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It’s the end of summer. Time to have a proper Open Thread at last (with links).

I should be moving into a new apartment by late September. It was in a dreadful state when I acquired it, and the remont (refurbishment) has used up most of my savings – and I still need to furnish it. The quicker I finish with that, the sooner I’ll be able to return to high productivity blogging. Making piecemeal purchases of furniture and various odds and ends from month to month isn’t the most efficient approach.

You can help speed that up by donating via PayPal, sponsoring me on Patreon, or sending BTC to 17tDufZUEK3DvQh3rY75F3xtVgxj4TzdtB

All contributions are appreciated, and encourage me to continue blogging – from small symbolic sums to the occasional three-figure gift. That said, please only donate if it’s not a burden.

Unless something drastic happens, my glorious NEETdom will come to a partial end around October. I’ll poast more on this later, but the job will involve academic research around the intersection of Russian demographics, economics, and psychometrics. One can hardly think of a better synchronization with this blog’s contents, so I don’t even expect it to substantially affect output here.

In the pipeline for September: A couple more Kholmogorov translations (we will soon have enough material for a book); a few more travel reports from provincial Russian cities; some more Russian/Soviet history and statistical comparisons; several book reviews; and several more “futurist” posts on the Age of Malthusian Industrialism (this may also eventually be expanded into a book).

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Featured News

* TURKEY. After its devaluation, it now has Europe’s third lowest wage after the Ukraine and Moldova.

map-europe-average-wage-2018

* DECOUPLING. Leonid Bershidsky (Bloomberg): The U.S. Can’t Bring Russia ‘to Its Knees’. This tallies with my take – even if Russian liberasts such as Karina Orlova and Konstantin Eggert wish things were otherwise.

* US starts implementing the Skripal sanctions as of August 27.

* David Becker releases the final version (1.3.1) of his National IQ dataset.

* BEAR & DRAGON. Paul Goncharoff (The Duran): Russia and China build bridges together, successfully fulfill MAJOR infrastructure projects

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Russia

* MORE DECOUPLING. Leonid Bershidsky (Bloomberg): Large Russian Companies Are Turning Inward

* UPPER VOLTA. The Economist: Russia leads the world at nuclear-reactor exports

map-russia-nuclear-exports

Flat domestic demand for electricity has curtailed construction of new plants at home, so Rosatom, Russia’s state-owned nuclear-power company, has been flogging its wares abroad. It is focused on what some call the “great grand middle”: countries that are close allies of neither the United States nor Russia. In April Russia started building Turkey’s first nuclear plant, worth $20bn. Its first reactor is due for completion in 2023. Rosatom says it has 33 new plants on its order book, worth some $130bn.

* RBC: 39% fewer Russian schoolchildren in British schools. In fairness, I think this has more to do with ruble devaluation than a lessening of the Anglo cargo cult amongst Russia’s rich.

* PEW: Russians Say Their Government Did Not Try to Influence U.S. Presidential Election

car-kalashnikov* RETRO. That old Lada-like electric car? Just a publicity stunt by Kalashnikov Concern, which has actually enjoyed good growth in the past few years. See Bershidsky.

* NOT EXACTLY SPY-LIKE. Washington Post: Before her arrest as an alleged Russian agent, Maria Butina’s proud defense of her homeland drew notice at American University

* Encyclopedia Russophobica – new Wiki (in Russian) classifying Russophobic tropes [in Russian]. Currently in its embryonic stages.

* BOOMER NATIONALISM. The Derb thinks people who critiqued his highly negative characterization of Russia (“Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional nation, an economic nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a population increasingly composed of aging drunks“) are pro-Putin trolls.

* BLAST FROM THE PAST. Ben Aris (BNE) remembers: Russia’s 1998 crisis redux

* MAGNITSKY. Lucy Komisar: I’ve Been Browder’s Number One Journalist Critic for Two Decades. Here’s What President Trump Should Know About Handling Him

* Global Times: Russian student wins world’s largest Chinese language contest

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World

* SINOTRIUMPH

* Surprisingly, Indonesia may also be getting into floating NPPs in a big way.

* DEEP ROOTS. Gregory Clark, Neil Cummins: The big sort: The decline of northern England, 1780–2018

Northern England is now less educated and less productive than the south. This north-south divide is often characterised by policymakers as evidence of market failure. This column uses surname distributions to show that the northern decline can instead be explained by persistent outmigration of talent from the north. People of northern origin perform as well on average as those of southern origin. Talented northerners, however, are now mainly located in the south, where they are an economic elite.

Incidentally, he will soon have another book out, For Whom The Bell Curve Tolls.

* FOOM. Gwern Branwen: Did John von Neumann (brightest man on the Manhattan Project) also invent the technological singularity? (as opposed to Good).

* LONGEVITY. Josh Mitteldorf: The Most Effective Personal Anti-aging Program

* NBF: Within 5 years, the world could widely accept that we are within striking distance of a post aging world

* Athanasios Lapatinas, Anastasia Litina (2018): Intelligence and economic sophistication

Backed by strong empirical results, obtained from several different specification and sensitivity analyses, this paper contends that countries with high-intellectual quotient populations produce and export more sophisticated/complex products.

* Peter Frost: Why is IQ declining in the Arab world?

* IMPRESSIVE RAM. Quanta: A Master of Numbers and Shapes Who Is Rewriting Arithmetic

In his mathematics classes there, he never took notes, recalled Hellmann, who was his classmate. Scholze could understand the course material in real time, Hellmann said. “Not just understand, but really understand on some kind of deep level, so that he also would not forget.”

* Samo Burja: The risk of an American Civil War is remote

* CYBERPUNK AS FUCK: First Assassination Markets Appear on Prediction Platform Augur

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Culture War

* POWERFUL TAKE. Disavowing all nationalism forthwith.

gay-nationalism

* Ron Unz has been hard at work on the JQ this month:

* ZOG. Philip Giraldi: The Crucifixion of Jeremy Corbyn

* ULTIMATE REDPILL: ROG IS BEHIND ZOG. Times of Israel: Is Putin’s Kremlin subverting Israeli democracy? A Russia expert thinks so

* BLAST FROM THE PAST. While at a nationalist bookstore in Moscow, I discovered this book about the Black Hundreds. A few pages in, and I found that they apparently they had a daughter organization called “Muslim Union of the Russian People out of Kazan Tatars.” For some really strange reason I am getting the feeling that almost nothing that sovoks & liberasts claim about the Black Hundreds is true. I’ll need to study this issue sometime.

* WHITE POWER. Audacious Epigone: Gun ownership rates by race.

gun-ownership-by-race

* COCKS OR KIDS? Audacious Epigone: Inverse relationship between number of partners and number of children

* Audacious Epigone: Meditations on America and Rome

* USA IS FULL OF PAVLIK MOROZOVS. Greg Hood (Amren): Nation of Little Swine

* SAD. Greg Hood (Amren): Forbidden Research: How the study of intelligence is crippled by ideology

Full paper by Woodley, Michael et al. (2018): Communicating intelligence research: Media misrepresentation, the Gould Effect, and unexpected forces

* Russia Insider: Richard Spencer’s Views on Russia – an Exclusive Interview With an Alt-Right Leader

* Emil Kirkegaard: How information control works at big tech, according to one insider.

* Dan Decarlo (The American Conservative): The Gentrification Trade-Off in Buffalo. BAPism cannot be contained!

Gone are the old dive bars, tackily decorated pizza shops, and bowling alleys, replaced by upscale wine bars full of young professionals enjoying tasteful banter with their girlfriends

* BRITCUCKS. Male, pale and stale university professors to be given ‘reverse mentors’

* BOOM! Cool visualization of US vs. Soviet/Russian arms’ exports from 1950-2017.

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  1. Nightfox says:

    Hi everyone, I’m Nightfox. Since this is my very first comment here on Anatoly’s blog, I should introduce myself. I’ve been reading Anatoly’s blog since I was 13 or 14 years old, and it has probably been one of the greatest influences on my life. It’s very rare that you will come across someone who shares 90%+ of your opinions, and Anatoly is one of them. It’s also rare that you will come across such an intelligent, open-minded and diverse commentariat; it’s no surprise that many commentators here have aristocratic descent and elite university connections. My future posts will probably be delayed as I try to research before I write, but I think it’s about time I stopped lurking and began contributing a bit.

    Like our friend Thorfinnsson, I’m dying to meet the AK commentariat in real life, and would be greatly interested helping organize a meetup. If I am not mistaken, there is an email thread already available. I suppose Anatoly can have my email address added to the thread, unless there is some kind of minimum commenting requirement.

    By the way, Anatoly, if you need someone to do translations for you, I happen to be currently available. My Russian is not completely fluent, but since I speak English fluently I can crank out a decent translation with the help of a dictionary. I tend to translate rather literally though.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Thanks for the kind compliments and the offer of help with translations.

    I am always up for meeting my readers, you can email me (address given here: http://akarlin.com/) or contact me via Facebook/Twitter if or when you are in Moscow.

    We don't really have anything organized. That said, even if we do manage to arrange a community meetup, we will not be able to invite a person with only a few comments to his name for opsec reasons. Of course this will change if/when you become a regular commenter.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Welcome aboard Nightfox.

    I suggest you develop a niche as a commenting strategy.
    , @anonymous

    It’s also rare that you will come across such an intelligent, open-minded and diverse commentariat; it’s no surprise that many commentators here have aristocratic descent and elite university connections.
     
    While the former is true, I doubt the latter. Never seen any commenter mention Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. or working in an elite job like an investment bank or management consulting firm. Readership is mostly made up of people who are instinctively contrarian and follow current affairs closely.

    There are at least two entrepreneurs like Thor the factory owner and Philip(?) the trader/business finder.
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  2. Nightfox says:

    Whoops, it looks like I accidentally posted my comment twice. Is there a way of deleting the second one?

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    After 5 minutes, it's impossible to edit your old comments, unfortunately.
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  3. Twinkie says:

    * WHITE POWER. Audacious Epigone: Gun ownership rates by race.

    I speculate that the “Asian” category here obfuscates big differences among the very different constituent groups. My local diehard pro-gun group, which finds the NRA to be sellouts (as I do) is about 90% white and 10% Asian (mostly Koreans and Vietnamese), with virtually no blacks, Hispanics, and Indians (South Asians).

    Remember the LA Riots shootout video with Korean merchants? They were defending their gun store.

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    which finds the NRA to be sellouts (as I do)

    ?
    , @Dan Bagrov
    Indeed. Your Red Chinese and (outside gas station owners) your south Asians will hardly ever own guns. Vietnamese on the other hand are in many ways much more like whites. I recall them being the only non white group to narrowly break for the GOP.
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  4. Dmitry says:

    The question I was wondering today, is it worth buying a Nintendo Switch?

    Bloomberg was saying the PS5 is still not going to be released for a long time.

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    • Replies: @Talha

    The question I was wondering today, is it worth buying a Nintendo Switch?
     
    No - my 9 year old has one. While it is an impressive piece of hardware, if you are an adult, don't waste your money on kid stuff.

    Peace.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    What kind of games do you like? That's the most relevant to consoles.
    , @Kimppis
    1. The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?

    I haven't been following the industry closely lately, as I've been more into retro gaming, but I have to say that the Switch's success was and is a huge surprise. I thought I knew and understood the gaming industry and its trends quite well, but apparently not.

    Well, I suppose very few people expected the Wii U to flop as hard as it did and atleast the Switch is actually fully portable, but I just don't understand the mass appeal of it at all, in 2018. Who are those people buying it?

    I mean I understand its appeal in Japan, the lifestyle there and all that, but in the West. WTF is going on? Is it for kids mainly? But don't they already have their tablets and smartphones? And it's not like the Switch is cheap, on the contrary, it's massively overpriced in my opinion.

    So in the West, especially in the US (Nintendo is actually nowhere near as popular in Europe) we have: 1. the declining demographic of hardcore Nintendo fans (look at the sales trends from the original NES to Wii U, decline after every generation, the DS and Wii obviously don't count) and especially look at the Wii U sales numbers... So how big is that Nintendo fan demographic? 10-20 million, maybe, 2. then we have PS4, Xbox One and PC with their third-party support. The PS4 especially has been a big success and 3. casual gamers that already have their mobile devices.

    So who are those people buying the Switch in their millions? Where were they when the Wii U was in the market? Or maybe even more interestingly, why didn't those people buy more Playstation Vitas? As I said, it was probably inevitable that the Switch was going to do better than the Wii U, but I still predicted Xbox One or N64 numbers at best. I don't understand this at all. Dedicated mass market handheld gaming should be almost dead, more of a niche market than ever before. What's going on?

    2. The system itself and alternatives (This is like... my actual reply lol)

    That said, I really like handhelds myself and the PS Vita is one of the most underrated things ever, so I'm certainly going to pick up a Switch eventually. Those third-party ports, like Dark Souls, Doom and Wolfenstein look really interesting, and of course its Japanese offerings.

    However, I really think that the system is too expensive currently, it's not worth much more than €200. So Dmitry, certainly don't pay the full price for it. Also, in a typical Nintendo fashion game prices are probably going to remain high for most first-party titles, including for used copies.

    Looking at your PS4 collection, I'm not even sure whether you are really interested in Switch's library of games. So if you're not big into Japanesese games or handheld gaming, there are probably better options for you. How about a standard Xbox One? You could probably pick one up for cheap, especially used and it has all the Call of Dutys and GTAs. I haven't read that Bloomberg article, but the PS5 probably won't launch before 2020-21. One thing to keep in mind as well is that Nintendo might release an improved version of the Switch in a few years time.

    3. The current state of gaming and SJWs

    While I've never actually disliked Nintendo and its games, I really don't have nostalgia for it either. Except Pokemon, I was born in the early 90s and around 99-01 Pokemon was the biggest thing ever. So I somehow and for some reason would really like them to go third-party. Nintendo (or rather, the NES) is terribly overrated in American retro gaming circles (and hence, on the Internet as a whole, gotta love that soft power influence) and Nintendo fanboys are very annoying.

    Although recent events and trends have sort of made me respect Nintendo (and even Japan) more. Looking at Western AAA gaming, it doesn't look too good currently. There's more and more focus on multiplayer and the game-as-service model and it seems that big-budget games are more Anglo and US centric than ever before as well (probably related to that "Europe can't into big tech" issue), due to Japan's relative decline and the total cucking of Europe.

    I'm not sure what happened, but I guess the European studios (10 to 20 years ago) were smaller on average, so they got more or less literally owned by the big American publishers, etc. (There are of course exceptions, like Poland's CDPR. But even their next game is set... in the US.) And of course the worst trend of them all: SJWs. The mainstream gaming has been tainted big-time by them lately.

    Those readers who are not into gaming, I really suggest that even you watch this Battlefield 5 (aka Genderfield 5: Feminism Strikes Back) reveal trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1MR85XFOc&t=4s

    Yes, that is really supposed to be WW2. The like-to-dislike ratio is impressive: 335K vs 470K. Which is even more amazing, considering how well their previous game was received, because it was set in WW1 (possibly the biggest... "entertainment product" about that conflict ever?). So they've lost a huge amount of goodwill among hardcore fans and gamers in general. This is how our neo-communists are going to rewrite history. It probably won't come as a huge surprise that the game is developed in... Sweden.


    After explaining the creative reasoning, Soderlund moved into personal examples. “I have a 13-year-old daughter that when the trailer came out and she saw all the flak, she asked me, ‘Dad, why’s this happening?'” he continued. “She plays Fortnite, and says, ‘I can be a girl in Fortnite. Why are people so upset about this?’ … I just said, ‘You know what? You’re right. This is not ok.’ These are people who are uneducated – they don’t understand that this is a plausible scenario.
     
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  5. RETRO. That old Lada-like electric car? Just a publicity stunt by Kalashnikov

    Actually, it looks like Moskvich:

    Really weird design choice.

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    Well, this is clowning. But China can be actually serious, that there is an opportunity now for them to become an internationally competitive, not based on subsidiaries, car industry.

    Electric cars industry will have lower barriers to entry, (in a few years, a startup like Tesla could produce them), and years of investment in internal combustion technology and patents, of competitor companies, can be bypassed.

    I wonder if the next Toyota or Hyundai will be from China.

    , @reiner Tor
    I also thought it looked like a Moskvich. A car with even lower prestige than a Dacia. Still better than a Zaporozhets, though. I’m not sure about the Trabant. The Trabant was definitely worse than the Moskvich, at least on paper, but probably way more reliable, so most people probably preferred the Trabant. A Wartburg was both better and more reliable than the Moskvich, so had higher prestige.

    But the best car available for most customers in communist Hungary was the Lada, especially in my childhood the Lada 2107. The best communist car, designed by the Italians. The Volga was only used by lower officialdom, so doesn’t count. The ZIL limousines were shunned by higher level officials, who preferred Mercedes-Benz.
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  6. Dmitry says:
    @Nightfox
    Whoops, it looks like I accidentally posted my comment twice. Is there a way of deleting the second one?

    After 5 minutes, it’s impossible to edit your old comments, unfortunately.

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  7. @Nightfox
    Hi everyone, I’m Nightfox. Since this is my very first comment here on Anatoly’s blog, I should introduce myself. I’ve been reading Anatoly’s blog since I was 13 or 14 years old, and it has probably been one of the greatest influences on my life. It’s very rare that you will come across someone who shares 90%+ of your opinions, and Anatoly is one of them. It’s also rare that you will come across such an intelligent, open-minded and diverse commentariat; it’s no surprise that many commentators here have aristocratic descent and elite university connections. My future posts will probably be delayed as I try to research before I write, but I think it’s about time I stopped lurking and began contributing a bit.

    Like our friend Thorfinnsson, I’m dying to meet the AK commentariat in real life, and would be greatly interested helping organize a meetup. If I am not mistaken, there is an email thread already available. I suppose Anatoly can have my email address added to the thread, unless there is some kind of minimum commenting requirement.

    By the way, Anatoly, if you need someone to do translations for you, I happen to be currently available. My Russian is not completely fluent, but since I speak English fluently I can crank out a decent translation with the help of a dictionary. I tend to translate rather literally though.

    Thanks for the kind compliments and the offer of help with translations.

    I am always up for meeting my readers, you can email me (address given here: http://akarlin.com/) or contact me via Facebook/Twitter if or when you are in Moscow.

    We don’t really have anything organized. That said, even if we do manage to arrange a community meetup, we will not be able to invite a person with only a few comments to his name for opsec reasons. Of course this will change if/when you become a regular commenter.

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    Damn I should probably start commenting then if I ever want to meet up given I've been reading this thing for years.
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  8. The deal between US and North Korea appears to be disintegrating: US has announced it will continue war exercises, demands immediate “denuclearisation” (capitulation) from North Korea.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/08/how-media-failures-complicate-the-nuclear-talks-with-north-korea.html

    There seems to be a pattern here.

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  9. iffen says:
    @Twinkie

    * WHITE POWER. Audacious Epigone: Gun ownership rates by race.
     
    I speculate that the “Asian” category here obfuscates big differences among the very different constituent groups. My local diehard pro-gun group, which finds the NRA to be sellouts (as I do) is about 90% white and 10% Asian (mostly Koreans and Vietnamese), with virtually no blacks, Hispanics, and Indians (South Asians).

    Remember the LA Riots shootout video with Korean merchants? They were defending their gun store.

    which finds the NRA to be sellouts (as I do)

    ?

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Fight after school in the parking lot!!! Bring bullet-proof vests - it's going down!

    Peace.
    , @Twinkie
    https://www.usacarry.com/forums/politics-and-news/9308-nra-continues-compromise-second-amendment.html

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nra-bump-stocks-20171006-story.html
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  10. Talha says:
    @Dmitry
    The question I was wondering today, is it worth buying a Nintendo Switch?

    Bloomberg was saying the PS5 is still not going to be released for a long time.

    The question I was wondering today, is it worth buying a Nintendo Switch?

    No – my 9 year old has one. While it is an impressive piece of hardware, if you are an adult, don’t waste your money on kid stuff.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Lol even your children have a Nintendo Switch.

    I have got an OLED tv now, but not license to watch television, and nothing connected to it yet apart from a chromecast or my laptop. It's feeling unappreciated.

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  11. Talha says:
    @iffen
    which finds the NRA to be sellouts (as I do)

    ?

    Fight after school in the parking lot!!! Bring bullet-proof vests – it’s going down!

    Peace.

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  12. @Dmitry
    The question I was wondering today, is it worth buying a Nintendo Switch?

    Bloomberg was saying the PS5 is still not going to be released for a long time.

    What kind of games do you like? That’s the most relevant to consoles.

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    On PS4 I only have Fifa 2017, Call of duty black ops, Doom, Grand theft Auto 5. I had to leave it in my room and move to another country, a few months after getting it. So I didn't get a chance for any newer ones.

    I try to keep my laptop clean of games because I work on it all day (and night). (So forums like this and YouTube are the only distraction from work).
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  13. Talha says:

    COCKS OR KIDS?

    The survey makes sense, though I still don’t get why the onus is only on the women in society – I assume there are male partners involved when they say they’ve slept around with male partners. Don’t want women sluts walking around – great – stop sleeping around with them. It’s not rocket science.

    Peace.

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    So Rosie, how many kids did you say you have?
    , @Thorfinnsson
    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. Additionally, broad sexual experience severely damages a woman's ability to pair bond (not saying players are innocent in this regard either--you develop a problem similar to someone who's eaten too much fine cuisine).

    Mathematically, men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.

    And then there's game theory. If you take a pass someone else will tap that.

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political. It's not surprising that a lot of men who started out as PUAs in the 2000s are now radical reactionaries who would make even many pious Mohammedans blush. Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue. There's a reason for that.
    , @Hyperborean
    I think this is a significant error of the manosphere - they profess to want a traditional society, but they are not prepared to make the personal sacrifices to actually create it.

    Hopefully, more orthodox American reactionaries can influence their more wayward dissidents-in-arms.

    https://www.socialmatter.net/2018/03/27/sexual-dynamics-average-partner-numbers-are-gender-identical/
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  14. iffen says:
    @Talha

    COCKS OR KIDS?
     
    The survey makes sense, though I still don't get why the onus is only on the women in society - I assume there are male partners involved when they say they've slept around with male partners. Don't want women sluts walking around - great - stop sleeping around with them. It's not rocket science.

    Peace.

    So Rosie, how many kids did you say you have?

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  15. @Talha

    COCKS OR KIDS?
     
    The survey makes sense, though I still don't get why the onus is only on the women in society - I assume there are male partners involved when they say they've slept around with male partners. Don't want women sluts walking around - great - stop sleeping around with them. It's not rocket science.

    Peace.

    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. Additionally, broad sexual experience severely damages a woman’s ability to pair bond (not saying players are innocent in this regard either–you develop a problem similar to someone who’s eaten too much fine cuisine).

    Mathematically, men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.

    And then there’s game theory. If you take a pass someone else will tap that.

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political. It’s not surprising that a lot of men who started out as PUAs in the 2000s are now radical reactionaries who would make even many pious Mohammedans blush. Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue. There’s a reason for that.

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    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).

    I guess most people here are born around early 1990s. But already current teenagers, are having less drugs and sex than in the past. .

    This is an international phenomena (levels of sex and drugs among teenagers falling in recent years in America, Russia, etc).

    If you want to see this as a good or bad thing, is another question. Moralists should be celebrating the current teenagers - utilitarians, the opposite.

    , @Talha
    OK - lots of stuff to unpack here, so...to commence...

    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap.
     
    It is beyond the biological equation, keep in mind what the blog post stated:

    The globohomo anti-white elite and their institutions want to slut you [women] up to lock you out--out of the future, that is. Choose wisely--civilization depends on it.
     
    You cannot both place the onus on women to safeguard civilization and concurrently deem them not capable of being involved in the decision making to run society. Men, in a serious patriarchy, recognize that they must put forward the proposal that they are in positions of power precisely to protect women and for their benefit. This cannot happen unless the men prove, through their actions that they are not behaving like; a) predators or b) children in a candy shop. Self-control is a necessary part of masculinity.

    broad sexual experience severely damages a woman’s ability to pair bond
     
    Correct, which is why men should not contribute to the break down of women that will be future wives and mothers.

    not saying players are innocent in this regard either
     
    Indeed and you brought up good examples which we will explore later.

    men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.
     
    In this day and age, they are only more liable to contribute to raising the statistical rates of abortions in society - women are not willing to have the children of hump-and-dump men. And they have the means to ensure they don't.

    If you take a pass someone else will tap that.
     
    OK - but two points:
    1) Why do you want to be a contributing factor in the downward spiral of society?
    2) According to the chart, the numbers of partners does have an affect on the later decision-making of the woman. You holding yourself in check could be the factor that determines whether she ends up in the 2-5 category or the 6-10 one - you can make the difference. Remember..."Choose wisely--civilization depends on it."

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political.
     
    Yes, ultimately, but you cannot put the cart before the horse.

    Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.
     
    I agree - and this is the kind of damage that can happen to PUAs. This is not good. Going from one extreme to another is of no help to anyone; better to map out a reasonable path from the get-go instead of setting up a bi-polar approach that will ensure the pendulum keeps swinging from one extreme to another ad infinitum.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue.
     
    Correct, but these kinds of laws can only be enforced if they already have a wide level of sign-off from the greater society. These laws are meant to force the hands of those exceptions to the rule - you cannot have 80% of society being an exception to the rule.

    Example; some level of alcohol prohibition is enforced in plenty of Muslim countries. Yes there are a few people that skirt the rules and either bribe their way out or get punished, but the majority of the population adheres to the rule because they already consider it a vice - you can handle the exceptions logistically. Compare that with the utter failure of prohibition in the US - even the cops were pissed off they couldn't drink booze.

    Look, I'm coming from a community that is tackling this stuff head on. We are trying to preserve the our next generation and hold the line (and do it well enough that they will be able to hold the line for at least seven generations or more). I'm also very well connected with plenty of spiritual teachers that share what's going on in the Muslim community and our points of failure based on counseling hundreds of families.

    One obvious point is in the families that tend to treat their gigolo sons with kid gloves but go ballistic when their girls mess around. Almost every single time, you will lose the girl because they see right through the hypocrisy - nobody respects hypocrisy. There have been plenty of times when I have been able to win over my daughter by pointing out that I don't have lax expectations for her brothers as opposed to her.

    These are some major issues I'm seeing in the Alt-Right/WN community - you guys need to be able to make this thing more appealing to women by stressing how it is in their best interest. Trust me, women will be on board to police themselves and not waste time with players when you do so:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zty8kFyMzDg

    But you, as men, need to provide the serious alternative to the players otherwise how are they going to know the difference if you're just trying to get into their pants just as much as the next guy?

    Peace.
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  16. The Thorfinnsson prophecy on Tesla is in the process of being fulfilled.

    Musk and Tesla are now officially under SEC investigation, which means Tesla cannot raise money from capital markets anymore.

    Hope Polish Perspective is hedged. :D

    If you click on this link on Twitter you should be able to bypass the WSJ paywall.

    WSJ is also available in PDF format from The Pirate Bay.

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  17. Can the Magyar Miracle comment on this? Seems worrying for Hungary.

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    I was unaware of that, and frankly find it a bit surprising in light of the fact that HUF interest rates have been basically zero for several years now. Is debt owed by Hungarian subsidiaries of foreign firms to their parent companies included in the number?

    I thought our foreign financing position didn’t look so bad. I will try to look into this.

    It doesn’t help that the Hungarian central bank is led by an Orbán loyalist dodo who organized the interior of the main central bank office building in accordance with the principles of feng shui.
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  18. Somewhat positive news regarding Russian demographics:

    Births for January-July 2018 are down 4,2% from same period of last year. July 2018 is 1,5% down from July 2017. Decline appears to have stabilized.

    http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/2018/demo/edn07-18.htm

    To give you some perspective, in the Ukraine January-June 2018 is 7,1% down from last year, including Lvov region – 7,5% down, Ivano-Frankovsk – 8,2% down.

    http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/operativ/operativ2018/ds/pp/pp_e/pp0618_e.html

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  19. @Nightfox
    Hi everyone, I’m Nightfox. Since this is my very first comment here on Anatoly’s blog, I should introduce myself. I’ve been reading Anatoly’s blog since I was 13 or 14 years old, and it has probably been one of the greatest influences on my life. It’s very rare that you will come across someone who shares 90%+ of your opinions, and Anatoly is one of them. It’s also rare that you will come across such an intelligent, open-minded and diverse commentariat; it’s no surprise that many commentators here have aristocratic descent and elite university connections. My future posts will probably be delayed as I try to research before I write, but I think it’s about time I stopped lurking and began contributing a bit.

    Like our friend Thorfinnsson, I’m dying to meet the AK commentariat in real life, and would be greatly interested helping organize a meetup. If I am not mistaken, there is an email thread already available. I suppose Anatoly can have my email address added to the thread, unless there is some kind of minimum commenting requirement.

    By the way, Anatoly, if you need someone to do translations for you, I happen to be currently available. My Russian is not completely fluent, but since I speak English fluently I can crank out a decent translation with the help of a dictionary. I tend to translate rather literally though.

    Welcome aboard Nightfox.

    I suggest you develop a niche as a commenting strategy.

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  20. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    What kind of games do you like? That's the most relevant to consoles.

    On PS4 I only have Fifa 2017, Call of duty black ops, Doom, Grand theft Auto 5. I had to leave it in my room and move to another country, a few months after getting it. So I didn’t get a chance for any newer ones.

    I try to keep my laptop clean of games because I work on it all day (and night). (So forums like this and YouTube are the only distraction from work).

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    Switch should be fine for your purposes with Breath of the Wild, etc, then.
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  21. Dmitry says:
    @Talha

    The question I was wondering today, is it worth buying a Nintendo Switch?
     
    No - my 9 year old has one. While it is an impressive piece of hardware, if you are an adult, don't waste your money on kid stuff.

    Peace.

    Lol even your children have a Nintendo Switch.

    I have got an OLED tv now, but not license to watch television, and nothing connected to it yet apart from a chromecast or my laptop. It’s feeling unappreciated.

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  22. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. Additionally, broad sexual experience severely damages a woman's ability to pair bond (not saying players are innocent in this regard either--you develop a problem similar to someone who's eaten too much fine cuisine).

    Mathematically, men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.

    And then there's game theory. If you take a pass someone else will tap that.

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political. It's not surprising that a lot of men who started out as PUAs in the 2000s are now radical reactionaries who would make even many pious Mohammedans blush. Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue. There's a reason for that.

    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).

    I guess most people here are born around early 1990s. But already current teenagers, are having less drugs and sex than in the past. .

    This is an international phenomena (levels of sex and drugs among teenagers falling in recent years in America, Russia, etc).

    If you want to see this as a good or bad thing, is another question. Moralists should be celebrating the current teenagers – utilitarians, the opposite.

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    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).
     
    Speaking from experience here?
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Teens are having less sex (and doing fewer drugs) owing to helicopter parenting, digital entertainment, and so forth. But they're not then going on to get married (young) and reproduce. Nothing to celebrate here from a moral or civilizational perspective.

    That said it seems that there is a very real reaction against divorce among the triple digit IQ crowd (the proles are simply negrizing and foregoing marriage). Probably because so many of us suffered from it as children.
    , @Twinkie
    “weird girls” = won’t sleep with you.
    , @The Big Red Scary

    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).
     
    I've been observing nerdy students (both men and women) for a number of years, both in various western countries and now in Russia. While I don't enquire about their sexual habits, I suspect that most of them practice serial monogamy punctuated by periods of involuntary celibacy.
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  23. E says:

    If that Russophobia wiki allowed versions of articles in other languages like Wikipedia does, I’d be willing to help with the English translation (at least, after their Russian-language articles became more-or-less stable).

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  24. Dmitry says:
    @Felix Keverich

    RETRO. That old Lada-like electric car? Just a publicity stunt by Kalashnikov https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/car-kalashnikov-300x196.jpg
     
    Actually, it looks like Moskvich:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/AZLK-2140_%22Moskvich%22_%281%2C5L%29_%28front_view%29.jpg/250px-AZLK-2140_%22Moskvich%22_%281%2C5L%29_%28front_view%29.jpg

    Really weird design choice.

    Well, this is clowning. But China can be actually serious, that there is an opportunity now for them to become an internationally competitive, not based on subsidiaries, car industry.

    Electric cars industry will have lower barriers to entry, (in a few years, a startup like Tesla could produce them), and years of investment in internal combustion technology and patents, of competitor companies, can be bypassed.

    I wonder if the next Toyota or Hyundai will be from China.

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    Tesla has raised $19bn in capital since its founding and arranged for another $9bn in credit via vendor financing and revolving credit. Not exactly chump change, even if your basic point is correct.

    There are also a number of complexities with electric cars even if they are simpler than internal combustion cars. Not like manufacturing and servicing high quality suspensions is simple. The automotive industry is the most brutally competitive one on the planet and standards are very, very high.

    China has already demonstrated some ability to produce high quality products. Xiaomi and Huawei come to mind. No reason it can't do so in the automotive sector.

    That said it seems like the world is divorcing into two economic systems. A "Western" one and a Chinese one.
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  25. @Dmitry
    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).

    I guess most people here are born around early 1990s. But already current teenagers, are having less drugs and sex than in the past. .

    This is an international phenomena (levels of sex and drugs among teenagers falling in recent years in America, Russia, etc).

    If you want to see this as a good or bad thing, is another question. Moralists should be celebrating the current teenagers - utilitarians, the opposite.

    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).

    Speaking from experience here?

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    Well, I know a quite attractive girl (of 'balkanoid swine' heritage) in engineering who fits this bill. Though on the whole accurate, I suspect that the view of PUAs is very negatively skewed in that the better types of girls avoid such characters.
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  26. @Dmitry
    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).

    I guess most people here are born around early 1990s. But already current teenagers, are having less drugs and sex than in the past. .

    This is an international phenomena (levels of sex and drugs among teenagers falling in recent years in America, Russia, etc).

    If you want to see this as a good or bad thing, is another question. Moralists should be celebrating the current teenagers - utilitarians, the opposite.

    Teens are having less sex (and doing fewer drugs) owing to helicopter parenting, digital entertainment, and so forth. But they’re not then going on to get married (young) and reproduce. Nothing to celebrate here from a moral or civilizational perspective.

    That said it seems that there is a very real reaction against divorce among the triple digit IQ crowd (the proles are simply negrizing and foregoing marriage). Probably because so many of us suffered from it as children.

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    This is the Logos/Gnon in action. I would have hoped use of daycares would be declining but I see little evidence of that, anecdotally. Perhaps because the insanity and negative effects of daycare aren’t as obvious nor as publicized as those of divorce.
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  27. @Dmitry
    Well, this is clowning. But China can be actually serious, that there is an opportunity now for them to become an internationally competitive, not based on subsidiaries, car industry.

    Electric cars industry will have lower barriers to entry, (in a few years, a startup like Tesla could produce them), and years of investment in internal combustion technology and patents, of competitor companies, can be bypassed.

    I wonder if the next Toyota or Hyundai will be from China.

    Tesla has raised $19bn in capital since its founding and arranged for another $9bn in credit via vendor financing and revolving credit. Not exactly chump change, even if your basic point is correct.

    There are also a number of complexities with electric cars even if they are simpler than internal combustion cars. Not like manufacturing and servicing high quality suspensions is simple. The automotive industry is the most brutally competitive one on the planet and standards are very, very high.

    China has already demonstrated some ability to produce high quality products. Xiaomi and Huawei come to mind. No reason it can’t do so in the automotive sector.

    That said it seems like the world is divorcing into two economic systems. A “Western” one and a Chinese one.

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  28. anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nightfox
    Hi everyone, I’m Nightfox. Since this is my very first comment here on Anatoly’s blog, I should introduce myself. I’ve been reading Anatoly’s blog since I was 13 or 14 years old, and it has probably been one of the greatest influences on my life. It’s very rare that you will come across someone who shares 90%+ of your opinions, and Anatoly is one of them. It’s also rare that you will come across such an intelligent, open-minded and diverse commentariat; it’s no surprise that many commentators here have aristocratic descent and elite university connections. My future posts will probably be delayed as I try to research before I write, but I think it’s about time I stopped lurking and began contributing a bit.

    Like our friend Thorfinnsson, I’m dying to meet the AK commentariat in real life, and would be greatly interested helping organize a meetup. If I am not mistaken, there is an email thread already available. I suppose Anatoly can have my email address added to the thread, unless there is some kind of minimum commenting requirement.

    By the way, Anatoly, if you need someone to do translations for you, I happen to be currently available. My Russian is not completely fluent, but since I speak English fluently I can crank out a decent translation with the help of a dictionary. I tend to translate rather literally though.

    It’s also rare that you will come across such an intelligent, open-minded and diverse commentariat; it’s no surprise that many commentators here have aristocratic descent and elite university connections.

    While the former is true, I doubt the latter. Never seen any commenter mention Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. or working in an elite job like an investment bank or management consulting firm. Readership is mostly made up of people who are instinctively contrarian and follow current affairs closely.

    There are at least two entrepreneurs like Thor the factory owner and Philip(?) the trader/business finder.

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  29. @Dmitry
    On PS4 I only have Fifa 2017, Call of duty black ops, Doom, Grand theft Auto 5. I had to leave it in my room and move to another country, a few months after getting it. So I didn't get a chance for any newer ones.

    I try to keep my laptop clean of games because I work on it all day (and night). (So forums like this and YouTube are the only distraction from work).

    Switch should be fine for your purposes with Breath of the Wild, etc, then.

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  30. Yevardian says:
    @Felix Keverich

    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).
     
    Speaking from experience here?

    Well, I know a quite attractive girl (of ‘balkanoid swine’ heritage) in engineering who fits this bill. Though on the whole accurate, I suspect that the view of PUAs is very negatively skewed in that the better types of girls avoid such characters.

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  31. My response to Thorfinnsson regarding Tesla

    http://tinyurl.com/ew9efwfiuges

    no way Tesla goes to zero

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    I went directly short brah.

    Including one position I took out at 297 which sucks but them's the breaks.

    Where's your long position Eugene Fama?

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  32. Twinkie says:
    @iffen
    which finds the NRA to be sellouts (as I do)

    ?
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  33. Twinkie says:
    @Dmitry
    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).

    I guess most people here are born around early 1990s. But already current teenagers, are having less drugs and sex than in the past. .

    This is an international phenomena (levels of sex and drugs among teenagers falling in recent years in America, Russia, etc).

    If you want to see this as a good or bad thing, is another question. Moralists should be celebrating the current teenagers - utilitarians, the opposite.

    “weird girls” = won’t sleep with you.

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  34. @grey enlightenment2
    My response to Thorfinnsson regarding Tesla

    http://tinyurl.com/ew9efwfiuges

    no way Tesla goes to zero

    I went directly short brah.

    Including one position I took out at 297 which sucks but them’s the breaks.

    Where’s your long position Eugene Fama?

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  35. Tejasyets says:

    according to David Becker’s IQ dataset, Belarus has the highest national IQ outside of East Asia, at 101.60

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  36. I am moderately paranoid and especially concerned that the US based far right is (mostly) a psyop. As a result I’ve become alarmed at Russia Insider offering a platform to obvious AstroTurf assets “Andrew Anglin” and now Dick Spencer. What is their their thinking? I thought they were the edgy counterpart to the Duran, but now I fear…well I don’t know what exactly but I don’t like it. Perhaps the goal is simply to improve the perception of Russia amongst US far right people, and for better or worse those two have some cache within that set. Still, I don’t like it. I don’t see how you can be pro Russia while promoting people who would stir up trouble with Russia’s non European but indigenous groups.

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    Richard Spencer has not only come out as a neo-Nazi, he seems to have failed even at that and his cult followers have abandoned him. He is now just David Duke 2.0, the lonely white supremacist "voice" who willingly performs the role of the devil and embraces whatever the media wants to demonize either because he's too narcissistic to give up the attention or because he's an actual regime psy-op.

    When they want to demonize X, they remind us that neo-Nazi leader Richard Spencer is pro-X, and it does very little good for Russia's image in the West that neo-Nazi rallies are proclaiming Russia to be their friend that these people seem to still be getting sympathetic treatment in the Russian media even after outing themselves.

    Unfortunately it seems like Russians are just prone to listening to those foreigners who tell them what they want to hear and Spencer knows what to say about Ukraine and about how small countries are terrible and big countries should just swallow them into spheres of influence. The narrative over here for years now has been that it's World War II again and Russia wants to ally with the Nazis to carve up Europe again. Pro-NATO propagandists don't even have to do anything to paint the picture as Russia does it itself.
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  37. @Thorfinnsson
    Teens are having less sex (and doing fewer drugs) owing to helicopter parenting, digital entertainment, and so forth. But they're not then going on to get married (young) and reproduce. Nothing to celebrate here from a moral or civilizational perspective.

    That said it seems that there is a very real reaction against divorce among the triple digit IQ crowd (the proles are simply negrizing and foregoing marriage). Probably because so many of us suffered from it as children.

    This is the Logos/Gnon in action. I would have hoped use of daycares would be declining but I see little evidence of that, anecdotally. Perhaps because the insanity and negative effects of daycare aren’t as obvious nor as publicized as those of divorce.

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  38. @Twinkie

    * WHITE POWER. Audacious Epigone: Gun ownership rates by race.
     
    I speculate that the “Asian” category here obfuscates big differences among the very different constituent groups. My local diehard pro-gun group, which finds the NRA to be sellouts (as I do) is about 90% white and 10% Asian (mostly Koreans and Vietnamese), with virtually no blacks, Hispanics, and Indians (South Asians).

    Remember the LA Riots shootout video with Korean merchants? They were defending their gun store.

    Indeed. Your Red Chinese and (outside gas station owners) your south Asians will hardly ever own guns. Vietnamese on the other hand are in many ways much more like whites. I recall them being the only non white group to narrowly break for the GOP.

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    Indeed. Your Red Chinese and (outside gas station owners) your south Asians will hardly ever own guns. Vietnamese on the other hand are in many ways much more like whites. I recall them being the only non white group to narrowly break for the GOP.
     
    I repeat myself endlessly.

    Vietnames, Filipinos, and Koreans have the highest assimilation indices in America among major immigrants (except Canadians) as well as vote the most Republican among all Asians. Indians and Chinese have the lowest assimilation indices among Asians (closer to Hispanic indices). Indians also vote overwhelmingly for Democrats.
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  39. Britcucks


    The ‘Eternal Anglo’ meme was not created out of thin air. Anyone knowing anything about the history of SA also knows that the Anglos backstabbed the Boers more than any other. It also solidifies my opinion of the UK as the single worst major Western European country.

    While France and Germany have their problems, would we see a government minister come out like this in any of those countries?

    Tesla

    I’m glad you’re finally coming back to life, Thor, after I posted a series of news of Tesla shorts losing billions and where you were mysteriously silent ;)

    Musk backed away from the private funding because he was told by existing institutional investors, not because there was no money. The SEC investigation will go nowhere. This is also why your “tesla will go bankrupt” bet is yet another money loser, if things go haywire, Musk can always go private because the funding is there. It would also give me a guaranteed sell price at $420 or thereabouts whereas I bought the stocks at $280.

    That said, the problems at Tesla remain what they were for years. Musk is A) overstretched between two very demanding companies and B) he is an extremely ambitious man. He’s going to introduce four new models in the new few years (Tesla Truck, Tesla Pickup, Tesla Model Y and Tesla Roadster). He is also going to try to build a new factory in China, which is now not even needing to share ownership because of the new Chinese rules regarding EVs. If he would just calm down and allow the current pipeline to be optimised it wouldn’t be a problem. But then again, he is Elon Musk, he’s constantly in a hurry. My guess is that he’ll likely go private in the end, get the big cash infusion needed to do all the models/capital buildout and then just burn the costs down and start acting like a normal car company (5% growth instead of insane 50% growth rates).

    TURKEY. After its devaluation, it now has Europe’s third lowest wage after the Ukraine and Moldova.

    Well, do we now use nominal prices when it suits us or do we stick with PPP? Sort of reminds me of Felix using nominal GDP per capita to diss Ukraine but insisting on using PPP for Russia. FWIW, here’s the PPP-adjusted picture.

    The map is still flawed for at least two reasons.

    1. It isn’t normalised for working hours. Poles work close to 2050 annual hours (Russia is similar) but Czechs work 200-250 hours less. So, per hour worked wages in Czechia is higher.
    2. It is based on average instead of median. Countries with lower GINI inequality will do better whereas average wage maps tend to make highly inequal countries (such as Russia) come off as better. This is also true for Poland, but for a lesser extent. Czechia and Slovenia both have lower inequality than Poland.

    But it’s still better than nominal maps.

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    Well, do we now use nominal prices when it suits us or do we stick with PPP?
     
    It was used to illustrate the size of the Turkish devaluation, not to "prove" that Turkish living standards have plummeted. (Why would I have a particular agenda on that score wrt Turkey, anyway?).
    , @Thorfinnsson
    The shorts who lost money were the ones playing the puts. Timing is hard.

    The money to go private is there--now (maybe?). Read the Wall Street Journal article I posted. Silver Lake Partners, Volkswagen AG, and the Saudis were all kicking tires. There was never a formal offer, committed partners, or something for shareholders to vote on. And in financial markets money is there--until it isn't. The telecom bubble is a classic example.

    https://25iq.com/2017/11/11/the-1990s-telecom-bubble-what-can-we-learn/

    Companies being investigated by the SEC cannot raise money from capital markets, which means Tesla is now dependent on banks and vendors to sustain its cash burn. While the investigation might not go anywhere, while it's going on Tesla can't issue new shares or bonds.

    And as for that $420 per share price, apparently "Grimes" (???) got Musk really into weed and he finds the whole 420 thing HILARIOUS: https://www.thestreet.com/markets/azealia-banks-confirms-elon-musk-smokes-weed-14689682

    Have fun being bullish on this dog.

    $TSLAQ 420 blaze it
    , @Kimppis
    How are Ukrainian wages that high anyway!? The country seems like an outlier, although many poor Balkan countries look weird as well. Both Ukraine's nominal and PPP GDP per capita are many times lower than Russia's, for instance. Ukrotriumph? Their living standards aren't really low after all? Or is that map BS?
    , @Felix Keverich
    https://i.imgur.com/93RY1ND.png

    This "PPP-adjusted" map implies that Belarus is more prosperous than Russia, and pretty much on the level of Portugal. However, economic powerhouse Azerbaijan leaves them all in the dust. And Polish wages are almost as high as wages in Britain - a country where they emigrate en mass to work as bartenders.

    But it’s still better than nominal maps.
     
    In what way? It fails to explain economic migration for example.
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  40. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. Additionally, broad sexual experience severely damages a woman's ability to pair bond (not saying players are innocent in this regard either--you develop a problem similar to someone who's eaten too much fine cuisine).

    Mathematically, men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.

    And then there's game theory. If you take a pass someone else will tap that.

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political. It's not surprising that a lot of men who started out as PUAs in the 2000s are now radical reactionaries who would make even many pious Mohammedans blush. Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue. There's a reason for that.

    OK – lots of stuff to unpack here, so…to commence…

    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap.

    It is beyond the biological equation, keep in mind what the blog post stated:

    The globohomo anti-white elite and their institutions want to slut you [women] up to lock you out–out of the future, that is. Choose wisely–civilization depends on it.

    You cannot both place the onus on women to safeguard civilization and concurrently deem them not capable of being involved in the decision making to run society. Men, in a serious patriarchy, recognize that they must put forward the proposal that they are in positions of power precisely to protect women and for their benefit. This cannot happen unless the men prove, through their actions that they are not behaving like; a) predators or b) children in a candy shop. Self-control is a necessary part of masculinity.

    broad sexual experience severely damages a woman’s ability to pair bond

    Correct, which is why men should not contribute to the break down of women that will be future wives and mothers.

    not saying players are innocent in this regard either

    Indeed and you brought up good examples which we will explore later.

    men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.

    In this day and age, they are only more liable to contribute to raising the statistical rates of abortions in society – women are not willing to have the children of hump-and-dump men. And they have the means to ensure they don’t.

    If you take a pass someone else will tap that.

    OK – but two points:
    1) Why do you want to be a contributing factor in the downward spiral of society?
    2) According to the chart, the numbers of partners does have an affect on the later decision-making of the woman. You holding yourself in check could be the factor that determines whether she ends up in the 2-5 category or the 6-10 one – you can make the difference. Remember…”Choose wisely–civilization depends on it.”

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political.

    Yes, ultimately, but you cannot put the cart before the horse.

    Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.

    I agree – and this is the kind of damage that can happen to PUAs. This is not good. Going from one extreme to another is of no help to anyone; better to map out a reasonable path from the get-go instead of setting up a bi-polar approach that will ensure the pendulum keeps swinging from one extreme to another ad infinitum.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue.

    Correct, but these kinds of laws can only be enforced if they already have a wide level of sign-off from the greater society. These laws are meant to force the hands of those exceptions to the rule – you cannot have 80% of society being an exception to the rule.

    Example; some level of alcohol prohibition is enforced in plenty of Muslim countries. Yes there are a few people that skirt the rules and either bribe their way out or get punished, but the majority of the population adheres to the rule because they already consider it a vice – you can handle the exceptions logistically. Compare that with the utter failure of prohibition in the US – even the cops were pissed off they couldn’t drink booze.

    Look, I’m coming from a community that is tackling this stuff head on. We are trying to preserve the our next generation and hold the line (and do it well enough that they will be able to hold the line for at least seven generations or more). I’m also very well connected with plenty of spiritual teachers that share what’s going on in the Muslim community and our points of failure based on counseling hundreds of families.

    One obvious point is in the families that tend to treat their gigolo sons with kid gloves but go ballistic when their girls mess around. Almost every single time, you will lose the girl because they see right through the hypocrisy – nobody respects hypocrisy. There have been plenty of times when I have been able to win over my daughter by pointing out that I don’t have lax expectations for her brothers as opposed to her.

    These are some major issues I’m seeing in the Alt-Right/WN community – you guys need to be able to make this thing more appealing to women by stressing how it is in their best interest. Trust me, women will be on board to police themselves and not waste time with players when you do so:

    But you, as men, need to provide the serious alternative to the players otherwise how are they going to know the difference if you’re just trying to get into their pants just as much as the next guy?

    Peace.

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    PUAs becoming extreme right wingers is not a pendulum swing - it has always been about cruelty and domination, not sex.

    It has been pointed out many times that manipulating the insecurities of women and preying on their weaknesses and fears to get loveless sex based on an artificially crafted presentation of yourself is far less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you're after.

    Yet PUAs are notoriously opposed to paid sex, because it doesn't validate their ability to manipulate and intimidate. Domination is the point. Cruelty is the point.

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.

    Men who gravitate towards PUA - even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology - are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy - but we should also be clear on what kind of men they've become.
    , @The Big Red Scary
    Setting aside the moral and strategic aspect, on which Talha and I agree, there is also the question of arithmetic. Even if somehow or another you convince one-third of women to be paragons of sexual virtue while men to continue their philandering ways, then the average promiscuity coefficient of a woman in the other two-thirds must increase.

    Quoting Wikipedia:

    In mathematics, the pigeonhole principle states that if n items are put into m containers, with n>m, then at least one container must contain more than one item.
     
    No doubt some blogger from the "manosphere" has already come up with a more context-specific name than pigeonhole principle.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    I don't think the onus should be on women. The onus should be on the state (and churches, schools, media, and other major institutions). Women then will police eachother's behavior since women are conformists. Traditionally the people who "slut shame" are other women who don't like the competition.

    Good points otherwise, though the pendulum metaphor isn't right. The PUA movement emerged in response to sexual liberation. Basically men who were simply trying to figure out how to get laid. As a result of that experience they came to see the wisdom in the traditional arrangements that, for instance, your community practices.
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  41. AaronB says:
    @Talha
    OK - lots of stuff to unpack here, so...to commence...

    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap.
     
    It is beyond the biological equation, keep in mind what the blog post stated:

    The globohomo anti-white elite and their institutions want to slut you [women] up to lock you out--out of the future, that is. Choose wisely--civilization depends on it.
     
    You cannot both place the onus on women to safeguard civilization and concurrently deem them not capable of being involved in the decision making to run society. Men, in a serious patriarchy, recognize that they must put forward the proposal that they are in positions of power precisely to protect women and for their benefit. This cannot happen unless the men prove, through their actions that they are not behaving like; a) predators or b) children in a candy shop. Self-control is a necessary part of masculinity.

    broad sexual experience severely damages a woman’s ability to pair bond
     
    Correct, which is why men should not contribute to the break down of women that will be future wives and mothers.

    not saying players are innocent in this regard either
     
    Indeed and you brought up good examples which we will explore later.

    men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.
     
    In this day and age, they are only more liable to contribute to raising the statistical rates of abortions in society - women are not willing to have the children of hump-and-dump men. And they have the means to ensure they don't.

    If you take a pass someone else will tap that.
     
    OK - but two points:
    1) Why do you want to be a contributing factor in the downward spiral of society?
    2) According to the chart, the numbers of partners does have an affect on the later decision-making of the woman. You holding yourself in check could be the factor that determines whether she ends up in the 2-5 category or the 6-10 one - you can make the difference. Remember..."Choose wisely--civilization depends on it."

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political.
     
    Yes, ultimately, but you cannot put the cart before the horse.

    Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.
     
    I agree - and this is the kind of damage that can happen to PUAs. This is not good. Going from one extreme to another is of no help to anyone; better to map out a reasonable path from the get-go instead of setting up a bi-polar approach that will ensure the pendulum keeps swinging from one extreme to another ad infinitum.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue.
     
    Correct, but these kinds of laws can only be enforced if they already have a wide level of sign-off from the greater society. These laws are meant to force the hands of those exceptions to the rule - you cannot have 80% of society being an exception to the rule.

    Example; some level of alcohol prohibition is enforced in plenty of Muslim countries. Yes there are a few people that skirt the rules and either bribe their way out or get punished, but the majority of the population adheres to the rule because they already consider it a vice - you can handle the exceptions logistically. Compare that with the utter failure of prohibition in the US - even the cops were pissed off they couldn't drink booze.

    Look, I'm coming from a community that is tackling this stuff head on. We are trying to preserve the our next generation and hold the line (and do it well enough that they will be able to hold the line for at least seven generations or more). I'm also very well connected with plenty of spiritual teachers that share what's going on in the Muslim community and our points of failure based on counseling hundreds of families.

    One obvious point is in the families that tend to treat their gigolo sons with kid gloves but go ballistic when their girls mess around. Almost every single time, you will lose the girl because they see right through the hypocrisy - nobody respects hypocrisy. There have been plenty of times when I have been able to win over my daughter by pointing out that I don't have lax expectations for her brothers as opposed to her.

    These are some major issues I'm seeing in the Alt-Right/WN community - you guys need to be able to make this thing more appealing to women by stressing how it is in their best interest. Trust me, women will be on board to police themselves and not waste time with players when you do so:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zty8kFyMzDg

    But you, as men, need to provide the serious alternative to the players otherwise how are they going to know the difference if you're just trying to get into their pants just as much as the next guy?

    Peace.

    PUAs becoming extreme right wingers is not a pendulum swing – it has always been about cruelty and domination, not sex.

    It has been pointed out many times that manipulating the insecurities of women and preying on their weaknesses and fears to get loveless sex based on an artificially crafted presentation of yourself is far less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you’re after.

    Yet PUAs are notoriously opposed to paid sex, because it doesn’t validate their ability to manipulate and intimidate. Domination is the point. Cruelty is the point.

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.

    Men who gravitate towards PUA – even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology – are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy – but we should also be clear on what kind of men they’ve become.

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    I would say the key is validation, not so much cruelty. If it was cruelty, you'd see actual violent rape scandals surrounding these guys (not fake "regret rape" or even faker "rape culture" scandals) but that doesn't seem to happen.

    A few generations ago, the cultural ideal was a man who finds a woman to marry and provides and takes care of his family but Western media now paints such men as uncool, pale and stale conservative dolts. Pop media idolizes men who get a lot of female attention and men who grow up immersed in it will grow up believing that failure to bed a lot of women is an invalidation of their manhood. Prostitutes do not help since having to pay for something is the opposite of getting validation.

    There are still religious subcultures that isolate their members from mainstream media and in an Amish community they still have traditional standards - a faithful husband is viewed positively by his community and gets social validation while a man who just tries to seduce women for sex quickly becomes an outcast. If any of the PUA guys had grown up in such a community, they would have very likely just been normal members.

    Modern society has produced a weird class of men. There were always some extremely promiscuous sociopaths but they were men who ignored the social disapproval they received. Now we have the opposite of sociopaths, men who deeply want the approval of society, ending up believing that to get the approval of society they need to be promiscuous.

    , @Bliss

    Men who gravitate towards PUA – even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology – are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy – but we should also be clear on what kind of men they’ve become.
     
    Such men are dangerous psychopathic predators by nature, with zero moral compass. That’s why they are attracted to the “Game”, the far right, organized crime, sadism, gangsterism etc. And no, they do not deserve any sympathy.

    Those who sympathize with evil men betray their own inclinations.
    , @notanon

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.
     
    it's the other way round

    PUA started as a very individualistic reaction to feminism, pro-sex but anti-relationship - young PUA influenced dudes who later got involved with the far-right have been slowly switching to pater familias mode for reasons which should be obvious.

    (trive vs individual)
    , @Daniel Chieh
    This is nonsense. PUA is just an amoral set of observations rather than any life strategy, its no more "evil" than say, hypnosis. As notanon noted, its actually highly individualistic and doesn't really have anything to say about how society should handle women at all: its just about "getting your own" with no regard for anything else.

    People who take that philosophy and propose political solutions for women are actually less selfish in that sense.

    The idea of advocating religion over Game observations as a means of handling loneliness seems ridiculous. Religion took my money. PUA saved my life, arguably.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Dude are you gay?
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  42. @Talha

    COCKS OR KIDS?
     
    The survey makes sense, though I still don't get why the onus is only on the women in society - I assume there are male partners involved when they say they've slept around with male partners. Don't want women sluts walking around - great - stop sleeping around with them. It's not rocket science.

    Peace.

    I think this is a significant error of the manosphere – they profess to want a traditional society, but they are not prepared to make the personal sacrifices to actually create it.

    Hopefully, more orthodox American reactionaries can influence their more wayward dissidents-in-arms.

    https://www.socialmatter.net/2018/03/27/sexual-dynamics-average-partner-numbers-are-gender-identical/

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    This is a great summary of my longer posts. Or even more concise; if you want civilization, men need to learn to keep it in their pants.

    Or, as a quote attributed to Saladin (ra) states:
    "If you want to destroy any nation without war, make adultery and nudity common in the next generation."

    Peace.
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  43. @Dan Bagrov
    I am moderately paranoid and especially concerned that the US based far right is (mostly) a psyop. As a result I’ve become alarmed at Russia Insider offering a platform to obvious AstroTurf assets “Andrew Anglin” and now Dick Spencer. What is their their thinking? I thought they were the edgy counterpart to the Duran, but now I fear...well I don’t know what exactly but I don’t like it. Perhaps the goal is simply to improve the perception of Russia amongst US far right people, and for better or worse those two have some cache within that set. Still, I don’t like it. I don’t see how you can be pro Russia while promoting people who would stir up trouble with Russia’s non European but indigenous groups.

    Richard Spencer has not only come out as a neo-Nazi, he seems to have failed even at that and his cult followers have abandoned him. He is now just David Duke 2.0, the lonely white supremacist “voice” who willingly performs the role of the devil and embraces whatever the media wants to demonize either because he’s too narcissistic to give up the attention or because he’s an actual regime psy-op.

    When they want to demonize X, they remind us that neo-Nazi leader Richard Spencer is pro-X, and it does very little good for Russia’s image in the West that neo-Nazi rallies are proclaiming Russia to be their friend that these people seem to still be getting sympathetic treatment in the Russian media even after outing themselves.

    Unfortunately it seems like Russians are just prone to listening to those foreigners who tell them what they want to hear and Spencer knows what to say about Ukraine and about how small countries are terrible and big countries should just swallow them into spheres of influence. The narrative over here for years now has been that it’s World War II again and Russia wants to ally with the Nazis to carve up Europe again. Pro-NATO propagandists don’t even have to do anything to paint the picture as Russia does it itself.

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  44. OBOR debt trap spreads to Central Asia

    As Beijing bankrolls projects in Central Asia to promote its Belt and Road Initiative, countries in the region are at risk of granting China valuable concessions to ease their heavy debt burdens.

    Turkmenistan faces an economic crisis, with reports leaking from the country of long queues snaking outside of grocery stores, one-month waits for flour and road closures by housewives demanding food.

    [...]

    Neighboring Tajikistan handed over a gold mine to China in April as remuneration for $300 million in funding to build a power plant.

    Kyrgyzstan reportedly has a contract with a state-run Chinese bank for a power plant in the capital of Bishkek that includes a clause giving Beijing control of wide-ranging assets if the country defaults on its repayments. China is also thought to be demanding concessions in negotiations for railway construction funding.

    [...]

    Ukraine and China agreed to $7 billion in joint projects at an intergovernmental commission in late 2017. Construction of highways and grain export bases is progressing.

    “A pro-China faction is quietly rising,” said a high-ranking Ukrainian official, as investment from the U.S. and Europe slows due to a virtual state of war between Kiev and Moscow.

    [...]

    Beijing signed a free trade agreement with Georgia last year and is investing in ports and transportation projects there. The Caucasus republic, along with Ukraine, has a free trade agreement with the EU. Georgia recently opened a railway from Azerbaijan to Turkey that is expected to serve as a vital artery for China’s Belt and Road, connecting China and Central Asia with Eastern Europe while bypassing Russia. China is negotiating a free trade agreement with pro-Western Moldova as well.

    Moscow seems to tolerate China’s growing clout in Russia’s sphere of influence. Some think Moscow prefers China to democratic and economic reforms promoted by the U.S. that emphasize transparency and rule of law. Concern exists that more Chinese money will stall Western reforms in these countries.

    Seems to confirm two things. One, Chinese influnce in CIS is increasing at the expense of Russia’s due to monetary factors and two, their reach will go beyond just Central Asia and will increasingly reach into the Caucasus, Eastern Europe.

    I suppose this is the Chinese way of saying, you don’t have much choice except us, Moscow, so these are the terms. And at any rate, wouldn’t Moscow prefer Beijing in their neighbourhood over Washington?

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    Debt Trap = Neo-Colonialism.

    China is imitating Europe.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/m/haber/152967/french-colonial-tax-still-enforce-for-africa

    When Guinea demanded independence from French colonial rule in 1958, the French unleashed their fury with more than 3,000 leaving the country taking their entire property. In addition, they destroyed anything that couldn't be taken – destroying schools, nurseries, public administration buildings, cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged, animals killed and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned. In effect they were sending a message to all other colonies that the [consequences] for rejecting France would be high.

    The article called attention to an ongoing practice by which former African [colonies] are forced to pay a colonial tax to France – even today. In fact, France continues to thrive on the practice, which extracts approximately 500 billion dollars from African countries each year.

    As Koutonin notes, this outrageous tax deprives African economies of much needed funds, exacerbates debt, and strips their authority over their own natural reserves. But the detriments are more than just economic, as the ills of colonialism manifest in social ways that are equally devastating to the dignity and identity of the African people:
    , @Mitleser
    >China in Central Asia

    https://twitter.com/jc_mittelstadt/status/1033668879808163842
    , @Felix Keverich
    I disagree with much of this:

    “A pro-China faction is quietly rising,” said a high-ranking Ukrainian official, as investment from the U.S. and Europe slows due to a virtual state of war between Kiev and Moscow.
     
    Russia remains the no.1 foreign investor in the Ukraine. Ukrainian regime is trying to blame its atrocious business climate on "aggression" from Russia, but in reality Russia is its chief financial benefactor.

    Georgia recently opened a railway from Azerbaijan to Turkey that is expected to serve as a vital artery for China’s Belt and Road, connecting China and Central Asia with Eastern Europe while bypassing Russia.
     
    What is the point building "Belt Road", that will run through the Turkmen desert and Caucasian mountains? Goods would have to be transported by railroad till Caspian sea, then loaded onto ships to reach Azerbaijan, then loaded onto rail again. This is going to increase transportation costs, produce delays. With no significant economic centers along this route, and lots of instability in the region the whole endeavor just looks pointless to me. For Chinese businessmen it will be both cheaper and safer to just use the traditional sea route.

    Kazakhstan-Russia-Belarus-Poland is what economically viable "Belt Road" could look like, transporting goods exclusively by rail. But political conflict between Russia and the West is the main issue here.

    Chinese influnce in CIS is increasing at the expense of Russia’s due to monetary factors. And at any rate, wouldn’t Moscow prefer Beijing in their neighbourhood over Washington?
     
    China's expansion does not threaten Russia's military dominance of the region. We just made a deal with Caspian littoral states, that ruled out Chinese and American military presence in the region.

    We cannot forbid China from investing in Kazakhstan, but we have effectively forbidden China's bases there. Contrast it with "European integration" in ex-Communist Europe, where joining NATO alliance is arguably the first necessary step in such "integration".
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  45. @AaronB
    PUAs becoming extreme right wingers is not a pendulum swing - it has always been about cruelty and domination, not sex.

    It has been pointed out many times that manipulating the insecurities of women and preying on their weaknesses and fears to get loveless sex based on an artificially crafted presentation of yourself is far less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you're after.

    Yet PUAs are notoriously opposed to paid sex, because it doesn't validate their ability to manipulate and intimidate. Domination is the point. Cruelty is the point.

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.

    Men who gravitate towards PUA - even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology - are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy - but we should also be clear on what kind of men they've become.

    I would say the key is validation, not so much cruelty. If it was cruelty, you’d see actual violent rape scandals surrounding these guys (not fake “regret rape” or even faker “rape culture” scandals) but that doesn’t seem to happen.

    A few generations ago, the cultural ideal was a man who finds a woman to marry and provides and takes care of his family but Western media now paints such men as uncool, pale and stale conservative dolts. Pop media idolizes men who get a lot of female attention and men who grow up immersed in it will grow up believing that failure to bed a lot of women is an invalidation of their manhood. Prostitutes do not help since having to pay for something is the opposite of getting validation.

    There are still religious subcultures that isolate their members from mainstream media and in an Amish community they still have traditional standards – a faithful husband is viewed positively by his community and gets social validation while a man who just tries to seduce women for sex quickly becomes an outcast. If any of the PUA guys had grown up in such a community, they would have very likely just been normal members.

    Modern society has produced a weird class of men. There were always some extremely promiscuous sociopaths but they were men who ignored the social disapproval they received. Now we have the opposite of sociopaths, men who deeply want the approval of society, ending up believing that to get the approval of society they need to be promiscuous.

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    I largely agree, but I do think simple cruelty and power over others plays a significant role in their motivations for many, although domination and validation - and isn't domination always about validation really? - is the primary factor for most.

    What disturbs me is that sociopathic behavior is gradually becoming mainstreamed - lots of tv shows glorify it, breaking bad, house of cards, sneaky Pete, etc.

    I know that sociopaths are supposed to be unconcerned with social approval, but in their own way I think they are people obsessed with it - otherwise, they would not care do much about status, wealth, and power. These things have no intrinsic value - they are primarily instruments of social approval.

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  46. Bliss says:
    @AaronB
    PUAs becoming extreme right wingers is not a pendulum swing - it has always been about cruelty and domination, not sex.

    It has been pointed out many times that manipulating the insecurities of women and preying on their weaknesses and fears to get loveless sex based on an artificially crafted presentation of yourself is far less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you're after.

    Yet PUAs are notoriously opposed to paid sex, because it doesn't validate their ability to manipulate and intimidate. Domination is the point. Cruelty is the point.

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.

    Men who gravitate towards PUA - even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology - are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy - but we should also be clear on what kind of men they've become.

    Men who gravitate towards PUA – even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology – are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy – but we should also be clear on what kind of men they’ve become.

    Such men are dangerous psychopathic predators by nature, with zero moral compass. That’s why they are attracted to the “Game”, the far right, organized crime, sadism, gangsterism etc. And no, they do not deserve any sympathy.

    Those who sympathize with evil men betray their own inclinations.

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    We should have sympathy for the broken.
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  47. @Polish Perspective

    Britcucks
     
    https://i.imgur.com/LcM85wB.jpg

    The 'Eternal Anglo' meme was not created out of thin air. Anyone knowing anything about the history of SA also knows that the Anglos backstabbed the Boers more than any other. It also solidifies my opinion of the UK as the single worst major Western European country.

    While France and Germany have their problems, would we see a government minister come out like this in any of those countries?

    https://i.imgur.com/XhiijnW.jpg


    Tesla
     
    I'm glad you're finally coming back to life, Thor, after I posted a series of news of Tesla shorts losing billions and where you were mysteriously silent ;)

    Musk backed away from the private funding because he was told by existing institutional investors, not because there was no money. The SEC investigation will go nowhere. This is also why your "tesla will go bankrupt" bet is yet another money loser, if things go haywire, Musk can always go private because the funding is there. It would also give me a guaranteed sell price at $420 or thereabouts whereas I bought the stocks at $280.

    That said, the problems at Tesla remain what they were for years. Musk is A) overstretched between two very demanding companies and B) he is an extremely ambitious man. He's going to introduce four new models in the new few years (Tesla Truck, Tesla Pickup, Tesla Model Y and Tesla Roadster). He is also going to try to build a new factory in China, which is now not even needing to share ownership because of the new Chinese rules regarding EVs. If he would just calm down and allow the current pipeline to be optimised it wouldn't be a problem. But then again, he is Elon Musk, he's constantly in a hurry. My guess is that he'll likely go private in the end, get the big cash infusion needed to do all the models/capital buildout and then just burn the costs down and start acting like a normal car company (5% growth instead of insane 50% growth rates).


    TURKEY. After its devaluation, it now has Europe’s third lowest wage after the Ukraine and Moldova.
     
    Well, do we now use nominal prices when it suits us or do we stick with PPP? Sort of reminds me of Felix using nominal GDP per capita to diss Ukraine but insisting on using PPP for Russia. FWIW, here's the PPP-adjusted picture.

    https://i.imgur.com/93RY1ND.png

    The map is still flawed for at least two reasons.

    1. It isn't normalised for working hours. Poles work close to 2050 annual hours (Russia is similar) but Czechs work 200-250 hours less. So, per hour worked wages in Czechia is higher.
    2. It is based on average instead of median. Countries with lower GINI inequality will do better whereas average wage maps tend to make highly inequal countries (such as Russia) come off as better. This is also true for Poland, but for a lesser extent. Czechia and Slovenia both have lower inequality than Poland.

    But it's still better than nominal maps.

    Well, do we now use nominal prices when it suits us or do we stick with PPP?

    It was used to illustrate the size of the Turkish devaluation, not to “prove” that Turkish living standards have plummeted. (Why would I have a particular agenda on that score wrt Turkey, anyway?).

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  48. Bliss says:
    @Polish Perspective
    OBOR debt trap spreads to Central Asia

    As Beijing bankrolls projects in Central Asia to promote its Belt and Road Initiative, countries in the region are at risk of granting China valuable concessions to ease their heavy debt burdens.

    Turkmenistan faces an economic crisis, with reports leaking from the country of long queues snaking outside of grocery stores, one-month waits for flour and road closures by housewives demanding food.

    [...]

    Neighboring Tajikistan handed over a gold mine to China in April as remuneration for $300 million in funding to build a power plant.

    Kyrgyzstan reportedly has a contract with a state-run Chinese bank for a power plant in the capital of Bishkek that includes a clause giving Beijing control of wide-ranging assets if the country defaults on its repayments. China is also thought to be demanding concessions in negotiations for railway construction funding.

    [...]

    Ukraine and China agreed to $7 billion in joint projects at an intergovernmental commission in late 2017. Construction of highways and grain export bases is progressing.

    "A pro-China faction is quietly rising," said a high-ranking Ukrainian official, as investment from the U.S. and Europe slows due to a virtual state of war between Kiev and Moscow.

    [...]

    Beijing signed a free trade agreement with Georgia last year and is investing in ports and transportation projects there. The Caucasus republic, along with Ukraine, has a free trade agreement with the EU. Georgia recently opened a railway from Azerbaijan to Turkey that is expected to serve as a vital artery for China's Belt and Road, connecting China and Central Asia with Eastern Europe while bypassing Russia. China is negotiating a free trade agreement with pro-Western Moldova as well.

    Moscow seems to tolerate China's growing clout in Russia's sphere of influence. Some think Moscow prefers China to democratic and economic reforms promoted by the U.S. that emphasize transparency and rule of law. Concern exists that more Chinese money will stall Western reforms in these countries.


     

    Seems to confirm two things. One, Chinese influnce in CIS is increasing at the expense of Russia's due to monetary factors and two, their reach will go beyond just Central Asia and will increasingly reach into the Caucasus, Eastern Europe.

    I suppose this is the Chinese way of saying, you don't have much choice except us, Moscow, so these are the terms. And at any rate, wouldn't Moscow prefer Beijing in their neighbourhood over Washington?

    Debt Trap = Neo-Colonialism.

    China is imitating Europe.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/m/haber/152967/french-colonial-tax-still-enforce-for-africa

    When Guinea demanded independence from French colonial rule in 1958, the French unleashed their fury with more than 3,000 leaving the country taking their entire property. In addition, they destroyed anything that couldn’t be taken – destroying schools, nurseries, public administration buildings, cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged, animals killed and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned. In effect they were sending a message to all other colonies that the [consequences] for rejecting France would be high.

    The article called attention to an ongoing practice by which former African [colonies] are forced to pay a colonial tax to France – even today. In fact, France continues to thrive on the practice, which extracts approximately 500 billion dollars from African countries each year.

    As Koutonin notes, this outrageous tax deprives African economies of much needed funds, exacerbates debt, and strips their authority over their own natural reserves. But the detriments are more than just economic, as the ills of colonialism manifest in social ways that are equally devastating to the dignity and identity of the African people:

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    500 billion to screw all the white women you want? Hmm.
    , @DFH
    Poor little Africans, being exploited by Europeans giving them hundreds of billions of dollars in debt relief
    , @Pericles
    Perhaps something to ponder for South Africa.

    As of January 2014, 14 african countries are obliged by France, through a colonial pact, to put 85% of their foreign reserve into France central bank under French minister of Finance control.They are effectively putting in 500 Billion dollars every year to the French treasury.

     

    That hardly means they pay $500bn per year though. It's probably a net good that France manages their currency accounts rather than Best Bank of Togo or whatever.
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  49. @Felix Keverich

    RETRO. That old Lada-like electric car? Just a publicity stunt by Kalashnikov https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/car-kalashnikov-300x196.jpg
     
    Actually, it looks like Moskvich:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/AZLK-2140_%22Moskvich%22_%281%2C5L%29_%28front_view%29.jpg/250px-AZLK-2140_%22Moskvich%22_%281%2C5L%29_%28front_view%29.jpg

    Really weird design choice.

    I also thought it looked like a Moskvich. A car with even lower prestige than a Dacia. Still better than a Zaporozhets, though. I’m not sure about the Trabant. The Trabant was definitely worse than the Moskvich, at least on paper, but probably way more reliable, so most people probably preferred the Trabant. A Wartburg was both better and more reliable than the Moskvich, so had higher prestige.

    But the best car available for most customers in communist Hungary was the Lada, especially in my childhood the Lada 2107. The best communist car, designed by the Italians. The Volga was only used by lower officialdom, so doesn’t count. The ZIL limousines were shunned by higher level officials, who preferred Mercedes-Benz.

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    Volgas where the absolute worst from what I recall from friends who had them, though again they were quite old by that point. Dacias were crappy cars no doubt, but fairly reliable.
    , @Felix Keverich
    What a life you had! :)
    A surprising amount of Hungarians feel nostalgic for it.
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

    In the meantime Putin announces his concessions on pension reform:
    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/putin-announces-concessions-retirement-age-hike-62702

    Putin proposed on Wednesday to lower the increase in the pension age for women from 63 to 60 years, while keeping the proposed increase for men at 65 years.

    “There is a special, careful attitude toward women in our country,” Putin said in a televised address. “That’s why I think we need to reduce the proposed increase in the retirement age for women from 8 to 5 years.”
     
    The main argument I heard against pension reform is that Russian men (life expectancy 67) won't live till the new retirement age, so naturally, we are lowering it for women (life expectancy 77), not men.
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  50. @Dmitry
    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).

    I guess most people here are born around early 1990s. But already current teenagers, are having less drugs and sex than in the past. .

    This is an international phenomena (levels of sex and drugs among teenagers falling in recent years in America, Russia, etc).

    If you want to see this as a good or bad thing, is another question. Moralists should be celebrating the current teenagers - utilitarians, the opposite.

    There are actually a lot of weird girls around who are virgins in their early 20s (especially if in computer science courses).

    I’ve been observing nerdy students (both men and women) for a number of years, both in various western countries and now in Russia. While I don’t enquire about their sexual habits, I suspect that most of them practice serial monogamy punctuated by periods of involuntary celibacy.

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  51. @Talha
    OK - lots of stuff to unpack here, so...to commence...

    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap.
     
    It is beyond the biological equation, keep in mind what the blog post stated:

    The globohomo anti-white elite and their institutions want to slut you [women] up to lock you out--out of the future, that is. Choose wisely--civilization depends on it.
     
    You cannot both place the onus on women to safeguard civilization and concurrently deem them not capable of being involved in the decision making to run society. Men, in a serious patriarchy, recognize that they must put forward the proposal that they are in positions of power precisely to protect women and for their benefit. This cannot happen unless the men prove, through their actions that they are not behaving like; a) predators or b) children in a candy shop. Self-control is a necessary part of masculinity.

    broad sexual experience severely damages a woman’s ability to pair bond
     
    Correct, which is why men should not contribute to the break down of women that will be future wives and mothers.

    not saying players are innocent in this regard either
     
    Indeed and you brought up good examples which we will explore later.

    men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.
     
    In this day and age, they are only more liable to contribute to raising the statistical rates of abortions in society - women are not willing to have the children of hump-and-dump men. And they have the means to ensure they don't.

    If you take a pass someone else will tap that.
     
    OK - but two points:
    1) Why do you want to be a contributing factor in the downward spiral of society?
    2) According to the chart, the numbers of partners does have an affect on the later decision-making of the woman. You holding yourself in check could be the factor that determines whether she ends up in the 2-5 category or the 6-10 one - you can make the difference. Remember..."Choose wisely--civilization depends on it."

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political.
     
    Yes, ultimately, but you cannot put the cart before the horse.

    Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.
     
    I agree - and this is the kind of damage that can happen to PUAs. This is not good. Going from one extreme to another is of no help to anyone; better to map out a reasonable path from the get-go instead of setting up a bi-polar approach that will ensure the pendulum keeps swinging from one extreme to another ad infinitum.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue.
     
    Correct, but these kinds of laws can only be enforced if they already have a wide level of sign-off from the greater society. These laws are meant to force the hands of those exceptions to the rule - you cannot have 80% of society being an exception to the rule.

    Example; some level of alcohol prohibition is enforced in plenty of Muslim countries. Yes there are a few people that skirt the rules and either bribe their way out or get punished, but the majority of the population adheres to the rule because they already consider it a vice - you can handle the exceptions logistically. Compare that with the utter failure of prohibition in the US - even the cops were pissed off they couldn't drink booze.

    Look, I'm coming from a community that is tackling this stuff head on. We are trying to preserve the our next generation and hold the line (and do it well enough that they will be able to hold the line for at least seven generations or more). I'm also very well connected with plenty of spiritual teachers that share what's going on in the Muslim community and our points of failure based on counseling hundreds of families.

    One obvious point is in the families that tend to treat their gigolo sons with kid gloves but go ballistic when their girls mess around. Almost every single time, you will lose the girl because they see right through the hypocrisy - nobody respects hypocrisy. There have been plenty of times when I have been able to win over my daughter by pointing out that I don't have lax expectations for her brothers as opposed to her.

    These are some major issues I'm seeing in the Alt-Right/WN community - you guys need to be able to make this thing more appealing to women by stressing how it is in their best interest. Trust me, women will be on board to police themselves and not waste time with players when you do so:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zty8kFyMzDg

    But you, as men, need to provide the serious alternative to the players otherwise how are they going to know the difference if you're just trying to get into their pants just as much as the next guy?

    Peace.

    Setting aside the moral and strategic aspect, on which Talha and I agree, there is also the question of arithmetic. Even if somehow or another you convince one-third of women to be paragons of sexual virtue while men to continue their philandering ways, then the average promiscuity coefficient of a woman in the other two-thirds must increase.

    Quoting Wikipedia:

    In mathematics, the pigeonhole principle states that if n items are put into m containers, with n>m, then at least one container must contain more than one item.

    No doubt some blogger from the “manosphere” has already come up with a more context-specific name than pigeonhole principle.

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  52. Mitleser says:
    @Polish Perspective
    OBOR debt trap spreads to Central Asia

    As Beijing bankrolls projects in Central Asia to promote its Belt and Road Initiative, countries in the region are at risk of granting China valuable concessions to ease their heavy debt burdens.

    Turkmenistan faces an economic crisis, with reports leaking from the country of long queues snaking outside of grocery stores, one-month waits for flour and road closures by housewives demanding food.

    [...]

    Neighboring Tajikistan handed over a gold mine to China in April as remuneration for $300 million in funding to build a power plant.

    Kyrgyzstan reportedly has a contract with a state-run Chinese bank for a power plant in the capital of Bishkek that includes a clause giving Beijing control of wide-ranging assets if the country defaults on its repayments. China is also thought to be demanding concessions in negotiations for railway construction funding.

    [...]

    Ukraine and China agreed to $7 billion in joint projects at an intergovernmental commission in late 2017. Construction of highways and grain export bases is progressing.

    "A pro-China faction is quietly rising," said a high-ranking Ukrainian official, as investment from the U.S. and Europe slows due to a virtual state of war between Kiev and Moscow.

    [...]

    Beijing signed a free trade agreement with Georgia last year and is investing in ports and transportation projects there. The Caucasus republic, along with Ukraine, has a free trade agreement with the EU. Georgia recently opened a railway from Azerbaijan to Turkey that is expected to serve as a vital artery for China's Belt and Road, connecting China and Central Asia with Eastern Europe while bypassing Russia. China is negotiating a free trade agreement with pro-Western Moldova as well.

    Moscow seems to tolerate China's growing clout in Russia's sphere of influence. Some think Moscow prefers China to democratic and economic reforms promoted by the U.S. that emphasize transparency and rule of law. Concern exists that more Chinese money will stall Western reforms in these countries.


     

    Seems to confirm two things. One, Chinese influnce in CIS is increasing at the expense of Russia's due to monetary factors and two, their reach will go beyond just Central Asia and will increasingly reach into the Caucasus, Eastern Europe.

    I suppose this is the Chinese way of saying, you don't have much choice except us, Moscow, so these are the terms. And at any rate, wouldn't Moscow prefer Beijing in their neighbourhood over Washington?

    >China in Central Asia

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  53. Yevardian says:
    @reiner Tor
    I also thought it looked like a Moskvich. A car with even lower prestige than a Dacia. Still better than a Zaporozhets, though. I’m not sure about the Trabant. The Trabant was definitely worse than the Moskvich, at least on paper, but probably way more reliable, so most people probably preferred the Trabant. A Wartburg was both better and more reliable than the Moskvich, so had higher prestige.

    But the best car available for most customers in communist Hungary was the Lada, especially in my childhood the Lada 2107. The best communist car, designed by the Italians. The Volga was only used by lower officialdom, so doesn’t count. The ZIL limousines were shunned by higher level officials, who preferred Mercedes-Benz.

    Volgas where the absolute worst from what I recall from friends who had them, though again they were quite old by that point. Dacias were crappy cars no doubt, but fairly reliable.

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    In Hungary Dacias had a bad reputation, they were considered unreliable. Altogether they weren’t that bad (it was basically an older Renault model), and I think in Hungary their reputation was worse than deserved due to crappy support (spare parts were difficult to find, etc.), which I think had something to do with Ceausescu’s constantly worsening relations with Hungary. There were also rumors that Romania kept sending the worst quality products to Hungary (probably a general problem of COMECON trade, where the best quality products went to “capitalist exports” where they received hard currency; then to the domestic market where it was politically the most advantageous to the regime; and the worst was reserved for other COMECON countries), but again, it might have been made worse by politics.
    , @reiner Tor
    I’ve only sat in a Volga once, when the driver of a director of the company where my dad worked did a favor for my dad and transported me and my brother for a short distance. It felt extremely prestigious and big, though it felt much wider than long, since I think the passenger cabin wasn’t very long relative to the length of the car. I guess adults didn’t find it so very comfortable. It also must’ve been difficult to drive and park due to its size.

    But to be honest, even West German or Italian or French cars of the era were often small, uncomfortable and crappy. Still less crappy than Eastern Bloc cars.
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  54. @reiner Tor
    I also thought it looked like a Moskvich. A car with even lower prestige than a Dacia. Still better than a Zaporozhets, though. I’m not sure about the Trabant. The Trabant was definitely worse than the Moskvich, at least on paper, but probably way more reliable, so most people probably preferred the Trabant. A Wartburg was both better and more reliable than the Moskvich, so had higher prestige.

    But the best car available for most customers in communist Hungary was the Lada, especially in my childhood the Lada 2107. The best communist car, designed by the Italians. The Volga was only used by lower officialdom, so doesn’t count. The ZIL limousines were shunned by higher level officials, who preferred Mercedes-Benz.

    What a life you had! :)
    A surprising amount of Hungarians feel nostalgic for it.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

    In the meantime Putin announces his concessions on pension reform:

    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/putin-announces-concessions-retirement-age-hike-62702

    Putin proposed on Wednesday to lower the increase in the pension age for women from 63 to 60 years, while keeping the proposed increase for men at 65 years.

    “There is a special, careful attitude toward women in our country,” Putin said in a televised address. “That’s why I think we need to reduce the proposed increase in the retirement age for women from 8 to 5 years.”

    The main argument I heard against pension reform is that Russian men (life expectancy 67) won’t live till the new retirement age, so naturally, we are lowering it for women (life expectancy 77), not men.

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    It would make more sense (both fairer and more efficient) to fully equalize the retirement age for both sexes, while cutting off a year for women for every child they have up to some rational limit like 5 or 6.

    Putin did propose the latter, but structured in a bizarre way. There will be a year cut off for every child that women have above two, while the retirement age will remain 50 years for those with 5 or more children.

    Pretty much the only people to have such families are various lower IQ ethnic minorities. This means that we might now get the spectacle of a Russian man in Irkutsk with an LE of 65 retiring at 65, while a Chechen woman with an LE of 80 gets to retire at 50.
    , @reiner Tor

    A surprising amount of Hungarians feel nostalgic for it.
     
    There are two things which were better: proles had a better life (only recently did life get better for them due to the large scale emigration to the EU and the resulting labor shortage), and there was a general sense of continuity: you were expected to live your life out in Hungary, with things worse than in Western Europe but better than our neighbors (and constantly improving), and you didn’t expect to see your children leave the country. Just to give an example of how life was better, meat consumption was at its all time high in the 1970s.

    To put it in perspective, when I was a child, most old people were quite nostalgic for the previous Horthy era, which was probably even better than the communist system in many ways, and not much worse even for proles. It must be kept in mind that a lot of the improvements is coming from technological progress and not the switch to capitalism. (The same was true back then.) Of course, not much of the innovation happened in communist countries, and when it did, it was often not implemented.
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  55. @Yevardian
    Volgas where the absolute worst from what I recall from friends who had them, though again they were quite old by that point. Dacias were crappy cars no doubt, but fairly reliable.

    In Hungary Dacias had a bad reputation, they were considered unreliable. Altogether they weren’t that bad (it was basically an older Renault model), and I think in Hungary their reputation was worse than deserved due to crappy support (spare parts were difficult to find, etc.), which I think had something to do with Ceausescu’s constantly worsening relations with Hungary. There were also rumors that Romania kept sending the worst quality products to Hungary (probably a general problem of COMECON trade, where the best quality products went to “capitalist exports” where they received hard currency; then to the domestic market where it was politically the most advantageous to the regime; and the worst was reserved for other COMECON countries), but again, it might have been made worse by politics.

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  56. @Felix Keverich
    What a life you had! :)
    A surprising amount of Hungarians feel nostalgic for it.
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

    In the meantime Putin announces his concessions on pension reform:
    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/putin-announces-concessions-retirement-age-hike-62702

    Putin proposed on Wednesday to lower the increase in the pension age for women from 63 to 60 years, while keeping the proposed increase for men at 65 years.

    “There is a special, careful attitude toward women in our country,” Putin said in a televised address. “That’s why I think we need to reduce the proposed increase in the retirement age for women from 8 to 5 years.”
     
    The main argument I heard against pension reform is that Russian men (life expectancy 67) won't live till the new retirement age, so naturally, we are lowering it for women (life expectancy 77), not men.

    It would make more sense (both fairer and more efficient) to fully equalize the retirement age for both sexes, while cutting off a year for women for every child they have up to some rational limit like 5 or 6.

    Putin did propose the latter, but structured in a bizarre way. There will be a year cut off for every child that women have above two, while the retirement age will remain 50 years for those with 5 or more children.

    Pretty much the only people to have such families are various lower IQ ethnic minorities. This means that we might now get the spectacle of a Russian man in Irkutsk with an LE of 65 retiring at 65, while a Chechen woman with an LE of 80 gets to retire at 50.

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    It would make more sense (both fairer and more efficient) to fully equalize the retirement age for both sexes, while cutting off a year for women for every child they have up to some rational limit like 5 or 6.
     
    This seems like an odd way to stimulate birthrate: you think that women will be more enthusiastic about having one extra kid, knowing they'll be able to retire one year early? Women IRL do not calculate like that.

    Common sense suggests that retirement age should correspond to life expectancy for both sexes (i.e. it should be lower for men in Russia), but the most efficient way to reform the pension system would be to abolish it altogether.
    , @Anon
    Christcuck

    Make a post on the link between female education and the fertility crisis

    https://www.nap.edu/read/6272/chapter/3#25
    http://blogs.worldbank.org/health/female-education-and-childbearing-closer-look-data

    In Ethiopia, a woman who's been to school has 1.3 children versus 5+
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  57. @Yevardian
    Volgas where the absolute worst from what I recall from friends who had them, though again they were quite old by that point. Dacias were crappy cars no doubt, but fairly reliable.

    I’ve only sat in a Volga once, when the driver of a director of the company where my dad worked did a favor for my dad and transported me and my brother for a short distance. It felt extremely prestigious and big, though it felt much wider than long, since I think the passenger cabin wasn’t very long relative to the length of the car. I guess adults didn’t find it so very comfortable. It also must’ve been difficult to drive and park due to its size.

    But to be honest, even West German or Italian or French cars of the era were often small, uncomfortable and crappy. Still less crappy than Eastern Bloc cars.

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    I took one as a taxi once, it felt like a bit of a silly car, trying to be something it wasn't; a supposed luxury car with cloth seats, a ridiculously long throw on the gearbox, leaf springs and a 4pot engine. They were quite roomy though and the older versions had nice 50s-60s American styling. The zhigulis and zapos at least weren't pretending to be anything other than basic. Having said that, there was probably a period from the mid 70s to the late 80s where they were at least snapping at the heels of American cars in terms of performance, thanks to smog controls, slushy suspensions and autoboxes. I don't think any of the commie cars, with the exception of the Trabant were terrible, they just stayed in production for far too long.
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  58. @Felix Keverich
    What a life you had! :)
    A surprising amount of Hungarians feel nostalgic for it.
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/04/28/hungary-better-off-under-communism/

    In the meantime Putin announces his concessions on pension reform:
    https://themoscowtimes.com/news/putin-announces-concessions-retirement-age-hike-62702

    Putin proposed on Wednesday to lower the increase in the pension age for women from 63 to 60 years, while keeping the proposed increase for men at 65 years.

    “There is a special, careful attitude toward women in our country,” Putin said in a televised address. “That’s why I think we need to reduce the proposed increase in the retirement age for women from 8 to 5 years.”
     
    The main argument I heard against pension reform is that Russian men (life expectancy 67) won't live till the new retirement age, so naturally, we are lowering it for women (life expectancy 77), not men.

    A surprising amount of Hungarians feel nostalgic for it.

    There are two things which were better: proles had a better life (only recently did life get better for them due to the large scale emigration to the EU and the resulting labor shortage), and there was a general sense of continuity: you were expected to live your life out in Hungary, with things worse than in Western Europe but better than our neighbors (and constantly improving), and you didn’t expect to see your children leave the country. Just to give an example of how life was better, meat consumption was at its all time high in the 1970s.

    To put it in perspective, when I was a child, most old people were quite nostalgic for the previous Horthy era, which was probably even better than the communist system in many ways, and not much worse even for proles. It must be kept in mind that a lot of the improvements is coming from technological progress and not the switch to capitalism. (The same was true back then.) Of course, not much of the innovation happened in communist countries, and when it did, it was often not implemented.

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    Here is some Hungarian nostalgia for you by a British writer who grew up in Hungary. It was meant to be a teaser for her book Goulash and Solidarity, which never found a publisher because (or so says her husband, the occasional RT columnist Neil Clark) UK publishers had no interest in accounts that showed any positive sides of life behind the Iron Curtain.

    Oppressive and grey? No, growing up under communism was the happiest time of my life

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221064/Oppressive-grey-No-growing-communism-happiest-time-life.html
    , @Yevardian
    It's the same (well actually, quite a lot worse) in Romania or Armenia today. Whole villages and even many small towns wholly abandoned by anyone under 40. Living standards might be better on the whole, but seeing such things across the country gives very pessimistic feelings about the future.
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  59. @Polish Perspective
    OBOR debt trap spreads to Central Asia

    As Beijing bankrolls projects in Central Asia to promote its Belt and Road Initiative, countries in the region are at risk of granting China valuable concessions to ease their heavy debt burdens.

    Turkmenistan faces an economic crisis, with reports leaking from the country of long queues snaking outside of grocery stores, one-month waits for flour and road closures by housewives demanding food.

    [...]

    Neighboring Tajikistan handed over a gold mine to China in April as remuneration for $300 million in funding to build a power plant.

    Kyrgyzstan reportedly has a contract with a state-run Chinese bank for a power plant in the capital of Bishkek that includes a clause giving Beijing control of wide-ranging assets if the country defaults on its repayments. China is also thought to be demanding concessions in negotiations for railway construction funding.

    [...]

    Ukraine and China agreed to $7 billion in joint projects at an intergovernmental commission in late 2017. Construction of highways and grain export bases is progressing.

    "A pro-China faction is quietly rising," said a high-ranking Ukrainian official, as investment from the U.S. and Europe slows due to a virtual state of war between Kiev and Moscow.

    [...]

    Beijing signed a free trade agreement with Georgia last year and is investing in ports and transportation projects there. The Caucasus republic, along with Ukraine, has a free trade agreement with the EU. Georgia recently opened a railway from Azerbaijan to Turkey that is expected to serve as a vital artery for China's Belt and Road, connecting China and Central Asia with Eastern Europe while bypassing Russia. China is negotiating a free trade agreement with pro-Western Moldova as well.

    Moscow seems to tolerate China's growing clout in Russia's sphere of influence. Some think Moscow prefers China to democratic and economic reforms promoted by the U.S. that emphasize transparency and rule of law. Concern exists that more Chinese money will stall Western reforms in these countries.


     

    Seems to confirm two things. One, Chinese influnce in CIS is increasing at the expense of Russia's due to monetary factors and two, their reach will go beyond just Central Asia and will increasingly reach into the Caucasus, Eastern Europe.

    I suppose this is the Chinese way of saying, you don't have much choice except us, Moscow, so these are the terms. And at any rate, wouldn't Moscow prefer Beijing in their neighbourhood over Washington?

    I disagree with much of this:

    “A pro-China faction is quietly rising,” said a high-ranking Ukrainian official, as investment from the U.S. and Europe slows due to a virtual state of war between Kiev and Moscow.

    Russia remains the no.1 foreign investor in the Ukraine. Ukrainian regime is trying to blame its atrocious business climate on “aggression” from Russia, but in reality Russia is its chief financial benefactor.

    Georgia recently opened a railway from Azerbaijan to Turkey that is expected to serve as a vital artery for China’s Belt and Road, connecting China and Central Asia with Eastern Europe while bypassing Russia.

    What is the point building “Belt Road”, that will run through the Turkmen desert and Caucasian mountains? Goods would have to be transported by railroad till Caspian sea, then loaded onto ships to reach Azerbaijan, then loaded onto rail again. This is going to increase transportation costs, produce delays. With no significant economic centers along this route, and lots of instability in the region the whole endeavor just looks pointless to me. For Chinese businessmen it will be both cheaper and safer to just use the traditional sea route.

    Kazakhstan-Russia-Belarus-Poland is what economically viable “Belt Road” could look like, transporting goods exclusively by rail. But political conflict between Russia and the West is the main issue here.

    Chinese influnce in CIS is increasing at the expense of Russia’s due to monetary factors. And at any rate, wouldn’t Moscow prefer Beijing in their neighbourhood over Washington?

    China’s expansion does not threaten Russia’s military dominance of the region. We just made a deal with Caspian littoral states, that ruled out Chinese and American military presence in the region.

    We cannot forbid China from investing in Kazakhstan, but we have effectively forbidden China’s bases there. Contrast it with “European integration” in ex-Communist Europe, where joining NATO alliance is arguably the first necessary step in such “integration”.

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  60. @Thorfinnsson
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlJSnG8U4AA4unG.jpg

    Can the Magyar Miracle comment on this? Seems worrying for Hungary.

    I was unaware of that, and frankly find it a bit surprising in light of the fact that HUF interest rates have been basically zero for several years now. Is debt owed by Hungarian subsidiaries of foreign firms to their parent companies included in the number?

    I thought our foreign financing position didn’t look so bad. I will try to look into this.

    It doesn’t help that the Hungarian central bank is led by an Orbán loyalist dodo who organized the interior of the main central bank office building in accordance with the principles of feng shui.

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  61. g2k says:
    @reiner Tor
    I’ve only sat in a Volga once, when the driver of a director of the company where my dad worked did a favor for my dad and transported me and my brother for a short distance. It felt extremely prestigious and big, though it felt much wider than long, since I think the passenger cabin wasn’t very long relative to the length of the car. I guess adults didn’t find it so very comfortable. It also must’ve been difficult to drive and park due to its size.

    But to be honest, even West German or Italian or French cars of the era were often small, uncomfortable and crappy. Still less crappy than Eastern Bloc cars.

    I took one as a taxi once, it felt like a bit of a silly car, trying to be something it wasn’t; a supposed luxury car with cloth seats, a ridiculously long throw on the gearbox, leaf springs and a 4pot engine. They were quite roomy though and the older versions had nice 50s-60s American styling. The zhigulis and zapos at least weren’t pretending to be anything other than basic. Having said that, there was probably a period from the mid 70s to the late 80s where they were at least snapping at the heels of American cars in terms of performance, thanks to smog controls, slushy suspensions and autoboxes. I don’t think any of the commie cars, with the exception of the Trabant were terrible, they just stayed in production for far too long.

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    I have been driven around in a late model, early 2000's. Volga when Feripaska was trying to revive the brand. Feripaska worked closely with Rover in the UK.. He tried to buy it when it went under but had no cash. He took over a lot of engineers and managers. When they went to the former Austin plant in Nizhny Novgorod where the Volgas were made, the older ones recognisized some of the paperwork used. Anyway, the final models used a lot of British parts such as the Rover 2.0 l diesel engine. Rather like Rover, the final product was quite decent but too little too late.

    My ride was with government officials. Getting a Volga with a driver meant yoor career had made notable progress.
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  62. US warns Russia, Syria against chemical weapons use

    US plans to use fake chemical weapons attack to strike Syria – Russian MoD

    If there is a chemical incident –

    USA: “We told you so”

    Russia: “We told you so”

    And if there is not a chemical incident –

    USA: “A tragedy was averted by our prescient warning”

    Russia: “A tragedy was averted by our prescient warning”

    And who will the rest of the world (ROW) support?

    Russia’s Syria chemical weapons attack warning dubious, experts say

    “The Russian government is warning of a staged gas attack by Syrian rebels in Idlib. Experts doubt the validity of that information, however, and see the move as a telltale sign of desperation in Moscow.”

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  63. notanon says:
    @AaronB
    PUAs becoming extreme right wingers is not a pendulum swing - it has always been about cruelty and domination, not sex.

    It has been pointed out many times that manipulating the insecurities of women and preying on their weaknesses and fears to get loveless sex based on an artificially crafted presentation of yourself is far less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you're after.

    Yet PUAs are notoriously opposed to paid sex, because it doesn't validate their ability to manipulate and intimidate. Domination is the point. Cruelty is the point.

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.

    Men who gravitate towards PUA - even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology - are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy - but we should also be clear on what kind of men they've become.

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.

    it’s the other way round

    PUA started as a very individualistic reaction to feminism, pro-sex but anti-relationship – young PUA influenced dudes who later got involved with the far-right have been slowly switching to pater familias mode for reasons which should be obvious.

    (trive vs individual)

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    PUA started as a response to feminism, and became a male version of feminism - both are movements for the harsh domination of their respective genders.

    PUA version of patriarchy isn't the benevolent guidance of mature and experienced men looking out for the interests of everyone, but the harsh domination of callous and immature men interested in personal power over females - the stuff of feminists nightmares.
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  64. notanon says:

    trive vs individual

    tribvs would have been a much better typo, doh!

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  65. @Anatoly Karlin
    It would make more sense (both fairer and more efficient) to fully equalize the retirement age for both sexes, while cutting off a year for women for every child they have up to some rational limit like 5 or 6.

    Putin did propose the latter, but structured in a bizarre way. There will be a year cut off for every child that women have above two, while the retirement age will remain 50 years for those with 5 or more children.

    Pretty much the only people to have such families are various lower IQ ethnic minorities. This means that we might now get the spectacle of a Russian man in Irkutsk with an LE of 65 retiring at 65, while a Chechen woman with an LE of 80 gets to retire at 50.

    It would make more sense (both fairer and more efficient) to fully equalize the retirement age for both sexes, while cutting off a year for women for every child they have up to some rational limit like 5 or 6.

    This seems like an odd way to stimulate birthrate: you think that women will be more enthusiastic about having one extra kid, knowing they’ll be able to retire one year early? Women IRL do not calculate like that.

    Common sense suggests that retirement age should correspond to life expectancy for both sexes (i.e. it should be lower for men in Russia), but the most efficient way to reform the pension system would be to abolish it altogether.

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  66. @reiner Tor

    A surprising amount of Hungarians feel nostalgic for it.
     
    There are two things which were better: proles had a better life (only recently did life get better for them due to the large scale emigration to the EU and the resulting labor shortage), and there was a general sense of continuity: you were expected to live your life out in Hungary, with things worse than in Western Europe but better than our neighbors (and constantly improving), and you didn’t expect to see your children leave the country. Just to give an example of how life was better, meat consumption was at its all time high in the 1970s.

    To put it in perspective, when I was a child, most old people were quite nostalgic for the previous Horthy era, which was probably even better than the communist system in many ways, and not much worse even for proles. It must be kept in mind that a lot of the improvements is coming from technological progress and not the switch to capitalism. (The same was true back then.) Of course, not much of the innovation happened in communist countries, and when it did, it was often not implemented.

    Here is some Hungarian nostalgia for you by a British writer who grew up in Hungary. It was meant to be a teaser for her book Goulash and Solidarity, which never found a publisher because (or so says her husband, the occasional RT columnist Neil Clark) UK publishers had no interest in accounts that showed any positive sides of life behind the Iron Curtain.

    Oppressive and grey? No, growing up under communism was the happiest time of my life

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221064/Oppressive-grey-No-growing-communism-happiest-time-life.html

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    Thanks for the link. I can relate to that woman.

    Our voice - the voice of those whose lives were improved by communism - is seldom heard when it comes to discussions of what life was like behind the Iron Curtain.

    Instead, the accounts we hear in the West are nearly always from the perspectives of wealthy emigrés or anti-communist dissidents with an axe to grind.
     
    Yes, exactly. The Western narrative on Communist experience is awfully one-sided. I am no fun of the Communist system but even so this relentless propaganda rubs me the wrong way.

    Programming on Hungarian television reflected the regime's priority to bring culture to the masses, with no dumbing down.
     
    Also true about the USSR. I don't believe it was such a good thing. Everyone wants to be entertained at his own level. Dumb people need dumb entertainment. You can't just pour high culture down their throats, they will turn you off. In Russia, they will begin drinking.

    In this light, kudos to the American culture. No one in the world is better at creating trash for dummies. People knock this but keeps the left side of the bell curve properly anesthetized.
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  67. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    It would make more sense (both fairer and more efficient) to fully equalize the retirement age for both sexes, while cutting off a year for women for every child they have up to some rational limit like 5 or 6.

    Putin did propose the latter, but structured in a bizarre way. There will be a year cut off for every child that women have above two, while the retirement age will remain 50 years for those with 5 or more children.

    Pretty much the only people to have such families are various lower IQ ethnic minorities. This means that we might now get the spectacle of a Russian man in Irkutsk with an LE of 65 retiring at 65, while a Chechen woman with an LE of 80 gets to retire at 50.

    Christcuck

    Make a post on the link between female education and the fertility crisis

    https://www.nap.edu/read/6272/chapter/3#25

    http://blogs.worldbank.org/health/female-education-and-childbearing-closer-look-data

    In Ethiopia, a woman who’s been to school has 1.3 children versus 5+

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  68. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss
    Debt Trap = Neo-Colonialism.

    China is imitating Europe.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/m/haber/152967/french-colonial-tax-still-enforce-for-africa

    When Guinea demanded independence from French colonial rule in 1958, the French unleashed their fury with more than 3,000 leaving the country taking their entire property. In addition, they destroyed anything that couldn't be taken – destroying schools, nurseries, public administration buildings, cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged, animals killed and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned. In effect they were sending a message to all other colonies that the [consequences] for rejecting France would be high.

    The article called attention to an ongoing practice by which former African [colonies] are forced to pay a colonial tax to France – even today. In fact, France continues to thrive on the practice, which extracts approximately 500 billion dollars from African countries each year.

    As Koutonin notes, this outrageous tax deprives African economies of much needed funds, exacerbates debt, and strips their authority over their own natural reserves. But the detriments are more than just economic, as the ills of colonialism manifest in social ways that are equally devastating to the dignity and identity of the African people:

    500 billion to screw all the white women you want? Hmm.

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  69. WHAT says:

    Anatoly, have you seen the latest news about McCain`s coffin? RUKOPOZHATNOST` LEVEL KARAMURZA, literally.

    Unbelievable.

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  70. DFH says:
    @Bliss
    Debt Trap = Neo-Colonialism.

    China is imitating Europe.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/m/haber/152967/french-colonial-tax-still-enforce-for-africa

    When Guinea demanded independence from French colonial rule in 1958, the French unleashed their fury with more than 3,000 leaving the country taking their entire property. In addition, they destroyed anything that couldn't be taken – destroying schools, nurseries, public administration buildings, cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged, animals killed and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned. In effect they were sending a message to all other colonies that the [consequences] for rejecting France would be high.

    The article called attention to an ongoing practice by which former African [colonies] are forced to pay a colonial tax to France – even today. In fact, France continues to thrive on the practice, which extracts approximately 500 billion dollars from African countries each year.

    As Koutonin notes, this outrageous tax deprives African economies of much needed funds, exacerbates debt, and strips their authority over their own natural reserves. But the detriments are more than just economic, as the ills of colonialism manifest in social ways that are equally devastating to the dignity and identity of the African people:

    Poor little Africans, being exploited by Europeans giving them hundreds of billions of dollars in debt relief

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  71. Not being particularly interested in 5 million plus or minus 1 million, late I’ve had to get my crimethink thrills elsewhere, so have been reading Moldbug, who makes some good points, and is certainly entertaining, but leaves many questions under-explored.

    Daniel Chieh (and others) what to read next in NRx?

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    http://neoreaction.net/bestofnrx.html

    https://thefutureprimaeval.net/material-and-social-technologies/
    https://thefutureprimaeval.net/social-technology-and-anarcho-tyranny/
    https://thefutureprimaeval.net/the-circle-of-equity/

    https://thefutureprimaeval.net/a-short-argument-for-traditions/
    , @Daniel Chieh
    The other major trend of thought is Dark Enlightenment, which is the Nick Landian version of NRX:

    https://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/

    I also recommend Spandrell & Jim:

    https://spandrell.com/tag/best/

    https://blog.jim.com/

    Somewhat entertaining and well-researched, is the Mad Monarchist:

    https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/

    , @Daniel Chieh
    Grey-enlightenment here is also interesting. As per his name, its a more moderate but still solidly dissident Right.

    https://greyenlightenment.com/sample-page/
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  72. Brabantian says: • Website

    Speaking of the JQ, it turns out that USA Vice-President Mike Pence, bound for even more fame if things get impeachy, is part of an extended proud Jewish family

    Thanks to Aangirfan on her site, from the Christian Zionist press, “Meet Mike Pence’s Orthodox, Jewish, Israeli Cousins”

    Pences of Indiana, including US Vice-President Mike Pence, have Jewish cousins, some in Israel … Mike Pence is a cousin of Jewish Jesse Socher, living on the Golan Heights, whose son is in a photo wearing an Israeli military uniform. Other connections are Tammy Socher, Richard Pence, and Merrill Socher-Axelrod, who told Mike Pence, “You have Orthodox Jewish cousins in Israel. Your cousins are my cousins.”

    Mike Pence’s mom, Nancy, was born as ‘Cawley’ which can be a Jewish name … Apparently ‘Pence’ is a “made-up Ellis Island name … It doesn’t really come from England.”

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  73. @Polish Perspective

    Britcucks
     
    https://i.imgur.com/LcM85wB.jpg

    The 'Eternal Anglo' meme was not created out of thin air. Anyone knowing anything about the history of SA also knows that the Anglos backstabbed the Boers more than any other. It also solidifies my opinion of the UK as the single worst major Western European country.

    While France and Germany have their problems, would we see a government minister come out like this in any of those countries?

    https://i.imgur.com/XhiijnW.jpg


    Tesla
     
    I'm glad you're finally coming back to life, Thor, after I posted a series of news of Tesla shorts losing billions and where you were mysteriously silent ;)

    Musk backed away from the private funding because he was told by existing institutional investors, not because there was no money. The SEC investigation will go nowhere. This is also why your "tesla will go bankrupt" bet is yet another money loser, if things go haywire, Musk can always go private because the funding is there. It would also give me a guaranteed sell price at $420 or thereabouts whereas I bought the stocks at $280.

    That said, the problems at Tesla remain what they were for years. Musk is A) overstretched between two very demanding companies and B) he is an extremely ambitious man. He's going to introduce four new models in the new few years (Tesla Truck, Tesla Pickup, Tesla Model Y and Tesla Roadster). He is also going to try to build a new factory in China, which is now not even needing to share ownership because of the new Chinese rules regarding EVs. If he would just calm down and allow the current pipeline to be optimised it wouldn't be a problem. But then again, he is Elon Musk, he's constantly in a hurry. My guess is that he'll likely go private in the end, get the big cash infusion needed to do all the models/capital buildout and then just burn the costs down and start acting like a normal car company (5% growth instead of insane 50% growth rates).


    TURKEY. After its devaluation, it now has Europe’s third lowest wage after the Ukraine and Moldova.
     
    Well, do we now use nominal prices when it suits us or do we stick with PPP? Sort of reminds me of Felix using nominal GDP per capita to diss Ukraine but insisting on using PPP for Russia. FWIW, here's the PPP-adjusted picture.

    https://i.imgur.com/93RY1ND.png

    The map is still flawed for at least two reasons.

    1. It isn't normalised for working hours. Poles work close to 2050 annual hours (Russia is similar) but Czechs work 200-250 hours less. So, per hour worked wages in Czechia is higher.
    2. It is based on average instead of median. Countries with lower GINI inequality will do better whereas average wage maps tend to make highly inequal countries (such as Russia) come off as better. This is also true for Poland, but for a lesser extent. Czechia and Slovenia both have lower inequality than Poland.

    But it's still better than nominal maps.

    The shorts who lost money were the ones playing the puts. Timing is hard.

    The money to go private is there–now (maybe?). Read the Wall Street Journal article I posted. Silver Lake Partners, Volkswagen AG, and the Saudis were all kicking tires. There was never a formal offer, committed partners, or something for shareholders to vote on. And in financial markets money is there–until it isn’t. The telecom bubble is a classic example.

    https://25iq.com/2017/11/11/the-1990s-telecom-bubble-what-can-we-learn/

    Companies being investigated by the SEC cannot raise money from capital markets, which means Tesla is now dependent on banks and vendors to sustain its cash burn. While the investigation might not go anywhere, while it’s going on Tesla can’t issue new shares or bonds.

    And as for that $420 per share price, apparently “Grimes” (???) got Musk really into weed and he finds the whole 420 thing HILARIOUS: https://www.thestreet.com/markets/azealia-banks-confirms-elon-musk-smokes-weed-14689682

    Have fun being bullish on this dog.

    $TSLAQ 420 blaze it

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    You should never be shorting individual stocks: your options will decay over time, and by selling stock short your loss is potentially unlimited. You are also in danger of wild overnight moves.

    You might get lucky occasionally, but it's a losing strategy in the long-run.

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  74. @AaronB
    PUAs becoming extreme right wingers is not a pendulum swing - it has always been about cruelty and domination, not sex.

    It has been pointed out many times that manipulating the insecurities of women and preying on their weaknesses and fears to get loveless sex based on an artificially crafted presentation of yourself is far less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you're after.

    Yet PUAs are notoriously opposed to paid sex, because it doesn't validate their ability to manipulate and intimidate. Domination is the point. Cruelty is the point.

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.

    Men who gravitate towards PUA - even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology - are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy - but we should also be clear on what kind of men they've become.

    This is nonsense. PUA is just an amoral set of observations rather than any life strategy, its no more “evil” than say, hypnosis. As notanon noted, its actually highly individualistic and doesn’t really have anything to say about how society should handle women at all: its just about “getting your own” with no regard for anything else.

    People who take that philosophy and propose political solutions for women are actually less selfish in that sense.

    The idea of advocating religion over Game observations as a means of handling loneliness seems ridiculous. Religion took my money. PUA saved my life, arguably.

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    Daniel, every theory of man woman relations implies a social system.

    If you believe women wish to be "dominated" - the basic premise of PUA - this implies a particular social system.

    If you believe women want to share power, even if in different areas, and want to be treated with love, kindness, and respect, that implies an entirely different social organization.

    Desiring to dominate another human being isn't morally neutral - it's probably the essence of evil, as well as driven by personal weakness.

    I'm not accusing you of these attributes, so don't take it personally - I have no idea how you personally "implemented" PUA, and it's likely your wife found you endearing despite your attempts to be dominant, not because of them. You seem to have other morally worthwhile qualities.

    But the theory is evil.
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  75. Singh says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    Not being particularly interested in 5 million plus or minus 1 million, late I've had to get my crimethink thrills elsewhere, so have been reading Moldbug, who makes some good points, and is certainly entertaining, but leaves many questions under-explored.

    Daniel Chieh (and others) what to read next in NRx?
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  76. AaronB says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    I would say the key is validation, not so much cruelty. If it was cruelty, you'd see actual violent rape scandals surrounding these guys (not fake "regret rape" or even faker "rape culture" scandals) but that doesn't seem to happen.

    A few generations ago, the cultural ideal was a man who finds a woman to marry and provides and takes care of his family but Western media now paints such men as uncool, pale and stale conservative dolts. Pop media idolizes men who get a lot of female attention and men who grow up immersed in it will grow up believing that failure to bed a lot of women is an invalidation of their manhood. Prostitutes do not help since having to pay for something is the opposite of getting validation.

    There are still religious subcultures that isolate their members from mainstream media and in an Amish community they still have traditional standards - a faithful husband is viewed positively by his community and gets social validation while a man who just tries to seduce women for sex quickly becomes an outcast. If any of the PUA guys had grown up in such a community, they would have very likely just been normal members.

    Modern society has produced a weird class of men. There were always some extremely promiscuous sociopaths but they were men who ignored the social disapproval they received. Now we have the opposite of sociopaths, men who deeply want the approval of society, ending up believing that to get the approval of society they need to be promiscuous.

    I largely agree, but I do think simple cruelty and power over others plays a significant role in their motivations for many, although domination and validation – and isn’t domination always about validation really? – is the primary factor for most.

    What disturbs me is that sociopathic behavior is gradually becoming mainstreamed – lots of tv shows glorify it, breaking bad, house of cards, sneaky Pete, etc.

    I know that sociopaths are supposed to be unconcerned with social approval, but in their own way I think they are people obsessed with it – otherwise, they would not care do much about status, wealth, and power. These things have no intrinsic value – they are primarily instruments of social approval.

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    I think Jaakko has excellent points. I remember reading into the background of someone like Roosh and he didn't seem to start out like Caligula or anything. He just seemed to be kind of a semi-dorky guy that was upset that a bunch of other guys were getting women and he was being left out - basically a potential-incel that decided to figure out how to get himself out of his hole.

    I don't know how much cruelty there is, but there does seem to be a callous indifference in many of their actions. Every woman is simply a conquest, like some elusive prize at the end of a video game if you play it right. New and exotic countries are new frontiers for PUA.

    It seems chivalry was killed somewhere along the way (maybe finally decapitated with the sexual revolution) and the PUA rose up like a zombie in its place.

    The extreme position some of the ex-PUA take is eerily familiar to anyone who has read deeply into the kinds of people that join Daesh. These people are often those who were into clubbing, drugs, women - you name it. And at some point they turn around because they realize how empty it all is, but it isn't a spiritual turn-about - it's about revenge not repentance. Taking revenge on that society or institution or whatever that wasted their lives, that took their innocence, etc.

    For Daesh-fanboiz it's the evil West and for many of these ex-PUAs, it seems to be evil women.

    What disturbs me is that sociopathic behavior is gradually becoming mainstreamed
     
    Yup - the popularity of movies like "Saw" should be a huge wake up call.

    less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you’re after
     
    Soon it may even be even less time and cost effective now that they have to compete with the new girl on the block:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZC4thA3baE

    Peace.
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  77. AaronB says:
    @Bliss

    Men who gravitate towards PUA – even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology – are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy – but we should also be clear on what kind of men they’ve become.
     
    Such men are dangerous psychopathic predators by nature, with zero moral compass. That’s why they are attracted to the “Game”, the far right, organized crime, sadism, gangsterism etc. And no, they do not deserve any sympathy.

    Those who sympathize with evil men betray their own inclinations.

    We should have sympathy for the broken.

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  78. AaronB says:
    @notanon

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.
     
    it's the other way round

    PUA started as a very individualistic reaction to feminism, pro-sex but anti-relationship - young PUA influenced dudes who later got involved with the far-right have been slowly switching to pater familias mode for reasons which should be obvious.

    (trive vs individual)

    PUA started as a response to feminism, and became a male version of feminism – both are movements for the harsh domination of their respective genders.

    PUA version of patriarchy isn’t the benevolent guidance of mature and experienced men looking out for the interests of everyone, but the harsh domination of callous and immature men interested in personal power over females – the stuff of feminists nightmares.

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    Nonsense. MRA is the male version of feminism. PUA is just a tool.
    , @notanon

    PUA started as a response to feminism, and became a male version of feminism – both are movements for the harsh domination of their respective genders.
     
    in a way; if you recognize feminism as partly being about unattractive women looking for an alternative career to motherhood (with massive assistance from an anti-natal media) then PUA was unattractive men (partly due to trying to be "nice") looking for sex without reproduction but

    PUA version of patriarchy
     
    in my experience there isn't a specific PUA version of patriarchy it's mostly just dudes unwinding the hostility and bitterness they picked up from school and college going back to the old version of patriarchy which had been defeated by the media.

    if there is a PUA version of patriarchy it's the old version but informed by genetics i.e. women may like "nice" and "sensitive" on a conscious level but at a lower level their prehistoric genes want sons who can kill lions.

    #

    (btw i agree that PUA is toxic on its own - i'm saying it doesn't make people go far right (cos PUA on its own is individualist) and that going far-right mostly detoxifies it and leaves the good bits.)
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  79. @Talha
    OK - lots of stuff to unpack here, so...to commence...

    The onus is on the woman because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap.
     
    It is beyond the biological equation, keep in mind what the blog post stated:

    The globohomo anti-white elite and their institutions want to slut you [women] up to lock you out--out of the future, that is. Choose wisely--civilization depends on it.
     
    You cannot both place the onus on women to safeguard civilization and concurrently deem them not capable of being involved in the decision making to run society. Men, in a serious patriarchy, recognize that they must put forward the proposal that they are in positions of power precisely to protect women and for their benefit. This cannot happen unless the men prove, through their actions that they are not behaving like; a) predators or b) children in a candy shop. Self-control is a necessary part of masculinity.

    broad sexual experience severely damages a woman’s ability to pair bond
     
    Correct, which is why men should not contribute to the break down of women that will be future wives and mothers.

    not saying players are innocent in this regard either
     
    Indeed and you brought up good examples which we will explore later.

    men who have had many partners are highly likely to have more children for obvious reasons.
     
    In this day and age, they are only more liable to contribute to raising the statistical rates of abortions in society - women are not willing to have the children of hump-and-dump men. And they have the means to ensure they don't.

    If you take a pass someone else will tap that.
     
    OK - but two points:
    1) Why do you want to be a contributing factor in the downward spiral of society?
    2) According to the chart, the numbers of partners does have an affect on the later decision-making of the woman. You holding yourself in check could be the factor that determines whether she ends up in the 2-5 category or the 6-10 one - you can make the difference. Remember..."Choose wisely--civilization depends on it."

    While moral reform is laudable, ultimately the solution is political.
     
    Yes, ultimately, but you cannot put the cart before the horse.

    Witness the evolution of Roosh for instance. Roissy/Heartiste is now to the right of Ayatollah Khomeini.
     
    I agree - and this is the kind of damage that can happen to PUAs. This is not good. Going from one extreme to another is of no help to anyone; better to map out a reasonable path from the get-go instead of setting up a bi-polar approach that will ensure the pendulum keeps swinging from one extreme to another ad infinitum.

    In the past (and present in some Islamic states) this matter was not left up to individual virtue.
     
    Correct, but these kinds of laws can only be enforced if they already have a wide level of sign-off from the greater society. These laws are meant to force the hands of those exceptions to the rule - you cannot have 80% of society being an exception to the rule.

    Example; some level of alcohol prohibition is enforced in plenty of Muslim countries. Yes there are a few people that skirt the rules and either bribe their way out or get punished, but the majority of the population adheres to the rule because they already consider it a vice - you can handle the exceptions logistically. Compare that with the utter failure of prohibition in the US - even the cops were pissed off they couldn't drink booze.

    Look, I'm coming from a community that is tackling this stuff head on. We are trying to preserve the our next generation and hold the line (and do it well enough that they will be able to hold the line for at least seven generations or more). I'm also very well connected with plenty of spiritual teachers that share what's going on in the Muslim community and our points of failure based on counseling hundreds of families.

    One obvious point is in the families that tend to treat their gigolo sons with kid gloves but go ballistic when their girls mess around. Almost every single time, you will lose the girl because they see right through the hypocrisy - nobody respects hypocrisy. There have been plenty of times when I have been able to win over my daughter by pointing out that I don't have lax expectations for her brothers as opposed to her.

    These are some major issues I'm seeing in the Alt-Right/WN community - you guys need to be able to make this thing more appealing to women by stressing how it is in their best interest. Trust me, women will be on board to police themselves and not waste time with players when you do so:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zty8kFyMzDg

    But you, as men, need to provide the serious alternative to the players otherwise how are they going to know the difference if you're just trying to get into their pants just as much as the next guy?

    Peace.

    I don’t think the onus should be on women. The onus should be on the state (and churches, schools, media, and other major institutions). Women then will police eachother’s behavior since women are conformists. Traditionally the people who “slut shame” are other women who don’t like the competition.

    Good points otherwise, though the pendulum metaphor isn’t right. The PUA movement emerged in response to sexual liberation. Basically men who were simply trying to figure out how to get laid. As a result of that experience they came to see the wisdom in the traditional arrangements that, for instance, your community practices.

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    The onus should be on the state...
     
    Agreed - eventually - how do you get there though? The state and institutions are a reflection of the people - why is marijuana now growing in legal usage when it wasn't 10 years ago. I posted a video of Sr. Yasmin Mogahed who speaks at large conferences to many young women - if you watched it, she was applauded by the audience (full of women) for stating publicly that women should not waste their time with men who are not man enough to approach their fathers at the outset. This is what our community is fighting to preserve, it is absolutely precious in this day and age, you guys need to get somewhere close to it again somehow (basically the way the West was many decades ago). This requires that young women have an immense amount of confidence in their fathers...and that cannot happen if their fathers are gigolos like every other man-child out there that can't control his appetites.

    That is the key here and the essence of patriarchy; how do fathers re-establish that normative guardian relationship with their daughters in the West? Any changes in laws will reflect a change in these norms. But men have to act like father material first.

    Traditionally the people who “slut shame” are other women who don’t like the competition.
     
    I agree here, many people in the West have no clue that for every bint taking off her hijab on the streets of some upper-class neighborhood in Tehran, there are plenty of women that would force a scarf on her if they had a chance. Shaming negative behavior is a very powerful tool for society.

    The PUA movement emerged in response to sexual liberation.
     
    That is a good point. Though, you have to admit, men were full partners in the nonsense - I remember seeing stock footage of Woodstock - plenty of guys hanging around taking advantage of easy pickings.

    Basically men who were simply trying to figure out how to get laid.
     
    The current sexual market norms in the West reminds me of Lord of the Flies - these kinds of various movements were inevitable.

    Anyway, just my two cents based on my experience (and that of my community); feel free to use whatever helps.

    Peace.
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  80. @AaronB
    PUAs becoming extreme right wingers is not a pendulum swing - it has always been about cruelty and domination, not sex.

    It has been pointed out many times that manipulating the insecurities of women and preying on their weaknesses and fears to get loveless sex based on an artificially crafted presentation of yourself is far less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you're after.

    Yet PUAs are notoriously opposed to paid sex, because it doesn't validate their ability to manipulate and intimidate. Domination is the point. Cruelty is the point.

    Its no surprise these men eventually gravitate towards tyrant-based political systems.

    Men who gravitate towards PUA - even those just attracted to the concepts and terminology - are damaged men shaped by a toxic society, so we should have sympathy - but we should also be clear on what kind of men they've become.

    Dude are you gay?

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    That would put his 'harsh domination' comments in a different light.
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  81. AP says:

    Interview of Kryshtanovskaya about the Putin state’s succession process:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-25/putin-s-succession-plan-could-be-trouble-for-russia

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    Want to comment on the Ukraine's ongoing demographic collapse?

    In January-June 2018 births are down 7,1% down from last year, including Lvov region – 7,5% down, Ivano-Frankovsk – 8,2% down.

    http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/operativ/operativ2018/ds/pp/pp_e/pp0618_e.html

    Doesn't seem to support your idea of a recovery in living standards. Also interesting that Galicia is hardest hit.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    People from Russia’s security services [Putin was a KGB officer] are big fans of China.
     
    Not my (or JL's) impression. Well, apart from the specific point of Andropovophilia.

    Putin has no choice but to bet on people from the ’70s. He needs someone who will bring new energy.
     
    Current favorite in Kremlin circles, according to a sufficiently connected journalist I talked with a couple of months ago, is Dmitry Patrushev. Though it's all speculation, of course.
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  82. @Thorfinnsson
    The shorts who lost money were the ones playing the puts. Timing is hard.

    The money to go private is there--now (maybe?). Read the Wall Street Journal article I posted. Silver Lake Partners, Volkswagen AG, and the Saudis were all kicking tires. There was never a formal offer, committed partners, or something for shareholders to vote on. And in financial markets money is there--until it isn't. The telecom bubble is a classic example.

    https://25iq.com/2017/11/11/the-1990s-telecom-bubble-what-can-we-learn/

    Companies being investigated by the SEC cannot raise money from capital markets, which means Tesla is now dependent on banks and vendors to sustain its cash burn. While the investigation might not go anywhere, while it's going on Tesla can't issue new shares or bonds.

    And as for that $420 per share price, apparently "Grimes" (???) got Musk really into weed and he finds the whole 420 thing HILARIOUS: https://www.thestreet.com/markets/azealia-banks-confirms-elon-musk-smokes-weed-14689682

    Have fun being bullish on this dog.

    $TSLAQ 420 blaze it

    You should never be shorting individual stocks: your options will decay over time, and by selling stock short your loss is potentially unlimited. You are also in danger of wild overnight moves.

    You might get lucky occasionally, but it’s a losing strategy in the long-run.

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    I'm aware of the dangers of stock shorting.

    My portfolio is 90% long, and I always keep some dry powder.
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  83. @AaronB
    PUA started as a response to feminism, and became a male version of feminism - both are movements for the harsh domination of their respective genders.

    PUA version of patriarchy isn't the benevolent guidance of mature and experienced men looking out for the interests of everyone, but the harsh domination of callous and immature men interested in personal power over females - the stuff of feminists nightmares.

    Nonsense. MRA is the male version of feminism. PUA is just a tool.

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    No tool is neutral. No technology is neutral.
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  84. @AP
    Interview of Kryshtanovskaya about the Putin state's succession process:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-25/putin-s-succession-plan-could-be-trouble-for-russia

    Want to comment on the Ukraine’s ongoing demographic collapse?

    In January-June 2018 births are down 7,1% down from last year, including Lvov region – 7,5% down, Ivano-Frankovsk – 8,2% down.

    http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/operativ/operativ2018/ds/pp/pp_e/pp0618_e.html

    Doesn’t seem to support your idea of a recovery in living standards. Also interesting that Galicia is hardest hit.

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    Want to comment on the Ukraine’s ongoing demographic collapse?
     
    Young people traveling to Poland for months at a time? The decline is largely an artifact of a larger number of people having left, and these are mostly of child-bearing age.

    A friend just got back from a long trip to Poland, which is full of Ukrainians. There are even Ukrainian cops there now!

    Also interesting that Galicia is hardest hit.
     
    1. It is below average but other regions have seen steeper declines. For example Zaporizhia declined over 9%. Luhansk is an outlier because it has seen almost 0% decline, having hit rock bottom (but Donetsk keeps declining - over 9%).

    2. Galicia has had above average birth rates so despite being "hardest hit" its birth rate remains above average. For example there were over 11,300 live birth in Lviv oblast vs. 9,632 in Kharkiv oblast, despite Lviv oblast having 2.5 million people and Kharkiv oblast having 2.7 million people. So we see the ongoing demographic shift towards the western nationalistic parts of the country continues in 2018.

    ::::::::::::

    As for "demographic collapse."

    Assuming the official figure of 2.5 million people in Lviv oblast, 11,3000 births there in the first six months of 2018 would be about 9.04/1,000 for the year. This makes the oblast a little better than Romania's 9.02 (which is boosted by gypsies - so much better than ethnic Romanian Romania) and well ahead of Germany and Spain (8.6).

    But taking into account people living in Poland and actual population being smaller than the official figure, Lviv oblast's birth rate is probably similar to that of Hungary or Croatia (9.3 or so). Your dream of "demographic collapse" is an exaggeration.

    Unless you believe the fairytale that half of Galicia has unofficially left. In that case, Galicia's birth rate must be at Mexican levels :-).
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  85. Kimppis says:
    @Polish Perspective

    Britcucks
     
    https://i.imgur.com/LcM85wB.jpg

    The 'Eternal Anglo' meme was not created out of thin air. Anyone knowing anything about the history of SA also knows that the Anglos backstabbed the Boers more than any other. It also solidifies my opinion of the UK as the single worst major Western European country.

    While France and Germany have their problems, would we see a government minister come out like this in any of those countries?

    https://i.imgur.com/XhiijnW.jpg


    Tesla
     
    I'm glad you're finally coming back to life, Thor, after I posted a series of news of Tesla shorts losing billions and where you were mysteriously silent ;)

    Musk backed away from the private funding because he was told by existing institutional investors, not because there was no money. The SEC investigation will go nowhere. This is also why your "tesla will go bankrupt" bet is yet another money loser, if things go haywire, Musk can always go private because the funding is there. It would also give me a guaranteed sell price at $420 or thereabouts whereas I bought the stocks at $280.

    That said, the problems at Tesla remain what they were for years. Musk is A) overstretched between two very demanding companies and B) he is an extremely ambitious man. He's going to introduce four new models in the new few years (Tesla Truck, Tesla Pickup, Tesla Model Y and Tesla Roadster). He is also going to try to build a new factory in China, which is now not even needing to share ownership because of the new Chinese rules regarding EVs. If he would just calm down and allow the current pipeline to be optimised it wouldn't be a problem. But then again, he is Elon Musk, he's constantly in a hurry. My guess is that he'll likely go private in the end, get the big cash infusion needed to do all the models/capital buildout and then just burn the costs down and start acting like a normal car company (5% growth instead of insane 50% growth rates).


    TURKEY. After its devaluation, it now has Europe’s third lowest wage after the Ukraine and Moldova.
     
    Well, do we now use nominal prices when it suits us or do we stick with PPP? Sort of reminds me of Felix using nominal GDP per capita to diss Ukraine but insisting on using PPP for Russia. FWIW, here's the PPP-adjusted picture.

    https://i.imgur.com/93RY1ND.png

    The map is still flawed for at least two reasons.

    1. It isn't normalised for working hours. Poles work close to 2050 annual hours (Russia is similar) but Czechs work 200-250 hours less. So, per hour worked wages in Czechia is higher.
    2. It is based on average instead of median. Countries with lower GINI inequality will do better whereas average wage maps tend to make highly inequal countries (such as Russia) come off as better. This is also true for Poland, but for a lesser extent. Czechia and Slovenia both have lower inequality than Poland.

    But it's still better than nominal maps.

    How are Ukrainian wages that high anyway!? The country seems like an outlier, although many poor Balkan countries look weird as well. Both Ukraine’s nominal and PPP GDP per capita are many times lower than Russia’s, for instance. Ukrotriumph? Their living standards aren’t really low after all? Or is that map BS?

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    I've noticed it too. Wages in the Ukraine seem to have recovered much faster, than GDP. Some weird shit is going on, and it will probably end badly for the Ukraine.
    , @AP

    How are Ukrainian wages that high anyway!?
     
    It adjusts for cost of living. Ukraine is very cheap.

    For example, one of my favorite restaurants in Lviv, and one of the most expensive in the city:

    http://monspius.lviv.ua/en.html

    Steak almost as good as in Texas, for about $6.00. Looked at a menu at a comparable place in the USA near me, and it was $50.00.

    Also, there has been some upward pressure on wages in Ukraine because so many people work in Poland.


    Both Ukraine’s nominal and PPP GDP per capita are many times lower than Russia’s, for instance.
     
    Ukraine's GDP PPP per capita was about 1/3 that of Russia in 2017 ($25,533 vs. $8,667), so not "many times lower." However Ukraine's figure is an underestimate because it doesn't take into account all the Ukrainians temporarily living abroad. Also, per capita GDP is not the same as average wage. Oil and gas add a lot to Russia's GDP and their impact on wages is probably not directly corresponding.

    Their living standards aren’t really low after all
     
    Correct. Noticeably lower than in Russia but not "1/3" of Russia's, whatever that might mean.
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  86. @AP
    Interview of Kryshtanovskaya about the Putin state's succession process:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-25/putin-s-succession-plan-could-be-trouble-for-russia

    People from Russia’s security services [Putin was a KGB officer] are big fans of China.

    Not my (or JL’s) impression. Well, apart from the specific point of Andropovophilia.

    Putin has no choice but to bet on people from the ’70s. He needs someone who will bring new energy.

    Current favorite in Kremlin circles, according to a sufficiently connected journalist I talked with a couple of months ago, is Dmitry Patrushev. Though it’s all speculation, of course.

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  87. Math is getting more diverse.

    Scholze, together with Bhargav Bhatt … has been developing a unified theory called prismatic cohomology, which envisions these different cohomologies essentially as bands of light in a cohomological rainbow

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  88. Talha says:
    @Hyperborean
    I think this is a significant error of the manosphere - they profess to want a traditional society, but they are not prepared to make the personal sacrifices to actually create it.

    Hopefully, more orthodox American reactionaries can influence their more wayward dissidents-in-arms.

    https://www.socialmatter.net/2018/03/27/sexual-dynamics-average-partner-numbers-are-gender-identical/

    This is a great summary of my longer posts. Or even more concise; if you want civilization, men need to learn to keep it in their pants.

    Or, as a quote attributed to Saladin (ra) states:
    “If you want to destroy any nation without war, make adultery and nudity common in the next generation.”

    Peace.

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  89. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    This is nonsense. PUA is just an amoral set of observations rather than any life strategy, its no more "evil" than say, hypnosis. As notanon noted, its actually highly individualistic and doesn't really have anything to say about how society should handle women at all: its just about "getting your own" with no regard for anything else.

    People who take that philosophy and propose political solutions for women are actually less selfish in that sense.

    The idea of advocating religion over Game observations as a means of handling loneliness seems ridiculous. Religion took my money. PUA saved my life, arguably.

    Daniel, every theory of man woman relations implies a social system.

    If you believe women wish to be “dominated” – the basic premise of PUA – this implies a particular social system.

    If you believe women want to share power, even if in different areas, and want to be treated with love, kindness, and respect, that implies an entirely different social organization.

    Desiring to dominate another human being isn’t morally neutral – it’s probably the essence of evil, as well as driven by personal weakness.

    I’m not accusing you of these attributes, so don’t take it personally – I have no idea how you personally “implemented” PUA, and it’s likely your wife found you endearing despite your attempts to be dominant, not because of them. You seem to have other morally worthwhile qualities.

    But the theory is evil.

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    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey_poster.jpg

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51CyB0PHbAL.jpg

    http://bangertgardens.com/gallery/7096885417d8f44fffdf953ae407bf5f.jpg

    No need to listen to PUAs on this. Take it from the ladies themselves.

    Humans are a social, tribal species who exist in dominance hierarchies. Dominance is not something we get to opt out of unless we choose to become hermits.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    You have a definition of domination that is not used by PUA and frankly is so emotionally overwrought that its hardly worth engaging. However, I am amused by the thought: you should sell a version of PUA that focuses on lonely, ancient rich women so that it can "dominate" by maximizing widower inheritance. Real domination is money, most of the time, so it logically follows that EvilPUA should be maximizing money.

    Anyway, PUA opines that many women are sexually aroused by the notion of domination, which is as moral or lack of thereof by my marketing awareness that emotionally charged advertising is more successful for women. Therefore, in order to sexually arouse women, signals should be made to appear dominant and in order for an ad to work on women, emotional appeals should be made.

    Not much else to be said. I think that you're projecting some personal trauma of poor treatment of women upon PUA; I can sympathize with that, but you should be blaming modernity, not the response to modernity.

    , @Dmitry
    I don't know about this terminology.

    But AaronB is true, and describing psychopaths/sociopaths, narcissists (and some other personality disorders) - as known in clinical psychology.

    Dating shouldn't be very complicated - either you go well with a girl (boy) or not.

    But psychopath falsifies their real personality, and presents mask of whatever is suitable for whoever they meet. And once some sentimental attraction is there, just using it as levers of power like a parasite.

    Obviously it is a spectrum, and a lot of them are not very extreme.

    Notice a lot weird girls like this in a moderate way, trying to use manipulation just in the way they send whatsapp messages. "Oh you sent message at 1am. You are a nightowl like me!" (From girl that goes to bed early).

    In a perfect world, psychopaths would be detected early and can live in a psychiatric hospital.

    But people with just moderate, manipulation personalities, are inevitable, and could probably be reformed when clinical psychology becomes more developed.

    , @notanon

    If you believe women wish to be “dominated” – the basic premise of PUA – this implies a particular social system.
     
    it's not that they want to be dominated exactly - it's that women who are alive today are alive cos their female ancestors going back millions of years were attracted to men who could put recently killed meat on the table so they may not like "toxic masculinity" but it turns them on whether they like it or not.
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  90. @Felix Keverich
    You should never be shorting individual stocks: your options will decay over time, and by selling stock short your loss is potentially unlimited. You are also in danger of wild overnight moves.

    You might get lucky occasionally, but it's a losing strategy in the long-run.

    I’m aware of the dangers of stock shorting.

    My portfolio is 90% long, and I always keep some dry powder.

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  91. AaronB says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Nonsense. MRA is the male version of feminism. PUA is just a tool.

    No tool is neutral. No technology is neutral.

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  92. @AaronB
    Daniel, every theory of man woman relations implies a social system.

    If you believe women wish to be "dominated" - the basic premise of PUA - this implies a particular social system.

    If you believe women want to share power, even if in different areas, and want to be treated with love, kindness, and respect, that implies an entirely different social organization.

    Desiring to dominate another human being isn't morally neutral - it's probably the essence of evil, as well as driven by personal weakness.

    I'm not accusing you of these attributes, so don't take it personally - I have no idea how you personally "implemented" PUA, and it's likely your wife found you endearing despite your attempts to be dominant, not because of them. You seem to have other morally worthwhile qualities.

    But the theory is evil.

    No need to listen to PUAs on this. Take it from the ladies themselves.

    Humans are a social, tribal species who exist in dominance hierarchies. Dominance is not something we get to opt out of unless we choose to become hermits.

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    I particularly enjoyed the ravaged by raptors one :) Chicks dig raptors!

    I agree, some kind of dominance hierarchy is essential for society, but there are differing levels of force and harshness.

    Medieval society seems considerably more free and merry than modern industrial society while based on a very clear hierarchy - in many ways clearer than today. It also incorporated reciprocal obligations and parallel hierarchies.

    A marriage is based on parallel hierarchy systems - male and female areas of control. That's not PUA.

    PUA is like all modern systems - harsh, degrading dominance of one element.

    Like raptors.
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  93. @AaronB
    Daniel, every theory of man woman relations implies a social system.

    If you believe women wish to be "dominated" - the basic premise of PUA - this implies a particular social system.

    If you believe women want to share power, even if in different areas, and want to be treated with love, kindness, and respect, that implies an entirely different social organization.

    Desiring to dominate another human being isn't morally neutral - it's probably the essence of evil, as well as driven by personal weakness.

    I'm not accusing you of these attributes, so don't take it personally - I have no idea how you personally "implemented" PUA, and it's likely your wife found you endearing despite your attempts to be dominant, not because of them. You seem to have other morally worthwhile qualities.

    But the theory is evil.

    You have a definition of domination that is not used by PUA and frankly is so emotionally overwrought that its hardly worth engaging. However, I am amused by the thought: you should sell a version of PUA that focuses on lonely, ancient rich women so that it can “dominate” by maximizing widower inheritance. Real domination is money, most of the time, so it logically follows that EvilPUA should be maximizing money.

    Anyway, PUA opines that many women are sexually aroused by the notion of domination, which is as moral or lack of thereof by my marketing awareness that emotionally charged advertising is more successful for women. Therefore, in order to sexually arouse women, signals should be made to appear dominant and in order for an ad to work on women, emotional appeals should be made.

    Not much else to be said. I think that you’re projecting some personal trauma of poor treatment of women upon PUA; I can sympathize with that, but you should be blaming modernity, not the response to modernity.

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    I hear, I am not interested in making this personal :) You say PUA saved your life. That's probably too personal.

    We shall have to agree to disagree.
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  94. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I don't think the onus should be on women. The onus should be on the state (and churches, schools, media, and other major institutions). Women then will police eachother's behavior since women are conformists. Traditionally the people who "slut shame" are other women who don't like the competition.

    Good points otherwise, though the pendulum metaphor isn't right. The PUA movement emerged in response to sexual liberation. Basically men who were simply trying to figure out how to get laid. As a result of that experience they came to see the wisdom in the traditional arrangements that, for instance, your community practices.

    The onus should be on the state…

    Agreed – eventually – how do you get there though? The state and institutions are a reflection of the people – why is marijuana now growing in legal usage when it wasn’t 10 years ago. I posted a video of Sr. Yasmin Mogahed who speaks at large conferences to many young women – if you watched it, she was applauded by the audience (full of women) for stating publicly that women should not waste their time with men who are not man enough to approach their fathers at the outset. This is what our community is fighting to preserve, it is absolutely precious in this day and age, you guys need to get somewhere close to it again somehow (basically the way the West was many decades ago). This requires that young women have an immense amount of confidence in their fathers…and that cannot happen if their fathers are gigolos like every other man-child out there that can’t control his appetites.

    That is the key here and the essence of patriarchy; how do fathers re-establish that normative guardian relationship with their daughters in the West? Any changes in laws will reflect a change in these norms. But men have to act like father material first.

    Traditionally the people who “slut shame” are other women who don’t like the competition.

    I agree here, many people in the West have no clue that for every bint taking off her hijab on the streets of some upper-class neighborhood in Tehran, there are plenty of women that would force a scarf on her if they had a chance. Shaming negative behavior is a very powerful tool for society.

    The PUA movement emerged in response to sexual liberation.

    That is a good point. Though, you have to admit, men were full partners in the nonsense – I remember seeing stock footage of Woodstock – plenty of guys hanging around taking advantage of easy pickings.

    Basically men who were simply trying to figure out how to get laid.

    The current sexual market norms in the West reminds me of Lord of the Flies – these kinds of various movements were inevitable.

    Anyway, just my two cents based on my experience (and that of my community); feel free to use whatever helps.

    Peace.

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    Mohammedans themselves seem to be cracking under the assault of modernity as well.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/opinion/sunday/hoejabi-hijabi-muslim-culture.html
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44933748 (note the photo of this vicious thot)
    https://www.nike.com/us/en_us/c/women/nike-pro-hijab

    We have to go back more than "many decades" ago. Dating itself needs to be abolished (note: homosexuals invented dating) and replaced with courting.

    How to get there? We start by ourselves becoming pater familias, teaching our own sons how to be men, and guarding our daughters rather than encouraging them to pursue "education". From there perhaps we can form our own neighborhoods and even entire communities.

    The Amish are an interesting model, though not without issues (rejection of technology, pacifism, rumspringa, bad aesthetics).
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  95. @The Big Red Scary
    Not being particularly interested in 5 million plus or minus 1 million, late I've had to get my crimethink thrills elsewhere, so have been reading Moldbug, who makes some good points, and is certainly entertaining, but leaves many questions under-explored.

    Daniel Chieh (and others) what to read next in NRx?

    The other major trend of thought is Dark Enlightenment, which is the Nick Landian version of NRX:

    https://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/

    I also recommend Spandrell & Jim:

    https://spandrell.com/tag/best/

    https://blog.jim.com/

    Somewhat entertaining and well-researched, is the Mad Monarchist:

    https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/

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  96. @The Big Red Scary
    Not being particularly interested in 5 million plus or minus 1 million, late I've had to get my crimethink thrills elsewhere, so have been reading Moldbug, who makes some good points, and is certainly entertaining, but leaves many questions under-explored.

    Daniel Chieh (and others) what to read next in NRx?

    Grey-enlightenment here is also interesting. As per his name, its a more moderate but still solidly dissident Right.

    https://greyenlightenment.com/sample-page/

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    I found the long summary on the first page decidedly bugmannish. The argument, such as it is, is that profitability of Facebook is reason for optimism. I'm quite open to being convinced that we are not doomed, but this doesn't even get an E for effort.

    Perhaps you could point me to some of the better argued posts?

    On the other hand, while I agree with the neoreactionaries that "democracy" really is broken, I'd like to see more detail on proposed governance structures, as well as more real life experiments. In particular, I'm not so convinced that corporations actually do such a good job of serving their customers, least of all when they form a monopoly, which a government does by definition. Even if the right of exit exists in principle, it can be very impractical even for hyper-individualistic Anglo-Saxons. So incentives have to be designed very carefully.
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  97. @Talha

    The onus should be on the state...
     
    Agreed - eventually - how do you get there though? The state and institutions are a reflection of the people - why is marijuana now growing in legal usage when it wasn't 10 years ago. I posted a video of Sr. Yasmin Mogahed who speaks at large conferences to many young women - if you watched it, she was applauded by the audience (full of women) for stating publicly that women should not waste their time with men who are not man enough to approach their fathers at the outset. This is what our community is fighting to preserve, it is absolutely precious in this day and age, you guys need to get somewhere close to it again somehow (basically the way the West was many decades ago). This requires that young women have an immense amount of confidence in their fathers...and that cannot happen if their fathers are gigolos like every other man-child out there that can't control his appetites.

    That is the key here and the essence of patriarchy; how do fathers re-establish that normative guardian relationship with their daughters in the West? Any changes in laws will reflect a change in these norms. But men have to act like father material first.

    Traditionally the people who “slut shame” are other women who don’t like the competition.
     
    I agree here, many people in the West have no clue that for every bint taking off her hijab on the streets of some upper-class neighborhood in Tehran, there are plenty of women that would force a scarf on her if they had a chance. Shaming negative behavior is a very powerful tool for society.

    The PUA movement emerged in response to sexual liberation.
     
    That is a good point. Though, you have to admit, men were full partners in the nonsense - I remember seeing stock footage of Woodstock - plenty of guys hanging around taking advantage of easy pickings.

    Basically men who were simply trying to figure out how to get laid.
     
    The current sexual market norms in the West reminds me of Lord of the Flies - these kinds of various movements were inevitable.

    Anyway, just my two cents based on my experience (and that of my community); feel free to use whatever helps.

    Peace.

    Mohammedans themselves seem to be cracking under the assault of modernity as well.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/opinion/sunday/hoejabi-hijabi-muslim-culture.html

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44933748 (note the photo of this vicious thot)

    https://www.nike.com/us/en_us/c/women/nike-pro-hijab

    We have to go back more than “many decades” ago. Dating itself needs to be abolished (note: homosexuals invented dating) and replaced with courting.

    How to get there? We start by ourselves becoming pater familias, teaching our own sons how to be men, and guarding our daughters rather than encouraging them to pursue “education”. From there perhaps we can form our own neighborhoods and even entire communities.

    The Amish are an interesting model, though not without issues (rejection of technology, pacifism, rumspringa, bad aesthetics).

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    Mohammedans themselves seem to be cracking under the assault of modernity as well.
     
    Big time - like I said, we are just holding the line.

    We are dealing with this kind of madness:
    http://everyoneisgay.com/mahdia-lynn/

    The above person is not a woman, it is a White male - I kid you not.

    I have no delusions about how bad it is out there - especially because I am in contact directly with spiritual teachers that hundreds of families come to for help:
    https://i2.wp.com/www.thefyi.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/FYI-College-Students-Infographic1.jpg

    We are simply behind everyone else as far as stats are concerned. However, we do have one thing that the West might want to revive. That concept is that of repentance. I have seen plenty of people who lived bad lives in their youth (whether born Muslims or converts) that were able to have and uphold very healthy family lives after they turned their lives around. The concept that they are not spiritually anchored by the mistakes of their past was an immense part of them being able to move forward with their lives. But that also requires shunning that past life, not lauding "sexual conquests".

    How to get there?
     
    You make excellent proposals - which is exactly along the lines that I would recommend. Which is why I'm big on men acting like would-be fathers from the outset. Politics will follow the communities.

    The Amish are an interesting model, though not without issues
     
    You guys are smart - borrow what works, reject what does not.

    Peace.
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  98. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich
    Want to comment on the Ukraine's ongoing demographic collapse?

    In January-June 2018 births are down 7,1% down from last year, including Lvov region – 7,5% down, Ivano-Frankovsk – 8,2% down.

    http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/operativ/operativ2018/ds/pp/pp_e/pp0618_e.html

    Doesn't seem to support your idea of a recovery in living standards. Also interesting that Galicia is hardest hit.

    Want to comment on the Ukraine’s ongoing demographic collapse?

    Young people traveling to Poland for months at a time? The decline is largely an artifact of a larger number of people having left, and these are mostly of child-bearing age.

    A friend just got back from a long trip to Poland, which is full of Ukrainians. There are even Ukrainian cops there now!

    Also interesting that Galicia is hardest hit.

    1. It is below average but other regions have seen steeper declines. For example Zaporizhia declined over 9%. Luhansk is an outlier because it has seen almost 0% decline, having hit rock bottom (but Donetsk keeps declining – over 9%).

    2. Galicia has had above average birth rates so despite being “hardest hit” its birth rate remains above average. For example there were over 11,300 live birth in Lviv oblast vs. 9,632 in Kharkiv oblast, despite Lviv oblast having 2.5 million people and Kharkiv oblast having 2.7 million people. So we see the ongoing demographic shift towards the western nationalistic parts of the country continues in 2018.

    ::::::::::::

    As for “demographic collapse.”

    Assuming the official figure of 2.5 million people in Lviv oblast, 11,3000 births there in the first six months of 2018 would be about 9.04/1,000 for the year. This makes the oblast a little better than Romania’s 9.02 (which is boosted by gypsies – so much better than ethnic Romanian Romania) and well ahead of Germany and Spain (8.6).

    But taking into account people living in Poland and actual population being smaller than the official figure, Lviv oblast’s birth rate is probably similar to that of Hungary or Croatia (9.3 or so). Your dream of “demographic collapse” is an exaggeration.

    Unless you believe the fairytale that half of Galicia has unofficially left. In that case, Galicia’s birth rate must be at Mexican levels :-).

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  99. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    You have a definition of domination that is not used by PUA and frankly is so emotionally overwrought that its hardly worth engaging. However, I am amused by the thought: you should sell a version of PUA that focuses on lonely, ancient rich women so that it can "dominate" by maximizing widower inheritance. Real domination is money, most of the time, so it logically follows that EvilPUA should be maximizing money.

    Anyway, PUA opines that many women are sexually aroused by the notion of domination, which is as moral or lack of thereof by my marketing awareness that emotionally charged advertising is more successful for women. Therefore, in order to sexually arouse women, signals should be made to appear dominant and in order for an ad to work on women, emotional appeals should be made.

    Not much else to be said. I think that you're projecting some personal trauma of poor treatment of women upon PUA; I can sympathize with that, but you should be blaming modernity, not the response to modernity.

    I hear, I am not interested in making this personal :) You say PUA saved your life. That’s probably too personal.

    We shall have to agree to disagree.

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  100. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Mohammedans themselves seem to be cracking under the assault of modernity as well.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/opinion/sunday/hoejabi-hijabi-muslim-culture.html
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44933748 (note the photo of this vicious thot)
    https://www.nike.com/us/en_us/c/women/nike-pro-hijab

    We have to go back more than "many decades" ago. Dating itself needs to be abolished (note: homosexuals invented dating) and replaced with courting.

    How to get there? We start by ourselves becoming pater familias, teaching our own sons how to be men, and guarding our daughters rather than encouraging them to pursue "education". From there perhaps we can form our own neighborhoods and even entire communities.

    The Amish are an interesting model, though not without issues (rejection of technology, pacifism, rumspringa, bad aesthetics).

    Mohammedans themselves seem to be cracking under the assault of modernity as well.

    Big time – like I said, we are just holding the line.

    We are dealing with this kind of madness:

    http://everyoneisgay.com/mahdia-lynn/

    The above person is not a woman, it is a White male – I kid you not.

    I have no delusions about how bad it is out there – especially because I am in contact directly with spiritual teachers that hundreds of families come to for help:

    We are simply behind everyone else as far as stats are concerned. However, we do have one thing that the West might want to revive. That concept is that of repentance. I have seen plenty of people who lived bad lives in their youth (whether born Muslims or converts) that were able to have and uphold very healthy family lives after they turned their lives around. The concept that they are not spiritually anchored by the mistakes of their past was an immense part of them being able to move forward with their lives. But that also requires shunning that past life, not lauding “sexual conquests”.

    How to get there?

    You make excellent proposals – which is exactly along the lines that I would recommend. Which is why I’m big on men acting like would-be fathers from the outset. Politics will follow the communities.

    The Amish are an interesting model, though not without issues

    You guys are smart – borrow what works, reject what does not.

    Peace.

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  101. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey_poster.jpg

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51CyB0PHbAL.jpg

    http://bangertgardens.com/gallery/7096885417d8f44fffdf953ae407bf5f.jpg

    No need to listen to PUAs on this. Take it from the ladies themselves.

    Humans are a social, tribal species who exist in dominance hierarchies. Dominance is not something we get to opt out of unless we choose to become hermits.

    I particularly enjoyed the ravaged by raptors one :) Chicks dig raptors!

    I agree, some kind of dominance hierarchy is essential for society, but there are differing levels of force and harshness.

    Medieval society seems considerably more free and merry than modern industrial society while based on a very clear hierarchy – in many ways clearer than today. It also incorporated reciprocal obligations and parallel hierarchies.

    A marriage is based on parallel hierarchy systems – male and female areas of control. That’s not PUA.

    PUA is like all modern systems – harsh, degrading dominance of one element.

    Like raptors.

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    The Bible is pretty clear on marriage. Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh. It can be, which is of course why the Medieval society you romanticize also placed many obligations and duties on husbands as part of exercising marital headship.

    And it's not just the Bible. The Roman Pater Familias had the power of life and death over his family.
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  102. Pericles says:
    @Bliss
    Debt Trap = Neo-Colonialism.

    China is imitating Europe.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/m/haber/152967/french-colonial-tax-still-enforce-for-africa

    When Guinea demanded independence from French colonial rule in 1958, the French unleashed their fury with more than 3,000 leaving the country taking their entire property. In addition, they destroyed anything that couldn't be taken – destroying schools, nurseries, public administration buildings, cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged, animals killed and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned. In effect they were sending a message to all other colonies that the [consequences] for rejecting France would be high.

    The article called attention to an ongoing practice by which former African [colonies] are forced to pay a colonial tax to France – even today. In fact, France continues to thrive on the practice, which extracts approximately 500 billion dollars from African countries each year.

    As Koutonin notes, this outrageous tax deprives African economies of much needed funds, exacerbates debt, and strips their authority over their own natural reserves. But the detriments are more than just economic, as the ills of colonialism manifest in social ways that are equally devastating to the dignity and identity of the African people:

    Perhaps something to ponder for South Africa.

    As of January 2014, 14 african countries are obliged by France, through a colonial pact, to put 85% of their foreign reserve into France central bank under French minister of Finance control.They are effectively putting in 500 Billion dollars every year to the French treasury.

    That hardly means they pay $500bn per year though. It’s probably a net good that France manages their currency accounts rather than Best Bank of Togo or whatever.

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  103. Pericles says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Dude are you gay?

    That would put his ‘harsh domination’ comments in a different light.

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  104. @AaronB
    I particularly enjoyed the ravaged by raptors one :) Chicks dig raptors!

    I agree, some kind of dominance hierarchy is essential for society, but there are differing levels of force and harshness.

    Medieval society seems considerably more free and merry than modern industrial society while based on a very clear hierarchy - in many ways clearer than today. It also incorporated reciprocal obligations and parallel hierarchies.

    A marriage is based on parallel hierarchy systems - male and female areas of control. That's not PUA.

    PUA is like all modern systems - harsh, degrading dominance of one element.

    Like raptors.

    The Bible is pretty clear on marriage. Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh. It can be, which is of course why the Medieval society you romanticize also placed many obligations and duties on husbands as part of exercising marital headship.

    And it’s not just the Bible. The Roman Pater Familias had the power of life and death over his family.

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    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.
     
    And the men are commanded to submit to God - which means that you can't stick your willy into everything you want to. God is also fairly clear on that.

    Which comes back to one of my earlier points; you cannot point to the Bible and ask women to conform while men take the back door out of its restrictions on their behavior. That kind of hypocrisy will be called out and women will fight it tooth and nail.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh.
     
    Agreed - it is also the basis of guardianship and protection.

    Peace.
    , @AaronB
    I basically agree, see my response to Talha about the different types of hierarchies, good and bad.

    This does not mean the man has complete authority to impose his personal will on his wife for any reason - but that he is required to exercise his authority for the benefit of the family unit in a restrained manner using good judgement and following principles of justice and fairness, and that he is responsible to the community and God.

    In such a system, women have both input into the decision making as well as considerable influence and power in other ways over the family as a whole.

    One does not imagine the man in such a system enjoying his personal domination of others - but rather submitting to a heavy responsibility for the greater good.

    It is very very far from the kind of personal tyranny envisioned by roosh or heartiste, who clearly salivate over the prospect of personally controlling other prople, men or women.
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  105. Kimppis says:
    @Dmitry
    The question I was wondering today, is it worth buying a Nintendo Switch?

    Bloomberg was saying the PS5 is still not going to be released for a long time.

    1. The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?

    I haven’t been following the industry closely lately, as I’ve been more into retro gaming, but I have to say that the Switch’s success was and is a huge surprise. I thought I knew and understood the gaming industry and its trends quite well, but apparently not.

    Well, I suppose very few people expected the Wii U to flop as hard as it did and atleast the Switch is actually fully portable, but I just don’t understand the mass appeal of it at all, in 2018. Who are those people buying it?

    I mean I understand its appeal in Japan, the lifestyle there and all that, but in the West. WTF is going on? Is it for kids mainly? But don’t they already have their tablets and smartphones? And it’s not like the Switch is cheap, on the contrary, it’s massively overpriced in my opinion.

    So in the West, especially in the US (Nintendo is actually nowhere near as popular in Europe) we have: 1. the declining demographic of hardcore Nintendo fans (look at the sales trends from the original NES to Wii U, decline after every generation, the DS and Wii obviously don’t count) and especially look at the Wii U sales numbers… So how big is that Nintendo fan demographic? 10-20 million, maybe, 2. then we have PS4, Xbox One and PC with their third-party support. The PS4 especially has been a big success and 3. casual gamers that already have their mobile devices.

    So who are those people buying the Switch in their millions? Where were they when the Wii U was in the market? Or maybe even more interestingly, why didn’t those people buy more Playstation Vitas? As I said, it was probably inevitable that the Switch was going to do better than the Wii U, but I still predicted Xbox One or N64 numbers at best. I don’t understand this at all. Dedicated mass market handheld gaming should be almost dead, more of a niche market than ever before. What’s going on?

    2. The system itself and alternatives (This is like… my actual reply lol)

    That said, I really like handhelds myself and the PS Vita is one of the most underrated things ever, so I’m certainly going to pick up a Switch eventually. Those third-party ports, like Dark Souls, Doom and Wolfenstein look really interesting, and of course its Japanese offerings.

    However, I really think that the system is too expensive currently, it’s not worth much more than €200. So Dmitry, certainly don’t pay the full price for it. Also, in a typical Nintendo fashion game prices are probably going to remain high for most first-party titles, including for used copies.

    Looking at your PS4 collection, I’m not even sure whether you are really interested in Switch’s library of games. So if you’re not big into Japanesese games or handheld gaming, there are probably better options for you. How about a standard Xbox One? You could probably pick one up for cheap, especially used and it has all the Call of Dutys and GTAs. I haven’t read that Bloomberg article, but the PS5 probably won’t launch before 2020-21. One thing to keep in mind as well is that Nintendo might release an improved version of the Switch in a few years time.

    3. The current state of gaming and SJWs

    While I’ve never actually disliked Nintendo and its games, I really don’t have nostalgia for it either. Except Pokemon, I was born in the early 90s and around 99-01 Pokemon was the biggest thing ever. So I somehow and for some reason would really like them to go third-party. Nintendo (or rather, the NES) is terribly overrated in American retro gaming circles (and hence, on the Internet as a whole, gotta love that soft power influence) and Nintendo fanboys are very annoying.

    Although recent events and trends have sort of made me respect Nintendo (and even Japan) more. Looking at Western AAA gaming, it doesn’t look too good currently. There’s more and more focus on multiplayer and the game-as-service model and it seems that big-budget games are more Anglo and US centric than ever before as well (probably related to that “Europe can’t into big tech” issue), due to Japan’s relative decline and the total cucking of Europe.

    I’m not sure what happened, but I guess the European studios (10 to 20 years ago) were smaller on average, so they got more or less literally owned by the big American publishers, etc. (There are of course exceptions, like Poland’s CDPR. But even their next game is set… in the US.) And of course the worst trend of them all: SJWs. The mainstream gaming has been tainted big-time by them lately.

    Those readers who are not into gaming, I really suggest that even you watch this Battlefield 5 (aka Genderfield 5: Feminism Strikes Back) reveal trailer:

    Yes, that is really supposed to be WW2. The like-to-dislike ratio is impressive: 335K vs 470K. Which is even more amazing, considering how well their previous game was received, because it was set in WW1 (possibly the biggest… “entertainment product” about that conflict ever?). So they’ve lost a huge amount of goodwill among hardcore fans and gamers in general. This is how our neo-communists are going to rewrite history. It probably won’t come as a huge surprise that the game is developed in… Sweden.

    After explaining the creative reasoning, Soderlund moved into personal examples. “I have a 13-year-old daughter that when the trailer came out and she saw all the flak, she asked me, ‘Dad, why’s this happening?’” he continued. “She plays Fortnite, and says, ‘I can be a girl in Fortnite. Why are people so upset about this?’ … I just said, ‘You know what? You’re right. This is not ok.’ These are people who are uneducated – they don’t understand that this is a plausible scenario.

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    The lack of SJWness is probably the best thing about Japanese offerings and shows that stonewalling is an effective strategy at times. Don't fight the power. Just ignore it and pretend not to understand and eventually the mob wanders off to burn some other witch. Still love the response to Neir: Automata when the designer was criticized for having a goth-loli girl as a character.

    "But I like girls. Bye."

    Ah, if only we could do that here.

    , @Talha

    The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?
     
    I'm not sure, but my sons play FortNite on it if that means anything. I've heard FortNite is very popular.

    If it is, then perhaps it is the only mobile platform to play a very popular game.

    Peace.
    , @Dmitry
    Thanks.

    I didn't look at sales figures, but I don't think Nintendo Switch is so popular yet in Russia - because of its price and price of games hasn't fallen.

    I post on a forum and whenever Switch topic is discussed so far, it's been dozens a lot of angry (very angry) guys who hate it because the price, - and it just results in people whining about prices, and then other people calling them poorfags. It's better to ask on an American forum.

    I was thinking about buying instead the Xbox One X - it might be better for showing off a really good television. There's a lot of mixed reviews for XB1X though. And no Zelda.

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  106. Talha says:
    @AaronB
    I largely agree, but I do think simple cruelty and power over others plays a significant role in their motivations for many, although domination and validation - and isn't domination always about validation really? - is the primary factor for most.

    What disturbs me is that sociopathic behavior is gradually becoming mainstreamed - lots of tv shows glorify it, breaking bad, house of cards, sneaky Pete, etc.

    I know that sociopaths are supposed to be unconcerned with social approval, but in their own way I think they are people obsessed with it - otherwise, they would not care do much about status, wealth, and power. These things have no intrinsic value - they are primarily instruments of social approval.

    I think Jaakko has excellent points. I remember reading into the background of someone like Roosh and he didn’t seem to start out like Caligula or anything. He just seemed to be kind of a semi-dorky guy that was upset that a bunch of other guys were getting women and he was being left out – basically a potential-incel that decided to figure out how to get himself out of his hole.

    I don’t know how much cruelty there is, but there does seem to be a callous indifference in many of their actions. Every woman is simply a conquest, like some elusive prize at the end of a video game if you play it right. New and exotic countries are new frontiers for PUA.

    It seems chivalry was killed somewhere along the way (maybe finally decapitated with the sexual revolution) and the PUA rose up like a zombie in its place.

    The extreme position some of the ex-PUA take is eerily familiar to anyone who has read deeply into the kinds of people that join Daesh. These people are often those who were into clubbing, drugs, women – you name it. And at some point they turn around because they realize how empty it all is, but it isn’t a spiritual turn-about – it’s about revenge not repentance. Taking revenge on that society or institution or whatever that wasted their lives, that took their innocence, etc.

    For Daesh-fanboiz it’s the evil West and for many of these ex-PUAs, it seems to be evil women.

    What disturbs me is that sociopathic behavior is gradually becoming mainstreamed

    Yup – the popularity of movies like “Saw” should be a huge wake up call.

    less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you’re after

    Soon it may even be even less time and cost effective now that they have to compete with the new girl on the block:

    Peace.

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    I hear.

    When people enter into a social contract in order to accomplish a mutually beneficial goal that requires social organization to succeed then dominance hierarchies are natural and good.

    If I was an apprentice electrician say it would be retarded to not accept the authority of the master electrician.

    Society needs these kinds of mutually beneficial hierarchies.

    But when one person seeks to impose his will on another using force or treachery for his own benefit solely that is, it seems to me, they very quintessence and source of all evil in society.

    That's the tyrant.

    PUA is like the latter - an attempt by one party to use techniques of intimidation, undermining, and deceit in order to impose ones will on another for ones own benefit.

    As for PUAs veering from being playboys towards being extreme right wingers, I just see that as a natural development of the same impulse. The impulse to dominate and control others through force or deceit for your own benefit.

    It's a natural development. I don't think these people were ever innocent, and they did not get spoiled.

    I have known quite a few PUAs, asides from being bad with women lol they were all the types that enjoyed controlling other people.

    After meeting PUAs it became very clear that it did not work - I was puzzled by the attraction to it despite its complete ineffectiveness. It became clear that these men did not want a relationship not based on personal control and dominance.
    , @Toronto Russian

    Soon it may even be even less time and cost effective now that they have to compete with the new girl on the block
     
    https://youtu.be/IrrADTN-dvg
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  107. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The Bible is pretty clear on marriage. Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh. It can be, which is of course why the Medieval society you romanticize also placed many obligations and duties on husbands as part of exercising marital headship.

    And it's not just the Bible. The Roman Pater Familias had the power of life and death over his family.

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.

    And the men are commanded to submit to God – which means that you can’t stick your willy into everything you want to. God is also fairly clear on that.

    Which comes back to one of my earlier points; you cannot point to the Bible and ask women to conform while men take the back door out of its restrictions on their behavior. That kind of hypocrisy will be called out and women will fight it tooth and nail.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh.

    Agreed – it is also the basis of guardianship and protection.

    Peace.

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    Sure. The penalty for adultery is also quite clear--death.

    Sam Dickson, who has long been active in our movement, was an atheist as a young man. He has since returned to God. His observation is that man does not do well without someone above him to keep him centered.

    Though I will say Richard Dawkins seems like a decent fellow. One of the few atheists who isn't ugly inside and out.
    , @Bliss

    And the men are commanded to submit to God – which means that you can’t stick your willy into everything you want to.
     
    According to your holiest Scripture, the Quran, Allah says you can “stick your willy” at will into 4 easily divorceable (and beatable) wives, and as many slave girls as you can afford to buy. No need to spend a lot of time and energy using psychological tactics on women who don’t find you attractive, to get laid.

    Don’t pretend that’s a good deal for women.
    , @The Big Red Scary

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.
     
    In fact, traditional Christianity stresses mutual submission and taming of the ego. When I was first married, my parish priest told me over and over "Obey your wife. If she tells you to take an umbrella on the sunniest day of the year, shut up and take the umbrella." And he probably told my wife something similar.
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  108. inertial says:
    @for-the-record
    Here is some Hungarian nostalgia for you by a British writer who grew up in Hungary. It was meant to be a teaser for her book Goulash and Solidarity, which never found a publisher because (or so says her husband, the occasional RT columnist Neil Clark) UK publishers had no interest in accounts that showed any positive sides of life behind the Iron Curtain.

    Oppressive and grey? No, growing up under communism was the happiest time of my life

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221064/Oppressive-grey-No-growing-communism-happiest-time-life.html

    Thanks for the link. I can relate to that woman.

    Our voice – the voice of those whose lives were improved by communism – is seldom heard when it comes to discussions of what life was like behind the Iron Curtain.

    Instead, the accounts we hear in the West are nearly always from the perspectives of wealthy emigrés or anti-communist dissidents with an axe to grind.

    Yes, exactly. The Western narrative on Communist experience is awfully one-sided. I am no fun of the Communist system but even so this relentless propaganda rubs me the wrong way.

    Programming on Hungarian television reflected the regime’s priority to bring culture to the masses, with no dumbing down.

    Also true about the USSR. I don’t believe it was such a good thing. Everyone wants to be entertained at his own level. Dumb people need dumb entertainment. You can’t just pour high culture down their throats, they will turn you off. In Russia, they will begin drinking.

    In this light, kudos to the American culture. No one in the world is better at creating trash for dummies. People knock this but keeps the left side of the bell curve properly anesthetized.

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  109. @Kimppis
    1. The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?

    I haven't been following the industry closely lately, as I've been more into retro gaming, but I have to say that the Switch's success was and is a huge surprise. I thought I knew and understood the gaming industry and its trends quite well, but apparently not.

    Well, I suppose very few people expected the Wii U to flop as hard as it did and atleast the Switch is actually fully portable, but I just don't understand the mass appeal of it at all, in 2018. Who are those people buying it?

    I mean I understand its appeal in Japan, the lifestyle there and all that, but in the West. WTF is going on? Is it for kids mainly? But don't they already have their tablets and smartphones? And it's not like the Switch is cheap, on the contrary, it's massively overpriced in my opinion.

    So in the West, especially in the US (Nintendo is actually nowhere near as popular in Europe) we have: 1. the declining demographic of hardcore Nintendo fans (look at the sales trends from the original NES to Wii U, decline after every generation, the DS and Wii obviously don't count) and especially look at the Wii U sales numbers... So how big is that Nintendo fan demographic? 10-20 million, maybe, 2. then we have PS4, Xbox One and PC with their third-party support. The PS4 especially has been a big success and 3. casual gamers that already have their mobile devices.

    So who are those people buying the Switch in their millions? Where were they when the Wii U was in the market? Or maybe even more interestingly, why didn't those people buy more Playstation Vitas? As I said, it was probably inevitable that the Switch was going to do better than the Wii U, but I still predicted Xbox One or N64 numbers at best. I don't understand this at all. Dedicated mass market handheld gaming should be almost dead, more of a niche market than ever before. What's going on?

    2. The system itself and alternatives (This is like... my actual reply lol)

    That said, I really like handhelds myself and the PS Vita is one of the most underrated things ever, so I'm certainly going to pick up a Switch eventually. Those third-party ports, like Dark Souls, Doom and Wolfenstein look really interesting, and of course its Japanese offerings.

    However, I really think that the system is too expensive currently, it's not worth much more than €200. So Dmitry, certainly don't pay the full price for it. Also, in a typical Nintendo fashion game prices are probably going to remain high for most first-party titles, including for used copies.

    Looking at your PS4 collection, I'm not even sure whether you are really interested in Switch's library of games. So if you're not big into Japanesese games or handheld gaming, there are probably better options for you. How about a standard Xbox One? You could probably pick one up for cheap, especially used and it has all the Call of Dutys and GTAs. I haven't read that Bloomberg article, but the PS5 probably won't launch before 2020-21. One thing to keep in mind as well is that Nintendo might release an improved version of the Switch in a few years time.

    3. The current state of gaming and SJWs

    While I've never actually disliked Nintendo and its games, I really don't have nostalgia for it either. Except Pokemon, I was born in the early 90s and around 99-01 Pokemon was the biggest thing ever. So I somehow and for some reason would really like them to go third-party. Nintendo (or rather, the NES) is terribly overrated in American retro gaming circles (and hence, on the Internet as a whole, gotta love that soft power influence) and Nintendo fanboys are very annoying.

    Although recent events and trends have sort of made me respect Nintendo (and even Japan) more. Looking at Western AAA gaming, it doesn't look too good currently. There's more and more focus on multiplayer and the game-as-service model and it seems that big-budget games are more Anglo and US centric than ever before as well (probably related to that "Europe can't into big tech" issue), due to Japan's relative decline and the total cucking of Europe.

    I'm not sure what happened, but I guess the European studios (10 to 20 years ago) were smaller on average, so they got more or less literally owned by the big American publishers, etc. (There are of course exceptions, like Poland's CDPR. But even their next game is set... in the US.) And of course the worst trend of them all: SJWs. The mainstream gaming has been tainted big-time by them lately.

    Those readers who are not into gaming, I really suggest that even you watch this Battlefield 5 (aka Genderfield 5: Feminism Strikes Back) reveal trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1MR85XFOc&t=4s

    Yes, that is really supposed to be WW2. The like-to-dislike ratio is impressive: 335K vs 470K. Which is even more amazing, considering how well their previous game was received, because it was set in WW1 (possibly the biggest... "entertainment product" about that conflict ever?). So they've lost a huge amount of goodwill among hardcore fans and gamers in general. This is how our neo-communists are going to rewrite history. It probably won't come as a huge surprise that the game is developed in... Sweden.


    After explaining the creative reasoning, Soderlund moved into personal examples. “I have a 13-year-old daughter that when the trailer came out and she saw all the flak, she asked me, ‘Dad, why’s this happening?'” he continued. “She plays Fortnite, and says, ‘I can be a girl in Fortnite. Why are people so upset about this?’ … I just said, ‘You know what? You’re right. This is not ok.’ These are people who are uneducated – they don’t understand that this is a plausible scenario.
     

    The lack of SJWness is probably the best thing about Japanese offerings and shows that stonewalling is an effective strategy at times. Don’t fight the power. Just ignore it and pretend not to understand and eventually the mob wanders off to burn some other witch. Still love the response to Neir: Automata when the designer was criticized for having a goth-loli girl as a character.

    “But I like girls. Bye.”

    Ah, if only we could do that here.

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    I think there is some level of infiltration among Japanese companies, probably mostly predicated on the international/US market and social media. The recent Mario game has blacks in the city wearing a conservative-style dress which predates their arrival into cities in any significant numbers. Probably not politically possible to create a simulacrum of a NYC-style city without blacks, I suppose. Also, there are more gay characters, in Japanese games then is desirable. Though, in general the product is less-PC, and therefore more desirable.

    One of those Nintendo guys even made some SJW comment, back when Trump was trying to ban immigration from certain Muslim countries. Of course, very non-sequitur coming from a Japanese. I forget the exact quote, but in spirit he was defending the right of infinite Somalis to immigrate to the US, and pretending as though they have economic value to the software development industry.

    I'm reminded a little about how Nintendo previously dived into politics in the US in some congressional hearing on violence in video games, in the era of Mortal Kombat, trying to boost the narrative to sell their product. Although the guy who testified for Nintendo was a Westerner, and it may have been his ass-kissing strategy, rather than coming from Japanese HQ.
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  110. @Kimppis
    How are Ukrainian wages that high anyway!? The country seems like an outlier, although many poor Balkan countries look weird as well. Both Ukraine's nominal and PPP GDP per capita are many times lower than Russia's, for instance. Ukrotriumph? Their living standards aren't really low after all? Or is that map BS?

    I’ve noticed it too. Wages in the Ukraine seem to have recovered much faster, than GDP. Some weird shit is going on, and it will probably end badly for the Ukraine.

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  111. Talha says:
    @Kimppis
    1. The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?

    I haven't been following the industry closely lately, as I've been more into retro gaming, but I have to say that the Switch's success was and is a huge surprise. I thought I knew and understood the gaming industry and its trends quite well, but apparently not.

    Well, I suppose very few people expected the Wii U to flop as hard as it did and atleast the Switch is actually fully portable, but I just don't understand the mass appeal of it at all, in 2018. Who are those people buying it?

    I mean I understand its appeal in Japan, the lifestyle there and all that, but in the West. WTF is going on? Is it for kids mainly? But don't they already have their tablets and smartphones? And it's not like the Switch is cheap, on the contrary, it's massively overpriced in my opinion.

    So in the West, especially in the US (Nintendo is actually nowhere near as popular in Europe) we have: 1. the declining demographic of hardcore Nintendo fans (look at the sales trends from the original NES to Wii U, decline after every generation, the DS and Wii obviously don't count) and especially look at the Wii U sales numbers... So how big is that Nintendo fan demographic? 10-20 million, maybe, 2. then we have PS4, Xbox One and PC with their third-party support. The PS4 especially has been a big success and 3. casual gamers that already have their mobile devices.

    So who are those people buying the Switch in their millions? Where were they when the Wii U was in the market? Or maybe even more interestingly, why didn't those people buy more Playstation Vitas? As I said, it was probably inevitable that the Switch was going to do better than the Wii U, but I still predicted Xbox One or N64 numbers at best. I don't understand this at all. Dedicated mass market handheld gaming should be almost dead, more of a niche market than ever before. What's going on?

    2. The system itself and alternatives (This is like... my actual reply lol)

    That said, I really like handhelds myself and the PS Vita is one of the most underrated things ever, so I'm certainly going to pick up a Switch eventually. Those third-party ports, like Dark Souls, Doom and Wolfenstein look really interesting, and of course its Japanese offerings.

    However, I really think that the system is too expensive currently, it's not worth much more than €200. So Dmitry, certainly don't pay the full price for it. Also, in a typical Nintendo fashion game prices are probably going to remain high for most first-party titles, including for used copies.

    Looking at your PS4 collection, I'm not even sure whether you are really interested in Switch's library of games. So if you're not big into Japanesese games or handheld gaming, there are probably better options for you. How about a standard Xbox One? You could probably pick one up for cheap, especially used and it has all the Call of Dutys and GTAs. I haven't read that Bloomberg article, but the PS5 probably won't launch before 2020-21. One thing to keep in mind as well is that Nintendo might release an improved version of the Switch in a few years time.

    3. The current state of gaming and SJWs

    While I've never actually disliked Nintendo and its games, I really don't have nostalgia for it either. Except Pokemon, I was born in the early 90s and around 99-01 Pokemon was the biggest thing ever. So I somehow and for some reason would really like them to go third-party. Nintendo (or rather, the NES) is terribly overrated in American retro gaming circles (and hence, on the Internet as a whole, gotta love that soft power influence) and Nintendo fanboys are very annoying.

    Although recent events and trends have sort of made me respect Nintendo (and even Japan) more. Looking at Western AAA gaming, it doesn't look too good currently. There's more and more focus on multiplayer and the game-as-service model and it seems that big-budget games are more Anglo and US centric than ever before as well (probably related to that "Europe can't into big tech" issue), due to Japan's relative decline and the total cucking of Europe.

    I'm not sure what happened, but I guess the European studios (10 to 20 years ago) were smaller on average, so they got more or less literally owned by the big American publishers, etc. (There are of course exceptions, like Poland's CDPR. But even their next game is set... in the US.) And of course the worst trend of them all: SJWs. The mainstream gaming has been tainted big-time by them lately.

    Those readers who are not into gaming, I really suggest that even you watch this Battlefield 5 (aka Genderfield 5: Feminism Strikes Back) reveal trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1MR85XFOc&t=4s

    Yes, that is really supposed to be WW2. The like-to-dislike ratio is impressive: 335K vs 470K. Which is even more amazing, considering how well their previous game was received, because it was set in WW1 (possibly the biggest... "entertainment product" about that conflict ever?). So they've lost a huge amount of goodwill among hardcore fans and gamers in general. This is how our neo-communists are going to rewrite history. It probably won't come as a huge surprise that the game is developed in... Sweden.


    After explaining the creative reasoning, Soderlund moved into personal examples. “I have a 13-year-old daughter that when the trailer came out and she saw all the flak, she asked me, ‘Dad, why’s this happening?'” he continued. “She plays Fortnite, and says, ‘I can be a girl in Fortnite. Why are people so upset about this?’ … I just said, ‘You know what? You’re right. This is not ok.’ These are people who are uneducated – they don’t understand that this is a plausible scenario.
     

    The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?

    I’m not sure, but my sons play FortNite on it if that means anything. I’ve heard FortNite is very popular.

    If it is, then perhaps it is the only mobile platform to play a very popular game.

    Peace.

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    I’ve heard FortNite is very popular.
     
    My grandmother asked me what it was last week (I didn't know).
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I hate FortNite and don't know how it got so popular. The ultimate distillation of mindless FPS with a strong gambling component, I suppose.

    The SJWness of it - the fact that you can't even pick your sex, really annoys me.

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  112. DFH says:

    Altogether, 152 students from 118 countries took part in China-based heats throughout, with five, Ruslan (鲁斯兰)from Russia, Anthony Ebuka (丁家明) from Nigeria, Guan Huimin (关慧敏) from Indonesia, Theodore Joseph (司腾) from Australia, and John Gardner (柯鲁瀚) from the US, making it to the championship round. The five winners were also crowned champion of their respective continents.

    Civic Chinese Imperialism or another data-point in favour of Igbo Supremacism?

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  113. DFH says:
    @Talha

    The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?
     
    I'm not sure, but my sons play FortNite on it if that means anything. I've heard FortNite is very popular.

    If it is, then perhaps it is the only mobile platform to play a very popular game.

    Peace.

    I’ve heard FortNite is very popular.

    My grandmother asked me what it was last week (I didn’t know).

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  114. @Talha

    The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?
     
    I'm not sure, but my sons play FortNite on it if that means anything. I've heard FortNite is very popular.

    If it is, then perhaps it is the only mobile platform to play a very popular game.

    Peace.

    I hate FortNite and don’t know how it got so popular. The ultimate distillation of mindless FPS with a strong gambling component, I suppose.

    The SJWness of it – the fact that you can’t even pick your sex, really annoys me.

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    I hate FortNite and don’t know how it got so popular.
     
    The kids seem to like it - it might have to do with a low bar for entry, the controls don't seem super complicated and it isn't very violent so I don't even mind my youngest son playing a few rounds. My boys play on teams with their friends and apparently it matches them up against people of their skill level - no idea how they determine this (maybe from kill count, shot accuracy, etc.), but that's what they tell me - so it doesn't get boring. I don't know what the age range for it is. Last game I enjoyed of this kind was HALO (wasn't very good though) and then they just became complicated and I had kids...

    They have no clue about the SJW stuff right now. The boys tend to pick avatars that look like ninjas, saboteurs or some other combination of cyber-punk, robot madness. I'd get worried if they were playing as one of the female characters though.

    Peace.
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  115. AaronB says:
    @Talha
    I think Jaakko has excellent points. I remember reading into the background of someone like Roosh and he didn't seem to start out like Caligula or anything. He just seemed to be kind of a semi-dorky guy that was upset that a bunch of other guys were getting women and he was being left out - basically a potential-incel that decided to figure out how to get himself out of his hole.

    I don't know how much cruelty there is, but there does seem to be a callous indifference in many of their actions. Every woman is simply a conquest, like some elusive prize at the end of a video game if you play it right. New and exotic countries are new frontiers for PUA.

    It seems chivalry was killed somewhere along the way (maybe finally decapitated with the sexual revolution) and the PUA rose up like a zombie in its place.

    The extreme position some of the ex-PUA take is eerily familiar to anyone who has read deeply into the kinds of people that join Daesh. These people are often those who were into clubbing, drugs, women - you name it. And at some point they turn around because they realize how empty it all is, but it isn't a spiritual turn-about - it's about revenge not repentance. Taking revenge on that society or institution or whatever that wasted their lives, that took their innocence, etc.

    For Daesh-fanboiz it's the evil West and for many of these ex-PUAs, it seems to be evil women.

    What disturbs me is that sociopathic behavior is gradually becoming mainstreamed
     
    Yup - the popularity of movies like "Saw" should be a huge wake up call.

    less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you’re after
     
    Soon it may even be even less time and cost effective now that they have to compete with the new girl on the block:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZC4thA3baE

    Peace.

    I hear.

    When people enter into a social contract in order to accomplish a mutually beneficial goal that requires social organization to succeed then dominance hierarchies are natural and good.

    If I was an apprentice electrician say it would be retarded to not accept the authority of the master electrician.

    Society needs these kinds of mutually beneficial hierarchies.

    But when one person seeks to impose his will on another using force or treachery for his own benefit solely that is, it seems to me, they very quintessence and source of all evil in society.

    That’s the tyrant.

    PUA is like the latter – an attempt by one party to use techniques of intimidation, undermining, and deceit in order to impose ones will on another for ones own benefit.

    As for PUAs veering from being playboys towards being extreme right wingers, I just see that as a natural development of the same impulse. The impulse to dominate and control others through force or deceit for your own benefit.

    It’s a natural development. I don’t think these people were ever innocent, and they did not get spoiled.

    I have known quite a few PUAs, asides from being bad with women lol they were all the types that enjoyed controlling other people.

    After meeting PUAs it became very clear that it did not work – I was puzzled by the attraction to it despite its complete ineffectiveness. It became clear that these men did not want a relationship not based on personal control and dominance.

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    I think its obvious that you met with unsuccessful examples of a group which naturally will exhibit bitter tendencies. This has less to do with their chosen beliefs and more to do with the fact that they are natural losers.
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  116. @Talha
    I think Jaakko has excellent points. I remember reading into the background of someone like Roosh and he didn't seem to start out like Caligula or anything. He just seemed to be kind of a semi-dorky guy that was upset that a bunch of other guys were getting women and he was being left out - basically a potential-incel that decided to figure out how to get himself out of his hole.

    I don't know how much cruelty there is, but there does seem to be a callous indifference in many of their actions. Every woman is simply a conquest, like some elusive prize at the end of a video game if you play it right. New and exotic countries are new frontiers for PUA.

    It seems chivalry was killed somewhere along the way (maybe finally decapitated with the sexual revolution) and the PUA rose up like a zombie in its place.

    The extreme position some of the ex-PUA take is eerily familiar to anyone who has read deeply into the kinds of people that join Daesh. These people are often those who were into clubbing, drugs, women - you name it. And at some point they turn around because they realize how empty it all is, but it isn't a spiritual turn-about - it's about revenge not repentance. Taking revenge on that society or institution or whatever that wasted their lives, that took their innocence, etc.

    For Daesh-fanboiz it's the evil West and for many of these ex-PUAs, it seems to be evil women.

    What disturbs me is that sociopathic behavior is gradually becoming mainstreamed
     
    Yup - the popularity of movies like "Saw" should be a huge wake up call.

    less cost and time effective than simply paying a prostitute, if sex is what you’re after
     
    Soon it may even be even less time and cost effective now that they have to compete with the new girl on the block:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZC4thA3baE

    Peace.

    Soon it may even be even less time and cost effective now that they have to compete with the new girl on the block

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    LOOOL! There's a lot of truth in that public service announcement though! Thanks!

    Peace.
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  117. @Talha

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.
     
    And the men are commanded to submit to God - which means that you can't stick your willy into everything you want to. God is also fairly clear on that.

    Which comes back to one of my earlier points; you cannot point to the Bible and ask women to conform while men take the back door out of its restrictions on their behavior. That kind of hypocrisy will be called out and women will fight it tooth and nail.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh.
     
    Agreed - it is also the basis of guardianship and protection.

    Peace.

    Sure. The penalty for adultery is also quite clear–death.

    Sam Dickson, who has long been active in our movement, was an atheist as a young man. He has since returned to God. His observation is that man does not do well without someone above him to keep him centered.

    Though I will say Richard Dawkins seems like a decent fellow. One of the few atheists who isn’t ugly inside and out.

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  118. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The Bible is pretty clear on marriage. Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh. It can be, which is of course why the Medieval society you romanticize also placed many obligations and duties on husbands as part of exercising marital headship.

    And it's not just the Bible. The Roman Pater Familias had the power of life and death over his family.

    I basically agree, see my response to Talha about the different types of hierarchies, good and bad.

    This does not mean the man has complete authority to impose his personal will on his wife for any reason – but that he is required to exercise his authority for the benefit of the family unit in a restrained manner using good judgement and following principles of justice and fairness, and that he is responsible to the community and God.

    In such a system, women have both input into the decision making as well as considerable influence and power in other ways over the family as a whole.

    One does not imagine the man in such a system enjoying his personal domination of others – but rather submitting to a heavy responsibility for the greater good.

    It is very very far from the kind of personal tyranny envisioned by roosh or heartiste, who clearly salivate over the prospect of personally controlling other prople, men or women.

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    I like leading people and have a born talent for it.

    The heavy responsibility is, of course, leading people unselfishly.

    Heartiste/Roissy may be as you say (but I'll give him a pass as he is the single most talented writer of the 21st century). Roosh is not.

    Recent piece by Roosh: http://www.rooshv.com/pick-only-one-for-your-society-pre-marital-sex-or-marriage

    Also worth noting that Roosh's sister died of cancer this year and he was close with her: http://www.rooshv.com/goodbye-sister
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  119. @AaronB
    I hear.

    When people enter into a social contract in order to accomplish a mutually beneficial goal that requires social organization to succeed then dominance hierarchies are natural and good.

    If I was an apprentice electrician say it would be retarded to not accept the authority of the master electrician.

    Society needs these kinds of mutually beneficial hierarchies.

    But when one person seeks to impose his will on another using force or treachery for his own benefit solely that is, it seems to me, they very quintessence and source of all evil in society.

    That's the tyrant.

    PUA is like the latter - an attempt by one party to use techniques of intimidation, undermining, and deceit in order to impose ones will on another for ones own benefit.

    As for PUAs veering from being playboys towards being extreme right wingers, I just see that as a natural development of the same impulse. The impulse to dominate and control others through force or deceit for your own benefit.

    It's a natural development. I don't think these people were ever innocent, and they did not get spoiled.

    I have known quite a few PUAs, asides from being bad with women lol they were all the types that enjoyed controlling other people.

    After meeting PUAs it became very clear that it did not work - I was puzzled by the attraction to it despite its complete ineffectiveness. It became clear that these men did not want a relationship not based on personal control and dominance.

    I think its obvious that you met with unsuccessful examples of a group which naturally will exhibit bitter tendencies. This has less to do with their chosen beliefs and more to do with the fact that they are natural losers.

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    Could be. Tough to say.
    , @Bliss

    This has less to do with their chosen beliefs and more to do with the fact that they are natural losers.
     
    That’s funny coming from a guy who says that PUA ‘saved his life’....
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  120. Dmitry says:
    @Kimppis
    1. The success of the Switch. Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?

    I haven't been following the industry closely lately, as I've been more into retro gaming, but I have to say that the Switch's success was and is a huge surprise. I thought I knew and understood the gaming industry and its trends quite well, but apparently not.

    Well, I suppose very few people expected the Wii U to flop as hard as it did and atleast the Switch is actually fully portable, but I just don't understand the mass appeal of it at all, in 2018. Who are those people buying it?

    I mean I understand its appeal in Japan, the lifestyle there and all that, but in the West. WTF is going on? Is it for kids mainly? But don't they already have their tablets and smartphones? And it's not like the Switch is cheap, on the contrary, it's massively overpriced in my opinion.

    So in the West, especially in the US (Nintendo is actually nowhere near as popular in Europe) we have: 1. the declining demographic of hardcore Nintendo fans (look at the sales trends from the original NES to Wii U, decline after every generation, the DS and Wii obviously don't count) and especially look at the Wii U sales numbers... So how big is that Nintendo fan demographic? 10-20 million, maybe, 2. then we have PS4, Xbox One and PC with their third-party support. The PS4 especially has been a big success and 3. casual gamers that already have their mobile devices.

    So who are those people buying the Switch in their millions? Where were they when the Wii U was in the market? Or maybe even more interestingly, why didn't those people buy more Playstation Vitas? As I said, it was probably inevitable that the Switch was going to do better than the Wii U, but I still predicted Xbox One or N64 numbers at best. I don't understand this at all. Dedicated mass market handheld gaming should be almost dead, more of a niche market than ever before. What's going on?

    2. The system itself and alternatives (This is like... my actual reply lol)

    That said, I really like handhelds myself and the PS Vita is one of the most underrated things ever, so I'm certainly going to pick up a Switch eventually. Those third-party ports, like Dark Souls, Doom and Wolfenstein look really interesting, and of course its Japanese offerings.

    However, I really think that the system is too expensive currently, it's not worth much more than €200. So Dmitry, certainly don't pay the full price for it. Also, in a typical Nintendo fashion game prices are probably going to remain high for most first-party titles, including for used copies.

    Looking at your PS4 collection, I'm not even sure whether you are really interested in Switch's library of games. So if you're not big into Japanesese games or handheld gaming, there are probably better options for you. How about a standard Xbox One? You could probably pick one up for cheap, especially used and it has all the Call of Dutys and GTAs. I haven't read that Bloomberg article, but the PS5 probably won't launch before 2020-21. One thing to keep in mind as well is that Nintendo might release an improved version of the Switch in a few years time.

    3. The current state of gaming and SJWs

    While I've never actually disliked Nintendo and its games, I really don't have nostalgia for it either. Except Pokemon, I was born in the early 90s and around 99-01 Pokemon was the biggest thing ever. So I somehow and for some reason would really like them to go third-party. Nintendo (or rather, the NES) is terribly overrated in American retro gaming circles (and hence, on the Internet as a whole, gotta love that soft power influence) and Nintendo fanboys are very annoying.

    Although recent events and trends have sort of made me respect Nintendo (and even Japan) more. Looking at Western AAA gaming, it doesn't look too good currently. There's more and more focus on multiplayer and the game-as-service model and it seems that big-budget games are more Anglo and US centric than ever before as well (probably related to that "Europe can't into big tech" issue), due to Japan's relative decline and the total cucking of Europe.

    I'm not sure what happened, but I guess the European studios (10 to 20 years ago) were smaller on average, so they got more or less literally owned by the big American publishers, etc. (There are of course exceptions, like Poland's CDPR. But even their next game is set... in the US.) And of course the worst trend of them all: SJWs. The mainstream gaming has been tainted big-time by them lately.

    Those readers who are not into gaming, I really suggest that even you watch this Battlefield 5 (aka Genderfield 5: Feminism Strikes Back) reveal trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1MR85XFOc&t=4s

    Yes, that is really supposed to be WW2. The like-to-dislike ratio is impressive: 335K vs 470K. Which is even more amazing, considering how well their previous game was received, because it was set in WW1 (possibly the biggest... "entertainment product" about that conflict ever?). So they've lost a huge amount of goodwill among hardcore fans and gamers in general. This is how our neo-communists are going to rewrite history. It probably won't come as a huge surprise that the game is developed in... Sweden.


    After explaining the creative reasoning, Soderlund moved into personal examples. “I have a 13-year-old daughter that when the trailer came out and she saw all the flak, she asked me, ‘Dad, why’s this happening?'” he continued. “She plays Fortnite, and says, ‘I can be a girl in Fortnite. Why are people so upset about this?’ … I just said, ‘You know what? You’re right. This is not ok.’ These are people who are uneducated – they don’t understand that this is a plausible scenario.
     

    Thanks.

    I didn’t look at sales figures, but I don’t think Nintendo Switch is so popular yet in Russia – because of its price and price of games hasn’t fallen.

    I post on a forum and whenever Switch topic is discussed so far, it’s been dozens a lot of angry (very angry) guys who hate it because the price, – and it just results in people whining about prices, and then other people calling them poorfags. It’s better to ask on an American forum.

    I was thinking about buying instead the Xbox One X – it might be better for showing off a really good television. There’s a lot of mixed reviews for XB1X though. And no Zelda.

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  121. @AaronB
    I basically agree, see my response to Talha about the different types of hierarchies, good and bad.

    This does not mean the man has complete authority to impose his personal will on his wife for any reason - but that he is required to exercise his authority for the benefit of the family unit in a restrained manner using good judgement and following principles of justice and fairness, and that he is responsible to the community and God.

    In such a system, women have both input into the decision making as well as considerable influence and power in other ways over the family as a whole.

    One does not imagine the man in such a system enjoying his personal domination of others - but rather submitting to a heavy responsibility for the greater good.

    It is very very far from the kind of personal tyranny envisioned by roosh or heartiste, who clearly salivate over the prospect of personally controlling other prople, men or women.

    I like leading people and have a born talent for it.

    The heavy responsibility is, of course, leading people unselfishly.

    Heartiste/Roissy may be as you say (but I’ll give him a pass as he is the single most talented writer of the 21st century). Roosh is not.

    Recent piece by Roosh: http://www.rooshv.com/pick-only-one-for-your-society-pre-marital-sex-or-marriage

    Also worth noting that Roosh’s sister died of cancer this year and he was close with her: http://www.rooshv.com/goodbye-sister

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    Leading people and having a talent for it is fine, even necessary - imposing your will on people through force or deceit for your own personal benefit, and delighting in it, is a different thing.

    Heartiste is a moral sewer - his writing style is full of extreme histrionics and hyperventilating. Not my taste. He strikes me as a weak man, and he also worships women but in a negative way.

    Roosh is a broken man - but he has always had sociopathic tendencies. I had an email exchange with him in 2010 or thereabouts - he tried a bunch of sociopathic tricks on me. I strongly suspect his image is carefully curated.
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  122. @Polish Perspective

    Britcucks
     
    https://i.imgur.com/LcM85wB.jpg

    The 'Eternal Anglo' meme was not created out of thin air. Anyone knowing anything about the history of SA also knows that the Anglos backstabbed the Boers more than any other. It also solidifies my opinion of the UK as the single worst major Western European country.

    While France and Germany have their problems, would we see a government minister come out like this in any of those countries?

    https://i.imgur.com/XhiijnW.jpg


    Tesla
     
    I'm glad you're finally coming back to life, Thor, after I posted a series of news of Tesla shorts losing billions and where you were mysteriously silent ;)

    Musk backed away from the private funding because he was told by existing institutional investors, not because there was no money. The SEC investigation will go nowhere. This is also why your "tesla will go bankrupt" bet is yet another money loser, if things go haywire, Musk can always go private because the funding is there. It would also give me a guaranteed sell price at $420 or thereabouts whereas I bought the stocks at $280.

    That said, the problems at Tesla remain what they were for years. Musk is A) overstretched between two very demanding companies and B) he is an extremely ambitious man. He's going to introduce four new models in the new few years (Tesla Truck, Tesla Pickup, Tesla Model Y and Tesla Roadster). He is also going to try to build a new factory in China, which is now not even needing to share ownership because of the new Chinese rules regarding EVs. If he would just calm down and allow the current pipeline to be optimised it wouldn't be a problem. But then again, he is Elon Musk, he's constantly in a hurry. My guess is that he'll likely go private in the end, get the big cash infusion needed to do all the models/capital buildout and then just burn the costs down and start acting like a normal car company (5% growth instead of insane 50% growth rates).


    TURKEY. After its devaluation, it now has Europe’s third lowest wage after the Ukraine and Moldova.
     
    Well, do we now use nominal prices when it suits us or do we stick with PPP? Sort of reminds me of Felix using nominal GDP per capita to diss Ukraine but insisting on using PPP for Russia. FWIW, here's the PPP-adjusted picture.

    https://i.imgur.com/93RY1ND.png

    The map is still flawed for at least two reasons.

    1. It isn't normalised for working hours. Poles work close to 2050 annual hours (Russia is similar) but Czechs work 200-250 hours less. So, per hour worked wages in Czechia is higher.
    2. It is based on average instead of median. Countries with lower GINI inequality will do better whereas average wage maps tend to make highly inequal countries (such as Russia) come off as better. This is also true for Poland, but for a lesser extent. Czechia and Slovenia both have lower inequality than Poland.

    But it's still better than nominal maps.

    This “PPP-adjusted” map implies that Belarus is more prosperous than Russia, and pretty much on the level of Portugal. However, economic powerhouse Azerbaijan leaves them all in the dust. And Polish wages are almost as high as wages in Britain – a country where they emigrate en mass to work as bartenders.

    But it’s still better than nominal maps.

    In what way? It fails to explain economic migration for example.

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    I disagree with some of the assessments there - Romania is certainly still poorer than Portugal according to my observations, for instance - but I think that's a flawed argument.

    A Pole can still emigrate to Britain for work, spend little on himself while earning a lot of nominal currency, then take it back with him to enjoy much greater purchasing power in Poland.

    Indeed, in most of Eastern Europe, people who can do this sort of arbitrage may well have higher living standards than normie wagecucks in the West.
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  123. More on Tesla

    Musk is now alleging that rogue Tesla employees are acting as paid saboteurs on behalf of short sellers.

    And he’s about to get sued for libel:

    When Tesla goes to zero Polish Perspective should be required to change his name to Baggy Perspective. :D

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  124. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB
    Daniel, every theory of man woman relations implies a social system.

    If you believe women wish to be "dominated" - the basic premise of PUA - this implies a particular social system.

    If you believe women want to share power, even if in different areas, and want to be treated with love, kindness, and respect, that implies an entirely different social organization.

    Desiring to dominate another human being isn't morally neutral - it's probably the essence of evil, as well as driven by personal weakness.

    I'm not accusing you of these attributes, so don't take it personally - I have no idea how you personally "implemented" PUA, and it's likely your wife found you endearing despite your attempts to be dominant, not because of them. You seem to have other morally worthwhile qualities.

    But the theory is evil.

    I don’t know about this terminology.

    But AaronB is true, and describing psychopaths/sociopaths, narcissists (and some other personality disorders) – as known in clinical psychology.

    Dating shouldn’t be very complicated – either you go well with a girl (boy) or not.

    But psychopath falsifies their real personality, and presents mask of whatever is suitable for whoever they meet. And once some sentimental attraction is there, just using it as levers of power like a parasite.

    Obviously it is a spectrum, and a lot of them are not very extreme.

    Notice a lot weird girls like this in a moderate way, trying to use manipulation just in the way they send whatsapp messages. “Oh you sent message at 1am. You are a nightowl like me!” (From girl that goes to bed early).

    In a perfect world, psychopaths would be detected early and can live in a psychiatric hospital.

    But people with just moderate, manipulation personalities, are inevitable, and could probably be reformed when clinical psychology becomes more developed.

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    Dating shouldn’t be very complicated – either you go well with a girl (boy) or not.
     
    This is true. We really need to stop thinking about this stuff.
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  125. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I like leading people and have a born talent for it.

    The heavy responsibility is, of course, leading people unselfishly.

    Heartiste/Roissy may be as you say (but I'll give him a pass as he is the single most talented writer of the 21st century). Roosh is not.

    Recent piece by Roosh: http://www.rooshv.com/pick-only-one-for-your-society-pre-marital-sex-or-marriage

    Also worth noting that Roosh's sister died of cancer this year and he was close with her: http://www.rooshv.com/goodbye-sister

    Leading people and having a talent for it is fine, even necessary – imposing your will on people through force or deceit for your own personal benefit, and delighting in it, is a different thing.

    Heartiste is a moral sewer – his writing style is full of extreme histrionics and hyperventilating. Not my taste. He strikes me as a weak man, and he also worships women but in a negative way.

    Roosh is a broken man – but he has always had sociopathic tendencies. I had an email exchange with him in 2010 or thereabouts – he tried a bunch of sociopathic tricks on me. I strongly suspect his image is carefully curated.

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    I don't think heartiste is one person and I'm pretty sure the original writer is long gone. I think someone bought the blog from the original man after he exploded in popularity and it has been used only for spreading political propaganda for years. The original blog didn't write about racial politics at all.

    Once the politics stuff started those posts had a completely different style (and that's when the histrionics started and the humor disappeared). The comment section also changed, originally it had a bunch of the authors real life friends (many of them black) and the quality of discussion was pretty good. It has been an angry white nationalist sewer for years now.
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  126. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I think its obvious that you met with unsuccessful examples of a group which naturally will exhibit bitter tendencies. This has less to do with their chosen beliefs and more to do with the fact that they are natural losers.

    Could be. Tough to say.

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    PUA is not super-duper moral - the closest I can think of of the founder is Mystery, who was an illusionist by profession. But neither was it evul; in many ways, his life is very Casanova-like, and there was an element of light silliness and playfulness to how he led his life, and how he taught other guys. He believed that an illusionist used deception to illustrate fundamental truths about people, and so for example, women actually did want to have sex but by playing around with deceptions, he allowed them to be their truer, more gentle and giving selves. Well, that's me being generous to him. But even being ungenerous to him, he just enjoyed the seduction process a great deal and wanted to understand it, to find out the "rules" of the "Game."

    He never expressed any interest in domination like you suggest, so its just weird as heck.

    I actually think that you'd like him.
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  127. @Felix Keverich
    https://i.imgur.com/93RY1ND.png

    This "PPP-adjusted" map implies that Belarus is more prosperous than Russia, and pretty much on the level of Portugal. However, economic powerhouse Azerbaijan leaves them all in the dust. And Polish wages are almost as high as wages in Britain - a country where they emigrate en mass to work as bartenders.

    But it’s still better than nominal maps.
     
    In what way? It fails to explain economic migration for example.

    I disagree with some of the assessments there – Romania is certainly still poorer than Portugal according to my observations, for instance – but I think that’s a flawed argument.

    A Pole can still emigrate to Britain for work, spend little on himself while earning a lot of nominal currency, then take it back with him to enjoy much greater purchasing power in Poland.

    Indeed, in most of Eastern Europe, people who can do this sort of arbitrage may well have higher living standards than normie wagecucks in the West.

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    Yes, very much so. A few years ago I rented an apartment in Yerevan from a guy who did a stint as a forklift driver in some provincial shithole in east anglia; he eventually got fed up with this once he'd saved up enough money and went back to being a senior civil servant there, getting paid practically nothing. This apartment was the local equivalent of a Manhatten penthouse. People from there who work in finance in the west but still live out east can have a lifestlye comparable to gulf-arab sheiks.
    , @Felix Keverich
    I've never heard of such thing. This doesn't sound like something an actual person, who works for a living, would do. I mean, just look at AP. Definitely uncommon.

    Consider the fact that a typical Eastern European migrant will not be earning the average wage in Britain. His wage will be closer to minimum wage. He will also need to pay rent, which is much higher in Britain than in Poland, buy food, and cover other expenses. He won't be in the position to save much at all.

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  128. @AaronB
    Could be. Tough to say.

    PUA is not super-duper moral – the closest I can think of of the founder is Mystery, who was an illusionist by profession. But neither was it evul; in many ways, his life is very Casanova-like, and there was an element of light silliness and playfulness to how he led his life, and how he taught other guys. He believed that an illusionist used deception to illustrate fundamental truths about people, and so for example, women actually did want to have sex but by playing around with deceptions, he allowed them to be their truer, more gentle and giving selves. Well, that’s me being generous to him. But even being ungenerous to him, he just enjoyed the seduction process a great deal and wanted to understand it, to find out the “rules” of the “Game.”

    He never expressed any interest in domination like you suggest, so its just weird as heck.

    I actually think that you’d like him.

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    The rules of the Game are - approach women and talk to them. Don't be afraid. Assortative mating will take care of the rest :)

    Be nice to people - good people you are meant to be with will be nice to you back. Bad people you don't need in your life anyways.

    We complicate things too much in modern life.
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  129. g2k says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I disagree with some of the assessments there - Romania is certainly still poorer than Portugal according to my observations, for instance - but I think that's a flawed argument.

    A Pole can still emigrate to Britain for work, spend little on himself while earning a lot of nominal currency, then take it back with him to enjoy much greater purchasing power in Poland.

    Indeed, in most of Eastern Europe, people who can do this sort of arbitrage may well have higher living standards than normie wagecucks in the West.

    Yes, very much so. A few years ago I rented an apartment in Yerevan from a guy who did a stint as a forklift driver in some provincial shithole in east anglia; he eventually got fed up with this once he’d saved up enough money and went back to being a senior civil servant there, getting paid practically nothing. This apartment was the local equivalent of a Manhatten penthouse. People from there who work in finance in the west but still live out east can have a lifestlye comparable to gulf-arab sheiks.

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    LOL I reckon it was the civil servant job that paid for the apartment.
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  130. Talha says:
    @Toronto Russian

    Soon it may even be even less time and cost effective now that they have to compete with the new girl on the block
     
    https://youtu.be/IrrADTN-dvg

    LOOOL! There’s a lot of truth in that public service announcement though! Thanks!

    Peace.

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  131. @Anatoly Karlin
    I disagree with some of the assessments there - Romania is certainly still poorer than Portugal according to my observations, for instance - but I think that's a flawed argument.

    A Pole can still emigrate to Britain for work, spend little on himself while earning a lot of nominal currency, then take it back with him to enjoy much greater purchasing power in Poland.

    Indeed, in most of Eastern Europe, people who can do this sort of arbitrage may well have higher living standards than normie wagecucks in the West.

    I’ve never heard of such thing. This doesn’t sound like something an actual person, who works for a living, would do. I mean, just look at AP. Definitely uncommon.

    Consider the fact that a typical Eastern European migrant will not be earning the average wage in Britain. His wage will be closer to minimum wage. He will also need to pay rent, which is much higher in Britain than in Poland, buy food, and cover other expenses. He won’t be in the position to save much at all.

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    I’ve never heard of such thing.
     
    Because you are ignorant of how eastern Europe works. It is very common.

    Consider the fact that a typical Eastern European migrant will not be earning the average wage in Britain. His wage will be closer to minimum wage.
     
    Nonsense. He will be earning what skilled workers make, minus 10% or whatever. It is still a lot. Plumbers and electricians make decent money in the West. In England the average plumber's salary is £15.65 per hour. These Poles will share a cheap apartment in a cheap part of town and save most of what they make.

    Ukrainians in Poland make the same wages that Poles in Poland make. Which is, a lot less than Poles in England are making but about 3.5 times the Ukrainian wage in average terms.

    Illegals in America make more, but because it is much harder to come to the USA those illegals tend to stay for 5-10 years or so. When they return they buy cars, build houses, etc. with the money they squirreled away while making $12 an hour 50 hours a week. I knew an engineer from Ukraine who did just this.
    , @Dmitry
    Yes how do you live between two countries if you have a normal job? Live like the Spartans when you are abroad, because you cannot buy anything that you can't put in a suitcase?

    But a lot of emigrants from Poland, Baltic states, Romania, etc, in West Europe, are working as temporary jobs, like baristas, plumbers, prostitutes, collectors of fruit.

    For people with seasonal jobs like prostitute or fruit collector, I can imagine some can leverage difference in currency between countries, and relax half of the year in their home country.

    But there are also Baltic state and Polish people who have good jobs, some very high salaries (I know of Estonian guy with really high for his age, position in Google in Ireland).

    -

    Differences in currency between countries, and measurements like PPP, are not that relevant if you have a normal job. You will have a lot of extra money in the end of each month if in a normal job, more because your time available to spend money limited by job requirements.

    , @Philip Owen
    The zPoles on the Sony production line in Bridgend, where my son spent time last summer, live to work. They volunteer for the tough shifts and they do all the overtime that they can get. They live four men or more to a house. They are already mareied, in their 20's. They are here to pile up the money and then go back to their wives. The relative cost of housing is enormous in the UK. UK money in Poland buys a palace.
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  132. @g2k
    Yes, very much so. A few years ago I rented an apartment in Yerevan from a guy who did a stint as a forklift driver in some provincial shithole in east anglia; he eventually got fed up with this once he'd saved up enough money and went back to being a senior civil servant there, getting paid practically nothing. This apartment was the local equivalent of a Manhatten penthouse. People from there who work in finance in the west but still live out east can have a lifestlye comparable to gulf-arab sheiks.

    LOL I reckon it was the civil servant job that paid for the apartment.

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    No, was an unprofitable department.
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  133. @AaronB
    Leading people and having a talent for it is fine, even necessary - imposing your will on people through force or deceit for your own personal benefit, and delighting in it, is a different thing.

    Heartiste is a moral sewer - his writing style is full of extreme histrionics and hyperventilating. Not my taste. He strikes me as a weak man, and he also worships women but in a negative way.

    Roosh is a broken man - but he has always had sociopathic tendencies. I had an email exchange with him in 2010 or thereabouts - he tried a bunch of sociopathic tricks on me. I strongly suspect his image is carefully curated.

    I don’t think heartiste is one person and I’m pretty sure the original writer is long gone. I think someone bought the blog from the original man after he exploded in popularity and it has been used only for spreading political propaganda for years. The original blog didn’t write about racial politics at all.

    Once the politics stuff started those posts had a completely different style (and that’s when the histrionics started and the humor disappeared). The comment section also changed, originally it had a bunch of the authors real life friends (many of them black) and the quality of discussion was pretty good. It has been an angry white nationalist sewer for years now.

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    That's entirely possible, I haven't read heartiste in years. At a certain point I just realized he lives in a dark world and I don't want to live there with him.

    It's not uncommon for blogs to change authorship the way you describe.
    , @iffen
    an angry white nationalist sewer

    Is there any other kind of WN forum?
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  134. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I hate FortNite and don't know how it got so popular. The ultimate distillation of mindless FPS with a strong gambling component, I suppose.

    The SJWness of it - the fact that you can't even pick your sex, really annoys me.

    I hate FortNite and don’t know how it got so popular.

    The kids seem to like it – it might have to do with a low bar for entry, the controls don’t seem super complicated and it isn’t very violent so I don’t even mind my youngest son playing a few rounds. My boys play on teams with their friends and apparently it matches them up against people of their skill level – no idea how they determine this (maybe from kill count, shot accuracy, etc.), but that’s what they tell me – so it doesn’t get boring. I don’t know what the age range for it is. Last game I enjoyed of this kind was HALO (wasn’t very good though) and then they just became complicated and I had kids…

    They have no clue about the SJW stuff right now. The boys tend to pick avatars that look like ninjas, saboteurs or some other combination of cyber-punk, robot madness. I’d get worried if they were playing as one of the female characters though.

    Peace.

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    They should play League of Legends instead. It'll teach them about cooperation. Or trolling.

    But I'm basically a hardcore gamer(as much as I can find time for it), so meh.

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  135. @Talha

    I hate FortNite and don’t know how it got so popular.
     
    The kids seem to like it - it might have to do with a low bar for entry, the controls don't seem super complicated and it isn't very violent so I don't even mind my youngest son playing a few rounds. My boys play on teams with their friends and apparently it matches them up against people of their skill level - no idea how they determine this (maybe from kill count, shot accuracy, etc.), but that's what they tell me - so it doesn't get boring. I don't know what the age range for it is. Last game I enjoyed of this kind was HALO (wasn't very good though) and then they just became complicated and I had kids...

    They have no clue about the SJW stuff right now. The boys tend to pick avatars that look like ninjas, saboteurs or some other combination of cyber-punk, robot madness. I'd get worried if they were playing as one of the female characters though.

    Peace.

    They should play League of Legends instead. It’ll teach them about cooperation. Or trolling.

    But I’m basically a hardcore gamer(as much as I can find time for it), so meh.

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    I'll mention it to them. Though, likely they've already come across it, and I'll end up looking like an uncool dad.

    Peace.
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  136. Bliss says:
    @Talha

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.
     
    And the men are commanded to submit to God - which means that you can't stick your willy into everything you want to. God is also fairly clear on that.

    Which comes back to one of my earlier points; you cannot point to the Bible and ask women to conform while men take the back door out of its restrictions on their behavior. That kind of hypocrisy will be called out and women will fight it tooth and nail.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh.
     
    Agreed - it is also the basis of guardianship and protection.

    Peace.

    And the men are commanded to submit to God – which means that you can’t stick your willy into everything you want to.

    According to your holiest Scripture, the Quran, Allah says you can “stick your willy” at will into 4 easily divorceable (and beatable) wives, and as many slave girls as you can afford to buy. No need to spend a lot of time and energy using psychological tactics on women who don’t find you attractive, to get laid.

    Don’t pretend that’s a good deal for women.

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    4 wives and unlimited concubines sounds about right if you can afford them (which really didn't do much for your average man on the street, but the elites totally took full advantage). What does this have to do with PUA exactly?

    No need to spend a lot of time and energy using psychological tactics on women who don’t find you attractive, to get laid.
     
    Of course not, you also have to get past their fathers who will beat the snot out of you if you try to pull a fast one on their daughters.

    Don’t pretend that’s a good deal for women.
     
    Plenty of Muslim women, including my wife disagree - thanks for trying to White Knight for Muslim women though.
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  137. @Talha

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.
     
    And the men are commanded to submit to God - which means that you can't stick your willy into everything you want to. God is also fairly clear on that.

    Which comes back to one of my earlier points; you cannot point to the Bible and ask women to conform while men take the back door out of its restrictions on their behavior. That kind of hypocrisy will be called out and women will fight it tooth and nail.

    Dominance is not necessarily degrading or harsh.
     
    Agreed - it is also the basis of guardianship and protection.

    Peace.

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.

    In fact, traditional Christianity stresses mutual submission and taming of the ego. When I was first married, my parish priest told me over and over “Obey your wife. If she tells you to take an umbrella on the sunniest day of the year, shut up and take the umbrella.” And he probably told my wife something similar.

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    I would question that.

    Ask your wife.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    This is Churchianity, not Christianity.

    Your parish priest (Romish Popery?) is a heretic. Or perhaps worse, as it's increasingly clear that the so-called Bishop of Rome serves the Lord of Lies.

    Ephesians 5:22-33


    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church– for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery — but I am talking about Christ and the church.

    However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
     
    , @Talha
    Very interesting. One of my spiritual teachers advised similarly; he said the husband should of service to the wife and the wife should be of service to the husband. So, yes - it's a mutual give and take.

    One thing I have learned over the years in marriage and through the advice of my teachers is that a good marriage is never built on the letter of the law (that's there for when things have already started breaking down) but mutual understanding, compromise and a dedication to grow mutually.

    taming of the ego.
     
    Super important and marriage is often one of the best training grounds for this, such as sometimes even dropping the argument even when you know you are right or admitting you are wrong, taking criticism, etc.

    Peace.
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  138. AaronB says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    I don't think heartiste is one person and I'm pretty sure the original writer is long gone. I think someone bought the blog from the original man after he exploded in popularity and it has been used only for spreading political propaganda for years. The original blog didn't write about racial politics at all.

    Once the politics stuff started those posts had a completely different style (and that's when the histrionics started and the humor disappeared). The comment section also changed, originally it had a bunch of the authors real life friends (many of them black) and the quality of discussion was pretty good. It has been an angry white nationalist sewer for years now.

    That’s entirely possible, I haven’t read heartiste in years. At a certain point I just realized he lives in a dark world and I don’t want to live there with him.

    It’s not uncommon for blogs to change authorship the way you describe.

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  139. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    PUA is not super-duper moral - the closest I can think of of the founder is Mystery, who was an illusionist by profession. But neither was it evul; in many ways, his life is very Casanova-like, and there was an element of light silliness and playfulness to how he led his life, and how he taught other guys. He believed that an illusionist used deception to illustrate fundamental truths about people, and so for example, women actually did want to have sex but by playing around with deceptions, he allowed them to be their truer, more gentle and giving selves. Well, that's me being generous to him. But even being ungenerous to him, he just enjoyed the seduction process a great deal and wanted to understand it, to find out the "rules" of the "Game."

    He never expressed any interest in domination like you suggest, so its just weird as heck.

    I actually think that you'd like him.

    The rules of the Game are – approach women and talk to them. Don’t be afraid. Assortative mating will take care of the rest :)

    Be nice to people – good people you are meant to be with will be nice to you back. Bad people you don’t need in your life anyways.

    We complicate things too much in modern life.

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    That's like saying that cooking is applying heat to food, and if it was meant to be, it will come out delicious.

    Both true and useless.
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  140. AP says:
    @Kimppis
    How are Ukrainian wages that high anyway!? The country seems like an outlier, although many poor Balkan countries look weird as well. Both Ukraine's nominal and PPP GDP per capita are many times lower than Russia's, for instance. Ukrotriumph? Their living standards aren't really low after all? Or is that map BS?

    How are Ukrainian wages that high anyway!?

    It adjusts for cost of living. Ukraine is very cheap.

    For example, one of my favorite restaurants in Lviv, and one of the most expensive in the city:

    http://monspius.lviv.ua/en.html

    Steak almost as good as in Texas, for about $6.00. Looked at a menu at a comparable place in the USA near me, and it was $50.00.

    Also, there has been some upward pressure on wages in Ukraine because so many people work in Poland.

    Both Ukraine’s nominal and PPP GDP per capita are many times lower than Russia’s, for instance.

    Ukraine’s GDP PPP per capita was about 1/3 that of Russia in 2017 ($25,533 vs. $8,667), so not “many times lower.” However Ukraine’s figure is an underestimate because it doesn’t take into account all the Ukrainians temporarily living abroad. Also, per capita GDP is not the same as average wage. Oil and gas add a lot to Russia’s GDP and their impact on wages is probably not directly corresponding.

    Their living standards aren’t really low after all

    Correct. Noticeably lower than in Russia but not “1/3″ of Russia’s, whatever that might mean.

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  141. @The Big Red Scary

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.
     
    In fact, traditional Christianity stresses mutual submission and taming of the ego. When I was first married, my parish priest told me over and over "Obey your wife. If she tells you to take an umbrella on the sunniest day of the year, shut up and take the umbrella." And he probably told my wife something similar.

    I would question that.

    Ask your wife.

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  142. @The Big Red Scary

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.
     
    In fact, traditional Christianity stresses mutual submission and taming of the ego. When I was first married, my parish priest told me over and over "Obey your wife. If she tells you to take an umbrella on the sunniest day of the year, shut up and take the umbrella." And he probably told my wife something similar.

    This is Churchianity, not Christianity.

    Your parish priest (Romish Popery?) is a heretic. Or perhaps worse, as it’s increasingly clear that the so-called Bishop of Rome serves the Lord of Lies.

    Ephesians 5:22-33

    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church– for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery — but I am talking about Christ and the church.

    However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

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    Yeah, I knew you'd like that. Since Orthodox Christian parish priests are married and typically have more children than I do, I tend to take their advice more seriously than that of some guys from the "manosphere".

    By the way, don't you like Ephesians 5:21?
    , @anonymous coward

    The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.
     
    1 Corinthians 7:4

    “But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
     
    Mark 10:6

    Christianity is a religion about the physical world and the flesh, in a literal sense. Any attempt to twist it into something "spiritual" or a platform of ideas or feelings is satanic.

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  143. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The lack of SJWness is probably the best thing about Japanese offerings and shows that stonewalling is an effective strategy at times. Don't fight the power. Just ignore it and pretend not to understand and eventually the mob wanders off to burn some other witch. Still love the response to Neir: Automata when the designer was criticized for having a goth-loli girl as a character.

    "But I like girls. Bye."

    Ah, if only we could do that here.

    I think there is some level of infiltration among Japanese companies, probably mostly predicated on the international/US market and social media. The recent Mario game has blacks in the city wearing a conservative-style dress which predates their arrival into cities in any significant numbers. Probably not politically possible to create a simulacrum of a NYC-style city without blacks, I suppose. Also, there are more gay characters, in Japanese games then is desirable. Though, in general the product is less-PC, and therefore more desirable.

    One of those Nintendo guys even made some SJW comment, back when Trump was trying to ban immigration from certain Muslim countries. Of course, very non-sequitur coming from a Japanese. I forget the exact quote, but in spirit he was defending the right of infinite Somalis to immigrate to the US, and pretending as though they have economic value to the software development industry.

    I’m reminded a little about how Nintendo previously dived into politics in the US in some congressional hearing on violence in video games, in the era of Mortal Kombat, trying to boost the narrative to sell their product. Although the guy who testified for Nintendo was a Westerner, and it may have been his ass-kissing strategy, rather than coming from Japanese HQ.

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    Japanese norms aren't progressive norms, but they're not exactly strictly anti-progressive ones either. There's plenty of Japanese media that's made only for Japanese consumption that espouses attitudes that could be considered as "diverse"(Macross comes hugely to mind, so does Inuyasha). They mostly do their own thing.

    The general distinction is formal versus informal norms. Informally, they seem to basically espouse a similar attitude to the Chinese government that "rapid changes in ethnic composition will cause unwanted disruption" while formally they won't put anything like that in print and indeed, mentally compartmentalize themselves such that they don't even actually believe in such outright. Instead, everything is just stonewalled: anyone can get legal residence in Japan, but all paperwork will have to be Japanese. Or you have to speak Japanese. Or you have to pass some other obstacle. Etc, etc.

    Nothing is impossible, which is important to the Asian "effort/gambatte" culture and its almost a fundamental ethical belief. But they can make things difficult, and that's the intention.
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  144. @AaronB
    The rules of the Game are - approach women and talk to them. Don't be afraid. Assortative mating will take care of the rest :)

    Be nice to people - good people you are meant to be with will be nice to you back. Bad people you don't need in your life anyways.

    We complicate things too much in modern life.

    That’s like saying that cooking is applying heat to food, and if it was meant to be, it will come out delicious.

    Both true and useless.

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    Well, in fact that's how cooking works - you try different spices and flavors together, and some mate, and some repel each other. You don't really have any control - you can't make a bad flavor combination work by figuring out how to seduce it :)

    Recipes are just our memories of which spices "assortatively mated" well in the past.

    At some point, you have to give up control and let things happen, Daniel. I suggest romance might be a good area for spontaneity.
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  145. @Thorfinnsson
    This is Churchianity, not Christianity.

    Your parish priest (Romish Popery?) is a heretic. Or perhaps worse, as it's increasingly clear that the so-called Bishop of Rome serves the Lord of Lies.

    Ephesians 5:22-33


    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church– for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery — but I am talking about Christ and the church.

    However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
     

    Yeah, I knew you’d like that. Since Orthodox Christian parish priests are married and typically have more children than I do, I tend to take their advice more seriously than that of some guys from the “manosphere”.

    By the way, don’t you like Ephesians 5:21?

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    Well at least you're not a Papist.

    Ephesians 5:21 doesn't endorse a husband obeying his wife.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Big Red, it makes sense that you’d find a married man with children to be at least presumptively more credible & knowledgeable on matters of romance, marriage, sex, and raising good, honest, industrious children, compared to a man who lacks that life experience and perspective.

    By contrast, as a cradle Catholic who stayed in the church till very recently, I found it less helpful to consult a priest on such matters. Much more so when he seemed homosexual or just plain odd, immature, and sheltered, as so many priests come across these days.

    Perhaps that church needs to not only allow but REQUIRE their priests and deacons to be well-rounded married men.
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  146. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I think its obvious that you met with unsuccessful examples of a group which naturally will exhibit bitter tendencies. This has less to do with their chosen beliefs and more to do with the fact that they are natural losers.

    This has less to do with their chosen beliefs and more to do with the fact that they are natural losers.

    That’s funny coming from a guy who says that PUA ‘saved his life’….

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  147. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich
    I've never heard of such thing. This doesn't sound like something an actual person, who works for a living, would do. I mean, just look at AP. Definitely uncommon.

    Consider the fact that a typical Eastern European migrant will not be earning the average wage in Britain. His wage will be closer to minimum wage. He will also need to pay rent, which is much higher in Britain than in Poland, buy food, and cover other expenses. He won't be in the position to save much at all.

    I’ve never heard of such thing.

    Because you are ignorant of how eastern Europe works. It is very common.

    Consider the fact that a typical Eastern European migrant will not be earning the average wage in Britain. His wage will be closer to minimum wage.

    Nonsense. He will be earning what skilled workers make, minus 10% or whatever. It is still a lot. Plumbers and electricians make decent money in the West. In England the average plumber’s salary is £15.65 per hour. These Poles will share a cheap apartment in a cheap part of town and save most of what they make.

    Ukrainians in Poland make the same wages that Poles in Poland make. Which is, a lot less than Poles in England are making but about 3.5 times the Ukrainian wage in average terms.

    Illegals in America make more, but because it is much harder to come to the USA those illegals tend to stay for 5-10 years or so. When they return they buy cars, build houses, etc. with the money they squirreled away while making $12 an hour 50 hours a week. I knew an engineer from Ukraine who did just this.

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    This all sounds like hogwash to me. Here are the kind of jobs that Ukrainians in Poland do:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brAz_-jzbWw

    BTW, why won't you relocate to the Ukraine to take advantage of your massive purchasing power in that country?
    , @iffen
    When they return

    Why would anyone return to the Ukraine after escaping?

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  148. @The Big Red Scary
    Yeah, I knew you'd like that. Since Orthodox Christian parish priests are married and typically have more children than I do, I tend to take their advice more seriously than that of some guys from the "manosphere".

    By the way, don't you like Ephesians 5:21?

    Well at least you’re not a Papist.

    Ephesians 5:21 doesn’t endorse a husband obeying his wife.

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  149. Talha says:
    @Bliss

    And the men are commanded to submit to God – which means that you can’t stick your willy into everything you want to.
     
    According to your holiest Scripture, the Quran, Allah says you can “stick your willy” at will into 4 easily divorceable (and beatable) wives, and as many slave girls as you can afford to buy. No need to spend a lot of time and energy using psychological tactics on women who don’t find you attractive, to get laid.

    Don’t pretend that’s a good deal for women.

    4 wives and unlimited concubines sounds about right if you can afford them (which really didn’t do much for your average man on the street, but the elites totally took full advantage). What does this have to do with PUA exactly?

    No need to spend a lot of time and energy using psychological tactics on women who don’t find you attractive, to get laid.

    Of course not, you also have to get past their fathers who will beat the snot out of you if you try to pull a fast one on their daughters.

    Don’t pretend that’s a good deal for women.

    Plenty of Muslim women, including my wife disagree – thanks for trying to White Knight for Muslim women though.

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    4 wives and unlimited concubines sounds about right if you can afford them
     
    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    It is obscene to see someone like you acting holier than thou....
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  150. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    That's like saying that cooking is applying heat to food, and if it was meant to be, it will come out delicious.

    Both true and useless.

    Well, in fact that’s how cooking works – you try different spices and flavors together, and some mate, and some repel each other. You don’t really have any control – you can’t make a bad flavor combination work by figuring out how to seduce it :)

    Recipes are just our memories of which spices “assortatively mated” well in the past.

    At some point, you have to give up control and let things happen, Daniel. I suggest romance might be a good area for spontaneity.

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    No, but you can learn how certain flavors work with others and how certain preparations work better than others. The notion that cooking or life is something to just slapdash together and then hope for the best...well...

    Let's just say that not much would get done.

    I do think that it has worked out plenty well for me. I just object to your 'advice' because I'm pretty sure it'll hurt rather than help someone in a similar situation that I was in.
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  151. Talha says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    Wives are commanded by God to submit to their husbands.
     
    In fact, traditional Christianity stresses mutual submission and taming of the ego. When I was first married, my parish priest told me over and over "Obey your wife. If she tells you to take an umbrella on the sunniest day of the year, shut up and take the umbrella." And he probably told my wife something similar.

    Very interesting. One of my spiritual teachers advised similarly; he said the husband should of service to the wife and the wife should be of service to the husband. So, yes – it’s a mutual give and take.

    One thing I have learned over the years in marriage and through the advice of my teachers is that a good marriage is never built on the letter of the law (that’s there for when things have already started breaking down) but mutual understanding, compromise and a dedication to grow mutually.

    taming of the ego.

    Super important and marriage is often one of the best training grounds for this, such as sometimes even dropping the argument even when you know you are right or admitting you are wrong, taking criticism, etc.

    Peace.

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    marriage is often one of the best training grounds for this
     
    In Orthodox Christianity, family life is sometimes compared to life in a monastery. If you read for example the Ladder of Divine Ascent (by St. John of the Ladder, sometime igumen of St. Catherine's Monastery at the foot of Mt. Sinai), one begins to appreciate how far there is to go in living family life like a monk in a monastery. That said, the father in the family naturally plays some of the role of igumen.

    And as I have said before, the difference between man and woman is very important in traditional Christian theology, which is the fuller context for the passage that Thorfinnsson quoted:

    This is a profound mystery — but I am talking about Christ and the church.
     
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  152. @AP

    I’ve never heard of such thing.
     
    Because you are ignorant of how eastern Europe works. It is very common.

    Consider the fact that a typical Eastern European migrant will not be earning the average wage in Britain. His wage will be closer to minimum wage.
     
    Nonsense. He will be earning what skilled workers make, minus 10% or whatever. It is still a lot. Plumbers and electricians make decent money in the West. In England the average plumber's salary is £15.65 per hour. These Poles will share a cheap apartment in a cheap part of town and save most of what they make.

    Ukrainians in Poland make the same wages that Poles in Poland make. Which is, a lot less than Poles in England are making but about 3.5 times the Ukrainian wage in average terms.

    Illegals in America make more, but because it is much harder to come to the USA those illegals tend to stay for 5-10 years or so. When they return they buy cars, build houses, etc. with the money they squirreled away while making $12 an hour 50 hours a week. I knew an engineer from Ukraine who did just this.

    This all sounds like hogwash to me. Here are the kind of jobs that Ukrainians in Poland do:

    BTW, why won’t you relocate to the Ukraine to take advantage of your massive purchasing power in that country?

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    This all sounds like hogwash to me.
     
    Reality is hard for you, we know.

    Here are the kind of jobs that Ukrainians in Poland do:
     
    Ukrainians have all kinds of jobs in Poland. Some ever work as police officers.

    https://www.ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3afa-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec

    Ukrainians earn the same wages as Poles, they’re not cheap labour, as opposed to Poles hired in
    western Europe,” says Blazej Madejski, vice-president of Pro-Net Media, which installs telecoms and electricity transmission lines and is Mr Talalai’s employer. “There are few Poles left in [construction] here as they work in the EU. Without the Ukrainians, our company couldn’t be efficient.”

    Yuri Kariagin, a Ukrainian with Polish origins who heads a Ukrainian workers’ union in Poland, says that before 2014, many Ukrainians went to Russia to work.

    “Now the majority come to Poland,” he says. “It’s six months working, then back to their family with the money, to renovate the apartment, or help children with their education.”

    BTW, why won’t you relocate to the Ukraine to take advantage of your massive purchasing power in that country
     
    In my field (I won't be specific, in order to maintain anonymity - AK knows what I do) the USA offers the highest wages in the world. But if not for kids and hopefully eventually grandkids, I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine. Or Russia, for that matter, though money goes much further in Ukraine.
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  153. @songbird
    I think there is some level of infiltration among Japanese companies, probably mostly predicated on the international/US market and social media. The recent Mario game has blacks in the city wearing a conservative-style dress which predates their arrival into cities in any significant numbers. Probably not politically possible to create a simulacrum of a NYC-style city without blacks, I suppose. Also, there are more gay characters, in Japanese games then is desirable. Though, in general the product is less-PC, and therefore more desirable.

    One of those Nintendo guys even made some SJW comment, back when Trump was trying to ban immigration from certain Muslim countries. Of course, very non-sequitur coming from a Japanese. I forget the exact quote, but in spirit he was defending the right of infinite Somalis to immigrate to the US, and pretending as though they have economic value to the software development industry.

    I'm reminded a little about how Nintendo previously dived into politics in the US in some congressional hearing on violence in video games, in the era of Mortal Kombat, trying to boost the narrative to sell their product. Although the guy who testified for Nintendo was a Westerner, and it may have been his ass-kissing strategy, rather than coming from Japanese HQ.

    Japanese norms aren’t progressive norms, but they’re not exactly strictly anti-progressive ones either. There’s plenty of Japanese media that’s made only for Japanese consumption that espouses attitudes that could be considered as “diverse”(Macross comes hugely to mind, so does Inuyasha). They mostly do their own thing.

    The general distinction is formal versus informal norms. Informally, they seem to basically espouse a similar attitude to the Chinese government that “rapid changes in ethnic composition will cause unwanted disruption” while formally they won’t put anything like that in print and indeed, mentally compartmentalize themselves such that they don’t even actually believe in such outright. Instead, everything is just stonewalled: anyone can get legal residence in Japan, but all paperwork will have to be Japanese. Or you have to speak Japanese. Or you have to pass some other obstacle. Etc, etc.

    Nothing is impossible, which is important to the Asian “effort/gambatte” culture and its almost a fundamental ethical belief. But they can make things difficult, and that’s the intention.

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  154. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    They should play League of Legends instead. It'll teach them about cooperation. Or trolling.

    But I'm basically a hardcore gamer(as much as I can find time for it), so meh.

    I’ll mention it to them. Though, likely they’ve already come across it, and I’ll end up looking like an uncool dad.

    Peace.

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  155. @AaronB
    Well, in fact that's how cooking works - you try different spices and flavors together, and some mate, and some repel each other. You don't really have any control - you can't make a bad flavor combination work by figuring out how to seduce it :)

    Recipes are just our memories of which spices "assortatively mated" well in the past.

    At some point, you have to give up control and let things happen, Daniel. I suggest romance might be a good area for spontaneity.

    No, but you can learn how certain flavors work with others and how certain preparations work better than others. The notion that cooking or life is something to just slapdash together and then hope for the best…well…

    Let’s just say that not much would get done.

    I do think that it has worked out plenty well for me. I just object to your ‘advice’ because I’m pretty sure it’ll hurt rather than help someone in a similar situation that I was in.

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    The only advice I would give anyone, Daniel, is stop caring. If you're trying, you care too much.

    Remember, I'm some sort of Buddhist. They're just women. If you get em you get em, if you don't you don't. If you're implementing strategies, you're a cuck :)

    The number one way to de-cuckify the West , Daniel, is to remind everyone they're just women. There's far too much caring going on. Its very cucky.

    Allah in his infinite mercy will dispose of the matter for us!
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  156. Dmitry says:
    @Felix Keverich
    I've never heard of such thing. This doesn't sound like something an actual person, who works for a living, would do. I mean, just look at AP. Definitely uncommon.

    Consider the fact that a typical Eastern European migrant will not be earning the average wage in Britain. His wage will be closer to minimum wage. He will also need to pay rent, which is much higher in Britain than in Poland, buy food, and cover other expenses. He won't be in the position to save much at all.

    Yes how do you live between two countries if you have a normal job? Live like the Spartans when you are abroad, because you cannot buy anything that you can’t put in a suitcase?

    But a lot of emigrants from Poland, Baltic states, Romania, etc, in West Europe, are working as temporary jobs, like baristas, plumbers, prostitutes, collectors of fruit.

    For people with seasonal jobs like prostitute or fruit collector, I can imagine some can leverage difference in currency between countries, and relax half of the year in their home country.

    But there are also Baltic state and Polish people who have good jobs, some very high salaries (I know of Estonian guy with really high for his age, position in Google in Ireland).

    -

    Differences in currency between countries, and measurements like PPP, are not that relevant if you have a normal job. You will have a lot of extra money in the end of each month if in a normal job, more because your time available to spend money limited by job requirements.

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    Yes how do you live between two countries if you have a normal job? Live like the Spartans when you are abroad, because you cannot buy anything that you can’t put in a suitcase?
     
    Don't ask me, this was Karlin's idea. He thinks this would be a cool lifestyle. I don't agree.

    You can't save much working as a fruit collector in a foreign country, and most people would never take that job, unless driven to it by desperation. The very existance of large-scale labor migration proves that living standards are grossly unequal between countries, regards of what "PPP-adjusted" charts say.
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  157. Bliss says:
    @Talha
    4 wives and unlimited concubines sounds about right if you can afford them (which really didn't do much for your average man on the street, but the elites totally took full advantage). What does this have to do with PUA exactly?

    No need to spend a lot of time and energy using psychological tactics on women who don’t find you attractive, to get laid.
     
    Of course not, you also have to get past their fathers who will beat the snot out of you if you try to pull a fast one on their daughters.

    Don’t pretend that’s a good deal for women.
     
    Plenty of Muslim women, including my wife disagree - thanks for trying to White Knight for Muslim women though.

    4 wives and unlimited concubines sounds about right if you can afford them

    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    It is obscene to see someone like you acting holier than thou….

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    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?
     
    If you are asking from a Muslim perspective; PUA obviously, since fornication is haram...having conjugal relations with one's slave was perfectly OK. If it wasn't, the Qur'an wouldn't have mentioned it in the same verses that mention conjugal relations with one's wife.

    I see what you are trying to do with the whole slavery thing, but it's only relevant in a place that actually has slavery which seems to be some remote areas of Mauritania and even there it is actually illegal. When have I ever advocated a return to slavery?


    It is obscene
     
    Trigg...ered.

    holier than thou…
     
    I'm not - I was pointing out the detrimental effects of not adhering to a serious patriarchal model (which are pretty plain to see in society) - one that would never tolerate men trying to smooth talk their way into their daughters' pants. And that people should live by the principle they expect others to adhere to; if you want a society where men aren't trying to hookup with easy women, don't be a man who tries to hookup with easy women. Again, not rocket science.

    If people want to continue on the current route, feel free and see what happens.

    , @iffen
    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    This is an easy question.

    The PUA discards the woman.

    The man with multiple wives and concubines must provide for them.
    , @anonymous coward
    Don't argue with Muslims or Ukrainians. They have a hidden agenda and you'll do no good.
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  158. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich
    This all sounds like hogwash to me. Here are the kind of jobs that Ukrainians in Poland do:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brAz_-jzbWw

    BTW, why won't you relocate to the Ukraine to take advantage of your massive purchasing power in that country?

    This all sounds like hogwash to me.

    Reality is hard for you, we know.

    Here are the kind of jobs that Ukrainians in Poland do:

    Ukrainians have all kinds of jobs in Poland. Some ever work as police officers.

    https://www.ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3afa-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec

    Ukrainians earn the same wages as Poles, they’re not cheap labour, as opposed to Poles hired in
    western Europe,” says Blazej Madejski, vice-president of Pro-Net Media, which installs telecoms and electricity transmission lines and is Mr Talalai’s employer. “There are few Poles left in [construction] here as they work in the EU. Without the Ukrainians, our company couldn’t be efficient.”

    Yuri Kariagin, a Ukrainian with Polish origins who heads a Ukrainian workers’ union in Poland, says that before 2014, many Ukrainians went to Russia to work.

    “Now the majority come to Poland,” he says. “It’s six months working, then back to their family with the money, to renovate the apartment, or help children with their education.”

    BTW, why won’t you relocate to the Ukraine to take advantage of your massive purchasing power in that country

    In my field (I won’t be specific, in order to maintain anonymity – AK knows what I do) the USA offers the highest wages in the world. But if not for kids and hopefully eventually grandkids, I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine. Or Russia, for that matter, though money goes much further in Ukraine.

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    USA offers the highest wages in the world. But if not for kids and hopefully eventually grandkids, I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine.
     
    This confirms my ideas about economic migrants: those who find decent jobs abroad, that allow them to save, do not return. Better to have a job in USA and "overpay" for everything, than live and "save money" in the Ukraine. Purchasing parity doesn't get you very far. Ultimately most people migrate because their countries suck.
    , @Mr. Hack

    I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine.
     
    I've thought about this eventuality too, however, am not keen on giving up my US citizenship. As it stands now (as I understand things), a foreigner can only stay in Ukraine for no longer than 3 months, and then must leave for 3 months before returning. I've toyed with the idea of working in Ukraine, perhaps as an English language instructor. Perhaps, you know of some other way(s) to get around these onerous restrictions?
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  159. g2k says:
    @Felix Keverich
    LOL I reckon it was the civil servant job that paid for the apartment.

    No, was an unprofitable department.

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  160. songbird says:

    I would not like to be part of a company building a nuclear power plant in South Africa.

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  161. iffen says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    I don't think heartiste is one person and I'm pretty sure the original writer is long gone. I think someone bought the blog from the original man after he exploded in popularity and it has been used only for spreading political propaganda for years. The original blog didn't write about racial politics at all.

    Once the politics stuff started those posts had a completely different style (and that's when the histrionics started and the humor disappeared). The comment section also changed, originally it had a bunch of the authors real life friends (many of them black) and the quality of discussion was pretty good. It has been an angry white nationalist sewer for years now.

    an angry white nationalist sewer

    Is there any other kind of WN forum?

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  162. iffen says:
    @AP

    I’ve never heard of such thing.
     
    Because you are ignorant of how eastern Europe works. It is very common.

    Consider the fact that a typical Eastern European migrant will not be earning the average wage in Britain. His wage will be closer to minimum wage.
     
    Nonsense. He will be earning what skilled workers make, minus 10% or whatever. It is still a lot. Plumbers and electricians make decent money in the West. In England the average plumber's salary is £15.65 per hour. These Poles will share a cheap apartment in a cheap part of town and save most of what they make.

    Ukrainians in Poland make the same wages that Poles in Poland make. Which is, a lot less than Poles in England are making but about 3.5 times the Ukrainian wage in average terms.

    Illegals in America make more, but because it is much harder to come to the USA those illegals tend to stay for 5-10 years or so. When they return they buy cars, build houses, etc. with the money they squirreled away while making $12 an hour 50 hours a week. I knew an engineer from Ukraine who did just this.

    When they return

    Why would anyone return to the Ukraine after escaping?

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  163. Talha says:
    @Bliss

    4 wives and unlimited concubines sounds about right if you can afford them
     
    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    It is obscene to see someone like you acting holier than thou....

    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    If you are asking from a Muslim perspective; PUA obviously, since fornication is haram…having conjugal relations with one’s slave was perfectly OK. If it wasn’t, the Qur’an wouldn’t have mentioned it in the same verses that mention conjugal relations with one’s wife.

    I see what you are trying to do with the whole slavery thing, but it’s only relevant in a place that actually has slavery which seems to be some remote areas of Mauritania and even there it is actually illegal. When have I ever advocated a return to slavery?

    It is obscene

    Trigg…ered.

    holier than thou…

    I’m not – I was pointing out the detrimental effects of not adhering to a serious patriarchal model (which are pretty plain to see in society) – one that would never tolerate men trying to smooth talk their way into their daughters’ pants. And that people should live by the principle they expect others to adhere to; if you want a society where men aren’t trying to hookup with easy women, don’t be a man who tries to hookup with easy women. Again, not rocket science.

    If people want to continue on the current route, feel free and see what happens.

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    This Chesterton's quote applies to PUA

    To be clever enough to get all that money, one must be stupid to want it.
     
    after substituting "women" for "money".
    , @Bliss

    If you are asking from a Muslim perspective; PUA obviously, since fornication is haram…having conjugal relations with one’s slave was perfectly OK. If it wasn’t, the Qur’an wouldn’t have mentioned it in the same verses that mention conjugal relations with one’s wife.
     
    And this is the perspective you are extolling as the height of holiness. Shame on you.

    but it’s only relevant in a place that actually has slavery
     
    That place is the Quran itself, the final message of Allah to mankind.

    some remote areas of Mauritania and even there it is actually illegal.
     
    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?

    Sex slavery is legal wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules: in parts of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan...
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  164. @Dmitry
    Yes how do you live between two countries if you have a normal job? Live like the Spartans when you are abroad, because you cannot buy anything that you can't put in a suitcase?

    But a lot of emigrants from Poland, Baltic states, Romania, etc, in West Europe, are working as temporary jobs, like baristas, plumbers, prostitutes, collectors of fruit.

    For people with seasonal jobs like prostitute or fruit collector, I can imagine some can leverage difference in currency between countries, and relax half of the year in their home country.

    But there are also Baltic state and Polish people who have good jobs, some very high salaries (I know of Estonian guy with really high for his age, position in Google in Ireland).

    -

    Differences in currency between countries, and measurements like PPP, are not that relevant if you have a normal job. You will have a lot of extra money in the end of each month if in a normal job, more because your time available to spend money limited by job requirements.

    Yes how do you live between two countries if you have a normal job? Live like the Spartans when you are abroad, because you cannot buy anything that you can’t put in a suitcase?

    Don’t ask me, this was Karlin’s idea. He thinks this would be a cool lifestyle. I don’t agree.

    You can’t save much working as a fruit collector in a foreign country, and most people would never take that job, unless driven to it by desperation. The very existance of large-scale labor migration proves that living standards are grossly unequal between countries, regards of what “PPP-adjusted” charts say.

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    In Ireland, minimum legal salary is around €10 per hour.

    So for (legal EU) temporary fruit collectors receiving €10 per hour - maybe it would be clever for them to follow Karlin's concept, and live like Spartans for a few months, then spend most of the income in their home country.

    For higher income jobs like prostitutes from EU countries of Poland, Romania, Latvia- it could be easy for them to do this.

    Obviously, for those with normal jobs, this makes no sense.
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  165. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    4 wives and unlimited concubines sounds about right if you can afford them
     
    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    It is obscene to see someone like you acting holier than thou....

    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    This is an easy question.

    The PUA discards the woman.

    The man with multiple wives and concubines must provide for them.

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    Daaaamn! That was awesome!

    Peace.
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  166. Serrice says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Thanks for the kind compliments and the offer of help with translations.

    I am always up for meeting my readers, you can email me (address given here: http://akarlin.com/) or contact me via Facebook/Twitter if or when you are in Moscow.

    We don't really have anything organized. That said, even if we do manage to arrange a community meetup, we will not be able to invite a person with only a few comments to his name for opsec reasons. Of course this will change if/when you become a regular commenter.

    Damn I should probably start commenting then if I ever want to meet up given I’ve been reading this thing for years.

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  167. Talha says:
    @iffen
    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    This is an easy question.

    The PUA discards the woman.

    The man with multiple wives and concubines must provide for them.

    Daaaamn! That was awesome!

    Peace.

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  168. utu says:
    @Talha

    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?
     
    If you are asking from a Muslim perspective; PUA obviously, since fornication is haram...having conjugal relations with one's slave was perfectly OK. If it wasn't, the Qur'an wouldn't have mentioned it in the same verses that mention conjugal relations with one's wife.

    I see what you are trying to do with the whole slavery thing, but it's only relevant in a place that actually has slavery which seems to be some remote areas of Mauritania and even there it is actually illegal. When have I ever advocated a return to slavery?


    It is obscene
     
    Trigg...ered.

    holier than thou…
     
    I'm not - I was pointing out the detrimental effects of not adhering to a serious patriarchal model (which are pretty plain to see in society) - one that would never tolerate men trying to smooth talk their way into their daughters' pants. And that people should live by the principle they expect others to adhere to; if you want a society where men aren't trying to hookup with easy women, don't be a man who tries to hookup with easy women. Again, not rocket science.

    If people want to continue on the current route, feel free and see what happens.

    This Chesterton’s quote applies to PUA

    To be clever enough to get all that money, one must be stupid to want it.

    after substituting “women” for “money”.

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    LOL! Chesterton had some really witty quips.

    From one angle, I really don't get why tons of sexual conquests is such a great thing. I mean, I might even understand if the guy was actually having kids with these women and providing for them - then I'd be like; bro, you're killing it and about to start your own little tribe - bravo!

    That would be impressive - at least to me.

    But otherwise, I'm wouldn't be impressed with a guy that couldn't restrain himself from any meal you put in front of him to the point that he's walking around like a corpulent mess bragging about how many tacos he just had. So I don't understand the great thing about bedding every woman you come across, but a lot of this has to do with personal views about what one's purpose is in the first place. I mean, if a guy makes that his purpose in life, then I guess he's achieving his purpose - can't fault him for that any more than the guy who makes his purpose to eat the biggest hot dog in the world.

    Peace.
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  169. @AP

    This all sounds like hogwash to me.
     
    Reality is hard for you, we know.

    Here are the kind of jobs that Ukrainians in Poland do:
     
    Ukrainians have all kinds of jobs in Poland. Some ever work as police officers.

    https://www.ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3afa-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec

    Ukrainians earn the same wages as Poles, they’re not cheap labour, as opposed to Poles hired in
    western Europe,” says Blazej Madejski, vice-president of Pro-Net Media, which installs telecoms and electricity transmission lines and is Mr Talalai’s employer. “There are few Poles left in [construction] here as they work in the EU. Without the Ukrainians, our company couldn’t be efficient.”

    Yuri Kariagin, a Ukrainian with Polish origins who heads a Ukrainian workers’ union in Poland, says that before 2014, many Ukrainians went to Russia to work.

    “Now the majority come to Poland,” he says. “It’s six months working, then back to their family with the money, to renovate the apartment, or help children with their education.”

    BTW, why won’t you relocate to the Ukraine to take advantage of your massive purchasing power in that country
     
    In my field (I won't be specific, in order to maintain anonymity - AK knows what I do) the USA offers the highest wages in the world. But if not for kids and hopefully eventually grandkids, I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine. Or Russia, for that matter, though money goes much further in Ukraine.

    USA offers the highest wages in the world. But if not for kids and hopefully eventually grandkids, I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine.

    This confirms my ideas about economic migrants: those who find decent jobs abroad, that allow them to save, do not return. Better to have a job in USA and “overpay” for everything, than live and “save money” in the Ukraine. Purchasing parity doesn’t get you very far. Ultimately most people migrate because their countries suck.

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    USA offers the highest wages in the world. But if not for kids and hopefully eventually grandkids, I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine.

    This confirms my ideas about economic migrants: those who find decent jobs abroad, that allow them to save, do not return.
     
    I've lived in Russia, but never Ukraine. Only visited Ukraine repeatedly and am in regular contact with cousins and aunts/uncles there.

    In the USA, most migrants leave their families behind but return after a few years with their savings. Because they will not be able to come back to the USA they make the most for it by working for several years. It is pretty bad for marriages (typically the married guy working in the USA for 5 years wasn't celibate) but they return with tens of thousands in American dollars in savings, enough to build a nice western-style house, car and seed money for a new business.

    In Poland it is easier because it is only a few hours away by car or train, so they got for 3 month or 6 month stints and return home often. One of my cousins managed to work in Germany for 6 months in late 2014, before the EU visa-less travel, and came back with a 4 year old VW Golf and enough money to support his family for a year, until the local economy improved. He's a skilled builder.

    Purchasing parity doesn’t get you very far
     
    Coming back to Ivano-Frankivsk oblast with $10,000s in savings gets you very far.

    If you see a large well-built western-style house in some village in Western Ukraine it probably belongs to a migrant.
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  170. Talha says:
    @utu
    This Chesterton's quote applies to PUA

    To be clever enough to get all that money, one must be stupid to want it.
     
    after substituting "women" for "money".

    LOL! Chesterton had some really witty quips.

    From one angle, I really don’t get why tons of sexual conquests is such a great thing. I mean, I might even understand if the guy was actually having kids with these women and providing for them – then I’d be like; bro, you’re killing it and about to start your own little tribe – bravo!

    That would be impressive – at least to me.

    But otherwise, I’m wouldn’t be impressed with a guy that couldn’t restrain himself from any meal you put in front of him to the point that he’s walking around like a corpulent mess bragging about how many tacos he just had. So I don’t understand the great thing about bedding every woman you come across, but a lot of this has to do with personal views about what one’s purpose is in the first place. I mean, if a guy makes that his purpose in life, then I guess he’s achieving his purpose – can’t fault him for that any more than the guy who makes his purpose to eat the biggest hot dog in the world.

    Peace.

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    It's normal for young man, to want more better looking women.

    But to be as a psychopath, which is what AaronB describes.

    Psychopaths (and some other personality disordered people) pretend to be perfect boyfriend for one woman, then soon later another one, etc, and are always creating weird power and control relations to manipulate their victims in the relationship, while feeling no emotion themselves.

    There's quite a lot of women who are like this as well. It's very much a spectrum though, where some are more extreme than others.

    I'm sure we all have experience of women which are trying manipulate them, even the moment you meet them. Although most girls are not like this, which is why it is so weird when you encounter a manipulating one (and your phone -the first victim).

    But sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists (just as born swindlers) exist in every society in the world. The personality can take advantage of societies with high social capital and a lot of gullible people. And in current modern society, there are a lot of gullible people (even a lot of gullible rich men, who marry the first manipulative girl that looks at their wallet).

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  171. Bliss says:
    @Talha

    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?
     
    If you are asking from a Muslim perspective; PUA obviously, since fornication is haram...having conjugal relations with one's slave was perfectly OK. If it wasn't, the Qur'an wouldn't have mentioned it in the same verses that mention conjugal relations with one's wife.

    I see what you are trying to do with the whole slavery thing, but it's only relevant in a place that actually has slavery which seems to be some remote areas of Mauritania and even there it is actually illegal. When have I ever advocated a return to slavery?


    It is obscene
     
    Trigg...ered.

    holier than thou…
     
    I'm not - I was pointing out the detrimental effects of not adhering to a serious patriarchal model (which are pretty plain to see in society) - one that would never tolerate men trying to smooth talk their way into their daughters' pants. And that people should live by the principle they expect others to adhere to; if you want a society where men aren't trying to hookup with easy women, don't be a man who tries to hookup with easy women. Again, not rocket science.

    If people want to continue on the current route, feel free and see what happens.

    If you are asking from a Muslim perspective; PUA obviously, since fornication is haram…having conjugal relations with one’s slave was perfectly OK. If it wasn’t, the Qur’an wouldn’t have mentioned it in the same verses that mention conjugal relations with one’s wife.

    And this is the perspective you are extolling as the height of holiness. Shame on you.

    but it’s only relevant in a place that actually has slavery

    That place is the Quran itself, the final message of Allah to mankind.

    some remote areas of Mauritania and even there it is actually illegal.

    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?

    Sex slavery is legal wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules: in parts of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan…

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    What exactly is the big deal here?

    Ever hear of situational alphas?

    Who's gonna be hotter to a slave girl than her master?

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/5d/e9/025de916348f7925ba5679ba8b011255--slave-girl-fantasy-series.jpg

    And as Iffen said, the slave girl is being provided for.

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.
    , @Talha

    Shame on you.
     
    Woe is me, some anonymous guy on the internet doesn't like the classical rulings of Islam on slavery...get in line.

    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?
     
    Because Muslim countries have signed onto international protocols that prohibit it. Violating those protocols is a breach of a covenant - which is haram.

    It's the same as if Muslim countries signed up to limit chopping down trees due to international protocols they have signed up to for curbing deforestation. It is not intrinsically haram to chop down trees, but it would be a breach of a covenant and a trust - which is haram.

    It's a fairly simple principle to understand.

    wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules
     
    Pffffshshsshwahahahahaha!!!! Oh yeah - those dead-end losers.
    "A man with severe psychiatric problems killed his mother and sister and seriously injured another woman in a knife attack Thursday in a Paris-region town, officials said. Police shot and killed the man soon afterward. The Islamic State group, which has a history of opportunistic claims, swiftly claimed responsibility...He described the man as 'unstable, rather than someone who was engaged, someone who could respond, for example, to orders and instructions from a terrorist organization, in particular from Daesh.'"
    https://abc7ny.com/man-fatally-stabs-mother-sister;-isis-claims-responsibility/4038258/

    Daesh: "We're sill relevant, we're still relevant - please look at us!!! And that Muslim who stole a chicken from that supermarket in Amsterdam - we, the glorious caliphate, totally plotted it!!! Now, where did our intrepid leader go?"
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  172. @Bliss

    If you are asking from a Muslim perspective; PUA obviously, since fornication is haram…having conjugal relations with one’s slave was perfectly OK. If it wasn’t, the Qur’an wouldn’t have mentioned it in the same verses that mention conjugal relations with one’s wife.
     
    And this is the perspective you are extolling as the height of holiness. Shame on you.

    but it’s only relevant in a place that actually has slavery
     
    That place is the Quran itself, the final message of Allah to mankind.

    some remote areas of Mauritania and even there it is actually illegal.
     
    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?

    Sex slavery is legal wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules: in parts of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan...

    What exactly is the big deal here?

    Ever hear of situational alphas?

    Who’s gonna be hotter to a slave girl than her master?

    And as Iffen said, the slave girl is being provided for.

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.

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    Anybody who has read seriously into the lives of how the concubines of Ottoman elites lived will agree they lived lives well above your average free woman of the realm.

    That's not to say some men didn't abuse their slave women - it would have been a miracle if that was never the case. Of course, plenty of men have abused their wives, so there's that.

    Peace.
    , @Dmitry
    Lol I wouldn't take too seriously, book covers.

    It's not a great documentary of real life.
    , @Twinkie

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.
     
    Do people who afford “premium television” drink box wine?
    , @Bliss

    Ever hear of situational alphas?
     
    No. Is that a term you incel dorks use to stroke each other in your pitiful circle jerks?

    I am guessing the term was coined by that Iranian immigrant PUA guru who taught you native bumpkins how to talk to your own women. Am I right Thugfinnson?
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  173. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    USA offers the highest wages in the world. But if not for kids and hopefully eventually grandkids, I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine.
     
    This confirms my ideas about economic migrants: those who find decent jobs abroad, that allow them to save, do not return. Better to have a job in USA and "overpay" for everything, than live and "save money" in the Ukraine. Purchasing parity doesn't get you very far. Ultimately most people migrate because their countries suck.

    USA offers the highest wages in the world. But if not for kids and hopefully eventually grandkids, I would certainly love to retire in Ukraine.

    This confirms my ideas about economic migrants: those who find decent jobs abroad, that allow them to save, do not return.

    I’ve lived in Russia, but never Ukraine. Only visited Ukraine repeatedly and am in regular contact with cousins and aunts/uncles there.

    In the USA, most migrants leave their families behind but return after a few years with their savings. Because they will not be able to come back to the USA they make the most for it by working for several years. It is pretty bad for marriages (typically the married guy working in the USA for 5 years wasn’t celibate) but they return with tens of thousands in American dollars in savings, enough to build a nice western-style house, car and seed money for a new business.

    In Poland it is easier because it is only a few hours away by car or train, so they got for 3 month or 6 month stints and return home often. One of my cousins managed to work in Germany for 6 months in late 2014, before the EU visa-less travel, and came back with a 4 year old VW Golf and enough money to support his family for a year, until the local economy improved. He’s a skilled builder.

    Purchasing parity doesn’t get you very far

    Coming back to Ivano-Frankivsk oblast with $10,000s in savings gets you very far.

    If you see a large well-built western-style house in some village in Western Ukraine it probably belongs to a migrant.

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  174. Dmitry says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Yes how do you live between two countries if you have a normal job? Live like the Spartans when you are abroad, because you cannot buy anything that you can’t put in a suitcase?
     
    Don't ask me, this was Karlin's idea. He thinks this would be a cool lifestyle. I don't agree.

    You can't save much working as a fruit collector in a foreign country, and most people would never take that job, unless driven to it by desperation. The very existance of large-scale labor migration proves that living standards are grossly unequal between countries, regards of what "PPP-adjusted" charts say.

    In Ireland, minimum legal salary is around €10 per hour.

    So for (legal EU) temporary fruit collectors receiving €10 per hour – maybe it would be clever for them to follow Karlin’s concept, and live like Spartans for a few months, then spend most of the income in their home country.

    For higher income jobs like prostitutes from EU countries of Poland, Romania, Latvia- it could be easy for them to do this.

    Obviously, for those with normal jobs, this makes no sense.

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  175. Talha says:
    @Bliss

    If you are asking from a Muslim perspective; PUA obviously, since fornication is haram…having conjugal relations with one’s slave was perfectly OK. If it wasn’t, the Qur’an wouldn’t have mentioned it in the same verses that mention conjugal relations with one’s wife.
     
    And this is the perspective you are extolling as the height of holiness. Shame on you.

    but it’s only relevant in a place that actually has slavery
     
    That place is the Quran itself, the final message of Allah to mankind.

    some remote areas of Mauritania and even there it is actually illegal.
     
    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?

    Sex slavery is legal wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules: in parts of Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan...

    Shame on you.

    Woe is me, some anonymous guy on the internet doesn’t like the classical rulings of Islam on slavery…get in line.

    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?

    Because Muslim countries have signed onto international protocols that prohibit it. Violating those protocols is a breach of a covenant – which is haram.

    It’s the same as if Muslim countries signed up to limit chopping down trees due to international protocols they have signed up to for curbing deforestation. It is not intrinsically haram to chop down trees, but it would be a breach of a covenant and a trust – which is haram.

    It’s a fairly simple principle to understand.

    wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules

    Pffffshshsshwahahahahaha!!!! Oh yeah – those dead-end losers.
    “A man with severe psychiatric problems killed his mother and sister and seriously injured another woman in a knife attack Thursday in a Paris-region town, officials said. Police shot and killed the man soon afterward. The Islamic State group, which has a history of opportunistic claims, swiftly claimed responsibility…He described the man as ‘unstable, rather than someone who was engaged, someone who could respond, for example, to orders and instructions from a terrorist organization, in particular from Daesh.’”

    https://abc7ny.com/man-fatally-stabs-mother-sister;-isis-claims-responsibility/4038258/

    Daesh: “We’re sill relevant, we’re still relevant – please look at us!!! And that Muslim who stole a chicken from that supermarket in Amsterdam – we, the glorious caliphate, totally plotted it!!! Now, where did our intrepid leader go?”

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    Plus, the "height of holiness" with regards to slaves in Islam has always been to emancipate them which is a highly rewarded act:
    "Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous." (2:177)

    Anyone who has explored this topic seriously knows that purchasing and owning a slave is merely permissible, while freeing slaves is a commended act of worship.
    , @Dmitry
    Bliss has some trolling. But Talha you don't have to defend blindly, every criticism of Islam.

    You should be able to see both points of view on these topics. Because life, is not so simple - even for things which you might like for various reasons, are not perfect. When we can acknowledge this, it is a sign of a person who has some humanity.
    , @Bliss

    Because Muslim countries have signed onto international protocols that prohibit it. Violating those protocols is a breach of a covenant – which is haram.......It’s the same as if Muslim countries signed up to limit chopping down trees due to international protocols they have signed up to for curbing deforestation.
     
    Limiting deforestation is not comparable to banning slavery altogether for moral reasons, you irrational imbecile. Try another excuse.

    Muslim nations were among the last to make slavery illegal. By thus accepting the moral superiority of liberal European Enlightenment values the muslim world effectively acknowledged the moral bankruptcy of the Quran-based Islam practiced for 13 centuries.

    In other words you admit that the Quran is not the Final Word and Mohammad was not the Last Prophet. In short: Islam is false.
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  176. Dmitry says:
    @Talha
    LOL! Chesterton had some really witty quips.

    From one angle, I really don't get why tons of sexual conquests is such a great thing. I mean, I might even understand if the guy was actually having kids with these women and providing for them - then I'd be like; bro, you're killing it and about to start your own little tribe - bravo!

    That would be impressive - at least to me.

    But otherwise, I'm wouldn't be impressed with a guy that couldn't restrain himself from any meal you put in front of him to the point that he's walking around like a corpulent mess bragging about how many tacos he just had. So I don't understand the great thing about bedding every woman you come across, but a lot of this has to do with personal views about what one's purpose is in the first place. I mean, if a guy makes that his purpose in life, then I guess he's achieving his purpose - can't fault him for that any more than the guy who makes his purpose to eat the biggest hot dog in the world.

    Peace.

    It’s normal for young man, to want more better looking women.

    But to be as a psychopath, which is what AaronB describes.

    Psychopaths (and some other personality disordered people) pretend to be perfect boyfriend for one woman, then soon later another one, etc, and are always creating weird power and control relations to manipulate their victims in the relationship, while feeling no emotion themselves.

    There’s quite a lot of women who are like this as well. It’s very much a spectrum though, where some are more extreme than others.

    I’m sure we all have experience of women which are trying manipulate them, even the moment you meet them. Although most girls are not like this, which is why it is so weird when you encounter a manipulating one (and your phone -the first victim).

    But sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists (just as born swindlers) exist in every society in the world. The personality can take advantage of societies with high social capital and a lot of gullible people. And in current modern society, there are a lot of gullible people (even a lot of gullible rich men, who marry the first manipulative girl that looks at their wallet).

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    It’s normal for young man, to want more better looking women.
     
    It's normal for an old man to want more better looking women. Women are at the top of men's worldly desires - this is why this is such a big issue; if you screw up on this one, all hell breaks loose on your society and you can collapse your civilization.

    It is also normal for a person to start salivating at the smell of every fresh pizza, doesn't mean he should eat every one he comes across.


    I’m sure we all have experience of women which are trying manipulate them, even the moment you meet them.
     
    Honestly, the only women I interacted with on the subject of relationships were around 4 or 5 and that was because we were discussing/negotiating the possibility of getting married. None of them were manipulative, the majority simply didn't work out since we were not compatible or the person was not ready to commit or went with another proposal - the discussions were fairly swift and to the point. You guys have likely interacted with way more women than me, but in a completely different context, so I'll have to assume you have more experience on the subject.

    And in current modern society, there are a lot of gullible people (even a lot of gullible rich men, who marry the first manipulative girl that looks at their wallet).
     
    As they say; a fool and his money are soon parted with. However, I assume that - in these sugar daddy relationships, assuming this is what you are speaking about - the man is not altogether the innocent victim and that he is getting the sugar he is paying through the nose for.

    Peace.

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  177. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    What exactly is the big deal here?

    Ever hear of situational alphas?

    Who's gonna be hotter to a slave girl than her master?

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/5d/e9/025de916348f7925ba5679ba8b011255--slave-girl-fantasy-series.jpg

    And as Iffen said, the slave girl is being provided for.

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.

    Anybody who has read seriously into the lives of how the concubines of Ottoman elites lived will agree they lived lives well above your average free woman of the realm.

    That’s not to say some men didn’t abuse their slave women – it would have been a miracle if that was never the case. Of course, plenty of men have abused their wives, so there’s that.

    Peace.

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    The love story of Suleiman the Magnificent and the Polish slave girl (and later Imperial Consort) Roxelana comes to mind.

    Granted, Bliss is a negress and Islamic slavers behaved more brutally towards slaves taken from the Zanj than those taken from elsewhere (though there are horror stories about white slaves as well). So she is no doubt salty about the subject.
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  178. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    No, but you can learn how certain flavors work with others and how certain preparations work better than others. The notion that cooking or life is something to just slapdash together and then hope for the best...well...

    Let's just say that not much would get done.

    I do think that it has worked out plenty well for me. I just object to your 'advice' because I'm pretty sure it'll hurt rather than help someone in a similar situation that I was in.

    The only advice I would give anyone, Daniel, is stop caring. If you’re trying, you care too much.

    Remember, I’m some sort of Buddhist. They’re just women. If you get em you get em, if you don’t you don’t. If you’re implementing strategies, you’re a cuck :)

    The number one way to de-cuckify the West , Daniel, is to remind everyone they’re just women. There’s far too much caring going on. Its very cucky.

    Allah in his infinite mercy will dispose of the matter for us!

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    I agree, you should stop caring and part with all of your worldly possessions. Please refer to top post on divesting it to Karlin. Certainly Allah shall provide for you.
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  179. @Talha
    Anybody who has read seriously into the lives of how the concubines of Ottoman elites lived will agree they lived lives well above your average free woman of the realm.

    That's not to say some men didn't abuse their slave women - it would have been a miracle if that was never the case. Of course, plenty of men have abused their wives, so there's that.

    Peace.

    The love story of Suleiman the Magnificent and the Polish slave girl (and later Imperial Consort) Roxelana comes to mind.

    Granted, Bliss is a negress and Islamic slavers behaved more brutally towards slaves taken from the Zanj than those taken from elsewhere (though there are horror stories about white slaves as well). So she is no doubt salty about the subject.

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    Islamic slavers behaved more brutally towards slaves taken from the Zanj than those taken from elsewhere
     
    They did and paid a massive price for it in the Zanj rebellion - one of the bloodier episodes in Muslim history.

    From what I've read, I would actually say the worst slavers were the Barbary Pirates and their prey were Whites. Living life as a castrated galley slave who was beaten and worked to death is not a fun way to go - but not much can be expected of pirates.

    However, Black concubines were also married by elite men (perhaps not as often). My family descends from Imam Ali Ridha (ra) - one of the Shiah and Sunni Imams - who was the son of Musa al-Kadhim (ra) from his Nubian concubine, the Lady Najmah (ra).

    salty about the subject.
     
    It's OK, Bliss gets triggered every time I post, I've gotten used to it.

    Peace.
    , @AP
    Roxelana was what we now call Ukrainian:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrem_Sultan

    Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Kingdom.[4] She was born in the town of Rohatyn, 68 km south-east of Lwów, a major city of the Ruthenian Voivodeship in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland.[5] According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a father who was an Orthodox priest.[6][5]

    In the 1520s, Crimean Tatars captured her during one of their frequent raids into Ruthenia.
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  180. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    What exactly is the big deal here?

    Ever hear of situational alphas?

    Who's gonna be hotter to a slave girl than her master?

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/5d/e9/025de916348f7925ba5679ba8b011255--slave-girl-fantasy-series.jpg

    And as Iffen said, the slave girl is being provided for.

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.

    Lol I wouldn’t take too seriously, book covers.

    It’s not a great documentary of real life.

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    But 11 books with covers like that, all about slave girls!

    Where are these slave girls that I've been promised?

    Am I expected to run Game on them?

    Are slaves girls respectable in the PUA community?
    , @AaronB
    I think Thorffinssons book covers are by far the best contribution to this thread - especially the raptor one :) My God, raptors as Alphas. Chuckle. That's just awesome.

    That captures something - I'm not sure what - in a nutshell. Its peak something or other.

    Where does Thor find this stuff...
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Perhaps this serious work of history would be more to your liking:

    http://d28hgpri8am2if.cloudfront.net/book_images/onix/cvr9781501129230/the-adventures-of-a-roman-slave-9781501129230_hr.jpg

    But in fairness, it must be said there were slave girls who appreciated their captivity a bit less:

    https://www.hipcomic.com/uploads/cache/3c49e8fb371314ceda5150af55f3c458-460x699.png
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  181. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Shame on you.
     
    Woe is me, some anonymous guy on the internet doesn't like the classical rulings of Islam on slavery...get in line.

    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?
     
    Because Muslim countries have signed onto international protocols that prohibit it. Violating those protocols is a breach of a covenant - which is haram.

    It's the same as if Muslim countries signed up to limit chopping down trees due to international protocols they have signed up to for curbing deforestation. It is not intrinsically haram to chop down trees, but it would be a breach of a covenant and a trust - which is haram.

    It's a fairly simple principle to understand.

    wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules
     
    Pffffshshsshwahahahahaha!!!! Oh yeah - those dead-end losers.
    "A man with severe psychiatric problems killed his mother and sister and seriously injured another woman in a knife attack Thursday in a Paris-region town, officials said. Police shot and killed the man soon afterward. The Islamic State group, which has a history of opportunistic claims, swiftly claimed responsibility...He described the man as 'unstable, rather than someone who was engaged, someone who could respond, for example, to orders and instructions from a terrorist organization, in particular from Daesh.'"
    https://abc7ny.com/man-fatally-stabs-mother-sister;-isis-claims-responsibility/4038258/

    Daesh: "We're sill relevant, we're still relevant - please look at us!!! And that Muslim who stole a chicken from that supermarket in Amsterdam - we, the glorious caliphate, totally plotted it!!! Now, where did our intrepid leader go?"

    Plus, the “height of holiness” with regards to slaves in Islam has always been to emancipate them which is a highly rewarded act:
    “Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.” (2:177)

    Anyone who has explored this topic seriously knows that purchasing and owning a slave is merely permissible, while freeing slaves is a commended act of worship.

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  182. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry
    Lol I wouldn't take too seriously, book covers.

    It's not a great documentary of real life.

    But 11 books with covers like that, all about slave girls!

    Where are these slave girls that I’ve been promised?

    Am I expected to run Game on them?

    Are slaves girls respectable in the PUA community?

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    If I see someone with these books in their home - I will try to leave as leave as soon as possible
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  183. Dmitry says:
    @Talha

    Shame on you.
     
    Woe is me, some anonymous guy on the internet doesn't like the classical rulings of Islam on slavery...get in line.

    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?
     
    Because Muslim countries have signed onto international protocols that prohibit it. Violating those protocols is a breach of a covenant - which is haram.

    It's the same as if Muslim countries signed up to limit chopping down trees due to international protocols they have signed up to for curbing deforestation. It is not intrinsically haram to chop down trees, but it would be a breach of a covenant and a trust - which is haram.

    It's a fairly simple principle to understand.

    wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules
     
    Pffffshshsshwahahahahaha!!!! Oh yeah - those dead-end losers.
    "A man with severe psychiatric problems killed his mother and sister and seriously injured another woman in a knife attack Thursday in a Paris-region town, officials said. Police shot and killed the man soon afterward. The Islamic State group, which has a history of opportunistic claims, swiftly claimed responsibility...He described the man as 'unstable, rather than someone who was engaged, someone who could respond, for example, to orders and instructions from a terrorist organization, in particular from Daesh.'"
    https://abc7ny.com/man-fatally-stabs-mother-sister;-isis-claims-responsibility/4038258/

    Daesh: "We're sill relevant, we're still relevant - please look at us!!! And that Muslim who stole a chicken from that supermarket in Amsterdam - we, the glorious caliphate, totally plotted it!!! Now, where did our intrepid leader go?"

    Bliss has some trolling. But Talha you don’t have to defend blindly, every criticism of Islam.

    You should be able to see both points of view on these topics. Because life, is not so simple – even for things which you might like for various reasons, are not perfect. When we can acknowledge this, it is a sign of a person who has some humanity.

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    But Talha you don’t have to defend blindly, every criticism of Islam.
     
    Good point. I shouldn't feed the trolls - sound advice.

    Peace.
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  184. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The love story of Suleiman the Magnificent and the Polish slave girl (and later Imperial Consort) Roxelana comes to mind.

    Granted, Bliss is a negress and Islamic slavers behaved more brutally towards slaves taken from the Zanj than those taken from elsewhere (though there are horror stories about white slaves as well). So she is no doubt salty about the subject.

    Islamic slavers behaved more brutally towards slaves taken from the Zanj than those taken from elsewhere

    They did and paid a massive price for it in the Zanj rebellion – one of the bloodier episodes in Muslim history.

    From what I’ve read, I would actually say the worst slavers were the Barbary Pirates and their prey were Whites. Living life as a castrated galley slave who was beaten and worked to death is not a fun way to go – but not much can be expected of pirates.

    However, Black concubines were also married by elite men (perhaps not as often). My family descends from Imam Ali Ridha (ra) – one of the Shiah and Sunni Imams – who was the son of Musa al-Kadhim (ra) from his Nubian concubine, the Lady Najmah (ra).

    salty about the subject.

    It’s OK, Bliss gets triggered every time I post, I’ve gotten used to it.

    Peace.

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    It’s sucks, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the pirates sometimes sodomized them as well.
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  185. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB
    But 11 books with covers like that, all about slave girls!

    Where are these slave girls that I've been promised?

    Am I expected to run Game on them?

    Are slaves girls respectable in the PUA community?

    If I see someone with these books in their home – I will try to leave as leave as soon as possible

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    And as quietly as possible, on tip toes :)

    Sounds like you won't be invited to Thor's house, though.

    I would be very, very disappointed if Thor did not have raptors in the basement of his luxury palace in the Midwest, with slave girls in shackles tied to walls, as he sits in an armchair sipping fine whiskey and stroking a purring cat.

    Very disappointed.
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  186. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry
    Lol I wouldn't take too seriously, book covers.

    It's not a great documentary of real life.

    I think Thorffinssons book covers are by far the best contribution to this thread – especially the raptor one :) My God, raptors as Alphas. Chuckle. That’s just awesome.

    That captures something – I’m not sure what – in a nutshell. Its peak something or other.

    Where does Thor find this stuff…

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    http://scstylecaster.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/taken_by_the_t-rex.jpg?w=496&h=662

    http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mounted-by-the-gryphon.jpg?quality=100&w=650&h=909

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/7161815.Christie_Sims
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  187. Talha says:
    @Dmitry
    Bliss has some trolling. But Talha you don't have to defend blindly, every criticism of Islam.

    You should be able to see both points of view on these topics. Because life, is not so simple - even for things which you might like for various reasons, are not perfect. When we can acknowledge this, it is a sign of a person who has some humanity.

    But Talha you don’t have to defend blindly, every criticism of Islam.

    Good point. I shouldn’t feed the trolls – sound advice.

    Peace.

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  188. @Dmitry
    Lol I wouldn't take too seriously, book covers.

    It's not a great documentary of real life.

    Perhaps this serious work of history would be more to your liking:

    But in fairness, it must be said there were slave girls who appreciated their captivity a bit less:

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  189. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry
    If I see someone with these books in their home - I will try to leave as leave as soon as possible

    And as quietly as possible, on tip toes :)

    Sounds like you won’t be invited to Thor’s house, though.

    I would be very, very disappointed if Thor did not have raptors in the basement of his luxury palace in the Midwest, with slave girls in shackles tied to walls, as he sits in an armchair sipping fine whiskey and stroking a purring cat.

    Very disappointed.

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  190. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Islamic slavers behaved more brutally towards slaves taken from the Zanj than those taken from elsewhere
     
    They did and paid a massive price for it in the Zanj rebellion - one of the bloodier episodes in Muslim history.

    From what I've read, I would actually say the worst slavers were the Barbary Pirates and their prey were Whites. Living life as a castrated galley slave who was beaten and worked to death is not a fun way to go - but not much can be expected of pirates.

    However, Black concubines were also married by elite men (perhaps not as often). My family descends from Imam Ali Ridha (ra) - one of the Shiah and Sunni Imams - who was the son of Musa al-Kadhim (ra) from his Nubian concubine, the Lady Najmah (ra).

    salty about the subject.
     
    It's OK, Bliss gets triggered every time I post, I've gotten used to it.

    Peace.

    It’s sucks, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the pirates sometimes sodomized them as well.

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  191. @AaronB
    I think Thorffinssons book covers are by far the best contribution to this thread - especially the raptor one :) My God, raptors as Alphas. Chuckle. That's just awesome.

    That captures something - I'm not sure what - in a nutshell. Its peak something or other.

    Where does Thor find this stuff...
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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MQdmYYOwK9M
    , @AaronB
    Hahaha, good stuff, good stuff...

    I can see why girls might dig graceful gryphons, but only trashy low class girls are attracted to t-rex's. This is well known.
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  192. Talha says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    http://scstylecaster.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/taken_by_the_t-rex.jpg?w=496&h=662

    http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mounted-by-the-gryphon.jpg?quality=100&w=650&h=909

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/7161815.Christie_Sims

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  193. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    http://scstylecaster.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/taken_by_the_t-rex.jpg?w=496&h=662

    http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/mounted-by-the-gryphon.jpg?quality=100&w=650&h=909

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/7161815.Christie_Sims

    Hahaha, good stuff, good stuff…

    I can see why girls might dig graceful gryphons, but only trashy low class girls are attracted to t-rex’s. This is well known.

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  194. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry
    I don't know about this terminology.

    But AaronB is true, and describing psychopaths/sociopaths, narcissists (and some other personality disorders) - as known in clinical psychology.

    Dating shouldn't be very complicated - either you go well with a girl (boy) or not.

    But psychopath falsifies their real personality, and presents mask of whatever is suitable for whoever they meet. And once some sentimental attraction is there, just using it as levers of power like a parasite.

    Obviously it is a spectrum, and a lot of them are not very extreme.

    Notice a lot weird girls like this in a moderate way, trying to use manipulation just in the way they send whatsapp messages. "Oh you sent message at 1am. You are a nightowl like me!" (From girl that goes to bed early).

    In a perfect world, psychopaths would be detected early and can live in a psychiatric hospital.

    But people with just moderate, manipulation personalities, are inevitable, and could probably be reformed when clinical psychology becomes more developed.

    Dating shouldn’t be very complicated – either you go well with a girl (boy) or not.

    This is true. We really need to stop thinking about this stuff.

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  195. Twinkie says:
    @Dan Bagrov
    Indeed. Your Red Chinese and (outside gas station owners) your south Asians will hardly ever own guns. Vietnamese on the other hand are in many ways much more like whites. I recall them being the only non white group to narrowly break for the GOP.

    Indeed. Your Red Chinese and (outside gas station owners) your south Asians will hardly ever own guns. Vietnamese on the other hand are in many ways much more like whites. I recall them being the only non white group to narrowly break for the GOP.

    I repeat myself endlessly.

    Vietnames, Filipinos, and Koreans have the highest assimilation indices in America among major immigrants (except Canadians) as well as vote the most Republican among all Asians. Indians and Chinese have the lowest assimilation indices among Asians (closer to Hispanic indices). Indians also vote overwhelmingly for Democrats.

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  196. songbird says:

    * TURKEY. After its devaluation, it now has Europe’s third lowest wage after the Ukraine and Moldova.

    While that doubtlessly should be embarrassing to the Ukraine and Moldova, the more proper comparison would not be to Europe, but to such other countries of the Middle East as don’t have oil.

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  197. @AaronB
    The only advice I would give anyone, Daniel, is stop caring. If you're trying, you care too much.

    Remember, I'm some sort of Buddhist. They're just women. If you get em you get em, if you don't you don't. If you're implementing strategies, you're a cuck :)

    The number one way to de-cuckify the West , Daniel, is to remind everyone they're just women. There's far too much caring going on. Its very cucky.

    Allah in his infinite mercy will dispose of the matter for us!

    I agree, you should stop caring and part with all of your worldly possessions. Please refer to top post on divesting it to Karlin. Certainly Allah shall provide for you.

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    I'nshallah, Daniel, I'nshallah.

    I've always wanted to make that phrase part of my regular vocabulary. It expresses a proper uncaring fatalism. The Muslims know how to be free of the mind forge'd manacles - well, they used to. The new Muslims care far too much, and have become cucks. They no longer have faith in Allah's unbounded munificence.

    If Anatoly were to be the recipient of my unbounded munificence, he'd have to de-cuckify himself and adopt a glorious attitude of uncaring fatalism, which, I am sorry to say, he is far from doing.

    It is not time yet for me to disappear into the deserts lonely wastes, but i'nshallah, soon.
    , @utu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpAxBZSXW28


    È un sogno la vita
    che par sì gradita,
    è breve gioire,
    bisogna morire.
    Non val medicina,
    non giova la China,
    non si può guarire,
    bisogna morire.
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  198. Bliss says:
    @Talha

    Shame on you.
     
    Woe is me, some anonymous guy on the internet doesn't like the classical rulings of Islam on slavery...get in line.

    How can slavery be illegal in Islam when Allah sanctions it?
     
    Because Muslim countries have signed onto international protocols that prohibit it. Violating those protocols is a breach of a covenant - which is haram.

    It's the same as if Muslim countries signed up to limit chopping down trees due to international protocols they have signed up to for curbing deforestation. It is not intrinsically haram to chop down trees, but it would be a breach of a covenant and a trust - which is haram.

    It's a fairly simple principle to understand.

    wherever the Islamic State aka Caliphate rules
     
    Pffffshshsshwahahahahaha!!!! Oh yeah - those dead-end losers.
    "A man with severe psychiatric problems killed his mother and sister and seriously injured another woman in a knife attack Thursday in a Paris-region town, officials said. Police shot and killed the man soon afterward. The Islamic State group, which has a history of opportunistic claims, swiftly claimed responsibility...He described the man as 'unstable, rather than someone who was engaged, someone who could respond, for example, to orders and instructions from a terrorist organization, in particular from Daesh.'"
    https://abc7ny.com/man-fatally-stabs-mother-sister;-isis-claims-responsibility/4038258/

    Daesh: "We're sill relevant, we're still relevant - please look at us!!! And that Muslim who stole a chicken from that supermarket in Amsterdam - we, the glorious caliphate, totally plotted it!!! Now, where did our intrepid leader go?"

    Because Muslim countries have signed onto international protocols that prohibit it. Violating those protocols is a breach of a covenant – which is haram…….It’s the same as if Muslim countries signed up to limit chopping down trees due to international protocols they have signed up to for curbing deforestation.

    Limiting deforestation is not comparable to banning slavery altogether for moral reasons, you irrational imbecile. Try another excuse.

    Muslim nations were among the last to make slavery illegal. By thus accepting the moral superiority of liberal European Enlightenment values the muslim world effectively acknowledged the moral bankruptcy of the Quran-based Islam practiced for 13 centuries.

    In other words you admit that the Quran is not the Final Word and Mohammad was not the Last Prophet. In short: Islam is false.

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  199. Twinkie says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    What exactly is the big deal here?

    Ever hear of situational alphas?

    Who's gonna be hotter to a slave girl than her master?

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/5d/e9/025de916348f7925ba5679ba8b011255--slave-girl-fantasy-series.jpg

    And as Iffen said, the slave girl is being provided for.

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.

    Do people who afford “premium television” drink box wine?

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    Netflix is what, $10 a month?

    Basic bitches go through a Bota Box every week.
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  200. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I agree, you should stop caring and part with all of your worldly possessions. Please refer to top post on divesting it to Karlin. Certainly Allah shall provide for you.

    I’nshallah, Daniel, I’nshallah.

    I’ve always wanted to make that phrase part of my regular vocabulary. It expresses a proper uncaring fatalism. The Muslims know how to be free of the mind forge’d manacles – well, they used to. The new Muslims care far too much, and have become cucks. They no longer have faith in Allah’s unbounded munificence.

    If Anatoly were to be the recipient of my unbounded munificence, he’d have to de-cuckify himself and adopt a glorious attitude of uncaring fatalism, which, I am sorry to say, he is far from doing.

    It is not time yet for me to disappear into the deserts lonely wastes, but i’nshallah, soon.

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    With a proper uncaring fatalism, you can find that it won't matter who you give your beneficence to. After all, who is to say that I am not the hand of some god to guide your actions to serve a secret divine plan of which it is for you to give and for Karlin to receive?

    Be holy. Gibe monies.
    , @Talha

    I’nshallah...expresses a proper uncaring fatalism.
     
    Just a note on how we Muslims use it. It is a beautiful phrase we use often for the important (InshaAllah, the Ummah will unite.) to the very mundane (InshaAllah, I'll get the milk this evening.).

    However, it is not used to excuse oneself from making adequate preparations or exerting one's best effort - rather, it is a recognition that - despite all efforts and preparations one makes - success is only through the grace of God and His willing it to be so, thus He gets all praise and credit.

    Religious Muslims will also often use the phrase "Tie your camel" among themselves as a reminder to one another to put in one's effort and due diligence:
    "A man said, 'O Messenger of Allah, should I tie my camel and trust in Allah, or should I leave her untied and trust in Allah?' The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said, 'Tie her and trust in Allah.'" - reported in Tirmidhi

    But I encourage its frequent use or even the translation "God willing".

    Peace.
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  201. Bliss says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    What exactly is the big deal here?

    Ever hear of situational alphas?

    Who's gonna be hotter to a slave girl than her master?

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/5d/e9/025de916348f7925ba5679ba8b011255--slave-girl-fantasy-series.jpg

    And as Iffen said, the slave girl is being provided for.

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.

    Ever hear of situational alphas?

    No. Is that a term you incel dorks use to stroke each other in your pitiful circle jerks?

    I am guessing the term was coined by that Iranian immigrant PUA guru who taught you native bumpkins how to talk to your own women. Am I right Thugfinnson?

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    Such a charming young woman...

    A situational alpha is a man who is on top because of the situation he is in. The classic example is a boss/manager.
    , @AaronB
    Thugfinnson is back! I missed.

    A situational alpha is like when you meet a girl in a corridor, and you are at that moment the strongest guy there, and you scowl at her to assert your dominance, and she has sex with you, because it reminds her of that time she was ravished by a raptor, who had to fight a t-rex for her, as a gryphon dolefully watched from the sidelines, as slave girls captured by Muslim pirates strum guitars and a sweet melody is carried by a gentle breeze.

    There, I've neatly summed up all themes on this thread.

    Ok, I really have to stop now.
    , @utu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wt3LX__fSM
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  202. @Twinkie

    Meanwhile the modern woman is getting pumped and dumped and self-medicating her pain with box wine and binge watching premium television.
     
    Do people who afford “premium television” drink box wine?

    Netflix is what, $10 a month?

    Basic bitches go through a Bota Box every week.

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    Netflix is what, $10 a month?
     
    That requires the internet, no?

    I thought by “premium,” you meant one of those $200-300 cable/Fios tv packages.
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  203. AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The love story of Suleiman the Magnificent and the Polish slave girl (and later Imperial Consort) Roxelana comes to mind.

    Granted, Bliss is a negress and Islamic slavers behaved more brutally towards slaves taken from the Zanj than those taken from elsewhere (though there are horror stories about white slaves as well). So she is no doubt salty about the subject.

    Roxelana was what we now call Ukrainian:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrem_Sultan

    Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Kingdom.[4] She was born in the town of Rohatyn, 68 km south-east of Lwów, a major city of the Ruthenian Voivodeship in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland.[5] According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a father who was an Orthodox priest.[6][5]

    In the 1520s, Crimean Tatars captured her during one of their frequent raids into Ruthenia.

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    Uh...congratulations.
    , @Talha
    More background for friendly Ukrainian and Turkish relations!

    Peace.

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  204. @Bliss

    Ever hear of situational alphas?
     
    No. Is that a term you incel dorks use to stroke each other in your pitiful circle jerks?

    I am guessing the term was coined by that Iranian immigrant PUA guru who taught you native bumpkins how to talk to your own women. Am I right Thugfinnson?

    Such a charming young woman…

    A situational alpha is a man who is on top because of the situation he is in. The classic example is a boss/manager.

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  205. @AP
    Roxelana was what we now call Ukrainian:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrem_Sultan

    Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Kingdom.[4] She was born in the town of Rohatyn, 68 km south-east of Lwów, a major city of the Ruthenian Voivodeship in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland.[5] According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a father who was an Orthodox priest.[6][5]

    In the 1520s, Crimean Tatars captured her during one of their frequent raids into Ruthenia.

    Uh…congratulations.

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  206. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I agree, you should stop caring and part with all of your worldly possessions. Please refer to top post on divesting it to Karlin. Certainly Allah shall provide for you.

    È un sogno la vita
    che par sì gradita,
    è breve gioire,
    bisogna morire.
    Non val medicina,
    non giova la China,
    non si può guarire,
    bisogna morire.

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    I sort of believe in this, but nonetheless think that there is beauty in the struggle. I don't know who to credit and google doesn't pull anything up, but I faintly recall a notion that life itself is a daily defiance against the eternal law of gravity that must drag us down. And one day, we will no longer be able to defy it and surrender to it to become inanimate matter. But yet, awareness of that inevitability should not consign us to mere passivity.

    Though we may be but brains in a jar and life itself be an illusion, we am yet part of it and why should we not strive? In our successes and our failures, in our victories and tragedies, in the stories we live and leave behind, spins something like meaning into existence.

    And that, I think, is beautiful.
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  207. AaronB says:
    @Bliss

    Ever hear of situational alphas?
     
    No. Is that a term you incel dorks use to stroke each other in your pitiful circle jerks?

    I am guessing the term was coined by that Iranian immigrant PUA guru who taught you native bumpkins how to talk to your own women. Am I right Thugfinnson?

    Thugfinnson is back! I missed.

    A situational alpha is like when you meet a girl in a corridor, and you are at that moment the strongest guy there, and you scowl at her to assert your dominance, and she has sex with you, because it reminds her of that time she was ravished by a raptor, who had to fight a t-rex for her, as a gryphon dolefully watched from the sidelines, as slave girls captured by Muslim pirates strum guitars and a sweet melody is carried by a gentle breeze.

    There, I’ve neatly summed up all themes on this thread.

    Ok, I really have to stop now.

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  208. @AaronB
    I'nshallah, Daniel, I'nshallah.

    I've always wanted to make that phrase part of my regular vocabulary. It expresses a proper uncaring fatalism. The Muslims know how to be free of the mind forge'd manacles - well, they used to. The new Muslims care far too much, and have become cucks. They no longer have faith in Allah's unbounded munificence.

    If Anatoly were to be the recipient of my unbounded munificence, he'd have to de-cuckify himself and adopt a glorious attitude of uncaring fatalism, which, I am sorry to say, he is far from doing.

    It is not time yet for me to disappear into the deserts lonely wastes, but i'nshallah, soon.

    With a proper uncaring fatalism, you can find that it won’t matter who you give your beneficence to. After all, who is to say that I am not the hand of some god to guide your actions to serve a secret divine plan of which it is for you to give and for Karlin to receive?

    Be holy. Gibe monies.

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    You make, in fact, an excellent point, I must admit. Very good.

    But there is an even higherlevel of uncaring fatalism, which, i'nshallah, I shall attain - and that is, if one truly does not care, what matters it if one is rich or poor? If one has or does not have money - it is all alike one and the same!

    Giving away my money would be caring - may Allah defend me from such a spiritual blemish!
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  209. utu says:
    @Bliss

    Ever hear of situational alphas?
     
    No. Is that a term you incel dorks use to stroke each other in your pitiful circle jerks?

    I am guessing the term was coined by that Iranian immigrant PUA guru who taught you native bumpkins how to talk to your own women. Am I right Thugfinnson?

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  210. Twinkie says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Netflix is what, $10 a month?

    Basic bitches go through a Bota Box every week.

    Netflix is what, $10 a month?

    That requires the internet, no?

    I thought by “premium,” you meant one of those $200-300 cable/Fios tv packages.

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    By premium I had in mind the current trend of high quality, serialized television programs. Perhaps not the best terminology since premium TV traditionally means HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc.

    And yes you need the internet for Netflix.

    Drinking is a lot more expensive than any kind of TV, so heavy drinkers aside from the very rich always economize in various ways.

    I used to go through a handle of liquor a night and definitely did not buy top shelf.
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  211. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    With a proper uncaring fatalism, you can find that it won't matter who you give your beneficence to. After all, who is to say that I am not the hand of some god to guide your actions to serve a secret divine plan of which it is for you to give and for Karlin to receive?

    Be holy. Gibe monies.

    You make, in fact, an excellent point, I must admit. Very good.

    But there is an even higherlevel of uncaring fatalism, which, i’nshallah, I shall attain – and that is, if one truly does not care, what matters it if one is rich or poor? If one has or does not have money – it is all alike one and the same!

    Giving away my money would be caring – may Allah defend me from such a spiritual blemish!

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  212. @Twinkie

    Netflix is what, $10 a month?
     
    That requires the internet, no?

    I thought by “premium,” you meant one of those $200-300 cable/Fios tv packages.

    By premium I had in mind the current trend of high quality, serialized television programs. Perhaps not the best terminology since premium TV traditionally means HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc.

    And yes you need the internet for Netflix.

    Drinking is a lot more expensive than any kind of TV, so heavy drinkers aside from the very rich always economize in various ways.

    I used to go through a handle of liquor a night and definitely did not buy top shelf.

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    40 shots of liquor a night? I've heard of people doing this - apparently actors used to. Supposedly it was even somewhat common.

    Is it really possible?

    How much do you drink now?
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  213. @utu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpAxBZSXW28


    È un sogno la vita
    che par sì gradita,
    è breve gioire,
    bisogna morire.
    Non val medicina,
    non giova la China,
    non si può guarire,
    bisogna morire.

    I sort of believe in this, but nonetheless think that there is beauty in the struggle. I don’t know who to credit and google doesn’t pull anything up, but I faintly recall a notion that life itself is a daily defiance against the eternal law of gravity that must drag us down. And one day, we will no longer be able to defy it and surrender to it to become inanimate matter. But yet, awareness of that inevitability should not consign us to mere passivity.

    Though we may be but brains in a jar and life itself be an illusion, we am yet part of it and why should we not strive? In our successes and our failures, in our victories and tragedies, in the stories we live and leave behind, spins something like meaning into existence.

    And that, I think, is beautiful.

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    But if life is a dream, then everything is already perfect, and we have but to free ourselves of delusion and realize it, and then striving appears merely as a misunderstanding. All meaning is already present, and no striving can add anything.

    The sage does not strive, Daniel.

    The wisdom of your noble and high-minded ancestors should not be so lightly cast aside in favor of the childish murmuring of a tribe of hairy barbarians.
    , @utu
    Reflecting on mortality is not fatalism or at least it was not when the song was written. 'Memento mori' was supposed to give meaning to your life. Certainly death was not seen as gravity that drags you down. Rather elevation and culmination.
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  214. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    By premium I had in mind the current trend of high quality, serialized television programs. Perhaps not the best terminology since premium TV traditionally means HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc.

    And yes you need the internet for Netflix.

    Drinking is a lot more expensive than any kind of TV, so heavy drinkers aside from the very rich always economize in various ways.

    I used to go through a handle of liquor a night and definitely did not buy top shelf.

    40 shots of liquor a night? I’ve heard of people doing this – apparently actors used to. Supposedly it was even somewhat common.

    Is it really possible?

    How much do you drink now?

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    It's definitely possible, though not for everyone.

    I drink infrequently now and in modest amounts. Spent a long period completely dry. Did some AA as well. I truly liked the people in my AA group, but ultimately could not accept their beliefs and thus stopped attending.

    Occasional slip up here and there.

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  215. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I sort of believe in this, but nonetheless think that there is beauty in the struggle. I don't know who to credit and google doesn't pull anything up, but I faintly recall a notion that life itself is a daily defiance against the eternal law of gravity that must drag us down. And one day, we will no longer be able to defy it and surrender to it to become inanimate matter. But yet, awareness of that inevitability should not consign us to mere passivity.

    Though we may be but brains in a jar and life itself be an illusion, we am yet part of it and why should we not strive? In our successes and our failures, in our victories and tragedies, in the stories we live and leave behind, spins something like meaning into existence.

    And that, I think, is beautiful.

    But if life is a dream, then everything is already perfect, and we have but to free ourselves of delusion and realize it, and then striving appears merely as a misunderstanding. All meaning is already present, and no striving can add anything.

    The sage does not strive, Daniel.

    The wisdom of your noble and high-minded ancestors should not be so lightly cast aside in favor of the childish murmuring of a tribe of hairy barbarians.

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    Confucius was a sage and he certainly strived: he wanted to discover what was right or wrong, he wanted to find out how to achieve harmony without conformity(which he was actually against), he wanted to discover how to reconcile the desires of humans with the needs of society. In old age, he was frustrated by the thought that he had accomplished little, but it was his striving that provided the Analects, which if nothing else, is a work of art.

    But more importantly, whether or not life is an illusion, we live in it. Passivity is boring. But you're welcome to indulge in it.
    , @Bliss

    The sage does not strive
     
    Buddha’s last words: Strive on with diligence
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  216. Talha says:
    @AP
    Roxelana was what we now call Ukrainian:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrem_Sultan

    Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Kingdom.[4] She was born in the town of Rohatyn, 68 km south-east of Lwów, a major city of the Ruthenian Voivodeship in the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland.[5] According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a father who was an Orthodox priest.[6][5]

    In the 1520s, Crimean Tatars captured her during one of their frequent raids into Ruthenia.

    More background for friendly Ukrainian and Turkish relations!

    Peace.

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    There should be a movie about Roxelana. I think it would be very cool because you could have the women of the harem knitting or sewing - symbolic of them weaving plots against each other.
    , @for-the-record
    More background for friendly Ukrainian and Turkish relations!

    Indeed.

    According to the calculation of a Ukrainian encyclopedia that appeared in 2002, between 2 and 2.5 million Ukrainians, Belorussians and Russians were taken in slave raids by Crimean Tatars between 1482 and 1760, for the benefit of the Ottoman Empire.

    Alexandre Skirda, La traite des Slaves, p. 6.
     
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  217. @AaronB
    40 shots of liquor a night? I've heard of people doing this - apparently actors used to. Supposedly it was even somewhat common.

    Is it really possible?

    How much do you drink now?

    It’s definitely possible, though not for everyone.

    I drink infrequently now and in modest amounts. Spent a long period completely dry. Did some AA as well. I truly liked the people in my AA group, but ultimately could not accept their beliefs and thus stopped attending.

    Occasional slip up here and there.

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    Very interesting, thanks. The most I ever drank across 12 hours of partying was 20 drinks, and I couldn't do that now.

    After ones riotous youth, modest drinking is surely best.
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  218. Talha says:
    @AaronB
    I'nshallah, Daniel, I'nshallah.

    I've always wanted to make that phrase part of my regular vocabulary. It expresses a proper uncaring fatalism. The Muslims know how to be free of the mind forge'd manacles - well, they used to. The new Muslims care far too much, and have become cucks. They no longer have faith in Allah's unbounded munificence.

    If Anatoly were to be the recipient of my unbounded munificence, he'd have to de-cuckify himself and adopt a glorious attitude of uncaring fatalism, which, I am sorry to say, he is far from doing.

    It is not time yet for me to disappear into the deserts lonely wastes, but i'nshallah, soon.

    I’nshallah…expresses a proper uncaring fatalism.

    Just a note on how we Muslims use it. It is a beautiful phrase we use often for the important (InshaAllah, the Ummah will unite.) to the very mundane (InshaAllah, I’ll get the milk this evening.).

    However, it is not used to excuse oneself from making adequate preparations or exerting one’s best effort – rather, it is a recognition that – despite all efforts and preparations one makes – success is only through the grace of God and His willing it to be so, thus He gets all praise and credit.

    Religious Muslims will also often use the phrase “Tie your camel” among themselves as a reminder to one another to put in one’s effort and due diligence:
    “A man said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, should I tie my camel and trust in Allah, or should I leave her untied and trust in Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said, ‘Tie her and trust in Allah.’” – reported in Tirmidhi

    But I encourage its frequent use or even the translation “God willing”.

    Peace.

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    However, it is not used to excuse oneself from making adequate preparations or exerting one’s best effort – rather, it is a recognition that – despite all efforts and preparations one makes – success is only through the grace of God and His willing it to be so, thus He gets all praise.
     
    Thanks for the clarification. Of course, this makes sense. This is still very sensible and healthy fatalism that we should all adopt. Better than a xanax.

    But I encourage its frequent use or even the translation “God willing”.
     
    Bah! God willing has lost all its sting - it's almost secular. I used to say it as an atheist. It's lost its poetry. It's 'inshallah or nothing.
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  219. @AaronB
    But if life is a dream, then everything is already perfect, and we have but to free ourselves of delusion and realize it, and then striving appears merely as a misunderstanding. All meaning is already present, and no striving can add anything.

    The sage does not strive, Daniel.

    The wisdom of your noble and high-minded ancestors should not be so lightly cast aside in favor of the childish murmuring of a tribe of hairy barbarians.

    Confucius was a sage and he certainly strived: he wanted to discover what was right or wrong, he wanted to find out how to achieve harmony without conformity(which he was actually against), he wanted to discover how to reconcile the desires of humans with the needs of society. In old age, he was frustrated by the thought that he had accomplished little, but it was his striving that provided the Analects, which if nothing else, is a work of art.

    But more importantly, whether or not life is an illusion, we live in it. Passivity is boring. But you’re welcome to indulge in it.

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    That's true, Confucius, on the surface at least, was a striver. But I wonder - he wanted man to conform to timeless patterns that had been lost.

    I do not encourage passivity - merely non-striving. Activity only becomes interesting when one realizes there is nothing worth striving for. Modern man is not deep enough to see life as play.

    Obsessed with work, we are not yet worthy of such a profound philosophy. But we may be, soon. After the collapse.
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  220. songbird says:
    @Talha
    More background for friendly Ukrainian and Turkish relations!

    Peace.

    There should be a movie about Roxelana. I think it would be very cool because you could have the women of the harem knitting or sewing – symbolic of them weaving plots against each other.

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    The Turks beat you to it already with a TV series:
    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1848220/

    Here is a scene where she initially grabs the attention of the Sultan, brilliantly done - feminine charms at full throttle!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjY5zVvKSHQ

    I don’t watch the series, but I’ve seen some clips here and there and it has the palace intrigues you mentioned.

    Peace.
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  221. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    It's definitely possible, though not for everyone.

    I drink infrequently now and in modest amounts. Spent a long period completely dry. Did some AA as well. I truly liked the people in my AA group, but ultimately could not accept their beliefs and thus stopped attending.

    Occasional slip up here and there.

    Very interesting, thanks. The most I ever drank across 12 hours of partying was 20 drinks, and I couldn’t do that now.

    After ones riotous youth, modest drinking is surely best.

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  222. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    I’nshallah...expresses a proper uncaring fatalism.
     
    Just a note on how we Muslims use it. It is a beautiful phrase we use often for the important (InshaAllah, the Ummah will unite.) to the very mundane (InshaAllah, I'll get the milk this evening.).

    However, it is not used to excuse oneself from making adequate preparations or exerting one's best effort - rather, it is a recognition that - despite all efforts and preparations one makes - success is only through the grace of God and His willing it to be so, thus He gets all praise and credit.

    Religious Muslims will also often use the phrase "Tie your camel" among themselves as a reminder to one another to put in one's effort and due diligence:
    "A man said, 'O Messenger of Allah, should I tie my camel and trust in Allah, or should I leave her untied and trust in Allah?' The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said, 'Tie her and trust in Allah.'" - reported in Tirmidhi

    But I encourage its frequent use or even the translation "God willing".

    Peace.

    However, it is not used to excuse oneself from making adequate preparations or exerting one’s best effort – rather, it is a recognition that – despite all efforts and preparations one makes – success is only through the grace of God and His willing it to be so, thus He gets all praise.

    Thanks for the clarification. Of course, this makes sense. This is still very sensible and healthy fatalism that we should all adopt. Better than a xanax.

    But I encourage its frequent use or even the translation “God willing”.

    Bah! God willing has lost all its sting – it’s almost secular. I used to say it as an atheist. It’s lost its poetry. It’s ‘inshallah or nothing.

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  223. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Confucius was a sage and he certainly strived: he wanted to discover what was right or wrong, he wanted to find out how to achieve harmony without conformity(which he was actually against), he wanted to discover how to reconcile the desires of humans with the needs of society. In old age, he was frustrated by the thought that he had accomplished little, but it was his striving that provided the Analects, which if nothing else, is a work of art.

    But more importantly, whether or not life is an illusion, we live in it. Passivity is boring. But you're welcome to indulge in it.

    That’s true, Confucius, on the surface at least, was a striver. But I wonder – he wanted man to conform to timeless patterns that had been lost.

    I do not encourage passivity – merely non-striving. Activity only becomes interesting when one realizes there is nothing worth striving for. Modern man is not deep enough to see life as play.

    Obsessed with work, we are not yet worthy of such a profound philosophy. But we may be, soon. After the collapse.

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    Confucius highly promoted self-improvement and cultivation, actually, and was pretty practical: he wanted to reduce poverty, war and rebellion. He saw injustice and misrule around him and wanted to make things better through the promotion of virtue(which he also believed would increase efficiency in government). More than anything else, that really defined his life and his philosophy is humanistic.

    He was not a Taoist, and he did not get along with Laozi when they met. He did not seem to attach much importance in the supernatural.

    At any rate, the more extreme Mozi, of course, dismissed the notion of a timeless pattern and stated that all traditional ideas were once innovative ideas and the progressively life could get better for everyone once the appropriate normative values were found. Although Mozi's ideas did not catch on, its hardly only a foreign notion. Incidentally, one of their specific texts is named "Condemning Fatalism."
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  224. Talha says:
    @songbird
    There should be a movie about Roxelana. I think it would be very cool because you could have the women of the harem knitting or sewing - symbolic of them weaving plots against each other.

    The Turks beat you to it already with a TV series:

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1848220/

    Here is a scene where she initially grabs the attention of the Sultan, brilliantly done – feminine charms at full throttle!

    I don’t watch the series, but I’ve seen some clips here and there and it has the palace intrigues you mentioned.

    Peace.

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    Thanks, but, for the most part, I can't stand serials. And it seems to have a really big episode count. It's certainly an interesting period though, and the Ottoman Sultans were a pretty interesting group.

    What was that custom they had? On the death of the Sultan all the sons but one were strangled. I mentioned it to someone once who had been a tourist in Istanbul, and they could hardly believe it. Then I joked that if his father were a king in medieval times and died, then he and his brothers would be instantly at each other's throats, which given history, might be true.
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  225. Bliss says:
    @AaronB
    But if life is a dream, then everything is already perfect, and we have but to free ourselves of delusion and realize it, and then striving appears merely as a misunderstanding. All meaning is already present, and no striving can add anything.

    The sage does not strive, Daniel.

    The wisdom of your noble and high-minded ancestors should not be so lightly cast aside in favor of the childish murmuring of a tribe of hairy barbarians.

    The sage does not strive

    Buddha’s last words: Strive on with diligence

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    No, it's work out your salvation with diligence. Your salvation ends up being the insight that nothing in the phenomenal world is worth striving for. That is dispelling delusions. The path to bliss.

    Some people only enjoy action films - I don't begrudge them that. I enjoy the occasional action film, but too often and I am bored to tears. But some people prefer Brad Pitt films to Tarkovsky - that's fine.

    But even the uncouth enjoyer of Brad Pitt can benefit from a touch of that Buddhist detachment, and not take all that action entirely seriously....

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  226. AP says:

    Here is a Canadian writing about America in a similar spirit to how some pro-Russian posters write about Ukraine:

    https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-case-for-invading-america/

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    The problem with this is that the Ukraine is Canada.

    A fake and gay country which only exists owing to the benevolence/naivete of its far more powerful neighbor.

    Canada is a completely fake country and its continued existence is extremely offensive.
    , @utu
    He has a sense of humor unlike the Russian who write about Ukraine.
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  227. AaronB says:
    @Bliss

    The sage does not strive
     
    Buddha’s last words: Strive on with diligence

    No, it’s work out your salvation with diligence. Your salvation ends up being the insight that nothing in the phenomenal world is worth striving for. That is dispelling delusions. The path to bliss.

    Some people only enjoy action films – I don’t begrudge them that. I enjoy the occasional action film, but too often and I am bored to tears. But some people prefer Brad Pitt films to Tarkovsky – that’s fine.

    But even the uncouth enjoyer of Brad Pitt can benefit from a touch of that Buddhist detachment, and not take all that action entirely seriously….

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    No, it’s work out your salvation with diligence.
     
    https://fakebuddhaquotes.com/work-out-your-own-salvation-do-not-depend-on-others/

    The Buddha’s last words were appamadena sampadetha, which is literally “strive diligently,” but which an early translator, Paul Carus, rendered rather liberally in his Gospel of Buddha as “work out your salvation with diligence.” I know from dipping into his translation (and it’s even obvious from the book’s title) that Carus was concerned to make Buddhism resemble Christianity

    Your idea that the ‘sage does not strive’ is BS. You are misleading people. You have to strive diligently to achieve detachment.

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  228. songbird says:
    @Talha
    The Turks beat you to it already with a TV series:
    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1848220/

    Here is a scene where she initially grabs the attention of the Sultan, brilliantly done - feminine charms at full throttle!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjY5zVvKSHQ

    I don’t watch the series, but I’ve seen some clips here and there and it has the palace intrigues you mentioned.

    Peace.

    Thanks, but, for the most part, I can’t stand serials. And it seems to have a really big episode count. It’s certainly an interesting period though, and the Ottoman Sultans were a pretty interesting group.

    What was that custom they had? On the death of the Sultan all the sons but one were strangled. I mentioned it to someone once who had been a tourist in Istanbul, and they could hardly believe it. Then I joked that if his father were a king in medieval times and died, then he and his brothers would be instantly at each other’s throats, which given history, might be true.

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    The Ottomans were indeed a very interesting dynasty - straddling both the Asian and European spheres, they could be quite eclectic. And yes, they did have the custom of fratricide:
    "Before then, Ottoman succession had been governed by the “law of fratricide” drawn up by Mehmed II in the middle of the 15th century. Under the terms of this remarkable piece of legislation, whichever member of the ruling dynasty succeeded in seizing the throne on the death of the old sultan was not merely permitted, but enjoined, to murder all his brothers (together with any inconvenient uncles and cousins) in order to reduce the risk of subsequent rebellion and civil war."
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ottoman-empires-life-or-death-race-164064882/

    I don't justify it since there is no Shariah sanction for this kind of behavior - it was a Machiavellian solution to the possibility of bloody civil wars of succession. This was something the Ottomans experienced first hand during the interregnum that occurred when the standing sultan was captured by Tamerlane's army at the Battle of Ankara.

    The Ottomans definitely hold the world record for longest successive dynasty; at 600+ years. It is a not only a rare feat but even more so given the vast amount of change in the world that happened over that span of history.

    Peace.
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  229. Bliss says:
    @AaronB
    No, it's work out your salvation with diligence. Your salvation ends up being the insight that nothing in the phenomenal world is worth striving for. That is dispelling delusions. The path to bliss.

    Some people only enjoy action films - I don't begrudge them that. I enjoy the occasional action film, but too often and I am bored to tears. But some people prefer Brad Pitt films to Tarkovsky - that's fine.

    But even the uncouth enjoyer of Brad Pitt can benefit from a touch of that Buddhist detachment, and not take all that action entirely seriously....

    No, it’s work out your salvation with diligence.

    https://fakebuddhaquotes.com/work-out-your-own-salvation-do-not-depend-on-others/

    The Buddha’s last words were appamadena sampadetha, which is literally “strive diligently,” but which an early translator, Paul Carus, rendered rather liberally in his Gospel of Buddha as “work out your salvation with diligence.” I know from dipping into his translation (and it’s even obvious from the book’s title) that Carus was concerned to make Buddhism resemble Christianity

    Your idea that the ‘sage does not strive’ is BS. You are misleading people. You have to strive diligently to achieve detachment.

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    So then strive. Life is an action movie :) Go get em.
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  230. @AP
    Here is a Canadian writing about America in a similar spirit to how some pro-Russian posters write about Ukraine:

    https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-case-for-invading-america/

    The problem with this is that the Ukraine is Canada.

    A fake and gay country which only exists owing to the benevolence/naivete of its far more powerful neighbor.

    Canada is a completely fake country and its continued existence is extremely offensive.

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    The problem with this is that the Ukraine is Canada.
     
    The problem with the USA/Canada analogy is that Ukrainians speak a different language and have centuries more of a separate history.

    So Ukraine is Russia's or Poland's Canada only in the sense that Romania is Italy's Canada.

    only exists owing to the benevolence/naivete of its far more powerful neighbor
     
    Benevolence is not true, on balance; naivete is true but this is expressed in the idea of Ukraine being fake.

    Canada is a completely fake country
     
    English-speaking Canada is the part of America that did not betray its king, French-speaking Canada is the part of France that was betrayed by its king. How is this more fake than the country of rebels, justified by some 18th century philosophy?
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  231. AaronB says:
    @Bliss

    No, it’s work out your salvation with diligence.
     
    https://fakebuddhaquotes.com/work-out-your-own-salvation-do-not-depend-on-others/

    The Buddha’s last words were appamadena sampadetha, which is literally “strive diligently,” but which an early translator, Paul Carus, rendered rather liberally in his Gospel of Buddha as “work out your salvation with diligence.” I know from dipping into his translation (and it’s even obvious from the book’s title) that Carus was concerned to make Buddhism resemble Christianity

    Your idea that the ‘sage does not strive’ is BS. You are misleading people. You have to strive diligently to achieve detachment.

    So then strive. Life is an action movie :) Go get em.

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    So then strive. Life is an action movie :)
     
    The joke is on you pal. For naively thinking that the word ‘striving’ only applies to strenuous physical exertions. Buddha certainly wasn’t exhorting his disciples to get actively immersed in Maya, was he? Quite the opposite.

    Maya has a powerful grip on the mind of man. And it is in the mind that the real ‘action’, the striving for liberation from the illusion, must take place. Buddha himself strived didn’t he? So what the hell makes you think that sages don’t strive?

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  232. @AaronB
    That's true, Confucius, on the surface at least, was a striver. But I wonder - he wanted man to conform to timeless patterns that had been lost.

    I do not encourage passivity - merely non-striving. Activity only becomes interesting when one realizes there is nothing worth striving for. Modern man is not deep enough to see life as play.

    Obsessed with work, we are not yet worthy of such a profound philosophy. But we may be, soon. After the collapse.

    Confucius highly promoted self-improvement and cultivation, actually, and was pretty practical: he wanted to reduce poverty, war and rebellion. He saw injustice and misrule around him and wanted to make things better through the promotion of virtue(which he also believed would increase efficiency in government). More than anything else, that really defined his life and his philosophy is humanistic.

    He was not a Taoist, and he did not get along with Laozi when they met. He did not seem to attach much importance in the supernatural.

    At any rate, the more extreme Mozi, of course, dismissed the notion of a timeless pattern and stated that all traditional ideas were once innovative ideas and the progressively life could get better for everyone once the appropriate normative values were found. Although Mozi’s ideas did not catch on, its hardly only a foreign notion. Incidentally, one of their specific texts is named “Condemning Fatalism.”

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    I have not read much Confucius - I respect him but have never found him particularly inspiring. I know he is frequently made the butt of jokes in the Chuang Tzu and Lieh Tzu.

    My sense is that he is far closer to Taoists than he is to the modern sensibility of hard work - and that he is in in some ways merely a more exoteric and formalistic version of Taoists, but I'd have to read more of him to really follow up on these hunches.

    That being said, the kind of limited improvements you mention, like reducing poverty and the like, are not what I have in mind when I say don't strive.

    What I mean is there is no need to engage in any sustained and intense effort to fundamentally alter the state of mankind or the earth in a basic sense - in that sense, Confucius was quite as much against striving as anyone, seeing how he wished to restore timeless patterns that had already been discovered to best promote human flourishing and harmony.

    This pre-modern sensibility was widespread - shared by the Greeks and Romans and medieval society. Aristotle and Thomas Acquinas both placed contemplation above activity, and otiumwas considered an essential ingredient of the good life.

    In this scheme, one is not merely passive, of course, but engages in activities that are intrinsically satisfying - walking in nature, good conversation, friendship, poetry, wine, and the like, contemplation of God - rather than make a sustained effort to fundamentally alter man's condition through physical activity.

    In this scheme, small scale limited action to effect local improvement is quite in order, like alleviating poverty and suffering, but massive sustained effort - heavy work - was not in good repute, for the simple reason that strictly material conditions were not considered to be the determinants of mans happiness.

    In such a world, you do not really take material things seriously - and physical activity is more like play than work.

    The modern attitude is quite the reverse of this, because the underlying belief system has changed - we now take physical things quite seriously, and believe that by controlling them we can fundamentally alter our position and achieve happiness, thus heavy sustained effort towards this future goal has replaced intrinsically satisfying activity for its own sake, much less spontaneous, disorganised activity that seeks happiness by surrendering control to Nature and being dictated to by it rather than dictating to it.

    This, by the way, is why China was not creative and the West was - China simply didn't believe that we could achieve ultimate happiness through manipulating material things, though a few inventions every now and then as the need arose might make sense, and alleviating poverty somewhat might also be desirable, although hardly worth expending too much effort on as poverty wasn't seen as the calamity it is today.

    Or so I believe.

    Which system tended to produce more happiness and satisfaction and sanity, and which is based on a truer and more profound metaphysics - that is for each of us to judge, although in my view the evidence is in and blindingly clear.

    As for Mozi, you seem to be saying he too believed in ultimately discovering and settling down with normative values. Either way, I know little of him but I don't think he's considered one of the great sages of the world, although he may have been a prominent philosopher in China.

    I was being a bit tongue in cheek when I said you should hew to the traditions of your ancestors and reject the beliefs of the hairy barbarians - hairy as they may be, they had strikingly similar notions to those of your ancestors and only deviated in modern times, and as you note, one cannot make a clean demarcation between East and West as similar ideas appeared in both regions at different times and in different guises.
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  233. Yevardian says:
    @reiner Tor

    A surprising amount of Hungarians feel nostalgic for it.
     
    There are two things which were better: proles had a better life (only recently did life get better for them due to the large scale emigration to the EU and the resulting labor shortage), and there was a general sense of continuity: you were expected to live your life out in Hungary, with things worse than in Western Europe but better than our neighbors (and constantly improving), and you didn’t expect to see your children leave the country. Just to give an example of how life was better, meat consumption was at its all time high in the 1970s.

    To put it in perspective, when I was a child, most old people were quite nostalgic for the previous Horthy era, which was probably even better than the communist system in many ways, and not much worse even for proles. It must be kept in mind that a lot of the improvements is coming from technological progress and not the switch to capitalism. (The same was true back then.) Of course, not much of the innovation happened in communist countries, and when it did, it was often not implemented.

    It’s the same (well actually, quite a lot worse) in Romania or Armenia today. Whole villages and even many small towns wholly abandoned by anyone under 40. Living standards might be better on the whole, but seeing such things across the country gives very pessimistic feelings about the future.

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  234. AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The problem with this is that the Ukraine is Canada.

    A fake and gay country which only exists owing to the benevolence/naivete of its far more powerful neighbor.

    Canada is a completely fake country and its continued existence is extremely offensive.

    The problem with this is that the Ukraine is Canada.

    The problem with the USA/Canada analogy is that Ukrainians speak a different language and have centuries more of a separate history.

    So Ukraine is Russia’s or Poland’s Canada only in the sense that Romania is Italy’s Canada.

    only exists owing to the benevolence/naivete of its far more powerful neighbor

    Benevolence is not true, on balance; naivete is true but this is expressed in the idea of Ukraine being fake.

    Canada is a completely fake country

    English-speaking Canada is the part of America that did not betray its king, French-speaking Canada is the part of France that was betrayed by its king. How is this more fake than the country of rebels, justified by some 18th century philosophy?

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    Are you seriously going to defend Canada?

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/30/08/1A6D4B4B00000514-0-image-a-1_1522395724267.jpg
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  235. utu says:
    @AP
    Here is a Canadian writing about America in a similar spirit to how some pro-Russian posters write about Ukraine:

    https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-case-for-invading-america/

    He has a sense of humor unlike the Russian who write about Ukraine.

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  236. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I sort of believe in this, but nonetheless think that there is beauty in the struggle. I don't know who to credit and google doesn't pull anything up, but I faintly recall a notion that life itself is a daily defiance against the eternal law of gravity that must drag us down. And one day, we will no longer be able to defy it and surrender to it to become inanimate matter. But yet, awareness of that inevitability should not consign us to mere passivity.

    Though we may be but brains in a jar and life itself be an illusion, we am yet part of it and why should we not strive? In our successes and our failures, in our victories and tragedies, in the stories we live and leave behind, spins something like meaning into existence.

    And that, I think, is beautiful.

    Reflecting on mortality is not fatalism or at least it was not when the song was written. ‘Memento mori’ was supposed to give meaning to your life. Certainly death was not seen as gravity that drags you down. Rather elevation and culmination.

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  237. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Confucius highly promoted self-improvement and cultivation, actually, and was pretty practical: he wanted to reduce poverty, war and rebellion. He saw injustice and misrule around him and wanted to make things better through the promotion of virtue(which he also believed would increase efficiency in government). More than anything else, that really defined his life and his philosophy is humanistic.

    He was not a Taoist, and he did not get along with Laozi when they met. He did not seem to attach much importance in the supernatural.

    At any rate, the more extreme Mozi, of course, dismissed the notion of a timeless pattern and stated that all traditional ideas were once innovative ideas and the progressively life could get better for everyone once the appropriate normative values were found. Although Mozi's ideas did not catch on, its hardly only a foreign notion. Incidentally, one of their specific texts is named "Condemning Fatalism."

    I have not read much Confucius – I respect him but have never found him particularly inspiring. I know he is frequently made the butt of jokes in the Chuang Tzu and Lieh Tzu.

    My sense is that he is far closer to Taoists than he is to the modern sensibility of hard work – and that he is in in some ways merely a more exoteric and formalistic version of Taoists, but I’d have to read more of him to really follow up on these hunches.

    That being said, the kind of limited improvements you mention, like reducing poverty and the like, are not what I have in mind when I say don’t strive.

    What I mean is there is no need to engage in any sustained and intense effort to fundamentally alter the state of mankind or the earth in a basic sense – in that sense, Confucius was quite as much against striving as anyone, seeing how he wished to restore timeless patterns that had already been discovered to best promote human flourishing and harmony.

    This pre-modern sensibility was widespread – shared by the Greeks and Romans and medieval society. Aristotle and Thomas Acquinas both placed contemplation above activity, and otiumwas considered an essential ingredient of the good life.

    In this scheme, one is not merely passive, of course, but engages in activities that are intrinsically satisfying – walking in nature, good conversation, friendship, poetry, wine, and the like, contemplation of God – rather than make a sustained effort to fundamentally alter man’s condition through physical activity.

    In this scheme, small scale limited action to effect local improvement is quite in order, like alleviating poverty and suffering, but massive sustained effort – heavy work – was not in good repute, for the simple reason that strictly material conditions were not considered to be the determinants of mans happiness.

    In such a world, you do not really take material things seriously – and physical activity is more like play than work.

    The modern attitude is quite the reverse of this, because the underlying belief system has changed – we now take physical things quite seriously, and believe that by controlling them we can fundamentally alter our position and achieve happiness, thus heavy sustained effort towards this future goal has replaced intrinsically satisfying activity for its own sake, much less spontaneous, disorganised activity that seeks happiness by surrendering control to Nature and being dictated to by it rather than dictating to it.

    This, by the way, is why China was not creative and the West was – China simply didn’t believe that we could achieve ultimate happiness through manipulating material things, though a few inventions every now and then as the need arose might make sense, and alleviating poverty somewhat might also be desirable, although hardly worth expending too much effort on as poverty wasn’t seen as the calamity it is today.

    Or so I believe.

    Which system tended to produce more happiness and satisfaction and sanity, and which is based on a truer and more profound metaphysics – that is for each of us to judge, although in my view the evidence is in and blindingly clear.

    As for Mozi, you seem to be saying he too believed in ultimately discovering and settling down with normative values. Either way, I know little of him but I don’t think he’s considered one of the great sages of the world, although he may have been a prominent philosopher in China.

    I was being a bit tongue in cheek when I said you should hew to the traditions of your ancestors and reject the beliefs of the hairy barbarians – hairy as they may be, they had strikingly similar notions to those of your ancestors and only deviated in modern times, and as you note, one cannot make a clean demarcation between East and West as similar ideas appeared in both regions at different times and in different guises.

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  238. AaronB says:

    To be short, traditional societies believe that the path to happiness, liberation, and release, was to not take this material world very seriously or care too much about anything in it, including your own precious self. To understand that it is merely an illusion, a dream.

    This is obviously anti-progress, and to a certain extent, anti-activity even.

    The modern word is based on the exact opposite idea. Everyone is extremely serious, takes everything extremely seriously, is always working towards some future goal rather than engaging in intrinsically satisfying activity, and is consequently full of anxiety, concern, anger, and resentment – and no fun, as well as all sorts of bizarre pathologies as people take physical things like gender and its impact on ones happiness far too seriously.

    And that, is the long and short of it, and the end of my sermon.

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    I think that you're overreaching your case against activity. An excellent example, of say, Stoic thought is Marcus Aurelius who indeed often mused on the notion of the world as a dream - but he certainly was not anti-activity. Consider for example, both his considerations on the futility of life:

    In man's life, time is but a moment; being, a flux; sense is dim; the material frame corruptible; soul, an eddy of breath; fortune a thing inscrutable, and fame precarious.

    Yet it did not prevent him from seeking to act for a non-satisfying activity:

    Always follow these two rules: first, act only on what your reasoning mind proposes for the good of humanity, and second, change your opinion if someone shows you it's wrong. This change of mind must proceed only from the conviction that it's both correct and for the common good, but not because it will give you pleasure and make you popular.

    And thus his considerations on virtue:

    Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

    And yes, he was a very, very serious person. A very, very frustrated emperor and person, too. But hardly a poor thinker.

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  239. @Talha
    More background for friendly Ukrainian and Turkish relations!

    Peace.

    More background for friendly Ukrainian and Turkish relations!

    Indeed.

    According to the calculation of a Ukrainian encyclopedia that appeared in 2002, between 2 and 2.5 million Ukrainians, Belorussians and Russians were taken in slave raids by Crimean Tatars between 1482 and 1760, for the benefit of the Ottoman Empire.

    Alexandre Skirda, La traite des Slaves, p. 6.

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    The Turks are practically Ukrainians at that rate of concubinage!!! Even more reasons!

    Peace.
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  240. @Thorfinnsson
    This is Churchianity, not Christianity.

    Your parish priest (Romish Popery?) is a heretic. Or perhaps worse, as it's increasingly clear that the so-called Bishop of Rome serves the Lord of Lies.

    Ephesians 5:22-33


    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church– for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery — but I am talking about Christ and the church.

    However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
     

    The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

    1 Corinthians 7:4

    “But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

    Mark 10:6

    Christianity is a religion about the physical world and the flesh, in a literal sense. Any attempt to twist it into something “spiritual” or a platform of ideas or feelings is satanic.

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  241. @Bliss

    4 wives and unlimited concubines sounds about right if you can afford them
     
    What is worse: using PUA or slavery for sex?

    It is obscene to see someone like you acting holier than thou....

    Don’t argue with Muslims or Ukrainians. They have a hidden agenda and you’ll do no good.

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  242. Talha says:
    @for-the-record
    More background for friendly Ukrainian and Turkish relations!

    Indeed.

    According to the calculation of a Ukrainian encyclopedia that appeared in 2002, between 2 and 2.5 million Ukrainians, Belorussians and Russians were taken in slave raids by Crimean Tatars between 1482 and 1760, for the benefit of the Ottoman Empire.

    Alexandre Skirda, La traite des Slaves, p. 6.
     

    The Turks are practically Ukrainians at that rate of concubinage!!! Even more reasons!

    Peace.

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  243. Talha says:
    @Dmitry
    It's normal for young man, to want more better looking women.

    But to be as a psychopath, which is what AaronB describes.

    Psychopaths (and some other personality disordered people) pretend to be perfect boyfriend for one woman, then soon later another one, etc, and are always creating weird power and control relations to manipulate their victims in the relationship, while feeling no emotion themselves.

    There's quite a lot of women who are like this as well. It's very much a spectrum though, where some are more extreme than others.

    I'm sure we all have experience of women which are trying manipulate them, even the moment you meet them. Although most girls are not like this, which is why it is so weird when you encounter a manipulating one (and your phone -the first victim).

    But sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists (just as born swindlers) exist in every society in the world. The personality can take advantage of societies with high social capital and a lot of gullible people. And in current modern society, there are a lot of gullible people (even a lot of gullible rich men, who marry the first manipulative girl that looks at their wallet).

    It’s normal for young man, to want more better looking women.

    It’s normal for an old man to want more better looking women. Women are at the top of men’s worldly desires – this is why this is such a big issue; if you screw up on this one, all hell breaks loose on your society and you can collapse your civilization.

    It is also normal for a person to start salivating at the smell of every fresh pizza, doesn’t mean he should eat every one he comes across.

    I’m sure we all have experience of women which are trying manipulate them, even the moment you meet them.

    Honestly, the only women I interacted with on the subject of relationships were around 4 or 5 and that was because we were discussing/negotiating the possibility of getting married. None of them were manipulative, the majority simply didn’t work out since we were not compatible or the person was not ready to commit or went with another proposal – the discussions were fairly swift and to the point. You guys have likely interacted with way more women than me, but in a completely different context, so I’ll have to assume you have more experience on the subject.

    And in current modern society, there are a lot of gullible people (even a lot of gullible rich men, who marry the first manipulative girl that looks at their wallet).

    As they say; a fool and his money are soon parted with. However, I assume that – in these sugar daddy relationships, assuming this is what you are speaking about – the man is not altogether the innocent victim and that he is getting the sugar he is paying through the nose for.

    Peace.

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    normal for an old man to want
     
    For young men - normal and healthy. For old men - inappropriate, and sign of lack of development.

    I interacted with on the subject of relationships were around
     
    It will be different numbers for women for some disorders than men (and for others, higher numbers, but in less extreme form), but you will meet people with personality disorders.

    Around 1 in 10 people with a personality disorder.

    Some of the behaviour - very stereotypical things. But many people are not very when they meet it in real life.

    -

    People with narcissistic personality disorder, for example - more popular on first impression, than healthy people are. (But rapidly, after more acquaintance, making a bad impression).

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/40869027_Why_Are_Narcissists_so_Charming_at_First_Sight_Decoding_the_Narcissism-Popularity_Link_at_Zero_Acquaintance


    these sugar daddy relationships, assuming this is what you are speaking about – the man
     
    I assume - a lot of potential to attract inappropriate characters.
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  244. Talha says:
    @songbird
    Thanks, but, for the most part, I can't stand serials. And it seems to have a really big episode count. It's certainly an interesting period though, and the Ottoman Sultans were a pretty interesting group.

    What was that custom they had? On the death of the Sultan all the sons but one were strangled. I mentioned it to someone once who had been a tourist in Istanbul, and they could hardly believe it. Then I joked that if his father were a king in medieval times and died, then he and his brothers would be instantly at each other's throats, which given history, might be true.

    The Ottomans were indeed a very interesting dynasty – straddling both the Asian and European spheres, they could be quite eclectic. And yes, they did have the custom of fratricide:
    “Before then, Ottoman succession had been governed by the “law of fratricide” drawn up by Mehmed II in the middle of the 15th century. Under the terms of this remarkable piece of legislation, whichever member of the ruling dynasty succeeded in seizing the throne on the death of the old sultan was not merely permitted, but enjoined, to murder all his brothers (together with any inconvenient uncles and cousins) in order to reduce the risk of subsequent rebellion and civil war.”

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ottoman-empires-life-or-death-race-164064882/

    I don’t justify it since there is no Shariah sanction for this kind of behavior – it was a Machiavellian solution to the possibility of bloody civil wars of succession. This was something the Ottomans experienced first hand during the interregnum that occurred when the standing sultan was captured by Tamerlane’s army at the Battle of Ankara.

    The Ottomans definitely hold the world record for longest successive dynasty; at 600+ years. It is a not only a rare feat but even more so given the vast amount of change in the world that happened over that span of history.

    Peace.

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    I don’t justify it since there is no Shariah sanction for this kind of behavior – it was a Machiavellian solution to the possibility of bloody civil wars of succession. This was something the Ottomans experienced first hand during the interregnum that occurred when the standing sultan was captured by Tamerlane’s army at the Battle of Ankara
     
    Yet other dynasties managed to have orderly lines of succession for the most part without having to kill each other.
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  245. The Ottomans definitely hold the world record for longest successive dynasty; at 600+ years. It is a not only a rare feat but even more so given the vast amount of change in the world that happened over that span of history.

    The Danish monarchy is over a millennium old.

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    Under a single family name? Like the House of Osman?

    Peace.
    , @songbird
    By tradition, the Japanese monarchy is over 2600 years old. With a bit firmer evidence, about 1500 years old. Of course, they were mostly figureheads and Japan was very fractured for most of that time, so I don't think it is very analogous to the Ottoman sultans, though still impressive in a way.
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  246. @AP

    The problem with this is that the Ukraine is Canada.
     
    The problem with the USA/Canada analogy is that Ukrainians speak a different language and have centuries more of a separate history.

    So Ukraine is Russia's or Poland's Canada only in the sense that Romania is Italy's Canada.

    only exists owing to the benevolence/naivete of its far more powerful neighbor
     
    Benevolence is not true, on balance; naivete is true but this is expressed in the idea of Ukraine being fake.

    Canada is a completely fake country
     
    English-speaking Canada is the part of America that did not betray its king, French-speaking Canada is the part of France that was betrayed by its king. How is this more fake than the country of rebels, justified by some 18th century philosophy?

    Are you seriously going to defend Canada?