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On the previous Open Thread, spandrell asked me about my favorite Indian restaurant in London. I don’t really have the means to comprehensively answer that question (though I did do that for Moscow), but I will try my best.

I have an inordinate fondness for the Gujarati Rasoi stall at the Borough Market. It’s the only “British” food that I occasionally crave apart from fish and chips. I have long been of the opinion that Indians are the only people who can do vegetarian food. I can say that Tower Tandoori and Roti Chai are both perfectly good, though the latter is a bit on the expensive side. Do not go to the India Club – bad food, and they demand tips (wtf?). The Dishoom chain is very good and has a great atmosphere – their premises are lined with old books on India. Aladin Brick Lane is a cheap, kitschy, but good in its category hardcore BYOB curry place (that is where I tried my first and likely last phaal).

I am currently at a conference regarding certain psychological matters. I will write about that next week, and so will James Thompson, most likely.

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    • Mstislav of Novgorod prepares to open a massive war against the knights but is interrupted by the fall of Galicia to the Hungarians. This is extremely important historical evidence against those who claim no ties existed between geographically disparate Rusian princes.
  • Becoming the father: Cognitive heritability increases with age
  • Lance Welton: Does Female Equality Mean More Lesbians?
  • Scott Alexander: A Critical Period For Lactation Fetishes
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  • There is a new 14 year old girl anti-SJW YouTube star and Mr. Bernstein of Buzzfeed wants us all to know about her.
  • Mangan speculates it won’t be long before SJWs go on the warpath against the keto diet
  • Andrew Anglin predicts that anyone right of Ben Shapiro will be banned from the Internet in 1-2 years.
  • *game of thrones* “Themes are for eighth-grade book reports,” Benioff told me. This explains a lot.
  • Bronze Age Pervert on visiting Budapest.
    • I recently spent more than a month in Budapest and I thought I’d pass along some impressions. Seeing people flip out about “authoritarian fascist nationalism” of Orban is very strange, Budapest is much in feel like any theme park West European city…very wine bar place…
    • Budapest men are not beaten down, far from it, but they don’t walk owning the streets like you see even in Tokyo; the wimin are empowered, daily life is designed to cater to them: everything clean, safe, well-run. No political ferment. Of course this is because they WON…
    • Remember how they compare Putin to Kim, call Russia totalitarian, contrive a panic about supposed concentration camps for inverts…when in fact Moscow is another liberal wine bar place with a vibrant ghey scene. Brazenness of lie becomes clear when consider ease of travel
  • Roosh: 7 Things I Learned About Serbian Women. #5-6 are supposedly especially accurate, according to a Serb friend.
  • Girl jumping like a horse.
  • *ak* Ideal biological lifeform.

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  1. Moscow is going to link its CCTV cameras to face recognition software by 2020 [in Russian]

    It was funny when the Chinese state media broadcast into the West was called CCTV.

  2. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    Undercover journalist poses as agent of Russian oligarch, gets Austrian FPÖ MP on tape saying he may steer government contracts their way if they buy a major Austrian newspaper and change its editorial line to a pro-FPÖ stance:

    https://www.ft.com/content/57fe3fe6-78d9-11e9-be7d-6d846537acab

    Redolent of what we saw in the Mueller report: people claiming to represent foreign money/political power can get meetings with fairly prominent politicians without undergoing any serious vetting.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    One of the more disappointing - but all too predictable - revelations is that Strache bought into the "Israelis are our friends" meme, which would explain why he went along with the purge of the identiarian groups, many of whom are hostile to jewish interests. Paludan in Denmark has the same pathology as do most other "nationalist groups" in Europe, even as jews never, ever reciprocate.


    In the end, they always get you anyway, because you trusted them. I have little sympathy for someone who sold out Austrian nationalists to appease jews.
    , @reiner Tor
    Apparently he was invited into a house full of hidden cameras while drunk, and they tried to get him implicate himself for six hours. I guess they kept having him drink more. Initially he said things like “I can only do lawful things,” but after a lot of prodding he said things which could plausibly be interpreted as corruption.
  3. Statist/Patriotic Russian army vs. Fake and gay German army

    According to Kartapolov, the ‘spiritual values’ with which the Russian soldier needs to be inculcated are:

    Statehood (gosudarstvennost’) as the bulwark of sovereignty, the guarantee of social-economic progress and of the spiritual flourishing of all Russia’s peoples.

    Civic spirit (grazhdanstevnnost’) as someone who belongs to the great Russian people and is responsible for its historic fate and social wellbeing.

    Patriotism as a feeling of love of the Motherland, caring for its interests, and being ready to defend one’s Fatherland against aggressors.

    Military duty as a sharpened sense of responsibility to oneself and one’s collective, expressed in a desire to fulfil one’s professional responsibilities as well as possible, in one’s attitude towards getting the respect of one’s peers, controlling one’s actions, and showing self-restraint and self-control in any critical situation.

    Courage (muzhestvo) and heroism as strength of character, obedience to moral principles in times of danger, and also deeds carried out in the name of the highest ideals.

    Military honour as fulfilling one’s military duty, unity of word and deed, an ability to take independent decisions and be accountable for them, and knowing how to take sensible risks.

    Self-sacrifice as a readiness to take risks and sacrifice oneself in time of need.

    Strength of will as an ability not to withdraw in the face of difficulties, but carry on a job until it’s done; overcoming one’s weaknesses and lack of self-confidence.

    Holiness (sviatost’) and sobornost’ as time-honoured expressions of the Russian Idea, defending the rights and freedoms of believers among one’s comrades while in the process of fulfilling one’s military duties.

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2019/05/15/russian-military-virtues/

    • Replies: @melanf


    Holiness (sviatost’) and sobornost’ as time-honoured expressions of the Russian Idea, defending the rights and freedoms of believers among one’s comrades while in the process of fulfilling one’s military duties.
     
    Kartapolov promotes (wanting to flatter the authorities?) extremely stupid ideas.
    , @songbird
    I was unsure how to interpret these comments of Putin, at the V-day Parade:

    “We have done and will do everything necessary to ensure the high combat capability of our armed forces.” But he added: "At the same time, Russia is open for cooperation with all who are ready to resist terrorism, neo-Nazism and extremism."
     
    Is it just some regional power play? Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics? Or is it a tradition to evoke the specter of neo-Nazism? Something Brezhnev would have done? Or is Putin trying to deflect the liberal animus against Russia by taking up their anti-white hobgoblins?
  4. I don’t get why so many supposedly conservatives think Roosh is someone better than a simple parasite and ally of the progressive left. It does not matter what he says. It matters what he do. He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    1 - Propaganda is action
    2 - Many of us have traveled a similar path
    3 - What traditional societies in the east? Did he, unknown to me, publish Bang Saudi Arabia?

    Even if it turns out Roosh's godpill is a bunch of b.s. his work has still been valuable. Many people entered our world as a result of a simple quest to get laid and discovering the true about men and women.

    And really, trying to get laid certainly isn't as despicable as Homintern. In fact it's now apparently rape culture.

    , @Thulean Friend

    He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.
     
    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what's most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.

    It says a lot about the decrepit state of White people that such a person faces no discrimination even in supposedly White 'nationalist' circles.
    , @anonymous
    There's no wave aiming to transform anything. He's merely exploiting what those countries have to offer to him.
    , @EastKekistani
    Traditional societies of the East ossified which is why we fell behind those within the Hajnal Line. No thanks.

    If NE Asia gets three more centuries of Confucian cuckism & ossification which people such as the Duke of Qin prefers we will find ourselves in Opium War 2.0 when who knows which group, likely either European or Middle Eastern, suddenly appears with more advanced tech. Nope. Just nope. We need to wage our own expeditions in Sub-Saharan Africa and space instead of finding unknown folks suddenly appearing at home.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    I don't really read him but occasionally click through his links and find his rants pretty funny.

    That said, it’s easier now than ever for you to pluck a Ukrainian beauty and get her out of there, but of course that leaves a big question mark for what could happen if you bring her into the West, where her diabolical Slavic genes could be switched on to your detriment.
     
    Who knew that he and the neocons had something in agreement? :P

    James Clapper Tells NBC’s Chuck Todd That Russians Are ‘Genetically Driven’ to Co-opt
  5. On the subject of major website bannings, deserving of mention is the WordPress shut-down of Château Heartiste, much-read by the audience of Unz review and AK’s column, and arguably one of the most important red-pilling sites on the internet, often linking to Unz … another manosphere forum site, that of Roosh, apparently shut-down as well

    Although half of Heartiste’s posts were on social-poltical realism issues – often riffing on Unz themes – Heartiste had become the leading site of the ‘manosphere’, aiding countless young (and older) males with raw explications of the non-politically-correct truth about female psychology, the ‘female hindbrain’ as Heartiste called it

    Heartiste fully answered Freud’s puzzle about ‘What do women really want?’ … Heartiste left no doubt regarding the answer, with many males posting the proof of Heartiste’s earthy wisdom there, sometimes even the real-time chat proof

    The core of Heartiste’s ‘game’ theme, was that women really wanted something different from what they (and society) said they did … What appealed to women generally, was the guy who paid some attention etc but ultimately acted as if he ‘gzf’ – gave zero fucks – about the women, successfully hiding the fact he adored them

    The trick then for men – especially for the young incels ‘involunary celibates’ struggling to get a girlfriend – was to adopt the devil-may-care seductive attitude which could take many forms, Heartiste drilling down into the ever-so-earthy details and practical steps to take, how a guy could appear to ‘not give a fuck’ even tho he really did

    Heartiste, whilst un-pc bashing ‘the poz’ and ‘globohomo’, perfectly illuminated why Western females, bored and not attracted to many Western men who had given in to ‘beta’ pro-feminist behaviour, were instead attracted to rough-edged migrants who were ‘more masculine’ – patriarchal, misogynistic, disrespectful of the laws of the countries that had received them, i.e., ‘giving zero fucks’ … Hence the endless females grinning with their ‘refugees welcome’ banners

    Heartiste saved many young male lives from despair and sexlessness with its raw, blood-on-every-post exposure of what to do to win women

    To its moral credit, Château Heartiste sought to move beyond mere seduction and bedding women, to what would build the society where women could be generally wives and mothers again, and much happier, Heartiste openly wondering how to get back to the ‘soft patriarchy’ that the site saw as necessary to save Western life

    But the Heartiste community, was never able to solve the conundrum, of how in the modern Western state with its legal apparatus, the wife that you won, was often seduced by the siren song of the shrikes and divorce lawyers, recommending that the woman screw over her husband, and conduct a divorce-rape stealing of his funds, so that she could go on newer and different ‘alpha-seeking’ adventures … something seen at the core of the poisoning of lives in the West

    Heartiste along with Unz Review, have been famous for having some of the most interesting comment sections on the alt-web

    Hopefully one will see Heartiste bounce back, and not go into the obscure night as other ‘alt-right’ websites have done

    But it is clear that Heartiste will not be forgotten, by the many whose lives it touched, and no doubt even saved in some cases

    One wonders indeed now if Unz and its writers may soon have their day of big-time de-platforming attack as well

  6. Homo imperialism strikes again; only a few months ago it was India. Why do judges do this?

    A Referendum in Taiwan outlawing gaymarriage passed with a 72% majority just 6 months ago. This is not checks and balances. This is homosexual authoritarianism. https://t.co/hTanGlMsbL— Spandrell (@thespandrell) May 17, 2019

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.

    It is just that the British era provision of gay sex (done quietly behind doors) being outlawed which was extensively misused by various police to frame innocents(straight as well as homos who were quietly at it behind closed doors without causing any ruckus) that has been struck down.

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police's business just leave the freaks alone..
    , @songbird
    Seems like it is always the courts. I guess it is to be expected in the US (where there are more lawyers than anywhere) or in Europe, but when it is also Mexico, etc., it somehow seems surprising.
    , @EastKekistani
    Who cares? Taiwan is not an Abrahamic state. Why does it have to care about Abrahamic morality? There are issues in the Sinosphere as thorny and controversial as abortion and homosexuality in the West & Muslim world that are not controversial at all in the West.
  7. @szopen
    I don't get why so many supposedly conservatives think Roosh is someone better than a simple parasite and ally of the progressive left. It does not matter what he says. It matters what he do. He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

    1 – Propaganda is action
    2 – Many of us have traveled a similar path
    3 – What traditional societies in the east? Did he, unknown to me, publish Bang Saudi Arabia?

    Even if it turns out Roosh’s godpill is a bunch of b.s. his work has still been valuable. Many people entered our world as a result of a simple quest to get laid and discovering the true about men and women.

    And really, trying to get laid certainly isn’t as despicable as Homintern. In fact it’s now apparently rape culture.

    • Replies: @Denis
    Roosh is an idiot with an extreme Madonna-whore complex, nothing more. The idea that he has done anything of value by crusading to turn male virgins into whoremongers is laughable.
  8. @Anonymous
    Undercover journalist poses as agent of Russian oligarch, gets Austrian FPÖ MP on tape saying he may steer government contracts their way if they buy a major Austrian newspaper and change its editorial line to a pro-FPÖ stance:

    https://www.ft.com/content/57fe3fe6-78d9-11e9-be7d-6d846537acab

    Redolent of what we saw in the Mueller report: people claiming to represent foreign money/political power can get meetings with fairly prominent politicians without undergoing any serious vetting.

    One of the more disappointing – but all too predictable – revelations is that Strache bought into the “Israelis are our friends” meme, which would explain why he went along with the purge of the identiarian groups, many of whom are hostile to jewish interests. Paludan in Denmark has the same pathology as do most other “nationalist groups” in Europe, even as jews never, ever reciprocate.

    In the end, they always get you anyway, because you trusted them. I have little sympathy for someone who sold out Austrian nationalists to appease jews.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  9. @szopen
    I don't get why so many supposedly conservatives think Roosh is someone better than a simple parasite and ally of the progressive left. It does not matter what he says. It matters what he do. He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

    He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what’s most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.

    It says a lot about the decrepit state of White people that such a person faces no discrimination even in supposedly White ‘nationalist’ circles.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    That depends on whether you consider Iranians white.
    , @Thomm

    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what’s most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.
     
    False. Roosh is white. There was a big debate on CH for a long time about whether Roosh is white. Heartiste looked at the arguments from both sides, weighted the points, and ruled that Roosh is white.

    Remember that Roosh went to South America before he ever went to EE.

    You are just jealous that he did what should have been even easier for you, but you could not do it.

  10. Nazbol gang strikes at the heart of Ango-Zionist imperialism

    Lewisham Momentum members are now openly wearing Stalinist military iconography. These are extremists, make no mistake about it. pic.twitter.com/iXCTfkd5TU— Oz Katerji (@OzKaterji) May 9, 2019

  11. guy doesn’t read Karlin 🙁

    [MORE]

  12. @Mitleser
    Statist/Patriotic Russian army vs. Fake and gay German army

    According to Kartapolov, the ‘spiritual values’ with which the Russian soldier needs to be inculcated are:

    Statehood (gosudarstvennost’) as the bulwark of sovereignty, the guarantee of social-economic progress and of the spiritual flourishing of all Russia’s peoples.

    Civic spirit (grazhdanstevnnost’) as someone who belongs to the great Russian people and is responsible for its historic fate and social wellbeing.

    Patriotism as a feeling of love of the Motherland, caring for its interests, and being ready to defend one’s Fatherland against aggressors.

    Military duty as a sharpened sense of responsibility to oneself and one’s collective, expressed in a desire to fulfil one’s professional responsibilities as well as possible, in one’s attitude towards getting the respect of one’s peers, controlling one’s actions, and showing self-restraint and self-control in any critical situation.

    Courage (muzhestvo) and heroism as strength of character, obedience to moral principles in times of danger, and also deeds carried out in the name of the highest ideals.

    Military honour as fulfilling one’s military duty, unity of word and deed, an ability to take independent decisions and be accountable for them, and knowing how to take sensible risks.

    Self-sacrifice as a readiness to take risks and sacrifice oneself in time of need.

    Strength of will as an ability not to withdraw in the face of difficulties, but carry on a job until it’s done; overcoming one’s weaknesses and lack of self-confidence.

    Holiness (sviatost’) and sobornost’ as time-honoured expressions of the Russian Idea, defending the rights and freedoms of believers among one’s comrades while in the process of fulfilling one’s military duties.
     
    https://irrussianality.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/mil-ethics.jpg

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2019/05/15/russian-military-virtues/

    Holiness (sviatost’) and sobornost’ as time-honoured expressions of the Russian Idea, defending the rights and freedoms of believers among one’s comrades while in the process of fulfilling one’s military duties.

    Kartapolov promotes (wanting to flatter the authorities?) extremely stupid ideas.

  13. @Kent Nationalist
    Homo imperialism strikes again; only a few months ago it was India. Why do judges do this?

    A Referendum in Taiwan outlawing gaymarriage passed with a 72% majority just 6 months ago. This is not checks and balances. This is homosexual authoritarianism. https://t.co/hTanGlMsbL— Spandrell (@thespandrell) May 17, 2019
     

    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.

    It is just that the British era provision of gay sex (done quietly behind doors) being outlawed which was extensively misused by various police to frame innocents(straight as well as homos who were quietly at it behind closed doors without causing any ruckus) that has been struck down.

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police’s business just leave the freaks alone..

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    I was surprised how pro-homosexual India was when I looked at the polls.

    https://www.livemint.com/Politics/nLQiPpl5UICajLDXETU3EO/Homosexuality-in-India-What-data-shows.html

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police’s business just leave the freaks alone..

     

    I read some of the legal ruling at the time and I remember it was filled with high-blown homo propaganda.

    The decision should not be made by judges; what amazes me is the consistency of the pattern across the world.

    Any step towards enabling homosexuality is just starting in the wrong direction; India will probably end up with homo marriage sooner or later.
    , @Thulean Friend

    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.
     
    Public opinion doesn't matter, elite opinion does. Taiwan's public was against gay marriage by 70% to 30% in favor. The ruling party bulldozed them and got it legalised. In India, the Supreme Court ruled in this year that "trans" women may marry under the 1955 marriage act.

    Was this demanded by the people? No, but it reached a critical threshold among elites. Even the supposed Hindu "nationalist" party didn't object. Also, your country is not as based as you think it is.


    https://i.imgur.com/G8zNDcr.jpg

    India could very well legalise gay marriage within 15 years. Karan Johar, who is one of the prime movers and shakers among the Brothelhood elite has already stated that he wants to do homosexual romances on-screen going ahead in order to "break barriers". A few days ago, the first active Indian athlete(Dutee Chand) came out as gay. It's happening and its the elite that counts. Also, judging by the World Values Survey, the people are not far behind.

    , @Gerard2
    BTW on one of the threads you said something about Indian emmigrants via the British Empire to different colonies were predominantly lower caste/IQ Indians -

    But from what I have seen, these Indians in South Africa, Kenya,Trinidad , Fiji etc have not in any way lived consciously under the caste system once they reached Africa or anywhere else- maybe some tensions against any intermarriage ( religious intermarriage) but not anything against inter-caste marriage.

    Dominating in influence from Indian communities have been the Muslim businessman followed by Christian Indian businessmen - not to say there weren't any successful Hindu or Sikh businessman - but the order went like that
    A large proportion of the Indians in South Africa, Uganda before Amin and Kenya have basically lived at the same standard as the whites - i.e huge size of house , employing labourers, au pairs etc......and in material wealth....only difference being they haven't had as much land or democrating rights or received same quality of service from national institutions ( like Post Offices and so on) ...but still big houses!
  14. @Kent Nationalist
    Homo imperialism strikes again; only a few months ago it was India. Why do judges do this?

    A Referendum in Taiwan outlawing gaymarriage passed with a 72% majority just 6 months ago. This is not checks and balances. This is homosexual authoritarianism. https://t.co/hTanGlMsbL— Spandrell (@thespandrell) May 17, 2019
     

    Seems like it is always the courts. I guess it is to be expected in the US (where there are more lawyers than anywhere) or in Europe, but when it is also Mexico, etc., it somehow seems surprising.

  15. “Mstislav of Novgorod prepares to open a massive war against the knights but is interrupted by the fall of Galicia to the Hungarians. This is extremely important historical evidence against those who claim no ties existed between geographically disparate Rusian rinces

    Kind of a stupid statement to make. Who is he alluding to, anyway? Rus principalities often aligned their regional differences with other princes within the Empire, just as they did with Poles and Hungarians too. Warring between the principalities was a more common occurrence than fighting outside of the Riurikovich patrimony. The Velyki Kniaz of Kyiv rarely got his underling princes to unite in a cohesive fashion. Irkutyanin does however get a thumbs up for the spelling of ‘Rusian princess’ without the often used double ‘s’, signifying that there is a difference between Russia as during the Empire period the the Empire of the Riurikids.

  16. @Mitleser
    Statist/Patriotic Russian army vs. Fake and gay German army

    According to Kartapolov, the ‘spiritual values’ with which the Russian soldier needs to be inculcated are:

    Statehood (gosudarstvennost’) as the bulwark of sovereignty, the guarantee of social-economic progress and of the spiritual flourishing of all Russia’s peoples.

    Civic spirit (grazhdanstevnnost’) as someone who belongs to the great Russian people and is responsible for its historic fate and social wellbeing.

    Patriotism as a feeling of love of the Motherland, caring for its interests, and being ready to defend one’s Fatherland against aggressors.

    Military duty as a sharpened sense of responsibility to oneself and one’s collective, expressed in a desire to fulfil one’s professional responsibilities as well as possible, in one’s attitude towards getting the respect of one’s peers, controlling one’s actions, and showing self-restraint and self-control in any critical situation.

    Courage (muzhestvo) and heroism as strength of character, obedience to moral principles in times of danger, and also deeds carried out in the name of the highest ideals.

    Military honour as fulfilling one’s military duty, unity of word and deed, an ability to take independent decisions and be accountable for them, and knowing how to take sensible risks.

    Self-sacrifice as a readiness to take risks and sacrifice oneself in time of need.

    Strength of will as an ability not to withdraw in the face of difficulties, but carry on a job until it’s done; overcoming one’s weaknesses and lack of self-confidence.

    Holiness (sviatost’) and sobornost’ as time-honoured expressions of the Russian Idea, defending the rights and freedoms of believers among one’s comrades while in the process of fulfilling one’s military duties.
     
    https://irrussianality.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/mil-ethics.jpg

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2019/05/15/russian-military-virtues/

    I was unsure how to interpret these comments of Putin, at the V-day Parade:

    “We have done and will do everything necessary to ensure the high combat capability of our armed forces.” But he added: “At the same time, Russia is open for cooperation with all who are ready to resist terrorism, neo-Nazism and extremism.”

    Is it just some regional power play? Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics? Or is it a tradition to evoke the specter of neo-Nazism? Something Brezhnev would have done? Or is Putin trying to deflect the liberal animus against Russia by taking up their anti-white hobgoblins?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Why are you unsure? Those are normal comments for this day.

    If you're asking about Putin's motivations are cynical?

    1. His "moral views" are anti-fascist - this is not related to liberalism or anything like that.

    2. There is some cynicism, because extremism threatens the political stability. So there is self-interest involved for the rulers, as well to talk like this (and it's self-interest which led to illiberal policy of allowing the imprisoning not just nationalists, but people who just like their comments - although these policies should be now reduced in the future).

    , @E

    Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics?
     
    Bingo. Some of the Baltics honour SS veterans and Ukraine honours Bandera. Hardly surprising that this would be interpreted in Russia as a threat that could mean that tens of millions of their countrymen died in vain.
    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

    It's not really clear why they should do that, though. Russia is currently seen as a bigger threat.
    After all, they can just do like the Americans or Saudis with Islamic jihadists: send them abroad to fight for geopolitical advantage on the front lines, but persecute and monitor them at home. Aside from some exceptions, it seems to work.

    So the EU shouldn't be bothered as long as this pro-Hitler stuff stays only on the EU's borders with Russia, firming up the local resolve to resist Russia.
  17. anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @szopen
    I don't get why so many supposedly conservatives think Roosh is someone better than a simple parasite and ally of the progressive left. It does not matter what he says. It matters what he do. He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

    There’s no wave aiming to transform anything. He’s merely exploiting what those countries have to offer to him.

  18. @Thulean Friend

    He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.
     
    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what's most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.

    It says a lot about the decrepit state of White people that such a person faces no discrimination even in supposedly White 'nationalist' circles.

    That depends on whether you consider Iranians white.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    He's half-Persian and half-Armenian.

    How much less white are people originating in Western Asia and the Caucasus than, say, Sicilians?

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?
  19. @szopen
    I don't get why so many supposedly conservatives think Roosh is someone better than a simple parasite and ally of the progressive left. It does not matter what he says. It matters what he do. He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

    Traditional societies of the East ossified which is why we fell behind those within the Hajnal Line. No thanks.

    If NE Asia gets three more centuries of Confucian cuckism & ossification which people such as the Duke of Qin prefers we will find ourselves in Opium War 2.0 when who knows which group, likely either European or Middle Eastern, suddenly appears with more advanced tech. Nope. Just nope. We need to wage our own expeditions in Sub-Saharan Africa and space instead of finding unknown folks suddenly appearing at home.

    • Replies: @szopen
    I don't care much about NE Asia. I was talking about Eastern Europe, where women are more traditional. THis model is under attack from the pop-culture and maybe the fight for keeping traditional morality, family and gender roles is already lost; but Rooshv is not just passive observer. He is active part of the forces corroding conservative values in Central-Eastern Europe.

    You just can't claim you are all for traditional roles, conservatism and morality while cheering a guy who participates in attack on all those things.
  20. @EastKekistani
    That depends on whether you consider Iranians white.

    He’s half-Persian and half-Armenian.

    How much less white are people originating in Western Asia and the Caucasus than, say, Sicilians?

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?
     
    No, or at least ambiguous.
    , @Dmitry
    I don't know what you're talking about.

    But Iranians and Armenians are a similar race. Racially, they will be close to Northern Indians/Afghans/Pakistani races.

    Sicilians are a kind of Italians, and will be racially closest to Italians and all Southern Europe generally.

    Obviously, there is no relation between Italians, and the Iranian/Armenian/Indian, etc, races. Italians are native to Europe, not to Southern Asia.

    -

    If you want to discuss an interesting mixed race nationality - it is Georgians. A proportion of Georgians are white people, and another proportion are typical Caucasians.

    I've met Georgians who are just (externally) typical Northern European people.

  21. @Anonymous
    Undercover journalist poses as agent of Russian oligarch, gets Austrian FPÖ MP on tape saying he may steer government contracts their way if they buy a major Austrian newspaper and change its editorial line to a pro-FPÖ stance:

    https://www.ft.com/content/57fe3fe6-78d9-11e9-be7d-6d846537acab

    Redolent of what we saw in the Mueller report: people claiming to represent foreign money/political power can get meetings with fairly prominent politicians without undergoing any serious vetting.

    Apparently he was invited into a house full of hidden cameras while drunk, and they tried to get him implicate himself for six hours. I guess they kept having him drink more. Initially he said things like “I can only do lawful things,” but after a lot of prodding he said things which could plausibly be interpreted as corruption.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Interesting. I thought there might be a little more to the story. Still not a good look for him.

    There is an old saying in American politics

    Don't write when you can talk; don't talk when you can nod your head
     
    Right-wing pols would do well to paste this into their caps.
  22. @Thorfinnsson
    He's half-Persian and half-Armenian.

    How much less white are people originating in Western Asia and the Caucasus than, say, Sicilians?

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?

    No, or at least ambiguous.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I think it depends on the individual and time. Danny Thomas (born Amos Muzyad Yaqoob Kairouz) had parents that were Maronite Christians. I would call him white at least partly because he lived in a very traditional time and espoused traditional values.

    Nader called one of the most American foods - hot dogs, missiles of death. Roosh does not have traditional values. TaIeb is shifty and his Med ideology seems to encompass North Africa - I trust him about as much as I trust Tlaib. Chechens I certainly would not consider white at all - Russians should uniformly deport them to Africa

    Today, you have a flight from white, and many of these people have questionable loyalty. Any ethnic Italian who supports open borders under the false idea that his immigrant ancestors weren't seen as white, should also be deported to Africa.
  23. @szopen
    I don't get why so many supposedly conservatives think Roosh is someone better than a simple parasite and ally of the progressive left. It does not matter what he says. It matters what he do. He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.

    I don’t really read him but occasionally click through his links and find his rants pretty funny.

    That said, it’s easier now than ever for you to pluck a Ukrainian beauty and get her out of there, but of course that leaves a big question mark for what could happen if you bring her into the West, where her diabolical Slavic genes could be switched on to your detriment.

    Who knew that he and the neocons had something in agreement? 😛

    James Clapper Tells NBC’s Chuck Todd That Russians Are ‘Genetically Driven’ to Co-opt

  24. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor
    Apparently he was invited into a house full of hidden cameras while drunk, and they tried to get him implicate himself for six hours. I guess they kept having him drink more. Initially he said things like “I can only do lawful things,” but after a lot of prodding he said things which could plausibly be interpreted as corruption.

    Interesting. I thought there might be a little more to the story. Still not a good look for him.

    There is an old saying in American politics

    Don’t write when you can talk; don’t talk when you can nod your head

    Right-wing pols would do well to paste this into their caps.

  25. @reiner Tor

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?
     
    No, or at least ambiguous.

    I think it depends on the individual and time. Danny Thomas (born Amos Muzyad Yaqoob Kairouz) had parents that were Maronite Christians. I would call him white at least partly because he lived in a very traditional time and espoused traditional values.

    Nader called one of the most American foods – hot dogs, missiles of death. Roosh does not have traditional values. TaIeb is shifty and his Med ideology seems to encompass North Africa – I trust him about as much as I trust Tlaib. Chechens I certainly would not consider white at all – Russians should uniformly deport them to Africa

    Today, you have a flight from white, and many of these people have questionable loyalty. Any ethnic Italian who supports open borders under the false idea that his immigrant ancestors weren’t seen as white, should also be deported to Africa.

  26. @songbird
    I was unsure how to interpret these comments of Putin, at the V-day Parade:

    “We have done and will do everything necessary to ensure the high combat capability of our armed forces.” But he added: "At the same time, Russia is open for cooperation with all who are ready to resist terrorism, neo-Nazism and extremism."
     
    Is it just some regional power play? Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics? Or is it a tradition to evoke the specter of neo-Nazism? Something Brezhnev would have done? Or is Putin trying to deflect the liberal animus against Russia by taking up their anti-white hobgoblins?

    Why are you unsure? Those are normal comments for this day.

    If you’re asking about Putin’s motivations are cynical?

    1. His “moral views” are anti-fascist – this is not related to liberalism or anything like that.

    2. There is some cynicism, because extremism threatens the political stability. So there is self-interest involved for the rulers, as well to talk like this (and it’s self-interest which led to illiberal policy of allowing the imprisoning not just nationalists, but people who just like their comments – although these policies should be now reduced in the future).

    • Replies: @songbird
    Terrorism could easily make sense in a local or regional context, without much reference to the global order.

    But neo-Nazism seems kind of strange to me to evoke in a military sense in 2019. I can't foresee one of the Boys from Brazil uniting Germany behind him and pushing East. I guess it could be an historical reference, but at best, I feel like it is a strange distraction from the true dangers of today - mass migration, globohomo, and a diversifying and potentially unstable US.

    TBH, as an American, it makes me uneasy to hear it because over here it is politically weaponized language. Oppose the invasion, or egalitarianism and you are called a Nazi. So, even when it is not used in the context of liberalism, I wonder if its use is merely unintentionally laying the groundwork.
  27. https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5630280/Woher-kommt-das-StracheVideo

    Allegedly members of Austrian security services have said they believe the Strache video was made by some Western intelligence agency, with deliberate intention to release it shortly before the EU elections and weaken FPÖ by that.
    US security services have allegedly expressed grave concern about connections between the FPÖ and Russia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The hidden-camera, "gotcha" style of journalism certainly feels very American. And still we have no idea who created this ruse: house in Ibiza with multiple hidden cameras feels beyond the capability of some random independent muckraker.
    , @German_reader
    Maybe the BND did it, I wouldn't put it beyond Merkel's government to order something like that, to destroy the FPÖ, which has shown what could be possible for a right-wing nationalist party in a German-speaking country.
    The FPÖ people are cretins though, I guess they've wrecked their party now and will be out of government after the next election (probably suits Kurz well). Horrible.
    Nationalist parties really should be wary about connections to Russia anyway though, there's nothing to be gained by them and much to lose.
    , @Epigon
    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
    Of course select media and journalists are inseparable from intelligence and security organizations in the West.
    They held on to the video and story since 2017 and released it now - FPÖ and Strache in particular had been in their crosshairs since a long time ago.
    The man he replaced was assassinated - “car accident”.

    Local intelligence/media case - a “Serbian” media (Kurir - Adria Media Group - Styria) had released damning evidence obtained by tapping the communication between Slovenian officials and arbitrators in Slovenia/Croatia coastline arbitration. The Slovenians were caught bribing and explicitly buying off the whole court.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this - released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    , @Mitleser
    Maybe Netflix did it. :0

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D61Z_urW4AA9r_1?format=jpg&name=900x900

    , @Mitleser
    The German media who published the video refuse to disclosure the original video and who gave them without payment in an abandoned hotel the USB flash drives which contained the original videos.

    Leila Al-Serori von der „SZ“ erklärte im ORF-Fernsehen, dass man das Video bereits vor Monaten angeboten bekommen habe. Das Material sei dann vor einigen Wochen in einem verlassenen Hotel auf USB-Sticks übergeben worden. Die österreichische Zeitung „Falter“ spricht davon, dass sie von der Existenz des Videos „seit dem vergangenen Jahr“ wisse. Die beteiligten Zeitungen hätten kein Geld dafür bezahlt. Zur Motivation des Informanten sei nichts Aussagekräftiges bekannt, sagt Martin Knobbe vom „Spiegel“ der WELT. Das liege daran, dass auch die Informanten Informanten haben, denen sie Verschwiegenheit zugesichert hätten. Deshalb habe sich das Magazin entschieden, dies so darzustellen.
     

    Die „SZ“ betonte allerdings schon, dass sie die Originalaufnahmen nicht zur Verfügung stellen werde. Aus Gründen des Quellenschutzes mache man keine Angaben über die Herkunft.
     
    http://web.archive.org/web/20190519104429/https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article193725535/FPOE-Vize-Strache-Was-Boehmermann-mit-dem-Video-zu-tun-hat.html
  28. @Thorfinnsson
    He's half-Persian and half-Armenian.

    How much less white are people originating in Western Asia and the Caucasus than, say, Sicilians?

    Are Ralph Nader and Nassim Taleb white?

    I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    But Iranians and Armenians are a similar race. Racially, they will be close to Northern Indians/Afghans/Pakistani races.

    Sicilians are a kind of Italians, and will be racially closest to Italians and all Southern Europe generally.

    Obviously, there is no relation between Italians, and the Iranian/Armenian/Indian, etc, races. Italians are native to Europe, not to Southern Asia.

    If you want to discuss an interesting mixed race nationality – it is Georgians. A proportion of Georgians are white people, and another proportion are typical Caucasians.

    I’ve met Georgians who are just (externally) typical Northern European people.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
    In southern Europe, including Sicily, you can easily find people that will look like northern europeans (pale, blue eyes, blond). I don't see why you conflate Iranians with Afghans and Sub continentals. Iranians are the fairest people in the middle east (if we exclude the levant turkey and the south caucasus) . Afghans will tend to look darker than Iranians. Pakis and Indians will in turn be darkerdue to their dravidian DNA (This also applies to Brahmins too)
    , @Thorfinnsson
    White is a "socially constructed" group which encompasses people of Christian, European descent. Prior to the Age of Discovery, the term "Christian" would've meant the same thing.

    Genetically and phenotypically however, Mediterranean Europeans often have more in common with other peoples of the Mediterranean basin and Western Asia than they do with Northern Europeans. Bashar Assad for instance looks more similar to Matteo Salvini than I do.

    When non-European Caucasoids, especially when Christian, relocate to Western countries (especially the USA, where identity is highly racialized) there emerges a dispute about whether or not they're "really" white.

    This came up because of Roosh, a (former?) pickup artist from America who lives in Eastern Europe. People find non-whites screwing our whores to be more objectionable than when we ourselves do it, so I often see people on this part of the internet attacking his alleged non-white background.
  29. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader
    https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5630280/Woher-kommt-das-StracheVideo

    Allegedly members of Austrian security services have said they believe the Strache video was made by some Western intelligence agency, with deliberate intention to release it shortly before the EU elections and weaken FPÖ by that.
    US security services have allegedly expressed grave concern about connections between the FPÖ and Russia.

    The hidden-camera, “gotcha” style of journalism certainly feels very American. And still we have no idea who created this ruse: house in Ibiza with multiple hidden cameras feels beyond the capability of some random independent muckraker.

  30. E says:
    @songbird
    I was unsure how to interpret these comments of Putin, at the V-day Parade:

    “We have done and will do everything necessary to ensure the high combat capability of our armed forces.” But he added: "At the same time, Russia is open for cooperation with all who are ready to resist terrorism, neo-Nazism and extremism."
     
    Is it just some regional power play? Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics? Or is it a tradition to evoke the specter of neo-Nazism? Something Brezhnev would have done? Or is Putin trying to deflect the liberal animus against Russia by taking up their anti-white hobgoblins?

    Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics?

    Bingo. Some of the Baltics honour SS veterans and Ukraine honours Bandera. Hardly surprising that this would be interpreted in Russia as a threat that could mean that tens of millions of their countrymen died in vain.
    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

    It’s not really clear why they should do that, though. Russia is currently seen as a bigger threat.
    After all, they can just do like the Americans or Saudis with Islamic jihadists: send them abroad to fight for geopolitical advantage on the front lines, but persecute and monitor them at home. Aside from some exceptions, it seems to work.

    So the EU shouldn’t be bothered as long as this pro-Hitler stuff stays only on the EU’s borders with Russia, firming up the local resolve to resist Russia.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    That's really just a collection of recently cooked up nationalist pro-social lies. The construction of the Ukrainian national identity requires cooking up such stuff and this is just how they explain their WWII history. That's it. Don't take it too seriously. Same for commies in China and people in South Korea scream about "muh ebil Japan" every single day. This form of nonsense originated in France and is currently almost everywhere.
    , @Kent Nationalist

    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

     

    Domestic political enemies tried that with the Conservative party here several years ago (when Cameron was still PM) as they were in the same parliamentary group as some Balt parties, but it had no success at all.
    On the other hand, anti-Nazi hysteria is a lot more pronounced now.
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    There are a couple of almost dead volunteer veterans in the Baltic states who mostly had no particular ideological attachment to Nazism, just the desire to fight the Soviets who were at least as bad as the Nazis. Belief that communism was as bad or even worse than fascism is not at all an unusual opinion in the West and Putin's claims to oppose "extremism" are hard to take seriously if he refuses to condemn Russian attempts to maintain monuments to Red Army butchers in the Baltic states.

    Near dead Baltic volunteers may work as a propaganda tool for Russian domestic consumption based on endless recycling of ossified 1940s Stalinist propaganda but few people outside of Russia and paid shills are going to notice. The West has now decided that the evil core of Nazism was its opposition to the West's liberal pro-LGBT, pro-multiculturalist and anti-Christian values. Young Balts are rapidly absorbing that liberal worldview and Russia which is failing to embrace LBGT acceptance, anti-Christianity and all the other signals of being anti-Nazi is not a plausible accuser in comparison.

    Stalinist Russia is also basically indistinguishable from Nazism by that standard so the youth of today looking back at things sees WWII as just German Nazis vs Russian Nazis. Germany comes out better in this view because their Nazism was destroyed and replaced with liberalism while Russia is still "Nazi".

  31. @German_reader
    https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5630280/Woher-kommt-das-StracheVideo

    Allegedly members of Austrian security services have said they believe the Strache video was made by some Western intelligence agency, with deliberate intention to release it shortly before the EU elections and weaken FPÖ by that.
    US security services have allegedly expressed grave concern about connections between the FPÖ and Russia.

    Maybe the BND did it, I wouldn’t put it beyond Merkel’s government to order something like that, to destroy the FPÖ, which has shown what could be possible for a right-wing nationalist party in a German-speaking country.
    The FPÖ people are cretins though, I guess they’ve wrecked their party now and will be out of government after the next election (probably suits Kurz well). Horrible.
    Nationalist parties really should be wary about connections to Russia anyway though, there’s nothing to be gained by them and much to lose.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    It could have been a cooperation of several such services.
  32. @Dmitry
    Why are you unsure? Those are normal comments for this day.

    If you're asking about Putin's motivations are cynical?

    1. His "moral views" are anti-fascist - this is not related to liberalism or anything like that.

    2. There is some cynicism, because extremism threatens the political stability. So there is self-interest involved for the rulers, as well to talk like this (and it's self-interest which led to illiberal policy of allowing the imprisoning not just nationalists, but people who just like their comments - although these policies should be now reduced in the future).

    Terrorism could easily make sense in a local or regional context, without much reference to the global order.

    But neo-Nazism seems kind of strange to me to evoke in a military sense in 2019. I can’t foresee one of the Boys from Brazil uniting Germany behind him and pushing East. I guess it could be an historical reference, but at best, I feel like it is a strange distraction from the true dangers of today – mass migration, globohomo, and a diversifying and potentially unstable US.

    TBH, as an American, it makes me uneasy to hear it because over here it is politically weaponized language. Oppose the invasion, or egalitarianism and you are called a Nazi. So, even when it is not used in the context of liberalism, I wonder if its use is merely unintentionally laying the groundwork.

    • Replies: @Adam

    mass migration, globohomo, and a diversifying and potentially unstable US.

     

    America's Anglo and Jewish ruling class who have genuine ethnic hatred for Russians, as well as a messianic desire to spread 'Democracy' and 'freedom' to the world are a very real danger to Russia. Woke Latinx and mulattos aren't. I don't know why you would expect Putin to be invested in the plight of white Americans.

    Nazis killed millions of Russians, and the historical struggle against Nazism still resonates with the vast majority of Russians today. Furthermore, butthurt belt nationalists glorify Nazis. It makes perfect sense for Putin to say that Russia opposes neo-Nazism, even if that statement is somewhat meaningless.

    As others have pointed out, Putin values stability above all and wants Russia to be a respected part of the mainstream political order. He is not a nationalist and is not going to risk stirring the pot too much. That said, he's an unideological bureaucrat - not some kind of Angela Merkel or Macron who is actively anti-white.
  33. @E

    Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics?
     
    Bingo. Some of the Baltics honour SS veterans and Ukraine honours Bandera. Hardly surprising that this would be interpreted in Russia as a threat that could mean that tens of millions of their countrymen died in vain.
    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

    It's not really clear why they should do that, though. Russia is currently seen as a bigger threat.
    After all, they can just do like the Americans or Saudis with Islamic jihadists: send them abroad to fight for geopolitical advantage on the front lines, but persecute and monitor them at home. Aside from some exceptions, it seems to work.

    So the EU shouldn't be bothered as long as this pro-Hitler stuff stays only on the EU's borders with Russia, firming up the local resolve to resist Russia.

    That’s really just a collection of recently cooked up nationalist pro-social lies. The construction of the Ukrainian national identity requires cooking up such stuff and this is just how they explain their WWII history. That’s it. Don’t take it too seriously. Same for commies in China and people in South Korea scream about “muh ebil Japan” every single day. This form of nonsense originated in France and is currently almost everywhere.

  34. @E

    Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics?
     
    Bingo. Some of the Baltics honour SS veterans and Ukraine honours Bandera. Hardly surprising that this would be interpreted in Russia as a threat that could mean that tens of millions of their countrymen died in vain.
    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

    It's not really clear why they should do that, though. Russia is currently seen as a bigger threat.
    After all, they can just do like the Americans or Saudis with Islamic jihadists: send them abroad to fight for geopolitical advantage on the front lines, but persecute and monitor them at home. Aside from some exceptions, it seems to work.

    So the EU shouldn't be bothered as long as this pro-Hitler stuff stays only on the EU's borders with Russia, firming up the local resolve to resist Russia.

    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

    Domestic political enemies tried that with the Conservative party here several years ago (when Cameron was still PM) as they were in the same parliamentary group as some Balt parties, but it had no success at all.
    On the other hand, anti-Nazi hysteria is a lot more pronounced now.

  35. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:

    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more “legitimate” or “lawful,” as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?

    If President Assad had come to power through a free election, and could be unseated by the same, he would be perfectly justified in claiming superior legitimacy to armed rebels. However, Assad’s claim to power is that his father took and consolidated power through a series of military coups, and then named him as his successor. He then held a series of laughable sham elections in which he received Soviet-tier vote shares.

    Assad therefore held power in 2011 because he and his allies had done the best job of attaining military superiority, not because they had done the best job of following the laws or convincing people in Syria that they were the best suited to rule. (A humorous yet illustrative example of how the Syrian government decides on a whim what the law will be is the case of the constitutional age threshold to become president, which was conveniently lowered in 2000 from 40 to 34, then Bashar al-Assad’s age.)

    Why can’t the Sunnis of Syria give this whole “I have military superiority, therefore I get to be in charge and decide what the laws are” business a go, then? It seems to me that they have as much right to participate in the “Who is the best at killing, imprisoning and/or torturing anyone opposed to them?” sweepstakes as President Assad does.

    It’s like that famous parable of St. Augustine’s quoted by Chomsky:

    In the “City of God,” St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, “How dare you molest the seas?” To which the pirate replied, “How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    Shameless theft from Plato (or maybe just the same idea?). I wonder where it first occurs.

    But all this is reversed in the case of the unjust man. I am speaking, as before, of injustice on a large scale in which the advantage of the unjust is more apparent; and my meaning will be most clearly seen if we turn to that highest form of injustice in which the criminal is the happiest of men, and the sufferers or those who refuse to do injustice are the most miserable --that is to say tyranny, which by fraud and force takes away the property of others, not little by little but wholesale; comprehending in one, things sacred as well as profane, private and public; for which acts of wrong, if he were detected perpetrating any one of them singly, he would be punished and incur great disgrace --they who do such wrong in particular cases are called robbers of temples, and man-stealers and burglars and swindlers and thieves. But when a man besides taking away the money of the citizens has made slaves of them, then, instead of these names of reproach, he is termed happy and blessed, not only by the citizens but by all who hear of his having achieved the consummation of injustice
     
    , @Anonymous

    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more “legitimate” or “lawful,” as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?
     
    It's not, really: Assad is just the strongman who managed to achieve some measure of stability and isn't especially horrible by regional standards. Better to stick with the devil you know. People trying to portray guys like Assad and Maduro as though they are Olof Palme are as laughable as US State Department idiots who think being a "rebel" in the Third World is automatically some badge of honor.
    , @Mitleser
    Because it is the national government and more capable of providing stability than the random groups of armed rural Sunnis.
  36. @Vishnugupta
    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.

    It is just that the British era provision of gay sex (done quietly behind doors) being outlawed which was extensively misused by various police to frame innocents(straight as well as homos who were quietly at it behind closed doors without causing any ruckus) that has been struck down.

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police's business just leave the freaks alone..

    I was surprised how pro-homosexual India was when I looked at the polls.

    https://www.livemint.com/Politics/nLQiPpl5UICajLDXETU3EO/Homosexuality-in-India-What-data-shows.html

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police’s business just leave the freaks alone..

    I read some of the legal ruling at the time and I remember it was filled with high-blown homo propaganda.

    The decision should not be made by judges; what amazes me is the consistency of the pattern across the world.

    Any step towards enabling homosexuality is just starting in the wrong direction; India will probably end up with homo marriage sooner or later.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    It's probably just because India isn't Abrahamic.

    Were ancient Greece and Rome "pozzed" because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals? No! Same for abortion..Sparta practiced exposure so it must be even more pro-choice and feminist than modern West, right? Nope.

  37. @Anonymous
    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more "legitimate" or "lawful," as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?

    If President Assad had come to power through a free election, and could be unseated by the same, he would be perfectly justified in claiming superior legitimacy to armed rebels. However, Assad's claim to power is that his father took and consolidated power through a series of military coups, and then named him as his successor. He then held a series of laughable sham elections in which he received Soviet-tier vote shares.

    Assad therefore held power in 2011 because he and his allies had done the best job of attaining military superiority, not because they had done the best job of following the laws or convincing people in Syria that they were the best suited to rule. (A humorous yet illustrative example of how the Syrian government decides on a whim what the law will be is the case of the constitutional age threshold to become president, which was conveniently lowered in 2000 from 40 to 34, then Bashar al-Assad's age.)

    Why can't the Sunnis of Syria give this whole "I have military superiority, therefore I get to be in charge and decide what the laws are" business a go, then? It seems to me that they have as much right to participate in the "Who is the best at killing, imprisoning and/or torturing anyone opposed to them?" sweepstakes as President Assad does.

    It's like that famous parable of St. Augustine's quoted by Chomsky:

    In the "City of God," St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, "How dare you molest the seas?" To which the pirate replied, "How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor.
     

    Shameless theft from Plato (or maybe just the same idea?). I wonder where it first occurs.

    But all this is reversed in the case of the unjust man. I am speaking, as before, of injustice on a large scale in which the advantage of the unjust is more apparent; and my meaning will be most clearly seen if we turn to that highest form of injustice in which the criminal is the happiest of men, and the sufferers or those who refuse to do injustice are the most miserable –that is to say tyranny, which by fraud and force takes away the property of others, not little by little but wholesale; comprehending in one, things sacred as well as profane, private and public; for which acts of wrong, if he were detected perpetrating any one of them singly, he would be punished and incur great disgrace –they who do such wrong in particular cases are called robbers of temples, and man-stealers and burglars and swindlers and thieves. But when a man besides taking away the money of the citizens has made slaves of them, then, instead of these names of reproach, he is termed happy and blessed, not only by the citizens but by all who hear of his having achieved the consummation of injustice

  38. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more "legitimate" or "lawful," as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?

    If President Assad had come to power through a free election, and could be unseated by the same, he would be perfectly justified in claiming superior legitimacy to armed rebels. However, Assad's claim to power is that his father took and consolidated power through a series of military coups, and then named him as his successor. He then held a series of laughable sham elections in which he received Soviet-tier vote shares.

    Assad therefore held power in 2011 because he and his allies had done the best job of attaining military superiority, not because they had done the best job of following the laws or convincing people in Syria that they were the best suited to rule. (A humorous yet illustrative example of how the Syrian government decides on a whim what the law will be is the case of the constitutional age threshold to become president, which was conveniently lowered in 2000 from 40 to 34, then Bashar al-Assad's age.)

    Why can't the Sunnis of Syria give this whole "I have military superiority, therefore I get to be in charge and decide what the laws are" business a go, then? It seems to me that they have as much right to participate in the "Who is the best at killing, imprisoning and/or torturing anyone opposed to them?" sweepstakes as President Assad does.

    It's like that famous parable of St. Augustine's quoted by Chomsky:

    In the "City of God," St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, "How dare you molest the seas?" To which the pirate replied, "How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor.
     

    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more “legitimate” or “lawful,” as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?

    It’s not, really: Assad is just the strongman who managed to achieve some measure of stability and isn’t especially horrible by regional standards. Better to stick with the devil you know. People trying to portray guys like Assad and Maduro as though they are Olof Palme are as laughable as US State Department idiots who think being a “rebel” in the Third World is automatically some badge of honor.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala

    Better to stick with the devil you know. People trying to portray guys like Assad and Maduro as though they are Olof Palme are as laughable as US State Department idiots who think being a “rebel” in the Third World is automatically some badge of honor.
     
    Olof Palme is a pretty bad example since he was a ruthless, power hungry would-be dictator who just happened to be constrained by the stability of his country and its institutions. I'm sure he would have been a particularly nasty Bolshevik if he had been operating in Civil War conditions.

    There's no such thing as a nice leader in revolutions or civil wars or if there are they're not leading for long (see prince Lvov etc).

  39. @Kent Nationalist
    I was surprised how pro-homosexual India was when I looked at the polls.

    https://www.livemint.com/Politics/nLQiPpl5UICajLDXETU3EO/Homosexuality-in-India-What-data-shows.html

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police’s business just leave the freaks alone..

     

    I read some of the legal ruling at the time and I remember it was filled with high-blown homo propaganda.

    The decision should not be made by judges; what amazes me is the consistency of the pattern across the world.

    Any step towards enabling homosexuality is just starting in the wrong direction; India will probably end up with homo marriage sooner or later.

    It’s probably just because India isn’t Abrahamic.

    Were ancient Greece and Rome “pozzed” because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals? No! Same for abortion..Sparta practiced exposure so it must be even more pro-choice and feminist than modern West, right? Nope.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    Were ancient Greece and Rome “pozzed” because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals?
     
    Yes
    , @EldnahYm

    Were ancient Greece and Rome “pozzed” because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals?
     
    Instead of using terms like "political correctness," which are context dependent because different societies have different norms and values, we should just say the Greeks and Romans were degenerate perverts. So are many people in our modern societies.
  40. @Dmitry
    I don't know what you're talking about.

    But Iranians and Armenians are a similar race. Racially, they will be close to Northern Indians/Afghans/Pakistani races.

    Sicilians are a kind of Italians, and will be racially closest to Italians and all Southern Europe generally.

    Obviously, there is no relation between Italians, and the Iranian/Armenian/Indian, etc, races. Italians are native to Europe, not to Southern Asia.

    -

    If you want to discuss an interesting mixed race nationality - it is Georgians. A proportion of Georgians are white people, and another proportion are typical Caucasians.

    I've met Georgians who are just (externally) typical Northern European people.

    In southern Europe, including Sicily, you can easily find people that will look like northern europeans (pale, blue eyes, blond). I don’t see why you conflate Iranians with Afghans and Sub continentals. Iranians are the fairest people in the middle east (if we exclude the levant turkey and the south caucasus) . Afghans will tend to look darker than Iranians. Pakis and Indians will in turn be darkerdue to their dravidian DNA (This also applies to Brahmins too)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    I'm not an expert on the topic, but in the large part - see the parades - they seem similar Northern Indians and Afghanistani, as would be expected from geographical location.

    And of course, Armenians are from a partly related race - which is a bit less expected from the geography, but can be seen apparently in language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBXx5bvR4k

  41. @German_reader
    https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5630280/Woher-kommt-das-StracheVideo

    Allegedly members of Austrian security services have said they believe the Strache video was made by some Western intelligence agency, with deliberate intention to release it shortly before the EU elections and weaken FPÖ by that.
    US security services have allegedly expressed grave concern about connections between the FPÖ and Russia.

    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
    Of course select media and journalists are inseparable from intelligence and security organizations in the West.
    They held on to the video and story since 2017 and released it now – FPÖ and Strache in particular had been in their crosshairs since a long time ago.
    The man he replaced was assassinated – “car accident”.

    Local intelligence/media case – a “Serbian” media (Kurir – Adria Media Group – Styria) had released damning evidence obtained by tapping the communication between Slovenian officials and arbitrators in Slovenia/Croatia coastline arbitration. The Slovenians were caught bribing and explicitly buying off the whole court.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this – released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @German_reader

    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
     
    Well, all German mainstream media are.
    Couldn't have happened at a worse time, just before the EU elections, but I suppose that's the intention, weakening the European right before a possibly crucial breakthrough.
    I wonder what "they" (whoever they are) will eventually do against Orban and Salvini.
    , @EastKekistani
    Do you have any viable alternative to Atlanticism? Folks in France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan etc sometimes imagine that the world will be better if "Anglo supremacy" is brought down. However their alternatives are often not viable at all.

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism I'm aware of are Islam (through high TFR, high social unity and lack of fear of death), AI dominance, alien invasion and global Africanization (through extremely high TFR).

    , @German_reader

    The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

     

    A lot of Austrian right-wingers believe that as well, certainly makes you think that he belongs to a network like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders
    , @Mitleser
    Kurz is a Chad who was doing what the Virgin Strache was only talking about.

    Der österreichische Immobilien-Spekulant René Benko kauft sich bei zwei großen österreichischen Medien ein: Sein Signa Konzern wird 24,22 Prozent am „Kurier“ und 24,5 Prozent an der „Krone“ erhalten. Benko gehört zum „innersten Kreis“ und Netzwerk von Sebastian Kurz. Der Kanzler wiederum hilft dem Konzernchef bei seinen Geschäftsanbahnungen – zuletzt bei der Übernahme der Kika-Leiner Kette.
     
    https://kontrast.at/rene-benko-krone-kurier-kurz/

    The Austrian real estate speculator René Benko buys into two major Austrian media: his Signa Group will receive 24.22 percent of "Kurier" and 24.5 percent of "Krone". Benko belongs to the "inner circle" and network of Sebastian Kurz. The Chancellor, in turn, helps the CEO with his business initiations - most recently with the takeover of the Kika-Leiner chain.
     
    https://www.deepl.com/Translator
    , @Mitleser

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this – released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.
     

    Ein weiterer Ausschnitt aus dem sechsstündigen Video, das Heinz-Christian Strache in Bedrängnis brachte, birgt neuen Zündstoff. Darin ist zu hören, wie der langjährige FPÖ-Chef Gerüchte über andere Politiker verbreitet.

    Da ist zu hören: "Also, ich habe einen Informanten, der hat mir Fotos vom Kern geschickt. Mit minderjährigen Schwarzen in Kapstadt."

    Außerdem spricht Strache von "Sex-Orgien von Kurz in den Drogen-Hinterzimmern".
     
    https://www.heute.at/politik/news/story/Heinz-Christian-Strache-FPOE-schwer-belastet-Video-SZ-Spiegel-neuer-Ausschnitt-57184991

    Another excerpt from the six-hour video, which put Heinz-Christian Strache in distress, contains new explosive material. It shows how the long-time FPÖ leader spreads rumours about other politicians.

    There is to be heard: "Well, I have an informant who sent me photos of the core. With underage blacks in Cape Town."

    Strache also speaks of "sex orgies of Kurz in the drug back rooms".
     
    https://www.deepl.com/Translator
  42. @EastKekistani
    Traditional societies of the East ossified which is why we fell behind those within the Hajnal Line. No thanks.

    If NE Asia gets three more centuries of Confucian cuckism & ossification which people such as the Duke of Qin prefers we will find ourselves in Opium War 2.0 when who knows which group, likely either European or Middle Eastern, suddenly appears with more advanced tech. Nope. Just nope. We need to wage our own expeditions in Sub-Saharan Africa and space instead of finding unknown folks suddenly appearing at home.

    I don’t care much about NE Asia. I was talking about Eastern Europe, where women are more traditional. THis model is under attack from the pop-culture and maybe the fight for keeping traditional morality, family and gender roles is already lost; but Rooshv is not just passive observer. He is active part of the forces corroding conservative values in Central-Eastern Europe.

    You just can’t claim you are all for traditional roles, conservatism and morality while cheering a guy who participates in attack on all those things.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    If "East" means East Europe then things are different. They do not seem to have too much danger of cultural ossification. Moreover their trad culture is fairly healthy. Russia may have too much statism and does not value commerce enough. Other than these they are fine.

    Preservation or promotion of public morality requires people with very different psychological background compared to mine. All I can say is that you probably want to keep us STEM folks and philosophers from the public if that's your goal.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    They're not traditional, unless tradition to you means the 1970s.

    Women in Eastern Europe are all whores and have been for decades, no different than in Western Europe and the New World. They're just thinner and dress better, and Homintern hasn't assimilated the region (yet).

    Your other point is warranted but isn't specific to Roosh or Eastern Europe.
    , @Epigon
    The guy is a useless tard, and reading between lines of his text, he was perceived as such by our local womyn.

    Quality Serbian women are emancipated in a completely different way than Western ones - they know their value, understand where that value comes from and would never risk it or throw it away. It is brutal but honest - I was outcompeted by a better suitor and told so by a 10/10.

    There is a reason why Christian Bale, Melnichenko, Ecclestone, Bin Drai, Jarmoluk etc. married Serb women.

  43. Adam says:
    @songbird
    Terrorism could easily make sense in a local or regional context, without much reference to the global order.

    But neo-Nazism seems kind of strange to me to evoke in a military sense in 2019. I can't foresee one of the Boys from Brazil uniting Germany behind him and pushing East. I guess it could be an historical reference, but at best, I feel like it is a strange distraction from the true dangers of today - mass migration, globohomo, and a diversifying and potentially unstable US.

    TBH, as an American, it makes me uneasy to hear it because over here it is politically weaponized language. Oppose the invasion, or egalitarianism and you are called a Nazi. So, even when it is not used in the context of liberalism, I wonder if its use is merely unintentionally laying the groundwork.

    mass migration, globohomo, and a diversifying and potentially unstable US.

    America’s Anglo and Jewish ruling class who have genuine ethnic hatred for Russians, as well as a messianic desire to spread ‘Democracy’ and ‘freedom’ to the world are a very real danger to Russia. Woke Latinx and mulattos aren’t. I don’t know why you would expect Putin to be invested in the plight of white Americans.

    Nazis killed millions of Russians, and the historical struggle against Nazism still resonates with the vast majority of Russians today. Furthermore, butthurt belt nationalists glorify Nazis. It makes perfect sense for Putin to say that Russia opposes neo-Nazism, even if that statement is somewhat meaningless.

    As others have pointed out, Putin values stability above all and wants Russia to be a respected part of the mainstream political order. He is not a nationalist and is not going to risk stirring the pot too much. That said, he’s an unideological bureaucrat – not some kind of Angela Merkel or Macron who is actively anti-white.

  44. @Epigon
    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
    Of course select media and journalists are inseparable from intelligence and security organizations in the West.
    They held on to the video and story since 2017 and released it now - FPÖ and Strache in particular had been in their crosshairs since a long time ago.
    The man he replaced was assassinated - “car accident”.

    Local intelligence/media case - a “Serbian” media (Kurir - Adria Media Group - Styria) had released damning evidence obtained by tapping the communication between Slovenian officials and arbitrators in Slovenia/Croatia coastline arbitration. The Slovenians were caught bribing and explicitly buying off the whole court.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this - released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.

    Well, all German mainstream media are.
    Couldn’t have happened at a worse time, just before the EU elections, but I suppose that’s the intention, weakening the European right before a possibly crucial breakthrough.
    I wonder what “they” (whoever they are) will eventually do against Orban and Salvini.

  45. @szopen
    I don't care much about NE Asia. I was talking about Eastern Europe, where women are more traditional. THis model is under attack from the pop-culture and maybe the fight for keeping traditional morality, family and gender roles is already lost; but Rooshv is not just passive observer. He is active part of the forces corroding conservative values in Central-Eastern Europe.

    You just can't claim you are all for traditional roles, conservatism and morality while cheering a guy who participates in attack on all those things.

    If “East” means East Europe then things are different. They do not seem to have too much danger of cultural ossification. Moreover their trad culture is fairly healthy. Russia may have too much statism and does not value commerce enough. Other than these they are fine.

    Preservation or promotion of public morality requires people with very different psychological background compared to mine. All I can say is that you probably want to keep us STEM folks and philosophers from the public if that’s your goal.

  46. @Dmitry
    I don't know what you're talking about.

    But Iranians and Armenians are a similar race. Racially, they will be close to Northern Indians/Afghans/Pakistani races.

    Sicilians are a kind of Italians, and will be racially closest to Italians and all Southern Europe generally.

    Obviously, there is no relation between Italians, and the Iranian/Armenian/Indian, etc, races. Italians are native to Europe, not to Southern Asia.

    -

    If you want to discuss an interesting mixed race nationality - it is Georgians. A proportion of Georgians are white people, and another proportion are typical Caucasians.

    I've met Georgians who are just (externally) typical Northern European people.

    White is a “socially constructed” group which encompasses people of Christian, European descent. Prior to the Age of Discovery, the term “Christian” would’ve meant the same thing.

    Genetically and phenotypically however, Mediterranean Europeans often have more in common with other peoples of the Mediterranean basin and Western Asia than they do with Northern Europeans. Bashar Assad for instance looks more similar to Matteo Salvini than I do.

    When non-European Caucasoids, especially when Christian, relocate to Western countries (especially the USA, where identity is highly racialized) there emerges a dispute about whether or not they’re “really” white.

    This came up because of Roosh, a (former?) pickup artist from America who lives in Eastern Europe. People find non-whites screwing our whores to be more objectionable than when we ourselves do it, so I often see people on this part of the internet attacking his alleged non-white background.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Are Albanians and Bosniaks white then?
    , @Dmitry
    "White" is not socially constructed - melanin content of skin is a physical reality.

    Being of European origin is not "socially constructed", except to the extent all lines on a map to divide continents are "socially constructed".

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

  47. @Epigon
    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
    Of course select media and journalists are inseparable from intelligence and security organizations in the West.
    They held on to the video and story since 2017 and released it now - FPÖ and Strache in particular had been in their crosshairs since a long time ago.
    The man he replaced was assassinated - “car accident”.

    Local intelligence/media case - a “Serbian” media (Kurir - Adria Media Group - Styria) had released damning evidence obtained by tapping the communication between Slovenian officials and arbitrators in Slovenia/Croatia coastline arbitration. The Slovenians were caught bribing and explicitly buying off the whole court.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this - released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    Do you have any viable alternative to Atlanticism? Folks in France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan etc sometimes imagine that the world will be better if “Anglo supremacy” is brought down. However their alternatives are often not viable at all.

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism I’m aware of are Islam (through high TFR, high social unity and lack of fear of death), AI dominance, alien invasion and global Africanization (through extremely high TFR).

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    Do we need another global supremacy?
    , @German_reader

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism...global Africanization
     
    That's no alternative, it's part of the Atlanticist programme.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Russia and soon perhaps China as well don't seem to have much of a choice in the matter, but for other countries the cost of isolating themselves from the American economy is high. The costs of openly antagonizing the American dweeb state are higher still.

    That said, I'm not convinced that economic and security partnership necessarily requires the acceptance of globohomo. Just have a look at America's fine, upstanding allies in the Persian Gulf like Saudi Arabia.

    Given the overwhelming magnetism of the imperial center, it seems to me the most important thing for any country regardless of its strategic orientation is to maintain a very firm monopoly on the transmission of culture, propaganda, and education to one's own people.
    , @Epigon
    Concert of Europe, Holy Alliance, Bismarck system (GOAT politician)?
  48. @Thorfinnsson
    White is a "socially constructed" group which encompasses people of Christian, European descent. Prior to the Age of Discovery, the term "Christian" would've meant the same thing.

    Genetically and phenotypically however, Mediterranean Europeans often have more in common with other peoples of the Mediterranean basin and Western Asia than they do with Northern Europeans. Bashar Assad for instance looks more similar to Matteo Salvini than I do.

    When non-European Caucasoids, especially when Christian, relocate to Western countries (especially the USA, where identity is highly racialized) there emerges a dispute about whether or not they're "really" white.

    This came up because of Roosh, a (former?) pickup artist from America who lives in Eastern Europe. People find non-whites screwing our whores to be more objectionable than when we ourselves do it, so I often see people on this part of the internet attacking his alleged non-white background.

    Are Albanians and Bosniaks white then?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    I'm generally not willing to except Mohammedans of any kind as white, let alone Balkanoid swine.

    But some others would say that yes they are white.
  49. @szopen
    I don't care much about NE Asia. I was talking about Eastern Europe, where women are more traditional. THis model is under attack from the pop-culture and maybe the fight for keeping traditional morality, family and gender roles is already lost; but Rooshv is not just passive observer. He is active part of the forces corroding conservative values in Central-Eastern Europe.

    You just can't claim you are all for traditional roles, conservatism and morality while cheering a guy who participates in attack on all those things.

    They’re not traditional, unless tradition to you means the 1970s.

    Women in Eastern Europe are all whores and have been for decades, no different than in Western Europe and the New World. They’re just thinner and dress better, and Homintern hasn’t assimilated the region (yet).

    Your other point is warranted but isn’t specific to Roosh or Eastern Europe.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe. Most of this nonsense about Eastern Europe seems to come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere. In reality, Slavs have the trashiest subcultures in all of the West outside of immigrant groups.
  50. @Anonymous
    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more "legitimate" or "lawful," as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?

    If President Assad had come to power through a free election, and could be unseated by the same, he would be perfectly justified in claiming superior legitimacy to armed rebels. However, Assad's claim to power is that his father took and consolidated power through a series of military coups, and then named him as his successor. He then held a series of laughable sham elections in which he received Soviet-tier vote shares.

    Assad therefore held power in 2011 because he and his allies had done the best job of attaining military superiority, not because they had done the best job of following the laws or convincing people in Syria that they were the best suited to rule. (A humorous yet illustrative example of how the Syrian government decides on a whim what the law will be is the case of the constitutional age threshold to become president, which was conveniently lowered in 2000 from 40 to 34, then Bashar al-Assad's age.)

    Why can't the Sunnis of Syria give this whole "I have military superiority, therefore I get to be in charge and decide what the laws are" business a go, then? It seems to me that they have as much right to participate in the "Who is the best at killing, imprisoning and/or torturing anyone opposed to them?" sweepstakes as President Assad does.

    It's like that famous parable of St. Augustine's quoted by Chomsky:

    In the "City of God," St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, "How dare you molest the seas?" To which the pirate replied, "How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor.
     

    Because it is the national government and more capable of providing stability than the random groups of armed rural Sunnis.

  51. @Epigon
    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
    Of course select media and journalists are inseparable from intelligence and security organizations in the West.
    They held on to the video and story since 2017 and released it now - FPÖ and Strache in particular had been in their crosshairs since a long time ago.
    The man he replaced was assassinated - “car accident”.

    Local intelligence/media case - a “Serbian” media (Kurir - Adria Media Group - Styria) had released damning evidence obtained by tapping the communication between Slovenian officials and arbitrators in Slovenia/Croatia coastline arbitration. The Slovenians were caught bribing and explicitly buying off the whole court.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this - released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    A lot of Austrian right-wingers believe that as well, certainly makes you think that he belongs to a network like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    I worked with a Lithuanian fellow who was in some young leaders thing, Young European Leaders, he also went to the Lithuanian Military Academy as well as being a reservist. When the uprising in the Donbass started he left his job in London and went to help the new Ukrainian government, adviser to the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine etc. Not the brightest lad, couldn't even pass CFA level one, but has been doing various stuff in the Ukrainian government and transnational institutions, such as something called the global shapers community. I bet his and my Russian nationalist boss wasn't happy
  52. @EastKekistani
    Are Albanians and Bosniaks white then?

    I’m generally not willing to except Mohammedans of any kind as white, let alone Balkanoid swine.

    But some others would say that yes they are white.

  53. @EastKekistani
    Do you have any viable alternative to Atlanticism? Folks in France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan etc sometimes imagine that the world will be better if "Anglo supremacy" is brought down. However their alternatives are often not viable at all.

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism I'm aware of are Islam (through high TFR, high social unity and lack of fear of death), AI dominance, alien invasion and global Africanization (through extremely high TFR).

    Do we need another global supremacy?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Did the world benefit from Pax Romana? What about Pax Americana? Why do you want it gone?
  54. @szopen
    I don't care much about NE Asia. I was talking about Eastern Europe, where women are more traditional. THis model is under attack from the pop-culture and maybe the fight for keeping traditional morality, family and gender roles is already lost; but Rooshv is not just passive observer. He is active part of the forces corroding conservative values in Central-Eastern Europe.

    You just can't claim you are all for traditional roles, conservatism and morality while cheering a guy who participates in attack on all those things.

    The guy is a useless tard, and reading between lines of his text, he was perceived as such by our local womyn.

    Quality Serbian women are emancipated in a completely different way than Western ones – they know their value, understand where that value comes from and would never risk it or throw it away. It is brutal but honest – I was outcompeted by a better suitor and told so by a 10/10.

    There is a reason why Christian Bale, Melnichenko, Ecclestone, Bin Drai, Jarmoluk etc. married Serb women.

  55. @EastKekistani
    Do you have any viable alternative to Atlanticism? Folks in France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan etc sometimes imagine that the world will be better if "Anglo supremacy" is brought down. However their alternatives are often not viable at all.

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism I'm aware of are Islam (through high TFR, high social unity and lack of fear of death), AI dominance, alien invasion and global Africanization (through extremely high TFR).

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism…global Africanization

    That’s no alternative, it’s part of the Atlanticist programme.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Africanization is death.
    , @songbird
    Recently, I skimmed through an old book that advocated for Atlanticism, Union Now by Clarence Streit.

    To me, it was disturbing because I could sense the strong internationalism in it. He was comparing countries to the states in America, saying that there should be universal suffrage and travel between them, and he included South Africa in his list of starting states, with the hope that it would eventually expand to encompass the whole world. Since I had heard the same ideas before, I began to wonder at his roots - supposedly Palatine German.

    But Orwell stupidly wrote of it:

    [O]ne begins to see what would really be happening if Mr Streit's scheme were put into operation. The British and French empires, with their six hundred million disenfranchised human beings, would simply be receiving fresh police forces; the huge strength of the USA would be behind the robbery of India and Africa. Mr Streit is letting cats out of bags, but all phrases like ‘Peace Bloc’, ‘Peace Front’, etc contain some such implication; all imply a tightening-up of the existing structure.
     
  56. @EastKekistani
    Do you have any viable alternative to Atlanticism? Folks in France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan etc sometimes imagine that the world will be better if "Anglo supremacy" is brought down. However their alternatives are often not viable at all.

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism I'm aware of are Islam (through high TFR, high social unity and lack of fear of death), AI dominance, alien invasion and global Africanization (through extremely high TFR).

    Russia and soon perhaps China as well don’t seem to have much of a choice in the matter, but for other countries the cost of isolating themselves from the American economy is high. The costs of openly antagonizing the American dweeb state are higher still.

    That said, I’m not convinced that economic and security partnership necessarily requires the acceptance of globohomo. Just have a look at America’s fine, upstanding allies in the Persian Gulf like Saudi Arabia.

    Given the overwhelming magnetism of the imperial center, it seems to me the most important thing for any country regardless of its strategic orientation is to maintain a very firm monopoly on the transmission of culture, propaganda, and education to one’s own people.

    • Replies: @Mitleser

    Given the overwhelming magnetism of the imperial center, it seems to me the most important thing for any country regardless of its strategic orientation is to maintain a very firm monopoly on the transmission of culture, propaganda, and education to one’s own people.
     
    https://pics.onsizzle.com/only-a-fool-would-let-his-enemy-teach-his-children-9299520.png
  57. @Mitleser
    Do we need another global supremacy?

    Did the world benefit from Pax Romana? What about Pax Americana? Why do you want it gone?

    • Replies: @Epigon
    Where exactly is this Pax in Pax Americana?

    Why don’t you reduce the quantity and focus on the quality of your comments?
    , @Mitleser
    Why do you want to keep it?
  58. @German_reader

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism...global Africanization
     
    That's no alternative, it's part of the Atlanticist programme.

    Africanization is death.

  59. @EastKekistani
    Do you have any viable alternative to Atlanticism? Folks in France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan etc sometimes imagine that the world will be better if "Anglo supremacy" is brought down. However their alternatives are often not viable at all.

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism I'm aware of are Islam (through high TFR, high social unity and lack of fear of death), AI dominance, alien invasion and global Africanization (through extremely high TFR).

    Concert of Europe, Holy Alliance, Bismarck system (GOAT politician)?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Is this feasible today? Why did every single France-led, Germany-led or Russia-led challenge to the Anglo system fail?
  60. @Epigon
    Concert of Europe, Holy Alliance, Bismarck system (GOAT politician)?

    Is this feasible today? Why did every single France-led, Germany-led or Russia-led challenge to the Anglo system fail?

    • Replies: @Epigon
    Because being the underdog in reality, outside of Hollywood crap means you will be defeated in a war? Why didn’t you throw in the Spaniards or the Dutch, the first two enemies Anglos defeated to establish their maritime and mercantile hegemony?

    There never was a Russian-led challenge to Anglo or Atlanticist power - the one monarch which tried reaching an understanding with Napoleon was soon murdered and replaced.

  61. @EastKekistani
    Did the world benefit from Pax Romana? What about Pax Americana? Why do you want it gone?

    Where exactly is this Pax in Pax Americana?

    Why don’t you reduce the quantity and focus on the quality of your comments?

    • LOL: iffen
  62. @EastKekistani
    Is this feasible today? Why did every single France-led, Germany-led or Russia-led challenge to the Anglo system fail?

    Because being the underdog in reality, outside of Hollywood crap means you will be defeated in a war? Why didn’t you throw in the Spaniards or the Dutch, the first two enemies Anglos defeated to establish their maritime and mercantile hegemony?

    There never was a Russian-led challenge to Anglo or Atlanticist power – the one monarch which tried reaching an understanding with Napoleon was soon murdered and replaced.

  63. @EastKekistani
    Did the world benefit from Pax Romana? What about Pax Americana? Why do you want it gone?

    Why do you want to keep it?

  64. @Thorfinnsson
    Russia and soon perhaps China as well don't seem to have much of a choice in the matter, but for other countries the cost of isolating themselves from the American economy is high. The costs of openly antagonizing the American dweeb state are higher still.

    That said, I'm not convinced that economic and security partnership necessarily requires the acceptance of globohomo. Just have a look at America's fine, upstanding allies in the Persian Gulf like Saudi Arabia.

    Given the overwhelming magnetism of the imperial center, it seems to me the most important thing for any country regardless of its strategic orientation is to maintain a very firm monopoly on the transmission of culture, propaganda, and education to one's own people.

    Given the overwhelming magnetism of the imperial center, it seems to me the most important thing for any country regardless of its strategic orientation is to maintain a very firm monopoly on the transmission of culture, propaganda, and education to one’s own people.

  65. @German_reader

    The only viable alternatives to Atlanticism...global Africanization
     
    That's no alternative, it's part of the Atlanticist programme.

    Recently, I skimmed through an old book that advocated for Atlanticism, Union Now by Clarence Streit.

    To me, it was disturbing because I could sense the strong internationalism in it. He was comparing countries to the states in America, saying that there should be universal suffrage and travel between them, and he included South Africa in his list of starting states, with the hope that it would eventually expand to encompass the whole world. Since I had heard the same ideas before, I began to wonder at his roots – supposedly Palatine German.

    But Orwell stupidly wrote of it:

    [O]ne begins to see what would really be happening if Mr Streit’s scheme were put into operation. The British and French empires, with their six hundred million disenfranchised human beings, would simply be receiving fresh police forces; the huge strength of the USA would be behind the robbery of India and Africa. Mr Streit is letting cats out of bags, but all phrases like ‘Peace Bloc’, ‘Peace Front’, etc contain some such implication; all imply a tightening-up of the existing structure.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    H.G. Wells also advocated for a world state for much of his life (something which Orwell criticized as naive iirc).
    e.g. he wrote this profoundly idiotic novel:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shape_of_Things_to_Come
    It's of course disturbing that Wells viewed this as a desirable utopia.
  66. @German_reader
    https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5630280/Woher-kommt-das-StracheVideo

    Allegedly members of Austrian security services have said they believe the Strache video was made by some Western intelligence agency, with deliberate intention to release it shortly before the EU elections and weaken FPÖ by that.
    US security services have allegedly expressed grave concern about connections between the FPÖ and Russia.
  67. @songbird
    Recently, I skimmed through an old book that advocated for Atlanticism, Union Now by Clarence Streit.

    To me, it was disturbing because I could sense the strong internationalism in it. He was comparing countries to the states in America, saying that there should be universal suffrage and travel between them, and he included South Africa in his list of starting states, with the hope that it would eventually expand to encompass the whole world. Since I had heard the same ideas before, I began to wonder at his roots - supposedly Palatine German.

    But Orwell stupidly wrote of it:

    [O]ne begins to see what would really be happening if Mr Streit's scheme were put into operation. The British and French empires, with their six hundred million disenfranchised human beings, would simply be receiving fresh police forces; the huge strength of the USA would be behind the robbery of India and Africa. Mr Streit is letting cats out of bags, but all phrases like ‘Peace Bloc’, ‘Peace Front’, etc contain some such implication; all imply a tightening-up of the existing structure.
     

    H.G. Wells also advocated for a world state for much of his life (something which Orwell criticized as naive iirc).
    e.g. he wrote this profoundly idiotic novel:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shape_of_Things_to_Come
    It’s of course disturbing that Wells viewed this as a desirable utopia.

    • Replies: @songbird
    It always disturbed me how Wells glossed over the murder of the Romanovs, tried to exculpate Lenin, and took Stalin's economic reports as gospel.
  68. @EastKekistani
    It's probably just because India isn't Abrahamic.

    Were ancient Greece and Rome "pozzed" because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals? No! Same for abortion..Sparta practiced exposure so it must be even more pro-choice and feminist than modern West, right? Nope.

    Were ancient Greece and Rome “pozzed” because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals?

    Yes

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    What is pozzed in your opinion? Can there be traditional pozzed cultures?
  69. @Kent Nationalist

    Were ancient Greece and Rome “pozzed” because they had a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals?
     
    Yes

    What is pozzed in your opinion? Can there be traditional pozzed cultures?

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    Raping little boys is traditional in Afghanistan. Similarly homosexual rape was traditional in Uganda before Christianity.
  70. @Kent Nationalist
    Homo imperialism strikes again; only a few months ago it was India. Why do judges do this?

    A Referendum in Taiwan outlawing gaymarriage passed with a 72% majority just 6 months ago. This is not checks and balances. This is homosexual authoritarianism. https://t.co/hTanGlMsbL— Spandrell (@thespandrell) May 17, 2019
     

    Who cares? Taiwan is not an Abrahamic state. Why does it have to care about Abrahamic morality? There are issues in the Sinosphere as thorny and controversial as abortion and homosexuality in the West & Muslim world that are not controversial at all in the West.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    Who cares?
     
    Presumably the large majority of Taiwanese people who voted in a referendum not to allow gay marriage, only to have their decision overturned by judges.

    Taiwan is not an Abrahamic state. Why does it have to care about Abrahamic morality?
     
    You have a very strange understanding of morality; it is what allows people to live in a good way, not a burden to try and avoid.

    There are issues in the Sinosphere as thorny and controversial as abortion and homosexuality in the West & Muslim world that are not controversial at all in the West.
     
    Like what? I actually am curious.
  71. @EastKekistani
    Who cares? Taiwan is not an Abrahamic state. Why does it have to care about Abrahamic morality? There are issues in the Sinosphere as thorny and controversial as abortion and homosexuality in the West & Muslim world that are not controversial at all in the West.

    Who cares?

    Presumably the large majority of Taiwanese people who voted in a referendum not to allow gay marriage, only to have their decision overturned by judges.

    Taiwan is not an Abrahamic state. Why does it have to care about Abrahamic morality?

    You have a very strange understanding of morality; it is what allows people to live in a good way, not a burden to try and avoid.

    There are issues in the Sinosphere as thorny and controversial as abortion and homosexuality in the West & Muslim world that are not controversial at all in the West.

    Like what? I actually am curious.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Like what? I actually am curious.
     
    Sure. Here are some examples.

    1. Is TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) scientific?

    2. Shall daughter-in-laws obey their mother-in-laws? What shall men do when their mothers and wives quarrel?

    3. Is the nature of the Chinese people compatible with democracy? Why or why not?

    4. Shall the hukou system (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system) be abolished?

    5. Which provinces in China suck?

    6. Is Taiwan a country or a province of China?

    7. Shall Hong Kong become an independent state or remain a part of China?

    8. Shall married male adults live with their parents?

    Are they alien and absurd to you?

  72. @EastKekistani
    What is pozzed in your opinion? Can there be traditional pozzed cultures?

    Raping little boys is traditional in Afghanistan. Similarly homosexual rape was traditional in Uganda before Christianity.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    So you consider these to be pozzed..OK..Do you want me to play the devil's advocate and argue for such rape on the grounds of authority?

    Of course we can also advocate against it on many grounds from three Abrahamic religions to right to bodily integrity and NAP.

    See? Unlike science, human ethics is a mess. What I described isn't even the most disgusting issue in human ethics. There are even worse issues. For example..what's your opinion on violence?

  73. @Kent Nationalist
    Raping little boys is traditional in Afghanistan. Similarly homosexual rape was traditional in Uganda before Christianity.

    So you consider these to be pozzed..OK..Do you want me to play the devil’s advocate and argue for such rape on the grounds of authority?

    Of course we can also advocate against it on many grounds from three Abrahamic religions to right to bodily integrity and NAP.

    See? Unlike science, human ethics is a mess. What I described isn’t even the most disgusting issue in human ethics. There are even worse issues. For example..what’s your opinion on violence?

  74. @German_reader
    H.G. Wells also advocated for a world state for much of his life (something which Orwell criticized as naive iirc).
    e.g. he wrote this profoundly idiotic novel:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shape_of_Things_to_Come
    It's of course disturbing that Wells viewed this as a desirable utopia.

    It always disturbed me how Wells glossed over the murder of the Romanovs, tried to exculpate Lenin, and took Stalin’s economic reports as gospel.

  75. @Epigon
    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
    Of course select media and journalists are inseparable from intelligence and security organizations in the West.
    They held on to the video and story since 2017 and released it now - FPÖ and Strache in particular had been in their crosshairs since a long time ago.
    The man he replaced was assassinated - “car accident”.

    Local intelligence/media case - a “Serbian” media (Kurir - Adria Media Group - Styria) had released damning evidence obtained by tapping the communication between Slovenian officials and arbitrators in Slovenia/Croatia coastline arbitration. The Slovenians were caught bribing and explicitly buying off the whole court.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this - released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    Kurz is a Chad who was doing what the Virgin Strache was only talking about.

    Der österreichische Immobilien-Spekulant René Benko kauft sich bei zwei großen österreichischen Medien ein: Sein Signa Konzern wird 24,22 Prozent am „Kurier“ und 24,5 Prozent an der „Krone“ erhalten. Benko gehört zum „innersten Kreis“ und Netzwerk von Sebastian Kurz. Der Kanzler wiederum hilft dem Konzernchef bei seinen Geschäftsanbahnungen – zuletzt bei der Übernahme der Kika-Leiner Kette.

    https://kontrast.at/rene-benko-krone-kurier-kurz/

    The Austrian real estate speculator René Benko buys into two major Austrian media: his Signa Group will receive 24.22 percent of “Kurier” and 24.5 percent of “Krone”. Benko belongs to the “inner circle” and network of Sebastian Kurz. The Chancellor, in turn, helps the CEO with his business initiations – most recently with the takeover of the Kika-Leiner chain.

    https://www.deepl.com/Translator

  76. @Kent Nationalist

    Who cares?
     
    Presumably the large majority of Taiwanese people who voted in a referendum not to allow gay marriage, only to have their decision overturned by judges.

    Taiwan is not an Abrahamic state. Why does it have to care about Abrahamic morality?
     
    You have a very strange understanding of morality; it is what allows people to live in a good way, not a burden to try and avoid.

    There are issues in the Sinosphere as thorny and controversial as abortion and homosexuality in the West & Muslim world that are not controversial at all in the West.
     
    Like what? I actually am curious.

    Like what? I actually am curious.

    Sure. Here are some examples.

    1. Is TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) scientific?

    2. Shall daughter-in-laws obey their mother-in-laws? What shall men do when their mothers and wives quarrel?

    3. Is the nature of the Chinese people compatible with democracy? Why or why not?

    4. Shall the hukou system (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system) be abolished?

    5. Which provinces in China suck?

    6. Is Taiwan a country or a province of China?

    7. Shall Hong Kong become an independent state or remain a part of China?

    8. Shall married male adults live with their parents?

    Are they alien and absurd to you?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    1. No

    2. No; side with the correct party

    3. Yes, based on the examples of South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.

    4. Yes

    5. No idea

    6. Both

    7. The latter

    8. Ideally, no. But sometimes material circumstances dictate it.
    , @Jason Liu
    No human anywhere is compatible with democracy, dude. They just don't realize it yet. Once a society starts practicing democracy the way it's meant to, things start to go downhill.

    When democracy "works" it's because it retains un-democratic elements from the past, meaning the society functions despite democracy, not because of it.
    , @Kent Nationalist
    They are alien in the sense that many of them are specific to China, but none of them are absurd except 1 and 5 which are obviously not moral questions.
  77. @EastKekistani

    Like what? I actually am curious.
     
    Sure. Here are some examples.

    1. Is TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) scientific?

    2. Shall daughter-in-laws obey their mother-in-laws? What shall men do when their mothers and wives quarrel?

    3. Is the nature of the Chinese people compatible with democracy? Why or why not?

    4. Shall the hukou system (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system) be abolished?

    5. Which provinces in China suck?

    6. Is Taiwan a country or a province of China?

    7. Shall Hong Kong become an independent state or remain a part of China?

    8. Shall married male adults live with their parents?

    Are they alien and absurd to you?

    1. No

    2. No; side with the correct party

    3. Yes, based on the examples of South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.

    4. Yes

    5. No idea

    6. Both

    7. The latter

    8. Ideally, no. But sometimes material circumstances dictate it.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I largely agree with you however almost everyone in China doesn't. That means despite being a far-rightist racially by Sinosphere standards I'm socially extremely liberal (and hence very un-PC under Sinosphere norms).

    Now I will explain some of the extremely controversial points.

    1 is essentially Young Earth Creationism in China. It has been tied to Chinese nationalism which makes criticism of TCM fairly un-PC.

    2 and 8 are VERY HUGE ISSUES in every single Confucianism-influenced society. You may not realize the fact that all but the more radical trads in the West such as @216 agree with us on them. You are very lucky to have been born to parents within the Hajnal Line.

    The rest are mostly contemporary political issues instead of cultural ones even though they are also heated.
  78. Ahh… the end result of “free media” turns out not to be free at all.

    Sometimes I think the CCP goes too far in internet censorship, but then I see you people get deplatformed and think, “Yeah, better send some guys to kick down that liberal dissident’s door. Just in case.”

  79. @EastKekistani

    Like what? I actually am curious.
     
    Sure. Here are some examples.

    1. Is TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) scientific?

    2. Shall daughter-in-laws obey their mother-in-laws? What shall men do when their mothers and wives quarrel?

    3. Is the nature of the Chinese people compatible with democracy? Why or why not?

    4. Shall the hukou system (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system) be abolished?

    5. Which provinces in China suck?

    6. Is Taiwan a country or a province of China?

    7. Shall Hong Kong become an independent state or remain a part of China?

    8. Shall married male adults live with their parents?

    Are they alien and absurd to you?

    No human anywhere is compatible with democracy, dude. They just don’t realize it yet. Once a society starts practicing democracy the way it’s meant to, things start to go downhill.

    When democracy “works” it’s because it retains un-democratic elements from the past, meaning the society functions despite democracy, not because of it.

  80. @Thorfinnsson
    They're not traditional, unless tradition to you means the 1970s.

    Women in Eastern Europe are all whores and have been for decades, no different than in Western Europe and the New World. They're just thinner and dress better, and Homintern hasn't assimilated the region (yet).

    Your other point is warranted but isn't specific to Roosh or Eastern Europe.

    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe. Most of this nonsense about Eastern Europe seems to come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere. In reality, Slavs have the trashiest subcultures in all of the West outside of immigrant groups.

    • Replies: @Adam
    Eastern Europe isn't only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.

    Even Russia is increasingly converging with the west in sexual morals, not that that's a great achievement. It's also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.


    come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere
     
    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90's. The Western elites didn't have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there.

    The spreading of poz is not only a goal of the all pervasive American media and entertainment industry, but is an explicit policy goal of the state department. Russia isn't perfect, but at least it's not a dildocracy ruining the rest of the world.

    , @LatW
    Just because some EE women are occassionally promiscuous doesn't mean foreign men of any race or nationality should have ever been given any kind of access to them. In hindsight, that was a huge mistake and in fact a catastrophe - here one must agree with Putin. Thankfully this problem is being mitigated as EE men are visibly improving their health and status.

    That a disgusting maggot such as Roosh is still walking around freely is a huge insult to EE men and their whole societies. Granted, he is clandestine and most guys probably just view him as a random churka just passing through. Another reason to undo the visa waiver.

    EE women are emancipated in a different way, like Epigon said. Anglo Germanic women are required by their culture to develop a manly soul. EE women can have long dry spells, too. They should be tucked away.

    In any event they don't owe it to any foreign men to be any certain way.
    , @AP

    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe
     
    HIV rate in Ukraine ( a proxy for STDs in general) varies by region:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Registered_HIV_prevalence_in_Ukraine.jpg/1280px-Registered_HIV_prevalence_in_Ukraine.jpg

    Also, rate in Poland, Slovakia is very low:

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Nearly-two-thirds-of-European-HIV-cases-are-now-in-Russia/page/3109895/
  81. Adam says:
    @EldnahYm
    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe. Most of this nonsense about Eastern Europe seems to come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere. In reality, Slavs have the trashiest subcultures in all of the West outside of immigrant groups.

    Eastern Europe isn’t only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.

    Even Russia is increasingly converging with the west in sexual morals, not that that’s a great achievement. It’s also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.

    come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere

    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90’s. The Western elites didn’t have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there.

    The spreading of poz is not only a goal of the all pervasive American media and entertainment industry, but is an explicit policy goal of the state department. Russia isn’t perfect, but at least it’s not a dildocracy ruining the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm

    Eastern Europe isn’t only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.
     
    Russia and Ukraine alone represent a large fraction of Eastern Europe's population, enough to make what I say true even if there were very little problems elsewhere. I use STDs as just an example, because the stats are easy to check. I think it's a notable one too, because in countries where there is not open encouragement of homosexuality or large numbers of Blacks, it's inexcusable to have such high STD rates.

    The popular sex tourism locations in Europe are in Eastern Europe, almost all in Slavic countries. Some of that is due to lower income, but much of it isn't, the people of Prague for example aren't poor.

    There are other metrics. Breast implants per capita and other plastic surgeries are unusually common in many countries there, especially considering they are poorer. It's not just Russia or Ukraine either. There are subcultures in Serbia for example that are incredibly trashy.

    Polish girls are known for being easy among foreigners. Granted this probably only applies to a certain sub section in certain cities, and I would agree with you that the Poles are not one of the most degenerate peoples in this respect. But none of this really negates what I said.


    It’s also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.
     
    It may be in decline, but not really a myth. Russia women are still selling their wares, and are quite popular in Asia. Mind you I don't wish to bash Eastern European prostitutes, many of them have probably been forced into their position by all kinds of unsavory characters, but nevertheless these kinds of examples disprove the naïve claims made about Eastern European women. Eastern European women aren't exactly underrepresented in the porn industry either.

    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90’s. The Western elites didn’t have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there..
     
    The worst aspect of your first sentence, emphasizing the Anglosphere, is that it gives the French a free pass. Despicable. Also wrong. The idea that Anglophone countries are looser than Mediterranean or Scandinavian countries is false. In reality Whites in the U.S. have historically been more sexually conservative than Whites in most of Europe, and has been that way for a long time.

    Your summary of Soviet history is nonsense. First, it's more complicated than that. In the early days of Bolshevism there was quite a bit of sexual revolution in the cities, in excess of what was going on in the non-Mediterranean west, but later it was repressed, and had basically disappeared post-WW2.

    Furthermore, the Soviet Union fell because people(especially the leaders) didn't want to keep it going, not because any outside force caused it to fall. It was the desires of people in the Soviet Union to imitate the West that caused them to give up what were otherwise perfectly stable regimes. One could make a better case that the degeneracy caused the collapse, not the other way around as you put it. Of course I don't actually support communist regimes, but it's undeniable that the societies were more conservative.

    I could also take your second last sentence and turn it around as well. Westerners had to be propagandized for decades to create the conditions that began in the 1960s. The Soviet Eastern Europe were far more closed off societies, but they nevertheless were keen to embrace supposedly Western norms.

    , @Thorfinnsson
    Poland has a low divorce rate and heavily restricts abortion, but it too is not "traditional". Plenty of available Polish women in clubs in downtown Warsaw and Krakow, and of course lots of Polish women work abroad.

    Since this started with Roosh, it should be pointed out that he has lived Poland on and off for many years now.

    Eastern Europe is not innocent in the sexual revolution area either in light of what early communist regimes were like in the USSR and Hungary.
  82. LatW says:
    @EldnahYm
    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe. Most of this nonsense about Eastern Europe seems to come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere. In reality, Slavs have the trashiest subcultures in all of the West outside of immigrant groups.

    Just because some EE women are occassionally promiscuous doesn’t mean foreign men of any race or nationality should have ever been given any kind of access to them. In hindsight, that was a huge mistake and in fact a catastrophe – here one must agree with Putin. Thankfully this problem is being mitigated as EE men are visibly improving their health and status.

    That a disgusting maggot such as Roosh is still walking around freely is a huge insult to EE men and their whole societies. Granted, he is clandestine and most guys probably just view him as a random churka just passing through. Another reason to undo the visa waiver.

    EE women are emancipated in a different way, like Epigon said. Anglo Germanic women are required by their culture to develop a manly soul. EE women can have long dry spells, too. They should be tucked away.

    In any event they don’t owe it to any foreign men to be any certain way.

    • Agree: Adam
    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Thot patrol starts at home. If your women are sleeping with numerous local men, there is no reason not to expect them to sleep with foreign men either.

    "Seek sexual pleasure but NOT with men who have foreign passports!!!"

    Not very viable.
  83. @E

    Something to do with Ukraine or the Baltics?
     
    Bingo. Some of the Baltics honour SS veterans and Ukraine honours Bandera. Hardly surprising that this would be interpreted in Russia as a threat that could mean that tens of millions of their countrymen died in vain.
    Since Western historiography officially takes the same anti-Nazi position, Putin is hoping to convince the Western sponsors of Ukraine and the Baltics to reel them in.

    It's not really clear why they should do that, though. Russia is currently seen as a bigger threat.
    After all, they can just do like the Americans or Saudis with Islamic jihadists: send them abroad to fight for geopolitical advantage on the front lines, but persecute and monitor them at home. Aside from some exceptions, it seems to work.

    So the EU shouldn't be bothered as long as this pro-Hitler stuff stays only on the EU's borders with Russia, firming up the local resolve to resist Russia.

    There are a couple of almost dead volunteer veterans in the Baltic states who mostly had no particular ideological attachment to Nazism, just the desire to fight the Soviets who were at least as bad as the Nazis. Belief that communism was as bad or even worse than fascism is not at all an unusual opinion in the West and Putin’s claims to oppose “extremism” are hard to take seriously if he refuses to condemn Russian attempts to maintain monuments to Red Army butchers in the Baltic states.

    Near dead Baltic volunteers may work as a propaganda tool for Russian domestic consumption based on endless recycling of ossified 1940s Stalinist propaganda but few people outside of Russia and paid shills are going to notice. The West has now decided that the evil core of Nazism was its opposition to the West’s liberal pro-LGBT, pro-multiculturalist and anti-Christian values. Young Balts are rapidly absorbing that liberal worldview and Russia which is failing to embrace LBGT acceptance, anti-Christianity and all the other signals of being anti-Nazi is not a plausible accuser in comparison.

    Stalinist Russia is also basically indistinguishable from Nazism by that standard so the youth of today looking back at things sees WWII as just German Nazis vs Russian Nazis. Germany comes out better in this view because their Nazism was destroyed and replaced with liberalism while Russia is still “Nazi”.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader

    There are a couple of almost dead volunteer veterans in the Baltic states
     
    Were they actually even all volunteers? iirc many of those in the Latvian Waffen-SS divisions were conscripted.
  84. @Thulean Friend

    He is part of a wave which aims to transform traditional societies in the East and enjoys being part of that wave.
     
    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what's most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.

    It says a lot about the decrepit state of White people that such a person faces no discrimination even in supposedly White 'nationalist' circles.

    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what’s most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.

    False. Roosh is white. There was a big debate on CH for a long time about whether Roosh is white. Heartiste looked at the arguments from both sides, weighted the points, and ruled that Roosh is white.

    Remember that Roosh went to South America before he ever went to EE.

    You are just jealous that he did what should have been even easier for you, but you could not do it.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?
    , @szopen
    It's not about being jealous. Maybe it's impposible to imagine for you, but some of us are monogamous conservative men (happily married and with children) - after all, it's well known that men divide into two kinds (i.e. some are genetically predisposed to monogamy, and some are not). It's rather being irritated, like when you are sitting next to a fountain, enjoying the site, and then some drunken foreign tourist comes and pisses into the fountain, boasting that he is so rich he can pay any fine without a trouble. If you are complaining, it's not because "you are just jealous that he is rich and can piss into as many fountains as he wants, while you are poor". It's complaining because this drunken tourist is disgusting disgrace to human race.
  85. @Anonymous

    Can someone explain to why the Damascus government in Syria is more “legitimate” or “lawful,” as those who support it often proclaim, than a random group of armed Sunnis who seek to overthrow it?
     
    It's not, really: Assad is just the strongman who managed to achieve some measure of stability and isn't especially horrible by regional standards. Better to stick with the devil you know. People trying to portray guys like Assad and Maduro as though they are Olof Palme are as laughable as US State Department idiots who think being a "rebel" in the Third World is automatically some badge of honor.

    Better to stick with the devil you know. People trying to portray guys like Assad and Maduro as though they are Olof Palme are as laughable as US State Department idiots who think being a “rebel” in the Third World is automatically some badge of honor.

    Olof Palme is a pretty bad example since he was a ruthless, power hungry would-be dictator who just happened to be constrained by the stability of his country and its institutions. I’m sure he would have been a particularly nasty Bolshevik if he had been operating in Civil War conditions.

    There’s no such thing as a nice leader in revolutions or civil wars or if there are they’re not leading for long (see prince Lvov etc).

  86. @Jaakko Raipala
    There are a couple of almost dead volunteer veterans in the Baltic states who mostly had no particular ideological attachment to Nazism, just the desire to fight the Soviets who were at least as bad as the Nazis. Belief that communism was as bad or even worse than fascism is not at all an unusual opinion in the West and Putin's claims to oppose "extremism" are hard to take seriously if he refuses to condemn Russian attempts to maintain monuments to Red Army butchers in the Baltic states.

    Near dead Baltic volunteers may work as a propaganda tool for Russian domestic consumption based on endless recycling of ossified 1940s Stalinist propaganda but few people outside of Russia and paid shills are going to notice. The West has now decided that the evil core of Nazism was its opposition to the West's liberal pro-LGBT, pro-multiculturalist and anti-Christian values. Young Balts are rapidly absorbing that liberal worldview and Russia which is failing to embrace LBGT acceptance, anti-Christianity and all the other signals of being anti-Nazi is not a plausible accuser in comparison.

    Stalinist Russia is also basically indistinguishable from Nazism by that standard so the youth of today looking back at things sees WWII as just German Nazis vs Russian Nazis. Germany comes out better in this view because their Nazism was destroyed and replaced with liberalism while Russia is still "Nazi".

    There are a couple of almost dead volunteer veterans in the Baltic states

    Were they actually even all volunteers? iirc many of those in the Latvian Waffen-SS divisions were conscripted.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    Most were conscripted but its generally the volunteers who make noise about themselves, run the veteran organizations and parades and so on.

    Though Russia does make noise about the non-volunteers, too. For example, in Estonia people who fought on the German side now get war veteran benefits on top of their pension and Russia has been complaining about that.
    , @LatW
    There were already guerilla units fighting the Red Army before Stahlecker arrived in Riga in July 1941. At first the communication was decent but it deteriorated once the Germans started implementing their goals. There was a lot of back and forth about how our troops should be supplied, who should command them, etc.

    By 1942 it was clear what was going on, at that point the hope was to have the boys available on our territory for when the Russians come back. Germans had other goals as they needed men on the Eastern front and in 1943 started a mobilization (illegal by international standards). The heart, of course, aches for the boys (too many, too young) but it's partially our own fault - these kinds of things need to be resisted more aggressively. The Lithuanians simply evaded the mobilization. It cost them but it cost us more, some must volunteer to die to buy time for others.
  87. @Adam
    Eastern Europe isn't only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.

    Even Russia is increasingly converging with the west in sexual morals, not that that's a great achievement. It's also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.


    come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere
     
    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90's. The Western elites didn't have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there.

    The spreading of poz is not only a goal of the all pervasive American media and entertainment industry, but is an explicit policy goal of the state department. Russia isn't perfect, but at least it's not a dildocracy ruining the rest of the world.

    Eastern Europe isn’t only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.

    Russia and Ukraine alone represent a large fraction of Eastern Europe’s population, enough to make what I say true even if there were very little problems elsewhere. I use STDs as just an example, because the stats are easy to check. I think it’s a notable one too, because in countries where there is not open encouragement of homosexuality or large numbers of Blacks, it’s inexcusable to have such high STD rates.

    The popular sex tourism locations in Europe are in Eastern Europe, almost all in Slavic countries. Some of that is due to lower income, but much of it isn’t, the people of Prague for example aren’t poor.

    There are other metrics. Breast implants per capita and other plastic surgeries are unusually common in many countries there, especially considering they are poorer. It’s not just Russia or Ukraine either. There are subcultures in Serbia for example that are incredibly trashy.

    Polish girls are known for being easy among foreigners. Granted this probably only applies to a certain sub section in certain cities, and I would agree with you that the Poles are not one of the most degenerate peoples in this respect. But none of this really negates what I said.

    It’s also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.

    It may be in decline, but not really a myth. Russia women are still selling their wares, and are quite popular in Asia. Mind you I don’t wish to bash Eastern European prostitutes, many of them have probably been forced into their position by all kinds of unsavory characters, but nevertheless these kinds of examples disprove the naïve claims made about Eastern European women. Eastern European women aren’t exactly underrepresented in the porn industry either.

    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90’s. The Western elites didn’t have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there..

    The worst aspect of your first sentence, emphasizing the Anglosphere, is that it gives the French a free pass. Despicable. Also wrong. The idea that Anglophone countries are looser than Mediterranean or Scandinavian countries is false. In reality Whites in the U.S. have historically been more sexually conservative than Whites in most of Europe, and has been that way for a long time.

    Your summary of Soviet history is nonsense. First, it’s more complicated than that. In the early days of Bolshevism there was quite a bit of sexual revolution in the cities, in excess of what was going on in the non-Mediterranean west, but later it was repressed, and had basically disappeared post-WW2.

    Furthermore, the Soviet Union fell because people(especially the leaders) didn’t want to keep it going, not because any outside force caused it to fall. It was the desires of people in the Soviet Union to imitate the West that caused them to give up what were otherwise perfectly stable regimes. One could make a better case that the degeneracy caused the collapse, not the other way around as you put it. Of course I don’t actually support communist regimes, but it’s undeniable that the societies were more conservative.

    I could also take your second last sentence and turn it around as well. Westerners had to be propagandized for decades to create the conditions that began in the 1960s. The Soviet Eastern Europe were far more closed off societies, but they nevertheless were keen to embrace supposedly Western norms.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    Let me add that when I talked about people with malice, I was not only referring to Eastern Europeans themselves. Many of the people from Anglophone countries who talk about how much better Eastern European women are tend to be the types who are losers back home in the sexual marketplace.

    The spreading of poz is not only a goal of the all pervasive American media and entertainment industry, but is an explicit policy goal of the state department. Russia isn’t perfect, but at least it’s not a dildocracy ruining the rest of the world.
     
    No one is forced to follow Western fashions or watch Hollywood movies. Unfortunately the people of the rest of the world want this stuff. Russia doesn't cause that many problems nowadays simply because they do not have much soft power.
  88. @Thomm

    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what’s most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.
     
    False. Roosh is white. There was a big debate on CH for a long time about whether Roosh is white. Heartiste looked at the arguments from both sides, weighted the points, and ruled that Roosh is white.

    Remember that Roosh went to South America before he ever went to EE.

    You are just jealous that he did what should have been even easier for you, but you could not do it.

    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    It's part of the whole materialist-individualist mindset, accumulating material possessions, fun experiences and hedonism as the highest goals in life.
    Same reason why people admire Donald Trump for being rich and having slept with many women, and consider him an "alpha"...instead of merely a vulgar loudmouth from New York who has adopted the rotten mores of Italian mafiosi and Jewish crooks.
    Needless to say, a genuine nationalist movement ought to cultivate other values.
    This Roosh character is of course simply a degenerate. I hope he'll eventually get beaten to death during one of his sex tourist trips.
    , @Thomm

    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?
     
    Simply because a man decided to change his life and work hard to attain what he wanted. Most people who criticize Roosh envy him. Heartiste praises him to no end.

    By contrast, White Trashionalists are the epitome of whiners who sit behind their keyboards as incels (often resorting to homosexuality as a release), doing nothing.
  89. @EldnahYm

    Eastern Europe isn’t only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.
     
    Russia and Ukraine alone represent a large fraction of Eastern Europe's population, enough to make what I say true even if there were very little problems elsewhere. I use STDs as just an example, because the stats are easy to check. I think it's a notable one too, because in countries where there is not open encouragement of homosexuality or large numbers of Blacks, it's inexcusable to have such high STD rates.

    The popular sex tourism locations in Europe are in Eastern Europe, almost all in Slavic countries. Some of that is due to lower income, but much of it isn't, the people of Prague for example aren't poor.

    There are other metrics. Breast implants per capita and other plastic surgeries are unusually common in many countries there, especially considering they are poorer. It's not just Russia or Ukraine either. There are subcultures in Serbia for example that are incredibly trashy.

    Polish girls are known for being easy among foreigners. Granted this probably only applies to a certain sub section in certain cities, and I would agree with you that the Poles are not one of the most degenerate peoples in this respect. But none of this really negates what I said.


    It’s also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.
     
    It may be in decline, but not really a myth. Russia women are still selling their wares, and are quite popular in Asia. Mind you I don't wish to bash Eastern European prostitutes, many of them have probably been forced into their position by all kinds of unsavory characters, but nevertheless these kinds of examples disprove the naïve claims made about Eastern European women. Eastern European women aren't exactly underrepresented in the porn industry either.

    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90’s. The Western elites didn’t have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there..
     
    The worst aspect of your first sentence, emphasizing the Anglosphere, is that it gives the French a free pass. Despicable. Also wrong. The idea that Anglophone countries are looser than Mediterranean or Scandinavian countries is false. In reality Whites in the U.S. have historically been more sexually conservative than Whites in most of Europe, and has been that way for a long time.

    Your summary of Soviet history is nonsense. First, it's more complicated than that. In the early days of Bolshevism there was quite a bit of sexual revolution in the cities, in excess of what was going on in the non-Mediterranean west, but later it was repressed, and had basically disappeared post-WW2.

    Furthermore, the Soviet Union fell because people(especially the leaders) didn't want to keep it going, not because any outside force caused it to fall. It was the desires of people in the Soviet Union to imitate the West that caused them to give up what were otherwise perfectly stable regimes. One could make a better case that the degeneracy caused the collapse, not the other way around as you put it. Of course I don't actually support communist regimes, but it's undeniable that the societies were more conservative.

    I could also take your second last sentence and turn it around as well. Westerners had to be propagandized for decades to create the conditions that began in the 1960s. The Soviet Eastern Europe were far more closed off societies, but they nevertheless were keen to embrace supposedly Western norms.

    Let me add that when I talked about people with malice, I was not only referring to Eastern Europeans themselves. Many of the people from Anglophone countries who talk about how much better Eastern European women are tend to be the types who are losers back home in the sexual marketplace.

    The spreading of poz is not only a goal of the all pervasive American media and entertainment industry, but is an explicit policy goal of the state department. Russia isn’t perfect, but at least it’s not a dildocracy ruining the rest of the world.

    No one is forced to follow Western fashions or watch Hollywood movies. Unfortunately the people of the rest of the world want this stuff. Russia doesn’t cause that many problems nowadays simply because they do not have much soft power.

  90. @Hyperborean
    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?

    It’s part of the whole materialist-individualist mindset, accumulating material possessions, fun experiences and hedonism as the highest goals in life.
    Same reason why people admire Donald Trump for being rich and having slept with many women, and consider him an “alpha”…instead of merely a vulgar loudmouth from New York who has adopted the rotten mores of Italian mafiosi and Jewish crooks.
    Needless to say, a genuine nationalist movement ought to cultivate other values.
    This Roosh character is of course simply a degenerate. I hope he’ll eventually get beaten to death during one of his sex tourist trips.

    • Agree: Denis
    • Replies: @iffen
    I hope he’ll eventually get beaten to death during one of his sex tourist trips.

    Don't sugar-coat it GR, tell us how you really feel.
  91. @EastKekistani

    Like what? I actually am curious.
     
    Sure. Here are some examples.

    1. Is TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) scientific?

    2. Shall daughter-in-laws obey their mother-in-laws? What shall men do when their mothers and wives quarrel?

    3. Is the nature of the Chinese people compatible with democracy? Why or why not?

    4. Shall the hukou system (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou_system) be abolished?

    5. Which provinces in China suck?

    6. Is Taiwan a country or a province of China?

    7. Shall Hong Kong become an independent state or remain a part of China?

    8. Shall married male adults live with their parents?

    Are they alien and absurd to you?

    They are alien in the sense that many of them are specific to China, but none of them are absurd except 1 and 5 which are obviously not moral questions.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Sure. What about 2 and 8? What do @Talha @Anatoly Karlin and @BengaliCanadianDude think about them?

    Moreover there are also other key social questions. Take inbreeding as an example. @Talha apologizes for it while both the West and NE Asia generally agree that this sucks. Same for child marriages. However if we talk about polytheism then all the devoted Christians, Jews and Muslims would scream that it is extremely immoral, Hindus and Buddhists would say that it rocks and that Abrahamic monotheism is intolerant, New Atheists would say that all religions are false and suck..

    The pre-modern Sinosphere attitude towards homosexuality was.. "I don't give a shit either way".

  92. @Hyperborean
    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?

    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?

    Simply because a man decided to change his life and work hard to attain what he wanted. Most people who criticize Roosh envy him. Heartiste praises him to no end.

    By contrast, White Trashionalists are the epitome of whiners who sit behind their keyboards as incels (often resorting to homosexuality as a release), doing nothing.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    I would rather consider hikikomori to be higher, because whereas hiking are merely shirking their obligations, libertines are actively defying their obligations.
  93. @Thorfinnsson
    1. No

    2. No; side with the correct party

    3. Yes, based on the examples of South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.

    4. Yes

    5. No idea

    6. Both

    7. The latter

    8. Ideally, no. But sometimes material circumstances dictate it.

    I largely agree with you however almost everyone in China doesn’t. That means despite being a far-rightist racially by Sinosphere standards I’m socially extremely liberal (and hence very un-PC under Sinosphere norms).

    Now I will explain some of the extremely controversial points.

    1 is essentially Young Earth Creationism in China. It has been tied to Chinese nationalism which makes criticism of TCM fairly un-PC.

    2 and 8 are VERY HUGE ISSUES in every single Confucianism-influenced society. You may not realize the fact that all but the more radical trads in the West such as @216 agree with us on them. You are very lucky to have been born to parents within the Hajnal Line.

    The rest are mostly contemporary political issues instead of cultural ones even though they are also heated.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    One is mostly harmless aside from the damage that it occasionally does to various endangered species. And since animals only exist to serve people anyway, this is really just conflict between my Western value (cool animals) vs. the Chinese value (tiger dick powder or whatever). And one can even be beneficial in that it might prevent people from seeking unnecessary medical treatment (all medical interventions carry risk).

    Two and eight are, obviously, for Chinese to decided. I know they're big deals for Chinese culture.

    Two I suppose is an interesting discussion which can go many ways, but for #8 I find the concept of adults of means living with their parents to be ridiculous and demeaning. Of course perhaps once you have children then having the grandparents at home to provide childcare is a wise idea.

    #4 is a serious problem. Chinese urban planning and registration remains bizarrely influenced by the ideas of Friedrich Engels, which limits its rate of urbanization and the growth of its best cities. See here: https://andrewbatson.com/2017/05/11/friedrich-engels-is-still-shaping-chinese-cities-120-years-after-his-death/
  94. @Kent Nationalist
    They are alien in the sense that many of them are specific to China, but none of them are absurd except 1 and 5 which are obviously not moral questions.

    Sure. What about 2 and 8? What do @Talha and @BengaliCanadianDude think about them?

    Moreover there are also other key social questions. Take inbreeding as an example. @Talha apologizes for it while both the West and NE Asia generally agree that this sucks. Same for child marriages. However if we talk about polytheism then all the devoted Christians, Jews and Muslims would scream that it is extremely immoral, Hindus and Buddhists would say that it rocks and that Abrahamic monotheism is intolerant, New Atheists would say that all religions are false and suck..

    The pre-modern Sinosphere attitude towards homosexuality was.. “I don’t give a shit either way”.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    Some people are wrong. I don't understand your point.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    My answer is same as Thorfinnsson's and so would be that of most of Russians.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    I don't see the problem with child marriage frankly. My understanding of child marriage is that it is generally arranged and the marriage isn't consummated until both parties are of age.

    As for homo-sexuality, many Western moderates and conservatives had the attitude of not giving a shit either. The trouble with maintaining that attitude is that you might not care about homo-sexuality, but Homintern cares a great deal about you.
  95. Take it with a grain of salt.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Male reproduction being neutral to slightly eugenic is common, JayMan found same thing for USA. It's female reproduction that's highly dysgenic.

    That said, Sweden is one of the countries where rate of reproductive dysgenic decline has been estimated to be one of the lower ones in the industrialized world.
  96. @EastKekistani
    Sure. What about 2 and 8? What do @Talha @Anatoly Karlin and @BengaliCanadianDude think about them?

    Moreover there are also other key social questions. Take inbreeding as an example. @Talha apologizes for it while both the West and NE Asia generally agree that this sucks. Same for child marriages. However if we talk about polytheism then all the devoted Christians, Jews and Muslims would scream that it is extremely immoral, Hindus and Buddhists would say that it rocks and that Abrahamic monotheism is intolerant, New Atheists would say that all religions are false and suck..

    The pre-modern Sinosphere attitude towards homosexuality was.. "I don't give a shit either way".

    Some people are wrong. I don’t understand your point.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    By what standards? This is pretty much the worst problem with ethics. Ethics is highly psychology-dependent so different people do literally inherently differ on what they consider ethical. Moreover there are so many conflicting ethical theories that you can justify anything and everything using the right one. Hell we can even defend and bash the same behavior on both soc lib and soc con grounds. Most people haven't heard such arguments because certain lines of thought tend to be very rare in a given culture but they aren't inherently illegitimate.
    , @EastKekistani
    For example unless one believes in one of the Abrahamic or Indian religions it is very easy to justify infanticide on very soc con grounds. How?

    1. Child sacrifice may be a key ritual in a local religion. If you believe in the religion then of course you should support infanticide. If you don't religion still has crucial social aspects and hence for the sake of social unity you should still support infanticide. "Don't be a New Atheist who ignores social technologies", said Jordan Peterson / Jonathan Haidt / etc. "Don't tear down what you don't understand!", said G.K. Chesterson..

    2. The authority of parents over their children must be total which must include the right to kill their children for any reason or no reason at all. This is literally what ancient Rome and ancient China did.

  97. @Thomm

    Why should such a lifestyle be admirable?
     
    Simply because a man decided to change his life and work hard to attain what he wanted. Most people who criticize Roosh envy him. Heartiste praises him to no end.

    By contrast, White Trashionalists are the epitome of whiners who sit behind their keyboards as incels (often resorting to homosexuality as a release), doing nothing.

    I would rather consider hikikomori to be higher, because whereas hiking are merely shirking their obligations, libertines are actively defying their obligations.

  98. AP says:
    @EldnahYm
    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe. Most of this nonsense about Eastern Europe seems to come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere. In reality, Slavs have the trashiest subcultures in all of the West outside of immigrant groups.

    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe

    HIV rate in Ukraine ( a proxy for STDs in general) varies by region:

    Also, rate in Poland, Slovakia is very low:

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Nearly-two-thirds-of-European-HIV-cases-are-now-in-Russia/page/3109895/

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Russians are more vulnerable than Ukrainians under the same conditions because they have less traditionalist lifestyles. On the one hand, this confirms that. OTOH, it shows that Ukraine is failing in its duty of care to those people (relative to Russia).
    , @Dmitry
    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.

    World capitals of HIV outside Africa - include Ekaterinburg, Perm. (On the other hand, cities like Amsterdam has many times lower rates of HIV compared to ordinary Russian cities.)

    HIV epidemic in this region combination of poor public health service response, bad government policy to drug users and not study causes of epidemic, and heroin flooding up from Afghanistan and along the Silk Road.

    , @Gerard2
    LOL....that has nothing to do with promiscuity you thick cr***n. Lvov isn't know as the sex capital of Europe because of the good morals of the female population you dimwit!

    Places where there is more people, more urbanisation, more jobs, more job prospects, more hospitals, more roads, more housing will also have more HIV cases - particularly up against the North Caucasus of Europe ( Galicia). It has absolutely nothing to do with promiscuity . Not least because also the number of people who have moved from Western Ukraine to Novorossiya/Kiev far outweighs the number who have gone from Donbass or the whole of Novorossiya to western Ukraine over the last 25 years. That would be the same if comparing New York to Montana you dumbass

    A. The map doesn't include Kiev, which would be the most important measure for the whole thing you idiot.

    B. Khlmenitsky Oblast results pretty much contradict your nonsense ( as does Kharkov , one of the most Russian places ever......and the low results in Zakarpattia in the west but not actually a "western Ukrainian" type of place)

    C. Going back to the obvious fact that the places where more people aspire to live there will be more disease possible, you can see that it gets worse - with the failed revolution of "dignity" probably bringing to power less "western Ukrainians" than before.......the head of the Consitutional Court ( in this freakshow will probably be more important a job than ever before) is a woman from Donetsk - a Yanukovich appointee! Think how bad it is, that with all this Banderastanisation/US funded liberasts/Svidomism, on the main thing they go on about (rule of law/corruption) a Donetsk lady, from the Yanukovich side of things is now the top legal authority in the country! What's unusual is that now, she will be the only high profile position in Ukraine in which the corresponding position in Russia is not also filled by a woman ( such as head of central bank, Education Minister, Health Minister etc)
    So to go with all the tonnes of science, mathematics, engineering, artists, writers, composers, singers, chess players,sports-stars,businessmen and so on from Donbass or the whole Novorossiya area that dwarf those from Galicia and /or the whole west Ukrainian area......can be added top legal position as well as President of course
  99. @Kent Nationalist
    Some people are wrong. I don't understand your point.

    By what standards? This is pretty much the worst problem with ethics. Ethics is highly psychology-dependent so different people do literally inherently differ on what they consider ethical. Moreover there are so many conflicting ethical theories that you can justify anything and everything using the right one. Hell we can even defend and bash the same behavior on both soc lib and soc con grounds. Most people haven’t heard such arguments because certain lines of thought tend to be very rare in a given culture but they aren’t inherently illegitimate.

  100. @Kent Nationalist
    Some people are wrong. I don't understand your point.

    For example unless one believes in one of the Abrahamic or Indian religions it is very easy to justify infanticide on very soc con grounds. How?

    1. Child sacrifice may be a key ritual in a local religion. If you believe in the religion then of course you should support infanticide. If you don’t religion still has crucial social aspects and hence for the sake of social unity you should still support infanticide. “Don’t be a New Atheist who ignores social technologies”, said Jordan Peterson / Jonathan Haidt / etc. “Don’t tear down what you don’t understand!”, said G.K. Chesterson..

    2. The authority of parents over their children must be total which must include the right to kill their children for any reason or no reason at all. This is literally what ancient Rome and ancient China did.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    You just reductio'd your own relativism by showing that it leads to the absurd consequence that child sacrifice and infanticide are right
    , @reiner Tor
    Conservatism is the idea that we should think twice before changing that which we don’t understand. So yes, keep child sacrifice if you know nothing better, but once you can see several successful examples of peoples doing away with it, you should abolish it, too: after all, it’s time tested that society can abolish it and still keep prospering. In fact, sacrificing one’s own children was only practiced in a few societies (mostly Phoenicians), each of which got outcompeted by its neighbors. The same is true of the extreme patriarchy in the Roman world. It was outcompeted by other societies, including Christians within the empire. So while extreme patriarchy might have been good enough while one knew nothing better, it’s no longer tenable.
  101. @German_reader

    There are a couple of almost dead volunteer veterans in the Baltic states
     
    Were they actually even all volunteers? iirc many of those in the Latvian Waffen-SS divisions were conscripted.

    Most were conscripted but its generally the volunteers who make noise about themselves, run the veteran organizations and parades and so on.

    Though Russia does make noise about the non-volunteers, too. For example, in Estonia people who fought on the German side now get war veteran benefits on top of their pension and Russia has been complaining about that.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Russian behavior is very bad here. They don’t care for Central Asians oppressing the Russian settler minorities, but they keep being butthurt about the much milder things the Baltic peoples do. Probably they have the same double standard which SJWs have, only expecting good behavior from whites but not from “peoples of color.”
    , @LondonBob
    A friend of my brother works with a crematoria processing company that covers the low countries and Germany. False limbs, gold limbs are recovered but what they particularly have that isn't reclaimed by relatives are enormous number of SS pins and other Nazi memorabilia the recently deceased generation were cremated with. They have a whole storeroom packed with the stuff.
  102. So Anatolian Christians must have been the most horrible people on Earth, because unlike Jews, they weren’t even rewarded later. While secular Jews were rewarded with total cultural dominance of the West (I’d say the whole world), and religious Jews were given Israel and the Republican Party.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Accounts during the time after the Battle of Manzikert spoke of Anatolians freely converting to Islam in large numbers to enjoy lower tax rates (unlike Greeks or Armenians). God just finished the job.
    , @EastKekistani
    The universe does not operate according to morality.
  103. @Jaakko Raipala
    Most were conscripted but its generally the volunteers who make noise about themselves, run the veteran organizations and parades and so on.

    Though Russia does make noise about the non-volunteers, too. For example, in Estonia people who fought on the German side now get war veteran benefits on top of their pension and Russia has been complaining about that.

    Russian behavior is very bad here. They don’t care for Central Asians oppressing the Russian settler minorities, but they keep being butthurt about the much milder things the Baltic peoples do. Probably they have the same double standard which SJWs have, only expecting good behavior from whites but not from “peoples of color.”

  104. @EastKekistani
    Sure. What about 2 and 8? What do @Talha @Anatoly Karlin and @BengaliCanadianDude think about them?

    Moreover there are also other key social questions. Take inbreeding as an example. @Talha apologizes for it while both the West and NE Asia generally agree that this sucks. Same for child marriages. However if we talk about polytheism then all the devoted Christians, Jews and Muslims would scream that it is extremely immoral, Hindus and Buddhists would say that it rocks and that Abrahamic monotheism is intolerant, New Atheists would say that all religions are false and suck..

    The pre-modern Sinosphere attitude towards homosexuality was.. "I don't give a shit either way".

    My answer is same as Thorfinnsson’s and so would be that of most of Russians.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Wow. You guys don't have eternal in-law dramas? Great!
  105. @Thomm

    Let me be more blunt: he is a shitskin sex tourist who is exploiting the fact that even supposed right-wing whites have extremely low ethnocentrism/loyalty to other whites. And what’s most hilarious is that he LARPs as someone who wants conservative values even if his entire business model is sending sex tourists into Eastern Europe.
     
    False. Roosh is white. There was a big debate on CH for a long time about whether Roosh is white. Heartiste looked at the arguments from both sides, weighted the points, and ruled that Roosh is white.

    Remember that Roosh went to South America before he ever went to EE.

    You are just jealous that he did what should have been even easier for you, but you could not do it.

    It’s not about being jealous. Maybe it’s impposible to imagine for you, but some of us are monogamous conservative men (happily married and with children) – after all, it’s well known that men divide into two kinds (i.e. some are genetically predisposed to monogamy, and some are not). It’s rather being irritated, like when you are sitting next to a fountain, enjoying the site, and then some drunken foreign tourist comes and pisses into the fountain, boasting that he is so rich he can pay any fine without a trouble. If you are complaining, it’s not because “you are just jealous that he is rich and can piss into as many fountains as he wants, while you are poor”. It’s complaining because this drunken tourist is disgusting disgrace to human race.

  106. @reiner Tor
    Take it with a grain of salt.

    https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1129518032609370112?s=20

    Male reproduction being neutral to slightly eugenic is common, JayMan found same thing for USA. It’s female reproduction that’s highly dysgenic.

    That said, Sweden is one of the countries where rate of reproductive dysgenic decline has been estimated to be one of the lower ones in the industrialized world.

  107. @AP

    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe
     
    HIV rate in Ukraine ( a proxy for STDs in general) varies by region:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Registered_HIV_prevalence_in_Ukraine.jpg/1280px-Registered_HIV_prevalence_in_Ukraine.jpg

    Also, rate in Poland, Slovakia is very low:

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Nearly-two-thirds-of-European-HIV-cases-are-now-in-Russia/page/3109895/

    Russians are more vulnerable than Ukrainians under the same conditions because they have less traditionalist lifestyles. On the one hand, this confirms that. OTOH, it shows that Ukraine is failing in its duty of care to those people (relative to Russia).

  108. @reiner Tor
    So Anatolian Christians must have been the most horrible people on Earth, because unlike Jews, they weren’t even rewarded later. While secular Jews were rewarded with total cultural dominance of the West (I’d say the whole world), and religious Jews were given Israel and the Republican Party.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896

    Accounts during the time after the Battle of Manzikert spoke of Anatolians freely converting to Islam in large numbers to enjoy lower tax rates (unlike Greeks or Armenians). God just finished the job.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    So he killed off the faithful to give the whole area to the converts? (Turks are mostly descendants of such converts.)

    God must be a Muslim.
  109. @Anatoly Karlin
    Accounts during the time after the Battle of Manzikert spoke of Anatolians freely converting to Islam in large numbers to enjoy lower tax rates (unlike Greeks or Armenians). God just finished the job.

    So he killed off the faithful to give the whole area to the converts? (Turks are mostly descendants of such converts.)

    God must be a Muslim.

  110. @EastKekistani
    For example unless one believes in one of the Abrahamic or Indian religions it is very easy to justify infanticide on very soc con grounds. How?

    1. Child sacrifice may be a key ritual in a local religion. If you believe in the religion then of course you should support infanticide. If you don't religion still has crucial social aspects and hence for the sake of social unity you should still support infanticide. "Don't be a New Atheist who ignores social technologies", said Jordan Peterson / Jonathan Haidt / etc. "Don't tear down what you don't understand!", said G.K. Chesterson..

    2. The authority of parents over their children must be total which must include the right to kill their children for any reason or no reason at all. This is literally what ancient Rome and ancient China did.

    You just reductio’d your own relativism by showing that it leads to the absurd consequence that child sacrifice and infanticide are right

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Nope. You simply got really offended by these ideas and consider them jokes or absurdities because they are way outside your Overton Window while I'm aware that they are not jokes or something made up.
  111. @AP

    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe
     
    HIV rate in Ukraine ( a proxy for STDs in general) varies by region:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Registered_HIV_prevalence_in_Ukraine.jpg/1280px-Registered_HIV_prevalence_in_Ukraine.jpg

    Also, rate in Poland, Slovakia is very low:

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Nearly-two-thirds-of-European-HIV-cases-are-now-in-Russia/page/3109895/

    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.

    World capitals of HIV outside Africa – include Ekaterinburg, Perm. (On the other hand, cities like Amsterdam has many times lower rates of HIV compared to ordinary Russian cities.)

    HIV epidemic in this region combination of poor public health service response, bad government policy to drug users and not study causes of epidemic, and heroin flooding up from Afghanistan and along the Silk Road.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    AIDs is really a disease of homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Almost impossible for heterosexuals to contract, as evidenced by prostitutes.
    , @AP

    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.
     
    You were wrong.

    Appropriate healthcare and prevention can and does mitigate this (thus low rates in Amsterdam) but in the case of, for example, Ukraine, where healthcare is relatively constant the difference can largely be explained by promiscuity.
  112. @Jaakko Raipala
    Most were conscripted but its generally the volunteers who make noise about themselves, run the veteran organizations and parades and so on.

    Though Russia does make noise about the non-volunteers, too. For example, in Estonia people who fought on the German side now get war veteran benefits on top of their pension and Russia has been complaining about that.

    A friend of my brother works with a crematoria processing company that covers the low countries and Germany. False limbs, gold limbs are recovered but what they particularly have that isn’t reclaimed by relatives are enormous number of SS pins and other Nazi memorabilia the recently deceased generation were cremated with. They have a whole storeroom packed with the stuff.

  113. @Dmitry
    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.

    World capitals of HIV outside Africa - include Ekaterinburg, Perm. (On the other hand, cities like Amsterdam has many times lower rates of HIV compared to ordinary Russian cities.)

    HIV epidemic in this region combination of poor public health service response, bad government policy to drug users and not study causes of epidemic, and heroin flooding up from Afghanistan and along the Silk Road.

    AIDs is really a disease of homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Almost impossible for heterosexuals to contract, as evidenced by prostitutes.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Countries like Netherlands, Sweden, Australia and Ireland, have the lowest HIV rates in the world - so it doesn't correlate well even to their attitude to homosexuality.

    While in Russia, HIV spread happens commonly when even ordinary heterosexuals got HIV from their longterm husband/wife.

    HIV rates are low in the West compared to Russia/Ukraine, not because Westerners are more moral than in Russia/Ukraine, but because there is more state capacity and healthcare investment in the West.

    For cities like Perm and Ekaterinburg where HIV is at the highest levels - the heroin floods into the cities from Central Asia. But the epidemic effect is combination of poor needle use habits of the drug-user population, lack of detection, etc.

    , @AP
    So all those Africans are gays and/or junkies?
    , @dfordoom

    AIDs is really a disease of homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Almost impossible for heterosexuals to contract, as evidenced by prostitutes.
     
    It's more accurate to say that it's a disease of sodomy and intravenous drug use. In a degenerate society in which even heterosexuals practise sodomy you'll have an AIDS problem.
  114. @Thorfinnsson
    White is a "socially constructed" group which encompasses people of Christian, European descent. Prior to the Age of Discovery, the term "Christian" would've meant the same thing.

    Genetically and phenotypically however, Mediterranean Europeans often have more in common with other peoples of the Mediterranean basin and Western Asia than they do with Northern Europeans. Bashar Assad for instance looks more similar to Matteo Salvini than I do.

    When non-European Caucasoids, especially when Christian, relocate to Western countries (especially the USA, where identity is highly racialized) there emerges a dispute about whether or not they're "really" white.

    This came up because of Roosh, a (former?) pickup artist from America who lives in Eastern Europe. People find non-whites screwing our whores to be more objectionable than when we ourselves do it, so I often see people on this part of the internet attacking his alleged non-white background.

    “White” is not socially constructed – melanin content of skin is a physical reality.

    Being of European origin is not “socially constructed”, except to the extent all lines on a map to divide continents are “socially constructed”.

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

     

    I'm not saying all of Europe is a natural "bloc".

    Mediterranean was at some points historically much more "natural unit", than Europe (combination of North and South Europe).

    But to group the "most important to Europe European nationalities" (Italians), to nationalities in Asia, does not seem a very sensible categorization.

    , @Thorfinnsson
    In antiquity Northern Europeans and Mediterranean Europeans were separated by mountain ranges and dense forests. Trade links existed but were relatively minor because Northern Europe was still savage and thus had less to barter.

    Meanwhile Mediterranean Europeans were closely linked economically, politically, culturally, and genetically with non-Europeans in North Africa and the Levant.

    Even today Mediterranean Europeans often look much more like people from North Africa than they do people from Northern Europe, and this is despite the fact that the North African gene pool has substantially deteriorated in the past ~1300 years owing to the undesirable introgression of negroid genes.

    What unified Northern and Southern Europeans was that Islam overran Anatolia, Levant, and North Africa while all of Europe was Christianized. Then Europeans went out into the world and saw that they were not just religiously different from others, but also biologically different. So "Christian" became "white".

    But it bears remembering that realistically speaking a Sicilian and a Tunisian historically had much more in common than a Sicilian did with a Swede. Thus at the margins there is some question of who is white.

    Iranians, biologically speaking, are not actually a different race. They too are caucasoids. But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white.

    , @melanf

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.
     
    The Iranians and Armenians is the exact same Europeene race. Of course you can select the "small race", but then Europe is inhabited by several races. The category of "brown" does not coincide with racial division (and the Iranians and the Armenians in the largely white and not brown).
  115. @EastKekistani
    For example unless one believes in one of the Abrahamic or Indian religions it is very easy to justify infanticide on very soc con grounds. How?

    1. Child sacrifice may be a key ritual in a local religion. If you believe in the religion then of course you should support infanticide. If you don't religion still has crucial social aspects and hence for the sake of social unity you should still support infanticide. "Don't be a New Atheist who ignores social technologies", said Jordan Peterson / Jonathan Haidt / etc. "Don't tear down what you don't understand!", said G.K. Chesterson..

    2. The authority of parents over their children must be total which must include the right to kill their children for any reason or no reason at all. This is literally what ancient Rome and ancient China did.

    Conservatism is the idea that we should think twice before changing that which we don’t understand. So yes, keep child sacrifice if you know nothing better, but once you can see several successful examples of peoples doing away with it, you should abolish it, too: after all, it’s time tested that society can abolish it and still keep prospering. In fact, sacrificing one’s own children was only practiced in a few societies (mostly Phoenicians), each of which got outcompeted by its neighbors. The same is true of the extreme patriarchy in the Roman world. It was outcompeted by other societies, including Christians within the empire. So while extreme patriarchy might have been good enough while one knew nothing better, it’s no longer tenable.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Huh?

    Patriarchy deteriorated already in Republican Rome.

    Divorce was permitted in Rome's organic laws, and supposedly started actually taking place around the time of the Second Punic War.

    By the time of Marius the birth rate was declining and he had to exhort his troops to put up with Rome's insufferable women for the good of their country.

    Come the Principate the situation had deteriorated badly enough that the government trying taxing bachelors.

    Christianity if anything strengthened the patriarchal foundations of society, other than that obviously Christians didn't give the father the right to kill his own children.
  116. @German_reader

    The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

     

    A lot of Austrian right-wingers believe that as well, certainly makes you think that he belongs to a network like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders

    I worked with a Lithuanian fellow who was in some young leaders thing, Young European Leaders, he also went to the Lithuanian Military Academy as well as being a reservist. When the uprising in the Donbass started he left his job in London and went to help the new Ukrainian government, adviser to the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine etc. Not the brightest lad, couldn’t even pass CFA level one, but has been doing various stuff in the Ukrainian government and transnational institutions, such as something called the global shapers community. I bet his and my Russian nationalist boss wasn’t happy

  117. @German_reader
    https://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/5630280/Woher-kommt-das-StracheVideo

    Allegedly members of Austrian security services have said they believe the Strache video was made by some Western intelligence agency, with deliberate intention to release it shortly before the EU elections and weaken FPÖ by that.
    US security services have allegedly expressed grave concern about connections between the FPÖ and Russia.

    The German media who published the video refuse to disclosure the original video and who gave them without payment in an abandoned hotel the USB flash drives which contained the original videos.

    Leila Al-Serori von der „SZ“ erklärte im ORF-Fernsehen, dass man das Video bereits vor Monaten angeboten bekommen habe. Das Material sei dann vor einigen Wochen in einem verlassenen Hotel auf USB-Sticks übergeben worden. Die österreichische Zeitung „Falter“ spricht davon, dass sie von der Existenz des Videos „seit dem vergangenen Jahr“ wisse. Die beteiligten Zeitungen hätten kein Geld dafür bezahlt. Zur Motivation des Informanten sei nichts Aussagekräftiges bekannt, sagt Martin Knobbe vom „Spiegel“ der WELT. Das liege daran, dass auch die Informanten Informanten haben, denen sie Verschwiegenheit zugesichert hätten. Deshalb habe sich das Magazin entschieden, dies so darzustellen.

    Die „SZ“ betonte allerdings schon, dass sie die Originalaufnahmen nicht zur Verfügung stellen werde. Aus Gründen des Quellenschutzes mache man keine Angaben über die Herkunft.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20190519104429/https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article193725535/FPOE-Vize-Strache-Was-Boehmermann-mit-dem-Video-zu-tun-hat.html

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    This is several times more serious than what Russia was ever accused of as “meddling.”
  118. @LondonBob
    AIDs is really a disease of homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Almost impossible for heterosexuals to contract, as evidenced by prostitutes.

    Countries like Netherlands, Sweden, Australia and Ireland, have the lowest HIV rates in the world – so it doesn’t correlate well even to their attitude to homosexuality.

    While in Russia, HIV spread happens commonly when even ordinary heterosexuals got HIV from their longterm husband/wife.

    HIV rates are low in the West compared to Russia/Ukraine, not because Westerners are more moral than in Russia/Ukraine, but because there is more state capacity and healthcare investment in the West.

    For cities like Perm and Ekaterinburg where HIV is at the highest levels – the heroin floods into the cities from Central Asia. But the epidemic effect is combination of poor needle use habits of the drug-user population, lack of detection, etc.

  119. @Swarthy Greek
    In southern Europe, including Sicily, you can easily find people that will look like northern europeans (pale, blue eyes, blond). I don't see why you conflate Iranians with Afghans and Sub continentals. Iranians are the fairest people in the middle east (if we exclude the levant turkey and the south caucasus) . Afghans will tend to look darker than Iranians. Pakis and Indians will in turn be darkerdue to their dravidian DNA (This also applies to Brahmins too)

    I’m not an expert on the topic, but in the large part – see the parades – they seem similar Northern Indians and Afghanistani, as would be expected from geographical location.

    And of course, Armenians are from a partly related race – which is a bit less expected from the geography, but can be seen apparently in language.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
    No they don't. You obviously don't know a lot of armenians/iranians or indians to say that they look similar.Even between Western and Southern Armenians there are a lot of differences, let alone between Armenians and Iranians. Genetically these people differ significantly. Even indian brahmins have a huge Dravidian amount of DNA that Iranians/Armenians lack. It would be like saying that Ashkenazim and Sephardim look the same. It plain doesn't make sense.
  120. @Dmitry
    I'm not an expert on the topic, but in the large part - see the parades - they seem similar Northern Indians and Afghanistani, as would be expected from geographical location.

    And of course, Armenians are from a partly related race - which is a bit less expected from the geography, but can be seen apparently in language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBXx5bvR4k

    No they don’t. You obviously don’t know a lot of armenians/iranians or indians to say that they look similar.Even between Western and Southern Armenians there are a lot of differences, let alone between Armenians and Iranians. Genetically these people differ significantly. Even indian brahmins have a huge Dravidian amount of DNA that Iranians/Armenians lack. It would be like saying that Ashkenazim and Sephardim look the same. It plain doesn’t make sense.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Did you see the video of the parade? In that example, Iran's army mainly look more similar to North Indians or Afghan, at least in this particular parade. The faces seem closer to Indian/Afghan than to Arab - at least that was my superficial impression from watching a few minutes.

    The particular parade might not be representative of the general population of course, as armies can be from particular regions, or recruiting more from some demographics than others (I remember that Iran is very multi-ethnic).

    So perhaps that is an unrepresentative example and video is not fully clear.


    Western and Southern Armenians there are a lot of differences, let alone between Armenians and Iranians
     
    Of course, Armenians are not the same race. But there's no controversy they are related race, which is evident in the languages.
  121. @Dmitry
    "White" is not socially constructed - melanin content of skin is a physical reality.

    Being of European origin is not "socially constructed", except to the extent all lines on a map to divide continents are "socially constructed".

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    I’m not saying all of Europe is a natural “bloc”.

    Mediterranean was at some points historically much more “natural unit”, than Europe (combination of North and South Europe).

    But to group the “most important to Europe European nationalities” (Italians), to nationalities in Asia, does not seem a very sensible categorization.

  122. @Swarthy Greek
    No they don't. You obviously don't know a lot of armenians/iranians or indians to say that they look similar.Even between Western and Southern Armenians there are a lot of differences, let alone between Armenians and Iranians. Genetically these people differ significantly. Even indian brahmins have a huge Dravidian amount of DNA that Iranians/Armenians lack. It would be like saying that Ashkenazim and Sephardim look the same. It plain doesn't make sense.

    Did you see the video of the parade? In that example, Iran’s army mainly look more similar to North Indians or Afghan, at least in this particular parade. The faces seem closer to Indian/Afghan than to Arab – at least that was my superficial impression from watching a few minutes.

    The particular parade might not be representative of the general population of course, as armies can be from particular regions, or recruiting more from some demographics than others (I remember that Iran is very multi-ethnic).

    So perhaps that is an unrepresentative example and video is not fully clear.

    Western and Southern Armenians there are a lot of differences, let alone between Armenians and Iranians

    Of course, Armenians are not the same race. But there’s no controversy they are related race, which is evident in the languages.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Like all these guys from 4:25 onwards to 7:00 in the Iran parade - the style of marching even seem more similar to Indian culture, than Arab culture.
  123. @Dmitry
    Did you see the video of the parade? In that example, Iran's army mainly look more similar to North Indians or Afghan, at least in this particular parade. The faces seem closer to Indian/Afghan than to Arab - at least that was my superficial impression from watching a few minutes.

    The particular parade might not be representative of the general population of course, as armies can be from particular regions, or recruiting more from some demographics than others (I remember that Iran is very multi-ethnic).

    So perhaps that is an unrepresentative example and video is not fully clear.


    Western and Southern Armenians there are a lot of differences, let alone between Armenians and Iranians
     
    Of course, Armenians are not the same race. But there's no controversy they are related race, which is evident in the languages.

    Like all these guys from 4:25 onwards to 7:00 in the Iran parade – the style of marching even seem more similar to Indian culture, than Arab culture.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
    3 points to rebuke that comment specifically

    1)marching styles are not related to race

    2)Military parades with tight knit marching and orchestras are European imports that date back to the 19th and early 20th century. Indian military tradition (insignia, marching style, doctrine...) is based on British military tradition and historical indian army units descend from the British Indian army (The Raj's colonial force). The similarities that you may see between the Iranian and Indian armies are due to the fact that the Iranian army was largely trained by british advisors when it was formed. Still there are pretty obvious differences: Iranians goose step (Reza Shah brought german advisors in the 30s) while Indians don't.

    3)There is no such thing as "Arab marching style". First of all arab armies do not know how to march properly. Secondly, as i said military parades are a european import, and as such arab marching styles are a mish mash of British, French and Soviet influences.

    If you want to meet Iranians, try to meet Persian Jews who came to Israel after the fall of the Pahlavi regime. They are racially similar to native iranians because they mingled with the local population and their community predates the expulsion of jews from Israel.

    The indian brahmins typically shave a fatter , round face type ( due to dravidian DNA) while Iranians have more Caucasian facial features
  124. The most evil people ever:

    #1 Hitler
    #2 Stalin
    #3 Ramsay Bolton

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
    People in Brooklyn say its 1) Hitler, 2) Stalin, and 3) Walter O'Malley as the world's most evil people.
    , @German_reader
    Isn't this Ramsay Bolton character supposed to be some sexual sadist (iirc Razib Khan - whose literary tates seem to be limited to fantasy novels - once wrote that he's even worse in the books than in the show)?
    So isn't he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin who never raped anybody and also thought they were creating a better world (social justice and freedom for the oppressed classes in Stalin's case, preventing racial degeneration and keeping alive the possibility of high civilization in Hitler's case)?
  125. @Mitleser
    The German media who published the video refuse to disclosure the original video and who gave them without payment in an abandoned hotel the USB flash drives which contained the original videos.

    Leila Al-Serori von der „SZ“ erklärte im ORF-Fernsehen, dass man das Video bereits vor Monaten angeboten bekommen habe. Das Material sei dann vor einigen Wochen in einem verlassenen Hotel auf USB-Sticks übergeben worden. Die österreichische Zeitung „Falter“ spricht davon, dass sie von der Existenz des Videos „seit dem vergangenen Jahr“ wisse. Die beteiligten Zeitungen hätten kein Geld dafür bezahlt. Zur Motivation des Informanten sei nichts Aussagekräftiges bekannt, sagt Martin Knobbe vom „Spiegel“ der WELT. Das liege daran, dass auch die Informanten Informanten haben, denen sie Verschwiegenheit zugesichert hätten. Deshalb habe sich das Magazin entschieden, dies so darzustellen.
     

    Die „SZ“ betonte allerdings schon, dass sie die Originalaufnahmen nicht zur Verfügung stellen werde. Aus Gründen des Quellenschutzes mache man keine Angaben über die Herkunft.
     
    http://web.archive.org/web/20190519104429/https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article193725535/FPOE-Vize-Strache-Was-Boehmermann-mit-dem-Video-zu-tun-hat.html

    This is several times more serious than what Russia was ever accused of as “meddling.”

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    It is certainly far more problematic for Hungary than the "Russian meddling" accusations.

    https://twitter.com/turbovlach/status/1129698597396799489

  126. @Adam
    Eastern Europe isn't only Russia and Ukraine. Poland and other pockets of Eastern Europe are significantly healthier. STD rates are hardly a perfect measure of sexual mortality either.

    Even Russia is increasingly converging with the west in sexual morals, not that that's a great achievement. It's also outdated nonsense to say that Russians are whored out, Moldovans and some Ukrainians are though.


    come from people with malice towards Western Europe and especially the Anglosphere
     
    Considering western Europe and especially the Anglosphere was the source of the sexual revolution, the resentment is well deserved. Slavic dysfunction can be justified somewhat by the imposal of very poor, and unwanted, rule through Bolshevism and the subsequent societal collapse in the 90's. The Western elites didn't have to kill millions of people to impose their morality, it was willingly and enthusiastically adopted by the masses. The rot is much deeper there.

    The spreading of poz is not only a goal of the all pervasive American media and entertainment industry, but is an explicit policy goal of the state department. Russia isn't perfect, but at least it's not a dildocracy ruining the rest of the world.

    Poland has a low divorce rate and heavily restricts abortion, but it too is not “traditional”. Plenty of available Polish women in clubs in downtown Warsaw and Krakow, and of course lots of Polish women work abroad.

    Since this started with Roosh, it should be pointed out that he has lived Poland on and off for many years now.

    Eastern Europe is not innocent in the sexual revolution area either in light of what early communist regimes were like in the USSR and Hungary.

    • Replies: @szopen
    Sure. Standards are deteriorating, so let's complain about them AND, at the same time, let's participate in the corruption.

    F*, I don't even udnerstand what you are aiming at. Are you enthusiastic about worsening morality, or not? If not, how can you defend someone who is part of the force which creates a culture promoting degeneracy?!

  127. @LatW
    Just because some EE women are occassionally promiscuous doesn't mean foreign men of any race or nationality should have ever been given any kind of access to them. In hindsight, that was a huge mistake and in fact a catastrophe - here one must agree with Putin. Thankfully this problem is being mitigated as EE men are visibly improving their health and status.

    That a disgusting maggot such as Roosh is still walking around freely is a huge insult to EE men and their whole societies. Granted, he is clandestine and most guys probably just view him as a random churka just passing through. Another reason to undo the visa waiver.

    EE women are emancipated in a different way, like Epigon said. Anglo Germanic women are required by their culture to develop a manly soul. EE women can have long dry spells, too. They should be tucked away.

    In any event they don't owe it to any foreign men to be any certain way.

    Thot patrol starts at home. If your women are sleeping with numerous local men, there is no reason not to expect them to sleep with foreign men either.

    “Seek sexual pleasure but NOT with men who have foreign passports!!!”

    Not very viable.

  128. @German_reader
    Maybe the BND did it, I wouldn't put it beyond Merkel's government to order something like that, to destroy the FPÖ, which has shown what could be possible for a right-wing nationalist party in a German-speaking country.
    The FPÖ people are cretins though, I guess they've wrecked their party now and will be out of government after the next election (probably suits Kurz well). Horrible.
    Nationalist parties really should be wary about connections to Russia anyway though, there's nothing to be gained by them and much to lose.

    It could have been a cooperation of several such services.

  129. @Anatoly Karlin
    My answer is same as Thorfinnsson's and so would be that of most of Russians.

    Wow. You guys don’t have eternal in-law dramas? Great!

  130. @Kent Nationalist
    You just reductio'd your own relativism by showing that it leads to the absurd consequence that child sacrifice and infanticide are right

    Nope. You simply got really offended by these ideas and consider them jokes or absurdities because they are way outside your Overton Window while I’m aware that they are not jokes or something made up.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    You are correct, I do find the idea of murdering and/or raping children being morally right absurd and offensive.
  131. @reiner Tor
    So Anatolian Christians must have been the most horrible people on Earth, because unlike Jews, they weren’t even rewarded later. While secular Jews were rewarded with total cultural dominance of the West (I’d say the whole world), and religious Jews were given Israel and the Republican Party.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-turkey-destroyed-its-christians-11558109896

    The universe does not operate according to morality.

  132. @EastKekistani
    I largely agree with you however almost everyone in China doesn't. That means despite being a far-rightist racially by Sinosphere standards I'm socially extremely liberal (and hence very un-PC under Sinosphere norms).

    Now I will explain some of the extremely controversial points.

    1 is essentially Young Earth Creationism in China. It has been tied to Chinese nationalism which makes criticism of TCM fairly un-PC.

    2 and 8 are VERY HUGE ISSUES in every single Confucianism-influenced society. You may not realize the fact that all but the more radical trads in the West such as @216 agree with us on them. You are very lucky to have been born to parents within the Hajnal Line.

    The rest are mostly contemporary political issues instead of cultural ones even though they are also heated.

    One is mostly harmless aside from the damage that it occasionally does to various endangered species. And since animals only exist to serve people anyway, this is really just conflict between my Western value (cool animals) vs. the Chinese value (tiger dick powder or whatever). And one can even be beneficial in that it might prevent people from seeking unnecessary medical treatment (all medical interventions carry risk).

    Two and eight are, obviously, for Chinese to decided. I know they’re big deals for Chinese culture.

    Two I suppose is an interesting discussion which can go many ways, but for #8 I find the concept of adults of means living with their parents to be ridiculous and demeaning. Of course perhaps once you have children then having the grandparents at home to provide childcare is a wise idea.

    #4 is a serious problem. Chinese urban planning and registration remains bizarrely influenced by the ideas of Friedrich Engels, which limits its rate of urbanization and the growth of its best cities. See here: https://andrewbatson.com/2017/05/11/friedrich-engels-is-still-shaping-chinese-cities-120-years-after-his-death/

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Well, 1 can actually be harmful because it hampers abstract reasoning of the people and because TCM treatments can occasionally be dangerous.

    2 and 8 are very serious issues. The main reason why they exist at all is due to Confucianism.

    2 in particular is a thorny topic because modern China largely abolished gender inequality as a consequence of commies being originally leftist in origins. So morally people are supposed to say that husbands and wives are equal. At the same time the Confucian doctrine that people must obey their parents remained. So a man is now caught between his parents (especially mother) and wife, both more powerful than them. The wifey obviously does not want the dude to always support his mother in eternal in-law catfights which in old China consistently happened..moreover she works and posts her views on the internet.

    8 isn't really that serious any more because young men move around all the time.
  133. @EastKekistani
    Sure. What about 2 and 8? What do @Talha @Anatoly Karlin and @BengaliCanadianDude think about them?

    Moreover there are also other key social questions. Take inbreeding as an example. @Talha apologizes for it while both the West and NE Asia generally agree that this sucks. Same for child marriages. However if we talk about polytheism then all the devoted Christians, Jews and Muslims would scream that it is extremely immoral, Hindus and Buddhists would say that it rocks and that Abrahamic monotheism is intolerant, New Atheists would say that all religions are false and suck..

    The pre-modern Sinosphere attitude towards homosexuality was.. "I don't give a shit either way".

    I don’t see the problem with child marriage frankly. My understanding of child marriage is that it is generally arranged and the marriage isn’t consummated until both parties are of age.

    As for homo-sexuality, many Western moderates and conservatives had the attitude of not giving a shit either. The trouble with maintaining that attitude is that you might not care about homo-sexuality, but Homintern cares a great deal about you.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    As for homo-sexuality, many Western moderates and conservatives had the attitude of not giving a shit either. The trouble with maintaining that attitude is that you might not care about homo-sexuality, but Homintern cares a great deal about you.
     
    Yep.
  134. @Dmitry
    "White" is not socially constructed - melanin content of skin is a physical reality.

    Being of European origin is not "socially constructed", except to the extent all lines on a map to divide continents are "socially constructed".

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    In antiquity Northern Europeans and Mediterranean Europeans were separated by mountain ranges and dense forests. Trade links existed but were relatively minor because Northern Europe was still savage and thus had less to barter.

    Meanwhile Mediterranean Europeans were closely linked economically, politically, culturally, and genetically with non-Europeans in North Africa and the Levant.

    Even today Mediterranean Europeans often look much more like people from North Africa than they do people from Northern Europe, and this is despite the fact that the North African gene pool has substantially deteriorated in the past ~1300 years owing to the undesirable introgression of negroid genes.

    What unified Northern and Southern Europeans was that Islam overran Anatolia, Levant, and North Africa while all of Europe was Christianized. Then Europeans went out into the world and saw that they were not just religiously different from others, but also biologically different. So “Christian” became “white”.

    But it bears remembering that realistically speaking a Sicilian and a Tunisian historically had much more in common than a Sicilian did with a Swede. Thus at the margins there is some question of who is white.

    Iranians, biologically speaking, are not actually a different race. They too are caucasoids. But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping relations. Races in Europe are generally more closely related to each other, than to races outside Europe, even quite close neighbours (like North Africa and Levant).

    Italians are closer in their genetic history, to other European races, even if some appear brown (Palermo is below 40 degrees latitude) and some - like some Spanish and Portugal people - have partial Arab ancestry .

    There is not much sense to group them with comparatively more distant races on the border with Pakistan – except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.


    But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white
     
    Being white is a result of biology - there is nothing social or political involved.

    Iranians mostly originate below 40 degrees latitude, so they selected for predominantly dark colours (from melanin content) in their skin and hair.

    Army may not be representative sample (as it might be from different ethnic groups within the country) - but you can see from 4:00 (colouration is often matching even more close 30 degree latitude parts of the country, than 40 degree latitude).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBXx5bvR4k

  135. @reiner Tor
    Conservatism is the idea that we should think twice before changing that which we don’t understand. So yes, keep child sacrifice if you know nothing better, but once you can see several successful examples of peoples doing away with it, you should abolish it, too: after all, it’s time tested that society can abolish it and still keep prospering. In fact, sacrificing one’s own children was only practiced in a few societies (mostly Phoenicians), each of which got outcompeted by its neighbors. The same is true of the extreme patriarchy in the Roman world. It was outcompeted by other societies, including Christians within the empire. So while extreme patriarchy might have been good enough while one knew nothing better, it’s no longer tenable.

    Huh?

    Patriarchy deteriorated already in Republican Rome.

    Divorce was permitted in Rome’s organic laws, and supposedly started actually taking place around the time of the Second Punic War.

    By the time of Marius the birth rate was declining and he had to exhort his troops to put up with Rome’s insufferable women for the good of their country.

    Come the Principate the situation had deteriorated badly enough that the government trying taxing bachelors.

    Christianity if anything strengthened the patriarchal foundations of society, other than that obviously Christians didn’t give the father the right to kill his own children.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I think we need to unpack "patriarchy". Power of a husband over his wife is patriarchy and it is usually how it is used in the West by all but NRx. Power of parents over their children, even adult children, is sometimes also considered "patriarchy". Early Rome had a lot of both. Modern Western conservatives have the former but not the latter. Modern China have the latter but not the former.
    , @reiner Tor

    other than that obviously Christians didn’t give the father the right to kill his own children
     
    Which is pretty extreme, if you stop to think about it. And I basically meant that. Otherwise, I'm not sure Christianity affected husbands' power over their wives one way or another. There was no possibility of divorce, but it cut both ways.

    I'm aware that the extreme Roman patriarchy degenerated into female sluttiness and similar issues by the time of the late Republic.
  136. @EastKekistani
    Nope. You simply got really offended by these ideas and consider them jokes or absurdities because they are way outside your Overton Window while I'm aware that they are not jokes or something made up.

    You are correct, I do find the idea of murdering and/or raping children being morally right absurd and offensive.

  137. @Thorfinnsson
    One is mostly harmless aside from the damage that it occasionally does to various endangered species. And since animals only exist to serve people anyway, this is really just conflict between my Western value (cool animals) vs. the Chinese value (tiger dick powder or whatever). And one can even be beneficial in that it might prevent people from seeking unnecessary medical treatment (all medical interventions carry risk).

    Two and eight are, obviously, for Chinese to decided. I know they're big deals for Chinese culture.

    Two I suppose is an interesting discussion which can go many ways, but for #8 I find the concept of adults of means living with their parents to be ridiculous and demeaning. Of course perhaps once you have children then having the grandparents at home to provide childcare is a wise idea.

    #4 is a serious problem. Chinese urban planning and registration remains bizarrely influenced by the ideas of Friedrich Engels, which limits its rate of urbanization and the growth of its best cities. See here: https://andrewbatson.com/2017/05/11/friedrich-engels-is-still-shaping-chinese-cities-120-years-after-his-death/

    Well, 1 can actually be harmful because it hampers abstract reasoning of the people and because TCM treatments can occasionally be dangerous.

    2 and 8 are very serious issues. The main reason why they exist at all is due to Confucianism.

    2 in particular is a thorny topic because modern China largely abolished gender inequality as a consequence of commies being originally leftist in origins. So morally people are supposed to say that husbands and wives are equal. At the same time the Confucian doctrine that people must obey their parents remained. So a man is now caught between his parents (especially mother) and wife, both more powerful than them. The wifey obviously does not want the dude to always support his mother in eternal in-law catfights which in old China consistently happened..moreover she works and posts her views on the internet.

    8 isn’t really that serious any more because young men move around all the time.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Chinese should take heart--Barack Obama's mother-in-law lived in the White House for his entire Presidency.

    Leader of the most powerful country in the world yet he did not even control his own household.
  138. @EastKekistani
    Well, 1 can actually be harmful because it hampers abstract reasoning of the people and because TCM treatments can occasionally be dangerous.

    2 and 8 are very serious issues. The main reason why they exist at all is due to Confucianism.

    2 in particular is a thorny topic because modern China largely abolished gender inequality as a consequence of commies being originally leftist in origins. So morally people are supposed to say that husbands and wives are equal. At the same time the Confucian doctrine that people must obey their parents remained. So a man is now caught between his parents (especially mother) and wife, both more powerful than them. The wifey obviously does not want the dude to always support his mother in eternal in-law catfights which in old China consistently happened..moreover she works and posts her views on the internet.

    8 isn't really that serious any more because young men move around all the time.

    Chinese should take heart–Barack Obama’s mother-in-law lived in the White House for his entire Presidency.

    Leader of the most powerful country in the world yet he did not even control his own household.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    LOL. I don't care about blacks. Most people here see me as a dramatic radical anti-black activist. However I'm not radical. I just point out that even separation alone can not solve black-induced issues.
  139. • Replies: @songbird
    IMO, mostly the latter, though there's more to it than just the UN. Taiwan seemed to have a somewhat similar diplomatic model, until they were outbid.

    I wonder how possible it is to influence elections in Africa. There is the old phrase used at the end of colonialism: one man, one vote, one time. The ANC has certainly been in power a long time, despite its poor performance.
  140. @Thorfinnsson
    Huh?

    Patriarchy deteriorated already in Republican Rome.

    Divorce was permitted in Rome's organic laws, and supposedly started actually taking place around the time of the Second Punic War.

    By the time of Marius the birth rate was declining and he had to exhort his troops to put up with Rome's insufferable women for the good of their country.

    Come the Principate the situation had deteriorated badly enough that the government trying taxing bachelors.

    Christianity if anything strengthened the patriarchal foundations of society, other than that obviously Christians didn't give the father the right to kill his own children.

    I think we need to unpack “patriarchy”. Power of a husband over his wife is patriarchy and it is usually how it is used in the West by all but NRx. Power of parents over their children, even adult children, is sometimes also considered “patriarchy”. Early Rome had a lot of both. Modern Western conservatives have the former but not the latter. Modern China have the latter but not the former.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    The father's right to kill his children is certainly patriarchy in a quite literal sense.
  141. @Thorfinnsson
    Chinese should take heart--Barack Obama's mother-in-law lived in the White House for his entire Presidency.

    Leader of the most powerful country in the world yet he did not even control his own household.

    LOL. I don’t care about blacks. Most people here see me as a dramatic radical anti-black activist. However I’m not radical. I just point out that even separation alone can not solve black-induced issues.

  142. @EastKekistani
    I think we need to unpack "patriarchy". Power of a husband over his wife is patriarchy and it is usually how it is used in the West by all but NRx. Power of parents over their children, even adult children, is sometimes also considered "patriarchy". Early Rome had a lot of both. Modern Western conservatives have the former but not the latter. Modern China have the latter but not the former.

    The father’s right to kill his children is certainly patriarchy in a quite literal sense.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    Right. However it is almost never how the word "patriarchy" is used in the modern West.
  143. The idea that homosexuality is bad also precedes Christianity in the West.

    And, in particular, this practice is generally held to have corrupted the ancient and natural rule in the matter of sexual indulgence common to mankind with animals at large, and the blame for these corruptions may be charged, in the first instance, on your two cities and such others as are most devoted to physical exercises. Whether these matters are to be regarded as sport, or as earnest, we must not forget that this pleasure is held to have been granted by nature to male and female when conjoined for the work of procreation; the crime of male with male, or female with female, is an outrage on nature and a capital surrender to lust of pleasure.

    http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~davpy35701/text/plato-homo.html

  144. @Thorfinnsson
    Huh?

    Patriarchy deteriorated already in Republican Rome.

    Divorce was permitted in Rome's organic laws, and supposedly started actually taking place around the time of the Second Punic War.

    By the time of Marius the birth rate was declining and he had to exhort his troops to put up with Rome's insufferable women for the good of their country.

    Come the Principate the situation had deteriorated badly enough that the government trying taxing bachelors.

    Christianity if anything strengthened the patriarchal foundations of society, other than that obviously Christians didn't give the father the right to kill his own children.

    other than that obviously Christians didn’t give the father the right to kill his own children

    Which is pretty extreme, if you stop to think about it. And I basically meant that. Otherwise, I’m not sure Christianity affected husbands’ power over their wives one way or another. There was no possibility of divorce, but it cut both ways.

    I’m aware that the extreme Roman patriarchy degenerated into female sluttiness and similar issues by the time of the late Republic.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Yes, the power of life and death of pater familias over children is quite extreme of course. I would need to know more about how it functioned in practice in order to be able to evaluate it however.

    Christianity strengthened the power of husbands over wives compared to paganism because the possibility of divorce disappeared or was severely restricted (e.g. when divorce was allowed it was at-fault only and the "guilty" party was not permitted to remarry).

    I'm not clear on how marriage impacted property in Rome, but under Christianity the property of a wife became the property of her husband. To some degree contracts could restrict how much control the husband had over the property of course.

    One interesting development of Christianity was romantic love. Since marriage was a sacrament, the power of families to make or stop marriage was eliminated.
  145. Chinese tourist spending now double America’s

    And keep in mind; less than 9% of Chinese have passports. Just wait till they really mobilize – are you ready Yellowstone?

  146. @Dmitry
    Like all these guys from 4:25 onwards to 7:00 in the Iran parade - the style of marching even seem more similar to Indian culture, than Arab culture.

    3 points to rebuke that comment specifically

    1)marching styles are not related to race

    2)Military parades with tight knit marching and orchestras are European imports that date back to the 19th and early 20th century. Indian military tradition (insignia, marching style, doctrine…) is based on British military tradition and historical indian army units descend from the British Indian army (The Raj’s colonial force). The similarities that you may see between the Iranian and Indian armies are due to the fact that the Iranian army was largely trained by british advisors when it was formed. Still there are pretty obvious differences: Iranians goose step (Reza Shah brought german advisors in the 30s) while Indians don’t.

    3)There is no such thing as “Arab marching style”. First of all arab armies do not know how to march properly. Secondly, as i said military parades are a european import, and as such arab marching styles are a mish mash of British, French and Soviet influences.

    If you want to meet Iranians, try to meet Persian Jews who came to Israel after the fall of the Pahlavi regime. They are racially similar to native iranians because they mingled with the local population and their community predates the expulsion of jews from Israel.

    The indian brahmins typically shave a fatter , round face type ( due to dravidian DNA) while Iranians have more Caucasian facial features

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Marching style is not related to race and reflects cultural influences. I'm adding a comment on my subjective impression of this exotic style of marching, which does not seem similar to Arab parades - in case anyone else is interested in this video.

    The indian brahmins typically shave a fatter , round face type ( due to dravidian DNA) while Iranians have more Caucasian facial features

     

    If you compare external appearance of Indians/Pakistanis who originate from nationalities native to the same latitude as those compared to in Iran - I assume the differences will be subtle, however.

    For example, a large proportion of Pakistan's population today are immigrants from lower latitudes in India and therefore have blacker skin.

    However, the Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan - who is Pashtun, which did not immigrate from lower latitudes in India - appears less like "typical Indian", than Ahmadinejad - previous President of Iran - , for example.

    Iran goes from below 25 degrees latitude in South to 39 degrees latitude in North. So even in recent history, there can be selection for different shades in relation to melanin within a country with this location.

    South of Iran has the same latitude range as Bangladesh. While the Northern edge of Iran is the same latitude as Napoli.



    want to meet Iranians, try to meet Persian Jews who came to Israel after the fall of the Pahlavi regime. They are racially similar to native iranians because they mingled with the local population and their community predates the expulsion of jews from Israel.
     
    Of course, if you visit Israel, you will see many distinctive races, and probably someone with a lot of travelling experience, can even guess accurately which countries they originate from their faces.

    I'm not saying Iranians and Indians are the same race. But there will be significant external overlap if you compare ones whose ancestors lived in the same latitudes, and there are genetic relations as well.

  147. @Thorfinnsson
    Poland has a low divorce rate and heavily restricts abortion, but it too is not "traditional". Plenty of available Polish women in clubs in downtown Warsaw and Krakow, and of course lots of Polish women work abroad.

    Since this started with Roosh, it should be pointed out that he has lived Poland on and off for many years now.

    Eastern Europe is not innocent in the sexual revolution area either in light of what early communist regimes were like in the USSR and Hungary.

    Sure. Standards are deteriorating, so let’s complain about them AND, at the same time, let’s participate in the corruption.

    F*, I don’t even udnerstand what you are aiming at. Are you enthusiastic about worsening morality, or not? If not, how can you defend someone who is part of the force which creates a culture promoting degeneracy?!

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    I've traveled down the same road myself as have many other men. I'm not going to defend any cultural degeneracy, but unless you grow up in a strict religious subculture then the sexual revolution is the default. In such an environment it's not strange that some men seek to study how to better bed women. Some of those men in turn will turn that into a business.

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians because they allowed their own churches to become pozzed. Dalrock, Rollo Tomassi, etc. are reintroducing knowledge that was known to St. Augustine but is not known by today's nominally Christian men.
  148. The normalisation of political violence (throwing objects at people) and failure of the media to cover it has been quite striking in Britain this month.

    It started when a Pakistani threw a milkshake over Tommy Robinson a few weeks ago (a few minutes before the incident, a non-white also walked in front of the camera saying ‘fuck white man’). Blue checks (and an official police twitter account) were either laughing or supportive. The Guardian published a sympathetic interview with the ‘person’ responsible, the Daily Mail (supposedly the most right-wing newspaper) posted an article unfavourable to Robinson and the respectable conservative press was silent.

    Several other things have been thrown at prominent UKIP candidates (for instance, notorious Sargon of Akkad) over the past few weeks since, such as fish, to similar reactions.
    When Anna Soubry, a famously anti-Brexit MP, felt ‘harassed’ because a right-wing activist came up to her and called her a traitor as she came into Parliament a few months ago, it was national news for several days. Someone who threw an egg at Corbyn went to prison for several weeks.

    This came to a head yesterday because Robinson visited Oldham (a very Pakistani area which previously had race riots) and was confronted by a group of Pakistanis throwing rocks at him and his supporters. The police did nothing to stop them and this has hardly been reported at all.
    Another event yesterday was the Burger King UK account making a joke about this (and liking many supportive tweets), which was picked up on American Nationalist twitter.

    I am interested to know if there are parallels in other European countries.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    I am interested to know if there are parallels in other European countries.
     
    In Germany there have been high levels of political violence by "antifascists" against right-wingers (and also policemen) for years...AfD politicians (and sometimes voters/minor party members) run a real risk of having their cars torched, their houses vandalized and even being physically assaulted.
    The establishment doesn't care about this, in fact the left-wing parties (LINKE, Greens, Social Democrats) maintain ties to the "antifascist" scene. They do care about the "hate" directed at establishment politicians in the net though, e.g. Germany's supreme cripple Schäuble just recently called for a law banning anonymous comments so that all social media would have to force users to give their real name and address.
  149. @reiner Tor

    other than that obviously Christians didn’t give the father the right to kill his own children
     
    Which is pretty extreme, if you stop to think about it. And I basically meant that. Otherwise, I'm not sure Christianity affected husbands' power over their wives one way or another. There was no possibility of divorce, but it cut both ways.

    I'm aware that the extreme Roman patriarchy degenerated into female sluttiness and similar issues by the time of the late Republic.

    Yes, the power of life and death of pater familias over children is quite extreme of course. I would need to know more about how it functioned in practice in order to be able to evaluate it however.

    Christianity strengthened the power of husbands over wives compared to paganism because the possibility of divorce disappeared or was severely restricted (e.g. when divorce was allowed it was at-fault only and the “guilty” party was not permitted to remarry).

    I’m not clear on how marriage impacted property in Rome, but under Christianity the property of a wife became the property of her husband. To some degree contracts could restrict how much control the husband had over the property of course.

    One interesting development of Christianity was romantic love. Since marriage was a sacrament, the power of families to make or stop marriage was eliminated.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @songbird

    One interesting development of Christianity was romantic love.
     
    While there is a grain of truth in this, I think it is also overplayed. The reality seems to be that marriages continued to largely be arranged or at least heavily influenced by family, until relatively recently. For instance, half of my great grandparents married siblings of their inlaws.

    This marriage for love thing in a wider sense is a more recent concept, somewhat influenced by urbanism and social atomization, and this might partly explain why so many have trouble getting married today.
  150. @szopen
    Sure. Standards are deteriorating, so let's complain about them AND, at the same time, let's participate in the corruption.

    F*, I don't even udnerstand what you are aiming at. Are you enthusiastic about worsening morality, or not? If not, how can you defend someone who is part of the force which creates a culture promoting degeneracy?!

    I’ve traveled down the same road myself as have many other men. I’m not going to defend any cultural degeneracy, but unless you grow up in a strict religious subculture then the sexual revolution is the default. In such an environment it’s not strange that some men seek to study how to better bed women. Some of those men in turn will turn that into a business.

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians because they allowed their own churches to become pozzed. Dalrock, Rollo Tomassi, etc. are reintroducing knowledge that was known to St. Augustine but is not known by today’s nominally Christian men.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians
     
    What kind of knowledge?
  151. @Hyperborean
    Why is Israel so interested in Africa? Raw materials? Votes in the UN?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-17/facebook-admits-israeli-social-manipulation-company-spent-800000-influence-african

    IMO, mostly the latter, though there’s more to it than just the UN. Taiwan seemed to have a somewhat similar diplomatic model, until they were outbid.

    I wonder how possible it is to influence elections in Africa. There is the old phrase used at the end of colonialism: one man, one vote, one time. The ANC has certainly been in power a long time, despite its poor performance.

  152. @Dmitry
    "White" is not socially constructed - melanin content of skin is a physical reality.

    Being of European origin is not "socially constructed", except to the extent all lines on a map to divide continents are "socially constructed".

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.

    The Iranians and Armenians is the exact same Europeene race. Of course you can select the “small race”, but then Europe is inhabited by several races. The category of “brown” does not coincide with racial division (and the Iranians and the Armenians in the largely white and not brown).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Armenians are definitely, mainly brown people (these are people from space 30 to 40 degrees latitude). The mixed case is Georgians - some Georgians are very white people. But Georgians are really a mix of the colours.

    This is just a function of latitude, so perhaps Armenians originate a little South of their current position.

    As for racial divisions - genetically, this is a scale of overlapping similarities. Races in Asia will be genetically much less related to races in Europe.

    Italians are closer to other European races, even if some appear brown. Of course, there is not much sense to group them with comparatively distant races on the border with Pakistan - except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.

    , @Kent Nationalist
    Why Iranians and Armenians when Lebanese and Turks are genetically closer to Europeans?
  153. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.

    World capitals of HIV outside Africa - include Ekaterinburg, Perm. (On the other hand, cities like Amsterdam has many times lower rates of HIV compared to ordinary Russian cities.)

    HIV epidemic in this region combination of poor public health service response, bad government policy to drug users and not study causes of epidemic, and heroin flooding up from Afghanistan and along the Silk Road.

    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.

    You were wrong.

    Appropriate healthcare and prevention can and does mitigate this (thus low rates in Amsterdam) but in the case of, for example, Ukraine, where healthcare is relatively constant the difference can largely be explained by promiscuity.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    I wrote the answers all here:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/new-peak-in-us-russophobia/?highlight=hiv#comment-3077484
  154. @reiner Tor
    This is several times more serious than what Russia was ever accused of as “meddling.”

    It is certainly far more problematic for Hungary than the “Russian meddling” accusations.

    https://twitter.com/turbovlach/status/1129698597396799489

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    It also draws attention to Orbán's corruption within Hungary. So his election performance might suffer as a result, too.

    Anyway, this is very bad for all European nationalists. It's also bad for Russia, because - incredibly - they are also somehow villains in this story (which has nothing whatsoever to do with them, other than that they used the fake identity of a Russian).
  155. @LondonBob
    AIDs is really a disease of homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Almost impossible for heterosexuals to contract, as evidenced by prostitutes.

    So all those Africans are gays and/or junkies?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I think it has a lot to do with the prevalence of "dry sex," as they call it, which is to say, rape. During "dry sex," both parties' sexual organs suffer minor injuries, which makes it possible for the blood of one to get into the bloodstream of the other, thus leading to infection. It might happen during normal vaginal sex, but significantly less likely, especially for the man to get infected.
  156. @melanf

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.
     
    The Iranians and Armenians is the exact same Europeene race. Of course you can select the "small race", but then Europe is inhabited by several races. The category of "brown" does not coincide with racial division (and the Iranians and the Armenians in the largely white and not brown).

    Armenians are definitely, mainly brown people (these are people from space 30 to 40 degrees latitude). The mixed case is Georgians – some Georgians are very white people. But Georgians are really a mix of the colours.

    This is just a function of latitude, so perhaps Armenians originate a little South of their current position.

    As for racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping similarities. Races in Asia will be genetically much less related to races in Europe.

    Italians are closer to other European races, even if some appear brown. Of course, there is not much sense to group them with comparatively distant races on the border with Pakistan – except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.

    • Replies: @melanf

    Armenians are definitely, mainly brown people
     
    https://asue.am/images/1521617881/a17708694a733d197e8e87ab.jpg
    white skin

    As for racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping similarities. Races in Asia will be genetically much less related to races in Europe.
     
    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it's just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic "proximity" so it is better to talk about it, not about race.
  157. @Mitleser
    It is certainly far more problematic for Hungary than the "Russian meddling" accusations.

    https://twitter.com/turbovlach/status/1129698597396799489

    It also draws attention to Orbán’s corruption within Hungary. So his election performance might suffer as a result, too.

    Anyway, this is very bad for all European nationalists. It’s also bad for Russia, because – incredibly – they are also somehow villains in this story (which has nothing whatsoever to do with them, other than that they used the fake identity of a Russian).

  158. @AP

    I already explained to you HIV rates does not correlate with sexual behaviour.
     
    You were wrong.

    Appropriate healthcare and prevention can and does mitigate this (thus low rates in Amsterdam) but in the case of, for example, Ukraine, where healthcare is relatively constant the difference can largely be explained by promiscuity.
    • Replies: @AP
    You were wrong.

    BTW, number of sexual partners per person:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/248856/average-number-of-sexual-partners-in-selected-countries-worldwide/

    Netherlands is pretty low (I guess it is mostly tourists, not natives, at those brothels).

    Poland, Slovakia (and Germany!) are lowest in Europe. This corresponds to their low HIV rate.

    It's about promiscuity, moderated by healthcare. A moral society can have poor healthcare and won't have an HIV problem (like western Ukraine which has measles but not HIV). But an immoral one with good healthcare can avoid HIV with a lot of work, to an extent (still more HIV in Sweden than in Bulgaria or Croatia).
  159. @melanf

    Of course, some Italians can be brown, but they are possibly the most important European nationality, while Iranians/Armenians is a different race located in Asia.
     
    The Iranians and Armenians is the exact same Europeene race. Of course you can select the "small race", but then Europe is inhabited by several races. The category of "brown" does not coincide with racial division (and the Iranians and the Armenians in the largely white and not brown).

    Why Iranians and Armenians when Lebanese and Turks are genetically closer to Europeans?

  160. @AP
    So all those Africans are gays and/or junkies?

    I think it has a lot to do with the prevalence of “dry sex,” as they call it, which is to say, rape. During “dry sex,” both parties’ sexual organs suffer minor injuries, which makes it possible for the blood of one to get into the bloodstream of the other, thus leading to infection. It might happen during normal vaginal sex, but significantly less likely, especially for the man to get infected.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    The heterosexual HIV spread happens often during more long-term relationships.

    If people sleep together every day, then over several months the probability of spreading become at least somewhat significant even in heterosexual relationships with normal practices.

    This is all quite established by epidemiologists, so I'm not sure what AP is arguing. This type of spread is best prevented by detection

    , @songbird
    True, there is more rape. But you should not downplay whoring. Africans do a truly tremendous amount of whoring. When the whites started to be forced out of Rhodesia, all the vacation bungalows were turned into whore-houses.

    Observably, they have the innate predilection, but it is also a major part of their economy. How do you make money, when unemployment and inflation is so high? By whoring. Then there are the contingent unsafe practices predicated by low intelligence.
    , @dfordoom

    I think it has a lot to do with the prevalence of “dry sex,” as they call it, which is to say, rape. During “dry sex,” both parties’ sexual organs suffer minor injuries, which makes it possible for the blood of one to get into the bloodstream of the other, thus leading to infection.
     
    Yes, good point.

    It all comes down to degenerate sexual behaviour of one sort or another.
  161. @Thorfinnsson
    In antiquity Northern Europeans and Mediterranean Europeans were separated by mountain ranges and dense forests. Trade links existed but were relatively minor because Northern Europe was still savage and thus had less to barter.

    Meanwhile Mediterranean Europeans were closely linked economically, politically, culturally, and genetically with non-Europeans in North Africa and the Levant.

    Even today Mediterranean Europeans often look much more like people from North Africa than they do people from Northern Europe, and this is despite the fact that the North African gene pool has substantially deteriorated in the past ~1300 years owing to the undesirable introgression of negroid genes.

    What unified Northern and Southern Europeans was that Islam overran Anatolia, Levant, and North Africa while all of Europe was Christianized. Then Europeans went out into the world and saw that they were not just religiously different from others, but also biologically different. So "Christian" became "white".

    But it bears remembering that realistically speaking a Sicilian and a Tunisian historically had much more in common than a Sicilian did with a Swede. Thus at the margins there is some question of who is white.

    Iranians, biologically speaking, are not actually a different race. They too are caucasoids. But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white.

    Racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping relations. Races in Europe are generally more closely related to each other, than to races outside Europe, even quite close neighbours (like North Africa and Levant).

    Italians are closer in their genetic history, to other European races, even if some appear brown (Palermo is below 40 degrees latitude) and some – like some Spanish and Portugal people – have partial Arab ancestry .

    There is not much sense to group them with comparatively more distant races on the border with Pakistan – except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.

    But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white

    Being white is a result of biology – there is nothing social or political involved.

    Iranians mostly originate below 40 degrees latitude, so they selected for predominantly dark colours (from melanin content) in their skin and hair.

    Army may not be representative sample (as it might be from different ethnic groups within the country) – but you can see from 4:00 (colouration is often matching even more close 30 degree latitude parts of the country, than 40 degree latitude).

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Being white is a result of biology – there is nothing social or political involved.
     
    For people of mixed ancestry in the US there was a social factor involved...people of mixed black-white ancestry who were light enough could try to "pass" as white and blend into the general white population.
    In Latin America with its mixed populations racial status in social life also isn't always identical to genetic ancestry, with many people being regarded as "white" whose ancestry is only partially European.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    This is not strictly true.

    Here for instance is a West Asian admixture map:

    https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif

    Substantial West Asian admixture in the Mezzogiorno and the Balkans for instance, modest in the rest of Europe, and very little in Scandinavia. None at all among Finnic, Baltic, and forest-Slav populations.

    Haplogroup map:

    http://roundtripticket.me/media/ancient-mediterranean-and-europe-romangreek-ethnicy-physical-new-genetic-map-of-europe.jpg

    It should not be surprising that people from Cyprus are more closely related to people from the Levant than they are to people from the British isles.

    Yet Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.
  162. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    I wrote the answers all here:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/new-peak-in-us-russophobia/?highlight=hiv#comment-3077484

    You were wrong.

    BTW, number of sexual partners per person:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/248856/average-number-of-sexual-partners-in-selected-countries-worldwide/

    Netherlands is pretty low (I guess it is mostly tourists, not natives, at those brothels).

    Poland, Slovakia (and Germany!) are lowest in Europe. This corresponds to their low HIV rate.

    It’s about promiscuity, moderated by healthcare. A moral society can have poor healthcare and won’t have an HIV problem (like western Ukraine which has measles but not HIV). But an immoral one with good healthcare can avoid HIV with a lot of work, to an extent (still more HIV in Sweden than in Bulgaria or Croatia).

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    Why is the Turkish number so high?

    The numbers seem very strange in general: Japanese people have almost twice as many sexual partners as Germans?
  163. @AP
    You were wrong.

    BTW, number of sexual partners per person:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/248856/average-number-of-sexual-partners-in-selected-countries-worldwide/

    Netherlands is pretty low (I guess it is mostly tourists, not natives, at those brothels).

    Poland, Slovakia (and Germany!) are lowest in Europe. This corresponds to their low HIV rate.

    It's about promiscuity, moderated by healthcare. A moral society can have poor healthcare and won't have an HIV problem (like western Ukraine which has measles but not HIV). But an immoral one with good healthcare can avoid HIV with a lot of work, to an extent (still more HIV in Sweden than in Bulgaria or Croatia).

    Why is the Turkish number so high?

    The numbers seem very strange in general: Japanese people have almost twice as many sexual partners as Germans?

  164. @Kent Nationalist
    The normalisation of political violence (throwing objects at people) and failure of the media to cover it has been quite striking in Britain this month.

    It started when a Pakistani threw a milkshake over Tommy Robinson a few weeks ago (a few minutes before the incident, a non-white also walked in front of the camera saying 'fuck white man'). Blue checks (and an official police twitter account) were either laughing or supportive. The Guardian published a sympathetic interview with the 'person' responsible, the Daily Mail (supposedly the most right-wing newspaper) posted an article unfavourable to Robinson and the respectable conservative press was silent.

    Several other things have been thrown at prominent UKIP candidates (for instance, notorious Sargon of Akkad) over the past few weeks since, such as fish, to similar reactions.
    When Anna Soubry, a famously anti-Brexit MP, felt 'harassed' because a right-wing activist came up to her and called her a traitor as she came into Parliament a few months ago, it was national news for several days. Someone who threw an egg at Corbyn went to prison for several weeks.

    This came to a head yesterday because Robinson visited Oldham (a very Pakistani area which previously had race riots) and was confronted by a group of Pakistanis throwing rocks at him and his supporters. The police did nothing to stop them and this has hardly been reported at all.
    Another event yesterday was the Burger King UK account making a joke about this (and liking many supportive tweets), which was picked up on American Nationalist twitter.

    I am interested to know if there are parallels in other European countries.

    I am interested to know if there are parallels in other European countries.

    In Germany there have been high levels of political violence by “antifascists” against right-wingers (and also policemen) for years…AfD politicians (and sometimes voters/minor party members) run a real risk of having their cars torched, their houses vandalized and even being physically assaulted.
    The establishment doesn’t care about this, in fact the left-wing parties (LINKE, Greens, Social Democrats) maintain ties to the “antifascist” scene. They do care about the “hate” directed at establishment politicians in the net though, e.g. Germany’s supreme cripple Schäuble just recently called for a law banning anonymous comments so that all social media would have to force users to give their real name and address.

  165. @Dmitry
    Racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping relations. Races in Europe are generally more closely related to each other, than to races outside Europe, even quite close neighbours (like North Africa and Levant).

    Italians are closer in their genetic history, to other European races, even if some appear brown (Palermo is below 40 degrees latitude) and some - like some Spanish and Portugal people - have partial Arab ancestry .

    There is not much sense to group them with comparatively more distant races on the border with Pakistan – except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.


    But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white
     
    Being white is a result of biology - there is nothing social or political involved.

    Iranians mostly originate below 40 degrees latitude, so they selected for predominantly dark colours (from melanin content) in their skin and hair.

    Army may not be representative sample (as it might be from different ethnic groups within the country) - but you can see from 4:00 (colouration is often matching even more close 30 degree latitude parts of the country, than 40 degree latitude).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBXx5bvR4k

    Being white is a result of biology – there is nothing social or political involved.

    For people of mixed ancestry in the US there was a social factor involved…people of mixed black-white ancestry who were light enough could try to “pass” as white and blend into the general white population.
    In Latin America with its mixed populations racial status in social life also isn’t always identical to genetic ancestry, with many people being regarded as “white” whose ancestry is only partially European.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Sure, it's true, that it could become a social question in some societies, especially with external expression of traits can be unrepresentative of ancestry.

    I saw in England, a black mother with two blonde children.

    I was curious for a few seconds, and then realized probably she is half black and half English, while the father of the children would be English.

    3 English grandparents and 1 black grandparent - and the children blonde. In that case, the children would be externally "English/white", but at the same time they might socially feel like they are black.

    (Actually I just realized something similar with Prince Harry's children - although in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all, so probably their sentiment of being black will be very distant).

  166. @Swarthy Greek
    3 points to rebuke that comment specifically

    1)marching styles are not related to race

    2)Military parades with tight knit marching and orchestras are European imports that date back to the 19th and early 20th century. Indian military tradition (insignia, marching style, doctrine...) is based on British military tradition and historical indian army units descend from the British Indian army (The Raj's colonial force). The similarities that you may see between the Iranian and Indian armies are due to the fact that the Iranian army was largely trained by british advisors when it was formed. Still there are pretty obvious differences: Iranians goose step (Reza Shah brought german advisors in the 30s) while Indians don't.

    3)There is no such thing as "Arab marching style". First of all arab armies do not know how to march properly. Secondly, as i said military parades are a european import, and as such arab marching styles are a mish mash of British, French and Soviet influences.

    If you want to meet Iranians, try to meet Persian Jews who came to Israel after the fall of the Pahlavi regime. They are racially similar to native iranians because they mingled with the local population and their community predates the expulsion of jews from Israel.

    The indian brahmins typically shave a fatter , round face type ( due to dravidian DNA) while Iranians have more Caucasian facial features

    Marching style is not related to race and reflects cultural influences. I’m adding a comment on my subjective impression of this exotic style of marching, which does not seem similar to Arab parades – in case anyone else is interested in this video.

    The indian brahmins typically shave a fatter , round face type ( due to dravidian DNA) while Iranians have more Caucasian facial features

    If you compare external appearance of Indians/Pakistanis who originate from nationalities native to the same latitude as those compared to in Iran – I assume the differences will be subtle, however.

    For example, a large proportion of Pakistan’s population today are immigrants from lower latitudes in India and therefore have blacker skin.

    However, the Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan – who is Pashtun, which did not immigrate from lower latitudes in India – appears less like “typical Indian”, than Ahmadinejad – previous President of Iran – , for example.

    Iran goes from below 25 degrees latitude in South to 39 degrees latitude in North. So even in recent history, there can be selection for different shades in relation to melanin within a country with this location.

    South of Iran has the same latitude range as Bangladesh. While the Northern edge of Iran is the same latitude as Napoli.

    want to meet Iranians, try to meet Persian Jews who came to Israel after the fall of the Pahlavi regime. They are racially similar to native iranians because they mingled with the local population and their community predates the expulsion of jews from Israel.

    Of course, if you visit Israel, you will see many distinctive races, and probably someone with a lot of travelling experience, can even guess accurately which countries they originate from their faces.

    I’m not saying Iranians and Indians are the same race. But there will be significant external overlap if you compare ones whose ancestors lived in the same latitudes, and there are genetic relations as well.

  167. @Dmitry
    Racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping relations. Races in Europe are generally more closely related to each other, than to races outside Europe, even quite close neighbours (like North Africa and Levant).

    Italians are closer in their genetic history, to other European races, even if some appear brown (Palermo is below 40 degrees latitude) and some - like some Spanish and Portugal people - have partial Arab ancestry .

    There is not much sense to group them with comparatively more distant races on the border with Pakistan – except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.


    But because they live in Western Asia and practice Islam, they are not thought of as white
     
    Being white is a result of biology - there is nothing social or political involved.

    Iranians mostly originate below 40 degrees latitude, so they selected for predominantly dark colours (from melanin content) in their skin and hair.

    Army may not be representative sample (as it might be from different ethnic groups within the country) - but you can see from 4:00 (colouration is often matching even more close 30 degree latitude parts of the country, than 40 degree latitude).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBXx5bvR4k

    This is not strictly true.

    Here for instance is a West Asian admixture map:

    Substantial West Asian admixture in the Mezzogiorno and the Balkans for instance, modest in the rest of Europe, and very little in Scandinavia. None at all among Finnic, Baltic, and forest-Slav populations.

    Haplogroup map:

    It should not be surprising that people from Cyprus are more closely related to people from the Levant than they are to people from the British isles.

    Yet Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    Based on what?

    Somebody give me a definition of who is and is not white and why they draw the line where it is.
  168. @reiner Tor
    I think it has a lot to do with the prevalence of "dry sex," as they call it, which is to say, rape. During "dry sex," both parties' sexual organs suffer minor injuries, which makes it possible for the blood of one to get into the bloodstream of the other, thus leading to infection. It might happen during normal vaginal sex, but significantly less likely, especially for the man to get infected.

    The heterosexual HIV spread happens often during more long-term relationships.

    If people sleep together every day, then over several months the probability of spreading become at least somewhat significant even in heterosexual relationships with normal practices.

    This is all quite established by epidemiologists, so I’m not sure what AP is arguing. This type of spread is best prevented by detection

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Yes, so in Africa it could be the “open polygamy” system, where an old and powerful guy has several wives, who work, and thus provide him with food and other goods (including money). However, the guy cannot really control them, because they are out working all day long, and so they are having affairs with younger guys. This could mean several months or years, or shorter, and with one guy at a time or several guys. (Over the years likely many guys.)

    If one of the younger guys is infected, he is very likely to infect the woman, who in turn will likely infect his other wives, who in turn will infect their own outside marriage partners, etc.

    I forgot about it. The “dry sex” is just one way to result in an infection.

    And of course, serial monogamy is a very simple way of infection.

  169. @German_reader

    Being white is a result of biology – there is nothing social or political involved.
     
    For people of mixed ancestry in the US there was a social factor involved...people of mixed black-white ancestry who were light enough could try to "pass" as white and blend into the general white population.
    In Latin America with its mixed populations racial status in social life also isn't always identical to genetic ancestry, with many people being regarded as "white" whose ancestry is only partially European.

    Sure, it’s true, that it could become a social question in some societies, especially with external expression of traits can be unrepresentative of ancestry.

    I saw in England, a black mother with two blonde children.

    I was curious for a few seconds, and then realized probably she is half black and half English, while the father of the children would be English.

    3 English grandparents and 1 black grandparent – and the children blonde. In that case, the children would be externally “English/white”, but at the same time they might socially feel like they are black.

    (Actually I just realized something similar with Prince Harry’s children – although in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all, so probably their sentiment of being black will be very distant).

    • Replies: @German_reader

    in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all
     
    iirc one of her parents was white?
    But black Americans are another good example for "race is a social construct" thesis, people like Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice or Eric Holder clearly have substantial European ancestry, but in the US context they're still seen just as "black" (or think of Obama as well).
  170. @Dmitry
    The heterosexual HIV spread happens often during more long-term relationships.

    If people sleep together every day, then over several months the probability of spreading become at least somewhat significant even in heterosexual relationships with normal practices.

    This is all quite established by epidemiologists, so I'm not sure what AP is arguing. This type of spread is best prevented by detection

    Yes, so in Africa it could be the “open polygamy” system, where an old and powerful guy has several wives, who work, and thus provide him with food and other goods (including money). However, the guy cannot really control them, because they are out working all day long, and so they are having affairs with younger guys. This could mean several months or years, or shorter, and with one guy at a time or several guys. (Over the years likely many guys.)

    If one of the younger guys is infected, he is very likely to infect the woman, who in turn will likely infect his other wives, who in turn will infect their own outside marriage partners, etc.

    I forgot about it. The “dry sex” is just one way to result in an infection.

    And of course, serial monogamy is a very simple way of infection.

  171. @Dmitry
    Sure, it's true, that it could become a social question in some societies, especially with external expression of traits can be unrepresentative of ancestry.

    I saw in England, a black mother with two blonde children.

    I was curious for a few seconds, and then realized probably she is half black and half English, while the father of the children would be English.

    3 English grandparents and 1 black grandparent - and the children blonde. In that case, the children would be externally "English/white", but at the same time they might socially feel like they are black.

    (Actually I just realized something similar with Prince Harry's children - although in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all, so probably their sentiment of being black will be very distant).

    in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all

    iirc one of her parents was white?
    But black Americans are another good example for “race is a social construct” thesis, people like Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice or Eric Holder clearly have substantial European ancestry, but in the US context they’re still seen just as “black” (or think of Obama as well).

    • Replies: @songbird
    I'm kind-hearted enough that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia, South Africa, or even Hispanolia. Harry's demon brood would make good figureheads for an African kingdom, to help facilitate resource extraction.
    , @Dmitry
    Yes Prince Harry's wife is half black.

    However, it's not really obvious, and she became a lot more attractive than her parents, especially for her age.


    The mother is black and not beautiful.
    https://n1s1.elle.ru/2f/e4/29/2fe42966e4b905854073506256d0b53c/[email protected]_0xac120003_8565497101556025847.JPEG

    And the father also an ugly fat man.
    https://i.imgur.com/wFXOZxJ.jpg

  172. @reiner Tor
    I think it has a lot to do with the prevalence of "dry sex," as they call it, which is to say, rape. During "dry sex," both parties' sexual organs suffer minor injuries, which makes it possible for the blood of one to get into the bloodstream of the other, thus leading to infection. It might happen during normal vaginal sex, but significantly less likely, especially for the man to get infected.

    True, there is more rape. But you should not downplay whoring. Africans do a truly tremendous amount of whoring. When the whites started to be forced out of Rhodesia, all the vacation bungalows were turned into whore-houses.

    Observably, they have the innate predilection, but it is also a major part of their economy. How do you make money, when unemployment and inflation is so high? By whoring. Then there are the contingent unsafe practices predicated by low intelligence.

  173. @Thorfinnsson
    I've traveled down the same road myself as have many other men. I'm not going to defend any cultural degeneracy, but unless you grow up in a strict religious subculture then the sexual revolution is the default. In such an environment it's not strange that some men seek to study how to better bed women. Some of those men in turn will turn that into a business.

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians because they allowed their own churches to become pozzed. Dalrock, Rollo Tomassi, etc. are reintroducing knowledge that was known to St. Augustine but is not known by today's nominally Christian men.

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians

    What kind of knowledge?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    Apparently St Augustine was giving sermons on how best to integrate dark triad traits into your personality, and counseling young Christians to act aloof and arrogant to attract women.

    The whole love thing was just a smokescreen.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    AaronB's point has merit, though that's not what I was going for. I'm not really a fan of DARK TRIAD since it has overtones of immorality and even evil. I'd rather say high value behavior. It's not necessarily DARK TRIAD for instance to refuse to let people, including attractive women, to walk all over you. It's simple self-respect. Wall Street Playboys once described "game" as pretending to be rich.

    The actual lost knowledge (lost by most, not completely eradicated) that was rediscovered was the difference between the masculine and feminine, and how as a man you must lead women. This was originally "researched" by these people simply to get laid, but has applicability in proper relationships and is described in such terms by Christian "game" writers such as Dalrock: https://dalrock.wordpress.com

    A banal example of this is when couples discuss where to go out for dinner. Women absolutely hate it when men say they are fine with anything and "whatever you want honey" because it comes off as weak and indecisive.

  174. @German_reader

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians
     
    What kind of knowledge?

    Apparently St Augustine was giving sermons on how best to integrate dark triad traits into your personality, and counseling young Christians to act aloof and arrogant to attract women.

    The whole love thing was just a smokescreen.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Yeah, I don't have a positive view of this whole pua movement either (to the extent that I'm aware of it...not sure this even exists apart from internet blogs, where one can claim anything), but I'd still like to read Thorfinnsson's answer.
    , @dfordoom

    Apparently St Augustine was giving sermons on how best to integrate dark triad traits into your personality, and counseling young Christians to act aloof and arrogant to attract women.

    The whole love thing was just a smokescreen.
     
    Not entirely. But romantic love was a relatively late development. It seemed to start with the popularity of the idea of courtly love in around about the 12th century.
  175. @AaronB
    Apparently St Augustine was giving sermons on how best to integrate dark triad traits into your personality, and counseling young Christians to act aloof and arrogant to attract women.

    The whole love thing was just a smokescreen.

    Yeah, I don’t have a positive view of this whole pua movement either (to the extent that I’m aware of it…not sure this even exists apart from internet blogs, where one can claim anything), but I’d still like to read Thorfinnsson’s answer.

  176. @German_reader

    in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all
     
    iirc one of her parents was white?
    But black Americans are another good example for "race is a social construct" thesis, people like Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice or Eric Holder clearly have substantial European ancestry, but in the US context they're still seen just as "black" (or think of Obama as well).

    I’m kind-hearted enough that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia, South Africa, or even Hispanolia. Harry’s demon brood would make good figureheads for an African kingdom, to help facilitate resource extraction.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia
     
    Wasn't there something about the American-descended blacks there being overthrown and massacred by the pure blacks?
    btw, your idea of Harry and Meghan moving to Africa might become true, iirc they've considered doing that (though I still expect this marriage to fail disastrously within a few years anyway).
  177. @songbird
    I'm kind-hearted enough that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia, South Africa, or even Hispanolia. Harry's demon brood would make good figureheads for an African kingdom, to help facilitate resource extraction.

    that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia

    Wasn’t there something about the American-descended blacks there being overthrown and massacred by the pure blacks?
    btw, your idea of Harry and Meghan moving to Africa might become true, iirc they’ve considered doing that (though I still expect this marriage to fail disastrously within a few years anyway).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Wasn’t there something about the American-descended blacks there being overthrown and massacred by the pure blacks?
     
    Yes, after they had kept them enslaved for over a century. They also constituted just 1% of the population.
    , @songbird
    Yes, in black countries, mulattoes and blacks do not get along. This is also true of Haiti and South Africa. And why, out of my kind heart, I advocate deporting mulattoes to destinations were they will become the majority. It is mostly something that would have to be engineered, since DR arguably isn't big enough to absorb all of them.

    Liberia makes sense mostly out of historical tradition and nearness. It is actually a pretty bad country, even comparatively for the region. But my idea is that it would start to improve dramatically, when a lot of mulattoes were forcibly moved there.
  178. @German_reader

    in that case his wife does not appear externally black at all
     
    iirc one of her parents was white?
    But black Americans are another good example for "race is a social construct" thesis, people like Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice or Eric Holder clearly have substantial European ancestry, but in the US context they're still seen just as "black" (or think of Obama as well).

    Yes Prince Harry’s wife is half black.

    However, it’s not really obvious, and she became a lot more attractive than her parents, especially for her age.

    The mother is black and not beautiful.

    And the father also an ugly fat man.

  179. @Thorfinnsson
    Yes, the power of life and death of pater familias over children is quite extreme of course. I would need to know more about how it functioned in practice in order to be able to evaluate it however.

    Christianity strengthened the power of husbands over wives compared to paganism because the possibility of divorce disappeared or was severely restricted (e.g. when divorce was allowed it was at-fault only and the "guilty" party was not permitted to remarry).

    I'm not clear on how marriage impacted property in Rome, but under Christianity the property of a wife became the property of her husband. To some degree contracts could restrict how much control the husband had over the property of course.

    One interesting development of Christianity was romantic love. Since marriage was a sacrament, the power of families to make or stop marriage was eliminated.

    One interesting development of Christianity was romantic love.

    While there is a grain of truth in this, I think it is also overplayed. The reality seems to be that marriages continued to largely be arranged or at least heavily influenced by family, until relatively recently. For instance, half of my great grandparents married siblings of their inlaws.

    This marriage for love thing in a wider sense is a more recent concept, somewhat influenced by urbanism and social atomization, and this might partly explain why so many have trouble getting married today.

  180. @German_reader

    that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia
     
    Wasn't there something about the American-descended blacks there being overthrown and massacred by the pure blacks?
    btw, your idea of Harry and Meghan moving to Africa might become true, iirc they've considered doing that (though I still expect this marriage to fail disastrously within a few years anyway).

    Wasn’t there something about the American-descended blacks there being overthrown and massacred by the pure blacks?

    Yes, after they had kept them enslaved for over a century. They also constituted just 1% of the population.

  181. @German_reader

    that I would deport all the mulattoes to Liberia
     
    Wasn't there something about the American-descended blacks there being overthrown and massacred by the pure blacks?
    btw, your idea of Harry and Meghan moving to Africa might become true, iirc they've considered doing that (though I still expect this marriage to fail disastrously within a few years anyway).

    Yes, in black countries, mulattoes and blacks do not get along. This is also true of Haiti and South Africa. And why, out of my kind heart, I advocate deporting mulattoes to destinations were they will become the majority. It is mostly something that would have to be engineered, since DR arguably isn’t big enough to absorb all of them.

    Liberia makes sense mostly out of historical tradition and nearness. It is actually a pretty bad country, even comparatively for the region. But my idea is that it would start to improve dramatically, when a lot of mulattoes were forcibly moved there.

  182. @Dmitry
    Armenians are definitely, mainly brown people (these are people from space 30 to 40 degrees latitude). The mixed case is Georgians - some Georgians are very white people. But Georgians are really a mix of the colours.

    This is just a function of latitude, so perhaps Armenians originate a little South of their current position.

    As for racial divisions - genetically, this is a scale of overlapping similarities. Races in Asia will be genetically much less related to races in Europe.

    Italians are closer to other European races, even if some appear brown. Of course, there is not much sense to group them with comparatively distant races on the border with Pakistan - except that they may have a similar latitude, so the melanin content will match.

    Armenians are definitely, mainly brown people

    white skin

    As for racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping similarities. Races in Asia will be genetically much less related to races in Europe.

    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it’s just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic “proximity” so it is better to talk about it, not about race.

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    white skin
     
    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both both "too high UV" in the summer, and "too low UV" in the winter, and tans between the two depending on the season.

    Georgia has a mix of minority white (Northern appearing people) and brown ( 30-40 degrees people).

    But in Armenia it's clearly more uniform brown (i.e. 30-40 degree latitude appearance).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmI8GgRWHQ


    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it’s just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic “proximity” so it is better to talk about it, not about race.

     

    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.

    Genetically, they are native to the region.
    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

    https://i.imgur.com/GjCPyIy.jpg


    External appearance just matches the geographical position of the country Iran, as well as its latitude range.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVmtyw9pd4

  183. @reiner Tor
    The most evil people ever:

    #1 Hitler
    #2 Stalin
    #3 Ramsay Bolton

    People in Brooklyn say its 1) Hitler, 2) Stalin, and 3) Walter O’Malley as the world’s most evil people.

    • Replies: @songbird
    As much as tradition appeals to me, I think Seinfeld was right when it comes to professional sports: you are rooting for laundry. It is particularly true since the international negrification of almost all sports, even national teams.

    Though I must say O'Malley probably has had a a negative influence. It seems standard practice now for owners to threaten moving unless they get gibs and many pols seem perfectly willing to comply.

    But why care about the Brooklyn Dodgers, when Brooklyn itself has been radically transformed? It seems silly.
  184. @reiner Tor
    The most evil people ever:

    #1 Hitler
    #2 Stalin
    #3 Ramsay Bolton

    Isn’t this Ramsay Bolton character supposed to be some sexual sadist (iirc Razib Khan – whose literary tates seem to be limited to fantasy novels – once wrote that he’s even worse in the books than in the show)?
    So isn’t he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin who never raped anybody and also thought they were creating a better world (social justice and freedom for the oppressed classes in Stalin’s case, preventing racial degeneration and keeping alive the possibility of high civilization in Hitler’s case)?

    • Replies: @Mitleser

    So isn’t he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin
     
    Certainly.
    Unlike them, he is a kinslayer (half-brothers and father).
    , @reiner Tor
    I have no idea. I just googled “the most evil Game of Thrones character,” that’s how I got to his name.
  185. @Abelard Lindsey
    People in Brooklyn say its 1) Hitler, 2) Stalin, and 3) Walter O'Malley as the world's most evil people.

    As much as tradition appeals to me, I think Seinfeld was right when it comes to professional sports: you are rooting for laundry. It is particularly true since the international negrification of almost all sports, even national teams.

    Though I must say O’Malley probably has had a a negative influence. It seems standard practice now for owners to threaten moving unless they get gibs and many pols seem perfectly willing to comply.

    But why care about the Brooklyn Dodgers, when Brooklyn itself has been radically transformed? It seems silly.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    That saying was from the 1950s. By the 1970s, I believe that Brooklyn has pretty gotten over the Dodgers leaving. In nearby Queens, the Mets came into being, winning the 1969 and 1986 World Series. At present, there might be more fans of the Yankees in Brooklyn than Mets supporters. (I haven't seen any polling on that particular.)
  186. @German_reader
    Isn't this Ramsay Bolton character supposed to be some sexual sadist (iirc Razib Khan - whose literary tates seem to be limited to fantasy novels - once wrote that he's even worse in the books than in the show)?
    So isn't he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin who never raped anybody and also thought they were creating a better world (social justice and freedom for the oppressed classes in Stalin's case, preventing racial degeneration and keeping alive the possibility of high civilization in Hitler's case)?

    So isn’t he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin

    Certainly.
    Unlike them, he is a kinslayer (half-brothers and father).

    • Replies: @songbird

    Unlike them, he is a kinslayer
     
    In the books, I believe there is at least a slight implication that he is not Roose Bolton's son, but that Roose was fooled into thinking so by rather poor evidence. Though, Ramsay himself would probably be ignorant of this.
    , @reiner Tor
    Stalin killed some family members, at least several in-laws (from his first wife who he loved; he supposedly said at her funeral that with her his love of mankind died, too), and possibly some bastard children and their families. He also deeply disliked his oldest son (from the same beloved wife). Mentally he was a pretty sick guy. But yes, it’s possible that some caricature evil fantasy characters might be worse.
  187. @Epigon
    The “German” media that released the story are well known Atlanticist opinion pieces.
    Of course select media and journalists are inseparable from intelligence and security organizations in the West.
    They held on to the video and story since 2017 and released it now - FPÖ and Strache in particular had been in their crosshairs since a long time ago.
    The man he replaced was assassinated - “car accident”.

    Local intelligence/media case - a “Serbian” media (Kurir - Adria Media Group - Styria) had released damning evidence obtained by tapping the communication between Slovenian officials and arbitrators in Slovenia/Croatia coastline arbitration. The Slovenians were caught bribing and explicitly buying off the whole court.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this - released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this – released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.

    Ein weiterer Ausschnitt aus dem sechsstündigen Video, das Heinz-Christian Strache in Bedrängnis brachte, birgt neuen Zündstoff. Darin ist zu hören, wie der langjährige FPÖ-Chef Gerüchte über andere Politiker verbreitet.

    Da ist zu hören: “Also, ich habe einen Informanten, der hat mir Fotos vom Kern geschickt. Mit minderjährigen Schwarzen in Kapstadt.”

    Außerdem spricht Strache von “Sex-Orgien von Kurz in den Drogen-Hinterzimmern”.

    https://www.heute.at/politik/news/story/Heinz-Christian-Strache-FPOE-schwer-belastet-Video-SZ-Spiegel-neuer-Ausschnitt-57184991

    Another excerpt from the six-hour video, which put Heinz-Christian Strache in distress, contains new explosive material. It shows how the long-time FPÖ leader spreads rumours about other politicians.

    There is to be heard: “Well, I have an informant who sent me photos of the core. With underage blacks in Cape Town.”

    Strache also speaks of “sex orgies of Kurz in the drug back rooms”.

    https://www.deepl.com/Translator

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Fotos vom Kern
     
    Christian Kern is the former Austrian chancellor (Social Democrats).
    German politicians meanwhile have been totally shameless with giving their opinions about Austrian internal affairs...some (like Andrea Nahles of the SPD or Robert Habeck of the Greens) have even demanded new elections in Austria.
    Merkel and her replacement Kramp-Karrenbauer also spoke gravely about the evils of right-wing populism.
    Hopefully the FPÖ will be smart enough to use that as basis for an anti-German election campaign which should motivate Austrians.
    The whole affair is really suspicious, given the likely costs involved for producing that video, I don't think it can have been done by left-wing activists or journalists.
    , @reiner Tor
    So the Social Democratic leader is implicated as a paedophile, while Kurz doesn’t look very good either.

    It’s obvious that this was orchestrated by someone outside the Austrian power structure.

    Apparently the woman was introduced into him through the wife of the other FPÖ politician in the video, a blonde woman who just appeared near the guy right after his father died and he was struggling with depression. So it might have been a very complicated operation, marrying off an FPÖ leader to a spy, or - maybe more likely - getting the dumb blonde into trusting the “niece of the Russian oligarch.”

    At least half the job seems to be to get Strache believe (probably through the wife of his confidante) that it truly is a niece of the oligarch. They avoided proper vetting by getting the wife of the other politician trust in her. (Or the wife herself was a part of it.)

    Getting the villa even for a few days was expensive, but probably not very much so. The secret cameras needed to be installed by professionals - not a trivial job to connect them each to electricity (batteries won’t do, it’s several hours), and not being easily noticeable.

    So I’m pretty sure it wasn’t amateurs.
  188. In Hungary I read that Strache talked about things like Sebastian Kurz participating in private sex parties and similar things. Interesting that it seems to do him no harm.

    They also wrote that Tal Silberstein (who was recently a campaign advisor of Orbán) might also be behind the video.

    Jan Böhmermann (a German comedian) probably knew about the video already in April, because he made a remark that he was snorting cocaine with some Austrian friends from the FPÖ in a villa of a Russian oligarch in Ibiza while talking about how to buy the Kronen Zeitung. (The paper about which they talk in the video.)

    • Replies: @German_reader

    They also wrote that Tal Silberstein (who was recently a campaign advisor of Orbán)
     
    Silberstein was involved in some major scandal about dirty campaigning for the Austrian Social Democrats a few years ago:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silberstein-Aff%C3%A4re
    basically something about fake Facebook sites (meant to discredit Sebastian Kurz, by implying supporters of him were Nazis).
    This Strache video is in a whole different league though imo.
    , @Mitleser
    According to Herbert Kickl, Austria's minister of the interior, the ÖVP-FPÖ coalition broke down yesterday because Kurz demanded control of Kickl's ministry which is the most important ministry run by a FPÖ minister for Kurz's party. The FPÖ refused.

    https://www.tagesstimme.com/2019/05/19/kickl-oevp-wollte-meinen-rueckzug-als-innenminister-erzwingen/
  189. @German_reader
    Isn't this Ramsay Bolton character supposed to be some sexual sadist (iirc Razib Khan - whose literary tates seem to be limited to fantasy novels - once wrote that he's even worse in the books than in the show)?
    So isn't he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin who never raped anybody and also thought they were creating a better world (social justice and freedom for the oppressed classes in Stalin's case, preventing racial degeneration and keeping alive the possibility of high civilization in Hitler's case)?

    I have no idea. I just googled “the most evil Game of Thrones character,” that’s how I got to his name.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    I just googled “the most evil Game of Thrones character,”
     
    iirc Ramsay Bolton is some sick pervert who rapes women and then has them mauled to death by vicious dogs.
    It's the kind of stuff that is supposed to make GoT "dark", "gritty", "realistic" etc. (which seems rather dubious to me).
  190. @Mitleser

    So isn’t he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin
     
    Certainly.
    Unlike them, he is a kinslayer (half-brothers and father).

    Unlike them, he is a kinslayer

    In the books, I believe there is at least a slight implication that he is not Roose Bolton’s son, but that Roose was fooled into thinking so by rather poor evidence. Though, Ramsay himself would probably be ignorant of this.

  191. @Mitleser

    So isn’t he in some ways more evil than Hitler and Stalin
     
    Certainly.
    Unlike them, he is a kinslayer (half-brothers and father).

    Stalin killed some family members, at least several in-laws (from his first wife who he loved; he supposedly said at her funeral that with her his love of mankind died, too), and possibly some bastard children and their families. He also deeply disliked his oldest son (from the same beloved wife). Mentally he was a pretty sick guy. But yes, it’s possible that some caricature evil fantasy characters might be worse.

  192. @Mitleser

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this – released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.
     

    Ein weiterer Ausschnitt aus dem sechsstündigen Video, das Heinz-Christian Strache in Bedrängnis brachte, birgt neuen Zündstoff. Darin ist zu hören, wie der langjährige FPÖ-Chef Gerüchte über andere Politiker verbreitet.

    Da ist zu hören: "Also, ich habe einen Informanten, der hat mir Fotos vom Kern geschickt. Mit minderjährigen Schwarzen in Kapstadt."

    Außerdem spricht Strache von "Sex-Orgien von Kurz in den Drogen-Hinterzimmern".
     
    https://www.heute.at/politik/news/story/Heinz-Christian-Strache-FPOE-schwer-belastet-Video-SZ-Spiegel-neuer-Ausschnitt-57184991

    Another excerpt from the six-hour video, which put Heinz-Christian Strache in distress, contains new explosive material. It shows how the long-time FPÖ leader spreads rumours about other politicians.

    There is to be heard: "Well, I have an informant who sent me photos of the core. With underage blacks in Cape Town."

    Strache also speaks of "sex orgies of Kurz in the drug back rooms".
     
    https://www.deepl.com/Translator

    Fotos vom Kern

    Christian Kern is the former Austrian chancellor (Social Democrats).
    German politicians meanwhile have been totally shameless with giving their opinions about Austrian internal affairs…some (like Andrea Nahles of the SPD or Robert Habeck of the Greens) have even demanded new elections in Austria.
    Merkel and her replacement Kramp-Karrenbauer also spoke gravely about the evils of right-wing populism.
    Hopefully the FPÖ will be smart enough to use that as basis for an anti-German election campaign which should motivate Austrians.
    The whole affair is really suspicious, given the likely costs involved for producing that video, I don’t think it can have been done by left-wing activists or journalists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This would be a major, career-making coup for a journalist to pull off; the fact that nobody has stepped forward to claim credit is strange, to say the least.
    , @reiner Tor
    I’d imagine that it cost a lot to build up the persona of the oligarch-niece. She would have to appear in very expensive and very stylish clothes several times, probably with expensive and stylish jewelry, perhaps expensive modes of transport (expensive cars? limos?), and spending money carelessly (like proposing to meet for lunch in some horribly expensive restaurant, then picking up the tab), knowing that the blonde would likely notice details (as women often do), so you cannot make mistakes.

    Even if it was just a few times they met with the wife of the politician and everything was rented, it’s really difficult to imagine it costing less than several tens of thousands of dollars, probably a hundred thousand. It’d be considerably more expensive if done by professionals (like no hidden camera enthusiast installing the cameras for free), and unless it was some intelligence service, it’s hard to know how they could avoid indiscretion on the part of the many people involved.
  193. @melanf

    Armenians are definitely, mainly brown people
     
    https://asue.am/images/1521617881/a17708694a733d197e8e87ab.jpg
    white skin

    As for racial divisions – genetically, this is a scale of overlapping similarities. Races in Asia will be genetically much less related to races in Europe.
     
    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it's just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic "proximity" so it is better to talk about it, not about race.

    white skin

    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both both “too high UV” in the summer, and “too low UV” in the winter, and tans between the two depending on the season.

    Georgia has a mix of minority white (Northern appearing people) and brown ( 30-40 degrees people).

    But in Armenia it’s clearly more uniform brown (i.e. 30-40 degree latitude appearance).

    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it’s just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic “proximity” so it is better to talk about it, not about race.

    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.

    Genetically, they are native to the region.
    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

    External appearance just matches the geographical position of the country Iran, as well as its latitude range.

    • Replies: @melanf

    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both
     
    I often see Armenians in St. Petersburg, where is very little sun. Armenians have black hair and black eyes, but their skin is white. In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes "brown" even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)


    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.
    Genetically, they are native to the region.
     
    I guess I don't speak English well. Armenians and Iranians belong to the "big" race which in Russian is called "Europeids" and in English has a stupid name the "Caucasoids". It's just a scientific fact. This race is indigenous to both Europe and Western Asia (and also to North Africa)
    , @melanf

    Georgia has a mix of minority white (Northern appearing people)
     
    As far as I know "white" is representative of europides (Caucasian) race with white skin (that is, southern and Northern Europeans are white). If we assume that the "white" is the owners of the Northern appearance, then the majority of the population of Europe is not white
  194. @reiner Tor
    In Hungary I read that Strache talked about things like Sebastian Kurz participating in private sex parties and similar things. Interesting that it seems to do him no harm.

    They also wrote that Tal Silberstein (who was recently a campaign advisor of Orbán) might also be behind the video.

    Jan Böhmermann (a German comedian) probably knew about the video already in April, because he made a remark that he was snorting cocaine with some Austrian friends from the FPÖ in a villa of a Russian oligarch in Ibiza while talking about how to buy the Kronen Zeitung. (The paper about which they talk in the video.)

    They also wrote that Tal Silberstein (who was recently a campaign advisor of Orbán)

    Silberstein was involved in some major scandal about dirty campaigning for the Austrian Social Democrats a few years ago:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silberstein-Aff%C3%A4re
    basically something about fake Facebook sites (meant to discredit Sebastian Kurz, by implying supporters of him were Nazis).
    This Strache video is in a whole different league though imo.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Yes, that’s what I concluded in my later comment, it was almost certainly professionals.

    I just mentioned it because it was written on major Hungarian website (and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press).
  195. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Fotos vom Kern
     
    Christian Kern is the former Austrian chancellor (Social Democrats).
    German politicians meanwhile have been totally shameless with giving their opinions about Austrian internal affairs...some (like Andrea Nahles of the SPD or Robert Habeck of the Greens) have even demanded new elections in Austria.
    Merkel and her replacement Kramp-Karrenbauer also spoke gravely about the evils of right-wing populism.
    Hopefully the FPÖ will be smart enough to use that as basis for an anti-German election campaign which should motivate Austrians.
    The whole affair is really suspicious, given the likely costs involved for producing that video, I don't think it can have been done by left-wing activists or journalists.

    This would be a major, career-making coup for a journalist to pull off; the fact that nobody has stepped forward to claim credit is strange, to say the least.

  196. @reiner Tor
    In Hungary I read that Strache talked about things like Sebastian Kurz participating in private sex parties and similar things. Interesting that it seems to do him no harm.

    They also wrote that Tal Silberstein (who was recently a campaign advisor of Orbán) might also be behind the video.

    Jan Böhmermann (a German comedian) probably knew about the video already in April, because he made a remark that he was snorting cocaine with some Austrian friends from the FPÖ in a villa of a Russian oligarch in Ibiza while talking about how to buy the Kronen Zeitung. (The paper about which they talk in the video.)

    According to Herbert Kickl, Austria’s minister of the interior, the ÖVP-FPÖ coalition broke down yesterday because Kurz demanded control of Kickl’s ministry which is the most important ministry run by a FPÖ minister for Kurz’s party. The FPÖ refused.

    https://www.tagesstimme.com/2019/05/19/kickl-oevp-wollte-meinen-rueckzug-als-innenminister-erzwingen/

  197. @reiner Tor
    I have no idea. I just googled “the most evil Game of Thrones character,” that’s how I got to his name.

    I just googled “the most evil Game of Thrones character,”

    iirc Ramsay Bolton is some sick pervert who rapes women and then has them mauled to death by vicious dogs.
    It’s the kind of stuff that is supposed to make GoT “dark”, “gritty”, “realistic” etc. (which seems rather dubious to me).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    He also flays his enemies alive, including those who surrender to them. Murders hostages. Castrates a hostage. Basically evil for the sake of the evil. Not one of their more nuanced characters (there is usually some logic to when and how a character chooses to be cruel; Ramsay, Prince Joffrey and arguably The Mountain are exceptions to this general rule).
  198. @Mitleser

    Kurz the mongrel is part of this – released ahead of EU Parliament elections and he compounded it by calling for early elections where he will blow the Social Democrats and incriminated FPÖ away and take all the power for himself and his party. The guy is a selected stooge, his rapid rise to power for no obvious talent or merit was a giveaway from the start.
     

    Ein weiterer Ausschnitt aus dem sechsstündigen Video, das Heinz-Christian Strache in Bedrängnis brachte, birgt neuen Zündstoff. Darin ist zu hören, wie der langjährige FPÖ-Chef Gerüchte über andere Politiker verbreitet.

    Da ist zu hören: "Also, ich habe einen Informanten, der hat mir Fotos vom Kern geschickt. Mit minderjährigen Schwarzen in Kapstadt."

    Außerdem spricht Strache von "Sex-Orgien von Kurz in den Drogen-Hinterzimmern".
     
    https://www.heute.at/politik/news/story/Heinz-Christian-Strache-FPOE-schwer-belastet-Video-SZ-Spiegel-neuer-Ausschnitt-57184991

    Another excerpt from the six-hour video, which put Heinz-Christian Strache in distress, contains new explosive material. It shows how the long-time FPÖ leader spreads rumours about other politicians.

    There is to be heard: "Well, I have an informant who sent me photos of the core. With underage blacks in Cape Town."

    Strache also speaks of "sex orgies of Kurz in the drug back rooms".
     
    https://www.deepl.com/Translator

    So the Social Democratic leader is implicated as a paedophile, while Kurz doesn’t look very good either.

    It’s obvious that this was orchestrated by someone outside the Austrian power structure.

    Apparently the woman was introduced into him through the wife of the other FPÖ politician in the video, a blonde woman who just appeared near the guy right after his father died and he was struggling with depression. So it might have been a very complicated operation, marrying off an FPÖ leader to a spy, or – maybe more likely – getting the dumb blonde into trusting the “niece of the Russian oligarch.”

    At least half the job seems to be to get Strache believe (probably through the wife of his confidante) that it truly is a niece of the oligarch. They avoided proper vetting by getting the wife of the other politician trust in her. (Or the wife herself was a part of it.)

    Getting the villa even for a few days was expensive, but probably not very much so. The secret cameras needed to be installed by professionals – not a trivial job to connect them each to electricity (batteries won’t do, it’s several hours), and not being easily noticeable.

    So I’m pretty sure it wasn’t amateurs.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    By the way, that is villa: https://www.airbnb.de/rooms/31982791?guests=1&adults=1&sl_alternate_dates_exclusion=true&source_impression_id=p3_1558262002_wzv1V3qq04ym4iTZ

    Architecturally designed new countryside villa, 8 km from Ibiza city centre.
    Swimming pool.
    Main villa: reception room, kitchen, 3 double bedrooms, 3 bathrooms + 1 toilet.
    Separate guesthouse: reception with double sofa-bed, kitchen, 1 double bedroom, 1 bathroom.
    Delightful woodland setting garden. A natural paradise.
    A welcome drink in the villa is a small tribute to thank you for choosing us Wifi.
     

    Hello, we are Gaetano and Abel, ready to welcome you with the brightness that characterizes is and to satisfy your needs. A welcome drink in the villa is a small gesture to thank you for choosing us. See you soon
     
  199. @German_reader

    They also wrote that Tal Silberstein (who was recently a campaign advisor of Orbán)
     
    Silberstein was involved in some major scandal about dirty campaigning for the Austrian Social Democrats a few years ago:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silberstein-Aff%C3%A4re
    basically something about fake Facebook sites (meant to discredit Sebastian Kurz, by implying supporters of him were Nazis).
    This Strache video is in a whole different league though imo.

    Yes, that’s what I concluded in my later comment, it was almost certainly professionals.

    I just mentioned it because it was written on major Hungarian website (and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press).

    • Replies: @German_reader

    and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press
     
    I'm not sure German mainstream media are even asking the question who's behind this video.
    More likely reaction is they'll focus on the alleged threat to "independent" media (Strache in the video spoke not just about acquiring influence over the Kronenzeitung, but also about privatizing the public broadcaster ORF - which like the public television channels in Germany is a bulwark of the anti-nationalist establishment view) and congratulate themselves on having done their duty as "investigative journalists" (lol) by unmasking the FPÖ.
  200. @reiner Tor
    Yes, that’s what I concluded in my later comment, it was almost certainly professionals.

    I just mentioned it because it was written on major Hungarian website (and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press).

    and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press

    I’m not sure German mainstream media are even asking the question who’s behind this video.
    More likely reaction is they’ll focus on the alleged threat to “independent” media (Strache in the video spoke not just about acquiring influence over the Kronenzeitung, but also about privatizing the public broadcaster ORF – which like the public television channels in Germany is a bulwark of the anti-nationalist establishment view) and congratulate themselves on having done their duty as “investigative journalists” (lol) by unmasking the FPÖ.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    It’s pretty interesting noticing how people protesting Orbán’s supposed dictatorship have zero problem with this intelligence operation destroying a political party, clearly influencing elections. Even among my family members.

    We can now hope that Austrian voters will react the exact same way they reacted to the Waldheim scandal: by re-electing him.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Welcome to independent media, home of the damn good journalists
  201. @German_reader

    Fotos vom Kern
     
    Christian Kern is the former Austrian chancellor (Social Democrats).
    German politicians meanwhile have been totally shameless with giving their opinions about Austrian internal affairs...some (like Andrea Nahles of the SPD or Robert Habeck of the Greens) have even demanded new elections in Austria.
    Merkel and her replacement Kramp-Karrenbauer also spoke gravely about the evils of right-wing populism.
    Hopefully the FPÖ will be smart enough to use that as basis for an anti-German election campaign which should motivate Austrians.
    The whole affair is really suspicious, given the likely costs involved for producing that video, I don't think it can have been done by left-wing activists or journalists.

    I’d imagine that it cost a lot to build up the persona of the oligarch-niece. She would have to appear in very expensive and very stylish clothes several times, probably with expensive and stylish jewelry, perhaps expensive modes of transport (expensive cars? limos?), and spending money carelessly (like proposing to meet for lunch in some horribly expensive restaurant, then picking up the tab), knowing that the blonde would likely notice details (as women often do), so you cannot make mistakes.

    Even if it was just a few times they met with the wife of the politician and everything was rented, it’s really difficult to imagine it costing less than several tens of thousands of dollars, probably a hundred thousand. It’d be considerably more expensive if done by professionals (like no hidden camera enthusiast installing the cameras for free), and unless it was some intelligence service, it’s hard to know how they could avoid indiscretion on the part of the many people involved.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    I also think it's likely that there's involvement of intelligence agencies.
    The head of Germany's Verfassungsschutz has criticised Austrian security services for alleged leaks of sensitive information to Russia:
    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article193726799/Erhebliche-Risiken-Deutscher-Verfassungsschutz-spricht-Oesterreich-Misstrauen-aus.html
    No idea what's behind this...but it's worth noting that the current head of the Verfassungsschutz Haldenwang replaced the former head Maaßen, who had to leave last year for daring to criticize the fake narrative of Merkel and other politicians about alleged "pogroms" in Chemnitz. Haldenwang is seen by many as an instrument of the CDU to crush the AfD (he made it public that parts of the AfD are already under observation by the Verfassungsschutz).
    , @Mitleser

    At one point Strache seems to understand that the whole thing is a setup. But his right hand man calms him down and vouches for the "Russian". The sting ends with Strache and his companion leaving the place. The never again see the "Russian" and her co-plotter. Nothing they talked about will ever come to fruition.
     
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/why-the-takedown-of-christian-strache-will-strengthen-the-right.html

    Goddamnit, Gudenus!
  202. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    I just googled “the most evil Game of Thrones character,”
     
    iirc Ramsay Bolton is some sick pervert who rapes women and then has them mauled to death by vicious dogs.
    It's the kind of stuff that is supposed to make GoT "dark", "gritty", "realistic" etc. (which seems rather dubious to me).

    He also flays his enemies alive, including those who surrender to them. Murders hostages. Castrates a hostage. Basically evil for the sake of the evil. Not one of their more nuanced characters (there is usually some logic to when and how a character chooses to be cruel; Ramsay, Prince Joffrey and arguably The Mountain are exceptions to this general rule).

  203. @reiner Tor
    So the Social Democratic leader is implicated as a paedophile, while Kurz doesn’t look very good either.

    It’s obvious that this was orchestrated by someone outside the Austrian power structure.

    Apparently the woman was introduced into him through the wife of the other FPÖ politician in the video, a blonde woman who just appeared near the guy right after his father died and he was struggling with depression. So it might have been a very complicated operation, marrying off an FPÖ leader to a spy, or - maybe more likely - getting the dumb blonde into trusting the “niece of the Russian oligarch.”

    At least half the job seems to be to get Strache believe (probably through the wife of his confidante) that it truly is a niece of the oligarch. They avoided proper vetting by getting the wife of the other politician trust in her. (Or the wife herself was a part of it.)

    Getting the villa even for a few days was expensive, but probably not very much so. The secret cameras needed to be installed by professionals - not a trivial job to connect them each to electricity (batteries won’t do, it’s several hours), and not being easily noticeable.

    So I’m pretty sure it wasn’t amateurs.

    By the way, that is villa: https://www.airbnb.de/rooms/31982791?guests=1&adults=1&sl_alternate_dates_exclusion=true&source_impression_id=p3_1558262002_wzv1V3qq04ym4iTZ

    Architecturally designed new countryside villa, 8 km from Ibiza city centre.
    Swimming pool.
    Main villa: reception room, kitchen, 3 double bedrooms, 3 bathrooms + 1 toilet.
    Separate guesthouse: reception with double sofa-bed, kitchen, 1 double bedroom, 1 bathroom.
    Delightful woodland setting garden. A natural paradise.
    A welcome drink in the villa is a small tribute to thank you for choosing us Wifi.

    Hello, we are Gaetano and Abel, ready to welcome you with the brightness that characterizes is and to satisfy your needs. A welcome drink in the villa is a small gesture to thank you for choosing us. See you soon

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Renting it for a few days would cost several thousand dollars. I guess they needed to rent it for several days to install the cameras and then remove them. Surely some investigative journalist coughed it up, and then giving it away to other journalists for free, while keeping his anonymity.
  204. @German_reader

    and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press
     
    I'm not sure German mainstream media are even asking the question who's behind this video.
    More likely reaction is they'll focus on the alleged threat to "independent" media (Strache in the video spoke not just about acquiring influence over the Kronenzeitung, but also about privatizing the public broadcaster ORF - which like the public television channels in Germany is a bulwark of the anti-nationalist establishment view) and congratulate themselves on having done their duty as "investigative journalists" (lol) by unmasking the FPÖ.

    It’s pretty interesting noticing how people protesting Orbán’s supposed dictatorship have zero problem with this intelligence operation destroying a political party, clearly influencing elections. Even among my family members.

    We can now hope that Austrian voters will react the exact same way they reacted to the Waldheim scandal: by re-electing him.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    will react the exact same way they reacted to the Waldheim scandal: by re-electing him.
     
    Strache's political career is probably over...and given how stupid he apparently is, that may be better.
    No idea how much the FPÖ as a party will suffer, I hope they can recover.
  205. @reiner Tor
    I’d imagine that it cost a lot to build up the persona of the oligarch-niece. She would have to appear in very expensive and very stylish clothes several times, probably with expensive and stylish jewelry, perhaps expensive modes of transport (expensive cars? limos?), and spending money carelessly (like proposing to meet for lunch in some horribly expensive restaurant, then picking up the tab), knowing that the blonde would likely notice details (as women often do), so you cannot make mistakes.

    Even if it was just a few times they met with the wife of the politician and everything was rented, it’s really difficult to imagine it costing less than several tens of thousands of dollars, probably a hundred thousand. It’d be considerably more expensive if done by professionals (like no hidden camera enthusiast installing the cameras for free), and unless it was some intelligence service, it’s hard to know how they could avoid indiscretion on the part of the many people involved.

    I also think it’s likely that there’s involvement of intelligence agencies.
    The head of Germany’s Verfassungsschutz has criticised Austrian security services for alleged leaks of sensitive information to Russia:
    https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article193726799/Erhebliche-Risiken-Deutscher-Verfassungsschutz-spricht-Oesterreich-Misstrauen-aus.html
    No idea what’s behind this…but it’s worth noting that the current head of the Verfassungsschutz Haldenwang replaced the former head Maaßen, who had to leave last year for daring to criticize the fake narrative of Merkel and other politicians about alleged “pogroms” in Chemnitz. Haldenwang is seen by many as an instrument of the CDU to crush the AfD (he made it public that parts of the AfD are already under observation by the Verfassungsschutz).

  206. @reiner Tor
    It’s pretty interesting noticing how people protesting Orbán’s supposed dictatorship have zero problem with this intelligence operation destroying a political party, clearly influencing elections. Even among my family members.

    We can now hope that Austrian voters will react the exact same way they reacted to the Waldheim scandal: by re-electing him.

    will react the exact same way they reacted to the Waldheim scandal: by re-electing him.

    Strache’s political career is probably over…and given how stupid he apparently is, that may be better.
    No idea how much the FPÖ as a party will suffer, I hope they can recover.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I don’t care for Strache, I barely know him. The FPÖ should survive. Or be replaced by a better party.
  207. @Mitleser
    By the way, that is villa: https://www.airbnb.de/rooms/31982791?guests=1&adults=1&sl_alternate_dates_exclusion=true&source_impression_id=p3_1558262002_wzv1V3qq04ym4iTZ

    Architecturally designed new countryside villa, 8 km from Ibiza city centre.
    Swimming pool.
    Main villa: reception room, kitchen, 3 double bedrooms, 3 bathrooms + 1 toilet.
    Separate guesthouse: reception with double sofa-bed, kitchen, 1 double bedroom, 1 bathroom.
    Delightful woodland setting garden. A natural paradise.
    A welcome drink in the villa is a small tribute to thank you for choosing us Wifi.
     

    Hello, we are Gaetano and Abel, ready to welcome you with the brightness that characterizes is and to satisfy your needs. A welcome drink in the villa is a small gesture to thank you for choosing us. See you soon
     

    Renting it for a few days would cost several thousand dollars. I guess they needed to rent it for several days to install the cameras and then remove them. Surely some investigative journalist coughed it up, and then giving it away to other journalists for free, while keeping his anonymity.

  208. @German_reader

    will react the exact same way they reacted to the Waldheim scandal: by re-electing him.
     
    Strache's political career is probably over...and given how stupid he apparently is, that may be better.
    No idea how much the FPÖ as a party will suffer, I hope they can recover.

    I don’t care for Strache, I barely know him. The FPÖ should survive. Or be replaced by a better party.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Or be replaced by a better party.
     
    They don't seem to be optimal anyway, their condemnation of the identitatians was really weak, and they also seem to have favoured all manner of economically liberal policies which weren't really in the interests of their voters.
    But of course there are similar problems with most right-wing parties.
  209. @reiner Tor
    I’d imagine that it cost a lot to build up the persona of the oligarch-niece. She would have to appear in very expensive and very stylish clothes several times, probably with expensive and stylish jewelry, perhaps expensive modes of transport (expensive cars? limos?), and spending money carelessly (like proposing to meet for lunch in some horribly expensive restaurant, then picking up the tab), knowing that the blonde would likely notice details (as women often do), so you cannot make mistakes.

    Even if it was just a few times they met with the wife of the politician and everything was rented, it’s really difficult to imagine it costing less than several tens of thousands of dollars, probably a hundred thousand. It’d be considerably more expensive if done by professionals (like no hidden camera enthusiast installing the cameras for free), and unless it was some intelligence service, it’s hard to know how they could avoid indiscretion on the part of the many people involved.

    At one point Strache seems to understand that the whole thing is a setup. But his right hand man calms him down and vouches for the “Russian”. The sting ends with Strache and his companion leaving the place. The never again see the “Russian” and her co-plotter. Nothing they talked about will ever come to fruition.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/05/why-the-takedown-of-christian-strache-will-strengthen-the-right.html

    Goddamnit, Gudenus!

  210. @reiner Tor
    I don’t care for Strache, I barely know him. The FPÖ should survive. Or be replaced by a better party.

    Or be replaced by a better party.

    They don’t seem to be optimal anyway, their condemnation of the identitatians was really weak, and they also seem to have favoured all manner of economically liberal policies which weren’t really in the interests of their voters.
    But of course there are similar problems with most right-wing parties.

    • Replies: @songbird

    their condemnation of the identitarians was really weak,
     
    I wonder if this had anything to do with the cucking - a separate op for Kurz. But, I suppose, they seem naturally shifty enough without it. Most likely state actor, I think would be Germany, which might bring up unflattering parallels. But I could also see someone like Soros being involved.
  211. @German_reader

    Or be replaced by a better party.
     
    They don't seem to be optimal anyway, their condemnation of the identitatians was really weak, and they also seem to have favoured all manner of economically liberal policies which weren't really in the interests of their voters.
    But of course there are similar problems with most right-wing parties.

    their condemnation of the identitarians was really weak,

    I wonder if this had anything to do with the cucking – a separate op for Kurz. But, I suppose, they seem naturally shifty enough without it. Most likely state actor, I think would be Germany, which might bring up unflattering parallels. But I could also see someone like Soros being involved.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    I wonder if this had anything to do with the cucking – a separate op for Kurz.
     
    It seemed more like Kurz wanted to use this business of Brenton Tarrant's donation to the identitarians as a pretext to reduce FPÖ influence in the coalition and assert more control (iirc he already tried to reduce the prerogatives of interior minister Kickl weeks ago, which would be in line with the claim that the coalition now broke up because of even more extreme demands by Kurz). Maybe he was already planning new elections...apparently someone claimed on Austrian twitter even back in January, that the ÖVP was intending to hold new elections in fall.

    Most likely state actor, I think would be Germany, which might bring up unflattering parallels.
     
    I'm afraid that could well be the case, obviously something that Austrians would object to, given memories of the Anschluss.
    In any case, the arrogance of German establishment politicians is pretty stunning...they always claim to be good Europeans, yet see nothing wrong with commenting on the internal affairs of other European countries, possibly even interfering in them.
  212. @songbird

    their condemnation of the identitarians was really weak,
     
    I wonder if this had anything to do with the cucking - a separate op for Kurz. But, I suppose, they seem naturally shifty enough without it. Most likely state actor, I think would be Germany, which might bring up unflattering parallels. But I could also see someone like Soros being involved.

    I wonder if this had anything to do with the cucking – a separate op for Kurz.

    It seemed more like Kurz wanted to use this business of Brenton Tarrant’s donation to the identitarians as a pretext to reduce FPÖ influence in the coalition and assert more control (iirc he already tried to reduce the prerogatives of interior minister Kickl weeks ago, which would be in line with the claim that the coalition now broke up because of even more extreme demands by Kurz). Maybe he was already planning new elections…apparently someone claimed on Austrian twitter even back in January, that the ÖVP was intending to hold new elections in fall.

    Most likely state actor, I think would be Germany, which might bring up unflattering parallels.

    I’m afraid that could well be the case, obviously something that Austrians would object to, given memories of the Anschluss.
    In any case, the arrogance of German establishment politicians is pretty stunning…they always claim to be good Europeans, yet see nothing wrong with commenting on the internal affairs of other European countries, possibly even interfering in them.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    There’s still some hope that Austrian voters will perceive it as a coup induced by some foreigners.
  213. @German_reader

    I wonder if this had anything to do with the cucking – a separate op for Kurz.
     
    It seemed more like Kurz wanted to use this business of Brenton Tarrant's donation to the identitarians as a pretext to reduce FPÖ influence in the coalition and assert more control (iirc he already tried to reduce the prerogatives of interior minister Kickl weeks ago, which would be in line with the claim that the coalition now broke up because of even more extreme demands by Kurz). Maybe he was already planning new elections...apparently someone claimed on Austrian twitter even back in January, that the ÖVP was intending to hold new elections in fall.

    Most likely state actor, I think would be Germany, which might bring up unflattering parallels.
     
    I'm afraid that could well be the case, obviously something that Austrians would object to, given memories of the Anschluss.
    In any case, the arrogance of German establishment politicians is pretty stunning...they always claim to be good Europeans, yet see nothing wrong with commenting on the internal affairs of other European countries, possibly even interfering in them.

    There’s still some hope that Austrian voters will perceive it as a coup induced by some foreigners.

    • Agree: German_reader
  214. @songbird
    As much as tradition appeals to me, I think Seinfeld was right when it comes to professional sports: you are rooting for laundry. It is particularly true since the international negrification of almost all sports, even national teams.

    Though I must say O'Malley probably has had a a negative influence. It seems standard practice now for owners to threaten moving unless they get gibs and many pols seem perfectly willing to comply.

    But why care about the Brooklyn Dodgers, when Brooklyn itself has been radically transformed? It seems silly.

    That saying was from the 1950s. By the 1970s, I believe that Brooklyn has pretty gotten over the Dodgers leaving. In nearby Queens, the Mets came into being, winning the 1969 and 1986 World Series. At present, there might be more fans of the Yankees in Brooklyn than Mets supporters. (I haven’t seen any polling on that particular.)

  215. I checked some Hungarian Facebook comments.

    Some people seem to think that producing a kompromat by a “democratic” intelligence service was justified, since the FPÖ had nefarious links to Russia. They obviously cannot conceive of someone being relatively pro-Russia without receiving money from them.

    The obvious point that, if they were supported by Russian intelligence services, then they wouldn’t be begging some fake oligarch-niece for support, instead they’d utilize their existing contacts, seems to elude many people.

    • Replies: @LatW
    But this kind of a thing does make one ponder (even if one is sympathetic to the Freedom Party) on a more pan-European level how safe all these Germanic investments and sell-offs are.

    Would also be interesting to have insight into how comfortable the actual FP electorate would be with what was proposed in the video. After all, it is one thing to like Putin's Russia and have a largely symbolic cooperation agreement with United Russia but quite another to have them control your media and preference them in lucrative contracts over your own compatriots or Swiss or German brethren.

    Either way, a lot of work has been blown.

    Btw Gudenus' fraternity was called Vandalia and he was called Wotan. Lol. Must be a pretty entertaining dude IRL.
    , @Gerard2

    since the FPÖ had nefarious links to Russia
     
    Seriously....WTF are "nefarious links to Russia"?
  216. I suppose that’s part of some really, really clever strategy for deescalating tensions.

    • Replies: @songbird
    If he wants to bring them to the negotiating table, he should threaten to send them our excess gays and lawyers. Or drop an African bomb on them.

    But seriously, I think it would be a good investment of tax money to hire a John McCain look-a-like to follow him around whispering McCain lines into his ear. One wonders at the psychology of it. How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.
    , @Gerard2

    I suppose that’s part of some really, really clever strategy for deescalating tensions.
     
    America doesn't lose, either way. Exploiting these situations to get a hugely increased amount of crude oil exported throughout the world ( with the supposed masses of environmental activists in green California completely silent) ...is a form of genius.

    Look at Gruzia, Moldovia and failed states like Ukraine...all American projects - but even though Ukropia has thoroughly rejected the American imposed freakshow on them in the last years - theAmericans can get away from any association without any problem.....then just appoint/control the next set of idiots. They can just use Ukropia as the prostitute it is - using it to (ridiculous) buy /suck all the coal from Pennsylvania it wants ( at inflated prices) .........and all in exchange for giving a few handshakes and smiles to the cameras in the Oval Office for the ukrop parasite to promote back at home. Very easy work

  217. LatW says:
    @reiner Tor
    I checked some Hungarian Facebook comments.

    Some people seem to think that producing a kompromat by a “democratic” intelligence service was justified, since the FPÖ had nefarious links to Russia. They obviously cannot conceive of someone being relatively pro-Russia without receiving money from them.

    The obvious point that, if they were supported by Russian intelligence services, then they wouldn’t be begging some fake oligarch-niece for support, instead they’d utilize their existing contacts, seems to elude many people.

    But this kind of a thing does make one ponder (even if one is sympathetic to the Freedom Party) on a more pan-European level how safe all these Germanic investments and sell-offs are.

    Would also be interesting to have insight into how comfortable the actual FP electorate would be with what was proposed in the video. After all, it is one thing to like Putin’s Russia and have a largely symbolic cooperation agreement with United Russia but quite another to have them control your media and preference them in lucrative contracts over your own compatriots or Swiss or German brethren.

    Either way, a lot of work has been blown.

    Btw Gudenus’ fraternity was called Vandalia and he was called Wotan. Lol. Must be a pretty entertaining dude IRL.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    As I wrote elsewhere, I understand anti-Russian feelings on the part of Balts, and I’m not sure this could be repaired. However, it’s obvious that “our” media is already not in our hands. So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands - provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction - would already be an improvement.
  218. @German_reader
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1130207891049332737

    I suppose that's part of some really, really clever strategy for deescalating tensions.

    If he wants to bring them to the negotiating table, he should threaten to send them our excess gays and lawyers. Or drop an African bomb on them.

    But seriously, I think it would be a good investment of tax money to hire a John McCain look-a-like to follow him around whispering McCain lines into his ear. One wonders at the psychology of it. How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

     

    Although de jure the US President possesses quite a bit of power, in practice I think there is very little that they can do that is outside the window of opinion approved by the deep state.

    Just about the only major change in policy that isn't merely an intensification of the status quo Trump has brought forth is the trade war with China, and even that is most likely because of a shift in opinion within the circle of permanent officials (see Chuck Schumer giving a "bipartisan" stamp of approval for the trade war).

    That is not to excuse Trump's numerous personal flaws, but it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.

    , @EastKekistani
    What did Iranians do to you so that you propose using the dreaded Afrobomb which is an WMD on them? Just kidding but this is a very frightening idea..

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki survived nukes. Yet Detroit could not survive the Afrobomb.

  219. @songbird
    If he wants to bring them to the negotiating table, he should threaten to send them our excess gays and lawyers. Or drop an African bomb on them.

    But seriously, I think it would be a good investment of tax money to hire a John McCain look-a-like to follow him around whispering McCain lines into his ear. One wonders at the psychology of it. How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

    How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

    Although de jure the US President possesses quite a bit of power, in practice I think there is very little that they can do that is outside the window of opinion approved by the deep state.

    Just about the only major change in policy that isn’t merely an intensification of the status quo Trump has brought forth is the trade war with China, and even that is most likely because of a shift in opinion within the circle of permanent officials (see Chuck Schumer giving a “bipartisan” stamp of approval for the trade war).

    That is not to excuse Trump’s numerous personal flaws, but it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    You're giving Trump far too much of a pass, this whole "Deep state" business is reaching "If only the Führer knew" levels of ridiculousness - if there were some unchanging "Deep state" behind Iran policy, how the hell did Obama manage to bring about the nuclear agreement which Trump wants to wreck? No, the fault is with Trump, the retarded version of American "nationalism" he apparently believes in, and with his ethnocentric Jewish relatives and donors. Nobody forced Trump into a close relationship with nutty hardline Zionists like "let's drop a nuke in Iran as a negotiating tactic" Sheldon Adelson or "Iran is the devil" Bernard Marcus, nobody forced him to hire John Bolton of all people. These were his personal decisions, someone like Pat Buchanan would never have done it.
    , @songbird
    He is supposedly going to try to use the Insurrection Act to deport illegals. Pretty legally sound on paper, but I doubt anything will actually come of it. Previously used during the LA Riots (Bush 41) and to desegregate schools under Eisenhower.

    it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.
     
    I don't think Buchanan could have done much with Congress, let alone the Deep State. Maybe, if he ran earlier, but I suppose he was up against the Republican establishment. I'm sure he would have won, if he was the candidate in '88.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Chuck Schumer has long been a protectionist.

    In the early 2000s he and Paul Craig Roberts (yes, that PCR) co-wrote an op-ed in the prestige media (don't recall if it was the Journal or the NYT) denouncing "free trade" and predicting dire consequences for the American economy.

    I agree with you otherwise. Marco Rubio blurting out in a hearing that perhaps America needs an industrial policy to compete with "Chinese state capitalism" was very telling.
  220. @Hyperborean

    How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

     

    Although de jure the US President possesses quite a bit of power, in practice I think there is very little that they can do that is outside the window of opinion approved by the deep state.

    Just about the only major change in policy that isn't merely an intensification of the status quo Trump has brought forth is the trade war with China, and even that is most likely because of a shift in opinion within the circle of permanent officials (see Chuck Schumer giving a "bipartisan" stamp of approval for the trade war).

    That is not to excuse Trump's numerous personal flaws, but it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.

    You’re giving Trump far too much of a pass, this whole “Deep state” business is reaching “If only the Führer knew” levels of ridiculousness – if there were some unchanging “Deep state” behind Iran policy, how the hell did Obama manage to bring about the nuclear agreement which Trump wants to wreck? No, the fault is with Trump, the retarded version of American “nationalism” he apparently believes in, and with his ethnocentric Jewish relatives and donors. Nobody forced Trump into a close relationship with nutty hardline Zionists like “let’s drop a nuke in Iran as a negotiating tactic” Sheldon Adelson or “Iran is the devil” Bernard Marcus, nobody forced him to hire John Bolton of all people. These were his personal decisions, someone like Pat Buchanan would never have done it.

    • Agree: for-the-record, dfordoom
  221. @Hyperborean

    How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

     

    Although de jure the US President possesses quite a bit of power, in practice I think there is very little that they can do that is outside the window of opinion approved by the deep state.

    Just about the only major change in policy that isn't merely an intensification of the status quo Trump has brought forth is the trade war with China, and even that is most likely because of a shift in opinion within the circle of permanent officials (see Chuck Schumer giving a "bipartisan" stamp of approval for the trade war).

    That is not to excuse Trump's numerous personal flaws, but it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.

    He is supposedly going to try to use the Insurrection Act to deport illegals. Pretty legally sound on paper, but I doubt anything will actually come of it. Previously used during the LA Riots (Bush 41) and to desegregate schools under Eisenhower.

    it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.

    I don’t think Buchanan could have done much with Congress, let alone the Deep State. Maybe, if he ran earlier, but I suppose he was up against the Republican establishment. I’m sure he would have won, if he was the candidate in ’88.

  222. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    There are is so much contradictory information out there on Iran it’s difficult to know what is what. Trump tweets out these threats, and yet the media reports he is opposed to war and angered by his staff members who keep agitating for it? Who even supports a war with Iran besides Bolton? Most of the neocons have shifted into the “Never Trump” camp, and from what I can tell they are opposed to this war. Certainly the left opposes it.

    My strong suspicion is that nothing will happen, and that Trump is being his usual disjointed self. Iran will be invaded the same day Hillary Clinton is remanded to federal prison.

  223. @songbird
    If he wants to bring them to the negotiating table, he should threaten to send them our excess gays and lawyers. Or drop an African bomb on them.

    But seriously, I think it would be a good investment of tax money to hire a John McCain look-a-like to follow him around whispering McCain lines into his ear. One wonders at the psychology of it. How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

    What did Iranians do to you so that you propose using the dreaded Afrobomb which is an WMD on them? Just kidding but this is a very frightening idea..

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki survived nukes. Yet Detroit could not survive the Afrobomb.

    • Replies: @songbird
    And after the period of fallout, the slight added radiation had a hormetic effect on health. Is there a hormetic level of blacks? A small number seem to be the bridgehead. It is like getting an x-ray and then having an A-bomb dropped on you, in consequence.

    Speaking of nukes, I have wondered if Detroit is still targeted. I imagine so, from a legacy standpoint of people not wanting to rock the boat. But what would make strategic sense? I don't know - but if I were the enemy, I'd probably leave it intact.
  224. @EastKekistani
    What did Iranians do to you so that you propose using the dreaded Afrobomb which is an WMD on them? Just kidding but this is a very frightening idea..

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki survived nukes. Yet Detroit could not survive the Afrobomb.

    And after the period of fallout, the slight added radiation had a hormetic effect on health. Is there a hormetic level of blacks? A small number seem to be the bridgehead. It is like getting an x-ray and then having an A-bomb dropped on you, in consequence.

    Speaking of nukes, I have wondered if Detroit is still targeted. I imagine so, from a legacy standpoint of people not wanting to rock the boat. But what would make strategic sense? I don’t know – but if I were the enemy, I’d probably leave it intact.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    If I were Putin or Xi I would not have put any Negroid city except for Washington, DC on the target list for its value is negative. That's for sure. No matter who I fight against I always antagonize Negroids the most so that my enemies will ally with and then get harmed by them. This applies everywhere.

    I don't think there is a hormetic level of blacks lol. Even Okinawa has too many of them. Just like benzene any dose of blacks is unsafe.

  225. @songbird
    And after the period of fallout, the slight added radiation had a hormetic effect on health. Is there a hormetic level of blacks? A small number seem to be the bridgehead. It is like getting an x-ray and then having an A-bomb dropped on you, in consequence.

    Speaking of nukes, I have wondered if Detroit is still targeted. I imagine so, from a legacy standpoint of people not wanting to rock the boat. But what would make strategic sense? I don't know - but if I were the enemy, I'd probably leave it intact.

    If I were Putin or Xi I would not have put any Negroid city except for Washington, DC on the target list for its value is negative. That’s for sure. No matter who I fight against I always antagonize Negroids the most so that my enemies will ally with and then get harmed by them. This applies everywhere.

    I don’t think there is a hormetic level of blacks lol. Even Okinawa has too many of them. Just like benzene any dose of blacks is unsafe.

  226. @Thorfinnsson
    This is not strictly true.

    Here for instance is a West Asian admixture map:

    https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif

    Substantial West Asian admixture in the Mezzogiorno and the Balkans for instance, modest in the rest of Europe, and very little in Scandinavia. None at all among Finnic, Baltic, and forest-Slav populations.

    Haplogroup map:

    http://roundtripticket.me/media/ancient-mediterranean-and-europe-romangreek-ethnicy-physical-new-genetic-map-of-europe.jpg

    It should not be surprising that people from Cyprus are more closely related to people from the Levant than they are to people from the British isles.

    Yet Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    Based on what?

    Somebody give me a definition of who is and is not white and why they draw the line where it is.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Mostly: descendants of European Christians are white, others not. Usually Albanians (who are theoretically majority Muslims, though relatively recent converts, at least a significant minority is Christian, and most are atheists or weak Muslims) and Bosniaks (similar to Albanians except for the Christian part) are given a pass. Occasionally Volga Tatars, too. (I personally don’t care about these either way.)

    The line is arbitrary (Turks are genetically close to Greeks, etc.) but any line is going to be arbitrary. Thorfinnsson would exclude Balkan peoples, but I don’t like it: for example adding Greeks gives us a great glorious history, and I’d think that Balkan peoples are similar enough (and like Hungarians, their national mythology contains having been a bulwark against the Muslim Turks), and they are small enough not to matter.
    , @LondonBob
    The wogs begin at Calais.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Based on people generally not considering anyone from the Middle East to be white.

    The line is probably drawn there because the Middle East is considered Islamic.
  227. @LatW
    But this kind of a thing does make one ponder (even if one is sympathetic to the Freedom Party) on a more pan-European level how safe all these Germanic investments and sell-offs are.

    Would also be interesting to have insight into how comfortable the actual FP electorate would be with what was proposed in the video. After all, it is one thing to like Putin's Russia and have a largely symbolic cooperation agreement with United Russia but quite another to have them control your media and preference them in lucrative contracts over your own compatriots or Swiss or German brethren.

    Either way, a lot of work has been blown.

    Btw Gudenus' fraternity was called Vandalia and he was called Wotan. Lol. Must be a pretty entertaining dude IRL.

    As I wrote elsewhere, I understand anti-Russian feelings on the part of Balts, and I’m not sure this could be repaired. However, it’s obvious that “our” media is already not in our hands. So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands – provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction – would already be an improvement.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands – provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction
     
    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian "Nazis"?). I don't watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and "antiracist".
    I'm against the current confrontation with Russia and don't regard it as being in the genuine interests of EU countries (not even those of Poland or the Baltic states), but among parts of the European right there is too much uncritical pro-Russia sentiment (certainly the case with Germany's AfD, some of whom seem eager to merely transfer the slavish devotion to America, which is typical of many Germans, to Russia). Hopes that Putin will be our saviour seem like really misguided wishful thinking to me. I don't see the point of contacts like those discussed in the Strache video, even many potential right-wing voters will always regard something like this as treasonous, a dumb idea imo.
  228. @Logan
    Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    Based on what?

    Somebody give me a definition of who is and is not white and why they draw the line where it is.

    Mostly: descendants of European Christians are white, others not. Usually Albanians (who are theoretically majority Muslims, though relatively recent converts, at least a significant minority is Christian, and most are atheists or weak Muslims) and Bosniaks (similar to Albanians except for the Christian part) are given a pass. Occasionally Volga Tatars, too. (I personally don’t care about these either way.)

    The line is arbitrary (Turks are genetically close to Greeks, etc.) but any line is going to be arbitrary. Thorfinnsson would exclude Balkan peoples, but I don’t like it: for example adding Greeks gives us a great glorious history, and I’d think that Balkan peoples are similar enough (and like Hungarians, their national mythology contains having been a bulwark against the Muslim Turks), and they are small enough not to matter.

  229. @Logan
    Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    Based on what?

    Somebody give me a definition of who is and is not white and why they draw the line where it is.

    The wogs begin at Calais.

    • LOL: songbird
  230. @reiner Tor
    As I wrote elsewhere, I understand anti-Russian feelings on the part of Balts, and I’m not sure this could be repaired. However, it’s obvious that “our” media is already not in our hands. So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands - provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction - would already be an improvement.

    So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands – provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction

    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian “Nazis”?). I don’t watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and “antiracist”.
    I’m against the current confrontation with Russia and don’t regard it as being in the genuine interests of EU countries (not even those of Poland or the Baltic states), but among parts of the European right there is too much uncritical pro-Russia sentiment (certainly the case with Germany’s AfD, some of whom seem eager to merely transfer the slavish devotion to America, which is typical of many Germans, to Russia). Hopes that Putin will be our saviour seem like really misguided wishful thinking to me. I don’t see the point of contacts like those discussed in the Strache video, even many potential right-wing voters will always regard something like this as treasonous, a dumb idea imo.

    • Replies: @Mitleser

    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian “Nazis”?).
     
    Depends on their relations with the anti-immigrantion side.
    , @AP

    I don’t watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and “antiracist”.
     
    RT in the USA was supporting Black Lives Matter:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/444567-music-black-lives-matter/

    , @reiner Tor
    That much is true, but we were talking about a hypothetical scenario: LatW was asking if it'd be acceptable for FPÖ voters or European nationalists in general if the Austrian press became pro-FPÖ by being bought up by an FPÖ-friendly Russian oligarch. And my answer was that it'd be an improvement.
  231. @Dmitry

    white skin
     
    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both both "too high UV" in the summer, and "too low UV" in the winter, and tans between the two depending on the season.

    Georgia has a mix of minority white (Northern appearing people) and brown ( 30-40 degrees people).

    But in Armenia it's clearly more uniform brown (i.e. 30-40 degree latitude appearance).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmI8GgRWHQ


    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it’s just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic “proximity” so it is better to talk about it, not about race.

     

    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.

    Genetically, they are native to the region.
    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

    https://i.imgur.com/GjCPyIy.jpg


    External appearance just matches the geographical position of the country Iran, as well as its latitude range.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVmtyw9pd4

    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both

    I often see Armenians in St. Petersburg, where is very little sun. Armenians have black hair and black eyes, but their skin is white. In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes “brown” even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)

    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.
    Genetically, they are native to the region.

    I guess I don’t speak English well. Armenians and Iranians belong to the “big” race which in Russian is called “Europeids” and in English has a stupid name the “Caucasoids”. It’s just a scientific fact. This race is indigenous to both Europe and Western Asia (and also to North Africa)

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala

    In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes “brown” even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)
     
    I don't see a lot of Armenians but there are Turks, Kurds, Iranians in Helsinki and there is no way most of Finns or Estonians could reach their average skin color by tanning. My family on my father's side is dark haired (by Finn standards) but we just burn in the sun and there's no way we could tan so much that we would have skin like the Turks.

    There are a lot of northerners that can't tan much and even some that really can't tan at all (the red hair gene frequently pushes people into this level of paleness).
    , @Dmitry

    Armenians have black hair and black eyes, but their skin is white.
     
    Terms "white", "brown", "black", "yellow" emerged as colloquial reference to coloration of skin and hair of different races - originally from travelers and explorers.

    For example, Japanese people are not actually "yellow" - it's emerged as a colloquial reference to East Asian peoples' melanin level (when European travellers first saw Chinese/Japanese - who were probably outside laborers in the summer).

    However, it all based on objective reality of melanin production, and the inherited genes for this.

    In populations from 23° and 46° latitude - skin pigmentation usually can change depending on the season of the year.

    -

    As for caucasians -

    From the colouration, Georgians clearly include a mix of people from different latitude origins.

    Armenians' colour always appear more uniformly representative of people from 30°- 40° latitude.

    You can look at children of Pushkin school in Armenia in the winter

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCzUUPa8dXc


    By comparison, with schools in Tbilisi - the Georgian race always looks like they have a mix of different colours (people from different latitudes).


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALxX0t_I_I


    I guess I don’t speak English well. Armenians and Iranians belong to the “big” race which in Russian is called “Europeids” and in English has a stupid name the “Caucasoids”. It’s just a scientific fact. This race is indigenous to both Europe and Western Asia (and also to North Africa).
     
    I know and this is from 18th century German taxonomy. I don't understand why classifying the world into 5 races, with e.g. (placing Indians and Arabs together with Europeans) is useful.

    If we assume that the “white” is the owners of the Northern appearance, then the majority of the population of Europe is not white
     
    If we're speaking clearly, white refers to colouration levels. While European, refers to nationalities with origin of thousands of years in Europe.

    In general, these two categories can overlap, but there are some exceptions. (And of course, in the Ancient World, this division did not make as much sense as in the modern world - e.g. when Romans did not notice that Carthaginians looked different to them, but thought that Germans looked strange). .

  232. @Dmitry

    white skin
     
    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both both "too high UV" in the summer, and "too low UV" in the winter, and tans between the two depending on the season.

    Georgia has a mix of minority white (Northern appearing people) and brown ( 30-40 degrees people).

    But in Armenia it's clearly more uniform brown (i.e. 30-40 degree latitude appearance).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulmI8GgRWHQ


    Armenians and Persians are certainly representatives of the European race, it’s just a scientific fact. If we are talking about genetic “proximity” so it is better to talk about it, not about race.

     

    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.

    Genetically, they are native to the region.
    https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

    https://i.imgur.com/GjCPyIy.jpg


    External appearance just matches the geographical position of the country Iran, as well as its latitude range.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVmtyw9pd4

    Georgia has a mix of minority white (Northern appearing people)

    As far as I know “white” is representative of europides (Caucasian) race with white skin (that is, southern and Northern Europeans are white). If we assume that the “white” is the owners of the Northern appearance, then the majority of the population of Europe is not white

  233. @German_reader

    So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands – provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction
     
    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian "Nazis"?). I don't watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and "antiracist".
    I'm against the current confrontation with Russia and don't regard it as being in the genuine interests of EU countries (not even those of Poland or the Baltic states), but among parts of the European right there is too much uncritical pro-Russia sentiment (certainly the case with Germany's AfD, some of whom seem eager to merely transfer the slavish devotion to America, which is typical of many Germans, to Russia). Hopes that Putin will be our saviour seem like really misguided wishful thinking to me. I don't see the point of contacts like those discussed in the Strache video, even many potential right-wing voters will always regard something like this as treasonous, a dumb idea imo.

    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian “Nazis”?).

    Depends on their relations with the anti-immigrantion side.

  234. @German_reader

    So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands – provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction
     
    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian "Nazis"?). I don't watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and "antiracist".
    I'm against the current confrontation with Russia and don't regard it as being in the genuine interests of EU countries (not even those of Poland or the Baltic states), but among parts of the European right there is too much uncritical pro-Russia sentiment (certainly the case with Germany's AfD, some of whom seem eager to merely transfer the slavish devotion to America, which is typical of many Germans, to Russia). Hopes that Putin will be our saviour seem like really misguided wishful thinking to me. I don't see the point of contacts like those discussed in the Strache video, even many potential right-wing voters will always regard something like this as treasonous, a dumb idea imo.

    I don’t watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and “antiracist”.

    RT in the USA was supporting Black Lives Matter:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/444567-music-black-lives-matter/

    • Replies: @Gerard2

    RT in the USA was supporting Black Lives Matter:
     
    LOL....remind me of the current status of "Ukraine Today" ? Did it last 12 minutes of 14?
    The failed f**ktard Banderatard community in North America proven too poor, remote and lazy to bother to watch this dogsh*t. Probably because they themselves know there is no such thing as "Ukraine"....just a form of anti-Russia backed up by polish dickheads and American money.

    To be fair, the fate of "Ukraine Today" is no less of a failure then the flea-brained UkroNazi idea of promoting Kyiv instead of Kiev(hahahah) ....something even the most supposedly "pro"-Ukraine luntics in western politics are too disinterested to do. 'Kyiv" has in fact gone the way of the Dodo.

    As for RT itself, a million times better than any ukrop channel...but still utter shit. High degree of control from liberasts...and I am pretty sure that numerous BBC Russia/Nastoryaschi Vremya/Ekho idiot journalists have worked there
    , @reiner Tor
    RT is run by leftists. Russia doesn't have an ideology or a coherent propaganda, and what they do have is pretty lame and their propaganda points often contradict one another (which makes the "Russian meddling" accusations all the more ridiculous), so it's pretty unlikely that the hypothetical question discussed with LatW (about Strache's deal with the oligarch being real) could come true. Look at The Independent, which is owned by a Russian oligarch, and it's not even properly pro-Russian at all, it's almost as anti-Russian as the rest of the British press.
  235. @melanf

    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both
     
    I often see Armenians in St. Petersburg, where is very little sun. Armenians have black hair and black eyes, but their skin is white. In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes "brown" even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)


    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.
    Genetically, they are native to the region.
     
    I guess I don't speak English well. Armenians and Iranians belong to the "big" race which in Russian is called "Europeids" and in English has a stupid name the "Caucasoids". It's just a scientific fact. This race is indigenous to both Europe and Western Asia (and also to North Africa)

    In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes “brown” even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)

    I don’t see a lot of Armenians but there are Turks, Kurds, Iranians in Helsinki and there is no way most of Finns or Estonians could reach their average skin color by tanning. My family on my father’s side is dark haired (by Finn standards) but we just burn in the sun and there’s no way we could tan so much that we would have skin like the Turks.

    There are a lot of northerners that can’t tan much and even some that really can’t tan at all (the red hair gene frequently pushes people into this level of paleness).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    we just burn in the sun
     
    I am a lot like that (very white skin), but in recent years I started to sunbathe around March-April, and now I can spend at least 45 minutes under the Sun at noon during the summer without any problems. I'm wondering if I spent more time working the fields (as my ancestors had done) in Central Europe, I'd probably go shirtless at least a few days already in March (several hours at a time), maybe 10 days in April, 20 days or more in May (not this year, obviously, but usually it's pretty sunny), and then my skin would withstand it. Or else, maybe I'd be careful and only go shirtless for a few hours between April and late August (like one hour shirtless, another hour in a shirt, etc.) to avoid sunburn. But I'm pretty sure I would never be really brown-skinned, it's a combination of freckles and and a reddish-brown color, but it certainly survives 45 minutes in the summer around noon, so it's pretty good. My face and arms can survive way more, like maybe 1.5 hours (if I keep moving, i.e. not all the time sunbathing face to the sun, rather just walking under the sun, if I occasionally move to the shades, it can be at least 2 hours), since they're exposed all the time. "All the time" is misleading, since - quite unhealthily - I spend a lot of time in an office in front of a computer. So probably the skin on my face would be better, too.
    , @melanf

    My family on my father’s side is dark haired (by Finn standards) but we just burn in the sun and there’s no way we could tan so much that we would have skin like the Turks.
     
    compare:

    https://d.radikal.ru/d30/1905/85/8c1b11a7d786.jpg

    Meanwhile, the first pictures - aboriginal of Australia (Nguluma)
    https://a.radikal.ru/a24/1812/99/ed3ee90d1b35.jpg
    And in the second photo aboriginal of Sweden
    https://d.radikal.ru/d14/1905/db/94526fbe8107.jpg


    " just burn in the sun"
     
    - such people exist (my wife has such pale skin not able to tan), but such people even in Scandinavia are a minority

    I don’t see a lot of Armenians but there are Turks, Kurds, Iranians in Helsinki and there is no way most of Finns or Estonians could reach their average skin color
     
    Of course, the skin color of Armenians (on average) is slightly darker than that of Finns (under the same conditions), but the skin of Armenians is undoubtedly "white".

    http://armenian-church.org/images/sochelnik1/12717599_1592355777751995_8028737103758900469_n.jpg

  236. I want to thank the writers of Game of Thrones for proving once and for all that the ending to The Sopranos was not as bad as people said.

    Long live The Sopranos, the best TV series ever.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    I loved the Sopranos' ending. The whole last series was magnificent, after coming to love Tony we were gently reminded that he is a bad guy and that he got his just desserts.
  237. @reiner Tor
    I checked some Hungarian Facebook comments.

    Some people seem to think that producing a kompromat by a “democratic” intelligence service was justified, since the FPÖ had nefarious links to Russia. They obviously cannot conceive of someone being relatively pro-Russia without receiving money from them.

    The obvious point that, if they were supported by Russian intelligence services, then they wouldn’t be begging some fake oligarch-niece for support, instead they’d utilize their existing contacts, seems to elude many people.

    since the FPÖ had nefarious links to Russia

    Seriously….WTF are “nefarious links to Russia”?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Ask them, not me.
  238. ‘This will finally stop them from calling us Nazis’

    But the resolution that was ultimately approved wasn’t strong enough for some. Arguing on behalf of the AfD motion, MP Jurgen Braun belligerently declared his party “Israel’s one true friend in parliament,” and accused the other factions of “shying away” from making BDS illegal. “Anti-Semitism comes from the left,” he said, “and it comes from Islam.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-rowdy-german-parliament-okays-landmark-anti-bds-law-far-right-afd-wants-more/

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Cucks. Neither Israel nor its friends in Germany will reciprocate, and they'll be called Nazis anyway.
    , @German_reader
    I think I already mentioned it, but the Israeli ambassador Jeremy Issacharoff has accused AfD of nostalgia for the Nazi era and considers them a grave threat to German democracy.
    A large part of AfD is unfortunately pretty stupid.
  239. @AP

    I don’t watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and “antiracist”.
     
    RT in the USA was supporting Black Lives Matter:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/444567-music-black-lives-matter/

    RT in the USA was supporting Black Lives Matter:

    LOL….remind me of the current status of “Ukraine Today” ? Did it last 12 minutes of 14?
    The failed f**ktard Banderatard community in North America proven too poor, remote and lazy to bother to watch this dogsh*t. Probably because they themselves know there is no such thing as “Ukraine”….just a form of anti-Russia backed up by polish dickheads and American money.

    To be fair, the fate of “Ukraine Today” is no less of a failure then the flea-brained UkroNazi idea of promoting Kyiv instead of Kiev(hahahah) ….something even the most supposedly “pro”-Ukraine luntics in western politics are too disinterested to do. ‘Kyiv” has in fact gone the way of the Dodo.

    As for RT itself, a million times better than any ukrop channel…but still utter shit. High degree of control from liberasts…and I am pretty sure that numerous BBC Russia/Nastoryaschi Vremya/Ekho idiot journalists have worked there

  240. @German_reader

    So for most nationalists, having it in Russian hands – provided that they steer it in an anti-immigration direction
     
    Is there really any reason to believe though that Russian-controlled media would be against mass immigration (instead of merely regaling us with stories about Baltic and Ukrainian "Nazis"?). I don't watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and "antiracist".
    I'm against the current confrontation with Russia and don't regard it as being in the genuine interests of EU countries (not even those of Poland or the Baltic states), but among parts of the European right there is too much uncritical pro-Russia sentiment (certainly the case with Germany's AfD, some of whom seem eager to merely transfer the slavish devotion to America, which is typical of many Germans, to Russia). Hopes that Putin will be our saviour seem like really misguided wishful thinking to me. I don't see the point of contacts like those discussed in the Strache video, even many potential right-wing voters will always regard something like this as treasonous, a dumb idea imo.

    That much is true, but we were talking about a hypothetical scenario: LatW was asking if it’d be acceptable for FPÖ voters or European nationalists in general if the Austrian press became pro-FPÖ by being bought up by an FPÖ-friendly Russian oligarch. And my answer was that it’d be an improvement.

    • Replies: @LatW
    FP is a relatively popular party with solid roots so it's a bit surprising that they would look to foreigners for media support. For FP it may not be possible to do what Orban did with the help of his rich friend (what liberals call "state capture"), but surely there must be some resources. This should arise organically from within.

    Anyway, Strache probably didn't even mean it, he certainly doesn't seem very cunning. I watched his raps from a few years back, funny and tacky. He's just a kind, simple guy who wants to keep his culture.

    Most Russian capital is actually benign but in the Baltics there are areas where it shouldn't be allowed (media, real estate around airports, along the border, etc, this is something that some Germans have traditionally been interested in). As to media, neither the Russians nor the Bonniers of this world should have control.
  241. @Kent Nationalist
    'This will finally stop them from calling us Nazis'

    But the resolution that was ultimately approved wasn’t strong enough for some. Arguing on behalf of the AfD motion, MP Jurgen Braun belligerently declared his party “Israel’s one true friend in parliament,” and accused the other factions of “shying away” from making BDS illegal. “Anti-Semitism comes from the left,” he said, “and it comes from Islam.”

     

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-rowdy-german-parliament-okays-landmark-anti-bds-law-far-right-afd-wants-more/

    Cucks. Neither Israel nor its friends in Germany will reciprocate, and they’ll be called Nazis anyway.

  242. @Gerard2

    since the FPÖ had nefarious links to Russia
     
    Seriously....WTF are "nefarious links to Russia"?

    Ask them, not me.

  243. @German_reader
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1130207891049332737

    I suppose that's part of some really, really clever strategy for deescalating tensions.

    I suppose that’s part of some really, really clever strategy for deescalating tensions.

    America doesn’t lose, either way. Exploiting these situations to get a hugely increased amount of crude oil exported throughout the world ( with the supposed masses of environmental activists in green California completely silent) …is a form of genius.

    Look at Gruzia, Moldovia and failed states like Ukraine…all American projects – but even though Ukropia has thoroughly rejected the American imposed freakshow on them in the last years – theAmericans can get away from any association without any problem…..then just appoint/control the next set of idiots. They can just use Ukropia as the prostitute it is – using it to (ridiculous) buy /suck all the coal from Pennsylvania it wants ( at inflated prices) ………and all in exchange for giving a few handshakes and smiles to the cameras in the Oval Office for the ukrop parasite to promote back at home. Very easy work

  244. @Jaakko Raipala

    In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes “brown” even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)
     
    I don't see a lot of Armenians but there are Turks, Kurds, Iranians in Helsinki and there is no way most of Finns or Estonians could reach their average skin color by tanning. My family on my father's side is dark haired (by Finn standards) but we just burn in the sun and there's no way we could tan so much that we would have skin like the Turks.

    There are a lot of northerners that can't tan much and even some that really can't tan at all (the red hair gene frequently pushes people into this level of paleness).

    we just burn in the sun

    I am a lot like that (very white skin), but in recent years I started to sunbathe around March-April, and now I can spend at least 45 minutes under the Sun at noon during the summer without any problems. I’m wondering if I spent more time working the fields (as my ancestors had done) in Central Europe, I’d probably go shirtless at least a few days already in March (several hours at a time), maybe 10 days in April, 20 days or more in May (not this year, obviously, but usually it’s pretty sunny), and then my skin would withstand it. Or else, maybe I’d be careful and only go shirtless for a few hours between April and late August (like one hour shirtless, another hour in a shirt, etc.) to avoid sunburn. But I’m pretty sure I would never be really brown-skinned, it’s a combination of freckles and and a reddish-brown color, but it certainly survives 45 minutes in the summer around noon, so it’s pretty good. My face and arms can survive way more, like maybe 1.5 hours (if I keep moving, i.e. not all the time sunbathing face to the sun, rather just walking under the sun, if I occasionally move to the shades, it can be at least 2 hours), since they’re exposed all the time. “All the time” is misleading, since – quite unhealthily – I spend a lot of time in an office in front of a computer. So probably the skin on my face would be better, too.

  245. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    I want to thank the writers of Game of Thrones for proving once and for all that the ending to The Sopranos was not as bad as people said.

    Long live The Sopranos, the best TV series ever.

    I loved the Sopranos’ ending. The whole last series was magnificent, after coming to love Tony we were gently reminded that he is a bad guy and that he got his just desserts.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    *I* also enjoyed the Sopranos' ending, but people demand unambiguous endings. Presumably since their lives are so full of ambiguity.

    Although between you and me, I think Tony got whacked by the guy in the members first hat.
  246. @AP

    I don’t watch or read Russia today, but my understanding is that much of its content is quite politically correct and “antiracist”.
     
    RT in the USA was supporting Black Lives Matter:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/444567-music-black-lives-matter/

    RT is run by leftists. Russia doesn’t have an ideology or a coherent propaganda, and what they do have is pretty lame and their propaganda points often contradict one another (which makes the “Russian meddling” accusations all the more ridiculous), so it’s pretty unlikely that the hypothetical question discussed with LatW (about Strache’s deal with the oligarch being real) could come true. Look at The Independent, which is owned by a Russian oligarch, and it’s not even properly pro-Russian at all, it’s almost as anti-Russian as the rest of the British press.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    Iran in fact has a more interesting history of sponsoring various very marginal right-wing and nationalist (i.e. antisemitic) activists in Europe, although it was much more prominent under Ahmedinijad.

    People from Farrakhan to David Duke to E Michael Jones, America's greatest geocentric intellectual, have been there and are big fans.

    , @Dmitry
    RT is just designed for undermining Western self-confidence. Or self-confidence of Western populations to their governments.

    It's ideology will be what is considered useful for this objective achieving it.

    It is monitored at a higher level by a few people from intelligence agencies, who will try to make sure it isn't completely wasting money (although obviously, it is completely wasting money and annoying Western publics).

    I would say something bad about it. But I use Spanish RT television streaming on my headphones many days - it is almost the easiest way to learn Spanish and they usually have nicer Latin American accents.
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2mtXUpAYLYJIZ2deSPhlqw

  247. @melanf

    Armenians look like latitude 30-40 degrees people, where the skin is adapted for both
     
    I often see Armenians in St. Petersburg, where is very little sun. Armenians have black hair and black eyes, but their skin is white. In subtropical conditions, the skin becomes "brown" even in Finns or Norwegians (according to this anthropologists estimate the color of the skin by areas always hidden by clothing)


    Only if you want to recategorize population of Asia, to become European.
    Genetically, they are native to the region.
     
    I guess I don't speak English well. Armenians and Iranians belong to the "big" race which in Russian is called "Europeids" and in English has a stupid name the "Caucasoids". It's just a scientific fact. This race is indigenous to both Europe and Western Asia (and also to North Africa)

    Armenians have black hair and black eyes, but their skin is white.

    Terms “white”, “brown”, “black”, “yellow” emerged as colloquial reference to coloration of skin and hair of different races – originally from travelers and explorers.

    For example, Japanese people are not actually “yellow” – it’s emerged as a colloquial reference to East Asian peoples’ melanin level (when European travellers first saw Chinese/Japanese – who were probably outside laborers in the summer).

    However, it all based on objective reality of melanin production, and the inherited genes for this.

    In populations from 23° and 46° latitude – skin pigmentation usually can change depending on the season of the year.

    As for caucasians –

    From the colouration, Georgians clearly include a mix of people from different latitude origins.

    Armenians’ colour always appear more uniformly representative of people from 30°- 40° latitude.

    You can look at children of Pushkin school in Armenia in the winter

    By comparison, with schools in Tbilisi – the Georgian race always looks like they have a mix of different colours (people from different latitudes).

    I guess I don’t speak English well. Armenians and Iranians belong to the “big” race which in Russian is called “Europeids” and in English has a stupid name the “Caucasoids”. It’s just a scientific fact. This race is indigenous to both Europe and Western Asia (and also to North Africa).

    I know and this is from 18th century German taxonomy. I don’t understand why classifying the world into 5 races, with e.g. (placing Indians and Arabs together with Europeans) is useful.

    If we assume that the “white” is the owners of the Northern appearance, then the majority of the population of Europe is not white

    If we’re speaking clearly, white refers to colouration levels. While European, refers to nationalities with origin of thousands of years in Europe.

    In general, these two categories can overlap, but there are some exceptions. (And of course, in the Ancient World, this division did not make as much sense as in the modern world – e.g. when Romans did not notice that Carthaginians looked different to them, but thought that Germans looked strange). .

    • Replies: @melanf

    I don’t understand why classifying the world into 5 races, with e.g. (placing Indians and Arabs together with Europeans) is useful.
     
    As far as I know the "big" race reflect the origin of ethnic groups. That is, the ancestors of the Norwegians separated from the ancestors of the Chinese much earlier than the ancestors of the Norwegians separated from the ancestors of the Arabs
  248. @Thorfinnsson
    1 - Propaganda is action
    2 - Many of us have traveled a similar path
    3 - What traditional societies in the east? Did he, unknown to me, publish Bang Saudi Arabia?

    Even if it turns out Roosh's godpill is a bunch of b.s. his work has still been valuable. Many people entered our world as a result of a simple quest to get laid and discovering the true about men and women.

    And really, trying to get laid certainly isn't as despicable as Homintern. In fact it's now apparently rape culture.

    Roosh is an idiot with an extreme Madonna-whore complex, nothing more. The idea that he has done anything of value by crusading to turn male virgins into whoremongers is laughable.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    What do you think of the recently-purged Chateau Heartiste?
  249. @reiner Tor
    RT is run by leftists. Russia doesn't have an ideology or a coherent propaganda, and what they do have is pretty lame and their propaganda points often contradict one another (which makes the "Russian meddling" accusations all the more ridiculous), so it's pretty unlikely that the hypothetical question discussed with LatW (about Strache's deal with the oligarch being real) could come true. Look at The Independent, which is owned by a Russian oligarch, and it's not even properly pro-Russian at all, it's almost as anti-Russian as the rest of the British press.

    Iran in fact has a more interesting history of sponsoring various very marginal right-wing and nationalist (i.e. antisemitic) activists in Europe, although it was much more prominent under Ahmedinijad.

    People from Farrakhan to David Duke to E Michael Jones, America’s greatest geocentric intellectual, have been there and are big fans.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    I was not aware that E. Michael Jones is a geocentrist.

    A lot of people are talking about him after his interview with Owen Benjamin, but 1) I was familiar with him before that and 2) I did not watch the Benjamin interview.

    Can you refer me to a citation for that?

    My impression was that Robert Sungenis was America's "greatest" geocentrist intellectual.
  250. @reiner Tor
    RT is run by leftists. Russia doesn't have an ideology or a coherent propaganda, and what they do have is pretty lame and their propaganda points often contradict one another (which makes the "Russian meddling" accusations all the more ridiculous), so it's pretty unlikely that the hypothetical question discussed with LatW (about Strache's deal with the oligarch being real) could come true. Look at The Independent, which is owned by a Russian oligarch, and it's not even properly pro-Russian at all, it's almost as anti-Russian as the rest of the British press.

    RT is just designed for undermining Western self-confidence. Or self-confidence of Western populations to their governments.

    It’s ideology will be what is considered useful for this objective achieving it.

    It is monitored at a higher level by a few people from intelligence agencies, who will try to make sure it isn’t completely wasting money (although obviously, it is completely wasting money and annoying Western publics).

    I would say something bad about it. But I use Spanish RT television streaming on my headphones many days – it is almost the easiest way to learn Spanish and they usually have nicer Latin American accents.
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2mtXUpAYLYJIZ2deSPhlqw

  251. @LondonBob
    I loved the Sopranos' ending. The whole last series was magnificent, after coming to love Tony we were gently reminded that he is a bad guy and that he got his just desserts.

    *I* also enjoyed the Sopranos’ ending, but people demand unambiguous endings. Presumably since their lives are so full of ambiguity.

    Although between you and me, I think Tony got whacked by the guy in the members first hat.

  252. @Denis
    Roosh is an idiot with an extreme Madonna-whore complex, nothing more. The idea that he has done anything of value by crusading to turn male virgins into whoremongers is laughable.

    What do you think of the recently-purged Chateau Heartiste?

    • Replies: @Denis
    I think pick-up artists in general are pretty retarded.
  253. @Kent Nationalist
    Iran in fact has a more interesting history of sponsoring various very marginal right-wing and nationalist (i.e. antisemitic) activists in Europe, although it was much more prominent under Ahmedinijad.

    People from Farrakhan to David Duke to E Michael Jones, America's greatest geocentric intellectual, have been there and are big fans.

    I was not aware that E. Michael Jones is a geocentrist.

    A lot of people are talking about him after his interview with Owen Benjamin, but 1) I was familiar with him before that and 2) I did not watch the Benjamin interview.

    Can you refer me to a citation for that?

    My impression was that Robert Sungenis was America’s “greatest” geocentrist intellectual.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaP1rDOiyRE

    I have not watched the full interview either. I do like him a lot though and some of his books are quite interesting.
  254. @AP

    Anyone who takes a look at STD rates in Russia or Ukraine will disabuse themselves of the notion that Eastern European women are less promiscuous. They are also literally whored out all over the globe
     
    HIV rate in Ukraine ( a proxy for STDs in general) varies by region:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Registered_HIV_prevalence_in_Ukraine.jpg/1280px-Registered_HIV_prevalence_in_Ukraine.jpg

    Also, rate in Poland, Slovakia is very low:

    http://www.aidsmap.com/Nearly-two-thirds-of-European-HIV-cases-are-now-in-Russia/page/3109895/

    LOL….that has nothing to do with promiscuity you thick cr***n. Lvov isn’t know as the sex capital of Europe because of the good morals of the female population you dimwit!

    Places where there is more people, more urbanisation, more jobs, more job prospects, more hospitals, more roads, more housing will also have more HIV cases – particularly up against the North Caucasus of Europe ( Galicia). It has absolutely nothing to do with promiscuity . Not least because also the number of people who have moved from Western Ukraine to Novorossiya/Kiev far outweighs the number who have gone from Donbass or the whole of Novorossiya to western Ukraine over the last 25 years. That would be the same if comparing New York to Montana you dumbass

    A. The map doesn’t include Kiev, which would be the most important measure for the whole thing you idiot.

    B. Khlmenitsky Oblast results pretty much contradict your nonsense ( as does Kharkov , one of the most Russian places ever……and the low results in Zakarpattia in the west but not actually a “western Ukrainian” type of place)

    C. Going back to the obvious fact that the places where more people aspire to live there will be more disease possible, you can see that it gets worse – with the failed revolution of “dignity” probably bringing to power less “western Ukrainians” than before…….the head of the Consitutional Court ( in this freakshow will probably be more important a job than ever before) is a woman from Donetsk – a Yanukovich appointee! Think how bad it is, that with all this Banderastanisation/US funded liberasts/Svidomism, on the main thing they go on about (rule of law/corruption) a Donetsk lady, from the Yanukovich side of things is now the top legal authority in the country! What’s unusual is that now, she will be the only high profile position in Ukraine in which the corresponding position in Russia is not also filled by a woman ( such as head of central bank, Education Minister, Health Minister etc)
    So to go with all the tonnes of science, mathematics, engineering, artists, writers, composers, singers, chess players,sports-stars,businessmen and so on from Donbass or the whole Novorossiya area that dwarf those from Galicia and /or the whole west Ukrainian area……can be added top legal position as well as President of course

    • Replies: @Gerard2
    western Ukraine morals hahaha:

    https://life.ru/t/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8/1216372/laifu_stali_izviestny_dietali_zadierzhaniia_matieri_brosivshiei_malyshku_v_poliklinikie
    , @AP
    LOL, you were triggered and now you will be triggered even more:

    Places where there is more people, more urbanisation, more jobs, more job prospects, more hospitals, more roads, more housing will also have more HIV cases
     
    LOL. Lviv is twice the size of Luhansk. Luhansk has much more HIV.

    The American expatriates who ran the eXile were experts on prostitution. This is what they had to say:

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7573

    “Lola, my whore, came from Severodonetsk, a toxic dump in the Lugansk oblast, the Russified east of Ukraine.I rented her late on Sunday, November 28th — the same day that the Ukrainian governors of several pro-Yanukovich regions were holding a congress in Severodonetsk, threatening to create a breakaway southeastern Ukrainian republic if the “orange” revolution in Kiev succeeded. It was one of those coincidences that writers invent to give a sordid story some relevance — but invention in this case isn’t necessary. We’re talking about whores here, folks. Any john in Moscow knows that Yanukovich country, the pro-Russian southeast of Ukraine, is the snapper-basket of Europe, the white world’s most fertile breeding ground for whores, the Golden Triangle of prostitution production.”

    That's where HIV comes from.

    That would be the same if comparing New York to Montana
     
    Lviv is more urban and has more people than Luhansk, which is full of HIV.

    Donbas - birth rate of Japan and HIV rate of sub-Saharan Africa.

    What else would you expect from a land of Sovoks?
    , @AP
    Just to pile on further, here is a comparison of various social problems, Lviv and Luhansk, before the war:


    % of Ukraine's:

    Population:

    Lviv oblast: 5.5%
    Luhanks oblast: 5.3%

    Divorces:

    Lviv oblast: 3.9%
    Luhanks oblast: 6.1%

    Children born out of wedlock:

    Lviv oblast: 2.5%
    Luhansk oblast: 5.2%

    Teenage criminals:

    Lviv oblast: 4.2%
    Luhanks oblast: 7.1%

    Syphillis:
    Lviv oblast: 2.7%
    Luhanks oblast: 7.2%

    Gonorrhea:

    Lviv oblast: 2.7%
    Luhanks oblast: 6.7%


    :::::::::::::::::::::::::

    "Western Ukrainians never internalized Communism, never perceived Communism as "their own" country, and never believed that the Soviet army liberated them. They defiantly baptized their children before 1991 and transmitted traditionally sophisticated culinary recipes from grandmother to granddaughter. This tradition disappeared from Eastern Ukraine due to permanent food shortages and the pauperization of daily life. Western Ukrainian farmers who put on suits, white shirts and polished shoes for church on Sunday are rather difficult to imagine in eastern Ukraine. In a sense, they are the "bourgeois" , members of the burgliche Gesellshaft that the Bolsheviks had long ago completely destroyed in the eastern part of the country."
  255. @Gerard2
    LOL....that has nothing to do with promiscuity you thick cr***n. Lvov isn't know as the sex capital of Europe because of the good morals of the female population you dimwit!

    Places where there is more people, more urbanisation, more jobs, more job prospects, more hospitals, more roads, more housing will also have more HIV cases - particularly up against the North Caucasus of Europe ( Galicia). It has absolutely nothing to do with promiscuity . Not least because also the number of people who have moved from Western Ukraine to Novorossiya/Kiev far outweighs the number who have gone from Donbass or the whole of Novorossiya to western Ukraine over the last 25 years. That would be the same if comparing New York to Montana you dumbass

    A. The map doesn't include Kiev, which would be the most important measure for the whole thing you idiot.

    B. Khlmenitsky Oblast results pretty much contradict your nonsense ( as does Kharkov , one of the most Russian places ever......and the low results in Zakarpattia in the west but not actually a "western Ukrainian" type of place)

    C. Going back to the obvious fact that the places where more people aspire to live there will be more disease possible, you can see that it gets worse - with the failed revolution of "dignity" probably bringing to power less "western Ukrainians" than before.......the head of the Consitutional Court ( in this freakshow will probably be more important a job than ever before) is a woman from Donetsk - a Yanukovich appointee! Think how bad it is, that with all this Banderastanisation/US funded liberasts/Svidomism, on the main thing they go on about (rule of law/corruption) a Donetsk lady, from the Yanukovich side of things is now the top legal authority in the country! What's unusual is that now, she will be the only high profile position in Ukraine in which the corresponding position in Russia is not also filled by a woman ( such as head of central bank, Education Minister, Health Minister etc)
    So to go with all the tonnes of science, mathematics, engineering, artists, writers, composers, singers, chess players,sports-stars,businessmen and so on from Donbass or the whole Novorossiya area that dwarf those from Galicia and /or the whole west Ukrainian area......can be added top legal position as well as President of course
    • Replies: @AP
    She is from Vynnytsia - central Ukraine, not western Ukraine.

    You don't even know basic geography :-)
  256. @Kent Nationalist
    'This will finally stop them from calling us Nazis'

    But the resolution that was ultimately approved wasn’t strong enough for some. Arguing on behalf of the AfD motion, MP Jurgen Braun belligerently declared his party “Israel’s one true friend in parliament,” and accused the other factions of “shying away” from making BDS illegal. “Anti-Semitism comes from the left,” he said, “and it comes from Islam.”

     

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-rowdy-german-parliament-okays-landmark-anti-bds-law-far-right-afd-wants-more/

    I think I already mentioned it, but the Israeli ambassador Jeremy Issacharoff has accused AfD of nostalgia for the Nazi era and considers them a grave threat to German democracy.
    A large part of AfD is unfortunately pretty stupid.

  257. African migrants seized Paris airport terminal, demanding that they receive permanent residence. It’s not totally clear what happened, but probably their demands were met, at least the French prime minister talked to them.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/hundreds-black-vest-migrants-seize-paris-airport-terminal-france-does-not-belong

  258. China might restrict rare earths exports to the US in retaliation for the Huawei embargo. I haven’t fully read this article, but seems interesting.

    http://www.mining.com/web/rare-earths-cross-hairs-new-high-tech-arms-race/

  259. Sorry for the Zero Hedge link barrage. I think these are all interesting.

    The Washington Post editorial’s headline (5/14/19) had the US “drifting” toward war with Iran—another example, as analyst Nima Shirazi quipped, of the “world’s superpower somehow having no agency over its own imperialism.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/corporate-media-setting-iran-new-threat-must-be-confronted

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    On the current /r/geopolitics front page, there is a link to Trump openly stating that the "military industrial complex wants me in Syria at all costs". There's a lot of pressure on him.

    A more interesting question is why Trump's fundamentally sound foreign policy instincts - at display so vivedly in the South Carolina GOP primary debate where he crushed Jeb! thoroughly - has been completely subdued by neocon advisers. He began by surrounding himself with good people (Bannon, Gorka - who has hungarian ancestry one might add) but all of them left/were purged and we ended up with kushner and bolton as the two driving policy. It's a mystery to my mind.

  260. @reiner Tor
    Sorry for the Zero Hedge link barrage. I think these are all interesting.

    The Washington Post editorial’s headline (5/14/19) had the US “drifting” toward war with Iran—another example, as analyst Nima Shirazi quipped, of the “world’s superpower somehow having no agency over its own imperialism.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/corporate-media-setting-iran-new-threat-must-be-confronted

    On the current /r/geopolitics front page, there is a link to Trump openly stating that the “military industrial complex wants me in Syria at all costs”. There’s a lot of pressure on him.

    A more interesting question is why Trump’s fundamentally sound foreign policy instincts – at display so vivedly in the South Carolina GOP primary debate where he crushed Jeb! thoroughly – has been completely subdued by neocon advisers. He began by surrounding himself with good people (Bannon, Gorka – who has hungarian ancestry one might add) but all of them left/were purged and we ended up with kushner and bolton as the two driving policy. It’s a mystery to my mind.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    A more interesting question is why Trump’s fundamentally sound foreign policy instincts – at display so vivedly in the South Carolina GOP primary debate where he crushed Jeb! thoroughly – has been completely subdued by neocon advisers.
     
    His foreign policy ideas were never that sound, he never was a principled skeptic of military interventions.
    iirc his main criticism of the Iraq war was some ridiculous whining that it hadn't been lucrative enough for America ("Why didn't we take their oil?").
    He also was in favour of dramatically expanding the US military during his campaign.
    Most crucially, he always was hostile to the nuclear agreement with Iran, peddling the argument that Obama had somehow sold out American security by making a "very bad deal" with the mullahs. His current stance on Iran isn't some drastic change of positions, it's a logical evolution of the views he espoused already back in 2016.
    I think it's well past time that Trump shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt anymore...one has to recognize that his brand of American nationalism is at core aggressive, militarist and fully in line with the idea that the US is an "exceptional" nation for which rules don't apply and which shouldn't be bound by any treaties (demonstrated in his enthusiasm for tearing down nuclear arms control and missile limitation treaties). It probably shouldn't have been surprising, Trump is merely an especially crass manifestation of certain tendencies that were already discernible during the Bush II administrations (I recommend Anatol Lieven's American nationalism, imo it's a good compendium about what makes people like Trump and many of his voters tick, also doesn't shy away from controversial subjects like the demented love for Israel so evident in Trump's administration). Unless one's a Zionist Jew or a Gulf Arab, there's no reason imo why any non-American should be sympathetic to that programme. European right-wingers should drop any illusions that Trump and his ilk are somehow on our side.
  261. Our good friend Thierry Baudet, leader of FvD in the Netherlands, and who has refused to distance himself from HBD, has done us a good service:

    A long-form article of what can only be described as genuine conservatism: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2019/05/houellebecqs-unfinished-critique-of-liberal-modernity/

    Not the neoliberal “small state” claptrap which passes for GOP milquetoast variety, but whose adherents all basically accept the fundamental precepts of the liberal world view.

    Questioning some of the basic premises and core tenets of liberalism. In my view, while talking about HBD is fine, we have to go beyond it. It is incomplete as a weltanschauung. There is a lot to conservatism that we are missing in our political debates with its neoliberal vs leftist paradigm. I want conservatism to graduate beyond retarded capitalism-can-do-no-wrong cheering and unshackle itself from the core assumptions of liberalism. Baudet’s questioning of the wisdom of having women in the work force in particular is something very few “conservatives” would even have the balls to approach.

    I like him.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    I think whether an individual is better off being free is personality-dependent. I for example want absolute individual freedom for myself because deep down in my heart I'm a crusader for principles. I don't want any social relations to be able to force me to abandon my principles. It might not be optimal for other people though.

    Here is another key issue. Coercion just like killing is a powerful social tool. Free individuals aren't that interested in forcing non-free people to become free. On the other hand non-free people are very interested in subjugating free individuals.
  262. @Vishnugupta
    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.

    It is just that the British era provision of gay sex (done quietly behind doors) being outlawed which was extensively misused by various police to frame innocents(straight as well as homos who were quietly at it behind closed doors without causing any ruckus) that has been struck down.

    The reasoning was homosexuality is a genetic disability and what two adult homos do behind close doors is none of the police's business just leave the freaks alone..

    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.

    Public opinion doesn’t matter, elite opinion does. Taiwan’s public was against gay marriage by 70% to 30% in favor. The ruling party bulldozed them and got it legalised. In India, the Supreme Court ruled in this year that “trans” women may marry under the 1955 marriage act.

    Was this demanded by the people? No, but it reached a critical threshold among elites. Even the supposed Hindu “nationalist” party didn’t object. Also, your country is not as based as you think it is.


    India could very well legalise gay marriage within 15 years. Karan Johar, who is one of the prime movers and shakers among the Brothelhood elite has already stated that he wants to do homosexual romances on-screen going ahead in order to “break barriers”. A few days ago, the first active Indian athlete(Dutee Chand) came out as gay. It’s happening and its the elite that counts. Also, judging by the World Values Survey, the people are not far behind.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    In India which is a country that socially has three genders (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(Indian_subcontinent) ) gay marriage is probably not a part of a major trad vs modernist conflict.

    Instead maybe you should look into "Can people marry between castes?" or "Shall atheism be tolerated?"

    I personally believe that except for a few religious fundamentalists the abstract trad vs modernist conflict is more important than specific cultural issues that are culture-dependent. Trads are defined as people who do whatever their parents do and believe whatever their parents believe (even if what their parents do is suicidal and what their parents believe are objectively false). Modernists are defined as those who challenge trads.

    , @songbird
    There is even an NGO now called the Rainbow Railroad, which is focused on importing more gays from abroad. Many from black countries (super high rates of HIV, etc), which is a curious inversion of the old immigration policy when people were inspected for health, quarantined, and often left to die, if they were infected.
  263. @Thulean Friend
    On the current /r/geopolitics front page, there is a link to Trump openly stating that the "military industrial complex wants me in Syria at all costs". There's a lot of pressure on him.

    A more interesting question is why Trump's fundamentally sound foreign policy instincts - at display so vivedly in the South Carolina GOP primary debate where he crushed Jeb! thoroughly - has been completely subdued by neocon advisers. He began by surrounding himself with good people (Bannon, Gorka - who has hungarian ancestry one might add) but all of them left/were purged and we ended up with kushner and bolton as the two driving policy. It's a mystery to my mind.

    A more interesting question is why Trump’s fundamentally sound foreign policy instincts – at display so vivedly in the South Carolina GOP primary debate where he crushed Jeb! thoroughly – has been completely subdued by neocon advisers.

    His foreign policy ideas were never that sound, he never was a principled skeptic of military interventions.
    iirc his main criticism of the Iraq war was some ridiculous whining that it hadn’t been lucrative enough for America (“Why didn’t we take their oil?”).
    He also was in favour of dramatically expanding the US military during his campaign.
    Most crucially, he always was hostile to the nuclear agreement with Iran, peddling the argument that Obama had somehow sold out American security by making a “very bad deal” with the mullahs. His current stance on Iran isn’t some drastic change of positions, it’s a logical evolution of the views he espoused already back in 2016.
    I think it’s well past time that Trump shouldn’t be given the benefit of the doubt anymore…one has to recognize that his brand of American nationalism is at core aggressive, militarist and fully in line with the idea that the US is an “exceptional” nation for which rules don’t apply and which shouldn’t be bound by any treaties (demonstrated in his enthusiasm for tearing down nuclear arms control and missile limitation treaties). It probably shouldn’t have been surprising, Trump is merely an especially crass manifestation of certain tendencies that were already discernible during the Bush II administrations (I recommend Anatol Lieven’s American nationalism, imo it’s a good compendium about what makes people like Trump and many of his voters tick, also doesn’t shy away from controversial subjects like the demented love for Israel so evident in Trump’s administration). Unless one’s a Zionist Jew or a Gulf Arab, there’s no reason imo why any non-American should be sympathetic to that programme. European right-wingers should drop any illusions that Trump and his ilk are somehow on our side.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @dfordoom

    European right-wingers should drop any illusions that Trump and his ilk are somehow on our side.
     
    Yes.
  264. @Thulean Friend
    Our good friend Thierry Baudet, leader of FvD in the Netherlands, and who has refused to distance himself from HBD, has done us a good service:

    A long-form article of what can only be described as genuine conservatism: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2019/05/houellebecqs-unfinished-critique-of-liberal-modernity/

    Not the neoliberal "small state" claptrap which passes for GOP milquetoast variety, but whose adherents all basically accept the fundamental precepts of the liberal world view.

    Questioning some of the basic premises and core tenets of liberalism. In my view, while talking about HBD is fine, we have to go beyond it. It is incomplete as a weltanschauung. There is a lot to conservatism that we are missing in our political debates with its neoliberal vs leftist paradigm. I want conservatism to graduate beyond retarded capitalism-can-do-no-wrong cheering and unshackle itself from the core assumptions of liberalism. Baudet's questioning of the wisdom of having women in the work force in particular is something very few "conservatives" would even have the balls to approach.

    I like him.

    I think whether an individual is better off being free is personality-dependent. I for example want absolute individual freedom for myself because deep down in my heart I’m a crusader for principles. I don’t want any social relations to be able to force me to abandon my principles. It might not be optimal for other people though.

    Here is another key issue. Coercion just like killing is a powerful social tool. Free individuals aren’t that interested in forcing non-free people to become free. On the other hand non-free people are very interested in subjugating free individuals.

  265. @Thulean Friend

    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.
     
    Public opinion doesn't matter, elite opinion does. Taiwan's public was against gay marriage by 70% to 30% in favor. The ruling party bulldozed them and got it legalised. In India, the Supreme Court ruled in this year that "trans" women may marry under the 1955 marriage act.

    Was this demanded by the people? No, but it reached a critical threshold among elites. Even the supposed Hindu "nationalist" party didn't object. Also, your country is not as based as you think it is.


    https://i.imgur.com/G8zNDcr.jpg

    India could very well legalise gay marriage within 15 years. Karan Johar, who is one of the prime movers and shakers among the Brothelhood elite has already stated that he wants to do homosexual romances on-screen going ahead in order to "break barriers". A few days ago, the first active Indian athlete(Dutee Chand) came out as gay. It's happening and its the elite that counts. Also, judging by the World Values Survey, the people are not far behind.

    In India which is a country that socially has three genders (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(Indian_subcontinent) ) gay marriage is probably not a part of a major trad vs modernist conflict.

    Instead maybe you should look into “Can people marry between castes?” or “Shall atheism be tolerated?”

    I personally believe that except for a few religious fundamentalists the abstract trad vs modernist conflict is more important than specific cultural issues that are culture-dependent. Trads are defined as people who do whatever their parents do and believe whatever their parents believe (even if what their parents do is suicidal and what their parents believe are objectively false). Modernists are defined as those who challenge trads.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Methinks your definition is kind of biased.

    Trads are defined as people who do whatever their parents do and believe whatever their parents believe (even if what their parents do is suicidal and what their parents believe are objectively false). Modernists are defined as those who challenge trads.

    It all gets back to the ubiquitous bumper sticker, "Challenge Authority!"

    Which I agree we should all do. But sometimes Authority and Tradition are right. Rejecting them simply because they are the past is at least as stupid as accepting them for that reason.

    If something has been part of society for hundreds or thousands of years, it may very well have an important purpose even if it's not immediately obvious to us.

    Chesterton's Fence springs to mind.
  266. So for example a commie in mainland China, a devoted Sunni Muslim in Saudi Arabia and a devoted Catholic in Poland are likely trads. On the other hand a Christian convert in Saudi Arabia and a Pole who converted to Islam are modernists / anti-trads. What they actually believe and do are irrelevant. Instead whether they conform to whatever their parents do and believe are what matters.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    Communism is explicitly against tradition. Islam and Christianity are rival traditions.
  267. @Thulean Friend

    Gay marriage/civil partnership etc is still outlawed in India. There is zero probability of it being legalized anytime soon.
     
    Public opinion doesn't matter, elite opinion does. Taiwan's public was against gay marriage by 70% to 30% in favor. The ruling party bulldozed them and got it legalised. In India, the Supreme Court ruled in this year that "trans" women may marry under the 1955 marriage act.

    Was this demanded by the people? No, but it reached a critical threshold among elites. Even the supposed Hindu "nationalist" party didn't object. Also, your country is not as based as you think it is.


    https://i.imgur.com/G8zNDcr.jpg

    India could very well legalise gay marriage within 15 years. Karan Johar, who is one of the prime movers and shakers among the Brothelhood elite has already stated that he wants to do homosexual romances on-screen going ahead in order to "break barriers". A few days ago, the first active Indian athlete(Dutee Chand) came out as gay. It's happening and its the elite that counts. Also, judging by the World Values Survey, the people are not far behind.

    There is even an NGO now called the Rainbow Railroad, which is focused on importing more gays from abroad. Many from black countries (super high rates of HIV, etc), which is a curious inversion of the old immigration policy when people were inspected for health, quarantined, and often left to die, if they were infected.

  268. @EastKekistani
    So for example a commie in mainland China, a devoted Sunni Muslim in Saudi Arabia and a devoted Catholic in Poland are likely trads. On the other hand a Christian convert in Saudi Arabia and a Pole who converted to Islam are modernists / anti-trads. What they actually believe and do are irrelevant. Instead whether they conform to whatever their parents do and believe are what matters.

    Communism is explicitly against tradition. Islam and Christianity are rival traditions.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    That depends on what you consider traditional. For example I can easily argue that all white non-heathens are anti-traditional if we use pre-Christian white cultures as the tradition. Is this what we really want though?

    For young people growing up in the PRC communism is traditional while anti-communism is novel. Why? Because rebels in modern China are rarely commies. Of course before 1949 it was the other way around. Chiang Kai-shek was considered boring and conformist while both Western and Soviet ideas were rebellious.

  269. @Ray P
    Communism is explicitly against tradition. Islam and Christianity are rival traditions.

    That depends on what you consider traditional. For example I can easily argue that all white non-heathens are anti-traditional if we use pre-Christian white cultures as the tradition. Is this what we really want though?

    For young people growing up in the PRC communism is traditional while anti-communism is novel. Why? Because rebels in modern China are rarely commies. Of course before 1949 it was the other way around. Chiang Kai-shek was considered boring and conformist while both Western and Soviet ideas were rebellious.

    • Replies: @Adam
    There's a difference between tradition (the enduring customs and beliefs of a society) and Tradition, which has a metaphysical basis. Cosmopolitanism, democracy, and sexual liberation are becoming the primary traditions of the modern west, but it obviously absurd to call some leftist degenerate 'traditional' and a traditional Catholic rebellious.
    , @Ray P
    European pagans were a rival tradition to Christians. Kuomintang and CCP were both anti-tradition modernizers.
  270. @German_reader

    These groups of men have also rediscovered a lot of knowledge that was lost by Christians
     
    What kind of knowledge?

    AaronB’s point has merit, though that’s not what I was going for. I’m not really a fan of DARK TRIAD since it has overtones of immorality and even evil. I’d rather say high value behavior. It’s not necessarily DARK TRIAD for instance to refuse to let people, including attractive women, to walk all over you. It’s simple self-respect. Wall Street Playboys once described “game” as pretending to be rich.

    The actual lost knowledge (lost by most, not completely eradicated) that was rediscovered was the difference between the masculine and feminine, and how as a man you must lead women. This was originally “researched” by these people simply to get laid, but has applicability in proper relationships and is described in such terms by Christian “game” writers such as Dalrock: https://dalrock.wordpress.com

    A banal example of this is when couples discuss where to go out for dinner. Women absolutely hate it when men say they are fine with anything and “whatever you want honey” because it comes off as weak and indecisive.

  271. @reiner Tor
    The father's right to kill his children is certainly patriarchy in a quite literal sense.

    Right. However it is almost never how the word “patriarchy” is used in the modern West.

  272. @German_reader

    and they are basically summarizing the German mainstream press
     
    I'm not sure German mainstream media are even asking the question who's behind this video.
    More likely reaction is they'll focus on the alleged threat to "independent" media (Strache in the video spoke not just about acquiring influence over the Kronenzeitung, but also about privatizing the public broadcaster ORF - which like the public television channels in Germany is a bulwark of the anti-nationalist establishment view) and congratulate themselves on having done their duty as "investigative journalists" (lol) by unmasking the FPÖ.

    Welcome to independent media, home of the damn good journalists

  273. @Hyperborean

    How many days has he been briefed that Iran is a threat? Maybe, it would turn anyone crazy, if it went on for years.

     

    Although de jure the US President possesses quite a bit of power, in practice I think there is very little that they can do that is outside the window of opinion approved by the deep state.

    Just about the only major change in policy that isn't merely an intensification of the status quo Trump has brought forth is the trade war with China, and even that is most likely because of a shift in opinion within the circle of permanent officials (see Chuck Schumer giving a "bipartisan" stamp of approval for the trade war).

    That is not to excuse Trump's numerous personal flaws, but it does make me wonder how much even someone like Pat Buchanan as President would be able to achieve in the face of all out hostility from within the permanent government.

    Chuck Schumer has long been a protectionist.

    In the early 2000s he and Paul Craig Roberts (yes, that PCR) co-wrote an op-ed in the prestige media (don’t recall if it was the Journal or the NYT) denouncing “free trade” and predicting dire consequences for the American economy.

    I agree with you otherwise. Marco Rubio blurting out in a hearing that perhaps America needs an industrial policy to compete with “Chinese state capitalism” was very telling.

  274. @Logan
    Cypriots are white but Levantines are not.

    Based on what?

    Somebody give me a definition of who is and is not white and why they draw the line where it is.

    Based on people generally not considering anyone from the Middle East to be white.

    The line is probably drawn there because the Middle East is considered Islamic.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Fair enough. However, "white" is generally considered a racial/ethnic not religious/cultural category.

    I've had some very odd conversations around this issue.

    Some of the groups that have been deleted from "white" by various people over the years: Spanish, Italians, Greeks, Persians, Armenians, Arabs, Romanians, Russians and other Slavs, Irish (!), etc.

    About the only groups I've never seen removed from white are British, Germans and Scandinavians.

    If you're going to run around being the defenders of the white race you need to get straight who is and is not white.
  275. @Gerard2
    western Ukraine morals hahaha:

    https://life.ru/t/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8/1216372/laifu_stali_izviestny_dietali_zadierzhaniia_matieri_brosivshiei_malyshku_v_poliklinikie

    She is from Vynnytsia – central Ukraine, not western Ukraine.

    You don’t even know basic geography 🙂

  276. AP says:
    @Gerard2
    LOL....that has nothing to do with promiscuity you thick cr***n. Lvov isn't know as the sex capital of Europe because of the good morals of the female population you dimwit!

    Places where there is more people, more urbanisation, more jobs, more job prospects, more hospitals, more roads, more housing will also have more HIV cases - particularly up against the North Caucasus of Europe ( Galicia). It has absolutely nothing to do with promiscuity . Not least because also the number of people who have moved from Western Ukraine to Novorossiya/Kiev far outweighs the number who have gone from Donbass or the whole of Novorossiya to western Ukraine over the last 25 years. That would be the same if comparing New York to Montana you dumbass

    A. The map doesn't include Kiev, which would be the most important measure for the whole thing you idiot.

    B. Khlmenitsky Oblast results pretty much contradict your nonsense ( as does Kharkov , one of the most Russian places ever......and the low results in Zakarpattia in the west but not actually a "western Ukrainian" type of place)

    C. Going back to the obvious fact that the places where more people aspire to live there will be more disease possible, you can see that it gets worse - with the failed revolution of "dignity" probably bringing to power less "western Ukrainians" than before.......the head of the Consitutional Court ( in this freakshow will probably be more important a job than ever before) is a woman from Donetsk - a Yanukovich appointee! Think how bad it is, that with all this Banderastanisation/US funded liberasts/Svidomism, on the main thing they go on about (rule of law/corruption) a Donetsk lady, from the Yanukovich side of things is now the top legal authority in the country! What's unusual is that now, she will be the only high profile position in Ukraine in which the corresponding position in Russia is not also filled by a woman ( such as head of central bank, Education Minister, Health Minister etc)
    So to go with all the tonnes of science, mathematics, engineering, artists, writers, composers, singers, chess players,sports-stars,businessmen and so on from Donbass or the whole Novorossiya area that dwarf those from Galicia and /or the whole west Ukrainian area......can be added top legal position as well as President of course

    LOL, you were triggered and now you will be triggered even more:

    Places where there is more people, more urbanisation, more jobs, more job prospects, more hospitals, more roads, more housing will also have more HIV cases

    LOL. Lviv is twice the size of Luhansk. Luhansk has much more HIV.

    The American expatriates who ran the eXile were experts on prostitution. This is what they had to say:

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7573

    “Lola, my whore, came from Severodonetsk, a toxic dump in the Lugansk oblast, the Russified east of Ukraine.I rented her late on Sunday, November 28th — the same day that the Ukrainian governors of several pro-Yanukovich regions were holding a congress in Severodonetsk, threatening to create a breakaway southeastern Ukrainian republic if the “orange” revolution in Kiev succeeded. It was one of those coincidences that writers invent to give a sordid story some relevance — but invention in this case isn’t necessary. We’re talking about whores here, folks. Any john in Moscow knows that Yanukovich country, the pro-Russian southeast of Ukraine, is the snapper-basket of Europe, the white world’s most fertile breeding ground for whores, the Golden Triangle of prostitution production.”

    That’s where HIV comes from.

    That would be the same if comparing New York to Montana

    Lviv is more urban and has more people than Luhansk, which is full of HIV.

    Donbas – birth rate of Japan and HIV rate of sub-Saharan Africa.

    What else would you expect from a land of Sovoks?

    • Replies: @Gerard2

    LOL. Lviv is twice the size of Luhansk. Luhansk has much more HIV.
     
    the marginally higher HIV has nothing to do with promiscuity you cretin - it is for the reasons I stated before.

    The American expatriates who ran the eXile were experts on prostitution. This is what they had to say:

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7573

    “Lola, my whore, ca