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You will have to excuse the paucity of posting this month. Many things going on. But I hope to get the Romania post out today.

I predicted that Russia would win against Saudi Arabia and Egypt (both happened), but would lose against Uruguay. We’ll see what happens tomorrow.

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* Turkey Presidential & legislative elections. My take is that Erdogan will be just shy of 50% in the first round.

  • AKP/Erdogan seem to usually underperform polls.
  • The Turkish economy is not doing so well (inflation is at 12%), while main rival Muharrem İnce is getting huge turnout (millions) at his rallies.
  • Many Turks are not happy with the Syrian refugees, esp. with Erdogan giving them citizenship.

* /ourguy/ Salvini is going from strength to strength: “I’ve asked for a census of the Roma community living in Italy. The irregular ones will be deported. However, we’ll have to keep” in Italy “the Romas with Italian citizenship, unfortunately.”

* Ian Hogarth – AI Nationalism

The central prediction I want to make and defend in this post is that continued rapid progress in machine learning will drive the emergence of a new kind of geopolitics; I have been calling it AI Nationalism. Machine learning is an omni-use technology that will come to touch all sectors and parts of society. The transformation of both the economy and the military by machine learning will create instability at the national and international level forcing governments to act. AI policy will become the single most important area of government policy. An accelerated arms race will emerge between key countries and we will see increased protectionist state action to support national champions, block takeovers by foreign firms and attract talent… This arms race will potentially speed up the pace of AI development and shorten the timescale for getting to AGI.

* Jared Taylor wins a partial victory against Twitter for banning his account. This sets an encouraging precedent.

* Conversely, ACLU has formally thrown in the towel on its prior commitment to absolute freedom of speech

The American Civil Liberties Union has explicitly endorsed the view that free speech can harm “marginalized” groups by undermining their civil rights. “Speech that denigrates such groups can inflict serious harms and is intended to and often will impede progress toward equality,” the ACLU declares in new guidelines governing case selection and “Conflicts Between Competing Values or Priorities.”

This was probably inevitable given current demographic (white decline) and cultural (SJWs) trends.

***

Russia

* Announcement of start in gradual increase of pension age to 65 years (from current 55 for women/60 for women) announced just after Russia’s 5:0 victory over Saudi Arabia. Much wailing & gnashing of teeth, but with life expectancy at 73 years and expected to continue rising, this was inevitable.

* Industrial growth getting revised upwards, suggests recovery from recession is stronger than first thought.

* Washington Post: Is Vladimir Putin’s Russia in decline? We figured out how to measure ‘national power.’

Conclusion: No, it isn’t. But base year is 2000, when Russia was at its all time nadir. It would be more interesting to do the analysis for, say, 2008-2018.

* Heavy South Korean tourism in Vladivostok [in Russian]. h/t Dmitry

* For anyone interested: Igor Strelkov makes a detailed post about his family history [in Russian]

***

World

* East European attitudes towards Russia and the US:

* Hungary passes its Stop Soros bill

* Northern Ireland attitudes towards reunification:

poll-north-ireland

* NBF: China’s future railgun Navy 2025 predicted by US Intelligence

* Chinese propaganda:

* There are now more births in North Korea than in South Korea, despite the latter having twice the former’s population.

* Yet another poll with stark Sweden Yes:

poll-europe-anti-immigration

***

Science & Culture

* Craig Willy: Europe’s tech race – trying to keep pace with US and China

* RBTH: 18 Russian Empire posters that will force you to buy an airplane (or powder)

* Cyberpunk 2077 highlights (h/t Polish Perspective):

* Abel L Peirson V, E Meltem Tolunay (2018) – Dank Learning: Generating Memes Using Deep Neural Networks

* OkCupid: Worth of human lives. (Scandis spotted. Gamblers, too).

map-poll-usa-human-lives-worth

* RIP Koko

***

Powerful Takes

* This is funny (and true). h/t Emil

not-real-socialism

* Intermittent fasting:

 
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  1. Mr. Hack says:

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    For anyone interested: Igor Strelkov makes a detailed post about his family history [in Russian]

    Here’s how the Crimean referendum was first hatched by no other than Igor Strelkov, the Robin Hood of Russian Triunists:

    In an interview on 22 January 2015 Igor Girkin, one of the major “Russian self-defence” commanders in 2014 Crimean crisis, explained that the “overwhelming national support for the self-defence” as portrayed by the Russian media was fiction, and they actually had to “forcibly drive the deputies to vote [to join Russia]“. Under his command, the rebels “collected” the deputies into the chambers to vote. A majority of the law enforcement, administration and army did not support the “self-defence” (one notable exception being Berkut) and only the presence of regular Russian army in Crimea “made the whole thing work”.[33][34] Girkin took part in commanding Russian troops in their capture of the Simferopol airport.[35]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Strelkov_(officer)

    Pretty sick I would say.

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  2. Beckow says:

    In Poland USA 70% positive – Russia only 24%; in Serbia Russia 90%, USA 24%. In Hungary USA 45%, Russia 38%.

    Seems about right. The differences in attitudes are quite dramatic. Czech Republic and Slovakia are roughly reversed, with Czechs about 20% more pro-USA and less pro-Russia than Slovaks. This has held since at least WWII and explains the country split in 1993.

    There are also strong within country variances: capitol cities are more pro-West (US) than provinces. Prague is crazily pro-US, rest of the country is evenly split.

    With these attitudes, only Poland could be relied on to be fully behind any attack on Russia. Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack. I suspect we will get more devilish acts and more propaganda to fix the numbers. And yet, after 20+ years of in-house propaganda domination, if West can only count on the hapless Poles, what was the money spent on? And Poles were already itching to fight Russia, I am not sure all that propaganda has increased it by much.

    I sometimes think it is idiots from Washington, Berlin, Brussels trying to noisily manipulate the local morons, with most people standing aside. How far can they take this madness?

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack.
     
    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR. Hungarians fought because they were afraid that if they didn’t join, the Germans would roll back all the territorial gains they made in the previous few years. They were also hoping to maybe gain some more, but explicitly weren’t interested in any areas of the USSR or Poland or any country or area not belonging to the Hungarian crown in 1900. Slovakia and Croatia were hoping to keep their independence, and either were hoping for territorial expansion or hoping to keep what they had.

    The soldiers weren’t very enthusiastic to fight deep inside of Russia in any of these countries, and they were hoping for the USSR to just collapse or the Germans to fight it out.
    , @Anon 2
    Poland doesn't have the slightest interest in attacking Russia. Is that what
    Slovaks like you wish for? I've known a number of Slovaks, and for the most
    part they are sober, rational people.

    Poland, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine, in other words, all of Russia's
    neighbors, deeply distrust, not so much ordinary Russians but the Russian
    government. Slovakia, Hungary or Germany, not being Russia's neighbors,
    have fewer reasons to distrust Russia. This is perfectly rational, based as it is
    on the last 300 years of Russian history - specifically on the fact that Russia
    has never been a democracy, and being autocratic means it's not really
    responsive to the will of the people (of course, Germany, France, and Britain are
    no longer reponsive to the will of the people when it comes to immigration
    but that's another story). I personally trust Russia a little bit more now that
    it's finally ruled by Russians, and not by foreigners like in the previous 200
    years, but it's still subject to the whims of its autocratic rulers like Putin.
    , @Hector_St_Clare
    Beckow,

    No, the Czech - Slovak split was in the opposite direction right after WWII. The communists won the 1948 free election in the Czech lands and lost in Slovakia.
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  3. This is ultimately what we are fighting against. Not for our nations per se, but against LIES.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    So which side do you take in that debate? Are you green with misanthropy, like Nevada, or red with altruism, like Minnesota?
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  4. Since this is an OPEN THREAD I can discuss one of my hobbies: blades.

    This hobby is not a hit with you all since no one responded to my comment about Victorinix Fibrox knives.

    But perhaps one of you will like this and improve your life as a result.

    In my super secret elite level messageboard which has operated now for 16 years with the same members we have a Secret Santa group. I chose to specialize in giving people high-end knives.

    I recently purchased a Spyderco folding knife with a 3.45″ (Euros: 88mm) blade made of ZDP-189 steel with a textured kydex case in British Racing Green. ZDP-189 is a specialty steel produced by the Hitachi corporation of Japan which is a so-called “high speed stainless powder steel”. It has a remarkable 3% carbon content and is the best steel available at any price for knives.

    I’ve been daily carrying this knife now for two weeks, and I am immensely satisfied with it. It is so sharp out of the box that it can cleanly cut neatly through paper with no effort.

    I order knives through the Knife Center, which I’ve been happily doing business with for the past three years: https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SP90PGRE2

    Highly recommend to all of you. Buy it!

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Your advice posts are always appreciated.

    Bonanza has already materially improved the lives of a few of my friends. And I did manage to find Greek olive oil a few days ago.
    , @user_s
    I have been looking for a carry knife for a while but have been a little overwhelmed by the options. That and not really even knowing what I am looking for. Will probably buy one.

    BTW, have you ever heard of Jay Butler? Pretty descent loafers given the price.

    https://jaybutler.com/
    , @Guillaume Tell
    Interesting.

    Now I have a question: it is my understanding that in most US states (with the exception of the hopelessly liberal ones like CA) one can relatively easily obtain a CCW permit. However it is also my understanding that this works only for firearms — not knives. Is that correct?

    Another way to ask the question is the following: does the 2nd Amendment apply to blades? For instance one could legally carry a long rifle with its ammunition but not the assorted bayonet. This seems a bit crazy.
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  5. Additionally I just ordered some Gucci horsebit crocodile skin loafers.

    https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/men/mens-shoes/mens-moccasins-loafers/1953-horsebit-crocodile-loafer-p-307929EC2001000?position=49&listName=PGUS4Cols&categoryPath=Men/Mens-Shoes/Mens-Moccasins-Loafers

    There is now no turning back. I have crossed the Rubicon. My life is forever changed.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There is now no turning back. I have crossed the Rubicon. My life is forever changed.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.
     
    Here you go brother, enjoy the view from the other side:

    https://youtu.be/hnzHtm1jhL4
    , @reiner Tor

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.
     
    There is a Jewish joke.

    Kohn meets the famously wealthy and avaricious Grün in Budapest, and notices how shabby his clothes are. He asks him: “Why are you wearing these rags? You could easily afford good tailored suits.” “Who cares? No one knows me here anyway.”

    Next week they meet in Kisvárda (Nowhereville in Eastern Hungary, was heavily Jewish before the war), and Grün is wearing the exact same worn-out shabby clothes. “Why are you still wearing these?” “Who cares? Everyone knows me here anyway.”
    , @Anonymous
    Liaisons with Indian bodybuilders?
    , @DFH
    gay
    , @Chet Bradley
    You mentioned a while back in another post that you're a millennial. These Guccis look like something your father would wear, if he were to have a pimpy taste in clothing (specifically the croc ones, not the regular leather). I am not objecting to the price, I just find your taste in clothing to be in conflict with your age. Based on all the millennials I've observed, and their taste in clothing, you'd be a sample of one. I'm a little older than you (assuming you're indeed a millennial) and I like and have multiple pairs of nice expensive Italian shoes , but I wouldn't be caught dead in those Guccis. They just send all the wrong signals.
    , @The Big Red Scary
    When I was a teenager and a family friend came to visit, an acquaintance of his (and a complete stranger to my family) invited all of us plebeians to the local yacht club for dinner. The menu had no prices printed on it, which made us rather uncomfortable. In the end, however, we decided the most graceful thing to do was order the steak and lobster without making a big deal about the expense.
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  6. Matra says:

    Northern Ireland attitudes towards reunification

    Different results from a couple of recent polls including this one from Belfast’s Queen’s University

    16. Our attitude survey reveals that 21% of the entire population would vote in favour
    of a united Ireland in a referendum, and 50% would vote to remain in the UK (others
    are ‘don’t knows’ or would not vote).
    17. Catholic opinion is split: 42% of Catholics would vote for a united Ireland; 21% to
    stay in the UK; and the rest are ‘don’t knows’ or ‘would not vote’. However, Catholic
    support is strongly conditional upon the outcome of the negotiations between the
    UK and the EU-27 and on economic expectations.
    a. Only 28% of Catholics would vote for a united Ireland if the UK changed its mind
    and remained a full member of the EU. However, 53% of Catholics would vote
    for a united Ireland if there was a ‘hard’ exit in which all of the UK left the
    customs union and single market.

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  7. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Additionally I just ordered some Gucci horsebit crocodile skin loafers.

    https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/men/mens-shoes/mens-moccasins-loafers/1953-horsebit-crocodile-loafer-p-307929EC2001000?position=49&listName=PGUS4Cols&categoryPath=Men/Mens-Shoes/Mens-Moccasins-Loafers

    There is now no turning back. I have crossed the Rubicon. My life is forever changed.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.

    There is now no turning back. I have crossed the Rubicon. My life is forever changed.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.

    Here you go brother, enjoy the view from the other side:

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  8. 30,000 Syrians getting citizenship and voting for the Sultan probably doesn’t make up for all the Turks he pisses off by having so many Syrians in Turkey.

    I thought the point of setting up the jihadist zone in North-Western Syria was to get the Syrians out of Turkey and neutralise the Kurds? Then again Erdoğan is an Islamist so he is perhaps not as clear-headed as Turkish nationalists.

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    • Replies: @g2k
    True. Anecdotally, I know several Erdogan supporters who aren't happy about the number of syrians in the country. But why the CHP? Perhaps I'm missing something here, but going from Erdogan to neoliberalism.txt will hardly help the situation.
    , @Mitleser
    Much more than 30k.

    No official figures are available, as the government remains tight-lipped on an issue that is prone to political polemic and popular backlash. The Interior Ministry offers various statistics on the refugees on its website, but no figures on naturalized Syrians. How many Syrians have become eligible to vote in the June 24 elections is also unclear. The only official statement so far has come from former Deputy Prime Minister Veysi Kaynak, who said in February 2017 that 80,000 Syrians would receive citizenship after the constitutional referendum in April that year. Erdogan’s latest remarks suggest that the figure will increase.
     
    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/06/turkey-elections-fate-syrian-refugees-hot-topic.html

    Syrians are not the only ones who get citizenship from the AKP government in order to boost the loyal population.

    The preferred destination for Meskhetians was Turkey. With the help of the Turkish state, 150 families were settled at Igdir near the Russian border in the early 1990s, but plans to settle others in batches of 500 were soon forgotten. Nevertheless, Meskhetians kept coming of their own accord. Now there are 100,000 to 200,000 Meskhetians living in Turkish provinces, including Bursa, Antalya, Izmir, Aydin, Balikesir, Istanbul and Canakkale. Globally, Meskhetians total 450,000 to 500,000, including about 100,000 in Russia, 70,000 in Kazakhstan and 40,000 in Uzbekistan.

    Meskhetians generally have been considered “natural Turks,” but only those who completed the necessary formalities could become citizens after waiting five years. In recent years, Turkey had been giving citizenship only to Syrian refugees; however, at the end of 2017, Turkey began granting citizenship to Meskhetians. This represented a policy shift away from “Turkish elements in the former Ottoman Empire territories should remain where they are to avoid weakening the spheres of influence for Turkey.”
     
    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/06/turkey-citizenship-pleases-meskhetian-turks-upsets-kurds.html
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  9. I always found it sad that neither Koko, nor her human “mother” were able to have children of their own.

    RIP South Korea. Should have submitted to Best Korea when you had the chance.

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    what does that even mean.
    , @The Big Red Scary
    That is sad. I thought that at some point Koko had found a man, so to speak, but apparently it didn’t go anywhere.

    In other news, I’m just back from a conference in a certain vibrant North American city where they celebrate “Pride month”.

    Where do I sign up for NRx?
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  10. g2k says:
    @Hyperborean
    30,000 Syrians getting citizenship and voting for the Sultan probably doesn't make up for all the Turks he pisses off by having so many Syrians in Turkey.

    I thought the point of setting up the jihadist zone in North-Western Syria was to get the Syrians out of Turkey and neutralise the Kurds? Then again Erdoğan is an Islamist so he is perhaps not as clear-headed as Turkish nationalists.

    True. Anecdotally, I know several Erdogan supporters who aren’t happy about the number of syrians in the country. But why the CHP? Perhaps I’m missing something here, but going from Erdogan to neoliberalism.txt will hardly help the situation.

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    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    But why the CHP? Perhaps I’m missing something here, but going from Erdogan to neoliberalism.txt will hardly help the situation.
     
    Aren't the CHP the social Democrats now? I don't think they are very nationalistic any longer.

    I was thinking about the MHP, although they are not a very good opposition force nowadays...

    , @Rosie

    True. Anecdotally, I know several Erdogan supporters who aren’t happy about the number of syrians in the country.
     
    I don't get it. They all look pretty much the same to me, and thy have the same religion. I know they speak different languages but that seems like a minor nuisance at most.
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  11. gate666 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I always found it sad that neither Koko, nor her human "mother" were able to have children of their own.

    RIP South Korea. Should have submitted to Best Korea when you had the chance.

    what does that even mean.

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    what does that even mean.

    It means that Dan thinks females are in harmony with the cosmic karma when they produce offspring.

    In the not too distant future expressing such views will be sufficient to get Dan sent to re-education camp where he will be instructed in rightthink by ugly, fat, tattoed lesbians for 20 hours each day. :)

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  12. @g2k
    True. Anecdotally, I know several Erdogan supporters who aren't happy about the number of syrians in the country. But why the CHP? Perhaps I'm missing something here, but going from Erdogan to neoliberalism.txt will hardly help the situation.

    But why the CHP? Perhaps I’m missing something here, but going from Erdogan to neoliberalism.txt will hardly help the situation.

    Aren’t the CHP the social Democrats now? I don’t think they are very nationalistic any longer.

    I was thinking about the MHP, although they are not a very good opposition force nowadays…

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    • Replies: @Mitleser
    MHP is no longer opposition.
    Nationalist Turkish opposition is the Good party.
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  13. @Thorfinnsson
    Since this is an OPEN THREAD I can discuss one of my hobbies: blades.

    This hobby is not a hit with you all since no one responded to my comment about Victorinix Fibrox knives.

    But perhaps one of you will like this and improve your life as a result.

    In my super secret elite level messageboard which has operated now for 16 years with the same members we have a Secret Santa group. I chose to specialize in giving people high-end knives.

    I recently purchased a Spyderco folding knife with a 3.45" (Euros: 88mm) blade made of ZDP-189 steel with a textured kydex case in British Racing Green. ZDP-189 is a specialty steel produced by the Hitachi corporation of Japan which is a so-called "high speed stainless powder steel". It has a remarkable 3% carbon content and is the best steel available at any price for knives.

    I've been daily carrying this knife now for two weeks, and I am immensely satisfied with it. It is so sharp out of the box that it can cleanly cut neatly through paper with no effort.

    I order knives through the Knife Center, which I've been happily doing business with for the past three years: https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SP90PGRE2

    Highly recommend to all of you. Buy it!

    Your advice posts are always appreciated.

    Bonanza has already materially improved the lives of a few of my friends. And I did manage to find Greek olive oil a few days ago.

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    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    You can so sometimes find good oil at church shops, imported from monasteries in Greece.
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  14. @Thorfinnsson
    Additionally I just ordered some Gucci horsebit crocodile skin loafers.

    https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/men/mens-shoes/mens-moccasins-loafers/1953-horsebit-crocodile-loafer-p-307929EC2001000?position=49&listName=PGUS4Cols&categoryPath=Men/Mens-Shoes/Mens-Moccasins-Loafers

    There is now no turning back. I have crossed the Rubicon. My life is forever changed.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.

    There is a Jewish joke.

    Kohn meets the famously wealthy and avaricious Grün in Budapest, and notices how shabby his clothes are. He asks him: “Why are you wearing these rags? You could easily afford good tailored suits.” “Who cares? No one knows me here anyway.”

    Next week they meet in Kisvárda (Nowhereville in Eastern Hungary, was heavily Jewish before the war), and Grün is wearing the exact same worn-out shabby clothes. “Why are you still wearing these?” “Who cares? Everyone knows me here anyway.”

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    • LOL: Rosie
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  15. @Beckow

    In Poland USA 70% positive - Russia only 24%; in Serbia Russia 90%, USA 24%. In Hungary USA 45%, Russia 38%.
     
    Seems about right. The differences in attitudes are quite dramatic. Czech Republic and Slovakia are roughly reversed, with Czechs about 20% more pro-USA and less pro-Russia than Slovaks. This has held since at least WWII and explains the country split in 1993.

    There are also strong within country variances: capitol cities are more pro-West (US) than provinces. Prague is crazily pro-US, rest of the country is evenly split.

    With these attitudes, only Poland could be relied on to be fully behind any attack on Russia. Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack. I suspect we will get more devilish acts and more propaganda to fix the numbers. And yet, after 20+ years of in-house propaganda domination, if West can only count on the hapless Poles, what was the money spent on? And Poles were already itching to fight Russia, I am not sure all that propaganda has increased it by much.

    I sometimes think it is idiots from Washington, Berlin, Brussels trying to noisily manipulate the local morons, with most people standing aside. How far can they take this madness?

    Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack.

    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR. Hungarians fought because they were afraid that if they didn’t join, the Germans would roll back all the territorial gains they made in the previous few years. They were also hoping to maybe gain some more, but explicitly weren’t interested in any areas of the USSR or Poland or any country or area not belonging to the Hungarian crown in 1900. Slovakia and Croatia were hoping to keep their independence, and either were hoping for territorial expansion or hoping to keep what they had.

    The soldiers weren’t very enthusiastic to fight deep inside of Russia in any of these countries, and they were hoping for the USSR to just collapse or the Germans to fight it out.

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    • Replies: @Mikhail

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR.
     
    Moldova's territory had been part of the Russian Empire, with the area of Pridnestrovie (Transnistira and closely related spellings) pro-Russian and part of the Russian Empire as well, in addition to being with the USSR since its inception.

    Even if pre-WW II era Romania had no claims on Soviet held territory, it still would've probably carried on in the manner of Hungary, Slovakia and (if I'm not mistaken) Croatia, unlike Nazi allied Bulgaria, which made it a point to not declare war on the USSR.

    Of the Nazi allies on the Eastern Front, the Italians had a reputation for especially not wanting to be there - something which contributed to Mussolini's downfall.

    , @bb.
    well as you say, even back than, the soldiers weren't very keen on fighting in Russia. The defection rate among Slovaks was pretty high. During the war it became obvious they couldn't be trusted, so were relegated to do military policing.
    From what I can say, it's not much better these days. Most of the silovikis(police, military) in Slovakia I know are pretty enthusiastically pro-Russian. The Slovak National Party (coalition member) are mostly pro-Russian. The core of the senor diplomatic staff are also pro-Russian but they are old school and I started to notice generational change there(MoFA), with the youngsters being full bent-over EU/NATO cucks.
    , @Niccolo Salo
    Croatian volunteers were very enthusiastic to fight against the Bolsheviks so much so that over 9,000 (not an internet reference/joke) volunteered for the 5,000 slots available. They earned their stripes at Kharkov and were the only foreign forces given the honour of entering Stalingrad itself where they got BTFO, mostly at the Red October Factory in the thick of the battle.
    , @utu

    Why did you leave out Slovakia?
     
    Yes. 50,000 Slovak troops invade Poland with Hitler on 1st Sept, 1939.
    , @Beckow

    Why did you leave out Slovakia?
     
    Ohmmm, not enough space? for the sake of brevity? ...ok, Slovaks belong on the list, you caught me :).

    There are things in our history - in all history - that are hard to understand. Only people of that era could really comprehend it. Looking back at something 75 years later is an artifice. When one looks at original sources, what people thought at that time is that Germany will win. My conclusion on why Romanians, Croats, Italians and others (clever, hm?) joined the German attack on Soviet Union is that they thought they would be on the winning side. That was it. When Germany started to lose, they started to think about bailing out, or even about switching sides. An under-appreciated dynamic in all human conflicts is this natural desire to be with the winners. In retrospect that is often hard to see.

    Of course, there are exceptions, for some strange psychological reasons, Poles crave being losers and often go to extreme lengths to make sure that they are prominently pitied. I really don't know why, maybe the misty plains?
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    In addition to news from Russia

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  17. Mikhail says: • Website
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    Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack.
     
    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR. Hungarians fought because they were afraid that if they didn’t join, the Germans would roll back all the territorial gains they made in the previous few years. They were also hoping to maybe gain some more, but explicitly weren’t interested in any areas of the USSR or Poland or any country or area not belonging to the Hungarian crown in 1900. Slovakia and Croatia were hoping to keep their independence, and either were hoping for territorial expansion or hoping to keep what they had.

    The soldiers weren’t very enthusiastic to fight deep inside of Russia in any of these countries, and they were hoping for the USSR to just collapse or the Germans to fight it out.

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR.

    Moldova’s territory had been part of the Russian Empire, with the area of Pridnestrovie (Transnistira and closely related spellings) pro-Russian and part of the Russian Empire as well, in addition to being with the USSR since its inception.

    Even if pre-WW II era Romania had no claims on Soviet held territory, it still would’ve probably carried on in the manner of Hungary, Slovakia and (if I’m not mistaken) Croatia, unlike Nazi allied Bulgaria, which made it a point to not declare war on the USSR.

    Of the Nazi allies on the Eastern Front, the Italians had a reputation for especially not wanting to be there – something which contributed to Mussolini’s downfall.

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    Moldova’s territory had been part of the Russian Empire
     
    For roughly a century. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think it had belonged to the Golden Horde for longer than that.

    unlike Nazi allied Bulgaria, which made it a point to not declare war on the USSR.
     
    Germany asked Bulgaria to represent its interests in the USSR for the duration of hostilities. So unlike Hungary, Slovakia or Croatia, the Nazis didn’t even expect them to declare war.

    Bulgaria was liberated from Ottoman rule by the Russians. It also has a similar religion and even the language is related. The same is not true of Hungary (in fact, the only times Russian troops were in Hungary in 1849 and 1914, they were enemies), and at least most of these were untrue of Slovakia or Romania or Croatia.
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  18. DNC says:

    Peter Frost made a post on the paper showing declining IQ in Norway that Sailer tackled a few weeks ago:

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2018/06/why-is-iq-declining-in-norway.html

    Tldr:

    At first sight, this collection of registers seems to be a gold mine of information. Unfortunately, the quality of the information has suffered from a social trend that has been stronger in Scandinavia than elsewhere in the West, i.e., the redefinition of the family. As a result, the word “father” no longer has a consistent meaning. In some cases, such as birth records, it usually means the biological father—the man who provided half of the child’s genetic makeup. In other cases, such as the family register, it means the man who provides the family with at least some economic support. Increasingly, the two roles are no longer played by the same person.

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  19. @Mikhail

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR.
     
    Moldova's territory had been part of the Russian Empire, with the area of Pridnestrovie (Transnistira and closely related spellings) pro-Russian and part of the Russian Empire as well, in addition to being with the USSR since its inception.

    Even if pre-WW II era Romania had no claims on Soviet held territory, it still would've probably carried on in the manner of Hungary, Slovakia and (if I'm not mistaken) Croatia, unlike Nazi allied Bulgaria, which made it a point to not declare war on the USSR.

    Of the Nazi allies on the Eastern Front, the Italians had a reputation for especially not wanting to be there - something which contributed to Mussolini's downfall.

    Moldova’s territory had been part of the Russian Empire

    For roughly a century. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think it had belonged to the Golden Horde for longer than that.

    unlike Nazi allied Bulgaria, which made it a point to not declare war on the USSR.

    Germany asked Bulgaria to represent its interests in the USSR for the duration of hostilities. So unlike Hungary, Slovakia or Croatia, the Nazis didn’t even expect them to declare war.

    Bulgaria was liberated from Ottoman rule by the Russians. It also has a similar religion and even the language is related. The same is not true of Hungary (in fact, the only times Russian troops were in Hungary in 1849 and 1914, they were enemies), and at least most of these were untrue of Slovakia or Romania or Croatia.

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    the Nazis didn’t even expect them to declare war.
     
    Not true. We were repeatedly asked to send troops and our Tsar Boris III declined each time, his last decline being the reason he was poisoned by Hitler.

    In the summer of 1942 when Ribbentrop asked him to send troops to the Eastern Front, our Tsar said this:
    "My people fight only on the Balkans where we have our ethnic lands, they can't fight on other fronts. If I send my troops to the Volga, they will all join the Russians, everyone including the orchestra"
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  20. I looked up Romania on wikipedia, where i found an article on the demographics of Romania. There i saw one group called “Lipovans”. The Lipovans are a Russian Old Believer denomination centered mostly around the Danube delta. Lipovans also live in Ukraine, Moldova and Bulgaria.

    The wikipedia says that there are around 35 thousand Lipovans in Romania.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipovans

    On the other hand a Russky Mir artivle says that there are 105 thousand Lipovans in Romania

    https://russkiymir.ru/en/publications/186501/

    This article also mentions that the population estimate of Lipovans in Romania varies between 35-100 thousand.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/7571310/Saving-the-souls-of-Russias-exiled-Lipovans.html

    Later i saw that the numbers of gypsises in many countries varies wildly. Turkey, Slovakia and Ukraine have wildy different lowest and highest estimate of the Roma population. In Ukraine the population estimate of the number of Romas varies from 47 thousand to 400 thousand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

    I wonder if it is common in Eastern and Central European countries to exaggerate population sizes? Exxagerate as in claiming that some groups are either more or less numerical than their real numbers.

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    Gypsies (why can’t iPhone learn this word?) are very difficult to count, because most of them insist to the census takers that they are Hungarian, Slovak, etc. The census takers are forbidden to write down their own impressions, which would be more accurate than what the Gypsies themselves say.
    , @reiner Tor
    It’s similar to some extent with other ethnic minorities. Remember that in that part of the world people were often killed, deported, or persecuted based on ethnicity within living memory.
    , @MK
    Haha, I am old lurker and also an old believer(not from Romania). It was nice to find your post :)
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  21. DFH says:

    I didn’t realise that support for leaving the UK had increased so much since Brexit. I think previously it was hovering around only 30-40% in favour of leaving.

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  22. @Rattus Norwegius
    I looked up Romania on wikipedia, where i found an article on the demographics of Romania. There i saw one group called "Lipovans". The Lipovans are a Russian Old Believer denomination centered mostly around the Danube delta. Lipovans also live in Ukraine, Moldova and Bulgaria.

    The wikipedia says that there are around 35 thousand Lipovans in Romania.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipovans
    On the other hand a Russky Mir artivle says that there are 105 thousand Lipovans in Romania
    https://russkiymir.ru/en/publications/186501/
    This article also mentions that the population estimate of Lipovans in Romania varies between 35-100 thousand.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/7571310/Saving-the-souls-of-Russias-exiled-Lipovans.html

    Later i saw that the numbers of gypsises in many countries varies wildly. Turkey, Slovakia and Ukraine have wildy different lowest and highest estimate of the Roma population. In Ukraine the population estimate of the number of Romas varies from 47 thousand to 400 thousand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

    I wonder if it is common in Eastern and Central European countries to exaggerate population sizes? Exxagerate as in claiming that some groups are either more or less numerical than their real numbers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2orn-fLZ0rE&index=144&list=PLfTrJjNuBvbbnxu92t8WS-_qIKIbbUIb0&t=0s

    Gypsies (why can’t iPhone learn this word?) are very difficult to count, because most of them insist to the census takers that they are Hungarian, Slovak, etc. The census takers are forbidden to write down their own impressions, which would be more accurate than what the Gypsies themselves say.

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  23. @Rattus Norwegius
    I looked up Romania on wikipedia, where i found an article on the demographics of Romania. There i saw one group called "Lipovans". The Lipovans are a Russian Old Believer denomination centered mostly around the Danube delta. Lipovans also live in Ukraine, Moldova and Bulgaria.

    The wikipedia says that there are around 35 thousand Lipovans in Romania.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipovans
    On the other hand a Russky Mir artivle says that there are 105 thousand Lipovans in Romania
    https://russkiymir.ru/en/publications/186501/
    This article also mentions that the population estimate of Lipovans in Romania varies between 35-100 thousand.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/7571310/Saving-the-souls-of-Russias-exiled-Lipovans.html

    Later i saw that the numbers of gypsises in many countries varies wildly. Turkey, Slovakia and Ukraine have wildy different lowest and highest estimate of the Roma population. In Ukraine the population estimate of the number of Romas varies from 47 thousand to 400 thousand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

    I wonder if it is common in Eastern and Central European countries to exaggerate population sizes? Exxagerate as in claiming that some groups are either more or less numerical than their real numbers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2orn-fLZ0rE&index=144&list=PLfTrJjNuBvbbnxu92t8WS-_qIKIbbUIb0&t=0s

    It’s similar to some extent with other ethnic minorities. Remember that in that part of the world people were often killed, deported, or persecuted based on ethnicity within living memory.

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    Minorities that claim to be part of the majority may have assimilated. This means that it may not be usefull to count a person as a ethnic minority if the person identify as part of the "national" population.


    Could not states count the ethnicity of their citizens based on personal identification numbers and previous censuses that have established the ethnicity of the ancestors of present day citizens?

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/minorities-in-turkey-tagged-by-race-codes-official-document-reveals-51849
    - An official document penned by the Istanbul Provincial Education Directorate has surfaced, revealing that Turkey’s population administration system has been recording citizens who have Armenian, Jewish or Anatolian Greek (Rum) origins with secret “race codes.”
    - “Since 1923, identity registration certificates have a secret ‘race code,’” the document added.
    - An official from the population administration told daily Radikal that the practice was being conducted “to allow minority groups use their rights stemming the Lausanne Treaty,” signed between Turkey and Western countries, which led to the establishment of the modern Turkish Republic.
    - As part of the practice, Greeks were coded 1, Armenians were coded 2, and Jews were coded 3. Other minorities or groups are not coded, the official told daily Radikal.
    - “If there is such a thing going on, it is a big disaster. The state illegally profiling its own citizens based on ethnicity and religion, and doing this secretly, is a big catastrophe,” Tan said.

    Is it safe to assume that not many countries have a system of categorization similar to what Hurriyetdailynews describes?

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  24. I will be blocking out 3 weeks of me time for Cyberpunk 2077. Witcher 3 is probably the single best game I have ever played.

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  25. Mitleser says:
    @Hyperborean
    30,000 Syrians getting citizenship and voting for the Sultan probably doesn't make up for all the Turks he pisses off by having so many Syrians in Turkey.

    I thought the point of setting up the jihadist zone in North-Western Syria was to get the Syrians out of Turkey and neutralise the Kurds? Then again Erdoğan is an Islamist so he is perhaps not as clear-headed as Turkish nationalists.

    Much more than 30k.

    No official figures are available, as the government remains tight-lipped on an issue that is prone to political polemic and popular backlash. The Interior Ministry offers various statistics on the refugees on its website, but no figures on naturalized Syrians. How many Syrians have become eligible to vote in the June 24 elections is also unclear. The only official statement so far has come from former Deputy Prime Minister Veysi Kaynak, who said in February 2017 that 80,000 Syrians would receive citizenship after the constitutional referendum in April that year. Erdogan’s latest remarks suggest that the figure will increase.

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/06/turkey-elections-fate-syrian-refugees-hot-topic.html

    Syrians are not the only ones who get citizenship from the AKP government in order to boost the loyal population.

    The preferred destination for Meskhetians was Turkey. With the help of the Turkish state, 150 families were settled at Igdir near the Russian border in the early 1990s, but plans to settle others in batches of 500 were soon forgotten. Nevertheless, Meskhetians kept coming of their own accord. Now there are 100,000 to 200,000 Meskhetians living in Turkish provinces, including Bursa, Antalya, Izmir, Aydin, Balikesir, Istanbul and Canakkale. Globally, Meskhetians total 450,000 to 500,000, including about 100,000 in Russia, 70,000 in Kazakhstan and 40,000 in Uzbekistan.

    Meskhetians generally have been considered “natural Turks,” but only those who completed the necessary formalities could become citizens after waiting five years. In recent years, Turkey had been giving citizenship only to Syrian refugees; however, at the end of 2017, Turkey began granting citizenship to Meskhetians. This represented a policy shift away from “Turkish elements in the former Ottoman Empire territories should remain where they are to avoid weakening the spheres of influence for Turkey.”

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/06/turkey-citizenship-pleases-meskhetian-turks-upsets-kurds.html

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  26. Mitleser says:
    @Hyperborean

    But why the CHP? Perhaps I’m missing something here, but going from Erdogan to neoliberalism.txt will hardly help the situation.
     
    Aren't the CHP the social Democrats now? I don't think they are very nationalistic any longer.

    I was thinking about the MHP, although they are not a very good opposition force nowadays...

    MHP is no longer opposition.
    Nationalist Turkish opposition is the Good party.

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    I didn't know about the split before.

    I suppose the nationalists could do a lot worse than Meral Akşener.
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  27. user_s says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Since this is an OPEN THREAD I can discuss one of my hobbies: blades.

    This hobby is not a hit with you all since no one responded to my comment about Victorinix Fibrox knives.

    But perhaps one of you will like this and improve your life as a result.

    In my super secret elite level messageboard which has operated now for 16 years with the same members we have a Secret Santa group. I chose to specialize in giving people high-end knives.

    I recently purchased a Spyderco folding knife with a 3.45" (Euros: 88mm) blade made of ZDP-189 steel with a textured kydex case in British Racing Green. ZDP-189 is a specialty steel produced by the Hitachi corporation of Japan which is a so-called "high speed stainless powder steel". It has a remarkable 3% carbon content and is the best steel available at any price for knives.

    I've been daily carrying this knife now for two weeks, and I am immensely satisfied with it. It is so sharp out of the box that it can cleanly cut neatly through paper with no effort.

    I order knives through the Knife Center, which I've been happily doing business with for the past three years: https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SP90PGRE2

    Highly recommend to all of you. Buy it!

    I have been looking for a carry knife for a while but have been a little overwhelmed by the options. That and not really even knowing what I am looking for. Will probably buy one.

    BTW, have you ever heard of Jay Butler? Pretty descent loafers given the price.

    https://jaybutler.com/

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  28. @reiner Tor

    Moldova’s territory had been part of the Russian Empire
     
    For roughly a century. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think it had belonged to the Golden Horde for longer than that.

    unlike Nazi allied Bulgaria, which made it a point to not declare war on the USSR.
     
    Germany asked Bulgaria to represent its interests in the USSR for the duration of hostilities. So unlike Hungary, Slovakia or Croatia, the Nazis didn’t even expect them to declare war.

    Bulgaria was liberated from Ottoman rule by the Russians. It also has a similar religion and even the language is related. The same is not true of Hungary (in fact, the only times Russian troops were in Hungary in 1849 and 1914, they were enemies), and at least most of these were untrue of Slovakia or Romania or Croatia.

    the Nazis didn’t even expect them to declare war.

    Not true. We were repeatedly asked to send troops and our Tsar Boris III declined each time, his last decline being the reason he was poisoned by Hitler.

    In the summer of 1942 when Ribbentrop asked him to send troops to the Eastern Front, our Tsar said this:
    “My people fight only on the Balkans where we have our ethnic lands, they can’t fight on other fronts. If I send my troops to the Volga, they will all join the Russians, everyone including the orchestra”

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  29. iffen says:
    @gate666
    what does that even mean.

    what does that even mean.

    It means that Dan thinks females are in harmony with the cosmic karma when they produce offspring.

    In the not too distant future expressing such views will be sufficient to get Dan sent to re-education camp where he will be instructed in rightthink by ugly, fat, tattoed lesbians for 20 hours each day. :)

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  30. Mitleser says:

    What is your stance on the removal of the licence/accreditation of the British-linked Moscow School of Social and Economic Sciences?

    Kudrin complains.

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  31. Mitleser says:

    How is that supposed to work?

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    Theoretically: Probably fines, losing voting rights, less money from the EU budget.

    Practically: It won't, which is why everyone will forget he said that a few weeks later just like all his other EU reform proposals.
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  32. @Mitleser
    How is that supposed to work?

    https://twitter.com/PolandDaily/status/1010626247037251586

    Theoretically: Probably fines, losing voting rights, less money from the EU budget.

    Practically: It won’t, which is why everyone will forget he said that a few weeks later just like all his other EU reform proposals.

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    Merkel seems to be willing to support some of his EU proposals because she wants his support in the asylum issue. I suppose that's the reason for Macron's hard line, he thinks he can get German cooperation for his vision of the EU by helping Merkel to save her chancellorship. Quite hypocritical of course since France hasn't taken that many "refugees" itself (despite being very involved in the dubious Mideast mess, supporting attempts at overthrowing Assad's regime and now apparently also having special forces in Yemen).
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  33. @reiner Tor
    It’s similar to some extent with other ethnic minorities. Remember that in that part of the world people were often killed, deported, or persecuted based on ethnicity within living memory.

    Minorities that claim to be part of the majority may have assimilated. This means that it may not be usefull to count a person as a ethnic minority if the person identify as part of the “national” population.

    Could not states count the ethnicity of their citizens based on personal identification numbers and previous censuses that have established the ethnicity of the ancestors of present day citizens?

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/minorities-in-turkey-tagged-by-race-codes-official-document-reveals-51849

    - An official document penned by the Istanbul Provincial Education Directorate has surfaced, revealing that Turkey’s population administration system has been recording citizens who have Armenian, Jewish or Anatolian Greek (Rum) origins with secret “race codes.”
    - “Since 1923, identity registration certificates have a secret ‘race code,’” the document added.
    - An official from the population administration told daily Radikal that the practice was being conducted “to allow minority groups use their rights stemming the Lausanne Treaty,” signed between Turkey and Western countries, which led to the establishment of the modern Turkish Republic.
    - As part of the practice, Greeks were coded 1, Armenians were coded 2, and Jews were coded 3. Other minorities or groups are not coded, the official told daily Radikal.
    - “If there is such a thing going on, it is a big disaster. The state illegally profiling its own citizens based on ethnicity and religion, and doing this secretly, is a big catastrophe,” Tan said.

    Is it safe to assume that not many countries have a system of categorization similar to what Hurriyetdailynews describes?

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  34. @Hyperborean
    Theoretically: Probably fines, losing voting rights, less money from the EU budget.

    Practically: It won't, which is why everyone will forget he said that a few weeks later just like all his other EU reform proposals.

    Merkel seems to be willing to support some of his EU proposals because she wants his support in the asylum issue. I suppose that’s the reason for Macron’s hard line, he thinks he can get German cooperation for his vision of the EU by helping Merkel to save her chancellorship. Quite hypocritical of course since France hasn’t taken that many “refugees” itself (despite being very involved in the dubious Mideast mess, supporting attempts at overthrowing Assad’s regime and now apparently also having special forces in Yemen).

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    I don't doubt that Merkel is willing but I doubt Merkel is able to give that support in any significant way, she is probably too weak now to do anything significant. It's been months (?) now and all they have are proposals, if they were more serious I think there would have been more concrete moves by now.
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  35. bb. says:
    @reiner Tor

    Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack.
     
    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR. Hungarians fought because they were afraid that if they didn’t join, the Germans would roll back all the territorial gains they made in the previous few years. They were also hoping to maybe gain some more, but explicitly weren’t interested in any areas of the USSR or Poland or any country or area not belonging to the Hungarian crown in 1900. Slovakia and Croatia were hoping to keep their independence, and either were hoping for territorial expansion or hoping to keep what they had.

    The soldiers weren’t very enthusiastic to fight deep inside of Russia in any of these countries, and they were hoping for the USSR to just collapse or the Germans to fight it out.

    well as you say, even back than, the soldiers weren’t very keen on fighting in Russia. The defection rate among Slovaks was pretty high. During the war it became obvious they couldn’t be trusted, so were relegated to do military policing.
    From what I can say, it’s not much better these days. Most of the silovikis(police, military) in Slovakia I know are pretty enthusiastically pro-Russian. The Slovak National Party (coalition member) are mostly pro-Russian. The core of the senor diplomatic staff are also pro-Russian but they are old school and I started to notice generational change there(MoFA), with the youngsters being full bent-over EU/NATO cucks.

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  36. Anonymous[842] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Additionally I just ordered some Gucci horsebit crocodile skin loafers.

    https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/men/mens-shoes/mens-moccasins-loafers/1953-horsebit-crocodile-loafer-p-307929EC2001000?position=49&listName=PGUS4Cols&categoryPath=Men/Mens-Shoes/Mens-Moccasins-Loafers

    There is now no turning back. I have crossed the Rubicon. My life is forever changed.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.

    Liaisons with Indian bodybuilders?

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  37. @German_reader
    Merkel seems to be willing to support some of his EU proposals because she wants his support in the asylum issue. I suppose that's the reason for Macron's hard line, he thinks he can get German cooperation for his vision of the EU by helping Merkel to save her chancellorship. Quite hypocritical of course since France hasn't taken that many "refugees" itself (despite being very involved in the dubious Mideast mess, supporting attempts at overthrowing Assad's regime and now apparently also having special forces in Yemen).

    I don’t doubt that Merkel is willing but I doubt Merkel is able to give that support in any significant way, she is probably too weak now to do anything significant. It’s been months (?) now and all they have are proposals, if they were more serious I think there would have been more concrete moves by now.

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  38. Mitleser says:

    I don’t doubt that Merkel is willing but I doubt Merkel is able to give that support in any significant way

    She needs a “European solution”.
    And for that she is willing to pay.

    It was the same during the recent coalition negotiations with the SPD.

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    Interesting, given that Macron is generally seen as pro-Southern on economic matters, won't the German establishment be displeased?

    To be honest, I am surprised that Merkel hasn't been finished already given this particularly weak-willed personalistic leadership style she has exhibited recently.

    I think in other countries she would have been off the scene already. Perhaps there are still too many loons who agree with her?
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  39. DFH says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Additionally I just ordered some Gucci horsebit crocodile skin loafers.

    https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/men/mens-shoes/mens-moccasins-loafers/1953-horsebit-crocodile-loafer-p-307929EC2001000?position=49&listName=PGUS4Cols&categoryPath=Men/Mens-Shoes/Mens-Moccasins-Loafers

    There is now no turning back. I have crossed the Rubicon. My life is forever changed.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.

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  40. @Mitleser

    I don’t doubt that Merkel is willing but I doubt Merkel is able to give that support in any significant way
     
    She needs a "European solution".
    And for that she is willing to pay.

    https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1009333953134825472

    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1009189077214785536

    It was the same during the recent coalition negotiations with the SPD.

    Interesting, given that Macron is generally seen as pro-Southern on economic matters, won’t the German establishment be displeased?

    To be honest, I am surprised that Merkel hasn’t been finished already given this particularly weak-willed personalistic leadership style she has exhibited recently.

    I think in other countries she would have been off the scene already. Perhaps there are still too many loons who agree with her?

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    I think in other countries she would have been off the scene already. Perhaps there are still too many loons who agree with her?
     
    No doubt about that, in any other country she probably would have been removed already in 2016.
    But yes, there are too many loons who agree with her, if anything the German left is even more extreme in its mania for open borders and European integration.
    And the CDU is just pathetic, a party of incompetent lickspittles who have created a really bizarre personality cult about Merkel. Also very authoritarian and in many ways now quite close to the Greens.
    Remains to be seen what will come out of the current CDU-CSU confrontation. I don't trust the CSU, but this time it actually seems to be serious.
    , @Mitleser

    Interesting, given that Macron is generally seen as pro-Southern on economic matters, won’t the German establishment be displeased?
     
    Macron is not pro-Southern. He wants to turn (economic) France into Germany 2.0.
    The German establishment is split, some in CDU/CSU and FDP would be displeased, others in SPD and Greens like Maas, minister for foreign affairs support Macron.

    https://twitter.com/adam_tooze/status/1007359269698584576

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  41. @Hyperborean
    Interesting, given that Macron is generally seen as pro-Southern on economic matters, won't the German establishment be displeased?

    To be honest, I am surprised that Merkel hasn't been finished already given this particularly weak-willed personalistic leadership style she has exhibited recently.

    I think in other countries she would have been off the scene already. Perhaps there are still too many loons who agree with her?

    I think in other countries she would have been off the scene already. Perhaps there are still too many loons who agree with her?

    No doubt about that, in any other country she probably would have been removed already in 2016.
    But yes, there are too many loons who agree with her, if anything the German left is even more extreme in its mania for open borders and European integration.
    And the CDU is just pathetic, a party of incompetent lickspittles who have created a really bizarre personality cult about Merkel. Also very authoritarian and in many ways now quite close to the Greens.
    Remains to be seen what will come out of the current CDU-CSU confrontation. I don’t trust the CSU, but this time it actually seems to be serious.

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    Diana Johnstone recently wrote about in-fighting in Die Linke about immigration. What do you make of that?
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  42. Mitleser says:
    @Hyperborean
    Interesting, given that Macron is generally seen as pro-Southern on economic matters, won't the German establishment be displeased?

    To be honest, I am surprised that Merkel hasn't been finished already given this particularly weak-willed personalistic leadership style she has exhibited recently.

    I think in other countries she would have been off the scene already. Perhaps there are still too many loons who agree with her?

    Interesting, given that Macron is generally seen as pro-Southern on economic matters, won’t the German establishment be displeased?

    Macron is not pro-Southern. He wants to turn (economic) France into Germany 2.0.
    The German establishment is split, some in CDU/CSU and FDP would be displeased, others in SPD and Greens like Maas, minister for foreign affairs support Macron.

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  43. @Thorfinnsson
    https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/map-poll-usa-human-lives-worth.jpg

    This is ultimately what we are fighting against. Not for our nations per se, but against LIES.

    So which side do you take in that debate? Are you green with misanthropy, like Nevada, or red with altruism, like Minnesota?

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    He's busy planning several different methods to inflict injury (with his brand new knife?) upon the poor Indians that he'll be insulting during his upcoming trip to India. :-)
    , @Thorfinnsson
    There's no debate to be had. The idea that all humans are of equal worth is disproven by observable reality. People are not equal, and we need a political system which recognizes that.
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  44. Mr. Hack says:
    @Cagey Beast
    So which side do you take in that debate? Are you green with misanthropy, like Nevada, or red with altruism, like Minnesota?

    He’s busy planning several different methods to inflict injury (with his brand new knife?) upon the poor Indians that he’ll be insulting during his upcoming trip to India. :-)

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  45. Erdogan is at 59% with 19% of the ballots counted.

    Is it the conservative/rural areas that tend to get counted first? Because if not, there was very likely large-scale fraud.

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    Although it doesn't necessarily exclude fraud, it seems like a regular pattern of Turkish elections:

    https://twitter.com/DiegoCupolo/status/1010911119668637696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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  46. @Mitleser
    MHP is no longer opposition.
    Nationalist Turkish opposition is the Good party.

    I didn’t know about the split before.

    I suppose the nationalists could do a lot worse than Meral Akşener.

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  47. @Anatoly Karlin
    Erdogan is at 59% with 19% of the ballots counted.

    Is it the conservative/rural areas that tend to get counted first? Because if not, there was very likely large-scale fraud.

    Although it doesn’t necessarily exclude fraud, it seems like a regular pattern of Turkish elections:

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  48. Anon 2 says:

    Apparently some Russians are using Google Street View to see how people
    in neighboring countries live. Not surprisingly, their curiosity is focused on
    Poland.

    For example, “Comparison Polish and Russian Villages,” posted on YouTube
    by Hot Russia (in Russian), essentially asks the question “why don’t Russian
    villages look as affluent and well kept up as Polish villages?” They specifically
    focus on two villages, one near Smolensk and one near Bielsko Biala in southern
    Poland. Now it’s been widely reported in the U.S. press that the villages in northwestern
    Russia are losing population, most of the people left are old, and more are dying
    than being born. So perhaps that’s part of the reason.

    I myself was surprised by the number of high-rise apartment towers being built in
    the outlying regions of Moscow. For example, visit Yuzhnoye Butovo (27 km southeast
    of central Moscow, 45 min by subway) – by the way, the site of the Great Purge of
    1937-8. You’ll be amazed at the amount of construction going on even today, I’m not
    quite sure why. Is it due to the khrushchevkas being demolished or because Moscow
    continues to attract residents from the countryside or both?

    Or might it be that the autocracy in Russia means very specifically that
    the Moscow city-state sucks resources out of the rest of Russia so that villages and
    the Siberian cities (famously in a state of disrepair) are starved for investment money?
    Some of my ancestors, although Polish, lived in Kiev and probably Moscow as well,
    and certainly worked throughout Russia, so I find these questions interesting.

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    Now it’s been widely reported in the U.S. press that the villages in northwestern
    Russia are losing population, most of the people left are old, and more are dying
    than being born.
     
    What a touching concern from the USA. About urbanization in the United States apparently do not know.
    , @Dmitry

    Apparently some Russians are using Google Street View to see how people
    in neighboring countries live. Not surprisingly, their curiosity is focused on
    Poland.
     
    It's one complaining guy (called 'world citizen') who made a channel comparing every city in the world as a way to criticize Russian cities.

    He made hundreds of videos, going through every country in the world, he always says it's better than Russia. He focuses only on bad areas of Russian cities, and compares them with only good areas of foreign cities. It's not a reasonable comparison, but propaganda.

    No-one in Russia is envious or dreaming about immigrating to Poland. Just this one guy whose hobby is saying everywhere in the world is better than Russia, from Google Streetview.

    This guy even says that Ukrainian cities are better than Russian cities.

    Outside this guy's opinion, countries which people are really envious are ones which are actually have higher standards of living - Finland, Norway, Australia, Switzerland, etc.

    , @anonymous coward

    Is it due to the khrushchevkas being demolished
     
    No.

    or because Moscow continues to attract residents
     
    Yes. Also there's a third and most important reason: people want to expand their existing real estate. Soviet norms are way too low for modern Russians.

    Or might it be that the autocracy in Russia means very specifically that the Moscow city-state sucks resources out of the rest of Russia
     
    Yes.

    so that villages and the Siberian cities (famously in a state of disrepair) are starved for investment money?
     
    No. Siberian cities are affluent and well-kept. They're famous for their rough populace (due to history of industry and prisons), not urban decay.

    The decaying cities are along the Volga. Not sure why, because Moscow doesn't suck much resources out of them. The cities hardest hit by Moscow's pull are the ones immediately next to it -- Tula, Tver, etc.

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  49. Mitleser says:

    Or might it be that the autocracy in Russia means very specifically that
    the Moscow city-state sucks resources out of the rest of Russia so that villages and
    the Siberian cities (famously in a state of disrepair) are starved for investment money?

    Moscow the city gives away 45% of its tax revenue to the center, which is only 20th percentage wise out of ~85 regions, but would certainly translate into the highest net contribution by far given (1) its economic preponderance and (2) the fact that in percentage terms, it also gets the fewest transfers from the federal center, which constitute only 3% of its own spending.

    http://www.profile.ru/economics/item/102059-semero-s-soshkoj-semdesyat-s-lozhkoj

    (In contrast, for instance, 80% of the Chechen/Ingush local budget consists of transfers from outside).

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/navalnys-program/#comment-1824742

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    But most of the Russian oil and gas comes from western Siberia.
    Isn't it logical that the oil and gas largesse should benefit Siberia
    first, and not Moscow? Travelers around Russia widely report that,
    other than the Moscow region and possibly SPB, much of Russia
    looks like it's starved for investment money, with possibly too
    much going into the military and the space program at the expense
    of the lives of ordinary Russians.
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  50. melanf says:
    @Anon 2
    Apparently some Russians are using Google Street View to see how people
    in neighboring countries live. Not surprisingly, their curiosity is focused on
    Poland.

    For example, "Comparison Polish and Russian Villages," posted on YouTube
    by Hot Russia (in Russian), essentially asks the question "why don't Russian
    villages look as affluent and well kept up as Polish villages?" They specifically
    focus on two villages, one near Smolensk and one near Bielsko Biala in southern
    Poland. Now it's been widely reported in the U.S. press that the villages in northwestern
    Russia are losing population, most of the people left are old, and more are dying
    than being born. So perhaps that's part of the reason.

    I myself was surprised by the number of high-rise apartment towers being built in
    the outlying regions of Moscow. For example, visit Yuzhnoye Butovo (27 km southeast
    of central Moscow, 45 min by subway) - by the way, the site of the Great Purge of
    1937-8. You'll be amazed at the amount of construction going on even today, I'm not
    quite sure why. Is it due to the khrushchevkas being demolished or because Moscow
    continues to attract residents from the countryside or both?

    Or might it be that the autocracy in Russia means very specifically that
    the Moscow city-state sucks resources out of the rest of Russia so that villages and
    the Siberian cities (famously in a state of disrepair) are starved for investment money?
    Some of my ancestors, although Polish, lived in Kiev and probably Moscow as well,
    and certainly worked throughout Russia, so I find these questions interesting.

    Now it’s been widely reported in the U.S. press that the villages in northwestern
    Russia are losing population, most of the people left are old, and more are dying
    than being born.

    What a touching concern from the USA. About urbanization in the United States apparently do not know.

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  51. @Cagey Beast
    So which side do you take in that debate? Are you green with misanthropy, like Nevada, or red with altruism, like Minnesota?

    There’s no debate to be had. The idea that all humans are of equal worth is disproven by observable reality. People are not equal, and we need a political system which recognizes that.

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    People are not equal, and we need a political system which recognizes that.

    The political system that we have presents the façade that we are equal, but operates in a manner that allows those who are more equal to run everything for their benefit.
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  52. Anon 2 says:
    @Beckow

    In Poland USA 70% positive - Russia only 24%; in Serbia Russia 90%, USA 24%. In Hungary USA 45%, Russia 38%.
     
    Seems about right. The differences in attitudes are quite dramatic. Czech Republic and Slovakia are roughly reversed, with Czechs about 20% more pro-USA and less pro-Russia than Slovaks. This has held since at least WWII and explains the country split in 1993.

    There are also strong within country variances: capitol cities are more pro-West (US) than provinces. Prague is crazily pro-US, rest of the country is evenly split.

    With these attitudes, only Poland could be relied on to be fully behind any attack on Russia. Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack. I suspect we will get more devilish acts and more propaganda to fix the numbers. And yet, after 20+ years of in-house propaganda domination, if West can only count on the hapless Poles, what was the money spent on? And Poles were already itching to fight Russia, I am not sure all that propaganda has increased it by much.

    I sometimes think it is idiots from Washington, Berlin, Brussels trying to noisily manipulate the local morons, with most people standing aside. How far can they take this madness?

    Poland doesn’t have the slightest interest in attacking Russia. Is that what
    Slovaks like you wish for? I’ve known a number of Slovaks, and for the most
    part they are sober, rational people.

    Poland, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine, in other words, all of Russia’s
    neighbors, deeply distrust, not so much ordinary Russians but the Russian
    government. Slovakia, Hungary or Germany, not being Russia’s neighbors,
    have fewer reasons to distrust Russia. This is perfectly rational, based as it is
    on the last 300 years of Russian history – specifically on the fact that Russia
    has never been a democracy, and being autocratic means it’s not really
    responsive to the will of the people (of course, Germany, France, and Britain are
    no longer reponsive to the will of the people when it comes to immigration
    but that’s another story). I personally trust Russia a little bit more now that
    it’s finally ruled by Russians, and not by foreigners like in the previous 200
    years, but it’s still subject to the whims of its autocratic rulers like Putin.

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    Your post contains too many talking points of the official Western propaganda (e.g. Guardian). Next time try to be more original and a bit more subtle.
    , @Beckow
    To declare that 'Russia has never been a democracy' is simply stupid. How do you expect to be taken seriously with declarative slogans like that? If Russia today isn't a democracy, then most democracies today and in recent past are also not democracies. Or maybe all of them are democracies and that's the way real democracies look.

    When you make up things and then talk about 'justified fear', one can only wonder about your mental condition. Look up the diagnosis for people who create fictional narratives in their mind, and then fear the world around them based on those fictional narratives. There is a term for that condition and there are also medications to control it. Or you can do it yourself by simply deciding to be normal.

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  53. @Anatoly Karlin
    Your advice posts are always appreciated.

    Bonanza has already materially improved the lives of a few of my friends. And I did manage to find Greek olive oil a few days ago.

    You can so sometimes find good oil at church shops, imported from monasteries in Greece.

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  54. @German_reader

    I think in other countries she would have been off the scene already. Perhaps there are still too many loons who agree with her?
     
    No doubt about that, in any other country she probably would have been removed already in 2016.
    But yes, there are too many loons who agree with her, if anything the German left is even more extreme in its mania for open borders and European integration.
    And the CDU is just pathetic, a party of incompetent lickspittles who have created a really bizarre personality cult about Merkel. Also very authoritarian and in many ways now quite close to the Greens.
    Remains to be seen what will come out of the current CDU-CSU confrontation. I don't trust the CSU, but this time it actually seems to be serious.

    Diana Johnstone recently wrote about in-fighting in Die Linke about immigration. What do you make of that?

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    I wrote a comment under that article. It's fantasy imo to believe that there'll be any moves to more restrictive immigration policies by the German left, they're too fanatically committed to their open borderism and "antifascism". Wagenknecht's criticism of open borders policies is pretty tame, but even for that she's been heavily criticized by many of her party colleagues as a crypto-nationalist. If she does indeed try to start a movement of her own, I don't think it will gain much traction.
    The LINKE is chock-full of people with really extreme views, at their recent party congress they seriously came out in favour of such lunatic ideas as a "right to global freedom of movement". They're also involved with all manner of "antiracist" and "antifascist" initiatives, some of whom have now started to adopt US-style race discourse about "people of color" and "white privilege". These people regard open borders as a part of an anticapitalist struggle (because "we", rich white Northerners, are exploiting the global South), and want all resources of the state mobilized against "fascists". Obviously that's a programme that appeals to a certain kind of urban far left segment, but it's probably going to cost the LINKE very dearly in state elections in the former East Germany, where in some places like Cottbus there has been serious violence between "refugees" and Germans (violence that seems to have been initiated mostly by "refugees", which even msm media can't cover up completely anymore).
    I know a lot of people on the right hope that somewhere there are "decent commies" who will come to their senses and drop their support for open borderism; but imo that's an illusion. The left in Germany and Europe is irredeemable and needs to be marginalized and stripped of all its influence.
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  55. @Anon 2
    Poland doesn't have the slightest interest in attacking Russia. Is that what
    Slovaks like you wish for? I've known a number of Slovaks, and for the most
    part they are sober, rational people.

    Poland, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine, in other words, all of Russia's
    neighbors, deeply distrust, not so much ordinary Russians but the Russian
    government. Slovakia, Hungary or Germany, not being Russia's neighbors,
    have fewer reasons to distrust Russia. This is perfectly rational, based as it is
    on the last 300 years of Russian history - specifically on the fact that Russia
    has never been a democracy, and being autocratic means it's not really
    responsive to the will of the people (of course, Germany, France, and Britain are
    no longer reponsive to the will of the people when it comes to immigration
    but that's another story). I personally trust Russia a little bit more now that
    it's finally ruled by Russians, and not by foreigners like in the previous 200
    years, but it's still subject to the whims of its autocratic rulers like Putin.

    Your post contains too many talking points of the official Western propaganda (e.g. Guardian). Next time try to be more original and a bit more subtle.

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  56. I noticed some noise in the Hungarian online press about alleged doping among Russian footballers.

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    I noticed some noise in the Hungarian online press about alleged doping among Russian footballers.

    Russia’s team doctor has bristled at questions about doping checks at the World Cup, claiming the host side have been tested twice as often as England. The statement came in the wake of a report in The Daily Telegraph that found Russian players had covered more ground than any others during the tournament . . .

    Telegraph Sport found that Russia’s players have run further during their first two matches than any other team, 73 miles in their first game and 71 miles in their second . . .

    “Extraordinary performances demand additional tests,” Travis Tygart, the chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, told The Daily Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/06/22/russia-says-team-tested-two-times-england-amid-doping-questions/
     
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  57. @Daniel Chieh
    I always found it sad that neither Koko, nor her human "mother" were able to have children of their own.

    RIP South Korea. Should have submitted to Best Korea when you had the chance.

    That is sad. I thought that at some point Koko had found a man, so to speak, but apparently it didn’t go anywhere.

    In other news, I’m just back from a conference in a certain vibrant North American city where they celebrate “Pride month”.

    Where do I sign up for NRx?

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    LOL! I was a bit saddened actually when recently I did a quick review of the landscape. It seems like all of the former territories of Byzantium are hosting PRIDE parades; Malta and Cyprus (at least the Greek part) included. What a shame. Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.

    Beirut came close this year, but it seems the authorities shut it down after detaining the lead organizer. It seems it would have run afoul of a lot of municipal codes on decency and such - at least that’s what the authorities pressed as the issue. Close call.

    Peace.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Where do I sign up for NRx?
     
    We'll find you if you read old books, live well, and get into a position of influence. The Eye of Soros cannot destroy what it cannot find.
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  58. Anon 2 says:
    @Mitleser

    Or might it be that the autocracy in Russia means very specifically that
    the Moscow city-state sucks resources out of the rest of Russia so that villages and
    the Siberian cities (famously in a state of disrepair) are starved for investment money?
     

    Moscow the city gives away 45% of its tax revenue to the center, which is only 20th percentage wise out of ~85 regions, but would certainly translate into the highest net contribution by far given (1) its economic preponderance and (2) the fact that in percentage terms, it also gets the fewest transfers from the federal center, which constitute only 3% of its own spending.

    http://www.profile.ru/economics/item/102059-semero-s-soshkoj-semdesyat-s-lozhkoj

    (In contrast, for instance, 80% of the Chechen/Ingush local budget consists of transfers from outside).
     
    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/navalnys-program/#comment-1824742

    But most of the Russian oil and gas comes from western Siberia.
    Isn’t it logical that the oil and gas largesse should benefit Siberia
    first, and not Moscow? Travelers around Russia widely report that,
    other than the Moscow region and possibly SPB, much of Russia
    looks like it’s starved for investment money, with possibly too
    much going into the military and the space program at the expense
    of the lives of ordinary Russians.

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    Oil/Gas-rich northern West Siberia is very wealthy despite all the money they sent to the federal government.

    Capital of the KMAO
    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4606/30348152.21e/0_91aba_57945d36_orig
    https://gelio.livejournal.com/tag/Ханты-Мансийск

    possibly too much going into the military and the space program at the expense
    of the lives of ordinary Russians.
     
    Who do you think benefits from a well-funded military in Russia?

    When asked about their motives for joining the army, most of the professional soldiers say they want to improve their financial situation and eventually buy their own home.

    After a series of increases in soldiers’ pay, professional service in the Russian forces has become an attractive career option, especially in the poorer Russian provinces and in the rural areas. In 2014, a private in the Russian army received 17,400 roubles a month during their first term of service. That was well below the average Russian wage of 32,500 roubles at the time – but soldiers’ pay rises rapidly in line with their length of service, especially if they are promoted to higher ranks. For example, the basic pay received by a junior sergeant who has served for three years is roughly in line with the average Russian wage. There are also various bonuses on top of the basic salary. Basic pay itself can also be much higher than the minimum level across the MoD, depending on conditions and the location of service. For example, professional soldiers serving in Chechnya earn a minimum of 40,000 roubles before bonuses.
     
    http://www.mdb.cast.ru/mdb/4-2015/item3/article2/

    Where do they you think is new space infrastructure in Russia?
    https://www.seradata.com/SSI/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OmskAngarails.jpg
    , @melanf

    most of the Russian oil and gas comes from western Siberia.
    Isn’t it logical that the oil and gas largesse should benefit Siberia
    first, and not Moscow?
     
    Geographical map of income level in Russia.
    http://f6.s.qip.ru/TEGM1Ri0.jpg

    oil and gas benefit western Siberia first
    ( North-West of Siberia-the region with the highest standard of living in Russia)
    , @anonymous coward

    Travelers around Russia widely report that, other than the Moscow region and possibly SPB, much of Russia looks like it’s starved for investment money
     
    Money isn't a problem. Whatever the problem is, it is cultural. This is obvious when visiting Russian cities of comparable size, geography and income level but vastly different urban conditions.
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  59. @The Big Red Scary
    Diana Johnstone recently wrote about in-fighting in Die Linke about immigration. What do you make of that?

    I wrote a comment under that article. It’s fantasy imo to believe that there’ll be any moves to more restrictive immigration policies by the German left, they’re too fanatically committed to their open borderism and “antifascism”. Wagenknecht’s criticism of open borders policies is pretty tame, but even for that she’s been heavily criticized by many of her party colleagues as a crypto-nationalist. If she does indeed try to start a movement of her own, I don’t think it will gain much traction.
    The LINKE is chock-full of people with really extreme views, at their recent party congress they seriously came out in favour of such lunatic ideas as a “right to global freedom of movement”. They’re also involved with all manner of “antiracist” and “antifascist” initiatives, some of whom have now started to adopt US-style race discourse about “people of color” and “white privilege”. These people regard open borders as a part of an anticapitalist struggle (because “we”, rich white Northerners, are exploiting the global South), and want all resources of the state mobilized against “fascists”. Obviously that’s a programme that appeals to a certain kind of urban far left segment, but it’s probably going to cost the LINKE very dearly in state elections in the former East Germany, where in some places like Cottbus there has been serious violence between “refugees” and Germans (violence that seems to have been initiated mostly by “refugees”, which even msm media can’t cover up completely anymore).
    I know a lot of people on the right hope that somewhere there are “decent commies” who will come to their senses and drop their support for open borderism; but imo that’s an illusion. The left in Germany and Europe is irredeemable and needs to be marginalized and stripped of all its influence.

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    Hello. This is the first tine I am responding to one of your comments and therefore I am taking a minute to say hello. So hello :)

    I like your comments and especially about Germany where I regularly go for my work. I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people is now at the forefront of submission and wilful self-destruction. Although your comments help me better understand the symptoms, I still cannot pinpoint the root cause(s).

    By the way this is not limited to the class of Germany. The French and English also come to mind. But the Germans seem to be the « tip of the spear » of sorts in this regard nowadays.
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  60. @Thorfinnsson
    Since this is an OPEN THREAD I can discuss one of my hobbies: blades.

    This hobby is not a hit with you all since no one responded to my comment about Victorinix Fibrox knives.

    But perhaps one of you will like this and improve your life as a result.

    In my super secret elite level messageboard which has operated now for 16 years with the same members we have a Secret Santa group. I chose to specialize in giving people high-end knives.

    I recently purchased a Spyderco folding knife with a 3.45" (Euros: 88mm) blade made of ZDP-189 steel with a textured kydex case in British Racing Green. ZDP-189 is a specialty steel produced by the Hitachi corporation of Japan which is a so-called "high speed stainless powder steel". It has a remarkable 3% carbon content and is the best steel available at any price for knives.

    I've been daily carrying this knife now for two weeks, and I am immensely satisfied with it. It is so sharp out of the box that it can cleanly cut neatly through paper with no effort.

    I order knives through the Knife Center, which I've been happily doing business with for the past three years: https://www.knifecenter.com/item/SP90PGRE2

    Highly recommend to all of you. Buy it!

    Interesting.

    Now I have a question: it is my understanding that in most US states (with the exception of the hopelessly liberal ones like CA) one can relatively easily obtain a CCW permit. However it is also my understanding that this works only for firearms — not knives. Is that correct?

    Another way to ask the question is the following: does the 2nd Amendment apply to blades? For instance one could legally carry a long rifle with its ammunition but not the assorted bayonet. This seems a bit crazy.

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    There's no hysteria about knives here unlike the UK. I've never even heard of it being prohibited to carry a knife, though I'm sure you can find such a jurisdiction.

    Larger cities sometimes regulate the maximum permissible length of a blade.

    Switch-blades are illegal under federal law.
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  61. Mitleser says:
    @Anon 2
    But most of the Russian oil and gas comes from western Siberia.
    Isn't it logical that the oil and gas largesse should benefit Siberia
    first, and not Moscow? Travelers around Russia widely report that,
    other than the Moscow region and possibly SPB, much of Russia
    looks like it's starved for investment money, with possibly too
    much going into the military and the space program at the expense
    of the lives of ordinary Russians.

    Oil/Gas-rich northern West Siberia is very wealthy despite all the money they sent to the federal government.

    Capital of the KMAO

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4606/30348152.21e/0_91aba_57945d36_orig

    https://gelio.livejournal.com/tag/Ханты-Мансийск

    possibly too much going into the military and the space program at the expense
    of the lives of ordinary Russians.

    Who do you think benefits from a well-funded military in Russia?

    When asked about their motives for joining the army, most of the professional soldiers say they want to improve their financial situation and eventually buy their own home.

    After a series of increases in soldiers’ pay, professional service in the Russian forces has become an attractive career option, especially in the poorer Russian provinces and in the rural areas. In 2014, a private in the Russian army received 17,400 roubles a month during their first term of service. That was well below the average Russian wage of 32,500 roubles at the time – but soldiers’ pay rises rapidly in line with their length of service, especially if they are promoted to higher ranks. For example, the basic pay received by a junior sergeant who has served for three years is roughly in line with the average Russian wage. There are also various bonuses on top of the basic salary. Basic pay itself can also be much higher than the minimum level across the MoD, depending on conditions and the location of service. For example, professional soldiers serving in Chechnya earn a minimum of 40,000 roubles before bonuses.

    http://www.mdb.cast.ru/mdb/4-2015/item3/article2/

    Where do they you think is new space infrastructure in Russia?

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  62. @German_reader
    I wrote a comment under that article. It's fantasy imo to believe that there'll be any moves to more restrictive immigration policies by the German left, they're too fanatically committed to their open borderism and "antifascism". Wagenknecht's criticism of open borders policies is pretty tame, but even for that she's been heavily criticized by many of her party colleagues as a crypto-nationalist. If she does indeed try to start a movement of her own, I don't think it will gain much traction.
    The LINKE is chock-full of people with really extreme views, at their recent party congress they seriously came out in favour of such lunatic ideas as a "right to global freedom of movement". They're also involved with all manner of "antiracist" and "antifascist" initiatives, some of whom have now started to adopt US-style race discourse about "people of color" and "white privilege". These people regard open borders as a part of an anticapitalist struggle (because "we", rich white Northerners, are exploiting the global South), and want all resources of the state mobilized against "fascists". Obviously that's a programme that appeals to a certain kind of urban far left segment, but it's probably going to cost the LINKE very dearly in state elections in the former East Germany, where in some places like Cottbus there has been serious violence between "refugees" and Germans (violence that seems to have been initiated mostly by "refugees", which even msm media can't cover up completely anymore).
    I know a lot of people on the right hope that somewhere there are "decent commies" who will come to their senses and drop their support for open borderism; but imo that's an illusion. The left in Germany and Europe is irredeemable and needs to be marginalized and stripped of all its influence.

    Hello. This is the first tine I am responding to one of your comments and therefore I am taking a minute to say hello. So hello :)

    I like your comments and especially about Germany where I regularly go for my work. I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people is now at the forefront of submission and wilful self-destruction. Although your comments help me better understand the symptoms, I still cannot pinpoint the root cause(s).

    By the way this is not limited to the class of Germany. The French and English also come to mind. But the Germans seem to be the « tip of the spear » of sorts in this regard nowadays.

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    Is it really hard to understand that "martial and conquering people" will cease to be "martial and conquering" after failling twice really hard?
    Being "martial and conquering" applied more to old East Germany which was mostly wiped out during the war and afterwards. The Rhineland, Bavaria, etc. were not like that.
    , @German_reader

    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people
     
    Well, as Mitleser already wrote, martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars, and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well, I can't entirely explain it. It must be a confluence of several factors, e.g. feelings of shame over the Nazi crimes (which bizarrely enough seem to have only increased with the passage of time), the ideology of European integration adopted by west German elites, wealth-induced decadence, a certain childishness of German society and its political elites...one has to remember that 1945-1990 the two German states had only restricted sovereignty, and the habits learned during that time haven't disappeared, German political elites are unable to come up with anything more than hypermoralism and throwing money around.
    But as you wrote yourself, it's a general trend. Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).
    , @iffen
    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people is now at the forefront of submission and wilful self-destruction.


    They were traumatized by WWII and the Nazis. I don't see them making a recovery.
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  63. Dmitry says:
    @Anon 2
    Apparently some Russians are using Google Street View to see how people
    in neighboring countries live. Not surprisingly, their curiosity is focused on
    Poland.

    For example, "Comparison Polish and Russian Villages," posted on YouTube
    by Hot Russia (in Russian), essentially asks the question "why don't Russian
    villages look as affluent and well kept up as Polish villages?" They specifically
    focus on two villages, one near Smolensk and one near Bielsko Biala in southern
    Poland. Now it's been widely reported in the U.S. press that the villages in northwestern
    Russia are losing population, most of the people left are old, and more are dying
    than being born. So perhaps that's part of the reason.

    I myself was surprised by the number of high-rise apartment towers being built in
    the outlying regions of Moscow. For example, visit Yuzhnoye Butovo (27 km southeast
    of central Moscow, 45 min by subway) - by the way, the site of the Great Purge of
    1937-8. You'll be amazed at the amount of construction going on even today, I'm not
    quite sure why. Is it due to the khrushchevkas being demolished or because Moscow
    continues to attract residents from the countryside or both?

    Or might it be that the autocracy in Russia means very specifically that
    the Moscow city-state sucks resources out of the rest of Russia so that villages and
    the Siberian cities (famously in a state of disrepair) are starved for investment money?
    Some of my ancestors, although Polish, lived in Kiev and probably Moscow as well,
    and certainly worked throughout Russia, so I find these questions interesting.

    Apparently some Russians are using Google Street View to see how people
    in neighboring countries live. Not surprisingly, their curiosity is focused on
    Poland.

    It’s one complaining guy (called ‘world citizen’) who made a channel comparing every city in the world as a way to criticize Russian cities.

    He made hundreds of videos, going through every country in the world, he always says it’s better than Russia. He focuses only on bad areas of Russian cities, and compares them with only good areas of foreign cities. It’s not a reasonable comparison, but propaganda.

    No-one in Russia is envious or dreaming about immigrating to Poland. Just this one guy whose hobby is saying everywhere in the world is better than Russia, from Google Streetview.

    This guy even says that Ukrainian cities are better than Russian cities.

    Outside this guy’s opinion, countries which people are really envious are ones which are actually have higher standards of living – Finland, Norway, Australia, Switzerland, etc.

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    This guy even says that Ukrainian cities are better than Russian cities.
     
    Ukrainian villages (particularly Galician ones) are cleaner and better put together than Russian ones (not ones with dachas but regular ones inhabited by villagers), despite being poorer, although this varies by region. For some reason villages in Orel oblast are pretty nice.

    Kiev, of course, doesn't come close to Moscow.

    Outside this guy’s opinion, countries which people are really envious are ones which are actually have higher standards of living – Finland, Norway, Australia, Switzerland, etc.
     
    Poland, overall, has a higher standard of living than Russia. Per capita income is a little higher and wealth is more evenly distributed. So a provincial Polish town will appear to be much more prosperous than a provincial Russian one.
    , @Lithuanian
    I'm old enough to remember Soviet countryside in Russia too. It wasn't well kept and tidy as in my country- Lithuania. Now it's even worse. Russians are very lazy, their countryside architecture is mongoloid, they drown in misery and alchoholism and they are ok to live like pigs. Same can be said about most of Ukrainians. Belorusians are hit and miss
    Poles are bit tidier and Lithuanian villages are now only becoming shitholes. Good example is Kaliningrad and how Russians turned it into shithole. I really like russian language and some culture aspects, but their mentality stinks of shit and they are literally niggers of eastern europ
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  64. @Guillaume Tell
    Interesting.

    Now I have a question: it is my understanding that in most US states (with the exception of the hopelessly liberal ones like CA) one can relatively easily obtain a CCW permit. However it is also my understanding that this works only for firearms — not knives. Is that correct?

    Another way to ask the question is the following: does the 2nd Amendment apply to blades? For instance one could legally carry a long rifle with its ammunition but not the assorted bayonet. This seems a bit crazy.

    There’s no hysteria about knives here unlike the UK. I’ve never even heard of it being prohibited to carry a knife, though I’m sure you can find such a jurisdiction.

    Larger cities sometimes regulate the maximum permissible length of a blade.

    Switch-blades are illegal under federal law.

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    There’s no hysteria about knives here unlike the UK

    If you were following the news in the UK regularly (as I am, since I have 2 sons living there) you would be aware that it's not hysteria, or at least not unjustified hysteria. Just like in the US you don't have to worry about acid attacks either, which have become a staple of daily life in London.
    , @Guillaume Tell
    "illegal", like in "illegal to carry" -- or "illegal to own"? The latter would be scary indeed.
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  65. melanf says:
    @Anon 2
    But most of the Russian oil and gas comes from western Siberia.
    Isn't it logical that the oil and gas largesse should benefit Siberia
    first, and not Moscow? Travelers around Russia widely report that,
    other than the Moscow region and possibly SPB, much of Russia
    looks like it's starved for investment money, with possibly too
    much going into the military and the space program at the expense
    of the lives of ordinary Russians.

    most of the Russian oil and gas comes from western Siberia.
    Isn’t it logical that the oil and gas largesse should benefit Siberia
    first, and not Moscow?

    Geographical map of income level in Russia.

    oil and gas benefit western Siberia first
    ( North-West of Siberia-the region with the highest standard of living in Russia)

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    Thank you for the map! So, except for the Moscow region, western Russia
    (in fact, much of the European Russia) is poorer than average. I wonder
    how much of this is due to historical factors
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  66. Mitleser says:
    @Guillaume Tell
    Hello. This is the first tine I am responding to one of your comments and therefore I am taking a minute to say hello. So hello :)

    I like your comments and especially about Germany where I regularly go for my work. I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people is now at the forefront of submission and wilful self-destruction. Although your comments help me better understand the symptoms, I still cannot pinpoint the root cause(s).

    By the way this is not limited to the class of Germany. The French and English also come to mind. But the Germans seem to be the « tip of the spear » of sorts in this regard nowadays.

    Is it really hard to understand that “martial and conquering people” will cease to be “martial and conquering” after failling twice really hard?
    Being “martial and conquering” applied more to old East Germany which was mostly wiped out during the war and afterwards. The Rhineland, Bavaria, etc. were not like that.

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    I remember reading either a paper or an article on this subject - it’s been a while but I’m sure people can find resources. In general, wars can be very dysgenic; you lose your young, capable, brave men in high proportions (often before they procreate). The ones who get a pass to avoid war are cowards (or these can survive deployment at higher rates by keeping their heads down) or those incapable or unfit. Not a good combo. It’s less so now because we have rules for POWs and such but in the past you could lose your entire army or the lion’s share of it like at Cannae or Qadisiyyah.

    Certain rules to walk away with:
    1) if you plan to wage war, make sure you win because they are generally dysgenic from the start
    2) losing a war is even more dysgenic
    3) losing a war to Russia in an epic way is even more dysgenic

    Peace.
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  67. @Guillaume Tell
    Hello. This is the first tine I am responding to one of your comments and therefore I am taking a minute to say hello. So hello :)

    I like your comments and especially about Germany where I regularly go for my work. I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people is now at the forefront of submission and wilful self-destruction. Although your comments help me better understand the symptoms, I still cannot pinpoint the root cause(s).

    By the way this is not limited to the class of Germany. The French and English also come to mind. But the Germans seem to be the « tip of the spear » of sorts in this regard nowadays.

    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people

    Well, as Mitleser already wrote, martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars, and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well, I can’t entirely explain it. It must be a confluence of several factors, e.g. feelings of shame over the Nazi crimes (which bizarrely enough seem to have only increased with the passage of time), the ideology of European integration adopted by west German elites, wealth-induced decadence, a certain childishness of German society and its political elites…one has to remember that 1945-1990 the two German states had only restricted sovereignty, and the habits learned during that time haven’t disappeared, German political elites are unable to come up with anything more than hypermoralism and throwing money around.
    But as you wrote yourself, it’s a general trend. Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).

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    Other Europeans are more or less in the same boat.

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.

    European integration was something that was harder to avoid if you are one of the the smaller countries and France considered it an opportunity to make France great again.

    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.
    , @Dmitry

    Well, as Mitleser already wrote, martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars, and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well, I can’t entirely explain it. It must be a confluence of several factors, e.g. feelings of shame over the Nazi crimes (which bizarrely enough seem to have only increased with the passage of time), the ideology of European integration adopted by west German elites, wealth-induced decadence, a certain childishness of German society and its political elites…one has to remember that 1945-1990 the two German states had only restricted sovereignty, and the habits learned during that time haven’t disappeared, German political elites are unable to come up with anything more than hypermoralism and throwing money around.
     
    Well to say obvious things.

    From 1814-1914 - Germany (or German-speaking peoples) are having a great century of flourishing and genius, and becoming perhaps the world's most talented if unusual people.

    Who could have imagined in this earlier era (before first world war) future events, of Germany between 1933 to 1945 - a complete mental breakdown and brutal insanity.

    For me, what seems counter-intuitive is how successfully (West) Germany has recovered itself from 1950s years onwards, almost as if it has returned to its default, civilized culture of the previous century.

    But underneath the surface, perhaps something is not the same. And perhaps the return to normalcy is a little like after the patient is returned to society after a lobotomy operation.
    , @Guillaume Tell
    Thanks for the thoughtful comments. I had not considered the "childishness" of German society and its political elites, but considering the cult that has developed around "Mutti" Merkel, you certainly have a point here.

    martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars,
     
    Well, I am assuming the final "s" was a typo because as you know better than I, destruction of Germany occurred only during ww2 while ww1 left it essentially untouched (unless France where all the fighting occurred).

    and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
     
    Why? Really I don't get that. Can't the point be made that Germany unified and got bellicose as a result of repeated French aggressions and acted at least in part in self-defense? The 30-year war, the French revolutionary wars, the Napoleonic wars of conquests and subsequent occupations, etc.: isn't that the real cause of German bellicosity against its western neighbor?

    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well
     
    Indeed. Do you see this wish being as widespread amongst the youth, as amongst the boomer ruling age group?

    Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).
     
    France IMO never recovered from the 1789 revolution and more importantly the slaying of King Louis. The country has been deeply divided since. Britain is totally incomprehensible. Sweden I do not know much about.
    , @Rattus Norwegius
    I think that due to a Western cultural bubble that most European countries were part of, that they were influenced by each other. USA being the dominant country in this cultural club also dominated this cultural sphere. This meant that ideas that "caught on" in USA could or would spread quickly to the rest of this Western culturals sphere. Allthough European countries would likely have some immigration based on "native" cultural influence.
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  68. Talha says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    That is sad. I thought that at some point Koko had found a man, so to speak, but apparently it didn’t go anywhere.

    In other news, I’m just back from a conference in a certain vibrant North American city where they celebrate “Pride month”.

    Where do I sign up for NRx?

    LOL! I was a bit saddened actually when recently I did a quick review of the landscape. It seems like all of the former territories of Byzantium are hosting PRIDE parades; Malta and Cyprus (at least the Greek part) included. What a shame. Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.

    Beirut came close this year, but it seems the authorities shut it down after detaining the lead organizer. It seems it would have run afoul of a lot of municipal codes on decency and such – at least that’s what the authorities pressed as the issue. Close call.

    Peace.

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    It seems like all of the former territories of Byzantium are hosting PRIDE parades
     
    Correct observation, but these are generally not grassroots. The traitor governments, controlled by the west, have pushed and enforced these, in many cases sending riot police to keep the paraders from getting beaten up by traditionalists, footbal hooligans, and the like.

    If you keep indoctrinating children in school the attitudes would eventually change (cf. western societies), so the key will be, who can hunker down and resists till the external pressures go away. That's why you see (in the "East European attitudes towards Russia and the US" section) huge support for Russia in some EE countries; people are genuinely hoping for stronger Russian influence to protect their traditional way of life, which is under attack from the west.
    , @iffen
    Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.


    Don't celebrate too much Talha, when the SJWs acquire total control this is gonna look bad. Bad, as in, "let's turn the U. S. rainbow army loose.":)

    , @Guillaume Tell

    Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.
     
    Yeah right. This is why Morocco is so famous amongst Francophone fags as the go-to place for easy sex with the locals. You're such a moronic pretentious prick.
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  69. @Thorfinnsson
    Additionally I just ordered some Gucci horsebit crocodile skin loafers.

    https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/men/mens-shoes/mens-moccasins-loafers/1953-horsebit-crocodile-loafer-p-307929EC2001000?position=49&listName=PGUS4Cols&categoryPath=Men/Mens-Shoes/Mens-Moccasins-Loafers

    There is now no turning back. I have crossed the Rubicon. My life is forever changed.

    Looking forward to visiting India in September and informing people that my shoes cost more than their annual wages.

    You mentioned a while back in another post that you’re a millennial. These Guccis look like something your father would wear, if he were to have a pimpy taste in clothing (specifically the croc ones, not the regular leather). I am not objecting to the price, I just find your taste in clothing to be in conflict with your age. Based on all the millennials I’ve observed, and their taste in clothing, you’d be a sample of one. I’m a little older than you (assuming you’re indeed a millennial) and I like and have multiple pairs of nice expensive Italian shoes , but I wouldn’t be caught dead in those Guccis. They just send all the wrong signals.

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  70. @Talha
    LOL! I was a bit saddened actually when recently I did a quick review of the landscape. It seems like all of the former territories of Byzantium are hosting PRIDE parades; Malta and Cyprus (at least the Greek part) included. What a shame. Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.

    Beirut came close this year, but it seems the authorities shut it down after detaining the lead organizer. It seems it would have run afoul of a lot of municipal codes on decency and such - at least that’s what the authorities pressed as the issue. Close call.

    Peace.

    It seems like all of the former territories of Byzantium are hosting PRIDE parades

    Correct observation, but these are generally not grassroots. The traitor governments, controlled by the west, have pushed and enforced these, in many cases sending riot police to keep the paraders from getting beaten up by traditionalists, footbal hooligans, and the like.

    If you keep indoctrinating children in school the attitudes would eventually change (cf. western societies), so the key will be, who can hunker down and resists till the external pressures go away. That’s why you see (in the “East European attitudes towards Russia and the US” section) huge support for Russia in some EE countries; people are genuinely hoping for stronger Russian influence to protect their traditional way of life, which is under attack from the west.

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    A centralized schooling apparatus is absolutely necessary for this kind of change in attitudes. They are now introducing mandatory LGBTQ+ parts to the curriculum. I saw my own daughter was getting a little too influenced so had to dedicate some time into deconstructing their arguments and getting her back on track. Not as solid as I would like, but it’ll do for now.

    In general, women should not be given too many positions of power in the political realm; a few are usually OK but it should be kept to a minimum and extremely discouraged at the very top echelons.

    The poz usually begins there, it doesn’t drop out of the blue. Of course, Serbia seems to be batting it outta the park - they have an openly lesbian PM who attended the PRIDE parade herself. Bravo...?

    Peace.
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  71. Mitleser says:
    @German_reader

    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people
     
    Well, as Mitleser already wrote, martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars, and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well, I can't entirely explain it. It must be a confluence of several factors, e.g. feelings of shame over the Nazi crimes (which bizarrely enough seem to have only increased with the passage of time), the ideology of European integration adopted by west German elites, wealth-induced decadence, a certain childishness of German society and its political elites...one has to remember that 1945-1990 the two German states had only restricted sovereignty, and the habits learned during that time haven't disappeared, German political elites are unable to come up with anything more than hypermoralism and throwing money around.
    But as you wrote yourself, it's a general trend. Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).

    Other Europeans are more or less in the same boat.

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.

    European integration was something that was harder to avoid if you are one of the the smaller countries and France considered it an opportunity to make France great again.

    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.

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    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.
     
    I don't know, those are often exaggerated imo. Sure, the French tortured a lot of people in Algeria, but tbh those FLN people were pretty evil themselves, so no reason to feel guilty about anything. And British decolonization wasn't really that bloody, those claims about a British "Gulag" in Kenya are mostly lies.
    The end of European empires probably did a lot to shatter the self-confidence of former colonial powers, but by itself it wouldn't have been that bad...if there hadn't been foolish attempts to maintain links with the former colonies and allow mass immigration from them.
    , @DFH

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.
     
    Virtually no-one in Britain except dedicated Communists and liberal internationalists ever cared about 'colonial crimes' (even today, the empire is not unpopular); I believe this is very different from the situation in post-war Germany.

    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/8301/British%20Empire.png


    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.
     
    I always hear people say this, but never see very many concrete examples. I know that the yanks forced Germany to take Turkish Gastarbeiter, which was pretty bad. But DeGaulle was able to leave NATO and destroy Bretton-Woods without American tanks rolling into Paris.
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  72. Talha says:
    @Mitleser
    Is it really hard to understand that "martial and conquering people" will cease to be "martial and conquering" after failling twice really hard?
    Being "martial and conquering" applied more to old East Germany which was mostly wiped out during the war and afterwards. The Rhineland, Bavaria, etc. were not like that.

    I remember reading either a paper or an article on this subject – it’s been a while but I’m sure people can find resources. In general, wars can be very dysgenic; you lose your young, capable, brave men in high proportions (often before they procreate). The ones who get a pass to avoid war are cowards (or these can survive deployment at higher rates by keeping their heads down) or those incapable or unfit. Not a good combo. It’s less so now because we have rules for POWs and such but in the past you could lose your entire army or the lion’s share of it like at Cannae or Qadisiyyah.

    Certain rules to walk away with:
    1) if you plan to wage war, make sure you win because they are generally dysgenic from the start
    2) losing a war is even more dysgenic
    3) losing a war to Russia in an epic way is even more dysgenic

    Peace.

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    I heard about this as well; but I think it depends somewbat on the type of army.

    If the army is composed of a small professional force then large losses are probably dysgenic, but if it is a full scale conscript army relying more on numerical superiority then it might not necessarily be so.
    , @Rattus Norwegius
    Why is losing a war to Russia more dysgenic than losing a war to another country?
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  73. @Mitleser
    Other Europeans are more or less in the same boat.

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.

    European integration was something that was harder to avoid if you are one of the the smaller countries and France considered it an opportunity to make France great again.

    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.

    I don’t know, those are often exaggerated imo. Sure, the French tortured a lot of people in Algeria, but tbh those FLN people were pretty evil themselves, so no reason to feel guilty about anything. And British decolonization wasn’t really that bloody, those claims about a British “Gulag” in Kenya are mostly lies.
    The end of European empires probably did a lot to shatter the self-confidence of former colonial powers, but by itself it wouldn’t have been that bad…if there hadn’t been foolish attempts to maintain links with the former colonies and allow mass immigration from them.

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  74. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Apparently some Russians are using Google Street View to see how people
    in neighboring countries live. Not surprisingly, their curiosity is focused on
    Poland.
     
    It's one complaining guy (called 'world citizen') who made a channel comparing every city in the world as a way to criticize Russian cities.

    He made hundreds of videos, going through every country in the world, he always says it's better than Russia. He focuses only on bad areas of Russian cities, and compares them with only good areas of foreign cities. It's not a reasonable comparison, but propaganda.

    No-one in Russia is envious or dreaming about immigrating to Poland. Just this one guy whose hobby is saying everywhere in the world is better than Russia, from Google Streetview.

    This guy even says that Ukrainian cities are better than Russian cities.

    Outside this guy's opinion, countries which people are really envious are ones which are actually have higher standards of living - Finland, Norway, Australia, Switzerland, etc.

    This guy even says that Ukrainian cities are better than Russian cities.

    Ukrainian villages (particularly Galician ones) are cleaner and better put together than Russian ones (not ones with dachas but regular ones inhabited by villagers), despite being poorer, although this varies by region. For some reason villages in Orel oblast are pretty nice.

    Kiev, of course, doesn’t come close to Moscow.

    Outside this guy’s opinion, countries which people are really envious are ones which are actually have higher standards of living – Finland, Norway, Australia, Switzerland, etc.

    Poland, overall, has a higher standard of living than Russia. Per capita income is a little higher and wealth is more evenly distributed. So a provincial Polish town will appear to be much more prosperous than a provincial Russian one.

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    Ukrainian villages (particularly Galician ones) are cleaner and better put together than Russian ones (not ones with dachas but regular ones inhabited by villagers), despite being poorer, although this varies by region. For some reason villages in Orel oblast are pretty nice.

    Kiev, of course, doesn’t come close to Moscow.
     

    It's perfectly likely, but it does not support the biased analysis of the channel.

    1. What determines his methodology of selection of streets? In almost every video, the city of the other country is better, and he is the one who is intentionally selecting particular streets to compare.

    2. Aside from that, the way something looks on Google Streetview does not necessarily say very objectively (beyond correlations) about the place, or even atmosphere on the ground.

    So a provincial Polish town will appear to be much more prosperous than a provincial Russian one.
     

    Outward appearance is not always a very accurate way to determine prosperity (again there will just be correlations).

    Lvov gives the impression (on Street View) of an extremely wealthy city (if you don't notice the cars), similar to the most upper-class areas of Paris, Geneva or Milan. It's only someone who looks at the cars who will be getting something of the economic reality...

    Comparison of Detroit with Chelyabinsk. It's not that there is a justification to defend Chelyabinsk, but he somehow does not show abandoned and ruined buildings* for which Detroit is famous (sure Detroit may also have very nice streets, but I could guess before what he would show).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smk7lNnEuTs


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  75. DFH says:
    @Mitleser
    Other Europeans are more or less in the same boat.

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.

    European integration was something that was harder to avoid if you are one of the the smaller countries and France considered it an opportunity to make France great again.

    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.

    Virtually no-one in Britain except dedicated Communists and liberal internationalists ever cared about ‘colonial crimes’ (even today, the empire is not unpopular); I believe this is very different from the situation in post-war Germany.

    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.

    I always hear people say this, but never see very many concrete examples. I know that the yanks forced Germany to take Turkish Gastarbeiter, which was pretty bad. But DeGaulle was able to leave NATO and destroy Bretton-Woods without American tanks rolling into Paris.

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    I believe this is very different from the situation in post-war Germany.
     
    What post-war Germany?
    In early post-war Germany, Germans were still quite nationalist, claiming the 1937 German borders.

    But DeGaulle was able to leave NATO
     
    He did not. France did only leave the military part of NATO.

    ...without American tanks rolling into Paris.
     
    France was a nuclear-armed country at that point.
    , @iffen
    I know that the yanks forced Germany to take Turkish Gastarbeiter,

    How do you know this? I thought this was a German idea, you know, import Turks to do work that Germans won't do.
    , @Guillaume Tell
    No US tanks for sure but he got full-blown CIA-backed subversion instead which ultimately destroyed his regime (May 68 of which he never recovered). (((Cohn-Bendit))), (((Krivine))), (((Geismar))), (((Goupil))) and the likes were all frequent visitors to the US embassy in Paris.
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  76. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people
     
    Well, as Mitleser already wrote, martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars, and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well, I can't entirely explain it. It must be a confluence of several factors, e.g. feelings of shame over the Nazi crimes (which bizarrely enough seem to have only increased with the passage of time), the ideology of European integration adopted by west German elites, wealth-induced decadence, a certain childishness of German society and its political elites...one has to remember that 1945-1990 the two German states had only restricted sovereignty, and the habits learned during that time haven't disappeared, German political elites are unable to come up with anything more than hypermoralism and throwing money around.
    But as you wrote yourself, it's a general trend. Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).

    Well, as Mitleser already wrote, martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars, and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well, I can’t entirely explain it. It must be a confluence of several factors, e.g. feelings of shame over the Nazi crimes (which bizarrely enough seem to have only increased with the passage of time), the ideology of European integration adopted by west German elites, wealth-induced decadence, a certain childishness of German society and its political elites…one has to remember that 1945-1990 the two German states had only restricted sovereignty, and the habits learned during that time haven’t disappeared, German political elites are unable to come up with anything more than hypermoralism and throwing money around.

    Well to say obvious things.

    From 1814-1914 – Germany (or German-speaking peoples) are having a great century of flourishing and genius, and becoming perhaps the world’s most talented if unusual people.

    Who could have imagined in this earlier era (before first world war) future events, of Germany between 1933 to 1945 – a complete mental breakdown and brutal insanity.

    For me, what seems counter-intuitive is how successfully (West) Germany has recovered itself from 1950s years onwards, almost as if it has returned to its default, civilized culture of the previous century.

    But underneath the surface, perhaps something is not the same. And perhaps the return to normalcy is a little like after the patient is returned to society after a lobotomy operation.

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  77. Talha says:
    @Chet Bradley

    It seems like all of the former territories of Byzantium are hosting PRIDE parades
     
    Correct observation, but these are generally not grassroots. The traitor governments, controlled by the west, have pushed and enforced these, in many cases sending riot police to keep the paraders from getting beaten up by traditionalists, footbal hooligans, and the like.

    If you keep indoctrinating children in school the attitudes would eventually change (cf. western societies), so the key will be, who can hunker down and resists till the external pressures go away. That's why you see (in the "East European attitudes towards Russia and the US" section) huge support for Russia in some EE countries; people are genuinely hoping for stronger Russian influence to protect their traditional way of life, which is under attack from the west.

    A centralized schooling apparatus is absolutely necessary for this kind of change in attitudes. They are now introducing mandatory LGBTQ+ parts to the curriculum. I saw my own daughter was getting a little too influenced so had to dedicate some time into deconstructing their arguments and getting her back on track. Not as solid as I would like, but it’ll do for now.

    In general, women should not be given too many positions of power in the political realm; a few are usually OK but it should be kept to a minimum and extremely discouraged at the very top echelons.

    The poz usually begins there, it doesn’t drop out of the blue. Of course, Serbia seems to be batting it outta the park – they have an openly lesbian PM who attended the PRIDE parade herself. Bravo…?

    Peace.

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    Of course, Serbia seems to be batting it outta the park...
     
    Exactly, hence my comment about traitorous governments. But you know how it goes in history - things go one way till SHTF and then they don't any longer.
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  78. Mitleser says:
    @DFH

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.
     
    Virtually no-one in Britain except dedicated Communists and liberal internationalists ever cared about 'colonial crimes' (even today, the empire is not unpopular); I believe this is very different from the situation in post-war Germany.

    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/8301/British%20Empire.png


    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.
     
    I always hear people say this, but never see very many concrete examples. I know that the yanks forced Germany to take Turkish Gastarbeiter, which was pretty bad. But DeGaulle was able to leave NATO and destroy Bretton-Woods without American tanks rolling into Paris.

    I believe this is very different from the situation in post-war Germany.

    What post-war Germany?
    In early post-war Germany, Germans were still quite nationalist, claiming the 1937 German borders.

    But DeGaulle was able to leave NATO

    He did not. France did only leave the military part of NATO.

    …without American tanks rolling into Paris.

    France was a nuclear-armed country at that point.

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  79. @reiner Tor
    I noticed some noise in the Hungarian online press about alleged doping among Russian footballers.

    I noticed some noise in the Hungarian online press about alleged doping among Russian footballers.

    Russia’s team doctor has bristled at questions about doping checks at the World Cup, claiming the host side have been tested twice as often as England. The statement came in the wake of a report in The Daily Telegraph that found Russian players had covered more ground than any others during the tournament . . .

    Telegraph Sport found that Russia’s players have run further during their first two matches than any other team, 73 miles in their first game and 71 miles in their second . . .

    “Extraordinary performances demand additional tests,” Travis Tygart, the chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, told The Daily Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/06/22/russia-says-team-tested-two-times-england-amid-doping-questions/

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    Tygart has carried on like a douche:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/09022018-western-chauvinism-against-russia-gone-berserk-oped/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/09062016-enhanced-russia-bashing-at-the-new-york-times-analysis/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/12072016-russian-track-and-field-athletes-face-an-ongoing-ordeal-analysis/

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  80. @Thorfinnsson
    There's no hysteria about knives here unlike the UK. I've never even heard of it being prohibited to carry a knife, though I'm sure you can find such a jurisdiction.

    Larger cities sometimes regulate the maximum permissible length of a blade.

    Switch-blades are illegal under federal law.

    There’s no hysteria about knives here unlike the UK

    If you were following the news in the UK regularly (as I am, since I have 2 sons living there) you would be aware that it’s not hysteria, or at least not unjustified hysteria. Just like in the US you don’t have to worry about acid attacks either, which have become a staple of daily life in London.

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    you don’t have to worry about acid attacks either, which have become a staple of daily life in London.
     
    I wonder about that: is it limited to internal strife amongst Vibrants, or are such benefits of Diversity also extended to the English natives?
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  81. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    This guy even says that Ukrainian cities are better than Russian cities.
     
    Ukrainian villages (particularly Galician ones) are cleaner and better put together than Russian ones (not ones with dachas but regular ones inhabited by villagers), despite being poorer, although this varies by region. For some reason villages in Orel oblast are pretty nice.

    Kiev, of course, doesn't come close to Moscow.

    Outside this guy’s opinion, countries which people are really envious are ones which are actually have higher standards of living – Finland, Norway, Australia, Switzerland, etc.
     
    Poland, overall, has a higher standard of living than Russia. Per capita income is a little higher and wealth is more evenly distributed. So a provincial Polish town will appear to be much more prosperous than a provincial Russian one.

    Ukrainian villages (particularly Galician ones) are cleaner and better put together than Russian ones (not ones with dachas but regular ones inhabited by villagers), despite being poorer, although this varies by region. For some reason villages in Orel oblast are pretty nice.

    Kiev, of course, doesn’t come close to Moscow.

    It’s perfectly likely, but it does not support the biased analysis of the channel.

    1. What determines his methodology of selection of streets? In almost every video, the city of the other country is better, and he is the one who is intentionally selecting particular streets to compare.

    2. Aside from that, the way something looks on Google Streetview does not necessarily say very objectively (beyond correlations) about the place, or even atmosphere on the ground.

    So a provincial Polish town will appear to be much more prosperous than a provincial Russian one.

    Outward appearance is not always a very accurate way to determine prosperity (again there will just be correlations).

    Lvov gives the impression (on Street View) of an extremely wealthy city (if you don’t notice the cars), similar to the most upper-class areas of Paris, Geneva or Milan. It’s only someone who looks at the cars who will be getting something of the economic reality…

    Comparison of Detroit with Chelyabinsk. It’s not that there is a justification to defend Chelyabinsk, but he somehow does not show abandoned and ruined buildings* for which Detroit is famous (sure Detroit may also have very nice streets, but I could guess before what he would show).

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    Lvov gives the impression (on Street View) of an extremely wealthy city (if you don’t notice the cars), similar to the most upper-class areas of Paris, Geneva or Milan. It’s only someone who looks at the cars who will be getting something of the economic reality
     
    Sure, but lived reality for Lviv is excellent - people live every day in a beautiful place, and they enjoy (extremely cheap) good food and such. But obviously affording nice cars is something else.

    Comparison of Detroit with Chelyabinsk. It’s not that there is a justification to defend Chelyabinsk, but he somehow does not show abandoned and ruined buildings* for which Detroit is famous (sure Detroit may also have very nice streets, but I could guess before what he would show).
     
    I've been to both places. Yeah, the blogger lost all credibility with his comparison. Detroit is largely in ruins. There are some decent areas, often the residents hire private security to patrol them. It is like the show "Walking Dead."
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  82. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    There's no debate to be had. The idea that all humans are of equal worth is disproven by observable reality. People are not equal, and we need a political system which recognizes that.

    People are not equal, and we need a political system which recognizes that.

    The political system that we have presents the façade that we are equal, but operates in a manner that allows those who are more equal to run everything for their benefit.

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  83. The Enemy has a clever new strategy: intimidating Republican officeholders in public and even outside their homes.

    DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Stephen Miller, and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi have all been targeted.

    This is clearly coordinated, and as usual the enemy media is encouraging it.

    They seem to be specifically focusing on women, which is clever since women are weak and nearly always crack under pressure.

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    In Germany (and I suppose other European countries as well) Antifa often tries to intimidate members of the right-wing opposition by vandalizing their houses, torching their cars or holding intimidating demonstrations in front of their homes.
    I suppose the American left will adopt similar tactics. It's pretty astounding though that they attempt such things against people actually holding office or being linked in some way to the government.
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  84. iffen says:
    @Guillaume Tell
    Hello. This is the first tine I am responding to one of your comments and therefore I am taking a minute to say hello. So hello :)

    I like your comments and especially about Germany where I regularly go for my work. I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people is now at the forefront of submission and wilful self-destruction. Although your comments help me better understand the symptoms, I still cannot pinpoint the root cause(s).

    By the way this is not limited to the class of Germany. The French and English also come to mind. But the Germans seem to be the « tip of the spear » of sorts in this regard nowadays.

    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people is now at the forefront of submission and wilful self-destruction.

    They were traumatized by WWII and the Nazis. I don’t see them making a recovery.

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    This is certainly a necessary part of the explanation. But I do not find it

    sufficient
     
    . That they accept to be traumatized as much I find incomprehensible. Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan? Do the Chinese feel guilty because of Mao? Evidently not.

    There must be something else playing out. I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.
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  85. @Thorfinnsson
    The Enemy has a clever new strategy: intimidating Republican officeholders in public and even outside their homes.

    DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Stephen Miller, and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi have all been targeted.

    This is clearly coordinated, and as usual the enemy media is encouraging it.

    They seem to be specifically focusing on women, which is clever since women are weak and nearly always crack under pressure.

    In Germany (and I suppose other European countries as well) Antifa often tries to intimidate members of the right-wing opposition by vandalizing their houses, torching their cars or holding intimidating demonstrations in front of their homes.
    I suppose the American left will adopt similar tactics. It’s pretty astounding though that they attempt such things against people actually holding office or being linked in some way to the government.

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    It’s pretty astounding though that they attempt such things against people actually holding office or being linked in some way to the government.
     
    That tells you everything you need to know about "the government," doesn't it?
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  86. iffen says:
    @Talha
    LOL! I was a bit saddened actually when recently I did a quick review of the landscape. It seems like all of the former territories of Byzantium are hosting PRIDE parades; Malta and Cyprus (at least the Greek part) included. What a shame. Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.

    Beirut came close this year, but it seems the authorities shut it down after detaining the lead organizer. It seems it would have run afoul of a lot of municipal codes on decency and such - at least that’s what the authorities pressed as the issue. Close call.

    Peace.

    Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.

    Don’t celebrate too much Talha, when the SJWs acquire total control this is gonna look bad. Bad, as in, “let’s turn the U. S. rainbow army loose.”:)

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    It begins...
    http://www.businessinsider.com/meet-kristin-beck-2017-7

    Gives “tip of the spear” a slightly different meaning...

    Peace.
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  87. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Ukrainian villages (particularly Galician ones) are cleaner and better put together than Russian ones (not ones with dachas but regular ones inhabited by villagers), despite being poorer, although this varies by region. For some reason villages in Orel oblast are pretty nice.

    Kiev, of course, doesn’t come close to Moscow.
     

    It's perfectly likely, but it does not support the biased analysis of the channel.

    1. What determines his methodology of selection of streets? In almost every video, the city of the other country is better, and he is the one who is intentionally selecting particular streets to compare.

    2. Aside from that, the way something looks on Google Streetview does not necessarily say very objectively (beyond correlations) about the place, or even atmosphere on the ground.

    So a provincial Polish town will appear to be much more prosperous than a provincial Russian one.
     

    Outward appearance is not always a very accurate way to determine prosperity (again there will just be correlations).

    Lvov gives the impression (on Street View) of an extremely wealthy city (if you don't notice the cars), similar to the most upper-class areas of Paris, Geneva or Milan. It's only someone who looks at the cars who will be getting something of the economic reality...

    Comparison of Detroit with Chelyabinsk. It's not that there is a justification to defend Chelyabinsk, but he somehow does not show abandoned and ruined buildings* for which Detroit is famous (sure Detroit may also have very nice streets, but I could guess before what he would show).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smk7lNnEuTs


    -
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    -
    *For reference:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRnbILk3XE

    Lvov gives the impression (on Street View) of an extremely wealthy city (if you don’t notice the cars), similar to the most upper-class areas of Paris, Geneva or Milan. It’s only someone who looks at the cars who will be getting something of the economic reality

    Sure, but lived reality for Lviv is excellent – people live every day in a beautiful place, and they enjoy (extremely cheap) good food and such. But obviously affording nice cars is something else.

    Comparison of Detroit with Chelyabinsk. It’s not that there is a justification to defend Chelyabinsk, but he somehow does not show abandoned and ruined buildings* for which Detroit is famous (sure Detroit may also have very nice streets, but I could guess before what he would show).

    I’ve been to both places. Yeah, the blogger lost all credibility with his comparison. Detroit is largely in ruins. There are some decent areas, often the residents hire private security to patrol them. It is like the show “Walking Dead.”

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  88. @for-the-record
    There’s no hysteria about knives here unlike the UK

    If you were following the news in the UK regularly (as I am, since I have 2 sons living there) you would be aware that it's not hysteria, or at least not unjustified hysteria. Just like in the US you don't have to worry about acid attacks either, which have become a staple of daily life in London.

    you don’t have to worry about acid attacks either, which have become a staple of daily life in London.

    I wonder about that: is it limited to internal strife amongst Vibrants, or are such benefits of Diversity also extended to the English natives?

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    Probably mostly limited to the vibrant, but there was at least one case in which an uninvolved English woman was killed in such an attack:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/11/woman-died-after-being-splashed-with-acid-from-nearby-dispute
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  89. @Thorfinnsson
    There's no hysteria about knives here unlike the UK. I've never even heard of it being prohibited to carry a knife, though I'm sure you can find such a jurisdiction.

    Larger cities sometimes regulate the maximum permissible length of a blade.

    Switch-blades are illegal under federal law.

    “illegal”, like in “illegal to carry” — or “illegal to own”? The latter would be scary indeed.

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    Illegal to carry.

    Switch-blades however are illegal to own period. I believe this was linked to '50s era hysteria about Puerto Rican gangs and teenage delinquents in the new suburbs. West Side Story and Rebel Without a Cause dramatize this.
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  90. iffen says:
    @DFH

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.
     
    Virtually no-one in Britain except dedicated Communists and liberal internationalists ever cared about 'colonial crimes' (even today, the empire is not unpopular); I believe this is very different from the situation in post-war Germany.

    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/8301/British%20Empire.png


    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.
     
    I always hear people say this, but never see very many concrete examples. I know that the yanks forced Germany to take Turkish Gastarbeiter, which was pretty bad. But DeGaulle was able to leave NATO and destroy Bretton-Woods without American tanks rolling into Paris.

    I know that the yanks forced Germany to take Turkish Gastarbeiter,

    How do you know this? I thought this was a German idea, you know, import Turks to do work that Germans won’t do.

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    Well, "forced" may be a bit too much, but as far as I know the US did exert some diplomatic pressure in the early 1960s on West Germany to take in Turkish "guest workers". It was linked to Cold war politics, Turkey was seen as an important NATO ally against the commies, so stabilizing its economy and linking it into supposedly mutually beneficial relationships with Western states seemed like a good idea.
    I don't know how important US pressure was, but since there were concerns on the German side right from the start (iirc originally they didn't want Turks, because the cultural differences were seen as too great, and would have preferred just to stick with Southern Europeans) it probably did play some role. The really disastrous decisions of the early 1970s and 1980s which enabled permanent Turkish settlement and large-scale family reunification were probably taken without much American involvement though (at least I've never heard something that would indicate otherwise).
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  91. @Guillaume Tell

    you don’t have to worry about acid attacks either, which have become a staple of daily life in London.
     
    I wonder about that: is it limited to internal strife amongst Vibrants, or are such benefits of Diversity also extended to the English natives?

    Probably mostly limited to the vibrant, but there was at least one case in which an uninvolved English woman was killed in such an attack:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/11/woman-died-after-being-splashed-with-acid-from-nearby-dispute

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    Vibrants -- the gift that keeps on giving, really.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    Xeneral Webster
     
    Don't even have to type the name into Google to know its a Negro.

    Incidentally, splashing acid into people's faces to distract them while the thieves steal their cell phone has become a popular crime in London.

    The Russian Anglo-worshipping liberal cucks whom I tell this to tend to react with studied disbelief.
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  92. @Talha
    LOL! I was a bit saddened actually when recently I did a quick review of the landscape. It seems like all of the former territories of Byzantium are hosting PRIDE parades; Malta and Cyprus (at least the Greek part) included. What a shame. Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.

    Beirut came close this year, but it seems the authorities shut it down after detaining the lead organizer. It seems it would have run afoul of a lot of municipal codes on decency and such - at least that’s what the authorities pressed as the issue. Close call.

    Peace.

    Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.

    Yeah right. This is why Morocco is so famous amongst Francophone fags as the go-to place for easy sex with the locals. You’re such a moronic pretentious prick.

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    Pitching or receiving; it makes a difference.

    Do they do it openly? And flaunt it in public? Then you have your answer.

    Also...when was Morocco under Byzantine control exactly?

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  93. @iffen
    I know that the yanks forced Germany to take Turkish Gastarbeiter,

    How do you know this? I thought this was a German idea, you know, import Turks to do work that Germans won't do.

    Well, “forced” may be a bit too much, but as far as I know the US did exert some diplomatic pressure in the early 1960s on West Germany to take in Turkish “guest workers”. It was linked to Cold war politics, Turkey was seen as an important NATO ally against the commies, so stabilizing its economy and linking it into supposedly mutually beneficial relationships with Western states seemed like a good idea.
    I don’t know how important US pressure was, but since there were concerns on the German side right from the start (iirc originally they didn’t want Turks, because the cultural differences were seen as too great, and would have preferred just to stick with Southern Europeans) it probably did play some role. The really disastrous decisions of the early 1970s and 1980s which enabled permanent Turkish settlement and large-scale family reunification were probably taken without much American involvement though (at least I’ve never heard something that would indicate otherwise).

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    as far as I know the US did exert some diplomatic pressure in the early 1960s on West Germany to take in Turkish “guest workers”.

    I did not know this, but it seems likely now that you have explained it.

    I guess Randal was right more often than I thought.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    The really disastrous decisions of the early 1970s and 1980s which enabled permanent Turkish settlement and large-scale family reunification were probably taken without much American involvement though...
     
    Apologies if you have explained this previously, but what exactly did Germany start doing different back then?

    Allowed the Turks with work visas to stay beyond expiration? Started giving them residency permits?
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  94. @German_reader

    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people
     
    Well, as Mitleser already wrote, martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars, and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well, I can't entirely explain it. It must be a confluence of several factors, e.g. feelings of shame over the Nazi crimes (which bizarrely enough seem to have only increased with the passage of time), the ideology of European integration adopted by west German elites, wealth-induced decadence, a certain childishness of German society and its political elites...one has to remember that 1945-1990 the two German states had only restricted sovereignty, and the habits learned during that time haven't disappeared, German political elites are unable to come up with anything more than hypermoralism and throwing money around.
    But as you wrote yourself, it's a general trend. Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).

    Thanks for the thoughtful comments. I had not considered the “childishness” of German society and its political elites, but considering the cult that has developed around “Mutti” Merkel, you certainly have a point here.

    martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars,

    Well, I am assuming the final “s” was a typo because as you know better than I, destruction of Germany occurred only during ww2 while ww1 left it essentially untouched (unless France where all the fighting occurred).

    and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.

    Why? Really I don’t get that. Can’t the point be made that Germany unified and got bellicose as a result of repeated French aggressions and acted at least in part in self-defense? The 30-year war, the French revolutionary wars, the Napoleonic wars of conquests and subsequent occupations, etc.: isn’t that the real cause of German bellicosity against its western neighbor?

    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well

    Indeed. Do you see this wish being as widespread amongst the youth, as amongst the boomer ruling age group?

    Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).

    France IMO never recovered from the 1789 revolution and more importantly the slaying of King Louis. The country has been deeply divided since. Britain is totally incomprehensible. Sweden I do not know much about.

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    Why? Really I don’t get that. Can’t the point be made that Germany unified and got bellicose as a result of repeated French aggressions and acted at least in part in self-defense? The 30-year war, the French revolutionary wars, the Napoleonic wars of conquests and subsequent occupations, etc.: isn’t that the real cause of German bellicosity against its western neighbor?
     
    German states as victims of external aggression isn't something that is emphasized in the dominant, "official" views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945. There's always a concern that talking about something like this could lead to a trivialization of German crimes or a resurgence of militant nationalism. Not that there isn't a certain desire for "revisionism" among the German public, e.g. Christopher Clark's Sleepwalkers book (which suggested that imperial Germany at least wasn't solely responsible for WW1) was a great success in Germany. But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn't just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.

    Do you see this wish being as widespread amongst the youth, as amongst the boomer ruling age group?
     
    No idea really, I don't really belong to the youth segment anymore and don't talk to that many people anyway. More to the point, people in Germany often try to avoid about talking politics since the societal climate has become really toxic in the last few years and the gulf between the different political camps nearly unbridgeable over the migration issue. I suspect that two (former?) acquaintances don't talk to me anymore since I probably shocked them with my right-wing views, and that seems to be typical. I've got one close female acquaintance (early 30s) who talks semi-regularly about politics with me and is quite critical of Merkel's policy, but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it's impossible to have a discussion with them.
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  95. MK says:
    @Rattus Norwegius
    I looked up Romania on wikipedia, where i found an article on the demographics of Romania. There i saw one group called "Lipovans". The Lipovans are a Russian Old Believer denomination centered mostly around the Danube delta. Lipovans also live in Ukraine, Moldova and Bulgaria.

    The wikipedia says that there are around 35 thousand Lipovans in Romania.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipovans
    On the other hand a Russky Mir artivle says that there are 105 thousand Lipovans in Romania
    https://russkiymir.ru/en/publications/186501/
    This article also mentions that the population estimate of Lipovans in Romania varies between 35-100 thousand.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/7571310/Saving-the-souls-of-Russias-exiled-Lipovans.html

    Later i saw that the numbers of gypsises in many countries varies wildly. Turkey, Slovakia and Ukraine have wildy different lowest and highest estimate of the Roma population. In Ukraine the population estimate of the number of Romas varies from 47 thousand to 400 thousand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

    I wonder if it is common in Eastern and Central European countries to exaggerate population sizes? Exxagerate as in claiming that some groups are either more or less numerical than their real numbers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2orn-fLZ0rE&index=144&list=PLfTrJjNuBvbbnxu92t8WS-_qIKIbbUIb0&t=0s

    Haha, I am old lurker and also an old believer(not from Romania). It was nice to find your post :)

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  96. Talha says:
    @Guillaume Tell

    Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.
     
    Yeah right. This is why Morocco is so famous amongst Francophone fags as the go-to place for easy sex with the locals. You're such a moronic pretentious prick.

    Pitching or receiving; it makes a difference.

    Do they do it openly? And flaunt it in public? Then you have your answer.

    Also…when was Morocco under Byzantine control exactly?

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    Let me shed some light on your ignorance:

    http://byzantinemilitary.blogspot.com/2012/10/byzantine-morocco.html?m=1
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  97. @iffen
    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people is now at the forefront of submission and wilful self-destruction.


    They were traumatized by WWII and the Nazis. I don't see them making a recovery.

    This is certainly a necessary part of the explanation. But I do not find it

    sufficient

    . That they accept to be traumatized as much I find incomprehensible. Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan? Do the Chinese feel guilty because of Mao? Evidently not.

    There must be something else playing out. I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.

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    Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan?

    I don’t know. Is there a Mongol country?

    Do the Chinese feel guilty because of Mao? Evidently not.

    Most of the people Mao killed were Chinese. Nazis directly killed some Germans, but most of the Germans that were killed were killed indirectly.

    “I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.”

    Now you are trying for humor.

    But for the Grace of God go many peoples.

    Just look at how many Jack-in-the Box Nazi vassal states sprang into existence after the Wehrmacht came through.

    , @Hyperborean

    Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan?
     
    Far from it, the Mongolians are very healthy, they celebrate the era when the Mongol race was of world-historical importance.

    Giant statue of Genghis Khan around 54 kilometres away from the capital:

    https://i2.wp.com/suchanicelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/P5300096.jpg

    I understand them; if I was Greek I would certainly build giant statue(s) to Alexander the Great.
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  98. @Guillaume Tell
    "illegal", like in "illegal to carry" -- or "illegal to own"? The latter would be scary indeed.

    Illegal to carry.

    Switch-blades however are illegal to own period. I believe this was linked to ’50s era hysteria about Puerto Rican gangs and teenage delinquents in the new suburbs. West Side Story and Rebel Without a Cause dramatize this.

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    This really intrigues me.

    Have you read that:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade#United_States
    Apparently the federal ban only applies to federal lands and similar places (like D.C. for example). But there are state laws too that may be stricter in this regard.

    Russia seems interesting: it appears to be mostly okay to carry a knife over there.

    That said blades are indeed potentially devastating weapons. In close quarters I would rather be equipped with a knife than a handgun.
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  99. iffen says:
    @German_reader
    Well, "forced" may be a bit too much, but as far as I know the US did exert some diplomatic pressure in the early 1960s on West Germany to take in Turkish "guest workers". It was linked to Cold war politics, Turkey was seen as an important NATO ally against the commies, so stabilizing its economy and linking it into supposedly mutually beneficial relationships with Western states seemed like a good idea.
    I don't know how important US pressure was, but since there were concerns on the German side right from the start (iirc originally they didn't want Turks, because the cultural differences were seen as too great, and would have preferred just to stick with Southern Europeans) it probably did play some role. The really disastrous decisions of the early 1970s and 1980s which enabled permanent Turkish settlement and large-scale family reunification were probably taken without much American involvement though (at least I've never heard something that would indicate otherwise).

    as far as I know the US did exert some diplomatic pressure in the early 1960s on West Germany to take in Turkish “guest workers”.

    I did not know this, but it seems likely now that you have explained it.

    I guess Randal was right more often than I thought.

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    Don't feel too bad about it though :-) American meddling definitely can't be blamed for everything, e.g. Germany's absolutely insane asylum system (which started being a problem already in the early 1980s) is something Germans did to themselves.
    Personally I regard American cultural influence in these matters as more problematic than any deliberate policy decisions by the US, I find it very irritating to see concepts like "white privilege" turn up in German media. But since white Americans are subjected to those pernicious trends themselves, it probably doesn't make much sense to blame the US in its entirety for that.
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  100. @Thorfinnsson
    Illegal to carry.

    Switch-blades however are illegal to own period. I believe this was linked to '50s era hysteria about Puerto Rican gangs and teenage delinquents in the new suburbs. West Side Story and Rebel Without a Cause dramatize this.

    This really intrigues me.

    Have you read that:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade#United_States

    Apparently the federal ban only applies to federal lands and similar places (like D.C. for example). But there are state laws too that may be stricter in this regard.

    Russia seems interesting: it appears to be mostly okay to carry a knife over there.

    That said blades are indeed potentially devastating weapons. In close quarters I would rather be equipped with a knife than a handgun.

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    Since the federal ban also applies to interstate commerce, you can't get switch blades unless you're in the armed forces or law enforcement. It's kind of a silly ban since you can buy daggers, swords, tactical tomahawks, and other extremely dangerous melee weapons.

    A knife beats a pistol if combat is joined at a distance under 20 feet. If you're carrying a knife for combat (I carry mine rather as a tool and a fashion accessory) then a fixed blade knife or a gravity knife are good choices.

    Most people are better off with defensive weapons which don't take training to use effectively and aren't regulated by the law. Tactical flashlights for instance.

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  101. @German_reader
    Probably mostly limited to the vibrant, but there was at least one case in which an uninvolved English woman was killed in such an attack:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/11/woman-died-after-being-splashed-with-acid-from-nearby-dispute

    Vibrants — the gift that keeps on giving, really.

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  102. iffen says:
    @Guillaume Tell
    This is certainly a necessary part of the explanation. But I do not find it

    sufficient
     
    . That they accept to be traumatized as much I find incomprehensible. Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan? Do the Chinese feel guilty because of Mao? Evidently not.

    There must be something else playing out. I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.

    Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan?

    I don’t know. Is there a Mongol country?

    Do the Chinese feel guilty because of Mao? Evidently not.

    Most of the people Mao killed were Chinese. Nazis directly killed some Germans, but most of the Germans that were killed were killed indirectly.

    “I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.”

    Now you are trying for humor.

    But for the Grace of God go many peoples.

    Just look at how many Jack-in-the Box Nazi vassal states sprang into existence after the Wehrmacht came through.

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    I don’t know. Is there a Mongol country?
     
    I believe its capital is called Ulan Bator :)

    Most of the people Mao killed were Chinese. Nazis directly killed some Germans, but most of the Germans that were killed were killed indirectly.
     
    Fair enough -- I am buying this point.


    “I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.”
     
    Now you are trying for humor.
     
    Yes I am, it is true that I was a bit ironic there, but my (serious) underlying point is that Northern Europeans appear to be especially prone to pathological altruism (the expression is not mine). This would be evidently a strong disadvantage from an evolutionary standpoint, which would then, according to theory, be purged out by selective pressure. Maybe this is what we are watching playing out in Germany (and Sweden too maybe?).
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  103. Mikhail says: • Website
    @for-the-record
    I noticed some noise in the Hungarian online press about alleged doping among Russian footballers.

    Russia’s team doctor has bristled at questions about doping checks at the World Cup, claiming the host side have been tested twice as often as England. The statement came in the wake of a report in The Daily Telegraph that found Russian players had covered more ground than any others during the tournament . . .

    Telegraph Sport found that Russia’s players have run further during their first two matches than any other team, 73 miles in their first game and 71 miles in their second . . .

    “Extraordinary performances demand additional tests,” Travis Tygart, the chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, told The Daily Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/06/22/russia-says-team-tested-two-times-england-amid-doping-questions/
     
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  104. @iffen
    Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan?

    I don’t know. Is there a Mongol country?

    Do the Chinese feel guilty because of Mao? Evidently not.

    Most of the people Mao killed were Chinese. Nazis directly killed some Germans, but most of the Germans that were killed were killed indirectly.

    “I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.”

    Now you are trying for humor.

    But for the Grace of God go many peoples.

    Just look at how many Jack-in-the Box Nazi vassal states sprang into existence after the Wehrmacht came through.

    I don’t know. Is there a Mongol country?

    I believe its capital is called Ulan Bator :)

    Most of the people Mao killed were Chinese. Nazis directly killed some Germans, but most of the Germans that were killed were killed indirectly.

    Fair enough — I am buying this point.

    “I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.”

    Now you are trying for humor.

    Yes I am, it is true that I was a bit ironic there, but my (serious) underlying point is that Northern Europeans appear to be especially prone to pathological altruism (the expression is not mine). This would be evidently a strong disadvantage from an evolutionary standpoint, which would then, according to theory, be purged out by selective pressure. Maybe this is what we are watching playing out in Germany (and Sweden too maybe?).

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    Northern Europeans appear to be especially prone to pathological altruism (the expression is not mine)

    I am familiar with the concept. If we make observations and give it a name we can do all sorts or stuff.

    Many people in Northern Europe, the US and other settler countries have identity fatigue. Many of us don’t want to fight over race, religion, ethnicity, tribe, etc., anymore. We only want to fight over political ideas.
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  105. @Guillaume Tell
    This really intrigues me.

    Have you read that:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade#United_States
    Apparently the federal ban only applies to federal lands and similar places (like D.C. for example). But there are state laws too that may be stricter in this regard.

    Russia seems interesting: it appears to be mostly okay to carry a knife over there.

    That said blades are indeed potentially devastating weapons. In close quarters I would rather be equipped with a knife than a handgun.

    Since the federal ban also applies to interstate commerce, you can’t get switch blades unless you’re in the armed forces or law enforcement. It’s kind of a silly ban since you can buy daggers, swords, tactical tomahawks, and other extremely dangerous melee weapons.

    A knife beats a pistol if combat is joined at a distance under 20 feet. If you’re carrying a knife for combat (I carry mine rather as a tool and a fashion accessory) then a fixed blade knife or a gravity knife are good choices.

    Most people are better off with defensive weapons which don’t take training to use effectively and aren’t regulated by the law. Tactical flashlights for instance.

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  106. @Dmitry

    Apparently some Russians are using Google Street View to see how people
    in neighboring countries live. Not surprisingly, their curiosity is focused on
    Poland.
     
    It's one complaining guy (called 'world citizen') who made a channel comparing every city in the world as a way to criticize Russian cities.

    He made hundreds of videos, going through every country in the world, he always says it's better than Russia. He focuses only on bad areas of Russian cities, and compares them with only good areas of foreign cities. It's not a reasonable comparison, but propaganda.

    No-one in Russia is envious or dreaming about immigrating to Poland. Just this one guy whose hobby is saying everywhere in the world is better than Russia, from Google Streetview.

    This guy even says that Ukrainian cities are better than Russian cities.

    Outside this guy's opinion, countries which people are really envious are ones which are actually have higher standards of living - Finland, Norway, Australia, Switzerland, etc.

    I’m old enough to remember Soviet countryside in Russia too. It wasn’t well kept and tidy as in my country- Lithuania. Now it’s even worse. Russians are very lazy, their countryside architecture is mongoloid, they drown in misery and alchoholism and they are ok to live like pigs. Same can be said about most of Ukrainians. Belorusians are hit and miss
    Poles are bit tidier and Lithuanian villages are now only becoming shitholes. Good example is Kaliningrad and how Russians turned it into shithole. I really like russian language and some culture aspects, but their mentality stinks of shit and they are literally niggers of eastern europ

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    Niggers than sent the first man into orbit? You must be some sort of humorist.
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  107. @iffen
    as far as I know the US did exert some diplomatic pressure in the early 1960s on West Germany to take in Turkish “guest workers”.

    I did not know this, but it seems likely now that you have explained it.

    I guess Randal was right more often than I thought.

    Don’t feel too bad about it though :-) American meddling definitely can’t be blamed for everything, e.g. Germany’s absolutely insane asylum system (which started being a problem already in the early 1980s) is something Germans did to themselves.
    Personally I regard American cultural influence in these matters as more problematic than any deliberate policy decisions by the US, I find it very irritating to see concepts like “white privilege” turn up in German media. But since white Americans are subjected to those pernicious trends themselves, it probably doesn’t make much sense to blame the US in its entirety for that.

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    Germany’s absolutely insane asylum system (which started being a problem already in the early 1980s) is something Germans did to themselves.
     
    Can you please elaborate on that? I am genuinely interested.

    We have German acquaintances who got in trouble for trying to homeschool their kids. They ended up moving to the US. I vaguely remember that some case of mental incapacity was tentatively mounted against them by the Jugendamt.

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  108. @Lithuanian
    I'm old enough to remember Soviet countryside in Russia too. It wasn't well kept and tidy as in my country- Lithuania. Now it's even worse. Russians are very lazy, their countryside architecture is mongoloid, they drown in misery and alchoholism and they are ok to live like pigs. Same can be said about most of Ukrainians. Belorusians are hit and miss
    Poles are bit tidier and Lithuanian villages are now only becoming shitholes. Good example is Kaliningrad and how Russians turned it into shithole. I really like russian language and some culture aspects, but their mentality stinks of shit and they are literally niggers of eastern europ

    Niggers than sent the first man into orbit? You must be some sort of humorist.

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    Nah, Russians are quite amazing. Served in military with them. Boxed with them, married one. (-snap- yep this is going in my gene pool)
    But there's something that pisses me off and I hope russians can help me translate this in to English. It's похуисм. One can be briliant scientist, yet live amongst drunkards covered in feces and also be proud of it..
    My real gripe with russians is that they are lazy, overemotional and not methodical. It's mentality issue that has to be fixed if Russia wants bright future.
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  109. Talha says:
    @iffen
    Seems the only ones to escape the poz are the Muslim territories.


    Don't celebrate too much Talha, when the SJWs acquire total control this is gonna look bad. Bad, as in, "let's turn the U. S. rainbow army loose.":)

    It begins…

    http://www.businessinsider.com/meet-kristin-beck-2017-7

    Gives “tip of the spear” a slightly different meaning…

    Peace.

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  110. @German_reader
    Don't feel too bad about it though :-) American meddling definitely can't be blamed for everything, e.g. Germany's absolutely insane asylum system (which started being a problem already in the early 1980s) is something Germans did to themselves.
    Personally I regard American cultural influence in these matters as more problematic than any deliberate policy decisions by the US, I find it very irritating to see concepts like "white privilege" turn up in German media. But since white Americans are subjected to those pernicious trends themselves, it probably doesn't make much sense to blame the US in its entirety for that.

    Germany’s absolutely insane asylum system (which started being a problem already in the early 1980s) is something Germans did to themselves.

    Can you please elaborate on that? I am genuinely interested.

    We have German acquaintances who got in trouble for trying to homeschool their kids. They ended up moving to the US. I vaguely remember that some case of mental incapacity was tentatively mounted against them by the Jugendamt.

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    German home schoolers have a right to political asylum in America: https://abcnews.go.com/US/home-schooling-german-family-allowed-stay-us/story?id=22788876

    More refugees like the Romeikes, please.

    I found this fact in the article interesting:


    The devoutly Christian Romeike family fled to the United States in 2008 from southwest Germany after the German government threatened them with legal action for homeschooling their children, which has been banned in Germany since 1918.
     
    This suggests home schooling was banned by the November Criminals as one of their very first acts.

    The man now makes a living teaching piano: http://www.uweromeike.webs.com/

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  111. @Guillaume Tell
    Niggers than sent the first man into orbit? You must be some sort of humorist.

    Nah, Russians are quite amazing. Served in military with them. Boxed with them, married one. (-snap- yep this is going in my gene pool)
    But there’s something that pisses me off and I hope russians can help me translate this in to English. It’s похуисм. One can be briliant scientist, yet live amongst drunkards covered in feces and also be proud of it..
    My real gripe with russians is that they are lazy, overemotional and not methodical. It’s mentality issue that has to be fixed if Russia wants bright future.

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    There's some truth to that.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/translation-a-hell-of-their-own-making/

    One general note I would make is that Russia is a big country, and there are many gradations even within Russians. E.g. even in 2003, Yaroslavl - the region outside Moscow and the millioniki that I am most impressed with - was already a clean, flourishing city that had left behind its sovok past (indeed, c.1914, it was the most literate Russian region after SPB and Moscow, and had the highest % of peasants with savings accounts). Conversely, Volokolamsk c.2017 is still a dump with extremely corrupt local politicians and a literal garbage apocalypse - and unlike, say, Chechnya, it doesn't get much in the way of gibs from the federal center.
    , @Guillaume Tell
    I am sorry but I don't understand you. How do you reconcile your comment #106:

    they are literally niggers of eastern europ [sic]
     
    with your comment #111:

    married one
     
    Am I to understand that you willfully chose to spend you life with a Nigger-of-sorts?

    Really I am puzzled. Something must give.
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  112. @Guillaume Tell

    Germany’s absolutely insane asylum system (which started being a problem already in the early 1980s) is something Germans did to themselves.
     
    Can you please elaborate on that? I am genuinely interested.

    We have German acquaintances who got in trouble for trying to homeschool their kids. They ended up moving to the US. I vaguely remember that some case of mental incapacity was tentatively mounted against them by the Jugendamt.

    German home schoolers have a right to political asylum in America: https://abcnews.go.com/US/home-schooling-german-family-allowed-stay-us/story?id=22788876

    More refugees like the Romeikes, please.

    I found this fact in the article interesting:

    The devoutly Christian Romeike family fled to the United States in 2008 from southwest Germany after the German government threatened them with legal action for homeschooling their children, which has been banned in Germany since 1918.

    This suggests home schooling was banned by the November Criminals as one of their very first acts.

    The man now makes a living teaching piano: http://www.uweromeike.webs.com/

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    Yes, I am familiar with the Romeikes' story. It's interesting how Germany has remained totalitarian in some respects. Liberal totalitarianism that is.

    This is related to your own assessment of Sweden, where you predict that their natural fanaticism will lead them to become extreme far-right 20 years from now. I certainly hope that your prediction is correct: last time I went to Sweden was in the early 90s and I loved it: clean, friendly, polite, well organized, etc. From what I understand of it now, it is quite different since the vibrants have socially, culturally, and otherwise enriched it.

    Regarding the switchblades, these arcane rules are proof that modern governments are not interested in protecting the innocent victims in general. The potential existence of concealed weapons are great equalizers which leave every predator in a state of uncertainty regarding how a tentative prey could inflict severe harm unto him.

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  113. iffen says:
    @Guillaume Tell

    I don’t know. Is there a Mongol country?
     
    I believe its capital is called Ulan Bator :)

    Most of the people Mao killed were Chinese. Nazis directly killed some Germans, but most of the Germans that were killed were killed indirectly.
     
    Fair enough -- I am buying this point.


    “I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.”
     
    Now you are trying for humor.
     
    Yes I am, it is true that I was a bit ironic there, but my (serious) underlying point is that Northern Europeans appear to be especially prone to pathological altruism (the expression is not mine). This would be evidently a strong disadvantage from an evolutionary standpoint, which would then, according to theory, be purged out by selective pressure. Maybe this is what we are watching playing out in Germany (and Sweden too maybe?).

    Northern Europeans appear to be especially prone to pathological altruism (the expression is not mine)

    I am familiar with the concept. If we make observations and give it a name we can do all sorts or stuff.

    Many people in Northern Europe, the US and other settler countries have identity fatigue. Many of us don’t want to fight over race, religion, ethnicity, tribe, etc., anymore. We only want to fight over political ideas.

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    Fighting over political ideas is much easier because it does not involve one's own actions (talking is cheap). Leftists proclaim a generic love for "humanity" which is an abstraction but typically fail to father and raise a large family. In fairness many right-wing types are also total losers in this regard.

    The fatigue that you are mentioning, if it indeed exists and is really widespread, must be explicable in terms of genotype expression under the current environmental pressures. An explanation I find plausible is that of an evolutionary bottleneck through which R1b peoples are going as we speak.
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  114. @Guillaume Tell
    Thanks for the thoughtful comments. I had not considered the "childishness" of German society and its political elites, but considering the cult that has developed around "Mutti" Merkel, you certainly have a point here.

    martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars,
     
    Well, I am assuming the final "s" was a typo because as you know better than I, destruction of Germany occurred only during ww2 while ww1 left it essentially untouched (unless France where all the fighting occurred).

    and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
     
    Why? Really I don't get that. Can't the point be made that Germany unified and got bellicose as a result of repeated French aggressions and acted at least in part in self-defense? The 30-year war, the French revolutionary wars, the Napoleonic wars of conquests and subsequent occupations, etc.: isn't that the real cause of German bellicosity against its western neighbor?

    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well
     
    Indeed. Do you see this wish being as widespread amongst the youth, as amongst the boomer ruling age group?

    Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).
     
    France IMO never recovered from the 1789 revolution and more importantly the slaying of King Louis. The country has been deeply divided since. Britain is totally incomprehensible. Sweden I do not know much about.

    Why? Really I don’t get that. Can’t the point be made that Germany unified and got bellicose as a result of repeated French aggressions and acted at least in part in self-defense? The 30-year war, the French revolutionary wars, the Napoleonic wars of conquests and subsequent occupations, etc.: isn’t that the real cause of German bellicosity against its western neighbor?

    German states as victims of external aggression isn’t something that is emphasized in the dominant, “official” views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945. There’s always a concern that talking about something like this could lead to a trivialization of German crimes or a resurgence of militant nationalism. Not that there isn’t a certain desire for “revisionism” among the German public, e.g. Christopher Clark’s Sleepwalkers book (which suggested that imperial Germany at least wasn’t solely responsible for WW1) was a great success in Germany. But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn’t just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.

    Do you see this wish being as widespread amongst the youth, as amongst the boomer ruling age group?

    No idea really, I don’t really belong to the youth segment anymore and don’t talk to that many people anyway. More to the point, people in Germany often try to avoid about talking politics since the societal climate has become really toxic in the last few years and the gulf between the different political camps nearly unbridgeable over the migration issue. I suspect that two (former?) acquaintances don’t talk to me anymore since I probably shocked them with my right-wing views, and that seems to be typical. I’ve got one close female acquaintance (early 30s) who talks semi-regularly about politics with me and is quite critical of Merkel’s policy, but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it’s impossible to have a discussion with them.

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    German states as victims of external aggression isn’t something that is emphasized in the dominant, “official” views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945.
     
    Yes and this "official" view cannot tolerate being challenged as it would quickly collapse. Can you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?

    But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn’t just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.
     
    Which arguably is the prime motivator for any political regime to fund official historians. In the contemporary Western/liberal world, this role is fulfilled by the academe.

    Christopher Clark’s Sleepwalkers book was a great success in Germany.
     
    I am happy to read that. Thank you.

    but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it’s impossible to have a discussion with them.
     
    Couldn't there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex? Which would go back to my theory about some sort of negative selective pressure playing out here.
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  115. @German_reader
    Probably mostly limited to the vibrant, but there was at least one case in which an uninvolved English woman was killed in such an attack:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/11/woman-died-after-being-splashed-with-acid-from-nearby-dispute

    Xeneral Webster

    Don’t even have to type the name into Google to know its a Negro.

    Incidentally, splashing acid into people’s faces to distract them while the thieves steal their cell phone has become a popular crime in London.

    The Russian Anglo-worshipping liberal cucks whom I tell this to tend to react with studied disbelief.

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  116. iffen says:

    their cell phone has become a popular crime in London.

    I think I can speak for most, (not all), of your commenters and say that we are certainly glad that you lost your electronics without this horrendous tactic being used.

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    we are certainly glad that you lost your electronics without this horrendous tactic being used.

    Fortunately when my son got his cell phone stolen a few years agoc he was only mugged and slightly scarred. And of course when they found out it was an old tech phone they left it behind.
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  117. @German_reader
    Well, "forced" may be a bit too much, but as far as I know the US did exert some diplomatic pressure in the early 1960s on West Germany to take in Turkish "guest workers". It was linked to Cold war politics, Turkey was seen as an important NATO ally against the commies, so stabilizing its economy and linking it into supposedly mutually beneficial relationships with Western states seemed like a good idea.
    I don't know how important US pressure was, but since there were concerns on the German side right from the start (iirc originally they didn't want Turks, because the cultural differences were seen as too great, and would have preferred just to stick with Southern Europeans) it probably did play some role. The really disastrous decisions of the early 1970s and 1980s which enabled permanent Turkish settlement and large-scale family reunification were probably taken without much American involvement though (at least I've never heard something that would indicate otherwise).

    The really disastrous decisions of the early 1970s and 1980s which enabled permanent Turkish settlement and large-scale family reunification were probably taken without much American involvement though…

    Apologies if you have explained this previously, but what exactly did Germany start doing different back then?

    Allowed the Turks with work visas to stay beyond expiration? Started giving them residency permits?

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    I'm hardly an expert on these matters (I find it kind of depressing to read about them tbh), but as I understand it the process was roughly like this:
    - 1st mistake was to extend the work term limits of Turkish "guest workers"; if I understand correctly, it was originally intended that they could only stay for two years and would then be replaced by new workers from Turkey. German industry lobbied against this since they didn't want the hassle of having to train new workers every few years, so this requirement was dropped (according to German Wikipedia already in 1964, I thought it had been later). As a consequence of this some family reunification was also allowed.
    - The next important watershed was 1973 when the German government stopped all further hiring of guest workers. This had the paradoxical effect though of actually increasing Turkish immigration through family reunification, since many Turks were determined to stay in Germany and wanted to bring their families because they were afraid that would soon no longer be possible. There was no concerted attempt to prevent this, in fact it was handled so liberally that numbers of Turks in Germany rose from an estimated 500 000-750 000 in 1973 to 1,5 million at the start of the 1980s.
    - Helmut Kohl tried to induce Turks to remigrate back to Turkey in 1983/84, but this was largely unsuccesful, since life in Germany was obviously more attractive; so the number of Turks actually increased under Kohl due to family reunification, and also due to the granting of asylum.

    I guess you're asking because of the situation with central Asians in Russia, so the lesson is: try to rotate them out of the country after a fixed term of years, and don't ever let them bring their families.
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  118. @Lithuanian
    Nah, Russians are quite amazing. Served in military with them. Boxed with them, married one. (-snap- yep this is going in my gene pool)
    But there's something that pisses me off and I hope russians can help me translate this in to English. It's похуисм. One can be briliant scientist, yet live amongst drunkards covered in feces and also be proud of it..
    My real gripe with russians is that they are lazy, overemotional and not methodical. It's mentality issue that has to be fixed if Russia wants bright future.

    There’s some truth to that.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/translation-a-hell-of-their-own-making/

    One general note I would make is that Russia is a big country, and there are many gradations even within Russians. E.g. even in 2003, Yaroslavl – the region outside Moscow and the millioniki that I am most impressed with – was already a clean, flourishing city that had left behind its sovok past (indeed, c.1914, it was the most literate Russian region after SPB and Moscow, and had the highest % of peasants with savings accounts). Conversely, Volokolamsk c.2017 is still a dump with extremely corrupt local politicians and a literal garbage apocalypse – and unlike, say, Chechnya, it doesn’t get much in the way of gibs from the federal center.

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    and unlike, say, Chechnya, it doesn’t get much in the way of gibs from the federal center.
     
    How would you assess the perception of Chechnya as an insufferable deadweight within ethnic Russians (as opposed to "administrative" Russians), by age group? I understand that the criminal code prevents an open debate on this question.

    I am currently convinced that it was the right thing to do to prevent Chechnya from becoming independent in the 1990s, because at that time what mattered was to prevent a complete disintegration of the Russian SFSR; but that today Russia should unilaterally grant independence to Chechnya and expel all Chechens to their newly-independent homeland. What do you think?
    , @Dmitry
    There are things like economic or academic indicators, which are important on an underlying causal level and people need to worry about.

    Other things, like how much garbage people throw on streets, or whether drunks are pissing on doors of apartment buildings - it is unpleasant but only e.g. for residents of a particular building.

    Corrupt mayors and governors are rather a rule, rather than the exception - but if e.g. the economy was building a strong hi tech economy, or excelling in sciences, then it could survive all the corrupt mayors in the world, and will one day in the future, even, build robots to clean up any garbage people throw.

    There's also a kind of Western petite bourgeois attitude of people like the Steve Sailor blog, where they think that cleanness of streets, or how the lawn of the golf course is cut, is a sign of civilization.

    How do such "clean" Americans imagine the garbage situation was of London of Shakespeare, or Florence of Renaissance, or Athens of Aristophanes?

    , @Lithuanian
    Thanks for a good read Anatoly.
    I think I will dig up your archives as I'm fairly new reader of yours.
    I didn't mean to insert racial undertones as I was rather attacking late sovok mentality that still lingers in some parts of my country as well.
    I can only think of it as post-soviet problem as there's nothing wrong with Russian genetics.
    Sorry for offtopic, but I've seen few posts about Old Believers and I hope to slip some personal insights about these people as I do have family ties with this community.
    In my opinion that I formed reading old Russian literature that Russian Old Believers (Староверы) are closer representation of what Russians peasants would be without communism ghost haunting them.
    The ones I used to know were hard working and ascetic. Their blue, yellow, green dominated villages looked picturesque, tidy and well kept even if population was ageing. Old Believers work ethic could put any German to shame. What made me fond of them is that they still managed to preserve archaic Russian in their every day language, names and prayers while still being very successful in any country they were in. (((Big unkept beard tribe))) were quite good merchants and intellectuals too, ironically enough it was Soviet Union and not Tsarist Russian Empire that pretty much put an end to them directly and indirectly by destroying Russian countryside.
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  119. @Thorfinnsson
    German home schoolers have a right to political asylum in America: https://abcnews.go.com/US/home-schooling-german-family-allowed-stay-us/story?id=22788876

    More refugees like the Romeikes, please.

    I found this fact in the article interesting:


    The devoutly Christian Romeike family fled to the United States in 2008 from southwest Germany after the German government threatened them with legal action for homeschooling their children, which has been banned in Germany since 1918.
     
    This suggests home schooling was banned by the November Criminals as one of their very first acts.

    The man now makes a living teaching piano: http://www.uweromeike.webs.com/

    Yes, I am familiar with the Romeikes’ story. It’s interesting how Germany has remained totalitarian in some respects. Liberal totalitarianism that is.

    This is related to your own assessment of Sweden, where you predict that their natural fanaticism will lead them to become extreme far-right 20 years from now. I certainly hope that your prediction is correct: last time I went to Sweden was in the early 90s and I loved it: clean, friendly, polite, well organized, etc. From what I understand of it now, it is quite different since the vibrants have socially, culturally, and otherwise enriched it.

    Regarding the switchblades, these arcane rules are proof that modern governments are not interested in protecting the innocent victims in general. The potential existence of concealed weapons are great equalizers which leave every predator in a state of uncertainty regarding how a tentative prey could inflict severe harm unto him.

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    The situation is pretty comparable to Germany. A mistaken decision to accept guest workers in the 60s owing to the booming postwar economy--known in Sweden as Rekordåren (the Record Years), which Tage Erlander only agreed to with great reluctance. The guest workers came from Italy, Yugoslavia, and Greece. They didn't leave.

    Erlander was replaced by Olaf Palme, who officially instituted multiculturalism as state policy.

    Things start to get notably bad in this century after America smashed open "the Gates of Hell" (to use Saddam's language). Before then even most taxi drivers in Stockholm were actual ethnic Swedes.

    Malmo may as well now be Mogadishu and frequently suffers from hand grenade attacks. Wikipedia even has an article for hand grenade attacks in Sweden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

    Generation Zyklon in Sweden is very based, and many are members of a group called the Nordic Resistance.
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  120. @German_reader

    Why? Really I don’t get that. Can’t the point be made that Germany unified and got bellicose as a result of repeated French aggressions and acted at least in part in self-defense? The 30-year war, the French revolutionary wars, the Napoleonic wars of conquests and subsequent occupations, etc.: isn’t that the real cause of German bellicosity against its western neighbor?
     
    German states as victims of external aggression isn't something that is emphasized in the dominant, "official" views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945. There's always a concern that talking about something like this could lead to a trivialization of German crimes or a resurgence of militant nationalism. Not that there isn't a certain desire for "revisionism" among the German public, e.g. Christopher Clark's Sleepwalkers book (which suggested that imperial Germany at least wasn't solely responsible for WW1) was a great success in Germany. But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn't just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.

    Do you see this wish being as widespread amongst the youth, as amongst the boomer ruling age group?
     
    No idea really, I don't really belong to the youth segment anymore and don't talk to that many people anyway. More to the point, people in Germany often try to avoid about talking politics since the societal climate has become really toxic in the last few years and the gulf between the different political camps nearly unbridgeable over the migration issue. I suspect that two (former?) acquaintances don't talk to me anymore since I probably shocked them with my right-wing views, and that seems to be typical. I've got one close female acquaintance (early 30s) who talks semi-regularly about politics with me and is quite critical of Merkel's policy, but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it's impossible to have a discussion with them.

    German states as victims of external aggression isn’t something that is emphasized in the dominant, “official” views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945.

    Yes and this “official” view cannot tolerate being challenged as it would quickly collapse. Can you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?

    But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn’t just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.

    Which arguably is the prime motivator for any political regime to fund official historians. In the contemporary Western/liberal world, this role is fulfilled by the academe.

    Christopher Clark’s Sleepwalkers book was a great success in Germany.

    I am happy to read that. Thank you.

    but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it’s impossible to have a discussion with them.

    Couldn’t there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex? Which would go back to my theory about some sort of negative selective pressure playing out here.

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    Couldn’t there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex?
     
    That seems far-fetched to me.
    A more likely explanation might be self-interest. One of my (probably former) acquaintances told me back in January 2016 how she could imagine working in refugee management. She clearly regarded the refugee influx as a potential chance for her own career advancement (iirc her mother was some kind of sociologist who had worked in projects with migrants...I guess with that kind of family background such ideas come naturally).
    , @German_reader
    C

    an you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?
     
    Sorry, that was a misunderstanding, I meant to refer to the right of asylum guaranteed in Germany's basic law. I know nothing about asylums in the sense of institutions for the mentally ill.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    There's definitely a sexual aspect to it. Women want nothing more than to be taken by a powerful man.

    Most Western men might as well be sexless eunuchs.
    , @Rosie

    Couldn’t there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex?
     
    There could be, and there could also be a monster under my bed.

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/12/germans-attitudes-immigration-harden-following-col/
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  121. @Anatoly Karlin

    The really disastrous decisions of the early 1970s and 1980s which enabled permanent Turkish settlement and large-scale family reunification were probably taken without much American involvement though...
     
    Apologies if you have explained this previously, but what exactly did Germany start doing different back then?

    Allowed the Turks with work visas to stay beyond expiration? Started giving them residency permits?

    I’m hardly an expert on these matters (I find it kind of depressing to read about them tbh), but as I understand it the process was roughly like this:
    - 1st mistake was to extend the work term limits of Turkish “guest workers”; if I understand correctly, it was originally intended that they could only stay for two years and would then be replaced by new workers from Turkey. German industry lobbied against this since they didn’t want the hassle of having to train new workers every few years, so this requirement was dropped (according to German Wikipedia already in 1964, I thought it had been later). As a consequence of this some family reunification was also allowed.
    - The next important watershed was 1973 when the German government stopped all further hiring of guest workers. This had the paradoxical effect though of actually increasing Turkish immigration through family reunification, since many Turks were determined to stay in Germany and wanted to bring their families because they were afraid that would soon no longer be possible. There was no concerted attempt to prevent this, in fact it was handled so liberally that numbers of Turks in Germany rose from an estimated 500 000-750 000 in 1973 to 1,5 million at the start of the 1980s.
    - Helmut Kohl tried to induce Turks to remigrate back to Turkey in 1983/84, but this was largely unsuccesful, since life in Germany was obviously more attractive; so the number of Turks actually increased under Kohl due to family reunification, and also due to the granting of asylum.

    I guess you’re asking because of the situation with central Asians in Russia, so the lesson is: try to rotate them out of the country after a fixed term of years, and don’t ever let them bring their families.

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  122. @Anatoly Karlin
    There's some truth to that.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/translation-a-hell-of-their-own-making/

    One general note I would make is that Russia is a big country, and there are many gradations even within Russians. E.g. even in 2003, Yaroslavl - the region outside Moscow and the millioniki that I am most impressed with - was already a clean, flourishing city that had left behind its sovok past (indeed, c.1914, it was the most literate Russian region after SPB and Moscow, and had the highest % of peasants with savings accounts). Conversely, Volokolamsk c.2017 is still a dump with extremely corrupt local politicians and a literal garbage apocalypse - and unlike, say, Chechnya, it doesn't get much in the way of gibs from the federal center.

    and unlike, say, Chechnya, it doesn’t get much in the way of gibs from the federal center.

    How would you assess the perception of Chechnya as an insufferable deadweight within ethnic Russians (as opposed to “administrative” Russians), by age group? I understand that the criminal code prevents an open debate on this question.

    I am currently convinced that it was the right thing to do to prevent Chechnya from becoming independent in the 1990s, because at that time what mattered was to prevent a complete disintegration of the Russian SFSR; but that today Russia should unilaterally grant independence to Chechnya and expel all Chechens to their newly-independent homeland. What do you think?

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    I am currently convinced that it was the right thing to do to prevent Chechnya from becoming independent in the 1990s, because at that time what mattered was to prevent a complete disintegration of the Russian SFSR; but that today Russia should unilaterally grant independence to Chechnya and expel all Chechens to their newly-independent homeland.
     
    Chechnya was de facto independent in the 1990s, the Russian Federation did not fall apart.
    On the other hand, it was destabilizing the region and you would get this problem back if you would kick them out.
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  123. @Lithuanian
    Nah, Russians are quite amazing. Served in military with them. Boxed with them, married one. (-snap- yep this is going in my gene pool)
    But there's something that pisses me off and I hope russians can help me translate this in to English. It's похуисм. One can be briliant scientist, yet live amongst drunkards covered in feces and also be proud of it..
    My real gripe with russians is that they are lazy, overemotional and not methodical. It's mentality issue that has to be fixed if Russia wants bright future.

    I am sorry but I don’t understand you. How do you reconcile your comment #106:

    they are literally niggers of eastern europ [sic]

    with your comment #111:

    married one

    Am I to understand that you willfully chose to spend you life with a Nigger-of-sorts?

    Really I am puzzled. Something must give.

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    Excuse me, I was being niggerly myself by letting my emotions dictate me.
    Also, English language is not my forte and I find expressing myself in English very hard. (Thus, a lurker - not a poster)
    By using a racial slur I meant to target mentality, not genetics. I should've used fairy tale Иван-дурак archetype as an example.

    I am happily married to a Russian woman that comes from amazing personal background. I am happy to teach my children Russian and Lithuanian and I do hope one day they will teach me proper English.
    But I still stand by my comments that Russian countryside is absolutely run down. I suggest you visit Kaliningrad as I hardly know a place where I haven't been in there.

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  124. @Guillaume Tell

    German states as victims of external aggression isn’t something that is emphasized in the dominant, “official” views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945.
     
    Yes and this "official" view cannot tolerate being challenged as it would quickly collapse. Can you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?

    But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn’t just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.
     
    Which arguably is the prime motivator for any political regime to fund official historians. In the contemporary Western/liberal world, this role is fulfilled by the academe.

    Christopher Clark’s Sleepwalkers book was a great success in Germany.
     
    I am happy to read that. Thank you.

    but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it’s impossible to have a discussion with them.
     
    Couldn't there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex? Which would go back to my theory about some sort of negative selective pressure playing out here.

    Couldn’t there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex?

    That seems far-fetched to me.
    A more likely explanation might be self-interest. One of my (probably former) acquaintances told me back in January 2016 how she could imagine working in refugee management. She clearly regarded the refugee influx as a potential chance for her own career advancement (iirc her mother was some kind of sociologist who had worked in projects with migrants…I guess with that kind of family background such ideas come naturally).

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    Leftists are good at combining feel-good virtue signaling with money-making and career advancement.

    I was recently watching a debate (in French unfortunately) where Daniel Cohn-Bendit (who still has German citizenship iirc) was invited. This scumbag is the epitome of this combination and he is stricto sensu disgusting and repulsive.

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  125. @Guillaume Tell

    German states as victims of external aggression isn’t something that is emphasized in the dominant, “official” views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945.
     
    Yes and this "official" view cannot tolerate being challenged as it would quickly collapse. Can you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?

    But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn’t just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.
     
    Which arguably is the prime motivator for any political regime to fund official historians. In the contemporary Western/liberal world, this role is fulfilled by the academe.

    Christopher Clark’s Sleepwalkers book was a great success in Germany.
     
    I am happy to read that. Thank you.

    but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it’s impossible to have a discussion with them.
     
    Couldn't there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex? Which would go back to my theory about some sort of negative selective pressure playing out here.

    C

    an you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?

    Sorry, that was a misunderstanding, I meant to refer to the right of asylum guaranteed in Germany’s basic law. I know nothing about asylums in the sense of institutions for the mentally ill.

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    Ah sorry, my bad. I thought that the Federal Republic had recycled the soviet-style psychiatrization of dissent.
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  126. @iffen
    Northern Europeans appear to be especially prone to pathological altruism (the expression is not mine)

    I am familiar with the concept. If we make observations and give it a name we can do all sorts or stuff.

    Many people in Northern Europe, the US and other settler countries have identity fatigue. Many of us don’t want to fight over race, religion, ethnicity, tribe, etc., anymore. We only want to fight over political ideas.

    Fighting over political ideas is much easier because it does not involve one’s own actions (talking is cheap). Leftists proclaim a generic love for “humanity” which is an abstraction but typically fail to father and raise a large family. In fairness many right-wing types are also total losers in this regard.

    The fatigue that you are mentioning, if it indeed exists and is really widespread, must be explicable in terms of genotype expression under the current environmental pressures. An explanation I find plausible is that of an evolutionary bottleneck through which R1b peoples are going as we speak.

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    Fighting over political ideas is much easier


    No, you are wrong. It is much more complicated and exciting. Identification by religion or ethnicity is relatively simple and straighforward. The question of whether Thor is an enemy or a friend is ongoing as we comment.
    , @iffen
    Leftists proclaim a generic love for “humanity” which is an abstraction

    This is why they are winning. The opposition cannot cohere because much of the opposition is libertarian/individualistic.

    Groups win against individuals.
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  127. @German_reader
    C

    an you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?
     
    Sorry, that was a misunderstanding, I meant to refer to the right of asylum guaranteed in Germany's basic law. I know nothing about asylums in the sense of institutions for the mentally ill.

    Ah sorry, my bad. I thought that the Federal Republic had recycled the soviet-style psychiatrization of dissent.

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  128. @Guillaume Tell
    Yes, I am familiar with the Romeikes' story. It's interesting how Germany has remained totalitarian in some respects. Liberal totalitarianism that is.

    This is related to your own assessment of Sweden, where you predict that their natural fanaticism will lead them to become extreme far-right 20 years from now. I certainly hope that your prediction is correct: last time I went to Sweden was in the early 90s and I loved it: clean, friendly, polite, well organized, etc. From what I understand of it now, it is quite different since the vibrants have socially, culturally, and otherwise enriched it.

    Regarding the switchblades, these arcane rules are proof that modern governments are not interested in protecting the innocent victims in general. The potential existence of concealed weapons are great equalizers which leave every predator in a state of uncertainty regarding how a tentative prey could inflict severe harm unto him.

    The situation is pretty comparable to Germany. A mistaken decision to accept guest workers in the 60s owing to the booming postwar economy–known in Sweden as Rekordåren (the Record Years), which Tage Erlander only agreed to with great reluctance. The guest workers came from Italy, Yugoslavia, and Greece. They didn’t leave.

    Erlander was replaced by Olaf Palme, who officially instituted multiculturalism as state policy.

    Things start to get notably bad in this century after America smashed open “the Gates of Hell” (to use Saddam’s language). Before then even most taxi drivers in Stockholm were actual ethnic Swedes.

    Malmo may as well now be Mogadishu and frequently suffers from hand grenade attacks. Wikipedia even has an article for hand grenade attacks in Sweden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

    Generation Zyklon in Sweden is very based, and many are members of a group called the Nordic Resistance.

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  129. @German_reader

    Couldn’t there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex?
     
    That seems far-fetched to me.
    A more likely explanation might be self-interest. One of my (probably former) acquaintances told me back in January 2016 how she could imagine working in refugee management. She clearly regarded the refugee influx as a potential chance for her own career advancement (iirc her mother was some kind of sociologist who had worked in projects with migrants...I guess with that kind of family background such ideas come naturally).

    Leftists are good at combining feel-good virtue signaling with money-making and career advancement.

    I was recently watching a debate (in French unfortunately) where Daniel Cohn-Bendit (who still has German citizenship iirc) was invited. This scumbag is the epitome of this combination and he is stricto sensu disgusting and repulsive.

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  130. @Guillaume Tell

    German states as victims of external aggression isn’t something that is emphasized in the dominant, “official” views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945.
     
    Yes and this "official" view cannot tolerate being challenged as it would quickly collapse. Can you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?

    But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn’t just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.
     
    Which arguably is the prime motivator for any political regime to fund official historians. In the contemporary Western/liberal world, this role is fulfilled by the academe.

    Christopher Clark’s Sleepwalkers book was a great success in Germany.
     
    I am happy to read that. Thank you.

    but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it’s impossible to have a discussion with them.
     
    Couldn't there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex? Which would go back to my theory about some sort of negative selective pressure playing out here.

    There’s definitely a sexual aspect to it. Women want nothing more than to be taken by a powerful man.

    Most Western men might as well be sexless eunuchs.

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  131. Olaf Palme, who officially instituted multiculturalism as state policy.

    Why did he do that?
    iirc the evil Labour party in Britain had something like multiculturalism in its manifesto already back in the early 1960s, and it’s of course well known that Trudeau senior introduced multiculturalism in Canada. But Britain was the former centre of a empire, and Canada was already bicultural, so there was at least some discernible background to those policies (even if they were still absolutely idiotic and disastrous). But how could one get the idea to introduce multiculturalism into Sweden?

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    Palme considered himself multicultural because his mother was a Baltic German, and he kept a Jewish adviser.

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.
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  132. iffen says:
    @Guillaume Tell
    Fighting over political ideas is much easier because it does not involve one's own actions (talking is cheap). Leftists proclaim a generic love for "humanity" which is an abstraction but typically fail to father and raise a large family. In fairness many right-wing types are also total losers in this regard.

    The fatigue that you are mentioning, if it indeed exists and is really widespread, must be explicable in terms of genotype expression under the current environmental pressures. An explanation I find plausible is that of an evolutionary bottleneck through which R1b peoples are going as we speak.

    Fighting over political ideas is much easier

    No, you are wrong. It is much more complicated and exciting. Identification by religion or ethnicity is relatively simple and straighforward. The question of whether Thor is an enemy or a friend is ongoing as we comment.

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  133. @reiner Tor

    Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack.
     
    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR. Hungarians fought because they were afraid that if they didn’t join, the Germans would roll back all the territorial gains they made in the previous few years. They were also hoping to maybe gain some more, but explicitly weren’t interested in any areas of the USSR or Poland or any country or area not belonging to the Hungarian crown in 1900. Slovakia and Croatia were hoping to keep their independence, and either were hoping for territorial expansion or hoping to keep what they had.

    The soldiers weren’t very enthusiastic to fight deep inside of Russia in any of these countries, and they were hoping for the USSR to just collapse or the Germans to fight it out.

    Croatian volunteers were very enthusiastic to fight against the Bolsheviks so much so that over 9,000 (not an internet reference/joke) volunteered for the 5,000 slots available. They earned their stripes at Kharkov and were the only foreign forces given the honour of entering Stalingrad itself where they got BTFO, mostly at the Red October Factory in the thick of the battle.

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  134. iffen says:
    @Guillaume Tell
    Fighting over political ideas is much easier because it does not involve one's own actions (talking is cheap). Leftists proclaim a generic love for "humanity" which is an abstraction but typically fail to father and raise a large family. In fairness many right-wing types are also total losers in this regard.

    The fatigue that you are mentioning, if it indeed exists and is really widespread, must be explicable in terms of genotype expression under the current environmental pressures. An explanation I find plausible is that of an evolutionary bottleneck through which R1b peoples are going as we speak.

    Leftists proclaim a generic love for “humanity” which is an abstraction

    This is why they are winning. The opposition cannot cohere because much of the opposition is libertarian/individualistic.

    Groups win against individuals.

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  135. @Talha
    I remember reading either a paper or an article on this subject - it’s been a while but I’m sure people can find resources. In general, wars can be very dysgenic; you lose your young, capable, brave men in high proportions (often before they procreate). The ones who get a pass to avoid war are cowards (or these can survive deployment at higher rates by keeping their heads down) or those incapable or unfit. Not a good combo. It’s less so now because we have rules for POWs and such but in the past you could lose your entire army or the lion’s share of it like at Cannae or Qadisiyyah.

    Certain rules to walk away with:
    1) if you plan to wage war, make sure you win because they are generally dysgenic from the start
    2) losing a war is even more dysgenic
    3) losing a war to Russia in an epic way is even more dysgenic

    Peace.

    I heard about this as well; but I think it depends somewbat on the type of army.

    If the army is composed of a small professional force then large losses are probably dysgenic, but if it is a full scale conscript army relying more on numerical superiority then it might not necessarily be so.

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    I get what you are saying but Ww2 was on a massive scale; nations like Germany, France, Russia, etc. lost millions of their fighting men put together. Nothing like this occurred in history. They were so short on manpower that they recruited brown people from their colonies to help in the slaughter.

    Peace.
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  136. @German_reader

    Olaf Palme, who officially instituted multiculturalism as state policy.
     
    Why did he do that?
    iirc the evil Labour party in Britain had something like multiculturalism in its manifesto already back in the early 1960s, and it's of course well known that Trudeau senior introduced multiculturalism in Canada. But Britain was the former centre of a empire, and Canada was already bicultural, so there was at least some discernible background to those policies (even if they were still absolutely idiotic and disastrous). But how could one get the idea to introduce multiculturalism into Sweden?

    Palme considered himself multicultural because his mother was a Baltic German, and he kept a Jewish adviser.

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.

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    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.
     
    Didn't Sweden also take in a lot of Jews from Poland in the late 1960s (including some really horrible characters who had taken part in Stalinist show trials against AK people)? I seem to recall that some of those have been rather problematic as well.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.
     
    He was pretty megalomaniac in his foreign policy activism.
    I have to admit I find it kind of hilarious they never found his killer (all the more so if it was really just some loser, and not some great conspiracy by the South Africans or the CIA).
    , @Mitleser

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.
     
    Does not sound so bad.
    North Vietnam was nationalist and comparing Nixon to Hitler does not make Nixon look that bad after reading this:

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.
     
    Maybe Sweden should not have saved them.
    Or at least sent them back ASAP.
    , @Matra
    I forgot all about Olof Palme. I was a kid when he was killed but I can somewhat recall him being described as the 'Pierre Trudeau of Sweden' in Canadian media. For Sweden's sake I hope he didn't leave behind a politically active son.
    , @Marcus
    Who do you think offed him? I've heard South Africa and Yugoslavia are the two favorite candidates.
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  137. @Thorfinnsson
    Palme considered himself multicultural because his mother was a Baltic German, and he kept a Jewish adviser.

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.

    Didn’t Sweden also take in a lot of Jews from Poland in the late 1960s (including some really horrible characters who had taken part in Stalinist show trials against AK people)? I seem to recall that some of those have been rather problematic as well.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.

    He was pretty megalomaniac in his foreign policy activism.
    I have to admit I find it kind of hilarious they never found his killer (all the more so if it was really just some loser, and not some great conspiracy by the South Africans or the CIA).

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    Didn’t Sweden also take in a lot of Jews from Poland in the late 1960s (including some really horrible characters who had taken part in Stalinist show trials against AK people)?
     
    I actually knew a Swedish 'alt-lite' guy whose grandfather was a Jewish communist who got kicked out of Poland in that time period.
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  138. Rosie says:
    @g2k
    True. Anecdotally, I know several Erdogan supporters who aren't happy about the number of syrians in the country. But why the CHP? Perhaps I'm missing something here, but going from Erdogan to neoliberalism.txt will hardly help the situation.

    True. Anecdotally, I know several Erdogan supporters who aren’t happy about the number of syrians in the country.

    I don’t get it. They all look pretty much the same to me, and thy have the same religion. I know they speak different languages but that seems like a minor nuisance at most.

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    If you were to spend five seconds anywhere in Turkey and five seconds in pre-war Syria (excluding one or two nice bits of Latakia and Damascus) you wouldn't be able to say that with a straight face. Turks are very moderate as Muslims, but are nationalistic on a level that would make an alt righter baulk. They had the opposite experience to Europe as a result of this in the twentieth century.
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  139. Talha says:
    @Hyperborean
    I heard about this as well; but I think it depends somewbat on the type of army.

    If the army is composed of a small professional force then large losses are probably dysgenic, but if it is a full scale conscript army relying more on numerical superiority then it might not necessarily be so.

    I get what you are saying but Ww2 was on a massive scale; nations like Germany, France, Russia, etc. lost millions of their fighting men put together. Nothing like this occurred in history. They were so short on manpower that they recruited brown people from their colonies to help in the slaughter.

    Peace.

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    [N]ations like Germany, France, Russia, etc. lost millions of their fighting men put together. Nothing like this occurred in history.
     
    I think this actually reinforces my point; the war led to massive destruction in demographic, economic, social, infrastructural spheres etc. But as to pure dysgenic damage, I don't think it was that significant.
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  140. @Guillaume Tell
    This is certainly a necessary part of the explanation. But I do not find it

    sufficient
     
    . That they accept to be traumatized as much I find incomprehensible. Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan? Do the Chinese feel guilty because of Mao? Evidently not.

    There must be something else playing out. I am thinking more in terms of a genetic defect of some sort.

    Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan?

    Far from it, the Mongolians are very healthy, they celebrate the era when the Mongol race was of world-historical importance.

    Giant statue of Genghis Khan around 54 kilometres away from the capital:

    I understand them; if I was Greek I would certainly build giant statue(s) to Alexander the Great.

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    This is great. Germany should erect a similar statue to AH
    , @Toronto Russian

    I understand them; if I was Greek I would certainly build giant statue(s) to Alexander the Great.
     
    The Slav Macedonians did.
    http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/73569374.jpg

    Skopje is a bizarre city - poor and polluted but covered with newly built neoclassical palaces and innumerable monuments to any semi-famous historical or modern person related to it (Alexander is unrelated though - his kingdom was almost all in the territory of Greece, and Slavs came to the place long after him). A legacy of a crazy nationalistic and spendthrift government of late 2000s - 2010s. I recommend curiosity-seeking readers to make a trip there when the weather isn't too hot.
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  141. Rosie says:
    @German_reader
    In Germany (and I suppose other European countries as well) Antifa often tries to intimidate members of the right-wing opposition by vandalizing their houses, torching their cars or holding intimidating demonstrations in front of their homes.
    I suppose the American left will adopt similar tactics. It's pretty astounding though that they attempt such things against people actually holding office or being linked in some way to the government.

    It’s pretty astounding though that they attempt such things against people actually holding office or being linked in some way to the government.

    That tells you everything you need to know about “the government,” doesn’t it?

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  142. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack.
     
    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR. Hungarians fought because they were afraid that if they didn’t join, the Germans would roll back all the territorial gains they made in the previous few years. They were also hoping to maybe gain some more, but explicitly weren’t interested in any areas of the USSR or Poland or any country or area not belonging to the Hungarian crown in 1900. Slovakia and Croatia were hoping to keep their independence, and either were hoping for territorial expansion or hoping to keep what they had.

    The soldiers weren’t very enthusiastic to fight deep inside of Russia in any of these countries, and they were hoping for the USSR to just collapse or the Germans to fight it out.

    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Yes. 50,000 Slovak troops invade Poland with Hitler on 1st Sept, 1939.

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    Yes. 50,000 Slovak troops invade Poland with Hitler on 1st Sept, 1939.
     
    That and some other comments at this thread bring up the interesting observation on how some national/historical rivalries and friendships linger on, despite alliances involving a larger power.

    Specifically -

    The Bulgarian WW II example, previously discussed at this thread.

    In WW II, Nazi allied Hungary was decent to Poles seeking refuge, on account of close/friendly historical Polish-Hungarian ties.

    During the Cold War, Warsaw Pact/COMECON members Hungary and Romania periodically bickered with each other.

    NATO members Greece and Turkey have had some pointed spats.

    I'm not sure that Polish-Slovak differences have been greater than Czech-Polish ones. At the end of WW II, Poland resented the drawn boundary accorded to Czech dominated CzechoSlovakia. Germany had a similar qualm, thereby explaining how they both (Poland and Germany) carried on in 1938.

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  143. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    There's some truth to that.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/translation-a-hell-of-their-own-making/

    One general note I would make is that Russia is a big country, and there are many gradations even within Russians. E.g. even in 2003, Yaroslavl - the region outside Moscow and the millioniki that I am most impressed with - was already a clean, flourishing city that had left behind its sovok past (indeed, c.1914, it was the most literate Russian region after SPB and Moscow, and had the highest % of peasants with savings accounts). Conversely, Volokolamsk c.2017 is still a dump with extremely corrupt local politicians and a literal garbage apocalypse - and unlike, say, Chechnya, it doesn't get much in the way of gibs from the federal center.

    There are things like economic or academic indicators, which are important on an underlying causal level and people need to worry about.

    Other things, like how much garbage people throw on streets, or whether drunks are pissing on doors of apartment buildings – it is unpleasant but only e.g. for residents of a particular building.

    Corrupt mayors and governors are rather a rule, rather than the exception – but if e.g. the economy was building a strong hi tech economy, or excelling in sciences, then it could survive all the corrupt mayors in the world, and will one day in the future, even, build robots to clean up any garbage people throw.

    There’s also a kind of Western petite bourgeois attitude of people like the Steve Sailor blog, where they think that cleanness of streets, or how the lawn of the golf course is cut, is a sign of civilization.

    How do such “clean” Americans imagine the garbage situation was of London of Shakespeare, or Florence of Renaissance, or Athens of Aristophanes?

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    All said the discussion of deficiencies reminds of Varlamov's complaining video today of the "park" in Volgograd

    At 26:00 minute
    https://youtu.be/8U7oKo1q-HU?t=26m1s

    So, "Parks" in Volgograd are in a bad way, at exactly same time as the city was full of English fans, the race most valued in all the world for their gardening skills.

    Surely the gods have intended for Volgograd authorities should take an opportunity to capture a group of Englishmen to the purpose of setting this gardening nationality to restore the honour of the city's parks.

    , @Matra
    There’s also a kind of Western petite bourgeois attitude of people like the Steve Sailor blog, where they think that cleanness of streets, or how the lawn of the golf course is cut, is a sign of civilization.



    How do such “clean” Americans imagine the garbage situation was of London of Shakespeare, or Florence of Renaissance, or Athens of Aristophanes?

    Still reeling over Polish Perspective saying parts of Israel were a dump?
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  144. @Talha
    I get what you are saying but Ww2 was on a massive scale; nations like Germany, France, Russia, etc. lost millions of their fighting men put together. Nothing like this occurred in history. They were so short on manpower that they recruited brown people from their colonies to help in the slaughter.

    Peace.

    [N]ations like Germany, France, Russia, etc. lost millions of their fighting men put together. Nothing like this occurred in history.

    I think this actually reinforces my point; the war led to massive destruction in demographic, economic, social, infrastructural spheres etc. But as to pure dysgenic damage, I don’t think it was that significant.

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    Ah Ok - good point - I can see that angle. I definitely don’t know if there is a study that would help determine whether the braver, healthier and tougher men were disproportionately killed off or whether it was proportional due to mass conscription.

    Peace.
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  145. @German_reader

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.
     
    Didn't Sweden also take in a lot of Jews from Poland in the late 1960s (including some really horrible characters who had taken part in Stalinist show trials against AK people)? I seem to recall that some of those have been rather problematic as well.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.
     
    He was pretty megalomaniac in his foreign policy activism.
    I have to admit I find it kind of hilarious they never found his killer (all the more so if it was really just some loser, and not some great conspiracy by the South Africans or the CIA).

    Didn’t Sweden also take in a lot of Jews from Poland in the late 1960s (including some really horrible characters who had taken part in Stalinist show trials against AK people)?

    I actually knew a Swedish ‘alt-lite’ guy whose grandfather was a Jewish communist who got kicked out of Poland in that time period.

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  146. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry
    There are things like economic or academic indicators, which are important on an underlying causal level and people need to worry about.

    Other things, like how much garbage people throw on streets, or whether drunks are pissing on doors of apartment buildings - it is unpleasant but only e.g. for residents of a particular building.

    Corrupt mayors and governors are rather a rule, rather than the exception - but if e.g. the economy was building a strong hi tech economy, or excelling in sciences, then it could survive all the corrupt mayors in the world, and will one day in the future, even, build robots to clean up any garbage people throw.

    There's also a kind of Western petite bourgeois attitude of people like the Steve Sailor blog, where they think that cleanness of streets, or how the lawn of the golf course is cut, is a sign of civilization.

    How do such "clean" Americans imagine the garbage situation was of London of Shakespeare, or Florence of Renaissance, or Athens of Aristophanes?

    All said the discussion of deficiencies reminds of Varlamov’s complaining video today of the “park” in Volgograd

    At 26:00 minute

    So, “Parks” in Volgograd are in a bad way, at exactly same time as the city was full of English fans, the race most valued in all the world for their gardening skills.

    Surely the gods have intended for Volgograd authorities should take an opportunity to capture a group of Englishmen to the purpose of setting this gardening nationality to restore the honour of the city’s parks.

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    I read once an article (I can't find it now but I think it was the Telegraph) about middle-class Russians who were learning English gardening styles in the UK. And though they were mainly focused on improving their own private Properties, I think it shows that there is some interest in it.
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  147. Beckow says:
    @reiner Tor

    Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack.
     
    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Romanians were fighting for territories occupied by the USSR. Hungarians fought because they were afraid that if they didn’t join, the Germans would roll back all the territorial gains they made in the previous few years. They were also hoping to maybe gain some more, but explicitly weren’t interested in any areas of the USSR or Poland or any country or area not belonging to the Hungarian crown in 1900. Slovakia and Croatia were hoping to keep their independence, and either were hoping for territorial expansion or hoping to keep what they had.

    The soldiers weren’t very enthusiastic to fight deep inside of Russia in any of these countries, and they were hoping for the USSR to just collapse or the Germans to fight it out.

    Why did you leave out Slovakia?

    Ohmmm, not enough space? for the sake of brevity? …ok, Slovaks belong on the list, you caught me :).

    There are things in our history – in all history – that are hard to understand. Only people of that era could really comprehend it. Looking back at something 75 years later is an artifice. When one looks at original sources, what people thought at that time is that Germany will win. My conclusion on why Romanians, Croats, Italians and others (clever, hm?) joined the German attack on Soviet Union is that they thought they would be on the winning side. That was it. When Germany started to lose, they started to think about bailing out, or even about switching sides. An under-appreciated dynamic in all human conflicts is this natural desire to be with the winners. In retrospect that is often hard to see.

    Of course, there are exceptions, for some strange psychological reasons, Poles crave being losers and often go to extreme lengths to make sure that they are prominently pitied. I really don’t know why, maybe the misty plains?

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    Of course, there are exceptions, for some strange psychological reasons, Poles crave being losers and often go to extreme lengths to make sure that they are prominently pitied. I really don’t know why, maybe the misty plains?
     
    The last centuries of Poland's history.

    Winning anything, especially war, is very unpatrotic behaviour in Poland. You need to loose and die properly and then you can claim "moral victory" or some bullcrap like that.

    I wish it was a joke but its an honest, if not clearly stated, thing here. Defeats are celebrated far more than victories. I guess it started in XIX century with our romantic poets during the paritions who had initiated the idea of Poland as a messiah of nations (literal statments). To be clear it meant the sacrifice of the messianic archetype - another variant of this idea is "Poland as Winkelried of nations" - with Winkelried being a Swiss guy, who according to a legend threw himself on spear of Austrians to allow his comrades to pass. As this Polish thing appeared around the time of our nationalism and national identity were born, it kinda grew in, even into subconcious, fuelled by various defeats in uprisings etc, and became a cancer that survives until this day. Even in case of victory, like in Warsaw in 1920, its literaly called in our historiography a "Vistula miracle". While there were political reasons for this statment, it fits into the "defeat narrative" - we were getting properly wrecked until the "miracle" occured, so it didn't break the moral supremacy coming from a defeat. Warsaw Uprising which was a disaster on every single level is celebrated like something glorious, while the peaceful end of communism is reconstructed into defeat, It fits into the whole Smolensk catastrophe - Lech Kaczynski died properly, as he should, so the "moral victory" should be build around it. Its hard to build one around a catastrophe, therefore - murder.

    Its not the entire society, not even a majority, most Poles would deny this being a thing, bit I believe its fits into many of our stereotypes and festers somewhere in national psyche.
     
    https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35007301/
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  148. Rosie says:
    @Guillaume Tell

    German states as victims of external aggression isn’t something that is emphasized in the dominant, “official” views of German history with their focus on 1933-1945.
     
    Yes and this "official" view cannot tolerate being challenged as it would quickly collapse. Can you please tell me about the mental asylum system that you were alluding to in an earlier post?

    But the reactions to that by German establishment historians were quite hysterical, and it was clear that this wasn’t just an academic debate, but about contemporary politics as well.
     
    Which arguably is the prime motivator for any political regime to fund official historians. In the contemporary Western/liberal world, this role is fulfilled by the academe.

    Christopher Clark’s Sleepwalkers book was a great success in Germany.
     
    I am happy to read that. Thank you.

    but she also tells me that many of our former colleagues of roughly the same age are quite fanatical open borders types and that it’s impossible to have a discussion with them.
     
    Couldn't there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex? Which would go back to my theory about some sort of negative selective pressure playing out here.

    Couldn’t there be some sexual aspect behind this? Something akin to a desire-to-be-raped complex?

    There could be, and there could also be a monster under my bed.

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/12/germans-attitudes-immigration-harden-following-col/

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  149. @Anatoly Karlin
    There's some truth to that.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/translation-a-hell-of-their-own-making/

    One general note I would make is that Russia is a big country, and there are many gradations even within Russians. E.g. even in 2003, Yaroslavl - the region outside Moscow and the millioniki that I am most impressed with - was already a clean, flourishing city that had left behind its sovok past (indeed, c.1914, it was the most literate Russian region after SPB and Moscow, and had the highest % of peasants with savings accounts). Conversely, Volokolamsk c.2017 is still a dump with extremely corrupt local politicians and a literal garbage apocalypse - and unlike, say, Chechnya, it doesn't get much in the way of gibs from the federal center.

    Thanks for a good read Anatoly.
    I think I will dig up your archives as I’m fairly new reader of yours.
    I didn’t mean to insert racial undertones as I was rather attacking late sovok mentality that still lingers in some parts of my country as well.
    I can only think of it as post-soviet problem as there’s nothing wrong with Russian genetics.
    Sorry for offtopic, but I’ve seen few posts about Old Believers and I hope to slip some personal insights about these people as I do have family ties with this community.
    In my opinion that I formed reading old Russian literature that Russian Old Believers (Староверы) are closer representation of what Russians peasants would be without communism ghost haunting them.
    The ones I used to know were hard working and ascetic. Their blue, yellow, green dominated villages looked picturesque, tidy and well kept even if population was ageing. Old Believers work ethic could put any German to shame. What made me fond of them is that they still managed to preserve archaic Russian in their every day language, names and prayers while still being very successful in any country they were in. (((Big unkept beard tribe))) were quite good merchants and intellectuals too, ironically enough it was Soviet Union and not Tsarist Russian Empire that pretty much put an end to them directly and indirectly by destroying Russian countryside.

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    Thanks for a good read Anatoly.
     
    His old post (he linked to above) is very different to his modern posts, it feels like from a different writer.

    I have to say, I think he has improved a lot in his current posts.
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  150. @Dmitry
    All said the discussion of deficiencies reminds of Varlamov's complaining video today of the "park" in Volgograd

    At 26:00 minute
    https://youtu.be/8U7oKo1q-HU?t=26m1s

    So, "Parks" in Volgograd are in a bad way, at exactly same time as the city was full of English fans, the race most valued in all the world for their gardening skills.

    Surely the gods have intended for Volgograd authorities should take an opportunity to capture a group of Englishmen to the purpose of setting this gardening nationality to restore the honour of the city's parks.

    I read once an article (I can’t find it now but I think it was the Telegraph) about middle-class Russians who were learning English gardening styles in the UK. And though they were mainly focused on improving their own private Properties, I think it shows that there is some interest in it.

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  151. Talha says:
    @Hyperborean

    [N]ations like Germany, France, Russia, etc. lost millions of their fighting men put together. Nothing like this occurred in history.
     
    I think this actually reinforces my point; the war led to massive destruction in demographic, economic, social, infrastructural spheres etc. But as to pure dysgenic damage, I don't think it was that significant.

    Ah Ok – good point – I can see that angle. I definitely don’t know if there is a study that would help determine whether the braver, healthier and tougher men were disproportionately killed off or whether it was proportional due to mass conscription.

    Peace.

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  152. Dmitry says:
    @Lithuanian
    Thanks for a good read Anatoly.
    I think I will dig up your archives as I'm fairly new reader of yours.
    I didn't mean to insert racial undertones as I was rather attacking late sovok mentality that still lingers in some parts of my country as well.
    I can only think of it as post-soviet problem as there's nothing wrong with Russian genetics.
    Sorry for offtopic, but I've seen few posts about Old Believers and I hope to slip some personal insights about these people as I do have family ties with this community.
    In my opinion that I formed reading old Russian literature that Russian Old Believers (Староверы) are closer representation of what Russians peasants would be without communism ghost haunting them.
    The ones I used to know were hard working and ascetic. Their blue, yellow, green dominated villages looked picturesque, tidy and well kept even if population was ageing. Old Believers work ethic could put any German to shame. What made me fond of them is that they still managed to preserve archaic Russian in their every day language, names and prayers while still being very successful in any country they were in. (((Big unkept beard tribe))) were quite good merchants and intellectuals too, ironically enough it was Soviet Union and not Tsarist Russian Empire that pretty much put an end to them directly and indirectly by destroying Russian countryside.

    Thanks for a good read Anatoly.

    His old post (he linked to above) is very different to his modern posts, it feels like from a different writer.

    I have to say, I think he has improved a lot in his current posts.

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  153. Mikhail says: • Website
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    Why did you leave out Slovakia?
     
    Yes. 50,000 Slovak troops invade Poland with Hitler on 1st Sept, 1939.

    Yes. 50,000 Slovak troops invade Poland with Hitler on 1st Sept, 1939.

    That and some other comments at this thread bring up the interesting observation on how some national/historical rivalries and friendships linger on, despite alliances involving a larger power.

    Specifically –

    The Bulgarian WW II example, previously discussed at this thread.

    In WW II, Nazi allied Hungary was decent to Poles seeking refuge, on account of close/friendly historical Polish-Hungarian ties.

    During the Cold War, Warsaw Pact/COMECON members Hungary and Romania periodically bickered with each other.

    NATO members Greece and Turkey have had some pointed spats.

    I’m not sure that Polish-Slovak differences have been greater than Czech-Polish ones. At the end of WW II, Poland resented the drawn boundary accorded to Czech dominated CzechoSlovakia. Germany had a similar qualm, thereby explaining how they both (Poland and Germany) carried on in 1938.

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    I’m not sure that Polish-Slovak differences have been greater than Czech-Polish ones. At the end of WW II, Poland resented the drawn boundary accorded to Czech dominated CzechoSlovakia. Germany had a similar qualm, thereby explaining how they both (Poland and Germany) carried on in 1938.
     
    Should read as at the end of WW I, adding that Hungary also took CzechoSlovak territory in 1938, along with Poland and Nazi Germany.
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  154. @Guillaume Tell
    I am sorry but I don't understand you. How do you reconcile your comment #106:

    they are literally niggers of eastern europ [sic]
     
    with your comment #111:

    married one
     
    Am I to understand that you willfully chose to spend you life with a Nigger-of-sorts?

    Really I am puzzled. Something must give.

    Excuse me, I was being niggerly myself by letting my emotions dictate me.
    Also, English language is not my forte and I find expressing myself in English very hard. (Thus, a lurker – not a poster)
    By using a racial slur I meant to target mentality, not genetics. I should’ve used fairy tale Иван-дурак archetype as an example.

    I am happily married to a Russian woman that comes from amazing personal background. I am happy to teach my children Russian and Lithuanian and I do hope one day they will teach me proper English.
    But I still stand by my comments that Russian countryside is absolutely run down. I suggest you visit Kaliningrad as I hardly know a place where I haven’t been in there.

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    they are literally niggaz of eastern europ.
     
    What you are saying this wasn't a compliment ?

    Maybe I've been learning English from the wrong places...

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  155. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mikhail

    Yes. 50,000 Slovak troops invade Poland with Hitler on 1st Sept, 1939.
     
    That and some other comments at this thread bring up the interesting observation on how some national/historical rivalries and friendships linger on, despite alliances involving a larger power.

    Specifically -

    The Bulgarian WW II example, previously discussed at this thread.

    In WW II, Nazi allied Hungary was decent to Poles seeking refuge, on account of close/friendly historical Polish-Hungarian ties.

    During the Cold War, Warsaw Pact/COMECON members Hungary and Romania periodically bickered with each other.

    NATO members Greece and Turkey have had some pointed spats.

    I'm not sure that Polish-Slovak differences have been greater than Czech-Polish ones. At the end of WW II, Poland resented the drawn boundary accorded to Czech dominated CzechoSlovakia. Germany had a similar qualm, thereby explaining how they both (Poland and Germany) carried on in 1938.

    I’m not sure that Polish-Slovak differences have been greater than Czech-Polish ones. At the end of WW II, Poland resented the drawn boundary accorded to Czech dominated CzechoSlovakia. Germany had a similar qualm, thereby explaining how they both (Poland and Germany) carried on in 1938.

    Should read as at the end of WW I, adding that Hungary also took CzechoSlovak territory in 1938, along with Poland and Nazi Germany.

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  156. utu says:

    how some national/historical rivalries and friendships linger on, despite alliances involving a larger power

    That’s why if some larger power decides to sow the discord the alliance go out of the window. Do you think it would take a lot to bring the issue of minorities and contested territories between Hungary and Slovakia to the boiling point? That’s why any setup based on individual nationalisms of smaller countries is inherently unstable and precarious. Only a threat by a larger common enemy from without could stabilize it.

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  157. utu says:

    18 Russian Empire posters

    Great posters.

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    Was that Weiner family in one of the posters Jewish?

    Regarding an academic, whose views on the Russian Empire and USSR have been rebuked in one way or the other:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/25062018-remembering-richard-pipes-oped/

    Different from the JRL promoted stuff that has been written about him.
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  158. Mikhail says: • Website
    @utu

    18 Russian Empire posters
     
    Great posters.

    Was that Weiner family in one of the posters Jewish?

    Regarding an academic, whose views on the Russian Empire and USSR have been rebuked in one way or the other:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/25062018-remembering-richard-pipes-oped/

    Different from the JRL promoted stuff that has been written about him.

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    Richard Pipes was a Polish-Jewish American. His ethnic and political background probably makes him very unreliable for his interpretations.

    Apparently he was proponent of a Russian Sonderweg thesis, which proves the point.

    No one tries to sonderweg countries they like. How many professional historians write books about how Anglo-Saxon individualism and libertarianism are merely the result of a centuries long love for barbarism and disunity and that given the conditions of the Anglo-Saxon countries and peoples it was only natural that they would develop this way?
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  159. @Mikhail
    Was that Weiner family in one of the posters Jewish?

    Regarding an academic, whose views on the Russian Empire and USSR have been rebuked in one way or the other:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/25062018-remembering-richard-pipes-oped/

    Different from the JRL promoted stuff that has been written about him.

    Richard Pipes was a Polish-Jewish American. His ethnic and political background probably makes him very unreliable for his interpretations.

    Apparently he was proponent of a Russian Sonderweg thesis, which proves the point.

    No one tries to sonderweg countries they like. How many professional historians write books about how Anglo-Saxon individualism and libertarianism are merely the result of a centuries long love for barbarism and disunity and that given the conditions of the Anglo-Saxon countries and peoples it was only natural that they would develop this way?

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    As the linked article reveals, he wasn't the typical anti-Russian that has been associated to people of a Jewish background.

    If I'm not mistaken, he received some type of a formal honorary Polish government acknowledgement.
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  160. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Hyperborean
    Richard Pipes was a Polish-Jewish American. His ethnic and political background probably makes him very unreliable for his interpretations.

    Apparently he was proponent of a Russian Sonderweg thesis, which proves the point.

    No one tries to sonderweg countries they like. How many professional historians write books about how Anglo-Saxon individualism and libertarianism are merely the result of a centuries long love for barbarism and disunity and that given the conditions of the Anglo-Saxon countries and peoples it was only natural that they would develop this way?

    As the linked article reveals, he wasn’t the typical anti-Russian that has been associated to people of a Jewish background.

    If I’m not mistaken, he received some type of a formal honorary Polish government acknowledgement.

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  161. Dmitry says:
    @Lithuanian
    Excuse me, I was being niggerly myself by letting my emotions dictate me.
    Also, English language is not my forte and I find expressing myself in English very hard. (Thus, a lurker - not a poster)
    By using a racial slur I meant to target mentality, not genetics. I should've used fairy tale Иван-дурак archetype as an example.

    I am happily married to a Russian woman that comes from amazing personal background. I am happy to teach my children Russian and Lithuanian and I do hope one day they will teach me proper English.
    But I still stand by my comments that Russian countryside is absolutely run down. I suggest you visit Kaliningrad as I hardly know a place where I haven't been in there.

    they are literally niggaz of eastern europ.

    What you are saying this wasn’t a compliment ?

    Maybe I’ve been learning English from the wrong places…

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  162. @Talha
    A centralized schooling apparatus is absolutely necessary for this kind of change in attitudes. They are now introducing mandatory LGBTQ+ parts to the curriculum. I saw my own daughter was getting a little too influenced so had to dedicate some time into deconstructing their arguments and getting her back on track. Not as solid as I would like, but it’ll do for now.

    In general, women should not be given too many positions of power in the political realm; a few are usually OK but it should be kept to a minimum and extremely discouraged at the very top echelons.

    The poz usually begins there, it doesn’t drop out of the blue. Of course, Serbia seems to be batting it outta the park - they have an openly lesbian PM who attended the PRIDE parade herself. Bravo...?

    Peace.

    Of course, Serbia seems to be batting it outta the park…

    Exactly, hence my comment about traitorous governments. But you know how it goes in history – things go one way till SHTF and then they don’t any longer.

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    things go one way till SHTF and then they don’t any longer.
     
    Excellent point - I agree that the current trajectory is unsustainable. I think the current framework cannot hold on for the long run. Just hope that the transition happens without much chaos and bloodshed because you know how that can go.

    There’s a lot of hope though. Much of the Muslim world was on a similar trajectory led by a bunch of nonsense elites (though not so far down the tracks) a few decades back, but we were able to start the transition out of it (still ongoing). So I’m fairly sure Europeans will be able to do the same - it just sucks in the meantime.

    Peace.
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  163. Talha says:
    @Chet Bradley

    Of course, Serbia seems to be batting it outta the park...
     
    Exactly, hence my comment about traitorous governments. But you know how it goes in history - things go one way till SHTF and then they don't any longer.

    things go one way till SHTF and then they don’t any longer.

    Excellent point – I agree that the current trajectory is unsustainable. I think the current framework cannot hold on for the long run. Just hope that the transition happens without much chaos and bloodshed because you know how that can go.

    There’s a lot of hope though. Much of the Muslim world was on a similar trajectory led by a bunch of nonsense elites (though not so far down the tracks) a few decades back, but we were able to start the transition out of it (still ongoing). So I’m fairly sure Europeans will be able to do the same – it just sucks in the meantime.

    Peace.

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    Just hope that the transition happens without much chaos and bloodshed...
     
    No bloodshed needed; rope and light poles will do.
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  164. Dmitry says:

    Apparently, English are drinking all the vodka now…

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  165. Beckow says:
    @Anon 2
    Poland doesn't have the slightest interest in attacking Russia. Is that what
    Slovaks like you wish for? I've known a number of Slovaks, and for the most
    part they are sober, rational people.

    Poland, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, and Ukraine, in other words, all of Russia's
    neighbors, deeply distrust, not so much ordinary Russians but the Russian
    government. Slovakia, Hungary or Germany, not being Russia's neighbors,
    have fewer reasons to distrust Russia. This is perfectly rational, based as it is
    on the last 300 years of Russian history - specifically on the fact that Russia
    has never been a democracy, and being autocratic means it's not really
    responsive to the will of the people (of course, Germany, France, and Britain are
    no longer reponsive to the will of the people when it comes to immigration
    but that's another story). I personally trust Russia a little bit more now that
    it's finally ruled by Russians, and not by foreigners like in the previous 200
    years, but it's still subject to the whims of its autocratic rulers like Putin.

    To declare that ‘Russia has never been a democracy‘ is simply stupid. How do you expect to be taken seriously with declarative slogans like that? If Russia today isn’t a democracy, then most democracies today and in recent past are also not democracies. Or maybe all of them are democracies and that’s the way real democracies look.

    When you make up things and then talk about ‘justified fear’, one can only wonder about your mental condition. Look up the diagnosis for people who create fictional narratives in their mind, and then fear the world around them based on those fictional narratives. There is a term for that condition and there are also medications to control it. Or you can do it yourself by simply deciding to be normal.

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    I'm curious - why are you so anti-Polish? Poland barely notices that Slovakia even
    exists - separated as it is by a mountain range. In contrast to Hungary, Slovakia
    played virtually no role in Poland's history. We are much closer to the Czechs and
    to the Polabian Slavs (who, of course, are almost extinct but still speak a language
    very close to Polish) - e.g., those who live in the Bautzen (Budziszyn) district in
    Saxony. I personally know very little about Slovakia, but certainly have no
    negative feelings toward the country.

    As to your second point, the present Russian system is closer to being autocratic
    than democratic. It's certainly more illiberal than the illiberal democracies
    currently present in Poland and Hungary.
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  166. g2k says:
    @Rosie

    True. Anecdotally, I know several Erdogan supporters who aren’t happy about the number of syrians in the country.
     
    I don't get it. They all look pretty much the same to me, and thy have the same religion. I know they speak different languages but that seems like a minor nuisance at most.

    If you were to spend five seconds anywhere in Turkey and five seconds in pre-war Syria (excluding one or two nice bits of Latakia and Damascus) you wouldn’t be able to say that with a straight face. Turks are very moderate as Muslims, but are nationalistic on a level that would make an alt righter baulk. They had the opposite experience to Europe as a result of this in the twentieth century.

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  167. @Talha

    things go one way till SHTF and then they don’t any longer.
     
    Excellent point - I agree that the current trajectory is unsustainable. I think the current framework cannot hold on for the long run. Just hope that the transition happens without much chaos and bloodshed because you know how that can go.

    There’s a lot of hope though. Much of the Muslim world was on a similar trajectory led by a bunch of nonsense elites (though not so far down the tracks) a few decades back, but we were able to start the transition out of it (still ongoing). So I’m fairly sure Europeans will be able to do the same - it just sucks in the meantime.

    Peace.

    Just hope that the transition happens without much chaos and bloodshed…

    No bloodshed needed; rope and light poles will do.

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  168. Controversial question, but could you consider the topic of the Russian prostitute?
    I consider them a bit of a stain on Russia’s rep, especially on their women, who generally are much more conservative and traditional than in the west, who complain if affects the way foreigners see them.
    Why it happened in the 90s is understandable, but why are so many doing still, especially in places like London, just so they can afford new handbags and a car? If Russia wants to return to be a more traditional state, surely having its women sell themselves for foreign currency in a country that doesn’t respect them (London) is a no!
    For us Russian speakers the website http://ruschippies.com/analysis/ might help, although its a bit hyperbolic.

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    Are there more Russian prostitutes than Americans? American one do not have to go abroad because the pay is good in the US. So you do not see them abroad. Is being a prostitute for foreigners worse than for your compatriots? Do you expect prostitutes to have a higher moral code than, say, Polish plumbers? Who care?

    But if you posed the question in terms of number of betrayals, divorces and abortions among normal women in Russia and, say, France if you had data for it, it would be an interesting question. Bolshevism destroyed many aspects of morality including concerning the sexual mores. Did the path to 'slutdome' via Bolshevism was faster than via liberal democracy? Does bringing back Christianity in Russia bring also a moral health? Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now? Could you trust them more? Are they a better material for wives and mothers?
    , @anonymous coward

    Controversial question, but could you consider the topic of the Russian prostitute?
     
    Most of them are actually Ukrainian or Moldovan.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    The more affluent the society and the greater the emphasis placed on women's rights, the sharper gender differentiation is. And this makes women less willing to engage in transactional sex (not just hooking, but also Beta Bux providers).

    Russians are also known for being materialists who are very interested in acquiring luxury goods.

    And then there's the fact that once you turn down that road as a woman, coming back is difficult.
    , @anonymous
    Through one clever trick, thots in the West are much upgraded. Instead of trading sex for money(and later status), they inflict abuse for money and status.

    Aren't you enjoying it?
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  169. @DFH

    They did not have Nazi crimes, but colonial crimes.
     
    Virtually no-one in Britain except dedicated Communists and liberal internationalists ever cared about 'colonial crimes' (even today, the empire is not unpopular); I believe this is very different from the situation in post-war Germany.

    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/8301/British%20Empire.png


    The sovereignty of other European countries was not restricted de jure, but de facto it was by the Americans.
     
    I always hear people say this, but never see very many concrete examples. I know that the yanks forced Germany to take Turkish Gastarbeiter, which was pretty bad. But DeGaulle was able to leave NATO and destroy Bretton-Woods without American tanks rolling into Paris.

    No US tanks for sure but he got full-blown CIA-backed subversion instead which ultimately destroyed his regime (May 68 of which he never recovered). (((Cohn-Bendit))), (((Krivine))), (((Geismar))), (((Goupil))) and the likes were all frequent visitors to the US embassy in Paris.

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  170. utu says:
    @AaronFalcon
    Controversial question, but could you consider the topic of the Russian prostitute?
    I consider them a bit of a stain on Russia’s rep, especially on their women, who generally are much more conservative and traditional than in the west, who complain if affects the way foreigners see them.
    Why it happened in the 90s is understandable, but why are so many doing still, especially in places like London, just so they can afford new handbags and a car? If Russia wants to return to be a more traditional state, surely having its women sell themselves for foreign currency in a country that doesn’t respect them (London) is a no!
    For us Russian speakers the website http://ruschippies.com/analysis/ might help, although its a bit hyperbolic.

    Are there more Russian prostitutes than Americans? American one do not have to go abroad because the pay is good in the US. So you do not see them abroad. Is being a prostitute for foreigners worse than for your compatriots? Do you expect prostitutes to have a higher moral code than, say, Polish plumbers? Who care?

    But if you posed the question in terms of number of betrayals, divorces and abortions among normal women in Russia and, say, France if you had data for it, it would be an interesting question. Bolshevism destroyed many aspects of morality including concerning the sexual mores. Did the path to ‘slutdome’ via Bolshevism was faster than via liberal democracy? Does bringing back Christianity in Russia bring also a moral health? Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now? Could you trust them more? Are they a better material for wives and mothers?

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    I am almost certain there are more Russian prostitutes than American ones.

    Beyond what I said in my previous post, there's the fact that many prostitutes working in America are foreign. Not just Russian (or Ukrainian), but many from Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, the Caribbean, and even Africa.

    Since prostitution is illegal everywhere in America outside of Nevada (where it however barred in Clark County), this serves as an additional disincentive for American women to become hookers (though of course this has never stopped blacks).

    Prostitution is much more lucrative in America than in Western Europe (about 3x higher wages for hookers), but also much more dangerous.

    That said a form of quasi-prostitution is going increasingly mainstream in America known as "sugaring". Young women, generally but not always college students, sign up for Sugar Baby dating websites to meet older men with resources. The classic money for honey trade.

    This is the main Sugar Baby "dating" website: https://seekingarrangement.com/

    Though you can actually get laid off of these websites without paying girls a cent if you're handsome and charismatic.
    , @Dmitry

    Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now? Could you trust them more? Are they a better material for wives and mothers?
     
    If you ask about "women's relationship morality". For this kind of universal human problem, a difference within the national groups is of course larger than any difference between national groups.

    From your perspective, the relevant part is how accurately you judge character.

    If you ask about relationships in general, average marriage age is a couple of years younger, but there is not some vast difference in culture of dating between the nationalities you are discussing.

    -


    A funny thing is that some could blog about, is how in both countries (America and Russia), this year there are news headlines about studies showing that the current teenage generation are having less sex, promiscuity and drugs, than previous generations (teenagers of the 1990s and 2000s).


    Is being a prostitute for foreigners worse than for your compatriots?
     
    Probably a lot of people are confused by the Ukrainian ones. Clearly, the vast majority of Russian prostitutes, are working in Russia.

    However, as a percentage of the total women's population, of course only a very small percentage are working as prostitutes (they simply have a lot of customers each one).

    , @Daniel Chieh

    Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now?
     
    My limited experience is that they are much tougher mentally, but aren't exactly happy that they have to be.

    They also have +50% cold resistance.
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  171. The stupid (Anatolian immigrants) vote for Le Based Erdogan, the cleverer vote for Ince (expats and professionals).

    In this respect, Turkey is the same as the US (expats vote Clinton), France (Macron), Russia (Prokhorov/Sobchak/etc), Czechia (anti-Zeman), etc. Truly universal pattern.

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    So people who profit from globalism vote for globalist politicians? Wow, what a shocking surprise!

    (Sarcasm, of course.)
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  172. @iffen
    their cell phone has become a popular crime in London.

    I think I can speak for most, (not all), of your commenters and say that we are certainly glad that you lost your electronics without this horrendous tactic being used.

    we are certainly glad that you lost your electronics without this horrendous tactic being used.

    Fortunately when my son got his cell phone stolen a few years agoc he was only mugged and slightly scarred. And of course when they found out it was an old tech phone they left it behind.

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  173. ussr andy says:

    An explanation I find plausible is that of an evolutionary bottleneck through which R1b peoples are going as we speak.

    hmm.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/09/germany-finance-minister-closed-borders-will-lead-inbreeding/

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    Thanks for remininding me of this BS from our previous government.
    The ruling coalition did later change the law so that this guy became the acting President of the Bundestag instead of one of the elected AfD members.
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  174. @Anon 2
    Apparently some Russians are using Google Street View to see how people
    in neighboring countries live. Not surprisingly, their curiosity is focused on
    Poland.

    For example, "Comparison Polish and Russian Villages," posted on YouTube
    by Hot Russia (in Russian), essentially asks the question "why don't Russian
    villages look as affluent and well kept up as Polish villages?" They specifically
    focus on two villages, one near Smolensk and one near Bielsko Biala in southern
    Poland. Now it's been widely reported in the U.S. press that the villages in northwestern
    Russia are losing population, most of the people left are old, and more are dying
    than being born. So perhaps that's part of the reason.

    I myself was surprised by the number of high-rise apartment towers being built in
    the outlying regions of Moscow. For example, visit Yuzhnoye Butovo (27 km southeast
    of central Moscow, 45 min by subway) - by the way, the site of the Great Purge of
    1937-8. You'll be amazed at the amount of construction going on even today, I'm not
    quite sure why. Is it due to the khrushchevkas being demolished or because Moscow
    continues to attract residents from the countryside or both?

    Or might it be that the autocracy in Russia means very specifically that
    the Moscow city-state sucks resources out of the rest of Russia so that villages and
    the Siberian cities (famously in a state of disrepair) are starved for investment money?
    Some of my ancestors, although Polish, lived in Kiev and probably Moscow as well,
    and certainly worked throughout Russia, so I find these questions interesting.

    Is it due to the khrushchevkas being demolished

    No.

    or because Moscow continues to attract residents

    Yes. Also there’s a third and most important reason: people want to expand their existing real estate. Soviet norms are way too low for modern Russians.

    Or might it be that the autocracy in Russia means very specifically that the Moscow city-state sucks resources out of the rest of Russia

    Yes.

    so that villages and the Siberian cities (famously in a state of disrepair) are starved for investment money?

    No. Siberian cities are affluent and well-kept. They’re famous for their rough populace (due to history of industry and prisons), not urban decay.

    The decaying cities are along the Volga. Not sure why, because Moscow doesn’t suck much resources out of them. The cities hardest hit by Moscow’s pull are the ones immediately next to it — Tula, Tver, etc.

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  175. @Anon 2
    But most of the Russian oil and gas comes from western Siberia.
    Isn't it logical that the oil and gas largesse should benefit Siberia
    first, and not Moscow? Travelers around Russia widely report that,
    other than the Moscow region and possibly SPB, much of Russia
    looks like it's starved for investment money, with possibly too
    much going into the military and the space program at the expense
    of the lives of ordinary Russians.

    Travelers around Russia widely report that, other than the Moscow region and possibly SPB, much of Russia looks like it’s starved for investment money

    Money isn’t a problem. Whatever the problem is, it is cultural. This is obvious when visiting Russian cities of comparable size, geography and income level but vastly different urban conditions.

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  176. @AaronFalcon
    Controversial question, but could you consider the topic of the Russian prostitute?
    I consider them a bit of a stain on Russia’s rep, especially on their women, who generally are much more conservative and traditional than in the west, who complain if affects the way foreigners see them.
    Why it happened in the 90s is understandable, but why are so many doing still, especially in places like London, just so they can afford new handbags and a car? If Russia wants to return to be a more traditional state, surely having its women sell themselves for foreign currency in a country that doesn’t respect them (London) is a no!
    For us Russian speakers the website http://ruschippies.com/analysis/ might help, although its a bit hyperbolic.

    Controversial question, but could you consider the topic of the Russian prostitute?

    Most of them are actually Ukrainian or Moldovan.

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  177. @Anatoly Karlin
    The stupid (Anatolian immigrants) vote for Le Based Erdogan, the cleverer vote for Ince (expats and professionals).

    https://i.imgur.com/BLNz4jt.jpg

    In this respect, Turkey is the same as the US (expats vote Clinton), France (Macron), Russia (Prokhorov/Sobchak/etc), Czechia (anti-Zeman), etc. Truly universal pattern.

    So people who profit from globalism vote for globalist politicians? Wow, what a shocking surprise!

    (Sarcasm, of course.)

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  178. Mitleser says:
    @Guillaume Tell

    and unlike, say, Chechnya, it doesn’t get much in the way of gibs from the federal center.
     
    How would you assess the perception of Chechnya as an insufferable deadweight within ethnic Russians (as opposed to "administrative" Russians), by age group? I understand that the criminal code prevents an open debate on this question.

    I am currently convinced that it was the right thing to do to prevent Chechnya from becoming independent in the 1990s, because at that time what mattered was to prevent a complete disintegration of the Russian SFSR; but that today Russia should unilaterally grant independence to Chechnya and expel all Chechens to their newly-independent homeland. What do you think?

    I am currently convinced that it was the right thing to do to prevent Chechnya from becoming independent in the 1990s, because at that time what mattered was to prevent a complete disintegration of the Russian SFSR; but that today Russia should unilaterally grant independence to Chechnya and expel all Chechens to their newly-independent homeland.

    Chechnya was de facto independent in the 1990s, the Russian Federation did not fall apart.
    On the other hand, it was destabilizing the region and you would get this problem back if you would kick them out.

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    The Chechens should never have been allowed to return from Uzbekistan.
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  179. @Mitleser

    I am currently convinced that it was the right thing to do to prevent Chechnya from becoming independent in the 1990s, because at that time what mattered was to prevent a complete disintegration of the Russian SFSR; but that today Russia should unilaterally grant independence to Chechnya and expel all Chechens to their newly-independent homeland.
     
    Chechnya was de facto independent in the 1990s, the Russian Federation did not fall apart.
    On the other hand, it was destabilizing the region and you would get this problem back if you would kick them out.

    The Chechens should never have been allowed to return from Uzbekistan.

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  180. Mitleser says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Palme considered himself multicultural because his mother was a Baltic German, and he kept a Jewish adviser.

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.

    Does not sound so bad.
    North Vietnam was nationalist and comparing Nixon to Hitler does not make Nixon look that bad after reading this:

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.

    Maybe Sweden should not have saved them.
    Or at least sent them back ASAP.

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    North Vietnam was rationalist relative only to South Vietnam, a comprador client state. Vietnam's leaders were committed to Marxism-Leninism and the Revolution, and in 1989 they even attempted to organize a global conference to save world socialism.

    Sweden (and Norway) giving aid to North Vietnam (and, let's not forget, the African National Congress) is typical of the infantile [email protected]#$ YOU DAD school of leftism that became dominant in the 1960s. Certainly after August 22, 1939 no one had a right to have any illusions after the nature of communism. The best you could say was that it was possible to do business with them, and the communist world turned out not to be monolithic.

    I don't think being compared to Hitler should be insulting, but in practice it is and that's obviously what Palme intended. Nixon was no angel to say the least, but he struggled to end the Vietnam War without covering America in disgrace. Was that worth another 20,000 American boys dying? Probably not, but that's an order of magnitude different from attempting to conquer Europe (among other things).
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  181. Mitleser says:
    @Beckow

    Why did you leave out Slovakia?
     
    Ohmmm, not enough space? for the sake of brevity? ...ok, Slovaks belong on the list, you caught me :).

    There are things in our history - in all history - that are hard to understand. Only people of that era could really comprehend it. Looking back at something 75 years later is an artifice. When one looks at original sources, what people thought at that time is that Germany will win. My conclusion on why Romanians, Croats, Italians and others (clever, hm?) joined the German attack on Soviet Union is that they thought they would be on the winning side. That was it. When Germany started to lose, they started to think about bailing out, or even about switching sides. An under-appreciated dynamic in all human conflicts is this natural desire to be with the winners. In retrospect that is often hard to see.

    Of course, there are exceptions, for some strange psychological reasons, Poles crave being losers and often go to extreme lengths to make sure that they are prominently pitied. I really don't know why, maybe the misty plains?

    Of course, there are exceptions, for some strange psychological reasons, Poles crave being losers and often go to extreme lengths to make sure that they are prominently pitied. I really don’t know why, maybe the misty plains?

    The last centuries of Poland’s history.

    Winning anything, especially war, is very unpatrotic behaviour in Poland. You need to loose and die properly and then you can claim “moral victory” or some bullcrap like that.

    I wish it was a joke but its an honest, if not clearly stated, thing here. Defeats are celebrated far more than victories. I guess it started in XIX century with our romantic poets during the paritions who had initiated the idea of Poland as a messiah of nations (literal statments). To be clear it meant the sacrifice of the messianic archetype – another variant of this idea is “Poland as Winkelried of nations” – with Winkelried being a Swiss guy, who according to a legend threw himself on spear of Austrians to allow his comrades to pass. As this Polish thing appeared around the time of our nationalism and national identity were born, it kinda grew in, even into subconcious, fuelled by various defeats in uprisings etc, and became a cancer that survives until this day. Even in case of victory, like in Warsaw in 1920, its literaly called in our historiography a “Vistula miracle”. While there were political reasons for this statment, it fits into the “defeat narrative” – we were getting properly wrecked until the “miracle” occured, so it didn’t break the moral supremacy coming from a defeat. Warsaw Uprising which was a disaster on every single level is celebrated like something glorious, while the peaceful end of communism is reconstructed into defeat, It fits into the whole Smolensk catastrophe – Lech Kaczynski died properly, as he should, so the “moral victory” should be build around it. Its hard to build one around a catastrophe, therefore – murder.

    Its not the entire society, not even a majority, most Poles would deny this being a thing, bit I believe its fits into many of our stereotypes and festers somewhere in national psyche.

    https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35007301/

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  182. Mitleser says:
    @ussr andy

    An explanation I find plausible is that of an evolutionary bottleneck through which R1b peoples are going as we speak.
     
    hmm.


    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/09/germany-finance-minister-closed-borders-will-lead-inbreeding/

    Thanks for remininding me of this BS from our previous government.
    The ruling coalition did later change the law so that this guy became the acting President of the Bundestag instead of one of the elected AfD members.

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  183. @AaronFalcon
    Controversial question, but could you consider the topic of the Russian prostitute?
    I consider them a bit of a stain on Russia’s rep, especially on their women, who generally are much more conservative and traditional than in the west, who complain if affects the way foreigners see them.
    Why it happened in the 90s is understandable, but why are so many doing still, especially in places like London, just so they can afford new handbags and a car? If Russia wants to return to be a more traditional state, surely having its women sell themselves for foreign currency in a country that doesn’t respect them (London) is a no!
    For us Russian speakers the website http://ruschippies.com/analysis/ might help, although its a bit hyperbolic.

    The more affluent the society and the greater the emphasis placed on women’s rights, the sharper gender differentiation is. And this makes women less willing to engage in transactional sex (not just hooking, but also Beta Bux providers).

    Russians are also known for being materialists who are very interested in acquiring luxury goods.

    And then there’s the fact that once you turn down that road as a woman, coming back is difficult.

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    And this makes women less willing to engage in transactional sex (not just hooking, but also Beta Bux providers).
     
    Thorfinnsson,

    FYI:

    https://psychcentral.com/news/2012/04/18/lack-of-men-leads-women-to-choose-career-over-family/37500.html

    I think we still need to figure out which direction the arrow of causation points.
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  184. Matra says:
    @Dmitry
    There are things like economic or academic indicators, which are important on an underlying causal level and people need to worry about.

    Other things, like how much garbage people throw on streets, or whether drunks are pissing on doors of apartment buildings - it is unpleasant but only e.g. for residents of a particular building.

    Corrupt mayors and governors are rather a rule, rather than the exception - but if e.g. the economy was building a strong hi tech economy, or excelling in sciences, then it could survive all the corrupt mayors in the world, and will one day in the future, even, build robots to clean up any garbage people throw.

    There's also a kind of Western petite bourgeois attitude of people like the Steve Sailor blog, where they think that cleanness of streets, or how the lawn of the golf course is cut, is a sign of civilization.

    How do such "clean" Americans imagine the garbage situation was of London of Shakespeare, or Florence of Renaissance, or Athens of Aristophanes?

    There’s also a kind of Western petite bourgeois attitude of people like the Steve Sailor blog, where they think that cleanness of streets, or how the lawn of the golf course is cut, is a sign of civilization.

    How do such “clean” Americans imagine the garbage situation was of London of Shakespeare, or Florence of Renaissance, or Athens of Aristophanes?

    Still reeling over Polish Perspective saying parts of Israel were a dump?

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    But it is a strong, growing dump!

    I don't think its necessarily an entirely technocratic question as opposed to a cultural one. Israel's case is noteworthy because its high fertility rate doesn't find its origins in Muslim or ultra-orthodox Jewish population.
    FR breakdown for Israel:
    Israeli Arabs (20% of the population): 3.11
    Haredi (ultra-orthodox, 12% of the population): 6.7
    Orthodox: 4.2
    Traditional (observant): 3.1
    Traditional (non-observant): 2.6
    Secular: 2.1

    In the case of the last three the FRs, rather curiously, are rising, and for the first two, falling.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-what-not-to-learn-from-israel-s-unusual-baby-boom-1.6115487
     
    https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/47585408/

    Meanwhile in Poland

    April 2018 vs April 2017
    Births: 32.000 (+1.700, +5,9%).....................10,0 (9,4)
    Deaths: 36.000 (+5.900, +19,6%)...................11,2 (9,4)


    January - April 2018

    Births: 128.700 (-1.600, - 1,2%).................10,0 (10,2)
    Deaths: 153.200 (+6.100, +4,1%)..............12,0 (11,5)

    Balance: -24.500 (-16.800)

    http://stat.gov.pl/obszary-tematyczn...2018,4,76.html (pdf, page 46)
     
    https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=149776263&postcount=6425
    , @Dmitry
    That guy just invented a completely fake story. I'm talking about the guys on the Sailer forum which is a different forum and different demographic. They talk about golf courses, or have posts which are directly saying about how their lawns indicate their level of civilization. At the same time none of them can know outside their own language, or seem to follow basic statistics. It is a very petit bourgeois American environment.
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  185. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronFalcon
    Controversial question, but could you consider the topic of the Russian prostitute?
    I consider them a bit of a stain on Russia’s rep, especially on their women, who generally are much more conservative and traditional than in the west, who complain if affects the way foreigners see them.
    Why it happened in the 90s is understandable, but why are so many doing still, especially in places like London, just so they can afford new handbags and a car? If Russia wants to return to be a more traditional state, surely having its women sell themselves for foreign currency in a country that doesn’t respect them (London) is a no!
    For us Russian speakers the website http://ruschippies.com/analysis/ might help, although its a bit hyperbolic.

    Through one clever trick, thots in the West are much upgraded. Instead of trading sex for money(and later status), they inflict abuse for money and status.

    Aren’t you enjoying it?

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  186. @utu
    Are there more Russian prostitutes than Americans? American one do not have to go abroad because the pay is good in the US. So you do not see them abroad. Is being a prostitute for foreigners worse than for your compatriots? Do you expect prostitutes to have a higher moral code than, say, Polish plumbers? Who care?

    But if you posed the question in terms of number of betrayals, divorces and abortions among normal women in Russia and, say, France if you had data for it, it would be an interesting question. Bolshevism destroyed many aspects of morality including concerning the sexual mores. Did the path to 'slutdome' via Bolshevism was faster than via liberal democracy? Does bringing back Christianity in Russia bring also a moral health? Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now? Could you trust them more? Are they a better material for wives and mothers?

    I am almost certain there are more Russian prostitutes than American ones.

    Beyond what I said in my previous post, there’s the fact that many prostitutes working in America are foreign. Not just Russian (or Ukrainian), but many from Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, the Caribbean, and even Africa.

    Since prostitution is illegal everywhere in America outside of Nevada (where it however barred in Clark County), this serves as an additional disincentive for American women to become hookers (though of course this has never stopped blacks).

    Prostitution is much more lucrative in America than in Western Europe (about 3x higher wages for hookers), but also much more dangerous.

    That said a form of quasi-prostitution is going increasingly mainstream in America known as “sugaring”. Young women, generally but not always college students, sign up for Sugar Baby dating websites to meet older men with resources. The classic money for honey trade.

    This is the main Sugar Baby “dating” website: https://seekingarrangement.com/

    Though you can actually get laid off of these websites without paying girls a cent if you’re handsome and charismatic.

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    As a woman noted on iSteve, the great part about being a whore in the US is that you get to profit twice from it: first from the benefits of gaining the favor of the man in question, and then by suing him for #MeToo.
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  187. @Thorfinnsson
    I am almost certain there are more Russian prostitutes than American ones.

    Beyond what I said in my previous post, there's the fact that many prostitutes working in America are foreign. Not just Russian (or Ukrainian), but many from Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, the Caribbean, and even Africa.

    Since prostitution is illegal everywhere in America outside of Nevada (where it however barred in Clark County), this serves as an additional disincentive for American women to become hookers (though of course this has never stopped blacks).

    Prostitution is much more lucrative in America than in Western Europe (about 3x higher wages for hookers), but also much more dangerous.

    That said a form of quasi-prostitution is going increasingly mainstream in America known as "sugaring". Young women, generally but not always college students, sign up for Sugar Baby dating websites to meet older men with resources. The classic money for honey trade.

    This is the main Sugar Baby "dating" website: https://seekingarrangement.com/

    Though you can actually get laid off of these websites without paying girls a cent if you're handsome and charismatic.

    As a woman noted on iSteve, the great part about being a whore in the US is that you get to profit twice from it: first from the benefits of gaining the favor of the man in question, and then by suing him for #MeToo.

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  188. Matra says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Palme considered himself multicultural because his mother was a Baltic German, and he kept a Jewish adviser.

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.

    I forgot all about Olof Palme. I was a kid when he was killed but I can somewhat recall him being described as the ‘Pierre Trudeau of Sweden’ in Canadian media. For Sweden’s sake I hope he didn’t leave behind a politically active son.

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    His children are professors. They could in theory enter politics in the future, but probably will not.

    Palme was the last great Social Democrat in Sweden.

    His successors are largely talentless hacks with working class, trade union backgrounds. The current Prime Minister for instance, who is a complete non-entity, is foster-care bastard raised by a manual workers and started his career as a...welder.
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  189. @Mitleser

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.
     
    Does not sound so bad.
    North Vietnam was nationalist and comparing Nixon to Hitler does not make Nixon look that bad after reading this:

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.
     
    Maybe Sweden should not have saved them.
    Or at least sent them back ASAP.

    North Vietnam was rationalist relative only to South Vietnam, a comprador client state. Vietnam’s leaders were committed to Marxism-Leninism and the Revolution, and in 1989 they even attempted to organize a global conference to save world socialism.

    Sweden (and Norway) giving aid to North Vietnam (and, let’s not forget, the African National Congress) is typical of the infantile [email protected]#$ YOU DAD school of leftism that became dominant in the 1960s. Certainly after August 22, 1939 no one had a right to have any illusions after the nature of communism. The best you could say was that it was possible to do business with them, and the communist world turned out not to be monolithic.

    I don’t think being compared to Hitler should be insulting, but in practice it is and that’s obviously what Palme intended. Nixon was no angel to say the least, but he struggled to end the Vietnam War without covering America in disgrace. Was that worth another 20,000 American boys dying? Probably not, but that’s an order of magnitude different from attempting to conquer Europe (among other things).

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  190. @Matra
    I forgot all about Olof Palme. I was a kid when he was killed but I can somewhat recall him being described as the 'Pierre Trudeau of Sweden' in Canadian media. For Sweden's sake I hope he didn't leave behind a politically active son.

    His children are professors. They could in theory enter politics in the future, but probably will not.

    Palme was the last great Social Democrat in Sweden.

    His successors are largely talentless hacks with working class, trade union backgrounds. The current Prime Minister for instance, who is a complete non-entity, is foster-care bastard raised by a manual workers and started his career as a…welder.

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    I’m not particularly a fan of Sweden and their politics (I much prefer Denmark) but more politicians having working class roots is a good thing, not a bad thing. We need more welders and people like that in office.
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  191. Mitleser says:
    @Matra
    There’s also a kind of Western petite bourgeois attitude of people like the Steve Sailor blog, where they think that cleanness of streets, or how the lawn of the golf course is cut, is a sign of civilization.



    How do such “clean” Americans imagine the garbage situation was of London of Shakespeare, or Florence of Renaissance, or Athens of Aristophanes?

    Still reeling over Polish Perspective saying parts of Israel were a dump?

    But it is a strong, growing dump!

    I don’t think its necessarily an entirely technocratic question as opposed to a cultural one. Israel’s case is noteworthy because its high fertility rate doesn’t find its origins in Muslim or ultra-orthodox Jewish population.
    FR breakdown for Israel:
    Israeli Arabs (20% of the population): 3.11
    Haredi (ultra-orthodox, 12% of the population): 6.7
    Orthodox: 4.2
    Traditional (observant): 3.1
    Traditional (non-observant): 2.6
    Secular: 2.1

    In the case of the last three the FRs, rather curiously, are rising, and for the first two, falling.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-what-not-to-learn-from-israel-s-unusual-baby-boom-1.6115487

    https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/47585408/

    Meanwhile in Poland

    April 2018 vs April 2017
    Births: 32.000 (+1.700, +5,9%)…………………10,0 (9,4)
    Deaths: 36.000 (+5.900, +19,6%)……………….11,2 (9,4)

    January – April 2018

    Births: 128.700 (-1.600, – 1,2%)……………..10,0 (10,2)
    Deaths: 153.200 (+6.100, +4,1%)…………..12,0 (11,5)

    Balance: -24.500 (-16.800)

    http://stat.gov.pl/obszary-tematyczn…2018,4,76.html (pdf, page 46)

    https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=149776263&postcount=6425

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    The exact figures are hard to come by but, based on its below replacement
    fertility rate, Germany is losing 200,000 - 250,000 ethnic Germans a year.
    There's of course also emigration.

    Due to the 500+ program (about $125 a month for each additional child
    beyond the first), Poland has rather quickly raised its abysmal TFR to
    something more manageable, about 1.45, and its TFR is still continuing
    to rise. Hence the program, although very expensive, appears to be
    working.
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  192. @The Big Red Scary
    That is sad. I thought that at some point Koko had found a man, so to speak, but apparently it didn’t go anywhere.

    In other news, I’m just back from a conference in a certain vibrant North American city where they celebrate “Pride month”.

    Where do I sign up for NRx?

    Where do I sign up for NRx?

    We’ll find you if you read old books, live well, and get into a position of influence. The Eye of Soros cannot destroy what it cannot find.

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    The Eye of Soros cannot destroy what it cannot find.
     
    Well, doesn't NRx have the Hand of Thiel? But who really controls the Palantir?

    read old books, live well, and get into a position of influence.
     
    I do read many old books, though the intersection between my library and Moldbug's is, I suspect, small. I am however content for my influence to remain scientific and communal rather than political, so I am unlikely to be found by either the Eye of Soros or the Hand of Thiel.
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  193. This never gets old :D

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    Is this about the Mexican restaurant refusing to serve her...? Or am I thinking about something differently?
    , @Mitleser
    Entertainer-in-Chief strikes again.
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  194. @Thorfinnsson
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011212766487728133

    This never gets old :D

    Is this about the Mexican restaurant refusing to serve her…? Or am I thinking about something differently?

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    You're confusing the ejection of Huck-san from a restaurant with DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen being confronted by protesters at a Mexican restaurant who kept yelling SHAME at her.

    Huck-san was dining (no doubt she loves dining...) at a restaurant called the Red Hen, and some of the owner's sodomite and illegal alien employees complained about her presence. The owner then ejected her, and Huck-san Tweeted about it (which is now being called an ethics violation lol).

    Trump as usual is being a bull in a China shop.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Its basically this:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-24/maxine-waters-orders-if-you-see-anybody-trump-cabinet-create-crowd-and-push-back

    Essentially they want a "right to exclude" various government agencies for the uncoolness of being part of the Trump administration, and refusing to put in a "right to include" the entire world into the nation at whim. It must be understood that a degenerate faggot is superior in moral virtue and purity to anyone who works for Trump, thus why Christian bakers must produce propaganda for same-self marriages.

    Its the final triumph of new logical thinking. Doublelogic?
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  195. Mitleser says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011212766487728133

    This never gets old :D

    Entertainer-in-Chief strikes again.

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  196. @Hyperborean
    Is this about the Mexican restaurant refusing to serve her...? Or am I thinking about something differently?

    You’re confusing the ejection of Huck-san from a restaurant with DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen being confronted by protesters at a Mexican restaurant who kept yelling SHAME at her.

    Huck-san was dining (no doubt she loves dining…) at a restaurant called the Red Hen, and some of the owner’s sodomite and illegal alien employees complained about her presence. The owner then ejected her, and Huck-san Tweeted about it (which is now being called an ethics violation lol).

    Trump as usual is being a bull in a China shop.

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    It seems rather mild in my opinion (if the restaurant is so dirty then why did his subordinate want to eat there...?), I think Trump has said more biting things in the past.

    If, as you said, the restaurant was employing illegals and they were partly to blame for her getting kicked out, wouldn't it have created a bigger uproar (a positive thing in this situation) if he had criticised that instead? It would also fit well with his political rhetoric.
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  197. @Hyperborean
    Is this about the Mexican restaurant refusing to serve her...? Or am I thinking about something differently?

    Its basically this:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-24/maxine-waters-orders-if-you-see-anybody-trump-cabinet-create-crowd-and-push-back

    Essentially they want a “right to exclude” various government agencies for the uncoolness of being part of the Trump administration, and refusing to put in a “right to include” the entire world into the nation at whim. It must be understood that a degenerate faggot is superior in moral virtue and purity to anyone who works for Trump, thus why Christian bakers must produce propaganda for same-self marriages.

    Its the final triumph of new logical thinking. Doublelogic?

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  198. Latvia school language reform irks Russian minority, backed by Jewish community

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-latvia-school-language-reform-infuriates-russian-minority/

    None of the other — considerably smaller — minorities have expressed concern over the new legislation, which is actively supported by Jewish groups and the Congress of Ukrainians in Latvia.

    Speaking to AFP, Riga’s Chief Rabbi Menachem Barkahan said the language reform would definitely help students from minority groups when it came to higher education.

    “When I visit Israel, I see the following problem: with Arabic granted status as the second official language in Israel, many Palestinian kids become disadvantaged when they are not required to be fluent in Hebrew and later have problems attending college,” he said.

    “Latvia’s education reforms will help prevent a similar situation.”

    They really shouldn’t stick their noses into places where they don’t belong.

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  199. Russia meets a second class team, as opposed to a third class Arab one, and starts getting beaten hard.

    So, exactly as I expected and predicted.

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    Russia meets a second class team, as opposed to a third class Arab one, and starts getting beaten hard.

    So, exactly as I expected and predicted.
     
    Yes, and I agree. Although who do we know who has a different perspective? I think it is a quite mainstream view.

    As for the 1/16 round - the most probably result is a defeat. But with the high-randomness of football, there is always a possibility.
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  200. @Thorfinnsson
    You're confusing the ejection of Huck-san from a restaurant with DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen being confronted by protesters at a Mexican restaurant who kept yelling SHAME at her.

    Huck-san was dining (no doubt she loves dining...) at a restaurant called the Red Hen, and some of the owner's sodomite and illegal alien employees complained about her presence. The owner then ejected her, and Huck-san Tweeted about it (which is now being called an ethics violation lol).

    Trump as usual is being a bull in a China shop.

    It seems rather mild in my opinion (if the restaurant is so dirty then why did his subordinate want to eat there…?), I think Trump has said more biting things in the past.

    If, as you said, the restaurant was employing illegals and they were partly to blame for her getting kicked out, wouldn’t it have created a bigger uproar (a positive thing in this situation) if he had criticised that instead? It would also fit well with his political rhetoric.

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  201. @Beckow

    In Poland USA 70% positive - Russia only 24%; in Serbia Russia 90%, USA 24%. In Hungary USA 45%, Russia 38%.
     
    Seems about right. The differences in attitudes are quite dramatic. Czech Republic and Slovakia are roughly reversed, with Czechs about 20% more pro-USA and less pro-Russia than Slovaks. This has held since at least WWII and explains the country split in 1993.

    There are also strong within country variances: capitol cities are more pro-West (US) than provinces. Prague is crazily pro-US, rest of the country is evenly split.

    With these attitudes, only Poland could be relied on to be fully behind any attack on Russia. Even Romania, Hungary, Croatia are iffy, and they willingly participated in the WWII attack. I suspect we will get more devilish acts and more propaganda to fix the numbers. And yet, after 20+ years of in-house propaganda domination, if West can only count on the hapless Poles, what was the money spent on? And Poles were already itching to fight Russia, I am not sure all that propaganda has increased it by much.

    I sometimes think it is idiots from Washington, Berlin, Brussels trying to noisily manipulate the local morons, with most people standing aside. How far can they take this madness?

    Beckow,

    No, the Czech – Slovak split was in the opposite direction right after WWII. The communists won the 1948 free election in the Czech lands and lost in Slovakia.

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    communists won the 1948 free election in the Czech lands and lost in Slovakia
     
    That election was in 1946 (not 1948). Why are you identifying communist support and Russia? They were not the same. There was a correlation but an equally strong reason was the fact that Slovaks were more religious. A lot more religious, so voting for communism was not an option for many who otherwise had leftist sympathies.

    Communists in Czech R. got over 40% and won. In Slovakia they got 30%., relatively comparable.
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  202. @Thorfinnsson
    His children are professors. They could in theory enter politics in the future, but probably will not.

    Palme was the last great Social Democrat in Sweden.

    His successors are largely talentless hacks with working class, trade union backgrounds. The current Prime Minister for instance, who is a complete non-entity, is foster-care bastard raised by a manual workers and started his career as a...welder.

    I’m not particularly a fan of Sweden and their politics (I much prefer Denmark) but more politicians having working class roots is a good thing, not a bad thing. We need more welders and people like that in office.

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    [M]ore politicians having working class roots is a good thing, not a bad thing. We need more welders and people like that in office.
     
    Why? What is your reason for favouring that?
    , @Thorfinnsson
    The cream rises to the top. There's little talent in the working class, which is why they're in the working class.

    These romantic fantasies about the working class are ridiculous, particularly on an HBD-oriented blog.

    That's nothing against welders either, who are highly skilled workers.
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  203. Marcus says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Palme considered himself multicultural because his mother was a Baltic German, and he kept a Jewish adviser.

    The Jews that Sweden saved from Denmark during the war began promoting immigration all the way back in the 1950s.

    Remember this is the same blockhead who gave foreign aid to North Vietnam and compared President Nixon to Hitler.

    Who do you think offed him? I’ve heard South Africa and Yugoslavia are the two favorite candidates.

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    Yugoslavia? Why?
    , @Thorfinnsson
    I've never looked into it much.

    Based on the principle of Cui Bono, the most likely culprits are the United States, Israel, and South Africa.

    The USA and Israel strike me as more likely than South Africa, as the BOSS was much less aggressive beyond its borders than the CIA and Mossad.
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  204. Mitleser says:
    @Marcus
    Who do you think offed him? I've heard South Africa and Yugoslavia are the two favorite candidates.

    Yugoslavia? Why?

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    He was seen as too soft on nationalist emigres that Yugoslav secret police (some of the most effective assassins in history) were trying to hunt down
    https://www.thelocal.se/20110117/31488
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  205. So 99% of the ballots counted Erdogan won a narrow victory (52.54%), similar to previous elections.

    Apparently Germany-Turks came out strongly for Erdogan. Central Anatolia not sending her best…

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jun/24/turkey-elections-muharrem-ince-recep-tayyip-erdogan-polls-live-updates-2018

    Huge crowds gathered to celebrate Erdoğan’s victory and hear his speech from the party headquarters in Ankara.

    During the address, he spoke of his commitment to “fight terroristic organisations”, “to continue the fight to make the Syrian grounds freer” and to increase the “international prestige” of Turkey.

    “Our flag will flutter more freely, the peace of every citizen will be advanced,” he said, before leading the crowd in a chant of “One nation, one flag, one country, one state”.

    Given that Erdogan has praised the governmental system of National Socialist Germany before, was he being spontaneous or was he trying to upstage Hitler?

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  206. @Hector_St_Clare
    I’m not particularly a fan of Sweden and their politics (I much prefer Denmark) but more politicians having working class roots is a good thing, not a bad thing. We need more welders and people like that in office.

    [M]ore politicians having working class roots is a good thing, not a bad thing. We need more welders and people like that in office.

    Why? What is your reason for favouring that?

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    Maybe they are more grounded in reality?
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  207. @Hector_St_Clare
    I’m not particularly a fan of Sweden and their politics (I much prefer Denmark) but more politicians having working class roots is a good thing, not a bad thing. We need more welders and people like that in office.

    The cream rises to the top. There’s little talent in the working class, which is why they’re in the working class.

    These romantic fantasies about the working class are ridiculous, particularly on an HBD-oriented blog.

    That’s nothing against welders either, who are highly skilled workers.

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    I wonder what you mean by 'working class'. The notion of 'class' is a Marxist one, and the original Marxist definition is a dichotomy of those who live by selling their labor/wits and those who live by rent-seeking activities.

    We are all 'working class' today, even people like Elon Musk and Steve Jobs.

    The original Communist Manifesto was an instruction manual on how to eliminate the rent-seeking class, and as far as I can tell it has been implemented with great success in every modern country.
    , @iffen
    These romantic fantasies about the working class are ridiculous, particularly on an HBD-oriented blog.

    What is incompatible between HBD and a desire to see greater political participation by the working class?
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  208. @Marcus
    Who do you think offed him? I've heard South Africa and Yugoslavia are the two favorite candidates.

    I’ve never looked into it much.

    Based on the principle of Cui Bono, the most likely culprits are the United States, Israel, and South Africa.

    The USA and Israel strike me as more likely than South Africa, as the BOSS was much less aggressive beyond its borders than the CIA and Mossad.

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    As long as Bildt is out of the picture, it's an improvement. Having said that, he keeps popping up on respectable TV channels ponticicating and playing the elder statesman.
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  209. Dmitry says:
    @Matra
    There’s also a kind of Western petite bourgeois attitude of people like the Steve Sailor blog, where they think that cleanness of streets, or how the lawn of the golf course is cut, is a sign of civilization.



    How do such “clean” Americans imagine the garbage situation was of London of Shakespeare, or Florence of Renaissance, or Athens of Aristophanes?

    Still reeling over Polish Perspective saying parts of Israel were a dump?

    That guy just invented a completely fake story. I’m talking about the guys on the Sailer forum which is a different forum and different demographic. They talk about golf courses, or have posts which are directly saying about how their lawns indicate their level of civilization. At the same time none of them can know outside their own language, or seem to follow basic statistics. It is a very petit bourgeois American environment.

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    At the same time none of them can know outside their own language
     
    Learning another language if you're a native English speaker, especially an American, is completely unecessary and just showing off.
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  210. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Russia meets a second class team, as opposed to a third class Arab one, and starts getting beaten hard.

    So, exactly as I expected and predicted.

    Russia meets a second class team, as opposed to a third class Arab one, and starts getting beaten hard.

    So, exactly as I expected and predicted.

    Yes, and I agree. Although who do we know who has a different perspective? I think it is a quite mainstream view.

    As for the 1/16 round – the most probably result is a defeat. But with the high-randomness of football, there is always a possibility.

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  211. Marcus says:
    @Mitleser
    Yugoslavia? Why?

    He was seen as too soft on nationalist emigres that Yugoslav secret police (some of the most effective assassins in history) were trying to hunt down

    https://www.thelocal.se/20110117/31488

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    Killing him for that seems excessive.
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  212. DFH says:
    @Dmitry
    That guy just invented a completely fake story. I'm talking about the guys on the Sailer forum which is a different forum and different demographic. They talk about golf courses, or have posts which are directly saying about how their lawns indicate their level of civilization. At the same time none of them can know outside their own language, or seem to follow basic statistics. It is a very petit bourgeois American environment.

    At the same time none of them can know outside their own language

    Learning another language if you’re a native English speaker, especially an American, is completely unecessary and just showing off.

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    It can be professionally useful if you learn a niche language from a small country with an outsized role in global trade. You can make a lot of money by being a native English speaker with fluent proficiency in Swedish, Finnish, Japanese (not a niche language but hard and not commonly learned), Swiss German, and so forth (not Dutch owing to their arrogance with respect to English proficiency).

    Not very useful to learn Korean or Chinese owing to the large recent diasporas in Anglo countries. Russian also not very useful unless you want a career in the Dweeb State.

    It could be interesting learning the native languages of important countries where English proficiency is lower like French or Japanese, as that allows you to plug into a different world so to speak.

    But generally I agree.

    It's fashionable in America to lament the state of foreign language education, but if anything there's too much of it. Unless you're studying diplomacy (can you even study this?) or something similar, there shouldn't be any mandatory foreign language requirements in education at all.

    Dmitri might be making the point that Americans are insular, which is true. But that's probably more down to the continental scale of the country and being bordered by small, unimportant states.
    , @Dmitry
    Sure, and it is the same situation in other important countries/languages.

    But a side effect, when combined with this kind of bourgeois American people debating about non-American cultures, results in some very easy dissemination of fake news about other countries (e.g. prestigious America media claiming Putin as a racist nationalist - fuck have you never listened to the guy talking, and you can find a lot of people who have translated him), and a kind of false universalism attributed to things which are simply unusual features of your own culture (e.g. the view of those guys that civilization is expressed by how regularly your lawn is cut).

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  213. Dmitry says:
    @utu
    Are there more Russian prostitutes than Americans? American one do not have to go abroad because the pay is good in the US. So you do not see them abroad. Is being a prostitute for foreigners worse than for your compatriots? Do you expect prostitutes to have a higher moral code than, say, Polish plumbers? Who care?

    But if you posed the question in terms of number of betrayals, divorces and abortions among normal women in Russia and, say, France if you had data for it, it would be an interesting question. Bolshevism destroyed many aspects of morality including concerning the sexual mores. Did the path to 'slutdome' via Bolshevism was faster than via liberal democracy? Does bringing back Christianity in Russia bring also a moral health? Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now? Could you trust them more? Are they a better material for wives and mothers?

    Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now? Could you trust them more? Are they a better material for wives and mothers?

    If you ask about “women’s relationship morality”. For this kind of universal human problem, a difference within the national groups is of course larger than any difference between national groups.

    From your perspective, the relevant part is how accurately you judge character.

    If you ask about relationships in general, average marriage age is a couple of years younger, but there is not some vast difference in culture of dating between the nationalities you are discussing.

    -

    A funny thing is that some could blog about, is how in both countries (America and Russia), this year there are news headlines about studies showing that the current teenage generation are having less sex, promiscuity and drugs, than previous generations (teenagers of the 1990s and 2000s).

    Is being a prostitute for foreigners worse than for your compatriots?

    Probably a lot of people are confused by the Ukrainian ones. Clearly, the vast majority of Russian prostitutes, are working in Russia.

    However, as a percentage of the total women’s population, of course only a very small percentage are working as prostitutes (they simply have a lot of customers each one).

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    Probably a lot of people are confused by the Ukrainian ones.
     
    Russian nationalist who claim that Ukrainians do not exist would agree that it is very easy to mistake a Ukrainian whore for a Russian one.
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  214. @DFH

    At the same time none of them can know outside their own language
     
    Learning another language if you're a native English speaker, especially an American, is completely unecessary and just showing off.

    It can be professionally useful if you learn a niche language from a small country with an outsized role in global trade. You can make a lot of money by being a native English speaker with fluent proficiency in Swedish, Finnish, Japanese (not a niche language but hard and not commonly learned), Swiss German, and so forth (not Dutch owing to their arrogance with respect to English proficiency).

    Not very useful to learn Korean or Chinese owing to the large recent diasporas in Anglo countries. Russian also not very useful unless you want a career in the Dweeb State.

    It could be interesting learning the native languages of important countries where English proficiency is lower like French or Japanese, as that allows you to plug into a different world so to speak.

    But generally I agree.

    It’s fashionable in America to lament the state of foreign language education, but if anything there’s too much of it. Unless you’re studying diplomacy (can you even study this?) or something similar, there shouldn’t be any mandatory foreign language requirements in education at all.

    Dmitri might be making the point that Americans are insular, which is true. But that’s probably more down to the continental scale of the country and being bordered by small, unimportant states.

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  215. @Hyperborean

    [M]ore politicians having working class roots is a good thing, not a bad thing. We need more welders and people like that in office.
     
    Why? What is your reason for favouring that?

    Maybe they are more grounded in reality?

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    Depends on the domain. They're far more grounded in reality in the social, cultural, and religious domains. Hence why any "populist" movement relies on their votes.

    They're absolute fools on some other things. Try having a five minute conversation with a proletarian about the price of gasoline for instance.
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  216. Dmitry says:
    @DFH

    At the same time none of them can know outside their own language
     
    Learning another language if you're a native English speaker, especially an American, is completely unecessary and just showing off.

    Sure, and it is the same situation in other important countries/languages.

    But a side effect, when combined with this kind of bourgeois American people debating about non-American cultures, results in some very easy dissemination of fake news about other countries (e.g. prestigious America media claiming Putin as a racist nationalist – fuck have you never listened to the guy talking, and you can find a lot of people who have translated him), and a kind of false universalism attributed to things which are simply unusual features of your own culture (e.g. the view of those guys that civilization is expressed by how regularly your lawn is cut).

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    http://www.masters.com/en_US/course/index.html

    https://www.pebblebeach.com/golf/pebble-beach-golf-links/

    Most American municipalities have ordinances on the books requiring you to regularly mow your lawn. If you don't comply you get fined.
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  217. @Dmitry
    Sure, and it is the same situation in other important countries/languages.

    But a side effect, when combined with this kind of bourgeois American people debating about non-American cultures, results in some very easy dissemination of fake news about other countries (e.g. prestigious America media claiming Putin as a racist nationalist - fuck have you never listened to the guy talking, and you can find a lot of people who have translated him), and a kind of false universalism attributed to things which are simply unusual features of your own culture (e.g. the view of those guys that civilization is expressed by how regularly your lawn is cut).

    http://www.masters.com/en_US/course/index.html

    https://www.pebblebeach.com/golf/pebble-beach-golf-links/

    Most American municipalities have ordinances on the books requiring you to regularly mow your lawn. If you don’t comply you get fined.

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    The topic - and kind of housewife interest in those themes relating to lawns and where to throw garbage - is implausible on any intuitive psychological level. Do you think the great men which were the necessary condition for the achievements of modern civilization like Isaac Newton, for example, has cared particularly about the quality of lawns in his college?

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.

    , @g2k
    This must be a yank thing. I remember reading about a guy who dug up his front yard and planted flowers, shrubs etc there instead of having a lawn and got fined for not mowing it. Having a house with a pain lawn in England is like having RENTER tattooed on your forehead.
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  218. @Bies Podkrakowski
    Maybe they are more grounded in reality?

    Depends on the domain. They’re far more grounded in reality in the social, cultural, and religious domains. Hence why any “populist” movement relies on their votes.

    They’re absolute fools on some other things. Try having a five minute conversation with a proletarian about the price of gasoline for instance.

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    Try having a five minute conversation with a proletarian about the price of gasoline for instance.
     
    try having one with a UMC person about immigration (the won't talk to me)...


    one could say it's even worse because by your own logic the UMC person has the faculty to know better.


    right now, however, their clever plan is to physically check out of society (gates, helipads etc) when the SHTF.
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  219. Beckow says:
    @Hector_St_Clare
    Beckow,

    No, the Czech - Slovak split was in the opposite direction right after WWII. The communists won the 1948 free election in the Czech lands and lost in Slovakia.

    communists won the 1948 free election in the Czech lands and lost in Slovakia

    That election was in 1946 (not 1948). Why are you identifying communist support and Russia? They were not the same. There was a correlation but an equally strong reason was the fact that Slovaks were more religious. A lot more religious, so voting for communism was not an option for many who otherwise had leftist sympathies.

    Communists in Czech R. got over 40% and won. In Slovakia they got 30%., relatively comparable.

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  220. Mitleser says:
    @Marcus
    He was seen as too soft on nationalist emigres that Yugoslav secret police (some of the most effective assassins in history) were trying to hunt down
    https://www.thelocal.se/20110117/31488

    Killing him for that seems excessive.

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  221. @utu
    Are there more Russian prostitutes than Americans? American one do not have to go abroad because the pay is good in the US. So you do not see them abroad. Is being a prostitute for foreigners worse than for your compatriots? Do you expect prostitutes to have a higher moral code than, say, Polish plumbers? Who care?

    But if you posed the question in terms of number of betrayals, divorces and abortions among normal women in Russia and, say, France if you had data for it, it would be an interesting question. Bolshevism destroyed many aspects of morality including concerning the sexual mores. Did the path to 'slutdome' via Bolshevism was faster than via liberal democracy? Does bringing back Christianity in Russia bring also a moral health? Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now? Could you trust them more? Are they a better material for wives and mothers?

    Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now?

    My limited experience is that they are much tougher mentally, but aren’t exactly happy that they have to be.

    They also have +50% cold resistance.

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  222. g2k says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I've never looked into it much.

    Based on the principle of Cui Bono, the most likely culprits are the United States, Israel, and South Africa.

    The USA and Israel strike me as more likely than South Africa, as the BOSS was much less aggressive beyond its borders than the CIA and Mossad.

    As long as Bildt is out of the picture, it’s an improvement. Having said that, he keeps popping up on respectable TV channels ponticicating and playing the elder statesman.

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  223. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    http://www.masters.com/en_US/course/index.html

    https://www.pebblebeach.com/golf/pebble-beach-golf-links/

    Most American municipalities have ordinances on the books requiring you to regularly mow your lawn. If you don't comply you get fined.

    The topic – and kind of housewife interest in those themes relating to lawns and where to throw garbage – is implausible on any intuitive psychological level. Do you think the great men which were the necessary condition for the achievements of modern civilization like Isaac Newton, for example, has cared particularly about the quality of lawns in his college?

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.

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    I suspect that he wouldn't have cared much for the fine details, but generally appreciated living and working somewhere nice as opposed to a s...ole.

    Never knew about the waking on the grass thing there. I guess even that is insufficient for the latest sjw crybully: www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jun/23/priyamvada-gopal-cambridge-lecturer-racial-profiling-row
    Looks like the race tantrum phenomena has finally crossed the pond.
    , @DFH

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.
     
    lol, I didn't even know this. I never saw anyone walking across the lawns to get to places, but people used to have picnics on the bigger ones all the time in summer
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Many if not most of the great men in history were landed nobility and thus were greatly concerned about the quality of the grounds. Many of America's Founding Fathers were country gentlemen and expert farmers and estate managers. Take a look at Mount Vernon (George Washington) and Monticello (Thomas Jefferson) for instance.

    Do you think that Charles Gordon-Lennox, 11th Duke of Richmond, is concerned with the quality of the grounds at his family seat at Goodwood? He went on to found the Goodwood Festival of Speed, one of the most important and celebrated evens in motorsport.

    The Goodwood Estate

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Goodwood_House%2C_West_Sussex%2C_England-2Oct2011.jpg

    The typical Anglo-American elite university has a vast grounds-keeping army and has immaculate landscaping.

    Aerial View of Harvard Yard

    https://www.asla.org/uploadedImages/Guide/Boston/Neighborhoods/Cambridge_Harvard/image%201.jpg

    Ground Level View

    https://www.asla.org/uploadedImages/Guide/Boston/Neighborhoods/Cambridge_Harvard/image-4.jpg
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Charles Darwin was a dedicated gardener. Telsa was an exception in being a very strange, wild genius but I think he's an outlier, really.
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  224. g2k says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    http://www.masters.com/en_US/course/index.html

    https://www.pebblebeach.com/golf/pebble-beach-golf-links/

    Most American municipalities have ordinances on the books requiring you to regularly mow your lawn. If you don't comply you get fined.

    This must be a yank thing. I remember reading about a guy who dug up his front yard and planted flowers, shrubs etc there instead of having a lawn and got fined for not mowing it. Having a house with a pain lawn in England is like having RENTER tattooed on your forehead.

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    I suspect it stems from the American custom of not fencing or hedging our yards.

    Gardening is done, but not on the English scale. Typically some bushes and flower beds directly adjacent to the house itself. In the past decade, occasionally a vegetable garden.

    The large yards relative to Europe also create enough space to play sports in your yard, which is pretty commonly done at outdoor cookouts. Very common to toss around a football (American), baseball, or frisbee.

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  225. @g2k
    This must be a yank thing. I remember reading about a guy who dug up his front yard and planted flowers, shrubs etc there instead of having a lawn and got fined for not mowing it. Having a house with a pain lawn in England is like having RENTER tattooed on your forehead.

    I suspect it stems from the American custom of not fencing or hedging our yards.

    Gardening is done, but not on the English scale. Typically some bushes and flower beds directly adjacent to the house itself. In the past decade, occasionally a vegetable garden.

    The large yards relative to Europe also create enough space to play sports in your yard, which is pretty commonly done at outdoor cookouts. Very common to toss around a football (American), baseball, or frisbee.

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  226. @Hyperborean

    Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan?
     
    Far from it, the Mongolians are very healthy, they celebrate the era when the Mongol race was of world-historical importance.

    Giant statue of Genghis Khan around 54 kilometres away from the capital:

    https://i2.wp.com/suchanicelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/P5300096.jpg

    I understand them; if I was Greek I would certainly build giant statue(s) to Alexander the Great.

    This is great. Germany should erect a similar statue to AH

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    Alternate History?

    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZCXDXYESL.jpg
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  227. g2k says:
    @Dmitry
    The topic - and kind of housewife interest in those themes relating to lawns and where to throw garbage - is implausible on any intuitive psychological level. Do you think the great men which were the necessary condition for the achievements of modern civilization like Isaac Newton, for example, has cared particularly about the quality of lawns in his college?

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.

    I suspect that he wouldn’t have cared much for the fine details, but generally appreciated living and working somewhere nice as opposed to a s…ole.

    Never knew about the waking on the grass thing there. I guess even that is insufficient for the latest sjw crybully: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jun/23/priyamvada-gopal-cambridge-lecturer-racial-profiling-row
    Looks like the race tantrum phenomena has finally crossed the pond.

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  228. DFH says:
    @Dmitry
    The topic - and kind of housewife interest in those themes relating to lawns and where to throw garbage - is implausible on any intuitive psychological level. Do you think the great men which were the necessary condition for the achievements of modern civilization like Isaac Newton, for example, has cared particularly about the quality of lawns in his college?

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.

    lol, I didn’t even know this. I never saw anyone walking across the lawns to get to places, but people used to have picnics on the bigger ones all the time in summer

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    lol, I didn’t even know this. I never saw anyone walking across the lawns to get to places, but people used to have picnics on the bigger ones all the time in summer

     

    There's also Fellows' Garden in many colleges. This is a special garden in which only "fellows" (academics) can enter.
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  229. @Dmitry
    The topic - and kind of housewife interest in those themes relating to lawns and where to throw garbage - is implausible on any intuitive psychological level. Do you think the great men which were the necessary condition for the achievements of modern civilization like Isaac Newton, for example, has cared particularly about the quality of lawns in his college?

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.

    Many if not most of the great men in history were landed nobility and thus were greatly concerned about the quality of the grounds. Many of America’s Founding Fathers were country gentlemen and expert farmers and estate managers. Take a look at Mount Vernon (George Washington) and Monticello (Thomas Jefferson) for instance.

    Do you think that Charles Gordon-Lennox, 11th Duke of Richmond, is concerned with the quality of the grounds at his family seat at Goodwood? He went on to found the Goodwood Festival of Speed, one of the most important and celebrated evens in motorsport.

    The Goodwood Estate

    The typical Anglo-American elite university has a vast grounds-keeping army and has immaculate landscaping.

    Aerial View of Harvard Yard

    Ground Level View

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    The typical Anglo-American elite university has a vast grounds-keeping army and has immaculate landscaping.

     

    For me, the American universities (externally) - a kind of weak imitation of the original (authentically beautiful) English universities.

    Especially some ones like Princeton, look as fake as the Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas or, (it's not only an American problem), Embankment Brugge of Yoshkar-Ola.

    Do you think that Charles Gordon-Lennox, 11th Duke of Richmond, is concerned with the quality of the grounds at his family seat at Goodwood? He went on to found the Goodwood Festival of Speed, one of the most important and celebrated evens in motorsport.

     

    These often (usually) are idiots (below average people), who distantly and as a result of random probability were born with family that once had successful ancestors, hundreds of years in the past (usually these ancestors were merchants, but a minority became powerful on lawnless battlefields of an era before gardening was fashionable).

    Although perhaps my comments seemed unappreciative. The genetic gardening skills of English people is something impressive, but in this case the talented creative professionals creating gardens are usually not the same people as the private owner of the garden (who might be a genetic outlier, with no gardening talent themselves).
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  230. @Dmitry
    The topic - and kind of housewife interest in those themes relating to lawns and where to throw garbage - is implausible on any intuitive psychological level. Do you think the great men which were the necessary condition for the achievements of modern civilization like Isaac Newton, for example, has cared particularly about the quality of lawns in his college?

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.

    Charles Darwin was a dedicated gardener. Telsa was an exception in being a very strange, wild genius but I think he’s an outlier, really.

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    Almost all famous mathematicians and physicists, are famous for the disorderedness in their domestic tasks (which are better to give to their wife).

    Darwin is a naturalist, so a different case - and he was English, so he would have an usual genetic talent for gardening.

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  231. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Charles Darwin was a dedicated gardener. Telsa was an exception in being a very strange, wild genius but I think he's an outlier, really.

    Almost all famous mathematicians and physicists, are famous for the disorderedness in their domestic tasks (which are better to give to their wife).

    Darwin is a naturalist, so a different case – and he was English, so he would have an usual genetic talent for gardening.

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  232. Dmitry says:
    @DFH

    Although there is a subtle custom to show the higher status of the smartest people in both Oxford University and Cambridge University now, that only professors are allowed to walk on their college lawns.
     
    lol, I didn't even know this. I never saw anyone walking across the lawns to get to places, but people used to have picnics on the bigger ones all the time in summer

    lol, I didn’t even know this. I never saw anyone walking across the lawns to get to places, but people used to have picnics on the bigger ones all the time in summer

    There’s also Fellows’ Garden in many colleges. This is a special garden in which only “fellows” (academics) can enter.

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  233. Mitleser says:
    @Guillaume Tell
    This is great. Germany should erect a similar statue to AH

    Alternate History?

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    They could have an epic large statue of him immortalizing his last known action. If done well, the exit wound could be managed as a large fountain of sorts...

    Peace.
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  234. Mitleser says:

    I am kind of surprised that Algeria is getting away with that.

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    Algeria offering free eugenic improvement to migrants.
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  235. @Mitleser
    I am kind of surprised that Algeria is getting away with that.

    https://twitter.com/joshua_landis/status/1011151999247712257

    Algeria offering free eugenic improvement to migrants.

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  236. @Hyperborean

    Are the Mongols traumatized as a result of Gengis Khan?
     
    Far from it, the Mongolians are very healthy, they celebrate the era when the Mongol race was of world-historical importance.

    Giant statue of Genghis Khan around 54 kilometres away from the capital:

    https://i2.wp.com/suchanicelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/P5300096.jpg

    I understand them; if I was Greek I would certainly build giant statue(s) to Alexander the Great.

    I understand them; if I was Greek I would certainly build giant statue(s) to Alexander the Great.

    The Slav Macedonians did.

    Skopje is a bizarre city – poor and polluted but covered with newly built neoclassical palaces and innumerable monuments to any semi-famous historical or modern person related to it (Alexander is unrelated though – his kingdom was almost all in the territory of Greece, and Slavs came to the place long after him). A legacy of a crazy nationalistic and spendthrift government of late 2000s – 2010s. I recommend curiosity-seeking readers to make a trip there when the weather isn’t too hot.

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  237. @Thorfinnsson
    The cream rises to the top. There's little talent in the working class, which is why they're in the working class.

    These romantic fantasies about the working class are ridiculous, particularly on an HBD-oriented blog.

    That's nothing against welders either, who are highly skilled workers.

    I wonder what you mean by ‘working class’. The notion of ‘class’ is a Marxist one, and the original Marxist definition is a dichotomy of those who live by selling their labor/wits and those who live by rent-seeking activities.

    We are all ‘working class’ today, even people like Elon Musk and Steve Jobs.

    The original Communist Manifesto was an instruction manual on how to eliminate the rent-seeking class, and as far as I can tell it has been implemented with great success in every modern country.

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    The original Communist Manifesto was an instruction manual on how to eliminate the rent-seeking class
     
    What is Microsoft and their licensing agreements? What are venture capitalists?

    I agree that "rent-seeking" in land-ownership has been heavily reduced, but its has just moved to intellectual property instead. Banking is pretty much rent-seeking and the use of migratory and interchangeable workers enabled by expensive capital machinery is pretty much the rule of agribusiness.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Working-class in the sense that it's employed in America. "Blue collar" (i.e. manual work of some kind) in exchange for an hourly wage.
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  238. @anonymous coward
    I wonder what you mean by 'working class'. The notion of 'class' is a Marxist one, and the original Marxist definition is a dichotomy of those who live by selling their labor/wits and those who live by rent-seeking activities.

    We are all 'working class' today, even people like Elon Musk and Steve Jobs.

    The original Communist Manifesto was an instruction manual on how to eliminate the rent-seeking class, and as far as I can tell it has been implemented with great success in every modern country.

    The original Communist Manifesto was an instruction manual on how to eliminate the rent-seeking class

    What is Microsoft and their licensing agreements? What are venture capitalists?

    I agree that “rent-seeking” in land-ownership has been heavily reduced, but its has just moved to intellectual property instead. Banking is pretty much rent-seeking and the use of migratory and interchangeable workers enabled by expensive capital machinery is pretty much the rule of agribusiness.

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    What is Microsoft and their licensing agreements? What are venture capitalists?
     
    Right. But Bill Gates is himself just another hired employee, he doesn't personally own Microsoft's IP.
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  239. Most American universities are laid out on the plan established by Thomas Jefferson for the University of Virginia. This made a central quadrangle the focus of organization.

    Noblemen usually aren’t idiots because of survivorship bias. Charles Gordon-Lennox is to be commended for his achievements in motorsport. Charles Gordon-Lennox’s lineage isn’t terribly impressive either in that the seat derives from one of Charles II’s bastards.

    Obviously when you are managing an estate, it’s unlikely that you yourself are the landscape architect. That doesn’t make you unconcerned with the results. Consider the role of Renaissance Popes in driving artists to greatness, or more recently Steve Jobs at Apple.

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  240. @anonymous coward
    I wonder what you mean by 'working class'. The notion of 'class' is a Marxist one, and the original Marxist definition is a dichotomy of those who live by selling their labor/wits and those who live by rent-seeking activities.

    We are all 'working class' today, even people like Elon Musk and Steve Jobs.

    The original Communist Manifesto was an instruction manual on how to eliminate the rent-seeking class, and as far as I can tell it has been implemented with great success in every modern country.

    Working-class in the sense that it’s employed in America. “Blue collar” (i.e. manual work of some kind) in exchange for an hourly wage.

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  241. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Many if not most of the great men in history were landed nobility and thus were greatly concerned about the quality of the grounds. Many of America's Founding Fathers were country gentlemen and expert farmers and estate managers. Take a look at Mount Vernon (George Washington) and Monticello (Thomas Jefferson) for instance.

    Do you think that Charles Gordon-Lennox, 11th Duke of Richmond, is concerned with the quality of the grounds at his family seat at Goodwood? He went on to found the Goodwood Festival of Speed, one of the most important and celebrated evens in motorsport.

    The Goodwood Estate

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Goodwood_House%2C_West_Sussex%2C_England-2Oct2011.jpg

    The typical Anglo-American elite university has a vast grounds-keeping army and has immaculate landscaping.

    Aerial View of Harvard Yard

    https://www.asla.org/uploadedImages/Guide/Boston/Neighborhoods/Cambridge_Harvard/image%201.jpg

    Ground Level View

    https://www.asla.org/uploadedImages/Guide/Boston/Neighborhoods/Cambridge_Harvard/image-4.jpg

    The typical Anglo-American elite university has a vast grounds-keeping army and has immaculate landscaping.

    For me, the American universities (externally) – a kind of weak imitation of the original (authentically beautiful) English universities.

    Especially some ones like Princeton, look as fake as the Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas or, (it’s not only an American problem), Embankment Brugge of Yoshkar-Ola.

    Do you think that Charles Gordon-Lennox, 11th Duke of Richmond, is concerned with the quality of the grounds at his family seat at Goodwood? He went on to found the Goodwood Festival of Speed, one of the most important and celebrated evens in motorsport.

    These often (usually) are idiots (below average people), who distantly and as a result of random probability were born with family that once had successful ancestors, hundreds of years in the past (usually these ancestors were merchants, but a minority became powerful on lawnless battlefields of an era before gardening was fashionable).

    Although perhaps my comments seemed unappreciative. The genetic gardening skills of English people is something impressive, but in this case the talented creative professionals creating gardens are usually not the same people as the private owner of the garden (who might be a genetic outlier, with no gardening talent themselves).

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    The most famous blogger Varlamov this week has been posting photos (and video above) of the park jubilee of Volgograd.

    It has to be admitted, that the city needs the help of English people (who could have been found and captured among visiting football fans).

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/19.jpg

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/15.jpg

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/21.jpg

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/22.jpg
    , @Daniel Chieh

    These often (usually) are idiots (below average people), who distantly and as a result of random probability were born with family that once had successful ancestors, hundreds of years in the past
     
    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.
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  242. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    The typical Anglo-American elite university has a vast grounds-keeping army and has immaculate landscaping.

     

    For me, the American universities (externally) - a kind of weak imitation of the original (authentically beautiful) English universities.

    Especially some ones like Princeton, look as fake as the Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas or, (it's not only an American problem), Embankment Brugge of Yoshkar-Ola.

    Do you think that Charles Gordon-Lennox, 11th Duke of Richmond, is concerned with the quality of the grounds at his family seat at Goodwood? He went on to found the Goodwood Festival of Speed, one of the most important and celebrated evens in motorsport.

     

    These often (usually) are idiots (below average people), who distantly and as a result of random probability were born with family that once had successful ancestors, hundreds of years in the past (usually these ancestors were merchants, but a minority became powerful on lawnless battlefields of an era before gardening was fashionable).

    Although perhaps my comments seemed unappreciative. The genetic gardening skills of English people is something impressive, but in this case the talented creative professionals creating gardens are usually not the same people as the private owner of the garden (who might be a genetic outlier, with no gardening talent themselves).

    The most famous blogger Varlamov this week has been posting photos (and video above) of the park jubilee of Volgograd.

    It has to be admitted, that the city needs the help of English people (who could have been found and captured among visiting football fans).

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    Dislike the first pic, but the rest looks okay.

    Leave the English, capture Varlamov and let him "fix" it.
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  243. Mitleser says:
    @Dmitry
    The most famous blogger Varlamov this week has been posting photos (and video above) of the park jubilee of Volgograd.

    It has to be admitted, that the city needs the help of English people (who could have been found and captured among visiting football fans).

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/19.jpg

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/15.jpg

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/21.jpg

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/22.jpg

    Dislike the first pic, but the rest looks okay.

    Leave the English, capture Varlamov and let him “fix” it.

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    Lol I think we can predict that Varlamov has even less skill for gardening than he does for cutting his hair.

    But who needs an English gardening, when you have a view of giant Lenin's ass.

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/01.jpg

    Or the snail sculpture...

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/30.jpg


    -

    Seriously though, I find this standard post-apocalyptic urban environment more beautiful than the campuses of American Ivy League colleges, but to explain why - rationally - I cannot.
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  244. Dmitry says:
    @Mitleser
    Dislike the first pic, but the rest looks okay.

    Leave the English, capture Varlamov and let him "fix" it.

    Lol I think we can predict that Varlamov has even less skill for gardening than he does for cutting his hair.

    But who needs an English gardening, when you have a view of giant Lenin’s ass.

    Or the snail sculpture…

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    Seriously though, I find this standard post-apocalyptic urban environment more beautiful than the campuses of American Ivy League colleges, but to explain why – rationally – I cannot.

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    Decaying urban environment has a more interesting character.

    My favorite building in my city is a high-rise building is a high-rise bunker.
    It is so tough that they did not destroy it despite its central location.
    Nowadays, it is abandoned and surrounded by flora.

    http://www.bunker-whv.de/bunkerbraunschweig/braunschweigsalzgittertour040612/raddatz040612%20010.jpg


    The Lenin statue should lose its head.

    https://187011.selcdn.ru/thumbnails/photos/l/o/h/loh52b2e226f2754_1024.jpg

    https://187011.selcdn.ru/thumbnails/photos/x/o/j/xoj52b30e15221e6_1024.jpg
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    Seriously though, I find this standard post-apocalyptic urban environment more beautiful than the campuses of American Ivy League colleges, but to explain why – rationally – I cannot.
     
    Ruinenwert.
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  245. @Dmitry

    The typical Anglo-American elite university has a vast grounds-keeping army and has immaculate landscaping.

     

    For me, the American universities (externally) - a kind of weak imitation of the original (authentically beautiful) English universities.

    Especially some ones like Princeton, look as fake as the Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas or, (it's not only an American problem), Embankment Brugge of Yoshkar-Ola.

    Do you think that Charles Gordon-Lennox, 11th Duke of Richmond, is concerned with the quality of the grounds at his family seat at Goodwood? He went on to found the Goodwood Festival of Speed, one of the most important and celebrated evens in motorsport.

     

    These often (usually) are idiots (below average people), who distantly and as a result of random probability were born with family that once had successful ancestors, hundreds of years in the past (usually these ancestors were merchants, but a minority became powerful on lawnless battlefields of an era before gardening was fashionable).

    Although perhaps my comments seemed unappreciative. The genetic gardening skills of English people is something impressive, but in this case the talented creative professionals creating gardens are usually not the same people as the private owner of the garden (who might be a genetic outlier, with no gardening talent themselves).

    These often (usually) are idiots (below average people), who distantly and as a result of random probability were born with family that once had successful ancestors, hundreds of years in the past

    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.

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    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.

     

    Perhaps when court games and politics still existed, which was a lot of generations ago.

    Stereotypes you can hear today, from people whose parents sent them permanently to a school in England, is that the stupid kids in their class are usually ones with those kinds of famous parents. The more adequate students are usually people with the more normal families - at least in a stereotypical view.

    , @DFH

    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.
     
    Not true. Noble executions were very rare, even under the most tyrannical kings like Henry VIII, and could be avoided just by keeping your head down. A much bigger threat was probably downwards social mobility due to mismanagement or bad luck.
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  246. Rosie says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The more affluent the society and the greater the emphasis placed on women's rights, the sharper gender differentiation is. And this makes women less willing to engage in transactional sex (not just hooking, but also Beta Bux providers).

    Russians are also known for being materialists who are very interested in acquiring luxury goods.

    And then there's the fact that once you turn down that road as a woman, coming back is difficult.

    And this makes women less willing to engage in transactional sex (not just hooking, but also Beta Bux providers).

    Thorfinnsson,

    FYI:

    https://psychcentral.com/news/2012/04/18/lack-of-men-leads-women-to-choose-career-over-family/37500.html

    I think we still need to figure out which direction the arrow of causation points.

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    Both can simultaneously be true.

    The girls on college campuses dealing with a shortage of men are having sex. But they're not having transactional sex or forming stable relationships (too much competition).

    I've seen reports that China's male surplus is strengthening monogamy and family formation, relatively speaking.

    The 1920s is remembered as a time of sexual decadence, particularly in Europe. Probably has something to do with the demographics of the period.
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  247. Talha says:
    @Mitleser
    Alternate History?

    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZCXDXYESL.jpg

    They could have an epic large statue of him immortalizing his last known action. If done well, the exit wound could be managed as a large fountain of sorts…

    Peace.

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  248. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    These often (usually) are idiots (below average people), who distantly and as a result of random probability were born with family that once had successful ancestors, hundreds of years in the past
     
    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.

    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.

    Perhaps when court games and politics still existed, which was a lot of generations ago.

    Stereotypes you can hear today, from people whose parents sent them permanently to a school in England, is that the stupid kids in their class are usually ones with those kinds of famous parents. The more adequate students are usually people with the more normal families – at least in a stereotypical view.

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    I also believe in all propaganda I read.

    I can tell you stories of hilarious, terribly incompetent and truly depraved kids of aristocratic origin(I actually know a particularly ridiculous one, I might share here someday), but a lot of it is that it just stands out in our memory/availability cascade. Also their epic fails are more epic because they have resources to do so.

    But the vast majority in my experience, even those with problems, tend to be overall fairly competent.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    The nobility are obviously considerably brighter than the proles (perhaps 110 average IQ). Successful rich (so clever) men marrying into the nobility has been a staple of European life for centuries. This impression also syncs with real life.

    Even on this very board, which is full of high quality people, at least two three - AP, Thorfinnsson, and Daniel Chieh - have impressive aristocratic pedigrees. So did a Romanian reader with whom I met up in Bucharest, who apart from coming from a boyar family was also personally highly successful as an investment banker (despite his family's entire fortune having been destroyed in the 1940s due to obvious reasons).
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  249. @Dmitry

    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.

     

    Perhaps when court games and politics still existed, which was a lot of generations ago.

    Stereotypes you can hear today, from people whose parents sent them permanently to a school in England, is that the stupid kids in their class are usually ones with those kinds of famous parents. The more adequate students are usually people with the more normal families - at least in a stereotypical view.

    I also believe in all propaganda I read.

    I can tell you stories of hilarious, terribly incompetent and truly depraved kids of aristocratic origin(I actually know a particularly ridiculous one, I might share here someday), but a lot of it is that it just stands out in our memory/availability cascade. Also their epic fails are more epic because they have resources to do so.

    But the vast majority in my experience, even those with problems, tend to be overall fairly competent.

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    Maybe I'm writing a little confusedly.

    I know a couple of people who have been in schools with stupid kids from these kind of strange parents (where they had classes all day living in the same place with kids of the exactly particular background Thorfinnssons talks about in his post).

    On related topics, I have a personal experience of this as well with a really funny German example of this, but I won't add more.

    I wasn't talking about politics (or my political views on the topic).

    It's a general stereotype that this demographic are below the average in classes, at least in the kind of academic courses.

    Maybe stereotype is not something justified though and it would be interesting if someone like Karlin was a chief scientist, his team who collect empirical data.

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  250. @Dmitry

    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.

     

    Perhaps when court games and politics still existed, which was a lot of generations ago.

    Stereotypes you can hear today, from people whose parents sent them permanently to a school in England, is that the stupid kids in their class are usually ones with those kinds of famous parents. The more adequate students are usually people with the more normal families - at least in a stereotypical view.

    The nobility are obviously considerably brighter than the proles (perhaps 110 average IQ). Successful rich (so clever) men marrying into the nobility has been a staple of European life for centuries. This impression also syncs with real life.

    Even on this very board, which is full of high quality people, at least two three – AP, Thorfinnsson, and Daniel Chieh – have impressive aristocratic pedigrees. So did a Romanian reader with whom I met up in Bucharest, who apart from coming from a boyar family was also personally highly successful as an investment banker (despite his family’s entire fortune having been destroyed in the 1940s due to obvious reasons).

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I also have pretty much an unbroken line of mandarin/landowner descent recorded at least as far back as the Ming. Obviously lost pretty much everything after the victory of the Communists, which hasn't particularly stopped us.
    , @anonymous coward

    Even on this very board, which is full of high quality people, at least two three – AP, Thorfinnsson, and Daniel Chieh – have impressive aristocratic pedigrees.
     
    It's only a sample size of three, but AP is the dumbest poster here, bar none. Theory of aristocratic excellence not confirmed.
    , @Anon 2
    Re: Aristocratic origin

    In an exchange with AP I once mentioned that I was descended from Polish nobility,
    complete with a coat of arms, etc. (by the way, don't blame me for "liberum veto"!).
    It's something I don't emphasize because I can stand on my own achievements.
    I'm also the author of a number of books published by New York publishers, and
    translated into many languages. But when your life's motto is "Nulla dies sine
    linea," and you've lived as long as I have, you eventually get a well-deserved sense
    of accomplishment. In fact, that's a splendid formula for success - live long, and keep
    adding to your accomplishments everyday, even a little bit helps. And don't let women
    deplete your Life Force. I always found that I get along much better with women
    who are my personal assistants than those women who have been my wives or
    auditioning to be my wife.
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  251. @Rosie

    And this makes women less willing to engage in transactional sex (not just hooking, but also Beta Bux providers).
     
    Thorfinnsson,

    FYI:

    https://psychcentral.com/news/2012/04/18/lack-of-men-leads-women-to-choose-career-over-family/37500.html

    I think we still need to figure out which direction the arrow of causation points.

    Both can simultaneously be true.

    The girls on college campuses dealing with a shortage of men are having sex. But they’re not having transactional sex or forming stable relationships (too much competition).

    I’ve seen reports that China’s male surplus is strengthening monogamy and family formation, relatively speaking.

    The 1920s is remembered as a time of sexual decadence, particularly in Europe. Probably has something to do with the demographics of the period.

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  252. @Talha
    Pitching or receiving; it makes a difference.

    Do they do it openly? And flaunt it in public? Then you have your answer.

    Also...when was Morocco under Byzantine control exactly?

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    Thanks for the correction. It looks like they had a presence after all in a small area around current-day Tangiers and Ceuta. I did not know the Arabs fought the Byzantine garrisons that far West, I thought they basically ended around Algiers.

    Learn something new every day...

    Peace.
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  253. Mitleser says:
    @Dmitry
    Lol I think we can predict that Varlamov has even less skill for gardening than he does for cutting his hair.

    But who needs an English gardening, when you have a view of giant Lenin's ass.

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/01.jpg

    Or the snail sculpture...

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/30.jpg


    -

    Seriously though, I find this standard post-apocalyptic urban environment more beautiful than the campuses of American Ivy League colleges, but to explain why - rationally - I cannot.

    Decaying urban environment has a more interesting character.

    My favorite building in my city is a high-rise building is a high-rise bunker.
    It is so tough that they did not destroy it despite its central location.
    Nowadays, it is abandoned and surrounded by flora.

    The Lenin statue should lose its head.

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  254. @Anatoly Karlin
    The nobility are obviously considerably brighter than the proles (perhaps 110 average IQ). Successful rich (so clever) men marrying into the nobility has been a staple of European life for centuries. This impression also syncs with real life.

    Even on this very board, which is full of high quality people, at least two three - AP, Thorfinnsson, and Daniel Chieh - have impressive aristocratic pedigrees. So did a Romanian reader with whom I met up in Bucharest, who apart from coming from a boyar family was also personally highly successful as an investment banker (despite his family's entire fortune having been destroyed in the 1940s due to obvious reasons).

    I also have pretty much an unbroken line of mandarin/landowner descent recorded at least as far back as the Ming. Obviously lost pretty much everything after the victory of the Communists, which hasn’t particularly stopped us.

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    Yes, you as well. Can't believe I forgot to mention you.

    My maternal/maternal/paternal line is aristocratic, though not of an impressive pedigree - that branch was only ennobled under Alexander III, for military service.

    So are those from my maternal/paternal line, who were prominent Lak notables; big fish in their society, although said society constituted a very small pond (there are only 200,000 Laks even today).
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  255. @Dmitry
    Lol I think we can predict that Varlamov has even less skill for gardening than he does for cutting his hair.

    But who needs an English gardening, when you have a view of giant Lenin's ass.

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/01.jpg

    Or the snail sculpture...

    https://varlamov.me/2018/volgograd_zhopa/30.jpg


    -

    Seriously though, I find this standard post-apocalyptic urban environment more beautiful than the campuses of American Ivy League colleges, but to explain why - rationally - I cannot.

    Seriously though, I find this standard post-apocalyptic urban environment more beautiful than the campuses of American Ivy League colleges, but to explain why – rationally – I cannot.

    Ruinenwert.

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    Ruinenwert.
     
    Although this concept, (from reading Wikipedia) seems to necessary that the original building, now ruined, had a great value or represented once a great civilization?

    But I wonder sometimes about the beauty of something that was always unattended - and its tragic beauty is somehow distilled with this pathos.

    It might be psychologically related to imagining the people that lived an entire life (happiest and saddest memories) in these neglected places. People who walked back from school every afternoon besides (for example) this snail monument of Volgograd (now slandeed by Varlamov), or sometimes dream it at night.

    Ruinenwert is similar, but seems related to the glory of the lives of the people in the past location, while what is the melancholy of places which never have glory or attention?

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    For example, the atomic monument, which is the first tourist attraction of the city of Volgodonsk (according officially to Tripadvisor ratings).

    How to describe this monument to the peaceful atom (the pride of the city of 170,000 people)? Does anything in Rome can rival it in its beauty?

    https://rutraveller.ru/icache/u_y/r/yriy-/al782202/1522370_603x354.jpg

    http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/01/85/49/00_big.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d68BDmHUXU0
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  256. @Daniel Chieh
    I also have pretty much an unbroken line of mandarin/landowner descent recorded at least as far back as the Ming. Obviously lost pretty much everything after the victory of the Communists, which hasn't particularly stopped us.

    Yes, you as well. Can’t believe I forgot to mention you.

    My maternal/maternal/paternal line is aristocratic, though not of an impressive pedigree – that branch was only ennobled under Alexander III, for military service.

    So are those from my maternal/paternal line, who were prominent Lak notables; big fish in their society, although said society constituted a very small pond (there are only 200,000 Laks even today).

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    I would say the major change in modernity has been that the traditional landowning elites(and their traits) have been gradually deemphasized with the decreasing importance of agarian economic importance(and thus, traits such as martial valor, border fighting, etc) with the gradual rise of commercial and financial elites.

    Incidentally, how are you doing with Dark Lord of the Kremlin?
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  257. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I also believe in all propaganda I read.

    I can tell you stories of hilarious, terribly incompetent and truly depraved kids of aristocratic origin(I actually know a particularly ridiculous one, I might share here someday), but a lot of it is that it just stands out in our memory/availability cascade. Also their epic fails are more epic because they have resources to do so.

    But the vast majority in my experience, even those with problems, tend to be overall fairly competent.

    Maybe I’m writing a little confusedly.

    I know a couple of people who have been in schools with stupid kids from these kind of strange parents (where they had classes all day living in the same place with kids of the exactly particular background Thorfinnssons talks about in his post).

    On related topics, I have a personal experience of this as well with a really funny German example of this, but I won’t add more.

    I wasn’t talking about politics (or my political views on the topic).

    It’s a general stereotype that this demographic are below the average in classes, at least in the kind of academic courses.

    Maybe stereotype is not something justified though and it would be interesting if someone like Karlin was a chief scientist, his team who collect empirical data.

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    Its just the same with everything, though, if you have money and no intelligence, you won't have money before too long either. Your parents and so on can often try to do things to help, but it only can go so far; I know an example where the mother tried to control the trust fund so that her daughter could only blow a few million at a time, so she just hired lawyers to sue her mother to get control over her fund.

    You can really only stop people from self-destructing so much. Its life. Arguably, with money and opportunity, they have even more means to self-destruct: a single extensive addiction is all it takes.

    , @AP

    It’s a general stereotype that this demographic are below the average in classes, at least in the kind of academic courses.
     
    Is it a stereotype, or simply Soviet propaganda? There are stereotype about such people being eccentric, or frivolous, or even lazy, but not that they are dumb.

    Someone has done research on this:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/10181.html

    The Son Also Rises
    Surnames and the History of Social Mobility

    How much of our fate is tied to the status of our parents and grandparents? How much does it influence our children? More than we wish to believe. While it has been argued that rigid class structures have eroded in favor of greater social equality, The Son Also Rises proves that movement on the social ladder has changed little over eight centuries. Using a novel technique—tracking family names over generations to measure social mobility across countries and periods—renowned economic historian Gregory Clark reveals that mobility rates are lower than conventionally estimated, do not vary across societies, and are resistant to social policies.

    Clark examines and compares surnames in such diverse cases as modern Sweden and Qing Dynasty China. He demonstrates how fate is determined by ancestry and that almost all societies have similarly low social mobility rates. Challenging popular assumptions about mobility and revealing the deeply entrenched force of inherited advantage, The Son Also Rises is sure to prompt intense debate for years to come.

    ::::::::::::::

    Essentially, the same old families have higher income and success rates across all cultures. In egalitarian Sweden people from old noble families and from successful 18th century families dominate high-income fields such as medicine and law.

    The book did not include Russia, and the situation there was complex. Aristocrats and successful merchants were driven away or culled. Successful old Bolsheviks themselves were mostly renegade nobles (Lenin) or from ethic minorities, not peasants. They were replaced as the system affirmative-actioned peasants and proles to the top, probably to the detriment of the state (Brezhnev). But even in this case it wasn't a complete process - Andropov was from a noble family, for example.
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  258. @Dmitry
    Maybe I'm writing a little confusedly.

    I know a couple of people who have been in schools with stupid kids from these kind of strange parents (where they had classes all day living in the same place with kids of the exactly particular background Thorfinnssons talks about in his post).

    On related topics, I have a personal experience of this as well with a really funny German example of this, but I won't add more.

    I wasn't talking about politics (or my political views on the topic).

    It's a general stereotype that this demographic are below the average in classes, at least in the kind of academic courses.

    Maybe stereotype is not something justified though and it would be interesting if someone like Karlin was a chief scientist, his team who collect empirical data.

    Its just the same with everything, though, if you have money and no intelligence, you won’t have money before too long either. Your parents and so on can often try to do things to help, but it only can go so far; I know an example where the mother tried to control the trust fund so that her daughter could only blow a few million at a time, so she just hired lawyers to sue her mother to get control over her fund.

    You can really only stop people from self-destructing so much. Its life. Arguably, with money and opportunity, they have even more means to self-destruct: a single extensive addiction is all it takes.

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  259. Talha says:
    @A Spaniard
    Let me shed some light on your ignorance:

    http://byzantinemilitary.blogspot.com/2012/10/byzantine-morocco.html?m=1

    Thanks for the correction. It looks like they had a presence after all in a small area around current-day Tangiers and Ceuta. I did not know the Arabs fought the Byzantine garrisons that far West, I thought they basically ended around Algiers.

    Learn something new every day…

    Peace.

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  260. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The cream rises to the top. There's little talent in the working class, which is why they're in the working class.

    These romantic fantasies about the working class are ridiculous, particularly on an HBD-oriented blog.

    That's nothing against welders either, who are highly skilled workers.

    These romantic fantasies about the working class are ridiculous, particularly on an HBD-oriented blog.

    What is incompatible between HBD and a desire to see greater political participation by the working class?

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    There's a certain type of nationalist that has a fantasy of BASED proles taking over from effete elites/intellectuals/cloud people/whatever.

    The reality is that people in the working class are of limited talent and ambition and thus cannot form a political vanguard. Even the Bolsheviks figured this out, though they had to put some lipstick on the pig to make it palatable for their worldview.

    As for greater working class political participation, sure that's fine. Look at Trump with his rallies and deplorables. Our path to power lies through the working class, but we're not workers.
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  261. @iffen
    These romantic fantasies about the working class are ridiculous, particularly on an HBD-oriented blog.

    What is incompatible between HBD and a desire to see greater political participation by the working class?

    There’s a certain type of nationalist that has a fantasy of BASED proles taking over from effete elites/intellectuals/cloud people/whatever.

    The reality is that people in the working class are of limited talent and ambition and thus cannot form a political vanguard. Even the Bolsheviks figured this out, though they had to put some lipstick on the pig to make it palatable for their worldview.

    As for greater working class political participation, sure that’s fine. Look at Trump with his rallies and deplorables. Our path to power lies through the working class, but we’re not workers.

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    There’s a certain type of nationalist that has a fantasy of BASED proles taking over

    Are you referencing individuals or are there groups and political organizations that conform to this description?

    Even the Bolsheviks figured this out, though they had to put some lipstick on the pig

    I don’t think that they ever represented themselves as anything other than “the” vanguard.

    Look at Trump with his rallies and deplorables. Our path to power lies through the working class, but we’re not workers.

    Trump has demonstrated the ability to appeal to the working class. I would point out that the working class was able to identify Trump as an ally. One problem with the working class is that they sometimes also identify sewer pond scum types like Flake and Romney as allies.

    What the working class needs is alienated intellectuals and potential elites to take the lead.

    You didn't answer my main concern. You seem to imply some sort of conflict between HBD and the working class political interests.

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  262. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Seriously though, I find this standard post-apocalyptic urban environment more beautiful than the campuses of American Ivy League colleges, but to explain why – rationally – I cannot.
     
    Ruinenwert.

    Ruinenwert.

    Although this concept, (from reading Wikipedia) seems to necessary that the original building, now ruined, had a great value or represented once a great civilization?

    But I wonder sometimes about the beauty of something that was always unattended – and its tragic beauty is somehow distilled with this pathos.

    It might be psychologically related to imagining the people that lived an entire life (happiest and saddest memories) in these neglected places. People who walked back from school every afternoon besides (for example) this snail monument of Volgograd (now slandeed by Varlamov), or sometimes dream it at night.

    Ruinenwert is similar, but seems related to the glory of the lives of the people in the past location, while what is the melancholy of places which never have glory or attention?

    -

    For example, the atomic monument, which is the first tourist attraction of the city of Volgodonsk (according officially to Tripadvisor ratings).

    How to describe this monument to the peaceful atom (the pride of the city of 170,000 people)? Does anything in Rome can rival it in its beauty?

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  263. utu says:
    @Dmitry

    Are Russian women in some sense better than American women now? Could you trust them more? Are they a better material for wives and mothers?
     
    If you ask about "women's relationship morality". For this kind of universal human problem, a difference within the national groups is of course larger than any difference between national groups.

    From your perspective, the relevant part is how accurately you judge character.

    If you ask about relationships in general, average marriage age is a couple of years younger, but there is not some vast difference in culture of dating between the nationalities you are discussing.

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    A funny thing is that some could blog about, is how in both countries (America and Russia), this year there are news headlines about studies showing that the current teenage generation are having less sex, promiscuity and drugs, than previous generations (teenagers of the 1990s and 2000s).


    Is being a prostitute for foreigners worse than for your compatriots?
     
    Probably a lot of people are confused by the Ukrainian ones. Clearly, the vast majority of Russian prostitutes, are working in Russia.

    However, as a percentage of the total women's population, of course only a very small percentage are working as prostitutes (they simply have a lot of customers each one).

    Probably a lot of people are confused by the Ukrainian ones.

    Russian nationalist who claim that Ukrainians do not exist would agree that it is very easy to mistake a Ukrainian whore for a Russian one.

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  264. ussr andy says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Depends on the domain. They're far more grounded in reality in the social, cultural, and religious domains. Hence why any "populist" movement relies on their votes.

    They're absolute fools on some other things. Try having a five minute conversation with a proletarian about the price of gasoline for instance.

    Try having a five minute conversation with a proletarian about the price of gasoline for instance.

    try having one with a UMC person about immigration (the won’t talk to me)…

    one could say it’s even worse because by your own logic the UMC person has the faculty to know better.

    right now, however, their clever plan is to physically check out of society (gates, helipads etc) when the SHTF.

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  265. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    Maybe I'm writing a little confusedly.

    I know a couple of people who have been in schools with stupid kids from these kind of strange parents (where they had classes all day living in the same place with kids of the exactly particular background Thorfinnssons talks about in his post).

    On related topics, I have a personal experience of this as well with a really funny German example of this, but I won't add more.

    I wasn't talking about politics (or my political views on the topic).

    It's a general stereotype that this demographic are below the average in classes, at least in the kind of academic courses.

    Maybe stereotype is not something justified though and it would be interesting if someone like Karlin was a chief scientist, his team who collect empirical data.

    It’s a general stereotype that this demographic are below the average in classes, at least in the kind of academic courses.

    Is it a stereotype, or simply Soviet propaganda? There are stereotype about such people being eccentric, or frivolous, or even lazy, but not that they are dumb.

    Someone has done research on this:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/10181.html

    The Son Also Rises
    Surnames and the History of Social Mobility

    How much of our fate is tied to the status of our parents and grandparents? How much does it influence our children? More than we wish to believe. While it has been argued that rigid class structures have eroded in favor of greater social equality, The Son Also Rises proves that movement on the social ladder has changed little over eight centuries. Using a novel technique—tracking family names over generations to measure social mobility across countries and periods—renowned economic historian Gregory Clark reveals that mobility rates are lower than conventionally estimated, do not vary across societies, and are resistant to social policies.

    Clark examines and compares surnames in such diverse cases as modern Sweden and Qing Dynasty China. He demonstrates how fate is determined by ancestry and that almost all societies have similarly low social mobility rates. Challenging popular assumptions about mobility and revealing the deeply entrenched force of inherited advantage, The Son Also Rises is sure to prompt intense debate for years to come.

    ::::::::::::::

    Essentially, the same old families have higher income and success rates across all cultures. In egalitarian Sweden people from old noble families and from successful 18th century families dominate high-income fields such as medicine and law.

    The book did not include Russia, and the situation there was complex. Aristocrats and successful merchants were driven away or culled. Successful old Bolsheviks themselves were mostly renegade nobles (Lenin) or from ethic minorities, not peasants. They were replaced as the system affirmative-actioned peasants and proles to the top, probably to the detriment of the state (Brezhnev). But even in this case it wasn’t a complete process – Andropov was from a noble family, for example.

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    However, if talented and ambitious people continually marry into the nobility, then the names will stay the same while the genetics will drastically shift every couple of generations.

    A noble family name may be seen as more like a corporation that is constantly hiring new people while retaining the same company name.
    , @Dmitry
    This is a stereotype of people who were sent into distant schools with a few people of the demographic of the one of the people described in the original post.

    I don't think this is relevant to people whose ancestors once included distant noblemen (which is just a significant proportion of the world population).

    This group are a small number of people who are often still living in the same houses, parents not normally with a typical pattern in their professional career, and kids who are stereotyped as below average in the classes.

    I personally have experience, with a German guy equivalent of this, who was the distraction clown on an course I have been in, so I am oriented to believe this could be same in the schools there (with all disclaimers about stereotypes being often false or legends).

    Political views or discussion of Soviet education system, or ancestors of Andropov, is a little distant.

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  266. @German_reader

    I do not understand how this once martial and conquering people
     
    Well, as Mitleser already wrote, martial Germany was pretty much destroyed in the world wars, and tbh that may not have been a bad thing given its previous record.
    The current wish for national self-extinction is rather puzzling to me as well, I can't entirely explain it. It must be a confluence of several factors, e.g. feelings of shame over the Nazi crimes (which bizarrely enough seem to have only increased with the passage of time), the ideology of European integration adopted by west German elites, wealth-induced decadence, a certain childishness of German society and its political elites...one has to remember that 1945-1990 the two German states had only restricted sovereignty, and the habits learned during that time haven't disappeared, German political elites are unable to come up with anything more than hypermoralism and throwing money around.
    But as you wrote yourself, it's a general trend. Personally I find the cases of Britain and France even more puzzling (not to mention Sweden).

    I think that due to a Western cultural bubble that most European countries were part of, that they were influenced by each other. USA being the dominant country in this cultural club also dominated this cultural sphere. This meant that ideas that “caught on” in USA could or would spread quickly to the rest of this Western culturals sphere. Allthough European countries would likely have some immigration based on “native” cultural influence.

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  268. AaronB says:
    @AP

    It’s a general stereotype that this demographic are below the average in classes, at least in the kind of academic courses.
     
    Is it a stereotype, or simply Soviet propaganda? There are stereotype about such people being eccentric, or frivolous, or even lazy, but not that they are dumb.

    Someone has done research on this:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/10181.html

    The Son Also Rises
    Surnames and the History of Social Mobility

    How much of our fate is tied to the status of our parents and grandparents? How much does it influence our children? More than we wish to believe. While it has been argued that rigid class structures have eroded in favor of greater social equality, The Son Also Rises proves that movement on the social ladder has changed little over eight centuries. Using a novel technique—tracking family names over generations to measure social mobility across countries and periods—renowned economic historian Gregory Clark reveals that mobility rates are lower than conventionally estimated, do not vary across societies, and are resistant to social policies.

    Clark examines and compares surnames in such diverse cases as modern Sweden and Qing Dynasty China. He demonstrates how fate is determined by ancestry and that almost all societies have similarly low social mobility rates. Challenging popular assumptions about mobility and revealing the deeply entrenched force of inherited advantage, The Son Also Rises is sure to prompt intense debate for years to come.

    ::::::::::::::

    Essentially, the same old families have higher income and success rates across all cultures. In egalitarian Sweden people from old noble families and from successful 18th century families dominate high-income fields such as medicine and law.

    The book did not include Russia, and the situation there was complex. Aristocrats and successful merchants were driven away or culled. Successful old Bolsheviks themselves were mostly renegade nobles (Lenin) or from ethic minorities, not peasants. They were replaced as the system affirmative-actioned peasants and proles to the top, probably to the detriment of the state (Brezhnev). But even in this case it wasn't a complete process - Andropov was from a noble family, for example.

    However, if talented and ambitious people continually marry into the nobility, then the names will stay the same while the genetics will drastically shift every couple of generations.

    A noble family name may be seen as more like a corporation that is constantly hiring new people while retaining the same company name.

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    However, if talented and ambitious people continually marry into the nobility, then the names will stay the same while the genetics will drastically shift every couple of generations.
     
    Perhaps. OTOH, since the study was based on surnames, this would be about women marrying noble males, so if anything there might be downward pressure (i.e., men marrying women who might not be very bright, but attractive) that would compensate for the daughters of ennobled talented commoners marrying people from established noble families.

    However, I suspect intermarriage rates weren't even very high. I have family trees going centuries and with the exception of some German officer's daughter in the 1820s (her father had been enlisted, served in a famous unit during the Napoleonic wars, become an officer and was stationed in Galicia), no paternal ancestor had not been from a noble family. I don't think this was rare, marrying commoners was looked down-upon.

    And the family (minor nobles) baseline was consistent, century after century - mid-level military officers, a judge, prosperous priests with a lot of land, with the occasional outliers (i.e., a general, two Metropolitans of the Greek Catholic Church, a guy who founded a political party). This, in a society where 95+% were peasants.

    Those who survived the horrors of the 20th century were doctors, master's level engineers, tenured professors, etc. in 20th and 21st centuries. So people who were, not 1 percenters but perhaps 5-percenters, remained so no matter what the historical circumstances or where they settled. The Ukrainian diaspora is fairly wealthy so a lot of peasants' grandchildren have caught up to us. This might have reflected artificial circumstances in the past, naturally there should be about 10% at the top not 5%.

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  269. @Talha
    I remember reading either a paper or an article on this subject - it’s been a while but I’m sure people can find resources. In general, wars can be very dysgenic; you lose your young, capable, brave men in high proportions (often before they procreate). The ones who get a pass to avoid war are cowards (or these can survive deployment at higher rates by keeping their heads down) or those incapable or unfit. Not a good combo. It’s less so now because we have rules for POWs and such but in the past you could lose your entire army or the lion’s share of it like at Cannae or Qadisiyyah.

    Certain rules to walk away with:
    1) if you plan to wage war, make sure you win because they are generally dysgenic from the start
    2) losing a war is even more dysgenic
    3) losing a war to Russia in an epic way is even more dysgenic

    Peace.

    Why is losing a war to Russia more dysgenic than losing a war to another country?

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    Usually when you lose to Russia, you lose massively; ask the Tatars and the Germans.

    Though the Chechens actually got a boost from the Russians. What the Russians did by hauling them off to forced-labor camps in Central Asia basically killed off the weaker ones among them and the tougher ones survived to eventually come back.

    Suggested reading:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salusa_Secundus

    Peace.
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  270. @Anatoly Karlin
    Yes, you as well. Can't believe I forgot to mention you.

    My maternal/maternal/paternal line is aristocratic, though not of an impressive pedigree - that branch was only ennobled under Alexander III, for military service.

    So are those from my maternal/paternal line, who were prominent Lak notables; big fish in their society, although said society constituted a very small pond (there are only 200,000 Laks even today).

    I would say the major change in modernity has been that the traditional landowning elites(and their traits) have been gradually deemphasized with the decreasing importance of agarian economic importance(and thus, traits such as martial valor, border fighting, etc) with the gradual rise of commercial and financial elites.

    Incidentally, how are you doing with Dark Lord of the Kremlin?

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  271. There is a discussion of Mesoamerican human sacrifice and similar issues at Greg Cochran’s blog.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/06/25/tower-of-skulls/

    I channeled some thoughts of our two aristocratic interlocutors, AP and Daniel Chieh, without attribution, I hope they don’t mind.

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  272. DFH says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    These often (usually) are idiots (below average people), who distantly and as a result of random probability were born with family that once had successful ancestors, hundreds of years in the past
     
    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.

    Noblemen have to play court games and politics, being an idiot will lead to unpleasant results to put it lightly.

    Not true. Noble executions were very rare, even under the most tyrannical kings like Henry VIII, and could be avoided just by keeping your head down. A much bigger threat was probably downwards social mobility due to mismanagement or bad luck.

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    Well, it doesn't usually result in death except when its quite unstable, such as during civil wars.

    But making too many enemies or getting a bad reputation can land one into increasingly unpleasant situations: being passed up for opportunities for gain, any contested land can now becomes much more enthusiastically contested by rivals, not being able to get letters of support/recommendation for one's "good character" and so on.

    There certainly did not seem to be a lack of ambition among the