fun" excuse. This kind of shit is promoted nonstop in the media. It didn't happen organically. More importantly, the men allow it to happen. You have even seen that kind of justification in this thread.

    The same kind of culture is beamed into other parts of the non-white world, but there men impose a social cost to acting like this. In Russia you can get on talent shows acting like a whore. This is a social choice by the men of their respective societies and let's not pretend otherwise.

    It’s not especially permissiveness, but just where there is higher safety for women, they (i.e. exhibitionist subsection of the female population, which is not necessarily a majority) can attract attention without danger.

    In Russia, overall crime is higher than Western Europe, but the attitude for women is a comfortable one as in Western Europe.

    For example, Armenian woman I have heard personally, (not just because of the recent story) that she is happy she grew up in Russia, because the attitude for women is frightening for her in Armenia.

    Or you can see in Japan, where personal safety is very high, how women behave similarly. (On the other hand, in India, the Middle East, of Africa, half of people would likely be raped with clothes like this – in Japan the probability of being raped is maybe lower than strikes by lightening).

  163. @melanf

    You’re trying to cover the issue in fatalism. And it is quite interesting that a lot of Russian men in this thread have defended these social norms where whoredom is celebrated/normalised
     
    These half-naked girls are just stupid (and in most cases ugly) girls trying to attract attention. If you make these girls wear long dresses, they won't get any smarter. Again whoredom does not improve if this phenomenon is hidden under long clothes. Because of this, I do not understand why these half-naked girls should bother me? Rather, on the contrary such clothing is a marker of stupidity, so I know who to avoid.

    Again whoredom does not improve if this phenomenon is hidden under long clothes.

    Are you retarded? (Rhetorical question, don’t answer that.)

    Regardless of what morally lax and/or criminal people think, stopping their ability to act out on their impulses should be society’s paramount priority.

  164. @Thulean Friend
    I find it amusing that you seemingly share the same assumptions on women with the men you often detract; namely that women are not agents of their own actions and any sexual activities they engage in must necessarily be result of male coercion. If you fully internalise this mindset, then it means that women have to be protected from men. It also infantalises women, robbing them of autonomy.

    My view is that women are complicated being in their own sense, and are not automatically victims in all circumstances. It is perfectly possible for ballet dancers to try gaining an upper hand in their profession by trying to use sex as an instrument to further their own career. They evidently tried that with Degas and to his great credit, his artistic instincts were far too strong to let inferior dancers try to sway him with carnal desires and allow those unworthy of attention a better career path. Of course this doesn't fit squarely with your view of women as perpetual victims in all situations. In this regard you are quite similar to feminists.

    And dancing can be sexual, but is not inherently sexual. It depends what the dancers involved do.

    I find it amusing that you seemingly share the same assumptions on women with the men you often detract; namely that women are not agents of their own actions and any sexual activities they engage in must necessarily be result of male coercion.

    I don’t think it’s necessarily a result of coercion, but rather desperation. When there are no minimum wage laws and no laws against sexual harrassment, you are going to get propositioned by lecherous old men with cash to spare, and you are most likely not going to feel at liberty to politely decline, especially if your whole family would be destitute without your income.

    It all depends on the balance of power between the two parties. If you want to be a prostitute, you can be a prostitute. If you want to be a ballet dancer, you can be a ballet dancer. You shouldn’t have to be a prostitute to be a ballet dancer.

    And dancing can be sexual, but is not inherently sexual. It depends what the dancers involved do.

    I disagree. Certainly, sexuality can be expressed through dance in more or less vulgar and crass ways, but the sexual expression is there all the same.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    TF, it occurs to me that men might underestimate the revulsion women feel at the prospect of selling our bodies. If I am not mistaken, only like 5% of women have ever done it. We would rather: scrub toilets, wait tables, wipe old people's behinds after they go to the bathroom, etc. Generally, only the utmost desperation will induce a woman to do this, generally drug addiction or siblings facing hunger or needing medical care they couldn't otherwise afford.

    So yes, the assumption that duress was involved is actually very much warranted.
  165. @The Big Red Scary
    My daughter likes dancing, and we spent some time looking for a decent dance studio where she could take a class, but failed. All of the dance studios in our area offered either pole-dancing and belly-dancing at the same time as the kiddy classes, so that my daughter would see all of the hussies as she came and went, or were hyper-competitive and demanded a time commitment that we felt was inappropriate at her age. Instead, we are looking into the soft version of Wushu (kung fu for princesses), with ribbons and pretty traditional Chinese music.

    Well at least, they did not have pole dancing class for children in your gym…

  166. @Rosie

    I find it amusing that you seemingly share the same assumptions on women with the men you often detract; namely that women are not agents of their own actions and any sexual activities they engage in must necessarily be result of male coercion.
     
    I don't think it's necessarily a result of coercion, but rather desperation. When there are no minimum wage laws and no laws against sexual harrassment, you are going to get propositioned by lecherous old men with cash to spare, and you are most likely not going to feel at liberty to politely decline, especially if your whole family would be destitute without your income.

    It all depends on the balance of power between the two parties. If you want to be a prostitute, you can be a prostitute. If you want to be a ballet dancer, you can be a ballet dancer. You shouldn't have to be a prostitute to be a ballet dancer.


    And dancing can be sexual, but is not inherently sexual. It depends what the dancers involved do.
     
    I disagree. Certainly, sexuality can be expressed through dance in more or less vulgar and crass ways, but the sexual expression is there all the same.

    TF, it occurs to me that men might underestimate the revulsion women feel at the prospect of selling our bodies. If I am not mistaken, only like 5% of women have ever done it. We would rather: scrub toilets, wait tables, wipe old people’s behinds after they go to the bathroom, etc. Generally, only the utmost desperation will induce a woman to do this, generally drug addiction or siblings facing hunger or needing medical care they couldn’t otherwise afford.

    So yes, the assumption that duress was involved is actually very much warranted.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    This is exaggerated, and of course it depends on the buyer and the amount in question. A woman might recoil at selling her body for $50, but for $5,000 she might feel differently. I doubt the hookers Charlie Sheen employed recoiled at the thought of having sex with him either, but the same hookers no doubt recoil at the thought of having sex with a homely, overweight, middle-aged nobody.

    Relatively few women become outright prostitutes, but a lot of women could be considered semi-pro hookers these days with things like Seeking Arrangement, Twitch streaming, Dubai girls, etc. There also appears to be no shortage of women stripping or working in pornography.

    More women would also be inclined to turn to outright prostitution if it were legal, safe, and guaranteed to be anonymous.

    The website Tag the Sponsor documents Dubai girls: http://tagthesponsor.com/home-page/
    , @Dmitry
    According to a history book I have read about Spain - in 1950s Spain, there were more than 500,000 prostitutes in a country of only 28 million people.
    , @Anonymous
    Women "selling their bodies" can encompass a wide spectrum of behavior and conditions though.

    At one end, it can involve dangerous "streetwalking" and operating in dirty brothels for very low pay and dealing with dangerous, unsanitary, disgusting conditions and customers. The vast majority of women will certainly recoil from this and only the most desperate women will pursue it.

    At the other end, you have high-end "modeling" and "escorting" where the women sell sex or have extended relationships with wealthier men for very high pay and in luxury accommodations such as luxury hotels and the residences of wealthy men. Certainly more women find this more tolerable than the aforementioned "streetwalking", although it's also the case that this option is open to fewer women.

    Also at the other end is not the formal transactional selling of sex, but women seeking relationships with men who are well off or at least economically secure.
  167. @Epigon

    Stalin specifically targeted smart and conscientious hard-working people.
     
    Are you sure about this? This would be true for the last "kulaks" that were extinguished in the Great purge, but I wouldn't extend it to the rest.

    Yes, kulaks of course, but also engineers, scientists, better military officers, nobles who had survived the early 20’s terror, people who had done well during NEP.

  168. @Rosie
    TF, it occurs to me that men might underestimate the revulsion women feel at the prospect of selling our bodies. If I am not mistaken, only like 5% of women have ever done it. We would rather: scrub toilets, wait tables, wipe old people's behinds after they go to the bathroom, etc. Generally, only the utmost desperation will induce a woman to do this, generally drug addiction or siblings facing hunger or needing medical care they couldn't otherwise afford.

    So yes, the assumption that duress was involved is actually very much warranted.

    This is exaggerated, and of course it depends on the buyer and the amount in question. A woman might recoil at selling her body for $50, but for $5,000 she might feel differently. I doubt the hookers Charlie Sheen employed recoiled at the thought of having sex with him either, but the same hookers no doubt recoil at the thought of having sex with a homely, overweight, middle-aged nobody.

    Relatively few women become outright prostitutes, but a lot of women could be considered semi-pro hookers these days with things like Seeking Arrangement, Twitch streaming, Dubai girls, etc. There also appears to be no shortage of women stripping or working in pornography.

    More women would also be inclined to turn to outright prostitution if it were legal, safe, and guaranteed to be anonymous.

    The website Tag the Sponsor documents Dubai girls: http://tagthesponsor.com/home-page/

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Relatively few women become outright prostitutes, but a lot of women could be considered semi-pro hookers these days with things like Seeking Arrangement, Twitch streaming, Dubai girls, etc.
     
    Even those women represent a very small minority, but whatever you need to tell yourself.
  169. @Thulean Friend

    And yes, dancing is inherently sexual
     
    Strongly disagree. Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right. Dancing can take many forms. When I visited Turkey, one of the most memorable scenes I saw was a spontaneous outburst of dancing on one of the passanger boats travelling to an island chain outside Istanbul. It started among mostly men but later women joined in. The vibe was respectable. No gyrations, no twerking. They weren't even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

    Dancing can be incredibly enriching and fun, and it doesn't need to be vulgar. Like any artform: it becomes what we choose to fill it with. If you aim for trash, you get trash.

    Turkey, one of the most memorable

    What you describe, more of a memory of Arab/Middle Eastern tribal dancing (although in Islamic countries they will separate according to gender).

    A Middle Eastern culture shock of Israel, people are often randomly dancing in the street.

    If you remember when Trump has visited Saudi Arabia they make him dance in the original way of tribal people of this region.

    . Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime

    Ballet is trying to make human movement as unlike as possible to movement of the apes or the animals. So I agree it is apogee of a kind of sublimation.

    However, in terms of sexuality – in the 19th century, ballet was close to prostitution.

    Ballerinas that 19th century art (like Degas) has painted, are primarily attaining money as prostitutes or mistresses.

  170. @Rosie
    TF, it occurs to me that men might underestimate the revulsion women feel at the prospect of selling our bodies. If I am not mistaken, only like 5% of women have ever done it. We would rather: scrub toilets, wait tables, wipe old people's behinds after they go to the bathroom, etc. Generally, only the utmost desperation will induce a woman to do this, generally drug addiction or siblings facing hunger or needing medical care they couldn't otherwise afford.

    So yes, the assumption that duress was involved is actually very much warranted.

    According to a history book I have read about Spain – in 1950s Spain, there were more than 500,000 prostitutes in a country of only 28 million people.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    According to a history book I have read about Spain – in 1950s Spain, there were more than 500,000 prostitutes in a country of only 28 million people.
     
    I would surmise that economic distress of some sort was behind it if that is true.
  171. “Locked and loaded”. Will MBS order US to go to war with Iran?

  172. Has Yang ever mentioned automated weapons?

  173. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP
    Did you try rhythmic gymnastics? We did that for one of the kids. The instructor was from Russia, as were most of the kids' parents.

    I wonder if “ethnic” stuff in general might be a good fit here whether Russian, Chinese, Indian (bharatanatyam etc.) etc. . I don’t know if TBRS is in Russia, US, or somewhere else.

    Rhythmic gymnastics, though I knew nothing about it until ten minutes ago, certainly seems at first glance somewhat healthier and less hackle-raising than “regular” ladies’ gymnastics here in the US, and because it’s a less popular form of gymnastics in this country it’s probably also less competitively oriented.

  174. @Epigon
    It could be summed up - start acting like a tribe, looking out after tribal interests. Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family - meaning that even though your personal interests are at the top, trying to help or at least not harm others is mandatory.

    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers, egoism and hedonism combined with just core family living in a flat has had a very negative impact on children. I witness it everyday - they are neglected and raised by their surroundings and media/Internet.
    Which is naturally a disaster because the lowest common denominator in this age are stupid realities, celebrities, whoredom, shallow materialism and moral relativism.

    What you wrote is correct, but it is unrealistic - average people mostly lack the discipline, will and intelligence to do this on their own. What is needed is social pressure aimed at correcting and/or avoiding undesired behaviour - which is a difficult battle if the media is full of Hollywood and Globohomo propaganda.

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs - might become a necessity.

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs…

    Sluttery has become evolutionarily adaptive in the past century, as it was before the rise of agriculture. Not going to get far with it.

    Alcoholism and drug addiction are minor problems.

    We are all weirdos here, so where to even start.

    Fat shaming is the only thing on this list where (1) you’re not tilting against non-existing problems, (2) against your own interests, and (3) not coming off as a troglodyte.

    Problem is, they have a very strong lobby. Remember that Anglin was only kicked off the Internet when he made fun of that Heather woman.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Alcoholism has been a leading source of death for men in the FSU for decades, though things are now getting better. During the wild 90s it was apparently responsible for half of all deaths of Russians between 15 - 54.

    Drug addiction kills twice as many Americans annually as traffic fatalities.

    These are not minor problems. People are falling apart.

    Sluttery is evolutionarily adaptive today in that sluts get pregnant and resources to rear their bastards are provided by the state or the child support system. But it remains socially maladaptive. Sluts are shamed by other women, avoided by men with options, and single moms experience much more difficulty in finding decent partners. Step-fathers are also exponentially more likely to abuse children then actual fathers, and even adjusting for confounding factors children reared by single mothers experience all manner of worse life outcomes.

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn't be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It's especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.

    I would however suggest that within our own circles we police each other and promote virtuous behavior. This will make us both more effective and more attractive to others.
    , @Thulean Friend
    This post basically just confirms that AK is nothing more than a racist libertarian. How is being against alcoholism "against your interests"? Laughably silly.
  175. @Anatoly Karlin

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs...
     
    Sluttery has become evolutionarily adaptive in the past century, as it was before the rise of agriculture. Not going to get far with it.

    Alcoholism and drug addiction are minor problems.

    We are all weirdos here, so where to even start.

    Fat shaming is the only thing on this list where (1) you're not tilting against non-existing problems, (2) against your own interests, and (3) not coming off as a troglodyte.

    Problem is, they have a very strong lobby. Remember that Anglin was only kicked off the Internet when he made fun of that Heather woman.

    Alcoholism has been a leading source of death for men in the FSU for decades, though things are now getting better. During the wild 90s it was apparently responsible for half of all deaths of Russians between 15 – 54.

    Drug addiction kills twice as many Americans annually as traffic fatalities.

    These are not minor problems. People are falling apart.

    Sluttery is evolutionarily adaptive today in that sluts get pregnant and resources to rear their bastards are provided by the state or the child support system. But it remains socially maladaptive. Sluts are shamed by other women, avoided by men with options, and single moms experience much more difficulty in finding decent partners. Step-fathers are also exponentially more likely to abuse children then actual fathers, and even adjusting for confounding factors children reared by single mothers experience all manner of worse life outcomes.

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn’t be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It’s especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.

    I would however suggest that within our own circles we police each other and promote virtuous behavior. This will make us both more effective and more attractive to others.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    A third of middle-aged male deaths, but close enough. Much less of an issue now, not an issue in the West.

    The drugs that are an issue in the US are generally legal opioids. Not clear how to "shame" them. It's the state that needs to crack down on it, but Kushner has other priorities.

    Sluttery as in sleeping around with lots of people is probably a social bad, but people on this thread are reducing it to wearing risque/revealing clothing. In any case, "trads" have completely failed on the demographics question. In any case I am with BAP on the WQ, it is the only practical course today.

    https://twitter.com/bronzeagemantis/status/1136842733010599936
    , @Rosie

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn’t be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It’s especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.
     
    I don't like shaming. It's a crude and primitive method of social control. If "sluttery" is indeed socially harmful, then it should be a crime, with all the protections for the accused that entails: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the right to confront and cross-examine witnesses against you, a jury of your peers, etc.
  176. @reiner Tor
    Only milk is somewhat unnatural (we are probably not fully adapted to consuming it), meat and eggs are things many animals regularly consume.

    The synthetic meat is highly processed food.

    I doubt it’s any more processed than regular beef patties.

    And what’s with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is “highly processed” (as well as “genetically modified.”) This is especially true for meat.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson

    I doubt it’s any more processed than regular beef patties.
     

    Regular beef patties are just that--beef. The steer is slaughtered, skinned, and butchered. The patties are then ground and packaged. That's it.

    Meanwhile here's the ingredients list of a Beyond Meat patty:

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*_OANhrKC30LFEMiiO4GoqQ.jpeg

    Simply producing canola oil alone, even the expelled pressed variety, requires refining, filtering, bleaching, deodorizing, and steam distillation.

    And what’s with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is “highly processed” (as well as “genetically modified.”) This is especially true for meat.
     

    Humans, almost uniquely, have evolved to partially pre-digest food through processing techniques. Most traditionally chopping and cooking.

    Thus the use of the term "processed" to mean bad or unhealthy is misleading. Lately I've been seeing a shift to the term "ultra-processed", which is a bit better, but still misleading.

    A better term would be evolutionarily novel. Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity, degenerative disease, etc. So-called "vegetable oil", of which canola oil is one, is a prime culprit.

  177. @Kent Nationalist

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter.
     
    I think Tolstoy made the same observation in the Kreuzer Sonata

    We shouldn’t forget that in his later years (after he wrote his best pieces) Tolstoy was a perfect example of “I am not opinionated, I am just always right”.

  178. @inertial
    I doubt it's any more processed than regular beef patties.

    And what's with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is "highly processed" (as well as "genetically modified.") This is especially true for meat.

    I doubt it’s any more processed than regular beef patties.

    Regular beef patties are just that–beef. The steer is slaughtered, skinned, and butchered. The patties are then ground and packaged. That’s it.

    Meanwhile here’s the ingredients list of a Beyond Meat patty:

    Simply producing canola oil alone, even the expelled pressed variety, requires refining, filtering, bleaching, deodorizing, and steam distillation.

    And what’s with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is “highly processed” (as well as “genetically modified.”) This is especially true for meat.

    Humans, almost uniquely, have evolved to partially pre-digest food through processing techniques. Most traditionally chopping and cooking.

    Thus the use of the term “processed” to mean bad or unhealthy is misleading. Lately I’ve been seeing a shift to the term “ultra-processed”, which is a bit better, but still misleading.

    A better term would be evolutionarily novel. Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity, degenerative disease, etc. So-called “vegetable oil”, of which canola oil is one, is a prime culprit.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @songbird

    Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity
     
    If I recall, Jared Diamond thinks that the reason that whites are less susceptible to type II diabetes is recent evolution. Essentially, Europeans were exposed to a greater abundance of food due to their more developed trade networks and the Columbian exchange, plus the Industrial Revolution, and the earlier changes that preceded it. People with early onset type II diabetes tended not to reproduce very well, so it changed the gene frequencies significantly. At least in theory, the rest of the world will go through the same transition, though modern medicine might alter the process somewhat.

    It is interesting that Diamond could have a viewpoint like that - relatively short term evolution - and still hold crazy ideas about Papua New Guineans being Übermenschen. Though, I believe he technically isn't a globalist.
    , @inertial
    Food preparation in primitive societies could be quite elaborate, too.

    Evolutionary novel? Nah. It can't be that novel if we can digest it. Our body breaks down food into few very basic elements, which it then uses as building blocks to build itself or for energy. All proteins are broken down into few simple amino acids, all carbs into glucose, etc. Does it matter what structure food had before it got broken down? Highly unlikely. In any case, I haven't seen any definite proof of it, only feelz.
  179. @Thorfinnsson
    Alcoholism has been a leading source of death for men in the FSU for decades, though things are now getting better. During the wild 90s it was apparently responsible for half of all deaths of Russians between 15 - 54.

    Drug addiction kills twice as many Americans annually as traffic fatalities.

    These are not minor problems. People are falling apart.

    Sluttery is evolutionarily adaptive today in that sluts get pregnant and resources to rear their bastards are provided by the state or the child support system. But it remains socially maladaptive. Sluts are shamed by other women, avoided by men with options, and single moms experience much more difficulty in finding decent partners. Step-fathers are also exponentially more likely to abuse children then actual fathers, and even adjusting for confounding factors children reared by single mothers experience all manner of worse life outcomes.

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn't be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It's especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.

    I would however suggest that within our own circles we police each other and promote virtuous behavior. This will make us both more effective and more attractive to others.

    A third of middle-aged male deaths, but close enough. Much less of an issue now, not an issue in the West.

    The drugs that are an issue in the US are generally legal opioids. Not clear how to “shame” them. It’s the state that needs to crack down on it, but Kushner has other priorities.

    Sluttery as in sleeping around with lots of people is probably a social bad, but people on this thread are reducing it to wearing risque/revealing clothing. In any case, “trads” have completely failed on the demographics question. In any case I am with BAP on the WQ, it is the only practical course today.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Alcoholism isn't an issue in the West on the level of the former Soviet Union, but it's not a non-issue either. There's a hard core of heavy drinkers in most countries which make up a majority of alcohol sales:

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-08-two-thirds-alcohol-sales-heavy-drinkers.html

    https://www.medicaldaily.com/top-10-us-drinkers-are-behind-more-half-nations-alcohol-sales-what-does-it-take-be-top-10-305262


    In order to make it into America’s top 10 percent of drinkers, you have to consume an average of 74 alcoholic drinks per week or about 10 drinks per day. “This works out to a little more than four and a half 750-ml bottles of Jack Daniels, 18 bottles of wine, or three 24-can cases of beer a week” The Post reported.
     
    In addition to the obvious medical problems, alcoholism has other social costs in the form of crime, lost productivity, domestic abuse, and accidents. These days problem drinkers are also likely to dabble in other drugs, often with fatal consequences.


    After drinking vodka, Klyuev crushed two of the pills with a battery and snorted the powder with a rolled-up sticky note, according to testimony. He started drifting in and out of sleep. He couldn't stand up.

    He was found dead the next day, with fentanyl, alcohol and a substance associated with cocaine in his system.
     
    Ultimately, what kind of society do we want to create? What are the problems we're seeking to solve? There are millions upon millions of people worldwide who are suffering, abusing themselves and others, crying out in pain, and killing themselves.

    There's more to solving this problem that simply shaming people of course. But shame is a powerful social motivator, which is why websites publish police mugshots and extort cash payments from people to take them down.
    , @EldnahYm
    Is Bronze Age Pervert gay? I get a strong impression he is.
  180. @Anatoly Karlin
    A third of middle-aged male deaths, but close enough. Much less of an issue now, not an issue in the West.

    The drugs that are an issue in the US are generally legal opioids. Not clear how to "shame" them. It's the state that needs to crack down on it, but Kushner has other priorities.

    Sluttery as in sleeping around with lots of people is probably a social bad, but people on this thread are reducing it to wearing risque/revealing clothing. In any case, "trads" have completely failed on the demographics question. In any case I am with BAP on the WQ, it is the only practical course today.

    https://twitter.com/bronzeagemantis/status/1136842733010599936

    Alcoholism isn’t an issue in the West on the level of the former Soviet Union, but it’s not a non-issue either. There’s a hard core of heavy drinkers in most countries which make up a majority of alcohol sales:

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-08-two-thirds-alcohol-sales-heavy-drinkers.html

    https://www.medicaldaily.com/top-10-us-drinkers-are-behind-more-half-nations-alcohol-sales-what-does-it-take-be-top-10-305262

    In order to make it into America’s top 10 percent of drinkers, you have to consume an average of 74 alcoholic drinks per week or about 10 drinks per day. “This works out to a little more than four and a half 750-ml bottles of Jack Daniels, 18 bottles of wine, or three 24-can cases of beer a week” The Post reported.

    In addition to the obvious medical problems, alcoholism has other social costs in the form of crime, lost productivity, domestic abuse, and accidents. These days problem drinkers are also likely to dabble in other drugs, often with fatal consequences.

    After drinking vodka, Klyuev crushed two of the pills with a battery and snorted the powder with a rolled-up sticky note, according to testimony. He started drifting in and out of sleep. He couldn’t stand up.

    He was found dead the next day, with fentanyl, alcohol and a substance associated with cocaine in his system.

    Ultimately, what kind of society do we want to create? What are the problems we’re seeking to solve? There are millions upon millions of people worldwide who are suffering, abusing themselves and others, crying out in pain, and killing themselves.

    There’s more to solving this problem that simply shaming people of course. But shame is a powerful social motivator, which is why websites publish police mugshots and extort cash payments from people to take them down.

    • Replies: @songbird
    Shaming is not very effective in a diverse society.

    Probably one of the main social problems of the West.
  181. @Thorfinnsson

    I doubt it’s any more processed than regular beef patties.
     

    Regular beef patties are just that--beef. The steer is slaughtered, skinned, and butchered. The patties are then ground and packaged. That's it.

    Meanwhile here's the ingredients list of a Beyond Meat patty:

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*_OANhrKC30LFEMiiO4GoqQ.jpeg

    Simply producing canola oil alone, even the expelled pressed variety, requires refining, filtering, bleaching, deodorizing, and steam distillation.

    And what’s with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is “highly processed” (as well as “genetically modified.”) This is especially true for meat.
     

    Humans, almost uniquely, have evolved to partially pre-digest food through processing techniques. Most traditionally chopping and cooking.

    Thus the use of the term "processed" to mean bad or unhealthy is misleading. Lately I've been seeing a shift to the term "ultra-processed", which is a bit better, but still misleading.

    A better term would be evolutionarily novel. Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity, degenerative disease, etc. So-called "vegetable oil", of which canola oil is one, is a prime culprit.

    Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity

    If I recall, Jared Diamond thinks that the reason that whites are less susceptible to type II diabetes is recent evolution. Essentially, Europeans were exposed to a greater abundance of food due to their more developed trade networks and the Columbian exchange, plus the Industrial Revolution, and the earlier changes that preceded it. People with early onset type II diabetes tended not to reproduce very well, so it changed the gene frequencies significantly. At least in theory, the rest of the world will go through the same transition, though modern medicine might alter the process somewhat.

    It is interesting that Diamond could have a viewpoint like that – relatively short term evolution – and still hold crazy ideas about Papua New Guineans being Übermenschen. Though, I believe he technically isn’t a globalist.

    • Replies: @Logan
    . Essentially, Europeans were exposed to a greater abundance of food due to their more developed trade networks and the Columbian exchange, plus the Industrial Revolution, and the earlier changes that preceded it.

    There were still frequent episodes of starvation up till the latter part of the 19th century in Europe.

    That's really rapid evolution!
  182. @Thorfinnsson
    Alcoholism isn't an issue in the West on the level of the former Soviet Union, but it's not a non-issue either. There's a hard core of heavy drinkers in most countries which make up a majority of alcohol sales:

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-08-two-thirds-alcohol-sales-heavy-drinkers.html

    https://www.medicaldaily.com/top-10-us-drinkers-are-behind-more-half-nations-alcohol-sales-what-does-it-take-be-top-10-305262


    In order to make it into America’s top 10 percent of drinkers, you have to consume an average of 74 alcoholic drinks per week or about 10 drinks per day. “This works out to a little more than four and a half 750-ml bottles of Jack Daniels, 18 bottles of wine, or three 24-can cases of beer a week” The Post reported.
     
    In addition to the obvious medical problems, alcoholism has other social costs in the form of crime, lost productivity, domestic abuse, and accidents. These days problem drinkers are also likely to dabble in other drugs, often with fatal consequences.


    After drinking vodka, Klyuev crushed two of the pills with a battery and snorted the powder with a rolled-up sticky note, according to testimony. He started drifting in and out of sleep. He couldn't stand up.

    He was found dead the next day, with fentanyl, alcohol and a substance associated with cocaine in his system.
     
    Ultimately, what kind of society do we want to create? What are the problems we're seeking to solve? There are millions upon millions of people worldwide who are suffering, abusing themselves and others, crying out in pain, and killing themselves.

    There's more to solving this problem that simply shaming people of course. But shame is a powerful social motivator, which is why websites publish police mugshots and extort cash payments from people to take them down.

    Shaming is not very effective in a diverse society.

    Probably one of the main social problems of the West.

  183. I don’t understand why female behavior is discussed separately from male behavior. Every coin has two sides. When men behave like studs happy to screw as many as possible, sluts perfectly complement this behavior. Supply and demand always come into balance.

  184. @Epigon
    It could be summed up - start acting like a tribe, looking out after tribal interests. Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family - meaning that even though your personal interests are at the top, trying to help or at least not harm others is mandatory.

    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers, egoism and hedonism combined with just core family living in a flat has had a very negative impact on children. I witness it everyday - they are neglected and raised by their surroundings and media/Internet.
    Which is naturally a disaster because the lowest common denominator in this age are stupid realities, celebrities, whoredom, shallow materialism and moral relativism.

    What you wrote is correct, but it is unrealistic - average people mostly lack the discipline, will and intelligence to do this on their own. What is needed is social pressure aimed at correcting and/or avoiding undesired behaviour - which is a difficult battle if the media is full of Hollywood and Globohomo propaganda.

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs - might become a necessity.

    Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family

    Maybe that’s possible for someone from the Balkans like yourself, but it’s bizarre to frame it like that in Western Europe. When a large part of your “ethnicity” wants to see people like you socially destroyed for their views and openly states they prefer the most exotic foreigners, why treat such people as relatives?

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Perhaps you can treat them like you’d treat a brother who wants to give your inheritance to some strangers and sides with them against the family.
  185. @Thorfinnsson
    This is exaggerated, and of course it depends on the buyer and the amount in question. A woman might recoil at selling her body for $50, but for $5,000 she might feel differently. I doubt the hookers Charlie Sheen employed recoiled at the thought of having sex with him either, but the same hookers no doubt recoil at the thought of having sex with a homely, overweight, middle-aged nobody.

    Relatively few women become outright prostitutes, but a lot of women could be considered semi-pro hookers these days with things like Seeking Arrangement, Twitch streaming, Dubai girls, etc. There also appears to be no shortage of women stripping or working in pornography.

    More women would also be inclined to turn to outright prostitution if it were legal, safe, and guaranteed to be anonymous.

    The website Tag the Sponsor documents Dubai girls: http://tagthesponsor.com/home-page/

    Relatively few women become outright prostitutes, but a lot of women could be considered semi-pro hookers these days with things like Seeking Arrangement, Twitch streaming, Dubai girls, etc.

    Even those women represent a very small minority, but whatever you need to tell yourself.

  186. @Dmitry
    According to a history book I have read about Spain - in 1950s Spain, there were more than 500,000 prostitutes in a country of only 28 million people.

    According to a history book I have read about Spain – in 1950s Spain, there were more than 500,000 prostitutes in a country of only 28 million people.

    I would surmise that economic distress of some sort was behind it if that is true.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Combination of economic and political disasters.

    I have read much higher proportion of women in Spain had worked as a prostitute at some time moment in their life by the 1950s decade, when I read a history book of Spain which was written in Spanish.

    However, here is from one history book written in English.


    For all of its restrictions on social life and lifestyles, the Franco regime tolerated prostitution for many years. Ironically, the argument used to justify the maintenance of brothels was a moral one: to preserve the purity of honorable Spanish girls, their fiancées had to have a sexual outlet to avoid pressuring their prospective brides into compromising situations.

    Prostitution rose to epidemic proportions in the immediate postwar period, as widows, single mothers, and working-class women had few other options to avoid starvation for themselves and their families. By some estimates, as many as half a million families lacked a father or husband in the home, due to imprisonment, exile, or deaths during the civil war and the repression that followed. Indeed, the state estimated that more than 75 percent of women involved in prostitution engaged in the practice because of economic desperation, while another 15 percent had been abandoned by the fathers of their children and therefore lacked respectable alternatives. Only 10 percent were prostitutes because they preferred a life of “vice and degeneration” over more accepted alternatives.

    There were more than one thousand officially tolerated brothels in the 1940s, with thousands more sex workers operating outside of government supervision. One newspaper calculated that there were as many as twenty thousand prostitutes in Barcelona alone. As a result of this tolerance, sexually transmitted diseases increased to epidemic proportions, constituting more than one-third of illnesses recorded by soldiers in 1940. The church’s resistance to contraception, including condoms, likely contributed to the dramatic rise in these afflictions.

    Many of the prostitutes came to the profession because of their political background, or that of their husbands. Repression after 1939 was severe on men and women who had identified with the Republic, whether as members of leftist political parties, or even as spouses of activists in the Communist, anarchist, or Socialist parties. The regime banned many of these women from gainful employment, and as many were separated from their husbands through exile or imprisonment, they had few options other than black market activities or prostitution. The Nationalists already regarded feminist and pro-Republican women as “degenerate” and “ugly” for their public demonstrations for radical social change during the civil war and perhaps felt little pity after the conflict for those forced into this kind of tragic life... From the beginning of the postwar period, the Catholic Church supported a prohibition on prostitution, but only in the mid-1950s did the government ban the practice. The final decision came only after a visit by the U.S. cardinal, Francis Spellman, who convinced Franco in 1956 that such a ban would improve Spain’s international reputation.
     

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  187. @German_reader

    Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family
     
    Maybe that's possible for someone from the Balkans like yourself, but it's bizarre to frame it like that in Western Europe. When a large part of your "ethnicity" wants to see people like you socially destroyed for their views and openly states they prefer the most exotic foreigners, why treat such people as relatives?

    Perhaps you can treat them like you’d treat a brother who wants to give your inheritance to some strangers and sides with them against the family.

  188. @reiner Tor
    Here’s my proposal:

    - do the personal self-improvement part. Many examples. Sports: if you are morbidly obese, go for walk every day. You can try pushups leaning on the wall. (Way easier, you should be able to do that.) Just start doing something. Stay longer outdoors. (Even reading a book is better outside.) Maybe cold showers. Reduce alcohol consumption if you drink a lot. Reduce or give up smoking. Reduce breathing volume, better breathing habits. (Yoga is great.) Etc. (Just start one small thing at first. Don’t overuse your willpower. It needs training, too.)
    - social self-improvement. Stand up for yourself and for others, at least whenever it’s possible. Don’t engage in depraved behavior. Be moral. If it’s impossible, at least don’t participate in the bad things. Criticize others for depravity. Etc.
    - possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview. Don’t engage in stupid infighting about minute details or slight differences in tactics. Etc.
    - be ready to punish the Enemy for its mistakes. But be prepared to wait patiently.

    There might be a few more points, it’s merely a rough idea.

    ….possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview.

    Do this VERY carefully. Be aware that, should you go that road, the game gets on the NEXT level.

    …There might be a few more points..

    Learning how to defend yourself/people you care for. From situational awareness to court proceedings.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Be aware that, should you go that road, the game gets on the NEXT level.
     
    Oh, it's peterAUS again with his insinuations about getting weapons and preparing for the coming race war.
    Are you from some federal agency in the US?
  189. @Anatoly Karlin
    A third of middle-aged male deaths, but close enough. Much less of an issue now, not an issue in the West.

    The drugs that are an issue in the US are generally legal opioids. Not clear how to "shame" them. It's the state that needs to crack down on it, but Kushner has other priorities.

    Sluttery as in sleeping around with lots of people is probably a social bad, but people on this thread are reducing it to wearing risque/revealing clothing. In any case, "trads" have completely failed on the demographics question. In any case I am with BAP on the WQ, it is the only practical course today.

    https://twitter.com/bronzeagemantis/status/1136842733010599936

    Is Bronze Age Pervert gay? I get a strong impression he is.

    • Replies: @songbird
    Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger's parents thought he was gay for a time, when he first took an interest in body-building.
  190. @peterAUS

    ....possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview.
     
    Do this VERY carefully. Be aware that, should you go that road, the game gets on the NEXT level.

    ...There might be a few more points..
     
    Learning how to defend yourself/people you care for. From situational awareness to court proceedings.

    Be aware that, should you go that road, the game gets on the NEXT level.

    Oh, it’s peterAUS again with his insinuations about getting weapons and preparing for the coming race war.
    Are you from some federal agency in the US?

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Oh, it’s peterAUS again with his insinuations about getting weapons and preparing for the coming race war.
     
    Not exactly, but your types simply can't get what I try to say. Don't worry about it.

    Are you from some federal agency in the US?
     
    Whoever feels that "educating" and "voting" won't make much difference must be.
    It's O.K. to be soft and scared. For your types, that is.

    I suggest putting me on the ignore list.
    You just got on mine. Saves time.
  191. @EldnahYm
    Is Bronze Age Pervert gay? I get a strong impression he is.

    Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger’s parents thought he was gay for a time, when he first took an interest in body-building.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    I have known people into body building who were not gay. Their obsession with diet and muscles had a lot in common with nerds or guys who are into cars. Bronze Age Pervert does not strike me as that sort of guy at all.
    , @Kent Nationalist

    Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

     

    Then why are the pictures always of handsome men with low body fat flexing instead of actual feats of strength?
  192. @reiner Tor
    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn't be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    Dumb.

    One of the best men I’ve met, true Alphas, real S.A.S. types, were unmarried men.
    Iron self-discipline, smart, decent jobs/careers, realistic look at the world. Self-reliant. Into adventure and combat sports, hunting, hiking etc.
    Hehe…you should walk a bit out of a big cosmopolitan area and see what kind of men live there.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Were they gay? It’d be odd, since gay men are usually not interested in such activities. Only heterosexual men. It almost appears as if heterosexual guys might not be totally indifferent to the fact that chicks often dig independent special forces guys.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it? I’m not saying that was their proximate motivation, but the fact that gays are rarely into being special forces might suggest some connection between heterosexual proclivities (i.e. The Ladies) and motivation.
  193. @songbird
    Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger's parents thought he was gay for a time, when he first took an interest in body-building.

    I have known people into body building who were not gay. Their obsession with diet and muscles had a lot in common with nerds or guys who are into cars. Bronze Age Pervert does not strike me as that sort of guy at all.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    The phrase "Bronze Age pervert" is essentially UR-slang for "gay Jew", though it's probably not intended that way.
  194. @German_reader

    Be aware that, should you go that road, the game gets on the NEXT level.
     
    Oh, it's peterAUS again with his insinuations about getting weapons and preparing for the coming race war.
    Are you from some federal agency in the US?

    Oh, it’s peterAUS again with his insinuations about getting weapons and preparing for the coming race war.

    Not exactly, but your types simply can’t get what I try to say. Don’t worry about it.

    Are you from some federal agency in the US?

    Whoever feels that “educating” and “voting” won’t make much difference must be.
    It’s O.K. to be soft and scared. For your types, that is.

    I suggest putting me on the ignore list.
    You just got on mine. Saves time.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    It’s O.K. to be soft and scared. For your types, that is.
     
    That's not the point. The point is that anybody who seriously entertains such thoughts and writes about them on the internet (on a public site at that), is a fucking moron. Or has some other agenda.
  195. @peterAUS

    Oh, it’s peterAUS again with his insinuations about getting weapons and preparing for the coming race war.
     
    Not exactly, but your types simply can't get what I try to say. Don't worry about it.

    Are you from some federal agency in the US?
     
    Whoever feels that "educating" and "voting" won't make much difference must be.
    It's O.K. to be soft and scared. For your types, that is.

    I suggest putting me on the ignore list.
    You just got on mine. Saves time.

    It’s O.K. to be soft and scared. For your types, that is.

    That’s not the point. The point is that anybody who seriously entertains such thoughts and writes about them on the internet (on a public site at that), is a fucking moron. Or has some other agenda.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  196. @Thorfinnsson
    Alcoholism has been a leading source of death for men in the FSU for decades, though things are now getting better. During the wild 90s it was apparently responsible for half of all deaths of Russians between 15 - 54.

    Drug addiction kills twice as many Americans annually as traffic fatalities.

    These are not minor problems. People are falling apart.

    Sluttery is evolutionarily adaptive today in that sluts get pregnant and resources to rear their bastards are provided by the state or the child support system. But it remains socially maladaptive. Sluts are shamed by other women, avoided by men with options, and single moms experience much more difficulty in finding decent partners. Step-fathers are also exponentially more likely to abuse children then actual fathers, and even adjusting for confounding factors children reared by single mothers experience all manner of worse life outcomes.

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn't be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It's especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.

    I would however suggest that within our own circles we police each other and promote virtuous behavior. This will make us both more effective and more attractive to others.

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn’t be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It’s especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.

    I don’t like shaming. It’s a crude and primitive method of social control. If “sluttery” is indeed socially harmful, then it should be a crime, with all the protections for the accused that entails: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the right to confront and cross-examine witnesses against you, a jury of your peers, etc.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Shaming is actually appropriate for things which would be difficult to regulate legally. I don’t think the sex lives of people should be regulated to the minute details by law, it’d even be difficult, and prohibitively expensive to enforce with finding evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

    It’s much easier to simply shame slutty behavior (and its male counterparts).
    , @Thorfinnsson
    This is simple enough--make fornication and adultery criminal offenses.
  197. @songbird
    Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger's parents thought he was gay for a time, when he first took an interest in body-building.

    Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

    Then why are the pictures always of handsome men with low body fat flexing instead of actual feats of strength?

    • Replies: @songbird
    Guessing beach pics facilitate the meme of Tropical Hyperborea.

    Essentially, it is more idiosyncratic, and therefore memorable. Plus, it is kind of subversive because it suggests reversing the current world order, and the ice people conquering the sun people's lands. You can't really do that with pics of caber tossing.

    But maybe I shouldn't be commenting about him because I've honestly never read his stuff.
  198. @peterAUS

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.
     
    Dumb.

    One of the best men I've met, true Alphas, real S.A.S. types, were unmarried men.
    Iron self-discipline, smart, decent jobs/careers, realistic look at the world. Self-reliant. Into adventure and combat sports, hunting, hiking etc.
    Hehe...you should walk a bit out of a big cosmopolitan area and see what kind of men live there.

    Were they gay? It’d be odd, since gay men are usually not interested in such activities. Only heterosexual men. It almost appears as if heterosexual guys might not be totally indifferent to the fact that chicks often dig independent special forces guys.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it? I’m not saying that was their proximate motivation, but the fact that gays are rarely into being special forces might suggest some connection between heterosexual proclivities (i.e. The Ladies) and motivation.

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Were they gay?
     
    No.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it?
     
    You know any man, save Brad Pitt types, who can "find ladies" whenever they feel it?!
    Whenever? Really?

    Besides, my reply was related to "unmarried men". I guess there is a distinction between a man who is not married and those you, apparently, think about.

    A race-conscious White male getting married, in this paradigm....that feels prudent to you?
    Hehe....that movie "Nice guys", "marriage is about buying a house to somebody you hate".

    My feeling, for the young White married males, today, is...they are, mostly "well-adjusted betas".
    Those unmarried are, how to put it, a good material to work with. Even speak with.

  199. @Rosie

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn’t be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It’s especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.
     
    I don't like shaming. It's a crude and primitive method of social control. If "sluttery" is indeed socially harmful, then it should be a crime, with all the protections for the accused that entails: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the right to confront and cross-examine witnesses against you, a jury of your peers, etc.

    Shaming is actually appropriate for things which would be difficult to regulate legally. I don’t think the sex lives of people should be regulated to the minute details by law, it’d even be difficult, and prohibitively expensive to enforce with finding evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

    It’s much easier to simply shame slutty behavior (and its male counterparts).

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Rosie

    It’s much easier to simply shame slutty behavior (and its male counterparts).
     
    Come now, you and I both know it won't work out that way.

    I don’t think the sex lives of people should be regulated to the minute details by law, it’d even be difficult, and prohibitively expensive to enforce with finding evidence beyond reasonable doubt.
     

    So what? The effect would be to demoralize promiscuity, reducing it to the status of homosexuality before Bowers v. Hardwicke. At a minimum, everyone would have to keep their mouths shut.
  200. @Rosie

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn’t be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It’s especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.
     
    I don't like shaming. It's a crude and primitive method of social control. If "sluttery" is indeed socially harmful, then it should be a crime, with all the protections for the accused that entails: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the right to confront and cross-examine witnesses against you, a jury of your peers, etc.

    This is simple enough–make fornication and adultery criminal offenses.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    It might be okay longer term. But certainly not as a short term program. Before you can introduce it you need society to already hold those values, i.e. shaming.
  201. @EldnahYm
    I have known people into body building who were not gay. Their obsession with diet and muscles had a lot in common with nerds or guys who are into cars. Bronze Age Pervert does not strike me as that sort of guy at all.

    The phrase “Bronze Age pervert” is essentially UR-slang for “gay Jew”, though it’s probably not intended that way.

  202. @Thorfinnsson
    This is simple enough--make fornication and adultery criminal offenses.

    It might be okay longer term. But certainly not as a short term program. Before you can introduce it you need society to already hold those values, i.e. shaming.

    • Agree: songbird
  203. @Kent Nationalist

    Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

     

    Then why are the pictures always of handsome men with low body fat flexing instead of actual feats of strength?

    Guessing beach pics facilitate the meme of Tropical Hyperborea.

    Essentially, it is more idiosyncratic, and therefore memorable. Plus, it is kind of subversive because it suggests reversing the current world order, and the ice people conquering the sun people’s lands. You can’t really do that with pics of caber tossing.

    But maybe I shouldn’t be commenting about him because I’ve honestly never read his stuff.

  204. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe” (i.e., only other women around).
     
    Fact check: mostly true.

    Yes, we like to dance, ideally with other women. And yes, dancing is inherently sexual, but I don't think that proves there's no Jewish conspiracy. Gyms don't offer any dance classes that don't reflect the (((popular culture))).

    Gyms don’t offer any dance classes that don’t reflect the (((popular culture)))

    I think “adult ballet” (i.e., ballet classes for non-professional novice adults) is a trendy thing; I’ve met women who do it. But different programs market to different demographics: the more high-toned forms of dancing (ballet, ballroom) will be enjoyed more by more affluent/educated women (those with successful careers, advance degrees etc), whereas the pole dancing/twerking will be more for proletarian lower-IQ types. Nothing new here; proles have always been more overtly sexual than the upper classes.

  205. @reiner Tor
    Shaming is actually appropriate for things which would be difficult to regulate legally. I don’t think the sex lives of people should be regulated to the minute details by law, it’d even be difficult, and prohibitively expensive to enforce with finding evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

    It’s much easier to simply shame slutty behavior (and its male counterparts).

    It’s much easier to simply shame slutty behavior (and its male counterparts).

    Come now, you and I both know it won’t work out that way.

    I don’t think the sex lives of people should be regulated to the minute details by law, it’d even be difficult, and prohibitively expensive to enforce with finding evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

    So what? The effect would be to demoralize promiscuity, reducing it to the status of homosexuality before Bowers v. Hardwicke. At a minimum, everyone would have to keep their mouths shut.

  206. @reiner Tor
    Were they gay? It’d be odd, since gay men are usually not interested in such activities. Only heterosexual men. It almost appears as if heterosexual guys might not be totally indifferent to the fact that chicks often dig independent special forces guys.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it? I’m not saying that was their proximate motivation, but the fact that gays are rarely into being special forces might suggest some connection between heterosexual proclivities (i.e. The Ladies) and motivation.

    Were they gay?

    No.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it?

    You know any man, save Brad Pitt types, who can “find ladies” whenever they feel it?!
    Whenever? Really?

    Besides, my reply was related to “unmarried men”. I guess there is a distinction between a man who is not married and those you, apparently, think about.

    A race-conscious White male getting married, in this paradigm….that feels prudent to you?
    Hehe….that movie “Nice guys”, “marriage is about buying a house to somebody you hate”.

    My feeling, for the young White married males, today, is…they are, mostly “well-adjusted betas”.
    Those unmarried are, how to put it, a good material to work with. Even speak with.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Speaking of "beta" etc. my experience:

    I've trained a couple of young guys in self-defense (or so I say....hehe....). Proper self-defense I'd say (yes, I know...). It was a good setup; they were keen, hard-working, the usual.
    They were not in a serious relationship with an opposite-sex at the time

    Hehehe....then, they got girls.

    Girls started having a problem with that...ahm..."thing". Haha...the guys quit.
    Understandable.

    What could be interesting here is my observation that the girls didn't actually mind the cuts/bruises, not even the time spent away from them. No. They didn't much appreciate the attitude.
    Make of that what you will.

    , @reiner Tor
    I was hyperbolic with "whenever" and you know it.

    So, were these guys shunned by the ladies? (Again, a hyperbole. You know what I mean. Especially relative to their wealth, or lack thereof, chicks probably dig these guys.)
  207. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Epigon

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/”stipper-obics”) is marketed as exercise (which I’m sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe”
     
    Riiiight.
    This behaviour being in "women's nature", you think women 30, 50, 100, 200 years ago would approve of it and join in the fun?


    It's almost as if moral code, desired and acceptable behaviour are not dictated by women themselves... And that there is a concentrated push coming from certain circles and groups with the explicite goal of undermining European traditions and social norms.

    Societies have been more or less repressive of female sexuality at varying times. Prostitution, for example, was probably more tolerated in most European countries circa 1700 than it is in the US today. Whether men exerted more control over female behavior at other points in history…probably they did? Or maybe not. Our knowledge of social norms in past eras is sketchy and mostly confined to the upper classes. My guess is they were more repressive in some respects, less repressive in others.

    A young woman’s sexuality is (mostly) an asset for her, and young women will realize this naturally, without any outside help. It is a weapon, and like any weapon the trick is to use it in the right place at the right time. Women have been trying to show off their sexualities in various ways since before man was man. We are animals: girl and boy are turned on by each other, they screw and make babies. Nothing complicated about it. No Jewish conspiracy required.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    Pretty much everything you said is total bullshit.

    a) "Repression" (though it really isn't) of female sexuality is not a male thing, nor a patriarchy imperative. It's a female thing driven by females, to allow females access to stable homes and money-earning fathers for their children.

    b) The job of women isn't to "show off sexuality", their primary drive is to vet male suitors and practice eugenics for their kids. "Female sexuality" of the slutty form is a gender inversion where women started acting like men in the second half of the 20th century. It was invented and forced on women by lecherous men and perverted lesbians.

    c) Sluttiness and promiscuity never lead to high birth rates. The rule is that the more loose sex, the less babies are born. (See points a) and b) above for an explanation, it should be obvious.)

    d) The animal imperative of the human creature is monogamy, not promiscuity. Promiscuity only became possible in the 20th century via a massive overdose of poisonous chemicals and brainwashing propaganda. It's as far from natural as you can get while still on this Earth.
  208. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:

    Where is all this slutty behavior? In the US our white birth rates are well below replacement and there is a general trend amongst younger people towards fewer sexual partners, fewer sexual experiences, just less sex overall. This isn’t the 1970s. Promiscuity has many downsides but I’d still probably prefer it to the nation of atomized internet addicts we are rapidly becoming.

    • Agree: German_reader
  209. @peterAUS

    Were they gay?
     
    No.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it?
     
    You know any man, save Brad Pitt types, who can "find ladies" whenever they feel it?!
    Whenever? Really?

    Besides, my reply was related to "unmarried men". I guess there is a distinction between a man who is not married and those you, apparently, think about.

    A race-conscious White male getting married, in this paradigm....that feels prudent to you?
    Hehe....that movie "Nice guys", "marriage is about buying a house to somebody you hate".

    My feeling, for the young White married males, today, is...they are, mostly "well-adjusted betas".
    Those unmarried are, how to put it, a good material to work with. Even speak with.

    Speaking of “beta” etc. my experience:

    I’ve trained a couple of young guys in self-defense (or so I say….hehe….). Proper self-defense I’d say (yes, I know…). It was a good setup; they were keen, hard-working, the usual.
    They were not in a serious relationship with an opposite-sex at the time

    Hehehe….then, they got girls.

    Girls started having a problem with that…ahm…”thing”. Haha…the guys quit.
    Understandable.

    What could be interesting here is my observation that the girls didn’t actually mind the cuts/bruises, not even the time spent away from them. No. They didn’t much appreciate the attitude.
    Make of that what you will.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Possible.

    Anyway. The guys had the attitude while they didn't have the girls. The girls appeared, and the guys suddenly realized having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly.)

    Would the girls have liked them if they didn't have the attitude in the first place? We'll never know. It might be the guy doing overtime, making lots of money, getting a wife, and then wifey demanding to stop working overtime. Would she have married him if he never did overtime in the first place?

    I still feel the connection how gay guys are rarely interested in such things.
  210. You don’t need a central court system to punish thots lol.

    Just a culture and state that looks the other way when an actual man tells some bitch to put some clothes on.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
  211. @Thorfinnsson

    I doubt it’s any more processed than regular beef patties.
     

    Regular beef patties are just that--beef. The steer is slaughtered, skinned, and butchered. The patties are then ground and packaged. That's it.

    Meanwhile here's the ingredients list of a Beyond Meat patty:

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*_OANhrKC30LFEMiiO4GoqQ.jpeg

    Simply producing canola oil alone, even the expelled pressed variety, requires refining, filtering, bleaching, deodorizing, and steam distillation.

    And what’s with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is “highly processed” (as well as “genetically modified.”) This is especially true for meat.
     

    Humans, almost uniquely, have evolved to partially pre-digest food through processing techniques. Most traditionally chopping and cooking.

    Thus the use of the term "processed" to mean bad or unhealthy is misleading. Lately I've been seeing a shift to the term "ultra-processed", which is a bit better, but still misleading.

    A better term would be evolutionarily novel. Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity, degenerative disease, etc. So-called "vegetable oil", of which canola oil is one, is a prime culprit.

    Food preparation in primitive societies could be quite elaborate, too.

    Evolutionary novel? Nah. It can’t be that novel if we can digest it. Our body breaks down food into few very basic elements, which it then uses as building blocks to build itself or for energy. All proteins are broken down into few simple amino acids, all carbs into glucose, etc. Does it matter what structure food had before it got broken down? Highly unlikely. In any case, I haven’t seen any definite proof of it, only feelz.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Nutrient composition and frequency of feeding are both novel.
    , @reiner Tor
    You are very wrong, but it's okay.
  212. @Rosie

    According to a history book I have read about Spain – in 1950s Spain, there were more than 500,000 prostitutes in a country of only 28 million people.
     
    I would surmise that economic distress of some sort was behind it if that is true.

    Combination of economic and political disasters.

    I have read much higher proportion of women in Spain had worked as a prostitute at some time moment in their life by the 1950s decade, when I read a history book of Spain which was written in Spanish.

    However, here is from one history book written in English.

    For all of its restrictions on social life and lifestyles, the Franco regime tolerated prostitution for many years. Ironically, the argument used to justify the maintenance of brothels was a moral one: to preserve the purity of honorable Spanish girls, their fiancées had to have a sexual outlet to avoid pressuring their prospective brides into compromising situations.

    Prostitution rose to epidemic proportions in the immediate postwar period, as widows, single mothers, and working-class women had few other options to avoid starvation for themselves and their families. By some estimates, as many as half a million families lacked a father or husband in the home, due to imprisonment, exile, or deaths during the civil war and the repression that followed. Indeed, the state estimated that more than 75 percent of women involved in prostitution engaged in the practice because of economic desperation, while another 15 percent had been abandoned by the fathers of their children and therefore lacked respectable alternatives. Only 10 percent were prostitutes because they preferred a life of “vice and degeneration” over more accepted alternatives.

    There were more than one thousand officially tolerated brothels in the 1940s, with thousands more sex workers operating outside of government supervision. One newspaper calculated that there were as many as twenty thousand prostitutes in Barcelona alone. As a result of this tolerance, sexually transmitted diseases increased to epidemic proportions, constituting more than one-third of illnesses recorded by soldiers in 1940. The church’s resistance to contraception, including condoms, likely contributed to the dramatic rise in these afflictions.

    Many of the prostitutes came to the profession because of their political background, or that of their husbands. Repression after 1939 was severe on men and women who had identified with the Republic, whether as members of leftist political parties, or even as spouses of activists in the Communist, anarchist, or Socialist parties. The regime banned many of these women from gainful employment, and as many were separated from their husbands through exile or imprisonment, they had few options other than black market activities or prostitution. The Nationalists already regarded feminist and pro-Republican women as “degenerate” and “ugly” for their public demonstrations for radical social change during the civil war and perhaps felt little pity after the conflict for those forced into this kind of tragic life… From the beginning of the postwar period, the Catholic Church supported a prohibition on prostitution, but only in the mid-1950s did the government ban the practice. The final decision came only after a visit by the U.S. cardinal, Francis Spellman, who convinced Franco in 1956 that such a ban would improve Spain’s international reputation.

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    • Replies: @Rosie

    Ironically, the argument used to justify the maintenance of brothels was a moral one: to preserve the purity of honorable Spanish girls, their fiancées had to have a sexual outlet to avoid pressuring their prospective brides into compromising situations.
     
    Yes, indeed. There has always been a stench of hypocrisy surrounding prostitution.

    Some must be dehumanized and degraded so that others may be elevated.

  213. I guess I am kind of a libertarian on clothes, within certain reason. Should be the law that:

    1.) Any healthy observer is required to kick the butt of anyone with their pants purposefully falling down
    2.) You need a certain BMI index to be allowed to dress like a slut, and there is a hard age limit
    3.) Anyone wearing a Che shirt should be sent to a 24 hour re-education camp

    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Obviously, should wear the clothes they like, to the extent the don't want to disappoint the local norms.

    On general topic of aesthetic norms of a society. Everything has costs and benefits.

    A very aesthetic society like Italy, looks beautiful from outside. But it is slightly oppressive to live with the social norm to iron your clothes, polish your shoes every morning, and buy a new shirt everytime you mess up with spaghetti. It adds a layer of stress and extra work, to live in an aesthetic society.

    On the other hand, an unpretentious, nonaesthetic society, where women do not care about wearing makeup, you can go to the office in your pajamas, and you can have muddy shoes and tomato stains on your clothes - seems much more preferable and refreshing from a viewpoint of personal comfort. But then you have to pay the cost that the population will appear shabby, and outsiders will laugh a bit at your appearance.

    , @Rosie

    I guess I am kind of a libertarian on clothes, within certain reason.
     
    There has only been one thing that has ever really bothered me: Girls with their bathing suits literally up their ass at a family pool where children are playing. Thankfully, I haven't seen this very often.
  214. @peterAUS

    Were they gay?
     
    No.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it?
     
    You know any man, save Brad Pitt types, who can "find ladies" whenever they feel it?!
    Whenever? Really?

    Besides, my reply was related to "unmarried men". I guess there is a distinction between a man who is not married and those you, apparently, think about.

    A race-conscious White male getting married, in this paradigm....that feels prudent to you?
    Hehe....that movie "Nice guys", "marriage is about buying a house to somebody you hate".

    My feeling, for the young White married males, today, is...they are, mostly "well-adjusted betas".
    Those unmarried are, how to put it, a good material to work with. Even speak with.

    I was hyperbolic with “whenever” and you know it.

    So, were these guys shunned by the ladies? (Again, a hyperbole. You know what I mean. Especially relative to their wealth, or lack thereof, chicks probably dig these guys.)

    • Replies: @Brutis
    They dig them but at the same time relationships can be difficult.

    The guys probably orient towards being experts in the Warrior topics and not much else.

    We may think hunting, fishing, shooting camping are separate topics but to basic bitches they're not.

    The men are caught between trying to cultivate interests they give no fucks about or handling the fact that the general public doesn't ascribe any social status to knowledge & breadth in these subjects.

    There's no shortage of 'hot' guys so social compatibility is another filter used.

    Knowing Drake's cock size gets you further with the latest than zeroing a scope blindfolded.

    You just get to a point where you don't need to worry because you know you're a top tier man and so does she. You don't need to prove shit to the horde of teenage girls,

    You need a smart woman anyway because she'll be raising the kids after you go to speak with Tengri in Uchmak.
  215. @inertial
    Food preparation in primitive societies could be quite elaborate, too.

    Evolutionary novel? Nah. It can't be that novel if we can digest it. Our body breaks down food into few very basic elements, which it then uses as building blocks to build itself or for energy. All proteins are broken down into few simple amino acids, all carbs into glucose, etc. Does it matter what structure food had before it got broken down? Highly unlikely. In any case, I haven't seen any definite proof of it, only feelz.

    Nutrient composition and frequency of feeding are both novel.

    • Replies: @inertial
    That's true. For most of human history most people lacked basic nutrients and frequency of feeding was often low enough to starve to death. I rather like novelty.
  216. @peterAUS
    Speaking of "beta" etc. my experience:

    I've trained a couple of young guys in self-defense (or so I say....hehe....). Proper self-defense I'd say (yes, I know...). It was a good setup; they were keen, hard-working, the usual.
    They were not in a serious relationship with an opposite-sex at the time

    Hehehe....then, they got girls.

    Girls started having a problem with that...ahm..."thing". Haha...the guys quit.
    Understandable.

    What could be interesting here is my observation that the girls didn't actually mind the cuts/bruises, not even the time spent away from them. No. They didn't much appreciate the attitude.
    Make of that what you will.

    Possible.

    Anyway. The guys had the attitude while they didn’t have the girls. The girls appeared, and the guys suddenly realized having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly.)

    Would the girls have liked them if they didn’t have the attitude in the first place? We’ll never know. It might be the guy doing overtime, making lots of money, getting a wife, and then wifey demanding to stop working overtime. Would she have married him if he never did overtime in the first place?

    I still feel the connection how gay guys are rarely interested in such things.

    • Replies: @Brutis
    It's true.

    White women are especially bad at this but it applies to others. Basic bitches (like Rosie) in general tbh,

    There are love songs where the girl is caught between loving the Thug but also wanting him to stop engaging in the violent environment.

    Men love violence that's really all there is.
    This is also why I'd rather marry a less attractive girl who is okay with the Warrior stuff both personally and socially.

    You need a Warrior religion.
    , @peterAUS
    Interesting questions.
    Wording too.

    ...shunned by the ladies....chicks probably dig ....Anyway....
     

    ....having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly
     
    How about a question for you:
    9 P.M. in a shopping center parking. You are loading stuff in your car. A car parks by. "Thump"...a driver just hit, hard, with his door, your car. An average looking guy. One guy.
    You try to complain. He says"fuck off" and starts towards you. 2 seconds to close the gap.

    Ever thought about it?
    If no let's move on.

    If yes: what....do...you....do?

  217. @inertial
    Food preparation in primitive societies could be quite elaborate, too.

    Evolutionary novel? Nah. It can't be that novel if we can digest it. Our body breaks down food into few very basic elements, which it then uses as building blocks to build itself or for energy. All proteins are broken down into few simple amino acids, all carbs into glucose, etc. Does it matter what structure food had before it got broken down? Highly unlikely. In any case, I haven't seen any definite proof of it, only feelz.

    You are very wrong, but it’s okay.

  218. @reiner Tor
    Possible.

    Anyway. The guys had the attitude while they didn't have the girls. The girls appeared, and the guys suddenly realized having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly.)

    Would the girls have liked them if they didn't have the attitude in the first place? We'll never know. It might be the guy doing overtime, making lots of money, getting a wife, and then wifey demanding to stop working overtime. Would she have married him if he never did overtime in the first place?

    I still feel the connection how gay guys are rarely interested in such things.

    It’s true.

    White women are especially bad at this but it applies to others. Basic bitches (like Rosie) in general tbh,

    There are love songs where the girl is caught between loving the Thug but also wanting him to stop engaging in the violent environment.

    Men love violence that’s really all there is.
    This is also why I’d rather marry a less attractive girl who is okay with the Warrior stuff both personally and socially.

    You need a Warrior religion.

  219. @reiner Tor
    Possible.

    Anyway. The guys had the attitude while they didn't have the girls. The girls appeared, and the guys suddenly realized having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly.)

    Would the girls have liked them if they didn't have the attitude in the first place? We'll never know. It might be the guy doing overtime, making lots of money, getting a wife, and then wifey demanding to stop working overtime. Would she have married him if he never did overtime in the first place?

    I still feel the connection how gay guys are rarely interested in such things.

    Interesting questions.
    Wording too.

    …shunned by the ladies….chicks probably dig ….Anyway….

    ….having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly

    How about a question for you:
    9 P.M. in a shopping center parking. You are loading stuff in your car. A car parks by. “Thump”…a driver just hit, hard, with his door, your car. An average looking guy. One guy.
    You try to complain. He says”fuck off” and starts towards you. 2 seconds to close the gap.

    Ever thought about it?
    If no let’s move on.

    If yes: what….do…you….do?

    • Replies: @Brutis
    Pull the war bracelet off your wrist beat him to a pulp and if he complains further charge him with hate crime. 😂

    Preparing arms should be instinctual in any tense situation.

    Your situation also sucks because no average looking or anyone period is going to do that.

    Would you?
    , @peterAUS
    An acquaintance of mine, nice middle-class White guy, got hospitalized a several months ago. Surgery.
    Awaiting for more surgeries. Reconstruction type. Facial.

    A younger man than me. Stronger too. But nice. Well-adjusted, that is.

    Details (customized a bit for obvious reasons):
    He and his wife went for a nice stroll along a river. Parked in the usual, safe, place. Walked, came back and found a guy sitting on their bonnet, drinking beer. The man simply complained. The other guy...reacted....
    Worse, the acquaintance of mine didn't register that man's accomplice, who blindsided him from behind. True, other "strollers" did jump to help. Too late. 30 seconds "action", not longer.

    Perpetrators fled.
    Police came.
    Hospital time.

    Oh, BTW, still nothing on the legal front re the perpetrators.

    Don't think the man learnt the lesson, though.

    Understandable.
    , @reiner Tor
    I thought about similar situations with Gypsies. Apologize and cut your losses. You have a normal life. He doesn’t care about prison, and having a long prison term only means prestige for him. Even if you beat him you can get into trouble; or he might want to get revenge, so he’ll come back and stab you from the back. He won’t care that it’s a cowardly way of defeating someone, in his mind it’ll be victory.

    In your situation the aggressive guy probably has less to lose. Normal people aren’t that aggressive. He’s either on drugs or just a psycho who will go to jail soon; it’s best if for beating up someone else. Again, even if you beat him you’ll get into trouble. Or he might want a revenge.

    I probably wouldn’t scratch his car after he’s gone, but that’s also an option.

    That’s the theory. When you only have two seconds, you might do something dumb like engaging in physical confrontation. But you really shouldn’t.
  220. @songbird
    I guess I am kind of a libertarian on clothes, within certain reason. Should be the law that:

    1.) Any healthy observer is required to kick the butt of anyone with their pants purposefully falling down
    2.) You need a certain BMI index to be allowed to dress like a slut, and there is a hard age limit
    3.) Anyone wearing a Che shirt should be sent to a 24 hour re-education camp

    Obviously, should wear the clothes they like, to the extent the don’t want to disappoint the local norms.

    On general topic of aesthetic norms of a society. Everything has costs and benefits.

    A very aesthetic society like Italy, looks beautiful from outside. But it is slightly oppressive to live with the social norm to iron your clothes, polish your shoes every morning, and buy a new shirt everytime you mess up with spaghetti. It adds a layer of stress and extra work, to live in an aesthetic society.

    On the other hand, an unpretentious, nonaesthetic society, where women do not care about wearing makeup, you can go to the office in your pajamas, and you can have muddy shoes and tomato stains on your clothes – seems much more preferable and refreshing from a viewpoint of personal comfort. But then you have to pay the cost that the population will appear shabby, and outsiders will laugh a bit at your appearance.

    • Replies: @Brutis
    Men are able to survive by their own violence.

    Woman's nature is of subservience due to her very biology.

    Therefore women are always property and always regulated or heavily influenced into following trends.

    This personality trait is called agreeableness.

    Don't bring up Amazons because that is from my tribe in ancient times & Singh is hunting Afghan rapists is our modern/contemporary heritage.

    If you can't assert yourself over women you don't deserve to have them around.

    Rosie is just there to ruin the fun and gain attention.
    , @songbird
    I think it is kind of interesting to see the clothes women pick for themselves. To a certain degree, fashions that show more skin are pushed on them, but there is still some room for modesty.

    Tattoos on women are disgusting, but perhaps have important signaling value.

    One of the downsides of relaxed social norms on clothing is the globalization of clothes. For instance, the high penetration of English words on clothes, even to the ends of the Earth, or people making fun of others for not having the top American brand of jeans.
  221. @reiner Tor
    I was hyperbolic with "whenever" and you know it.

    So, were these guys shunned by the ladies? (Again, a hyperbole. You know what I mean. Especially relative to their wealth, or lack thereof, chicks probably dig these guys.)

    They dig them but at the same time relationships can be difficult.

    The guys probably orient towards being experts in the Warrior topics and not much else.

    We may think hunting, fishing, shooting camping are separate topics but to basic bitches they’re not.

    The men are caught between trying to cultivate interests they give no fucks about or handling the fact that the general public doesn’t ascribe any social status to knowledge & breadth in these subjects.

    There’s no shortage of ‘hot’ guys so social compatibility is another filter used.

    Knowing Drake’s cock size gets you further with the latest than zeroing a scope blindfolded.

    You just get to a point where you don’t need to worry because you know you’re a top tier man and so does she. You don’t need to prove shit to the horde of teenage girls,

    You need a smart woman anyway because she’ll be raising the kids after you go to speak with Tengri in Uchmak.

  222. @peterAUS
    Interesting questions.
    Wording too.

    ...shunned by the ladies....chicks probably dig ....Anyway....
     

    ....having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly
     
    How about a question for you:
    9 P.M. in a shopping center parking. You are loading stuff in your car. A car parks by. "Thump"...a driver just hit, hard, with his door, your car. An average looking guy. One guy.
    You try to complain. He says"fuck off" and starts towards you. 2 seconds to close the gap.

    Ever thought about it?
    If no let's move on.

    If yes: what....do...you....do?

    Pull the war bracelet off your wrist beat him to a pulp and if he complains further charge him with hate crime. 😂

    Preparing arms should be instinctual in any tense situation.

    Your situation also sucks because no average looking or anyone period is going to do that.

    Would you?

    • Replies: @peterAUS

    Your situation also sucks because no average looking or anyone period is going to do that.
     
    Hahahaha...."anyone period"? Do what? Smash you into the ground because he is simply looking for a fight? Hahaha........
    Warrior a?
    Oh my.

    You guys really have to go out more.
  223. @Thorfinnsson
    Nutrient composition and frequency of feeding are both novel.

    That’s true. For most of human history most people lacked basic nutrients and frequency of feeding was often low enough to starve to death. I rather like novelty.

    • Replies: @Brutis
    For most of human history you hunted wild animals and fought other men bare chested.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Powerful take.

    https://www.cartoonmovement.com/depot/cartoons/2016/10/27/famine_war__ayman_toon.jpeg

    Return to Tradition
  224. @Dmitry
    Obviously, should wear the clothes they like, to the extent the don't want to disappoint the local norms.

    On general topic of aesthetic norms of a society. Everything has costs and benefits.

    A very aesthetic society like Italy, looks beautiful from outside. But it is slightly oppressive to live with the social norm to iron your clothes, polish your shoes every morning, and buy a new shirt everytime you mess up with spaghetti. It adds a layer of stress and extra work, to live in an aesthetic society.

    On the other hand, an unpretentious, nonaesthetic society, where women do not care about wearing makeup, you can go to the office in your pajamas, and you can have muddy shoes and tomato stains on your clothes - seems much more preferable and refreshing from a viewpoint of personal comfort. But then you have to pay the cost that the population will appear shabby, and outsiders will laugh a bit at your appearance.

    Men are able to survive by their own violence.

    Woman’s nature is of subservience due to her very biology.

    Therefore women are always property and always regulated or heavily influenced into following trends.

    This personality trait is called agreeableness.

    Don’t bring up Amazons because that is from my tribe in ancient times & Singh is hunting Afghan rapists is our modern/contemporary heritage.

    If you can’t assert yourself over women you don’t deserve to have them around.

    Rosie is just there to ruin the fun and gain attention.

  225. @inertial
    That's true. For most of human history most people lacked basic nutrients and frequency of feeding was often low enough to starve to death. I rather like novelty.

    For most of human history you hunted wild animals and fought other men bare chested.

  226. @inertial
    That's true. For most of human history most people lacked basic nutrients and frequency of feeding was often low enough to starve to death. I rather like novelty.

    Powerful take.

    Return to Tradition

  227. @peterAUS
    Interesting questions.
    Wording too.

    ...shunned by the ladies....chicks probably dig ....Anyway....
     

    ....having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly
     
    How about a question for you:
    9 P.M. in a shopping center parking. You are loading stuff in your car. A car parks by. "Thump"...a driver just hit, hard, with his door, your car. An average looking guy. One guy.
    You try to complain. He says"fuck off" and starts towards you. 2 seconds to close the gap.

    Ever thought about it?
    If no let's move on.

    If yes: what....do...you....do?

    An acquaintance of mine, nice middle-class White guy, got hospitalized a several months ago. Surgery.
    Awaiting for more surgeries. Reconstruction type. Facial.

    A younger man than me. Stronger too. But nice. Well-adjusted, that is.

    Details (customized a bit for obvious reasons):
    He and his wife went for a nice stroll along a river. Parked in the usual, safe, place. Walked, came back and found a guy sitting on their bonnet, drinking beer. The man simply complained. The other guy…reacted….
    Worse, the acquaintance of mine didn’t register that man’s accomplice, who blindsided him from behind. True, other “strollers” did jump to help. Too late. 30 seconds “action”, not longer.

    Perpetrators fled.
    Police came.
    Hospital time.

    Oh, BTW, still nothing on the legal front re the perpetrators.

    Don’t think the man learnt the lesson, though.

    Understandable.

  228. @peterAUS
    Interesting questions.
    Wording too.

    ...shunned by the ladies....chicks probably dig ....Anyway....
     

    ....having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly
     
    How about a question for you:
    9 P.M. in a shopping center parking. You are loading stuff in your car. A car parks by. "Thump"...a driver just hit, hard, with his door, your car. An average looking guy. One guy.
    You try to complain. He says"fuck off" and starts towards you. 2 seconds to close the gap.

    Ever thought about it?
    If no let's move on.

    If yes: what....do...you....do?

    I thought about similar situations with Gypsies. Apologize and cut your losses. You have a normal life. He doesn’t care about prison, and having a long prison term only means prestige for him. Even if you beat him you can get into trouble; or he might want to get revenge, so he’ll come back and stab you from the back. He won’t care that it’s a cowardly way of defeating someone, in his mind it’ll be victory.

    In your situation the aggressive guy probably has less to lose. Normal people aren’t that aggressive. He’s either on drugs or just a psycho who will go to jail soon; it’s best if for beating up someone else. Again, even if you beat him you’ll get into trouble. Or he might want a revenge.

    I probably wouldn’t scratch his car after he’s gone, but that’s also an option.

    That’s the theory. When you only have two seconds, you might do something dumb like engaging in physical confrontation. But you really shouldn’t.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Thank you for the honest answer.
    Especially:

    ....When you only have two seconds, you might do something dumb like engaging in physical confrontation. But you really shouldn’t.
     
    Moving on.
  229. @Brutis
    Pull the war bracelet off your wrist beat him to a pulp and if he complains further charge him with hate crime. 😂

    Preparing arms should be instinctual in any tense situation.

    Your situation also sucks because no average looking or anyone period is going to do that.

    Would you?

    Your situation also sucks because no average looking or anyone period is going to do that.

    Hahahaha….”anyone period”? Do what? Smash you into the ground because he is simply looking for a fight? Hahaha……..
    Warrior a?
    Oh my.

    You guys really have to go out more.

    • Replies: @Brutis
    You're a fucking christcuck don't you dare talk about Warriorship LOL!
  230. @reiner Tor
    I thought about similar situations with Gypsies. Apologize and cut your losses. You have a normal life. He doesn’t care about prison, and having a long prison term only means prestige for him. Even if you beat him you can get into trouble; or he might want to get revenge, so he’ll come back and stab you from the back. He won’t care that it’s a cowardly way of defeating someone, in his mind it’ll be victory.

    In your situation the aggressive guy probably has less to lose. Normal people aren’t that aggressive. He’s either on drugs or just a psycho who will go to jail soon; it’s best if for beating up someone else. Again, even if you beat him you’ll get into trouble. Or he might want a revenge.

    I probably wouldn’t scratch his car after he’s gone, but that’s also an option.

    That’s the theory. When you only have two seconds, you might do something dumb like engaging in physical confrontation. But you really shouldn’t.

    Thank you for the honest answer.
    Especially:

    ….When you only have two seconds, you might do something dumb like engaging in physical confrontation. But you really shouldn’t.

    Moving on.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Gypsies are often not very big. They are tough, but not very courageous either. In an honest fist fight you have a chance against most of them. Or so you think. But it will never be an honest fight. To them, fairness is not manly. They don’t care about a fair fight. They care about winning. So they will use a knife, and in a cowardly way, like from behind, when you no longer pay attention, believing to have won your altercation.
  231. @peterAUS
    Thank you for the honest answer.
    Especially:

    ....When you only have two seconds, you might do something dumb like engaging in physical confrontation. But you really shouldn’t.
     
    Moving on.

    Gypsies are often not very big. They are tough, but not very courageous either. In an honest fist fight you have a chance against most of them. Or so you think. But it will never be an honest fight. To them, fairness is not manly. They don’t care about a fair fight. They care about winning. So they will use a knife, and in a cowardly way, like from behind, when you no longer pay attention, believing to have won your altercation.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    No point in arguing with PeterAUS and his Australian tough guy act, he's already decided we're all wimps here anyway.
    I agree with you, if one has a bourgeois life, one is of course always at a disadvantage against antisocial, violence-prone elements. It's silly to believe that this reality could be mitigated by self-defense or other individual measures. The goal must be to change the system (especially the judicial system), so that crime-prone individuals and groups are eliminated from society or terrorized into better behaviour.
  232. @reiner Tor
    Gypsies are often not very big. They are tough, but not very courageous either. In an honest fist fight you have a chance against most of them. Or so you think. But it will never be an honest fight. To them, fairness is not manly. They don’t care about a fair fight. They care about winning. So they will use a knife, and in a cowardly way, like from behind, when you no longer pay attention, believing to have won your altercation.

    No point in arguing with PeterAUS and his Australian tough guy act, he’s already decided we’re all wimps here anyway.
    I agree with you, if one has a bourgeois life, one is of course always at a disadvantage against antisocial, violence-prone elements. It’s silly to believe that this reality could be mitigated by self-defense or other individual measures. The goal must be to change the system (especially the judicial system), so that crime-prone individuals and groups are eliminated from society or terrorized into better behaviour.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    You can’t terrorize them into better behavior. You can either lock them up for life, or kill on the spot. It’s like with mad dog: shoot first, ask questions later.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    PeterAUS is perhaps being a bit silly in this thread, but it's certainly true that you can't always rely on the state to protect you--especially these days.

    Taking precautions to protect yourself and loved ones is sensible and responsible.

    The most important thing of course is situational awareness. If you can avoid a bad situation in the first place, or get out of it, that's best. But you can't be sure of that, so being prepared to defend yourself is useful.

    That of course doesn't mean you should go out spoiling for a fight or fantasize about yourself as some kind of a tough guy, even if you are tough.

    Lift weights, maintain awareness of your surroundings, avoid groups of young men (especially but not exclusively vibrants), don't get drunk in public, don't run your mouth, practice basic self-defense techniques, and if needed carry a weapon. And that doesn't necessarily mean a firearm or a knife (though it could). Something as simple as a tactical flashlight is very useful.

  233. @German_reader
    No point in arguing with PeterAUS and his Australian tough guy act, he's already decided we're all wimps here anyway.
    I agree with you, if one has a bourgeois life, one is of course always at a disadvantage against antisocial, violence-prone elements. It's silly to believe that this reality could be mitigated by self-defense or other individual measures. The goal must be to change the system (especially the judicial system), so that crime-prone individuals and groups are eliminated from society or terrorized into better behaviour.

    You can’t terrorize them into better behavior. You can either lock them up for life, or kill on the spot. It’s like with mad dog: shoot first, ask questions later.

  234. @German_reader
    No point in arguing with PeterAUS and his Australian tough guy act, he's already decided we're all wimps here anyway.
    I agree with you, if one has a bourgeois life, one is of course always at a disadvantage against antisocial, violence-prone elements. It's silly to believe that this reality could be mitigated by self-defense or other individual measures. The goal must be to change the system (especially the judicial system), so that crime-prone individuals and groups are eliminated from society or terrorized into better behaviour.

    PeterAUS is perhaps being a bit silly in this thread, but it’s certainly true that you can’t always rely on the state to protect you–especially these days.

    Taking precautions to protect yourself and loved ones is sensible and responsible.

    The most important thing of course is situational awareness. If you can avoid a bad situation in the first place, or get out of it, that’s best. But you can’t be sure of that, so being prepared to defend yourself is useful.

    That of course doesn’t mean you should go out spoiling for a fight or fantasize about yourself as some kind of a tough guy, even if you are tough.

    Lift weights, maintain awareness of your surroundings, avoid groups of young men (especially but not exclusively vibrants), don’t get drunk in public, don’t run your mouth, practice basic self-defense techniques, and if needed carry a weapon. And that doesn’t necessarily mean a firearm or a knife (though it could). Something as simple as a tactical flashlight is very useful.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    but it’s certainly true that you can’t always rely on the state to protect you–especially these days.
     
    Sure, but look at PeterAUS' post (229) about his acquaintance who was hospitalized...what exactly should the guy have done in this situation? Preemptively attack the guy who was sitting on his car, because he might get violent? Even if you manage to overpower your opponent in that situation (and what if he has a knife and uses it?), it's you who is the aggressor in the eyes of the law. And unlike some antisocial scum you've got your bourgeois life to lose. Over a situation that might possibly not have turned violent at all.
    A willingness to use violence if absolutely necessary (and the ability for it) is certainly something that should be cultivated in men, but PeterAUS' posturing is silly imo.
  235. @Dmitry
    Obviously, should wear the clothes they like, to the extent the don't want to disappoint the local norms.

    On general topic of aesthetic norms of a society. Everything has costs and benefits.

    A very aesthetic society like Italy, looks beautiful from outside. But it is slightly oppressive to live with the social norm to iron your clothes, polish your shoes every morning, and buy a new shirt everytime you mess up with spaghetti. It adds a layer of stress and extra work, to live in an aesthetic society.

    On the other hand, an unpretentious, nonaesthetic society, where women do not care about wearing makeup, you can go to the office in your pajamas, and you can have muddy shoes and tomato stains on your clothes - seems much more preferable and refreshing from a viewpoint of personal comfort. But then you have to pay the cost that the population will appear shabby, and outsiders will laugh a bit at your appearance.

    I think it is kind of interesting to see the clothes women pick for themselves. To a certain degree, fashions that show more skin are pushed on them, but there is still some room for modesty.

    Tattoos on women are disgusting, but perhaps have important signaling value.

    One of the downsides of relaxed social norms on clothing is the globalization of clothes. For instance, the high penetration of English words on clothes, even to the ends of the Earth, or people making fun of others for not having the top American brand of jeans.

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    globalization of clothes
     
    There's still huge diversity between clothes cultures of different countries - if not in actual style or material of clothes, then in terms of standards and effort.

    Italy is extreme, aesthetic culture. For man in Italian culture, I believe (at least as how they look), still is expected to wear a clean suit to work without tomato stains, or to polish their shoes before they see their mama. And then they also are supposed to change their style for different situations - so wearing nikes is for going to the cafe, but not for expensive restaurant, etc.

    The opposite extreme nonaesthetic culture is Israel, which has aesthetic norms of third world peasants, where both sexes can walk in the street wearing pajamas, women often do not wear make up, do not care how they look, and people can go to the office with dirty shoes, do not have to shave, and, in general, the messier the appearance, the more you will look like a native.

    Intermediate is something like Russia or England, where there is general expectation and pressure for women to care about appearance, but not so much for men.

    Italian social obsession with aesthetics, results in attractive clothed people, and can be viewed as a higher form of civilization. On the other hand, it would surely be stressful to live in such a culture, adding additional work to your life.

    Even in startup events in Italy, people are wearing clean clothes and carefully groomed beards and girls all covered with makeup. Lol this stylish and carefully groom nerds - only in Italy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL0uOkbaIm8

    people making fun of others for not having the top American brand of jeans.

     

    Levis are just a good quality and well designed product, where people buy it not for fashion, but because of function.

    The fucked thing, is why they cost double the price outside America than inside.
  236. @Dmitry
    Combination of economic and political disasters.

    I have read much higher proportion of women in Spain had worked as a prostitute at some time moment in their life by the 1950s decade, when I read a history book of Spain which was written in Spanish.

    However, here is from one history book written in English.


    For all of its restrictions on social life and lifestyles, the Franco regime tolerated prostitution for many years. Ironically, the argument used to justify the maintenance of brothels was a moral one: to preserve the purity of honorable Spanish girls, their fiancées had to have a sexual outlet to avoid pressuring their prospective brides into compromising situations.

    Prostitution rose to epidemic proportions in the immediate postwar period, as widows, single mothers, and working-class women had few other options to avoid starvation for themselves and their families. By some estimates, as many as half a million families lacked a father or husband in the home, due to imprisonment, exile, or deaths during the civil war and the repression that followed. Indeed, the state estimated that more than 75 percent of women involved in prostitution engaged in the practice because of economic desperation, while another 15 percent had been abandoned by the fathers of their children and therefore lacked respectable alternatives. Only 10 percent were prostitutes because they preferred a life of “vice and degeneration” over more accepted alternatives.

    There were more than one thousand officially tolerated brothels in the 1940s, with thousands more sex workers operating outside of government supervision. One newspaper calculated that there were as many as twenty thousand prostitutes in Barcelona alone. As a result of this tolerance, sexually transmitted diseases increased to epidemic proportions, constituting more than one-third of illnesses recorded by soldiers in 1940. The church’s resistance to contraception, including condoms, likely contributed to the dramatic rise in these afflictions.

    Many of the prostitutes came to the profession because of their political background, or that of their husbands. Repression after 1939 was severe on men and women who had identified with the Republic, whether as members of leftist political parties, or even as spouses of activists in the Communist, anarchist, or Socialist parties. The regime banned many of these women from gainful employment, and as many were separated from their husbands through exile or imprisonment, they had few options other than black market activities or prostitution. The Nationalists already regarded feminist and pro-Republican women as “degenerate” and “ugly” for their public demonstrations for radical social change during the civil war and perhaps felt little pity after the conflict for those forced into this kind of tragic life... From the beginning of the postwar period, the Catholic Church supported a prohibition on prostitution, but only in the mid-1950s did the government ban the practice. The final decision came only after a visit by the U.S. cardinal, Francis Spellman, who convinced Franco in 1956 that such a ban would improve Spain’s international reputation.
     

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    Ironically, the argument used to justify the maintenance of brothels was a moral one: to preserve the purity of honorable Spanish girls, their fiancées had to have a sexual outlet to avoid pressuring their prospective brides into compromising situations.

    Yes, indeed. There has always been a stench of hypocrisy surrounding prostitution.

    Some must be dehumanized and degraded so that others may be elevated.

  237. @Thorfinnsson
    PeterAUS is perhaps being a bit silly in this thread, but it's certainly true that you can't always rely on the state to protect you--especially these days.

    Taking precautions to protect yourself and loved ones is sensible and responsible.

    The most important thing of course is situational awareness. If you can avoid a bad situation in the first place, or get out of it, that's best. But you can't be sure of that, so being prepared to defend yourself is useful.

    That of course doesn't mean you should go out spoiling for a fight or fantasize about yourself as some kind of a tough guy, even if you are tough.

    Lift weights, maintain awareness of your surroundings, avoid groups of young men (especially but not exclusively vibrants), don't get drunk in public, don't run your mouth, practice basic self-defense techniques, and if needed carry a weapon. And that doesn't necessarily mean a firearm or a knife (though it could). Something as simple as a tactical flashlight is very useful.

    but it’s certainly true that you can’t always rely on the state to protect you–especially these days.

    Sure, but look at PeterAUS’ post (229) about his acquaintance who was hospitalized…what exactly should the guy have done in this situation? Preemptively attack the guy who was sitting on his car, because he might get violent? Even if you manage to overpower your opponent in that situation (and what if he has a knife and uses it?), it’s you who is the aggressor in the eyes of the law. And unlike some antisocial scum you’ve got your bourgeois life to lose. Over a situation that might possibly not have turned violent at all.
    A willingness to use violence if absolutely necessary (and the ability for it) is certainly something that should be cultivated in men, but PeterAUS’ posturing is silly imo.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    I think that scenario is rather unlikely--let's just say it's bad luck.

    PeterAUS can speak for himself, but I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn't have come off so badly.

    As to what you should do in that situation, I would suggest before doing anything else that you take a photograph. If the person is menacing or has the possibility to be, perhaps just leave and come back. The hood of your car is already scratched after all and won't repair itself just because you tell the guy off or kick his ass (or get yourself beaten to a pulp).

    You're also not going to lose your bourgeois life over battery charges. Most bourgeois people overestimate how punitive the criminal justice system is, and they also overestimate how much other people care about you having a criminal record.

    I agree that his posturing is silly.
  238. @songbird
    I guess I am kind of a libertarian on clothes, within certain reason. Should be the law that:

    1.) Any healthy observer is required to kick the butt of anyone with their pants purposefully falling down
    2.) You need a certain BMI index to be allowed to dress like a slut, and there is a hard age limit
    3.) Anyone wearing a Che shirt should be sent to a 24 hour re-education camp

    I guess I am kind of a libertarian on clothes, within certain reason.

    There has only been one thing that has ever really bothered me: Girls with their bathing suits literally up their ass at a family pool where children are playing. Thankfully, I haven’t seen this very often.

    • Replies: @songbird
    My favorite place to take a dip are rural ponds and lakes. I don't want to sound like a misanthrope, but it really is nice not having anyone around (usually.)
  239. @German_reader

    but it’s certainly true that you can’t always rely on the state to protect you–especially these days.
     
    Sure, but look at PeterAUS' post (229) about his acquaintance who was hospitalized...what exactly should the guy have done in this situation? Preemptively attack the guy who was sitting on his car, because he might get violent? Even if you manage to overpower your opponent in that situation (and what if he has a knife and uses it?), it's you who is the aggressor in the eyes of the law. And unlike some antisocial scum you've got your bourgeois life to lose. Over a situation that might possibly not have turned violent at all.
    A willingness to use violence if absolutely necessary (and the ability for it) is certainly something that should be cultivated in men, but PeterAUS' posturing is silly imo.

    I think that scenario is rather unlikely–let’s just say it’s bad luck.

    PeterAUS can speak for himself, but I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn’t have come off so badly.

    As to what you should do in that situation, I would suggest before doing anything else that you take a photograph. If the person is menacing or has the possibility to be, perhaps just leave and come back. The hood of your car is already scratched after all and won’t repair itself just because you tell the guy off or kick his ass (or get yourself beaten to a pulp).

    You’re also not going to lose your bourgeois life over battery charges. Most bourgeois people overestimate how punitive the criminal justice system is, and they also overestimate how much other people care about you having a criminal record.

    I agree that his posturing is silly.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @peterAUS

    ....I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn’t have come off so badly..
     
    Correct assumption.
    Not a friend, though; acquaintance.

    As for the rest of related blather here it's good to see most of the people in this pub having no clue about the ritual of violence.
    Last time they faced something like that was, like..never. But they read about it.

    Just funny.

    , @reiner Tor
    I think his point was that someone sitting on the hood of your car is actually looking for a fight. When noticing it, you should immediately be aware that the guy is pretty likely looking for an excuse to attack you. It’s also possible he’s not alone. So he should’ve been prepared for the attack and for the other attacker, and either avoided the situation altogether (just wait for them to leave from a distance), or been ready for a fight against both.

    That much is part of the situational awareness. It still doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t avoid a fight with such a low class element, because you absolutely should. Taking a picture might be a good idea, for example I once pretty foolishly took a photo of a smoking black Muslim in France onboard a train in a Paris suburb with a vibrant population (we took the wrong train), and he noticed and started talking in French, but didn’t attack. (I cannot stress enough that I shouldn’t have done anything: it’s not like I prevented the smoking or anything.)
  240. @Rosie

    I guess I am kind of a libertarian on clothes, within certain reason.
     
    There has only been one thing that has ever really bothered me: Girls with their bathing suits literally up their ass at a family pool where children are playing. Thankfully, I haven't seen this very often.

    My favorite place to take a dip are rural ponds and lakes. I don’t want to sound like a misanthrope, but it really is nice not having anyone around (usually.)

  241. @songbird

    Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity
     
    If I recall, Jared Diamond thinks that the reason that whites are less susceptible to type II diabetes is recent evolution. Essentially, Europeans were exposed to a greater abundance of food due to their more developed trade networks and the Columbian exchange, plus the Industrial Revolution, and the earlier changes that preceded it. People with early onset type II diabetes tended not to reproduce very well, so it changed the gene frequencies significantly. At least in theory, the rest of the world will go through the same transition, though modern medicine might alter the process somewhat.

    It is interesting that Diamond could have a viewpoint like that - relatively short term evolution - and still hold crazy ideas about Papua New Guineans being Übermenschen. Though, I believe he technically isn't a globalist.

    . Essentially, Europeans were exposed to a greater abundance of food due to their more developed trade networks and the Columbian exchange, plus the Industrial Revolution, and the earlier changes that preceded it.

    There were still frequent episodes of starvation up till the latter part of the 19th century in Europe.

    That’s really rapid evolution!

    • Replies: @songbird
    If Diamond's right, it must have been a pretty big reproductive advantage.

    Still, I'm not sure. He had that theory like 13 years ago or more. And there's been a lot of archaeogenetics since then. Should probably be testable by now, although it has a complicated genetic basis.

    One thing is for certain: susceptibilities to diabetes (type II) vary greatly, and Europeans don't seem to be very susceptible, at least on a comparative basis. When they do get it, they are usually old and not young.

  242. @Logan
    . Essentially, Europeans were exposed to a greater abundance of food due to their more developed trade networks and the Columbian exchange, plus the Industrial Revolution, and the earlier changes that preceded it.

    There were still frequent episodes of starvation up till the latter part of the 19th century in Europe.

    That's really rapid evolution!

    If Diamond’s right, it must have been a pretty big reproductive advantage.

    Still, I’m not sure. He had that theory like 13 years ago or more. And there’s been a lot of archaeogenetics since then. Should probably be testable by now, although it has a complicated genetic basis.

    One thing is for certain: susceptibilities to diabetes (type II) vary greatly, and Europeans don’t seem to be very susceptible, at least on a comparative basis. When they do get it, they are usually old and not young.

  243. @songbird
    I think it is kind of interesting to see the clothes women pick for themselves. To a certain degree, fashions that show more skin are pushed on them, but there is still some room for modesty.

    Tattoos on women are disgusting, but perhaps have important signaling value.

    One of the downsides of relaxed social norms on clothing is the globalization of clothes. For instance, the high penetration of English words on clothes, even to the ends of the Earth, or people making fun of others for not having the top American brand of jeans.

    globalization of clothes

    There’s still huge diversity between clothes cultures of different countries – if not in actual style or material of clothes, then in terms of standards and effort.

    Italy is extreme, aesthetic culture. For man in Italian culture, I believe (at least as how they look), still is expected to wear a clean suit to work without tomato stains, or to polish their shoes before they see their mama. And then they also are supposed to change their style for different situations – so wearing nikes is for going to the cafe, but not for expensive restaurant, etc.

    The opposite extreme nonaesthetic culture is Israel, which has aesthetic norms of third world peasants, where both sexes can walk in the street wearing pajamas, women often do not wear make up, do not care how they look, and people can go to the office with dirty shoes, do not have to shave, and, in general, the messier the appearance, the more you will look like a native.

    Intermediate is something like Russia or England, where there is general expectation and pressure for women to care about appearance, but not so much for men.

    Italian social obsession with aesthetics, results in attractive clothed people, and can be viewed as a higher form of civilization. On the other hand, it would surely be stressful to live in such a culture, adding additional work to your life.

    Even in startup events in Italy, people are wearing clean clothes and carefully groomed beards and girls all covered with makeup. Lol this stylish and carefully groom nerds – only in Italy.

    people making fun of others for not having the top American brand of jeans.

    Levis are just a good quality and well designed product, where people buy it not for fashion, but because of function.

    The fucked thing, is why they cost double the price outside America than inside.

  244. @Mikhail
    Regarding Mark Galeotti:

    http://johnhelmer.net/mark-galeotti-is-a-fact-faker-his-book-on-russian-crime-is-a-hate-crime-a-war-crime/

    He gets way too much play as evidenced in part by his RT appearances, only to then see him come back with an inaccurate JRL promoted Moscow Times hack piece about that station.

    Very interesting. From the little that I’ve have seen, it’s still easy to decipher that this guy is not a Russian “expert”. Apart from the clear anti-Russian stance it was the ridiculous use of Russian words of obvious English origin that this cretin was using to make him sound as if he was an expert in Russian!

    You know, like ” the Russians have this word for spreading dubious theories….. they call it дезинформация” – utterly ridiculous nonsense like that

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    Mark Galeotti has carried on like a troll, under the guise of an academic:

    https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/553627966841044993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E553628466990821378&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fakarlin%2Fopen-thread-89%2F

    In the instance Galeotti is referring to, he wasn't called a "Russophobe" (I tend not to use that word.) See:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/09/deconstructing-establishment-kremlinology/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/13012015-enigmatic-russia-detractors-analysis/

    Like a troll, Galeotti sidesteps my detailed remarks concerning his comments which I accurately presented. The John Helmer piece I linked further up this thread notes how Galeotti gets a fairly prime appointment (NYU et al) , only to then reappear somewhere else.

    According to Helmer, Galeotti had ties to the Brit Communist James Klugman, who framed pro-Tito/anti-Mihailovic propaganda.

    At present, Galeotti appears more likely to get on RT, when compared to Mark Sleboda, Helmer and yours truly.

    Galeotti's recent take on RT:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/09/02/why-i-talked-to-rt-a67100

    From a few years back a different POV on that station:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/29122014-with-room-for-improvement-rt-gives-time-to-diverse-views-analysis/

  245. @Philip Owen
    I have Amazon Prime. I even watched the video channel recently. They have a new subtitled Russian series available, золотая орда. It's very good for learners. The speaking is slow and deliberate. I think it is an attempt at majestic but it makes everything easy to follow. As usual, subtitles are not literal translations but help a lot. It is a marvellous exercise in perfective verbs. The characters are all reporting past events or plotting the future.

    The film doesn't claim historical accuracy. It is a Russian nationalist, especially Orthodox, narrative. The crowd and battle scenes are low budget. It is mostly intrigue. I guess the Russian TV audience is as feminised as in the US.

    I guess the Russian TV audience is as feminised as in the US.

    Probably more gays/extremely camp people on Russian tv, than there is on US tv.

  246. @songbird
    White South Africans are an interesting group. For once, I am going to agree with Bliss, and say that you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces. It is kind of startling to think about: most of the time it is a low amount like 2-3%, and a mix at that (Malay, Bushmen, and Bantu), but I swear, you still can often see it. Like take a good look at five men, and you will see it in at least one. Maybe, these people are a higher percentage admixture?

    But I concur in general: they are at least politically white, if not fully European. And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country's prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.

    Same lesson regarding America. Americans are just Europeans in North America, though many Europeans would like to think differently. In fact, Americans might be better situated, being further from Africa. Some think that America had no culture, and that is why it was susceptible. This is an error: it did have one.

    And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country’s prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.

    From what I have seen from my friends there, this applies just as much to the Indian population who have emigrated from South Africa, as it does to the white population. They say the exact same things. I would even guess that White-African intermarriage in South Africa is less rare than Indian-African.

    Many, many South African Indians are in UK, US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand ( i.e the exact same places that most of the white South Africans have emigrated to). Apart from some of those of Huguenot heritage going to France, none of the White South Africans have emigrated to Holland or continental Europe

    but despite all this, the white population in South Africa is still very stable in the years since the change of power…..compare that to a shithole like Ukraine.

  247. @Thorfinnsson
    I think that scenario is rather unlikely--let's just say it's bad luck.

    PeterAUS can speak for himself, but I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn't have come off so badly.

    As to what you should do in that situation, I would suggest before doing anything else that you take a photograph. If the person is menacing or has the possibility to be, perhaps just leave and come back. The hood of your car is already scratched after all and won't repair itself just because you tell the guy off or kick his ass (or get yourself beaten to a pulp).

    You're also not going to lose your bourgeois life over battery charges. Most bourgeois people overestimate how punitive the criminal justice system is, and they also overestimate how much other people care about you having a criminal record.

    I agree that his posturing is silly.

    ….I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn’t have come off so badly..

    Correct assumption.
    Not a friend, though; acquaintance.

    As for the rest of related blather here it’s good to see most of the people in this pub having no clue about the ritual of violence.
    Last time they faced something like that was, like..never. But they read about it.

    Just funny.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I guess you can now go report to your bosses that we didn’t take your bait and won’t commit acts of violence. As you have guessed correctly, we have never even thought of killing anything more dangerous than a hornet, and it’s unlikely to change. We’re not 20, after all.
  248. @Rosie

    Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right.
     
    Ballet seems "pure" to you now only because you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography.

    https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-sordid-truth-degass-ballet-dancers

    you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography

    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

    Perhaps due to his being a Swede, TF did not take offense but you might have gotten a different reaction.

    I any case, I really don’t know what some guys here are on about. It’s not that many women act slutty because we men “allow” them to. It’s that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn’t affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous

    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

     

    Rosie is a typical woman that is incapable of proper and serious thought. She's also clearly showed herself to be quite a female svidomist (that term sounds cooler than Feminist imo).

    I any case, I really don’t know what some guys here are on about. It’s not that many women act slutty because we men “allow” them to. It’s that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn’t affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?

     

    The part where some men have welcomed this, especially with the start of the Sexual Revolution in the USA from the 1960's and onward is true.

    However, you are wrong when you imply that men are getting lots of sex now. Young people, and especially men are now actually having less sex than ever. Just take a look at the statistics:

    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?noredirect=on

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

    Where do you think all the incels are coming from? Where do you think incel shooters like Elliot Roger come from?

    You've failed to understand the dynamics of sexual relationships between men and women on a large scale.

    Ideally, for one man, being able to fertilize as many women as possible with his seed is what is desirable on a primitive biological level as this is the most reliable way for a man to secure the continuation of his genetic legacy. A man can run into all sorts of problems with this, as until modern times and the availability of the appropriate technology, doubt always existed as to which man's seed that a given baby would be a product of.

    However, for a woman, when she is fertilized by a man, there is obviously no problem as to whether her genetic legacy has been continued onto a child she gives birth to. This obviously suggests different mating strategies between men and women. For women the issue involves getting access to the highest possible quality male seed while also making sure that a given man will commit by giving her his resources, security, attention and whatever so she can raise the offspring smoothly. However, to do this, women do not have to necessarily commit to one man to do this, instead they can cuckold a man they have found to deceive and take his resources under the illusion that the woman is raising his seed. In other cases, some men are so pathetic that they volunteer to give their resources and attention to single mothers who freely spend their time searching to be fertilized by the highest quality possible Alpha seed. Most people are not entirely conscious of this, but these are the basic natural instincts that drive their sexual behaviors.

    This is why a society cannot function when sexual access and reproduction are made upon the basis of female mating preferences. In order for a society to function, women must be made to settle for men that are roughly at their level of quality. That is, in terms of the typical rating of women from 1-10, men can also be rated the same, so whatever a woman's number, she must settle for a man with the same number. At least, this is normal, healthy and ensures societal functioning. Instead, what exists since the "sexual liberation" is that women are all allowed without any restraint to pursue a small amount of high quality/status men, "Chads", while deciding to ignore all the other men because they can and have the freedom to do so.

    As for what makes some men "Chads" or "Alpha" in the eyes of women while other men are either ignored or considered to be "Beta", is another matter. This dynamic and reality is best explained in Roger F Devlin's book, Sexual Utopia in Power. Unless anyone is interested in buying it (I believe the author has given his permission for the free download place?), here is a place where a free PDF download of it can be obtained:

    https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v6n2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf

    I've done my best to explain this in brief, but breaking the illusion that men get sexual access to women by being "nice", white knighting for women and coddling them with large amounts of their resources and attention is vital. It is vital because it helps men personally understand how best to engage in sexual mating or long term family formation with women but also it helps those who want to change society and increase birthrates. It is with good reason that I am dead serious about abolishing higher education for women and the importance of women needing to become the private property of men. When I came across this realization recently, my life has changed for the better.

  249. @Gerard2
    Very interesting. From the little that I've have seen, it's still easy to decipher that this guy is not a Russian "expert". Apart from the clear anti-Russian stance it was the ridiculous use of Russian words of obvious English origin that this cretin was using to make him sound as if he was an expert in Russian!

    You know, like " the Russians have this word for spreading dubious theories..... they call it дезинформация" - utterly ridiculous nonsense like that

    Mark Galeotti has carried on like a troll, under the guise of an academic:

    In the instance Galeotti is referring to, he wasn’t called a “Russophobe” (I tend not to use that word.) See:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/09/deconstructing-establishment-kremlinology/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/13012015-enigmatic-russia-detractors-analysis/

    Like a troll, Galeotti sidesteps my detailed remarks concerning his comments which I accurately presented. The John Helmer piece I linked further up this thread notes how Galeotti gets a fairly prime appointment (NYU et al) , only to then reappear somewhere else.

    According to Helmer, Galeotti had ties to the Brit Communist James Klugman, who framed pro-Tito/anti-Mihailovic propaganda.

    At present, Galeotti appears more likely to get on RT, when compared to Mark Sleboda, Helmer and yours truly.

    Galeotti’s recent take on RT:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/09/02/why-i-talked-to-rt-a67100

    From a few years back a different POV on that station:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/29122014-with-room-for-improvement-rt-gives-time-to-diverse-views-analysis/

  250. @Mikel

    you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography
     
    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

    Perhaps due to his being a Swede, TF did not take offense but you might have gotten a different reaction.

    I any case, I really don't know what some guys here are on about. It's not that many women act slutty because we men "allow" them to. It's that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn't affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?

    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

    Rosie is a typical woman that is incapable of proper and serious thought. She’s also clearly showed herself to be quite a female svidomist (that term sounds cooler than Feminist imo).

    I any case, I really don’t know what some guys here are on about. It’s not that many women act slutty because we men “allow” them to. It’s that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn’t affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?

    The part where some men have welcomed this, especially with the start of the Sexual Revolution in the USA from the 1960’s and onward is true.

    However, you are wrong when you imply that men are getting lots of sex now. Young people, and especially men are now actually having less sex than ever. Just take a look at the statistics:

    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?noredirect=on

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

    Where do you think all the incels are coming from? Where do you think incel shooters like Elliot Roger come from?

    You’ve failed to understand the dynamics of sexual relationships between men and women on a large scale.

    Ideally, for one man, being able to fertilize as many women as possible with his seed is what is desirable on a primitive biological level as this is the most reliable way for a man to secure the continuation of his genetic legacy. A man can run into all sorts of problems with this, as until modern times and the availability of the appropriate technology, doubt always existed as to which man’s seed that a given baby would be a product of.

    However, for a woman, when she is fertilized by a man, there is obviously no problem as to whether her genetic legacy has been continued onto a child she gives birth to. This obviously suggests different mating strategies between men and women. For women the issue involves getting access to the highest possible quality male seed while also making sure that a given man will commit by giving her his resources, security, attention and whatever so she can raise the offspring smoothly. However, to do this, women do not have to necessarily commit to one man to do this, instead they can cuckold a man they have found to deceive and take his resources under the illusion that the woman is raising his seed. In other cases, some men are so pathetic that they volunteer to give their resources and attention to single mothers who freely spend their time searching to be fertilized by the highest quality possible Alpha seed. Most people are not entirely conscious of this, but these are the basic natural instincts that drive their sexual behaviors.

    This is why a society cannot function when sexual access and reproduction are made upon the basis of female mating preferences. In order for a society to function, women must be made to settle for men that are roughly at their level of quality. That is, in terms of the typical rating of women from 1-10, men can also be rated the same, so whatever a woman’s number, she must settle for a man with the same number. At least, this is normal, healthy and ensures societal functioning. Instead, what exists since the “sexual liberation” is that women are all allowed without any restraint to pursue a small amount of high quality/status men, “Chads”, while deciding to ignore all the other men because they can and have the freedom to do so.

    As for what makes some men “Chads” or “Alpha” in the eyes of women while other men are either ignored or considered to be “Beta”, is another matter. This dynamic and reality is best explained in Roger F Devlin’s book, Sexual Utopia in Power. Unless anyone is interested in buying it (I believe the author has given his permission for the free download place?), here is a place where a free PDF download of it can be obtained:

    https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v6n2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf

    I’ve done my best to explain this in brief, but breaking the illusion that men get sexual access to women by being “nice”, white knighting for women and coddling them with large amounts of their resources and attention is vital. It is vital because it helps men personally understand how best to engage in sexual mating or long term family formation with women but also it helps those who want to change society and increase birthrates. It is with good reason that I am dead serious about abolishing higher education for women and the importance of women needing to become the private property of men. When I came across this realization recently, my life has changed for the better.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous


    Oh, by the way, Saint Elliot did nothing wrong!


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    , @AP
    This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter "incel" (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.
    , @Mikel

    Young people, and especially men are now actually having less sex than ever.
     
    I doubt that is true. For the average (or above-average) man mating with multiple partners has become much more likely than it would have been had there been no female "sexual liberation". And we all know some below average-looking men who have developed successful alternative strategies to attract women out of necessity. Moreover, dating skills, that were of paramount importance when I was a teenager, have become much less important due to the internet and dating apps.

    I do tend to see a certain evolution among the youngest generations towards a more conservative approach to sexual relations than was common in my youth (during the aftermath of the sexual revolution) but that is, if anything, a recent phenomenon not directly linked to lack of opportunities (even more so in societies mature enough to decriminalize prostitution).


    In order for a society to function, women must be made to settle for men that are roughly at their level of quality.
     
    This is pretty much what ends up happening if you just leave things alone. But it is debatable that this is the ideal outcome from a societal perspective. On the one hand, stable families are an unquestionable benefit for our civilized way of life. On the other hand, having alpha males reproduce at a higher rate than the rest is more eugenic.

    In the small rural communities of Fundamentalist Mormons in the Western USA they still practice the organized mating of so-called "seeders", who are chosen by the Church to impregnate women married to other men. Unfortunately, these communities are nowadays so small that they have become affected by consanguinity problems. But I live surrounded by Mormons who were subject to this sort of practices during generations and my impression is that they built a very well functioning society of healthy and good-looking individuals.

  251. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

     

    Rosie is a typical woman that is incapable of proper and serious thought. She's also clearly showed herself to be quite a female svidomist (that term sounds cooler than Feminist imo).

    I any case, I really don’t know what some guys here are on about. It’s not that many women act slutty because we men “allow” them to. It’s that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn’t affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?

     

    The part where some men have welcomed this, especially with the start of the Sexual Revolution in the USA from the 1960's and onward is true.

    However, you are wrong when you imply that men are getting lots of sex now. Young people, and especially men are now actually having less sex than ever. Just take a look at the statistics:

    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?noredirect=on

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

    Where do you think all the incels are coming from? Where do you think incel shooters like Elliot Roger come from?

    You've failed to understand the dynamics of sexual relationships between men and women on a large scale.

    Ideally, for one man, being able to fertilize as many women as possible with his seed is what is desirable on a primitive biological level as this is the most reliable way for a man to secure the continuation of his genetic legacy. A man can run into all sorts of problems with this, as until modern times and the availability of the appropriate technology, doubt always existed as to which man's seed that a given baby would be a product of.

    However, for a woman, when she is fertilized by a man, there is obviously no problem as to whether her genetic legacy has been continued onto a child she gives birth to. This obviously suggests different mating strategies between men and women. For women the issue involves getting access to the highest possible quality male seed while also making sure that a given man will commit by giving her his resources, security, attention and whatever so she can raise the offspring smoothly. However, to do this, women do not have to necessarily commit to one man to do this, instead they can cuckold a man they have found to deceive and take his resources under the illusion that the woman is raising his seed. In other cases, some men are so pathetic that they volunteer to give their resources and attention to single mothers who freely spend their time searching to be fertilized by the highest quality possible Alpha seed. Most people are not entirely conscious of this, but these are the basic natural instincts that drive their sexual behaviors.

    This is why a society cannot function when sexual access and reproduction are made upon the basis of female mating preferences. In order for a society to function, women must be made to settle for men that are roughly at their level of quality. That is, in terms of the typical rating of women from 1-10, men can also be rated the same, so whatever a woman's number, she must settle for a man with the same number. At least, this is normal, healthy and ensures societal functioning. Instead, what exists since the "sexual liberation" is that women are all allowed without any restraint to pursue a small amount of high quality/status men, "Chads", while deciding to ignore all the other men because they can and have the freedom to do so.

    As for what makes some men "Chads" or "Alpha" in the eyes of women while other men are either ignored or considered to be "Beta", is another matter. This dynamic and reality is best explained in Roger F Devlin's book, Sexual Utopia in Power. Unless anyone is interested in buying it (I believe the author has given his permission for the free download place?), here is a place where a free PDF download of it can be obtained:

    https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v6n2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf

    I've done my best to explain this in brief, but breaking the illusion that men get sexual access to women by being "nice", white knighting for women and coddling them with large amounts of their resources and attention is vital. It is vital because it helps men personally understand how best to engage in sexual mating or long term family formation with women but also it helps those who want to change society and increase birthrates. It is with good reason that I am dead serious about abolishing higher education for women and the importance of women needing to become the private property of men. When I came across this realization recently, my life has changed for the better.

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    Oh, by the way, Saint Elliot did nothing wrong!

    • Replies: @Anonymoose
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    Excellent take down of Meghan McCain, Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg:

    Pamela Anderson is no dumb blonde.

  253. @Thorfinnsson
    I think that scenario is rather unlikely--let's just say it's bad luck.

    PeterAUS can speak for himself, but I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn't have come off so badly.

    As to what you should do in that situation, I would suggest before doing anything else that you take a photograph. If the person is menacing or has the possibility to be, perhaps just leave and come back. The hood of your car is already scratched after all and won't repair itself just because you tell the guy off or kick his ass (or get yourself beaten to a pulp).

    You're also not going to lose your bourgeois life over battery charges. Most bourgeois people overestimate how punitive the criminal justice system is, and they also overestimate how much other people care about you having a criminal record.

    I agree that his posturing is silly.

    I think his point was that someone sitting on the hood of your car is actually looking for a fight. When noticing it, you should immediately be aware that the guy is pretty likely looking for an excuse to attack you. It’s also possible he’s not alone. So he should’ve been prepared for the attack and for the other attacker, and either avoided the situation altogether (just wait for them to leave from a distance), or been ready for a fight against both.

    That much is part of the situational awareness. It still doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t avoid a fight with such a low class element, because you absolutely should. Taking a picture might be a good idea, for example I once pretty foolishly took a photo of a smoking black Muslim in France onboard a train in a Paris suburb with a vibrant population (we took the wrong train), and he noticed and started talking in French, but didn’t attack. (I cannot stress enough that I shouldn’t have done anything: it’s not like I prevented the smoking or anything.)

  254. @peterAUS

    ....I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn’t have come off so badly..
     
    Correct assumption.
    Not a friend, though; acquaintance.

    As for the rest of related blather here it's good to see most of the people in this pub having no clue about the ritual of violence.
    Last time they faced something like that was, like..never. But they read about it.

    Just funny.

    I guess you can now go report to your bosses that we didn’t take your bait and won’t commit acts of violence. As you have guessed correctly, we have never even thought of killing anything more dangerous than a hornet, and it’s unlikely to change. We’re not 20, after all.

    • Replies: @Brutis
    Violence is my religion.
    , @peterAUS
    Classic cuckservative. Soft, weak, moderately dumb, with zero practical social intelligence.
    Added to the list.
  255. @Thulean Friend
    So I am quite amused by this thread. On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say. Meanwhile:

    https://i.imgur.com/nTe0Z6k.jpg

    The point I'm making is that people who care about the social norms in any given society are the ones who will shape it. Trannies are being pushed today by the same people who started a lot of the negative social trends decades earlier. Fatalism/passive acceptance or ironybro posting is not an answer to any of this.

    The problem is that traditional family-centered societies tend to end in a cul-de-sac. More and more virtue leads to a natural counter-reaction. I don’t defend it and it is not fatalism, we just need to be aware that dynamic exists.

    I am not quite sure why it is, but it always seems to happen over time. It happens when prosperity rises (Sweden in the 70’s-90′, or Canada), but it also happens when societies are economically collapsing (Russia in the 90’s or Weimar Germany).

    I would like a society where families with children are heavily preferred, divorce is limited, and abnormal behaviors are pushed to the margins. But we had societies like that and they turned out to be unstable. One of the side effects of many traditional societies is men behaving badly. It has certain appeal to me, but let’s not fool ourselves, that is also very destructive.

    • Replies: @AP

    I would like a society where families with children are heavily preferred, divorce is limited, and abnormal behaviors are pushed to the margins. But we had societies like that and they turned out to be unstable
     
    They were stable for over a thousand years. In terms of social norms and customs, "Christendom" probably stabilized around 700, and became unstable in the 18th century (on a societal level the disease started in France, then spread from there).
  256. @reiner Tor
    I guess you can now go report to your bosses that we didn’t take your bait and won’t commit acts of violence. As you have guessed correctly, we have never even thought of killing anything more dangerous than a hornet, and it’s unlikely to change. We’re not 20, after all.

    Violence is my religion.

  257. @peterAUS

    Your situation also sucks because no average looking or anyone period is going to do that.
     
    Hahahaha...."anyone period"? Do what? Smash you into the ground because he is simply looking for a fight? Hahaha........
    Warrior a?
    Oh my.

    You guys really have to go out more.

    You’re a fucking christcuck don’t you dare talk about Warriorship LOL!

    • Replies: @AP
    When Europeans were Christians they were the most formidable warriors in history, conquering almost the entire world. Does this hurt you?
  258. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

     

    Rosie is a typical woman that is incapable of proper and serious thought. She's also clearly showed herself to be quite a female svidomist (that term sounds cooler than Feminist imo).

    I any case, I really don’t know what some guys here are on about. It’s not that many women act slutty because we men “allow” them to. It’s that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn’t affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?

     

    The part where some men have welcomed this, especially with the start of the Sexual Revolution in the USA from the 1960's and onward is true.

    However, you are wrong when you imply that men are getting lots of sex now. Young people, and especially men are now actually having less sex than ever. Just take a look at the statistics:

    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?noredirect=on

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

    Where do you think all the incels are coming from? Where do you think incel shooters like Elliot Roger come from?

    You've failed to understand the dynamics of sexual relationships between men and women on a large scale.

    Ideally, for one man, being able to fertilize as many women as possible with his seed is what is desirable on a primitive biological level as this is the most reliable way for a man to secure the continuation of his genetic legacy. A man can run into all sorts of problems with this, as until modern times and the availability of the appropriate technology, doubt always existed as to which man's seed that a given baby would be a product of.

    However, for a woman, when she is fertilized by a man, there is obviously no problem as to whether her genetic legacy has been continued onto a child she gives birth to. This obviously suggests different mating strategies between men and women. For women the issue involves getting access to the highest possible quality male seed while also making sure that a given man will commit by giving her his resources, security, attention and whatever so she can raise the offspring smoothly. However, to do this, women do not have to necessarily commit to one man to do this, instead they can cuckold a man they have found to deceive and take his resources under the illusion that the woman is raising his seed. In other cases, some men are so pathetic that they volunteer to give their resources and attention to single mothers who freely spend their time searching to be fertilized by the highest quality possible Alpha seed. Most people are not entirely conscious of this, but these are the basic natural instincts that drive their sexual behaviors.

    This is why a society cannot function when sexual access and reproduction are made upon the basis of female mating preferences. In order for a society to function, women must be made to settle for men that are roughly at their level of quality. That is, in terms of the typical rating of women from 1-10, men can also be rated the same, so whatever a woman's number, she must settle for a man with the same number. At least, this is normal, healthy and ensures societal functioning. Instead, what exists since the "sexual liberation" is that women are all allowed without any restraint to pursue a small amount of high quality/status men, "Chads", while deciding to ignore all the other men because they can and have the freedom to do so.

    As for what makes some men "Chads" or "Alpha" in the eyes of women while other men are either ignored or considered to be "Beta", is another matter. This dynamic and reality is best explained in Roger F Devlin's book, Sexual Utopia in Power. Unless anyone is interested in buying it (I believe the author has given his permission for the free download place?), here is a place where a free PDF download of it can be obtained:

    https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v6n2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf

    I've done my best to explain this in brief, but breaking the illusion that men get sexual access to women by being "nice", white knighting for women and coddling them with large amounts of their resources and attention is vital. It is vital because it helps men personally understand how best to engage in sexual mating or long term family formation with women but also it helps those who want to change society and increase birthrates. It is with good reason that I am dead serious about abolishing higher education for women and the importance of women needing to become the private property of men. When I came across this realization recently, my life has changed for the better.

    This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter “incel” (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.

    • Replies: @Brutis
    You're a christcuck Khohol who's ready to stab his fellow Saka Slav in the back for some Anglo Shekels.

    You don't get to make fun of the brave Serbs while you sit in America funding Zog to make Bns impregnate other species.

    You literally have less money as a country than Pajeets now. Go hang out in a corner with Moldova & Afghanistan as the armpit & bumhole of Eurasia.

    Liberals have Darth Mol
    Christcucks have Simon Mol

    LOLOLOL

    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1085552242512412672

    What shame & despicablility have you brought to our race??

    Do you ever think when you bow in front of the jew what he has ever brought to you??

    We were once rulers of this earth, and today men made of brittle mud with foreign ways make bids upon our women and motherland.

    SHAME ON YOU HOHOL
    , @TheTotallyAnonymous

    This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter “incel” (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.

     

    You took the incel and Saint Elliot part too seriously lol. Maybe I should've clarified that I was just joking with Rodger Eliot. Still, if you bothered to read the pdf I linked with Roger F Devlin, you would see that what I was writing about had serious value. In this way, you are only showing your seething contempt for me without bothering to seriously analyze the content of my words or the potential merits behind them.

    As for me being a poor and troublesome "Balkanoid" emigrant, I should clarify that the decision on emigration was not my choice since I was too young to decide about it at the time. Anyway, if my presence as a "Balkanoid" in whatever Western country bothers you so much, maybe I should start up a "Poor Balkanoid Fund" on Paypal or Patreon where you and Thorfinsson can donate money to have this "Balkanoid" leave the West for his place of origin, since my presence here is bothersome for you guys. After all, Thorfinsson is apparently some kind of factory owner, meaning that if anyone could contribute to "Balkanoid" repatriation, it would be him.
  259. @Beckow
    The problem is that traditional family-centered societies tend to end in a cul-de-sac. More and more virtue leads to a natural counter-reaction. I don't defend it and it is not fatalism, we just need to be aware that dynamic exists.

    I am not quite sure why it is, but it always seems to happen over time. It happens when prosperity rises (Sweden in the 70's-90', or Canada), but it also happens when societies are economically collapsing (Russia in the 90's or Weimar Germany).

    I would like a society where families with children are heavily preferred, divorce is limited, and abnormal behaviors are pushed to the margins. But we had societies like that and they turned out to be unstable. One of the side effects of many traditional societies is men behaving badly. It has certain appeal to me, but let's not fool ourselves, that is also very destructive.

    I would like a society where families with children are heavily preferred, divorce is limited, and abnormal behaviors are pushed to the margins. But we had societies like that and they turned out to be unstable

    They were stable for over a thousand years. In terms of social norms and customs, “Christendom” probably stabilized around 700, and became unstable in the 18th century (on a societal level the disease started in France, then spread from there).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    I am a fan of middle ages, but in this case my timeframe was more recent. There seems to be an inevitable 'liberal' reaction after a few generations in most traditional societies. It is currently raging completely out of control in the West, but the initial impulse was not all bad. Whatever it is, we need to accommodate it. (I am on the record as being opposed to chastity belts.)
  260. @AP
    This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter "incel" (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.

    You’re a christcuck Khohol who’s ready to stab his fellow Saka Slav in the back for some Anglo Shekels.

    You don’t get to make fun of the brave Serbs while you sit in America funding Zog to make Bns impregnate other species.

    You literally have less money as a country than Pajeets now. Go hang out in a corner with Moldova & Afghanistan as the armpit & bumhole of Eurasia.

    Liberals have Darth Mol
    Christcucks have Simon Mol

    LOLOLOL

    What shame & despicablility have you brought to our race??

    Do you ever think when you bow in front of the jew what he has ever brought to you??

    We were once rulers of this earth, and today men made of brittle mud with foreign ways make bids upon our women and motherland.

    SHAME ON YOU HOHOL

    • Replies: @AP
    Serbs aren't Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians. I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

    Are you from India? That would be very funny but not surprising.

    Ukraine competes with Belarus as being the whitest country in the world. Is that why you hate it?

    , @Daniel Chieh
    Upvoted for Powerful Truths.
  261. @Brutis
    You're a christcuck Khohol who's ready to stab his fellow Saka Slav in the back for some Anglo Shekels.

    You don't get to make fun of the brave Serbs while you sit in America funding Zog to make Bns impregnate other species.

    You literally have less money as a country than Pajeets now. Go hang out in a corner with Moldova & Afghanistan as the armpit & bumhole of Eurasia.

    Liberals have Darth Mol
    Christcucks have Simon Mol

    LOLOLOL

    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1085552242512412672

    What shame & despicablility have you brought to our race??

    Do you ever think when you bow in front of the jew what he has ever brought to you??

    We were once rulers of this earth, and today men made of brittle mud with foreign ways make bids upon our women and motherland.

    SHAME ON YOU HOHOL

    Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians. I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

    Are you from India? That would be very funny but not surprising.

    Ukraine competes with Belarus as being the whitest country in the world. Is that why you hate it?

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians.
     
    Albanians don't speak any form of Slavic language and qualify as a significantly different form of "Balkanoid" compared to Serbs. The proper name of Albanians is Shiptars, or Shqiptars, by the way.

    I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them
     
    Cool, thanks.

    but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

     

    Would you care to explain how? That is, in any form beyond your WW1 historical revisionism.
    , @Brutis
    Nigga, what hurts me is you haven't made Slaves of everyone past Berlin yet.

    Why the fuck did you stop?

    What hurts me is that a single Turk takes breath on this Earth.

    Men looking Pasty is feminine do you think I care that you can make piss water out of Potatoes or let an Anglo fuck your wife for E-Fame Khohol?
    , @melanf

    Serbs aren’t Slavs,
     
    https://i.playground.ru/i/pix/372869/image.jpg
    , @Denis

    Ukraine competes with Belarus as being the whitest country in the world.
     
    Not sure about that, but it definitely competes with Israel for having the most jewish politicians.
  262. @Brutis
    You're a fucking christcuck don't you dare talk about Warriorship LOL!

    When Europeans were Christians they were the most formidable warriors in history, conquering almost the entire world. Does this hurt you?

    • Replies: @Brutis
    Conquering a bunch of stone age tribes and then helping save the Turks from destruction.

    Does the Anglo cock taste good Khohol?
  263. @AP
    This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter "incel" (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.

    This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter “incel” (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.

    You took the incel and Saint Elliot part too seriously lol. Maybe I should’ve clarified that I was just joking with Rodger Eliot. Still, if you bothered to read the pdf I linked with Roger F Devlin, you would see that what I was writing about had serious value. In this way, you are only showing your seething contempt for me without bothering to seriously analyze the content of my words or the potential merits behind them.

    As for me being a poor and troublesome “Balkanoid” emigrant, I should clarify that the decision on emigration was not my choice since I was too young to decide about it at the time. Anyway, if my presence as a “Balkanoid” in whatever Western country bothers you so much, maybe I should start up a “Poor Balkanoid Fund” on Paypal or Patreon where you and Thorfinsson can donate money to have this “Balkanoid” leave the West for his place of origin, since my presence here is bothersome for you guys. After all, Thorfinsson is apparently some kind of factory owner, meaning that if anyone could contribute to “Balkanoid” repatriation, it would be him.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Maybe I should’ve clarified that I was just joking with Rodger Eliot.
     
    It's not that funny since he really did kill several people (some of them in an exceedingly brutal and personal manner, he bludgeoned his Chinese roommates to death with a hammer).
    And when one watches his videos (which would be unintentionally hilarious with their excessive self-pity, if one didn't know the context), it's pretty clear that he had a major personality disorder of the narcissist kind. I don't think the guy was in any sense a victim of society or of women, he just wasn't quite right in the head. Maybe there are factors in modern society like general atomization or increasing use of antidepressants which increase the likelihood of something like this. But blaming it on the sexual behaviour of women is rather misguided imo, as is the incel movement in general.
  264. @AP
    Serbs aren't Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians. I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

    Are you from India? That would be very funny but not surprising.

    Ukraine competes with Belarus as being the whitest country in the world. Is that why you hate it?

    Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians.

    Albanians don’t speak any form of Slavic language and qualify as a significantly different form of “Balkanoid” compared to Serbs. The proper name of Albanians is Shiptars, or Shqiptars, by the way.

    I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them

    Cool, thanks.

    but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

    Would you care to explain how? That is, in any form beyond your WW1 historical revisionism.

    • Replies: @AP

    Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians.

    Albanians don’t speak any form of Slavic language and qualify as a significantly different form of “Balkanoid” compared to Serbs.
     

    Okay, the lack of clarity was my fault.

    Serbs are Balkan people, like Albanians, but unlike Albanians they have been "Slavicized" linguistically. Culturally, only to an extent.

    To be even more precise: Serbs are about 25% Slavic by descent, and speak a Slavic language and share religion with Eastern Slavs (but not Western Slavs). Serb relationship to Slavs is analogous to African-American relationship with Europeans. African-Americans are about 20% European by descent, speak a European language and have a European religion. So if Albanians are Congolese or Nigerians, Serbs are African-Americans.

    When America resettled African-Americans in Africa they took over the pure Africans, treated them like slaves, and created a quasi-American state, Liberia (the African-Americans were more civilized after all). In comparison to Albania, Serbia is kind of like a "Slavic" Liberia in the Balkans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americo-Liberians

  265. @Brutis
    You're a christcuck Khohol who's ready to stab his fellow Saka Slav in the back for some Anglo Shekels.

    You don't get to make fun of the brave Serbs while you sit in America funding Zog to make Bns impregnate other species.

    You literally have less money as a country than Pajeets now. Go hang out in a corner with Moldova & Afghanistan as the armpit & bumhole of Eurasia.

    Liberals have Darth Mol
    Christcucks have Simon Mol

    LOLOLOL

    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1085552242512412672

    What shame & despicablility have you brought to our race??

    Do you ever think when you bow in front of the jew what he has ever brought to you??

    We were once rulers of this earth, and today men made of brittle mud with foreign ways make bids upon our women and motherland.

    SHAME ON YOU HOHOL

    Upvoted for Powerful Truths.

  266. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians.
     
    Albanians don't speak any form of Slavic language and qualify as a significantly different form of "Balkanoid" compared to Serbs. The proper name of Albanians is Shiptars, or Shqiptars, by the way.

    I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them
     
    Cool, thanks.

    but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

     

    Would you care to explain how? That is, in any form beyond your WW1 historical revisionism.

    Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians.

    Albanians don’t speak any form of Slavic language and qualify as a significantly different form of “Balkanoid” compared to Serbs.

    Okay, the lack of clarity was my fault.

    Serbs are Balkan people, like Albanians, but unlike Albanians they have been “Slavicized” linguistically. Culturally, only to an extent.

    To be even more precise: Serbs are about 25% Slavic by descent, and speak a Slavic language and share religion with Eastern Slavs (but not Western Slavs). Serb relationship to Slavs is analogous to African-American relationship with Europeans. African-Americans are about 20% European by descent, speak a European language and have a European religion. So if Albanians are Congolese or Nigerians, Serbs are African-Americans.

    When America resettled African-Americans in Africa they took over the pure Africans, treated them like slaves, and created a quasi-American state, Liberia (the African-Americans were more civilized after all). In comparison to Albania, Serbia is kind of like a “Slavic” Liberia in the Balkans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americo-Liberians

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Okay, the lack of clarity was my fault.

     

    All good.

    When America resettled African-Americans in Africa they took over the pure Africans, treated them like slaves, and created a quasi-American state, Liberia (the African-Americans were more civilized after all). In comparison to Albania, Serbia is kind of like a “Slavic” Liberia in the Balkans.

     

    Unfortunately for you, there are a few basic facts that completely shatter this falsehood you have imagined. That is, Medieval Serbia under the Nemanjic Dynasty. Especially in the first half of the 14th century. The Serbian Nemanjic Dynasty were the first elites on the European content to eat with forks, knives and spoons compared to the Western Euros you worship. Early 14th century Serbia also had it's capital cities located in Raska and Novo Brdo in Kosovo that were extremely wealthy in minerals. The population of Raska and Novo Brdo (this one is unfortunately infested with Shiptars today since it is on Kosovo), though only into a few tens of thousands of people, was just as large, if not even more so, than their medieval equivalents in London and Paris. Serbia also had tracts of fertile agricultural land, with wine being one of the most notable exports of Medieval Serbia. Medieval Serbia also had one of the strongest armies in Europe with well renowned knights and heavy cavalry as it managed to successfully defeat the large powers of its time in wars and battles, Hungary, Byzantium, Venice and Bulgaria (Even the feared Ottomans in a few engagements by the end of the 14th century). Really, in this time period, Serbia was at a level as comparable if not even superior to the European states of its time. Bulgaria was also vassalized to Serbia for a short time period in the early 14th century as well. Tsar Stefan Dusan made Serbia extend from modern and central Serbia through all of modern Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia (even including the Greek part) up to around Thessaly and Epirus.

    The problem with Medieval Serbia was that after the death of Tsar Stefan Dusan (he was poisoned by a Greek/Byzantine doctor) in 1355, Serbia fell apart into civil war in a similar manner to the Frankish Kingdom in the 9th century. The problem with this is that the timing was horrible as it happened exactly as the Turks began crossing into the Balkans through the rump Byzantine Empire. Two elite Serbian noble brothers Vukasin and Ugljesa Mrnjavcevic along with many others marched out to meet the Turks in front of modern day Edirne at the Battle of Maritsa in 1371. Since they outnumbered the Turks, the Turkish Pasha falsely promised to surrender the keys to the city to them, but at night, he launched a surprise attack to slaughter the Serbian army that was sleeping. Apparently they felt so confident in themselves that they did not even bother to put up proper patrols and night shifts to guard the camp which is why they got so easily slaughtered and massacred by the Turks, since after all, the Turks are obviously not known for their trustworthiness. Anyway, this is at least how the official historiography of that battle goes since from that moment, Serbia became a secondary state and any capacity it had to grow into a great and powerful European country, or world power, died there and then basically for eternity (Maybe with Stefan Dusan's death?). The Turks have permanently ruined the whole Balkans since the late 14th century (the fate of the Balkans then depended mostly on Serbia) until 1913 with their many centuries of Islamic barbarism, arbitrary violence and overall backwardness. The problem with not just Serbia, but countries in the Balkans and East Europe in general, is that even small errors, mistakes, setbacks or simply pure bad luck are usually permanent death blows which completely ruin these countries' and peoples' capacity to be on the world stage of great powers (this possibility died centuries ago) or even secondary powers, which is the highest they can realistically hope to achieve.

    By the way, in modern Serbia before WW1, Serbia was actually more economically prosperous than Switzerland as it was a well known phenomenon that Swiss guest workers, notably maids, would come to work in Serbia for money from wealthy families (so common that it features in a play of Branislav Nusic). Unfortunately, today it is the other way around.

    As for the Serb-Albanian relationship, in a 15th century Ottoman census it clearly showed that Serbs were the overwhelming majority population of Kosovo with there being a tiny Shiptar population. In fact, current "Albanian" cities such as Ishkodra (more properly called Skadar) were completely Serbian in this time period. As for Shiptars in general, the overwhelming amount of historical evidence points to the fakeness of their country, national identity and artificial non-native presence in the Balkans. The evidence that Shiptars migrated to the Balkans in the mid-Feudal ages is overwhelming (that is, after the supposed Slav migration of the 7th century, if you buy the Berlin-Vienna thesis for Serbs). Therefore, with the exception of Northern Epirus, all of modern day Albania is rightfully Serbian land inhabited by majority Muslim alien barbarians, not just Kosovo and parts of Monkeydonia.

  267. @AP
    When Europeans were Christians they were the most formidable warriors in history, conquering almost the entire world. Does this hurt you?

    Conquering a bunch of stone age tribes and then helping save the Turks from destruction.

    Does the Anglo cock taste good Khohol?

  268. @AP
    Serbs aren't Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians. I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

    Are you from India? That would be very funny but not surprising.

    Ukraine competes with Belarus as being the whitest country in the world. Is that why you hate it?

    Nigga, what hurts me is you haven’t made Slaves of everyone past Berlin yet.

    Why the fuck did you stop?

    What hurts me is that a single Turk takes breath on this Earth.

    Men looking Pasty is feminine do you think I care that you can make piss water out of Potatoes or let an Anglo fuck your wife for E-Fame Khohol?

    • Replies: @AP
    You have a strange preoccupation with cocks and Anglos. As an English-speaking Indian what does this say about your personal experiences?
  269. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter “incel” (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.

     

    You took the incel and Saint Elliot part too seriously lol. Maybe I should've clarified that I was just joking with Rodger Eliot. Still, if you bothered to read the pdf I linked with Roger F Devlin, you would see that what I was writing about had serious value. In this way, you are only showing your seething contempt for me without bothering to seriously analyze the content of my words or the potential merits behind them.

    As for me being a poor and troublesome "Balkanoid" emigrant, I should clarify that the decision on emigration was not my choice since I was too young to decide about it at the time. Anyway, if my presence as a "Balkanoid" in whatever Western country bothers you so much, maybe I should start up a "Poor Balkanoid Fund" on Paypal or Patreon where you and Thorfinsson can donate money to have this "Balkanoid" leave the West for his place of origin, since my presence here is bothersome for you guys. After all, Thorfinsson is apparently some kind of factory owner, meaning that if anyone could contribute to "Balkanoid" repatriation, it would be him.

    Maybe I should’ve clarified that I was just joking with Rodger Eliot.

    It’s not that funny since he really did kill several people (some of them in an exceedingly brutal and personal manner, he bludgeoned his Chinese roommates to death with a hammer).
    And when one watches his videos (which would be unintentionally hilarious with their excessive self-pity, if one didn’t know the context), it’s pretty clear that he had a major personality disorder of the narcissist kind. I don’t think the guy was in any sense a victim of society or of women, he just wasn’t quite right in the head. Maybe there are factors in modern society like general atomization or increasing use of antidepressants which increase the likelihood of something like this. But blaming it on the sexual behaviour of women is rather misguided imo, as is the incel movement in general.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    Hopefully he has at least served to dissuade some European men having children with Chinese women
  270. @AP

    Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians.

    Albanians don’t speak any form of Slavic language and qualify as a significantly different form of “Balkanoid” compared to Serbs.
     

    Okay, the lack of clarity was my fault.

    Serbs are Balkan people, like Albanians, but unlike Albanians they have been "Slavicized" linguistically. Culturally, only to an extent.

    To be even more precise: Serbs are about 25% Slavic by descent, and speak a Slavic language and share religion with Eastern Slavs (but not Western Slavs). Serb relationship to Slavs is analogous to African-American relationship with Europeans. African-Americans are about 20% European by descent, speak a European language and have a European religion. So if Albanians are Congolese or Nigerians, Serbs are African-Americans.

    When America resettled African-Americans in Africa they took over the pure Africans, treated them like slaves, and created a quasi-American state, Liberia (the African-Americans were more civilized after all). In comparison to Albania, Serbia is kind of like a "Slavic" Liberia in the Balkans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americo-Liberians

    Okay, the lack of clarity was my fault.

    All good.

    When America resettled African-Americans in Africa they took over the pure Africans, treated them like slaves, and created a quasi-American state, Liberia (the African-Americans were more civilized after all). In comparison to Albania, Serbia is kind of like a “Slavic” Liberia in the Balkans.

    Unfortunately for you, there are a few basic facts that completely shatter this falsehood you have imagined. That is, Medieval Serbia under the Nemanjic Dynasty. Especially in the first half of the 14th century. The Serbian Nemanjic Dynasty were the first elites on the European content to eat with forks, knives and spoons compared to the Western Euros you worship. Early 14th century Serbia also had it’s capital cities located in Raska and Novo Brdo in Kosovo that were extremely wealthy in minerals. The population of Raska and Novo Brdo (this one is unfortunately infested with Shiptars today since it is on Kosovo), though only into a few tens of thousands of people, was just as large, if not even more so, than their medieval equivalents in London and Paris. Serbia also had tracts of fertile agricultural land, with wine being one of the most notable exports of Medieval Serbia. Medieval Serbia also had one of the strongest armies in Europe with well renowned knights and heavy cavalry as it managed to successfully defeat the large powers of its time in wars and battles, Hungary, Byzantium, Venice and Bulgaria (Even the feared Ottomans in a few engagements by the end of the 14th century). Really, in this time period, Serbia was at a level as comparable if not even superior to the European states of its time. Bulgaria was also vassalized to Serbia for a short time period in the early 14th century as well. Tsar Stefan Dusan made Serbia extend from modern and central Serbia through all of modern Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia (even including the Greek part) up to around Thessaly and Epirus.

    The problem with Medieval Serbia was that after the death of Tsar Stefan Dusan (he was poisoned by a Greek/Byzantine doctor) in 1355, Serbia fell apart into civil war in a similar manner to the Frankish Kingdom in the 9th century. The problem with this is that the timing was horrible as it happened exactly as the Turks began crossing into the Balkans through the rump Byzantine Empire. Two elite Serbian noble brothers Vukasin and Ugljesa Mrnjavcevic along with many others marched out to meet the Turks in front of modern day Edirne at the Battle of Maritsa in 1371. Since they outnumbered the Turks, the Turkish Pasha falsely promised to surrender the keys to the city to them, but at night, he launched a surprise attack to slaughter the Serbian army that was sleeping. Apparently they felt so confiden