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OK! So I finally have a PC again thanks to a scavenging friend.

  • CPU = i5-4670k
  • MoBo = Asus Z87-A
  • GPU = GTX 770
  • 620W PSU and R4 Fractal case

Full upgrade is too costly (around $500 as both the DDR-3 based MoBo and CPU would need to be replaced), and frankly unneeded for another 2-3 years, but I do want to upgrade the GPU and double RAM to 16GB.

Goals: Play any modern game at smooth 60 fps on 1080p screen on Ultra would almost certainly be the main/only constraining factor.

RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR3 DIMM 1600MHz PC3-12800 [16GB] for ~$100. Some of my apps could benefit from this and might come in handy if I need to work on large databases.

Which GPU?

I like MSI GPUs as they tend to be quiet, reliable, have good cooling, and are OC friendly. I assume these are no different and the reviews appear to be ok.

Getting the RTX 2060 seems like a no brainer. Might be worth considering the 1660-Ti if the price differential was $80 (as it seems to be in the US), but in Russia it’s only ~$40.

Does this sound about right? Am I making any mistakes?

Meta-note: I should have never abandoned the PC master race. Thorfinnsson’s “technical” explanations regardless, I strongly believe that the problems with my Lenovo notebook were the result of God punishing me for my treason. I have gotten the message. Laptops are for bringing to work, or for travel – not for the home.

With 20 days worth of warranty remaining, I will soon send it the laptop off to get repaired, hopefully it could at least continue serving in that modest and more appropriate function.

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More notable posts since the last Open Thread in case you missed any of them.

  • Kazakh President Nazarbayev Resigns
    • Succeeding Prez Tokayev to rename capital Astana to Nursultan. I thought the Kazakhs might be freer of the Central Asian inclination towards personality cults, but I guess not.
    • Nazarbayev will retain real power. He was made Leader for Life (“elbasy”) in 2010, and he will chair the Security Council, which was made more powerful than the Presidency. I have seen speculations that he will be succeeded by his wife, or one of his two daughters.
  • What If Russia Stood on the Sidelines While Crimea Burned?
    • More Crimea poasts upcoming soon.
  • Some good responses to my Yang post at /r/YangForPresidentHQ

Not many notable posts, as I’m only posting this a few days after the last Open Thread.

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Russia

  • *powerful comment*: E dissects internal Ukrainian discussions on what to do about Crimea on Feb 28, 2014
  • Completion of the first railroad bridge across the Amur linking China and Russia; should be in operation by the end of the year
  • Hyundai/Yandex strike deal on developing self-driving cars
  • *powerful comment*: German_reader on how Merkel took the climate school strikes as Russian “hybrid warfare” until the Greens came out in support.
  • Moscow prepares ‘White Book’ on human rights violations by Western states
  • Mary Ilyushina: “RT apparently makes its employees sign an agreement banning them from criticizing or discussing the inner workings of the channel even 20 YEARS after they quit. Otherwise — 5 mln rub fine (about 77k).

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World

  • More Zach Goldberg on the rise of millennial Pink Guards
  • Trump ReTweets:
    • William Craddick: “Russiagate was designed in part to help the UK counter Russian influence by baiting the United States into taking a hard line against them. Leaves us all with a more dangerous world as a consequence. Just another episode of the Great Game.
    • He’s not wrong!
  • Andrew Yang not an IQ realist (publicly)
    • Airily dismissing utility of IQ tests is highly characteristic of high IQ people. But there are also purely pragmatic reasons for politicians to steer clear.
  • Barak Ravid: “This is one of the most bizzare election ad you have ever seen: Israel’s Minister of Justice (!!) Ayelet Shaked plays a model, sprays herself with “Fascism” perfume and says: “Smells like democracy to me”. Viktor Orban on steroids
  • Mencius Moldbugman travel thread:
    • I’m a well-travelled guy and I recently got some comments about my travels, especially in light of the Christchurch shooter’s trips to Pakistan and N Korea. I’d like to share some thoughts on why I don’t think these places radicalised him, plus some talk about Bhutan….. Media cries of radicalisation when they see someone visiting NK or Pakistan are groundless and ignorant of reality. I’m very lucky to be extremely well travelled in unusual locales… the only place I ever felt radicalised was Bhutan.

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  1. Mr. Hack says:

    *powerful comment*: Thorfinnsson on Luftwaffe vs. modern art

    ‘Powerful’?? Give me a break Anatoly! 🙂

    A photgraph of a bombsight better than Picasso’s Guernica? The ‘alt-right’ gang should stick to planning various interesting anschlusses around the world, not discussions about art (I did notice a fan or two of the Austrian water colorist gain some ‘powerful comments’ too. It’s a shame that you didn’t include them too!). 🙂

    • Replies: @szopen
  2. Mikhail says: • Website

    The latest from a once time multiple guest on RT: https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/21/on-ilhan-omar-assad-fetishism-and-the-danger-of-red-brown-anti-imperialism/

    Harassment? https://www.rt.com/sport/454388-zagitova-doping-control-world-championship/

    Hate mongering journalism: https://www.rferl.org/a/cold-war-on-ice-how-czechoslovakia-hockey-team-beat-soviets/29832512.html

    Highly suspect that the featured Boris Mikhailov wasn’t asked about the claim made (by one of his Czech opponents in the above linked video) that he played dirty. No note on the many modern day Czechs and Slovaks who’ve played in Russia, inclusive of the best Czech player ever – the not so distantly retired Jaromir Jagr, who doesn’t stereotype Russia/Russians, while opposing the 1968 Soviet led intervention of his country. The late Ivan Hlinka, who coached the Olympic gold medal winning men’s Czech ice hockey team in 1998, went on to coach in Russia.

    • Replies: @Anon
  3. szopen says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Szukalski thought Picasso was Fartist and Pic-ass-hole, and Szukalski was genius, soooo … 😀

    (OTOH, Szukalski was also a complete nut plus he was Russophobe)

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  4. RE: LondonBob’s Civil War post, with which I mostly agree, as far as alternative history goes when it comes to Britain and America, Ron Unz gave us a good starting point from where we can wander into asking what might have been if a bunch of Limey spies and Roosevelt hadn’t attacked our formerly peaceful country

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-alexander-cockburn-and-the-british-spies/

    But an even better question is, what if that troll Teddy Roosevelt hadn’t put Wilson into the White House? Would Taft, et al, have stopped the Fed? And it certainly seems a Taft administration, followed presumably by another Republican victory in 1916, would have stopped U.S. intervention in World War 1. Or was it all inevitable?

    America’s “special relationship” with Britain. Pardon me while I vomit in my mouth.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @LondonBob
  5. Intentional confusion in ChristChurch and the ‘conspiracy theory’ smear –

    Every serious analyst reviewing the New Zealand Tarrant mosque shooting video, finds credibility-nullifying elements of hoax and fraud – the ejected rifle brass casings turning into vapour, obvious computer graphics; the lack of damage in walls and windows from rifle fire; the lack of physical reactions & screams in bodies being shot; the barefoot victim shot down, having socks on two minutes later, etc

    But it’s not easy to grok this, as the next logical question is how you can get an entire Muslim community to keep quiet about a ‘fake’ shooting, whilst ‘crisis actors’ give interviews etc

    The logical conclusion is that, as some argue, there was a real mosque massacre by one or two gov-tied killers, and a fake video was made to sow confusion and discredit anyone who notices the fakery.

    With real Muslims dead, all you need to shut up real witnesses, is to have one or two corrupt Muslim leaders, tell their flock they are dishonouring martrys by trying to talk to media, and Allah wills the situation as is, so shut up. The same Muslim leaders who let the interior of the mosque be filmed earlier, as backdrop for the fabricated Tarrant show.

    NZ media would dismiss as ‘crazy’ any wounded or witness Muslim who tried to argue against the video – which they maybe haven’t seen anyway, given NZ censorship.

    The ‘white nationalist boogeyman’ is obviously very long-term useful to prop up as alleged shooter. At the same time, there is meagre ground to argue the gov-mercenary shooter angle, and the ‘truther’ crowd is made to look obsessive and foolish quibbling about obvious video fraud.

    The value of confusion is high to government operations. Consider 9-11, with five widely-spread stories about what took down the New York World Trade Centre towers on 11 September 2001, four stories all deflecting from whatever is the real truth:

    (1) Official story, planes, jet fuel, etc – Denounced as impossible by thousands of architects & engineers
    (2) Conventional pre-set explosives, linked to the ‘Israeli art students’ photographed by the New York Times, with boxes whose industrial codes showed them to be bomb detonator components (my vote)
    (3) Nano-thermite advanced explosives
    (4) Destructive energy rays which the government can use from a distance
    (5) 1950s-60s recycled ‘mini nuclear weapons’ detonated inside the towers

  6. inertial says:

    Yandex apparently has one of the best self-driving systems out there, despite only starting working on it in 2016.

    https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/russias-yandex-has-created-what-may-be-most-aggressive-av-tech

    From the start, there was a clear contrast between the Yandex demonstration and a dozen or so other self-driving rides others conducted that week. Others required their human safety drivers to operate the vehicle in private parking lots and engage autonomous mode only when we reached a public road. But the Toyota Prius V used by Yandex was under computer control from the moment we rolled out of a parking stall within the garage at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, though a human safety driver was behind the wheel.

    They almost didn’t get there, thanks to the wonderful relations between US and Russia.

    That Yandex was in Vegas at all is something of a marvel. Several members of the Yandex engineering team had visa delays in the weeks leading into CES. So it was left to a single employee who arrived five weeks before the tech showcase to buy a Prius V from a local dealer, retrofit the vehicle with its sensor stack of Velodyne lidar, cameras and radar, not to mention the computing power in the trunk, and then map routes around the city.

  7. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Ron Unz gave us a good starting point from where we can wander into asking what might have been if a bunch of Limey spies and Roosevelt hadn’t attacked our formerly peaceful country

    Nazi Germany could have become potentially quite dangerous to the US if it had successfully conquered Eurasia. It did have fairly advanced technology by the standards of the time after all, especially in rocket development. I guess it comes down to the question whether Hitler’s ambitions were limited to Europe or global, at least in the long term.
    Another crucial question of course is whether Germany could ever have decisively defeated the Soviet Union and occupied all of European Russia. I doubt it, Operation Barbarossa was total hubris and the German plans had failed even in their modified form by late 1942/early 1943, and that was before America decisively entered the war in North Africa and Europe, and iirc also before most of the Western lend-lease shipments to the Soviet Union. But I suppose there might have been some sort of extended stalemate.
    But in any case, Roosevelt’s actions turned the US into the dominant world power, at the cost of the lowest casualties of all combatant powers. So the criticism of him by US paleoconservatives always seems rather exaggerated to me.

  8. PC

    You might not need to upgrade for a very long time in light of the end of Moore’s Law.

    The Haswell generation (4th) of Intel Core processors is nearly as powerful as the current 8th generation.

    The disadvantages in your setup compared to the latest technology are in the data buses:

    • DDR3 instead of DDR4
    • No NVMe
    • No Thunderbolt

    DDR4 is a minor improvement and not noticeable for most users.

    NVMe is a substantial improvement, but a SATA3 SSD is still speedy enough for most users. If desperate to improve you can use a PCI-E card SSD or configure a SATA RAID 0 array.

    Thunderbolt is irrelevant for your needs.

    I would not be surprised if this system is satisfactory for your needs a decade from now.

    It appears that a 2.5″ SSD is mounted on top of the cage containing an obsolete Western Digital spinning platter hard drive. If that’s not an SSD, I would advise upgrading to a SSD prior to upgrading RAM. Fortunately flash memory prices are in the tank right now so SSD prices are dirt cheap.

    No opinion on the GPU as I don’t game.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  9. Mr. Hack says:
    @szopen

    Szukalski miał pierdnięcie mózgu! 🙂

  10. It’s a photograph of a bomb site, not a photograph of a bombsight.

    You do raise a good point none the less. Bombsights of the period were also great works of art.

    If found in a ditch with bones and spearheads strewn about, this would have a place of pride in the British Museum. Instead it suffers in obscurity at the Imperial War Museum, a facility whose main purpose is the burnishing of Bernard Law Montgomery’s reputation.

    It’s obviously greater than anything Picasso ever produced.

    • Agree: melanf
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  11. LondonBob says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    The Roosevelt administration was a key driver of WWII, as much so as Hitler. See The Forrestal Diaries and Joe Kennedy relaying Neville Chamberlain’s thoughts on the matter. War might have been avoided otherwise.

    Had the Republican vote not been split then there was a good chance the US would have entered WWI a lot earlier and Germany been defeated a lot sooner.

    https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2014/04/roosevelt-1912/

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  12. LondonBob says:
    @LondonBob

    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

    The IHR do some very good work, but obviously they have their own axes to grind.

  13. @German_reader

    John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan’s point of departure is November, 1940.

    Because he is citing Ron Unz’s essay about the 1940 Presidential election, this means he means that an “isolationist” Republican (not Wendell Wilkie) wins the 1940 Presidential election. Senator Robert “Mr. Conservative” Taft of Ohio for instance.

    Hitler decided to invade the USSR after Molotov’s disastrous visit to Berlin in October, 1940.

    Owing to the anti-German foreign policy of the Roosevelt administration, including a stated plan to build 50,000 aircraft per year and supply them to Britain, relatively few industrial resources in advance of Operation Barbarossa were allocated to strengthening the army. Much more were allocated to capital investments and the other services (who also had access to better personnel).

    It is possible that with an isolationist victory in the 1940 US election that Germany would’ve invested more into strengthening the army, and that this would’ve provided the necessary margin of victory during Barbarossa.

    I am personally a believer that a neutral, isolationist US would’ve resulted in a German victory. People like to claim that most Lend-Lease was shipped in the latter years of the war, but this is because because American production kept skyrocketing. Then there are people who claim that the “tide turned” at the end of 1942, as if the war followed lunar phases.

    Even in the absence of a victory in Barbarossa, the following should be considered:

    • US production plans causing Germany to shift its production priorities (as noted earlier)
    • Soviet manpower attrition exceeded German attrition in percentage terms until the middle of 1944
    • The impact of Lend-Lease on the British war effort (generally forgotten, and Britain got more than the USSR)
    • German manpower and materiel diversions to other fronts increased after Stalingrad
    • Lend-Lease providing:

    -58% of the USSR’s high octane aviation fuel
    -33% of their motor vehicles
    -53% of USSR domestic production of expended ordnance (artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives)
    -30% of fighters and bombers
    -93% of railway equipment (locomotives, freight cars, wide gauge rails, etc.)
    -50–80% of rolled steel, cable, lead, and aluminium
    -43% of garage facilities (building materials & blueprints)
    -12% of tanks and SPGs
    -50% of TNT (1942-1944) and 33% of ammunition powder (in 1944)[54]
    -16% of all explosives (from 1941–1945, the USSR produced 505,000 tons of explosives and received 105,000 tons of Lend-Lease imports)

    Obviously German victory isn’t guaranteed in such a scenario. It’s well known that German intelligence on the USSR was poor and that they (obviously) underestimated the Red Army. So perhaps production plans wouldn’t have changed (there was still the need to defeat Britain). No decision in 1941 then, and hard to imagine one in 1942. Does the German army, freed of an Italian front and the Atlantic Wall, go on to beat the USSR in 1943 or 1944? Maybe.

    Britain’s power, especially that of Bomber Command, is often underappreciated. Bomber Command could’ve collapsed the German war economy in 1943 had they kept hammering the Ruhr. Instead, they shifted to Berlin. How much weaker is Bomber Command in this scenario? German air defenses are unlikely to be much stronger.

  14. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Looks to me like you may have missed your calling in life, Thorfinnsson. Perhaps, you should have gone to thunderbird school right after high school? You could have been a real hero too (notice the shiny, brand new bombsight camera?):

    Think of all of the mangled and incinerated bodies. I doubt that many bones would be left for your magnum opus photo, though?….

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @songbird
  15. @Thorfinnsson

    US production plans causing Germany to shift its production priorities (as noted earlier)

    shifted to what? Submarines would have been necessary anyway for the war against Britain, and the Luftwaffe remained a force used mostly for tactical support of ground troops, with all attempts at creating aircraft capable of strategic bombing unsuccesful and only pursued later in the war (and those weren’t just caused by considerations of the war against the western powers, there was also the idea of building an Uralbomber to strike Soviet industry in the Urals region).

    It’s well known that German intelligence on the USSR was poor and that they (obviously) underestimated the Red Army. So perhaps production plans wouldn’t have changed (there was still the need to defeat Britain).

    Given how absurdly confident Hitler and his generals were of victory in June/July 1941 (they really thought the Soviet Union would collapse in a few weeks), this seems likely to me.
    They really had no idea about Soviet capabilities. I’m currently reading a German book about the Wehrmacht, and the picture that emerges of Barbarossa is one of absolute hubris (e.g. the well-known fact that only a fairly small part of the Wehrmacht was motorized, the inferiority of German tanks to some Soviet designs, only compensated in 1941 by better German tactics, use of radio etc., the divisions destined for occupation duties in the rear being grotesquely under-manned and under-equipped, and much more).

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  16. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I think the utility of bombsights is probably somewhat overtated. They were certainly oversold, but it’s questionable whether they really needed a bombsight for Hiroshima. However, I suppose that one could make the argument that it was a political necessity to give the lie to precision bombing in order to spend the vast resources necessary to develop the B-29 and put it into production, that the A-bomb dropped to airburst over Japan is really the penultimate culmination of the bombsight. With the H-bomb being the final product.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  17. LondonBob says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    You ignore the high likelihood of Britain agreeing to Hitler’s very generous peace offers without the assurance of the US entering the war.

    Anyway the idea Britain was so influential on US politics is just not grounded in reality, wasn’t in WWI, even less so in regard to WWII. In both cases the Jewish influence was decisive, and many other lobbies were active too. Akin to those today ranting about Russians but not Israelis.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @utu
  18. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    Well, not quite. The ‘utility’ and ‘final product’ for the whole affair was upwards of 166,000 people killed. Here’s the ‘work of art’ that Thorfinnsonn dreams about:

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @AP
    , @Adam
  19. DFH says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Weren’t you apologising for a civilisation that ritually slaughtered thousands of people about ten minutes ago?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  20. Adam says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Are you really butthurt? He was just making a joke about Picasso’s shitty art.

  21. @German_reader

    shifted to what? Submarines would have been necessary anyway for the war against Britain, and the Luftwaffe remained a force used mostly for tactical support of ground troops, with all attempts at creating aircraft capable of strategic bombing unsuccesful and only pursued later in the war (and those weren’t just caused by considerations of the war against the western powers, there was also the idea of building an Uralbomber to strike Soviet industry in the Urals region).

    Between the Fall of France and the start of Barbarossa:

    • Massive capital investments–the largest investment boom in German history
    • U-boat production tripled
    • Aircraft production increased 40%
    • Aircraft manufacturing workforce grew 40% (effects of this not seen until 1942)
    • Munitions production was cut from 36% of expenditures to 20% (owing to large stocks–22m 10.5cm howitzer shells were in inventory in September, 1940)
    • Vehicles & weapons production increased 54%
    • Army’s steel ration cut by one-third
    • Exports increased 25%

    The basic goal of Ruestungsprogramm B was to prepare for a long war against the Anglo-Americans while still increasing the striking power of the army, which was done by doubling the number of Panzer divisions and increasing the amount of artillery guns in the infantry. This was done on the cheap by restricting the production of munitions as excess stocks had been produced in advance of the invasion of France. The freed resources were allocated to capital investments, the navy, and exports.

    The capital investments should be further explained. Gigantic investments had already begun in 1938, but after the Fall of France the largest investments ever in German history (relative terms) were made. Nothing of the sort occurred in Britain or the USSR (though the USA made gigantic investments). These investments were all made for the global war against the Anglo-Americans.

    Some of the investments made include:

    • Henschel & Sohn added 100,000 square meters of factory floor space in Kassel
    • Nibelungen tank factory constructed in St Valentin, Austria
    • Vomag in Plauen and Maschinenfabrik Niedersachsen works converted to tank production
    • IG Farben commenced construction on fuel plants to raise production from 4.3m tons to 10m by 1945
    • Work began on the Auschwitz factory complex, a 1.3bn Reichsmark investment (13bn Euros today)
    • 2.5bn Reichsmarks on other chemicals projects
    • 400m Reichsmark investment to raise Norwegian aluminum production from 46,000 tons to 200,000 tons by 1944
    • 1.5bn Reichsmark investment to increase Grossraum aluminum production to 1m tons
    • 685m Reichsmark investment to build the Flugmotorenwerk Ost in Austria with a planned output of 1,000 aero engines per month (this turned into a fiasco)
    • 170m Reichsmark investment to increase production of Daimler-Benz inverted V-12 aero engines at Genshagen (major success–actual output reached over 1,200 engines per month in 1944)
    • 5.2bn Reichsmarks into all Luftwaffe industries from 1939-1942 (explains much of the “armaments miracle”)

    In the absence of American involvement, perhaps more would’ve been allocated to current weapons production. Alternatively, Britain and the USSR would’ve faced a massive flood of German production in 1943 and later without a corresponding flood of American production.

    Figures are from Adam Tooze’s book The Wages of Destruction.

    Given how absurdly confident Hitler and his generals were of victory in June/July 1941 (they really thought the Soviet Union would collapse in a few weeks), this seems likely to me.
    They really had no idea about Soviet capabilities. I’m currently reading a German book about the Wehrmacht, and the picture that emerges of Barbarossa is one of absolute hubris (e.g. the well-known fact that only a fairly small part of the Wehrmacht was motorized, the inferiority of German tanks to some Soviet designs, only compensated in 1941 by better German tactics, use of radio etc., the divisions destined for occupation duties in the rear being grotesquely under-manned and under-equipped, and much more).

    Monday morning quarterbacking is easy.

    The situation in the fall of 1940 was that the Luftwaffe had failed to defeat Britain, the Kriegsmarine was a tiny force, and Germany was facing a long global war against the vastly superior combined resources of the United States and British Empire. At the same time it was falling into dangerous dependence on the Soviet Union.

    Unlike the Luftwaffe, the German Army had seemingly proven itself as an apparently invincible war winning weapon. Conquering Russia would solve Germany’s raw materials problem and provide it with all the resources it required to face the Anglo-American onslaught.

    While one shouldn’t excuse German hubris and poor intelligence, the fact that the Red Army had assembled more tanks and aircraft than the rest of the world combined was certainly shocking to everyone. So too was the size of the Red Army and the ability of Soviet leadership to rapidly form divisions. The Germans had expected to face 200 divisions, but by the time Barbarossa concluded they had faced something like 700 Soviet divisions.

    A lot of very advanced Soviet weapons did appear in 1940-1941 (not just the T-34 but also the ZiS-2 57mm anti-tank gun, the M1939 85mm flak cannon, the A-19 122mm field gun, the Yak-3, etc.), but fortunately relatively little of it was in service in 1941. The Il-2 also entered service that year but Great Patriotic War mythology aside it was a bad aircraft and should not have entered service.

    Also working in favor of the invading Germans was the continuing presence in the Soviet high command of very big-brained individuals like Artillery Directorate Chief Grigory Kulik, who had the inventor of the automatic grenade launcher executed and considered land mines to be a weapon of cowards. One of the reasons the T-34s encountered in 1941 were not a threat (aside from bad training, bad manufacturing quality, and bad deployment) was that Kulik deliberately sabotaged their anti-tank armament by supply an inferior gun and reducing the allocation of shells to the tanks.

    It’s true that the Wehrmacht was not motorized (and in fact progressively demotorized throughout the war), but the Red Army was not either. Obviously the lack of trucks caused enormous problems, but none the less the Germans advanced into the USSR in 1941 as fast as the Americans did into Iraq in 2003.

  22. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    (4th) of Intel Core processors is nearly as powerful as the current 8th generation.

    As diminishing returns, of the software, GPU, etc. (If he doesn’t upgrade his GPU too much).

    In terms of raw performance, it would be destroyed by the latest generations.

    I think it will be fine for 60 fps gaming nonetheless, if he does not use other programs, at the same time….

    But, maybe with the RTX 2060 , it will be underpowered though and just bottleneck a new GPU?

    With this processor, I guess it would be more suitable to match with something like a 1070? I’m no expert, but I would assume 1070 would be more suitable to match it with?

  23. @LondonBob

    A very good point.

    If FDR had been defeated, Churchill might well have been replaced leading to a peace agreement with the Germans.

    Jews were obviously pushing America towards war, but Unz’s essay about British influence is interesting and eye-opening:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-alexander-cockburn-and-the-british-spies/

    It’s also not just a matter of alien influence. Much of America’s WASP establishment, still in control at that time, favored intervention. Foreign Policy magazine helpfully has its archives online, and you can read all sorts of dreck from 1940 about the American need to enter the war or at least support Britain.

    Gallup opinion polling in 1939 also asked Americans if they should help their British “blood brothers” which I found interesting.

    American public opinion was largely opposed to intervention, but tellingly almost no one was in favor of joining the Axis whereas a substantial minority favored aiding or joining the Allies. This despite the fact that obviously America stood to gain from dismembering the British Empire and once and for all eliminating the hideous Canuckist Entity from the map.

  24. @Thorfinnsson

    and Germany was facing a long global war against the vastly superior combined resources of the United States and British Empire

    imo that exaggerates the situation. There was no immediate prospect of the US directly entering the war, a majority of the US public was against it (and it’s not even clear to me Roosevelt wanted direct intervention, maybe he would have been content with lend-lease and US navy patrols in the North Atlantic). And Britain on her own could never have expelled German forces from German-occupied Europe (Anglo-supremacists who claim otherwise usually have to resort to fantasy scenarios involving atomic weapons or mass armies of enthusiastic Indians fighting in Europe), in fact couldn’t even do all that much against Germany until 1943 when the bombing offensive escalated.
    tbh I have to wonder a bit what kind of ideological biases are present in Tooze’s work, if I understand correctly, he comes close to claiming that Britain and the US were Hitler’s main enemy, with the Soviet Union almost an afterthought in Hitler’s world view (which would seem very questionable to me).

  25. @German_reader

    Operation Barbarossa was total hubris

    Why that name though? I would have chosen to call it something more fortuitous like Operation Arminius.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @neutral
  26. @German_reader

    Roosevelt made the announcement in May, 1940 that the USA intended to construct 50,000 aircraft per year and supply them to Britain.

    US rearmament also began in the same year. The Two-Ocean Navy Act was passed into law on July 19, 1940. The act authorized the procurement of:

    • 18 aircraft carriers
    • 2 Iowa-class battleships
    • 5 Montana-class battleships
    • 6 Alaska-class cruisers
    • 27 cruisers
    • 115 destroyers
    • 43 submarines
    • 15,000 aircraft
    • The conversion of 100,000 tons of auxiliary ships
    • $50 million for patrol, escort and other vessels
    • $150 million for essential equipment and facilities
    • $65 million for the manufacture of ordnance material or munitions
    • $35 million for the expansion of facilities

    Also in 1940 (actually in December, 1939) the Army Air Corps issued the formal specification that would lead to the B-29.

    Britain’s war plans since 1936 always focused on strategic bombing. Churchill’s plans in turn always involved leveraging American production. America did not have to be directly at war with Germany in order for its industry to provide a lethal threat to Germany.

    As for Tooze’s ideological biases, he states in another book of his (Crashed) that he is a conventional left-liberal whose loyalties are divided between Britain, Germany, and the “island of Manhattan” (by which he means finance, not NYC).

    Tooze does not make the claim that the USSR was an afterthought in Hitler’s worldview and acknowledges Hitler’s long-range plans of annexing the USSR for Lebensraum. In fact, he does a good job of explaining the economic rationale for this thinking by explaining the miserable condition of the German peasantry in the period.

    He does make the claim that since 1938 Hitler believed he was facing a very powerful Western coalition. Operation Barbarossa is presented by Tooze as being part of an economic strategy to acquire the resources needed to face the Anglo-American colossus. In this it can seem like an afterthought even though the acquisition of territory in the east and the helotization, Germanization, and/or elimination of the Slavs had long been central to Hitler’s thinking.

    There were also other reasons for Barbarossa of course not heavily addressed by Tooze. The Soviet threat to Romanian oil for instance was cited by Hitler himself in his recorded conversation with Mannerheim, and Molotov’s demands in October, 1940 were outrageous.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  27. @Hyperborean

    The name is indeed odd, especially so since the Nazi view of the German middle ages wasn’t positive; iirc the Italian policy of emperors like Barbarossa was seen as a pointless waste of German blood and resources, preventing the creation of a strong central state in Germany and distracting from Germany’s true mission of colonization in Eastern Europe in the fight against the Slavs.
    As far as I know, there’s no real explanation for why that name was chosen, maybe it was kind of random and didn’t have any deeper significance.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @neutral
  28. @Thorfinnsson

    1940 that the USA intended to construct 50,000 aircraft per year and supply them to Britain.

    Aircraft are pointless though without aircrew to operate them.
    I haven’t personally read Tooze’s book (and don’t intend to in the near future), so I can’t comment in any more detail. Thanks for the interesting discussion.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  29. Gerard2 says:

    https://vz.ru/news/2019/3/20/969350.html

    LOL…………just when you thought this nutjob country couldn’t get more farcical. Easily deserving of a place on the Open Thread

    As for the thing about RT……. I am fairly sure it is standard practise amount all International News channels across the world, particularly American. Even so that story probably isn’t even true – they have plenty of western , foreign journalists – not much chance they could stop them, or sue them in a western court ( or even try)…and anyway the critical worker could just easily leak that to any of the numerous liberast friends that I am pretty sure align with the minds of most RT journalists anyway.

  30. @German_reader

    iirc the Italian policy of emperors like Barbarossa was seen as a pointless waste of German blood and resources, preventing the creation of a strong central state in Germany and distracting from Germany’s true mission of colonization in Eastern Europe in the fight against the Slavs.

    Yes, I suppose that too. I was thinking more of his ignominious end during the Third Crusade.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  31. @Hyperborean

    I was thinking more of his ignominious end during the Third Crusade.

    He’s not really dead and will return one day:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyffh%C3%A4user#Kyffh%C3%A4user_legend

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  32. neutral says:

    especially in light of the Christchurch shooter’s trips to Pakistan and N Korea. I’d like to share some thoughts on why I don’t think these places radicalised him

    I don’t know, visiting Pakistan is as a good education about what third world populations achieve as a society.

  33. neutral says:
    @German_reader

    Barbarossa was to join the crusade. Operation Barbarossa was a crusade against the jew, as the USSR was a jewish construct, the name no doubt came from this line of thought.

  34. @German_reader

    He’s not really dead and will return one day:

    Interesting, I hadn’t heard of Kyffhäuser before.

  35. neutral says:
    @Hyperborean

    They would have used his German name Herman, but it would probably not have been wise to use the name of a man that halted the Roman Empires expansion and ultimately that led it to its doom, the Italian allies would not have been too please with the connotations.

  36. Regarding the visual arts in Russia:

    I don’t really like the modern and geometric style, but at least this one is easily comprehensible.

    But what are these supposed to represent? I honestly have no clue. If there is no purpose then what is the point?

    I think the author, a woman, is trying to make some sort of feminist statement by contrasting these pictures, but honestly, seeing the grim, stern proletarian faces next to joyous, relaxed bourgeois women, it has the opposite effect on me.

    • Replies: @WHAT
    , @Mr. Hack
  37. @Thorfinnsson

    Correct, that’s (my own) SSD.

    @ Dmitry,

    With this processor, I guess it would be more suitable to match with something like a 1070? I’m no expert, but I would assume 1070 would be more suitable to match it with?

    1070 has very similar performance to 1660-Ti but is almost three years old and just as expensive. No real point to it.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @donnyess
  38. utu says:
    @LondonBob

    From 21 November 1938 report by Ambassador Potocki on conversation with Ambassador Bullitt

    As the Soviet Union’s potential strength is not yet known, it might happen that Germany would have moved too far away from its base, and would be condemned to wage a long and weakening war. Only then would the democratic countries attack Germany, Bullitt declared, and force her to capitulate.

    In reply to my question whether the United States would take part in such a war, he said, ‘Undoubtedly yes, but only after Great Britain and France had let loose first!’

    FDR knew what he wanted.

    Hoover would document his conversations with the various people he met with. An example is provided of Hoover’s meeting with Kennedy on May 15, 1945. Kennedy indicated he had over 900 dispatches which he could not print without consent of the U.S. Government. He hoped one day to receive such permission as it was Kennedy’s intention to write a book that would:

    …put an entirely different color on the process of how America got into the war and would prove the betrayal of the American people by Franklin D, Roosevelt.

    …Roosevelt and Bullitt were the major factors in the British making their guarantees to Poland and becoming involved in the war. Kennedy said that Bullitt, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the Poles not to make terms with the Germans and that he Kennedy, under instructions from Roosevelt, was constantly urging the British to make guarantees to the Poles.

    He said that after Chamberlain had given these guarantees, Chamberlain told him (Kennedy) that he hoped the Americans and the Jews would now be satisfied but that he (Chamberlain) felt that he had signed the doom of civilization.

    Kennedy said that if it had not been for Roosevelt the British would not have made this most gigantic blunder in history.

    Kennedy told me that he thought Roosevelt was in communication with Churchill, who was the leader of the opposition to Chamberlain, before Chamberlain was thrown out of office….

    James Forrestal, Under Secretary of the Navy, documented in his diaries a substantially similar conversation with Kennedy.

    Hoover’s Secret History of the Second World War … edited by George H. Nash
    https://books.google.com/books?id=ugFyjRLHPzcC&pg=PT761&lpg=PT761&dq=Ambassador+Potocki+on+conversation+with+Ambassador+Bullitt&source=bl&ots=D7zhs3vpcP&sig=ACfU3U1Hmz5emuNqS-66TFyApHESMkKS1Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI0ar7x5ThAhVCiOAKHeVpDM4Q6AEwBnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Ambassador%20Potocki%20on%20conversation%20with%20Ambassador%20Bullitt&f=false

  39. The result of being the puppet of a foreign master:

    The new law states that any person who enters the country legally — and resides in it for a year legally — can get the Iraqi passport.

    […]

    Raja’s Yousef explained the fear from the new law saying: “In the nearest religious visit, if 2 million Iranian came into Iraq, and a million do not return back to Iran, after one year they will be give the Iraqi passport and a social welfare of 500,000 dinars i.e. $400 and they will send to their families back home. This is all is taken from the Iraqi orphans money.”

    […]

    Another Iraqi wrote: “The new nationalisation law aims to change the demographics in Iraq, end the presence of the Iraqi people as a genuine people and replace it with races and ethnicities from Iran, Afghanistan, India and others.”

    […]

    “Kurds are part of this society; they were victims of the sectarian and racist practices of the old regime. At the time of Saddam, they were subjected to the most heinous genocides and forced displacements, as hundreds of thousands of them were dumped in the open, on the Iranian border, and all their possessions were confiscated,” Abu Hussein added “Justice must be done and their rights returned to them”

    https://www.amren.com/news/2019/03/new-iraqi-citizenship-law-stirs-controversy/

    • Replies: @songbird
  40. Gerard2 says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    …and what stopped them from concentrating on defeating the British in North Africa by way of not conducting Barbarossa? Thus saving valuable resources and military power being sent east – particularly with the Italian forces at an early stage in North Africa proving to be not so successful.
    The Shah of Iran had come out of support for the Nazis, M-R pact – surely all this secured them a steady oil supply for the short-medium term?

    If you are saying that the Kriegsmarine were so outmatched by the British that they were going to get smashed in the Mediterranean sea ( thus making land /air combat in North Africa redundant) then surely you could argue that Wehrmacht combined could have turned the situation by spoiler tactics- engaging the British to such an extent -hurting their oil infrastructure in North Africa, hitting naval oil routes back to Britain – that some treaty over the oil states would have been reached? North Africa was the British Empire’s biggest source of oil.

    Let’s not forget that Britain never once entered Poland in WW2, defeating an enemy (positioned 30 km away through the Eenglish Channel) by first defeating them in North Africa, then going through Italy via the south, THEN belatedly going through northern France ( as the Soviets start liberating Europe) is practically an unheard of method of victory in war – very successful in this instance…but one in which if the Nazi’s had known this as if psychic- they would probably have thought that “North Africa – Italy – then France” method creates a series of “fail-safes” in strategy for the Nazis from they would have been very confident of not losing the war

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Gerard2
  41. @German_reader

    … with the Soviet Union almost an afterthought in Hitler’s world view (which would seem very questionable to me).

    He is actually highly respectful of Soviet industrial and organizational accomplishments.

    I might try to write a review in the next couple of months. Thankfully Thorfinnsson’s poasts have been a good refresher.

  42. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Sure if it’s the same or similar price,I guess there is no danger to buy newer GPU.

    But nonetheless to say, with a 6 years old mid-range CPU, probably at best it will not attain performance difference of the new GPU over a few years old 1070, and at worse the CPU will bottleneck the new card and stutter (but then you could just set a fps limit at 60, so it will still be ok).

    And I guess you will also try to run the processor at 4.5 or whatever is not too hot for it? and then see how it works with the new GPU. Anyway it will be interesting to read your reports on this.

  43. Dmitry says:

    India might try to collaborate with the UK (BAE Systems) on developing a new fighter plane by 2035.

    Will India and the UK Co-Develop a Sixth-Generation Fighter Aircraft?

    The United Kingdom is slated to invite India this month to jointly develop a sixth-generation fighter jet under the Tempest Future Fighter Aircraft project, according to Indian media reports. British Ministry of Defense (MoD) officials and executives from BAE Systems are expected to brief Indian MoD and Indian Air Force officials on the project during the Aero India 2019 exhibition, which will kick off in Bengaluru in the southern Indian state of Karnataka on February 18.

    “We are looking for international partners to access the best assured capability [for developing the Tempest],” Nik Khanna, the head of BAE Systems India, was quoted as saying by the Business Standard. As to India’s specific role in the Tempest project, Khanna said: “A big cost driver for a futuristic aerospace system is going to be the requirement for more and more software engineers. India has a huge capability in that area.”

    The Tempest Future Fighter Aircraft project aims to design and deploy a sixth-generation stealth fighter for the British Royal Air Force (RAF) by 2035. The project is headed by BAE Systems. Project partners to date include Italian defense contractor Leonardo for the aircraft’s integrated sensors and electronic warfare capabilities, the European consortium MBDA for the aircraft’s weapons systems, and the U.K.’s Rolls-Royce for the aircraft’s engine.

    https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/will-india-and-the-uk-co-develop-a-sixth-generation-fighter-aircraft/

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  44. @Dmitry

    I believe the current plan as to field the much delayed LCA fighter and it’s advanced variants in some numbers thereby stabilizing the production line and then build the AMCA with technical assistance from SAAB(The company from a small country most desperate for new orders and thus most likely to transfer technology.)

    SAAB had also been roped in by S Korea for one of their KFX concepts..

    We would have to be Arab/African level stupid to collaborate with a card carrying leading member of the Anglo MIC(BAE) and expect any other outcome other than spending vast amounts of money in exchange for glorified screwdriver assembly rights with no access to source codes and no significant R&D work for Indian companies/organizations…

  45. @Gerard2

    …and what stopped them from concentrating on defeating the British in North Africa by way of not conducting Barbarossa? Thus saving valuable resources and military power being sent east – particularly with the Italian forces at an early stage in North Africa proving to be not so successful.

    Logistics are the largest reason. Prior to Operation Sonnenblume, the Germans determined the largest force that could be fielded in North Africa and supplied from Italy was just four divisions (compare to the Eastern Front).

    That is not the sole reason of course, as even this Hitler refused to send. The Italians after the war accused Hitler of having a purely “continental” strategic view. Erich Raeder, commander of the Kriegsmarine, suggested taking Gibraltar (with or without Franco’s consent) and expanding into the Mediterranean.

    The German airborne invasion of Crete, while a success, perhaps in a way doomed the small Afrika Korps that Hitler did authorize. Owing to the huge losses at Crete, the Germans chose to cancel the planned invasion of Malta (Operation Hercules). Malta in turn aided the British in interdicting Italian supply convoys to Africa.

    German and Italian troops in Africa always suffered extreme shortages and relied heavily on captured equipment (by the time of 1st El Alamein over 80% of Rommel’s truck park was captured British vehicles). The situation was so bad that Axis troops in Africa even suffered from nutritional deficiencies and were jaundiced.

    The Shah of Iran had come out of support for the Nazis, M-R pact – surely all this secured them a steady oil supply for the short-medium term?

    Sort of. He simply declared neutrality and refused to expel German railwaymen and other technical specialists. Iran also reduced its trade with Germany at the request of the British.

    His actions were considered insufficient, and given the importance of Iran to Britain and the USSR the hapless country was invaded and occupied.

    In any case owing to the Royal Navy there was no way to ship Iranian oil to Germany. In theory Iranian oil could’ve been shipped overland through Turkey, but the British could’ve seized Iran (or just the oilfields) long before any such infrastructure could be built.

    If you are saying that the Kriegsmarine were so outmatched by the British that they were going to get smashed in the Mediterranean sea ( thus making land /air combat in North Africa redundant) then surely you could argue that Wehrmacht combined could have turned the situation by spoiler tactics- engaging the British to such an extent -hurting their oil infrastructure in North Africa, hitting naval oil routes back to Britain – that some treaty over the oil states would have been reached? North Africa was the British Empire’s biggest source of oil.

    The Kriegsmarine did not even have the ability to enter the Mediterranean Sea because the British controlled Gibraltar and Suez. They were able to infiltrate some U-boats.

    The Regia Marina was a fairly large force, but it did not have the same high standards as the British. It also suffered from chronic shortages of fuel and thus often was not able to sortie.

    There was no oil in North Africa then (it had not yet been discovered), and since Italy’s entry into the war convoys from the east had already been routed around the Cape of Good Hope rather than through the Mediterranean.

    An Axis victory in the Western Desert Campaign was in my view possible, but then what? Britain would be excluded from the Mediterranean…but still undefeated. Presumably Axis forces could’ve gone onto Iran, which was Britain’s major source of oil (British Petroleum was originally known as Anglo-Persian), but Britain could also import oil from the rest of the world.

    Let’s not forget that Britain never once entered Poland in WW2, defeating an enemy (positioned 30 km away through the Eenglish Channel) by first defeating them in North Africa, then going through Italy via the south, THEN belatedly going through northern France ( as the Soviets start liberating Europe) is practically an unheard of method of victory in war – very successful in this instance…but one in which if the Nazi’s had known this as if psychic- they would probably have thought that “North Africa – Italy – then France” method creates a series of “fail-safes” in strategy for the Nazis from they would have been very confident of not losing the war

    The British did draw up plans to invade Soviet-occupied Eastern Europe in 1945 in order to liberate Poland, but the plan was not carried out for reasons of sanity. The planners clearly had a sense of humor as the plan was named Operation Unthinkable.

    As a seapower on the edge of Europe with limited amounts of manpower Britain traditionally exerted itself on the continent through its navy and commercial power. It did field a respectable army, but it was never large and always fought in coalition. After the 100 Years War the only time Britain ever fielded a massive army in Europe for many years in a row was in WW1.

    British strategy against Germany was fixed in 1936 to focus on strategic bombing. It was in 1936 that the Air Ministry issued Specification P.13/36 for a “worldwide bomber”. This ultimately led to the Avro Lancaster, superior to the American B-17 and B-24. In order to mollify the French, the Chamberlain government also agreed to send a small expeditionary force (the BEF) to the Continent again as in 1914.

    The Anglo-French plan was to stay on the defensive while strangling Germany with economic warfare. They would then use their superior resources (Britain and France had a GDP 60% larger than Germany and Italy) to eventually overwhelm Germany. This was in effect what had worked in WW1, and the defensive mindset was common to a generation of leaders who had cut their teeth fighting the exceptionally skilled German army and had no desire to repeat the horrors of the Somme and Verdun.

    Yes, obviously this meant that they never intended to lift a finger for Poland. Too bad for the idiot Poles for being duped by the West.

    Unfortunately for their clever plan, the French were unexpectedly completely defeated. In fact, while the Entente expected Poland’s defeat, they also thought Poland would hold out for three months rather than three weeks.

    The British were still focused on their strategic bombing plan (which ultimately developed into a terrifying weapon), but were forced to improvise. As German_reader pointed out, obviously the British alone invading Europe (right after losing all their army’s heavy equipment) to face the entire German army was suicidal.

    In fact the British never wanted to invade Europe again at all after the Fall of France except in peripheral actions meant to advance postwar British strategic interests. They had to be dragooned into invading Europe by America, which was more eager to fight and had superior resources.

    In fairness to the British their strategic bombing plan was sound as demonstrated by the Battle of the Ruhr.

  46. whahae says:

    About a potential monitor upgrade:

    1440 p is very much worth it (4k is only useful if you’re willing to spend a lot of money on monitor and pc upgrades). 120 or more hertz instead of 60 is even more worth it (even if you primarily or only play single player), a real and visible difference.

    • Disagree: WHAT
  47. @Thorfinnsson

    Note: it seems there was some oil production in Egypt. Here are global oil production figures from 1940:

    USA 182.657 Mt
    USSR 29.700 Mt
    Venezuela 27.443 Mt
    Iran 10.426 Mt
    Indonesia 7.939 Mt
    Mexico 6.721 Mt
    Romania 5.764 Mt
    Columbia 3.636 Mt
    Iraq 3.438 Mt
    Argentina 2.871 Mt
    Trinidad 2.844 Mt
    Peru 1.776 Mt
    Burma 1.088 Mt
    Canada 1.082 Mt
    Egypt 0.929 Mt

    Source: https://wayback.archive-it.org/6321/20160901222852/http://digital.library.northwestern.edu/league/le0280ah.pdf

    Oil production of Roumania, Iraq, and Iran is about two-thirds the Soviet level. It certainly does suggest an alternative strategy.

    Possible problems with this strategy from Hitler’s POV in the fall of 1940:

    • Requires extensive cooperation with other countries (Italy, Spain, Turkey, etc.)
    • German arms “wasted” for the benefit of other countries
    • Little grain and no coal to be had in North Africa and the Near East
    • Transportation difficulties
    • Continued dependence on the USSR

  48. songbird says:
    @Hyperborean

    A lot of the “real” Arabs seem to have somewhat tenuous demographics. Not exactly collapsing TFR, but just copious amounts of foreign workers, many of them subcon or Indonesian Muslims who can claim being brothers in Islam. Then there are all the “natives” with heavy African ancestry from Zanj days, (in Iraq, 500,000) as well as those recently arrived Africans who are desperate even to cross into Yemen.

    Their political system is mainly constructed from big men writing checks. Perhaps, tribal politics makes it unlikely that they will write those big checks to Africans and Pakis. They don’t seem to suffer from one-worldism, as the foreign laborers are generally treated like helots and often sex-segregated.

    BTW, Trump is calling for the Golan Heights to be recognized as part of Israel. No wonder he is on Israeli campaign posters! Is there any real difference between him and Bibi?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Hyperborean
  49. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    Trump is calling for the Golan Heights

    Unless later Democrat presidents will reverse it, Trump is giving – or trying to give – all the most serious possible victories to Israel.

    Probably in order of significance.
    1. Trying to recognize Israel’s annexation of Golan Heights, which is rebelling against all previous US governments, and all international consensus. (Golan Heights is perhaps more militarily significant for Israel, than Crimea for Russia).
    2. Leaving Iran nuclear deal (this results in economic sanctions which limit Iran’s expansion).
    3. Moving embassy to Jerusalem.

    However, Israel becomes now a partisan topic in American politics, and is associated with Trump.

    This will contribute to future instability in US attitude to Israel, as Republican become more pro-Israel, and Democrats more anti-Israel, every year. Over a century, amount of time America has Republican presidents and Democrat presidents will be approximately equal – so as a partisan topic, Israel will only be supported so strongly, half of the time.

    Nonetheless, a country like Ukraine would be very happy if it would become even noticed enough to be a slightly partisan topic in American politics.

    Is there any real difference between him and Bibi?

    Netanyahu is less of an Israel partisan – he tried to return the Golan Heights to Syria more than one time.

  50. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Netanyahu is less of an Israel partisan – he tried to return the Golan Heights to Syria more than one time.

    Apparently, it was two times:

    In 1998:
    http://www.danielpipes.org/311/the-road-to-damascus-what-netanyahu-almost-gave-away

    And in 2010:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/netanyahu-prepared-to-hand-back-golan-heights-to-syria-in-return-for-peace-say-reports-8209612.html

    It would have destroyed his popularity – Israel has its only ski resort there.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @DFH
    , @JL
  51. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry

    I think Trump is playing brilliant politics here, and I am no fanboy of his. Democrats are becoming more critical of Israel, but it is still a wedge issue for them, at this time probably the most salient and divisive one. Probably the majority of Democratic voters have a generally neutral-to-negative view of Israel, and now the more strident anti-Zionists (typically younger voters and non-whites) have a voice in Congress with Reps. Omar and Tlaib. But the Dem establishment (embodied in Pelosi and Schumer) is still strongly pro-Israel, and Jewish donors are still a major (really, the major) source of fundraising for establishment Dems.

    This is combustible on many levels: to criticize Omar and Tlaib as a Dem is to open oneself up to allegations of sexism, racism, xenophobia and Islamophobia, which can be lethal to one’s career. To support or even tolerate them is to risk alienating Jewish money. All this occurs against the backdrop of Israel taking an increasingly hard line on the settlements and the question of identity, especially if Bibi is re-elected. And Omar and Tlaib, far from being fringe back-benchers, are hip and popular; along with AOC, they have possession of the souls of the young and non-white voters that the Dems are utterly dependent on.

    The Democrats are totally schizophrenic on this issue, and Trump knows it. So he will continually try to up the ante, to push any kind of pro-Israel legislation he can think of, to goad Omar and Tlaib into making more brash statements and to goad the Dems into voting against Israel. He hopes that there will be more intra-party struggle sessions and that they waste time drafting resolutions against each other. And then, come 2020, he will run ads in Florida marketed towards elderly Jews positioning himself as the greatest Zionist since Ben-Gurion. Trump is a piss-poor legislator but he is brilliant in PR.

  52. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    What evidence do you have FDR wasn’t completely committed to fighting?

  53. @Anonymous

    Jewish crypsis means that they always have to adapt ideologies which are not explicitly pro-Jewish, only implicitly so. But the ideologies have lives of their own, and they could always easily turn out ultimately anti-Jewish. For example Bolshevism turned out to be less good for the Jews than originally imagined. Similarly with multiculturalism, it will likely be negative for the Jews, longer term.

    But they never seem to be smart enough. They are not very good at universalistic thinking, and so they don’t really understand the direction of these ideologies even as they already start turning on them. See the numerous Jews supporting Bolshevism still in the early 1950s, long after it ceased being good for the Jews.

    Some Jews might already see it, but they still usually cling to some parts of the old and already useless (in fact, outright dangerous) ideology.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  54. @Anonymous

    Orbán also seems to consider this strategy: trying to get the Israeli Jews on his side. It might work, though as the Israeli tirade against Poland shows, it’s not an easy thing to pull off.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    , @Anonymous
  55. WHAT says:
    @Hyperborean

    Well, the first one is a sensible tactical advice on wedge formations, I kid you not.

  56. LondonBob says:

    German manufacturing PMI comes in at just 44.7. The global economic slowdown continues, China and the Eurozone bearing the brunt.

    I forecast a no deal Brexit shortly further hitting the Eurozone.

  57. LondonBob says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    An invasion of France in ’43 would have been disastrous. We had the benefit of experience from Dieppe to know how risky it was. Had the Panzers deployed sooner the actual invasion in ’44 might have similarly ended in disaster.

  58. Gerard2 says:
    @Gerard2

    Thanks for that…. very interesting.Basic and lazy errors about oil from myself there – my apologies!

  59. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mikhail

    RFE/RL is a Russophobic cesspool paid by the US government.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  60. neutral says:
    @Anonymous

    He is also supporting and endless stream of non whites entering America (whether they are legal or illegal the end result is the same), which means Democrats win. He lied to his base, he is a fraud and also a moron politically. He cared more about what happens to faraway Israel instead of whites being persecuted in the land he is officially supposed to represent.

  61. @songbird

    Their political system is mainly constructed from big men writing checks. Perhaps, tribal politics makes it unlikely that they will write those big checks to Africans and Pakis. They don’t seem to suffer from one-worldism, as the foreign laborers are generally treated like helots and often sex-segregated.

    The many of smaller Gulf states are like 70-90% non-core population, granted some of that will be expats, who while not exactly favourable to the native Arabs won’t be hostile.

    I don’t think anything serious will happen as long as the KSA has the power to intervene, but if Saudi Arabia gets embroiled in domestic troubles, things might get interesting.

    Even if a gastarbeiter revolt is crushed, given that the Gulf Arabs haven’t worked for generations, the small countries would face a lot of economic instability.

    An amusing anecdote about Arab hypocrisy (beyond the anal sex that is): One of my elder brothers, who works for a large corporation, was stationed in Qatar and he told me that in order to access deviant beverages forbidden to natives some Arab men would discard their Bedouin dress and put on suits and then walk into establishments that are allowed to serve alcohol to foreigners.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  62. LondonBob says:
    @Hyperborean

    Obesity is the issue to look out for, the ones I see around Knightsbridge are enormous and gorge themselves on cakes whilst avoiding any form of exercise.

  63. @Anonymous

    And then, come 2020, he will run ads in Florida marketed towards elderly Jews positioning himself as the greatest Zionist since Ben-Gurion. Trump is a piss-poor legislator but he is brilliant in PR.

    Trump’s actions are consistent with decades of support for Israel.

  64. @Dmitry

    Over a century, amount of time America has Republican presidents and Democrat presidents will be approximately equal

    Not over the next century, I would hazard to predict. But I think your basic point is valid, as its demographic base changes the Democratic Party will be less pro-Israel in the future.

  65. @reiner Tor

    Orbán also seems to consider this strategy: trying to get the Israeli Jews on his side

    On the other hand (hope you have deep pockets):

    DC court says Holocaust survivors can sue Hungary in the US for huge reparations

    The second-highest court in the United States has reinstated a lawsuit brought by a group of Holocaust survivors and their families against the government of Hungary and its national railroad. The class action suit demands restitution for the role Hungary played in the murder of 500,000 Jews and the seizure of their property during World War II.

    Setting the stage for what could be a landmark civil suit running into the tens of billions of dollars, Judge Patricia A. Millett wrote for the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on December 28 that Hungary could not force the plaintiffs to have the case tried in a Hungarian court.

    The decision overturned that of a federal judge who ruled that the 1947 Paris Peace Treaty between Hungary and the Allied powers granted Hungary immunity. . .

    Over the past 20 years, the Hungarian government has made a pretense of allowing Hungarian Holocaust victims to file claims for their losses, said Zell, but he called the payouts “tantamount to a joke.”

    . . . Zell said that the case against the Hungarian government and the national railway, Magyar Allamvasutak, could see a significant financial claim filed on behalf of Jewish Holocaust survivors.

    “We didn’t put a number in this case, but if it goes forward we’ll be asking for tens of billions of dollars of compensation, which is the amount that would be owed based on the value of the property that was taken at the time of the deportations to the camps,” said Zell. . .

    If the case makes it all the way to a final judgment, the plaintiffs would likely seek satisfaction from Hungarian assets in the US or elsewhere, said Zell.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/dc-court-says-holocaust-survivors-can-sue-hungary-in-the-us-for-huge-reparations/

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  66. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    It’s indeed an interesting essay that presents a good, balanced view of the complex motives that precipitated the dropping of two A-bombs over Japan. It frames the question of the morality of the decision, in the eyes of those opposed to it quite accurately:

    that those for whom he use of the A-bomb was “wrong” seem to be implying “that it would have been better to allow thousands on thousands of American and Japanese infantrymen to die in honest hand-to-hand combat on the beaches than to drop those two bombs.”

    Also, throughout the piece the author emphasizes that it’s easier to make judgements after the fact , than to be on the ground fighting a ferocious war faced with pragmatic considerations.

    For me, the overriding factor is indeed that so many civilians were wasted. Soldiers are by design created to fight wars, civilians are not. This is one of the reasons, I suppose that you are so adamantly opposed to the wasting of Polish civilians in Volhynia by bloodthirsty UPA troops? The principle is the same, only the scope of casualties is so very much larger. Who had the moral authority to shift the soldier’s responsibility over to an unwary civilian population?

  67. @Mr. Hack

    1. The soldier/civilian dichotomy is less than absolute when most of the soldiers are conscripts.

    2. It is very reasonable for states to value the lives of their own citizens over those of foreigners (especially when said foreigners initiated the hostilities against them).

  68. @Mr. Hack

    Civilians fight wars through economic activity which sustains military forces in the field. Their morale also maintains the government which issues orders to said military forces, and the Japanese government in the summer of 1945 was actually quite concerned about this. Hence the Anglo-American strategic bombing doctrine.

    Debates over the morality of the American decision to nuke Japan strike me as extremely silly considering that America (and Britain) had already been carpet bombing Axis civilians (and even non-Axis civilians) for years. The Anglo-Americans also imposed naval blockades on the Axis (and the WW1 Central Powers), including on food and medicine.

    Frankly, dying from an atomic bomb strikes me as greatly preferable from being burned alive by fire bombing. Operation Meetinghouse, the fire bombing of Tokyo, immolated 100,000 people. What the Anglo-Americans did to Dresden is of course well known.

    As such I am forced to conclude that the real motive for decrying the usage of the atomic bombs is atomophobia. These faux humanitarians rarely have issues with incendiary and high explosive bombs.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  69. DFH says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The principle is the same, only the scope of casualties is so very much larger.

    It’s not similar at all: the atomic bombs were dropped out of military necessity (I realise people dispute this), massacring 100,000 Polish civilians was because of Ukranian nationalist fantasism and bloodlust

    • Replies: @AP
  70. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Civilians fight wars through economic activity which sustains military forces in the field.

    You make a good point here. If I remember correctly from my college history courses, civilians weren’t regularly targeted during wartime until the 20th century? I realize that I’m being naive to hope that wartime activities could be curtailed to resemble those of medieval times, when it was almost a 9 -5 job, with weekends and holidays off (without pay?).

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  71. Mr. Hack says:
    @Hyperborean

    The Leokrem add works for me – more Vitamin D please. 🙂

  72. @Mr. Hack

    Civilians have been routinely targeted in warfare since warfare has existed. The earliest “wars”, between tribes of hunter-gatherers, had the aim of killing off the other tribe’s men in order to seize all their women and hunting lands. The development of agriculture made the men useful as slaves and spared their lives, at least the younger ones.

    There have been at various times wars and rules of wars which make efforts to spare civilians, and there have been wars in which targeting civilians do not make military sense (owing to rapid military victory in the field).

    Common civilizations historically have developed rules of war and fought many wars over “honor” in which these rules were generally respected. Classical Greece, Medieval Europe, Europe from 1648-1914, etc. The rules tend to crumble in long, bitter conflicts (see the American Civil War). They also aren’t observed by outsiders, which was a chronic problem Christians faced when attacked by Vikings (who wouldn’t follow rules like allowing enemy forces an unmolested river crossing) or when anyone faced the Mongols.

    What really changed in the 20th century was the development of airpower. You can be sure that someone like General Sherman would’ve been thrilled to carpet bomb civilians had he possessed an air force.

  73. @German_reader

    I don’t believe that our being the dominant world power has made us any better as a nation in the most important metric, which is moral excellence – arete. I drive from Pennsylvania to the Midwest and see a heartbroken place of absurdly unreasonable decay.

    Although some of the paleocons, like Pat Buchanan, really don’t have a big problem with American foreign policy until relatively recently. Buchanan is rather quietly a bit of a Russophobe, at least by today’s dissident right standards. Guys like that don’t seem to mind being less than isolationist, but they do decry the decline in the nation’s interior. Maybe this is what Trumpism is really all about.

  74. @Thorfinnsson

    Because he is citing Ron Unz’s essay about the 1940 Presidential election, this means he means that an “isolationist” Republican (not Wendell Wilkie) wins the 1940 Presidential election. Senator Robert “Mr. Conservative” Taft of Ohio for instance.

    There was a great paranoid Jewish perspective about the 1940 election in which Charles Lindbergh somehow gets the GOP nomination and becomes President. The perspective was in a novel by Philip Roth called ‘The Plot Against America.’ Luckily no characters spend time acting out sexual fantasies with baked goods or plants, as in other Roth novels.

    Since the novel was written by a bizarre person (Roth), obviously the heinous criminal Lindbergh creates an anti-Semitic America, or something.

    Bill Kauffman wrote a very funny and derisive review of this book

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/heil-to-the-chief/

  75. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    You’re obviously correct about the inclusion of civilian casualties during ancient times. What I had in mind were the ‘rules of war’ that you allude to, most likely primarily developed in Europe, which I only half sarcastically describe in my description of war during medieval times.

  76. Random

    If anyone likes sports but hates SJWs, I recommend watching the American NCAA D1 wrestling national championships, currently in progress in Pittsburgh. Most of the remaining action is available on ESPN.

    Most of the wrestlers are macho straight white males, so it’s fairly refreshing and a nice contrast from virtually every other sport now.

    Wrestling is somehow still one of the last frontiers in America for men. Although when I watch youth wrestling, I see an increasing number of matches involving boys wrestling girls. Because the wackos have to ruin everything. I get such a weird feeling in my stomach, an involuntary response, when I see girls wrestling boys. It’s just not right, man.

    The other great countries in wrestling today are Iran and the countries between Iran and Russia. Russia wins lots of medals, but it seems most of their wrestlers are ethnic Chechens, Ingush, Ossetians, whatever. Countries like Japan have a decent tradition too.

  77. @Thorfinnsson

    -93% of railway equipment (locomotives, freight cars, wide gauge rails, etc.)

    !!!

    Good grief!!

  78. @Thorfinnsson

    Gallup opinion polling in 1939 also asked Americans if they should help their British “blood brothers” which I found interesting.

    You’re obviously more knowledgeable than I on statistics to do with America, Germany, and Britain in that period of history. With that said, my perception is that Americans of generic “British ancestry” (I mean including people like the Scotch-Irish, who once produced the thoroughly anti-English Andrew Jackson) became more fond of Great Britain as time wore on.

    My ancestry is primarily 18th and 19th century German immigrant stock, so I vaguely perceive a difference between myself and British heritage Americans. Those Americans sure as heck don’t seem to have been terribly philo-English in the middle of the 19th century, although (according to Civil War historian William Freehling) there were pockets that favored England, in places like South Carolina. But South Carolina was always something of an anomaly, even in the South. And in general, this concept of “blood brotherhood” seems like a relatively recent conception. And considering that we had a war scare with Britain as late as the 1890s, I wonder if it was all but within the last 20 years or so before World War 1.

    I also wonder if this “blood brotherhood” idea was very much secondary to the main reason Americans accepted the Second World War, which was the “back door” with Japan. The First World War’s 1917 entrance seems more likely to have been inspired by some supposed tie of kinship.

    I’m hesitant to make much heavy judgment, though. What do you think?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  79. The thing holding me back from upgrading my PC is that I have the last AMD process that doesn’t have the hardware backdoor. I just can’t sleep at night knowing there’s a guaranteed backdoor on my system.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  80. @Thorfinnsson

    Sherman’s record is a bit ambiguous, in fact. His conception of “hard war” was different from “total war.”

    Joseph T. Glatthaar’s book ‘The March to the Sea and Beyond’ is a good one to read. In it, we learn that Joseph Wheeler’s Confederate cavalry, who did not draw any rations from the CSA government from early 1864 until the war’s end, lived off the Georgia countryside more thoroughly than most of Sherman’s troops.

    Most Georgia hamlets that got burned were burned because someone shot at the army from a barn or something. And North Carolina got off fairly easy, due to having been the last state to secede.

    The march’s infamous reputation in Georgia was actually merited, probably, only in South Carolina; many of the Union men cursed SC for starting the long war and so let their inhibitions drop.

    In Columbia, SC, Sherman’s officers posted guards to protect buildings, but the drunken soldiers simply overwhelmed them with numbers of “firebugs” who threw torches into the homes.

    Even some Southerners, though, admitted that many local civilians – of both races, interestingly! – willingly sold whiskey to the passing soldiers, which exacerbated their rage.

    Of course, even then, all of this has nothing in comparison to the average war in the Balkans.

    Among Union generals, Sheridan and Custer were far harsher in the Shenandoah Valley in 1864 than Sherman ever was. Sherman genuinely seems to have liked Southerners, apart from politics; Braxton Bragg was a close friend, and Joseph Johnston was a pall-bearer at Sherman’s funeral. But Sheridan (whom I hate) and Custer would have both liked carpet bombing the Southern civilians. Sheridan and Custer’s burning of the valley also inspired the totally ruthless Confederate cavalry raid on Chambersburg, PA, which resulted in the burning of the entire town except, oddly enough, the local Masonic temple.

    (By the way, the favorite hobby of Confederates invading Pennsylvania and Maryland was to capture local blacks and sell them into slavery – nice little throwback to the ancient days, eh? When they tried this in Greencastle, PA in 1863, a mob of local farmers attacked the rebels and freed the Union prisoners and 10 or 20 blacks they were driving through town.)

    Know who else would have liked carpet bombing? Stonewall Jackson. Jackson’s been called the ‘Southern Cromwell’ for good reason.

  81. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    And just for the record:

    Custer had it coming at Little Big Horn

    Good for you, Cheyenne primitives

  82. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    Bari Weiss (American Jewish centre-right columnist and staunch Zionist) did a fawning piece on Israel’s Blue and White coalition for the NYT, and one of the main reasons she cited for admiring them is that, unlike Bibi, they won’t be friendly with Orban and Bolsonaro.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/19/opinion/netanyahu-israel-yair-lapid.html

    This is unironically the level many American Jews work on with regards to Israel: please reconquer all of Judea and Samaria, but don’t you dare be friendly with some guy who said mean stuff about gays! Palestinian blood is unimportant compared to having a designated prayer space for women at the Western Wall.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/11/opinion/religion/israel-women-western-wall.html

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @German_reader
  83. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I don’t have roots in this country, but I don’t think the idea of kinship between Britons and heritage Americans is a 20th century invention. This kinship however was not taken to mean that there should be an alignment between America and Britain given the then substantial ideological differences between the two countries (as Tom Paine, himself born in Britain, pointed out).

    An example from the 19th century during the Great Exhibition:

    The lock controversy continues a subject of great interest at the Crystal Palace, and, indeed, is now become of general importance. We believed before the Exhibition opened that we had the best locks in the world, and among us Bramah and Chubb were reckoned quite as impregnable as Gibraltar— more so, indeed, for the key to the Mediterranean was taken by us, but none among us could penetrate into the locks and shoot the bolts of these masters. The mechanical spirit, however, is never at rest, and if it is lulled into a false state of listlessness in one branch of industry, and in one part of the world, elsewhere it springs up suddenly to admonish and reproach us with our supineness. Our descendents on the other side of the water are every now and then administering to the mother country a wholesome filial lesson upon this very text, and recently they have been “rubbing us up” with a severity which perhaps we merited for sneering at their shortcomings in the Exhibition.

    There were also many reports of American sailors (up to and including US Navy warships exceeding their orders) in the 19th century risking life and limb to fight Japanese and Chinese on behalf of British sailors with kinship as the stated reason.

    Britain faced a number of challenging strategic decisions as the Fin de siècle approached, and its leaders decided to appease America. That appeasement has continued right to the present day.

    British appeasement satisfied America’s leaders, and what was later known as the “Eastern Establishment” in turn had developed deeply co-mingled interests with Britain owing to the financial relationship between Wall Street and the City of London. That Americans and especially their leaders were then largely of British stock made the decision to support Britain in both World Wars that much easier.

  84. @B.P Bollocksworth

    Have you tried turning your PC off at night?

  85. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Good points–I should’ve named Sheridan over Sherman.

    Presumably Winfield Scott, architect of the Anaconda Plan, would’ve approved of strategic bombing.

  86. Dmitry says:
    @Anonymous

    I agree Trump is very clever in marketing (I was sure he was going to be President already when I first saw him talking about it in 2012 in YouTube).

    However, he is not cynical. He believes his policies, like tariffs, Israel and border walls.

    Some of these are consistent for all his life. You can see him discussing trade protectionism in the 1980s on television.

    With Israel, the reason everyone knew he was going to be the most pro-Israel American president (before he became president), was because he was personally funding Israeli settlements since 1981.

    His name is in townsquares in two settlements in Israel as a largest donor to their establishment

    He wins awards like:


    He led “Salute to Israel” parade in 2004 (lol how does this exist?)


    In 2006, he spent $44 million to buy land in Israel

    Donald Trump completes $44m purchase of Elite site

    https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-1000105798

    Just searching now for this topic, and saw he bought 4 ambulance cycles for Israel in 2014 (there’s probably a lot more things like this):

    Beer will be meeting with Trump at his office tomorrow to get the check that will pay for the four new ambucycles.
    Beer commended Trump for his donation, adding “he is a true lover of Israel.”

    https://www.vosizneias.com/154841/2014/02/10/new-york-trump-to-donate-rescue-bikes-to-israels-united-hatzalah/

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  87. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    What is (are) the best book(s) about the American Civil War?

  88. LondonBob says:
    @reiner Tor

    Shelby Foote’s The Civil War: A Narrative.
    James MacPherson’s Battle Cry of Freedom for a Northern perspective.

  89. LondonBob says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Cromwell and Jackson strongly encouraged religious devotion in their troops, viewed themselves as instruments of God as well as being the two generals who shone out the most in their respective civil wars. I am not aware that Cromwell committed any atrocities, the only three I am aware of are the massacre of Bolton residents by Royalists, and the massacre at the siege of Basing House where Cromwell was the commander and some womenfolk camp followers who were killed at some battle. Cromwell’s conduct was exemplary, despite Irish and Royalist black propaganda otherwise.

  90. @Thorfinnsson

    General Sherman would’ve been thrilled to carpet bomb civilians had he possessed an air force.

    iirc Sherman’s orders during his campaign in the American South were mostly aimed at destroying property like plantations, railway stock etc. The number of civilians killed by his forces wasn’t that high.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  91. @reiner Tor

    I second LondonBob’s recommendation of McPherson’s Battle cry of freedom, probably the best single-volume history of the war (and it isn’t a purely military history, but devotes a lot of attention to political issues, with the first 300 pages or so dealing with the political crises of the 1850s and the 1860 election).

  92. @Anonymous

    but don’t you dare be friendly with some guy who said mean stuff about gays!

    In regards to Orban (or Polish right-wingers, or really any kind of European nationalist, no matter how moderate) the issue isn’t homo stuff or other liberal pieties, but rather insufficient grovelling before the altar of eternal Jewish victimhood. The appointed role for Europeans here is that of descendants of Holocaust perpetrators who have to perpetually abase themselves, accept the multicultural restructuring of their societies (so Jews can feel safe/enact their vengeance), and are somehow exspected at the same time to swallow all the ahistorical myth-making of Zionists and uncritically support Israel (because Jewish nationalism is for some reason apparently the only legitimate nationalism).

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Anonymous
  93. @German_reader

    John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan already corrected me on that point, but the correction does not rule out the connection of Sherman’s March to the Sea with 20th century strategic bombing.

    It does admittedly rule out morale bombing, which would include the atomic bombings. Most infamously RAF Bomber Command has a doctrine of “dehousing” specifically intended to demoralize German workers. That said even Bomber Command’s “area bombing” was often targeted at industrial concentrations.

    American strategic bombing doctrine was specifically focused on industrial targets until Curtis LeMay adopted a modified British approach to Japan.

    Civilian casualties were higher than earlier forms of economic warfare, but that was owed to the inaccuracy of high altitude bombing.

  94. @German_reader

    The current, bizarre Jewish campaign against Poland is a case in point–and exceptionally weird.

    If anyone can compete with the Jews in WW2 victimhood it’s the Poles.

    But now we learn that Poland shoah’d the SIX MILLION…

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @utu
  95. Gerard2 says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    thanks for that – very interesting. Big and lazy errors from myself about oil production during the war – my apologies!

  96. @Thorfinnsson

    The current, bizarre Jewish campaign against Poland is a case in point–and exceptionally weird.

    Much weirder though imo is that there’s so much gentile support for Jewish nationalism, even though there’s almost zero reciprocity.
    There are tons of gentiles who get very, very emotionally invested in their defense of Israel and Zionism, not least on the so-called right (it’s of course especially bad in the US where things are just grotesque, but there are many such people in Europe as well, across the political spectrum). I don’t understand the psychology of those people.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Denis
    , @Dmitry
  97. @German_reader

    The successful “Judeo-Christian” psyop along with the suppression of negative information about the Jews explains this.

    To the ignorant but patriotic Westerner Israel appears to be a kind of fellow Western country struggling against evil Muslims and demented liberals. This sort of person is completely unaware of the fact that Jews (at least diaspora Jews) hate him.

    The situation in America is particularly bad owing to the sheer number of Jews here as well as the weird heresy of Christian Zionism.

    There is admittedly some reciprocity from Israel itself lately. Netanyahu has been cozying up with the Visegrad group, Trump, Bolsonaro, etc. This draws outraged condemnation from the diaspora.

  98. @for-the-record

    This court case has been going on for at least five (or maybe ten?) years now. It has been thrown out of court at least once, though it’s probably the furthest it has ever come.

    The case itself seems to be, on the face of it, quite ridiculous: they are suing the Hungarian State Railways for its role in the holocaust. I mean, it’s not like the state railways company was in any position to make decisions or anything. Regarding the Hungarian government. It’s not like Hungary (whose lawful prime minister had to hide in the Turkish embassy, and then was arrested by the Germans and sent to Mauthausen) was in any position to resist the Germans. Regarding the lost property: all Hungarian citizens lost all or most of their property between 1944 and 1961 (the final collectivization), and they didn’t regain any of it. Regarding the amount demanded: sure, it’s like present-day Hungarians (the oldest of whom were all very young in 1944) should pay a year of their GDP to a few hundred or thousand survivors, or the descendants of the survivors (who arguably didn’t suffer anything – they were born after the thing happened…)

    If the goal was to increase anti-Semitism, then sure, dude.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  99. Gerard2 says:
    @Dmitry

    but are you saying that he’s so pro-Israel that it accounts for his heavily anti-Russia policy( in that Russia is aligned with Syria and semi-aligned with Iran)? Or that he’s forced into this by the rest of American apparatus?

    As for Russia and Israel – I’ve always viewed the relationship as broadly , positive, but Israel have at times assisted either the state or individuals in Gruzia and Ukraine that are hostile to Russia….and I did note with interest that when practically every western state sent their most important leaders to Shimon Peres’s funeral…..not a single one of Russia’s big politicians went there – not VVP,Medvedev, Lavrov, Matvienko, Volodin . Obviously the US sent everyone, Fra, Spain, Germany ,UK, Italy all sent their PM/Presidents and constitutional monarchs – but nobody for Russia

    Poroshenko did though, laughably go to that march in Paris in solidarity over the Charlie Hebdo killings .

  100. LondonBob says:

    Major General JFC Fuller wrote a few books on the American Civil War, for a strictly military assessment then you can’t beat the analysis of arguably the twentieth century’s preeminent military theorist.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  101. Anon[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry

    Yeah, most people get very tense when they have to ski abroad. I mean, look at the Saudis and Qataris – they have to make artificial snow! And the shithole countries, without any kind of snow, real or artificial, are SO SAD!

    And the lack of ski resorts is even more painful if you are talking about Jews, some of the most sporty characters this planet has spawned.

    Just like the Saudi entity has spread over the last 150 years from nothing, the Jewish entity is spreading its creep in its proximity. Luckily, they are both in a place cursed by nature and inhabited by morons, so almost no one care about the precise border, and the few who don’t like it, can’t do much. If they would visit us only for ski and snow, the rest of the world would be a better place.

  102. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    See the numerous Jews supporting Bolshevism still in the early 1950s, long after it ceased being good for the Jews.

    It’s an autistic theory of mind.

    What you believe is influenced by emotions and this has a racial component particularly when minorities want stronger position in society. Ideologies which favor the latter,may have a more rosy emotional coloration (i.e. seem more attractive).

    But people cannot actually believe or not believe in truth of something, on basis of “racial interest and longterm conspiracies”. They believe it because they believe it is the true description of reality.

    Marxism was more religion than political theory, and like Christianity a Jewish-originated religion – (it’s structure almost the same as Christianity), whose liberation was universalist. And people who believed it, believed because they thought it was universally true and factual description of reality.

    It was designed for educated people of the era, designed to be easy to believe (supernatural explanations are hidden by Hegelian concepts like “dialectic”), and for Jews it gave opportunity to “completely assimilate” (covert to a kind living Christianity, rather than the formal one which no longer had influence in the world).

    Attraction of Marxism for Jews, precisely is to escape both their external and internal position as Jews, and dissolve into a universal faith and utopia.

    Minus utopia, of course, this is what will have occurred with much of (or most?) Jews believers of Marxism. Their grandchildren today, will usually be 3/4 Slavic, and their great-grandchildren, 7/8 Slavic.

    The “racial interest” to convert to Marxism was to dissolve an unpleasant and dangerous position as Jews, to become important citizens, and this is what happened for a large proportion of them.

    Similarly with multiculturalism, it will likely be negative for the Jews,

    Multiculturalism is intrinsically attractive for a large proportion of any population.

    Putin is not Jewish, but he loves multiculturalism almost as his main religion. Merkel is not Jewish, and loves it. Obama not Jewish and loves it.

    It was one of the ideologies which has included both sides of the Cold War. If you think this is only attractive to Jews, and not something intrinsically and universally attractive to a significant proportion of people, then you will soon be confused (unless you extend the conspiracy to include all these people like Putin and Merkel being controlled by Jews).

    Multiculturalism is definitely a “utopian” ideology though, and will soon collapse against reality in most countries.

  103. DFH says:
    @Dmitry

    Israel has its only ski resort there

    It’s like another Shoah!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  104. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Multiculturalism is definitely a “utopian” ideology though, and will soon collapse against reality in most countries.

    Because it’s so utopian and unrealistic, it’s going to be always attractive and almost ineliminable with a proportion of the public. Demand for utopian things is eternal.

    The way to solve will probably happen on the supply side – which would be substitution an equally utopian and unrealistic ideology for multiculturalism (as multiculturalism had earlier substituted for Marxism).

    I guess the new gay religion is already partly substituting, although it’s too compatible with the multiculturalist religion, to push it out.

    Of course, ideologies cannot be created on this cynical basis. You need to actually believe them to create an effective ones.

  105. @Dmitry

    Multiculturalism is intrinsically attractive for a large proportion of any population.

    It’s true that there is significant support for multiculturalism among white gentiles, and the importance of any Jewish influence on the emergence and spread of the concept can certainly be debated (though I believe it’s not non-existent, see e.g. Horace Kallen). However imo you miss one important distinction. A white gentile in favour of multiculturalism and lax immigration controls will usually appeal to some abstract universalist ideal, there’s no sense that he’s in favour of it because it’s good for his own group (usually he thinks he doesn’t have a own group, the aspiration is that we’ll all be merely “human”). By contrast, many Jews explicitly state that they’re in favour of multiculturalism and high immigration because they think it’s good for them as Jews (e.g. Yascha Mounk explicitly linked his support for mass immigration to his feeling of alienation as a Jew when growing up in Germany, and says things like “A society that is welcoming to Muslims, is also welcoming to Jews” – he’s clearly arguing from perceived self-interest, and arguments of that kind are common among spokesmen of Jewish organizations).

    It was one of the ideologies which has included both sides of the Cold War.

    Multiculturalism and “antiracism” were around during the Cold war, but only exploded in significance after the Cold war. The 1980s were very different from what came later, a kind of Indian summer for the white world.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  106. Dmitry says:
    @DFH

    They have missiles on them there so

  107. Epigon says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    While one shouldn’t excuse German hubris and poor intelligence, the fact that the Red Army had assembled more tanks and aircraft than the rest of the world combined was certainly shocking to everyone.

    Those “total numbers” are bogus when one looks at the breakdown by type, vintage and condition in June 1941.https://i.imgur.com/TcTCtCl.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/rolbqEC.png

    A lot of very advanced Soviet weapons did appear in 1940-1941 (not just the T-34 but also the ZiS-2 57mm anti-tank gun, the M1939 85mm flak cannon, the A-19 122mm field gun, the Yak-3, etc.)

    ZiS-2 – discontinued because German tanks similarly powerful to KV-3, KV-4 didn’t materialise – instead, thousands of Pz. II, Pz. 35, Pz. 38, Pz. III and Pz. IV with 30 mm frontal armour invaded.
    ZiS-2 had very high MV, high barrel wear, and would go right through them.
    T-34-57 Tank Destroyers were discontinued for the same reason.

    The most dangerous adversary for Allied and Soviet tankers – PaKs, Panzerjaeger detachments (both towed and self-propelled) and StuGs. Tank vs. tank warfare was advised against – Rommel, Guderian and Mainstein being explicit about it. In 1941 whenever Panzers met head-on with Soviet tank brigades, they suffered badly. The key in Barbarossa was being on the strategic offensive, attacking along unsuspected axes, deep-striking with Panzers at vulnerable targets and letting the Infantry mop up the survivors. Soviet mechanized corps would be ordered to counterattack, break encirclement, react to German advances and then go right into prepared German positions. Strategic offensive+high strategic mobility = Tactical defensive = Victory. Arracourt was the exact same thing, Americans reached same conclusions post-war.

    T-34 was actually supposed to be a pre-production/early version to learn the lessons and educate workshops. According to original planning, it was supposed to be replaced by T-34M starting with July 1941, and completely gone from production by November 1941. The L-11 armament you quote had no problems with early German AFVs – they were that thin-skinned.

    Yak-3 was introduced in 1944. Yak-1 was not even the standard fighter in 1941, let alone there being enough frontline pilots traind to use them – most were accustomed to I-153 biplane and I-16 monoplane.

    The Il-2 also entered service that year but Great Patriotic War mythology aside it was a bad aircraft and should not have entered service.

    Better CS than Ju-87. All CS aircraft are hopeless in conditions of hostile air superiority – Stuka suffered horribly both in 1940 over Low Countries and France, and in Channel and over Britain.

    One of the reasons the T-34s encountered in 1941 were not a threat (aside from bad training, bad manufacturing quality, and bad deployment) was that Kulik deliberately sabotaged their anti-tank armament by supply an inferior gun and reducing the allocation of shells to the tanks.

    Oh, but it was a threat. And a hell of a threat. You see, by far the most numerous AT weapons in the invading army were 3.7 cm PaK and KwK. They were useless against T-34 from all angles and at all combat ranges. The 5cm L/42 of tanks was inadequate as well, while L/60 needed either APCR or lucky side shot.
    More T-34 and KV-1 were destroyed by their own crews and abandoned than were lost in direct combat in 1941 – this being the key of the advantage the side which is on the strategic offensive enjoys – it gets the spoils of battlefield. This will become obvious in 1943, 1944 when German Heavy tank battalions suffer 30-40 tank losses in a single day – their repair shops got overran – and Germans didn’t count a tank as a loss until it disintegrated or was captured by enemy.
    So a horse-drawn, dominantly foot infantry army with puny 3000-something Panzers, PzJg, StPz and StuG, with light Panzer divisions with a single tank battalion (your vaunted doubling of number of Panzer divisions in 1940-1941 was achieved by halving the tank component per Pz. division) drastically outperformed the Big Cat, Wunderwaffe army of 1943-1945.

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  108. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    “A society that is welcoming to Muslims, is also welcoming to Jews” – he’s clearly arguing from perceived self-interest

    Jews can be a bit like Alawites in Syria. Assad government always talks about religious tolerance, secular state and multiculturalism of Syria.

    This is less utopian, than self-interest. (Only in secular, multinational, multireligious Syria, can Alawites with 10% of the population, rule over Sunnis with 80%). With Jews, there can be this cynicism as well.

    By far the funniest example of “cynical anti-racist” is Viatcheslav Kantor. He is an ordinary corrupt oligarch, who wants to secure his money by becoming internationally indispensable (like how Abramovich did with football). So renamed himself “Moshe” and suddenly discovered international role as a noble Jew and, anti-racist campaigner.

    However, I don’t think most Jewish liberals in rich countries like America, are cynical in this. They are mainly quite utopian people, who had bourgeois families, studied in private schools, and very comfortable lives, where they never saw any wars or violence. All this creates soft, utopian people.

    Someone above says why they angry that Netanyahu is friends with Orban. The reason is because they are utopian and self-angelizing their image. Therefore if Israel is associated with Orban and Jews =Israel, their self-image is destroyed. (I understand why Orban has a bad image with American anti-racists, but why multinationalist Putin has is a mystery).

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @Hyperborean
  109. @LondonBob

    Thanks for the recommendations!

  110. Epigon says:

    Serbs somehow manage to be universally hated and demonised by Diaspora Jews, while having close and friendly relations with Israelites.

    In 1990s, Diaspora Jew dominated media and lobbysts somehow managed to present Serbs as Holocaust perpetrators, Nazis and fascists to general public in USA. This is even more impressive when one is aware of the fact that Serbs fought under Yugocommunist ideology and red star while Croats fought under Ustashe insignia, Ustashe banner, adopted Ustashe currency and Ustashe military units and ranks; Bosniaks happily embraced SS Handschar and Kama, Islamic declaration and Mujahedeen. Even today, when census data is freely available and undisputed, the propagandistic notion of Serb “genociders” and “ethnic cleansers” spread by “Free World” “Liberal Media” persists – 1+ million Serbs were cleansed from their homes from 1991 to 1999.

    At the same time, Israel sent military aid, equipment and intel (Jihadis, Mujahedeen, weapon shipments) to Serbs. The knowledgeable Israelis know that Judah Alkalai was inspired by Serb nationalist resurgence of 19th century, the same phenomena which influenced both the rabbi mentor the secular father of Herzl. Kingdom of Serbia was among the first nations to elevate Jews to equal rights, in addition to becoming the the first nation to support Balfour Declaration in 1917,

  111. Epigon says:
    @Dmitry

    (I understand why Orban has a bad image with American anti-racists, but why multinationalist Putin has is a mystery).

    For the same reason they memed a Montenegrin atheist Yugocommunist and a former US banker as a Serb Ultranationalist Clerofascist, while presenting Islamists, Croat Ultranationalists and Albanian terrorists as anti-fascists, liberals, freedom-fighters and democrats.

    Ideology serves as a cover for geopolitical interests and “Realpolitik”. The dogs barking about racism, fascism, dictators Putin, Assad, Maduro are useful idiots.
    You can’t mobilise your nation for war by saying you want the resources, global power, installation of a puppet government – but start speaking about villains murdering babies in incubators, raping 300 000 women, killing 200 000 people in a year (US claim from 1993 on Serbs in Bosnia), gassing – barrel bombing clowns and hospitals and suddenly – the imbeciles start clamouring for intervention.

  112. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    There may be some element of that (and she does invoke it later in the article), but Weiss specifically names Bolsonaro in the same breath as Orban; Brazil had 0 to do with the Holocaust, has historically been friendly to Jews, and on top of that Bolsonaro is a man with avowed pro-Zionist sympathies! And Weiss hates Trump (as do almost all Jewish neocons), and he is probably the most pro-Jewish pro-Israel the US has ever had.

    The Holocaust is a useful rhetorical tool because it is an issue on which Jews occupy an unassailable moral high ground, but it’s not something the average Jew/Israeli really cares about as it affects day to day life (Israelis have a warmer regard for Germany than vice versa in every poll I have seen). Orban and the Poles are not demonized because of the Holocaust, they are demonized because they refuse to give their full assent to American-style neoliberalism.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  113. @Epigon

    Those “total numbers” are bogus when one looks at the breakdown by type, vintage and condition in June 1941.

    Stated in my post:

    A lot of very advanced Soviet weapons did appear in 1940-1941 (not just the T-34 but also the ZiS-2 57mm anti-tank gun, the M1939 85mm flak cannon, the A-19 122mm field gun, the Yak-3, etc.), but fortunately relatively little of it was in service in 1941.

    ZiS-2 – discontinued because German tanks similarly powerful to KV-3, KV-4 didn’t materialise – instead, thousands of Pz. II, Pz. 35, Pz. 38, Pz. III and Pz. IV with 30 mm frontal armour invaded.
    ZiS-2 had very high MV, high barrel wear, and would go right through them.
    T-34-57 Tank Destroyers were discontinued for the same reason.

    True, but it was still a technically superb weapon and showed the high skill that Soviet weapons designers had achieved.

    The ZiS-2 also reentered service in 1943.

    Yak-3 was introduced in 1944. Yak-1 was not even the standard fighter in 1941, let alone there being enough frontline pilots traind to use them – most were accustomed to I-153 biplane and I-16 monoplane.

    First flight was however in 1941. I brought it up as an example of Soviet engineering prowess. The Yak-3 was one of the best designs of the entire war.

    Other modern fighters were in service (or entering) in 1941 such as the Yak-1, MiG-3, LaGG 3, etc.

    And yes, most types in service in 1941 were obsolete (in harmony with my previous point that little of the modern weaponry was in service at this time).

    Better CS than Ju-87. All CS aircraft are hopeless in conditions of hostile air superiority – Stuka suffered horribly both in 1940 over Low Countries and France, and in Channel and over Britain.

    Don’t agree other than the elementary point of hostile air superiority. The Ju-87 was one of the very few aircraft of the war capable of true dive bombing, which allowed for pinpoint targeting. Rocket attacks by comparison had quite poor accuracy (as did the Il-2’s signature anti-tank bomblets)..

    Large caliber airborne cannons had a lot of potential, but no belligerent in the war fielded a satisfactory platform. The Americans designed the excellent Beechcraft XA-38 Grizzly, but it was not introduced into service.

    Oh, but it was a threat. And a hell of a threat. You see, by far the most numerous AT weapons in the invading army were 3.7 cm PaK and KwK. They were useless against T-34 from all angles and at all combat ranges. The 5cm L/42 of tanks was inadequate as well, while L/60 needed either APCR or lucky side shot.

    Of course, as evidenced by the fact that the Germans ordered the development of new tank and anti-tank weapons in response. The T-34 was one of the most influential tanks of all time.

    So a horse-drawn, dominantly foot infantry army with puny 3000-something Panzers, PzJg, StPz and StuG, with light Panzer divisions with a single tank battalion (your vaunted doubling of number of Panzer divisions in 1940-1941 was achieved by halving the tank component per Pz. division) drastically outperformed the Big Cat, Wunderwaffe army of 1943-1945.

    And this ought to be the last word against military tech fanboys.

    Also, while the tank component of each Panzer division declined, the medium tank component did not. Recall that during Fall Gelb the most numerous German tank was the PzKw II.

  114. @Anonymous

    The Holocaust is a useful rhetorical tool because it is an issue on which Jews occupy an unassailable moral high ground, but it’s not something the average Jew/Israeli really cares about as it affects day to day life

    I don’t think that’s true, it’s clearly a central element of the identity of many Jews (perhaps the central element for many of the more secular ones), it’s not just pretended. And imo it couldn’t be otherwise.

    Israelis have a warmer regard for Germany than vice versa in every poll I have seen

    They also reject any contact with a party like AfD because of its alleged “Nazi origins” (a party that was founded in 2013, when the youngest of Hitler’s voters would have been 100); head of the Jewish World Congress Ronald Lauder has even called for the AfD to be banned. It’s clear that any form of even moderate German nationalism is seen as unacceptable.

    Orban and the Poles are not demonized because of the Holocaust

    The things many Jews say about Poland are far too visceral to be merely the result of political calculation.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Hyperborean
  115. Epigon says:

    Other modern fighters were in service (or entering) in 1941 such as the Yak-1, MiG-3, LaGG 3

    Of these, only Yak-1 stood any modicum of chance against Bf-109F. MiG-3 and LaGG-3 were turkeys.
    It was not until Yak-3/9 and La-5/7 that Soviets matched contemporary Bf-109 and FW-190 models.
    P-39/63 was not Soviet, of course, but it was another very successful Soviet-employed fighter.

    The Yak-3 was one of the best designs of the entire war.

    In its niche role and altitude band, yes.

    However, if I had to choose which WW2 fighter I would fly to battle, I would narrow it down to P-47 or P-38. P-51 Mustang and its trumpeted superiority are part of Bomber Mafia narrative retouching.

    Don’t agree other than the elementary point of hostile air superiority. The Ju-87 was one of the very few aircraft of the war capable of true dive bombing, which allowed for pinpoint targeting.

    Ju-87, Douglas SBD Dauntless, Aichi D3A were dive bombers and employed successfuly. The key to their success was the air superiority they enjoyed. Once it was gone – Vals went down by the dozens with little to show for.

    Stuka was until G model not a good anti-armour, or CS plane due to light armament and lack of armour protection – it would get to the scene, drop its load and be gone. German analogue to Il-2 would probably be Hs-123.

    Rocket attacks by comparison had quite poor accuracy (as did the Il-2’s signature anti-tank bomblets)..

    Yes, achieving a direct-hit with fin-“stabilized” rockets – needed to destroy an AFV – 2-3% hit rates by post-battle evaluation crews. Soviet answer was practical – you drop dozens of bomblets across the general target area – just one hitting was often enough to disable the AFV.

    Large caliber airborne cannons had a lot of potential, but no belligerent in the war fielded a satisfactory platform. The Americans designed the excellent Beechcraft XA-38 Grizzly, but it was not introduced into service.

    Motorkanon solution of Germans, Soviets and P-39/63 was deadly – in my opinion, the German 30 mm already qualifies for large-caliber, and arguably, Soviet 23 mm does as well. In addition, Germans mounted 50 and 75 mm pneumatically and hydraulically operated guns to Hs-123 (semi-automatic, though), while I believe they fitted 50 mm to Me-410 in the Zerstoerer role.
    US 75 mm hand-operated in B-24 and B-25 in the Pacific was improvisation.

    Also, while the tank component of each Panzer division declined, the medium tank component did not. Recall that during Fall Gelb the most numerous German tank was the PzKw II.


    However, there were more Pz.38(t) in total because Slovakia used them as LT-38 in Barbarossa, and 1st Hungarian Tank Division was equipped with them as well – so the single most numerous Axis tank in Barbarossa was – Czech TNHP/Pz.38(t).

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  116. ulysses says:

    Well that’s to be expected, Yang has said he is friends with Eric Turkheimer, one of the leading obscurantists, who has said that knowing about racial differences in intelligence would be akin to knowing how to make atomic bomb. The sort of “science” one would scrape off one’s boot if one were so unfortunate as to step in it

  117. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    In my opinion, at least that is clever – to reject contact with AfD. (Unless AfD seem to be winning an election).

    Putin has been in this stupid decision to have contact with opposition political parties, with government contact with both Marine Le Pen and AfD .

    Le Pen at least, will never be President, so there is no benefit for Russia. The cost of having this contact, was to make Russia and Putin more unpopular with the rulers and journalists of France.

    Merkel is subsidizing construction of Israeli submarines. So if Israeli leadership are not idiots, they should publicly support Merkel 100%, since she is paying for part of their nuclear deterrent.

    Because Israeli leadership* is believing similar things about Muslims, as AfD (you can see Yair Netanyahu’s Twitter to imagine what they say in the Netanyahu house) – it probably itself means Israel should even try to avoid association with opposition like AfD or Le Pen even more


    * Israeli television program, seems more or less the same as Fox News on this topic

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  118. A story to warm the heart of many here:

    New Zealand women wear headscarves in solidarity with Muslims after Christchurch shootings

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-22/headscarves-in-solidarity-with-muslim-women-after-mosque-attack/10929734

    Led of course by their Prime Minister:

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @DFH
    , @songbird
  119. @reiner Tor

    they are suing the Hungarian State Railways for its role in the holocaust. I mean, it’s not like the state railways company was in any position to make decisions or anything

    Well, French and Dutch national railways accepted to pay reparations (in the case of the SNCF, to Holocaust survivors in the US), and they were defeated countries not allies of Germany. So my guess is that Hungary is going to have to go a very long way to ingratiate itself with the US/Israel to avoid a massive settlement.

  120. @for-the-record

    It’s hard to have much respect for a society that produces pictures like that.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  121. @German_reader

    It’s also funny though how that pm shows so much of her hair, defeating the entire purpose of an Islamic headscarf.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  122. @Epigon

    Of these, only Yak-1 stood any modicum of chance against Bf-109F. MiG-3 and LaGG-3 were turkeys.
    It was not until Yak-3/9 and La-5/7 that Soviets matched contemporary Bf-109 and FW-190 models.
    P-39/63 was not Soviet, of course, but it was another very successful Soviet-employed fighter.

    All true, though in my view the largest problem with the VVS relative to the Luftwaffe was pilot training.

    In reading postwar memoirs of Luftwaffe pilots the assessments of the VVS are generally quite poor compared to the RAF and USAAF with certain exceptions.

    This isn’t down to Russophobia either as assessments of the Red Army are generally positive (Tippelskirch and the Soviet zergling myth aside).

    In its niche role and altitude band, yes.

    However, if I had to choose which WW2 fighter I would fly to battle, I would narrow it down to P-47 or P-38. P-51 Mustang and its trumpeted superiority are part of Bomber Mafia narrative retouching.

    P-38 and P-47 were limited to Mach 0.68 and Mach 0.71 respectively in maneuvering. P-51 Mustang was Mach 0.78. Bf 109 and Fw 190 were 0.75.

    RAF test pilot Eric Brown on the the matter:

    We had found out that the Bf 109 and the FW 190 could fight up to a Mach of 0.75, three-quarters the speed of sound. We checked the Lightning and it couldn’t fly in combat faster than 0.68. So it was useless. We told Doolittle that all it was good for was photo-reconnaissance and had to be withdrawn from escort duties. And the funny thing is that the Americans had great difficulty understanding this because the Lightning had the two top aces in the Far East.

    It should be added that as a twin-engine aircraft the P-38 was inherently less maneuverable than single-engine fighters. This was irrelevant when it first appeared as it was the fastest airplane in the world, but as the war went on its speed was surpassed by single-engine fighters. Fortunately that was generally not the case in the Pacific.

    The P-47 was simply too heavy. This did at least make it very rugged and a fast diver. Other than the lack of cannons it was well suited for the fighter-bomber role.

    Other than the unloved (by the Americans) P-39/63 and P-38 all American fighters were also inadequately armed.

    Which fighter you wish to take into battle of course depends on the battle. P-51D superiority was real for the 8th Air Force’s mission. The Spitfire Mk XIV was arguably better than the P-51D, but it was short ranged and thus useless.

    If the P-51D had been tasked with the same mission as the Luftwaffe’s fighters, it would’ve fared poorly owing to its weak armament. Six .50cal BMGs were fine against fighters, but not four-engine bombers.

    Ju-87, Douglas SBD Dauntless, Aichi D3A were dive bombers and employed successfuly. The key to their success was the air superiority they enjoyed. Once it was gone – Vals went down by the dozens with little to show for.

    Stuka was until G model not a good anti-armour, or CS plane due to light armament and lack of armour protection – it would get to the scene, drop its load and be gone. German analogue to Il-2 would probably be Hs-123.

    Types other than the Ju-87 weren’t capable of vertical dive bombing, nor did they have the Ju-87’s automatic dive recovery capabilities. They also weren’t fielded in land warfare, being naval bombers.

    The ideal dive bomber for CS would’ve been something like the Boeing XF8B.

    Hs-129 was useful as it carried a heavy cannon armament less awkwardly than the Ju-87G and also used engines not in demand elsewhere. That said, hardly an ideal type given its low performance. I wonder if the Me-410 would’ve been good in this role.

    Yes, achieving a direct-hit with fin-“stabilized” rockets – needed to destroy an AFV – 2-3% hit rates by post-battle evaluation crews. Soviet answer was practical – you drop dozens of bomblets across the general target area – just one hitting was often enough to disable the AFV.

    Hit rates from the bomblets was also abysmal.

    Motorkanon solution of Germans, Soviets and P-39/63 was deadly – in my opinion, the German 30 mm already qualifies for large-caliber, and arguably, Soviet 23 mm does as well. In addition, Germans mounted 50 and 75 mm pneumatically and hydraulically operated guns to Hs-123 (semi-automatic, though), while I believe they fitted 50 mm to Me-410 in the Zerstoerer role.
    US 75 mm hand-operated in B-24 and B-25 in the Pacific was improvisation.

    Engine-mounted cannon solution was excellent, though it took time to mature. 30mm is I suppose relatively large caliber, but German aircraft with MK 108 cannons were used as fighters and bomber destroyers rather than in the close support role since it was a low velocity gun.

    There was a high velocity 30mm cannon (MK 103), but the Germans were unable to get it to work in the motorkanone role as it was apparently too large for the DB605 engine. The Soviet attempt engine mount a 45mm cannon also failed.

    50mm was indeed fitted to the Me-410 and also to the Me-262. I noted previously that the Me-410 might’ve done some good in the anti-armor role.

    The Italians, British, and Japanese also all experimented with large caliber cannons in the anti-shipping role.

    However, there were more Pz.38(t) in total because Slovakia used them as LT-38 in Barbarossa, and 1st Hungarian Tank Division was equipped with them as well – so the single most numerous Axis tank in Barbarossa was – Czech TNHP/Pz.38(t).

    Pz.38(t) was superior to PzKw II, though of course certainly not a medium tank.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  123. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    She was originally a Mormon, but then she left church because Mormons do not support gay rights.

    What I don’t understand about her, is how these relatively young people, who have never had profession or job, and do not even seem to have family connections, become the leaders of their country.

    Sebastian Kurz of Austria was the first one I saw. He has never had a job and has not completed even a university degree. Yet, he became Foreign Minister at age 27, and Chancellor of Austria at age 32.

    He is one of the least qualified people in Austria, and yet he is their leader?

    And this New Zealand woman, is very similar – although she is at least slightly more qualified (unlike Kurz, she was at least able to finish university degree in communications and politics).

    But she also seems not to have any job or profession in her life, but became leader of the country at age 36 years?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacinda_Ardern

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @WHAT
  124. @Dmitry

    although she is at least slightly more qualified (she has a university degree in communications and politics).

    That isn’t a qualification, in fact having studied something like “communication studies” or “political science” should count as a big fat minus imo.
    It’s not unusual though, many Western politicians today have been professional politicans for their entire lives, it’s a very important reason for the degeneration of our societies that our “elites” consist of useless parasites who would be nothing without their party machines and their patronage networks.
    Also very disturbing that this woman has a Mormon background, something needs to be done to check the spread of that cult.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  125. DFH says:
    @for-the-record

    White Shariah in action.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  126. @DFH

    More like virtue-signalling gynocracy.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  127. AP says:
    @DFH

    massacring 100,000 Polish civilians was because of Ukranian nationalist fantasism and bloodlust

    It was an evil crime but its reason was no worse than that of Hiroshima. Poland occupied those lands planned to get them back after the war. It also planned to ethnically cleanse them, of Ukrainians (at least,m the local Polish organization wanted this done). UPA took the initiative and ethnically cleansed them first, while they had the chance. They did not have bombers and atom weapons, they had peasants with crude weapons. But they were fighting for their lands, on their native soil, not bombing people thousands of miles away from their native lands. I do not justify what they did, but it wasn’t any worse than Anglo-American deliberate targeting and bombing of German or Japanese civilians.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @DFH
    , @Matra
    , @Denis
  128. songbird says:
    @for-the-record

    Reminds me: the Swedish Migration Board has, in theory, opened up Sweden to all Chinese Uyghurs. There are about 11 million.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  129. utu says:
    @AP

    “I do not justify what they did” – Yes, you do.

    • Replies: @AP
  130. @LondonBob

    McPherson is good, but I prefer good old Bruce Catton for a Northern perspective.

  131. DFH says:
    @AP

    I do not justify what they did, but it wasn’t any worse than Anglo-American deliberate targeting and bombing of German or Japanese civilians.

    That’s ridiculous. The aim of dropping the atomic bombs was to force the Japanese to surrender, avoiding hundreds of thousands of American soldiers dying in an invasion (or possibly even more Japanese civilians in a blockade), in a war started by Japanese aggression.
    Torturing and murdering tens of thousands of civilians who posed no military threat as part of a campaign to ethnically cleanse people who had been living there for hundreds of years is not the same.
    The reasons are not at all the same.

    Honestly, when the war in Ukraine started I was quite pro-Ukrainian but now I have grown to understand completely why people hate you (Ukrainian nationalists).

    • Replies: @utu
    , @AP
  132. @reiner Tor

    I hesitate to answer that without thinking about it in categorical terms

    I will say for now that the following come to mind as very good books

    For a one volume political summary, that focuses on 1848-1861, I highly recommend ‘The Impending Crisis’ by historian by David Potter.

    For a longer summary, I quite like William Freehling’s two-volume book ‘The Road to Disunion.’ Freehling focuses on the development of secessionist politics in the South, with enough background info on the North to know what was going on there. He goes into extensive detail and depth on social aspects. You will learn about the many differences between the respective Southern states. Freehling is also rather a fun writer; Potter has lots of good anecdotes, and knows how to write a narrative with pace.

    IIRC, Freehling’s main argument, with which I mostly agreed, is that as white men began to become more egalitarian (towards themselves, that is, not towards other races/cultures – Jackson is a good example), the domestic elitism, so to speak, of slavery inevitably clashed with the larger political culture, including, to a surprisingly large degree, within the South itself.

    David Detzer wrote a fine summary of the actual outbreak of the war – the Sumter crisis. It is called ‘Allegiance.’

    For a summary of the war itself, ‘Battle Cry of Freedom’ is, again, pretty good. I have to admit, though, I’ve mostly read specific topics from the war, and very few summary-type books.

    Shelby Foote and Bruce Catton, again, were the classic popular Civil War writers of the mid 20th century. Being a Northerner (though I have rebels in the family tree), Catton’s Michigan style is appealing to me more so than Foote. Foote was arguably a better writer, though.

    There are copious memoirs from the war. Both armies were, in fact, highly literate. And the guys who could write were much better writers than today’s average people.

    Whatever you do, don’t read Thomas DiLorenzo or Garry Wills. DiLorenzo is a pro-Confederate partisan, while Wills is the kind of guy who tries to interpret Lincoln as belonging to a kind of multicultural liberal tradition. They’re both hacks, though DiLorenzo probably commits more sins offensive to the discipline of history.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Beckow
  133. @LondonBob

    Two things

    First of all, several Civil War generals were better than Jackson. Especially Bedford Forrest.

    as for Cromwell and atrocities, whatever you say, man

  134. Matra says:
    @AP

    This is a very Diaspora Nationalist post.

    • Replies: @AP
  135. Denis says:
    @AP

    UPA took the initiative and ethnically cleansed them first, while they had the chance.

    There are a great many instances of ethnic cleansing, and even genocide, that can be “justified” using the same reasoning.

    • Replies: @AP
  136. DFH says:
    @LondonBob

    I am not aware that Cromwell committed any atrocities, the only three I am aware of are the massacre of Bolton residents by Royalists, and the massacre at the siege of Basing House where Cromwell was the commander and some womenfolk camp followers who were killed at some battle.

    Ummmmmmmm…….. Does the name Drogheda ring a bell?

    • Agree: for-the-record
    • Replies: @songbird
    , @LondonBob
  137. utu says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    bizarre Jewish campaign against Poland

    Big money. Jewish organizations and Israel are hoping to squeeze out of Poland $300 billions for the so called heirless property. The heirless property disposition raises serious legal issues. Who should get it and why Jews? So the argument is being made along the line of Holocaust uniqueness so the traditional and accepted legal norms could be circumvented.

    http://www.codozasady.pl/en/the-issue-of-jewish-heirless-property-demands-extraordinary-measures/

    Applying the general principle of inheritance law that heirless property is acquired by the state to questions of Jewish heirless property in Poland is ill-considered and does not take into account the tragic realities involved.

    Furthermore, moral considerations strongly indicate that alternative solutions to the issue must be found.

    For this reason the cases of some Poles participation in killing Jews are being blown out of proportions is to create a moral foundation for the ethical norm that the murderers may not draw material benefits from the death of their victims.

    Poland is first in line. Other countries in Eastern Europe like Ukraine and Belarus will come next. But they unlike Poland are not ‘ripe’ yet for the racket. Ukraine is too poor and politically precarious, so in the mean time the Banderites, the true Jew killers of Eastern Europe, are being nourished and encouraged to taint Ukraine forever with Nazism and make Ukraine easy picking in the future. Belarus is under Putin’s protective umbrella. Jewish claims against Belarus would push it closer to Russia. Perhaps Putin could ask his buddy Netanyahu to make such claims. At some point we will see Slovakia being hit really hard because Slovakia was the most enthusiastic country in Europe with respect to Nazi Jewish policies.

    Poland was drawn (willingly) into the American sphere of influence with no alternatives left. To make it worse Poland was put (put itself) on the course of conflict with Germany and EU. The recent Polish claims about restitutions from Germany are part of it. It is really just a psy-op directed at Polish public opinion to bring them down to the level of the Jewish vindictive ethics to make them more appreciative of Jewish claims leaving a false promise that once Germany pays (which will not happen) paying the Jews will be easier. Compare that with the letter of reconciliation “We forgive and ask for forgiveness” of 1965 by Polish Bishops to their German counterparts which represents the true spirit of Polish Catholicism.

    Some Poles also entertain illusory rationalization that the Jewish claims will be offset by purchases of American (and Israeli) armaments which they want to buy anyway. Poles go through the standard steps of denial. And they are afraid to talk about it because of fear of being accused of antisemitism.

    One may wonder to what extent the prying off V4 countries from EU and creating the illusory vision of the Intermarium and the vilification of Russia are part of the long term strategy to settle the Holocaust financial claims. When you think about it, whatever Israel and the Jewry are doing to these countries is good for Russia in the long term.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  138. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Anon

    Noticeably anti-Serb as well.

    Shifting gears, for you auto buffs:

    https://www.twelfthroundauto.com/best-motor-oil/

    https://www.youtube.com/user/scottykilmer

    Scotty is hilarious.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  139. WHAT says:
    @Dmitry

    Precisely because she is nothing. ZOG props her up and thus owns her completely, no need for child porn leverage even.

  140. utu says:
    @DFH

    Honestly, when the war in Ukraine started I was quite pro-Ukrainian but now I have grown to understand completely why people hate you (Ukrainian nationalists).

    Poland is taking Ukrainian gastarbeiters and immigrants by millions w/o any gestures of contrition and atonements from Ukrainians for the Volhynia genocide. It is really hard to understand it.

    • Replies: @WHAT
    , @JL
    , @AP
  141. WHAT says:
    @utu

    Beatings of said gastarbeiters are quite widespread though. Maybe it counts as atonement.

    • Replies: @utu
  142. Priss Factor [AKA "Asagirian"] says: • Website

    Gammas. LOL.

  143. utu says:
    @WHAT

    “Beatings of said gastarbeiters “ – not true.

  144. @Dmitry

    Jews can be a bit like Alawites in Syria. Assad government always talks about religious tolerance, secular state and multiculturalism of Syria.

    This is less utopian, than self-interest. (Only in secular, multinational, multireligious Syria, can Alawites with 10% of the population, rule over Sunnis with 80%). With Jews, there can be this cynicism as well.

    The Syrian government is a supporter of secularism and protector of religious minorities, due to self-interest, but they also clearly define Syria as an Arab state.

    Aside from the fact that it is in the formal name of the country (Syrian Arab Republic), before the civil war the government used to stamp out Kurdish identity, like all the neighbouring states, due to fear of separatism and a desire to Arabise the country.

    However, I don’t think most Jewish liberals in rich countries like America, are cynical in this. They are mainly quite utopian people, who had bourgeois families, studied in private schools, and very comfortable lives, where they never saw any wars or violence. All this creates soft, utopian people.

    People who are uncomfortable with honestly thinking in terms of pure utilitarian morality (actions decided on whether this benefits me) can also fool themselves into believing something noble that just happens to support their interests.

    (I understand why Orban has a bad image with American anti-racists, but why multinationalist Putin has is a mystery).

    Aside from everything else, they really, really, hate hate hate Putin for things like Pussy Riot and the “law against proselytising homosexual propaganda” to minors.

    • Agree: utu, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  145. songbird says:
    @DFH

    I’m mystified by the recent spate of apologias for Cromwell. It must have something to do with “Wolf Hall”, but I suspect there must also be some political undercurrent. I’m not familiar with the book or TV show, but perhaps the hint would be there.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  146. @German_reader

    I don’t think that’s true, it’s clearly a central element of the identity of many Jews (perhaps the central element for many of the more secular ones), it’s not just pretended. And imo it couldn’t be otherwise.

    For American Jews at least, the Shoah is the core of their identity. How would it change if we separated it into religious and non-religious Jews? I have a suspicion that secular Jews would care a lot more about it, simply because they have nothing else.

  147. Denis says:
    @German_reader

    It is because they are projecting their nationalist inclinations wrt their own countries onto Israel.

    From the point of view of an uninformed westerner (especially in the Anglosphere), Israeli Jews are a group of white, pseudo-Christian people fighting a bunch of brown Muslims. Throughout the west, it is more-or-less socially unacceptable (for white people) to complain about non-white immigration, or to express any sentiment that could possibly be construed as racism; so, those who hold those sentiments but can’t express them properly project them onto Israel, since supporting Israel is perfectly acceptable. In doing so, they use Israel, which they imagine to be a semi-western, semi-Christian country, as a proxy for their own country. This is why they get as emotional as they do; they are (probably subconsciously) mentally substituting Israel and Israelis for their own countries and their own people.

    It’s pretty retarded.

    • Replies: @Byrresheim
  148. @Mikhail

    This is just an affiliate marketing site. It’s not like he’s actually testing or even reviewing the motor oil.

    I’ve always used Mobil One.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  149. Epigon says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Regarding P-38 and P-47, you fell for a post-war propaganda effort.
    P-38 having counter-turning propellers meant it could outturn every single-engine fighter in the right turn.
    In addition, using differential throttle settings, P-38 flown by expert pilots (instructed by travelling advisers like Lindbergh) could outmaneuver even Japanese nimble fighters, the most maneuverable of the fighters employed in WW2 in “common knowledge”.
    No, the Americans knew what they were doing in Pacific – the British pilot was given crappy export P-38 without turbosuperchargers, and suffers from common British illness of Spitfiremania.

    And be certain that no fighter “maneuvered” at 0.75 Mach. This claim is very dubious by itself for P-47 – it was precisely P-47M which could threaten Me-262 via boom-and-zoom and shallow dive speed accumilation.

    Also, P-47 operating as a fighter-bomber was an atrocity. It was designed as a high-altitude, long-range interceptor and escort fighter maximizing energy fighting. The complex and expensive turbosupercharger it carried (engineering achievement and masterpiece) that enabled it to outperform supercharged competition was literally deadweight at low altitudes.

    Its fancy hydraulic control surfaces optimized for high-altitude, high-speed maneuvering was ill-suited for ground-level combat.

    The thing was very expensive (almost twice the price of Mustang), armoured, resistant to damage (air cooled radials vs. liquid cooled inlines) and heavily armed.

    Have a look yourself: https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/38801.html

    Comments are goldmine as well.

    https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/54434.html

    Also, Yugoslavia had post-WW2 late Spitfires, Yaks and P-47. P-47 winner in 9/10 situations. It could outclimb opposition post 6000 m altitude, accumulate energy due to higher ceiling and better high-altitude performance, build up speed via shallow dive and then prey upon hapless opposition in mock fights.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  150. @ Anatoly:

    If the rumours are true, then AMD will annouce their new mainstream/mid-end GPU “Navi” & the new Ryzen 3000 series on the May 1st. Depending on how agressive AMD goes with the price, it will force Intel’s & Nvidia’s hand. Retailers might start sell-off campaigns.

    When you can wait until then, you might get your hand on some better performance/price-matrix.

  151. @songbird

    It must have something to do with “Wolf Hall”

    That show is about Thomas Cromwell, not Oliver.

  152. Dmitry says:
    @Hyperborean

    Aside from everything else, they really, really, hate hate hate Putin for things like Pussy Riot and the “law against proselytising homosexual propaganda” to minors.

    1. Pussy Riot – was a stupid repression. But it is not different than what Theresa May, or New Zealand, etc, are doing to politically incorrect people. If anything, Western European governments are all aligned with the Russian government in these topics.

    And Russian government is significantly less repressive, than what e.g. Spain does to Catalan politicians and dissenters. Spain’s recent behaviour, is really repressive and anti-democratic, in a way Putin has not yet reached fortunately.

    As for the “hate crime” prosecutions which are in countries like UK. This is very similar to Putin’s policies, but in some dimensions it could possibly be more extreme in Western Europe than in Russia.

    In other words, these stupid cases and political prosecutions of people, there is not provided any special distinction between the Russian government and Western European governments. Both are equally bad in these topics.

    The distinction is more between restricted free-speech of most of Europe (including many countries in Western Europe) and the free-speech absolutism of America.

    2. “Law against proselytising homosexual propaganda” – is far less extreme, than the policy of many countries, which Western liberals do not concern with – whether we are talking about the whole of the Muslim world, or countries like India, China, etc, which are probably the same in this topic as Russia, and countries like Cuba, Bolivia and Venezuela, which will be much more repressive.

    Also, Putin’s views on these topics are just aligning with typical opinion in the country, so there he is just being a representative politician in this area, not pushing any particular personal views.

    Sexual minorities, of course, live better in the Russian Federation (in terms of sexual minority rights), than in the USSR.

    During the Cold War, I’m not aware that America used the politics of sexual minorities to criticize the USSR, because the policies of the two countries were the same.

    Western media has of course exaggerated the differences even today, in the typical histrionic way of journalists.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  153. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Israel’s actual reality is painful, frustrating tolerance and liberalism anyway, where people who hate each other are forced to live together. And it’s one of the most multicultural and multi-religious countries, which is exactly what creates nationalist tensions and violence there. It’s a multiethnic nightmare – opposite of what voters actually want (homogeneous, conflictless, European countries, like Poland or Hungary).

    To go back to Israel and AfD.

    Israel’s main problem in external policy, is that it has very bad relations with most Muslim countries, and moderately bad one with liberal countries.

    Israel’s diplomatic priority should be to improve its relationship with Muslim – within limitations of its being in conflict with Muslims.

    That’s one of the most important things for Israel’s survival – to improve its relations with Muslim countries.

    So Israel should definitely not try to create relationships with anti-Muslim European political parties, unless those parties are going to be influential in the government of their countries, preferably powerful countries.

    As long as anti-Muslim parties are in the opposition, Israel will be idiots to be associated with them.

    As a similar lesson – Russia should not associate with opposition political parties in Europe, anti-Muslim or pro-Muslim, unless they will actually win an election and become powerful. When Russian government officials were associating with political losers like Marine Le Pen, the effect was both bad for Marine Le Pen, and bad for Russian external policy (reducing its influence) in France.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  154. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Degrees in politics and communication, may not be intellectually difficult to attain – but she at least completed the course, unlike Sebastian Kurz.

    Both her Sebastian Kurz, have never had a job or profession though. But she has a university qualification, which can be a test of having normal IQ and literacy. She has something on her CV under “Education”.

    Her ascension to become the most powerful person in her country at 37 years old, is shocking. And even Sebastian Kurz becoming leader of Austria at 32 years is even more shocking.

    our societies that our “elites” consist of useless parasites who would be nothing without their party machines and their patronage networks.

    But neither her nor Kurz, are from any elites, which is how it becomes even more difficult to understand.

    They don’t study in prestigious schools, or have any important family. They never had jobs in their life. They have no academic or intellectual ability. They don’t have unusual personalities, or charisma, or original policies. And they reach the country’s highest position while they are 30s. (Kurz second highest position, while he was 20s). Lol wtf.

    Mormon background, something needs to be done to check the spread of that cult.

    Obviously, Mormon beliefs are idiotic even by religious standards. But their external behaviour can be desirable. Salt Lake City, for example, is described as one of the best cities to live in America.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Thorfinnsson
  155. @Dmitry

    So Israel should definitely not try to create relationships

    That’s not the point (I’d actually agree), the point is that Israeli representatives and spokesmen of Jewish organizations have gone out of their way to validate the view of AfD as an illegitimate party of Nazis that ought to be crushed.
    There was a bizarre incident last year when former Mossad agent Rafi Eitan (one of those who captured Eichmann) met with AfD members in Germany and had friendly words for them – he was strongly condemned by the Israeli ambassador for that and eventually retracted his statements. Admittedly that also shows that Jewish views on those issues aren’t monolithic, and to some extent I can even understand Jewish wariness about right-wing movements in Europe (there have been a few cases of explicit antisemites in AfD, though those have been isolated and AfD also has a few Jewish members). But still, on the whole the behaviour of official Jewry is really tiresome.

    That’s one of the most important things for Israel’s survival – to improve its relations with Muslim countries.

    It’s unfortunate that Israel has picked the very worst Islamic countries, Saudi-Arabia and other Gulf states, for that project, it definitely makes a mockery of all those “Israel is a bulwark against Islamism” claims (though the same is of course true on a much larger scale for the US, and also for the dubious ties of European countries to those regimes).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @LondonBob
    , @Dmitry
  156. @Dmitry

    1. Pussy Riot – was a stupid repression. But it is not different than what Theresa May, or New Zealand, etc, are doing to politically incorrect people. If anything, Western European governments are all aligned with the Russian government in these topics.

    But there is a difference. Pussy Riot are good people politically speaking while the UK arrests hateful people, so from their perspective there is a fundamental difference.

    Also, Putin’s views on these topics are just aligning with typical opinion in the country, so there he is just being a representative politician in this area, not pushing any particular personal views.

    Which simply makes ordinary Russians complicit in Putin’s sins.

    countries like Cuba, Bolivia and Venezuela, which will be much more repressive.

    Cuba’s government is rather liberal:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/19/cuba-removes-support-for-gay-marriage-in-new-constitution-after-protests

    >>>>

    You are correct in pointing out the blindspots and hypocrisy, but it is not as if they feel obliged to be consistent.

    It is much easier simply to hate renegade white countries like Russia, Poland, Hungary, Italy or whichever European country is next to go rogue.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  157. @Dmitry

    But neither her nor Kurz, are from any elites, which is how it becomes even more difficult to understand.

    They don’t study in prestigious schools, or have any important family. They never had jobs in their life. They have no academic or intellectual ability. They don’t have unusual personalities, or charisma, or original policies. And they reach the country’s highest position while they are 30s. (Kurz second highest position, while he was 20s). Lol wtf.

    It is not so surprising for party machines to function like this, the surprising thing to me is their age.

  158. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    I think a distinction should be made between Israelis and American Jewish Zionists; they share common goals and work together, but their values are often very different (Israelis more pragmatic, conservative and “race realist,” American Jews more liberal, dreamy and idealistic). Also the relationship is very asymmetric (Israel depends to a large degree on American goodwill and support but has essentially nothing to offer America in return). Reading about the Blue and White Coalition, it seems to me they are basically offering Bibi’s policy but with symbolic and verbal concessions to American Jewish sensibilities (e.g. not palling around with Bolsonaro and Orban). The example you cite with AfD may be a similar dynamic: many Israelis may see AfD as sympathetic, but to associate with a fringe far-right German party is bad optics and may cost you American support, and as Dmitry points out is worthless from a strategic point of view.

    The relationship between Israel and KSA is I think a good example of this dynamic: neither side can formally ally itself with the other, in fact they are still officially hostile (KSA bars not only Israeli passport holders but anybody with evidence of travel to Israel), but they still have similar goals and their respective leaders will work together behind the scenes when necessary.

    I genuinely have no idea what the Israeli position on right-wing parties in Europe is, or even if they have a unified position. On the one hand these parties often have vague pro-Israel sentiments which is certainly better than the overtly pro-BDS position of a lot of the European left, but there is obviously a lot of negative historical baggage as well (has Marine Le Pen really renounced her father?). Is opposition to Muslim immigration to Europe a good thing or a bad thing for Israel? What about opposition to the EU? Whatever position they strike is sure to be one of pure self interest, but the calculation seems ambiguous. I agree with Dmitry that their pose is probably to remain on good terms with whomever is currently in power, and that they will try to avoid alienating the Americans (Chuck Schumer et al)

    Tl; dr I think the Israelis themselves are mostly realpolitik, but their dependence on America forces them to pay lip service to American neoliberalism and utopianism

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @utu
    , @reiner Tor
  159. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Thorfinnsson

    I’d like to see the specifics behind that rating as well, which varies by different categories for best oil:

    – synthetic
    – conventional
    – 0-20
    – blend
    – high mileage (75, 000 and over) synthetic

    A more detailed venue:

    https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

    On the subject of engine oil for cars, I’m of the view that as long as you put in the recommended weight and change within a reasoned time, there will be no problems, whatever you use: Amazon, Walmart, Mobil, Royal Purple….. This view excludes driving a car with regular temperatures at single digits and less.

    If the manual calls for full synthetic, then by all means use it.

    More important is the quality of the oil filter. Offhand, the Mobil extended life and Fram full synthetic filters seem like the best options. Royal Purple oil filters are considered as good if not better. Its price is noticeably higher when compared to the aforementioned other two which sell at Walmart for around $10.00.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  160. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Noteworthy the Israeli relationship with Russia versus the position taken by the likes of Engel and Schumer.

    • Replies: @utu
  161. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Supporting the alt-right wing parties in Europe is what Israel wants to do. They can’t let the left-wing parties fall in love with Muslims in particular to the point of being against Israel. At the same time Israel will be supporting flooding the Europe with Muslims and the alt-right partie job is to do the fanning of Islamophobia. If there is not enough of it few terrorist attacks can always be arranged. Israel needs a repository of nationalist like Anders Breivik or Brenton Tarrant to prod them to action when some pro-Muslim and anti-Israel politicians have to be called to their senses. This in turn helps the left-wing parties to crack down on racism, anti-Semitism and freedom of speech. It is a win win tactics for Israel. Israel is playing a game of creating conflicts, keeping up the tensions, divide et impera and then offering apparent solutions.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  162. utu says:
    @Mikhail

    Noteworthy the Israeli relationship with Russia versus the position taken by the likes of Engel and Schumer.

    This is a part of bigger game plan. For Putin the only road to Washington goes through Jerusalem and vice versa for Trump.

  163. JL says:
    @utu

    Perhaps they feel solidarity in their hatred of Russia, something that exists much more in the here-and-now, and this allows them to overcome historical enmities.

  164. JL says:
    @Dmitry

    Israel has its only ski resort there.

    Starting this year, there is now a direct flight between Tel Aviv and Sochi. The ski resorts there have been inundated with Israelis, to the extent that Hebrew will be, by far, the language you are most likely to hear after Russian. Sochi is, apparently, a superior substitute to the Alps; closer, cheaper, and Israelis don’t need a visa to visit Russia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dmitry
  165. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @JL

    Israelis don’t need a visa to visit Russia

    Really? That’s interesting. They need one to visit the US (although the reverse is not true).

  166. @Anonymous

    Israelis (…) pay lip service to American neoliberalism and utopianism

    If it were only lip service, they wouldn’t be so active in denouncing parties like the AfD.

    has Marine Le Pen really renounced her father?

    Yes, she has even kicked him out of the party. What else do Israelis want?

    And it’s not like Le Pen was Hitler. He said some bad things about Jews.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  167. @Dmitry

    It’s one thing to avoid association with AfD, it’s another to actively denounce it to the point of actively pressuring Jews who had slightly friendly contacts to it. Israelis do the latter.

  168. @for-the-record

    I don’t think it’s possible to appease them to the point that they stop the lawsuit. After all, those participating in it probably don’t care enough for Israel to renounce their billion dollar claims. People are rarely fanatical enough about anything that they would be willing to renounce billion dollar claims for it. The lawsuit is just a fact of life like an earthquake.

    Another interesting angle is American judicial overreach. When Belgium started issuing arrest warrants against people like Ariel Sharon, it was ridiculous. But America actually has the strength to make its courts the arbiters of justice about events which happened three quarters of a century ago in countries which the judges never saw (nor do they know particularly much about it from secondary sources), under circumstances unimaginable to them (or American legislators or law enforcement agencies), etc.

    One would think it’s dangerous for Jews to push the holocaust reparations issue any further at this point, but they don’t seem to care. Maybe they think they can pull it off forever. Or at least for several decades into the future. The latter seems certainly likely.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @for-the-record
  169. LondonBob says:
    @DFH

    Obviously you aren’t aware of what happened when fortified position were stormed, see Badajoz. Any actual examples where Cromwell committed atrocities or is that it?

    • Replies: @DFH
  170. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    Don’t Afd have relations with Pamela Geller and the dark zionist money coming from the US to ensure any nationalist movement doesn’t go the wrong way? Normally they obsess about Muslims but stay silent on immigration from Africa like Tommy Robinson.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  171. DFH says:
    @LondonBob

    It’s not the same since Cromwell condoned massacres at Drogheda, Wellington did not at Badajoz.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  172. @German_reader

    That show is about Thomas Cromwell, not Oliver.

    I am assuming that Songbird knew that, and was implying that the Cromwell “family” name had somehow been rehabilitated by the program.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  173. @Dmitry

    It’s an autistic theory of mind.

    Projection. See:

    But people cannot actually believe or not believe in truth of something, on basis of “racial interest and longterm conspiracies”. They believe it because they believe it is the true description of reality.

    In reality, people usually find it easier to believe what is good for them or which is compatible with their other beliefs. In my experience Jews (and, to be honest, other highly committed nationalists – I have noticed similar things with Hungarian nationalists) often cannot imagine that what is good for them can be neutral or even negative for any universalistic metric.

    So Jews will not even notice that there is a difference between a Jew who explicitly argues that multiculturalism is good because it’s good for the Jews and a gentile white who argues that it’s good because it’s morally good. Interestingly, even you didn’t notice it. Contrary to your assertion, those Jews are rarely cynical, because of course they also use universalistic moral arguments. They don’t even notice that the two are not the same, or that at least in theory there could be a contradiction.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  174. @utu

    Israel is playing a game of creating conflicts, keeping up the tensions, divide et impera and then offering apparent solutions.

    And all the while distracting world attention from what’s going on in the “Occupied Territories”.

  175. LondonBob says:
    @reiner Tor

    Hungary should start suing Israel for Communism.

  176. LondonBob says:
    @DFH

    Well after the appalling massacres of English and Scottish settlers in the Irish uprising there was always likely to be a reaction, an element missing at Badajoz. Still no other examples? Cromwell actually enforced strict punishment for stealing when the New Model Army campaigned in Ireland.

  177. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    Related through Thomas Cromwell’s sister who was Oliver’s grandmother, or something along those lines. The maternal name was adopted as it was beneficial to be associated with Thomas.

  178. LondonBob says:
    @for-the-record

    It was already rehabilitated a long time ago, the Cromwell statue was erected around 1900 outside Parliament.

  179. @LondonBob

    Don’t Afd have relations with Pamela Geller

    No idea. My impression is there are several wings in AfD (also true for other matters). You’ve got people who are basically thinking along the same lines common here (e.g. Assad and Russia are good because they’re killing jihadis, Israel and the US are hypocrites who secretly support them).
    On the other hand, you’ve got people in AfD or AfD’s orbit who think it’s a good idea to criticise Merkel and other members of her government for not being deferential enough to Trump and the US or supposedly selling out Israel’s security to evil Iran.
    The basic problem imo is that even among “alternative” media outlets (which in fact are often critical or hostile to AfD, but are nonetheless read by many AfD voters, because there’s not much else) you’ve got a lot of pro-Zionist pieces which present a rather selective picture of the facts. One of those sites Tichy’s Einblick is basically running at least one such piece every week, repeating all the propaganda lines (Iran is building nuclear weapons and threatening peaceful Israel and the good Muslims of the Gulf states). Another site Achse des Guten is strongly influenced by Henryk M. Broder, a son of Holocaust survivors (whose sentiments are predictably anti-German, if you look closely enough, which many people don’t do), who was a strong cheerleader of the 2003 invasion of Iraq (basically you were just an unreconstructed Nazi if you didn’t agree with the invasion) and is also constantly warning about Iran. Unfortunately many people are unable to shake off their conditioning and uncritically swallow those arguments, attacking Merkel (who in general has been absolutely disastrous) for one of the few issues (the Iran nuclear deal) where her stance is actually defensible imo.

    • Replies: @utu
  180. utu says:
    @German_reader

    ISLAMOPHOBIC U.S. MEGADONOR FUELS GERMAN FAR-RIGHT PARTY WITH VIRAL FAKE NEWS
    https://theintercept.com/2017/09/22/german-election-afd-gatestone-institute/
    But one of the major publishers of online content friendly to the far-right party is an American website financed in large part and lead by Jewish philanthropist Nina Rosenwald.

    Rosenwald’s site, the Gatestone Institute, publishes a steady flow of inflammatory content about the German election, focused on stoking fears about immigrants and Muslims.

    The Sugar Mama of Anti-Muslim Hate
    https://www.thenation.com/article/sugar-mama-anti-muslim-hate/
    Philanthropist Nina Rosenwald has used her millions to cement the alliance between the pro-Israel lobby and the Islamophobic fringe.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  181. @utu

    I know, I’m wary of those people.
    But tbh, I don’t have a problem with Islamophobia in principle. I’m an Islamophobe myself. And Merkel’s policy really has been disastrous and will lead to Germany’s destruction. She is undoubtedly one of the worst figures in German history.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Grahamsno(G64)
  182. New evidence, perhaps, that would finally confirm the charge of collusion in the 2016 US Presidential election:

    As Russia collusion fades, Ukrainian plot to help Clinton emerges

    Ukraine’s top prosecutor divulged in an interview aired Wednesday on Hill.TV that he has opened an investigation into whether his country’s law enforcement apparatus intentionally leaked financial records during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign about then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in an effort to sway the election in favor of Hillary Clinton.

    The leak of the so-called black ledger files to U.S. media prompted Manafort’s resignation from the Trump campaign and gave rise to one of the key allegations in the Russia collusion probe that has dogged Trump for the last two and a half years.

    Ukraine Prosecutor General Yurii Lutsenko’s probe was prompted by a Ukrainian parliamentarian’s release of a tape recording purporting to quote a top law enforcement official as saying his agency leaked the Manafort financial records to help Clinton’s campaign.

    The parliamentarian also secured a court ruling that the leak amounted to “an illegal intrusion into the American election campaign,” Lutsenko told me. Lutsenko said the tape recording is a serious enough allegation to warrant opening a probe, and one of his concerns is that the Ukrainian law enforcement agency involved had frequent contact with the Obama administration’s U.S. Embassy in Kiev at the time . . .

    Lutsenko’s interview with Hill.TV raises another troubling dynamic: The U.S. Embassy and the chief Ukrainian prosecutor, who America entrusts with fighting corruption inside an allied country, currently have a dysfunctional relationship.

    In our interview, Lutsenko accused the Obama-era U.S. Embassy in 2016 of interfering in his ability to prosecute corruption cases, saying the U.S. ambassador gave him a list of defendants that he would not be allowed to pursue and then refused to cooperate in an early investigation into the alleged misappropriation of U.S. aid in Ukraine.

    Lutsenko provided me with a letter from the embassy, supporting part of his story by showing that a U.S. official did in fact ask him to stand down on the misappropriation-of-funds case. “We are gravely concerned about this investigation for which we see no basis,” an embassy official named George Kent wrote to the prosecutor’s office.

    The State Department on Wednesday issued a statement declaring that it no longer financially supports Lutsenko’s office in its anti-corruption mission and considers his allegation about the do-not-prosecute list “an outright fabrication.”

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435029-as-russia-collusion-fades-ukrainian-plot-to-help-clinton-emerges

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  183. AP says:
    @DFH

    That’s ridiculous. The aim of dropping the atomic bombs was to force the Japanese to surrender, avoiding hundreds of thousands of American soldiers dying in an invasion (or possibly even more Japanese civilians in a blockade)

    Sure. UPA wasn’t even trying to invade Poland.

    in a war started by Japanese aggression.

    The Polish state had been occupying Ukrainian lands. It invaded and conquered them in 1918-1919. So that was how the aggression started.

    Torturing and murdering tens of thousands of civilians who posed no military threat

    Incinerating them as was done by Angl0-American bombers to German and Japanese civilians was better?

    The reasons are not at all the same.

    Anglo-Americans burned alive 100,000s of civilians hundreds or thousands of miles from their own home territory, to make their invasion of those lands easier. Ukrainian peasants organized by UPA massacred 60,000-100,000 civilians in an attmept to prevent their home territory from being occupied by a foreign state.

    now I have grown to understand completely why people hate you (Ukrainian nationalists)

    Not a Ukrianian nationalist, nor were any of my ancestors OUN or UPA members.

    Let me guess: as an Englishmen you have come to see these Ukrainians as being like the Irish.

    • Replies: @szopen
  184. AP says:
    @utu

    How so? Since UPA and OUN did not have access to internal Polish documents calling for the ethnic cleansing of those lands (and who knows if this wuld even have been attempted – the local Poles wanted to to do it but the government in exile rejected it), they murdered the Polish civilians in order to prevent the return of Polish rule. Although Polish rule was very unpleasant, it was not nearly sufficiently unpleasant to warrant the mass murder of massive numbers of civilians. There was thus no legitimate justification for this crime.

    My main point was not to justify what UPA did but to point out that their “justification” was no worse than that of the Anglo-Americans who were murdering German and Japanese civilians during that time. Sorry if I was not clear.

  185. AP says:
    @Matra

    No, for diaspora the UPA were heroes and the crimes didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  186. AP says:
    @Denis

    Sure. I condemn what UPA did and hope I did not give the opposite impression. I’ll repeat what I wrote to utu:

    Since UPA and OUN did not have access to internal Polish documents calling for the ethnic cleansing of those lands (and who knows if this would even have been attempted – the local Poles wanted to to do it but the government in exile rejected it), they murdered the Polish civilians in order to prevent the return of Polish rule. Although Polish rule was very unpleasant, it was not nearly sufficiently unpleasant to warrant the mass murder of massive numbers of civilians. There was thus no legitimate justification for this crime.

    My main point was not to justify what UPA did but to point out that their “justification” was no worse than that of the Anglo-Americans who were murdering German and Japanese civilians during that time. Sorry if I was not clear.

    • Replies: @Denis
  187. AP says:
    @utu

    Many Poles realize what their governemnt did in Ukraine in the 1920s and 1930s was also shameful (f not nearly as bad as what UPA did) and thus prefer not to bring up the mid 20th century mess at all.

    There is a Ukrianian (diaspora) national hall not far from where I live where they sometimes host parties where both Ukrainian and Polish off the boaters come. So one can see Poles drinking in a hall with a portrait of Bandera hanging on the wall.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  188. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    How energetic has Israel really been in denouncing AfD? Google isn’t showing me a ton. I see that some wings of Afd are pushing to outlaw male circumcision and kosher slaughterhouses. Even if one supports these positions (and yes I understand that they are primarily directed at Muslims) it’s not hard to see why many Jews would take a dim view of a party that seriously entertained them. Regardless I don’t think Israel is responsible in any significant way for the failures of the AfD.

    Comments like Le Pen’s are just that, comments, not binding decrees with the force of law, but as with e.g. the recent Israeli comments about Poland they are insensitive and ill advised (to say the least).

  189. Dmitry says:
    @JL

    I think there was direct flight between Sochi and Tel Aviv since 2014?

    But the way Israel operates visa-free with Russia (Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus, etc), is perhaps more bad than good.

    They have an open visa regime. But then instead they operate “immigration control” in the airport with Russia/Ukraine/Belarus people, and they particularly deport Ukrainians.

    In response, Ukraine started an airport war , and is doing the same to Israelis.
    https://zn.ua/international/unizhennye-i-vozmuschennye-311939_.html

  190. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    Exactly – my point is your writings appeared autistic. The text appeared to be written by someone who has no understanding of the people he is assigning motives to (or people in general).

    Therefore, the recent projections you made where you were calling people like myself, who didn’t share your political opinions, “autistic normies”. It is an interesting contradiction of terms, as “normies” is the term used by people with autistic spectrum disorders to refer to non-autistic people.

    I think part of this is just reading too much “evolutionary psychology” books. But part of it is obviously a theory of mind.

    Here you believe view that peoples’ ideologies are based in racial self-interest, and that this racial interest can result in complicated longterm conspiracies.

    But then you are confused that Bolshevik Jews still supporting the USSR in the 1950s, when supporting USSR was not “aligned with Jewish racial interests”.

    You then mention confusion that their ideologies go against racial self-interest, and attribute this to their “stupidity” (you can re-read your post) or lack of conspiracy skills.

    I needn’t add the obvious fact, that Bolshevik Jews were still supporting the USSR in the 1950s, because and to the extent they were still Bolsheviks.

    Marx, himself wanted Jews to dissolve as a separate nationality, and believed the end of capitalism will make “Jews impossible”.
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/index.htm

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  191. Mikhail says: • Website
    @for-the-record

    Related:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/03/23/in-ukraine-presidential-vote-joker-wild.html

    Excerpt –

    While Washington applauds Poroshenko’s firm anti-Russian line, his performance on corruption lags in the eyes of US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, who says efforts have “not yet resulted in the anti-corruption or rule of law reforms that Ukrainians expect or deserve.” As reported by Voice of America,Yovanovitch specifically wants Poroshenko to fire his special anti-corruption prosecutor Nazar Kholodnytsky. “Nobody who has been recorded coaching suspects on how to avoid corruption charges can be trusted to prosecute those very same cases,” said Yovanovitch, referring to Kholodnytsky. “Those responsible for corruption should be investigated, prosecuted, and if guilty, go to jail.”

    Yovanovitch may face her own pot/kettle problem when it comes to turning a blind eye to corruption. Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko told Hill.TV’s John Solomon that in their very first meeting Yovanovitch gave him a “do not prosecute” list. “My response of that is it is inadmissible,” says Lutsenko – who is also is also investigating a claim from a member of the Verkhovna Rada that the director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), Artem Sytnyk, attempted to assist the 2016 US presidential election of Hillary Clinton. “Nobody in this country, neither our president nor our parliament nor our ambassador, will stop me from prosecuting whether there is a crime,” continued Lutsenko to Solomon. Yovanovitch has also reportedly badmouthed US President Donald Trump to Ukrainian officials, telling them to ignore him because he’s going to be impeached. Predictably, Secretary Mike Pompeo’s State Department has rushed to the defense – not of Trump, but of Yovanovitch, who has also ruffled conservative moral sensibilities in Ukraine with her showy support for LGBT issues.

  192. Dmitry says:
    @Hyperborean

    But there is a difference. Pussy Riot are good people politically speaking while the UK arrests hateful people, so from their perspective there is a fundamental difference.

    Of course they have their subjective views.

    But it’s still quite ridiculous and useful to look at. Pussy Riot were making some video in a church. And UK arrests people for vandalism in churches.

    Far-right graffiti church vandal jailed for 6 years

    https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Far-right-graffiti-church-vandal-jailed-for-6-years

    Sure one is right politically, and one liberal politically. One has physical damage, while the other is only damage atmosphere.

    But the legal justifications in the courts of the two countries, will be very similar (church is some “holy” place, so it is as a worse than normal hooliganism).

    In the case of Pussy Riot, of course Putin opposed the punishment, or believed it was too much.

    Cuba’s government is rather liberal:

    But not when Fidel Castro, was there (and Castro is still “cool” with Western liberals – credit for Daily Beast that they at least challenge this contradiction).

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-castros-horrific-record-on-gay-rights

    It is much easier simply to hate renegade white countries like Russia, Poland, Hungary, Italy or whichever European country is next to go rogue.

    Orban claims to be in conflict with the Western liberal ideology (although this is partly just election campaigning, his actual policies are classical liberal).

    It is understandable for Western anti-racists or liberals to hate Orban.

    But Putin’s personal ideology is anti-racist and multinationalist. And then the “repressive laws”, are more or less the same as in many Western European countries. Lack of “free speech absolutism” is dividing America from Europe. But not Western Europe from Russia.

    There’s a lot lost in translation, when our “centrist” and “moderate” politician is hated by their “centrist” supporting journalists and citizens.

  193. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Israel has picked the very worst Islamic countries, Saudi-Arabia and other Gulf states,

    Saudi Arabia was paying for suicide bombers in Israel until early 2000s (they transferred $5000 for each Palestinian suicide bomb against Israel).

    Obviously, it is a large improvement in Israel’s security, if Saudi Arabia moderates their view to it (Saudi Arabia was also supporting Chechens in the 1990s).

    Payment of Saudi Arabia for suicide bombings in Israel was ended by Bush pressure after 9/11 (but America was complicit for Saudi support of Chechen terrorists).

    In the case of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel. It’s still politically impossible, for Saudi Arabia to be actually normal relations with Israel – as their education system will have created a population hostile to Israel.

    Saudi Arabia has friendly relations with America, Russia and UK, where they invest billions of dollars, buy weapons, or even their children to study. The relations with Israel are much more secret and they are more like the relations Israel has with Egypt or Jordan (where publicly they are very unfriendly, but privately friendly with the ruler).

  194. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Ironically, I witnessed similar experiences in AZ where large prominent portraits of Bandera and Shukhevych adorned the local Ukrainian hallway. Finally, after some 30 years the portraits were taken down, as the local Polish community would often rent the hall for their own parties. Now, they have their own hall I am told, but the portraits of the two nationalists remain taken down. The ones of Shevchenko and Franko still remain on the walls. Nobody seems to care much, either way. 🙂

  195. @Epigon

    Those links are a great trip down memory lane and have a lot of excellent material, but I compared the P-51’s range to the Spitfire. In fact P-47s were more important than P-51s during the Big Week that broke the Luftwaffe.

    The P-38 having counter-rotating propellers meant that a skilled, properly trained pilot could use differential thrust to escape a single-engine fighter. Useful capability which the Germans sure could’ve used on their twin-engine fighters. Not the same thing as being a highly maneuverable aircraft, hence why SWPA P-38 pilots in the 5th Air Force mainly exploited their tremendous advantage in speed and diving to use boom and zoom tactics.

    Also, while not a knock on the P-38 itself, poor pilot training meant that differential thrust tactics were rarely used in the ETO.

    http://www.ausairpower.net/P-38-Analysis.html

    Eric Brown was the world’s best test pilot of that period and not prone to bias. He liked the Spitfire, but he was fair and considered the P-51 to be its equal. And liking Spitfires was not just a British position. Some of the RAF Eagle pilots that converted to the P-47 from the Spitfire initially hated the aircraft until they learned to exploit its virtues. Adolf Galland also famously told Goering during the Battle of Britain that he would like a squadron of Spitfires.

    The Mach numbers in question related to maneuvering limits in a dive (obviously WW2-era fighters couldn’t fly that fast in level flight) and were caused by compressibility in the transonic range. Since this relates to wing design and not the engines, it doesn’t matter what kind of P-38 Brown was flying.

    Regarding the engines, that was another problem with the P-38 in the ETO. The engines were known in the ETO as the “Allison time bomb”. Bill Knudsen vetoed the effort to equip the P-38 with Merlins, and Allison for various reasons refused to improve the engine sufficiently.

    The Spitfire also had a problem with compressibility (don’t recall the limit) which is why the British designed the replacement Supermarine Spiteful.

    The good news for the P-47 is that it didn’t need to maneuver in a dive because it could dive faster than its opponents thanks to its great weight and R2800 engine.

    The P-47 had a number of features intended for high altitude operation, but these didn’t harm it at low altitude operation other than that they cost money. And actually hydraulically boosted flaps at low altitude might save your life. It’s not like it had a specialized high altitude wing (e.g. as on the Ta-152).

    You do bring up another reason for P-51 superiority however: it was cheaper and easier to maintain. Admittedly not relevant to the pilot in the cockpit, but certainly relevant to the USAAF.

    I don’t believe that a P-47 could outclimb a late mark Spitfire. Griffon-engined Spitfires, by simple physics, would obviously outclimb a P-47. I suppose past a certain altitude the P-47’s turbocharger could’ve provided an edge over the Spitfire’s two-speed supercharger. The Yak-3 obviously would’ve been shredded outside of a low altitude dogfight owing to its inferior engine.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  196. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    In Ukraine, from official levels, most from Yushchenko, they have been rehabilitating all these people, and for recent generation who were in school, it seems they are unaware of any problems in this history of their glorious heroes.

    Poland’s education system probably teaches – more accurately – the opposite.

    So now the stupidly inevitable results

  197. @Dmitry

    Politics is a job. By that standard Kurz is qualified–he has shown a consistent ability to win elections and has worked in politics for his whole adult life.

    People often wring their hands about “professional politicians” (see German_reader), but professional politicians are not new (Bismarck was a professional politician).

    There is often the expressed desire that political leaders should have other qualifications and job experience. Well, the USA elected Donald Trump. He has actually shown a better ability to deal with the media than traditional politicians, but he has not been good at building effective political coalitions and enacting his agenda. Perhaps the lack of political experience is a hindrance.

    Another thing to remember is that Austria and New Zealand are small countries. Austria is smaller than Moscow and NZ is the size of St. Petersburg. So think of Kurz as the Mayor of Moscow and that kiwi slut as the Mayor of St. Petersburg. Still impressive at a young age (especially Kurz!), but not as impressive as the President of the Russian Federation.

    German_reader, like many Germans, has some sort of problem with Mormonism. Mormonism believes in odd things but Mormons themselves are highly functional. The fact that slut left her religion because she worships homo-sexuals is actually far more alarming.

  198. @Mikhail

    I think your view is correct, but given that engine oil is not expensive it gives me peace of mind to purchase the best.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  199. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    political leaders should have other qualifications and job experience.

    Skills learning in the jobs and profession, can be extremely definitive of, and useful for, political leader.

    For Putin – counterintelligence. For Reagan – Hollywood acting. For Obama -community organizing. In the case of Merkel – “quantum chemistry”,

    Merkel’s work in quantum chemistry, perhaps unfortunately, abstracted her mind completely from the normal world.

    German_reader, like many Germans, has some sort of problem with Mormonism

    And their compatriot founded Brigham Young University – perhaps another reason for collective self-punishment
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_G._Maeser

    But I think Mormons, are mainly only being suppressed or arrested in Russia (Jehovah Witnesses are suppressed in many other countries though, not just Russia).

    And in Russia, there is actually now religious toleration. I even see Hare Krishna people quite a lot in public in the city where my parents live, and no-one arrests them, even though they are quite noisy.

    So why are missionaries of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, often arrested? I suspect the authorities have seen some evidence of a connection to the CIA or State Department, at least in relation to their missionary activity in Russia.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @songbird
  200. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I once heard it used as segway.

    I don’t know if Oliver Cromwell was really very different from some men of his day or men who had previously invaded Ireland, like Edward the Bruce or Strongbow. Massacres were probably pretty common, like the Siege of Smerwick, during the Second Desmond Rebellion. Part of my family had a farm on top of a big medieval burial ground – seems to have been a village obliterated by Edward the Bruce and never rebuilt, but history is patchy. What is known is only that he passed by that way.

    Still, I find the revisionism strange because it is not really about Cromwell but specifically about the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland. One contemporary estimate was that 40% of the population of Ireland was killed from war and induced famine. Whatever the true number, (some say only 20%), I can’t help but think that there is some strange political motivation. Either a globalist attack on Irish identity, or else they appreciate his anticlerical activities.

    Where I first heard it was actually on American public radio. Something I really abhor, but someone else was listening to it. On any given day, to hear it you would think it was communists, so it is easy to suspect some political dimension.

  201. @Dmitry

    Skills learning in the jobs and profession, can be extremely definitive of, and useful for, political leader.

    As you pointed out in your comments about the Irkut MC-21 program, there is always the opportunity cost.

    And some skills turn out not to be terribly relevant to politics anyway.

    That said I am a fan of developing many skills. Scott Adams calls this the “talent stack”. It’s generally more useful than becoming a specialist, unless you are the world’s best specialist in your specialty.

    But these skills can be developed in many ways other than so-called “education” or one’s nominal job. While Donald Trump was a real estate developer, for whatever reason he chose to become a skilled celebrity and media personality. This then led to a lucrative second career and followed by success in politics.

    George W Bush, while he grew up in a political family, apparently developed no skills of any kind as a young man–other than excellent social skills. Then in his middle age he became a successful politician, no doubt aided by his lifelong cultivation of social skills.

    People are hoping for some kind of a background that produces philosopher kings, but I don’t believe there is such a background.

    For Putin – counterintelligence. For Reagan – Hollywood acting. For Obama -community organizing. In the case of Merkel – “quantum chemistry”,

    Merkel’s work in quantum chemistry, perhaps unfortunately, abstracted her mind completely from the normal world.

    Reagan and Obama here were simply developing political skills. Acting is obviously useful for a politician, and community organizing is politics.

    Counterintelligence is not politics but is obviously useful in politics, and it’s useful for a national leader. Fortunate for Russia.

    As for Merkel’s background, completely useless for politics or leadership. Perhaps has some relevance in setting policy for science funding.

    Sweden’s Prime Minister was a welder. That’s a “real job”. He’s also a bad Prime Minister and a laughing stock.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  202. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    I view New Hampshire, where state representatives are not given a salary, as being more functional and less corrupt than Massachusetts, where they are given a salary and pension. Of course, there are other factors, like demographics, and many of the most corrupt MA pols are also lawyers.

    Probably, the best solution would be to end universal sufferage, though I have heard some speak favorably of having a political draft.

  203. szopen says:
    @AP

    It invaded and conquered them in 1918-1919.

    Come on. You are claiming that Poles who lived here for hundreds of years INVADED their own homes?

    Also, I’m really dissapointed you are trying to justify thugs who murdered thousands of innocent civilians (including members of my more distant family) – thugs which sometimes sent letters assuring civilians that they are safe and that they do not need to escape, only to attack them later. Somehow, Taras Borowec who founded first UPA had not thought ethnic cleansing was necessary, despite he also wanted to conquer this territories for Ukraine.

    • Agree: utu, DFH
    • Replies: @utu
    , @AP
  204. utu says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t have a problem with Islamophobia in principle

    I do but I am willing to accept it if it would be helping to keep Europe Muslim free. So far it does not and the only outcome of Islamophobia is support of Israel.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  205. utu says:
    @szopen

    The question is why Poland is letting millions of Ukrainians in? Why would Poles want to have somebody like AP as their neighbor? Volhynia genocide was the most disgusting crime of the WWII the way it was conducted. It was a mass orgy of wanton tortures and killings in which masses of regular country folks enthusiastically participated. And all you hear from them are excuses.

    • Replies: @szopen
    , @AP
  206. szopen says:
    @utu

    Massacres mainly happened in Volhynia. Some of Ukrainians there were actually helping Poles. UPA also murdered their own people who refused to cooperate. Hard to blame whole nation for the actions of the few. Of course, UPA glorification is disgusting, but somewhat understandable, given that UPA later was fighting against Soviets, and given there are not many other organizations from that period, and Ukraine is still a young nation.

    Also, I’ve been reading about Civil War in Mozambique and the methods the RENAMO was using to ensure cooperation from the locals (e.g. forcing people to kill their neighbours). Some of them were rather similar to UPA methods.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @AP
  207. fnn says:

    A poll on #WeChat showing how over 2000 #Chinese respondents react to the shooting in #christchurch. In one of the questions, over 56% of them feel extremely sympathetic after reading his manifesto while more than 60% view the event as a revenge rather than terrorist attack. https://t.co/MxYFJx0iPZ— William Yang (@WilliamYang120) March 17, 2019

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  208. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    Acting allowed Reagan to get his gig as host of “General Electric Theater”, which became a long-running TV and radio show. As part of it, he toured 135 GE plants and made speeches in front of possibly 250,000 people or more. I think this was probably more important than his earlier movie career, but I suppose it is hard to separate them.

  209. Epigon says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Counterturning propellers negated gyroscopic forces, precession and P-factor – single-engine fighters had problem turning to one side. P-38 didn’t. The differential throttling was an ADDITIONAL technique P-38 experts could utilise.

    Those Mach numbers you quoted are patently false.
    P-47 was the fastest diving piston engine fighter of WW2, and P-47J and P-47M were fastest piston engine aircraft of WW2.
    As I have already told you, P-47 was better suited for fighting Me-262 than P-51 was.

    Regarding Allisons, V-1710 could be worked to 2500+ HP from 28 litres working volume more reliably than DB605’s 1500 from 35 litres.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  210. @Epigon

    I hate to be a sourcefag but the idea of a large twin-engine fighter having a superior turn radius and instantaneous turn rate compared to single-engine fighters strikes me as extremely dubious. Do you have anything more detailed about this?

    It’s not like the US was the only belligerent to field twin-engine fighters.

    Army Air Forces report: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-38/p-38.html

    b. Inasmuch as the general maneuverability of this aircraft is probably the lowest of any type of current fighter aircraft, and in view of the competition facing the P-38G in the European Theatre, all possible effort should be made to improve its rate of climb and high speed.

    I didn’t dispute the P-47’s high speed diving capability so I don’t know why you’re repeating that. Do you have evidence that the Mach numbers are false?

    The XP-47J was not a service aircraft. The P-47M was extremely fast, tied with the Ta-152 if memory serves.

    I compared the Allison to the Merlin, not the DB605. Since you are a P-38 fan you should be well aware of the “Allison time bomb” issue in the ETO.

    If comparing American (or British) engines to German ones then the Germans get a handicap because they didn’t have 145 octane avgas available.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  211. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Thorfinnsson

    Another important aspect isn’t overfilling, while frequently checking the fluid level. For several reasons, many modern engines consume oil. Overfilling is bad, as is not having enough.

  212. Epigon says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    I would have to dig through books and documents I had read long time ago – but it is imprinted in my mind that in the Pacific P-38 aces exploited P-38 advantage in turning on one side to outperform even the nimble Japanese dogfighters.

    You shouldn’t be too hard on dual-engined planes – take a look at Mosquito in its various outfits, including fighter, and it didn’t have the unique P-38 layout. Similarily, Pe-2 light bombers could successfuly maneuver and evade German fighters (empty, of course) – as has been noted. Generally, the key parameters to take into account are engine power (function of altitude), control surface area, and the “drag area” – not just the cross-section but airfoil layout and total surface.

    I dispute the notion that P-47 was limited to Mach 0.71 during dive, or “maneuvering” as you initially stated.
    P-47 could dive in excess of 500 mph and leave every single piston fighter behind them.
    P-47M was faster than Ta-152.

    Regarding diving, it wasn’t just the final velocity – the immediate acceleration when engaging in maneuver was what counted – IIRC correctly P-51 had ~500 mph redline, while P-47 went beyond that. So, P-51D with its laminar flow wings and cleaner form might ultimately come close to max speed, but P-47 would be near its max dive speed sooner. It would also be more controllable at those speeds. Anecdotal evidence isn’t reliable, but there is definitely something in them when P-47 pilots boasted they only had to lower the nose down, full throttle and be gone – German pilots recognized P-47 diving like a brick from them, while P-51 could be evaded in a Bf-109 and FW-190D

    Also, regarding its turbosupercharger – it was dead weight at low altitudes, while the plane sacrificed a lot to have the ability to carry it – size, wing loading, payload, fuel capacity. Maneuvering at low altitudes with dense air was not the same as at high altitudes – energy bleeding in turns was different, control surface impact was different.

    I am aware of the abysmal performance of P-38s in the Mediterranean and ETO – there was a notorious incident where a green formation of P-38 (early type) were ambushed by Bf-109 Experten with altitude and speed advantage – something like 11 – 0 kill count in that battle.
    The P-38 in Europe had terrible reliability and availability rates compared to Pacific – would be interesting to track engine serial number and origin.
    However, this would actually be in accordance with the very steep learning curve and lopsided ratios of air combat – something like 10% of fighter pilots achieved 90% of all kills – my guess due to 3D nature of combat, need to predict opposition’s moves, react instantaneously and “feel” the plane and its weapons – deflection shooting was a craft.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  213. Denis says:
    @AP

    My main point was not to justify what UPA did but to point out that their “justification” was no worse than that of the Anglo-Americans who were murdering German and Japanese civilians during that time. Sorry if I was not clear.

    Finally, we agree on something! The treatment of the Germans by the allies during and after the second world war was atrocious. Not so sure about the Japanese, though, as they got off relatively light compared to the Germans, despite the terror bombings and the nuclear attacks.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  214. @Denis

    The treatment of the Germans by the allies during and after the second world war was atrocious.

    AP has on numerous occasions justified Poland’s post-war annexations of German territory and the mass expulsions of Germans living there, iirc he used the same argument “It wasn’t as bad as the aerial bombing of the western allies”.
    His views seem to be rather idiosyncratic, I don’t know if there are many other people who view things that way (pro-Polish on one WW-2 related issue, anti-Polish on another). But at least it’s interesting to read.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Denis
  215. @Thorfinnsson

    but professional politicians are not new (Bismarck was a professional politician).

    The problem isn’t with people devoting their life to politics, but with parties making the state their prey through state funding for their party foundations and organizations etc. This creates a parasitic caste keen on defending its privileges at all costs, and also completely alienated from the life experiences of ordinary citizens, since they’ve never done anything but politics. Admittedly some of the alternatives (financing parties through donations of wealthy individuals) are also problematic.
    Bismarck could have lived well as an estate-owner without ever entering politics, he also had experience in the diplomatic service. The mediocrities dominating party politics today are rather different imo.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  216. Dmitry says:
    @utu

    There can be a connection between Islamophobia and pro-Israel, but it does not seem to match simply like you imply.

    In the West, people seem generally much more Islamophilic, and it’s possible that contributes to anti-Israel views. So reducing Islamophilia, would reduce opposition to Israel. For example, in this forum, almost everyone said they oppose the New Zealand Mosque attack.

    But in the Russian internet – at least popular websites I read – most commentators supported attack on the Mosque New Zealand, and people were getting hundreds of upvotes for supporting it.

    Yet most Russian people are not pro-Israel, despite general dislike of Mosques. And Russia has a friendly external policy with the Muslim world.

    So Islamophobia is not any sufficient condition for being pro-Israel.

    Also most Israelis are more liberal than people like me, and I’m more liberal than most people on the internet – so supporting Israel will not satisfy any real illiberal Islamophobia. (When they learn the reality of Israel, they will just become angry to see Israeli government has good relations with the rulers of a lot of Muslim countries, is full of mosques, and that Kadyrov is allowed to use – presumably federal tax money – to build mosques in Israel).

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @Hyperborean
  217. AP says:
    @German_reader

    1. Germany behaved much worse toward Poland than Poland did to Ukraine.

    2. Forcing Nazi-voting German civilians* to move out of some territories that would be given to their Polish victims is not the same as killing them, as the Anglo-Americans did (while I support the territorial adjustments I do not support the atrocities that sometimes accompanied them). The Anglo-Americans deliberately targeted civilian areas and incinerated 350,000 – 650,000 civilians in Germany. It is absurd to claim that UPA crimes were any worse than that, just because they were low tech.

    *The German regions whose inhabitants were expelled were the same ones that had voted for the Nazis

  218. Forcing Nazi-voting German civilians* to move out of some territories that would be given to their Polish victims is not the same as killing them

    There are claims that 400 000-500 000 Germans were killed during the expulsions from the Oder-Neiße area which would be more than the number of those killed by allied bombing (estimated at around 300 000 German civilians by Richard Overy). I don’t know how plausible that is (it seems rather high, maybe exaggerated), but there certainly was a lot of extreme unpleasantness involved.
    And the official Polish justification (that those territories were “recovered” and had always been fundamentally Slavic in nature) was of course absolute garbage, in its fundamental nature not totally different from Nazi claims that Germany was merely re-gathering ancient Germanic land.
    But that’s not the point anyway…I have little desire to re-litigate an issue like the Polish-German border or the justice of post-war expulsions which is (or should be) irrelevant today. I just find it amusing how predictably tribal you always are in your judgements…despite your claims that you aren’t a nationalist, you always come up with elaborate justifications for everything your favorite nations/states (Ukraine, Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, Poland – probably in that order) have done. It’s especially amusing in the case of conflict between your favorites, like in the Polish-Ukrainian conflict during WW2.

    • Agree: Denis
  219. AP says:
    @szopen

    It invaded and conquered them in 1918-1919.

    Come on. You are claiming that Poles who lived here for hundreds of years INVADED their own homes?

    No, but the Polish state did, on their behalf and with their help. The Polish state between the wars was not, of course, genocidal and thus preventing its return was no excuse for the crimes committed by the Ukrainians.

    Also, I’m really dissapointed you are trying to justify thugs who murdered thousands of innocent civilians

    I am not justifying their crimes but comparing them to other crimes of the same time and pointing out that other crimes had more dubious reasons and were conducted on a much larger scale. To repeat what I had written to utu:

    Since UPA and OUN did not have access to internal Polish documents calling for the ethnic cleansing of those lands (and who knows if this would even have been attempted – the local Poles wanted to to do it but the government in exile rejected it), they murdered the Polish civilians in order to prevent the return of Polish rule. Although Polish rule was very unpleasant, it was not nearly sufficiently unpleasant to warrant the mass murder of massive numbers of civilians. There was thus no legitimate justification for this crime.

    My main point was not to justify what UPA did but to point out that their “justification” was no worse than that of the Anglo-Americans who were murdering German and Japanese civilians during that time. Sorry if I was not clear.

    :::::::::::::::

    Saying “X” is not as bad as “Y” does not mean saying “X” was all right.

    Somehow, Taras Borowec who founded first UPA had not thought ethnic cleansing was necessary, despite he also wanted to conquer this territories for Ukraine.

    I agree. UPA murdered his wife and many of his followers.

  220. Denis says:
    @AP

    Forcing Nazi-voting German civilians* to move out of some territories that would be given to their Polish victims is not the same as killing them

    In this case it obviously was, given that millions of Germans died during the ethnic cleansing against them in Eastern Europe.

    The German regions whose inhabitants were expelled were the same ones that had voted for the Nazis

    So you think that people should be ethnically cleansed/killed based on how they vote? Good to know.

    • Replies: @AP
  221. Denis says:
    @German_reader

    Such a shame. I thought we (me and AP) had found some common ground.

    It’s pretty ridiculous to argue that the bombings were crimes but the expulsions were not, given that the expulsion of the eastern Germans was pretty clearly genocidal.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @German_reader
  222. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    People are hoping for some kind of a background that produces philosopher kings, but I don’t believe there is such a background.

    Well it’s good you talk about Plato, because this is who I was thinking about.

    developing political skills.

    Democratic “political skills”, however, – does not imply “good for country skills”.

    This is implied in the discussion of Plato – Republic, Book VI

    Sophists and whom they deem to be their adversaries, do, in fact, teach nothing but the opinion of the many, that is to say, the opinions of their assemblies; and this is their wisdom.

    I might compare them to a man who should study the tempers and desires of a mighty strong beast who is fed by him-he would learn how to approach and handle him, also at what times and from what causes he is dangerous or the reverse, and what is the meaning of his several cries, and by what sounds, when another utters them, he is soothed or infuriated; and you may suppose further, that when, by continually attending upon him, he has become perfect in all this, he calls his knowledge wisdom, and makes of it a system or art, which he proceeds to teach, although he has no real notion of what he means by the principles or passions of which he is speaking, but calls this honourable and that dishonourable, or good or evil, or just or unjust, all in accordance with the tastes and tempers of the great brute.

    Good he pronounces to be that in which the beast delights and evil to be that which he dislikes; and he can give no other account of them except that the just and noble are the necessary, having never himself seen, and having no power of explaining to others the nature of either, or the difference between them, which is immense.

    http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.7.vi.html

    Skillful politician, like people trained by sophists, becomes very good at understanding what the beast (masses) wants, and how to satisfy its next appetite, or appease it with nice words.

    But desires of a mob, has often little relation to what is actually true or false.

    With the professional politician, you have no more experience than an animal trainer’s, as their whole profession was related to pleasing the beast.

    Why we want politician to have a real profession before, is that they might have some understanding of actual true and false, at least within their narrow sphere.

    Romney, for example, has practical experience in business, which would be relevant for economy. Trump has practical experience in “deals” – or this is how he marketed himself.

    And – more uselessly – Merkel, has experience in “quantum chemistry”, which means her brain was rewired for some years to have zero connection to everyday reality.

    Acting is obviously useful for a politician, and community organizing is politics.

    A lot of President’s job is a symbolic one, and this is where Reagan was excellently trained. You can see he looks like a real gentleman (or Hollywood actor’s interpretation of a gentleman).

  223. AP says:
    @szopen

    I generally agree with your comment but:

    Hard to blame whole nation for the actions of the few.

    In Volhynia the massacres had a mass component to them – many, many villagers took part in the massacres. There was a lot of pent up hatred that was unleashed by a primitive population that had previously been demoralized by the Soviets and Nazis. The Polish government had been burning down Orthodox Churches in the 1930s and the villagers reacted as they would have in the 18th or 19th century.

    In some ways it was similar to what Polish villagers had done 100 years earlier, though on a larger scale:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician_slaughter

    Peasants attacked the manor houses of the rebel noble leaders as well as of suspected rebel nobles and killed many hundreds of the estate owners and their families; about 90% of the manor houses in the Tarnów region are estimated to have been destroyed.[14] At least 470 manor houses were destroyed.[12] Estimates of the number of lives lost by Polish estate owners and officials range from 1,000 to 2,000.[9] Jezierski notes that most of the victims were not nobles (he estimates those constituted maybe about 200 of the fatalities) but their direct employees.[12] Most of the victims had no direct involvement with the Polish insurgents other than being a part of the same social class.[8] (Davies also notes that near Bochnia, Austrian officials were attacked by overzealous peasantry.[16]) Bideleux and Jeffries discuss the total number of victims noting that “more than two thousand lives were lost on both sides”, which suggests that most of the victims were from among the Polish nobility.[5]

    They were sawing off people’s heads and doing things like that.

    Of course, UPA glorification is disgusting, but somewhat understandable, given that UPA later was fighting against Soviets

    This makes it somewhat more complicated. A lot of people joined UPA in 1945 or 1946 to fight the Soviets; these people had nothing to do with Polish massacres. Given the rate of attrition the UPA people involved in massacres in 1943-1944 were mostly killed off and the surviving UPA veterans are mostly the ones who joined later.

  224. @AP

    To briefly wade into this swamp:

    I don’t know what the big deal about the Allied bombings is. They were at least minimally defensible militaraily (we now know that the Brits would have been better off continuing to bomb the Ruhr from 1943, but hindsight is 20/20). Let’s also not forget that 40,000+ Brits died in the Blitz. If the Germans had had greater bombing capacity, it’s not like they’d have refrained from killing many more Brits out of humanitarian concerns. To the extent it was a war crime, it was a squarely reciprocal one.

    In this sense, the UPA massacres aren’t anywhere near comparable, despite a lower death toll.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @German_reader
    , @LondonBob
  225. AP says:
    @Denis

    Forcing Nazi-voting German civilians* to move out of some territories that would be given to their Polish victims is not the same as killing them

    In this case it obviously was, given that millions of Germans died during the ethnic cleansing against them in Eastern Europe.

    I wrote: “while I support the territorial adjustments I do not support the atrocities that sometimes accompanied them”

    That wasn’t clear enough for you?

    The German regions whose inhabitants were expelled were the same ones that had voted for the Nazis

    So you think that people should be ethnically cleansed/killed based on how they vote? Good to know.

    I was clear in stating that murdering civilians was unacceptable. OTOH, if you vote for and enthusiastically support a party that invades another country and takes its lands, slaughtering many of its inhabitants, you deserve to be removed from your lands and have them given to the people whom you invaded.

    • Replies: @Denis
    , @Rattus Norwegius
  226. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The Western allies deliberately targeted German residential areas. It was just pure civilian-killing.

    The atom bomb over Japan was different because it actually stopped the war, thus sparing civilians. The terror-bombing of Germany was just senseless murder. I guess it was revenge for the Brits, as if that makes killing innocent people justifiable, but what did Germany do to America?

    UPA was operating on its own territory and killing people in order to prevent their victim’s state from coming back to their lands. Also not justifiable (see my other comments) but certainly no less justifiable than what the American and British “heroes” were up to.

  227. AP says:
    @Denis

    The expulsions used criminal methods but expulsion itself was not a crime, whereas the bombings were purely criminal.

    • Replies: @Denis
  228. AP says:
    @utu

    Why would Poles want to have somebody like AP as their neighbor?

    LOL, my best friend and godfather to one of my kids is a Pole, whose aunt was murdered by UPA. Our peoples generally get along okay 🙂

    Volhynia genocide was the most disgusting crime of the WWII the way it was conducted. It was a mass orgy of wanton tortures and killings

    Soviets, Nazis, Ustase, were all worse.

    And all you hear from them are excuses.

    While the crimes were inexcusable, they did not occur without causes. Nor were they unique.
    Pointing this out is not making an excuse for them.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  229. Dmitry says:
    @fnn

    Yes Karlin talked about that Chinese survey. Reaction of Chinese internets, sounds like a more moderate version of Russian internet’s reaction to the New Zealand story.

    At least in the website forums I go to, most people supported the Mosque attack. I was a little shocked by the extent of the illiberal attitude of commentators to this story last week. (I don’t know if it’s just the websites I visit? If someone knows a different internet reaction?).

    It was an example of internet culture clash on this topic. On this story, English internet felt suddenly like a different culture (with a more mature attitude),- almost all in the English internet forums like here was condemning the attack.

  230. @Anatoly Karlin

    I don’t know what the big deal about the Allied bombings is.

    It’s seen as a big deal not least because so much of it was close to the end of the war in late 1944/early 1945, with some cities like Würzburg being bombed to rubble just days before allied troops entered them. Despite what defenders of specific bombings like Dresden claim, there’s no way those bombings were dictated purely by military necessity, to a large extent it was simply vengeance, which is generally seen as a base motive.

    Let’s also not forget that 40,000+ Brits died in the Blitz. If the Germans had had greater bombing capacity, it’s not like they’d have refrained from killing many more Brits out of humanitarian concerns.

    There’s an element of truth to that, the British public certainly had few reasons to be opposed to bombing of Germany after the German bombing of Britain in 1940/41 (it’s all the more remarkable that there was some opposition and controversy even during the war, e.g. Bishop Bell), and of course it’s true that Germany lacked good four-engined bombers which has to be considered in any comparison. It’s also true however that the policy of the RAF was the most extreme of all air forces in the European theater, with indiscriminate destruction of urban areas and the killing of large numbers of civilians not just a byproduct of deficient technology, but from 1942 at the latest the explicit goal of attacks. This was different both from what the Americans (in Europe) and the Luftwaffe did. And it wasn’t just a reaction to prior German actions as is often claimed, but to a significant extent an outgrowth of pre-war RAF doctrine.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  231. Denis says:
    @AP

    The “territorial adjustments” were clearly inseparable from the massacres and the ethnic cleansing that accompanied them. It makes no sense to declare you support one part of this massive crime, but not the other, but then again, very little of what you say makes sense in the real world.

    I was clear in stating that murdering civilians was unacceptable. OTOH, if you vote for and enthusiastically support a party that invades another country and takes its lands, slaughtering many of its inhabitants, you deserve to be removed from your lands and have them given to the people whom you invaded.

    Like I said, your position is pretty stupid, given that, in reality, they were both killed and driven from their homes. But yes, this was the essence of my comment, you support the ethnic cleansing of people who vote wrong, good to know.

    • Replies: @AP
  232. @Denis

    the expulsion of the eastern Germans was pretty clearly genocidal

    “genocidal” is the wrong term imo, should be limited to cases where destruction of an ethnic group is the goal (though boundaries between ethnic cleansing and genocide can be fluent, as in the case of the Armenians during WW1). That can’t be claimed about the post-war expulsions.

    • Replies: @Denis
  233. Denis says:
    @AP

    The expulsions used criminal methods but expulsion itself was not a crime, whereas the bombings were purely criminal.

    Like I said, it’s pointless to distinguish between the ethnic cleansing of the germans and the methods that were used to accomplish it. But even your imaginary peaceful ethnic cleansing would still have been a crime, and a pretty grave one.

    As for the allied bombing campaigns, I agree with AK.

  234. @AP

    “I was clear in stating that murdering civilians was unacceptable. OTOH, if you vote for and enthusiastically support a party that invades another country and takes its lands, slaughtering many of its inhabitants, you deserve to be removed from your lands and have them given to the people whom you invaded.”
    While it is true that most of the territory that Germany lost following WW2 voted were more supportive of the Nazi party, than the German average, not every German in those areas voted for the Nazi party.

    The reason that those areas were taken, was not that they had voted for the Nazi party. it was simply more practical to expand in those geographic areas.

    • Replies: @AP
  235. Denis says:
    @German_reader

    It seems to me that it’s a bit semantic to argue about the distinction between genocide and ethnic cleansing in this case. You mention the Armenian Genocide, which was a pretty clear instance of the former. If that is considered a genocide, I see no reason whatsoever that the expulsion of the eastern Germans wouldn’t be.

    However, even if we were to take a “higher” standard for the term genocide, I would still say that the eastern Germans were subject to this. In the years preceding the war, the treatment of Germans in the Soviet Union was a clear precedent for the fate that would eventually befall them throughout Eastern Europe.

    Many of the methods used to organize the campaigns of mass violence in the early Soviet Union were quite similar to the ones the Nazis would use against their own victims. For example, in “The Gulag Archipelago” Solzhenitsyn draws a parallel between Stalin’s mass deportations of “untrustworthy” ethnic groups and Hitler’s own methods, suggesting they were not too different. I agree with his analysis. Germans were one of the biggest victims of this policy in the USSR, and I think that when one views their trials throughout 1920-1946 as a whole, a pretty clear case can be made that the eastern Germans were subjected to a genocide.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  236. AP says:
    @Denis

    The “territorial adjustments” were clearly inseparable from the massacres and the ethnic cleansing that accompanied them.

    They didn’t have to be.

    It makes no sense to declare you support one part of this massive crime, but not the other,

    Not simple enough for you?

    . But yes, this was the essence of my comment, you support the ethnic cleansing of people who vote wrong, good to know.

    Depends on whom they voted for.

  237. AP says:
    @Rattus Norwegius

    While it is true that most of the territory that Germany lost following WW2 voted were more supportive of the Nazi party, than the German average, not every German in those areas voted for the Nazi party.

    It was 90% in Danzig/Gdansk.

    I’ve visited Silesia, according to locals (including Germans who stayed behind as “Poles”) there was mass enthusiasm for the war and the invasion of Poland, in the beginning.

    While you are correct that not everyone there voted Nazi, if territorial adjustments are going to be made as a result of a war that the Nazi party started, it might as well involve territories where most voters were Nazis.

    The reason that those areas were taken, was not that they had voted for the Nazi party. it was simply more practical to expand in those geographic areas.

    I agree, but it worked out better that the Germans who voted for the party that invaded Poland and the USSR, and murdered millions of those countries’ peoples were the ones whose territory was given to Poland and Russia. While the Bavarians who did not vote the Nazis into power were left alone.

    Here was the % of Nazi votes in the 1933 election:

    (Silesia is lighter only because of the ethnic Poles living there)

  238. @Denis

    In the years preceding the war, the treatment of Germans in the Soviet Union was a clear precedent for the fate that would eventually befall them throughout Eastern Europe.

    I’m not sure though how important ethnic considerations were for repression of Germans in the Soviet Union before WW2, much of it may rather have been class-based…wealthy, religious peasants were seen as enemies by the communists in general, no matter their ethnic origin.
    I’m somewhat opposed to over-use of the term “genocide” in general, because often it’s merely used as a polemical attempt meant to evoke associations with the Nazi genocide of the Jews (which was a fairly distinctive, possibly singular, event that isn’t easily paralleled). But of course the legal definition is somewhat different…since there are claims of a “Bosnian genocide” during the Balkan wars in the 1990s, maybe one could make similar claims about the post-war expulsions. I doubt though that it would elucidate the issue or contribute anything positive to Polish-German relations.

    • Replies: @Denis
  239. @AP

    Forcing Nazi-voting German civilians* to move out of some territories that would be given to their Polish victims is not the same as killing them.

    Dead or Missing in Flight and Expulsion

    In the eastern territories of the German Reich 1,225,000
    In Czechoslovakia 267,000
    In other countries 619,000
    TOTAL 2,111,000

    Source: Alfred-Maurice de Zayas, A Terrible Revenge, The Ethnic Cleansing of the East European Germans, 1944–1950 . De Zayas earlier treated the subject in a more scholarly work entitled Nemesis at Potsdam.

    According to Wiki: “The death toll attributable to the flight and expulsions is disputed, with estimates ranging from 500,000-600,000[10] [11] and up to 2 to 2.5 million.[12][13][14]”.

    The victims were of course almost entirely women, children and the elderly.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  240. @for-the-record

    In Czechoslovakia 267,000

    I think more recent studies have reduced that to about 30 000 (as far as I know similar studies haven’t been done for the territories annexed to Poland).
    Some of the higher estimates for deaths during the expulsions are probably exaggerated. But there doesn’t seem to be much interest in researching the issue, so we may never know.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  241. @German_reader

    But there doesn’t seem to be much interest in researching the issue, so we may never know

    Regardless of the numbers, the individual stories are horrific.

    From a review in a Scottish newspaper (The Herald):

    1945: The Savage Peace (BBC2) told the largely unknown story of what happened to the Germans after their surrender. For those living outside Germany, notably in Czechoslovakia and Poland, ordinary people who had committed no crime, but who merely happened to be German or Ethnic German, were subject to horrific atrocities which matched what the Nazis did, not in scale, of course, but in method.

    I suppose we don’t like to admit this. Most of us prefer to think the Nazis were evil, and so that explains their actions, because if we allow some subtlety to shade the story that will discomfit us, making us think that perhaps any country, and any person, could gas, rape and slaughter. Yet this programme forced us to acknowledge that the ‘good’ side in the war were also capable of horrors. In fact, they often took care to precisely match what the Nazis did, pushing Germans into concentration camps, carrying out public hangings, lining them up by a pit or a ditch to shoot them en masse, and branding them with swastikas and armbands even though ‘their only crime is that they happen so speak German.’

    It was impossible immediately after the war, and perhaps even now, to conceive of a German as a victim. They were branded as Nazis, and the concept of collective guilt made an individual’s own innocence or goodness invisible. They were German and so were fair game for the tortured, weary and angry populations who were suddenly free and, sadly, but inevitably, wanted revenge.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  242. @for-the-record

    I know, I just find it annoying how this issue is often used by revanchists who still want to refight WW2.
    One could of course draw some conclusions from all this, namely that diversity and ethnic conflict can lead to horrible results…and that it’s extremely foolish to wilfully create conditions that could eventually lead to such an outcome.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @songbird
  243. Matra says:

    It’s interesting how AP shits so much on Anglo countries for their role in defeating Nazi Germany. His fellow Ukrainians in Canada, who missed out on communism, the Holodomor, and WW2 thanks to Anglo-Canadian generosity, spent most of the last century LEADING the campaign to demoralise and delegitimise the very existence of Anglo-Saxon Canada. Apparently Ukrainians in Australia were also big proponents of turning Australia from an Anglo to a multiculti society. There seems to be a pattern here.

    I really hope AP is just a typical no-skin-in-the-game diaspora nationalist (the worst kind of nationalist, no matter the nationality) because I had a good time in Lviv in January and I’d hate to think the locals, who seemed so nice, are privately as filled with hatred towards every other nationality as he is.

    Just out of curiosity AP would you agree that the recent dispute between Ukraine and Hungary was entirely the fault of the Hungarians?

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @AP
  244. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    Agree on diversity.

    Btw – and I certainly don’t want to take sides as far as Poles, Czechs and Germans are concerned – but have you seen the German girl on Czech border video? It’s called 1945 Lost German woman on Youtube. I’ve watched it many times out of morbid curiosity, she’s got such familiar features and so beautiful despite of what happened to her.

    Oh, and the “liberators” did a “great” job with Wilhelm Gustloff, drowning German and Latvian children – collatoral damage I guess it’s what it’s called.

    May we all be forgiven for what we do.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  245. @Epigon

    I would have to dig through books and documents I had read long time ago – but it is imprinted in my mind that in the Pacific P-38 aces exploited P-38 advantage in turning on one side to outperform even the nimble Japanese dogfighters.

    FWIW Richard Bong, the top-scoring P-38 ace, mainly used boom and zoom tactics.

    You shouldn’t be too hard on dual-engined planes – take a look at Mosquito in its various outfits, including fighter, and it didn’t have the unique P-38 layout. Similarily, Pe-2 light bombers could successfuly maneuver and evade German fighters (empty, of course) – as has been noted. Generally, the key parameters to take into account are engine power (function of altitude), control surface area, and the “drag area” – not just the cross-section but airfoil layout and total surface.

    Twin-engine fighters were fine interceptors, photo reconnaissance platforms, night fighters, etc.

    To my knowledge they were not dogfighters.

    The P-38 was a fine airplane, as was the Mosquito. Other great twins which missed the war were the F7F Tigercat and the Hornet (successor to the Mosquito).

    A key parameter you’re missing is weight, and by extension the power-to-weight and wing loading.

    I dispute the notion that P-47 was limited to Mach 0.71 during dive, or “maneuvering” as you initially stated.

    Loss of controllability as aircraft entered the transonic range was a well known problem in the WW2 era. This led to aerodynamic innovations like thinner airfoils, swept wings, the all-moving tail, etc.

    Not the same thing as being UNABLE to dive past a certain Mach number in which case many P-47s, Spitfires, P-38s, etc. would’ve simply broken up or whatever in any full power dive from altitude–something which obviously did not happen.

    P-47 could dive in excess of 500 mph and leave every single piston fighter behind them.
    P-47M was faster than Ta-152.

    A quick check on Wikipedia shows the Ta-152 as being one mile per hour slower.

    Regarding diving, it wasn’t just the final velocity – the immediate acceleration when engaging in maneuver was what counted – IIRC correctly P-51 had ~500 mph redline, while P-47 went beyond that. So, P-51D with its laminar flow wings and cleaner form might ultimately come close to max speed, but P-47 would be near its max dive speed sooner. It would also be more controllable at those speeds. Anecdotal evidence isn’t reliable, but there is definitely something in them when P-47 pilots boasted they only had to lower the nose down, full throttle and be gone – German pilots recognized P-47 diving like a brick from them, while P-51 could be evaded in a Bf-109 and FW-190D

    No question that the P-47 could dive faster than the P-51. Normally weight counts against an airplane’s acceleration, but this is reversed in a dive. On top of that the P-47 had a 2,600 horsepower engine which far exceeded the P-51 (or any Luftwaffe fighter).

    Also, regarding its turbosupercharger – it was dead weight at low altitudes, while the plane sacrificed a lot to have the ability to carry it – size, wing loading, payload, fuel capacity. Maneuvering at low altitudes with dense air was not the same as at high altitudes – energy bleeding in turns was different, control surface impact was different.

    The turbosupercharger was only dead weight at low altitudes in a hypothetical aircraft intended purely for low altitude operation. A turbosupercharger was capable of providing an appropriate amount of boost at all altitudes, which was not the case with a geared supercharger.

    See this wartime General Electric pamphlet for more: http://rwebs.net/avhistory/opsman/geturbo/geturbo.htm

    “The turbosupercharger may be used to increase rated engine power at sea level, or to furnish “ground boost”, as well as to maintain rated power at high altitude.”
    […]
    “No matter how many stages or different gear ratios are used, such a geared supercharger can never have the perfect flexibility of speed control of a turbosupercharger, and must always involve some waste of power when operating below the altitude for which it was designed. The speed of the turbosupercharger can be controlled to maintain desired conditions of carburetor-inlet pressure without regard to the engine speed.”

    The P-38 after all, which had its greatest successes in the Pacific where most operations were at low altitude, was equipped with turbosupercharged engines.

    The Germans planned to transition to turbosupercharged engines, but their development program failed owing to persistent shortages of the required high temperature alloys. Priority for these alloys understandably went to axial-flow turbojet engine development.

  246. @German_reader

    If you think about it most of politics consists of organized factions attempted to make the state their prey.

    A “statesman” as opposed to a politician is realistically someone who is so skilled at politics that he’s able to stay in power long enough to do something on a grand scale rather than simply satisfy his particular faction/coalition.

    Bismarck, of course, served at the pleasure of his liege lord which was fundamentally different than the situation today. But he was still forced to build coalitions in the Reichstag and Prussian Landtag, which he did in a number of unpleasant ways that today are no longer remember except through his famous quip about laws and sausage making.

    A good example of this is how he got the Reichstag to create a very generous pension for the deposed King of Hanover but inserted conditions which gave him the control of these funds. This was then used as a gigantic political slush fund by him. Today such a scandal would likely result in a lengthy prison sentence.

    What’s exceptionally frustrating in politics is when the ostensible leaders of your faction have interests divorced from yours for whatever reason. That might be a newish development of postwar politics and is not exclusive to countries with public financing of parties and elections.

    Alienation from the life experiences of ordinary citizens is perhaps dubious in labor parties but otherwise to be expected from national elites and not new.

    • Agree: Epigon
  247. @Dmitry

    Opposition on this forum to the attack in NZ is not Islamophilia but rather opposition to murder and terrorism.

    Less charitably there is also the fact that our comments are perhaps being collected by counterintelligence services.

  248. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t really like it when Europeans use the term “genocide” for themselves because it feels like seeing Africans rolling metal trashcans down a hill and calling it a space program.

    It is obviously a pale imitation of the political ethnocentrism of Jews, like there is no hope of them ever having dozens and dozens of memorials in the center of cities thousands of miles from the event took place, and they realize it. It is purely derivative, like the lynching museum blacks set up. Simultaneously, there’s implicit powerless and admiration in it that seems so unseemly and not befitting people with a proud history.

    Not to mention, it is often so weak-willed a construction, like “I believe X was a genocide. What do you think? ” And to add insult to injury, the people asking are often supercucks who would kiss the ass of the first gay Hindu who wanted to rule over them.

    At the very least, you got to come up with your own non-generic name for it and turn it back against one of the aggressor groups. For instance, Armenians are failing because they don’t have their own word in the English globalist lexicon – even though their target, Turks, is good. Ukrainians are actually doing a pretty good job. Hindus are failing hilariously, but in a way that is almost a brilliant satire on Jews, so I will give them a pass.

    On the other hand, Irish people who ask if the Potato Famine was a genocide, are the worst supercucks. For one thing, rule number one: you don’t pile on against other Europeans. But ethnic rivalry is okay though, if it is sportsmanlike. Bring up massacres sure, but don’t use the word “genocide” so generically that it doesn’t even have an ethnic modifier, and don’t do it with you nose buried in the ass of a gay Hindu.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  249. @Denis

    Retarded it is, it should end asap.

  250. @Dmitry

    For example, in this forum, almost everyone said they oppose the New Zealand Mosque attack.

    But in the Russian internet – at least popular websites I read – most commentators supported attack on the Mosque New Zealand, and people were getting hundreds of upvotes for supporting it.

    There are a lot of indifferent people in other parts of the English internet, though, such as the chan forums and Breitbart.


    Total amount of upvotes would probably also be even higher if the deleted comments on Breitbart are included.

    Probably good that they aren’t directly saying they deserved it, even though it might be a bit on the line anyway. There are lot of people getting arrested for being too enthusiastic and open about their opinions in places like the UK.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Dmitry
  251. @Hyperborean

    President “be fruitful and takeover Europe” Erdoğan (or his secretary) pretends he cares:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/recep-tayyip-erdogan-the-new-zealand-killer-and-the-islamic-state-are-cut-from-the-same-cloth/2019/03/19/

    All at the same time he is inciting Turks at his campaign rallies and promising a repeat of Gallipoli. But that is to be expected from shitty Middle Easterners.

  252. During the recent Dutch provincial and, indirectly, the senate elections the Party for Freedom (PVV) under Geert Wilders went from 9 to 5 seats while the Forum for Democracy (FvD), led by Thierry Baudet, went from 0 to 12/13, equal or slightly larger to the largest party, the cuckservative traitor party VVD.

    This is a very positive development. The PVV has low class associations and often excessively focused on ‘counter-jihad’ nonsense (also well as being completely controlled by Wilders) while the FvD is more identitarian and has higher human quality (IIRC, many of their MPs are intellectuals and classical musicians, etc.)

    Here is Baudet’s speech:

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2019/03/populism-triumphs-in-the-netherlands/

    I think it is a good speech, especially for cultural themes like rebirth, criticising ugly architecture, and pledging to purge public television (if they mean to replace personel and not dismantle it).

    The only quibble I have is that the ice age and mammoth-slaying talk is a bit too svidomite.

  253. @Hyperborean

    I forgot to add: Like in neighbouring Germany, the Green Party is growing in popularity as well in Netherlands (in Amsterdam they got a quarter of the vote)

    There hasn’t been much conflict due to the growing polarisation and radicalisation yet but it will most likely become more serious the next 10-15 years.

  254. LondonBob says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The bombing of civilian areas was always a controversial area, bomber crews only recently received a memorial, I oppose this, and they didn’t receive a campaign medal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-44255399

    Going back to inhabitants and garrisons being slaughtered after a siege this would act as an incentive to surrender. The rules of war were that is was entirely honourable to surrender when the defender’s position had become untenable. See the surrender of Fort William Henry in The Last of the Mohicans.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  255. @songbird

    Ukrainians are actually doing a pretty good job.

    I don’t know, does anybody really go on much about the Holodomor narrative except alt-righters, who are only interested in it because they blame it on Jews? Some mainstream historians like Timothy Snyder may allude to parts of it, but that is transparently motivated by anti-Russian animus. On its own, the Ukrainian famine isn’t that interesting to most people.

    Hindus are failing hilariously

    Who did supposedly genocide them? Mahmud of Ghazni? Aurangzeb? Churchill? Well, that wasn’t very successful then, since there are still so many Hindus around.

    I agree with you about use of the term “genocide”, in a way it’s another manifestation of the sickening glorification of victimhood prevalent in Western societies today.

    • Replies: @songbird
  256. @LondonBob

    and they didn’t receive a campaign medal

    That was pretty shabby treatment though, especially given the very high loss rate (almost 50%, iirc about 55 000 in absolute numbers) of Bomber Command’s aircrews.

  257. @Hyperborean

    The only quibble I have is that the ice age and mammoth-slaying talk is a bit too svidomite.

    The “On this rock, will we build our church” part is a bit much as well, could be seen as almost blasphemous.
    But maybe that sort of quasi-religious talk in politics is needed. Interesting development in any case, seems the Netherlands is similar to Germany, with increasing polarization due to the events since 2015. Unfortunate though that the right is still in a distinct minority position, despite everything that has happened.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  258. Mitleser says:
    @German_reader

    It will remain a distinct minority position until the anti-right establishment discredits itself.

  259. Given the previous discussions about Mormons on earlier Open Threads, I thought this longread academic-style article on Mormon ethnography might prove interesting:

    https://www.socialmatter.net/2019/03/13/the-pursuit-of-worthiness-lessons-drawn-from-the-mormon-experience/

    • Agree: Dmitry
  260. @German_reader

    Dresden was a major center of rail communications as well as optics production. At the time there was growing frustration that seemingly nothing would end the war, and at least in America there was a growing problem with desertion and resistance to conscription. The late war bombings (not just of Dresden) seem very cruel in retrospect, but every day the war continued meant more Allied casualties. Late war raids were also effective in their intended effects. In the early spring of 1945 the Anglo-American bombing campaign for instance caused the complete collapse of the German rail system.

    It wasn’t until well into 1942 that Britain adopted “dehousing” and area bombing as official doctrine of Bomber Command. This largely emerged in response to the wild inaccuracy of night bombing, which itself was an improvisation in response to the fact that daylight raids into occupied Europe resulted in unacceptably high attrition.

    Early in the war all the belligerents largely abided by President Roosevelt’s request to limit bombing to military targets, and even attacking civilian industrial targets in Germany was not permitted (against the wishes of Bomber Command) until the Rotterdam Blitz.

    Germany for its part didn’t initiate large scale bombing of civilian areas (Rotterdam was not intended) until the British bombed Berlin.

    There was actually a very good German heavy bomber (Heinkel 177 Greif), but it was not produced in substantial numbers and had significant teething problems owing to the failure of German high output aero engine development. These failures were themselves the outgrowth of doctrine (heavy bomber was not a priority) and then the exigencies of war (close support and interdiction on the Eastern Front, fighter defenses for the Reich).

    America did refuse to switch to “area bombing”, but shouldn’t be considered as some kind of humane strategic bombing force. Only the lead bomber used precision targeting, as all other bombers had to fly in defensive box organizations for protection from German fighters. The weather was frequently overcast as well, which obviously precluded visual target identification.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  261. @Thorfinnsson

    Dresden was a major center of rail communications as well as optics production.

    I know that argument, but even if it were valid for Dresden (and I’m unconvinced), it still leaves lots of other attacks which are difficult to rationalize imo. I doubt there is much of a purely military justification for something like the bombing of Pforzheim (proportionally the worst in the war, since it killed almost a fifth of Pforzheim’s population) on February 23 1945, which is why the debate in the end always gets shifted to a different plane like arguing that it was just punishment for Nazism (which I find a dubious argument for many reasons…even if one regards all Germans at the time as equally guilty and deserving of death, there’s still the substantial number of foreign forced labourers and pows killed by bombing).
    Anyway, my intention was merely to point out one of the reasons why the topic is so emotional, I’m not in favour of a cult of German victimhood about WW2 bombing and find right-wingers who build up Dresden into some huge symbol and use inflated numbers of deaths rather foolish.

    In the early spring of 1945 the Anglo-American bombing campaign for instance caused the complete collapse of the German rail system.

    My impression had been that this was more due to American daylight bombing which specifically targeted communications and transport infrastructure than to the more indiscriminate British effort.
    I’m in agreement with the rest of your comment.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @LondonBob
  262. @German_reader

    Once the decision was made to bomb civilian industry with level bombers at high altitude massive civilian casualties were inescapable. I doubt that anyone in the USAAF actually believed the nonsense about a Norden bombsight being able to put a 500 pound bomb in a pickle barrel from 20,000 feet, though I suppose they believed in all other sorts of nonsense so who knows.

    Pforzheim was both a manufacturing and logistics center. I don’t believe Bomber Command was aware of what was being produced there, but lots of shell fuzes were manufactured there.

    That said, since just about all economic activity supported the German war effort, one could contrive a military justification for bombing just about anything. The Allies could’ve deliberately bombed grain silos or even hospitals with military justification. They would’ve had to machine gun pensioners to do something without a military benefit (and no doubt you’d find people to justify that on morale grounds).

    Bomber Command was also part of the effective campaign against the German transportation network. Many viaducts, tunnels, and bridges were attacked by Lancasters dropping Grand Slam bombs which could not be employed by American bombers.

  263. LondonBob says:
    @German_reader

    The ‘Dehousing’ policy was the brainchild of Frederick Lindemann, similarly Morgenthau was advocating the Morgenthau plan for Germany in the Roosevelt administration.

    As for recognising the bomber crews I oppose, that generation knew best and I find it a sad reflection of today’s society that we know better and that we lack the morality to understand why this was a contentious issue.

  264. Thousands were evacuated in New Zealand over the horrible threat posed by an alleged far right tattoo. Security personnel quickly defused the danger by evacuating all and then establishing that the tattoo was just a normal ordinary tattoo. Incredibly, all involved survived.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/111507831/wellingtons-homegrown-festival-reportedly-evacuated

  265. In the meantime, to the great surprise of the Hungarian public, the Hungarian national football team is still very far from the European elite. Among the five sides in our group (Croatia, Wales, Slovakia, Hungary, Azerbaijan), Hungary is easily the fourth by any metric. But for some reason people got extremely disappointed when we failed to beat the much stronger Slovak side. I don’t know what will happen now that the Croats are going to beat us without even trying too hard. Apparently many people were expecting some kind of miracle.

    EDIT: miracles might be possible? We just equalized.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  266. Not a great surprise, I imagine. Who will be next?

    Romania announces plans to move embassy to Jerusalem

    Romanian Prime Minister Viorica Dăncilă announced plans Sunday to relocate her nation’s embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, following a similar announcement by Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez.

    Speaking at the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington DC Sunday morning, Dăncilă said that her government would relocate Romania’s embassy to the Israeli capital city.

    “I am pleased to announce today, in front of this AIPAC audience…I as Prime Minster of Romania, and the government that I run, will move our embassy to Jerusalem, the capital of the State of Israel.”

    “I can promise you this: Romania will remain the same loyal friend and the strongest European voice in support of the Jewish people and the State of Israel.”

    Education Minister Naftali Bennett (New Right) thanked the Romanian premier, tweeting that her announcement “warmed our hearts”.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  267. Mitleser says:
    @for-the-record

    Speaking at the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington DC Sunday morning, Dăncilă said that her government would relocate Romania’s embassy to the Israeli capital city.

    “I am pleased to announce today, in front of this AIPAC audience…I as Prime Minster of Romania, and the government that I run, will move our embassy to Jerusalem, the capital of the State of Israel.”

    WTH? What is a European top politician doing there?

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Mitleser
  268. Mitleser says:
    @Mitleser

    Didn’t expect Romania to be such a Zionist stronghold.

    Romania would become the first European Union country to make the move, which has already been done by the United States and Guatemala. The Prime Minister of Honduras and President of Cabo Verde also announced at the conference that they would open embassies in Jerusalem.

    Dăncilă, who also currently holds the rotating presidency of the EU Council, pledged to defend the Jewish state in the European Union.

    She also announced three new government initiatives: Citizenship for descendants of Jewish Romanians who were forced to renounce their citizenship when they left the country under the communist regime, a new compensation program for Holocaust survivors, and promising to open the government archives to specialists from the Federation of Jewish Communities in Romaina “in order to know the truth about their past during the two world wars.”

    Read more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/421411/romania-announces-it-will-move-embassy-to-jerusalem/

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  269. Epigon says:
    @reiner Tor

    Croatia’s overrated. Ridiculous amount of luck on WC, from Argentina game all the way through 0 victories in knock-0ut phases during regular game time. 2 penalty shootouts, one overtime win (vs. England), and avoided Brazil and Belgium in the draw.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  270. @Epigon

    It certainly appears so, based on today’s match.

  271. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mitleser

    It was the only Warsaw Pact nation which continued to have formal relations with the Jewish state after the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.

    Not that Romanians en masse are known for being particularly fond of Jews.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  272. Mitleser says:

    Pozzed Leipzig Book Fair 2019

    At the Sino-Russian periphery of Hall 4

  273. Dmitry says:
    @Hyperborean

    Those comments are not supporting the attack though.

    Also Breitbart is a website, which is very critical of Muslim immigration.

    Breitbart website is semi-Israeli American, and was possibly established in Netanyahu’s office? at least I read an article there suggesting that.

    In any case, Breitbart not representative of normal English speaking netizens.

    I felt like the internet culture clash, was very large on that topic. Most commentators on some liberal, educated, websites I read, were supporting the attack and joking about the video. .

  274. Dmitry says:
    @Mikhail

    Romania has externally a very Christian identity (although probably not very religious in reality?), so I guess Israel/Palestine would probably have some symbolic significance there.

    Also Israel has guest worker programs with Romania. So a lot of cleaners, carers of old people, and workers with jobs like constructing roads in Israel, are legal Romanian immigrants which were longtime guestworkers in Israel – probably more from the 1990s when Romania was not in the EU.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  275. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    May we all be forgiven for what we do.

    What is your view about allegations – perhaps exaggerated – saying there is an “apartheid system” in Latvia today?

    • Replies: @Adam
  276. AP says:
    @Matra

    It’s interesting how AP shits so much on Anglo countries for their role in defeating Nazi Germany.

    All I did was state that the deliberate targeting and bombing of German civilians areas was a crime.

    Are you suggesting that this terror bombing characterized the Anglo-American role in defeating Germany? I wouldn’t.

    His fellow Ukrainians in Canada, who missed out on communism, the Holodomor, and WW2 thanks to Anglo-Canadian generosity, spent most of the last century LEADING the campaign to demoralise and delegitimise the very existence of Anglo-Saxon Canada.

    Look to the UK to see what Canada would have been like without Ukrainians, Italians, Greeks, Portuguese, Poles, Hungarians etc. Unfortunately, the Anglo-Saxons specialize in getting themselves replaced by Pakistanis and Nigerians. I guess Canadian ones left to their own devices would take in Jamaicans also.

    You should be grateful that thanks to Ukrainians and those like them, Canada is still nearly 80% of European origin.

    Apparently Ukrainians in Australia were also big proponents of turning Australia from an Anglo to a multiculti society

    There were about 30,000 of them in Australia. If you think they impacted anything there..

    because I had a good time in Lviv in January and I’d hate to think the locals, who seemed so nice, are privately as filled with hatred towards every other nationality as he is.

    LOL. I stated it was a crime to bomb civilians. To you this makes me “full of hatred towards every other nationality.” Paranoia.

    • Replies: @Adam
    , @DFH
  277. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Dmitry

    Romania has externally a very Christian identity (although probably not very religious in reality?), so I guess Israel/Palestine would probably have some symbolic significance there.

    Also Israel has guest worker programs with Romania. So a lot of cleaners, carers of old people, and workers with jobs like constructing roads in Israel, are legal Romanian immigrants which were longtime guestworkers in Israel – probably more from the 1990s when Romania was not in the EU.

    A good number of Jews with roots in Romania, combined with my earlier point on Romania being the only Warsaw Pact country to not break diplomatic relations with the Jewish state, after the start of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.

    Ceaușescu was somewhat of a foreign policy Titoist. Recall Romania being the only Warsaw Pact country to attend the 1984 LA Summer Olympics. At the height of the Sino-Soviet dispute, a high level Chinese delegation visited Romania and Yugoslavia.

    The announced Romanian recognition regarding Jerusalem seems like a calculated attempt to curry greater favor with the US and Israel – with the belief that any backlash will be limited.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  278. A little late to respond Karlin,but I would recommend getting a used gtx 1070 (roughly equivalent performance to those 2 cards) or even a gtx 1080 if you felt like an upgrade. There probably should still be some stock of used cards that were used in Mining. Normally mining cards, despite being used 24/7 are actually undervolted and underclocked to maximize efficiency per watt so they actually have less issues that normal used cards which go through larger thermal cycles of gameplay running them hot and cooling down. If your friend could scavenge those other parts, surely he can dig up a used gtx 10 series card, though this would depend on the pricing dynamics of used cards in Russia.

    The rtx 20 series is a giant waste of money, as the price/performance ratio was a big step sideways compared to the previous gen as the useless die space taken up by dedicated ray tracing is going to waste. For anyone else considering upgrading, I would hold off until the 10/7nm cards show up later this year or the start of next. Considering how moore’s law is basically over now, the next and last likely die shrink isnt coming until 2025 so you will be set for a long time with the upcoming generation.

  279. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Pakistan has several missiles with names that must irritate Indians. Ghaznavi, Babur, Ghauri. They can also be designated by using “Hatf” (the name of Muhammad’s sword or lance) and a number.

    One of their longer range missiles is named “Abadeel” which means “swallow .”. But even that is thought to be a closeted reference to India, since it is thought to refer to birds who supposedly dropped stones on war elephants threatening the Kaaba in pre-Islamic times.

    Too bad that Britain doesn’t have Churchill tanks anymore, but maybe that would only get the goat of Indians and not Pakis. Maybe, they could name some weapon after Cecil Rhodes, closeted gay though he was, to annoy Africans.

  280. Dmitry says:
    @Mikhail

    There is also lot of tourism from Romania to Israel (mainly pilgrims, because Romania is externally quite a Christian country).

    In per capita terms, I believe Ukrainians and Romanians are probably the most frequent visitors to Israel of any countries in the world. (Ukrainians are the most frequent tourists to Israel per capita, but I am not interested enough to do the actual calculations).

    Number of total tourists to Israel by country ranked for 2018 was something like.

    1. USA
    2. Russia
    3. France
    4. Ukraine
    5. Germany
    6. UK
    7. China
    8 Romania
    9. Poland

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Mikhail
  281. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    In per capita terms, I believe Ukrainians and Romanians are probably the most frequent visitors to Israel of any countries in the world. (Ukrainians are the most frequent tourists to Israel per capita, but I am not interested enough to do the actual calculations).

    ^Sorry ignore this comment, it is nonsense.

    Highest per capita nationality who are visiting Israel by far are Lithuanians. Then Swiss, Romanians and Ukrainians, will be around the same level, behind Lithuanians.

  282. Denis says:
    @German_reader

    I’m not sure though how important ethnic considerations were for repression of Germans in the Soviet Union before WW2, much of it may rather have been class-based…wealthy, religious peasants were seen as enemies by the communists in general, no matter their ethnic origin.

    I will quote Solzhenitsyn here:

    “Then there was the wave of Germans-Germans living on the Volga, colonists in the Ukraine and the North Caucasus, and all Germans in general who lived anywhere in the Soviet Union. The determining factor here was blood, and even heroes in the Civil War and old members of the Party were sent off into exile”

    From “The Gulag Archipelago”, pg. 78, volume 1.

    This seems to be referring to the period before 1941.

    I’m somewhat opposed to over-use of the term “genocide” in general, because often it’s merely used as a polemical attempt meant to evoke associations with the Nazi genocide of the Jews

    Agree

    (which was a fairly distinctive, possibly singular, event that isn’t easily paralleled)

    Disagree, it seems to me that both the Armenian genocide and the treatment of the Germans at the hands of the communist regimes are easily comparable to the holocaust in both scale and nature.

    I doubt though that it would elucidate the issue or contribute anything positive to Polish-German relations.

    I agree with you that re-litigating the issue is pointless, and it isn’t my intention to do so. I’m definitely not arguing this point due to revanchism. However, I still don’t really see how it (the abuses and deportations of the Germans) can be considered anything other than a massive crime.

  283. For future reference, does anyone know of good bookstores for history, literature, etc. books in London?

    I usually just buy books at Waterstones and Foyles when I am there, but I would like to know if there is a interesting selection of books somewhere that I have missed.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  284. Adam says:
    @AP

    Canada is undergoing an extremely rapid demographic transformation. It will become majority non-white.

    The prescence of peripheral Europeans has nothing to do with immigration policy. Just because Poles in Poland don’t like immigration doesn’t mean that they form some kind of anti-immigration bloc in the diaspora.

    Peripheral Europeans don’t have some right to societies built by Northern Europeans. They’re decent people, but they can’t exactly build the kind of societies Northern Europeans do, not to mention the whole Euromutt phenomenon is damaging to any kind of rooted identity. Even as a Russophile I feel ambivalent hearing Russian in the street in a city built by Germans and Scandinavians, that should have been left to their descendants. But of course there are more pressing matters now.

    • Replies: @AP
  285. Adam says:
    @Dmitry

    I’m not exactly sympathetic to Latvia, but Russians in the Baltics should learn the local languages, which I believe is the main barrier to citizenship.

    Apartheid was a good thing by the way.

  286. @Adam

    The other barrier is that many already have Russian passports. Again, the comparison to apartheid is pretty dubious.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  287. @Dmitry

    you were calling people like myself, who didn’t share your political opinions, “autistic normies”

    Why the plural? I only called you an autistic normie, did I call anyone else that?

    “normies” is the term used by people with autistic spectrum disorders to refer to non-autistic people.

    What?

    Regarding the rest.

    Obviously people tend to believe in things which are good for them. Minorities will believe that granting minority rights is morally superior to encouraging assimilation.

    People will explicitly use such utilitarian arguments, even if they have no relevance to the question at hand. For example religious people will often cite the numerous studies about religious people being happier, with more children, lower suicide rates, etc. Hungarian leftists regularly use arguments that multiculturalism would be good for the Hungarian minorities, who would benefit from minority rights etc.

    That’s not “cynicism.” People are not very self-aware, and they will sincerely believe in their ideologies. So poor people will sincerely believe in redistribution, and as they get richer, they will slowly tend to a belief in the magical powers of low taxes and free markets. There will certainly be a lag: people will keep their beliefs longer than they serve them. But they tend to beliefs which serve them. (More idealistic people less so. It’s a tendency, a stochastic rule.)

    Jews, of course, explicitly use the argument that multiculturalism is good for Jews. They will use it when arguing with non-Jews, which shows that they are not totally aware of the fact that it’s not really an argument, and for a gentile, it’s not even a fallacious pseudo-argument.

    Marx’s comments notwithstanding, Jews (a very large proportion of them) perceived Marxism and then Bolshevism to be good for Jews as an ethnic group. So they tended to move there. And objectively speaking, in the decade after 1917, Bolshevism was indeed beneficial to Soviet Jews. However, things changed. Jews in general still considered Bolshevism to be good for them well into the 1950s, by which time it was no longer the case.

    So, perception lagged reality. Ideologies have staying power. Who would have thought?

    Anyway, Jews tend to move to ideologies which they perceive to be good for them. They perceive ideologies to be good for them if they were objectively good for them in the recent past. There is some delay in perception, and ideologies have some staying power for a long time even beyond that, especially among the more committed adherents.

    I’m not sure it’s productive to continue this.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Dmitry
  288. DFH says:
    @AP

    Look to the UK to see what Canada would have been like without Ukrainians, Italians, Greeks, Portuguese, Poles, Hungarians etc.

    Canada is worse than Britain though

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  289. @reiner Tor

    The other barrier is that many already have Russian passports. Again, the comparison to apartheid is pretty dubious.

    Seems this is not quite accurate.

    From wikipedia, which cites the 2017 Latvian government statistics:

    Citizens of Latvia (1,788,710) – 84.48%

    Non-citizens of Latvia (237,759) – 11.23%

    Citizens of Russia (54,998) – 2.60%

    Others, mainly citizens of other countries (35,916) – 1.70%

    Latvian Non-citizens have 90 days within 180 days Schengen visa and Russian visa and then a few Latin American and other minor countries.

    Latvian citizens in contrast have access to over 150-ish countries if one excludes the Schengen region.

    Estonian non-citizens have similar limited visa access as Latvian non-citizens.

    Estonian Non-citizens are around 6-8% of the population (although it was 40% at independence), around an equal amount are citizens of foreign countries (mainly Russia, Belorussia and Ukraine). I don’t know many emigrated compared to being naturalised.

    After legal changes Non-citizen children born at independence in Estonia and Latvia are able to obtain citizenship.

    —–

    My own opinion is, if the Latvians and Estonians wish to solve their Russian problem then they should advocate for freedom for movement in Schengen area for non-citizens.

    I think many Baltic Russian-speakers would mind less if they were able to go to Germany.

    • Replies: @LatW
  290. @reiner Tor

    Marx’s comments notwithstanding, Jews (a very large proportion of them) perceived Marxism and then Bolshevism to be good for Jews as an ethnic group. So they tended to move there. And objectively speaking, in the decade after 1917, Bolshevism was indeed beneficial to Soviet Jews. However, things changed. Jews in general still considered Bolshevism to be good for them well into the 1950s, by which time it was no longer the case.

    So, perception lagged reality. Ideologies have staying power. Who would have thought?

    While there are a few decades during which there is a transition, I think it is notable that once they noticed many American Jewish “reformed” Bolshevists (typically Trotskyists) became the fiercest enemies of the Soviet Union (although I think the Soviet leadership was never quite able to completely grasp quite the extent of the ethnic element).

  291. @Thorfinnsson

    Artillery Directorate Chief Grigory Kulik,

    Stalin had Kulik’s wife kidnapped and shot, he also had his chief of staff’s wife shot and Molotov’s wife narrowly escaped being shot and many other high ranking officials wives were shot. None of these guys dared protest Stalin was the boss from hell probably the worst boss in history he used to regularly humiliate Kruschev by emptying his pipe on his bald head!

  292. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Dmitry

    A follow-up asks a % breakdown of Jews and non-Jews from each of these countries?

  293. @for-the-record

    French and Dutch national railways accepted to pay reparations (in the case of the SNCF

    It is a very sweet deal in the case of SNCF

    Those who are heirs of survivors or spouses who died shortly after 1948 will get less than those who died in 2014. For instance, heirs of a survivor who died in 2014 will receive about $400,000.

    Adele Weltmann, 85, of Aventura, Fla., told The Jewish Week that she has collected from both the Orphans Fund and from the latest French reparation fund. She said that although both of her parents were transported by the French railroad to Nazi concentration camps, only her father was killed; her mother survived and lived until 1982.

    No business like the Shoah business

    https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/questions-over-fairness-of-new-french-reparations/

  294. @songbird

    Reminds me: the Swedish Migration Board has, in theory, opened up Sweden to all Chinese Uyghurs. There are about 11 million.

    The Chinese should just call their bluff and deport all 11 million of them to Sweden, a win, win situation the Chinese get rid of a troublesome minority and Sweden finally gets it chance to become the Islamic Emirate of Sweden. Hypercuckery in action.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  295. @German_reader

    She’s also raising a bastard. I can’t stand women who voluntarily raise bastards. It tells you how degenerate the west is that this fact wasn’t even noticed something unthinkable outside the west – a female head of State raising a bastard!

  296. Mitleser says:
    @DFH

    Anglo-Canada is a fake country.

    It should have been Britain’s Siberia.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @songbird
  297. @Mitleser

    While I don’t really disagree with the sentiment, how does this immigration chart prove that? IIRC, Canadians in the pre-WWI period were already beginning to diverge from the UK (more so than Australia and NZ where immigration was primarily Anglo-Celtic) due to non-British immigration from Europe.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  298. In defense of the oft-criticized Ukrainians . . .

    World-Low 9% of Ukrainians Confident in Government

    In the lead-up to the presidential election on March 31, Ukrainians go to the polls with less faith in their government than is true for any other electorate in the world. Just 9% of residents have confidence in the national government, the lowest confidence level in the world for the second straight year. This is far below the regional median for former Soviet states (48%) as well as the global average (56%) in 2018. . . Just 12% of adults in Ukraine in 2018 said they have confidence in the honesty of elections, representing a decline from the 26% who held this sentiment in 2014, indicating growing distrust toward the electoral system in the country.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/247976/world-low-ukrainians-confident-government.aspx

  299. @utu

    From your link;

    In the majority of Jewish heirless property matters there is a lack of documents providing even indirect information about the property and its owners (or their relatives). In some regions, pre-war land and mortgage registers were completely destroyed during the war. Additionally, civil status records for the Jewish community in many cities and regions were completely destroyed. There is also no chance of finding death certificates of Jewish property owners, especially those murdered in concentration camps; such documents were often never issued. Frequently there are no documents or witnesses who could provide even indirect confirmation that a particular individual or family was transported to a concentration camp or other location.

    Oh boy conditions for the perfect Scam, this’s basically a blank Cheque the Poles are royally screwed. The Germans already payed them for the atrocities committed in Poland and now the Poles who didn’t even have a government have to pay them. And the Jews wonder why they are universally reviled.

  300. AP says:
    @Adam

    Canada is undergoing an extremely rapid demographic transformation. It will become majority non-white.

    My point is that this process would have been much faster had Ukrainians, Italians and other non-Anglos not come to Canada en masse.

    The prescence of peripheral Europeans has nothing to do with immigration policy. Just because Poles in Poland don’t like immigration doesn’t mean that they form some kind of anti-immigration bloc in the diaspora.

    There is a diaspora Ukrainian in the current Canadian (Liberal) government however most Ukrainians vote Conservative in Canada and tend to oppose non-European immigration.

    Peripheral Europeans don’t have some right to societies built by Northern Europeans.

    On this, I agree. Canada was fairly unsettled when the Ukrainians arrived; they found virgin lands in the west and turned them into prosperous farms.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  301. @German_reader

    Long time back when you could comment on all topics in the Guardian I asked a question about the cost/benefit analysis of mass Muslim migration to the west, I pointed out that on the cost side I saw a rapidly growing mound of dead bodies and I said that the benefits would have to be extraordinary to justify the cost could someone just point out the benefit to me as I seemed to have missed it. Complete silence but the comment was allowed to stand.

    Allowing Muslim mass migration to any non Muslim society is literally suicidally stupid.

  302. Mitleser says:
    @Hyperborean

    They also got many of the wrong kind of non-British immigrants from Europe whose descendants were opposed to the Anglo-French culture of Canada.

    No one noticed as this train left the station where it was heading. In the train wreck that is multiculturalism in Canada, Pierre Trudeau has to take pride of place. It was the above cited on Oct. 8, 1971 on presenting the fourth report of the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism, which created Canada’s policy of multiculturalism.

    But even a clever and willful prime minister can’t act on his own. Trudeau was supported encouraged and prodded by others who wanted to do away with French and English culture and replace it with a mosaic, including their own. Who were these “guilty men” who played a part in ruining the country?

    I’ve found one answer in an article in the Canadian Ethnic Studies Journal by Julia Lalande. After giving some background on the reasons for the B&B commission, she moves to the role of the Ukrainian community in Canada, which was beginning to flex its muscles.

    The problem for the Ukrainians about the Biculturalism commission, she says, was that it was about biculturalism:

    Many groups that were part of the third force (the most vocal of which was the Ukrainian-Canadian community) were exasperated by the commission’s focus on bilingualism, but talk of biculturalism frustrated them even more.

    To change the focus, the Ukrainians started a massive lobbying campaign to open biculturalism up and convert it, holus bolus into multiculturalism.

    For Ukrainian Canadians, the early years of the discussion on multiculturalism coincided with the seventy-fifth anniversary of Ukrainian settlement in Canada in 1966. By this time, Ukrainians had evolved into a strong community very much interested in the preservation of its language and traditions. In the 1960s, this concern with conserving their culture was expressed in their strenuous involvement in the multiculturalism debate. For example, Ukrainians made the most submissions to the B&B Commission, and they actively discussed the issue in the community and in their newspapers. Their submissions to the hearings of the B&B Commission, letters to politicians, speeches and addresses, as well as resolutions at community meetings offer insight into their position. The ideas — one could even call them demands — outlined in these sources can be classified into demands for participation, recognition, and equality.

    This lobbying campaign must be what Heritage Canada describes as “many, particularly from Western Canada, mounted a campaign for recognition” without naming the “many” it refers to.

    https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/08/origins-of-multiculturalism-in-canada-the-ukrainian-connection.html

  303. @AP

    Canadian Anglos created racially restrictionist immigration legislation before the war just like Anglos in Australia and America did.

    In all three countries this was dismantled in the generation after the war.

    I agree that singling out Ukrainian-Canadians is silly. There was the matter of how the war itself radically transformed attitudes for the worse, and with respect to Canada in particular obviously French-Canadians were much more invested in pushing multiculturalism (a policy formally enacted by the current PM’s father).

    They did play some role–a recurring problem with non-foundational populations is a tendency to interpret restrictionist legislation as a personal insult. Fortunately this tendency typically fades as the generations pass with everyone other than the Jews.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  304. @German_reader

    It’s not widely known as well that Germany had advanced TV network, including broadcasting of 1936 Olympics and even soccer matches for wounded soldiers in hospitals during WWII. Extremely efficient media propagandists like Goebbels would’ve ensured 3rd Reich media domination in the post-war world.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  305. @Adam

    They shouldn’t as they started to settle in the area pretty much at the same time as latvians

    • Replies: @LatW
  306. @Konstantin

    iirc Goebbels disliked television, he thought it wasn’t as suitable for propaganda as cinema.
    But yes, there were some early television programmes in 1930s Germany:

    from 0.52 onwards there’s a “comedian” joking about Konzertlager.

    • Replies: @songbird
  307. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    No doubt, he would change his mind today, if he understood any number of factors.

    The history of TV with regard to the Overton window. The global reach of a show like”Hercules” or “Baywatch.” The effect of American television shows like “Dallas” on communist Eastern Europe. Streaming. High definition. The widescreen aspect ratio of modern TVs. Not to mention, the budget of shows like “Game of Thrones”, about $15 million per episode.

    At least, as a vehicle for promulgating leftist politics, it seems pretty effective. Perhaps, the reverse would not be true.

  308. Mitleser says:

    ZOG and refuge in audacity

    • Replies: @songbird
  309. songbird says:
    @Mitleser

    The Trudeaus should have been sent into the diamond mines of Nanavut and fed the nutritious byproducts of the seal harvest.

  310. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    Why the plural? I only called you an autistic normie, did I call anyone else that?

    I’ve seen you refer to yourself as this, which is a good sign, since it shows some self-awareness. Normie brain does not chase their own tail on endless strange conspiracy theories. This makes your comments entertaining, so when you start projecting and then attacking autism it seems like you are engaging in self-hatred.

    I like your comments generally, but you need people point out your blindspots and overliteralism.

    people tend to believe in things which are good for them.

    Of course, the ideologies can be more attractive to some demographics for this reason.

    But to reduce the reason people believed Marxism to “Jewish racial self-interest”, is nonsense.
    You’ll have to explain all non-Jews, from Engels or Lenin, or China, et al, had some separate reason for believing Marxism.

    If people believe everything for racial self-interest, why are there so many liberals today who want to punish their own races.

    Also there is the fact for Marxism, that Marxism wanted to dissolve Jews as a separate nationality, and was largely successful to do that where it was an official ideology. Moreover, Jews which believed Marxism, usually did not have group identity as Jews, and were effectively acolytes of a new religion. Marx himself had an attitude to Jews like Ron Unz on here.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @reiner Tor
  311. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Remember there is a lot of difference of Ukrainians who emigrate to Canada at least since the 1990s-2018, and Canadians who were descended from some kind of Second World War refugees.

    Ukrainians which emigrated from 1990s-2018 to Canada, are Ukrainian people in the sense we understand. (And a lot of them identify, kind of accurately, as Russians-Canadians).

    If you go to highschool in Ukraine/USSR, then they will be “Ukrainian-Canadian” in meaningful sense.

    People and their descendants which emigrated from Second World War.: will be more Canadians of Ukrainian ancestry or blood. The soul and culture is more like any other born Canadians.

  312. @Dmitry

    Engels was a sex-crazed degenerate and Lenin was a one man coalition of the fringes (German, Swedish, Kalmyk, Jewish) to use Steve Sailer’s term.

    A major common denominator today with ethnomasochistic (John Derbyshire’s term) white liberals who seek to punish or even eradicate the white race itself is weakness. If you look at the physiognomy of white liberals they are usually fundamentally weak people. The men are effeminate and the women ugly.

    Thus they are engaged in virtue signalling. Instead of advocating directly for their interests they seek to bolster their social status and occupational success by loudly repeating dominant, high-status social norms.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @DFH
    , @reiner Tor
  313. songbird says:
    @Mitleser

    Hoyer is a dinosaur. He will turn 80, this year, if he is lucky. But there are at least three people older than him in the House, including Maxine Waters, though none are record holders. He is older than Pelosi.

    Starting in 1962, he was on the staff of Senator Brewster, along with Pelosi. They have been in Washington before the decline of the US even started (at least, if you take the short view of 1965 being the staring point.) That is really quite amazing to think about – and in all that time, they have only become more successful.

  314. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Lenin was a one man coalition of the fringes

    Lenin had a lot of mixed blood in his family tree. No-one in Russia of the time, nor Lenin himself, would perceive Lenin in terms like that though.

    He did not belong to any “minority” nationality or culture. He was a nationally Russian, middle class dude. Perhaps having mixed, incompatible blood has unconsciously influenced his psychology though. But in the conscious sphere, this was not part of his identity or a conscious motive for his fanatical life.

    The problem with Lenin is that his psychology, was a bit like Osama bin Laden.

    major common denominator today with ethnomasochistic (John Derbyshire’s term) white liberals who seek to punish or even eradicate the white race itself is weakness.

    Of course, and as in your example, self-interest, and not even economic self-interest, let alone racial self-interest, can not explain common political behaviours.

    Marx and Marxism’s attitude to Jews and Judaism, is not unlike Ron Unz on here. He saw Jews a problem and fundamental obstacle, and wanted to remove and dissolve Jews as a separate people as a precondition for communism.

    But Marxism was a very seductive religion, which passionately believed, often in support of self-interest, but also sometimes against self interest. For Jews, it was useful of course, Marxism was useful a offering a path to dissolve their separate identity and assimilate to universal society.

    But in fact, many bourgeois people seduced by Marxism, even as it would mean loss of their fortunes. Marxism was something seductive, even when it contradicts all your self-interest.

    The best dismantling of Marxism as an actual belief system (and this – in the world of philosophy – is where ideology has to actually be defeated) were not written until after 1917, unfortunately.

  315. Pericles says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    deport all 11 million of them to Sweden, a win, win situation the Chinese get rid of a troublesome minority and Sweden finally gets it chance to become the Islamic Emirate of Sweden. Hypercuckery in action.

    The leader of the ‘Center’ party (quasi-libertarian virtue signallers), a red-headed woman, has claimed on TV that 30 million immigrants is fine. Now part of the center-left government, hooray.

  316. DFH says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    An awful lot of leading Bolsheviks were married to Jewish women too

  317. Pericles says:
    @Hyperborean

    Waterstones bought up most of the old giants, but the stores are still around.

    Apart from Foyle’s, I’ve always enjoyed Hatchards (very near Fortnum & Masons), and also recommend a visit to Waterstones Gower Street, near UCL. I’d also recommend looking through https://www.abebooks.co.uk/ and see if there are any interesting antiquarians to visit.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Hyperborean
  318. Dmitry says:
    @Pericles

    Waterstones

    I think the version of these bookshops in London with the nicest and most spacious atmosphere for reading inside, at least for tourists (I don’t think the books are different though), is the Piccadilly version (opposite side of street than Yoshino Restaurant).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Pericles
  319. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    And large and spacious Piccadilly Waterstones, with a restaurant with a nice view in the top (and some different language books, like Russian, if you are interested), is next to the small Hatchards. So if you buy a book in the latter, can read it in the former.

  320. DFH says:
    @Hyperborean

    The London Review of Books shop is also not bad

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  321. Pericles says:
    @Dmitry

    Do you mean that huge skyscraper-like bookstore? I think it used to be named Simpsons before it was sold.

    Note that the books are not necessarily the same for the ‘name level stores’. For example, the Gower Street store is more of an academic bookshop, as hinted by its location. Many many shelves of obscure graduate textbooks to go through if you like me enjoy that sort of thing. (Similar to Foyle’s in this respect.) Likewise, I’ve found some rare releases in Hatchards that I’ve never seen anywhere else.

    I haven’t visited London in quite a while so things may admittedly have changed. Still worth a look IMO.

    Speaking of antiquarians in London, here is one I’ve wanted to visit: https://www.maggs.com/
    Depends on your level of commitment though.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  322. Dmitry says:
    @DFH

    Socialist bookshop near British Museum, is disgusting though. It’s only books supporting Chavez, trade unions, Chomsky and Allende. They have the same trash sold by Waterstones, but imagine concentrating it all into a very small building.

  323. Dmitry says:
    @Pericles

    Do you mean that huge skyscraper-like bookstore

    Yes I think so. It’s the multistory Waterstones opposite side of Piccadilly from Yoshino restaurant (next to Fortnam and Mason, Hatchards).

    The only difference about the books, is maybe the Russian language books they have. Otherwise, I guess it’s probably the same book selection as other versions of Waterstones.

    But atmosphere of this spacious 1930s building is the nicest for reading in London I think.

    Gower Street store is more of an academic bookshop, as hinted by its location. Many many shelves of obscure graduate textbooks

    I’ve visited as well, although it was years in the past. I don’t think it’s such a pleasant space inside. But yes, I think you can be right there is a lot of selection there and perhaps technical books .

  324. LatW says:
    @Hyperborean

    Well, maybe Western countries can straight up offer them residence?

    No, Germany is not in the cards for the remaining non-citizens as most of them are too attached to the Baltic states or neighboring countries like Belarus. Some of them deliberately do not take out the passport to be able to travel east without a visa to see their relatives. Those who wanted to go to the West already got the passport in 2004 (slightly questionable MO, lol, but ok, let’s not nitpick). No, for them moving West doesn’t make sense, they have their Russophone friend and family network, paid out apartments, they don’t want to be uprooted, learn English, pay exorbitant rents in the West, forget it. Moving is not that easy past age 35 or so.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  325. @LatW

    Well, then I suppose there is not an easy solution.

    Also, what’s your answer to Dmitry’s question:

    What is your view about allegations – perhaps exaggerated – saying there is an “apartheid system” in Latvia today?

  326. LatW says:

    Re: recent wave of Ukrainian immigrants.

    While I agree that N.Euros and E.Euros are not entitled to each others’ space, population, any other resource (and btw N.Euro, Anglo American societies while certainly well cultivated are far from perfect – too much OCD, industry related allergies, obsession with process (taking it too far, that is), physical issues such as lack of robustness among the swpl, that most E.Euros typically don’t have), Americans are very lucky that Ukrainians are coming. I know this might offend as you want from the Isles or Iceland but they are the last Europeans who will be coming. They are also more fertile. Other than very small towns and farming communities the shortage of white kids is visible. Cops are leaving cities because it’s a raw deal for them. The American carnage continues… 🙁

    But the Ukes will become cops and caretakers. That’s a loss for Ukraine, and a gain for the US, even if you don’t feel that way.

    • Replies: @Adam
  327. LatW says:
    @Konstantin

    Ofc, they didn’t. Be careful, dear, people here read anthropology occasionally. If you meant the Wends, nobody knows who they were, could’ve been a coastal Finnic people, nobody’s seen them and they don’t count. If you meant the Ruyan, then yes great people but closer to Polish or even ancient Prussian than Russian. And they lived in Prussia or Germany.

    Russians other than Old Believers who are very different from modern Russians and who were perfectly integrated already during the 1930’s don’t have deep roots in the Baltics. They are very recent arrivals, some as recent as the late 1980s, 90s and later. Most graves are very recent, too.

  328. Roosh’s eulogy for his deceased sister: http://www.rooshv.com/eulogy

    • Replies: @Denis
  329. Adam says:
    @LatW

    America should have remained an essentially Northern European protestant country, as should have Canada. A lot of harm would have been avoided had they done so. People forget the low level ethnic warfare that existed between different groups of European-Americans for well over a century. We did overcome it eventually, but the resulting Euromutt white identity was a prelude to a totally civic identity.

    I’m not a fool though, that ship has sailed long ago. I would take ten million Ukrainians if it meant I didn’t have to deal with Somalians at my doorstep. Though even that would not make a lick of difference. America doesn’t belong to anyone anymore. It’s a marketplace where people like AP can makes lots of money and keep their rooted old world identity while the founding stock of the country is largely left in the dust.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Mr. Hack
  330. Dmitry says:
    @Adam

    Lol how can you say AP anything less than a perfect American in what he writes online? He believes in free market capitalism, private medical insurance and the resurrection of Jesus.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  331. @Dmitry

    Lol how can you say AP anything less than a perfect American in what he writes online? He believes in free market capitalism, private medical insurance and the resurrection of Jesus.

    That is what defines America, then America is an abomination that needs to be abolished.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Dmitry
  332. @Hyperborean

    That is what defines America, then America is an abomination that needs to be abolished.

    It is common here to mock nostalgia-filled Sovoks, but the longer titular Americans dream of a world they lost a long time ago, the worse the harder it will be for them in the future to organise productively.

  333. @Dmitry

    I don’t think it’s a productive conversation. Have a nice Tuesday!

  334. Our current “leaders” are pathetic, but hopefully the next leaders in Europe over the next decades will heed this advice from our supposed enemies who are more realistic:

    How can the bloc be more united? First, the EU needs to assert its independence. Sometimes, taking into account the collective interest, Europe has to yield or partly yield to Washington’s requests which they don’t like.

    During the US-led invasion of Iraq, France and Germany opposed the US. Consequently, Washington broke with the two countries and labeled them as “Old Europe.” The US also formed a coalition with the UK and mustered “New Europe” to teach France and Germany a lesson in diplomacy.

    Another weak point is Europe is too dependent on the US on security and is constrained by NATO. The EU’s independence can’t be realized if it is dependent on security.

    Third, it seems that Europe and the US share the same ideology. However, the truth is, they don’t. Too much US national interests have been plugged into Western ideology, where the interests of Europe are marginalized. Hence, the so-called universal values of the West actually represent what the US wants.

    Europe has become numb under the rule of the US, but some Europeans are sensitive to China’s rise, claiming China is challenging the strategic interests of Europe. They don’t dare to provoke Washington, so they use Beijing as an excuse for Europe’s problems.

    Germany sells more cars in China than in the US. Beijing didn’t set extra limits on top of existing rules, but continued to reduce tariffs on them. China has never demanded that Germany and Russia stop building natural gas pipelines or requested EU companies to quit Iran. It is the US which is doing that kind of thing.

    The EU can compete with the US in economy and technology, but some want to maintain the EU’s secondary status by excluding China. Either the EU forges ahead or will fall behind. Suppressing China won’t bring the EU a promising future.

    The world is changing, and the EU should identify its problems and make strategic adjustments. US interests are rooted in Western opinion. The EU shouldn’t be guided by such opinion, or it will get lost.

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1143407.shtml

  335. @Thorfinnsson

    The vast majority of communist believers were underdogs, who hoped that their (or their groups’) positions would improve under the coming communist utopia. This is true of the majority of communists (who were poor), and some more elite third world leaders (though communist leaders were usually at best middle class). Jews fit this pattern to an extent, but economically speaking they were already top dogs.

    It’s often asserted that Jewish communists never had a Jewish identity, but it’s often difficult to tell, because Jews don’t tell others about their identity. (Nor do they necessarily have the self-awareness to know it themselves if they are motivated by their ethnic identity.) For example Molotov’s wife showed zero signs of a Jewish identity, until she met Golda Meyersson (later Meir) in 1948 and immediately broke in tears. The Moscow synagogue was swarmed by a crowd of Jews several times its capacity when she arrived there – presumably this included any number of Jews who had previously never shown a sign of Jewish ethnic identity. Voroshilov’s wife similarly astonished her family members in 1948 when she announced that “finally we have a country.” At first they didn’t understand who the “we” referred to – she hadn’t shown any signs of a Jewish ethnic identity before. The Hungarian minister of culture (and secretary responsible for culture in the Political Committee of the Hungarian Socialist Workers’ Party) started out as a Zionist, while the communist vice chairman of the Hungarian National Bank (largely responsible for the indebtedness of the country by 1990) quickly discovered his Jewish roots in 1990 and left for Israel.

    Communism clearly wasn’t the dominant ideology of Jews, but it was attractive to a disproportionate number of them, especially considering their economic position. (I.e. they were not poor working class.) This is the reason why Hungary in 1921 made a law (touted in Hungary as the “first racial law against Jews”; I’m not sure if it’s known outside Hungary) which restricted Jews to 5% of students in higher education – they didn’t want to train the leadership of the next communist government.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Mr. XYZ
  336. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    Marxism was produced by Jewish culture assimilated to German philosophy. It contains Jewish eschatology (as also Hegel), and is written in the clever way to disarm 19th century scepticism and rationality.

    Educated Jews, were not particularly attracted by Russian nihilism, and earlier socialism, and their economic interest would be a reforming meritocracy bourgeoisie ruled country, as in England.

    But Marxism was cerebral enough for many (and many parts were not correctly dismantled until much more intelligent men published like Hayek) and contained echos of their religious culture (for both Jews and Christians, who had recently secularized – usually one generation earlier). People who believed Marxism, actually believed it. You don’t need any secret motives, as it’s a very well designed and persuasive system, which seems to explain everything, and also satisfies the same religious needs which had been lost by recent secularization.

    In terms of racial interest, it offered explicitly Jews, to dissolve their Jewish racial position, and assimilate to a new, living religion (emotionally similar to Christianity, but with impact in a real world).

    Unlike generations of Jews before – Jews who believed Marxism, intermarried with Slavs without sadness, and saw Jews as a religious problem, dissolved the Jewish religion, and started to dissolve all customs which historically separated Jews from Russians, Ukrainians, etc.

    Obviously most Jews were not Marxist, but once in USSR, their dividers from society are constantly dissolved, and they can’t follow any of the primitive Jewish differentiators (like circumcision). Eventually 80% are marrying non-Jews, and without assortative mating (Israel today is full of gopniks from all shits of the former USSR).

    Is this racial interest?

    Equivalent is if some American intellectual whites, partly for their self-interest, find fashionable an fanatical new ideology, written by a white racial-intermmarryier, which along with many other goals, aims to dissolve “whites” as the separate identity, and at the same time they start to intermarry with blacks. Some of the “intellectuals” are politically powerful as result of revolution, and join as part of the multiracial rulers of a country where dividers of “white” separate identity are removed, so with a result that most whites marry with blacks, and whites have lost white identity in some predictable authoritarian dystopia.

    And then after various genocides, some of whites change their opinion, and go to a white country, but by this time they do not know white customs and have a lot of black blood, and are not allowed to marry official whites in the traditional religion.

    It would be quite a strange “American white nationalism”.

    Perhaps later, when awhole system collapsed, blacks would want to blame white partly originators of the disaster. They could say these were secret white nationalists following a white nationalist conspiracy. . .

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @reiner Tor
  337. Craig Murray did an update on the Skripal story a few weeks ago. From the new information that has come out, we now know that the first person to find the Skripals on that park bench was — I kid you not — the Chief Nurse of the British Army! Murray also writes that a prominent BBC journalist working on the story, Mark Urban, was in the army with Skripal’s MI6 handler, Pablo Miller. And this is merely the tip of the iceberg.

    My best guess at this time is that Boshirov and Petrov, the two GRU grunts, were in Salisbury on some shady business or other, possibly related to the NATO exercise that was held in the area at the time, and that they were framed by the British government to turn up the heat on Russia. The Skripals were probably in on it and were not poisoned by Novichok. There are some loose ends to this explanation, but taking a few steps back from the hysteria, I don’t find it so very odd.

    As with the Iraqi WMD hoax, and now the Russiagate conspiracy theory, this story shows that, far from honoring the democratic principles that they claim to defend, our governments are hard at work subverting the press for their own uses and keeping the man on the street actively disinformed about what happens in his country. Just think of what an enormous betrayal that is.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-points-i-just-cant-believe-about-the-official-skripal-narrative/

  338. Dmitry says:
    @Hyperborean

    Just some abstract concepts though, not real life.

    What was your impression of America, and things you see with your own eyes, from visiting the country? I have a lot of mixed impressions, as much good as bad.

  339. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Eventually 80% are marrying non-Jews, and without assortative mating (Israel today is full of gopniks from all shits of the former USSR).

    This meant to write “gopniks from all shitholes of the former USSR”, especially Ukraine – but shits sounds good as well.

    In the USSR, Jews had lower social status than normal people, and they didn’t have the same economic advantages as they have in capitalism. Combined with geographic restrictions and ban on their religion – this was the way to make them mass intermarry with Ukrainian gopniks, which they have done, from the descendants you can see in Israeli ghettos.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @melanf
  340. @Dmitry

    People who believed Marxism, actually believed it.

    Did I ever say the opposite?

    People always honestly believe and feel things. Poor people honestly believe in redistribution, and as they get richer, they honestly start believing in laissez-faire capitalism, low taxes and other similar things. Most people don’t even notice how conveniently their sincere-to-God beliefs tend to follow their interests.

    Another example might be women marrying for money: they very often honestly fall in love with the millionaires.

    You don’t need any secret motives

    You need an explanation why more Jews followed it than gentiles, proportionately, when Jews were richer, on average.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  341. Denis says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Damn. I certainly wasn’t expecting that from him.

  342. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    You need an explanation why more Jews followed it than gentiles, proportionately, when Jews were richer, on average.

    I discussed in text above.

    1. It provided opportunity for Jews to dissolve their Jewish identity, and convert to a universal religion, in which the lamb will lie with the lion.

    If belonging to group is a burden, there is motive for many to dissolve the group.

    Interest of many Jews in the early 20th century, was to leave being Jews. A significant proportion of Jews in the early 20th century, did not enjoy being Jews. They were also mass converting to Christianity in this era, although Christianity was dying at the same time, while Marxism was a living faith, which would produce real external changes, such as a universal society in which they would be citizens of this beautiful future utopia (in which, according to Marx, you could go fish in the morning, and then debate philosophy in the afternoon).

    2. Marxism is Jewish eschatology, transposed on German philosophy, and re-written in an materialist way that educated, “rational”, post-19th century, people, can believe.

    I don’t think Jews were disproportionately interested in Russian nihilism or the utopias of Charles Fourier. But Marx’s vision is also Biblical, and is result of a Jewish writer who had rejected his ancestor’s religion, but unconsciously transposed a lot of this religion onto a German philosophy, that itself had a biblical, supernatural structure (just God is revealing himself in Hegelian dialectics, hidden in economic history).

    Secular people (with Christian and Jewish parents) 100 years were not like secular people today, where even our great-grandparents were not actually religious.

    In the early 20th century, the rational part of the mind rejected religion, but the whole imagination and unconscious was still much more full of biblical visions and responded emotionally to these

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  343. Epigon says:
    @Dmitry

    Israel today is full of gopniks from all shits of the former USSR

    Jews had lower social status than normal people

    Shlomo overload

  344. Mr. Hack says:
    @Adam

    It’s a marketplace where people like AP can makes lots of money and keep their rooted old world identity while the founding stock of the country is largely left in the dust.

    What a ridiculous notion. How in the world do the AP’s of the US in any way hinder the development or ability of the ‘founding stock’ from maintaining their culture in the US? They vote alike (Republican I’m guessing), pray to the same Jesus in churches on Sunday (prefer incensed temples being one small difference), shop at the same stores, workout at the same health clubs and eventually will be playing golf and tennis at the same clubs. They, and especially their kids, speak the same English language on a day to day basis. American assimilation is all pervasive, a little bit of the old world charm is actually what a lot of Anglo-Saxons envy not having within their lives.

    • Replies: @Adam
  345. Adam says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The US is where different groups with different identities compete to make money. There’s no American culture and the English language is just a trade language. The titular ‘American nation’ has been reduced to just one of many groups in the US, which the ruling class and other nations are largely hostile to.

    I don’t claim that Ukrainian Americans harm America in any meaningful way. I’m just bantzing AP, who has a strong Ukrainian identity and a homeland to fall back to while he sits comfortably in the US. People like me don’t have that privilege.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @anonymous coward
    , @AP
  346. @Adam

    Russians in the Baltics should learn the local languages

    Russian is a local Baltic language.

    E.g., The city known as ‘Tartu’ was founded in 1030 by (the Russian ruler) Yaroslav I under the name of ‘Yuryev’.

    The Baltic ethnicities and countries really only exist thanks to Russian magnanimity.

  347. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    In the USSR, Jews had lower social status than normal people

    This is an incorrect statement, to put it mildly.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  348. @Dmitry

    Very coherent explanation of Jewish (disproportionate) propensity for Marxism, in fact it is quite similar to that in Yuri Slezkine’s The Jewish Century (strongly recommended if you haven’t already read it).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  349. LatW says:
    @Adam

    You have a point, it is much more competitive now, and yes it is rigged (but more along generational lines).

    And E.Euros have not been the most extractive of the US.

    People such as AP do well anywhere because they’re intelligent and are conscientious about their choices.

    It’s more of a class thing. And the titular nation has done nicely from the stock market rally and asset appreciation. Many founders of tech companies are Scots Irish & Anglos. Bezos’ real name is Jorgensen, and the founder of Snapchat is like a 30 yo Anglo.

    That they have chosen an ideological confrontation with the Anglo masses is sad and yes it’s not a real nation anymore that way. Your original idea of the nation is totally fine by me. It would be smaller, with much less global appeal which I’m sure you’d prefer and probably competing with other sizable nations on the continent.

    • Agree: Adam
  350. Dmitry says:
    @melanf

    It can be simply shown.

    When parents of two different nationalities had children, they could choose one of two parents’ nationality for the children.

    In families where one parent is Jewish and the other parent is not-Jewish, they would choose commonly not-Jewish nationality for their children.

    One of my grandfather’s was Jewish as his mother was a Jewess (so in the most strict sense he was the Jew, as the mother is the only important criteria for Jews). So he was a real Jew. However, all his documents it is written, his nationality is Russian, because his parents’ chose his father’s nationality instead of his mother’s. They were not antisemitic. It was just better in the USSR, to be Russian, than to be Jew.

    And this was ubiquitous for the Jews, you can see: in forums for people who want to apply for repatriation/work visas for Israel today, hundreds of people are complaining they had a Jewish ancestor, but their documentation does not correspond. People in the USSR, did not want their children to be Jews, when they had a choice.

    • Replies: @Gerard2
    , @melanf
    , @Mr. XYZ
  351. Dmitry says:
    @for-the-record

    Thanks.

    I didn’t read this book about Jews though, and probably it would not be so interesting for me.

    I’m interested in any book recommended about Marx and Marxism, though. Generally, I quite like reading any textbooks or essays on Marxism (it always seems to be me, the 19th century’s worst hacker, and Marxism like a beautifully designed, computer virus).

    In English, I found this one which looks good :
    https://libcom.org/files/decrypted_Isaiah-Berlin-Karl-Marx-His-Life-And-Environment.pdf

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  352. Gerard2 says:
    @LatW

    Russians other than Old Believers who are very different from modern Russians and who were perfectly integrated already during the 1930’s don’t have deep roots in the Baltics. They are very recent arrivals, some as recent as the late 1980s, 90s and later. Most graves are very recent, too.

    I would be careful of making stupid statements if from a country (Latvia)that has an American Prime Minister ,who still has American citizenship ,and has lived in the country for 50 years less then some great people who built the country(but yet this piece of shit seeks to impose his views on them-with his best Delaware accent)

    Similar thing with Freiberga( is she even living in Latvia now?) – all just Nazi scum families who escaped to the US, became (mildly-qualified) nutjobs…..surely these puppet countries could elect somebody who has actually lived in Latvia, opposed but “endured” the Soviet years and would be a better representative…instead of one just showing up how demented and plastic the country is?

    Not to mention you have a Russian president now..a traitor to his father but still the president of Latvia

    No voting rights, makes your comments about the options in migration the ethnic russians irrelevant…it more than cancels out the latter. A cynical exploitation of ethnic russian docile, hardworking but relative political apathy is also disgusting.

  353. Gerard2 says:
    @Dmitry

    About a zillion jews in the west seem to have experienced “delayed” learning of their Jewish ancestry. Nothing USSR-centric about this type of thing at all. I would guess into the hundreds of thousands to a few million of those with both parents jewish who have anglised their name to the point of eliminating all Jewishness in it. I would guess they felt holding an outright jewish name would have harmed their chances of upward social mobility.

    Two major events composed near-entirely by jews, which instead of giving numerous ammunition to those lazily ascribing international jewry at work in everything…gives non-ending talk of Russia at work in everything

    The US spy ring in the 1940’s/50’s was near all jewish , but there was zero backlash for jewry….and a massive backlash for the USSR

    Russiagate is basically more jewish than Kosher-pie if you look at the personalities (alleged ) to have been involved (plus the odd guy from Azerbaijan), but what does it become instead of about the jews? All about Russia

    You can only praise the skill of the jewish lobby in the US for this act of misdirection

    It’s similar brainwashing done on issues such as MH-17 getting downed …….people are lead to subconsiously eliminate all sensible thinking processes .I would guess 95% of westerners hearing about it never had any thought whatsoever about the Ukrainian military, intelligence and political establishment and what role they may have played in it. Because it’s an irrelevant prostitute , fake country ….the cognitive processes isn’t there and they are lead to believe it was either “the west” or “Russia” who could have done it..and it couldn’t possibly be the west.All the while ANY technical knowledge or critical thinking are eliminated

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  354. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    In families where one parent is Jewish and the other parent is not-Jewish, they would choose commonly not-Jewish nationality for their children

    Actually it’s a universal phenomenon around the world (e.g. the children of the Russian-German marriage in Russia will be Russian, and in Germany will be Germans). The social status of Jews in the USSR is quite measured statistically-the ecological niche of Soviet Jews was the “middle class” (and rather the upper middle class). The average income of Soviet Jews and their level of education (and, accordingly, their social status) was noticeably higher than the average income/level of education of the rest of population.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  355. @Adam

    AP, who has a strong Ukrainian identity

    AP knows nothing at all about the Ukraine. He has a Galician identity. I.e., a Jewish-Polish mutt.

  356. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Dmitry

    And this was ubiquitous for the Jews, you can see: in forums for people who want to apply for repatriation/work visas for Israel today, hundreds of people are complaining they had a Jewish ancestor, but their documentation does not correspond. People in the USSR, did not want their children to be Jews, when they had a choice.

    What about using DNA testing?

    Of course, I do think that Israel needs to be more open to the idea of accepting non-Jewish immigrants. After all, I would think that it would be terrible to prevent someone from immigrating to a particular country merely because of his or her ethnic group or religion.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @German_reader
  357. @Mr. XYZ

    I would think that it would be terrible to prevent someone from immigrating to a particular country merely because of his or her ethnic group or religion.

    Why would it be terrible?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  358. AP says:
    @Adam

    My people never took welfare, paid taxes and in the case of my father employed dozens of well-paid Americans in his company. They also vote Republican and for Trump for the same reasons most people here did. But yes – my father in his 70s says he’ll be fine but we or our children can always go to Ukraine if the Left sinks America.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Gerard2
    , @Mr. XYZ
  359. Hibernian says:
    @LondonBob

    “…despite Irish and Royalist black propaganda otherwise.”

    When you’re a common enemy of the Irish and the Royalists, you might rethink your position.

  360. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    I guessed correctly! 🙂

  361. donnyess says: • Website

    Gaming PC performance requirements have to do with the quality of the monitor. The AnandTech site ‘guides’ menu shows recommended boards for 2019…a Radeon RX 570 for 150 bucks.

    You should be thinking about a NVME SSD…expensive but almost mandatory on a new system. I wouldn’t buy a computer without an ssd.

  362. Beckow says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Thanks. I usually pick authors who try to argue against the established view of history – one learns more that way. What is often missing in mainstream is understanding of the others’ point of view. We can read them and disagree, but at least we disagree based on what they say, not on what others say they should say, or – most often – based on nothing. A one-sided argument is an oxymoron, but the intellectual elites seem to like it that way.

    My view is that bringing millions of slaves into America was a fatal error. The consequences have not fully played out yet – it might eventually destroy US from within. The never-ending attempts to correct this original error usually make it worse. Opening US to mass migration from the Third World can be traced to guilty feelings among some in the elite, but more directly also to an explicit attempt to dilute the legacy of slavery. It has made it worse, but they will keep on trying.

    When in a hole, what is there to do but to dig some more…

  363. @Mr. XYZ

    After all, I would think that it would be terrible to prevent someone from immigrating to a particular country merely because of his or her ethnic group or religion.

    Is that a joke?
    Israel was supposed to be a Jewish nation state, non-Jewish immigration on a mass scale would obviously be detrimental to that project.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Mr. XYZ
    , @Dmitry
  364. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    The Israeli Rabbinate is supposedly using DNA tests now to determine who is a Jew. I disclaim any understanding of Israeli law, but I believe the Right of Return means that interfaces with immigration.

    I think it is a good idea actually (beyond the questionable idea of the state somehow getting your DNA). I’d like to see it adopted more widely. DNA is an obvious, effective and relatively cheap tool to tamp down on this false universality. Since people are highly irrational and don’t like using skin color, I’d like to see it adopted as a means around that. Genetic distance would be a good replacement, IMO.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Dmitry
  365. @songbird

    I don’t know, I might be in favour of European countries adopting a “right of return” for European-Americans and other European-descended peoples, but I don’t really see the utility of DNA tests. Ideological tests would be more important imo (e.g. I would never allow someone like Rod Dreher to settle in Europe, because he’s just an Americanist über-cuck behind the veneer of his pretend Europhilia).
    But right now that’s fantasy anyway, since one can’t even achieve consensus about the general undesirability of Muslims and Africans as immigrants, which should be a commonsense position.

    • Replies: @songbird
  366. Austrian government is considering banning the Identitarians, because Brenton Tarrant seems to have donated money to them in 2018 (probably with the intention of causing such a reaction):
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-newzealand-shootout-austria/man-charged-with-nz-mosque-attacks-gave-cash-to-austrian-far-right-chancellor-kurz-idUSKCN1R80MX

    Sebastian Kurz is a total scumbag, one should never trust Christian Democrats.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @songbird
  367. @Dmitry

    In English, I found this one which looks good :
    https://libcom.org/files/decrypted_Isaiah-Berlin-Karl-Marx-His-Life-And-Environment.pdf

    I read that decades before you were born, so once you have read it you can refresh my memory if it says anything memorable.

  368. Mr. XYZ says:
    @reiner Tor

    Because I believe in a more multicultural society as long as everyone else assimilates. After all, I would have loathed to be told that I can’t come to the US because I am Slavic and Jewish as opposed to Anglo-Saxon.

  369. @Mr. XYZ

    Because I believe in a more multicultural society as long as everyone else assimilates.

    You’ve got your inherent contradiction right there.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  370. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    Mass intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews combined with a more flexible and inclusive definition of “Who is a Jew?” would solve that problem. I mean, I’m only a quarter Jewish to my knowledge in terms of ancestry and yet I still identify as Jewish.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  371. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    Not necessarily. I don’t care if different peoples keep their own ethnic foods and languages just as long as they will learn English and don’t spread radical ideas into the US (such as advocating in favor of the death penalty for apostasy or advocating in favor of female genital mutilation).

  372. DFH says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Slavic and Jewish

    1. Pick one
    2. Now everything makes sense

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  373. @Mr. XYZ

    I don’t care if different peoples keep their own ethnic foods and languages

    That’s about as superficial as it gets, the sort of assumption that has led Western societies into their current predicament.
    There’s no enforcement mechanism for meaningful assimilation, once you’ve given immigrants citizenship, they can be as tribal as they want. And many obviously are (one merely needs to look at the bizarre spectacle in US politics of Zionist Jews vs. Somali and Palestinian Muslims…probably not what the founders of the US had in mind when they claimed the “rights of freeborn Englishmen” for themselves).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  374. Epigon says:

    @reiner Tor

    Is there a lot of media noise regarding the arrival of International Investment Bank to Budapest?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  375. Mr. XYZ says:
    @DFH

    Genetically, I would say Slavic. In terms of cultural identification, I would say Jewish.

  376. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    Maybe if there was less of an emphasis in the US (and perhaps Western Europe as well) on identity politics, then maybe we would see less tribalism.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  377. @Mr. XYZ

    Because I believe in a more multicultural society as long as everyone else assimilates. After all, I would have loathed to be told that I can’t come to the US because I am Slavic and Jewish as opposed to Anglo-Saxon.

    EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  378. @Mr. XYZ

    Identity politics is a natural consequence of mass immigration. Many immigrants have extremely strong identities anyway (lots of Muslims certainly do), they don’t need any encouragement from leftist radicals for that.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  379. Mr. XYZ says:
    @reiner Tor

    Communism clearly wasn’t the dominant ideology of Jews, but it was attractive to a disproportionate number of them, especially considering their economic position. (I.e. they were not poor working class.) This is the reason why Hungary in 1921 made a law (touted in Hungary as the “first racial law against Jews”; I’m not sure if it’s known outside Hungary) which restricted Jews to 5% of students in higher education – they didn’t want to train the leadership of the next communist government.

    In regards to Jewish quotas, as much as the Left might not want to hear this, they actually make sense from a blank slatist perspective. After all, if there are genuinely no genetic IQ differences between different groups of people, then it makes sense to give groups with a lower average IQ preferential treatment when it comes to things such as university admissions, employment, et cetera.

  380. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    For what it’s worth, I do think that Europe is doing multiculturalism wrong. I’d have only imported the higher-IQ Muslims and let lower-IQ Muslims remain in their home countries. That way, maybe there would be less violence whenever someone draws a cartoon of Muhammad.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  381. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    This seems like a good argument for large-scale intermarriage, no? Of course, the problem with that is that different ethnic groups are going to lose their uniqueness and that the amount of smart fractions in one’s country might very well significantly decrease.

    Which ethnic groups in the US are the least ethno-nationalistic?

  382. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I agree. Skin color (and by extension ancestry) are poor proxies for politics, although much superior to the fiction that exists now that it is about the arguments and all you need is to convince the blacks and Arabs to join the anti-globalists, as Utu seems to believe. But that may be of diminishing importance, if TFR is lower among the far left.

    Tests of ideology might be difficult to administer – I expect that there would be no compunction about lying, and it would be easy to figure out the right answers, as “refugees” do. Maybe, you could use an fMRI, or measure the relative sizes of brain tissues such as the amygdala. Of course, I think politics comes from competing evolutionary strategies, so it would be in the DNA. (At least to a reasonable, if imperfect extent.)

    But on Earth, you have the problem of all land being already claimed, so that makes it more difficult to use tests of ideology. I don’t really entertain the idea, as I think it would be too difficult politically – I suppose that could change, if there was a break-up. A real, if seemingly fanciful possibility would be using them for space colonization. But, of course, there are serious technical hurdles, and you basically need state-backing to devote the resources to get into space.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  383. Mr. XYZ says:

    For what it’s worth, I am well-aware that some Jews’ support for multiculturalism in the West while opposing non-Jewish immigration to Israel contributes to anti-Semitism among Gentiles. In this regard, I think that much more Jews should follow my lead and embrace multiculturalism for Israel. I don’t mean importing massive numbers of low-IQ Muslims and Africans. Rather, what I mean is allowing high-IQ non-Jewish immigrants from anywhere except perhaps the Muslim world (due to their extremely long period of hostility with Israel) immigrate to Israel and acquire Israeli citizenship.

    I also think that civil marriage needs to be legalized in Israel and that Israel needs to adopt a more inclusive and tolerant definition of “Who is a Jew?”

  384. @Mr. XYZ

    That way, maybe there would be less violence whenever someone draws a cartoon of Muhammad.

    Mohammed Atta probably had a fairly high IQ by Egyptian standards.
    “Doing multiculturalism wrong”…multiculturalism is wrong per se, there isn’t any right version of it. All that “the US is so much better at integrating Muslims” stuff is garbage as well, there have been plenty of Islamic terror attacks in the US, and people like Ilhan Omar obviously aren’t integrated into any meaningful American identity at all (even though they use SJW language for promoting their Islamic agenda).

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Mr. XYZ
  385. Mr. XYZ says:
    @songbird

    Yeah, if you’re going to try figuring out potential immigrants’ political ideologies, the best move might be to look at their DNA.

  386. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    That’s interesting that you give the possibility of a long-term time horizon. I wonder if he had that purpose in going to Israel – that he knew he would be accused of being Mossad. But that was supposedly in 2016, so perhaps too long ago.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  387. @songbird

    I think he said he had planned the attack for at least two years, so who knows?
    But getting the identitarians (an explicitly non-violent nationalist movement) banned would certainly fit his accelerationist programme of destroying chances for peaceful activism (though he’s probably wrong that masses of people will turn to violence as a consequence, only a few will do that, resignation and apathy is more likely among the majority).
    Tarrant seems to be a pretty warped personality, his nihilism is unappealing, but his political calculations aren’t completely wrong. The reactions to his attack are probably just what he expected.

  388. @Mr. XYZ

    I would rather that people practice female genital mutilation than keep their ethnic foods and languages.

    Ethnic foods results in having to deal with other people’s food taboos (hindoos and beef, mohammedans and pork, etc.). Annoying for the same reason vegetarians and vegans are annoying.

    Foreign languages means having to hear incomprehensible foreign babbling in public spaces.

    FGM means their daughters get their clits lopped off. Who cares?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  389. Epigon says:

    Dangers of Multiculturalism!

    Schräge Musik at the end!

    Watching NBA and other sports events, when cameras switch to spectators, you can see exactly what Jung was writing about – even White Americans are very un-European in their behaviour and demeanour, on average.
    This is true even for high class Americans.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  390. DFH says:
    @German_reader

    Mohammed Atta probably had a fairly high IQ by Egyptian standards.

    I think most ‘fundamentalist’ Muslims (or whatever you want to call them) have a higher than average IQ for their groups; for instance, students and in particular engineering or medical students are/were very over-represented among them in Arab countries

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  391. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    For a guy who seems to be imbued with a free market, laissez faire sort of spirit, you sure sound like somebody more prone to an insufferable case of cultural constipation. Could be the result of a diet too high in meats? More vegetables, especially leafy green ones like spinach might help you out?

    As for your inability to countenance others around you speaking in foreign tongues, perhaps your instincts are correct – they’re definitely talking about you, pointing out some of your basic paranoia and idiosyncrasies! 🙂

    (Lucky thing that you live in a small town somewhere in the Mid West)…

  392. @Mr. Hack

    Speaking as someone who speaks a foreign tongue fluently, I can confirm that it is a great secret code for disparaging others in public spaces.

    One of the best things about living in a rural area is precisely the lack of diversity.

    I do like big cities, but unfortunately thanks to the never ending hell of immigration one is never at home in these cities.

    And even here in a rural area one suffers from this on the telephone. It’s particularly bad in Canada, no doubt due to their high rate of immigration. Half the time when talking to Canadian businesses one ends up dealing with someone who has some gibberish non-European name and speaks broken, accented English.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  393. DFH says:
    @Mr. Hack

    As for your inability to countenance others around you speaking in foreign tongues,

    90% of non-European languages sound horrible and even otherwise pleasant European languages sound obnoxious when foreigners use them in your spaces.

  394. @Mr. Hack

    As for your inability to countenance others around you speaking in foreign tongues, perhaps your instincts are correct – they’re definitely talking about you, pointing out some of your basic paranoia and idiosyncrasies! 🙂

    Two of my Elder Brothers during the year they were in the USA as young children, they would often make inappropriate remarks about people in public precisely because no one understood them.

  395. Dmitry says:
    @melanf

    the ecological niche of Soviet Jews was the “middle class” (and rather the upper middle class). The average income of Soviet Jews and their level of education (and, accordingly, their social status)

    On average as total population, secularized Ashkenazi Jews probably had a higher capacity for studying, compared to other nationalities. In addition with internal cultural norms, it resulted in higher educational level and higher proportion of the population working as educated specialists (aside from overrepresentation in blackmarket economy).

    This is not saying anything about their social position as Jews. To be Jew, was not cool to be, socially in the USSR. It was surely among the more loser nationalities, socially.

    universal phenomenon around the world (e.g. the children of the Russian-German marriage in Russia

    But today the phenonemon reversed, at least outside of people with political careers.

    Millenials, and even more generation Z are the opposite and boast about their minority roots..

    And this despite the fact nationalities like Jews are still unpopular politically. (And on websites like this one, the most unpopular nationality of all).

    So you can see how uncool it was to be Jewish USSR, by comparing to the reverse behaviour today.

  396. @Dmitry

    It was surely among the more loser nationalities, socially.

    People who point out the Jewish role in the Soviet Union usually do so with reference to the 1920s and 1930s, and often acknowledge that things changed somewhat later, especially after the creation of Israel and the support for anti-Israel Arab regimes by the Soviet Union.
    But in the 1920s and 1930s…is it a sign of a “loser nationality” to be grotesquely overrepresented in the secret police?

    And this despite the fact Jews are still unpopular politically.

    There are tens of millions of gentiles who love Jews and strongly support Jewish nationalism (especially in the US, but the type also exists in Europe).

    (And on websites like this one, the most unpopular nationality of all).

    A fringe website with zero influence on wider debates.

  397. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    It’s some fake news though (it was discussed on this forum already), in relation to immigration law for Israel.

    You can see on the Israeli forums, some people even want to take DNA to prove they have Jewish heritage, and they are told it’s not accepted by Israeli immigration authorities.

    It’s not in English, but if for Russian-speakers, you can scroll through Russian language forums for Israeli immigration and they talk about it constantly.
    https://vk.com/topic-12938769_26623607?offset=15100

    What they can allow is paternity tests to prove to Israel’s government that your parents are who you claim, if you repatriate based on their documents, but they don’t believe you.

  398. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Not in every scenario though.

    Israel is multiracial and multireligious. At the same time, it is in internal demographic war between Jews and Muslims.

    Increasing immigration of non-Jewish nationalities which would be loyal to Israel, and at the same of not too low human capital, could improve the demographic balance to become more patriotic and less Muslim in some cases.

    There’s already small examples of loyal non-Jewish immigrants, like the Vietnamese Boat People which were given Israeli citizenship and are reportedly very patriotic, Circassians (who are actually Muslim and arrived in Palestine in the late 19th century), or Christian illegal and legal immigrants from countries like Colombia and Philippines, whose children are conscripted to the Israeli army and then receive Israeli citizenship.

    Obviously, I don’t think giving citizenship to Sudanese and Eritrean illegal immigrants would help Israel’s demographics, because they already just boosted the crime and rape rate there.

    But remember Jewish immigration can also be difficult for Israel. Haredi Jews are often burning Israel flags and could undermine the state, and are generally superstitious clowns. And I’ve read about Ethiopian Jews, that they cost Israel $100,000 of government spending to absorb each immigrant (they establish special schools in their language, free housing and have to teach them basic skills).

    • Replies: @Epigon
  399. Epigon says:
    @Dmitry

    They didn’t have “a greater capacity for studying”, they literally exterminated and expelled the previous professors and students during and after the Revolution.

    Why are you trying to spin the well known facts on the percentage of Jewish students in 1920s Moscow and Leningrad Universities?
    Do you need a reminder on the rerun of that same tribalism and nepotism in the United States today, where they are vastly overrepresented at Ivy League, but not so much at CalTech and MIT?

  400. Epigon says:
    @Dmitry

    Calling Israel multiracial, multicultural and/or multiconfessional – really? Are you for real, this oblivious? This isn’t autism, as others might have concluded.

    Israel not being 100% Jewish doesn’t make it a multiracial and multiconfessional country. Having ethnic specific laws and rights, state religion immediately disproves your claim.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  401. AaronB says:

    Jewish techno party.

  402. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Israel probably needs a more targeted and filtered immigration system.

    They have so many demographic nightmares, they don’t need to increase them.

    You can read how Israel’s “Law of Return” is accepting now Ukrainian – presumably because they have Jewish descent – nationalist trash.

    E,g,

    Обвинение: житель Петах-Тиквы жестоко избил женщину за то, что та ответила ему по-русски

    Началось все с того, что Андрей Довженко задал вопрос по-украински, а в ответ услышал русскую речь

    https://www.vesty.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5017036,00.html

    Reader comments below article:

    В Израиле уже давно мирно живут между собой выходцы из любых бывших союзных республик. И только новые репатрианты из Украины последней волны, вносят раздор. Приведу пример. В магазине Суперсаль была очередь в кассу. Покупательница никак не могла понять продавщицу на иврите. Некто из очереди взялся помочь с переводом и обратился к покупательнице по русски. Вместо благодарности он получил грубый ответ, что она не желает разговаривать по русски, а только на мове. Еще раз подчеркну, что это происходило в Израле, а не в Украине или России. Неужели кто то думает, что после таких случаев кто то захочет помогать этим личностям? Пока что от них только неприятный осадок.

    In other cases, at least it seems like illegal immigrants:

    В Петах-Тикве украинец убил молдаванина за слово “хохол”

    But then there the way dresses one of Israel’s (former) main news presenters (Bandera t-shirt is cool):

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  403. Mr. XYZ says:
    @DFH

    That’s certainly very possible. That said, though, why is Muslim fundamentalism largely absent from the US?

  404. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    I did previously see a chart that showed that US Muslims were, on average, much more educated than European Muslims were. Would you like to see this chart?

    As for Ilhan Omar, Yes, she does appear to be a relatively high-IQ Muslim (AFAIK, her family were from Somalia’s elite) and Yes, she does appear to have a lot of ethnic flair left in her. However, what exactly do you find objectionable about her besides her lack of assimilation? I mean, her comments about Jewish money might very well be true–and she does appear to be a typical progressive on social issues (which is good in some cases and bad in other cases, but that’s true for a lot of White American progressives as well–not just non-White immigrant progressives).

    • Replies: @German_reader
  405. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Dmitry

    Accepting Russians, Belarusians, and eastern/southern Ukrainians would be better than accepting western Ukrainians, no?

    For that matter, might as well throw some Chinese, Vietnamese, and Hindus in there.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  406. @Mr. XYZ

    I did previously see a chart that showed that US Muslims were, on average, much more educated than European Muslims were.

    Education by itself is a pretty meaningless metric. Lots of leading SS men had Phd degrees…would you have liked them as immigrants, in your neighbourhood maybe?
    iirc there are polls though which supposedly show Muslims in the US are comparatively liberal on stuff like homos and trannies…hard to evaluate though how genuine that is.
    I doubt though it’s true that there’s no “Islamic fundamentalism” in the US, arguments along those lines always seemed made up to me, just a way for US “conservatives” to bash Europeans for their alleged “racism” and to brag about American superiority.

    However, what exactly do you find objectionable about her besides her lack of assimilation?

    Her people cause nothing but problems in all the Western countries which have been foolish enough to take in Somalis, it’s the height of insolence that such people attain political office (which they of course will use for advancing their Islamic agenda).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  407. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    Yeah, I’ve seen a poll that a majority of US Muslims nowadays support same-sex marriage. I suspect that it’s probably accurate since even a bare majority of US Blacks support same-sex marriage nowadays. I don’t think that large numbers of US Muslims and US Blacks are lying about this.

    Also, it’s not that there’s no Islamic fundamentalism in the US, but that it appears to be rarer in the US than in Western Europe. Of course, that might simply be anecdotal evidence–so let’s see if someone can find more concrete data on this.

    As for education, you’re correct that one can be well-educated and still hold backwards views. For instance, a working-class American might be more tolerant of LGBT people than an educated Russian would be. Still, my hunch would be that, on average, higher IQ people are more progressive than lower IQ people are. Of course, this could sometimes result in negative consequences–such as the denial of the possibility of genetic group differences in regards to various human traits–such as intelligence, criminality, corruption, et cetera.

    As for Somalis, the trick is the only import the smartest members of their community. Then we’d probably have a lot of Ilhan Omars but not so much crime and terrorism.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  408. Mr. XYZ says:

    I’ve read that Minnesota has a problem with Somali gangs. Thus, it really does look like the US was a bit too welcoming to Somalis and that it should have been more selective in regards to which Somalis it accepted.

  409. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    For that matter, might as well throw some Chinese, Vietnamese, and Hindus in there.

    You mean as legal immigrants?

    There’s a lot of Indians in Israel. I’m not sure which are Hindu and which are Jewish.

    Some of them are probably illegal immigrants. There are videos people post of Indians crushing the Ukrainians and Russian illegal immigrants for refugee status (those are obviously Hindus/Muslims).

    But I saw some large Indian families, wearing Indian costumes, in the supermarket in Bat Yam (they might be Indian Jews, who appear the same race as Indian Hindus).

    Also I noticed how Tel Aviv is flooded with Chinese people, but they are guest workers there and investors.

    Vietnamese in Israel, are just from the Boat People. A boat of them was captured by an Israeli ship and given citizenship in 1979. So they are Israeli citizens.

    Israel does not have bureaucracy to manage their level of illegal immigrants

    Illegal immigrants from countries like Sudan, Somalia, and Eritrea, are allowed to live in Israel without restrictions.

    It’s from countries Israel has good diplomatic relations, that they deport the illegal immigrants.

    So Ukrainians, are all deported, and apply for refugee status. And Indians, probably the same.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Mr. XYZ
  410. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    The refugee status queue in Israel, also has some Central Asians. I also saw those last year. (Israel has good relations with Central Asia, so the illegal immigrants from there are probably deported).

    Nobody can queue

  411. @Mr. XYZ

    As for Somalis, the trick is the only import the smartest members of their community.

    There’s an even better trick…don’t let any of them immigrate at all.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  412. Dmitry says:
    @Epigon

    What’s the purpose of your stupid reply.

    Israel is pretty multiracial, multicultural and multiconfessional. I enjoy it in small quantities, but the overall effect on me of that level of multiculturalism in a small area, is stress as well.

    That’s my main problem with Israel. (I would prefer it if was more homogenous).

    Different villages, have different races and religions. You can drive from the Druze village, to the Circassian village, to the Maronite village, to Arab village, to the mainly Russian-speaking town, to French-speaking Moroccan area, to the Haredi town, to Ethiopian immigrant area, to even areas which are conquered by Sudanese women in Hijabs.

    Jews themselves have a hundred different races there, although primarily quite brown.

    Whole place is full of different kinds of immigrants, and even Christian Latinos, Indians, Filipinos and Chinese gastarbeiters.
    In terms of religion, all kinds of church , mosque and synagogue.

    Multiconfessional means, even secular hipsters in Tel Aviv cafes,can have (misfortune in my view) to sit under the noise of the Mosque.

  413. Gerard2 says:
    @AP

    “My people”…a false and insincere moron phrase in this context…not least with a fantasist fucktard as yourself, who for purposes of attention-whoring on the internet….metamorphasises as a Polish,Austrian anti-Banderite, Banderite, Dagestani-Canadia freakshow. Anyway the Banderite scumbags, probably the poorest non-African ethnic group in America , settled in quite, obscure places not employing many people after being smuggled out of execution , by the CIA..a bit like British paedophiles settled in Australia

    But yes – my father in his 70s says he’ll be fine but we or our children can always go to Ukraine if the Left sinks America

    …I think we all know there isn;t a chance in hell of that occuring ( you freaks going to Ukraine)..or donating a cent to it.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  414. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    So, you wouldn’t even want Somalis like Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

  415. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Dmitry

    You mean as legal immigrants?

    Yes, of course. Smart Hindus immigrating to Israel en masse could help strengthen it.

  416. @Mr. XYZ

    So, you wouldn’t even want Somalis like Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

    No, why would I want to? She’s merely talking about problems that wouldn’t exist if people of her background weren’t in Western countries. It’s not like she’s made any genuinely useful contribution like finding new antibiotics, bringing us closer to cold fusion or whatever.
    The only other “good” Somali I can think of is Mo Farrah, but he’s merely getting a lot of money for being able to run fast, which is also isn’t anything that is really worthy of respect imo.
    Somalis just come across as one of the most horrible and useless peoples on earth, I can’t think of a single good reason why one would want them as immigrants.

    You seem to be in thrall to some strange immigrationist ideology…which seems to be mainly motivated by the fact that you’re an immigrant yourself. Which isn’t a very convincing reason to the nationalist commenters here like me.

    • Agree: songbird, Adam
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  417. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    Technically speaking, by your criteria, the overwhelming majority of immigrants are going to be useless. 99% of immigrants probably aren’t going to be able to do the things that you want.

    Also, No, my own position in regards to immigration isn’t as liberal as you think it is. I don’t think that the fact that I am an immigrant myself is a sufficient reason to bring additional immigrants to this country. I do think that immigrants and their descendants shouldn’t drag down a country’s average IQ or to bring radical ideas into their host countries. I do want immigrants who are not going to harm this country to have the chance to come to this country for a good life, though. Of course, California is already probably overcrowded enough as it is–but US states such as Texas still have a lot of available space.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  418. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Eh … she’s relatively attractive for a Semitic Black woman.

  419. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    What exactly made the Republicans so attractive to your people? Before Trump, they appear to have in large part been pro-immigration just like the Democrats are.

    • Replies: @AP
  420. @Mr. XYZ

    I do want immigrants who are not going to harm this country to have the chance to come to this country for a good life, though.

    What makes you think they deserve a good life and why should that be of any relevance for their immigration to the US?
    If immigration is allowed at all, it should be solely for reasons of increasing national power, e.g. for attracting useful specialists like Wernher von Braun and other German rocket scientists (odd how that immigration isn’t celebrated anymore as a success story in the US, offends me somewhat).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  421. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    Well, why don’t you think people deserve a good life? I mean, even if people are going to be stuck in the Third World, one can argue that better-off countries have a duty to help out these unfortunates. It’s similar to how some well-off Americans and Europeans believe in helping out those countrymen of theirs who are less fortunate–except on a global scale.

    Also, if immigration isn’t going to reduce a country’s average IQ or bring undesirable ideologies into a country, then a country’s national power is going to be increased by immigration due to the fact that it is going to have more people–and of a comparable quality–than it would have had without immigration. This is why the US appears to have strongly benefited from immigration–at least until 1880 or so. I’m not sure if large-scale Italian immigration was good for the US, but large-scale Anglo-Saxon immigration was definitely good for the US. Large-scale Jewish immigration was also good for the US in the sense that it resulted in more technological progress in the US as well as in more social liberalism–which is a good thing in the sense that it advocates helping the common man–albeit with the undesirable effect of trying to censor all discussions about the genetics of IQ and especially genetic group differences in regards to important traits such as intelligence, criminality, corruption, et cetera.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Beckow
    , @Daniel.I
  422. @Epigon

    Yes, a lot of negative publicity by the liberal press. They talk about the privileges given to “Putin’s bank.” I brought it up here, Karlin made a post about it.

  423. @Mr. XYZ

    Brushing aside issues like increased political corruption (the infamous “Three Is”, Ireland, Italy and Israel which controlled NY City and other Democratic immigrant party machines, etc.) and diaspora hijacking of foreign policy.

    People are not interchangeable based on IQ and culture is very important. The movement of a certain race-nationality into or out of a particular geographical area will accordingly alter the characteristics of the area.

    To give an example of what is usually seen as a positive case, the German-Scandinavian mass-settlement of Midwestern states led to the creation of social democratic-influenced provinces, which still endure to an extent even a century after German culture in the USA was, for better or worse rapidly and harshly, eradicated.

    Karlin posted a while ago about the higher GDP per capita of Scandinavians in America compared to Scandinavian countries from some American libertarian think tank to extoll the perceived superiority of American economic liberalism.

    Accepting for the sake of the argument the premise that Americans who used to be Scandinavian live better due to the American economic regime and that material wealth should be prioritsed (I would object that, among other factors, increased geographic mobility and short employment terms contribute to American deracination), if Scandinavians comprised a larger part of the American population then the USA would look more like Scandinavia from an institutional perspective.

    But if that were the case then America would be a different country (and Scandinavians wouldn’t be richer, implicitly defeating Karlin’s point).

    I, personally, would see this as a positive but given that libertarianism in all parts of life, and Manchester Liberalism in general, seem like a very important ethno-ideological component of American identity it would be quite fair for Americans to object to such an meta-ethnic alteration of their culture.

    My argument is a bit specific here but in reality this would apply to all facets of general daily life as well as culture, politics, national self-conception, foreign policy, etc. Really, almost everything is affected.

    Now, you might retort that this would be solved with interethnic breeding and indoctrination through mass culture and education, however I see this as an unlikely prospect.

    In the past, the USA was far more self-confident, had a functional core around which to assimilate and was willing to engage in harsher measures. And even with that, despite attempting to absorb nationalities who were far closer from a cultural perspective, amalgamated America still ended up with a Euromutt identity.

    The America that exists today is one where ethnic strife is increasingly ingrained into the foundation of life. Intermarriage will mainly lead to the white core growing smaller as their children will assimilate to non-titular nationalities in places where non-whites maintain local and regional numerical and cultural dominance and due to the state and social promotion of non-titular nationalities even in places where the titular nationality has a majority.

    Particularly important, I believe, will be the psychological shift that occurs when the titular nationality drops to mid-40s%.

  424. AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Anti-communism abroad and anti-socialism at home.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Mr. XYZ
  425. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Speaking as someone who speaks a foreign tongue fluently, I can confirm that it is a great secret code for disparaging others in public spaces.

    You’re beginning to sound like one of those liberal politically correct cucktards. What’s wrong with speaking critically of others in private or in public, as long as it’s not overly mean spirited (especially in secret)? Remember the young kid who recently ‘smirked’ at the American Indian in public? Folks criticize each other here at this blog 24/7. Is it Swedish that you’re fluent in?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  426. @Dmitry

    On average as total population, secularized Ashkenazi Jews probably had a higher capacity for studying

    That’s one way of looking at it I guess. Here is another (referring to the situation in the mid-1920s):

    Some members of the prerevolutionary elite, in particular, resented the “antibourgeois” quotas in educational institutions and the subsequent rise of the Jewish immigrants as both prominent new Kulturträger and leading “proletarian” iconoclasts. The art historian A. Anisimov wrote to a colleague in Prague (in November 1923), “Out of 100 applicants to Moscow University, 78 are Jews; thus, if the Russian university is now in Prague, the Jewish one is in Moscow.” The father of a student about to be “purged” for alien origins wrote to a friend or relative in Serbia: “Pavel and his friends are awaiting their fate. But it’s clear that only the Jerusalem academics and the Communists, Party members generally, are going to stay.” And according to the wife of a Leningrad University professor, “in all the institutions, only workers and Israelites are admitted; the life of the intelligentsia is very hard.”

    Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century, pp. 243-244.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  427. @Mr. Hack

    Yes, I am fluent in Swedish.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  428. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    So, for the ‘good of mankind’ would you urge your fellow Swedish speakers in Sweden to divest themselves of the Swedish language and adopt German instead, to help form a ‘Greater German World’ within Europe’?

    • Replies: @Denis
  429. Dmitry says:
    @for-the-record

    In the USSR academic, Ashkenazi Jews seemed more overrepresented in narrow areas like theoretical physics and maths. This led to “antisemitic” scandals, because there too many Jewish mathematicians and physicists entering the top. So they allegedly used some kind of systems and pressure to limit the number of Jewish mathematicians.

    I’m not expert in physics. But you can see in USSR physics, for example, the most famous “course on theoretical physics”, has author names like “Landau and Lifshits”.

    In the USSR, Ashkenazi Jews were a population who seemed to produce more nerdy teenagers than normal people (who were, according to themselves, often bullied at school).

    I was watching a television documentary about Perelman. And apparently in his teenage years, he was angry that some other Jewish nerd was the better school mathematician in his city. So as a result, he studied more and became successful. This is reflection of a more nerdy culture of the era.

    Also in the USSR, Jews were overrepresented as classical music professionals, and perhaps to some extent even in unrelated areas like ballet,.

    This is not indicative of intelligence ( i.e. classical music performers are not known for their intelligence). It is indicative more of proportionally higher attention span or capacity for studying as teenagers. And outside of the highest achievement, it also resulted in more Jewish engineers, doctors, etc.

    But I’m not sure if there was so much Jewish overrepresentation in academic areas like archaeologists, anthropologists etc. Jewish nerdy children were clearly most successful, in more formal disciplines, which rewarded long hours of nerdy study as teenagers.

    Today, this is clearly all a receding past. There is no sense universities in Russia are flooded today with too many Jewish nerds.

    In Ukraine, there might still exist some traces of the descendants of Jewish nerds in the computer science graduates. I was looking at social media of a friend I know from Odessa last week, and it looked like half of his computer scientist friends in Kiev, had a photo from free Jewish heritage vacations to Israel on their social media. Actually I had some impression that there is a “Jewish mafia” for computer scientists there (but this is just a very superficial impression from time wasting instagram).

  430. Beckow says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    …even if people are going to be stuck in the Third World, one can argue that better-off countries have a duty to help out these unfortunates.

    Why? Is it a religious duty? Who exactly is it good for? Unless, pretty much all Third Worlders are allowed to ‘better‘ themselves by departing for richer shores – and that’s unlikely – all you are doing is adding a burden for the advanced world, and facilitating money (and some brain) migration away from the poorest parts of the world. If the departing Third Worlders have no stake in their own societies, and all they do is plot how to leave, that makes their Third World even worse.

    • Replies: @DFH
  431. DFH says:
    @Beckow

    Because of his strange Jewish neuroses

  432. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    “Anti-socialism” is very good and admirable. But I can’t see how you would ever emigrate from America to Ukraine, on that basis. It would always be the opposite.

    America is still the centre of capitalism and has a lot of legal protections for private property. And for private citizens, USA is even better than Western Europe in areas like inheritance tax law.* (Although, for businesses, the corporation tax in America is still higher than many EU states).

    But what can you say about Ukraine?

    Even if we judge it by “pro-capitalist” economic reforms and projects, which politicians are promoting to international investors there, like the privatization of Odessa Port Plant.

    It was supposed to be the first major privatization in Ukraine since the coup. And yet years later, the result is no international investors wanted to buy it because of lack of accounting transparency and sense there would be enough private property protection.


    *Western European countries like France and UK steal much of the money of people after they die. USA has something similar, but it only begins at around $11 million, so at least most ordinary Americans avoid this kind of open property-theft socialism.

    • Replies: @AP
  433. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    The interesting fact, though, is that I’m not sure that the Democrats were particularly less anti-Communist than the Republicans were during the Cold War. JFK ran as a hawk in 1960 and it was Nixon who reached out to China and who implemented detente with the Soviet Union.

    Also, what exactly did Ukrainians in the US have against the social safety net?

    BTW, did Ukrainians in the US continue voting Republican even after the end of the Cold War?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mr. Hack
  434. Denis says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The Swedish are doing a good job of replacing their culture, but it sure as heck isn’t being replaced with German.

    • Replies: @AP
  435. @Epigon

    I’m reminded of Sailer’s(I believe?) construction of Trump as the First Black President.

  436. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    “Anti-socialism” is very good and admirable. But I can’t see how you would ever emigrate from America to Ukraine, on that basis. It would always be the opposit

    The thinking is, if America were to go full wildly left and anti European, than Ukraine could be a refuge. Although for me it would be Russia – my wife has a flat in central Moscow, I would easily get a poorly paid job at a hospital.

    At any rate, it’s theoretical, America will certainly not collapse during my working years in the coming decades. But my kids time, doubtful but who knows?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  437. AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    The interesting fact, though, is that I’m not sure that the Democrats were particularly less anti-Communist than the Republicans were during the Cold War

    They were from the time of Carter onward. Before that, not particularly.

    Also, what exactly did Ukrainians in the US have against the social safety net?

    It smelled of socialism.

    BTW, did Ukrainians in the US continue voting Republican even after the end of the Cold War?

    For the most part, yes. Ukrainians are the “Cubans” of Eastern European-Americans.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  438. AP says:
    @Denis

    Sweden’s Minister of Culture 2014-2019:

    • Replies: @Denis
  439. AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Speaking as someone who speaks a foreign tongue fluently, I can confirm that it is a great secret code for disparaging others in public spaces.

    Indeed. Or not even for disparaging others. I’ve taken for granted that all public conversations are still private within my non-English-speaking family.

  440. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Even throughout the cold war period, during the 60’s & 70’s, it was a mixed bag. A lot of Ukrainians held skilled factory jobs and were union workers. Some held union positions and heavily encouraged others to vote Democratic. My father, worked in such a machine shop as an A operator machinist. Although he paid his union dues and attended union meetings, he always voted Republican, a true blue ‘Cuban of Eastern Europe’ as AP has pointed out. In Chicago, to this day, most Ukrainians still vote Democratic. Nothing gets done in Chicago without union approval. It’s a matter of making sure that your own bread gets buttered. But Chicagoans are an exception! 🙂

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  441. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    It’s true Ukraine could be quite economically developed by about 2040 or 2050, if it can stabilize now.

    Assume they might join the EU around 2030. And then assimilate to a lot of German style laws and regulations.

    If it reaches something like Czech Republic level in the 2040s, it would not be so crazy to want to move there, or at least parts like Odessa.

    • Replies: @Gerard2
  442. Gerard2 says:
    @Dmitry

    To do this , not only would there have to be full trade links restored with Russia…but the likes of Bulgaria, Poland, Romania would have to become ultra–wealthy, high-tech , prosperous countries….with Ukraine providing the role to them in goods and services……, that they now provide to the main/wealthiest countries like UK,France, Germany, Holland , Italy, Scandinavian etcet,
    I simply can’t see this happening.

    Gruzia is way ahead of Ukraine in organisation & technocrats. Turkey and Azerbaijan are relatively wealthy countries for Gruzia to have good trade relations with…but without full economic & political relations with Russia it’s infrastructure and it’s GDP are pitiful ( and that is despite excellent levels of FDI in a small country)
    That is why even as far as 2030-2040 in the future…I can’t see any way out of the nightmare that Ukropia is in now….and if Gruzia is nowhere near joining the EU now… I can’t see when they can join.

    Except if you’re Israel ,good relations with powerful; &/or wealthy neighbors are essential in order to be succesful….and that is before we even get into the unrelenting freakshow and mess of Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  443. Denis says:
    @AP

    One of the most beautiful nations in Europe, and it’s being made completely unrecognizable in the name of diversity and tolerance. What a joke.

    • Replies: @melanf
  444. Gerard2 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    a true blue ‘Cuban of Eastern Europe’ as AP has pointed out.

    No such thing you dimwit. What happened was this fantasist maggot AP making up some braindead fantasist BS about “My people ( WTF?) blabla always voted Republican” ,even though since the time Banderatards came over to the US from after the war, there was nothing defining Democrats or Republicans as more anti-communist than the other, the Republicans weren’t particularly more socially-conservative/religious than the Democrats ( which this retard is probably trying to imply is convergant with Banderatard pseudo-beliefs)..and geographical blue/red areas were totally different to now ….other commentators unwittingly called this POS out for it…and the retard responded with more BS on top of the original lie to try and consolidate his cretinous claim.

    Over the last century you have had in America powerful White Russian lobby( probably what you morons try and misappropriate as a “Ukrainian” lobby), Italian lobby, Hungarian lobby from end/beginning or 19-20th century, Hungarian lobby from after 1956, Irish lobby (of course), jewish lobby, jewish lobby(anti-Russian) from pogroms, jewish lobby(anti-Russian ) from 1970’s 80’s USSR policy, Cuban lobby, pre-1941 German lobby, polish lobbies ( of various time periods) and many other ones.

    …………….what you sure as fuck don’t have and have NEVER, EVER had is a “Ukrainian ” lobby you twat.
    This is of course natural because no politician can campaign for support/donations in domestic and foreign policies to a group of obscure, outcast, failure people whose “claim to fame” is being smuggled out by the CIA from Germany in secret, being the worst white ethnic group in terms of achievement and money in the country…and general obscure shitheads.

    For those other ethnic groups I mentioned in the list….it’s quite obviously easy to try and openly campaign for their votes- like critising Castro for Cuban-immigrant vote . This is quite obviously not for “Ukrainians”….it’s why to this day Kiev is viewed correctly as a Russian city , in America nobody can locate where one of the biggest countries in Europe is on a map over there in Pindostan, and why nearly every Hollywood film about a Russia gives him a “Ukrainian” name. Also it’s why from the 1990’s, there hasn’t been a single big Banderatard come into existence in the US from the post-soviet collapse and emigration of highly qualified people

    Do you even know who Jaresko and the Dr Death CIA Hippy Nazi bitch “Health” Minister of ukropia, Suprun voted for in the US ( two of the most high profile US-Nazi Banderatards who came back to f**K up Ukropia even more)? Of course not you idiot……..though if there was an ACTUAL lobby in America, and you idiots were ACTUAL supporters of this fake state then you would know who this type of high profile Badneratard are and were on the Democrat/GOP line they stand

    Utter nonsense

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  445. Mr. Hack says:

    Former U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower unveiling the statue of Taras Shecxhnko in Wasshington DC

  446. melanf says:
    @Denis

    One of the most beautiful nations in Europe

    Well of course the Sweden’s Minister of Culture has a non-Swedish appearance, but it looks (judging by the photo) more attractive than the average Swedish woman of that age.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @reiner Tor
    , @DFH
    , @Denis
  447. Mr. Hack says:
    @melanf

    I don’t know about that, but she’s certainly not unattractive and looks rather athletic – I think that we need Thorfinnsson to help straighten this one out?

    • Replies: @melanf
  448. melanf says:
    @Mr. Hack

    looks rather athletic

    Athletic woman is better than fat

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  449. @melanf

    the average Swedish woman of that age.

    Which age? I don’t know how Swedish women of each specific age group look like anyway, I’m just curious.

    • Replies: @melanf
  450. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Gerard2

    Over the last century you have had in America powerful White Russian lobby( probably what you morons try and misappropriate as a “Ukrainian” lobby),

    Sorry to say that White Russian lobby doesn’t have much if any influence. A sampling:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050205051751/http://russian-americans.org/CRA_Art_Captive.htm

  451. Daniel.I says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Large-scale Jewish immigration was also good for the US

    One curious pattern of history is that as soon as the kikes reach critical mass, they set in motion a chain of events that leads to themselves stuck in ovens.

    You’d have to be blind not to realize that we’re literally dealing with the synagogue of Satan here.

  452. melanf says:
    @reiner Tor

    I don’t know how Swedish women of each specific age group look like anyway, I’m just curious.

    Roughly such as I think (perhaps inhabitants Sweden correct me ).
    In General, beauty is only a small percentage of women in any country in the world, even among young girls (for Sweden this is also true – having visited Sweden, it is easy to make sure that the average Swedish girl is very different from the average Swedish actress/model ). And women after 40 on average are less attractive than in 17 years.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  453. Algeria seems to have its own version of the Arab Spring right now. I wonder that’ll affect the flood of immigrants to Europe. Or Algerian imports of Russian weapons. Anything else interesting about it?

    Plus, it’ll apparently lead to some kind of Egyptian solution, with the army being the new kingpin, same as the old kingpin before the now old president (in the case of Egypt formerly himself a general; in Algeria succeeded a long-serving president who had been a general) got too much entrenched.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Daniel Chieh
  454. DFH says:
    @melanf

    She’s ugly

    https://imengine.hall.infomaker.io/imengine/image.php?uuid=2c8ab07d-5f58-4f8b-9846-8f86afab8ab2&type=preview&source=false&function=hardcrop&width=1200&height=800&q=80

    I wish that strange Jew who used to give his opinions on whether he would bang women or not was still around, he would sort this all out.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  455. @DFH

    She doesn’t look bad for being in her 40s, though that photo is not very flattering. Appears she has drawn on eyebrows which is always a turn off.

    You’re thinking of Greasy William.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  456. DFH says:

    ‘We were just *checks notes* burning racism, kaffir’

  457. DFH says:
    @reiner Tor

    They really haven’t been very violent so far and it doesn’t seem like the sort of issue that these people are going to die over. They look to me like the sort of people at the Gezi Park protests, not like they’re going to start a civil war.

  458. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    I think that she’s behind you on that ‘Greater Germany’ thingee…(a sleeper agent from Deep State) 🙂

  459. @LatW

    But politically Baltic states are among the oldest guberniyas of Russian Empire and if not for terror campaigns in 1905 – 1907 and in 1917 – 1920 resulting in the creation of Baltic States, these territories would saw a massive influx of Russians much earlier. One could say that Baltic people paid for their independence in blood, but this argument goes both ways.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  460. @LatW

    This “alien” status nonsense and restriction of political rights of Russians surely won’t go unanswered. “Russians always come for their money” (c) Bismark.

    The most obvious and rather mild solution is to have Latvians experience exactly same apartheid for the same number of years (currently 28 years).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @LatW
  461. @reiner Tor

    The only part I have have to contribute is that I personally found a lot of Algerians to be rather European in appearance, due to French ancestry. A girl I knew there had pale skin and green eyes.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Denis
    , @songbird
  462. @Daniel Chieh

    due to French ancestry

    Or due to Berber ancestry. Berbers are the original inhabitants of the Maghreb, and they are genetically closer to Europeans than any other population with pre-1492 roots outside of Europe.

    • Replies: @melanf
  463. @Konstantin

    Baltic states are among the oldest guberniyas of Russian Empire

    They hadn’t been under Russian rule before the Great Northern War, which is to say, roughly three centuries ago.

  464. @Konstantin

    Arguing for a settler population which could easily get citizenship if only it learned the language surely won’t generate much sympathy for Russians.

    The only argument that could be had here is that Russians have it worse than nonwhite immigrant populations in Western Europe. But at least in these corners we don’t have much sympathy for those immigrants either.

  465. LatW says:
    @Konstantin

    UA, BY + 3B = big bite.

    Kishka nepotyanet.

  466. Denis says:
    @melanf

    I wasn’t talking about the culture minister’s looks, and I’m sure their are plenty of immigrant women in Sweden who are attractive. I was thinking more about the fact that Sweden isn’t really Swedish anymore.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  467. Denis says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Maghrebis in general are a rather attractive people.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @DFH
  468. @Denis

    The former minister aside (who is half-Swedish as her coal burning mother is Swedish), the good news about Sweden’s vibrants is that they are exceptionally poorly integrated. Thus they have much less prominence than vibrants do in most other European countries.

    • Replies: @DFH
  469. melanf says:
    @reiner Tor

    Or due to Berber ancestry. Berbers are the original inhabitants of the Maghreb, and they are genetically closer to Europeans than any other population with pre-1492 roots outside of Europe.

    As far as I know the Berbers is an example of the independent occurrence of light hair and eyes as a result of mutation spread in the population . Such mutation in history happened
    many times – for example, some tribes of Siberia have blond hair and light eyes

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Philip Owen
  470. DFH says:
    @Denis

    Not really, they often have the strange lopsided, off, look that Orthodox Jews do, probably something to do with cousin marriage.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Denis
  471. Mr. Hack says:
    @DFH

    ‘Lopsided look’? The young girl, at least in the bottom photo. has a very pretty symmetrical face structure. Her eyes have that slight exotic Asian look, but are quite large, the hazel type color matches her hair color to a tee.

    • Replies: @Denis
    , @DFH
  472. Denis says:
    @DFH

    Lol, what are you talking about? Maghrebis and Orthodox Jews look nothing alike, unless the Jews in question happen to be Sephardim who joined the Orthodox. Most Orthodox are Ashkenazim.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @DFH
  473. Denis says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I’m pretty sure those are Siberians, not Maghrebis.

  474. AP says:
    @melanf

    That’s not because of an independent mutation; Indo-Europeans had once lived in central Asia and these genes have spread around.

    • Replies: @melanf
  475. AP says:
    @Denis

    Here is a Berber, probably what DFH was talking about:

    • Replies: @Denis
  476. Denis says:
    @AP

    Well, I’ve spent some time in the Maghreb, and I met plenty beautiful women over there. They didn’t look like any Orthodox Jews I’ve ever seen.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  477. Jared Taylor claims he’s banned from the EU…because of Poland:
    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2019/03/letter-from-zurich-airport/

    If true, I wonder what’s behind this…merely Polish distrust of white nationalist activists, because they’re seen as successors of the Nazis who did so much harm to Poland? Or was there pressure from the US for this?
    In any case, it makes me wonder what use all these “right-wing” governments actually are when they’re just running the usual “antifascist” script (same with the Austrian government which considers banning the identitarians).

  478. AP says:

    OT sort of but I’m getting a stream of anti-Zelensky facebook, and a few pro-Poroshenko, posts by various people in Ukraine. While I am not predicting a Poroshenko win (certainly not in the first round) I would certainly not be surprised if he wins the second round. I’d give him 40% at least.

    I never got any pro-Yuschenko stuff on my feed.

    Zelensky is popular among easterners because he is viewed as not as bad as Poroshenko (he donated a million dollars to the Ukrainian military, but he’s from Dnipropetrovsk and speaks better Russian than Ukrainian). If it was a pure east vs. west thing he wouldn’t stand a chance, but he also picks up some younger voters wanting radical change, from the west and center, which may be enough to put him over the top.

    If voters chose him in the first round as a protest against corruption, but then decide he might be too inexperienced to lead the country he will probably lose. Poroshenko can also release a stream of dirt against him (apparently some former Yanukovich people occupy roles on his team – but so do reformist Maidanists) which will hurt him if it sticks.

    Here is an article by Bershidsky comparing Zelensky to the Slovak candidate Caputova:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-29/slovakia-and-ukraine-election-populists-aren-t-like-the-others

  479. @German_reader

    Jared Taylor Are the Real Racists!

    • Replies: @German_reader
  480. @reiner Tor

    When used as a values-neutral term, Jared Taylor probably can be considered a racist with good reason, since he explicitly regards race as the central component of identity.
    And maybe many Poles genuinely do find such explicit race talk repellent, since Poles were victims themselves of applied racial theories during the German occupation. I guess it also conflicts with their self-image as noble Catholic conservatives or whatever.
    Still, if they had merely wanted to keep him away from Poland, there must have been other ways than having him banned from the entire EU. So I suspect there’s something else at work here.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  481. The European Parliament has spoken:

    End racist discrimination against Afro-European people in the EU

    MEPs call on the EU and its member states to take measures to tackle the structural racism people of African descent face in Europe.

    In a resolution adopted on Tuesday with 535 in favour to 80 votes against, and 44 abstentions, Parliament urges EU and national authorities to develop anti-racism policies and stop discrimination; in the fields of education, housing, health, criminal justice, political participation and migration.

    In light of increasing afrophobic attacks, MEPs call on the European Commission and EU member states to acknowledge the racist, discriminatory and xenophobic suffering of Afro-Europeans, and offer proper protection against these inequalities to ensure that hate crimes are suitably investigated, prosecuted and sanctioned. Additionally, people of African descent should be taken into account more in current funding programmes and in the next multiannual financial framework (2021-2027). . .

    Crimes against humanity during colonialism

    The resolution encourages EU institutions and member states to address and rectify past injustices and crimes against humanity, perpetrated in the name of European colonialism. These historic crimes still have present day negative consequences for people of African descent, MEPs claim.

    MEPs suggest carrying out reparations, such as apologising publicly and return stolen artefacts to their countries of origin. Parliament also calls on EU countries to declassify their colonial archives, as well as to present a comprehensive perspective on colonialism and slavery in the educational curricula.

    Background

    Approximately 15 million people of African descent currently live in Europe. They face persistent discrimination and are subject to deeply rooted negative stereotyping.

    Evidence suggests that Afro-European children receive lower grades at school than their white counterparts, and their rate of early school leaving is markedly higher.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/da/press-room/20190321IPR32133/end-racist-discrimination-against-afro-european-people-in-the-eu

  482. And some heartwarming news from France:

    Greek tragedy prompts ‘blackface’ racism row at Sorbonne

    A row over alleged racism and attacks on freedom of expression has erupted in France after students forced the Sorbonne to cancel a performance of a Greek tragedy featuring actors using black masks, claiming it was “Afrophobic, colonialist and racist”.

    Protesters picketed the prestigious Paris university, stopping actors from entering the theatre and accusing them of using blackface for the play The Suppliants by Aeschylus.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/28/sorbonne-at-centre-of-racism-row-after-alleged-blackface-in-theatre-show

    The protesting Classical scholars:

  483. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Interesting fact: the Algerian separatists selected the most European-looking women to plant the bombs that often targeted French women and children.

    I think there’s been a lot of geneflow between Europe and North Africa before the French invaded North Africa, probably since at least neolithic times, or even before. Of course, there was a great traffic in female slaves from Europe. They often were bought to become wives, and so had many children. In old novels, the Tuareg were often said to be light-eyed. Probably not typical, but at least a sometimes thing. There are also black Berbers, from African slaves – they are considered lower caste.

  484. DFH says:
    @Denis

    I didn’t say they looked the same overall, I said they had a sort of facial asymmetry and frequent off-look which in that respect was similar to Orthodox Jews.

  485. DFH says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I went out with a cute Moroccan girl too once; it doesn’t mean they’re all like that.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  486. DFH says:
    @German_reader

    Polish distrust of white nationalist activists, because they’re seen as successors of the Nazis who did so much harm to Poland

    Does Poland crack down very much on its internal nationalist groups like National Revival though?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @szopen
  487. DFH says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    They make up for it by the fact their current culture minister pretends to be black

  488. The Berber family of Yacine Kateb in the 1940s. Yacine is the little boy. They look so normal.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  489. Dmitry says:
    @Denis

    Around 50% of Orthodox Jews, are from African and Middle Eastern countries like Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, Tunisia, Libya, Iraq.

    You can see brown skin of Haredi in the right


    Brown ones often perfectly integrated with the lighter ones in the same politics and cults

    And then National Religious (which a more normal and successful kind of Orthodox Jews) also seem about 50% 50% with the brown and lighter populations in their school.

    The religion clearly domesticates and tames behaviour of the brown ones though (it probably removes their violent behaviours), even as they have some politically radical protests.

  490. Dmitry says:
    @DFH

    You date African women, with your politics? – unless I confused you with someone else here.

  491. Dmitry says:
    @melanf

    I haven’t been to Sweden.

    But it’s surprising your post – I would have guessed Swedish women would age more attractively than most countries, considering overall conditions of Sweden: a country with low obesity, healthy diet, low sun exposure, high income and low pollution.

    And women after 40 on average are less attractive than in 17 years.

    Or often, sadly, only after 30.

    • Replies: @melanf
  492. @DFH

    I have no idea about right-wing Polish movements tbh. I’d just suppose it might complicate matters when one of the most important national myths is resistance against the National Socialists (who were extreme racialists after all).
    But in any case events in the last few months have been rather disheartening.

  493. Dmitry says:
    @Hyperborean

    What are you trying to show? Something about their clothes?

    I notice more the introduction of those nice Americans cars.

    Aside from the oil wealth it would bring them abroad – the introduction of automobiles to Middle Eastern cities, was even more tragic than for the rest of us.

    What happened when automobiles introduced to Middle Eastern cities:

    • Replies: @songbird
  494. Dmitry says:
    @Gerard2

    Lol are you sure? It may be even more chaotic than Ukraine.

    I know people talk about how they like Tbilisi, because it’s completely disorganized and you see many crazy and comic events every day living there.

    But despite being an idiocracy, Georgia has still been developing for the last few years.

    Combining their falling population and 5% GDP growth, it is not impossible Georgia could almost reach “developed economy” status in the 2030s or 2040s.

  495. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    Oil really profoundly changed the Middle East.

    Trillions of dollars in the ground. Artificial nitrogen fixation, rail, and trucks made food much cheaper. (A lot of this destabilization was because of the price of food – incredibly cheap, by past standards) Previously, a third of agricultural land in the US was devoted to feeding horses. Oil-powered shipping is much more efficient than coal. Then there’s the whole idea of being an air hub, not to mention air conditioning.

    Almost 90% of the drinking water in Saudi Arabia comes from fossil fuels. About 50% from desalination. About 40% from pumping deep groundwater, and a large amount is transported in tankers.

    Though it has caused trouble too, I wouldn’t like to be the last Arab in the Middle East when the oil runs out. I can almost understand why they are so gung ho about invading the West.

  496. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Maybe they just lump Taylor in with the rest of the “alt-right” riff-raff on whom they have some kind of blanket exclusion policy? I might do that if I were in their shoes; it’s difficult enough for these governments to deflect the “RACIST!” slurs against their immigration policies without some fringy American “white nationalist” going around stirring up trouble (I’d be interested to know what kinds of organizations he was associating with on his last visit to Poland).

    It does speak to the paranoia around these matters. Taylor is a cipher even in his own country; is his fairly squishy brand of ethno-nationalism really a threat to the neoliberal consensus? Maybe the elites think the “consensus” on this issue is more brittle than people like me assume it is.

  497. melanf says:
    @AP

    That’s not because of an independent mutation; Indo-Europeans had once lived in central Asia and these genes have spread around.

    Anthropologists who studied these Siberian tribes believe that this is the result of an independent mutation (in small and isolated hunting tribes such mutations, once happened, easily “fixed”).

    Probably genetics will soon provide an accurate answer to the question of the origin of the Siberian (also Caucasian, Berber, Himalayan and other non-European) “blondes”.
    But blondes among Australian aborigines and Melanesians was the result of independent mutation, it is 100% proven. For this isolated population of blond people in Africa, Siberia, etc. is also likely to have independent origins.

    • Replies: @AP
  498. @German_reader

    I guess the joke about the guy advising the other that he cannot outrun the bear (“But I only have to outrun you!”) applies here: Polish (or Hungarian) nationalists are thinking that they don’t have to be globohomos, just less nationalist than Jared Tayler (or in Hungary’s case Richard Spencer). It’s pretty demented, because of course there will be a next round.

  499. melanf says:
    @Dmitry

    But it’s surprising your post – I would have guessed Swedish women would age more attractively than most countries

    Attractiveness thing subjective – for a lover of tall blondes Scandinavia (and the North-Western part of Russia) is just a Paradise. For a lover of petite brunettes is better to go to Spain.

    But I did not compare countries, my point was different: in any, absolutely any country in the world, beauties make up a relatively small percentage of girls. Those who (as a result of viewing photos on the Internet) think that all Swedish girls look like Ingrid Bergman/Anita Ekberg will be bitterly disappointed if they come to Sweden.

    This also applies to Russia/ Poland/ Japan/China any country in the world

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  500. utu says:
    @German_reader

    In any case, it makes me wonder what use all these “right-wing” governments actually are

    Their only use is for Israel and US strategy to split or weaken the EU. They don’t give a damn about Polish or Hungarian national aspirations.

    • Replies: @utu
  501. utu says:
    @utu

    Israel urges Poland to deny entry to British Holocaust denier David Irving (20 March 2019)
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-urges-poland-to-deny-entry-to-british-holocaust-denier-david-irving/

    Poland says Holocaust denier David Irving ‘not welcome’ on death camp tour (24 March 2019)
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/poland-says-holocaust-denier-david-irving-not-welcome-on-death-camp-tour/

    • Replies: @German_reader
  502. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I think it is something bigger. Probably coordination, with New Zealand as the excuse. Martin Sellner supposedly can’t enter the US, which is really shocking to me, even moreso than Poland banning someone. I guess it’s inevitable that the US Constitution will become totally meaningless – it’s been a joke for years.

    Then, of course, there is facebook at about the same time banning white nationalism and separatism.

    What this really evokes to me is the crackdown on people advocating peace during WWI. What is funny is how many intellectuals (many Jewish) seem to blame that crackdown, like the war itself on nationalism. Rather to me, it seems like a case of the elites deciding on a crazy course and then fighting any attempt to correct the course.

    The Western establishment is basically at war with Europeans. It is a political war, but with many of the consequences of real war. Surely, there were less Germans in Paris than there are blacks and North Africans there now. Europeans are paying an indeminity/tribute much larger than any in the past.

    • Agree: German_reader
  503. AP says:
    @melanf

    Anthropologists who studied these Siberian tribes believe that this is the result of an independent mutation

    Maybe. Independent mutation certainly explains blondes in Melanesia. But in Siberia, this is also a likely explanation:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/11/no-romans-needed-to-explain-chinese-blondes/#.XJ9uCndFyUk

    Apparently the blond mutation among Indo-Europeans originated in Siberia ~14,000 years ago. It’s pretty likely that it spread among non-European peoples also.

    Wiki says “The derived allele of KITLG associated with blond hair in modern Europeans is present in several individuals of the Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) lineage, and is recorded in Mesolithic Eastern Europe as associated with the Eastern European Hunter-Gatherer (EHG) lineage derived from ANE. The earliest known individual with the derived allele is the ANE Afontova Gora 3 individual, dated to 14,700 years ago.[33]”

  504. Mikhail says: • Website

    An example of schmuck journalism:

    https://thinkprogress.org/alan-dershowitz-russia-propaganda-02f4cf31c533/

    Calling RT propaganda, unlike MSNBC and CNN, in addition to calling someone with a valid view, a conspiracy theorist.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  505. Southwest grounds Boeing 737 MAX jets until end of May

    Mar. 30, 2019 10:11 AM ET|About: Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV)|By: Clark Schultz, SA News Editor

    Southwest Airlines (NYSE:LUV) says it will was pull its 34 Boeing 737 MAX 8 jets from the company’s flight schedules through the end of May, according to Reuters. An earlier timeline had the Boeing 737 MAX jets grounded until April 20.

    “This will impact the lines in May, but, now that the decision has been made, we can construct our schedule without those flights well in advance in hopes to minimize the daily disruptions,” says the company and the Southwest Airlines Pilots Association in a joint memorandum.

    Southwest is in the process of publishing a new schedule for May to take into the account the Boeing 737 Max 8 grounding.

    Shares of LUV are up 11.7% YTD and trade at just under 11X 2019 EPS estimates.

    https://seekingalpha.com/news/3447072-southwest-grounds-boeing-737-max-jets-end-may

  506. @utu

    Banning David Irving is understandable imo, since Poland is obviously extremely sensitive to anything that would downplay Nazi German crimes.
    I don’t think Taylor has ever expressed positive views of Nazi Germany though (he’d probably fault Hitler for having caused the deaths of so many white Europeans), nor is he explicitly antisemitic. It’s also ridiculous to claim that he’s likely to incite violence.
    It just seems perverse to ban him, especially at a time when thousands of IS jihadis are returning to Europe, often facing nothing more than being welcomed by some social worker who’s to help them with “reintegrating”.
    I guess this shows how deep the rot really goes and how grim the situation is.

    • Replies: @utu
  507. utu says:
    @German_reader

    Jared Taylor is a useless windbag.

    • Replies: @songbird
  508. szopen says:
    @DFH

    It’s really a no-brainer. Banning some no-name from the west in return for some signalling points, while refusing to ban him = one more argument for the west and for the internal opposition to call current government “fascists”. And here they can say “see, we banned this awful rascist… eee what was his name? Haredi Taylor? That’s right! We are not racists!”

    • Disagree: Epigon
    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @DFH
    , @reiner Tor
  509. szopen says:
    @German_reader

    Why Polish government should care about some foreigner, actually?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  510. @szopen

    If they had merely refused him entry to Poland, I don’t think there would be reason to complain…but having him banned from the entire EU?
    And it’s a mistake to think that such antiracist signaling will ever work and help to deflect criticism, it merely validates the existing narrative instead of reframing it.
    If Jared Taylor is promoting a “totalitarian ideology”, why should it be ok for Poland to stay majority Polish and Catholic? Isn’t that the opposite of the inclusiveness an open society should strive for, and kind of totalitarian itself?
    And if it’s ok for Poland to push an initiative to ban an individual from the entire EU, why doesn’t Poland show more solidarity with other EU countries and take its fair share of refugees? Pretty hypocritical to denounce racism with words, but not act upon it.

    • Replies: @szopen
    , @utu
    , @Anonymous
  511. songbird says:
    @utu

    What would make him useful? If he were anti-ZOG? He went to Yale and probably had a lot of Jewish friends, but he’s not a neocon, as far as I know.

    I think even Charles Murray is useful, although I consider him rather soft on immigration and the realities of race. Taylor runs a moderately useful website and conferences, anyway. Ideally, he’d be producing popular mass entertainment/propaganda. But since no one on the Right is doing that, it is probably not too easy to do outside the existing Leftist framework.

    • Replies: @utu
  512. szopen says:
    @German_reader

    Pretty hypocritical to denounce racism with words, but not act upon it.

    Welcome to the real world 😀

    It’s really simple. Jared Taylor is no one. He has not political support. Banning him costs you nothing. Not banning might cost you something.

    Another thing is that it’s not necessarily “Government”. The administration is large and numerous, and it’s not like it got purged with the elections.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  513. Epigon says:
    @szopen

    Naturally, I agree with your explanation – I was too clumsy to press Agree instead of Disagree – there is no way to correct it that I am aware of,

    • Replies: @German_reader
  514. @szopen

    Again, if they merely had stated he’s not welcome in Poland and refused him entry in/deported him from Poland, it wouldn’t be a problem, just a wholly legitimate manifestation of Polish sovereignty.
    But validating the claim that any sort of pro-white activism, even explicitly non-violent one, is eeeeeeeevil and deserves to be crushed with extraordinary measures like bans from most of the European continent…well, if one thinks like that, there’s not much of a basis for rejecting the coming African mass immigration.
    But then I suppose Polish right-wingers just assume they won’t be affected anyway. They seem to have this idea that they can grab all the goodies from EU/NATO membership, but still maintain their homogenous Catholic national community, all the while preening themseles on their heroic past and looking down on the decadent West which undergoes rapid demographic transformation. Well, good luck with that.

  515. @Epigon

    You can simply change it after some time.

  516. DFH says:
    @szopen

    I agree about the attempt to get signalling points, although obviously it’s totally ineffective. I don’t think they would have been blamed for allowing him in though; did anyone care about his visit last year?

  517. utu says:
    @German_reader

    Jared Taylor exemplifies American racist provisionalism. The American concept of Whiteness was invented in the American South from where it metastasized to almost all America with the help of American oligarchy. Europe and Poland is not interested in American primitive racial categories. Europeans fortunately did not get infected with the American White pseudo-identity so far because they still have a rich cultural heritage from which they can draw the sense who they are. The Islamic thread to Europe of which you are so concerned will be easily contained once the political will will be regained. On the other hand Americanization is a of much greater threat to Europeans in the long run.

    David Irving had much more to offer to European self understanding before his livelihood and reputations was destroyed by Jewish Americans and his work could and still can lead to some healing of deep wounds left by the WWII. America and its Jared Taylors can only keep festering this wounds.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  518. utu says:
    @songbird

    He is as much useful as some ornithologist who is concerned about some pond being overtaken by migrating Canadian gees to the detriment of the indigenous loons, who talks about it but mostly because he is in love with his own voice while really not giving a fuck about the loons and the outcome.

  519. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    I doubt the Polish authorities are parsing Taylor’s message and ideology that closely. What’s more likely is they see an American associating with native far-right groups and getting attention for it, this gets them concerned, they spend 5 minutes Googling Taylor based on which they designate him some kind of crypto-Nazi and terrorist sympathizer (Dylann Roof), and he gets banned. It may have just been the judgment of some mid-level customs bureaucrat; I don’t think decisions like this get a particularly high degree of scrutiny (in the US they certainly don’t seem to).

  520. @utu

    The Islamic thread to Europe of which you are so concerned will be easily contained once the political will will be regained.

    It’s not merely an Islamic threat (though that is a very important component), it’s also about the demographic explosion of non-Islamic Africa (which is very hard to reject if you accept the standard “antiracist” narrative).
    And there’s absolutely no sign of any political will to restrict immigration, instead the establishment in key European countries is doing everything it can to prepare the ground for a massive expansion of immigration.

    I agree with you though that Americanization is a very serious problem, and that European nationalists should be very wary of uncritically linking up with the American alt-right. The situations in Europe and the US aren’t strictly comparable; and it bothers me how some European identitarians obsess more over the latest US race controversies than about what’s going on in neighbouring European countries…it’s the mirror image of America exporting its toxic anti-white race discourse.
    I don’t see though how David Irving is supposed to play any positive role, rehabilitation of Hitler is unlikely to be a unifying force in Europe.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @utu
    , @utu
  521. DFH says:
    @German_reader

    I agree with you though that Americanization is a very serious problem, and that European nationalists should be very wary of uncritically linking up with the American alt-right.

    There are probably several thousand more important things that European nationalists should be considering than the effects of American white racial identity upon Europeans.

    Anyway, I don’t really see what the particularly American problem is since his beloved Hitler actually did talk about the concept of Europe quite a bit

    https://hooktube.com/watch?v=_3n3YQnbW_s

    • Replies: @German_reader
  522. @DFH

    There are probably several thousand more important things that European nationalists should be considering than the effects of American white racial identity upon Europeans.

    In general American influence is absolutely pernicious, something like that anti-“blackface” protest in Paris mentioned above is clearly an import of American racial discourse (as is the denigration of “old white men” which is increasingly common in European media), like so much else of “antiracism”.
    Europeans adopting the talking points of US racialist right-wingers is the flipside of that…understandable, but imo still problematic since it reinforces the dependence on American modes of thought.

    And no offense, but in general I really have to wonder about your reflexive defense of the US, given your strong anti-black and antisemitic views. The US is an extremely pro-black and pro-Jewish country, and it seems most American white gentiles are fine with that.

    btw, I can’t watch the video you linked to…banned in Germany, lol.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Hyperborean
  523. utu says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t see though how David Irving is supposed to play any positive role, rehabilitation of Hitler is unlikely to be a unifying force in Europe.

    Not rehabilitation but normalization. Irving was a main stream historian respected by other historians with great reputation. Irving work could lead to sealing the artificial cracks created for propaganda purposes by Anglo-Americans Jews and Soviets in the fabric of European identity. Europe could heal and stop being being played against each other by the anti-European forces like Americans, Russians and Jews. And Irving was very successful in bringing human dimension to Germans and their rational. He wa able to bring human dimension to the real ‘Nazis’ and get away form the two dimensional Nazis that even intelligent and reasonable people like ‘reiner Tor’ got incurably inculcated with. He was very dangerous to the dominant two dimensional cartoon narrative. The Holocaust issue used against him was just a ruse. He fell for it. It was his mistake. A sin of pride most likely. He was too good and too successful at what he was doing in the legitimate historical research that was top notch so he had to be destroyed.

    Note that Israel-Russia rapprochement under auspices of Chabad Lubavichers in recent years (building monuments to Red Army soldiers in Israel and having Netanyahu at WWII Victory Parade in Moscow and building synagogue all over Russia) leads to a common historical politics by Israel and Russia, i.e, the glorification of the Red Army as the savior of the Jews and the World and at the same time cementing the Holocaust narrative. So the chances that the archives in Moscow concerning the WWII and the Holocaust being open and reevaluated are now nil.

    On the other thread I wrote a comment today that is related to this issue that I modified slightly.

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/escape-from-america-budapest/#comment-3124092
    Orban seems to be a very skillful politician. He plays Israeli-American game of undermining the EU which offers some protection from adopting insane EU immigration policies. At the same time he is flexible enough to maintain a decent relationship with Russia. However once the US will make the reset with Russia which is inevitable, the protective umbrella extended over Hungary (and Poland) will be folded and Hungary and Poland will be left at mercy of the EU and Germany, which however may be a blessing in disguise if by then the EU will rectify some of its insane policies thanks to the new trends set by politicians like Salvini of Italy. For the politicians of the so called V4 countries it is a waiting game and navigating between the ‘anti-Marxist Zionism’ and the ‘anti-Zionist Marxism’ but there is no escape from the neoliberalism, i.e., the power of financial markets of oligarchy. Anyway all signs now indicate that both Kaczynski and Orban are Netanyahu’s two bitches.

    NB: One should consider a possibility that the reason countries like Poland and Hungary were allowed to resist the Muslim invasion of 2015 was that they were being groomed to be a lifeboat for the exterritorial expansion of Israel into Europe (see Operation Shylock by Philip Roth for a fictional version of this scenario and Henry Kissinger’s 2012 utterance that Israel would not exist in 10 years).

    In an ideal case, in theory at least the EU is the only salvation for the Western Civilization in the long run. Only EU could stand up to the American-Jewish-Russian neoliberal oligarchy. Neither America nor Russia can control or contain this oligarchy as it was created by Judeo-Capitalism and Judeo-Bolshevism in their countries. Europe can resist Islam very easily however to save the Western Civilization it must resist Americanization which poses much greater threat and this threat will be greater when America will join its forces with Russia just like they did in the WWII when the two non-European powers conquered and occupied Europe.

    If Europe will be saved it will be by Germany, France and Italy and the V4 countries onece they shake off false promises of USrael protection against the imaginary thread of Russia and false protection against the Islamic immigration that is engineered by Israel anyway.

    The bottom line is that the enemy of Europe is the US and Israel. The anti-Russian histeria an paranoia is to split Russia from Europe and draw it eventually to American sphere of influenc against Europe and China.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  524. utu says:
    @German_reader

    Two months ago I suggest the following angle for Germans as part of of populist movement (in search of acceptable to Germans enem as each populist movement must have an enemy. The enemy is America and Americanization.)

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/heart-of-darkness-germany/#comment-3040960

    Europeans and Germans especially should use anti-American sentiments in their fight against the immigration. There is no laws against being anti-American in Germany yet.

    Why America is so fucked up? Because they have no social cohesion and solidarity.

    Why Americans are so easily manipulated by their media and neoliberal oligarchy. Because they have low social cohesion and solidarity as a country of immigrants.

    Why do the powers that be want immigrants and minorities? Because ruling people is so much easier when you can divide them.

    Why do the powers that be love immigrants? Because they like cheap labor that will replace you.

    We don’t want to become dysfunctional America!

    Save Europe from becoming America. There is still time. Stop immigration now.

    Make the message not about Germany being German but about Germany and Europe not becoming America.

    You can stop immigration only if you attract more people to your movement. Your message must be palatable and attractive to them. You can’t turn them off with racism because they were so strongly conditioned against it that they behave like Pavlovian dogs when they hear anything remotely linked to racism or anti-semitism.

    To attract people from the left to your side you must make your cause about going against the system, against the capitalism, against the neoliberalism and against the economic injustice. Do not concentrate on immigrants how stupid, ugly and bad they are but on the powers that bring them in. Do not fall into the trap of stupid American alt-right that profess IQism and HBDism by people like Sailer, Karlin, Derbyshire on this site. They actually might be the useful idiots or the fifth column of the neoliberal system.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  525. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Anti-Americanism is difficult to exploit as a political force, especially in Europe, for a few reasons:

    -Historical association of anti-Americanism with fringe far-right and far-left movements which are generally regarded as cranky, ineffectual failures

    -America is not a remote, abstract entity; almost everybody likes at least some American stuff (especially young people), which can induce cognitive dissonance

    -Although America is in some respects dysfunctional, it is still in many other aspects a highly functional and even aspirational society. If you cite American diversity as a weakness the opposition can easily point to e.g. Silicon Valley (since all countries would like to have something like Silicon Valley within their borders)

    Also, while American racial categories have historically not had much applicability to the European context, I don’t think this is the case anymore today: as long as you have relative freedom of movement between European states (which will be the case for the foreseeable future), combined with substantial MENA presence in those states, people are going to make distinctions between “white” (European) and “non-white,” if only on a s