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Transylvanian Morning.

I have been unable to follow most of the last week’s comments, and probably won’t catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson’s Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor’s instructions on cold showers.

Now that I am in Bucharest and have a good, reliable Internet connection, I will put up another Kholmogorov translation tomorrow. Hopefully this will suffice until regular poasting can resume on June 12.

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Featured News

bronze-age-mindset* Long awaited BAPbook is out!: Bronze Age Mindset is now a bestseller in Ancient Greek history.

Some say that this book, found in a safebox in the port area of Kowloon, was dictated, because Bronze Age Pervert refuses to learn what he calls “the low and plebeian art of writing.” It isn’t known how this book was transcribed. The contents are pure dynamite. He explains that you live in ant farm. That you are observed by the lords of lies, ritually probed. Ancient man had something you have lost: confidence in his instincts and strength, knowledge in his blood. BAP shows how the Bronze Age mindset can set you free from this Iron Prison and help you embark on the path of power. He talks about life, biology, hormones. He gives many examples from history, both ancient and modern. He shows the secrets of the detrimental robots, how they hide and fabricate. He helps you escape gynocracy and ascend to fresh mountain air.

* Julien Dehlez: Reflections on the London Conference on Intelligence (see also James Thompson’s take)

* Ron Unz: American Pravda: When Stalin Almost Conquered Europe.

Suffice to say I disagree with Rezun’s theory, and can also commend the comments by Thorfinnsson, Ivan K., and most of the ones by Arioch. Perhaps I will do a post on this eventually (Ron has urged me to in the past), but it would mostly just be a restatement of the “WHO PLANNED TO ATTACK WHOM, AND HOW?” chapter of Absolute War by Chris Bellamy.

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Russia

* Moon of Alabama: The Babchenko Hoax Was Part Of A Corporate Raid. I had speculated this might be the case a day earlier, and I think MoA has basically proven this.

* Putin mumbled some things on the national Q&A. I didn’t even notice it was on until after the fact.

* The Ukraine is trying to appropriate Igor Sikorsky for its own. He actually identified as Russian, and indeed was a monarchist and a nationalist.

* Like meets like:

laura-southern-dugin

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World

* Audacious Epigone

* Fred Reed takes exception to a comment I made on one of his posts. My reply here.

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Science & Culture

* Heiner Rindermann, David Becker (2018) – FLynn-effect and economic growth: Do national increases in intelligence lead to increases in GDP?

• National historical changes in IQ were related to changes in GDP per capita.
• IQ growth is positively correlated to economic growth.
• The correlations are the largest for a 5 to 15 years time lag (r = .25 to .77).
• Preceding intelligence increases lead to later production and income increases.
• Control for wealth show catch-up and robust cognitive effects.

* Emil Kirkegaard: Nobel prize winners are very unlikely to be religious

scientists-atheism

* Portuguese regional politics & culture.

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Powerful Takes

* [non-ironic] This comment by Kratos the Gluemaker is interesting, and appreciated. Also this one by ImmortalRationalist on why primitivism is a dead end.

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  1. Jayce says:

    I bet my man pulled that old “yeah, I’m actually Putin’s top advisor, Crimea was my idea” game on Southern and got her back to the khrushchovka quicker than you can say Dasein.

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    The only thing left he needs is VIA Gra.
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  2. http://thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/367323,Sweden-approves-contested-gas-pipeline-report

    Sweden’s Enterprise Minister Mikael Damberg said his country had no legal means of opposing the construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, public broadcaster Polish Radio’s IAR news agency reported.

    If built, the 1,200-kilometre pipeline, which is scheduled for completion in 2019, will be capable of supplying around 55 billion cubic metres of natural gas a year from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea, circumventing Poland, the Baltic states and Ukraine.

    Around 500 km of the gas link will run through Swedish territorial waters.

    Germany’s maritime authority approved the project in March, making Germany the first country to have issued all the necessary permits for the pipeline to be built within its territorial waters and exclusive economic zone.

    In early April, the Finnish government gave the go-ahead to the construction of the undersea pipeline through Finland’s economic zone.

    The US State Department spokeswoman said in March that the American government opposed Nord Stream 2 as the project would undermine Europe’s energy security and stability.

    I am not surprised, nor am I particularly worried. I am probably in the minority of people who don’t care too much about NS2. Germany is the paymaster of Europe. It was obvious that it was going to get approved. It simply makes economic sense to Germany. Poland will likely stop using Russian gas by the early 2020s anyway, which isn’t exactly all that wise either, since Russian gas is quite cheap and Russia has been a reliable partner for us. But hey, gotta ramp up that red scare!

    http://thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/367146,Polish-unemployment-hits-28year-low

    Meanwhile, our economy is continuing to do quite well. According to the eurostat figures, we now have one of the lowest unemployment rates:

    But this map is deceiving. What actually matters is employment rates. This is how it looks like:

    We’re in the bottom half for that one, though better than France for instance. We are improving rapidly and should probably reach the EU-28 median this year or next. Southern Spain, Southern Italy and much of Greece continues to be an absolute disaster. Portugal is doing quite well. If you look at the previous unemployment map, they also have better-than-EU average rates. What accounts for this Portuguese overperformance compared to the rest of the south?

    http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/367215,EU-officials-in-dispute-over-punitive-procedure-against-Poland-MEP

    Czarnecki, a former vice-president of the European Parliament, told public broadcaster Polish Radio that the difference of opinion saw the Commission’s First Vice-President Frans Timmermans pitted against the Commission’s head Jean-Claude Juncker and Secretary-General Martin Selmayr, a German linked to Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    Juncker and Selmayr want to end a protracted dispute with Poland as soon as possible, while Timmermans wants the procedure to go on, according to Czarnecki.

    Timmermans in mid-May said the EU executive would not withdraw its Article 7 disciplinary mechanism against Poland at this stage.

    I haven’t seen this in other articles, but it sounds plausible. Selmayr is a close confidant to Juncker and Juncker himself has been very moderate in his statements compared to Timmermans, who seems to have an obsession with us. Selmayr is also German, and will take Merkel’s more nuanced stance into account. It has been Macron, out of the major European leaders, who has been most alarmist about us. But despite fawning media glory, Macron’s real influence in Europe – outside of his natural Southern European constituency – is limited. Even a weakened Merkel is stronger.

    Overall, the entire process has been a protracted clownshow. Now we not only have Hungary’s promise to veto but we have the Baltic 3 as well. Juncker knows this, and given the Italian populist developments, he understands spending a lot of political captial in a fight where he won’t get anywhere is pointless.

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    PP, do you have any thoughts on this:

    Poland 600%
    Latvia 100%
    France 85%
    Netherlands 85%
    Norway 81%
    Denmark 77%
    Romania 75%
    Turkey 68%
    Bulgaria 58%
    Finland 53%
    Greece 51%
    Belgium 50%
    Russia 44%
    Slovakia 43%
    Croatia 43%
    Hungary 40%
    Germany 38%

    It's a ranking of women's "far-right" vote as a percentage of men's. Poland is a clear outlier. I assumed it was because of religious/cultural conservatism among Polish women. Another commenter said it's just "noise." What say you?

    Here's a link to the thread.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/latest-party-to-go-far-right-on-immigration-denmarks-social-democrats/

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  3. @Jayce
    I bet my man pulled that old "yeah, I'm actually Putin's top advisor, Crimea was my idea" game on Southern and got her back to the khrushchovka quicker than you can say Dasein.

    The only thing left he needs is VIA Gra.

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  4. Dmitry says:

    No excitement about the World Cup?
    We’re guessing the team is too shit and after group stage, will be defeated in 1/8 stage by Portugal/Spain?

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    In short yes.
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  5. Canada is thisclose to legalising marijuana. I don’t see the problem. Alcohol is a deadlier drug. Banning alcohol didn’t work – though Counter-Currents disagrees – so why would weed continually being banned work better compared to its legalisation?

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/miss-america-eliminates-swimsuits-and-wont-judge-on-looks

    The Miss America Organization is dropping the swimsuit competition, saying it will no longer judge contestants on their appearance.

    The competition began nearly 100 years ago in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as a bathing beauty contest designed to keep tourists coming to the seaside resort in the weekend after Labor Day.
    But it has run into resistance to the swimsuit, and to a lesser extent, evening gown competitions, that had come by some to be seen as outdated.

    An email scandal last December in which former Miss America officials denigrated the intelligence, appearance and sex lives of former title winners led to a shake-up at the top, and the group’s top three leadership positions are now held by women.
    We’re not going to judge you on your appearance because we are interested in what makes you you,” Gretchen Carlson, a former Miss America who is head of the organization’s board of trustees, said while making the announcement Tuesday on “Good Morning America.”

    Carlson, whose sexual harassment lawsuit against Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes led to his departure, said the board has heard from potential contestants saying, “We don’t want to be out there in high heels and swimsuits.

    What’s the point of beauty contests if you can’t judge the contestants on, well, their beauty?

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    Didn't realize Gretchen Carlson was a former winner - probably because she is old.

    Always thought Miss America and Miss World were pretty boring. Except for the small variations in hair and skin color - the woman look exactly the same, and wear pretty much the same clothes. Meanwhile, personality doesn't show on TV. The questions are stupid and the results seem arbitrary.

    Maybe, the idea of a beauty contest works a lot better on a local level, but it just becomes globalized and tepid, on the level of the whole US or greater.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Marijuana is fine but unfortunately leads to leftism so all users and distributors need to be executed.

    Alcoholics tend to become melancholic artists or wife beaters in grease-stained wifebeaters. This promotes culture and patriarchy, respectively, so alcohol's cool.

    Cocaine is based as fuck and needs to be legalized ASAP.
    , @utu
    Obviously behind the marijuana legalization push is profit and states are seduced into legalization by prospects of large revenues. But one should not overlook the fact that Israel marijuana industry plays a significant role in this process and one should not discount a possibility that lobbing by The Lobby is behind successes of changing attitudes in media coverage and the subsequent legalizations. The foot in the door was the medical cannabis. On the Right as usual libertarians were assignee duo play the role of the useful idiots.

    https://israel-cannabis.com
    How the Booming Israeli Weed Industry Is Changing American Pot
    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-booming-israeli-weed-industry-is-changing-american-pot-w499117

    Israeli marijuana giant partners with Pa. medical grower
    http://www.philly.com/philly/business/cannabis/tikun-olam-marijuana-medical-ilera-pennsylvania-20180418.html

    Israeli, Canadian firms partner to run four US marijuana facilities
    https://mjbizdaily.com/israeli-canadian-firms-partner-run-four-us-marijuana-facilities/

    As recreational marijuana becomes legal in California, Jewish advocates are ready
    https://www.jweekly.com/2017/12/22/recreational-marijuana-becomes-legal-california-jewish-advocates-ready/

    Israel May Start Exporting Medical Marijuana
    https://www.marijuana.com/news/2017/08/israel-may-start-exporting-medical-marijuana/

    How Israel Became A Medical Marijuana Powerhouse
    http://nocamels.com/2014/01/how-israel-became-a-medical-marijuana-powerhouse/

     

    If we scrutinized the gambling industry we would find similar connections to Israel via South Africa where the beta version of Casinos on Indian Reservation was invented and tested. It was done on Bantustans. You know Sun City. Anybody remember Jack Abramoff:

    “According to your emails,” Senator Campbell said, “you and Mr. Scanlon referred to tribes as morons, stupid idiots, monkeys, f-ing troglodytes…and losers.” The senator looked up. “Why would you want to work for people that you have that much contempt for?”
     

    http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/04/true_colors_abr.html
    David Margolick's recent Vanity Fair profile of Jack Abramoff omits a key part of the story, whitewashing Abramoff's past service on behalf of South Africa's apartheid government. Margolick wrote that in the mid-1980s Abramoff went into “show business” and produced Red Scorpion, “an anti-Communist parable filmed in Namibia” ... But saying that Abramoff was in show business is like describing Jeffrey Dahmer as a man who “dabbled in nouvelle cuisine.” Red Scorpion was not simply a sloppy piece of propaganda; it was a project of South African military intelligence, and Abramoff, according to my sources, was a willing asset of the apartheid government.
     
    I connect gambling and marijuana here because they both have negative impact on the health of society.

    Then obviously there is a vast Security and Surveillance Industry where Israel is a real superpower. An hour of googling would show you amazing world network. At some point I was hoping that somebody like James Bamford who exposed Israeli firms connection to NSA data collection in telecommunication would write a book showing the true size of Israeli security industry.
    , @ImmortalRationalist
    Heroin should be legalized in my opinion. Legalize all drugs and let Darwin take over.
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  6. songbird says:

    Regarding AA – I don’t believe that most blacks don’t support it. I think they are just saying that. They used to vote for Republicans because Republicans were their patrons, giving them government jobs, etc. After the welfare state, Democrats became their patrons, and it was impossible to outbid them; since then, blacks have voted overwhelmingly for Democrats.

    Blacks have even developed an almost instinctual dislike of Republicans, which is quite remarkable in its vehemence at an early age, in individuals who are, in general, otherwise very ignorant.

    Another thing – it is quite difficult to understand how it is possible they got rid of civil service exams, unless blacks supported it.

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    Perhaps the problem lies in the way it is phrased? Like the way some Americans have this talking-point about 'equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome' when really both sides end up having similar policy proposals.
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  7. 22pp22 says:

    Southern Portugal was the land of latifundias, and as a result, was always commie, especially the Alentejo region.

    The population density is low and it does not have the demographic weight to move the country.

    The northern peasants tended to own their own land and were more right wing even if poor.

    Setubal was a bastion of communism – I don’t know why.

    After the fall of Salazar, the communists tried to take over Portugal and it looked like the north (especially Viseu) would rise in armed rebellion.

    Portugal also went through a massive trauma in the African wars of the 1960s and 1970s. One million white Portugese were expelled and Portugal had to find homes for them. Think of the trauma America suffered in Vietnam and multiply it by 100.

    Incidentally, the USA played a not inconsiderable role in stirring up trouble in Angola making them de facto allies of Castro’s Cuba which committed tens of thousands of men to supporting Black Liberation movements like FRELIMO.

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  8. songbird says:
    @Polish Perspective
    Canada is thisclose to legalising marijuana. I don't see the problem. Alcohol is a deadlier drug. Banning alcohol didn't work - though Counter-Currents disagrees - so why would weed continually being banned work better compared to its legalisation?

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/miss-america-eliminates-swimsuits-and-wont-judge-on-looks


    The Miss America Organization is dropping the swimsuit competition, saying it will no longer judge contestants on their appearance.

    The competition began nearly 100 years ago in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as a bathing beauty contest designed to keep tourists coming to the seaside resort in the weekend after Labor Day.
    But it has run into resistance to the swimsuit, and to a lesser extent, evening gown competitions, that had come by some to be seen as outdated.

    An email scandal last December in which former Miss America officials denigrated the intelligence, appearance and sex lives of former title winners led to a shake-up at the top, and the group’s top three leadership positions are now held by women.
    We’re not going to judge you on your appearance because we are interested in what makes you you,” Gretchen Carlson, a former Miss America who is head of the organization’s board of trustees, said while making the announcement Tuesday on “Good Morning America.”

    Carlson, whose sexual harassment lawsuit against Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes led to his departure, said the board has heard from potential contestants saying, “We don’t want to be out there in high heels and swimsuits.
     

    What's the point of beauty contests if you can't judge the contestants on, well, their beauty?

    Didn’t realize Gretchen Carlson was a former winner – probably because she is old.

    Always thought Miss America and Miss World were pretty boring. Except for the small variations in hair and skin color – the woman look exactly the same, and wear pretty much the same clothes. Meanwhile, personality doesn’t show on TV. The questions are stupid and the results seem arbitrary.

    Maybe, the idea of a beauty contest works a lot better on a local level, but it just becomes globalized and tepid, on the level of the whole US or greater.

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  9. @songbird
    Regarding AA - I don't believe that most blacks don't support it. I think they are just saying that. They used to vote for Republicans because Republicans were their patrons, giving them government jobs, etc. After the welfare state, Democrats became their patrons, and it was impossible to outbid them; since then, blacks have voted overwhelmingly for Democrats.

    Blacks have even developed an almost instinctual dislike of Republicans, which is quite remarkable in its vehemence at an early age, in individuals who are, in general, otherwise very ignorant.

    Another thing - it is quite difficult to understand how it is possible they got rid of civil service exams, unless blacks supported it.

    Perhaps the problem lies in the way it is phrased? Like the way some Americans have this talking-point about ‘equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome’ when really both sides end up having similar policy proposals.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    You are probably quite right. In advertisements, they never use AA, but always "equal opportunity."

    A lot of companies are probably motivated by lawfare, but that still needs a certain level of political approval.
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  10. melanf says:

    Suffice to say I disagree with Rezun’s theory, and can also commend the comments by Thorfinnsson, Ivan K., and most of the ones by Arioch. Perhaps I will do a post on this eventually (Ron has urged me to in the past), but it would mostly just be a restatement of the “WHO PLANNED TO ATTACK WHOM, AND HOW?” chapter of Absolute War by Chris Bellamy.

    Here is the plan of the Soviet General staff for the construction of a line of fortifications near Moscow (for defense against German troops). The plan was signed on may 17, 41. Мore details in Russian here https://gistory.livejournal.com/4280.html

    These lines of fortifications did not have time to build – the Germans invaded. But as you can see the USSR was preparing for a defensive war.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Yeah, that's about as "conclusive" as all Rezun's evidence to the contrary.

    Which is to say, not all that much.
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  11. I’m curious what people make of Unz’s article about David Irving, or about David Irving himself.

    Sorry to AK if this attracts his one banned group of commenters. There are a bunch of them over at Unz’s thread, but I’d like to hear the opinions of the more reasonable people from AK’s readers, particularly German_reader and Reiner Tor.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    I've only skimmed through the article about David Irving (same for the one about Suvorov's thesis, that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn't interest me much). Have never read something by David Irving and Unz's article hasn't persuaded me to do so. My impression of him is the "standard" one, that is someone whose historical writing is influenced to such a degree by a specific agenda that there's probably not much point in engaging with it.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    They are no longer banned, I have dropped all bans nearly a year ago. Low quality comments are now just hidden under the MORE tag. Funnily enough, nobody seems to complain about that, probably because they subconsciously agree that my assessment is correct.
    , @neutral

    more reasonable people
     
    Why don't you say it straight what you are trying to say, discussing jews is not allowed and anyone who does is considered "unreasonable".
    , @reiner Tor
    The only David Irving book I read (though perhaps it’s the most important one) is Hitler’s War and the War Path. (So basically two books in one.)

    It appears to me that he is interesting to read if you are well versed in the topic in question, but be prepared that he occasionally puts forward theories which make little sense, and often distorts the evidence. His refusal to quote secondary sources means that he doesn’t believe in cumulative knowledge. His findings are often very insightful, but sometimes he arrives at extremely implausible conclusions.

    While he never specifically researched the holocaust, his thesis (that Hitler knew nothing about it until maybe 1943 and that it was the initiative of his security apparatus) is contradicted by all the available evidence. He’s misleading the readers and fails to engage the literature. By not citing secondary sources, it’s quite easy for him, all he needs to do is cherry-pick from the documents. A good corrective could be Richard J. Evans and his Telling Lies about Hitler. (The book is written about the lawsuit where Evans was a witness of the defendant.)

    He also distorts things about the conduct of the war. For example he exaggerates Hitler’s military genius in the case of the Battle of France. Hitler actually didn’t understand Manstein’s plan at all. A good corrective might be The Blitzkrieg Legend by Karl-Heinz Frieser.

    Then there’s the case of treason. Irving hints at certain operations’ failure being caused by sabotage, like I think in the case of the Falaise Pocket he mentions how it turned out that Kluge had some loose connection to the July 20 conspirators. Technically it’s true, but it’s of course not like any evidence has ever surfaced to suggest that he deliberately sabotaged the war effort.

    There’s a number of similar examples. The real strength of his work is that at least there’s a pro-Hitler viewpoint now.

    That said, I think what he got after the publication of Hitler’s War was unjustified, and helped him becoming something of a crank.
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  12. @The Big Red Scary
    I'm curious what people make of Unz's article about David Irving, or about David Irving himself.

    Sorry to AK if this attracts his one banned group of commenters. There are a bunch of them over at Unz's thread, but I'd like to hear the opinions of the more reasonable people from AK's readers, particularly German_reader and Reiner Tor.

    I’ve only skimmed through the article about David Irving (same for the one about Suvorov’s thesis, that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn’t interest me much). Have never read something by David Irving and Unz’s article hasn’t persuaded me to do so. My impression of him is the “standard” one, that is someone whose historical writing is influenced to such a degree by a specific agenda that there’s probably not much point in engaging with it.

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    "My impression of him is the “standard” one."

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.

    "that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn’t interest me much"

    Let me pose the problem differently:

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?
    , @Yevardian
    I expected better of you than to pre-judge someone before reading their work. I was once so milquetoast that I dismissed Norman Finkelstein without actually reading him, to my later regret. Likewise I had mildly positive opinion of Solzhenitsyn until I actually took time to read his books.

    He also seems to have some sort of issue with America’s Jewish population (a “self-hating Jew” professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him.
     
    I've never been exactly sure of his backround. I've heard claims that he's a Sephardi Jew of some sort, but I've never see any evidence of statement of his own to corroborate it. The only common theme I see is that Jews in general tend to exaggerate the impact of their race on history, whether positive or negative.
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  13. @Dmitry
    No excitement about the World Cup?
    We're guessing the team is too shit and after group stage, will be defeated in 1/8 stage by Portugal/Spain?

    In short yes.

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  14. @The Big Red Scary
    I'm curious what people make of Unz's article about David Irving, or about David Irving himself.

    Sorry to AK if this attracts his one banned group of commenters. There are a bunch of them over at Unz's thread, but I'd like to hear the opinions of the more reasonable people from AK's readers, particularly German_reader and Reiner Tor.

    They are no longer banned, I have dropped all bans nearly a year ago. Low quality comments are now just hidden under the MORE tag. Funnily enough, nobody seems to complain about that, probably because they subconsciously agree that my assessment is correct.

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    More likely they couldn't give too much of a ****.
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  15. @Polish Perspective
    Canada is thisclose to legalising marijuana. I don't see the problem. Alcohol is a deadlier drug. Banning alcohol didn't work - though Counter-Currents disagrees - so why would weed continually being banned work better compared to its legalisation?

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/miss-america-eliminates-swimsuits-and-wont-judge-on-looks


    The Miss America Organization is dropping the swimsuit competition, saying it will no longer judge contestants on their appearance.

    The competition began nearly 100 years ago in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as a bathing beauty contest designed to keep tourists coming to the seaside resort in the weekend after Labor Day.
    But it has run into resistance to the swimsuit, and to a lesser extent, evening gown competitions, that had come by some to be seen as outdated.

    An email scandal last December in which former Miss America officials denigrated the intelligence, appearance and sex lives of former title winners led to a shake-up at the top, and the group’s top three leadership positions are now held by women.
    We’re not going to judge you on your appearance because we are interested in what makes you you,” Gretchen Carlson, a former Miss America who is head of the organization’s board of trustees, said while making the announcement Tuesday on “Good Morning America.”

    Carlson, whose sexual harassment lawsuit against Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes led to his departure, said the board has heard from potential contestants saying, “We don’t want to be out there in high heels and swimsuits.
     

    What's the point of beauty contests if you can't judge the contestants on, well, their beauty?

    Marijuana is fine but unfortunately leads to leftism so all users and distributors need to be executed.

    Alcoholics tend to become melancholic artists or wife beaters in grease-stained wifebeaters. This promotes culture and patriarchy, respectively, so alcohol’s cool.

    Cocaine is based as fuck and needs to be legalized ASAP.

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    Alcoholics tend to become melancholic artists or wife beaters in grease-stained wifebeaters. This promotes culture and patriarchy, respectively, so alcohol’s cool.
     
    Charming.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Russian schools should discourage chess clubs and promote weight lifting clubs. The Bronze Age will rise again!
    , @ImmortalRationalist
    If you unironically want to execute all weed smokers, it would make far more sense to somehow genetically engineer new strains of marijuana that contain chemicals that reduce fertility. Leftists already have lower fertility rates than right wingers, and this would accelerate the process.
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  16. DFH says:

    Dugin’s body looks far too small for his head. Truly big-brained.

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  17. neutral says:

    The world cup is starting soon, in your own land. Even if you are completed jaded with such things, you still need to pretend to show some form of excitement and interest in it.

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    It is just football.

    Expensive football.

    https://imgur.com/38FMU5V.jpg
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  18. Mitleser says:
    @neutral
    The world cup is starting soon, in your own land. Even if you are completed jaded with such things, you still need to pretend to show some form of excitement and interest in it.

    It is just football.

    Expensive football.

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    Cyrillic is not my strong point, is that supposed to be all the military that is going to guard the world cup?
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  19. Lauren Southern is doing God’s work.

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    Ukrainian nationalists should probably be financing Dugin - no greater Russophobia than the dream of integrating us into some Asian, socialist, Christian-Islamic-Mongol amalgamation horror.

    But the joke is on them - since the entire man is a form of 'standup comedy'.
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  20. anon[265] • Disclaimer says:

    Suffice to say I disagree with Rezun’s theory, and can also commend the comments by Thorfinnsson, Ivan K., and most of the ones by Arioch. Perhaps I will do a post on this eventually (Ron has urged me to in the past), but it would mostly just be a restatement of the “WHO PLANNED TO ATTACK WHOM, AND HOW?” chapter of Absolute War by Chris Bellamy.

    There is more than enough endless arguing back and forth about WW2. You are hardcore gamer, why not review this game

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1662858658/barbarossa-anime-card-game-from-japan/description

    for.. ehmm… historical accuracy?

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  21. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin
    They are no longer banned, I have dropped all bans nearly a year ago. Low quality comments are now just hidden under the MORE tag. Funnily enough, nobody seems to complain about that, probably because they subconsciously agree that my assessment is correct.

    More likely they couldn’t give too much of a ****.

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    Fine by me either way, Mike.
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  22. neutral says:
    @Mitleser
    It is just football.

    Expensive football.

    https://imgur.com/38FMU5V.jpg

    Cyrillic is not my strong point, is that supposed to be all the military that is going to guard the world cup?

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    Military protection for Stadium "Fisht" in Sochi.

    Frankly I think the money would be better spent buying capital equipment or trying to prevent Russian satellites from crashing all the time.

    , @Mitleser
    Just the ones who guard Sochi and its stadion.

    There are more units elsewhere.

    Zenit Stadion
    https://abload.de/img/34535204_200965256262dfu70.jpg

    Black Sea Fleet was reinforced by 3 small missile ships with cruise missiles recently in order to deter Ukrops.
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  23. neutral says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    I'm curious what people make of Unz's article about David Irving, or about David Irving himself.

    Sorry to AK if this attracts his one banned group of commenters. There are a bunch of them over at Unz's thread, but I'd like to hear the opinions of the more reasonable people from AK's readers, particularly German_reader and Reiner Tor.

    more reasonable people

    Why don’t you say it straight what you are trying to say, discussing jews is not allowed and anyone who does is considered “unreasonable”.

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    Dude, relax. We discuss Jews here all the time.
    , @DFH
    You can criticise Jews without thinking that the Nazis did nothing wrong with relation to any population
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  24. @neutral
    Cyrillic is not my strong point, is that supposed to be all the military that is going to guard the world cup?

    Military protection for Stadium “Fisht” in Sochi.

    Frankly I think the money would be better spent buying capital equipment or trying to prevent Russian satellites from crashing all the time.

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  25. Mitleser says:
    @neutral
    Cyrillic is not my strong point, is that supposed to be all the military that is going to guard the world cup?

    Just the ones who guard Sochi and its stadion.

    There are more units elsewhere.

    Zenit Stadion

    Black Sea Fleet was reinforced by 3 small missile ships with cruise missiles recently in order to deter Ukrops.

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  26. To be honest, I still haven’t figured out the meaning of the title. The closest I got was Transylvanian + Siberian (?).

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  27. @neutral

    more reasonable people
     
    Why don't you say it straight what you are trying to say, discussing jews is not allowed and anyone who does is considered "unreasonable".

    Dude, relax. We discuss Jews here all the time.

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  28. @German_reader
    I've only skimmed through the article about David Irving (same for the one about Suvorov's thesis, that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn't interest me much). Have never read something by David Irving and Unz's article hasn't persuaded me to do so. My impression of him is the "standard" one, that is someone whose historical writing is influenced to such a degree by a specific agenda that there's probably not much point in engaging with it.

    “My impression of him is the “standard” one.”

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.

    “that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn’t interest me much”

    Let me pose the problem differently:

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?

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    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct,
     
    There are several standard WWII histories. The standard history of the WWII in Russia is different from the standard history of the WWII in the US.
    , @German_reader

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.
     
    Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention. He also seems to have some sort of issue with America's Jewish population (a "self-hating Jew" professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him. So I don't think his positive evaluation of David Irving is that surprising.

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct
     
    The fundamental points of the established narrative are all basically correct imo (e.g. Nazi Germany started an aggressive, unjustified war in 1939, the war against the Soviet Union wasn't merely a preemptive strike, but a racial war of conquest and extermination, the Holocaust did happen). I don't see much point in revisionism which tries to claim this is all just lies, propaganda etc.
    That being said, there may be grounds for revisionism in some specific questions (at the risk of offending our esteemed host AK: there are elements of the "27 million Soviet dead" figure that at first glance seem dubious me; if I understand correctly, it is claimed that 2 million Soviet forced labourers died in Germany. I find that number very difficult to believe).
    More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself. I don't think though revisionism of the David Irving kind can play any constructive role here.
    Btw, I found it quite funny how you classified reiner tor and me as belonging to the "more reasonable" commenters here...sounded a bit like "You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you're sort of the moderate Nazis around here" :-)
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?
     
    I'll throw one out: Hitler's military competence is seriously underrated.

    It was certainly higher than Stalin's (contra Kholmogorov and established opinion). Fortunately, Stalin started intervening a lot less after the first half-year.

    I also consider that the USSR only very narrowly escaped defeat in 1941-42. This is not an uncommon view in the West (e.g. Mark Harrison, also Overy IIRC), but it is near heretical in Russia.
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  29. DFH says:
    @neutral

    more reasonable people
     
    Why don't you say it straight what you are trying to say, discussing jews is not allowed and anyone who does is considered "unreasonable".

    You can criticise Jews without thinking that the Nazis did nothing wrong with relation to any population

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  30. notanon says:

    Hitler vs Stalin

    I think Hitler was a Napoleon type so any logical need to attack the Bolsheviks before they attacked first would be a rationalization for what he wanted ot do anyway rather than a reason for doing it however…

    despite that i think the internal logic is correct, if the Germans hadn’t started it then the Soviets would have done so eventually (especially if Germany hadn’t re-armed).

    The tragedy from my point of view is if Hitler had been more anti-Bolshevik than Napoleonic he might have won imo i.e. by (genuinely) treating the invasion as a liberation and recruiting more soldiers along the way from Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc instead of creating hostile partisans.

    (Although even better would have been the western powers taking out the Bolsheviks during the civil war.)

    Despite it all I do wonder if, had the Germans not attacked and Stalin hadn’t needed to re-Russify the soviet union to get people to fight, would the Russian people still exist as a people or would they have been bred with central Asians (as the early Bolsheviks seem to have had the same multicult ideals as modern PC).

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    The tragedy from my point of view is if Hitler had been more anti-Bolshevik than Napoleonic he might have won imo i.e. by (genuinely) treating the invasion as a liberation and recruiting more soldiers along the way from Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc instead of creating hostile partisans.
     
    Counter-Currents has some articles arguing for that, which I think shows some maturity given how easy it is to slip Hitler Did Nothing Wrong mode for White Nationalists (I would link it but I think their website dislikes my VPN).

    Despite it all I do wonder if, had the Germans not attacked and Stalin hadn’t needed to re-Russify the soviet union to get people to fight, would the Russian people still exist as a people or would they have been bred with central Asians (as the early Bolsheviks seem to have had the same multicult ideals as modern PC).
     
    I suspect that the long-term implementation of multicultural ideology without even the moderate de-korenization and defenestration of people like Sultan-Galiev that occurred later on would rather have led to massive ethnic tensions within the Soviet Union and more acrimony between Slavs and Central Asians (as well as everyone else).
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  31. melanf says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    "My impression of him is the “standard” one."

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.

    "that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn’t interest me much"

    Let me pose the problem differently:

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct,

    There are several standard WWII histories. The standard history of the WWII in Russia is different from the standard history of the WWII in the US.

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  32. @notanon
    Hitler vs Stalin

    I think Hitler was a Napoleon type so any logical need to attack the Bolsheviks before they attacked first would be a rationalization for what he wanted ot do anyway rather than a reason for doing it however...

    despite that i think the internal logic is correct, if the Germans hadn't started it then the Soviets would have done so eventually (especially if Germany hadn't re-armed).

    The tragedy from my point of view is if Hitler had been more anti-Bolshevik than Napoleonic he might have won imo i.e. by (genuinely) treating the invasion as a liberation and recruiting more soldiers along the way from Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc instead of creating hostile partisans.

    (Although even better would have been the western powers taking out the Bolsheviks during the civil war.)

    Despite it all I do wonder if, had the Germans not attacked and Stalin hadn't needed to re-Russify the soviet union to get people to fight, would the Russian people still exist as a people or would they have been bred with central Asians (as the early Bolsheviks seem to have had the same multicult ideals as modern PC).

    The tragedy from my point of view is if Hitler had been more anti-Bolshevik than Napoleonic he might have won imo i.e. by (genuinely) treating the invasion as a liberation and recruiting more soldiers along the way from Poland, Ukraine, Russia etc instead of creating hostile partisans.

    Counter-Currents has some articles arguing for that, which I think shows some maturity given how easy it is to slip Hitler Did Nothing Wrong mode for White Nationalists (I would link it but I think their website dislikes my VPN).

    Despite it all I do wonder if, had the Germans not attacked and Stalin hadn’t needed to re-Russify the soviet union to get people to fight, would the Russian people still exist as a people or would they have been bred with central Asians (as the early Bolsheviks seem to have had the same multicult ideals as modern PC).

    I suspect that the long-term implementation of multicultural ideology without even the moderate de-korenization and defenestration of people like Sultan-Galiev that occurred later on would rather have led to massive ethnic tensions within the Soviet Union and more acrimony between Slavs and Central Asians (as well as everyone else).

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  33. songbird says:
    @Hyperborean
    Perhaps the problem lies in the way it is phrased? Like the way some Americans have this talking-point about 'equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome' when really both sides end up having similar policy proposals.

    You are probably quite right. In advertisements, they never use AA, but always “equal opportunity.”

    A lot of companies are probably motivated by lawfare, but that still needs a certain level of political approval.

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  34. @The Big Red Scary
    "My impression of him is the “standard” one."

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.

    "that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn’t interest me much"

    Let me pose the problem differently:

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.

    Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention. He also seems to have some sort of issue with America’s Jewish population (a “self-hating Jew” professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him. So I don’t think his positive evaluation of David Irving is that surprising.

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct

    The fundamental points of the established narrative are all basically correct imo (e.g. Nazi Germany started an aggressive, unjustified war in 1939, the war against the Soviet Union wasn’t merely a preemptive strike, but a racial war of conquest and extermination, the Holocaust did happen). I don’t see much point in revisionism which tries to claim this is all just lies, propaganda etc.
    That being said, there may be grounds for revisionism in some specific questions (at the risk of offending our esteemed host AK: there are elements of the “27 million Soviet dead” figure that at first glance seem dubious me; if I understand correctly, it is claimed that 2 million Soviet forced labourers died in Germany. I find that number very difficult to believe).
    More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself. I don’t think though revisionism of the David Irving kind can play any constructive role here.
    Btw, I found it quite funny how you classified reiner tor and me as belonging to the “more reasonable” commenters here…sounded a bit like “You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you’re sort of the moderate Nazis around here” :-)

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    The true victims of Naziphobia are always the moderate Nazis just trying to live their lives.

    More seriously, while I would agree that the fundamental points so to say are correct, there seems to be a lack of context regarding a lot of things about the war.

    , @melanf

    there are elements of the “27 million Soviet dead” figure that at first glance seem dubious me
     
    More realistic number-20 million (according to new estimates). But in "standard story about WW2 ", it doesn't change anything.
    , @The Big Red Scary
    "Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention."

    He compared David Irving to E.O. Wilson. The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob. To me, it shows very
    poor judgement to paint the two with the same brush just to score some points against your outgroup.


    "More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself."

    Agreed.

    “You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you’re sort of the moderate Nazis around here”

    Well, I could have asked for the opinion of our very own future POTUS concerning the H-man.

    Seriously, though, I think you and reiner tor are both well read and have a respect for the facts. I even share some of your concerns (for example about immigration of unassimilable groups and the madness of the poz). But I can't manage to muster the same kind of outrage over it all. Probably because I'm happily busy raising my own family in a nice little town full of other nice happy families, so I don't feel it personally.

    I guess that makes me the moderate hippie around here.
    , @for-the-record
    The only complete book I have read by Irving was his account of the Nuremberg trials, which seemed to me to be extraordinarily well researched and not unduly affected by his biases. I learned a lot from it that wasn't to be found in more conventional accounts.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Nuremberg/

    I wonder if reiner Tor has read his book on the Hungarian uprising, and if so would be interested in his observations.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Uprising/index.html
    , @Yevardian
    His interest re-interested me in the topic of Irving and Rezun, I would trust Unz's judgement more than most columnists here (admittedly a mostly low bar, but still). Irving himself seems a somewhat dubious figure, but I feel this way more because of his hyperbolic Cold War red-baiting in the style of Yuri Bezmenov than anything else.
    But there are other things too make me doubt the standard narrative, for instance R.J.P Taylor historiography of WWII has been almost completely forgotten since the Holocaust became a secular religion. My gut feeling is that the 6 million number is at least greatly exaggerated, seeing as how even Armenians have pulled ridiculous figures as high as 2.5 million in our own genocide. The problem is the association 'denial' has with other positions, I doubt the holocaust happened but I don't particularly care about Israel or Jews either.
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  35. @German_reader

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.
     
    Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention. He also seems to have some sort of issue with America's Jewish population (a "self-hating Jew" professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him. So I don't think his positive evaluation of David Irving is that surprising.

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct
     
    The fundamental points of the established narrative are all basically correct imo (e.g. Nazi Germany started an aggressive, unjustified war in 1939, the war against the Soviet Union wasn't merely a preemptive strike, but a racial war of conquest and extermination, the Holocaust did happen). I don't see much point in revisionism which tries to claim this is all just lies, propaganda etc.
    That being said, there may be grounds for revisionism in some specific questions (at the risk of offending our esteemed host AK: there are elements of the "27 million Soviet dead" figure that at first glance seem dubious me; if I understand correctly, it is claimed that 2 million Soviet forced labourers died in Germany. I find that number very difficult to believe).
    More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself. I don't think though revisionism of the David Irving kind can play any constructive role here.
    Btw, I found it quite funny how you classified reiner tor and me as belonging to the "more reasonable" commenters here...sounded a bit like "You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you're sort of the moderate Nazis around here" :-)

    The true victims of Naziphobia are always the moderate Nazis just trying to live their lives.

    More seriously, while I would agree that the fundamental points so to say are correct, there seems to be a lack of context regarding a lot of things about the war.

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    there seems to be a lack of context regarding a lot of things about the war.
     
    Examples?
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  36. @Hyperborean
    The true victims of Naziphobia are always the moderate Nazis just trying to live their lives.

    More seriously, while I would agree that the fundamental points so to say are correct, there seems to be a lack of context regarding a lot of things about the war.

    there seems to be a lack of context regarding a lot of things about the war.

    Examples?

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    Like the fact that I tend to hear the Holocaust referred to as the genocide committed by the Nazis, singular tense primarily used. While tragic, no part of Jewish suffering was unique.

    From the point of their national interest Britain and France probably shouldn't have declared war on Germany in 1939.

    Roosevelt was trying to provoke America into war and, at least with Japan, was not necessary for the US.

    The difficult situation that the Vichy government was put in.

    The Eastern Front, while the most bloody part, was not some zerg-rush by asiatic Russians.

    The lack of mention of what exactly would have happened to most of the slavic population of Europe if Germany had won.

    These are the one from the top of my head.

    Admittedly, some/mainly parts of this is just frustration at clueless normies.

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  37. Talha says:

    It begins…

    “Austria is closing seven mosques and could expel dozens of imams from the country, the government has announced.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/06/austria-shut-7-mosques-expel-dozens-imams-180608074940766.html

    And I’ll take my responses off the air…

    Peace.

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    Is Ramadan over? If it is, I suppose I should say welcome back Talha.
    , @songbird

    Turkey lashed out at Austria for the policies, calling the moves "anti-Islam" and "racist".
     
    I know there is such a domestic audience and a foreign one, but Turkey should really steer clear of even hinting at Nazism. It doesn't reflect well on them at all, to conjure up old history about ethnic cleansing, esp. to have it as a knee-jerk reaction and to even call the Dutch "Nazis."

    Ditto, for "Anti-Islam." How many Christians are there in Turkey now? Not including tourists, is it more than I can count on my hand? And what happened to them? No, it does not reflect well on them at all - and they should steer clear.

    Their strategy of conquest should have instead been about the make-believe benefits of an economic union with Turkey, but it is probably too late for that now. People are wise to their plans.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Don’t worry, Talha, as long as Austrians keep not having kids and Muslims there keep having several kids per woman, the country will turn Muslim anyway. Then they can reopen whatever mosques and hire whatever imams they want.
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  38. @Talha
    It begins...

    “Austria is closing seven mosques and could expel dozens of imams from the country, the government has announced.”
    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/06/austria-shut-7-mosques-expel-dozens-imams-180608074940766.html

    And I’ll take my responses off the air...

    Peace.

    Is Ramadan over? If it is, I suppose I should say welcome back Talha.

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    Nope, just popping in; I thought that article would be an interesting topic regarding limits of religious/political speech in a modern secular state and how cost/benefits are taken into consideration.

    I might pop in again, but probably not until next weekend.

    Peace.
    , @Yevardian
    *groan*
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  39. melanf says:
    @German_reader

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.
     
    Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention. He also seems to have some sort of issue with America's Jewish population (a "self-hating Jew" professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him. So I don't think his positive evaluation of David Irving is that surprising.

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct
     
    The fundamental points of the established narrative are all basically correct imo (e.g. Nazi Germany started an aggressive, unjustified war in 1939, the war against the Soviet Union wasn't merely a preemptive strike, but a racial war of conquest and extermination, the Holocaust did happen). I don't see much point in revisionism which tries to claim this is all just lies, propaganda etc.
    That being said, there may be grounds for revisionism in some specific questions (at the risk of offending our esteemed host AK: there are elements of the "27 million Soviet dead" figure that at first glance seem dubious me; if I understand correctly, it is claimed that 2 million Soviet forced labourers died in Germany. I find that number very difficult to believe).
    More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself. I don't think though revisionism of the David Irving kind can play any constructive role here.
    Btw, I found it quite funny how you classified reiner tor and me as belonging to the "more reasonable" commenters here...sounded a bit like "You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you're sort of the moderate Nazis around here" :-)

    there are elements of the “27 million Soviet dead” figure that at first glance seem dubious me

    More realistic number-20 million (according to new estimates). But in “standard story about WW2 “, it doesn’t change anything.

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    But in “standard story about WW2 “, it doesn’t change anything.
     
    Yes, that's true, it doesn't change really anything about the fundamental issues.
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  40. @melanf

    there are elements of the “27 million Soviet dead” figure that at first glance seem dubious me
     
    More realistic number-20 million (according to new estimates). But in "standard story about WW2 ", it doesn't change anything.

    But in “standard story about WW2 “, it doesn’t change anything.

    Yes, that’s true, it doesn’t change really anything about the fundamental issues.

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  41. songbird says:
    @Talha
    It begins...

    “Austria is closing seven mosques and could expel dozens of imams from the country, the government has announced.”
    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/06/austria-shut-7-mosques-expel-dozens-imams-180608074940766.html

    And I’ll take my responses off the air...

    Peace.

    Turkey lashed out at Austria for the policies, calling the moves “anti-Islam” and “racist”.

    I know there is such a domestic audience and a foreign one, but Turkey should really steer clear of even hinting at Nazism. It doesn’t reflect well on them at all, to conjure up old history about ethnic cleansing, esp. to have it as a knee-jerk reaction and to even call the Dutch “Nazis.”

    Ditto, for “Anti-Islam.” How many Christians are there in Turkey now? Not including tourists, is it more than I can count on my hand? And what happened to them? No, it does not reflect well on them at all – and they should steer clear.

    Their strategy of conquest should have instead been about the make-believe benefits of an economic union with Turkey, but it is probably too late for that now. People are wise to their plans.

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  42. @German_reader

    there seems to be a lack of context regarding a lot of things about the war.
     
    Examples?

    Like the fact that I tend to hear the Holocaust referred to as the genocide committed by the Nazis, singular tense primarily used. While tragic, no part of Jewish suffering was unique.

    From the point of their national interest Britain and France probably shouldn’t have declared war on Germany in 1939.

    Roosevelt was trying to provoke America into war and, at least with Japan, was not necessary for the US.

    The difficult situation that the Vichy government was put in.

    The Eastern Front, while the most bloody part, was not some zerg-rush by asiatic Russians.

    The lack of mention of what exactly would have happened to most of the slavic population of Europe if Germany had won.

    These are the one from the top of my head.

    Admittedly, some/mainly parts of this is just frustration at clueless normies.

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    While tragic, no part of Jewish suffering was unique.
     
    I don't know, Jews did occupy a special place in the Nazi world view, as absolutely evil archenemy. What other group was to be completely physically destroyed? A Nazi victory would obviously have been pretty bad for Slavs, but Nazi views about them seem more fluid and pragmatic to me (e.g. at least some part of Poles and Czechs were considered as suitable for Germanization), whereas policies towards Jews remained set on total extermination right until the end.

    Roosevelt was trying to provoke America into war and, at least with Japan, was not necessary for the US.
     
    The US had been a Pacific power since at least the Spanish-American war, so preventing the creation of an autarkic Japanese empire there could be seen as a legitimate American national interest.

    The Eastern Front, while the most bloody part, was not some zerg-rush by asiatic Russians.
     
    Is that really still a common view? I can't recall ever having encountered it quite like that (at least most people seem to be somewhat aware of the quality of Soviet weapons and Soviet industrial output).
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    Putler selling out the country.

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  44. @German_reader

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.
     
    Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention. He also seems to have some sort of issue with America's Jewish population (a "self-hating Jew" professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him. So I don't think his positive evaluation of David Irving is that surprising.

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct
     
    The fundamental points of the established narrative are all basically correct imo (e.g. Nazi Germany started an aggressive, unjustified war in 1939, the war against the Soviet Union wasn't merely a preemptive strike, but a racial war of conquest and extermination, the Holocaust did happen). I don't see much point in revisionism which tries to claim this is all just lies, propaganda etc.
    That being said, there may be grounds for revisionism in some specific questions (at the risk of offending our esteemed host AK: there are elements of the "27 million Soviet dead" figure that at first glance seem dubious me; if I understand correctly, it is claimed that 2 million Soviet forced labourers died in Germany. I find that number very difficult to believe).
    More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself. I don't think though revisionism of the David Irving kind can play any constructive role here.
    Btw, I found it quite funny how you classified reiner tor and me as belonging to the "more reasonable" commenters here...sounded a bit like "You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you're sort of the moderate Nazis around here" :-)

    “Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention.”

    He compared David Irving to E.O. Wilson. The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob. To me, it shows very
    poor judgement to paint the two with the same brush just to score some points against your outgroup.

    “More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself.”

    Agreed.

    “You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you’re sort of the moderate Nazis around here”

    Well, I could have asked for the opinion of our very own future POTUS concerning the H-man.

    Seriously, though, I think you and reiner tor are both well read and have a respect for the facts. I even share some of your concerns (for example about immigration of unassimilable groups and the madness of the poz). But I can’t manage to muster the same kind of outrage over it all. Probably because I’m happily busy raising my own family in a nice little town full of other nice happy families, so I don’t feel it personally.

    I guess that makes me the moderate hippie around here.

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    To me, it shows very poor judgement
     
    Unz' judgement could be faulted on many issues, imo he does take his contrarianism too far at times. The establishment is rotten to the core, but that doesn't mean every anti-establishment view is correct or worthy of serious consideration.
    That being said, I'm grateful that he's provided this fantastic site with its great commenting system for us.
    , @utu

    former appears to be a right-wing nutjob
     
    You do not know much about David Irving and his work, do you? He is a very good historian. He got to sources and archives before anybody. He was respected na reviewed in MSM by all major historians. His books were selling well also because we writes very well. And he was first to show more German point of view and go away from the cartoonish history based on WWII propaganda and tabloid press. Mostly he stayed away from Holocaust issues. He was making a lot of money. This made him cocky. He was well respected until the point when it was decided that he had to be brought down. This point possibly was his participation in Zundel trial which was a severe defat for the official version of Holocaust. He could have lasted longer on diminished earnings as publishers began to refuse to publish him but he was pushed and pushed until he decided to sue Deborah Lipstadt. This was his greatest mistake, I think. Huge resources were made available to Lipstadt defense team. He lost and he was ruined.

    We all should be grateful that David Irving decided to become a historian.
    , @DFH

    The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob.
     
    Irving is undoubtedly a serious historian though, and everyone thought so until he started writing things they didn't like about the Holocaust. I don't know enough about WWII history to give a good assesment of his work, but many of the things identified by Richard Evans, the most hostile possible critic, seem to be minor, certainly I didn't notice anything strikingly crazy or dishonest. It sounds to me like you've just swallowed the smears against him unthinkingly, like someone who hadn't read up on it might do on any of the race realists who were respectable academics right up until they said something that Jews didn't like. But by all means correct me if you have a good reason to think that he's not a serious historian.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Don't you live in Japan as an Evil Kremlin Agent? You're fairly well insulated from basically any aspect of the insanity.
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  45. Talha says:
    @Hyperborean
    Is Ramadan over? If it is, I suppose I should say welcome back Talha.

    Nope, just popping in; I thought that article would be an interesting topic regarding limits of religious/political speech in a modern secular state and how cost/benefits are taken into consideration.

    I might pop in again, but probably not until next weekend.

    Peace.

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  46. @Hyperborean
    Like the fact that I tend to hear the Holocaust referred to as the genocide committed by the Nazis, singular tense primarily used. While tragic, no part of Jewish suffering was unique.

    From the point of their national interest Britain and France probably shouldn't have declared war on Germany in 1939.

    Roosevelt was trying to provoke America into war and, at least with Japan, was not necessary for the US.

    The difficult situation that the Vichy government was put in.

    The Eastern Front, while the most bloody part, was not some zerg-rush by asiatic Russians.

    The lack of mention of what exactly would have happened to most of the slavic population of Europe if Germany had won.

    These are the one from the top of my head.

    Admittedly, some/mainly parts of this is just frustration at clueless normies.

    While tragic, no part of Jewish suffering was unique.

    I don’t know, Jews did occupy a special place in the Nazi world view, as absolutely evil archenemy. What other group was to be completely physically destroyed? A Nazi victory would obviously have been pretty bad for Slavs, but Nazi views about them seem more fluid and pragmatic to me (e.g. at least some part of Poles and Czechs were considered as suitable for Germanization), whereas policies towards Jews remained set on total extermination right until the end.

    Roosevelt was trying to provoke America into war and, at least with Japan, was not necessary for the US.

    The US had been a Pacific power since at least the Spanish-American war, so preventing the creation of an autarkic Japanese empire there could be seen as a legitimate American national interest.

    The Eastern Front, while the most bloody part, was not some zerg-rush by asiatic Russians.

    Is that really still a common view? I can’t recall ever having encountered it quite like that (at least most people seem to be somewhat aware of the quality of Soviet weapons and Soviet industrial output).

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    What other group was to be completely physically destroyed?
     
    While I can't speak with absolute certainty I suspect gypsies would also have been completely eradicated.

    There is also the case that many part-Jews (or fake part-Jews) managed to get a pass from the German authorities (some even serving in the Wehrmacht), which I think is somewhat comparable to the plans for Germanised Slavs (which was often based on real or false ideas of 'Aryan' ancestry).

    The US had been a Pacific power since at least the Spanish-American war, so preventing the creation of an autarkic Japanese empire there could be seen as a legitimate American national interest.
     
    Alright, that might be a fair point, but I don't like this American victim attitude where Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for no reason (although Japan was partly to blame as well).

    Is that really still a common view? I can’t recall ever having encountered it quite like that (at least most people seem to be somewhat aware of the quality of Soviet weapons and Soviet industrial output).
     
    I don't know much about their opinions about Soviet weapons or industrial output but generally people I have talked to have a skewed view of the death ratios of the German and Soviet soldiers.

    Granted I don't really talk about WWII to the depth that we do here that often so my sample rate is not that large, perhaps if I talked to more people I would hear a different view, but the ones I have talked to were quite mainstream in their political views.
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  47. Trump proposed Russia be readmitted to G7 (G8).

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    So it's true, he's just a Russian pawn. Stinking commies.
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  48. @The Big Red Scary
    "Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention."

    He compared David Irving to E.O. Wilson. The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob. To me, it shows very
    poor judgement to paint the two with the same brush just to score some points against your outgroup.


    "More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself."

    Agreed.

    “You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you’re sort of the moderate Nazis around here”

    Well, I could have asked for the opinion of our very own future POTUS concerning the H-man.

    Seriously, though, I think you and reiner tor are both well read and have a respect for the facts. I even share some of your concerns (for example about immigration of unassimilable groups and the madness of the poz). But I can't manage to muster the same kind of outrage over it all. Probably because I'm happily busy raising my own family in a nice little town full of other nice happy families, so I don't feel it personally.

    I guess that makes me the moderate hippie around here.

    To me, it shows very poor judgement

    Unz’ judgement could be faulted on many issues, imo he does take his contrarianism too far at times. The establishment is rotten to the core, but that doesn’t mean every anti-establishment view is correct or worthy of serious consideration.
    That being said, I’m grateful that he’s provided this fantastic site with its great commenting system for us.

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  49. @German_reader

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.
     
    Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention. He also seems to have some sort of issue with America's Jewish population (a "self-hating Jew" professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him. So I don't think his positive evaluation of David Irving is that surprising.

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct
     
    The fundamental points of the established narrative are all basically correct imo (e.g. Nazi Germany started an aggressive, unjustified war in 1939, the war against the Soviet Union wasn't merely a preemptive strike, but a racial war of conquest and extermination, the Holocaust did happen). I don't see much point in revisionism which tries to claim this is all just lies, propaganda etc.
    That being said, there may be grounds for revisionism in some specific questions (at the risk of offending our esteemed host AK: there are elements of the "27 million Soviet dead" figure that at first glance seem dubious me; if I understand correctly, it is claimed that 2 million Soviet forced labourers died in Germany. I find that number very difficult to believe).
    More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself. I don't think though revisionism of the David Irving kind can play any constructive role here.
    Btw, I found it quite funny how you classified reiner tor and me as belonging to the "more reasonable" commenters here...sounded a bit like "You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you're sort of the moderate Nazis around here" :-)

    The only complete book I have read by Irving was his account of the Nuremberg trials, which seemed to me to be extraordinarily well researched and not unduly affected by his biases. I learned a lot from it that wasn’t to be found in more conventional accounts.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Nuremberg/

    I wonder if reiner Tor has read his book on the Hungarian uprising, and if so would be interested in his observations.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Uprising/index.html

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  50. utu says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    "Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention."

    He compared David Irving to E.O. Wilson. The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob. To me, it shows very
    poor judgement to paint the two with the same brush just to score some points against your outgroup.


    "More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself."

    Agreed.

    “You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you’re sort of the moderate Nazis around here”

    Well, I could have asked for the opinion of our very own future POTUS concerning the H-man.

    Seriously, though, I think you and reiner tor are both well read and have a respect for the facts. I even share some of your concerns (for example about immigration of unassimilable groups and the madness of the poz). But I can't manage to muster the same kind of outrage over it all. Probably because I'm happily busy raising my own family in a nice little town full of other nice happy families, so I don't feel it personally.

    I guess that makes me the moderate hippie around here.

    former appears to be a right-wing nutjob

    You do not know much about David Irving and his work, do you? He is a very good historian. He got to sources and archives before anybody. He was respected na reviewed in MSM by all major historians. His books were selling well also because we writes very well. And he was first to show more German point of view and go away from the cartoonish history based on WWII propaganda and tabloid press. Mostly he stayed away from Holocaust issues. He was making a lot of money. This made him cocky. He was well respected until the point when it was decided that he had to be brought down. This point possibly was his participation in Zundel trial which was a severe defat for the official version of Holocaust. He could have lasted longer on diminished earnings as publishers began to refuse to publish him but he was pushed and pushed until he decided to sue Deborah Lipstadt. This was his greatest mistake, I think. Huge resources were made available to Lipstadt defense team. He lost and he was ruined.

    We all should be grateful that David Irving decided to become a historian.

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  51. I happened to be in Lisbon on the day of Alvaro Cunhal’s funeral.

    There must have been, at least, a few hundred thousand people lining the route. The city was covered in red flags.

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  52. I eagerly await Ron Unz’s next essay: The Employment of Prussic Acid in Delousing Chambers. :)

    Big Red Scary is unduly harsh on Irving, but he’s right that Irving shouldn’t be compared to E.O. Wilson.

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  53. DFH says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    "Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention."

    He compared David Irving to E.O. Wilson. The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob. To me, it shows very
    poor judgement to paint the two with the same brush just to score some points against your outgroup.


    "More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself."

    Agreed.

    “You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you’re sort of the moderate Nazis around here”

    Well, I could have asked for the opinion of our very own future POTUS concerning the H-man.

    Seriously, though, I think you and reiner tor are both well read and have a respect for the facts. I even share some of your concerns (for example about immigration of unassimilable groups and the madness of the poz). But I can't manage to muster the same kind of outrage over it all. Probably because I'm happily busy raising my own family in a nice little town full of other nice happy families, so I don't feel it personally.

    I guess that makes me the moderate hippie around here.

    The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob.

    Irving is undoubtedly a serious historian though, and everyone thought so until he started writing things they didn’t like about the Holocaust. I don’t know enough about WWII history to give a good assesment of his work, but many of the things identified by Richard Evans, the most hostile possible critic, seem to be minor, certainly I didn’t notice anything strikingly crazy or dishonest. It sounds to me like you’ve just swallowed the smears against him unthinkingly, like someone who hadn’t read up on it might do on any of the race realists who were respectable academics right up until they said something that Jews didn’t like. But by all means correct me if you have a good reason to think that he’s not a serious historian.

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    "But by all means correct me if you have a good reason to think that he’s not a serious historian."

    I was referring to his activism rather than to his books. I asked for the opinions of others in good faith, and am willing to update my own opinion as I gather further information. But I don't care much either way.
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  54. @Mikhail
    More likely they couldn't give too much of a ****.

    Fine by me either way, Mike.

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  55. @The Big Red Scary
    "My impression of him is the “standard” one."

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.

    "that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn’t interest me much"

    Let me pose the problem differently:

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?

    I’ll throw one out: Hitler’s military competence is seriously underrated.

    It was certainly higher than Stalin’s (contra Kholmogorov and established opinion). Fortunately, Stalin started intervening a lot less after the first half-year.

    I also consider that the USSR only very narrowly escaped defeat in 1941-42. This is not an uncommon view in the West (e.g. Mark Harrison, also Overy IIRC), but it is near heretical in Russia.

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    Fortunately, Stalin started intervening a lot less after the first half-year.
     
    Where did you get this information? Historians (known to me ) claim is quite different (Stalin directed the war from 41 to 45). And Stalin proved to be a competent military leader.
    , @Dmitry

    I’ll throw one out: Hitler’s military competence is seriously underrated.

     

    I think the professional historians understand most things in this are. Where he makes mistakes, where he is totally suicidal, but where also his intuition is accurate, and where he is impressive - with obsessional knowledge of every tank, etc.

    The problem is it's also a lot like going to the casino and having thousands of spins on wheel.

    99.999 +% of us are never ordering armies from our desks (never even having a single spin on the wheel), so it's quite difficult to judge whether he was just the lunatic/audacious/reckless idiot who is sometimes lucky, or whether this game he was playing was actually a difficult one and his moves were following some subtle but accurate intuition. I hypothesize a lot of his advantage was that military technology and format of this historical era was one which rewards particularly lunatic/audacious/reckless behaviour, and which punished cautious/indecisive/non-audacious and slowness above everything.

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  56. melanf says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?
     
    I'll throw one out: Hitler's military competence is seriously underrated.

    It was certainly higher than Stalin's (contra Kholmogorov and established opinion). Fortunately, Stalin started intervening a lot less after the first half-year.

    I also consider that the USSR only very narrowly escaped defeat in 1941-42. This is not an uncommon view in the West (e.g. Mark Harrison, also Overy IIRC), but it is near heretical in Russia.

    Fortunately, Stalin started intervening a lot less after the first half-year.

    Where did you get this information? Historians (known to me ) claim is quite different (Stalin directed the war from 41 to 45). And Stalin proved to be a competent military leader.

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    Stalin was forever demanding the Red Army snap up more than it could handle, which time and time again led to encirclements.

    This was absolutely catastrophic in 1941.

    Fortunately, it became less of an issue later on, as (1) Stalin easened up on his demands to push further than Soviet logistics could handle, and (2) the Red Army itself improved.

    Even so, this was still an issue even in 1943, e.g. the premature capture of Kharkov right after Stalingrad, which led to yet another envelopment and bad defeat.

    Hitler pushed for the correct plan against France in 1940, avoiding a war of attrition that Germany was not well-placed to win. He also insisted against a retreat after the Battle of Moscow in late 1941, which was also the correct decision and one that avoided the possible collapse of Army Group Center. In fairness, the quality of his decisions declined afterwards, but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.
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  57. Dmitry says:
    @Spisarevski
    Lauren Southern is doing God's work.

    https://i.imgur.com/GeammBz.jpg

    Ukrainian nationalists should probably be financing Dugin – no greater Russophobia than the dream of integrating us into some Asian, socialist, Christian-Islamic-Mongol amalgamation horror.

    But the joke is on them – since the entire man is a form of ‘standup comedy’.

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    Well, I've always said that I enjoy Dugin as a character. I like seeing him pop up in unexpected places or paired off with other big names, like his Infowars appearances. The problem is the people who take it all seriously, and there are a lot of otherwise intelligent people who unfortunately do. The idea that Eurasianism is the Russian conservative tradition is pretty much ubiquitous in right-wing circles these days. I've even met American-born Orthodox who seemed to be under the delusion he's a theologian. To go from being a marginal figure in your own country to getting this kind of reputation internationally in a few years without actually doing anything is the sort of luck you only hear about in old stories.
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  58. @DFH

    The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob.
     
    Irving is undoubtedly a serious historian though, and everyone thought so until he started writing things they didn't like about the Holocaust. I don't know enough about WWII history to give a good assesment of his work, but many of the things identified by Richard Evans, the most hostile possible critic, seem to be minor, certainly I didn't notice anything strikingly crazy or dishonest. It sounds to me like you've just swallowed the smears against him unthinkingly, like someone who hadn't read up on it might do on any of the race realists who were respectable academics right up until they said something that Jews didn't like. But by all means correct me if you have a good reason to think that he's not a serious historian.

    “But by all means correct me if you have a good reason to think that he’s not a serious historian.”

    I was referring to his activism rather than to his books. I asked for the opinions of others in good faith, and am willing to update my own opinion as I gather further information. But I don’t care much either way.

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  59. @melanf

    Fortunately, Stalin started intervening a lot less after the first half-year.
     
    Where did you get this information? Historians (known to me ) claim is quite different (Stalin directed the war from 41 to 45). And Stalin proved to be a competent military leader.

    Stalin was forever demanding the Red Army snap up more than it could handle, which time and time again led to encirclements.

    This was absolutely catastrophic in 1941.

    Fortunately, it became less of an issue later on, as (1) Stalin easened up on his demands to push further than Soviet logistics could handle, and (2) the Red Army itself improved.

    Even so, this was still an issue even in 1943, e.g. the premature capture of Kharkov right after Stalingrad, which led to yet another envelopment and bad defeat.

    Hitler pushed for the correct plan against France in 1940, avoiding a war of attrition that Germany was not well-placed to win. He also insisted against a retreat after the Battle of Moscow in late 1941, which was also the correct decision and one that avoided the possible collapse of Army Group Center. In fairness, the quality of his decisions declined afterwards, but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.

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    Stalin was forever demanding the Red Army snap up more than it could handle, which time and time again led to encirclements.
     
    It's clearly a fantasy. If you mean the German encirclement of Kiev in 41, then to keep Kiev - it was the requirement of Marshal Shaposhnikov (who was a professional military of the tsarist era). But here Budenny (it became known recently) offered to withdraw troops from Kiev. Similarly, Kharkiv 43-the offensive was the initiative of General Vatutin (and the General staff objected to this). Similarly, Stalingrad-many Generals categorically opposed the offensive (the plan of offensive was proposed by other generals), arguing that it is push further than Soviet logistics could handle and will end in a disaster for the red army. But here Stalin pushed for the correct plan (against these Generals who opposed the offensive). That is the story about bad Stalin/good generals is complete, absolute nonsense.
    , @Thorfinnsson

    but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.
     
    I quibble with this. People have a tendency to view World War 2 in naturalistic terms in which the "tide" inevitably "turned" with Stalingrad and El Alamein.

    In light of continually increasing output of German armaments after Stalingrad, this seems unlikely.

    Some better decision making and good luck and perhaps the Germans could've stalemated the war.

    A series of critical errors were made by the Germans in 1943:

    • Throwing away the Eastern Front's mobile reserves on Kursk
    • Sacrificing Army Group Africa (loss was as disastrous as Stalingrad, but gained nothing unlike the sacrifice of the Sixth Army)
    • Inadequate response to the Combined Bombing Offensive

    Errors continued into 1944, but by that point in time it seems like the H-man was actually crazy.

    I have less of a problem with viewing the Pacific War in naturalistic terms owing to Japan's gross deficiencies in everything other than courage.
    , @Yevardian
    This idea of Stalin as a 'grey smear', a dull and incompetent bureaucrat who rose through stealth is a smear by Trotsky that has been Western canon ever since. Butthurt Trotskyites and liberasts still push this narrative in spite of the obvious facts about his life since childhood. He was always an exceptional talent, was greatly feared by Lenin in private, and would have played a significant role in history whether Nicholas II ran Russia into a ditch or not.
    , @iffen
    (2) the Red Army itself improved.


    Thank the Good Lord for Trotsky!
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  60. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct, or are there
    some important and non-standard points that should be made?
     
    I'll throw one out: Hitler's military competence is seriously underrated.

    It was certainly higher than Stalin's (contra Kholmogorov and established opinion). Fortunately, Stalin started intervening a lot less after the first half-year.

    I also consider that the USSR only very narrowly escaped defeat in 1941-42. This is not an uncommon view in the West (e.g. Mark Harrison, also Overy IIRC), but it is near heretical in Russia.

    I’ll throw one out: Hitler’s military competence is seriously underrated.

    I think the professional historians understand most things in this are. Where he makes mistakes, where he is totally suicidal, but where also his intuition is accurate, and where he is impressive – with obsessional knowledge of every tank, etc.

    The problem is it’s also a lot like going to the casino and having thousands of spins on wheel.

    99.999 +% of us are never ordering armies from our desks (never even having a single spin on the wheel), so it’s quite difficult to judge whether he was just the lunatic/audacious/reckless idiot who is sometimes lucky, or whether this game he was playing was actually a difficult one and his moves were following some subtle but accurate intuition. I hypothesize a lot of his advantage was that military technology and format of this historical era was one which rewards particularly lunatic/audacious/reckless behaviour, and which punished cautious/indecisive/non-audacious and slowness above everything.

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  61. melanf says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Stalin was forever demanding the Red Army snap up more than it could handle, which time and time again led to encirclements.

    This was absolutely catastrophic in 1941.

    Fortunately, it became less of an issue later on, as (1) Stalin easened up on his demands to push further than Soviet logistics could handle, and (2) the Red Army itself improved.

    Even so, this was still an issue even in 1943, e.g. the premature capture of Kharkov right after Stalingrad, which led to yet another envelopment and bad defeat.

    Hitler pushed for the correct plan against France in 1940, avoiding a war of attrition that Germany was not well-placed to win. He also insisted against a retreat after the Battle of Moscow in late 1941, which was also the correct decision and one that avoided the possible collapse of Army Group Center. In fairness, the quality of his decisions declined afterwards, but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.

    Stalin was forever demanding the Red Army snap up more than it could handle, which time and time again led to encirclements.

    It’s clearly a fantasy. If you mean the German encirclement of Kiev in 41, then to keep Kiev – it was the requirement of Marshal Shaposhnikov (who was a professional military of the tsarist era). But here Budenny (it became known recently) offered to withdraw troops from Kiev. Similarly, Kharkiv 43-the offensive was the initiative of General Vatutin (and the General staff objected to this). Similarly, Stalingrad-many Generals categorically opposed the offensive (the plan of offensive was proposed by other generals), arguing that it is push further than Soviet logistics could handle and will end in a disaster for the red army. But here Stalin pushed for the correct plan (against these Generals who opposed the offensive). That is the story about bad Stalin/good generals is complete, absolute nonsense.

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  62. utu says:
    @Polish Perspective
    Canada is thisclose to legalising marijuana. I don't see the problem. Alcohol is a deadlier drug. Banning alcohol didn't work - though Counter-Currents disagrees - so why would weed continually being banned work better compared to its legalisation?

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/miss-america-eliminates-swimsuits-and-wont-judge-on-looks


    The Miss America Organization is dropping the swimsuit competition, saying it will no longer judge contestants on their appearance.

    The competition began nearly 100 years ago in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as a bathing beauty contest designed to keep tourists coming to the seaside resort in the weekend after Labor Day.
    But it has run into resistance to the swimsuit, and to a lesser extent, evening gown competitions, that had come by some to be seen as outdated.

    An email scandal last December in which former Miss America officials denigrated the intelligence, appearance and sex lives of former title winners led to a shake-up at the top, and the group’s top three leadership positions are now held by women.
    We’re not going to judge you on your appearance because we are interested in what makes you you,” Gretchen Carlson, a former Miss America who is head of the organization’s board of trustees, said while making the announcement Tuesday on “Good Morning America.”

    Carlson, whose sexual harassment lawsuit against Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes led to his departure, said the board has heard from potential contestants saying, “We don’t want to be out there in high heels and swimsuits.
     

    What's the point of beauty contests if you can't judge the contestants on, well, their beauty?

    Obviously behind the marijuana legalization push is profit and states are seduced into legalization by prospects of large revenues. But one should not overlook the fact that Israel marijuana industry plays a significant role in this process and one should not discount a possibility that lobbing by The Lobby is behind successes of changing attitudes in media coverage and the subsequent legalizations. The foot in the door was the medical cannabis. On the Right as usual libertarians were assignee duo play the role of the useful idiots.

    https://israel-cannabis.com
    How the Booming Israeli Weed Industry Is Changing American Pot

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/how-booming-israeli-weed-industry-is-changing-american-pot-w499117

    Israeli marijuana giant partners with Pa. medical grower

    http://www.philly.com/philly/business/cannabis/tikun-olam-marijuana-medical-ilera-pennsylvania-20180418.html

    Israeli, Canadian firms partner to run four US marijuana facilities

    https://mjbizdaily.com/israeli-canadian-firms-partner-run-four-us-marijuana-facilities/

    As recreational marijuana becomes legal in California, Jewish advocates are ready

    https://www.jweekly.com/2017/12/22/recreational-marijuana-becomes-legal-california-jewish-advocates-ready/

    Israel May Start Exporting Medical Marijuana

    https://www.marijuana.com/news/2017/08/israel-may-start-exporting-medical-marijuana/

    How Israel Became A Medical Marijuana Powerhouse

    http://nocamels.com/2014/01/how-israel-became-a-medical-marijuana-powerhouse/

    If we scrutinized the gambling industry we would find similar connections to Israel via South Africa where the beta version of Casinos on Indian Reservation was invented and tested. It was done on Bantustans. You know Sun City. Anybody remember Jack Abramoff:

    “According to your emails,” Senator Campbell said, “you and Mr. Scanlon referred to tribes as morons, stupid idiots, monkeys, f-ing troglodytes…and losers.” The senator looked up. “Why would you want to work for people that you have that much contempt for?”

    http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/04/true_colors_abr.html
    David Margolick’s recent Vanity Fair profile of Jack Abramoff omits a key part of the story, whitewashing Abramoff’s past service on behalf of South Africa’s apartheid government. Margolick wrote that in the mid-1980s Abramoff went into “show business” and produced Red Scorpion, “an anti-Communist parable filmed in Namibia” … But saying that Abramoff was in show business is like describing Jeffrey Dahmer as a man who “dabbled in nouvelle cuisine.” Red Scorpion was not simply a sloppy piece of propaganda; it was a project of South African military intelligence, and Abramoff, according to my sources, was a willing asset of the apartheid government.

    I connect gambling and marijuana here because they both have negative impact on the health of society.

    Then obviously there is a vast Security and Surveillance Industry where Israel is a real superpower. An hour of googling would show you amazing world network. At some point I was hoping that somebody like James Bamford who exposed Israeli firms connection to NSA data collection in telecommunication would write a book showing the true size of Israeli security industry.

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  63. @Anatoly Karlin
    Stalin was forever demanding the Red Army snap up more than it could handle, which time and time again led to encirclements.

    This was absolutely catastrophic in 1941.

    Fortunately, it became less of an issue later on, as (1) Stalin easened up on his demands to push further than Soviet logistics could handle, and (2) the Red Army itself improved.

    Even so, this was still an issue even in 1943, e.g. the premature capture of Kharkov right after Stalingrad, which led to yet another envelopment and bad defeat.

    Hitler pushed for the correct plan against France in 1940, avoiding a war of attrition that Germany was not well-placed to win. He also insisted against a retreat after the Battle of Moscow in late 1941, which was also the correct decision and one that avoided the possible collapse of Army Group Center. In fairness, the quality of his decisions declined afterwards, but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.

    but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.

    I quibble with this. People have a tendency to view World War 2 in naturalistic terms in which the “tide” inevitably “turned” with Stalingrad and El Alamein.

    In light of continually increasing output of German armaments after Stalingrad, this seems unlikely.

    Some better decision making and good luck and perhaps the Germans could’ve stalemated the war.

    A series of critical errors were made by the Germans in 1943:

    • Throwing away the Eastern Front’s mobile reserves on Kursk
    • Sacrificing Army Group Africa (loss was as disastrous as Stalingrad, but gained nothing unlike the sacrifice of the Sixth Army)
    • Inadequate response to the Combined Bombing Offensive

    Errors continued into 1944, but by that point in time it seems like the H-man was actually crazy.

    I have less of a problem with viewing the Pacific War in naturalistic terms owing to Japan’s gross deficiencies in everything other than courage.

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    I agree that Germany might have still been able to stalemate in 1943.

    However, it is worth noting that Germany would now be in an unenviable position - no strategic depth due to the failure to conquer the USSR, naval constriction as in WW1 with associated food/hunger problems, and the Manhattan Project was not going to just go away.

    The last point is I think important. The US would have had hundreds of bombs by the late 1940s - thousands by the early 1950s - and massive bomber forces to deliver them (one B-29 was getting produced every 90 minutes by 1944). It would have been able to start a democidal attrition campaign against Germany. Germany was years behind in developing nukes, it had no heavy bomber, and V2 rockets would have been unable to deliver such a heavy payload anyway.
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  64. @Thorfinnsson

    but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.
     
    I quibble with this. People have a tendency to view World War 2 in naturalistic terms in which the "tide" inevitably "turned" with Stalingrad and El Alamein.

    In light of continually increasing output of German armaments after Stalingrad, this seems unlikely.

    Some better decision making and good luck and perhaps the Germans could've stalemated the war.

    A series of critical errors were made by the Germans in 1943:

    • Throwing away the Eastern Front's mobile reserves on Kursk
    • Sacrificing Army Group Africa (loss was as disastrous as Stalingrad, but gained nothing unlike the sacrifice of the Sixth Army)
    • Inadequate response to the Combined Bombing Offensive

    Errors continued into 1944, but by that point in time it seems like the H-man was actually crazy.

    I have less of a problem with viewing the Pacific War in naturalistic terms owing to Japan's gross deficiencies in everything other than courage.

    I agree that Germany might have still been able to stalemate in 1943.

    However, it is worth noting that Germany would now be in an unenviable position – no strategic depth due to the failure to conquer the USSR, naval constriction as in WW1 with associated food/hunger problems, and the Manhattan Project was not going to just go away.

    The last point is I think important. The US would have had hundreds of bombs by the late 1940s – thousands by the early 1950s – and massive bomber forces to deliver them (one B-29 was getting produced every 90 minutes by 1944). It would have been able to start a democidal attrition campaign against Germany. Germany was years behind in developing nukes, it had no heavy bomber, and V2 rockets would have been unable to deliver such a heavy payload anyway.

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    The English Channel to the Donets Basin is a considerable amount of depth.

    The Germans suffered no hunger problems during WW2, that was a problem for their unfortunate conquests (whom they even guilted the Allies into feeding, as in Greece).

    Can't argue on the Manhattan Project, however. Even if the Germans had somehow overrun Britain this would've been a serious problem as the B-36 (or, hypothetically, the XB-35) could reach Berlin from the United States.

    This, however, was a problem from the very day America entered the war. Or perhaps even earlier.

    V-2s couldn't reach America to begin with, but the A9/A10 America Rocket could. First flight was scheduled for 1946, the same year the B-36 first flew. Unsure what the planned payload was, obviously an issue with early a-bombs (that the Germans didn't even have to begin with).

    There were also long-range bomber designs on the drawing board. The prop-driven America Bomber designs were nothing much to write home about, but the turbojet flying wing proposals from Horten and Arado were impressive.

    Interesting alternate delivery proposal for hypothetical Nazi bomb: u-boat comparable to Russia's alleged news tsunami doomsday drone. I don't know that the Germans ever considered this, but there were discussions about launching V weapons from u-boats.
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  65. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    Ok, I’m guessing a guy with the last name Mueller going after Israel ain’t gonna go over well.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/263976/how-russiagate-became-israelgate

    How Russiagate Became Israelgate
    Tablet magazine | 8 June 2018 | Lee Smith

    Earlier in the week, the Daily Caller reported that George Papadopoulos’s wife, an Italian lawyer named Simona Mangiante, said her husband had pleaded guilty in July to lying to the FBI to avoid charges by special counsel Robert Mueller’s team that he was an agent of the Israeli government. Her husband’s lawyers tried to throw cold water on her intervention with a statement explaining: “The most accurate account of Mr. Papadopoulos’ plea agreement and plea of guilty is contained in the publicly filed court records and the transcript of Mr. Papadopoulos’ guilty plea.”

    However, an article in the Washington Post on Mangiante’s claim suggests that the 29-year-old former Trump adviser’s ostensible ties to Israel have become a subject of general interest, albeit thinly sourced. The Post reports that Papadapoulos wrote for Israeli publications, including Haaretz, and struck up an acquaintance with a Netanyahu aide, Eli Groner.

    Needless to say, the mention of Israel was catnip for Russiagate conspiracy theorists—even though Israel is not Russia, and Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu would appear to have some strong differences in, among other places, Syria. “Israeli espionage against the United States is a perennially touchy subject in Washington,” former National Security Agency analyst John Schindler writes this week in the Observer, once owned by Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner.

    Schindler quotes a colleague from the US intelligence community who wonders, “What if the real secret of the Trump campaign isn’t that it’s a Kremlin operation, rather an Israeli operation masquerading as a Russian one?” While President Trump’s policies haven’t exactly favored Vladimir Putin, Schindler admits, Israel is another story. “Trump has gone whole-hog for the Israeli right-wing,” writes the former American spy. “The recent move of our embassy to Jerusalem, long desired by the Israeli Right, is merely the most prominent of Trump’s gifts to his pal Bibi and his ruling Likud party.”

    Amassing further evidence of the Trump administration’s support for a key US ally, Schindler concludes: “It’s no wonder that Mueller and his investigators are trying to get to the bottom of what certain Israelis were doing in 2016 in secret to boost the Trump campaign. That answer may eventually prove just as important as Mueller’s inquiry into the Kremlin and its clandestine attack on our democracy two years ago.” Reached for comment, Schindler admitted that concrete facts in this case were in short supply. “There is as yet no sign that these individuals were tied to the Israeli government,” he said, “though the past connection of some of those individuals to Israeli intelligence raises obvious questions.”

    In other words, if the Russiagate conspiracy theory doesn’t pan out, maybe Israelgate will explain why.

    But that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth asking the question: Is George Papadopoulos actually not a Russian agent of influence, but an Israeli spy?

    [read rest at link]

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    It’s no wonder that Mueller and his investigators are trying to get to the bottom of what certain Israelis were doing in 2016 in secret to boost the Trump campaign.
     
    Müller may regret that.

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  66. @Anatoly Karlin
    I agree that Germany might have still been able to stalemate in 1943.

    However, it is worth noting that Germany would now be in an unenviable position - no strategic depth due to the failure to conquer the USSR, naval constriction as in WW1 with associated food/hunger problems, and the Manhattan Project was not going to just go away.

    The last point is I think important. The US would have had hundreds of bombs by the late 1940s - thousands by the early 1950s - and massive bomber forces to deliver them (one B-29 was getting produced every 90 minutes by 1944). It would have been able to start a democidal attrition campaign against Germany. Germany was years behind in developing nukes, it had no heavy bomber, and V2 rockets would have been unable to deliver such a heavy payload anyway.

    The English Channel to the Donets Basin is a considerable amount of depth.

    The Germans suffered no hunger problems during WW2, that was a problem for their unfortunate conquests (whom they even guilted the Allies into feeding, as in Greece).

    Can’t argue on the Manhattan Project, however. Even if the Germans had somehow overrun Britain this would’ve been a serious problem as the B-36 (or, hypothetically, the XB-35) could reach Berlin from the United States.

    This, however, was a problem from the very day America entered the war. Or perhaps even earlier.

    V-2s couldn’t reach America to begin with, but the A9/A10 America Rocket could. First flight was scheduled for 1946, the same year the B-36 first flew. Unsure what the planned payload was, obviously an issue with early a-bombs (that the Germans didn’t even have to begin with).

    There were also long-range bomber designs on the drawing board. The prop-driven America Bomber designs were nothing much to write home about, but the turbojet flying wing proposals from Horten and Arado were impressive.

    Interesting alternate delivery proposal for hypothetical Nazi bomb: u-boat comparable to Russia’s alleged news tsunami doomsday drone. I don’t know that the Germans ever considered this, but there were discussions about launching V weapons from u-boats.

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    #1 and #2 - good points.

    Though yes, nuclear issue seems intractable.

    PS. I have speculated that Status-6's purpose - if it's more than just fluff - may not be what it is stated to be:

    The basic fact remains that the US does not have the capacity to knock out an ICBM/SLBM salvo from Russia, nor does it have the capacity to launch a successful first strike, and it is exceedingly unlikely to obtain this capacity for at least the next few decades. Considering that Russia maintains thousands of active nuclear warheads, the ability to come in from the South Pole with Sarmats would seem redundant; nor does there seem to be any obvious need for the Status-6 doomsday device, when large areas of hostile territory can already be easily “salted” with cobalt-60 through existing solutions.

    That said… stated goals aren’t necessarily equivalent to intended ones.

    Imagine Russia as the evil Putlerreich were to decide to take the US permanently out of the equation – how can it go about doing that, without getting vanquished in turn?

    First, a nuclear-tipped Avangard seems to be a uniquely excellent decapitation tool (also why Moscow always had major issues with the Global Strike program). Could also reach air bases before the strategic bombers took to the air.

    Second, counterforce ground bursts from MIRVed warheads take out a large percentage of the ICBM silos, as has always been the plan.

    Third, we need to deal with the SSBNs – the most resilient leg of the nuclear triad since their inception. Traditional solutions included assigning nuclear subs to trail American SSBNs, and hoping they’d find and destroy at least some of them on Doomsday; and training batteries of ICBMs to unleash their warheads in a grid pattern on areas of the oceans that space-based Soviet ASW systems identified as likely spawning grounds for American SSBNs.

    But what if Status-6 is not meant for the rather pedestrian and quite pointless task of blowing up American harbors, which frankly any other arm of the traditional nuclear triad can easily do, but to quietly trail American SSBNs and suddenly launch at them from deep down at 180 km/h come the day?

    I don’t see why this is impossible. Well, apart from myriads of intractable political and coordination problems.
     
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  67. Jayce says:
    @Dmitry
    Ukrainian nationalists should probably be financing Dugin - no greater Russophobia than the dream of integrating us into some Asian, socialist, Christian-Islamic-Mongol amalgamation horror.

    But the joke is on them - since the entire man is a form of 'standup comedy'.

    Well, I’ve always said that I enjoy Dugin as a character. I like seeing him pop up in unexpected places or paired off with other big names, like his Infowars appearances. The problem is the people who take it all seriously, and there are a lot of otherwise intelligent people who unfortunately do. The idea that Eurasianism is the Russian conservative tradition is pretty much ubiquitous in right-wing circles these days. I’ve even met American-born Orthodox who seemed to be under the delusion he’s a theologian. To go from being a marginal figure in your own country to getting this kind of reputation internationally in a few years without actually doing anything is the sort of luck you only hear about in old stories.

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    in a few years without actually doing anything is the sort of luck you only hear about in old stories.
     
    Common luck of fraudsters, tricksters, ponzi scheme creators, etc.

    It's already a miracle he could get a top job as a lecturer, considering his low education level (e.g. claiming he speaks all these foreign languages, which he can hardly speak a word of).

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  68. @Thorfinnsson
    The English Channel to the Donets Basin is a considerable amount of depth.

    The Germans suffered no hunger problems during WW2, that was a problem for their unfortunate conquests (whom they even guilted the Allies into feeding, as in Greece).

    Can't argue on the Manhattan Project, however. Even if the Germans had somehow overrun Britain this would've been a serious problem as the B-36 (or, hypothetically, the XB-35) could reach Berlin from the United States.

    This, however, was a problem from the very day America entered the war. Or perhaps even earlier.

    V-2s couldn't reach America to begin with, but the A9/A10 America Rocket could. First flight was scheduled for 1946, the same year the B-36 first flew. Unsure what the planned payload was, obviously an issue with early a-bombs (that the Germans didn't even have to begin with).

    There were also long-range bomber designs on the drawing board. The prop-driven America Bomber designs were nothing much to write home about, but the turbojet flying wing proposals from Horten and Arado were impressive.

    Interesting alternate delivery proposal for hypothetical Nazi bomb: u-boat comparable to Russia's alleged news tsunami doomsday drone. I don't know that the Germans ever considered this, but there were discussions about launching V weapons from u-boats.

    #1 and #2 – good points.

    Though yes, nuclear issue seems intractable.

    PS. I have speculated that Status-6′s purpose – if it’s more than just fluff – may not be what it is stated to be:

    The basic fact remains that the US does not have the capacity to knock out an ICBM/SLBM salvo from Russia, nor does it have the capacity to launch a successful first strike, and it is exceedingly unlikely to obtain this capacity for at least the next few decades. Considering that Russia maintains thousands of active nuclear warheads, the ability to come in from the South Pole with Sarmats would seem redundant; nor does there seem to be any obvious need for the Status-6 doomsday device, when large areas of hostile territory can already be easily “salted” with cobalt-60 through existing solutions.

    That said… stated goals aren’t necessarily equivalent to intended ones.

    Imagine Russia as the evil Putlerreich were to decide to take the US permanently out of the equation – how can it go about doing that, without getting vanquished in turn?

    First, a nuclear-tipped Avangard seems to be a uniquely excellent decapitation tool (also why Moscow always had major issues with the Global Strike program). Could also reach air bases before the strategic bombers took to the air.

    Second, counterforce ground bursts from MIRVed warheads take out a large percentage of the ICBM silos, as has always been the plan.

    Third, we need to deal with the SSBNs – the most resilient leg of the nuclear triad since their inception. Traditional solutions included assigning nuclear subs to trail American SSBNs, and hoping they’d find and destroy at least some of them on Doomsday; and training batteries of ICBMs to unleash their warheads in a grid pattern on areas of the oceans that space-based Soviet ASW systems identified as likely spawning grounds for American SSBNs.

    But what if Status-6 is not meant for the rather pedestrian and quite pointless task of blowing up American harbors, which frankly any other arm of the traditional nuclear triad can easily do, but to quietly trail American SSBNs and suddenly launch at them from deep down at 180 km/h come the day?

    I don’t see why this is impossible. Well, apart from myriads of intractable political and coordination problems.

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    pointless task of blowing up American harbors
     
    This is partly why I don't understand missile-phobia. There is so much talk about NK missiles being able to reach California or Hawaii or some such, but it is pretty idiotic - bombers and missiles are not needed. All you need is the warhead, and a small ship or midget submarine to slip into the harbor. Probably not the best delivery mechanism possible, but it would still cause sufficient chaos in any number of places - if one had the (crazy) mind to do it.
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  69. songbird says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    #1 and #2 - good points.

    Though yes, nuclear issue seems intractable.

    PS. I have speculated that Status-6's purpose - if it's more than just fluff - may not be what it is stated to be:

    The basic fact remains that the US does not have the capacity to knock out an ICBM/SLBM salvo from Russia, nor does it have the capacity to launch a successful first strike, and it is exceedingly unlikely to obtain this capacity for at least the next few decades. Considering that Russia maintains thousands of active nuclear warheads, the ability to come in from the South Pole with Sarmats would seem redundant; nor does there seem to be any obvious need for the Status-6 doomsday device, when large areas of hostile territory can already be easily “salted” with cobalt-60 through existing solutions.

    That said… stated goals aren’t necessarily equivalent to intended ones.

    Imagine Russia as the evil Putlerreich were to decide to take the US permanently out of the equation – how can it go about doing that, without getting vanquished in turn?

    First, a nuclear-tipped Avangard seems to be a uniquely excellent decapitation tool (also why Moscow always had major issues with the Global Strike program). Could also reach air bases before the strategic bombers took to the air.

    Second, counterforce ground bursts from MIRVed warheads take out a large percentage of the ICBM silos, as has always been the plan.

    Third, we need to deal with the SSBNs – the most resilient leg of the nuclear triad since their inception. Traditional solutions included assigning nuclear subs to trail American SSBNs, and hoping they’d find and destroy at least some of them on Doomsday; and training batteries of ICBMs to unleash their warheads in a grid pattern on areas of the oceans that space-based Soviet ASW systems identified as likely spawning grounds for American SSBNs.

    But what if Status-6 is not meant for the rather pedestrian and quite pointless task of blowing up American harbors, which frankly any other arm of the traditional nuclear triad can easily do, but to quietly trail American SSBNs and suddenly launch at them from deep down at 180 km/h come the day?

    I don’t see why this is impossible. Well, apart from myriads of intractable political and coordination problems.
     

    pointless task of blowing up American harbors

    This is partly why I don’t understand missile-phobia. There is so much talk about NK missiles being able to reach California or Hawaii or some such, but it is pretty idiotic – bombers and missiles are not needed. All you need is the warhead, and a small ship or midget submarine to slip into the harbor. Probably not the best delivery mechanism possible, but it would still cause sufficient chaos in any number of places – if one had the (crazy) mind to do it.

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  70. Mitleser says:
    @Anonymous
    Ok, I’m guessing a guy with the last name Mueller going after Israel ain’t gonna go over well.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/263976/how-russiagate-became-israelgate

    How Russiagate Became Israelgate
    Tablet magazine | 8 June 2018 | Lee Smith

    Earlier in the week, the Daily Caller reported that George Papadopoulos’s wife, an Italian lawyer named Simona Mangiante, said her husband had pleaded guilty in July to lying to the FBI to avoid charges by special counsel Robert Mueller’s team that he was an agent of the Israeli government. Her husband’s lawyers tried to throw cold water on her intervention with a statement explaining: “The most accurate account of Mr. Papadopoulos’ plea agreement and plea of guilty is contained in the publicly filed court records and the transcript of Mr. Papadopoulos’ guilty plea.”

    However, an article in the Washington Post on Mangiante’s claim suggests that the 29-year-old former Trump adviser’s ostensible ties to Israel have become a subject of general interest, albeit thinly sourced. The Post reports that Papadapoulos wrote for Israeli publications, including Haaretz, and struck up an acquaintance with a Netanyahu aide, Eli Groner.

    Needless to say, the mention of Israel was catnip for Russiagate conspiracy theorists—even though Israel is not Russia, and Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu would appear to have some strong differences in, among other places, Syria. “Israeli espionage against the United States is a perennially touchy subject in Washington,” former National Security Agency analyst John Schindler writes this week in the Observer, once owned by Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner.

    Schindler quotes a colleague from the US intelligence community who wonders, “What if the real secret of the Trump campaign isn’t that it’s a Kremlin operation, rather an Israeli operation masquerading as a Russian one?” While President Trump’s policies haven’t exactly favored Vladimir Putin, Schindler admits, Israel is another story. “Trump has gone whole-hog for the Israeli right-wing,” writes the former American spy. “The recent move of our embassy to Jerusalem, long desired by the Israeli Right, is merely the most prominent of Trump’s gifts to his pal Bibi and his ruling Likud party.”

    Amassing further evidence of the Trump administration’s support for a key US ally, Schindler concludes: “It’s no wonder that Mueller and his investigators are trying to get to the bottom of what certain Israelis were doing in 2016 in secret to boost the Trump campaign. That answer may eventually prove just as important as Mueller’s inquiry into the Kremlin and its clandestine attack on our democracy two years ago.” Reached for comment, Schindler admitted that concrete facts in this case were in short supply. “There is as yet no sign that these individuals were tied to the Israeli government,” he said, “though the past connection of some of those individuals to Israeli intelligence raises obvious questions.”

    In other words, if the Russiagate conspiracy theory doesn’t pan out, maybe Israelgate will explain why.

    But that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth asking the question: Is George Papadopoulos actually not a Russian agent of influence, but an Israeli spy?

    [read rest at link]
     

    It’s no wonder that Mueller and his investigators are trying to get to the bottom of what certain Israelis were doing in 2016 in secret to boost the Trump campaign.

    Müller may regret that.

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  71. Dmitry says:
    @Jayce
    Well, I've always said that I enjoy Dugin as a character. I like seeing him pop up in unexpected places or paired off with other big names, like his Infowars appearances. The problem is the people who take it all seriously, and there are a lot of otherwise intelligent people who unfortunately do. The idea that Eurasianism is the Russian conservative tradition is pretty much ubiquitous in right-wing circles these days. I've even met American-born Orthodox who seemed to be under the delusion he's a theologian. To go from being a marginal figure in your own country to getting this kind of reputation internationally in a few years without actually doing anything is the sort of luck you only hear about in old stories.

    in a few years without actually doing anything is the sort of luck you only hear about in old stories.

    Common luck of fraudsters, tricksters, ponzi scheme creators, etc.

    It’s already a miracle he could get a top job as a lecturer, considering his low education level (e.g. claiming he speaks all these foreign languages, which he can hardly speak a word of).

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  72. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @melanf

    Suffice to say I disagree with Rezun’s theory, and can also commend the comments by Thorfinnsson, Ivan K., and most of the ones by Arioch. Perhaps I will do a post on this eventually (Ron has urged me to in the past), but it would mostly just be a restatement of the “WHO PLANNED TO ATTACK WHOM, AND HOW?” chapter of Absolute War by Chris Bellamy.
     
    Here is the plan of the Soviet General staff for the construction of a line of fortifications near Moscow (for defense against German troops). The plan was signed on may 17, 41. Мore details in Russian here https://gistory.livejournal.com/4280.html

    https://c.radikal.ru/c37/1806/47/50c4acf2a046.jpg

    https://a.radikal.ru/a25/1806/70/61388bbff82f.jpg

    https://d.radikal.ru/d13/1806/87/815a1095a2b4.jpg

    These lines of fortifications did not have time to build - the Germans invaded. But as you can see the USSR was preparing for a defensive war.

    Yeah, that’s about as “conclusive” as all Rezun’s evidence to the contrary.

    Which is to say, not all that much.

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  73. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    Mine as well, which is why I was surprised that Unz takes an interest him.
     
    Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention. He also seems to have some sort of issue with America's Jewish population (a "self-hating Jew" professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him. So I don't think his positive evaluation of David Irving is that surprising.

    Do you think the standard story about WW2 is more or less correct
     
    The fundamental points of the established narrative are all basically correct imo (e.g. Nazi Germany started an aggressive, unjustified war in 1939, the war against the Soviet Union wasn't merely a preemptive strike, but a racial war of conquest and extermination, the Holocaust did happen). I don't see much point in revisionism which tries to claim this is all just lies, propaganda etc.
    That being said, there may be grounds for revisionism in some specific questions (at the risk of offending our esteemed host AK: there are elements of the "27 million Soviet dead" figure that at first glance seem dubious me; if I understand correctly, it is claimed that 2 million Soviet forced labourers died in Germany. I find that number very difficult to believe).
    More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself. I don't think though revisionism of the David Irving kind can play any constructive role here.
    Btw, I found it quite funny how you classified reiner tor and me as belonging to the "more reasonable" commenters here...sounded a bit like "You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you're sort of the moderate Nazis around here" :-)

    His interest re-interested me in the topic of Irving and Rezun, I would trust Unz’s judgement more than most columnists here (admittedly a mostly low bar, but still). Irving himself seems a somewhat dubious figure, but I feel this way more because of his hyperbolic Cold War red-baiting in the style of Yuri Bezmenov than anything else.
    But there are other things too make me doubt the standard narrative, for instance R.J.P Taylor historiography of WWII has been almost completely forgotten since the Holocaust became a secular religion. My gut feeling is that the 6 million number is at least greatly exaggerated, seeing as how even Armenians have pulled ridiculous figures as high as 2.5 million in our own genocide. The problem is the association ‘denial’ has with other positions, I doubt the holocaust happened but I don’t particularly care about Israel or Jews either.

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    My gut feeling is that the 6 million number is at least greatly exaggerated
     
    I think even mainstream historians nowadays cite somewhat lower numbers of over 5 million, but significantly below 6 million. But I don't see how one can doubt that several millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis.

    I doubt the holocaust happened
     
    I don't. More to the point, my grandfather who was with a Luftwaffe logistics unit or something of the sort in Belarus during the war didn't have any doubts. He had seen and heard enough there to think that the extermination camps and all that were real. And he was hardly exceptional in that. So I don't really understand Holocaust revisionists.
    , @Anon
    I don't trust Mr. Unz's judgment on Rezun. Rezun is very persuasive but when I looked at the arguments Mr. Unz recapitulated they didn't seem all that impressive; in fact they looked like something someone reaching for specious evidence would come up with.

    And my greater problem is that I don't doubt that Stalin was at least considering the notion of offensive war against Germany, but to launch it just then (summer 1941) would have been crazy.

    Irving seems interesting. His work is clearly biased, but the best historians have a bias. It gives them an edge to bite into the subject with. What I've read of him is good, but that is only a few chapters at random.

    I trust Mr. Unz's judgment at least enough to think seriously about stuff he recommends rather than dismissing it out of hand.
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  74. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader
    I've only skimmed through the article about David Irving (same for the one about Suvorov's thesis, that kind of WW2 revisionism doesn't interest me much). Have never read something by David Irving and Unz's article hasn't persuaded me to do so. My impression of him is the "standard" one, that is someone whose historical writing is influenced to such a degree by a specific agenda that there's probably not much point in engaging with it.

    I expected better of you than to pre-judge someone before reading their work. I was once so milquetoast that I dismissed Norman Finkelstein without actually reading him, to my later regret. Likewise I had mildly positive opinion of Solzhenitsyn until I actually took time to read his books.

    He also seems to have some sort of issue with America’s Jewish population (a “self-hating Jew” professional anti-antisemites would claim), so issues that are especially offensive to Jewish sensibilities seem to be of special interest to him.

    I’ve never been exactly sure of his backround. I’ve heard claims that he’s a Sephardi Jew of some sort, but I’ve never see any evidence of statement of his own to corroborate it. The only common theme I see is that Jews in general tend to exaggerate the impact of their race on history, whether positive or negative.

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  75. Yevardian says:
    @Hyperborean
    Is Ramadan over? If it is, I suppose I should say welcome back Talha.

    *groan*

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  76. Yevardian says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Stalin was forever demanding the Red Army snap up more than it could handle, which time and time again led to encirclements.

    This was absolutely catastrophic in 1941.

    Fortunately, it became less of an issue later on, as (1) Stalin easened up on his demands to push further than Soviet logistics could handle, and (2) the Red Army itself improved.

    Even so, this was still an issue even in 1943, e.g. the premature capture of Kharkov right after Stalingrad, which led to yet another envelopment and bad defeat.

    Hitler pushed for the correct plan against France in 1940, avoiding a war of attrition that Germany was not well-placed to win. He also insisted against a retreat after the Battle of Moscow in late 1941, which was also the correct decision and one that avoided the possible collapse of Army Group Center. In fairness, the quality of his decisions declined afterwards, but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.

    This idea of Stalin as a ‘grey smear’, a dull and incompetent bureaucrat who rose through stealth is a smear by Trotsky that has been Western canon ever since. Butthurt Trotskyites and liberasts still push this narrative in spite of the obvious facts about his life since childhood. He was always an exceptional talent, was greatly feared by Lenin in private, and would have played a significant role in history whether Nicholas II ran Russia into a ditch or not.

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  77. @Yevardian
    His interest re-interested me in the topic of Irving and Rezun, I would trust Unz's judgement more than most columnists here (admittedly a mostly low bar, but still). Irving himself seems a somewhat dubious figure, but I feel this way more because of his hyperbolic Cold War red-baiting in the style of Yuri Bezmenov than anything else.
    But there are other things too make me doubt the standard narrative, for instance R.J.P Taylor historiography of WWII has been almost completely forgotten since the Holocaust became a secular religion. My gut feeling is that the 6 million number is at least greatly exaggerated, seeing as how even Armenians have pulled ridiculous figures as high as 2.5 million in our own genocide. The problem is the association 'denial' has with other positions, I doubt the holocaust happened but I don't particularly care about Israel or Jews either.

    My gut feeling is that the 6 million number is at least greatly exaggerated

    I think even mainstream historians nowadays cite somewhat lower numbers of over 5 million, but significantly below 6 million. But I don’t see how one can doubt that several millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis.

    I doubt the holocaust happened

    I don’t. More to the point, my grandfather who was with a Luftwaffe logistics unit or something of the sort in Belarus during the war didn’t have any doubts. He had seen and heard enough there to think that the extermination camps and all that were real. And he was hardly exceptional in that. So I don’t really understand Holocaust revisionists.

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    So I don’t really understand Holocaust revisionists.

    And I don't understand how you can write this.
    , @Wally
    " More to the point, my grandfather who was with a Luftwaffe logistics unit or something of the sort in Belarus during the war didn’t have any doubts. He had seen and heard enough there to think that the extermination camps and all that were real. And he was hardly exceptional in that. So I don’t really understand Holocaust revisionists."

    That's pretty funny. Just what did your grandfather say he 'heard & saw' from an airplane in Belarus? Belarus? Seriously?

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist to this day and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the dumbest, most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.Only liars demand censorship.
    'Germans killed 20,000 Jews with atomic bomb' too.
    https://i.imgur.com/IjXE7OI.jpg

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
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  78. @German_reader

    While tragic, no part of Jewish suffering was unique.
     
    I don't know, Jews did occupy a special place in the Nazi world view, as absolutely evil archenemy. What other group was to be completely physically destroyed? A Nazi victory would obviously have been pretty bad for Slavs, but Nazi views about them seem more fluid and pragmatic to me (e.g. at least some part of Poles and Czechs were considered as suitable for Germanization), whereas policies towards Jews remained set on total extermination right until the end.

    Roosevelt was trying to provoke America into war and, at least with Japan, was not necessary for the US.
     
    The US had been a Pacific power since at least the Spanish-American war, so preventing the creation of an autarkic Japanese empire there could be seen as a legitimate American national interest.

    The Eastern Front, while the most bloody part, was not some zerg-rush by asiatic Russians.
     
    Is that really still a common view? I can't recall ever having encountered it quite like that (at least most people seem to be somewhat aware of the quality of Soviet weapons and Soviet industrial output).

    What other group was to be completely physically destroyed?

    While I can’t speak with absolute certainty I suspect gypsies would also have been completely eradicated.

    There is also the case that many part-Jews (or fake part-Jews) managed to get a pass from the German authorities (some even serving in the Wehrmacht), which I think is somewhat comparable to the plans for Germanised Slavs (which was often based on real or false ideas of ‘Aryan’ ancestry).

    The US had been a Pacific power since at least the Spanish-American war, so preventing the creation of an autarkic Japanese empire there could be seen as a legitimate American national interest.

    Alright, that might be a fair point, but I don’t like this American victim attitude where Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for no reason (although Japan was partly to blame as well).

    Is that really still a common view? I can’t recall ever having encountered it quite like that (at least most people seem to be somewhat aware of the quality of Soviet weapons and Soviet industrial output).

    I don’t know much about their opinions about Soviet weapons or industrial output but generally people I have talked to have a skewed view of the death ratios of the German and Soviet soldiers.

    Granted I don’t really talk about WWII to the depth that we do here that often so my sample rate is not that large, perhaps if I talked to more people I would hear a different view, but the ones I have talked to were quite mainstream in their political views.

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    While I can’t speak with absolute certainty I suspect gypsies would also have been completely eradicated.
     
    Maybe. But Nazi policy towards gypsies seems to be somewhat of a controversial subject; gypsy lobbyists and their academic allies have an obvious interest in claiming that the Nazis were just as genocidal towards gypsies as towards Jews, whereas some Jews and their gentile allies claim this detracts from the "uniqueness" of the Jewish Holocaust. Even the numbers of gypsies killed seem to be uncertain (it was certainly quite a lot, but there doesn't seem to be a universal consensus for the 500 000 often claimed). Tbh I don't care enough about the issue to find out more about it.

    Alright, that might be a fair point, but I don’t like this American victim attitude where Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for no reason
     
    Well, there was the American oil embargo, but I don't think Americans should be faulted for disapproving of Japan's war in China.
    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today? My superficial impression is that the Pacific war isn't emphasized much today in US views of WW2, since it's seen as somewhat politically incorrect.
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  79. @Hyperborean

    What other group was to be completely physically destroyed?
     
    While I can't speak with absolute certainty I suspect gypsies would also have been completely eradicated.

    There is also the case that many part-Jews (or fake part-Jews) managed to get a pass from the German authorities (some even serving in the Wehrmacht), which I think is somewhat comparable to the plans for Germanised Slavs (which was often based on real or false ideas of 'Aryan' ancestry).

    The US had been a Pacific power since at least the Spanish-American war, so preventing the creation of an autarkic Japanese empire there could be seen as a legitimate American national interest.
     
    Alright, that might be a fair point, but I don't like this American victim attitude where Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for no reason (although Japan was partly to blame as well).

    Is that really still a common view? I can’t recall ever having encountered it quite like that (at least most people seem to be somewhat aware of the quality of Soviet weapons and Soviet industrial output).
     
    I don't know much about their opinions about Soviet weapons or industrial output but generally people I have talked to have a skewed view of the death ratios of the German and Soviet soldiers.

    Granted I don't really talk about WWII to the depth that we do here that often so my sample rate is not that large, perhaps if I talked to more people I would hear a different view, but the ones I have talked to were quite mainstream in their political views.

    While I can’t speak with absolute certainty I suspect gypsies would also have been completely eradicated.

    Maybe. But Nazi policy towards gypsies seems to be somewhat of a controversial subject; gypsy lobbyists and their academic allies have an obvious interest in claiming that the Nazis were just as genocidal towards gypsies as towards Jews, whereas some Jews and their gentile allies claim this detracts from the “uniqueness” of the Jewish Holocaust. Even the numbers of gypsies killed seem to be uncertain (it was certainly quite a lot, but there doesn’t seem to be a universal consensus for the 500 000 often claimed). Tbh I don’t care enough about the issue to find out more about it.

    Alright, that might be a fair point, but I don’t like this American victim attitude where Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for no reason

    Well, there was the American oil embargo, but I don’t think Americans should be faulted for disapproving of Japan’s war in China.
    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today? My superficial impression is that the Pacific war isn’t emphasized much today in US views of WW2, since it’s seen as somewhat politically incorrect.

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    Well, there was the American oil embargo, but I don’t think Americans should be faulted for disapproving of Japan’s war in China.
    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today? My superficial impression is that the Pacific war isn’t emphasized much today in US views of WW2, since it’s seen as somewhat politically incorrect.
     
    Leaving aside the issue of the ABCD line, I think the Hull Note (https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Hull_note) is too vague in how it defines Chinese territory. If Manchuria is not considered Chinese then the Hull Note might have been acceptable, but if Manchuria is considered Chinese then I can understand why Japan would consider that a hostile declaration.


    From reading American history books, articles and newspapers which talk about the Pacific War I get a very schizophrenic impression:

    On one hand the Japanese Empire is portrayed very negatively. On the other hand there is a significant emotional investment in the issue of the internment of Japanese emigrants.*


    I don't know how much the Pacific War is emphasised by ordinary Americans but it is definitely brought up by newspapers during anniversaries of Pearl Harbour.


    *I wonder a bit what was going on in the minds of the American authorities who made the decision. Why intern only half of the Japanese resident population? And why the people living on the West Coast and not the people living in Hawaii instead, which was much more a frontline state?
    , @songbird

    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today?
     
    In terms of being able to quote dates, it is probably the most remembered of the war, followed by a great distance by D-Day, and, I think, an even much greater distance by VE and VJ days. Many people go to Hawaii for vacation - making it the only prominent part of the US that was attacked. Many visit the Arizona memorial, which, I believe, is still releasing little globs of oil.

    Strategically it was not as important as Clarke Air Base in the Philippines, an attack that happened the next day, but nobody remembers that attack, which seems to have been an example of startling incompetence on the part of MacArthur.

    Having said that - it is really quite remarkable how Hollywood has influenced the culture. The Nazis are villains ad naseam. Meanwhile, the word "Jap" (just an abbreviation like "Brit") is considered an ethnic slur.

    I don't know if you ever saw the 1984 movie The Karate Kid, but it is a pretty mainstream movie that builds the guilt narrative. I rewatched it a few years ago, and was surprised by how evil one scene struck me: Daniel and Miyagi are at the beach (represented on the movie poster) and two rednecks accost Miyagi for being Japanese in California. Whites are now a minority there. Contrast that, if you watch anything from the '70s or '80s taking place in California and practically everyone was white and it seemed so hopeful.
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  80. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor
    Trump proposed Russia be readmitted to G7 (G8).

    So it’s true, he’s just a Russian pawn. Stinking commies.

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    Don't worry dear tovarishch, our cherished rainbow-coloured American chekists will ensure that the fight for progress and the dawn of a new day will forever continue, no matter how long the march, no matter how arduous.

    Don't worry dear tovarishch, our brave American chekists will forever stay vigilant and protect our tolerant and progressive people's democracy against the unceasing deprivations and assaults by the reactionary prison of nations whose long hand seeks relentlessly to spread its cancer across the vast oceans.

    Don't worry dear tovarishch, our fraternity of peoples, our ever-stalwart and ever-watching people joined together in an evermore perfect union will not give in to the provocations of the foreign regressive autocratic imperialist forces which threaten our liberal democratic society.

    Don't worry dear tovarishch, soon our enemies shall be thrown into the ashheap of history and all the peoples of the world shall be liberated under one flag in all fraternity after our victory over history itself.
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  81. iffen says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Stalin was forever demanding the Red Army snap up more than it could handle, which time and time again led to encirclements.

    This was absolutely catastrophic in 1941.

    Fortunately, it became less of an issue later on, as (1) Stalin easened up on his demands to push further than Soviet logistics could handle, and (2) the Red Army itself improved.

    Even so, this was still an issue even in 1943, e.g. the premature capture of Kharkov right after Stalingrad, which led to yet another envelopment and bad defeat.

    Hitler pushed for the correct plan against France in 1940, avoiding a war of attrition that Germany was not well-placed to win. He also insisted against a retreat after the Battle of Moscow in late 1941, which was also the correct decision and one that avoided the possible collapse of Army Group Center. In fairness, the quality of his decisions declined afterwards, but having failed to win in 1941-42, Germany was not going to win period, so this was perhaps irrelevant anyway.

    (2) the Red Army itself improved.

    Thank the Good Lord for Trotsky!

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  82. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    My gut feeling is that the 6 million number is at least greatly exaggerated
     
    I think even mainstream historians nowadays cite somewhat lower numbers of over 5 million, but significantly below 6 million. But I don't see how one can doubt that several millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis.

    I doubt the holocaust happened
     
    I don't. More to the point, my grandfather who was with a Luftwaffe logistics unit or something of the sort in Belarus during the war didn't have any doubts. He had seen and heard enough there to think that the extermination camps and all that were real. And he was hardly exceptional in that. So I don't really understand Holocaust revisionists.

    So I don’t really understand Holocaust revisionists.

    And I don’t understand how you can write this.

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    The Jooz got to him.
    , @Wally
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/25353850_1822213381122700_1280141591104706732_n-600x491.jpg
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  83. Yevardian says:
    @iffen
    So I don’t really understand Holocaust revisionists.

    And I don't understand how you can write this.

    The Jooz got to him.

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    These will help you "understand":

    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/img/HHS-300x127.jpg
    and:
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

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  84. @German_reader

    While I can’t speak with absolute certainty I suspect gypsies would also have been completely eradicated.
     
    Maybe. But Nazi policy towards gypsies seems to be somewhat of a controversial subject; gypsy lobbyists and their academic allies have an obvious interest in claiming that the Nazis were just as genocidal towards gypsies as towards Jews, whereas some Jews and their gentile allies claim this detracts from the "uniqueness" of the Jewish Holocaust. Even the numbers of gypsies killed seem to be uncertain (it was certainly quite a lot, but there doesn't seem to be a universal consensus for the 500 000 often claimed). Tbh I don't care enough about the issue to find out more about it.

    Alright, that might be a fair point, but I don’t like this American victim attitude where Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for no reason
     
    Well, there was the American oil embargo, but I don't think Americans should be faulted for disapproving of Japan's war in China.
    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today? My superficial impression is that the Pacific war isn't emphasized much today in US views of WW2, since it's seen as somewhat politically incorrect.

    Well, there was the American oil embargo, but I don’t think Americans should be faulted for disapproving of Japan’s war in China.
    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today? My superficial impression is that the Pacific war isn’t emphasized much today in US views of WW2, since it’s seen as somewhat politically incorrect.

    Leaving aside the issue of the ABCD line, I think the Hull Note (https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Hull_note) is too vague in how it defines Chinese territory. If Manchuria is not considered Chinese then the Hull Note might have been acceptable, but if Manchuria is considered Chinese then I can understand why Japan would consider that a hostile declaration.

    From reading American history books, articles and newspapers which talk about the Pacific War I get a very schizophrenic impression:

    On one hand the Japanese Empire is portrayed very negatively. On the other hand there is a significant emotional investment in the issue of the internment of Japanese emigrants.*

    I don’t know how much the Pacific War is emphasised by ordinary Americans but it is definitely brought up by newspapers during anniversaries of Pearl Harbour.

    *I wonder a bit what was going on in the minds of the American authorities who made the decision. Why intern only half of the Japanese resident population? And why the people living on the West Coast and not the people living in Hawaii instead, which was much more a frontline state?

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    The Japanese in Hawaii were considered so essential to the operation of the Hawaiian economy that internment was impractical. Hawaii was however under martial law for the entire war.
    , @for-the-record
    The Hull Note is too vague in how it defines Chinese territory. If Manchuria is not considered Chinese then the Hull Note might have been acceptable, but if Manchuria is considered Chinese then I can understand why Japan would consider that a hostile declaration.

    As you say, Hull’s “ultimatum” of 26 November was poorly worded: he insisted on a withdrawal from “China”, which for him did not include Manchuria; the Japanese understood it to require withdrawal from Manchuria, which was a total nonstarter for them.

    John Toland (Rising Sun) interviewed various high-ranking Japanese involved in the final war deliberations, and when they learned of this misunderstanding their reaction, while not completely uniform, strongly suggests that war with the US could well have been avoided.
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  85. @Hyperborean

    Well, there was the American oil embargo, but I don’t think Americans should be faulted for disapproving of Japan’s war in China.
    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today? My superficial impression is that the Pacific war isn’t emphasized much today in US views of WW2, since it’s seen as somewhat politically incorrect.
     
    Leaving aside the issue of the ABCD line, I think the Hull Note (https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Hull_note) is too vague in how it defines Chinese territory. If Manchuria is not considered Chinese then the Hull Note might have been acceptable, but if Manchuria is considered Chinese then I can understand why Japan would consider that a hostile declaration.


    From reading American history books, articles and newspapers which talk about the Pacific War I get a very schizophrenic impression:

    On one hand the Japanese Empire is portrayed very negatively. On the other hand there is a significant emotional investment in the issue of the internment of Japanese emigrants.*


    I don't know how much the Pacific War is emphasised by ordinary Americans but it is definitely brought up by newspapers during anniversaries of Pearl Harbour.


    *I wonder a bit what was going on in the minds of the American authorities who made the decision. Why intern only half of the Japanese resident population? And why the people living on the West Coast and not the people living in Hawaii instead, which was much more a frontline state?

    The Japanese in Hawaii were considered so essential to the operation of the Hawaiian economy that internment was impractical. Hawaii was however under martial law for the entire war.

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    I didn't know that, that makes more sense.
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  86. @Thorfinnsson
    The Japanese in Hawaii were considered so essential to the operation of the Hawaiian economy that internment was impractical. Hawaii was however under martial law for the entire war.

    I didn’t know that, that makes more sense.

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  87. @The Big Red Scary
    "Why? Unz is clearly some sort of contrarian who thinks non-mainstream positions worthy of special attention."

    He compared David Irving to E.O. Wilson. The latter is a serious scientist who has been cruelly attacked by left-wing nutjobs, while the former appears to be a right-wing nutjob. To me, it shows very
    poor judgement to paint the two with the same brush just to score some points against your outgroup.


    "More generally, I do have very serious issues with the politics of remembrance as they are today, especially in Germany itself."

    Agreed.

    “You guys are still extremist nutcases, but you’re sort of the moderate Nazis around here”

    Well, I could have asked for the opinion of our very own future POTUS concerning the H-man.

    Seriously, though, I think you and reiner tor are both well read and have a respect for the facts. I even share some of your concerns (for example about immigration of unassimilable groups and the madness of the poz). But I can't manage to muster the same kind of outrage over it all. Probably because I'm happily busy raising my own family in a nice little town full of other nice happy families, so I don't feel it personally.

    I guess that makes me the moderate hippie around here.

    Don’t you live in Japan as an Evil Kremlin Agent? You’re fairly well insulated from basically any aspect of the insanity.

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    I'm an American living in Russia, which is a surprisingly sane place given its history and the residual тараканы. We'll see how long it lasts.

    Although a good Orthodox Christian and traditional family man, I am also an old school liberal: I can tolerate all kinds of madness so long as I can live my own life free of persecution. What worries me is how illiberal the madness has become.
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  88. Russia’s reaction to Trump wanting them back in the G8 was ill thought out IMO… a thanks but no thanks would have been better. Overly blustering about how you don’t want back in embarrasses Trump which will make him angry.

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    On the other hand, haven't American siloviki been able to manipulate Trump into ordering anti-Russian actions (harsher sanctions, Syria, etc.) even at times when both Trump and the Russian government had expressed desires for better relations - so how much does Trump's desires actually determine the US' policy towards Russia?
    , @Mitleser
    They are just being consistent.

    https://twitter.com/LudWitt/status/1005228458069364736
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Eh, whatever.

    Russia showing any signs of interest at this stage would be a slap in the face to China, the closest thing we have to an ally.
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  89. @blahbahblah
    Russia's reaction to Trump wanting them back in the G8 was ill thought out IMO... a thanks but no thanks would have been better. Overly blustering about how you don't want back in embarrasses Trump which will make him angry.

    On the other hand, haven’t American siloviki been able to manipulate Trump into ordering anti-Russian actions (harsher sanctions, Syria, etc.) even at times when both Trump and the Russian government had expressed desires for better relations – so how much does Trump’s desires actually determine the US’ policy towards Russia?

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  90. @iffen
    So it's true, he's just a Russian pawn. Stinking commies.

    Don’t worry dear tovarishch, our cherished rainbow-coloured American chekists will ensure that the fight for progress and the dawn of a new day will forever continue, no matter how long the march, no matter how arduous.

    Don’t worry dear tovarishch, our brave American chekists will forever stay vigilant and protect our tolerant and progressive people’s democracy against the unceasing deprivations and assaults by the reactionary prison of nations whose long hand seeks relentlessly to spread its cancer across the vast oceans.

    Don’t worry dear tovarishch, our fraternity of peoples, our ever-stalwart and ever-watching people joined together in an evermore perfect union will not give in to the provocations of the foreign regressive autocratic imperialist forces which threaten our liberal democratic society.

    Don’t worry dear tovarishch, soon our enemies shall be thrown into the ashheap of history and all the peoples of the world shall be liberated under one flag in all fraternity after our victory over history itself.

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  91. Mitleser says:
    @blahbahblah
    Russia's reaction to Trump wanting them back in the G8 was ill thought out IMO... a thanks but no thanks would have been better. Overly blustering about how you don't want back in embarrasses Trump which will make him angry.

    They are just being consistent.

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    The club hasn't been useful since it was the G6.

    I don't understand why Canada is allowed to participate, let alone host the event. Indeed, I don't understand why Canada is allowed to exist at all.

    And yes, now with the rise of China it has become a complete farce.
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  92. Central Bucharest is not, of course, the most representative sample, but there were at least 2,000 people here.

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    Fuck. Has it really gotten to this point? When I left gays couldn't walk on the streets.
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  93. @Mitleser
    They are just being consistent.

    https://twitter.com/LudWitt/status/1005228458069364736

    The club hasn’t been useful since it was the G6.

    I don’t understand why Canada is allowed to participate, let alone host the event. Indeed, I don’t understand why Canada is allowed to exist at all.

    And yes, now with the rise of China it has become a complete farce.

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    America must deal with Canada and end the America's Canadian annoyance once and for all!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1005586152076689408

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1005586562959093760
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  94. @blahbahblah
    Russia's reaction to Trump wanting them back in the G8 was ill thought out IMO... a thanks but no thanks would have been better. Overly blustering about how you don't want back in embarrasses Trump which will make him angry.

    Eh, whatever.

    Russia showing any signs of interest at this stage would be a slap in the face to China, the closest thing we have to an ally.

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  95. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yevardian
    His interest re-interested me in the topic of Irving and Rezun, I would trust Unz's judgement more than most columnists here (admittedly a mostly low bar, but still). Irving himself seems a somewhat dubious figure, but I feel this way more because of his hyperbolic Cold War red-baiting in the style of Yuri Bezmenov than anything else.
    But there are other things too make me doubt the standard narrative, for instance R.J.P Taylor historiography of WWII has been almost completely forgotten since the Holocaust became a secular religion. My gut feeling is that the 6 million number is at least greatly exaggerated, seeing as how even Armenians have pulled ridiculous figures as high as 2.5 million in our own genocide. The problem is the association 'denial' has with other positions, I doubt the holocaust happened but I don't particularly care about Israel or Jews either.

    I don’t trust Mr. Unz’s judgment on Rezun. Rezun is very persuasive but when I looked at the arguments Mr. Unz recapitulated they didn’t seem all that impressive; in fact they looked like something someone reaching for specious evidence would come up with.

    And my greater problem is that I don’t doubt that Stalin was at least considering the notion of offensive war against Germany, but to launch it just then (summer 1941) would have been crazy.

    Irving seems interesting. His work is clearly biased, but the best historians have a bias. It gives them an edge to bite into the subject with. What I’ve read of him is good, but that is only a few chapters at random.

    I trust Mr. Unz’s judgment at least enough to think seriously about stuff he recommends rather than dismissing it out of hand.

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  96. Mitleser says:

    GAY-cuckserative American meddling in Germany

    And then there is Trump’s new representative in Berlin: U.S. Ambassador Richard Grenell, who enjoys close ties to both the U.S. president and to National Security Advisor John Bolton. Grenell recently told the far-right website Breitbart that he wants to “empower” right-wing conservatives in Germany and in Europe.

    He apparently views his mission as that of emulating Trump and challenging the political establishment here in Germany. And of strengthening the “conservatives,” whom he believes make up the silent majority. It seems unlikely that he was referring to Angela Merkel.

    Last Sunday afternoon, the American ambassador met with a number of young members of Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU). The gathering was part of the “Future Factory” format that Jens Spahn, Merkel’s chief conservative adversary within the CDU, hosts. Grenell told the politicians how he views Germany: As in the U.S. prior to Trump’s election victory, he sees a conservative “silent majority” that is slowly finding its political voice. At the end of the meeting, he added a personal message: “I am very happy that Jens and Daniel are here in Berlin. You make the start so much easier.” He was referring to Spahn, who is Merkel’s health minister, and Spahn’s husband.

    The CDU’s youth wing is enthusiastic about Trump’s man in Berlin. One meeting-participant from the state of Thuringia even pulled a red “Make America Great Again” cap out of his bag and asked the ambassador to have it autographed by Trump. “No problem,” Grenell promised.

    Spahn’s closeness with Grenell is no secret. On the contrary, the two have been celebrating their friendship over the past several weeks on Twitter. Grenell has hosted Spahn for dinner at the ambassador’s residence and Spahn has given Grenell a personal tour of the Reichstag. After the tour, Grenell tweeted out a picture of the two of them smiling broadly. “No better way to see the Bundestag than with a Member of Parliament. Thanks, @jensspahn!” the U.S. ambassador wrote.

    For Merkel, Spahn’s foray into foreign relations is beyond aggravating. If Grenell is the gateway to access to the Trump administration, then it is her adversary Spahn who holds the keys. No other member of German government or CDU member has such a personal connection to the U.S. ambassador – neither Merkel’s foreign policy adviser Jan Hecker nor Peter Beyer, the government’s coordinator for trans-Atlantic relations.

    Those close to Spahn say the CDU politician has known Grenell for around three years and that they have a lot in common, both politically and privately. Both are conservative, both are “critical of Islam” and both are gay. “Dinner with friends. Welcome to Berlin,” reads a recent tweet from Spahn’s husband Daniel Funke, who is the head of the Berlin bureau of Bunte, the gossip magazine. Attached to the tweet was a picture of the four friends complete with Grenell’s dog Lola. “We always love hanging with you two,” Grenell replied.

    Funke recently used his connection to land a long interview with the U.S. ambassador in his magazine. Grenell, for his part, is said to have helped Spahn arrange meetings with the powers that be in Washington, such as Trump’s former top adviser and far-right ideologue Stephen Bannon.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/angela-merkel-is-no-longer-the-queen-of-europe-a-1211950.html

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    Homintern.
    Of course someone like Spahn would be great for American interests, safely Atlanticist.
    As much as I hate Merkel and the Social Democrats, I actually would welcome it if this Grenell character was declared persona non grata and kicked out of Germany.
    Confirms me in my view that Trump and his people are just Bush 2.0, and that AfD is the only way to go.
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  97. @Mitleser
    GAY-cuckserative American meddling in Germany

    And then there is Trump's new representative in Berlin: U.S. Ambassador Richard Grenell, who enjoys close ties to both the U.S. president and to National Security Advisor John Bolton. Grenell recently told the far-right website Breitbart that he wants to "empower" right-wing conservatives in Germany and in Europe.

    He apparently views his mission as that of emulating Trump and challenging the political establishment here in Germany. And of strengthening the "conservatives," whom he believes make up the silent majority. It seems unlikely that he was referring to Angela Merkel.

    Last Sunday afternoon, the American ambassador met with a number of young members of Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU). The gathering was part of the "Future Factory" format that Jens Spahn, Merkel's chief conservative adversary within the CDU, hosts. Grenell told the politicians how he views Germany: As in the U.S. prior to Trump's election victory, he sees a conservative "silent majority" that is slowly finding its political voice. At the end of the meeting, he added a personal message: "I am very happy that Jens and Daniel are here in Berlin. You make the start so much easier." He was referring to Spahn, who is Merkel's health minister, and Spahn's husband.

    The CDU's youth wing is enthusiastic about Trump's man in Berlin. One meeting-participant from the state of Thuringia even pulled a red "Make America Great Again" cap out of his bag and asked the ambassador to have it autographed by Trump. "No problem," Grenell promised.

    Spahn's closeness with Grenell is no secret. On the contrary, the two have been celebrating their friendship over the past several weeks on Twitter. Grenell has hosted Spahn for dinner at the ambassador's residence and Spahn has given Grenell a personal tour of the Reichstag. After the tour, Grenell tweeted out a picture of the two of them smiling broadly. "No better way to see the Bundestag than with a Member of Parliament. Thanks, @jensspahn!" the U.S. ambassador wrote.

    For Merkel, Spahn's foray into foreign relations is beyond aggravating. If Grenell is the gateway to access to the Trump administration, then it is her adversary Spahn who holds the keys. No other member of German government or CDU member has such a personal connection to the U.S. ambassador - neither Merkel's foreign policy adviser Jan Hecker nor Peter Beyer, the government's coordinator for trans-Atlantic relations.

    Those close to Spahn say the CDU politician has known Grenell for around three years and that they have a lot in common, both politically and privately. Both are conservative, both are "critical of Islam" and both are gay. "Dinner with friends. Welcome to Berlin," reads a recent tweet from Spahn's husband Daniel Funke, who is the head of the Berlin bureau of Bunte, the gossip magazine. Attached to the tweet was a picture of the four friends complete with Grenell's dog Lola. "We always love hanging with you two," Grenell replied.

    Funke recently used his connection to land a long interview with the U.S. ambassador in his magazine. Grenell, for his part, is said to have helped Spahn arrange meetings with the powers that be in Washington, such as Trump's former top adviser and far-right ideologue Stephen Bannon.
     
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/angela-merkel-is-no-longer-the-queen-of-europe-a-1211950.html

    Homintern.
    Of course someone like Spahn would be great for American interests, safely Atlanticist.
    As much as I hate Merkel and the Social Democrats, I actually would welcome it if this Grenell character was declared persona non grata and kicked out of Germany.
    Confirms me in my view that Trump and his people are just Bush 2.0, and that AfD is the only way to go.

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  98. Rosie says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Marijuana is fine but unfortunately leads to leftism so all users and distributors need to be executed.

    Alcoholics tend to become melancholic artists or wife beaters in grease-stained wifebeaters. This promotes culture and patriarchy, respectively, so alcohol's cool.

    Cocaine is based as fuck and needs to be legalized ASAP.

    Alcoholics tend to become melancholic artists or wife beaters in grease-stained wifebeaters. This promotes culture and patriarchy, respectively, so alcohol’s cool.

    Charming.

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  99. Rosie says:
    @Polish Perspective
    http://thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/367323,Sweden-approves-contested-gas-pipeline-report

    Sweden’s Enterprise Minister Mikael Damberg said his country had no legal means of opposing the construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, public broadcaster Polish Radio’s IAR news agency reported.

    If built, the 1,200-kilometre pipeline, which is scheduled for completion in 2019, will be capable of supplying around 55 billion cubic metres of natural gas a year from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea, circumventing Poland, the Baltic states and Ukraine.

    Around 500 km of the gas link will run through Swedish territorial waters.

    Germany’s maritime authority approved the project in March, making Germany the first country to have issued all the necessary permits for the pipeline to be built within its territorial waters and exclusive economic zone.

    In early April, the Finnish government gave the go-ahead to the construction of the undersea pipeline through Finland's economic zone.

    The US State Department spokeswoman said in March that the American government opposed Nord Stream 2 as the project would undermine Europe’s energy security and stability.
     

    I am not surprised, nor am I particularly worried. I am probably in the minority of people who don't care too much about NS2. Germany is the paymaster of Europe. It was obvious that it was going to get approved. It simply makes economic sense to Germany. Poland will likely stop using Russian gas by the early 2020s anyway, which isn't exactly all that wise either, since Russian gas is quite cheap and Russia has been a reliable partner for us. But hey, gotta ramp up that red scare!

    http://thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/367146,Polish-unemployment-hits-28year-low

    Meanwhile, our economy is continuing to do quite well. According to the eurostat figures, we now have one of the lowest unemployment rates:

    https://i.imgur.com/N5ASlKj.jpg

    But this map is deceiving. What actually matters is employment rates. This is how it looks like:

    https://i.imgur.com/8LR9bYC.jpg

    We're in the bottom half for that one, though better than France for instance. We are improving rapidly and should probably reach the EU-28 median this year or next. Southern Spain, Southern Italy and much of Greece continues to be an absolute disaster. Portugal is doing quite well. If you look at the previous unemployment map, they also have better-than-EU average rates. What accounts for this Portuguese overperformance compared to the rest of the south?

    http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/367215,EU-officials-in-dispute-over-punitive-procedure-against-Poland-MEP


    Czarnecki, a former vice-president of the European Parliament, told public broadcaster Polish Radio that the difference of opinion saw the Commission’s First Vice-President Frans Timmermans pitted against the Commission’s head Jean-Claude Juncker and Secretary-General Martin Selmayr, a German linked to Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    Juncker and Selmayr want to end a protracted dispute with Poland as soon as possible, while Timmermans wants the procedure to go on, according to Czarnecki.

    Timmermans in mid-May said the EU executive would not withdraw its Article 7 disciplinary mechanism against Poland at this stage.
     

    I haven't seen this in other articles, but it sounds plausible. Selmayr is a close confidant to Juncker and Juncker himself has been very moderate in his statements compared to Timmermans, who seems to have an obsession with us. Selmayr is also German, and will take Merkel's more nuanced stance into account. It has been Macron, out of the major European leaders, who has been most alarmist about us. But despite fawning media glory, Macron's real influence in Europe - outside of his natural Southern European constituency - is limited. Even a weakened Merkel is stronger.

    Overall, the entire process has been a protracted clownshow. Now we not only have Hungary's promise to veto but we have the Baltic 3 as well. Juncker knows this, and given the Italian populist developments, he understands spending a lot of political captial in a fight where he won't get anywhere is pointless.

    PP, do you have any thoughts on this:

    Poland 600%
    Latvia 100%
    France 85%
    Netherlands 85%
    Norway 81%
    Denmark 77%
    Romania 75%
    Turkey 68%
    Bulgaria 58%
    Finland 53%
    Greece 51%
    Belgium 50%
    Russia 44%
    Slovakia 43%
    Croatia 43%
    Hungary 40%
    Germany 38%

    It’s a ranking of women’s “far-right” vote as a percentage of men’s. Poland is a clear outlier. I assumed it was because of religious/cultural conservatism among Polish women. Another commenter said it’s just “noise.” What say you?

    Here’s a link to the thread.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/latest-party-to-go-far-right-on-immigration-denmarks-social-democrats/

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    That's very interesting, Rosie, I skimmed through the comment thread you posted. Some initial thoughts.

    - Religiosity. Poland has the highest amount of active religious citizens in the under-40 category. Women are known to be both A) more religious than men and B) more active in their respective congregations than men. In Poland, Catholicism is deeply enmeshed with our national identity, which is why you'd often have quite religious parties on the far-right. I am an outlier in that sense (atheism).

    - The party selected. I see now that the party was League of Polish Families, which is not one of the main far-right groupings. You can think of it as a nationalist version of Christian Democrats(CDU in Germany). Parties which are pro-family tend to have very strong policies for women, given that women are seen as the primary party in child-bearing and raising the kids. So my guess is that while Polish women overall are underrepresented than Polish men, they are probably disproportionately supporting parties like that.

    That said, there are more and more women joining, especially younger women. One of the main organisers of last year's independence march (100K people in Warsaw) was a women in her late 20s. Women are held in high esteem in Poland, and have traditionally had a very strong say in the household. I read somewhere that we have the highest amount of women as a share of senior executives (which is more important than just being a board member, since senior execs have real power) in all of the OECD. Curiously, Russia also ranked quite high. I can't compare with how it was 10-15 years ago as I was just a child then, but people who are older in the movement tell me there's been a strong rebalancing of the genders, which is ultimately a good thing. I don't buy the white sharia nonsense.

    P.S.

    The Polish number is noise since almost all Polish political parties are “far-right” on immigration by western European standards. In particular the main Polish “center-right” party PiS is somewhat to the right of Marine Le Pen.
     
    That comment was written by snorlax and I can already shoot it down. PO, the main opposition party and often cast as "center-right" are in fact neoliberals and they have openly stated they want a multicultural Poland. PiS is not a nationalist party in a true sense either, since they still buy the civic nationalist framework. PSL, the farmer's party, are just useful idiots to the neoliberals. And then we have SLD (social democrats) which were voted out in the last election but will almost certainly be making a comeback in the next parliament. You can already guess their position. Poland isn't in such a good position as people claim, and that is true for all V4 countries.

    It's true that Poland's immigration position as of now is close to that of FN in France, but FN is a civic nationalist party, too. That's why I am not supporting PiS. It's also why I am discouraging support for parties like AfD, FN, SD etc whenever I meet nationalists abroad. It's a false opposition, since they just want to slow things down, but not fundamentally change anything of importance.

    P.P.S.

    Some of the parties in the list cannot be compared. For instance, the party they chose for Norway is the "Progress Party", or Fremskrittspartiet(abbreviated as 'FrP' in Norway). It is a very mild party whose immigration minister resigned a few months ago after she said she didn't want Norway to be turned into Sweden. The firestorm that ensued ended her career in large part because nobody in the leadership cadre had the guts and the spine to stand by her, so she was abandoned. Very based party.

    By contrast, League of Polish families is a far more radical party, but as I noted, it is also a very religious/pro-family one, which would explain why many women support it. I'd still take the League of Polish families as a political model over FrP and similar parties.
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  100. Mitleser says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    The club hasn't been useful since it was the G6.

    I don't understand why Canada is allowed to participate, let alone host the event. Indeed, I don't understand why Canada is allowed to exist at all.

    And yes, now with the rise of China it has become a complete farce.

    America must deal with Canada and end the America’s Canadian annoyance once and for all!

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    Man, what I'd give to see this headline:


    US sanctions Canada, explains 'We can't trade with faggy nations.'
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  101. @Daniel Chieh
    Don't you live in Japan as an Evil Kremlin Agent? You're fairly well insulated from basically any aspect of the insanity.

    I’m an American living in Russia, which is a surprisingly sane place given its history and the residual тараканы. We’ll see how long it lasts.

    Although a good Orthodox Christian and traditional family man, I am also an old school liberal: I can tolerate all kinds of madness so long as I can live my own life free of persecution. What worries me is how illiberal the madness has become.

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    I think I spent a lot of my life trying to just avoid the crazy and figuring that sanity would just naturally prevail in the end. Talk about being wrong. Although its not directly related to me, I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment in that it was no longer even possible just to do fun things without the nutcases invading.
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  102. @Mitleser
    America must deal with Canada and end the America's Canadian annoyance once and for all!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1005586152076689408

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1005586562959093760

    Man, what I’d give to see this headline:

    US sanctions Canada, explains ‘We can’t trade with faggy nations.’

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  103. Yevardian says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Central Bucharest is not, of course, the most representative sample, but there were at least 2,000 people here.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1005493720215584769

    Fuck. Has it really gotten to this point? When I left gays couldn’t walk on the streets.

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  104. Jewish groups back calls for Tory Islamophobia inquiry in solidarity with Muslim leaders

    https://www.rt.com/uk/429002-jewish-groups-tory-islamophobia/

    Gratefulness is an emotion only fit for mere mortals.

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  105. @The Big Red Scary
    I'm an American living in Russia, which is a surprisingly sane place given its history and the residual тараканы. We'll see how long it lasts.

    Although a good Orthodox Christian and traditional family man, I am also an old school liberal: I can tolerate all kinds of madness so long as I can live my own life free of persecution. What worries me is how illiberal the madness has become.

    I think I spent a lot of my life trying to just avoid the crazy and figuring that sanity would just naturally prevail in the end. Talk about being wrong. Although its not directly related to me, I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment in that it was no longer even possible just to do fun things without the nutcases invading.

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    How did you try to avoid it in the first place? You live in the US, right? Although I fortunately no longer have to suffer the inanities of ultra-liberals, when I lived in the more pozzed parts of Western Europe it constantly felt like being a fish surrounded by polluted water for me.
    , @The Big Red Scary
    "I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment."

    I had already moved to Russia before Gamergate and probably wouldn't have payed attention anyway.
    But since part of this thread is about historical revisionism, let me give me my completely uninformed version of Gamergate for people to revise:

    Dudes are pissed that some video game magazines have gotten to PC. Some chick develops a game, and her former lover write an article claiming she gets good reviews from her new lover. This chick gets death and rape threats from crazy dudes and her address is made public, so she actually has legitimate reason to worry. Media blames all white men, not just the crazy dudes.

    Conclusion: Twitter is even more damaging to the social fabric than drugs, sex, and rock and roll.
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  106. @Anatoly Karlin
    Marijuana is fine but unfortunately leads to leftism so all users and distributors need to be executed.

    Alcoholics tend to become melancholic artists or wife beaters in grease-stained wifebeaters. This promotes culture and patriarchy, respectively, so alcohol's cool.

    Cocaine is based as fuck and needs to be legalized ASAP.

    Russian schools should discourage chess clubs and promote weight lifting clubs. The Bronze Age will rise again!

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  107. @Rosie
    PP, do you have any thoughts on this:

    Poland 600%
    Latvia 100%
    France 85%
    Netherlands 85%
    Norway 81%
    Denmark 77%
    Romania 75%
    Turkey 68%
    Bulgaria 58%
    Finland 53%
    Greece 51%
    Belgium 50%
    Russia 44%
    Slovakia 43%
    Croatia 43%
    Hungary 40%
    Germany 38%

    It's a ranking of women's "far-right" vote as a percentage of men's. Poland is a clear outlier. I assumed it was because of religious/cultural conservatism among Polish women. Another commenter said it's just "noise." What say you?

    Here's a link to the thread.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/latest-party-to-go-far-right-on-immigration-denmarks-social-democrats/

    That’s very interesting, Rosie, I skimmed through the comment thread you posted. Some initial thoughts.

    - Religiosity. Poland has the highest amount of active religious citizens in the under-40 category. Women are known to be both A) more religious than men and B) more active in their respective congregations than men. In Poland, Catholicism is deeply enmeshed with our national identity, which is why you’d often have quite religious parties on the far-right. I am an outlier in that sense (atheism).

    - The party selected. I see now that the party was League of Polish Families, which is not one of the main far-right groupings. You can think of it as a nationalist version of Christian Democrats(CDU in Germany). Parties which are pro-family tend to have very strong policies for women, given that women are seen as the primary party in child-bearing and raising the kids. So my guess is that while Polish women overall are underrepresented than Polish men, they are probably disproportionately supporting parties like that.

    That said, there are more and more women joining, especially younger women. One of the main organisers of last year’s independence march (100K people in Warsaw) was a women in her late 20s. Women are held in high esteem in Poland, and have traditionally had a very strong say in the household. I read somewhere that we have the highest amount of women as a share of senior executives (which is more important than just being a board member, since senior execs have real power) in all of the OECD. Curiously, Russia also ranked quite high. I can’t compare with how it was 10-15 years ago as I was just a child then, but people who are older in the movement tell me there’s been a strong rebalancing of the genders, which is ultimately a good thing. I don’t buy the white sharia nonsense.

    P.S.

    The Polish number is noise since almost all Polish political parties are “far-right” on immigration by western European standards. In particular the main Polish “center-right” party PiS is somewhat to the right of Marine Le Pen.

    That comment was written by snorlax and I can already shoot it down. PO, the main opposition party and often cast as “center-right” are in fact neoliberals and they have openly stated they want a multicultural Poland. PiS is not a nationalist party in a true sense either, since they still buy the civic nationalist framework. PSL, the farmer’s party, are just useful idiots to the neoliberals. And then we have SLD (social democrats) which were voted out in the last election but will almost certainly be making a comeback in the next parliament. You can already guess their position. Poland isn’t in such a good position as people claim, and that is true for all V4 countries.

    It’s true that Poland’s immigration position as of now is close to that of FN in France, but FN is a civic nationalist party, too. That’s why I am not supporting PiS. It’s also why I am discouraging support for parties like AfD, FN, SD etc whenever I meet nationalists abroad. It’s a false opposition, since they just want to slow things down, but not fundamentally change anything of importance.

    P.P.S.

    Some of the parties in the list cannot be compared. For instance, the party they chose for Norway is the “Progress Party”, or Fremskrittspartiet(abbreviated as ‘FrP’ in Norway). It is a very mild party whose immigration minister resigned a few months ago after she said she didn’t want Norway to be turned into Sweden. The firestorm that ensued ended her career in large part because nobody in the leadership cadre had the guts and the spine to stand by her, so she was abandoned. Very based party.

    By contrast, League of Polish families is a far more radical party, but as I noted, it is also a very religious/pro-family one, which would explain why many women support it. I’d still take the League of Polish families as a political model over FrP and similar parties.

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    @107 Polish perspective:

    My take on comparably high female representation in both Russia and Poland is the following one:

    1: Neither Russian nor Polish have as many insults for being smart as English (to a lesser extent German) has. Being intelligent is, in either a Russian or a Polish high school, less of a social risk then in an American one. This is results in more rigorous and serious scientific schooling in the hard sciences for both sexes.

    2: Gender simply isnt such a big deal in either country. You dont have this infantilizing "but muh patriarchical oppression" thing.

    3: More legit female role models (f.e. Marie Curie in Poland, Lyudmilla Pavlichenko in Russia).

    4: While their is a glass ceiling for women in both Poland and Russia, once a women has broken through by proving she has the chops she is basically through (until she tries to break the next ceiling that is). In the west, officially there arent any glass ceilings so you cant prove yourself by breaking them, as such, in the west the "proving" continues forever.
    , @anon

    I read somewhere that we have the highest amount of women as a share of senior executives (which is more important than just being a board member, since senior execs have real power) in all of the OECD. Curiously, Russia also ranked quite high.
     
    If Poland and Russia ranked higher than Sweden, then I think the high level of female executives is not due to progressive gender equality climate of either country (although that doesn't mean the climate is negative) but something low quality about the men in Russia and Poland. Slavic men tend to not be good at communication and lack soft skills compared to Western European men. Slavic women and Western European women are equal in capability in those traits. This allows Slavic women to take on leadership roles in the business world in Russia and Poland because the male competition does not produce enough skilled individuals to completely shut out the playing field.
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  108. Ukraine comes dead last out of eight in Strong Europe Tank Challenge 2018.

    http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2018/06/09/strong-europe-tank-challenge-2018-final/

    Germanics dominate as usual: Germany #1, Austria #3. Sweden is #2.

    I wonder how Russia would do in this competition. Ukraine’s performance is a data point, but they really are probably much worse trained than the others. This is encouraging, in that Ukraine’s military recuperation after 2014 may be more modest than I generally assume.

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    Interesting that the overall results cannot be found anywhere, only the top three.
    , @AP
    Last year Ukraine beat Poland.

    Ukraine's problem this year may have been technical:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/8ptnr6/ukrainian_tankers_took_the_last_place_in_strong/

    I'm not an expert in this field, but this was the reason given:

    Ukrainian tanks have lower height than Abrams, so in one important exercise (defense) they lost all points, because their tanks can't be used as a height for observing surroundings(nonsense in 21 century). Explanation:

    By the rules participants should drive up a higher artificial ground level, fire two rounds, then drive back to a lower ground level and observe.

    They couldn't see anything even standing on a tank's tower, because their tanks have the lowest height - a real advantage in real combat.

    So, it's the lowest height tank in competition, which is a real advantage in real combat, and they lost points due to that feature.

    Also some technical problems with some system on tanks in the beginning.

    ::::::::

    In 2017 Ukrainian team lost some points because they weren't trained in shooting with handguns (useless).

    That time Poland was on the last place.(though only 6 teams last year)
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  109. @Anatoly Karlin
    Ukraine comes dead last out of eight in Strong Europe Tank Challenge 2018.

    http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2018/06/09/strong-europe-tank-challenge-2018-final/

    Germanics dominate as usual: Germany #1, Austria #3. Sweden is #2.

    I wonder how Russia would do in this competition. Ukraine's performance is a data point, but they really are probably much worse trained than the others. This is encouraging, in that Ukraine's military recuperation after 2014 may be more modest than I generally assume.

    Interesting that the overall results cannot be found anywhere, only the top three.

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    From last year

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GWAjb3lB9kU/WRcRcBom4eI/AAAAAAAAAuM/9xfEnto_Dcsg45o1gjNVmH5T9l06oj3pwCLcB/s1600/nJ24AjhnV-8.jpg

    It is not encouraging to be one of the last.
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  110. @Daniel Chieh
    I think I spent a lot of my life trying to just avoid the crazy and figuring that sanity would just naturally prevail in the end. Talk about being wrong. Although its not directly related to me, I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment in that it was no longer even possible just to do fun things without the nutcases invading.

    How did you try to avoid it in the first place? You live in the US, right? Although I fortunately no longer have to suffer the inanities of ultra-liberals, when I lived in the more pozzed parts of Western Europe it constantly felt like being a fish surrounded by polluted water for me.

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    I think up until 2010 or so, one could still say something like "I'm old-fashioned" and pass inspection. There was some sort of watershed moment after that - either same sex marriage or world war T with Bruce Jenner - after which conservative opinions moved from being unfashionable to being seen as actually evil. "Convergence", basically, happened then and it was no longer possible to hold the line on anything.

    Not only was it now everywhere, as you noted, but you would directly suffer the consequences of your opinions; for me, I clearly remember when I disagreed that Bruce Jenner was a "woman" and immediately was warned by someone that he would find out where I worked and let them know that someone "so ignorant and hateful existed" so I'd get fired.

    The analogy to polluted waters is accurate. I'm planning my exit as well.
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  111. According to this (I don’t know how reliable), Israeli F-35s flew above Iran and the S-300 didn’t notice them. Iran suspects (or not – might be a lie) that Russia cooperated with Israel and gave away information about the radar. The latter doesn’t sound very plausible to me.

    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/iran-news/khamenei-fires-air-force-chief-over-israeli-f-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/

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    Yeah I saw this. There is 0% chance this actually happened.

    Israel is a snakelike, unreliable ally, but it still knows that it can't push the US too far. The US would lose it's shit if Israel did something like that and we would start seeing mysterious "delays" in future Israeli weapons orders.

    When Israel really did use it's F-35s over Lebanon, the US demanded that they be deployed only with their radar reflectors on and Israel complied.
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  112. @Hyperborean

    Well, there was the American oil embargo, but I don’t think Americans should be faulted for disapproving of Japan’s war in China.
    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today? My superficial impression is that the Pacific war isn’t emphasized much today in US views of WW2, since it’s seen as somewhat politically incorrect.
     
    Leaving aside the issue of the ABCD line, I think the Hull Note (https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Hull_note) is too vague in how it defines Chinese territory. If Manchuria is not considered Chinese then the Hull Note might have been acceptable, but if Manchuria is considered Chinese then I can understand why Japan would consider that a hostile declaration.


    From reading American history books, articles and newspapers which talk about the Pacific War I get a very schizophrenic impression:

    On one hand the Japanese Empire is portrayed very negatively. On the other hand there is a significant emotional investment in the issue of the internment of Japanese emigrants.*


    I don't know how much the Pacific War is emphasised by ordinary Americans but it is definitely brought up by newspapers during anniversaries of Pearl Harbour.


    *I wonder a bit what was going on in the minds of the American authorities who made the decision. Why intern only half of the Japanese resident population? And why the people living on the West Coast and not the people living in Hawaii instead, which was much more a frontline state?

    The Hull Note is too vague in how it defines Chinese territory. If Manchuria is not considered Chinese then the Hull Note might have been acceptable, but if Manchuria is considered Chinese then I can understand why Japan would consider that a hostile declaration.

    As you say, Hull’s “ultimatum” of 26 November was poorly worded: he insisted on a withdrawal from “China”, which for him did not include Manchuria; the Japanese understood it to require withdrawal from Manchuria, which was a total nonstarter for them.

    John Toland (Rising Sun) interviewed various high-ranking Japanese involved in the final war deliberations, and when they learned of this misunderstanding their reaction, while not completely uniform, strongly suggests that war with the US could well have been avoided.

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  113. Mitleser says:
    @reiner Tor
    Interesting that the overall results cannot be found anywhere, only the top three.

    From last year

    It is not encouraging to be one of the last.

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    The first two years (2016 and 2017) can be found on Wikipedia. It’s 2018 which is missing except for the first three.
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  114. @Mitleser
    From last year

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GWAjb3lB9kU/WRcRcBom4eI/AAAAAAAAAuM/9xfEnto_Dcsg45o1gjNVmH5T9l06oj3pwCLcB/s1600/nJ24AjhnV-8.jpg

    It is not encouraging to be one of the last.

    The first two years (2016 and 2017) can be found on Wikipedia. It’s 2018 which is missing except for the first three.

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    Scores according to a French twitter user:


    1st: Germany (Leopard 2A6) 1450 points

    2nd: Sweden (Stridsvagn 122) 1411

    3rd: Austria (Leopard 2A4) 1321

    4th: France (AMX-56 Leclerc) 1186

    5th: Poland (Leopard 2A5) 1151

    6th: UK (Challenger II) 1140

    7th: US (M1A2 SEP) 1100

    8th: Ukraine (T-84U) 950
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305&page=2#entry1372477

    Poor performance of pro-Ukrainian team partly explained by T-84 fire control system failure during first day ("assault"). Defense day video - From about 2:00 tanker complain about dugouts too deep (as designed for Abrams) and T-84 was unable to see targets from it - so they were firing from open positions
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372060

    Ukrops complain too much. Should ditch their tanks for superior Leo 2.

    Sweden managed a honourable second place after Germany and ahead of Austria. Well done! :) All three countries used various versions of the Leopard 2 which, I guess, means it is a really god tank.
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372237
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  115. @Daniel Chieh
    I think I spent a lot of my life trying to just avoid the crazy and figuring that sanity would just naturally prevail in the end. Talk about being wrong. Although its not directly related to me, I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment in that it was no longer even possible just to do fun things without the nutcases invading.

    “I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment.”

    I had already moved to Russia before Gamergate and probably wouldn’t have payed attention anyway.
    But since part of this thread is about historical revisionism, let me give me my completely uninformed version of Gamergate for people to revise:

    Dudes are pissed that some video game magazines have gotten to PC. Some chick develops a game, and her former lover write an article claiming she gets good reviews from her new lover. This chick gets death and rape threats from crazy dudes and her address is made public, so she actually has legitimate reason to worry. Media blames all white men, not just the crazy dudes.

    Conclusion: Twitter is even more damaging to the social fabric than drugs, sex, and rock and roll.

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    Haha. I'll say its something akin to this, though I'm actually from the NRX pipeline:

    Some chick writes a terrible game. Guys review it and mock it as a terrible game, but is given good reviews due to sympathetic lover. Gamers, already annoyed at earlier abuses, turn heavily on the woman and magazines in general for this form of abuse; they all get bashed by professional feminist agitators who disliked nerds as icky anyway.

    Unlike before, though, the nerds fight back both by licit and less licit means. Realizing that they may have actually found opposition, the feminists throw everything at them and proceed to recruit intersectionalists allies. Media runs with it and finds white knights, and a convenient excuse to further converge everything.

    At the end of the day, the gamers get pissed but the companies have mostly been bashed into submission. The rest is a spoils fight between feminists and their insectionalists allies. Subsequent games are pretty terrible.

    Japan continues to make games with goth lolitas with lacy panties.

    Glory to the Rising Sun.


    IIRC it didn't have a racial component, though gamers are overwhelmingly white or East Asian and male. KotakuInAction, basically the GamersGate hub, wasn't even that "male" in attitude; like they never seemed to voice an opinion on female enfranchisement or anything like that. They just wanted to continue to play video games, or have feminine girls in video games; all they wanted to do was escape. They got instead turned into lambs for a political spoils fight, only they weren't so lamb-like in response.

    , @songbird
    I believe that Twitter indeed has a negative influence, especially in the way it seems to create pressures on corporations, but, honestly, though some say otherwise, I think the internet in general has had a very negative effect on politics because it magnifies the power of virtue signaling and brings a lot of super-crazies together.
    , @iffen
    Conclusion: Twitter is even more damaging to the social fabric than drugs, sex, and rock and roll.


    I have resisted getting a Twitter account, but since you put it this way ...
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  116. @Hyperborean
    How did you try to avoid it in the first place? You live in the US, right? Although I fortunately no longer have to suffer the inanities of ultra-liberals, when I lived in the more pozzed parts of Western Europe it constantly felt like being a fish surrounded by polluted water for me.

    I think up until 2010 or so, one could still say something like “I’m old-fashioned” and pass inspection. There was some sort of watershed moment after that – either same sex marriage or world war T with Bruce Jenner – after which conservative opinions moved from being unfashionable to being seen as actually evil. “Convergence”, basically, happened then and it was no longer possible to hold the line on anything.

    Not only was it now everywhere, as you noted, but you would directly suffer the consequences of your opinions; for me, I clearly remember when I disagreed that Bruce Jenner was a “woman” and immediately was warned by someone that he would find out where I worked and let them know that someone “so ignorant and hateful existed” so I’d get fired.

    The analogy to polluted waters is accurate. I’m planning my exit as well.

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    I’m planning my exit as well.
     
    If it's not a secret, what does that consist of?
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  117. @The Big Red Scary
    "I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment."

    I had already moved to Russia before Gamergate and probably wouldn't have payed attention anyway.
    But since part of this thread is about historical revisionism, let me give me my completely uninformed version of Gamergate for people to revise:

    Dudes are pissed that some video game magazines have gotten to PC. Some chick develops a game, and her former lover write an article claiming she gets good reviews from her new lover. This chick gets death and rape threats from crazy dudes and her address is made public, so she actually has legitimate reason to worry. Media blames all white men, not just the crazy dudes.

    Conclusion: Twitter is even more damaging to the social fabric than drugs, sex, and rock and roll.

    Haha. I’ll say its something akin to this, though I’m actually from the NRX pipeline:

    Some chick writes a terrible game. Guys review it and mock it as a terrible game, but is given good reviews due to sympathetic lover. Gamers, already annoyed at earlier abuses, turn heavily on the woman and magazines in general for this form of abuse; they all get bashed by professional feminist agitators who disliked nerds as icky anyway.

    Unlike before, though, the nerds fight back both by licit and less licit means. Realizing that they may have actually found opposition, the feminists throw everything at them and proceed to recruit intersectionalists allies. Media runs with it and finds white knights, and a convenient excuse to further converge everything.

    At the end of the day, the gamers get pissed but the companies have mostly been bashed into submission. The rest is a spoils fight between feminists and their insectionalists allies. Subsequent games are pretty terrible.

    Japan continues to make games with goth lolitas with lacy panties.

    Glory to the Rising Sun.

    IIRC it didn’t have a racial component, though gamers are overwhelmingly white or East Asian and male. KotakuInAction, basically the GamersGate hub, wasn’t even that “male” in attitude; like they never seemed to voice an opinion on female enfranchisement or anything like that. They just wanted to continue to play video games, or have feminine girls in video games; all they wanted to do was escape. They got instead turned into lambs for a political spoils fight, only they weren’t so lamb-like in response.

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    "Japan continues to make games with goth lolitas with lacy panties.

    Glory to the Rising Sun."

    At least your version has a happy ending.

    "I clearly remember when I disagreed that Bruce Jenner was a “woman” and immediately was warned by someone that he would find out where I worked and let them know that someone “so ignorant and hateful existed” so I’d get fired."

    This is what I mean by illiberal. And it's terrifying. It's one thing to control people's actions ("you can't beat up trannies"), and quite another to control their words. But to me, this is just another face of totalitarianism. Do NRX have something practical and non-totalitarian to offer?

    Personally, I like Scott Alexander's idea of the "archipelago":

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/07/archipelago-and-atomic-communitarianism/
    , @notanon
    spot on
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  118. @reiner Tor
    According to this (I don’t know how reliable), Israeli F-35s flew above Iran and the S-300 didn’t notice them. Iran suspects (or not - might be a lie) that Russia cooperated with Israel and gave away information about the radar. The latter doesn’t sound very plausible to me.

    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/iran-news/khamenei-fires-air-force-chief-over-israeli-f-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/

    Yeah I saw this. There is 0% chance this actually happened.

    Israel is a snakelike, unreliable ally, but it still knows that it can’t push the US too far. The US would lose it’s shit if Israel did something like that and we would start seeing mysterious “delays” in future Israeli weapons orders.

    When Israel really did use it’s F-35s over Lebanon, the US demanded that they be deployed only with their radar reflectors on and Israel complied.

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  119. @The Big Red Scary
    I'm curious what people make of Unz's article about David Irving, or about David Irving himself.

    Sorry to AK if this attracts his one banned group of commenters. There are a bunch of them over at Unz's thread, but I'd like to hear the opinions of the more reasonable people from AK's readers, particularly German_reader and Reiner Tor.

    The only David Irving book I read (though perhaps it’s the most important one) is Hitler’s War and the War Path. (So basically two books in one.)

    It appears to me that he is interesting to read if you are well versed in the topic in question, but be prepared that he occasionally puts forward theories which make little sense, and often distorts the evidence. His refusal to quote secondary sources means that he doesn’t believe in cumulative knowledge. His findings are often very insightful, but sometimes he arrives at extremely implausible conclusions.

    While he never specifically researched the holocaust, his thesis (that Hitler knew nothing about it until maybe 1943 and that it was the initiative of his security apparatus) is contradicted by all the available evidence. He’s misleading the readers and fails to engage the literature. By not citing secondary sources, it’s quite easy for him, all he needs to do is cherry-pick from the documents. A good corrective could be Richard J. Evans and his Telling Lies about Hitler. (The book is written about the lawsuit where Evans was a witness of the defendant.)

    He also distorts things about the conduct of the war. For example he exaggerates Hitler’s military genius in the case of the Battle of France. Hitler actually didn’t understand Manstein’s plan at all. A good corrective might be The Blitzkrieg Legend by Karl-Heinz Frieser.

    Then there’s the case of treason. Irving hints at certain operations’ failure being caused by sabotage, like I think in the case of the Falaise Pocket he mentions how it turned out that Kluge had some loose connection to the July 20 conspirators. Technically it’s true, but it’s of course not like any evidence has ever surfaced to suggest that he deliberately sabotaged the war effort.

    There’s a number of similar examples. The real strength of his work is that at least there’s a pro-Hitler viewpoint now.

    That said, I think what he got after the publication of Hitler’s War was unjustified, and helped him becoming something of a crank.

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    The Holocaust is basically not very interesting (and many of its victims extremely unsympathetic) unless you're from one of the victim groups (one victim group in particular), and its elevation to a major secular religion has seriously distorted World War 2 scholarship for the past 30-40 years. More than just scholarship in fact. Early histories, while less accurate for many reasons, are generally much more enjoyable to read since they largely ignore the matter.

    Irving's reassessment of the H-man as a skilled military leader is also a welcome corrective to the nonsense turned out about the alleged "genius" German generals after the war. This extends well beyond smears against the H-man to protect their own reputations as well. Heinz Guderian resorted to lying about the conveniently dead Ludwig Beck as well.

    The man is clearly some sort of a neo-nazi (I don't mean that as a slur) and thus biased, but his enemies are much less sympathetic and far more dishonest.

    John Keegan still makes a point of defending Hitler's War.
    , @iffen
    A good corrective could be Richard J. Evans and his Telling Lies about Hitler. (The book is written about the lawsuit where Evans was a witness of the defendant.)


    The Holcaust on Trial by D. D. Guttenplan is good.
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  120. @reiner Tor
    The only David Irving book I read (though perhaps it’s the most important one) is Hitler’s War and the War Path. (So basically two books in one.)

    It appears to me that he is interesting to read if you are well versed in the topic in question, but be prepared that he occasionally puts forward theories which make little sense, and often distorts the evidence. His refusal to quote secondary sources means that he doesn’t believe in cumulative knowledge. His findings are often very insightful, but sometimes he arrives at extremely implausible conclusions.

    While he never specifically researched the holocaust, his thesis (that Hitler knew nothing about it until maybe 1943 and that it was the initiative of his security apparatus) is contradicted by all the available evidence. He’s misleading the readers and fails to engage the literature. By not citing secondary sources, it’s quite easy for him, all he needs to do is cherry-pick from the documents. A good corrective could be Richard J. Evans and his Telling Lies about Hitler. (The book is written about the lawsuit where Evans was a witness of the defendant.)

    He also distorts things about the conduct of the war. For example he exaggerates Hitler’s military genius in the case of the Battle of France. Hitler actually didn’t understand Manstein’s plan at all. A good corrective might be The Blitzkrieg Legend by Karl-Heinz Frieser.

    Then there’s the case of treason. Irving hints at certain operations’ failure being caused by sabotage, like I think in the case of the Falaise Pocket he mentions how it turned out that Kluge had some loose connection to the July 20 conspirators. Technically it’s true, but it’s of course not like any evidence has ever surfaced to suggest that he deliberately sabotaged the war effort.

    There’s a number of similar examples. The real strength of his work is that at least there’s a pro-Hitler viewpoint now.

    That said, I think what he got after the publication of Hitler’s War was unjustified, and helped him becoming something of a crank.

    The Holocaust is basically not very interesting (and many of its victims extremely unsympathetic) unless you’re from one of the victim groups (one victim group in particular), and its elevation to a major secular religion has seriously distorted World War 2 scholarship for the past 30-40 years. More than just scholarship in fact. Early histories, while less accurate for many reasons, are generally much more enjoyable to read since they largely ignore the matter.

    Irving’s reassessment of the H-man as a skilled military leader is also a welcome corrective to the nonsense turned out about the alleged “genius” German generals after the war. This extends well beyond smears against the H-man to protect their own reputations as well. Heinz Guderian resorted to lying about the conveniently dead Ludwig Beck as well.

    The man is clearly some sort of a neo-nazi (I don’t mean that as a slur) and thus biased, but his enemies are much less sympathetic and far more dishonest.

    John Keegan still makes a point of defending Hitler’s War.

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    John Keegan still makes a point of defending Hitler’s War.
     
    John Keegan died in 2012, so that should be past tense.
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  121. @Thorfinnsson
    The Holocaust is basically not very interesting (and many of its victims extremely unsympathetic) unless you're from one of the victim groups (one victim group in particular), and its elevation to a major secular religion has seriously distorted World War 2 scholarship for the past 30-40 years. More than just scholarship in fact. Early histories, while less accurate for many reasons, are generally much more enjoyable to read since they largely ignore the matter.

    Irving's reassessment of the H-man as a skilled military leader is also a welcome corrective to the nonsense turned out about the alleged "genius" German generals after the war. This extends well beyond smears against the H-man to protect their own reputations as well. Heinz Guderian resorted to lying about the conveniently dead Ludwig Beck as well.

    The man is clearly some sort of a neo-nazi (I don't mean that as a slur) and thus biased, but his enemies are much less sympathetic and far more dishonest.

    John Keegan still makes a point of defending Hitler's War.

    John Keegan still makes a point of defending Hitler’s War.

    John Keegan died in 2012, so that should be past tense.

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    I had no idea. Rest in peace.
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  122. @German_reader

    John Keegan still makes a point of defending Hitler’s War.
     
    John Keegan died in 2012, so that should be past tense.

    I had no idea. Rest in peace.

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  123. @Daniel Chieh
    Haha. I'll say its something akin to this, though I'm actually from the NRX pipeline:

    Some chick writes a terrible game. Guys review it and mock it as a terrible game, but is given good reviews due to sympathetic lover. Gamers, already annoyed at earlier abuses, turn heavily on the woman and magazines in general for this form of abuse; they all get bashed by professional feminist agitators who disliked nerds as icky anyway.

    Unlike before, though, the nerds fight back both by licit and less licit means. Realizing that they may have actually found opposition, the feminists throw everything at them and proceed to recruit intersectionalists allies. Media runs with it and finds white knights, and a convenient excuse to further converge everything.

    At the end of the day, the gamers get pissed but the companies have mostly been bashed into submission. The rest is a spoils fight between feminists and their insectionalists allies. Subsequent games are pretty terrible.

    Japan continues to make games with goth lolitas with lacy panties.

    Glory to the Rising Sun.


    IIRC it didn't have a racial component, though gamers are overwhelmingly white or East Asian and male. KotakuInAction, basically the GamersGate hub, wasn't even that "male" in attitude; like they never seemed to voice an opinion on female enfranchisement or anything like that. They just wanted to continue to play video games, or have feminine girls in video games; all they wanted to do was escape. They got instead turned into lambs for a political spoils fight, only they weren't so lamb-like in response.

    “Japan continues to make games with goth lolitas with lacy panties.

    Glory to the Rising Sun.”

    At least your version has a happy ending.

    “I clearly remember when I disagreed that Bruce Jenner was a “woman” and immediately was warned by someone that he would find out where I worked and let them know that someone “so ignorant and hateful existed” so I’d get fired.”

    This is what I mean by illiberal. And it’s terrifying. It’s one thing to control people’s actions (“you can’t beat up trannies”), and quite another to control their words. But to me, this is just another face of totalitarianism. Do NRX have something practical and non-totalitarian to offer?

    Personally, I like Scott Alexander’s idea of the “archipelago”:

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/07/archipelago-and-atomic-communitarianism/

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    NRX promotes technofeudalism, so it is authoritarian by nature.

    It offers two solutions from what I can tell:

    1) Secure power. The idea is that virtue signaling is unnecessary if there is secure power in an elite, so if someone still wants to hurt you for being offensive to him and of course, its going to happen, then he is going to appeal to an elite that does have the ability to actually harm you. No need to engage in spiraling insanity to get a mob.

    In that case, at least you know where the shiv is coming from. You need to make nice with the local mob/nobility/etc. and so does your enemy. Its all very human, and its not ideal, but at least its better than having to be subject to a constant jury of invisible commissars.

    2)Exit. NRX often promotes the idea of many independent, small fiefdoms of balkanized power. So while you might not be able to do anything about your local patchlord's goal to castrate all men and turn all women into nuns for the greater glory of the Sun God, anyone should be able to leave and find someone saner to serve.

    Ideally, it should gradually exhaust the population of the insane ones, and reinforce the population of patches with secure, sane leaders.
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  124. @The Big Red Scary
    "Japan continues to make games with goth lolitas with lacy panties.

    Glory to the Rising Sun."

    At least your version has a happy ending.

    "I clearly remember when I disagreed that Bruce Jenner was a “woman” and immediately was warned by someone that he would find out where I worked and let them know that someone “so ignorant and hateful existed” so I’d get fired."

    This is what I mean by illiberal. And it's terrifying. It's one thing to control people's actions ("you can't beat up trannies"), and quite another to control their words. But to me, this is just another face of totalitarianism. Do NRX have something practical and non-totalitarian to offer?

    Personally, I like Scott Alexander's idea of the "archipelago":

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/07/archipelago-and-atomic-communitarianism/

    NRX promotes technofeudalism, so it is authoritarian by nature.

    It offers two solutions from what I can tell:

    1) Secure power. The idea is that virtue signaling is unnecessary if there is secure power in an elite, so if someone still wants to hurt you for being offensive to him and of course, its going to happen, then he is going to appeal to an elite that does have the ability to actually harm you. No need to engage in spiraling insanity to get a mob.

    In that case, at least you know where the shiv is coming from. You need to make nice with the local mob/nobility/etc. and so does your enemy. Its all very human, and its not ideal, but at least its better than having to be subject to a constant jury of invisible commissars.

    2)Exit. NRX often promotes the idea of many independent, small fiefdoms of balkanized power. So while you might not be able to do anything about your local patchlord’s goal to castrate all men and turn all women into nuns for the greater glory of the Sun God, anyone should be able to leave and find someone saner to serve.

    Ideally, it should gradually exhaust the population of the insane ones, and reinforce the population of patches with secure, sane leaders.

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    What's the proposed explanation for what went wrong with liberalism? Arguably it worked fairly well for a while, at least among homogeneous and relatively intelligent populations.

    I'm rather wary of authoritarianism, particularly with respect to family and religious life, as well as with respect to access to information. I don't know of a single example in history of a government that didn't make a bloody mess when trying to regulate such things.

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  125. @Daniel Chieh
    NRX promotes technofeudalism, so it is authoritarian by nature.

    It offers two solutions from what I can tell:

    1) Secure power. The idea is that virtue signaling is unnecessary if there is secure power in an elite, so if someone still wants to hurt you for being offensive to him and of course, its going to happen, then he is going to appeal to an elite that does have the ability to actually harm you. No need to engage in spiraling insanity to get a mob.

    In that case, at least you know where the shiv is coming from. You need to make nice with the local mob/nobility/etc. and so does your enemy. Its all very human, and its not ideal, but at least its better than having to be subject to a constant jury of invisible commissars.

    2)Exit. NRX often promotes the idea of many independent, small fiefdoms of balkanized power. So while you might not be able to do anything about your local patchlord's goal to castrate all men and turn all women into nuns for the greater glory of the Sun God, anyone should be able to leave and find someone saner to serve.

    Ideally, it should gradually exhaust the population of the insane ones, and reinforce the population of patches with secure, sane leaders.

    What’s the proposed explanation for what went wrong with liberalism? Arguably it worked fairly well for a while, at least among homogeneous and relatively intelligent populations.

    I’m rather wary of authoritarianism, particularly with respect to family and religious life, as well as with respect to access to information. I don’t know of a single example in history of a government that didn’t make a bloody mess when trying to regulate such things.

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    The argument is that it never really worked, and indeed democracy really hasn't been true for a long time: Andrew Jackson's capture of the presidency being the last time and instead power has always been centralized instead to gradually shift power from the unstable elected portions of the government to the unelected portions of the government as pretty much an inevitable part of increasing bureaucracy. The elections largely are just smoke and mirrors, horse races that have become so effective that they fool even the actual mass of powerbrokers into thinking that they do anything.

    This keeps things running by preventing democracy from doing its much more natural job of just letting the voters get bribed by benefits and then voting themselves more gimmedats and exploding, but this lack of secure power means that the bureaucracy must constantly build coalitions to maximize political power and has little to do with public welfare. As leftism optimizes for politics, this means that all "democratic" countries ultimately become subject to the Second Law of Conquest and must become leftist.
    , @notanon

    What’s the proposed explanation for what went wrong with liberalism? Arguably it worked fairly well for a while, at least among homogeneous and relatively intelligent populations.
     
    liberalism was initially anchored by science and it was blown off course by the triumph of the anti-science blank slate ideology.

    i think there are two drivers of liberal egalitarianism:

    1) tactical ideology i.e. ideology that suits a particular political faction so an industrial urban faction develops "all men are created equal" as a weapon in a conflict with the conservative ideology of hereditary aristocracy

    and

    2) multi-generational close cousin marriage (the human default) leads to instinctive familial type morality where what is morally "good" behavior is what benefits close kin only retrained by fear of reprisals from other kin groups if caught doing it.

    i think the ban on close cousin marriage in Europe (h/t hbdchick) led slowly over many generations to the development of an alternative more guilt-based and more universalist instinctive morality and for people wired up that way egalitarianism isn't about equality per se it's about fairness (aka a form of utilitarianism which aims to minimize individual harm by sharing it out).

    that desire for fairness-equality combined with science (aka the reality of genetic heredity) led to the only logical conclusion: pre-war liberals were the main supporters of eugenics.

    in the same way that desire for fairness-equality when fed false data i.e. blank slate lysenkoism, led to the only logical conclusion: SJW insanity.

    to my mind this the biggest problem with liberalism (there may be others but they're dwarfed by this imo) - a fairness-equality mindset that's been fed false data.

    (also modern tech means eugenics doesn't have to be blood-thirsty at all as long as people are prepared to be patient so the secondary liberal objection to abandoning the blank slate no longer applies)
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  126. @The Big Red Scary
    What's the proposed explanation for what went wrong with liberalism? Arguably it worked fairly well for a while, at least among homogeneous and relatively intelligent populations.

    I'm rather wary of authoritarianism, particularly with respect to family and religious life, as well as with respect to access to information. I don't know of a single example in history of a government that didn't make a bloody mess when trying to regulate such things.

    The argument is that it never really worked, and indeed democracy really hasn’t been true for a long time: Andrew Jackson’s capture of the presidency being the last time and instead power has always been centralized instead to gradually shift power from the unstable elected portions of the government to the unelected portions of the government as pretty much an inevitable part of increasing bureaucracy. The elections largely are just smoke and mirrors, horse races that have become so effective that they fool even the actual mass of powerbrokers into thinking that they do anything.

    This keeps things running by preventing democracy from doing its much more natural job of just letting the voters get bribed by benefits and then voting themselves more gimmedats and exploding, but this lack of secure power means that the bureaucracy must constantly build coalitions to maximize political power and has little to do with public welfare. As leftism optimizes for politics, this means that all “democratic” countries ultimately become subject to the Second Law of Conquest and must become leftist.

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    Thanks a lot, Dan, for the encouraging words. I am having a hard enough time not becoming completely black-pilled on liberal democracy without reading comments like this.
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  127. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Ukraine comes dead last out of eight in Strong Europe Tank Challenge 2018.

    http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2018/06/09/strong-europe-tank-challenge-2018-final/

    Germanics dominate as usual: Germany #1, Austria #3. Sweden is #2.

    I wonder how Russia would do in this competition. Ukraine's performance is a data point, but they really are probably much worse trained than the others. This is encouraging, in that Ukraine's military recuperation after 2014 may be more modest than I generally assume.

    Last year Ukraine beat Poland.

    Ukraine’s problem this year may have been technical:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/8ptnr6/ukrainian_tankers_took_the_last_place_in_strong/

    I’m not an expert in this field, but this was the reason given:

    Ukrainian tanks have lower height than Abrams, so in one important exercise (defense) they lost all points, because their tanks can’t be used as a height for observing surroundings(nonsense in 21 century). Explanation:

    By the rules participants should drive up a higher artificial ground level, fire two rounds, then drive back to a lower ground level and observe.

    They couldn’t see anything even standing on a tank’s tower, because their tanks have the lowest height – a real advantage in real combat.

    So, it’s the lowest height tank in competition, which is a real advantage in real combat, and they lost points due to that feature.

    Also some technical problems with some system on tanks in the beginning.

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    In 2017 Ukrainian team lost some points because they weren’t trained in shooting with handguns (useless).

    That time Poland was on the last place.(though only 6 teams last year)

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    Was the employment of tank periscopes not permitted?
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    ambrazura is a... Ukrainian patriot, with no apparent military experience; 9A4172 is an officer in the Serbian Army who served during the Yugoslav wars.

    So I would generally privilege the latter's opinion:

    This is literally Tank Tactics 101, I'm sure it's taught even in the Ukrainian army. Firing from a hull down position, then driving back to turret down/defilade and observing, either through commander optics, or with the commander standing on the turret and using his binoculars.

    If they failed to do that, it's because they either failed at precisely positioning the tank, or at choosing the spot from which to do that.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

    A smaller tank is easier to fit into the position, that's an advantage. It's easier to to this in a T-80, than in a Leopard 2, or an Abrams.

    In real combat, the Russians used this tactic when they were kicking the shit out of the Ukrainian army. They call it the carousel: One tank pops up and shoots, drives back, eventually changes position. When it's going back, another pops up to shoot. It's usually done on a platoon level.
     
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  128. @AP
    Last year Ukraine beat Poland.

    Ukraine's problem this year may have been technical:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/8ptnr6/ukrainian_tankers_took_the_last_place_in_strong/

    I'm not an expert in this field, but this was the reason given:

    Ukrainian tanks have lower height than Abrams, so in one important exercise (defense) they lost all points, because their tanks can't be used as a height for observing surroundings(nonsense in 21 century). Explanation:

    By the rules participants should drive up a higher artificial ground level, fire two rounds, then drive back to a lower ground level and observe.

    They couldn't see anything even standing on a tank's tower, because their tanks have the lowest height - a real advantage in real combat.

    So, it's the lowest height tank in competition, which is a real advantage in real combat, and they lost points due to that feature.

    Also some technical problems with some system on tanks in the beginning.

    ::::::::

    In 2017 Ukrainian team lost some points because they weren't trained in shooting with handguns (useless).

    That time Poland was on the last place.(though only 6 teams last year)

    Was the employment of tank periscopes not permitted?

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    Apparently this would have been insufficient..
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  129. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    While I can’t speak with absolute certainty I suspect gypsies would also have been completely eradicated.
     
    Maybe. But Nazi policy towards gypsies seems to be somewhat of a controversial subject; gypsy lobbyists and their academic allies have an obvious interest in claiming that the Nazis were just as genocidal towards gypsies as towards Jews, whereas some Jews and their gentile allies claim this detracts from the "uniqueness" of the Jewish Holocaust. Even the numbers of gypsies killed seem to be uncertain (it was certainly quite a lot, but there doesn't seem to be a universal consensus for the 500 000 often claimed). Tbh I don't care enough about the issue to find out more about it.

    Alright, that might be a fair point, but I don’t like this American victim attitude where Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for no reason
     
    Well, there was the American oil embargo, but I don't think Americans should be faulted for disapproving of Japan's war in China.
    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today? My superficial impression is that the Pacific war isn't emphasized much today in US views of WW2, since it's seen as somewhat politically incorrect.

    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today?

    In terms of being able to quote dates, it is probably the most remembered of the war, followed by a great distance by D-Day, and, I think, an even much greater distance by VE and VJ days. Many people go to Hawaii for vacation – making it the only prominent part of the US that was attacked. Many visit the Arizona memorial, which, I believe, is still releasing little globs of oil.

    Strategically it was not as important as Clarke Air Base in the Philippines, an attack that happened the next day, but nobody remembers that attack, which seems to have been an example of startling incompetence on the part of MacArthur.

    Having said that – it is really quite remarkable how Hollywood has influenced the culture. The Nazis are villains ad naseam. Meanwhile, the word “Jap” (just an abbreviation like “Brit”) is considered an ethnic slur.

    I don’t know if you ever saw the 1984 movie The Karate Kid, but it is a pretty mainstream movie that builds the guilt narrative. I rewatched it a few years ago, and was surprised by how evil one scene struck me: Daniel and Miyagi are at the beach (represented on the movie poster) and two rednecks accost Miyagi for being Japanese in California. Whites are now a minority there. Contrast that, if you watch anything from the ’70s or ’80s taking place in California and practically everyone was white and it seemed so hopeful.

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    if you watch anything from the ’70s or ’80s taking place in California
     
    I remember once having watched American Graffiti by George Lucas which is set in early 1960s California, and iirc had a completely white cast. I found that rather disturbing when one knows what happened later, in a relatively short time.
    Anti-Japanese racism has of course been long a prominent theme in US media, iirc there was even a Hollywood film already back in the 1950s which had evil rednecks murder a Japanese farmer shortly after Pearl Harbor. There was also a similar plotline in the horrible tv series Cold case a few years ago. That series was about unsolved old murder cases and was quite interesting in how it presented the American past: a very large proportion of the episodes dealt with murders out of racism, antisemitism, homophobia or misogyny. It was like seeing in a condensed form how liberals imagine the past.
    , @for-the-record
    Clarke Air Base in the Philippines, an attack that happened the next day

    Techically you're right because of the International Date Line. But in "real" US time both attacks occurred on December 7 (1248 for Pearl Harbor and 2335 for Clark Field in terms of EST, or 0748 and 1835, respectively, Hawaiian time -- assuming I've done the calculations right, that is).
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  130. @AP
    Last year Ukraine beat Poland.

    Ukraine's problem this year may have been technical:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/8ptnr6/ukrainian_tankers_took_the_last_place_in_strong/

    I'm not an expert in this field, but this was the reason given:

    Ukrainian tanks have lower height than Abrams, so in one important exercise (defense) they lost all points, because their tanks can't be used as a height for observing surroundings(nonsense in 21 century). Explanation:

    By the rules participants should drive up a higher artificial ground level, fire two rounds, then drive back to a lower ground level and observe.

    They couldn't see anything even standing on a tank's tower, because their tanks have the lowest height - a real advantage in real combat.

    So, it's the lowest height tank in competition, which is a real advantage in real combat, and they lost points due to that feature.

    Also some technical problems with some system on tanks in the beginning.

    ::::::::

    In 2017 Ukrainian team lost some points because they weren't trained in shooting with handguns (useless).

    That time Poland was on the last place.(though only 6 teams last year)

    ambrazura is a… Ukrainian patriot, with no apparent military experience; 9A4172 is an officer in the Serbian Army who served during the Yugoslav wars.

    So I would generally privilege the latter’s opinion:

    This is literally Tank Tactics 101, I’m sure it’s taught even in the Ukrainian army. Firing from a hull down position, then driving back to turret down/defilade and observing, either through commander optics, or with the commander standing on the turret and using his binoculars.

    If they failed to do that, it’s because they either failed at precisely positioning the tank, or at choosing the spot from which to do that.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

    A smaller tank is easier to fit into the position, that’s an advantage. It’s easier to to this in a T-80, than in a Leopard 2, or an Abrams.

    In real combat, the Russians used this tactic when they were kicking the shit out of the Ukrainian army. They call it the carousel: One tank pops up and shoots, drives back, eventually changes position. When it’s going back, another pops up to shoot. It’s usually done on a platoon level.

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    Maybe. The same issue was brought up here:

    https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?199458-Strong-Europe-Tank-Challenge-2018/page2

    Ukraine’s technical problems are allegedly that the shooting dugouts were made for taller tanks and their vision was impaired.
    , @AP
    I looked at 9A4172 's posts - Serbian nationalist Russian cheerleader, probably not so credible either.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

     

    Supposedly the test settingwas the specific problem, however. Presumably the Serbian officer didn't do that on the test grounds used in this competition.

    According to wiki, the Ukrainian tank was 2.215 meters tall - the others ranged from 2.44 (Abrams) to 3 meters tall (the Leopards). So the course could have been designed in such a way that a particularly short tank would have a problem.

    That having been said - it looks like Ukrainian tanks weren't in working order initially, also, causing large loss of points on the first day, which speaks poorly:

    https://www.facebook.com/bobovnikov/posts/1802333786472677

    Guy was actually more positive on the last day:

    https://www.facebook.com/bobovnikov/videos/1806624886043567/
    , @The Kulak
    "In real combat, the Russians used this tactic when they were kicking the shit out of the Ukrainian army. They call it the carousel: One tank pops up and shoots, drives back, eventually changes position. When it’s going back, another pops up to shoot. It’s usually done on a platoon level." Seems the 'kicking the sh-t out of the Ukrainian Army' had more to do with beyond visual range massed fires than anything else (and the cognitive dissonance between Kiev's propaganda about a supposedly massive Russian Army intervention alongside laughably small UkroWehrmacht KIA/WIA as a result is why I have so much contempt for the Ukrainian agitprop, along with their Maidan snipers all easily slipping away like OJ's real killers).

    A great deal of what the Potomac Foundation's Dr. Phil Karber presentation to West Point cadets from earlier this year is a Ukro-fanfic version of the war. Karber tells a tall tale from his favorite UAF general describing a night march with their T64 armor into the massive breach that had opened in Ukrainian lines in the panic of mid to late August 2014. That was when the heroic Maidan warriors were suddenly whining on Facebook about being abandoned by the high command, as it turned out real war involving getting hit with mortar and artillery/GRAD fire at Ilovaisk was a lot worse than burning some Berkut riot policemen with Molotovs who didn't even have firearms on the Maidan, or slowly surrounding wildly outnumbered adversaries armed almost entirely with small arms and snipers aka Strelkov's merry men with their one self-propelled mortar in Slavyansk (another glorious UAF achievement of arms, along with suicidally holding out day after day in the cellars of the Donetsk Airport as it was shelled and blasted to bits).

    Nonetheless, the parts about Russian electronic warfare and drones dominating the battlefield, at least around Donetsk and Lugansk cities where the GRU 'vacationers' and Zoopark counterbattery radars are more active, seems true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CMby_WPjk4
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  131. @Daniel Chieh
    I think up until 2010 or so, one could still say something like "I'm old-fashioned" and pass inspection. There was some sort of watershed moment after that - either same sex marriage or world war T with Bruce Jenner - after which conservative opinions moved from being unfashionable to being seen as actually evil. "Convergence", basically, happened then and it was no longer possible to hold the line on anything.

    Not only was it now everywhere, as you noted, but you would directly suffer the consequences of your opinions; for me, I clearly remember when I disagreed that Bruce Jenner was a "woman" and immediately was warned by someone that he would find out where I worked and let them know that someone "so ignorant and hateful existed" so I'd get fired.

    The analogy to polluted waters is accurate. I'm planning my exit as well.

    I’m planning my exit as well.

    If it’s not a secret, what does that consist of?

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    Hong Kong is looking better every day. Its also a lot more realistic for me to have a startup in Shenzhen than in the US, and I'm getting a little tired of being a boss but not getting the dividends for it.
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  132. songbird says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    "I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment."

    I had already moved to Russia before Gamergate and probably wouldn't have payed attention anyway.
    But since part of this thread is about historical revisionism, let me give me my completely uninformed version of Gamergate for people to revise:

    Dudes are pissed that some video game magazines have gotten to PC. Some chick develops a game, and her former lover write an article claiming she gets good reviews from her new lover. This chick gets death and rape threats from crazy dudes and her address is made public, so she actually has legitimate reason to worry. Media blames all white men, not just the crazy dudes.

    Conclusion: Twitter is even more damaging to the social fabric than drugs, sex, and rock and roll.

    I believe that Twitter indeed has a negative influence, especially in the way it seems to create pressures on corporations, but, honestly, though some say otherwise, I think the internet in general has had a very negative effect on politics because it magnifies the power of virtue signaling and brings a lot of super-crazies together.

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  133. @songbird

    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today?
     
    In terms of being able to quote dates, it is probably the most remembered of the war, followed by a great distance by D-Day, and, I think, an even much greater distance by VE and VJ days. Many people go to Hawaii for vacation - making it the only prominent part of the US that was attacked. Many visit the Arizona memorial, which, I believe, is still releasing little globs of oil.

    Strategically it was not as important as Clarke Air Base in the Philippines, an attack that happened the next day, but nobody remembers that attack, which seems to have been an example of startling incompetence on the part of MacArthur.

    Having said that - it is really quite remarkable how Hollywood has influenced the culture. The Nazis are villains ad naseam. Meanwhile, the word "Jap" (just an abbreviation like "Brit") is considered an ethnic slur.

    I don't know if you ever saw the 1984 movie The Karate Kid, but it is a pretty mainstream movie that builds the guilt narrative. I rewatched it a few years ago, and was surprised by how evil one scene struck me: Daniel and Miyagi are at the beach (represented on the movie poster) and two rednecks accost Miyagi for being Japanese in California. Whites are now a minority there. Contrast that, if you watch anything from the '70s or '80s taking place in California and practically everyone was white and it seemed so hopeful.

    if you watch anything from the ’70s or ’80s taking place in California

    I remember once having watched American Graffiti by George Lucas which is set in early 1960s California, and iirc had a completely white cast. I found that rather disturbing when one knows what happened later, in a relatively short time.
    Anti-Japanese racism has of course been long a prominent theme in US media, iirc there was even a Hollywood film already back in the 1950s which had evil rednecks murder a Japanese farmer shortly after Pearl Harbor. There was also a similar plotline in the horrible tv series Cold case a few years ago. That series was about unsolved old murder cases and was quite interesting in how it presented the American past: a very large proportion of the episodes dealt with murders out of racism, antisemitism, homophobia or misogyny. It was like seeing in a condensed form how liberals imagine the past.

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    Anti-Japanese racism has of course been long a prominent theme in US media, iirc there was even a Hollywood film already back in the 1950s which had evil rednecks murder a Japanese farmer shortly after Pearl Harbor.

     

    It's fine to admire America and American achievement (I'm a fan of America as well), but I don't think we gullibly believe their self-ideology about how moral and justice they are (this is something Americans tell themselves for their internal consumption), and in particular in relation to Japan and the Japanese.

    In relation to Japan - in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture than the Americans themselves, and the situation was not one in which either side (either Americans or Japanese) had got completely 'clean hands'. America has committed a few crimes within itself (internment camps of Japanese Americans), and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.

    For an American to believe it was perfect, it's probably a sign of health. But non-Americans are not obligated to take a completely one-sided view on here.

    -


    Putin has shown a bit more realistic view on it - from 20:00 with the voiceover

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33oIF-ggK5U

    , @Bliss

    That series was about unsolved old murder cases and was quite interesting in how it presented the American past: a very large proportion of the episodes dealt with murders out of racism, antisemitism, homophobia or misogyny. It was like seeing in a condensed form how liberals imagine the past
     
    .

    What do you mean “imagine the past”? That’s the growing reality of the present as well, much to the glee of your ilk.

    Isn’t that what “red pilling” is all about?
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  134. AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Was the employment of tank periscopes not permitted?

    Apparently this would have been insufficient..

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  135. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    ambrazura is a... Ukrainian patriot, with no apparent military experience; 9A4172 is an officer in the Serbian Army who served during the Yugoslav wars.

    So I would generally privilege the latter's opinion:

    This is literally Tank Tactics 101, I'm sure it's taught even in the Ukrainian army. Firing from a hull down position, then driving back to turret down/defilade and observing, either through commander optics, or with the commander standing on the turret and using his binoculars.

    If they failed to do that, it's because they either failed at precisely positioning the tank, or at choosing the spot from which to do that.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

    A smaller tank is easier to fit into the position, that's an advantage. It's easier to to this in a T-80, than in a Leopard 2, or an Abrams.

    In real combat, the Russians used this tactic when they were kicking the shit out of the Ukrainian army. They call it the carousel: One tank pops up and shoots, drives back, eventually changes position. When it's going back, another pops up to shoot. It's usually done on a platoon level.
     

    Maybe. The same issue was brought up here:

    https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?199458-Strong-Europe-Tank-Challenge-2018/page2

    Ukraine’s technical problems are allegedly that the shooting dugouts were made for taller tanks and their vision was impaired.

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  136. @Anatoly Karlin

    I’m planning my exit as well.
     
    If it's not a secret, what does that consist of?

    Hong Kong is looking better every day. Its also a lot more realistic for me to have a startup in Shenzhen than in the US, and I’m getting a little tired of being a boss but not getting the dividends for it.

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  137. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    if you watch anything from the ’70s or ’80s taking place in California
     
    I remember once having watched American Graffiti by George Lucas which is set in early 1960s California, and iirc had a completely white cast. I found that rather disturbing when one knows what happened later, in a relatively short time.
    Anti-Japanese racism has of course been long a prominent theme in US media, iirc there was even a Hollywood film already back in the 1950s which had evil rednecks murder a Japanese farmer shortly after Pearl Harbor. There was also a similar plotline in the horrible tv series Cold case a few years ago. That series was about unsolved old murder cases and was quite interesting in how it presented the American past: a very large proportion of the episodes dealt with murders out of racism, antisemitism, homophobia or misogyny. It was like seeing in a condensed form how liberals imagine the past.

    Anti-Japanese racism has of course been long a prominent theme in US media, iirc there was even a Hollywood film already back in the 1950s which had evil rednecks murder a Japanese farmer shortly after Pearl Harbor.

    It’s fine to admire America and American achievement (I’m a fan of America as well), but I don’t think we gullibly believe their self-ideology about how moral and justice they are (this is something Americans tell themselves for their internal consumption), and in particular in relation to Japan and the Japanese.

    In relation to Japan – in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture than the Americans themselves, and the situation was not one in which either side (either Americans or Japanese) had got completely ‘clean hands’. America has committed a few crimes within itself (internment camps of Japanese Americans), and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.

    For an American to believe it was perfect, it’s probably a sign of health. But non-Americans are not obligated to take a completely one-sided view on here.

    -

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    ... and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.
     
    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.

    It also saved the lives of 10,000's Soviet servicemen and prevented the creation of the Hokkaido SSR, which would have gotten independent eventually anyway to zero benefit to Russia.

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.
    , @German_reader

    in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture
     
    WW2 Japanese weren't especially civilized and committed plenty of atrocities. The war in the Pacific had elements of a race war not least because of the absolutely appalling behaviour of the Japanese towards prisoners and subjected populations.
    American reactions can certainly be seen as rather excessive (as they often are), burning 100 000 civilians in Tokyo in a single night was pretty extreme. But the Japanese had given Americans plenty of reasons for hate with the Bataan death march and numerous other war crimes.
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  138. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    ambrazura is a... Ukrainian patriot, with no apparent military experience; 9A4172 is an officer in the Serbian Army who served during the Yugoslav wars.

    So I would generally privilege the latter's opinion:

    This is literally Tank Tactics 101, I'm sure it's taught even in the Ukrainian army. Firing from a hull down position, then driving back to turret down/defilade and observing, either through commander optics, or with the commander standing on the turret and using his binoculars.

    If they failed to do that, it's because they either failed at precisely positioning the tank, or at choosing the spot from which to do that.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

    A smaller tank is easier to fit into the position, that's an advantage. It's easier to to this in a T-80, than in a Leopard 2, or an Abrams.

    In real combat, the Russians used this tactic when they were kicking the shit out of the Ukrainian army. They call it the carousel: One tank pops up and shoots, drives back, eventually changes position. When it's going back, another pops up to shoot. It's usually done on a platoon level.
     

    I looked at 9A4172 ‘s posts – Serbian nationalist Russian cheerleader, probably not so credible either.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

    Supposedly the test settingwas the specific problem, however. Presumably the Serbian officer didn’t do that on the test grounds used in this competition.

    According to wiki, the Ukrainian tank was 2.215 meters tall – the others ranged from 2.44 (Abrams) to 3 meters tall (the Leopards). So the course could have been designed in such a way that a particularly short tank would have a problem.

    That having been said – it looks like Ukrainian tanks weren’t in working order initially, also, causing large loss of points on the first day, which speaks poorly:

    https://www.facebook.com/bobovnikov/posts/1802333786472677

    Guy was actually more positive on the last day:

    https://www.facebook.com/bobovnikov/videos/1806624886043567/

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  139. Apparently Germany is still waiting for evidence in the Skripal case:

    https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/skripal-159.html

    One can only hope that in the case of starting WW3, they’d be a bit more cautious and acting first, asking questions later is only their approach when only diplomats expulsions or lower level sanctions are involved.

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    one of the things about having a country covertly ruled by the banking mafia is they like to have stupid politicians as their puppets - hence the UK govt being such a joke
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  140. @Dmitry

    Anti-Japanese racism has of course been long a prominent theme in US media, iirc there was even a Hollywood film already back in the 1950s which had evil rednecks murder a Japanese farmer shortly after Pearl Harbor.

     

    It's fine to admire America and American achievement (I'm a fan of America as well), but I don't think we gullibly believe their self-ideology about how moral and justice they are (this is something Americans tell themselves for their internal consumption), and in particular in relation to Japan and the Japanese.

    In relation to Japan - in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture than the Americans themselves, and the situation was not one in which either side (either Americans or Japanese) had got completely 'clean hands'. America has committed a few crimes within itself (internment camps of Japanese Americans), and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.

    For an American to believe it was perfect, it's probably a sign of health. But non-Americans are not obligated to take a completely one-sided view on here.

    -


    Putin has shown a bit more realistic view on it - from 20:00 with the voiceover

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33oIF-ggK5U

    … and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.

    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.

    It also saved the lives of 10,000′s Soviet servicemen and prevented the creation of the Hokkaido SSR, which would have gotten independent eventually anyway to zero benefit to Russia.

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.

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    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.
     
    When people are caught up in the midst of a war they get hard-minded so I don't blame the people who did it but I think it would have been better if they'd nuked some little nearby island first as a warning shot.
    , @Jon0815

    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.
     
    Were North Koreans 50x tougher than Japanese? During the Korean War, North Korea didn't capitulate after losing 20% of its population to US conventional bombing, vs. Japan's loss of less than 1% of its population to the atomic bombings (and Japan didn't consider surrender after losing more people in the March 9 firebombing of Tokyo, than it did at Nagasaki).

    Although at the time it was in the interests of both the USA and Japan to pretend otherwise, in reality the primary factor in Japan's surrender was the Soviet declaration of war and swift victory in Manchuria (a side effect of the myth that the atom bomb deserves the credit, which I find particularly annoying, is the existence of all the silly alternate history stories where Hitler conquers the USA just by nuking New York and DC).

    The primary obstacle to Japan's surrender, seems to have been that the USA refused to explicitly promise to let the Japanese keep their Emperor. If so, then the atom bombings could have been avoided simply by the USA agreeing beforehand to do what it did afterwards anyway. And while the American position on the Emperor's postwar status was publicly unstated, the Soviets would certainly have had him shot, so to the Japanese an American occupation was clearly preferable to a Soviet one.

    Even if the Japanese had waited to surrender until the Soviets were actually landing on Hokkaido, that still would have happened before the end of 1945, and quite possibly before the US invasion of southern Japan began in November.

    It also saved the lives of 10,000′s Soviet servicemen and prevented the creation of the Hokkaido SSR, which would have gotten independent eventually anyway to zero benefit to Russia.
     
    Maybe, assuming that during the months before the Hokkaido landings, the increasing imminence of a Soviet invasion did not cause the USA to drop its insistence on an unconditional surrender, or the Japanese did not to agree to surrender without a public US commitment to keep the Emperor.

    But 10,000′s wouldn't even be a rounding error in the context of overall Soviet WWII losses, and the existence of a Hokkaido SSR (or North Japan satellite state) would have so unpredictably scrambled post-WWII history, that it's impossible to say whether Russia today would be significantly better or worse off as a result.

    Anyway, it is still both morally correct and in the self-interest of Russian nationalists to condemn war atrocities committed by the USA, regardless of whether those atrocities were incidentally beneficial to Russia (which in this case is unclear).


    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.
     
    I think it's strange that a Russian nationalist thinks its a good idea for Russians to join neocons and 'Murica types in being Hiroshima apologists, thereby relinquishing a good talking point with which to hit back at the USA for its hypocrisy, when it attacks Russia for civilian deaths in Aleppo or wherever.

    I suppose the explanation is some combination of runaway atomophilia, and ideological tribalism (liberal cucks condemn the deliberate mass murder of 100,000s of Japanese women and children, therefore non-liberal cucks must embrace it).
    , @Dmitry

    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.
     
    This is the issue. It isn't supported by historical detail (Japan was trying to surrender at the time, already defeated economically, bombs used on population centres, and the use of second plutonium weapon on Nagasaki three days later, before the impact of the first bomb was understood - simply a desperate American warcrime).

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.
     

    I would say a moral difference on issue of targeting specifically a civilian population with weapons of mass destruction (an action Russia has never taken/will never take).

    I agree with your view if it that the 'calling American hypocrisy' game is tedious and can be boring. I also would agree that actions of 1940s (by a leadership which has died decades ago), are not some tool for criticizing current American actions. But the actual actions of August 1945, were - nonetheless- unacceptable actions.

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  141. notanon says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Haha. I'll say its something akin to this, though I'm actually from the NRX pipeline:

    Some chick writes a terrible game. Guys review it and mock it as a terrible game, but is given good reviews due to sympathetic lover. Gamers, already annoyed at earlier abuses, turn heavily on the woman and magazines in general for this form of abuse; they all get bashed by professional feminist agitators who disliked nerds as icky anyway.

    Unlike before, though, the nerds fight back both by licit and less licit means. Realizing that they may have actually found opposition, the feminists throw everything at them and proceed to recruit intersectionalists allies. Media runs with it and finds white knights, and a convenient excuse to further converge everything.

    At the end of the day, the gamers get pissed but the companies have mostly been bashed into submission. The rest is a spoils fight between feminists and their insectionalists allies. Subsequent games are pretty terrible.

    Japan continues to make games with goth lolitas with lacy panties.

    Glory to the Rising Sun.


    IIRC it didn't have a racial component, though gamers are overwhelmingly white or East Asian and male. KotakuInAction, basically the GamersGate hub, wasn't even that "male" in attitude; like they never seemed to voice an opinion on female enfranchisement or anything like that. They just wanted to continue to play video games, or have feminine girls in video games; all they wanted to do was escape. They got instead turned into lambs for a political spoils fight, only they weren't so lamb-like in response.

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  142. The new Italian government is off to a flying start. Salvini, as interior minister, is already BTFO’ing the “human rights NGOs” a.k.a. people smugglers.

    Aquarius, the ship belonging to a German – who else? – NGO which is specialising in bringing migrants to Italy was denied port access to Italy after it had picked up 620-odd migrants, most of whom are military-age men, and set sail for Napoli. For years we had heard this was impossible because ‘muh human rights’.

    Now it is going around in circles in the Mediterranean last time I checked. We’ll see what happens. Some have raised the possibility of dumping the migrants on Malta, which would be hilarious, since Malta was virtue-signalling for years in the aftermath of the crisis, plus the fact that they have become another tax-haven á la Luxembourg, which gave them a snobby outlook vs those uncouth Italians.

    Last week there was a meeting of interior ministers of the EU in Brussels and as usual we and the Hungarians voted against the quotas, but this time Salvini joined us. Italy had of course been the loudest voice in the room for “solidarity”. I hope Salvini destroys his competition and becomes the dominant new figure on the Italian political landscape.

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  143. Some enterprising soul over at /r/Europe had put together a map of real per capita GDP growth from 1989 until 2016, which matches the fall of the USSR perfectly. The database is the venerable Maddison 2018 version.

    Two points. First, Ireland’s growth is overstated due to massive corporate inversions. Malta has, as I noted before, transformed itself to another tax haven. Just like the Irish. The real stand-out star among the developed Western (in reddish color) is arguably Sweden.

    Among the EE countries (blueish color) it isn’t Poland but in fact Slovakia which has done the best. This is because they started richer than us by around 20% and have almost matched out growth speed, which is why they are significantly above us now, too.

    Croatia is a dumpster fire, though war in the 1990s didn’t help. Hungary’s economic record is, as I have pointed out, quite poor in periods when Orban wasn’t ruling though he has done a lot of good work since he regained office in 2010. Italy remains an economic tragedy.

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    I don't think it is fair to call Ireland a tax haven. It is not a collection of P.O. boxes paired with forwarding addresses. There are literally tens of thousands of jobs created by having lower tax rates. While it is true that the HQ of those companies are not there based strictly on the Irish domestic market, it's not like that tax money would have been doing good in Germany or France or the UK. It would have been a warchest for migrants.

    Year on year European growth is, particularly in West, anemic. I don't think it is a healthy sign, at all, but, of course, there is more to society than just the economy. But I think it is one of the the pseudo justifications for importing migrants.
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  144. notanon says:
    @reiner Tor
    Apparently Germany is still waiting for evidence in the Skripal case:

    https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/skripal-159.html

    One can only hope that in the case of starting WW3, they'd be a bit more cautious and acting first, asking questions later is only their approach when only diplomats expulsions or lower level sanctions are involved.

    one of the things about having a country covertly ruled by the banking mafia is they like to have stupid politicians as their puppets – hence the UK govt being such a joke

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  145. notanon says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ... and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.
     
    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.

    It also saved the lives of 10,000's Soviet servicemen and prevented the creation of the Hokkaido SSR, which would have gotten independent eventually anyway to zero benefit to Russia.

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.

    When people are caught up in the midst of a war they get hard-minded so I don’t blame the people who did it but I think it would have been better if they’d nuked some little nearby island first as a warning shot.

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  146. notanon says:
    @Polish Perspective
    The new Italian government is off to a flying start. Salvini, as interior minister, is already BTFO'ing the "human rights NGOs" a.k.a. people smugglers.

    Aquarius, the ship belonging to a German - who else? - NGO which is specialising in bringing migrants to Italy was denied port access to Italy after it had picked up 620-odd migrants, most of whom are military-age men, and set sail for Napoli. For years we had heard this was impossible because 'muh human rights'.

    Now it is going around in circles in the Mediterranean last time I checked. We'll see what happens. Some have raised the possibility of dumping the migrants on Malta, which would be hilarious, since Malta was virtue-signalling for years in the aftermath of the crisis, plus the fact that they have become another tax-haven á la Luxembourg, which gave them a snobby outlook vs those uncouth Italians.

    Last week there was a meeting of interior ministers of the EU in Brussels and as usual we and the Hungarians voted against the quotas, but this time Salvini joined us. Italy had of course been the loudest voice in the room for "solidarity". I hope Salvini destroys his competition and becomes the dominant new figure on the Italian political landscape.

    they should requisition and then scuttle the ships

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  147. songbird says:
    @Polish Perspective
    Some enterprising soul over at /r/Europe had put together a map of real per capita GDP growth from 1989 until 2016, which matches the fall of the USSR perfectly. The database is the venerable Maddison 2018 version.

    https://i.redd.it/puoyn3g0fb311.jpg

    Two points. First, Ireland's growth is overstated due to massive corporate inversions. Malta has, as I noted before, transformed itself to another tax haven. Just like the Irish. The real stand-out star among the developed Western (in reddish color) is arguably Sweden.

    Among the EE countries (blueish color) it isn't Poland but in fact Slovakia which has done the best. This is because they started richer than us by around 20% and have almost matched out growth speed, which is why they are significantly above us now, too.

    Croatia is a dumpster fire, though war in the 1990s didn't help. Hungary's economic record is, as I have pointed out, quite poor in periods when Orban wasn't ruling though he has done a lot of good work since he regained office in 2010. Italy remains an economic tragedy.

    I don’t think it is fair to call Ireland a tax haven. It is not a collection of P.O. boxes paired with forwarding addresses. There are literally tens of thousands of jobs created by having lower tax rates. While it is true that the HQ of those companies are not there based strictly on the Irish domestic market, it’s not like that tax money would have been doing good in Germany or France or the UK. It would have been a warchest for migrants.

    Year on year European growth is, particularly in West, anemic. I don’t think it is a healthy sign, at all, but, of course, there is more to society than just the economy. But I think it is one of the the pseudo justifications for importing migrants.

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    Industry is also around one-third of Irish GDP, this in a country with no significant mining (which counts as industry). Low corporate taxes facilitated greenfield manufacturing investments by MNCs.

    There's no particular need to tax corporate income other than for pass-through entities, because you can simply tax wages and dividends instead (and consumption for that matter--which all EU countries do brutally). Share buybacks are a loophole here I suppose, but one easily closed.

    Other countries are simply unwilling to adjust their tax structure as aggressively as the Irish did.

    If one wants high taxes on corporate income for whatever reason then that requires a more closed economy (capital controls, tariffs) or an international treaty.
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  148. notanon says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    What's the proposed explanation for what went wrong with liberalism? Arguably it worked fairly well for a while, at least among homogeneous and relatively intelligent populations.

    I'm rather wary of authoritarianism, particularly with respect to family and religious life, as well as with respect to access to information. I don't know of a single example in history of a government that didn't make a bloody mess when trying to regulate such things.

    What’s the proposed explanation for what went wrong with liberalism? Arguably it worked fairly well for a while, at least among homogeneous and relatively intelligent populations.

    liberalism was initially anchored by science and it was blown off course by the triumph of the anti-science blank slate ideology.

    i think there are two drivers of liberal egalitarianism:

    1) tactical ideology i.e. ideology that suits a particular political faction so an industrial urban faction develops “all men are created equal” as a weapon in a conflict with the conservative ideology of hereditary aristocracy

    and

    2) multi-generational close cousin marriage (the human default) leads to instinctive familial type morality where what is morally “good” behavior is what benefits close kin only retrained by fear of reprisals from other kin groups if caught doing it.

    i think the ban on close cousin marriage in Europe (h/t hbdchick) led slowly over many generations to the development of an alternative more guilt-based and more universalist instinctive morality and for people wired up that way egalitarianism isn’t about equality per se it’s about fairness (aka a form of utilitarianism which aims to minimize individual harm by sharing it out).

    that desire for fairness-equality combined with science (aka the reality of genetic heredity) led to the only logical conclusion: pre-war liberals were the main supporters of eugenics.

    in the same way that desire for fairness-equality when fed false data i.e. blank slate lysenkoism, led to the only logical conclusion: SJW insanity.

    to my mind this the biggest problem with liberalism (there may be others but they’re dwarfed by this imo) – a fairness-equality mindset that’s been fed false data.

    (also modern tech means eugenics doesn’t have to be blood-thirsty at all as long as people are prepared to be patient so the secondary liberal objection to abandoning the blank slate no longer applies)

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    liberalism was initially anchored by science and it was blown off course by the triumph of the anti-science blank slate ideology.
     
    Liberalism was rotten from the very beginning. What exactly is scientific about The Rights of Man?

    It only took a few decades after the American Revolution for the first forms of SJW insanity to appear (abolitionism, free love, feminism), and of course the French didn't wait that long.

    As soon as the term "equality" appears in any context other than being judged by God (and perhaps the law in a fair trial), you're headed for trouble.
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  149. @songbird
    I don't think it is fair to call Ireland a tax haven. It is not a collection of P.O. boxes paired with forwarding addresses. There are literally tens of thousands of jobs created by having lower tax rates. While it is true that the HQ of those companies are not there based strictly on the Irish domestic market, it's not like that tax money would have been doing good in Germany or France or the UK. It would have been a warchest for migrants.

    Year on year European growth is, particularly in West, anemic. I don't think it is a healthy sign, at all, but, of course, there is more to society than just the economy. But I think it is one of the the pseudo justifications for importing migrants.

    Industry is also around one-third of Irish GDP, this in a country with no significant mining (which counts as industry). Low corporate taxes facilitated greenfield manufacturing investments by MNCs.

    There’s no particular need to tax corporate income other than for pass-through entities, because you can simply tax wages and dividends instead (and consumption for that matter–which all EU countries do brutally). Share buybacks are a loophole here I suppose, but one easily closed.

    Other countries are simply unwilling to adjust their tax structure as aggressively as the Irish did.

    If one wants high taxes on corporate income for whatever reason then that requires a more closed economy (capital controls, tariffs) or an international treaty.

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    Ireland certainly has a decent economy, but the EU has an interesting alternative measurement of well-being called Actual Individual Consumption which aims to measure the individual material welfare as closely as possible. Ireland is at 96 (100 is the EU median). I haven't been to Ireland but I know someone who lives in Finland and who has and he basically said there was no real tangible difference despite Ireland being significantly richer on paper.

    Even the Irish themselves have understood the issue and they are now using a GNI* methodology, which stands for modified Gross National Income. It aims to remove some of the problems with the usual GDP methodology, though the jury is still out how well it will do. Even according to this measurement, they still grew close to 19% in 2015 when all the corporate inversions happened. For a developed economy, that is just implausible and bonkers.


    Other countries are simply unwilling to adjust their tax structure as aggressively as the Irish did.
     
    Spoken like a true tax cheat :)

    Incidientally, the Irish aren't even the worst offenders. Juncker himself was knee-deep in tax avoidance schemes in his native Luxembourg. This is why I always roll my eyes when the EU is "going to get tough on the US internet companies".

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  150. @notanon

    What’s the proposed explanation for what went wrong with liberalism? Arguably it worked fairly well for a while, at least among homogeneous and relatively intelligent populations.
     
    liberalism was initially anchored by science and it was blown off course by the triumph of the anti-science blank slate ideology.

    i think there are two drivers of liberal egalitarianism:

    1) tactical ideology i.e. ideology that suits a particular political faction so an industrial urban faction develops "all men are created equal" as a weapon in a conflict with the conservative ideology of hereditary aristocracy

    and

    2) multi-generational close cousin marriage (the human default) leads to instinctive familial type morality where what is morally "good" behavior is what benefits close kin only retrained by fear of reprisals from other kin groups if caught doing it.

    i think the ban on close cousin marriage in Europe (h/t hbdchick) led slowly over many generations to the development of an alternative more guilt-based and more universalist instinctive morality and for people wired up that way egalitarianism isn't about equality per se it's about fairness (aka a form of utilitarianism which aims to minimize individual harm by sharing it out).

    that desire for fairness-equality combined with science (aka the reality of genetic heredity) led to the only logical conclusion: pre-war liberals were the main supporters of eugenics.

    in the same way that desire for fairness-equality when fed false data i.e. blank slate lysenkoism, led to the only logical conclusion: SJW insanity.

    to my mind this the biggest problem with liberalism (there may be others but they're dwarfed by this imo) - a fairness-equality mindset that's been fed false data.

    (also modern tech means eugenics doesn't have to be blood-thirsty at all as long as people are prepared to be patient so the secondary liberal objection to abandoning the blank slate no longer applies)

    liberalism was initially anchored by science and it was blown off course by the triumph of the anti-science blank slate ideology.

    Liberalism was rotten from the very beginning. What exactly is scientific about The Rights of Man?

    It only took a few decades after the American Revolution for the first forms of SJW insanity to appear (abolitionism, free love, feminism), and of course the French didn’t wait that long.

    As soon as the term “equality” appears in any context other than being judged by God (and perhaps the law in a fair trial), you’re headed for trouble.

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    i'll put it another way - whether or not equality as a principle is a good idea:

    egalitarianism + blank slate -> sjw insanity

    egalitarianism + heredity -> eugenics

    as proved by pre-war liberals being the biggest proponents of eugenics.

    so whether a person believes liberalism went from good to bad or from already bad to even worse it was blank slate ideology which drove that change.
    , @DFH

    Liberalism was rotten from the very beginning. What exactly is scientific about The Rights of Man?
     
    'Liberalism' is too vague to make a definitive statement on tbh.

    http://www.moneta-coins.com/photopost/data/664/UK_USA_Paine.jpg
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  151. notanon says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    liberalism was initially anchored by science and it was blown off course by the triumph of the anti-science blank slate ideology.
     
    Liberalism was rotten from the very beginning. What exactly is scientific about The Rights of Man?

    It only took a few decades after the American Revolution for the first forms of SJW insanity to appear (abolitionism, free love, feminism), and of course the French didn't wait that long.

    As soon as the term "equality" appears in any context other than being judged by God (and perhaps the law in a fair trial), you're headed for trouble.

    i’ll put it another way – whether or not equality as a principle is a good idea:

    egalitarianism + blank slate -> sjw insanity

    egalitarianism + heredity -> eugenics

    as proved by pre-war liberals being the biggest proponents of eugenics.

    so whether a person believes liberalism went from good to bad or from already bad to even worse it was blank slate ideology which drove that change.

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  152. @Dmitry

    Anti-Japanese racism has of course been long a prominent theme in US media, iirc there was even a Hollywood film already back in the 1950s which had evil rednecks murder a Japanese farmer shortly after Pearl Harbor.

     

    It's fine to admire America and American achievement (I'm a fan of America as well), but I don't think we gullibly believe their self-ideology about how moral and justice they are (this is something Americans tell themselves for their internal consumption), and in particular in relation to Japan and the Japanese.

    In relation to Japan - in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture than the Americans themselves, and the situation was not one in which either side (either Americans or Japanese) had got completely 'clean hands'. America has committed a few crimes within itself (internment camps of Japanese Americans), and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.

    For an American to believe it was perfect, it's probably a sign of health. But non-Americans are not obligated to take a completely one-sided view on here.

    -


    Putin has shown a bit more realistic view on it - from 20:00 with the voiceover

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33oIF-ggK5U

    in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture

    WW2 Japanese weren’t especially civilized and committed plenty of atrocities. The war in the Pacific had elements of a race war not least because of the absolutely appalling behaviour of the Japanese towards prisoners and subjected populations.
    American reactions can certainly be seen as rather excessive (as they often are), burning 100 000 civilians in Tokyo in a single night was pretty extreme. But the Japanese had given Americans plenty of reasons for hate with the Bataan death march and numerous other war crimes.

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    The natives helped rescue American pilots that were shot down. They did not help rescue the Japanese because of their experiences with the Japanese - when possible, they usually killed them.

    The Japanese interned more Dutch civilians than Americans interned Japanese.
    , @Dmitry
    It's fair point, that the Japanese military has committed warcrimes against Chinese population during this era.

    It is true, the fact of the civilization level of the country itself, is irrelevant to that (Germany is "the land of poets and thinkers" - but they had in the same era been sadly hijacked by the most evil government).

    But there is also no justification to use weapons of mass destruction on unrelated civilian populations, who are innocent of the crimes committed by the military leadership.

    Is there a connection to use a nuclear weapon on American city e.g. of Denver, - because of warcrimes of some soldiers in Mỹ Lai Massacre?

    And there is no justification of imprisonment of Japanese Americans for crimes committed by the military leadership of a country they had emigrated from years earlier. The Japanese Americans were the most loyal and patriotic population group in America, if go by the most medals proportionally for bravery during WW2.

    In this context, it is the same as the American rednecks had imprisoned the German Americans. Indeed, I believe there had been racism against German Americans during this period, but no imprisonment.

    You can be an America fan, without supporting this most stupid, extremist or criminal aspects in their history.

    , @Bliss

    The war in the Pacific had elements of a race war not least because of the absolutely appalling behaviour of the Japanese
     
    No wonder their biggest fans are the guys who are always fantasizing about race wars: Stormfronters and their ilk.

    However, the biggest victims of Japanese atrocities were other asians, especially the Chinese. So, not really a race war in the broad meaning of the word. Though it had elements of it.
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  153. @Talha
    It begins...

    “Austria is closing seven mosques and could expel dozens of imams from the country, the government has announced.”
    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/06/austria-shut-7-mosques-expel-dozens-imams-180608074940766.html

    And I’ll take my responses off the air...

    Peace.

    Don’t worry, Talha, as long as Austrians keep not having kids and Muslims there keep having several kids per woman, the country will turn Muslim anyway. Then they can reopen whatever mosques and hire whatever imams they want.

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    In substance, it is not much different from the Burqa ban. Anything that doesn't acknowledge demographic trends and actually takes steps to change them is just a distraction.
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  154. DFH says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    liberalism was initially anchored by science and it was blown off course by the triumph of the anti-science blank slate ideology.
     
    Liberalism was rotten from the very beginning. What exactly is scientific about The Rights of Man?

    It only took a few decades after the American Revolution for the first forms of SJW insanity to appear (abolitionism, free love, feminism), and of course the French didn't wait that long.

    As soon as the term "equality" appears in any context other than being judged by God (and perhaps the law in a fair trial), you're headed for trouble.

    Liberalism was rotten from the very beginning. What exactly is scientific about The Rights of Man?

    ‘Liberalism’ is too vague to make a definitive statement on tbh.

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  155. iffen says:
    @The Big Red Scary
    "I think Gamersgate was very much a watershed moment."

    I had already moved to Russia before Gamergate and probably wouldn't have payed attention anyway.
    But since part of this thread is about historical revisionism, let me give me my completely uninformed version of Gamergate for people to revise:

    Dudes are pissed that some video game magazines have gotten to PC. Some chick develops a game, and her former lover write an article claiming she gets good reviews from her new lover. This chick gets death and rape threats from crazy dudes and her address is made public, so she actually has legitimate reason to worry. Media blames all white men, not just the crazy dudes.

    Conclusion: Twitter is even more damaging to the social fabric than drugs, sex, and rock and roll.

    Conclusion: Twitter is even more damaging to the social fabric than drugs, sex, and rock and roll.

    I have resisted getting a Twitter account, but since you put it this way …

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  156. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    The argument is that it never really worked, and indeed democracy really hasn't been true for a long time: Andrew Jackson's capture of the presidency being the last time and instead power has always been centralized instead to gradually shift power from the unstable elected portions of the government to the unelected portions of the government as pretty much an inevitable part of increasing bureaucracy. The elections largely are just smoke and mirrors, horse races that have become so effective that they fool even the actual mass of powerbrokers into thinking that they do anything.

    This keeps things running by preventing democracy from doing its much more natural job of just letting the voters get bribed by benefits and then voting themselves more gimmedats and exploding, but this lack of secure power means that the bureaucracy must constantly build coalitions to maximize political power and has little to do with public welfare. As leftism optimizes for politics, this means that all "democratic" countries ultimately become subject to the Second Law of Conquest and must become leftist.

    Thanks a lot, Dan, for the encouraging words. I am having a hard enough time not becoming completely black-pilled on liberal democracy without reading comments like this.

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    Don't resist, just let go. Once you acknowledge the despicableness of the curent system it is a lot easier to mentally accept the coming of the new system.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    We will drown and no one will save us.
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  157. @iffen
    Thanks a lot, Dan, for the encouraging words. I am having a hard enough time not becoming completely black-pilled on liberal democracy without reading comments like this.

    Don’t resist, just let go. Once you acknowledge the despicableness of the curent system it is a lot easier to mentally accept the coming of the new system.

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  158. http://www.dw.com/en/spain-will-accept-migrant-ship-aquarius-after-italy-and-malta-refuse-entry/a-44150793

    Damn, my favourite Southern European nation blinked and cucked themselves. Salvini had staked so much on the line that he couldn’t be seen as backing down, he had been tweeting about it relentlessly. If he had folded, his base would have concluded he was all talk and no action.

    Best /r/Europe comment:

    Rest of the EU: “Spain is one of the only EU country where no far right party has surged”

    Spain “Hold my cerveza”

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  159. @iffen
    Thanks a lot, Dan, for the encouraging words. I am having a hard enough time not becoming completely black-pilled on liberal democracy without reading comments like this.

    We will drown and no one will save us.

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    We will drown and no one will save us.

    Maybe they don't know how to swim either.
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  160. @Thorfinnsson
    Industry is also around one-third of Irish GDP, this in a country with no significant mining (which counts as industry). Low corporate taxes facilitated greenfield manufacturing investments by MNCs.

    There's no particular need to tax corporate income other than for pass-through entities, because you can simply tax wages and dividends instead (and consumption for that matter--which all EU countries do brutally). Share buybacks are a loophole here I suppose, but one easily closed.

    Other countries are simply unwilling to adjust their tax structure as aggressively as the Irish did.

    If one wants high taxes on corporate income for whatever reason then that requires a more closed economy (capital controls, tariffs) or an international treaty.

    Ireland certainly has a decent economy, but the EU has an interesting alternative measurement of well-being called Actual Individual Consumption which aims to measure the individual material welfare as closely as possible. Ireland is at 96 (100 is the EU median). I haven’t been to Ireland but I know someone who lives in Finland and who has and he basically said there was no real tangible difference despite Ireland being significantly richer on paper.

    Even the Irish themselves have understood the issue and they are now using a GNI* methodology, which stands for modified Gross National Income. It aims to remove some of the problems with the usual GDP methodology, though the jury is still out how well it will do. Even according to this measurement, they still grew close to 19% in 2015 when all the corporate inversions happened. For a developed economy, that is just implausible and bonkers.

    Other countries are simply unwilling to adjust their tax structure as aggressively as the Irish did.

    Spoken like a true tax cheat :)

    Incidientally, the Irish aren’t even the worst offenders. Juncker himself was knee-deep in tax avoidance schemes in his native Luxembourg. This is why I always roll my eyes when the EU is “going to get tough on the US internet companies”.

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    Yes, Irish national accounting is problematic which as you note the Irish themselves realize. Lots of Irish GDP is just revenue corporations manage to domicile in Ireland. Not only does this not accrue to the Irish themselves, but it's generally immediately invested in Dollar or Euro bonds.

    Still, I don't think it can be disputed that Ireland's low corporate tax rate has been successful for the country. Hardly the only factor of course. The English language, common law, low wages and land prices (when the Tiger got started anyway), and a time zone only four hours removed from the US East Coast were big factors.

    Low corporate tax rates aren't an "offense" against anything. There's no treaty in existence (let alone one that Ireland or Luxembourg are party to) which obligates a country to have high statutory corporate tax rates. Perhaps France, Germany, etc. should reform their taxation systems instead of grousing about Ireland (and Switzerland).

    Within the United States some states have eliminated their state corporate taxes. Naturally the incompetent states (and states with unreasonable government expenditures) grouse endlessly about this.

    The tax abuses of American companies have to do with America's bizarre extraterritorial taxation system (with high tax rates as well), which inevitably involve Ireland (and various other jurisdictions such as the Netherlands, Switzerland, Caribbean centers, etc.).

    Fortunately the recent tax reform here solves many of those problems.

    Abuses of European companies are lesser owing to saner corporate tax regimes, though they still exist as naturally one will manipulate supply chains and transfer pricing in order to avoid higher taxes where possible.

    As for seriousness, many if not most actions taken by the European Commission appear to be a soft form of protectionism. Hence the endless sanctions on American IT companies.

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  161. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor
    The only David Irving book I read (though perhaps it’s the most important one) is Hitler’s War and the War Path. (So basically two books in one.)

    It appears to me that he is interesting to read if you are well versed in the topic in question, but be prepared that he occasionally puts forward theories which make little sense, and often distorts the evidence. His refusal to quote secondary sources means that he doesn’t believe in cumulative knowledge. His findings are often very insightful, but sometimes he arrives at extremely implausible conclusions.

    While he never specifically researched the holocaust, his thesis (that Hitler knew nothing about it until maybe 1943 and that it was the initiative of his security apparatus) is contradicted by all the available evidence. He’s misleading the readers and fails to engage the literature. By not citing secondary sources, it’s quite easy for him, all he needs to do is cherry-pick from the documents. A good corrective could be Richard J. Evans and his Telling Lies about Hitler. (The book is written about the lawsuit where Evans was a witness of the defendant.)

    He also distorts things about the conduct of the war. For example he exaggerates Hitler’s military genius in the case of the Battle of France. Hitler actually didn’t understand Manstein’s plan at all. A good corrective might be The Blitzkrieg Legend by Karl-Heinz Frieser.

    Then there’s the case of treason. Irving hints at certain operations’ failure being caused by sabotage, like I think in the case of the Falaise Pocket he mentions how it turned out that Kluge had some loose connection to the July 20 conspirators. Technically it’s true, but it’s of course not like any evidence has ever surfaced to suggest that he deliberately sabotaged the war effort.

    There’s a number of similar examples. The real strength of his work is that at least there’s a pro-Hitler viewpoint now.

    That said, I think what he got after the publication of Hitler’s War was unjustified, and helped him becoming something of a crank.

    A good corrective could be Richard J. Evans and his Telling Lies about Hitler. (The book is written about the lawsuit where Evans was a witness of the defendant.)

    The Holcaust on Trial by D. D. Guttenplan is good.

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  162. @Polish Perspective
    Ireland certainly has a decent economy, but the EU has an interesting alternative measurement of well-being called Actual Individual Consumption which aims to measure the individual material welfare as closely as possible. Ireland is at 96 (100 is the EU median). I haven't been to Ireland but I know someone who lives in Finland and who has and he basically said there was no real tangible difference despite Ireland being significantly richer on paper.

    Even the Irish themselves have understood the issue and they are now using a GNI* methodology, which stands for modified Gross National Income. It aims to remove some of the problems with the usual GDP methodology, though the jury is still out how well it will do. Even according to this measurement, they still grew close to 19% in 2015 when all the corporate inversions happened. For a developed economy, that is just implausible and bonkers.


    Other countries are simply unwilling to adjust their tax structure as aggressively as the Irish did.
     
    Spoken like a true tax cheat :)

    Incidientally, the Irish aren't even the worst offenders. Juncker himself was knee-deep in tax avoidance schemes in his native Luxembourg. This is why I always roll my eyes when the EU is "going to get tough on the US internet companies".

    Yes, Irish national accounting is problematic which as you note the Irish themselves realize. Lots of Irish GDP is just revenue corporations manage to domicile in Ireland. Not only does this not accrue to the Irish themselves, but it’s generally immediately invested in Dollar or Euro bonds.

    Still, I don’t think it can be disputed that Ireland’s low corporate tax rate has been successful for the country. Hardly the only factor of course. The English language, common law, low wages and land prices (when the Tiger got started anyway), and a time zone only four hours removed from the US East Coast were big factors.

    Low corporate tax rates aren’t an “offense” against anything. There’s no treaty in existence (let alone one that Ireland or Luxembourg are party to) which obligates a country to have high statutory corporate tax rates. Perhaps France, Germany, etc. should reform their taxation systems instead of grousing about Ireland (and Switzerland).

    Within the United States some states have eliminated their state corporate taxes. Naturally the incompetent states (and states with unreasonable government expenditures) grouse endlessly about this.

    The tax abuses of American companies have to do with America’s bizarre extraterritorial taxation system (with high tax rates as well), which inevitably involve Ireland (and various other jurisdictions such as the Netherlands, Switzerland, Caribbean centers, etc.).

    Fortunately the recent tax reform here solves many of those problems.

    Abuses of European companies are lesser owing to saner corporate tax regimes, though they still exist as naturally one will manipulate supply chains and transfer pricing in order to avoid higher taxes where possible.

    As for seriousness, many if not most actions taken by the European Commission appear to be a soft form of protectionism. Hence the endless sanctions on American IT companies.

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    time zone only four hours removed from the US East Coast were big factors.

    That will be news to the Irish, I think I can confidently say (being one of them myself).
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  163. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    We will drown and no one will save us.

    We will drown and no one will save us.

    Maybe they don’t know how to swim either.

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  164. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture
     
    WW2 Japanese weren't especially civilized and committed plenty of atrocities. The war in the Pacific had elements of a race war not least because of the absolutely appalling behaviour of the Japanese towards prisoners and subjected populations.
    American reactions can certainly be seen as rather excessive (as they often are), burning 100 000 civilians in Tokyo in a single night was pretty extreme. But the Japanese had given Americans plenty of reasons for hate with the Bataan death march and numerous other war crimes.

    The natives helped rescue American pilots that were shot down. They did not help rescue the Japanese because of their experiences with the Japanese – when possible, they usually killed them.

    The Japanese interned more Dutch civilians than Americans interned Japanese.

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    The Japanese interned more Dutch civilians
     
    iirc they even forced some Dutch women into sex slavery (which they of course did on a really large scale with Korean and other Asian women as well). They also treated Western pows quite horribly (almost a third died iirc), with a few unfortunate Americans even being vivisected alive and some pows killed even after the Japanese surrender.
    I still think the American firebombings were rather extreme (and maybe unnecessary, given how American submarines destroyed much of Japan's merchant fleet which would have meant certain economic strangulation for Japan), but the Japanese certainly did a lot to contribute to the transgressive nature of the war.
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  165. @songbird
    The natives helped rescue American pilots that were shot down. They did not help rescue the Japanese because of their experiences with the Japanese - when possible, they usually killed them.

    The Japanese interned more Dutch civilians than Americans interned Japanese.

    The Japanese interned more Dutch civilians

    iirc they even forced some Dutch women into sex slavery (which they of course did on a really large scale with Korean and other Asian women as well). They also treated Western pows quite horribly (almost a third died iirc), with a few unfortunate Americans even being vivisected alive and some pows killed even after the Japanese surrender.
    I still think the American firebombings were rather extreme (and maybe unnecessary, given how American submarines destroyed much of Japan’s merchant fleet which would have meant certain economic strangulation for Japan), but the Japanese certainly did a lot to contribute to the transgressive nature of the war.

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    Despite the Blitz and so on, I have heard far more genuine hostility towards the Japanese from the generation that fought in the War than towards the Germans. Many people in Britain have a family member that disappeared in the Burma railway.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Classic essay by WW2 infantry veteran and postwar writer Bob Fussell on the subject: https://www.uio.no/studier/emner/hf/iakh/HIS1300MET/v12/undervisningsmateriale/Fussel%20-%20thank%20god%20for%20the%20atom%20bomb.pdf
    , @songbird
    I think in both theaters of war there is the interesting question of what sort of peace deal might have been possible at any point in the war. Obviously, it would have been totally impossible to sue for peace right after Pearl Harbor. But could it have been possible after Midway?

    The demand for total surrender does not seem to have led to much good on either side of the globe. Of course, such a deal may have made the prosecution of war criminals difficult, but relatively few were held responsible anyway, and if you have to bomb cities to get them, is it worth it?

    In my view - in the light of how history unfolded - the idea of total surrender was almost as crazy as making war on the US in the first place. What seems so odd, is that, as far as I know, the Allies never even sent out feelers. Though Germany's early proposals did not seem strategically acceptable, holding the Eastern front, made a lot of sense.
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  166. DFH says:
    @German_reader

    The Japanese interned more Dutch civilians
     
    iirc they even forced some Dutch women into sex slavery (which they of course did on a really large scale with Korean and other Asian women as well). They also treated Western pows quite horribly (almost a third died iirc), with a few unfortunate Americans even being vivisected alive and some pows killed even after the Japanese surrender.
    I still think the American firebombings were rather extreme (and maybe unnecessary, given how American submarines destroyed much of Japan's merchant fleet which would have meant certain economic strangulation for Japan), but the Japanese certainly did a lot to contribute to the transgressive nature of the war.

    Despite the Blitz and so on, I have heard far more genuine hostility towards the Japanese from the generation that fought in the War than towards the Germans. Many people in Britain have a family member that disappeared in the Burma railway.

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    The Japanese interned more Dutch civilians
     
    iirc they even forced some Dutch women into sex slavery (which they of course did on a really large scale with Korean and other Asian women as well). They also treated Western pows quite horribly (almost a third died iirc), with a few unfortunate Americans even being vivisected alive and some pows killed even after the Japanese surrender.
    I still think the American firebombings were rather extreme (and maybe unnecessary, given how American submarines destroyed much of Japan's merchant fleet which would have meant certain economic strangulation for Japan), but the Japanese certainly did a lot to contribute to the transgressive nature of the war.
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  168. Wally says:
    @German_reader

    My gut feeling is that the 6 million number is at least greatly exaggerated
     
    I think even mainstream historians nowadays cite somewhat lower numbers of over 5 million, but significantly below 6 million. But I don't see how one can doubt that several millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis.

    I doubt the holocaust happened
     
    I don't. More to the point, my grandfather who was with a Luftwaffe logistics unit or something of the sort in Belarus during the war didn't have any doubts. He had seen and heard enough there to think that the extermination camps and all that were real. And he was hardly exceptional in that. So I don't really understand Holocaust revisionists.

    ” More to the point, my grandfather who was with a Luftwaffe logistics unit or something of the sort in Belarus during the war didn’t have any doubts. He had seen and heard enough there to think that the extermination camps and all that were real. And he was hardly exceptional in that. So I don’t really understand Holocaust revisionists.”

    That’s pretty funny. Just what did your grandfather say he ‘heard & saw’ from an airplane in Belarus? Belarus? Seriously?

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist to this day and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the dumbest, most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.Only liars demand censorship.
    ‘Germans killed 20,000 Jews with atomic bomb’ too.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  169. Wally says:
    @iffen
    So I don’t really understand Holocaust revisionists.

    And I don't understand how you can write this.

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  170. Wally says:
    @Yevardian
    The Jooz got to him.

    These will help you “understand”:

    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    and:
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau

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    Thoughts On The Holocaust™ by Dr. William Luther Pierce

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alyk2g10AZk
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  171. @Polish Perspective
    That's very interesting, Rosie, I skimmed through the comment thread you posted. Some initial thoughts.

    - Religiosity. Poland has the highest amount of active religious citizens in the under-40 category. Women are known to be both A) more religious than men and B) more active in their respective congregations than men. In Poland, Catholicism is deeply enmeshed with our national identity, which is why you'd often have quite religious parties on the far-right. I am an outlier in that sense (atheism).

    - The party selected. I see now that the party was League of Polish Families, which is not one of the main far-right groupings. You can think of it as a nationalist version of Christian Democrats(CDU in Germany). Parties which are pro-family tend to have very strong policies for women, given that women are seen as the primary party in child-bearing and raising the kids. So my guess is that while Polish women overall are underrepresented than Polish men, they are probably disproportionately supporting parties like that.

    That said, there are more and more women joining, especially younger women. One of the main organisers of last year's independence march (100K people in Warsaw) was a women in her late 20s. Women are held in high esteem in Poland, and have traditionally had a very strong say in the household. I read somewhere that we have the highest amount of women as a share of senior executives (which is more important than just being a board member, since senior execs have real power) in all of the OECD. Curiously, Russia also ranked quite high. I can't compare with how it was 10-15 years ago as I was just a child then, but people who are older in the movement tell me there's been a strong rebalancing of the genders, which is ultimately a good thing. I don't buy the white sharia nonsense.

    P.S.

    The Polish number is noise since almost all Polish political parties are “far-right” on immigration by western European standards. In particular the main Polish “center-right” party PiS is somewhat to the right of Marine Le Pen.
     
    That comment was written by snorlax and I can already shoot it down. PO, the main opposition party and often cast as "center-right" are in fact neoliberals and they have openly stated they want a multicultural Poland. PiS is not a nationalist party in a true sense either, since they still buy the civic nationalist framework. PSL, the farmer's party, are just useful idiots to the neoliberals. And then we have SLD (social democrats) which were voted out in the last election but will almost certainly be making a comeback in the next parliament. You can already guess their position. Poland isn't in such a good position as people claim, and that is true for all V4 countries.

    It's true that Poland's immigration position as of now is close to that of FN in France, but FN is a civic nationalist party, too. That's why I am not supporting PiS. It's also why I am discouraging support for parties like AfD, FN, SD etc whenever I meet nationalists abroad. It's a false opposition, since they just want to slow things down, but not fundamentally change anything of importance.

    P.P.S.

    Some of the parties in the list cannot be compared. For instance, the party they chose for Norway is the "Progress Party", or Fremskrittspartiet(abbreviated as 'FrP' in Norway). It is a very mild party whose immigration minister resigned a few months ago after she said she didn't want Norway to be turned into Sweden. The firestorm that ensued ended her career in large part because nobody in the leadership cadre had the guts and the spine to stand by her, so she was abandoned. Very based party.

    By contrast, League of Polish families is a far more radical party, but as I noted, it is also a very religious/pro-family one, which would explain why many women support it. I'd still take the League of Polish families as a political model over FrP and similar parties.

    @107 Polish perspective:

    My take on comparably high female representation in both Russia and Poland is the following one:

    1: Neither Russian nor Polish have as many insults for being smart as English (to a lesser extent German) has. Being intelligent is, in either a Russian or a Polish high school, less of a social risk then in an American one. This is results in more rigorous and serious scientific schooling in the hard sciences for both sexes.

    2: Gender simply isnt such a big deal in either country. You dont have this infantilizing “but muh patriarchical oppression” thing.

    3: More legit female role models (f.e. Marie Curie in Poland, Lyudmilla Pavlichenko in Russia).

    4: While their is a glass ceiling for women in both Poland and Russia, once a women has broken through by proving she has the chops she is basically through (until she tries to break the next ceiling that is). In the west, officially there arent any glass ceilings so you cant prove yourself by breaking them, as such, in the west the “proving” continues forever.

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  172. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    The Japanese interned more Dutch civilians
     
    iirc they even forced some Dutch women into sex slavery (which they of course did on a really large scale with Korean and other Asian women as well). They also treated Western pows quite horribly (almost a third died iirc), with a few unfortunate Americans even being vivisected alive and some pows killed even after the Japanese surrender.
    I still think the American firebombings were rather extreme (and maybe unnecessary, given how American submarines destroyed much of Japan's merchant fleet which would have meant certain economic strangulation for Japan), but the Japanese certainly did a lot to contribute to the transgressive nature of the war.

    I think in both theaters of war there is the interesting question of what sort of peace deal might have been possible at any point in the war. Obviously, it would have been totally impossible to sue for peace right after Pearl Harbor. But could it have been possible after Midway?

    The demand for total surrender does not seem to have led to much good on either side of the globe. Of course, such a deal may have made the prosecution of war criminals difficult, but relatively few were held responsible anyway, and if you have to bomb cities to get them, is it worth it?

    In my view – in the light of how history unfolded – the idea of total surrender was almost as crazy as making war on the US in the first place. What seems so odd, is that, as far as I know, the Allies never even sent out feelers. Though Germany’s early proposals did not seem strategically acceptable, holding the Eastern front, made a lot of sense.

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    I suspect Midway was too soon. Even if the Japanese had agreed to talks, I doubt they would've accepted anything more than a white peace.

    After the Battle of the Philippine Sea it would have been reasonable to approach the Japanese to discuss terms for their surrender. If they refused (quite possible in light of the fact they launched Operation Ichi Go) then a good time to revisit the matter would've been in the spring of 1945 after the Battle of Iwo Jima and Operation Meetinghouse.

    Prosecuting war criminals doesn't advance any war aims whatsoever, and the practice simply makes it less likely that states will sue for peace.

    As for the European Theater of Operations, Britian could've gotten a white peace (for itself) at any time after hostilities began. The British repeatedly ignored German efforts to end the war in the west. It didn't help that they refused to even meet agents and legations they sent, which would explain why Stafford Cripps told the Soviets that Britain couldn't accept peace because Germany wanted Britain to surrender the Royal Navy (bizarre).
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  173. @songbird
    I think in both theaters of war there is the interesting question of what sort of peace deal might have been possible at any point in the war. Obviously, it would have been totally impossible to sue for peace right after Pearl Harbor. But could it have been possible after Midway?

    The demand for total surrender does not seem to have led to much good on either side of the globe. Of course, such a deal may have made the prosecution of war criminals difficult, but relatively few were held responsible anyway, and if you have to bomb cities to get them, is it worth it?

    In my view - in the light of how history unfolded - the idea of total surrender was almost as crazy as making war on the US in the first place. What seems so odd, is that, as far as I know, the Allies never even sent out feelers. Though Germany's early proposals did not seem strategically acceptable, holding the Eastern front, made a lot of sense.

    I suspect Midway was too soon. Even if the Japanese had agreed to talks, I doubt they would’ve accepted anything more than a white peace.

    After the Battle of the Philippine Sea it would have been reasonable to approach the Japanese to discuss terms for their surrender. If they refused (quite possible in light of the fact they launched Operation Ichi Go) then a good time to revisit the matter would’ve been in the spring of 1945 after the Battle of Iwo Jima and Operation Meetinghouse.

    Prosecuting war criminals doesn’t advance any war aims whatsoever, and the practice simply makes it less likely that states will sue for peace.

    As for the European Theater of Operations, Britian could’ve gotten a white peace (for itself) at any time after hostilities began. The British repeatedly ignored German efforts to end the war in the west. It didn’t help that they refused to even meet agents and legations they sent, which would explain why Stafford Cripps told the Soviets that Britain couldn’t accept peace because Germany wanted Britain to surrender the Royal Navy (bizarre).

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    If they refused (quite possible in light of the fact they launched Operation Ichi Go)
     
    which was actually quite successful, they conquered large territories previously held by the Kuomintang.
    iirc they also had serious plans for an invasion of British India, but that failed of course and led to their major defeat at Imphal and Kohima and the loss of Burma. But in 1944 they still believed they could achieve some sort of victory.
    Regarding unconditional surrender: I guess in Europe it was necessary to keep the alliance with the Soviet Union intact, though obviously from a German perspective that demand was hard to accept and made any plans for a coup against Hitler more difficult.
    , @songbird
    I agree that Midway was probably too early to spook Japan, but it may have supplied a psychological release for the American public to the point where they would have accepted a peace deal, such as status quo ante (or slightly modified): Japan keeps Korea and Manchuria, gets out of everywhere else, and sinks its carriers. Of course, the Japanese were ambitious and probably would not have accepted such a deal.

    I think the main objection against the standard German offer was that they seemed to want to prevent any reconstitution of armies in Western Europe. Perhaps understandable, but not strictly practical considering how formidable gains in the East would make Germany.
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  174. songbird says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Don’t worry, Talha, as long as Austrians keep not having kids and Muslims there keep having several kids per woman, the country will turn Muslim anyway. Then they can reopen whatever mosques and hire whatever imams they want.

    In substance, it is not much different from the Burqa ban. Anything that doesn’t acknowledge demographic trends and actually takes steps to change them is just a distraction.

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    I tend to agree, but it's still useful in a way. Erdogan has already threatened holy war against "crusaders", hopefully that will harden the Austrian's resolve.
    Meanwhile Merkel has asked German football fans to cheer Özil and Gündogan, the two players in Germany's "national" team who recently met "their" president Erdogan. Pathetic, this evil old witch just needs to be removed.
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  175. @songbird
    In substance, it is not much different from the Burqa ban. Anything that doesn't acknowledge demographic trends and actually takes steps to change them is just a distraction.

    I tend to agree, but it’s still useful in a way. Erdogan has already threatened holy war against “crusaders”, hopefully that will harden the Austrian’s resolve.
    Meanwhile Merkel has asked German football fans to cheer Özil and Gündogan, the two players in Germany’s “national” team who recently met “their” president Erdogan. Pathetic, this evil old witch just needs to be removed.

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    The great thing about lack of assimilation of Turks is that it would potentially make it easier to return them to Turkey. This is why I think the satellite dishes aren't inherently bad.
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  176. @Thorfinnsson
    I suspect Midway was too soon. Even if the Japanese had agreed to talks, I doubt they would've accepted anything more than a white peace.

    After the Battle of the Philippine Sea it would have been reasonable to approach the Japanese to discuss terms for their surrender. If they refused (quite possible in light of the fact they launched Operation Ichi Go) then a good time to revisit the matter would've been in the spring of 1945 after the Battle of Iwo Jima and Operation Meetinghouse.

    Prosecuting war criminals doesn't advance any war aims whatsoever, and the practice simply makes it less likely that states will sue for peace.

    As for the European Theater of Operations, Britian could've gotten a white peace (for itself) at any time after hostilities began. The British repeatedly ignored German efforts to end the war in the west. It didn't help that they refused to even meet agents and legations they sent, which would explain why Stafford Cripps told the Soviets that Britain couldn't accept peace because Germany wanted Britain to surrender the Royal Navy (bizarre).

    If they refused (quite possible in light of the fact they launched Operation Ichi Go)

    which was actually quite successful, they conquered large territories previously held by the Kuomintang.
    iirc they also had serious plans for an invasion of British India, but that failed of course and led to their major defeat at Imphal and Kohima and the loss of Burma. But in 1944 they still believed they could achieve some sort of victory.
    Regarding unconditional surrender: I guess in Europe it was necessary to keep the alliance with the Soviet Union intact, though obviously from a German perspective that demand was hard to accept and made any plans for a coup against Hitler more difficult.

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  177. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I suspect Midway was too soon. Even if the Japanese had agreed to talks, I doubt they would've accepted anything more than a white peace.

    After the Battle of the Philippine Sea it would have been reasonable to approach the Japanese to discuss terms for their surrender. If they refused (quite possible in light of the fact they launched Operation Ichi Go) then a good time to revisit the matter would've been in the spring of 1945 after the Battle of Iwo Jima and Operation Meetinghouse.

    Prosecuting war criminals doesn't advance any war aims whatsoever, and the practice simply makes it less likely that states will sue for peace.

    As for the European Theater of Operations, Britian could've gotten a white peace (for itself) at any time after hostilities began. The British repeatedly ignored German efforts to end the war in the west. It didn't help that they refused to even meet agents and legations they sent, which would explain why Stafford Cripps told the Soviets that Britain couldn't accept peace because Germany wanted Britain to surrender the Royal Navy (bizarre).

    I agree that Midway was probably too early to spook Japan, but it may have supplied a psychological release for the American public to the point where they would have accepted a peace deal, such as status quo ante (or slightly modified): Japan keeps Korea and Manchuria, gets out of everywhere else, and sinks its carriers. Of course, the Japanese were ambitious and probably would not have accepted such a deal.

    I think the main objection against the standard German offer was that they seemed to want to prevent any reconstitution of armies in Western Europe. Perhaps understandable, but not strictly practical considering how formidable gains in the East would make Germany.

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  178. songbird says:
    @German_reader
    I tend to agree, but it's still useful in a way. Erdogan has already threatened holy war against "crusaders", hopefully that will harden the Austrian's resolve.
    Meanwhile Merkel has asked German football fans to cheer Özil and Gündogan, the two players in Germany's "national" team who recently met "their" president Erdogan. Pathetic, this evil old witch just needs to be removed.

    The great thing about lack of assimilation of Turks is that it would potentially make it easier to return them to Turkey. This is why I think the satellite dishes aren’t inherently bad.

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  179. Jon0815 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ... and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.
     
    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.

    It also saved the lives of 10,000's Soviet servicemen and prevented the creation of the Hokkaido SSR, which would have gotten independent eventually anyway to zero benefit to Russia.

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.

    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.

    Were North Koreans 50x tougher than Japanese? During the Korean War, North Korea didn’t capitulate after losing 20% of its population to US conventional bombing, vs. Japan’s loss of less than 1% of its population to the atomic bombings (and Japan didn’t consider surrender after losing more people in the March 9 firebombing of Tokyo, than it did at Nagasaki).

    Although at the time it was in the interests of both the USA and Japan to pretend otherwise, in reality the primary factor in Japan’s surrender was the Soviet declaration of war and swift victory in Manchuria (a side effect of the myth that the atom bomb deserves the credit, which I find particularly annoying, is the existence of all the silly alternate history stories where Hitler conquers the USA just by nuking New York and DC).

    The primary obstacle to Japan’s surrender, seems to have been that the USA refused to explicitly promise to let the Japanese keep their Emperor. If so, then the atom bombings could have been avoided simply by the USA agreeing beforehand to do what it did afterwards anyway. And while the American position on the Emperor’s postwar status was publicly unstated, the Soviets would certainly have had him shot, so to the Japanese an American occupation was clearly preferable to a Soviet one.

    Even if the Japanese had waited to surrender until the Soviets were actually landing on Hokkaido, that still would have happened before the end of 1945, and quite possibly before the US invasion of southern Japan began in November.

    It also saved the lives of 10,000′s Soviet servicemen and prevented the creation of the Hokkaido SSR, which would have gotten independent eventually anyway to zero benefit to Russia.

    Maybe, assuming that during the months before the Hokkaido landings, the increasing imminence of a Soviet invasion did not cause the USA to drop its insistence on an unconditional surrender, or the Japanese did not to agree to surrender without a public US commitment to keep the Emperor.

    But 10,000′s wouldn’t even be a rounding error in the context of overall Soviet WWII losses, and the existence of a Hokkaido SSR (or North Japan satellite state) would have so unpredictably scrambled post-WWII history, that it’s impossible to say whether Russia today would be significantly better or worse off as a result.

    Anyway, it is still both morally correct and in the self-interest of Russian nationalists to condemn war atrocities committed by the USA, regardless of whether those atrocities were incidentally beneficial to Russia (which in this case is unclear).

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.

    I think it’s strange that a Russian nationalist thinks its a good idea for Russians to join neocons and ‘Murica types in being Hiroshima apologists, thereby relinquishing a good talking point with which to hit back at the USA for its hypocrisy, when it attacks Russia for civilian deaths in Aleppo or wherever.

    I suppose the explanation is some combination of runaway atomophilia, and ideological tribalism (liberal cucks condemn the deliberate mass murder of 100,000s of Japanese women and children, therefore non-liberal cucks must embrace it).

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    I think it’s strange that a Russian nationalist thinks its a good idea for Russians to join neocons and ‘Murica types in being Hiroshima apologists
     
    Makes you wonder.
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  180. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ... and in the nuclear bombing of population centres of an already defeated Japan.
     
    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.

    It also saved the lives of 10,000's Soviet servicemen and prevented the creation of the Hokkaido SSR, which would have gotten independent eventually anyway to zero benefit to Russia.

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.

    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.

    This is the issue. It isn’t supported by historical detail (Japan was trying to surrender at the time, already defeated economically, bombs used on population centres, and the use of second plutonium weapon on Nagasaki three days later, before the impact of the first bomb was understood – simply a desperate American warcrime).

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.

    I would say a moral difference on issue of targeting specifically a civilian population with weapons of mass destruction (an action Russia has never taken/will never take).

    I agree with your view if it that the ‘calling American hypocrisy’ game is tedious and can be boring. I also would agree that actions of 1940s (by a leadership which has died decades ago), are not some tool for criticizing current American actions. But the actual actions of August 1945, were – nonetheless- unacceptable actions.

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    I would say a moral difference on issue of targeting specifically a civilian population with weapons of mass destruction (an action Russia has never taken/will never take).

    LOL

    But the actual actions of August 1945, were – nonetheless- unacceptable actions.

    Bullshit!

    Apology to GR, it's really hard not to eat the marshmallow.
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  181. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture
     
    WW2 Japanese weren't especially civilized and committed plenty of atrocities. The war in the Pacific had elements of a race war not least because of the absolutely appalling behaviour of the Japanese towards prisoners and subjected populations.
    American reactions can certainly be seen as rather excessive (as they often are), burning 100 000 civilians in Tokyo in a single night was pretty extreme. But the Japanese had given Americans plenty of reasons for hate with the Bataan death march and numerous other war crimes.

    It’s fair point, that the Japanese military has committed warcrimes against Chinese population during this era.

    It is true, the fact of the civilization level of the country itself, is irrelevant to that (Germany is “the land of poets and thinkers” – but they had in the same era been sadly hijacked by the most evil government).

    But there is also no justification to use weapons of mass destruction on unrelated civilian populations, who are innocent of the crimes committed by the military leadership.

    Is there a connection to use a nuclear weapon on American city e.g. of Denver, – because of warcrimes of some soldiers in Mỹ Lai Massacre?

    And there is no justification of imprisonment of Japanese Americans for crimes committed by the military leadership of a country they had emigrated from years earlier. The Japanese Americans were the most loyal and patriotic population group in America, if go by the most medals proportionally for bravery during WW2.

    In this context, it is the same as the American rednecks had imprisoned the German Americans. Indeed, I believe there had been racism against German Americans during this period, but no imprisonment.

    You can be an America fan, without supporting this most stupid, extremist or criminal aspects in their history.

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    Oops I can see and want to correct all the grammatical mistakes in this post - apologies if this is annoying to read. Can we add an edit function that lasts more than five minutes?
    , @German_reader

    Germany is “the land of poets and thinkers” – but they had in the same era been sadly hijacked by the most evil government
     
    Well, back then it was more the Land der Richter und Henker ("the land of judges and executioners").

    But there is also no justification to use weapons of mass destruction on unrelated civilian populations
     
    I tend to agree, but it's a difficult question and as you write yourself there's not that much point to moralizing about those issues after so much time. Focus should be on ensuring that something like this doesn't happen again.
    , @songbird
    They feared Japanese would create sabotage units that would effectively hide and operate in the wilderness of the underpopulated West. The Nihau Incident provided ample evidence to question Japanese-American loyalties.

    Was it strategically useful? The right thing to do? Probably not, but let's not elevate it to the status of a war crime, and use racial politics to make the US the secondary evil, after Nazi Germany. It leaves a bad taste, esp. when the US and Europe are being dismembered by said racial politics. You want us to feel sorry for the Japanese, with their ethnically homogeneous, first-world, non-PC society? Well, I don't.

    As I said before - the Japanese imprisoned more Dutch. People whose home country was occupied, and who posed zero threat to them, and actually gave them the resources they required. Many of them died. You never hear it mentioned because it doesn't fit into the racial politics narrative, where Japanese only committed sins against nonwhites.

    Japanese-Americans had free reign in most of America, during the war. Are you really comparing the exclusion zone to the Japanese treatment of civilians? A case can even be made that the US treated Germans worse. Many German immigrants to South America were deported back to Germany, under US influence, some of them were Jews.

    As far as I know, there wasn't a major power that did not intern civilians. The British even interned Austrians like Heinrich Harrier in India. The internment and bombing scorecard contest is pretty moot because the same belligerents are not likely to fight again and most of the people involved are dead.

    I would not say that Japanese society was more advanced, smarter, or inherently better than American. When Perry's fleet steamed into Japan, the Japanese thought their ships were on fire because steam power was beyond their conception. Japan is largely non-interventionist now because that is what the US imposed on them. America helped create modern Japan in more ways than one.
    , @Thorfinnsson

    And there is no justification of imprisonment of Japanese Americans for crimes committed by the military leadership of a country they had emigrated from years earlier. The Japanese Americans were the most loyal and patriotic population group in America, if go by the most medals proportionally for bravery during WW2.
     

    It wasn't until 1898 that jus soli became the basis for natural born citizenship, and non-whites were ineligible for naturalization until 1952. Thus much of the Japanese population in America in 1941 were not in fact citizens and thus cannot be called Japanese-Americans.

    Another commenter explained the rationale for internment, and here's the specific incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident

    The blanket West Coast internment was likely excessive, and America's chief of counterintelligence at the time (J. Edgar Hoover) believed it would be sufficient to simply evacuate Japanese from the vicinity of ports, bases, factories, etc. That said it's nothing to shed any tears over, as the internment was quite humane.

    The 442nd Regimental Combat Team did indeed have a sterling record, but was wisely employed in the European theater.

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  182. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry
    It's fair point, that the Japanese military has committed warcrimes against Chinese population during this era.

    It is true, the fact of the civilization level of the country itself, is irrelevant to that (Germany is "the land of poets and thinkers" - but they had in the same era been sadly hijacked by the most evil government).

    But there is also no justification to use weapons of mass destruction on unrelated civilian populations, who are innocent of the crimes committed by the military leadership.

    Is there a connection to use a nuclear weapon on American city e.g. of Denver, - because of warcrimes of some soldiers in Mỹ Lai Massacre?

    And there is no justification of imprisonment of Japanese Americans for crimes committed by the military leadership of a country they had emigrated from years earlier. The Japanese Americans were the most loyal and patriotic population group in America, if go by the most medals proportionally for bravery during WW2.

    In this context, it is the same as the American rednecks had imprisoned the German Americans. Indeed, I believe there had been racism against German Americans during this period, but no imprisonment.

    You can be an America fan, without supporting this most stupid, extremist or criminal aspects in their history.

    Oops I can see and want to correct all the grammatical mistakes in this post – apologies if this is annoying to read. Can we add an edit function that lasts more than five minutes?

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  183. Mitleser says:

    San Francisco is da shit.

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    I've seen some of this myself. Of course, nowhere near as bad because the mild climate of CA attracts vagrants from across the country.
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  184. songbird says:
    @Mitleser
    San Francisco is da shit.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De_1oiSWAAAhFpe.jpg

    I’ve seen some of this myself. Of course, nowhere near as bad because the mild climate of CA attracts vagrants from across the country.

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  185. @Dmitry
    It's fair point, that the Japanese military has committed warcrimes against Chinese population during this era.

    It is true, the fact of the civilization level of the country itself, is irrelevant to that (Germany is "the land of poets and thinkers" - but they had in the same era been sadly hijacked by the most evil government).

    But there is also no justification to use weapons of mass destruction on unrelated civilian populations, who are innocent of the crimes committed by the military leadership.

    Is there a connection to use a nuclear weapon on American city e.g. of Denver, - because of warcrimes of some soldiers in Mỹ Lai Massacre?

    And there is no justification of imprisonment of Japanese Americans for crimes committed by the military leadership of a country they had emigrated from years earlier. The Japanese Americans were the most loyal and patriotic population group in America, if go by the most medals proportionally for bravery during WW2.

    In this context, it is the same as the American rednecks had imprisoned the German Americans. Indeed, I believe there had been racism against German Americans during this period, but no imprisonment.

    You can be an America fan, without supporting this most stupid, extremist or criminal aspects in their history.

    Germany is “the land of poets and thinkers” – but they had in the same era been sadly hijacked by the most evil government

    Well, back then it was more the Land der Richter und Henker (“the land of judges and executioners”).

    But there is also no justification to use weapons of mass destruction on unrelated civilian populations

    I tend to agree, but it’s a difficult question and as you write yourself there’s not that much point to moralizing about those issues after so much time. Focus should be on ensuring that something like this doesn’t happen again.

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  186. @Polish Perspective
    Canada is thisclose to legalising marijuana. I don't see the problem. Alcohol is a deadlier drug. Banning alcohol didn't work - though Counter-Currents disagrees - so why would weed continually being banned work better compared to its legalisation?

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/miss-america-eliminates-swimsuits-and-wont-judge-on-looks


    The Miss America Organization is dropping the swimsuit competition, saying it will no longer judge contestants on their appearance.

    The competition began nearly 100 years ago in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as a bathing beauty contest designed to keep tourists coming to the seaside resort in the weekend after Labor Day.
    But it has run into resistance to the swimsuit, and to a lesser extent, evening gown competitions, that had come by some to be seen as outdated.

    An email scandal last December in which former Miss America officials denigrated the intelligence, appearance and sex lives of former title winners led to a shake-up at the top, and the group’s top three leadership positions are now held by women.
    We’re not going to judge you on your appearance because we are interested in what makes you you,” Gretchen Carlson, a former Miss America who is head of the organization’s board of trustees, said while making the announcement Tuesday on “Good Morning America.”

    Carlson, whose sexual harassment lawsuit against Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes led to his departure, said the board has heard from potential contestants saying, “We don’t want to be out there in high heels and swimsuits.
     

    What's the point of beauty contests if you can't judge the contestants on, well, their beauty?

    Heroin should be legalized in my opinion. Legalize all drugs and let Darwin take over.

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  187. @Anatoly Karlin
    Marijuana is fine but unfortunately leads to leftism so all users and distributors need to be executed.

    Alcoholics tend to become melancholic artists or wife beaters in grease-stained wifebeaters. This promotes culture and patriarchy, respectively, so alcohol's cool.

    Cocaine is based as fuck and needs to be legalized ASAP.

    If you unironically want to execute all weed smokers, it would make far more sense to somehow genetically engineer new strains of marijuana that contain chemicals that reduce fertility. Leftists already have lower fertility rates than right wingers, and this would accelerate the process.

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  188. @Wally
    These will help you "understand":

    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/img/HHS-300x127.jpg
    and:
    Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau
    https://youtu.be/SUc6Y_E5zb0

    Thoughts On The Holocaust™ by Dr. William Luther Pierce

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  189. songbird says:
    @Dmitry
    It's fair point, that the Japanese military has committed warcrimes against Chinese population during this era.

    It is true, the fact of the civilization level of the country itself, is irrelevant to that (Germany is "the land of poets and thinkers" - but they had in the same era been sadly hijacked by the most evil government).

    But there is also no justification to use weapons of mass destruction on unrelated civilian populations, who are innocent of the crimes committed by the military leadership.

    Is there a connection to use a nuclear weapon on American city e.g. of Denver, - because of warcrimes of some soldiers in Mỹ Lai Massacre?

    And there is no justification of imprisonment of Japanese Americans for crimes committed by the military leadership of a country they had emigrated from years earlier. The Japanese Americans were the most loyal and patriotic population group in America, if go by the most medals proportionally for bravery during WW2.

    In this context, it is the same as the American rednecks had imprisoned the German Americans. Indeed, I believe there had been racism against German Americans during this period, but no imprisonment.

    You can be an America fan, without supporting this most stupid, extremist or criminal aspects in their history.

    They feared Japanese would create sabotage units that would effectively hide and operate in the wilderness of the underpopulated West. The Nihau Incident provided ample evidence to question Japanese-American loyalties.

    Was it strategically useful? The right thing to do? Probably not, but let’s not elevate it to the status of a war crime, and use racial politics to make the US the secondary evil, after Nazi Germany. It leaves a bad taste, esp. when the US and Europe are being dismembered by said racial politics. You want us to feel sorry for the Japanese, with their ethnically homogeneous, first-world, non-PC society? Well, I don’t.

    As I said before – the Japanese imprisoned more Dutch. People whose home country was occupied, and who posed zero threat to them, and actually gave them the resources they required. Many of them died. You never hear it mentioned because it doesn’t fit into the racial politics narrative, where Japanese only committed sins against nonwhites.

    Japanese-Americans had free reign in most of America, during the war. Are you really comparing the exclusion zone to the Japanese treatment of civilians? A case can even be made that the US treated Germans worse. Many German immigrants to South America were deported back to Germany, under US influence, some of them were Jews.

    As far as I know, there wasn’t a major power that did not intern civilians. The British even interned Austrians like Heinrich Harrier in India. The internment and bombing scorecard contest is pretty moot because the same belligerents are not likely to fight again and most of the people involved are dead.

    I would not say that Japanese society was more advanced, smarter, or inherently better than American. When Perry’s fleet steamed into Japan, the Japanese thought their ships were on fire because steam power was beyond their conception. Japan is largely non-interventionist now because that is what the US imposed on them. America helped create modern Japan in more ways than one.

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    Are you really comparing the exclusion zone to the Japanese treatment of civilians? A case can even be made that the US treated Germans worse.
     
    Lol this is not really helping the argument that American behaviour was faultless.

    I would not say that Japanese society was more advanced, smarter, or inherently better than American. When Perry’s fleet steamed into Japan, the Japanese thought their ships were on fire because steam power was beyond their conception.
     
    Because the Americans imported steamboat technology from the English, who invented it. Meanwhile Japan was closed to foreigners for 220 years.

    Which is not to say America didn't go on to create some of history's most amazing achievements on the technological, if not moral level - Manhattan Project being the ultimate example of this.

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  190. iffen says:
    @Dmitry

    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.
     
    This is the issue. It isn't supported by historical detail (Japan was trying to surrender at the time, already defeated economically, bombs used on population centres, and the use of second plutonium weapon on Nagasaki three days later, before the impact of the first bomb was understood - simply a desperate American warcrime).

    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.
     

    I would say a moral difference on issue of targeting specifically a civilian population with weapons of mass destruction (an action Russia has never taken/will never take).

    I agree with your view if it that the 'calling American hypocrisy' game is tedious and can be boring. I also would agree that actions of 1940s (by a leadership which has died decades ago), are not some tool for criticizing current American actions. But the actual actions of August 1945, were - nonetheless- unacceptable actions.

    I would say a moral difference on issue of targeting specifically a civilian population with weapons of mass destruction (an action Russia has never taken/will never take).

    LOL

    But the actual actions of August 1945, were – nonetheless- unacceptable actions.

    Bullshit!

    Apology to GR, it’s really hard not to eat the marshmallow.

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  191. @Dmitry
    It's fair point, that the Japanese military has committed warcrimes against Chinese population during this era.

    It is true, the fact of the civilization level of the country itself, is irrelevant to that (Germany is "the land of poets and thinkers" - but they had in the same era been sadly hijacked by the most evil government).

    But there is also no justification to use weapons of mass destruction on unrelated civilian populations, who are innocent of the crimes committed by the military leadership.

    Is there a connection to use a nuclear weapon on American city e.g. of Denver, - because of warcrimes of some soldiers in Mỹ Lai Massacre?

    And there is no justification of imprisonment of Japanese Americans for crimes committed by the military leadership of a country they had emigrated from years earlier. The Japanese Americans were the most loyal and patriotic population group in America, if go by the most medals proportionally for bravery during WW2.

    In this context, it is the same as the American rednecks had imprisoned the German Americans. Indeed, I believe there had been racism against German Americans during this period, but no imprisonment.

    You can be an America fan, without supporting this most stupid, extremist or criminal aspects in their history.

    And there is no justification of imprisonment of Japanese Americans for crimes committed by the military leadership of a country they had emigrated from years earlier. The Japanese Americans were the most loyal and patriotic population group in America, if go by the most medals proportionally for bravery during WW2.

    It wasn’t until 1898 that jus soli became the basis for natural born citizenship, and non-whites were ineligible for naturalization until 1952. Thus much of the Japanese population in America in 1941 were not in fact citizens and thus cannot be called Japanese-Americans.

    Another commenter explained the rationale for internment, and here’s the specific incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident

    The blanket West Coast internment was likely excessive, and America’s chief of counterintelligence at the time (J. Edgar Hoover) believed it would be sufficient to simply evacuate Japanese from the vicinity of ports, bases, factories, etc. That said it’s nothing to shed any tears over, as the internment was quite humane.

    The 442nd Regimental Combat Team did indeed have a sterling record, but was wisely employed in the European theater.

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    Thus much of the Japanese population in America in 1941 were not in fact citizens and thus cannot be called Japanese-Americans.

    If by "much", you mean 38%, you're correct.

    Sixty-two percent of the internees were United States citizens.[6][7]
     
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  192. Dmitry says:
    @songbird
    They feared Japanese would create sabotage units that would effectively hide and operate in the wilderness of the underpopulated West. The Nihau Incident provided ample evidence to question Japanese-American loyalties.

    Was it strategically useful? The right thing to do? Probably not, but let's not elevate it to the status of a war crime, and use racial politics to make the US the secondary evil, after Nazi Germany. It leaves a bad taste, esp. when the US and Europe are being dismembered by said racial politics. You want us to feel sorry for the Japanese, with their ethnically homogeneous, first-world, non-PC society? Well, I don't.

    As I said before - the Japanese imprisoned more Dutch. People whose home country was occupied, and who posed zero threat to them, and actually gave them the resources they required. Many of them died. You never hear it mentioned because it doesn't fit into the racial politics narrative, where Japanese only committed sins against nonwhites.

    Japanese-Americans had free reign in most of America, during the war. Are you really comparing the exclusion zone to the Japanese treatment of civilians? A case can even be made that the US treated Germans worse. Many German immigrants to South America were deported back to Germany, under US influence, some of them were Jews.

    As far as I know, there wasn't a major power that did not intern civilians. The British even interned Austrians like Heinrich Harrier in India. The internment and bombing scorecard contest is pretty moot because the same belligerents are not likely to fight again and most of the people involved are dead.

    I would not say that Japanese society was more advanced, smarter, or inherently better than American. When Perry's fleet steamed into Japan, the Japanese thought their ships were on fire because steam power was beyond their conception. Japan is largely non-interventionist now because that is what the US imposed on them. America helped create modern Japan in more ways than one.

    Are you really comparing the exclusion zone to the Japanese treatment of civilians? A case can even be made that the US treated Germans worse.

    Lol this is not really helping the argument that American behaviour was faultless.

    I would not say that Japanese society was more advanced, smarter, or inherently better than American. When Perry’s fleet steamed into Japan, the Japanese thought their ships were on fire because steam power was beyond their conception.

    Because the Americans imported steamboat technology from the English, who invented it. Meanwhile Japan was closed to foreigners for 220 years.

    Which is not to say America didn’t go on to create some of history’s most amazing achievements on the technological, if not moral level – Manhattan Project being the ultimate example of this.

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    Eh? Not entirely.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fulton
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Japan maintained some limited contacts with the outside world.

    A small amount of trade was conducted with China, Korea, and the Dutch.

    Through the Dutch, the Japanese even monitored foreign technological and scientific developments. This was known as "Rangaku", meaning Dutch learning.

    Almost certainly the Japanese already knew about steam power at the time Perry arrived, but the men at the harbor did not.

    There was also interesting indigenous Japanese innovation during the Tokugawa Shogunate. They invented sports statistics for instance, and Japanese carpentry became more advanced than Western carpentry. Japan also independently invented silviculture and forestry, though admittedly after Germans did.

    Not that these interesting facts make your overall point incorrect, as obviously access to the outside world facilitates modernization.
    , @songbird
    America is far from faultless. But its industrial and technical mights (the only distinction when it came to the bombings) weren't moral failings in themselves. As to the ethics of actual bombings, I'd rather emulate the Japanese, who you favor for their intelligence, and not abase my country before a sea of rabid, civilization-destroying SJWs as the Germans have.
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  193. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry

    Are you really comparing the exclusion zone to the Japanese treatment of civilians? A case can even be made that the US treated Germans worse.
     
    Lol this is not really helping the argument that American behaviour was faultless.

    I would not say that Japanese society was more advanced, smarter, or inherently better than American. When Perry’s fleet steamed into Japan, the Japanese thought their ships were on fire because steam power was beyond their conception.
     
    Because the Americans imported steamboat technology from the English, who invented it. Meanwhile Japan was closed to foreigners for 220 years.

    Which is not to say America didn't go on to create some of history's most amazing achievements on the technological, if not moral level - Manhattan Project being the ultimate example of this.

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  194. @Dmitry

    Are you really comparing the exclusion zone to the Japanese treatment of civilians? A case can even be made that the US treated Germans worse.
     
    Lol this is not really helping the argument that American behaviour was faultless.

    I would not say that Japanese society was more advanced, smarter, or inherently better than American. When Perry’s fleet steamed into Japan, the Japanese thought their ships were on fire because steam power was beyond their conception.
     
    Because the Americans imported steamboat technology from the English, who invented it. Meanwhile Japan was closed to foreigners for 220 years.

    Which is not to say America didn't go on to create some of history's most amazing achievements on the technological, if not moral level - Manhattan Project being the ultimate example of this.

    Japan maintained some limited contacts with the outside world.

    A small amount of trade was conducted with China, Korea, and the Dutch.

    Through the Dutch, the Japanese even monitored foreign technological and scientific developments. This was known as “Rangaku”, meaning Dutch learning.

    Almost certainly the Japanese already knew about steam power at the time Perry arrived, but the men at the harbor did not.

    There was also interesting indigenous Japanese innovation during the Tokugawa Shogunate. They invented sports statistics for instance, and Japanese carpentry became more advanced than Western carpentry. Japan also independently invented silviculture and forestry, though admittedly after Germans did.

    Not that these interesting facts make your overall point incorrect, as obviously access to the outside world facilitates modernization.

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    I think that America challenged Japan in a way that Portugal and Holland could not. The result was that they formed a resolve to progress faster than they would have otherwise.

    The Netherlands had gone into decline and weren't the serious naval power they were when they earned the name "Dutch" as a distinction from their non-power German brethren. Portugal was even more minor. The US was already beginning to show its potentiality as a serious power in the Pacific.
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  195. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Japan maintained some limited contacts with the outside world.

    A small amount of trade was conducted with China, Korea, and the Dutch.

    Through the Dutch, the Japanese even monitored foreign technological and scientific developments. This was known as "Rangaku", meaning Dutch learning.

    Almost certainly the Japanese already knew about steam power at the time Perry arrived, but the men at the harbor did not.

    There was also interesting indigenous Japanese innovation during the Tokugawa Shogunate. They invented sports statistics for instance, and Japanese carpentry became more advanced than Western carpentry. Japan also independently invented silviculture and forestry, though admittedly after Germans did.

    Not that these interesting facts make your overall point incorrect, as obviously access to the outside world facilitates modernization.

    I think that America challenged Japan in a way that Portugal and Holland could not. The result was that they formed a resolve to progress faster than they would have otherwise.

    The Netherlands had gone into decline and weren’t the serious naval power they were when they earned the name “Dutch” as a distinction from their non-power German brethren. Portugal was even more minor. The US was already beginning to show its potentiality as a serious power in the Pacific.

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    There were a number of incidents prior to Perry's arrival, including half a century before a British warship essentially threatening to blow up Nagasaki harbor if it didn't get provisions.

    Perry's arrival effectively catalyzed the pro-Western modernizers into launching a civil war.
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  196. @songbird
    I think that America challenged Japan in a way that Portugal and Holland could not. The result was that they formed a resolve to progress faster than they would have otherwise.

    The Netherlands had gone into decline and weren't the serious naval power they were when they earned the name "Dutch" as a distinction from their non-power German brethren. Portugal was even more minor. The US was already beginning to show its potentiality as a serious power in the Pacific.

    There were a number of incidents prior to Perry’s arrival, including half a century before a British warship essentially threatening to blow up Nagasaki harbor if it didn’t get provisions.

    Perry’s arrival effectively catalyzed the pro-Western modernizers into launching a civil war.

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  197. utu says:
    @Jon0815

    The US helped save the lives of 100,000s of its servicemen and millions of Japanese by nuking Japan.
     
    Were North Koreans 50x tougher than Japanese? During the Korean War, North Korea didn't capitulate after losing 20% of its population to US conventional bombing, vs. Japan's loss of less than 1% of its population to the atomic bombings (and Japan didn't consider surrender after losing more people in the March 9 firebombing of Tokyo, than it did at Nagasaki).

    Although at the time it was in the interests of both the USA and Japan to pretend otherwise, in reality the primary factor in Japan's surrender was the Soviet declaration of war and swift victory in Manchuria (a side effect of the myth that the atom bomb deserves the credit, which I find particularly annoying, is the existence of all the silly alternate history stories where Hitler conquers the USA just by nuking New York and DC).

    The primary obstacle to Japan's surrender, seems to have been that the USA refused to explicitly promise to let the Japanese keep their Emperor. If so, then the atom bombings could have been avoided simply by the USA agreeing beforehand to do what it did afterwards anyway. And while the American position on the Emperor's postwar status was publicly unstated, the Soviets would certainly have had him shot, so to the Japanese an American occupation was clearly preferable to a Soviet one.

    Even if the Japanese had waited to surrender until the Soviets were actually landing on Hokkaido, that still would have happened before the end of 1945, and quite possibly before the US invasion of southern Japan began in November.

    It also saved the lives of 10,000′s Soviet servicemen and prevented the creation of the Hokkaido SSR, which would have gotten independent eventually anyway to zero benefit to Russia.
     
    Maybe, assuming that during the months before the Hokkaido landings, the increasing imminence of a Soviet invasion did not cause the USA to drop its insistence on an unconditional surrender, or the Japanese did not to agree to surrender without a public US commitment to keep the Emperor.

    But 10,000′s wouldn't even be a rounding error in the context of overall Soviet WWII losses, and the existence of a Hokkaido SSR (or North Japan satellite state) would have so unpredictably scrambled post-WWII history, that it's impossible to say whether Russia today would be significantly better or worse off as a result.

    Anyway, it is still both morally correct and in the self-interest of Russian nationalists to condemn war atrocities committed by the USA, regardless of whether those atrocities were incidentally beneficial to Russia (which in this case is unclear).


    It absolutely baffles me why any let alone so many Russians criticize or condemn the US for its righteous atomic annihilations of the Japs.
     
    I think it's strange that a Russian nationalist thinks its a good idea for Russians to join neocons and 'Murica types in being Hiroshima apologists, thereby relinquishing a good talking point with which to hit back at the USA for its hypocrisy, when it attacks Russia for civilian deaths in Aleppo or wherever.

    I suppose the explanation is some combination of runaway atomophilia, and ideological tribalism (liberal cucks condemn the deliberate mass murder of 100,000s of Japanese women and children, therefore non-liberal cucks must embrace it).

    I think it’s strange that a Russian nationalist thinks its a good idea for Russians to join neocons and ‘Murica types in being Hiroshima apologists

    Makes you wonder.

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  198. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    Are you really comparing the exclusion zone to the Japanese treatment of civilians? A case can even be made that the US treated Germans worse.
     
    Lol this is not really helping the argument that American behaviour was faultless.

    I would not say that Japanese society was more advanced, smarter, or inherently better than American. When Perry’s fleet steamed into Japan, the Japanese thought their ships were on fire because steam power was beyond their conception.
     
    Because the Americans imported steamboat technology from the English, who invented it. Meanwhile Japan was closed to foreigners for 220 years.

    Which is not to say America didn't go on to create some of history's most amazing achievements on the technological, if not moral level - Manhattan Project being the ultimate example of this.

    America is far from faultless. But its industrial and technical mights (the only distinction when it came to the bombings) weren’t moral failings in themselves. As to the ethics of actual bombings, I’d rather emulate the Japanese, who you favor for their intelligence, and not abase my country before a sea of rabid, civilization-destroying SJWs as the Germans have.

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    I’d rather emulate the Japanese, who you favor for their intelligence, and not abase my country before a sea of rabid, civilization-destroying SJWs as the Germans have.
     
    Yes it's admirable Japan could so well protect their culture in the post-war, even while being almost as much defeated and occupied as Germany.

    But I think they may have the 'unfair' intrinsic advantages compared to Germany, of greater geographical and linguist isolation from other countries.

    They have better cultural insulation than countries even that are unaligned politically with the West by comparison, like Russia.

    In Japan's case, the American post-war occupation indeed seems humane and constructive, in opposition to what came before it.

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  199. Dmitry says:
    @songbird
    America is far from faultless. But its industrial and technical mights (the only distinction when it came to the bombings) weren't moral failings in themselves. As to the ethics of actual bombings, I'd rather emulate the Japanese, who you favor for their intelligence, and not abase my country before a sea of rabid, civilization-destroying SJWs as the Germans have.

    I’d rather emulate the Japanese, who you favor for their intelligence, and not abase my country before a sea of rabid, civilization-destroying SJWs as the Germans have.

    Yes it’s admirable Japan could so well protect their culture in the post-war, even while being almost as much defeated and occupied as Germany.

    But I think they may have the ‘unfair’ intrinsic advantages compared to Germany, of greater geographical and linguist isolation from other countries.

    They have better cultural insulation than countries even that are unaligned politically with the West by comparison, like Russia.

    In Japan’s case, the American post-war occupation indeed seems humane and constructive, in opposition to what came before it.

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  200. songbird says:

    But I think they may have the ‘unfair’ intrinsic advantages compared to Germany, of greater geographical and linguist isolation from other countries.

    Indeed. Europe’s geography may have been its blessing at one point, as differing kingdoms competed with each other spurring technical innovations, but in modern times, these small but peaceful variegated countries so close to each other may be a curse, in that the meeting of closely related peoples from different countries inspires a false sense of universality, which inevitably becomes overextended.

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  201. Bliss says:
    @German_reader

    if you watch anything from the ’70s or ’80s taking place in California
     
    I remember once having watched American Graffiti by George Lucas which is set in early 1960s California, and iirc had a completely white cast. I found that rather disturbing when one knows what happened later, in a relatively short time.
    Anti-Japanese racism has of course been long a prominent theme in US media, iirc there was even a Hollywood film already back in the 1950s which had evil rednecks murder a Japanese farmer shortly after Pearl Harbor. There was also a similar plotline in the horrible tv series Cold case a few years ago. That series was about unsolved old murder cases and was quite interesting in how it presented the American past: a very large proportion of the episodes dealt with murders out of racism, antisemitism, homophobia or misogyny. It was like seeing in a condensed form how liberals imagine the past.

    That series was about unsolved old murder cases and was quite interesting in how it presented the American past: a very large proportion of the episodes dealt with murders out of racism, antisemitism, homophobia or misogyny. It was like seeing in a condensed form how liberals imagine the past

    .

    What do you mean “imagine the past”? That’s the growing reality of the present as well, much to the glee of your ilk.

    Isn’t that what “red pilling” is all about?

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    That’s the growing reality of the present as well
     
    Growing reality of the present, at least in Europe, are rather the many horrible crimes committed by non-European immigrants and the intimidation and terror directed against patriots by the state and brutal left-wing thugs.
    And even most people of my ilk don't want to bring back slavery or colonialism, so by historical standards we're fairly progressive.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Its call overrepresentation. The vast majority of crimes committed then, due to majority white population, were whites against whites. And it also basically fails in giving an accurate portrayal of the past by underrepresenting the importance of class, which was pretty paramount at the time.
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  202. @Bliss

    That series was about unsolved old murder cases and was quite interesting in how it presented the American past: a very large proportion of the episodes dealt with murders out of racism, antisemitism, homophobia or misogyny. It was like seeing in a condensed form how liberals imagine the past
     
    .

    What do you mean “imagine the past”? That’s the growing reality of the present as well, much to the glee of your ilk.

    Isn’t that what “red pilling” is all about?

    That’s the growing reality of the present as well

    Growing reality of the present, at least in Europe, are rather the many horrible crimes committed by non-European immigrants and the intimidation and terror directed against patriots by the state and brutal left-wing thugs.
    And even most people of my ilk don’t want to bring back slavery or colonialism, so by historical standards we’re fairly progressive.

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  203. Bliss says:
    @German_reader

    in particular we have a case where, objectively, the Americans were against a more intelligent, higher-IQ population and more civilized culture
     
    WW2 Japanese weren't especially civilized and committed plenty of atrocities. The war in the Pacific had elements of a race war not least because of the absolutely appalling behaviour of the Japanese towards prisoners and subjected populations.
    American reactions can certainly be seen as rather excessive (as they often are), burning 100 000 civilians in Tokyo in a single night was pretty extreme. But the Japanese had given Americans plenty of reasons for hate with the Bataan death march and numerous other war crimes.

    The war in the Pacific had elements of a race war not least because of the absolutely appalling behaviour of the Japanese

    No wonder their biggest fans are the guys who are always fantasizing about race wars: Stormfronters and their ilk.

    However, the biggest victims of Japanese atrocities were other asians, especially the Chinese. So, not really a race war in the broad meaning of the word. Though it had elements of it.

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  204. So E3 is happening. There are only two games I am interested in out of all the trailers released thus far.

    Release date is now Feb 2019. I’m quite stoked about this game. Though it has a dedicated fanbase, it does feel like it could be a sleeper hit and truly hit the mainstream like Dead Souls did, despite also having a more unforgiving reputation, it became quite popular with the normies. The same thing could happen here and that’d be great, given that there are few truly great story-driven games done these days.

    And then there’s this. CP2077 is so massively hyped now, it is hard not to be disappointed given the huge expectations. I saw that the original creator of the CP2077 series slammed the trailer, but then again, Sapkowski himself had sour grapes over the Witcher series. Part of the reason could be that both were dumb enough to accept a single lumpsum instead of a percentage of gross income over time and are now smarting over it.

    Release is not yet confirmed, which is a bad sign. CDPR got hacked some years back which probably set back production. Now I am only waiting for M&B: Bannerlord to show some signs of life.

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    is retro gaming popular at all in Poland?
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Metro's looking really good. I'm assuming that more of it takes place on the surface now?
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Oh well, looks like I need to start preparing up for a GPU upgrade. Hope there isn't another BTC spike in the next year.
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  205. @Polish Perspective
    So E3 is happening. There are only two games I am interested in out of all the trailers released thus far.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMVIzeof4A


    Release date is now Feb 2019. I'm quite stoked about this game. Though it has a dedicated fanbase, it does feel like it could be a sleeper hit and truly hit the mainstream like Dead Souls did, despite also having a more unforgiving reputation, it became quite popular with the normies. The same thing could happen here and that'd be great, given that there are few truly great story-driven games done these days.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMVIzeof4A

    And then there's this. CP2077 is so massively hyped now, it is hard not to be disappointed given the huge expectations. I saw that the original creator of the CP2077 series slammed the trailer, but then again, Sapkowski himself had sour grapes over the Witcher series. Part of the reason could be that both were dumb enough to accept a single lumpsum instead of a percentage of gross income over time and are now smarting over it.

    Release is not yet confirmed, which is a bad sign. CDPR got hacked some years back which probably set back production. Now I am only waiting for M&B: Bannerlord to show some signs of life.

    is retro gaming popular at all in Poland?

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    What's retro gaming? Playing games from 30 years ago?
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  206. @Greasy William
    is retro gaming popular at all in Poland?

    What’s retro gaming? Playing games from 30 years ago?

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    yeah.

    For me I love what I call "Nintendo" games. I don't how old you are or what games were like in Germany when you were growing up, but when I was kid there was only one home gaming system, the "Nintendo".

    Actually, it was the Nintendo Entertainment System or NES and today it is always referred to either as "the nes (pronounced 'nez') or "the N.E.S.". If you were to say "Nintendo" today, people would think you were talking about whatever their latest piece of shit system was.

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.

    The NES did, in fact, have competitors in the same gaming generation: The Sega Master System and the Atari 7800. Not only have I never seen one of those systems in person but I didn't even become aware of their existence until 3 years ago. Surprisingly, both the Master System and the 7800 were commercially successful, as in, they turned a profit. But they didn't bring in the ridiculous amounts of cash that the NES did.

    So anyway, since the NES was my first system I think a lot of people would say, "oh, your just nostalgic for it so that is why you like it's games the best". But I don't think that's it at all. After all, I had a Sega Genesis, and then a Sega Saturn and then a Sega Dreamcast and while I do feel nostalgic for those years sometimes, I never have any inclination to go back and play those games again.

    To me, the side scrolling, NES platformers and beat em ups are the pinnacle of gaming. I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now. I was at my friend's apartment about 8 years ago and they were playing Call of Duty and when I tried I couldn't even get past the practice level. I remember thinking that that actually doing the obstacle course in real life would have been easier then trying to get through the level, but supposedly most people don't find it difficult at all.

    When I was a senior in high school, emulators were becoming a thing. I was rarely going to class by then so I spent a lot of the year playing games that I got stuck on as a small child. Here are some of the NES games I ended up beating: Robocop, Batman (generally regarded as one of the greatest games of all time), Megaman and Megaman II. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that I beat any games besides those so I don't really know what I did the rest of the year. I remember playing old NES games on my computer and watching a lot of Blind Date but the rest of the year is kinda a blur. In hindsight, I'm not sure I was particularly sober for much of the time in those days.

    ::weeps for lost youth::
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  207. @German_reader
    What's retro gaming? Playing games from 30 years ago?

    yeah.

    For me I love what I call “Nintendo” games. I don’t how old you are or what games were like in Germany when you were growing up, but when I was kid there was only one home gaming system, the “Nintendo”.

    Actually, it was the Nintendo Entertainment System or NES and today it is always referred to either as “the nes (pronounced ‘nez’) or “the N.E.S.”. If you were to say “Nintendo” today, people would think you were talking about whatever their latest piece of shit system was.

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.

    The NES did, in fact, have competitors in the same gaming generation: The Sega Master System and the Atari 7800. Not only have I never seen one of those systems in person but I didn’t even become aware of their existence until 3 years ago. Surprisingly, both the Master System and the 7800 were commercially successful, as in, they turned a profit. But they didn’t bring in the ridiculous amounts of cash that the NES did.

    So anyway, since the NES was my first system I think a lot of people would say, “oh, your just nostalgic for it so that is why you like it’s games the best”. But I don’t think that’s it at all. After all, I had a Sega Genesis, and then a Sega Saturn and then a Sega Dreamcast and while I do feel nostalgic for those years sometimes, I never have any inclination to go back and play those games again.

    To me, the side scrolling, NES platformers and beat em ups are the pinnacle of gaming. I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now. I was at my friend’s apartment about 8 years ago and they were playing Call of Duty and when I tried I couldn’t even get past the practice level. I remember thinking that that actually doing the obstacle course in real life would have been easier then trying to get through the level, but supposedly most people don’t find it difficult at all.

    When I was a senior in high school, emulators were becoming a thing. I was rarely going to class by then so I spent a lot of the year playing games that I got stuck on as a small child. Here are some of the NES games I ended up beating: Robocop, Batman (generally regarded as one of the greatest games of all time), Megaman and Megaman II. Now that I think about it, I’m not sure that I beat any games besides those so I don’t really know what I did the rest of the year. I remember playing old NES games on my computer and watching a lot of Blind Date but the rest of the year is kinda a blur. In hindsight, I’m not sure I was particularly sober for much of the time in those days.

    ::weeps for lost youth::

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    I don't really know much about console games tbh, saw them as a child at a friend's home, but never had a console myself. I always was more into pc gaming (adventures, rpgs, occasional strategy games even though I was bad at those).

    I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now.
     
    Apart from a few exceptions (e.g. the first Half-Life) they never did much for me either. I've never gotten the people who play such games in quasi-competitive settings and who memorize map layouts and the like for that. Seems overly stressful for a game.

    ::weeps for lost youth::
     
    Don't worry, you're not the only one :-(
    , @AP

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.
     
    I got one when it was brand new. Still have it, in mint condition. I wonder how much it is worth?
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  208. @Greasy William
    yeah.

    For me I love what I call "Nintendo" games. I don't how old you are or what games were like in Germany when you were growing up, but when I was kid there was only one home gaming system, the "Nintendo".

    Actually, it was the Nintendo Entertainment System or NES and today it is always referred to either as "the nes (pronounced 'nez') or "the N.E.S.". If you were to say "Nintendo" today, people would think you were talking about whatever their latest piece of shit system was.

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.

    The NES did, in fact, have competitors in the same gaming generation: The Sega Master System and the Atari 7800. Not only have I never seen one of those systems in person but I didn't even become aware of their existence until 3 years ago. Surprisingly, both the Master System and the 7800 were commercially successful, as in, they turned a profit. But they didn't bring in the ridiculous amounts of cash that the NES did.

    So anyway, since the NES was my first system I think a lot of people would say, "oh, your just nostalgic for it so that is why you like it's games the best". But I don't think that's it at all. After all, I had a Sega Genesis, and then a Sega Saturn and then a Sega Dreamcast and while I do feel nostalgic for those years sometimes, I never have any inclination to go back and play those games again.

    To me, the side scrolling, NES platformers and beat em ups are the pinnacle of gaming. I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now. I was at my friend's apartment about 8 years ago and they were playing Call of Duty and when I tried I couldn't even get past the practice level. I remember thinking that that actually doing the obstacle course in real life would have been easier then trying to get through the level, but supposedly most people don't find it difficult at all.

    When I was a senior in high school, emulators were becoming a thing. I was rarely going to class by then so I spent a lot of the year playing games that I got stuck on as a small child. Here are some of the NES games I ended up beating: Robocop, Batman (generally regarded as one of the greatest games of all time), Megaman and Megaman II. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that I beat any games besides those so I don't really know what I did the rest of the year. I remember playing old NES games on my computer and watching a lot of Blind Date but the rest of the year is kinda a blur. In hindsight, I'm not sure I was particularly sober for much of the time in those days.

    ::weeps for lost youth::

    I don’t really know much about console games tbh, saw them as a child at a friend’s home, but never had a console myself. I always was more into pc gaming (adventures, rpgs, occasional strategy games even though I was bad at those).

    I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now.

    Apart from a few exceptions (e.g. the first Half-Life) they never did much for me either. I’ve never gotten the people who play such games in quasi-competitive settings and who memorize map layouts and the like for that. Seems overly stressful for a game.

    ::weeps for lost youth::

    Don’t worry, you’re not the only one :-(

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    wasn't half life an RPG?

    There was this summer when my brother was playing Half Life for 6 or 7 hours a day, and one night we were in this ice cream store and he said something that I ignored and then just started staring at me. So I was like, "what are you doing?" And then he seemed to snap out of it and he said, "oh sorry. I've been playing so much Half Life that I was thinking that now it was your 'turn'." I guess Half Life is turn based or something, I dunno, I never played it.

    There was one PC game I played as a kid called Quest for Glory: So You Want to be a Hero. Maybe you've heard of it. That game was awesome. I think it is regarded as one of the best RPG's ever.

    Don’t worry, you’re not the only one :-(
     
    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let's say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You'd be miserable because you really wouldn't be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it's gone, it's gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I'd be thinking "shit, I guess I better start getting ready".
    , @Yevardian
    Basically the same for me. After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.

    Greasy never even played Half Life?? How young is he?


    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let’s say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You’d be miserable because you really wouldn’t be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it’s gone, it’s gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.
     

    Very true. Probably the best thing Greasy has ever written here. I'm afraid I'll never regain the sense of wonder I once had for everything new, which I seemed to lose at about 21-22 in retrospect.
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  209. @German_reader
    I don't really know much about console games tbh, saw them as a child at a friend's home, but never had a console myself. I always was more into pc gaming (adventures, rpgs, occasional strategy games even though I was bad at those).

    I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now.
     
    Apart from a few exceptions (e.g. the first Half-Life) they never did much for me either. I've never gotten the people who play such games in quasi-competitive settings and who memorize map layouts and the like for that. Seems overly stressful for a game.

    ::weeps for lost youth::
     
    Don't worry, you're not the only one :-(

    wasn’t half life an RPG?

    There was this summer when my brother was playing Half Life for 6 or 7 hours a day, and one night we were in this ice cream store and he said something that I ignored and then just started staring at me. So I was like, “what are you doing?” And then he seemed to snap out of it and he said, “oh sorry. I’ve been playing so much Half Life that I was thinking that now it was your ‘turn’.” I guess Half Life is turn based or something, I dunno, I never played it.

    There was one PC game I played as a kid called Quest for Glory: So You Want to be a Hero. Maybe you’ve heard of it. That game was awesome. I think it is regarded as one of the best RPG’s ever.

    Don’t worry, you’re not the only one :-(

    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let’s say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You’d be miserable because you really wouldn’t be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it’s gone, it’s gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.

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    I guess Half Life is turn based or something, I dunno, I never played it.
     
    No, it was a first-person shooter. Its story (if one can call it that) was the usual gaming nonsense, something about an alien invasion at a secret research facility, but the way it was told was quite immersive and innovative for the time. Crazy to realize that this was already 20 years ago.

    There was one PC game I played as a kid called Quest for Glory: So You Want to be a Hero
     
    Heard of it, but never played it. If I understand correctly, it was kind of a hybrid between adventure and rpg, which does sound like a fun concept.

    Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.
     
    Perception of time definitely changes with age, it seems to pass faster and faster (at least that's the case for me). You also become more aware of your own mortality when you realize how much of your life has already passed. I can't say I'm fond of the change.
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  210. @Greasy William
    wasn't half life an RPG?

    There was this summer when my brother was playing Half Life for 6 or 7 hours a day, and one night we were in this ice cream store and he said something that I ignored and then just started staring at me. So I was like, "what are you doing?" And then he seemed to snap out of it and he said, "oh sorry. I've been playing so much Half Life that I was thinking that now it was your 'turn'." I guess Half Life is turn based or something, I dunno, I never played it.

    There was one PC game I played as a kid called Quest for Glory: So You Want to be a Hero. Maybe you've heard of it. That game was awesome. I think it is regarded as one of the best RPG's ever.

    Don’t worry, you’re not the only one :-(
     
    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let's say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You'd be miserable because you really wouldn't be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it's gone, it's gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I'd be thinking "shit, I guess I better start getting ready".

    I guess Half Life is turn based or something, I dunno, I never played it.

    No, it was a first-person shooter. Its story (if one can call it that) was the usual gaming nonsense, something about an alien invasion at a secret research facility, but the way it was told was quite immersive and innovative for the time. Crazy to realize that this was already 20 years ago.

    There was one PC game I played as a kid called Quest for Glory: So You Want to be a Hero

    Heard of it, but never played it. If I understand correctly, it was kind of a hybrid between adventure and rpg, which does sound like a fun concept.

    Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.

    Perception of time definitely changes with age, it seems to pass faster and faster (at least that’s the case for me). You also become more aware of your own mortality when you realize how much of your life has already passed. I can’t say I’m fond of the change.

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  211. Trump has managed to get NK to give up its nukes???
    How did that happen?

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    Don't believe the hype.

    It's a very vague, agreement in principle. If you compare it to the 1993 and 2005 agreements, both of those were more comprehensive and as we know, they didn't work out (although it is unclear if the 1993 agreement was ruined by Kim Sr. or the W. Bush administration).

    As of now, Kim got a summit without giving up anything or even meaningfully committing to giving up anything. I'm somewhat optimistic but literally nothing has happened yet and I have no trust in Kim at all.

    I can't see this changing anybody's vote either in November or in 2020 no matter what happens so I don't see this having any impact on American domestic politics. Internationally, however, if a deal is made maybe Iran, Saudi Arabia and the US can work out an agreement to get the US back in the nuclear accord.

    Internationally, the most important thing has be resolving the standoff with Russia over Ukraine. Europe can be bulldozed but I don't see Republicans in Congress ever going along with a Russia accord. I would even go as far as to say that congressional Republicans are more hostile to Russia than congressional Democrats, as hard as that may be to believe.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Treating Kim and his state as rational rather than demons certainly helps.

    As, oddly, does the existence of retired basketball star Dennis Rodman and his friendship with both leaders.

    This is something everyone should remember the next time some Very Serious Person says that an unorthodox politician is not acceptable because he isn't boring and doesn't agree with the op-eds printed in The Ecommunist.

    Of course Greasy is right that Kim hasn't given up his nukes yet (he has only agreed in principle), and no doubt the American Dweeb State will do everything in its power to sabotage relations with North Korea.

    I am optimistic on the Ukraine, but not on Iran. Unless maybe Trump replaces Fox Bolton and/or Mike Pompeo with Tulsi Gabbard or Dana Rohrabacher (who should've been Secretary of State to begin with).
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  212. @German_reader
    Trump has managed to get NK to give up its nukes???
    How did that happen?

    Don’t believe the hype.

    It’s a very vague, agreement in principle. If you compare it to the 1993 and 2005 agreements, both of those were more comprehensive and as we know, they didn’t work out (although it is unclear if the 1993 agreement was ruined by Kim Sr. or the W. Bush administration).

    As of now, Kim got a summit without giving up anything or even meaningfully committing to giving up anything. I’m somewhat optimistic but literally nothing has happened yet and I have no trust in Kim at all.

    I can’t see this changing anybody’s vote either in November or in 2020 no matter what happens so I don’t see this having any impact on American domestic politics. Internationally, however, if a deal is made maybe Iran, Saudi Arabia and the US can work out an agreement to get the US back in the nuclear accord.

    Internationally, the most important thing has be resolving the standoff with Russia over Ukraine. Europe can be bulldozed but I don’t see Republicans in Congress ever going along with a Russia accord. I would even go as far as to say that congressional Republicans are more hostile to Russia than congressional Democrats, as hard as that may be to believe.

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    Yes, would probably have been too good to be true, one has to be skeptical.
    I don't really see how anything could change for the better on the Iran and Ukraine issues either tbh.
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  213. @Greasy William
    Don't believe the hype.

    It's a very vague, agreement in principle. If you compare it to the 1993 and 2005 agreements, both of those were more comprehensive and as we know, they didn't work out (although it is unclear if the 1993 agreement was ruined by Kim Sr. or the W. Bush administration).

    As of now, Kim got a summit without giving up anything or even meaningfully committing to giving up anything. I'm somewhat optimistic but literally nothing has happened yet and I have no trust in Kim at all.

    I can't see this changing anybody's vote either in November or in 2020 no matter what happens so I don't see this having any impact on American domestic politics. Internationally, however, if a deal is made maybe Iran, Saudi Arabia and the US can work out an agreement to get the US back in the nuclear accord.

    Internationally, the most important thing has be resolving the standoff with Russia over Ukraine. Europe can be bulldozed but I don't see Republicans in Congress ever going along with a Russia accord. I would even go as far as to say that congressional Republicans are more hostile to Russia than congressional Democrats, as hard as that may be to believe.

    Yes, would probably have been too good to be true, one has to be skeptical.
    I don’t really see how anything could change for the better on the Iran and Ukraine issues either tbh.

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    Iran, maybe. Ukraine, not for at least 10 years. This current crop of Republicans has it out for Russia in the extreme. It is not going to be easy to change such attitudes. Even the Gen X Republicans like Rubio and Cotton are anti Russia zealots.
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  214. @German_reader
    Yes, would probably have been too good to be true, one has to be skeptical.
    I don't really see how anything could change for the better on the Iran and Ukraine issues either tbh.

    Iran, maybe. Ukraine, not for at least 10 years. This current crop of Republicans has it out for Russia in the extreme. It is not going to be easy to change such attitudes. Even the Gen X Republicans like Rubio and Cotton are anti Russia zealots.

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    Ukraine, not for at least 10 years
     
    Frozen conflict is probably all one can hope for at this point. I'm not even sure what could be a solution tbh...a guarantee that Ukraine will never enter NATO (which would be madness anyway imo) and recognition of the annexation of Crimea, with wide-reaching autonomy for the east? All very unlikely right now.
    Regarding the Iran issue, I don't see how there can be any improvement on the nuclear deal. Frankly, I think a war is quite likely, and it will end badly for everyone involved imo.
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    Iran, maybe. Ukraine, not for at least 10 years. This current crop of Republicans has it out for Russia in the extreme. It is not going to be easy to change such attitudes. Even the Gen X Republicans like Rubio and Cotton are anti Russia zealots.

    Ukraine, not for at least 10 years

    Frozen conflict is probably all one can hope for at this point. I’m not even sure what could be a solution tbh…a guarantee that Ukraine will never enter NATO (which would be madness anyway imo) and recognition of the annexation of Crimea, with wide-reaching autonomy for the east? All very unlikely right now.
    Regarding the Iran issue, I don’t see how there can be any improvement on the nuclear deal. Frankly, I think a war is quite likely, and it will end badly for everyone involved imo.

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  216. Mitleser says:
    @reiner Tor
    The first two years (2016 and 2017) can be found on Wikipedia. It’s 2018 which is missing except for the first three.

    Scores according to a French twitter user:

    1st: Germany (Leopard 2A6) 1450 points

    2nd: Sweden (Stridsvagn 122) 1411

    3rd: Austria (Leopard 2A4) 1321

    4th: France (AMX-56 Leclerc) 1186

    5th: Poland (Leopard 2A5) 1151

    6th: UK (Challenger II) 1140

    7th: US (M1A2 SEP) 1100

    8th: Ukraine (T-84U) 950

    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305&page=2#entry1372477

    Poor performance of pro-Ukrainian team partly explained by T-84 fire control system failure during first day (“assault”). Defense day video – From about 2:00 tanker complain about dugouts too deep (as designed for Abrams) and T-84 was unable to see targets from it – so they were firing from open positions

    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372060

    Ukrops complain too much. Should ditch their tanks for superior Leo 2.

    Sweden managed a honourable second place after Germany and ahead of Austria. Well done! :) All three countries used various versions of the Leopard 2 which, I guess, means it is a really god tank.

    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372237

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    "Stridsvagn 122" is a Leopard 2 license-built in Sweden.

    The reason this was acquired over the M1 Abrams was that the Americans refused to install a toilet in the tank.

    , @AP
    Thanks for this post.

    Those two problems were worth about 150 lost points, which would place Ukraine where it was last year - about the same as Poland (a little worse this year, while it actually beat Poland last year). Ukraine would have been ahead of the UK and the US.

    There's a photo of results for the first 2 of 13 parts (the ones where Ukraine was affected by technical problems and too-deep dugout, respectively) here:

    https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?199458-Strong-Europe-Tank-Challenge-2018
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  217. @Mitleser

    Scores according to a French twitter user:


    1st: Germany (Leopard 2A6) 1450 points

    2nd: Sweden (Stridsvagn 122) 1411

    3rd: Austria (Leopard 2A4) 1321

    4th: France (AMX-56 Leclerc) 1186

    5th: Poland (Leopard 2A5) 1151

    6th: UK (Challenger II) 1140

    7th: US (M1A2 SEP) 1100

    8th: Ukraine (T-84U) 950
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305&page=2#entry1372477

    Poor performance of pro-Ukrainian team partly explained by T-84 fire control system failure during first day ("assault"). Defense day video - From about 2:00 tanker complain about dugouts too deep (as designed for Abrams) and T-84 was unable to see targets from it - so they were firing from open positions
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372060

    Ukrops complain too much. Should ditch their tanks for superior Leo 2.

    Sweden managed a honourable second place after Germany and ahead of Austria. Well done! :) All three countries used various versions of the Leopard 2 which, I guess, means it is a really god tank.
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372237

    “Stridsvagn 122″ is a Leopard 2 license-built in Sweden.

    The reason this was acquired over the M1 Abrams was that the Americans refused to install a toilet in the tank.

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  218. AP says:
    @Greasy William
    yeah.

    For me I love what I call "Nintendo" games. I don't how old you are or what games were like in Germany when you were growing up, but when I was kid there was only one home gaming system, the "Nintendo".

    Actually, it was the Nintendo Entertainment System or NES and today it is always referred to either as "the nes (pronounced 'nez') or "the N.E.S.". If you were to say "Nintendo" today, people would think you were talking about whatever their latest piece of shit system was.

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.

    The NES did, in fact, have competitors in the same gaming generation: The Sega Master System and the Atari 7800. Not only have I never seen one of those systems in person but I didn't even become aware of their existence until 3 years ago. Surprisingly, both the Master System and the 7800 were commercially successful, as in, they turned a profit. But they didn't bring in the ridiculous amounts of cash that the NES did.

    So anyway, since the NES was my first system I think a lot of people would say, "oh, your just nostalgic for it so that is why you like it's games the best". But I don't think that's it at all. After all, I had a Sega Genesis, and then a Sega Saturn and then a Sega Dreamcast and while I do feel nostalgic for those years sometimes, I never have any inclination to go back and play those games again.

    To me, the side scrolling, NES platformers and beat em ups are the pinnacle of gaming. I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now. I was at my friend's apartment about 8 years ago and they were playing Call of Duty and when I tried I couldn't even get past the practice level. I remember thinking that that actually doing the obstacle course in real life would have been easier then trying to get through the level, but supposedly most people don't find it difficult at all.

    When I was a senior in high school, emulators were becoming a thing. I was rarely going to class by then so I spent a lot of the year playing games that I got stuck on as a small child. Here are some of the NES games I ended up beating: Robocop, Batman (generally regarded as one of the greatest games of all time), Megaman and Megaman II. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that I beat any games besides those so I don't really know what I did the rest of the year. I remember playing old NES games on my computer and watching a lot of Blind Date but the rest of the year is kinda a blur. In hindsight, I'm not sure I was particularly sober for much of the time in those days.

    ::weeps for lost youth::

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.

    I got one when it was brand new. Still have it, in mint condition. I wonder how much it is worth?

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    like 5 bucks, probably. You can get a new NES for about 15.
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  219. AP says:
    @Mitleser

    Scores according to a French twitter user:


    1st: Germany (Leopard 2A6) 1450 points

    2nd: Sweden (Stridsvagn 122) 1411

    3rd: Austria (Leopard 2A4) 1321

    4th: France (AMX-56 Leclerc) 1186

    5th: Poland (Leopard 2A5) 1151

    6th: UK (Challenger II) 1140

    7th: US (M1A2 SEP) 1100

    8th: Ukraine (T-84U) 950
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305&page=2#entry1372477

    Poor performance of pro-Ukrainian team partly explained by T-84 fire control system failure during first day ("assault"). Defense day video - From about 2:00 tanker complain about dugouts too deep (as designed for Abrams) and T-84 was unable to see targets from it - so they were firing from open positions
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372060

    Ukrops complain too much. Should ditch their tanks for superior Leo 2.

    Sweden managed a honourable second place after Germany and ahead of Austria. Well done! :) All three countries used various versions of the Leopard 2 which, I guess, means it is a really god tank.
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372237

    Thanks for this post.

    Those two problems were worth about 150 lost points, which would place Ukraine where it was last year – about the same as Poland (a little worse this year, while it actually beat Poland last year). Ukraine would have been ahead of the UK and the US.

    There’s a photo of results for the first 2 of 13 parts (the ones where Ukraine was affected by technical problems and too-deep dugout, respectively) here:

    https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?199458-Strong-Europe-Tank-Challenge-2018

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    Were these technical problems due to chance? To me this doesn't seem to reflect well on the Ukrainian military.

    The dugout thing is strange and reflects badly on the test as an aid to eventual combat operations; something should be done about that.
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  220. @AP

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.
     
    I got one when it was brand new. Still have it, in mint condition. I wonder how much it is worth?

    like 5 bucks, probably. You can get a new NES for about 15.

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  221. songbird says:

    Just came across this interesting nugget: by 2100, Lagos, Nigeria is projected to have a population of 88 million people.

    I assume that is the metropolitan area and not the city limits, still I can’t even begin to conceive how it could be possible.

    Better revoke the Ottawa Treaty, and soon.

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  222. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader
    I don't really know much about console games tbh, saw them as a child at a friend's home, but never had a console myself. I always was more into pc gaming (adventures, rpgs, occasional strategy games even though I was bad at those).

    I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now.
     
    Apart from a few exceptions (e.g. the first Half-Life) they never did much for me either. I've never gotten the people who play such games in quasi-competitive settings and who memorize map layouts and the like for that. Seems overly stressful for a game.

    ::weeps for lost youth::
     
    Don't worry, you're not the only one :-(

    Basically the same for me. After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.

    Greasy never even played Half Life?? How young is he?

    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let’s say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You’d be miserable because you really wouldn’t be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it’s gone, it’s gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.

    Very true. Probably the best thing Greasy has ever written here. I’m afraid I’ll never regain the sense of wonder I once had for everything new, which I seemed to lose at about 21-22 in retrospect.

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    Of course I've heard of Half Life. And I'm not young at all. I never played it though. I remember my brother playing a game called Half Life 2 or something that was an RPG, definitely not an FPS.

    ...

    On the Left wing boards I read I am seeing a total split between the reaction of the America and Canadian posters and the Euro posters. The American and Canadian liberals are enraged and stomping their feet calling this a proto deal a criminal act whereas the Euros are cautiously optimistic and even saying that they hope Trump pulls it off.

    This gets to one of the fundamental differences between Euro liberals and US/Canadian liberals: Euro liberals are MUCH more anti war than US liberals are. US liberals are anti war but it is really more of a side issue. The reason that US liberals were so opposed to the 2nd Gulf War was because a Republican was waging it.

    For European liberals, in contrast, being anti war is a supreme value. Now I suspect that the leaders of of western Europe are all pro war on a personal level, but their publics are not and the western Euro leaders know it.

    tl;dr: American/Canadian liberals: war bad but not so important. Must stop Trump!
    Euro liberals: Trump bad but not so important. Must stop US wars.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    The magic of youth is just being around a bunch of other young people who also have nothing to do.

    That and quick recovery from hangovers.

    There's a physical aspect as well, but the physical aspect can be mitigated with proper techniques. I'm well into my 30s but still get carded when buying liquor and can plausibly claim to be under 25 when using "dating" apps like Tinder and Bumble. Genetics help but mainly lifestyle (LCHF, weight training, skincare).

    There's also the fact that as we get older we get less interested in new cultural production, so we remember what was noteworthy when we were young and bond with other people our age about it. I remember watching the film Patton with my father (which he had never seen, as it came out before he moved to North America), and he was excited to see Karl Malden in it (whom I only know of through the film). Probably thirty or forty years from now I'd be excited to see Freddie Prinze Jr. or something.

    You can still have a lot of fun and make new friends as you get older by getting into organized hobbies.

    , @German_reader

    After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.
     
    S.T.A.L.K.E.R games are great, good game mechanics and very atmospheric. I've never really liked shooters (because they're usually even dumber than games are anyway), but those games are very enjoyable (probably even more if one knows Russian).
    , @AaronB

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness.
     
    Quite recoverable through meditation and other religious techniques.

    Also travel and other activities that disrupt mundane ordinary life. The loss you are talking about is the disenchantment that happens in Western societies as you get older and increasingly have to deal with mechanistic tasks and are increasingly conditioned into a materialistic and mechanistic world view.

    It isn't a natural process, and not primarily about age.
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  223. @Yevardian
    Basically the same for me. After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.

    Greasy never even played Half Life?? How young is he?


    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let’s say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You’d be miserable because you really wouldn’t be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it’s gone, it’s gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.
     

    Very true. Probably the best thing Greasy has ever written here. I'm afraid I'll never regain the sense of wonder I once had for everything new, which I seemed to lose at about 21-22 in retrospect.

    Of course I’ve heard of Half Life. And I’m not young at all. I never played it though. I remember my brother playing a game called Half Life 2 or something that was an RPG, definitely not an FPS.

    On the Left wing boards I read I am seeing a total split between the reaction of the America and Canadian posters and the Euro posters. The American and Canadian liberals are enraged and stomping their feet calling this a proto deal a criminal act whereas the Euros are cautiously optimistic and even saying that they hope Trump pulls it off.

    This gets to one of the fundamental differences between Euro liberals and US/Canadian liberals: Euro liberals are MUCH more anti war than US liberals are. US liberals are anti war but it is really more of a side issue. The reason that US liberals were so opposed to the 2nd Gulf War was because a Republican was waging it.

    For European liberals, in contrast, being anti war is a supreme value. Now I suspect that the leaders of of western Europe are all pro war on a personal level, but their publics are not and the western Euro leaders know it.

    tl;dr: American/Canadian liberals: war bad but not so important. Must stop Trump!
    Euro liberals: Trump bad but not so important. Must stop US wars.

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    Half-Life 2, like the first one, was an FPS with innovative concepts and scale for the time. We would call such games as overengineered and overdesigned these days(and arguably it is, thus the lack of Half-Life 3). Fallout 1-2 were similar, and Fallout: New Vegas(Feargus' baby).

    Nonetheless, its one of the reasons why old games often are much more pieces of art than the much more mechanical production line these days - especially the Ubisoft games made by committee, and therefore lack much of even of the single design voice.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    While we're talking about games and before Dmitri finds a reason to post women, I think I can beat him to the punch and mention Bioshock Infinite, in my opinion one of the best and last art games from the US:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQZd5jGWUOo

    A little known fact: the main heroine, Elisabeth, was cosplayed so well by a Russian cosplayer Anna Moleva that she was hired to be the official face of Elisabeth.

    http://geekshizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Capture-480x181.jpg

    And this is probably the most well known image of her:

    http://geekshizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/elizabeth_by_ormeli-d46ljuj.jpg

    Because all things good must die, Bioshock did not sell well compared to say, Kandy Krush and the studio went out of business.

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  224. @Yevardian
    Basically the same for me. After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.

    Greasy never even played Half Life?? How young is he?


    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let’s say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You’d be miserable because you really wouldn’t be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it’s gone, it’s gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.
     

    Very true. Probably the best thing Greasy has ever written here. I'm afraid I'll never regain the sense of wonder I once had for everything new, which I seemed to lose at about 21-22 in retrospect.

    The magic of youth is just being around a bunch of other young people who also have nothing to do.

    That and quick recovery from hangovers.

    There’s a physical aspect as well, but the physical aspect can be mitigated with proper techniques. I’m well into my 30s but still get carded when buying liquor and can plausibly claim to be under 25 when using “dating” apps like Tinder and Bumble. Genetics help but mainly lifestyle (LCHF, weight training, skincare).

    There’s also the fact that as we get older we get less interested in new cultural production, so we remember what was noteworthy when we were young and bond with other people our age about it. I remember watching the film Patton with my father (which he had never seen, as it came out before he moved to North America), and he was excited to see Karl Malden in it (whom I only know of through the film). Probably thirty or forty years from now I’d be excited to see Freddie Prinze Jr. or something.

    You can still have a lot of fun and make new friends as you get older by getting into organized hobbies.

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  225. @Yevardian
    Basically the same for me. After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.

    Greasy never even played Half Life?? How young is he?


    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let’s say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You’d be miserable because you really wouldn’t be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it’s gone, it’s gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.
     

    Very true. Probably the best thing Greasy has ever written here. I'm afraid I'll never regain the sense of wonder I once had for everything new, which I seemed to lose at about 21-22 in retrospect.

    After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.

    S.T.A.L.K.E.R games are great, good game mechanics and very atmospheric. I’ve never really liked shooters (because they’re usually even dumber than games are anyway), but those games are very enjoyable (probably even more if one knows Russian).

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    Its interesting that some of STALKER's concepts remain novel to this day: testing for anomalies, mutant messing with your vision, and the general feel of powerlessness early on. Its unusual in a field where pretty much every concept gets copied/stolen right away.
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  226. @Bliss

    That series was about unsolved old murder cases and was quite interesting in how it presented the American past: a very large proportion of the episodes dealt with murders out of racism, antisemitism, homophobia or misogyny. It was like seeing in a condensed form how liberals imagine the past
     
    .

    What do you mean “imagine the past”? That’s the growing reality of the present as well, much to the glee of your ilk.

    Isn’t that what “red pilling” is all about?

    Its call overrepresentation. The vast majority of crimes committed then, due to majority white population, were whites against whites. And it also basically fails in giving an accurate portrayal of the past by underrepresenting the importance of class, which was pretty paramount at the time.

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  227. @Polish Perspective
    So E3 is happening. There are only two games I am interested in out of all the trailers released thus far.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMVIzeof4A


    Release date is now Feb 2019. I'm quite stoked about this game. Though it has a dedicated fanbase, it does feel like it could be a sleeper hit and truly hit the mainstream like Dead Souls did, despite also having a more unforgiving reputation, it became quite popular with the normies. The same thing could happen here and that'd be great, given that there are few truly great story-driven games done these days.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMVIzeof4A

    And then there's this. CP2077 is so massively hyped now, it is hard not to be disappointed given the huge expectations. I saw that the original creator of the CP2077 series slammed the trailer, but then again, Sapkowski himself had sour grapes over the Witcher series. Part of the reason could be that both were dumb enough to accept a single lumpsum instead of a percentage of gross income over time and are now smarting over it.

    Release is not yet confirmed, which is a bad sign. CDPR got hacked some years back which probably set back production. Now I am only waiting for M&B: Bannerlord to show some signs of life.

    Metro’s looking really good. I’m assuming that more of it takes place on the surface now?

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    Yes, I assume so as well.

    Though Metro 2035 (the novel) was almost entirely underground as well. And unlike the previous two, it was much more of a political polemic.
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  228. @Polish Perspective
    So E3 is happening. There are only two games I am interested in out of all the trailers released thus far.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMVIzeof4A


    Release date is now Feb 2019. I'm quite stoked about this game. Though it has a dedicated fanbase, it does feel like it could be a sleeper hit and truly hit the mainstream like Dead Souls did, despite also having a more unforgiving reputation, it became quite popular with the normies. The same thing could happen here and that'd be great, given that there are few truly great story-driven games done these days.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyMVIzeof4A

    And then there's this. CP2077 is so massively hyped now, it is hard not to be disappointed given the huge expectations. I saw that the original creator of the CP2077 series slammed the trailer, but then again, Sapkowski himself had sour grapes over the Witcher series. Part of the reason could be that both were dumb enough to accept a single lumpsum instead of a percentage of gross income over time and are now smarting over it.

    Release is not yet confirmed, which is a bad sign. CDPR got hacked some years back which probably set back production. Now I am only waiting for M&B: Bannerlord to show some signs of life.

    Oh well, looks like I need to start preparing up for a GPU upgrade. Hope there isn’t another BTC spike in the next year.

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  229. @Greasy William
    Of course I've heard of Half Life. And I'm not young at all. I never played it though. I remember my brother playing a game called Half Life 2 or something that was an RPG, definitely not an FPS.

    ...

    On the Left wing boards I read I am seeing a total split between the reaction of the America and Canadian posters and the Euro posters. The American and Canadian liberals are enraged and stomping their feet calling this a proto deal a criminal act whereas the Euros are cautiously optimistic and even saying that they hope Trump pulls it off.

    This gets to one of the fundamental differences between Euro liberals and US/Canadian liberals: Euro liberals are MUCH more anti war than US liberals are. US liberals are anti war but it is really more of a side issue. The reason that US liberals were so opposed to the 2nd Gulf War was because a Republican was waging it.

    For European liberals, in contrast, being anti war is a supreme value. Now I suspect that the leaders of of western Europe are all pro war on a personal level, but their publics are not and the western Euro leaders know it.

    tl;dr: American/Canadian liberals: war bad but not so important. Must stop Trump!
    Euro liberals: Trump bad but not so important. Must stop US wars.

    Half-Life 2, like the first one, was an FPS with innovative concepts and scale for the time. We would call such games as overengineered and overdesigned these days(and arguably it is, thus the lack of Half-Life 3). Fallout 1-2 were similar, and Fallout: New Vegas(Feargus’ baby).

    Nonetheless, its one of the reasons why old games often are much more pieces of art than the much more mechanical production line these days – especially the Ubisoft games made by committee, and therefore lack much of even of the single design voice.

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  230. @Daniel Chieh
    Metro's looking really good. I'm assuming that more of it takes place on the surface now?

    Yes, I assume so as well.

    Though Metro 2035 (the novel) was almost entirely underground as well. And unlike the previous two, it was much more of a political polemic.

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  231. AaronB says:
    @Yevardian
    Basically the same for me. After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.

    Greasy never even played Half Life?? How young is he?


    You know, the weird thing about the magic of youth is that very little of it has to do with anything physical. Let’s say you were able to go back now and be 17 again. You’d be miserable because you really wouldn’t be 17 at all. You would just be whatever age you are now except in a 17 year old body. So even if there was a literal fountain of youth, there would be no way to truly stay young forever.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness. And once it’s gone, it’s gone forever. I remember when I entered college thinking that graduation would never come, it was 4 years a way which to my 18 year old mind might as well have been 40 years. Now if you told me that something was coming up in 10 years I’d be thinking “shit, I guess I better start getting ready”.
     

    Very true. Probably the best thing Greasy has ever written here. I'm afraid I'll never regain the sense of wonder I once had for everything new, which I seemed to lose at about 21-22 in retrospect.

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness.

    Quite recoverable through meditation and other religious techniques.

    Also travel and other activities that disrupt mundane ordinary life. The loss you are talking about is the disenchantment that happens in Western societies as you get older and increasingly have to deal with mechanistic tasks and are increasingly conditioned into a materialistic and mechanistic world view.

    It isn’t a natural process, and not primarily about age.

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    I think part of the issue is that when you are young, you are able to find meaning in hedonistic materialism. That becomes impossible once the novelty wears off, even if you have access to an unlimited supply of Emily Ratajkowski clones.

    Or maybe it is better to say that the younger you are, the less need for meaning there is. When your 5 watching Star Trek with your father is all you need. When your 10 you can watch after school cartoons with your friends and that is good (although not as great things were when you were 5). Then in adolescence you go onto a new stage in life and drinking, fighting, getting with girls and competing for totally meaningless high school social status becomes something new and fulfilling.

    By the time your 25, you're jaded. Then you either have kids and start the cycle anew or you post comments on Unz about killing Lebanese people.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Well, the game Metro very much captured a lot of what I'd consider as modern sacralization of objects, and part of it has to be intentional, given the fact that while a sci-fi postapoc game, ghosts exist in it. But two parts stand out to me hugely:

    1) Early on, you're just a piddling guy among many and especially as its built up that you're going into a very hostile surface, there's a genuine sense of "hello conscript, time to die now." And then, abruptly as the sound of monsters surround you, the very air lights up around you and the monsters hiss in display as an armored light tank rolls up to take up position besides you.

    You see tanks in games all the time, but the overall setup really makes it feel like something like an ancient champion, an equalizer that makes the impossible happen.

    2) Its not until mid-game that you get an AK-47, very much an iconic weapon. You manage on and off for a long time and basically scrimp and save, but when you finally get the AK-47, its basically through the death of a friend that you've been travelling with and you get it right so you can avenge him with it, granting it meaning to the player on top of its iconic status. Watch the bandits scurry in terror at the sound of a real gun is pretty fun too.
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  232. @German_reader

    After being introduced to the genre with Half Life and Deus Ex, I was then disappointed to find just about all the other shooters to be pretty generic and boring in comparison.
     
    S.T.A.L.K.E.R games are great, good game mechanics and very atmospheric. I've never really liked shooters (because they're usually even dumber than games are anyway), but those games are very enjoyable (probably even more if one knows Russian).

    Its interesting that some of STALKER’s concepts remain novel to this day: testing for anomalies, mutant messing with your vision, and the general feel of powerlessness early on. Its unusual in a field where pretty much every concept gets copied/stolen right away.

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    ... general feel of powerlessness early on.
     
    Only sells in Eastern Europe, not North America (a 10x bigger market).
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  233. @AaronB

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness.
     
    Quite recoverable through meditation and other religious techniques.

    Also travel and other activities that disrupt mundane ordinary life. The loss you are talking about is the disenchantment that happens in Western societies as you get older and increasingly have to deal with mechanistic tasks and are increasingly conditioned into a materialistic and mechanistic world view.

    It isn't a natural process, and not primarily about age.

    I think part of the issue is that when you are young, you are able to find meaning in hedonistic materialism. That becomes impossible once the novelty wears off, even if you have access to an unlimited supply of Emily Ratajkowski clones.

    Or maybe it is better to say that the younger you are, the less need for meaning there is. When your 5 watching Star Trek with your father is all you need. When your 10 you can watch after school cartoons with your friends and that is good (although not as great things were when you were 5). Then in adolescence you go onto a new stage in life and drinking, fighting, getting with girls and competing for totally meaningless high school social status becomes something new and fulfilling.

    By the time your 25, you’re jaded. Then you either have kids and start the cycle anew or you post comments on Unz about killing Lebanese people.

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    Yes, there's a lot if truth in what you say.

    But at the same time I think industrial societies force people to change their relationship to the world as they grow up.

    When you're young you see the world as animated and alive, and yourself as more at one with it, while to function in an industrial society you must learn to see the world as inert, dead, and manipulable, and as outside of yourself and as other.

    So many things are just fun as a kid because you live in an enchanted forest. Just hanging with friends seems exciting and rife with possibility.

    Hunter gatherers maintain this attitude till their death and don't experience this devastating loss of dimension as they grow older.

    I started becoming interested in religion when I made the connection between religion and restoring an enchanted view of the world. In my youth religion was just a set of stifling rules and joy killing regulation - and its part of the reason religion died in the modern world, because it lost its mystical soul. I became an atheist early because I experienced religion as hostile to a sense of magic and enchantment.
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  234. @Daniel Chieh
    Its interesting that some of STALKER's concepts remain novel to this day: testing for anomalies, mutant messing with your vision, and the general feel of powerlessness early on. Its unusual in a field where pretty much every concept gets copied/stolen right away.

    … general feel of powerlessness early on.

    Only sells in Eastern Europe, not North America (a 10x bigger market).

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    Only sells in Eastern Europe
     
    Interesting, one of the few "new" games I've played in recent years (because my laptop can actually run it) is Age of decadence, which is a pretty hardcore rpg with difficult combat, set in a depressing post-apocalyptic world. It seems to have a disproportionately large and active fan base in Russia, which would support the idea that tastes are different.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    How popular is Dwarf Fortress in Russia, I wonder?
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  235. @Greasy William
    Of course I've heard of Half Life. And I'm not young at all. I never played it though. I remember my brother playing a game called Half Life 2 or something that was an RPG, definitely not an FPS.

    ...

    On the Left wing boards I read I am seeing a total split between the reaction of the America and Canadian posters and the Euro posters. The American and Canadian liberals are enraged and stomping their feet calling this a proto deal a criminal act whereas the Euros are cautiously optimistic and even saying that they hope Trump pulls it off.

    This gets to one of the fundamental differences between Euro liberals and US/Canadian liberals: Euro liberals are MUCH more anti war than US liberals are. US liberals are anti war but it is really more of a side issue. The reason that US liberals were so opposed to the 2nd Gulf War was because a Republican was waging it.

    For European liberals, in contrast, being anti war is a supreme value. Now I suspect that the leaders of of western Europe are all pro war on a personal level, but their publics are not and the western Euro leaders know it.

    tl;dr: American/Canadian liberals: war bad but not so important. Must stop Trump!
    Euro liberals: Trump bad but not so important. Must stop US wars.

    While we’re talking about games and before Dmitri finds a reason to post women, I think I can beat him to the punch and mention Bioshock Infinite, in my opinion one of the best and last art games from the US:

    A little known fact: the main heroine, Elisabeth, was cosplayed so well by a Russian cosplayer Anna Moleva that she was hired to be the official face of Elisabeth.

    And this is probably the most well known image of her:

    Because all things good must die, Bioshock did not sell well compared to say, Kandy Krush and the studio went out of business.

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    Bioshock did not sell well compared to say, Kandy Krush and the studio went out of business.
     
    That's good. The story was a shit-tier "le ebil white man, le ebil Comstock" and a thinly veiled morality play on how America is the cradle of evil and all white people who tried to keep it white were monsters for doing so. I was utterly shocked to find out that the main writer was a jew. Good riddance.
    , @Dmitry

    before Dmitri finds a reason to post women, I think
     
    This is nothing to do with me.

    I just posted music videos from youtube.

    The posting of women pictures is always from the user melanf.

    Probably he is busy in the office or his boss is over his shoulder. He has not done this for some weeks. "Look at this blonde girl. Imagine I am going to marry her, but I am confused - she is 1/4 Kalmyk, 1/4 Ossetian 1/2 Somali. Will they say on the American Nazi internet forum?"

    No offence if he reads this. Sure everyone - probably even Kalin - is feeling sad he is not doing this anymore

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  236. @Anatoly Karlin

    ... general feel of powerlessness early on.
     
    Only sells in Eastern Europe, not North America (a 10x bigger market).

    Only sells in Eastern Europe

    Interesting, one of the few “new” games I’ve played in recent years (because my laptop can actually run it) is Age of decadence, which is a pretty hardcore rpg with difficult combat, set in a depressing post-apocalyptic world. It seems to have a disproportionately large and active fan base in Russia, which would support the idea that tastes are different.

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  237. @AaronB

    The real magic of youth comes from a combination of novelty with a sense of timelessness.
     
    Quite recoverable through meditation and other religious techniques.

    Also travel and other activities that disrupt mundane ordinary life. The loss you are talking about is the disenchantment that happens in Western societies as you get older and increasingly have to deal with mechanistic tasks and are increasingly conditioned into a materialistic and mechanistic world view.

    It isn't a natural process, and not primarily about age.

    Well, the game Metro very much captured a lot of what I’d consider as modern sacralization of objects, and part of it has to be intentional, given the fact that while a sci-fi postapoc game, ghosts exist in it. But two parts stand out to me hugely:

    1) Early on, you’re just a piddling guy among many and especially as its built up that you’re going into a very hostile surface, there’s a genuine sense of “hello conscript, time to die now.” And then, abruptly as the sound of monsters surround you, the very air lights up around you and the monsters hiss in display as an armored light tank rolls up to take up position besides you.

    You see tanks in games all the time, but the overall setup really makes it feel like something like an ancient champion, an equalizer that makes the impossible happen.

    2) Its not until mid-game that you get an AK-47, very much an iconic weapon. You manage on and off for a long time and basically scrimp and save, but when you finally get the AK-47, its basically through the death of a friend that you’ve been travelling with and you get it right so you can avenge him with it, granting it meaning to the player on top of its iconic status. Watch the bandits scurry in terror at the sound of a real gun is pretty fun too.

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    Sounds very cool - you know, in principle there need not be this radical divide between technology and religion, and since it's unlikely technology will disappear and its equally unlikely atheism will last, it seems most likely technology will mesh with myth and legend in an interesting new synthesis.

    In fact, I even suspect major scientific advance depends on maintaining a psychological connection to the Unconscious, and we've recently lost our ability to innovate because the balance between rationality and inspiration has tipped too far in the direction of dry analysis.

    The idea of a tank as a mythic champion against supernatural monsters is a fascinating reversal of accepted norms and suggests that technology is already being absorbed into a mythic world view.

    Interesting times ahead.
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  238. @Anatoly Karlin

    ... general feel of powerlessness early on.
     
    Only sells in Eastern Europe, not North America (a 10x bigger market).

    How popular is Dwarf Fortress in Russia, I wonder?

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  239. @songbird

    Is Pearl Harbor really that important in the US today?
     
    In terms of being able to quote dates, it is probably the most remembered of the war, followed by a great distance by D-Day, and, I think, an even much greater distance by VE and VJ days. Many people go to Hawaii for vacation - making it the only prominent part of the US that was attacked. Many visit the Arizona memorial, which, I believe, is still releasing little globs of oil.

    Strategically it was not as important as Clarke Air Base in the Philippines, an attack that happened the next day, but nobody remembers that attack, which seems to have been an example of startling incompetence on the part of MacArthur.

    Having said that - it is really quite remarkable how Hollywood has influenced the culture. The Nazis are villains ad naseam. Meanwhile, the word "Jap" (just an abbreviation like "Brit") is considered an ethnic slur.

    I don't know if you ever saw the 1984 movie The Karate Kid, but it is a pretty mainstream movie that builds the guilt narrative. I rewatched it a few years ago, and was surprised by how evil one scene struck me: Daniel and Miyagi are at the beach (represented on the movie poster) and two rednecks accost Miyagi for being Japanese in California. Whites are now a minority there. Contrast that, if you watch anything from the '70s or '80s taking place in California and practically everyone was white and it seemed so hopeful.

    Clarke Air Base in the Philippines, an attack that happened the next day

    Techically you’re right because of the International Date Line. But in “real” US time both attacks occurred on December 7 (1248 for Pearl Harbor and 2335 for Clark Field in terms of EST, or 0748 and 1835, respectively, Hawaiian time — assuming I’ve done the calculations right, that is).

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    You're right, the dateline reduced the time they had to respond, and would make it the same day EST - but they still had plenty of warning.

    It seems to me that McArthur, who gained so much later fame, was at fault, both for the poor prep and also for the late response. The few aircraft on Wake Island were probably of more use.
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  240. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @AP
    Thanks for this post.

    Those two problems were worth about 150 lost points, which would place Ukraine where it was last year - about the same as Poland (a little worse this year, while it actually beat Poland last year). Ukraine would have been ahead of the UK and the US.

    There's a photo of results for the first 2 of 13 parts (the ones where Ukraine was affected by technical problems and too-deep dugout, respectively) here:

    https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?199458-Strong-Europe-Tank-Challenge-2018

    Were these technical problems due to chance? To me this doesn’t seem to reflect well on the Ukrainian military.

    The dugout thing is strange and reflects badly on the test as an aid to eventual combat operations; something should be done about that.

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    Were these technical problems due to chance? To me this doesn’t seem to reflect well on the Ukrainian military.
     
    You are correct, it is indeed scandalous that the soldiers were given tanks that couldn't shoot at at the beginning, costing a lot of points. The Ukrainian soldiers were really outraged by that. It doesn't reflect badly on the troops, at least.

    But the bottom line, if not for those two problems it looks like Ukrainians would have outperformed the Brits and the Americans, and come close to the Poles whom they beat last year when they didn't have that problem.
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  241. Seems I posted the Metro trailer twice. Here’s the E3 trailer for CP2077 that Gibson (the original creator of the series) slammed:

    Also, speaking of GamerGate and even games suffering from the same disease as Hollywood entertainment.

    The game in question is Last of Us 2 and the background story to the trailer that was shown at E3.

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  242. @Daniel Chieh
    While we're talking about games and before Dmitri finds a reason to post women, I think I can beat him to the punch and mention Bioshock Infinite, in my opinion one of the best and last art games from the US:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQZd5jGWUOo

    A little known fact: the main heroine, Elisabeth, was cosplayed so well by a Russian cosplayer Anna Moleva that she was hired to be the official face of Elisabeth.

    http://geekshizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Capture-480x181.jpg

    And this is probably the most well known image of her:

    http://geekshizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/elizabeth_by_ormeli-d46ljuj.jpg

    Because all things good must die, Bioshock did not sell well compared to say, Kandy Krush and the studio went out of business.

    Bioshock did not sell well compared to say, Kandy Krush and the studio went out of business.

    That’s good. The story was a shit-tier “le ebil white man, le ebil Comstock” and a thinly veiled morality play on how America is the cradle of evil and all white people who tried to keep it white were monsters for doing so. I was utterly shocked to find out that the main writer was a jew. Good riddance.

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    Seems to me there were a lot of Leftist themes in Bioshock Infinite.

    What I thought was so funny was how forced they all felt. Exploited black and Irish workers? LMAO - they had antigrav and automation so good that they could build robot soldiers. They didn't like blacks and Jews being around? Well, antigrav cities = freedom of association. And if you floated an American city in 1893 or thereabouts, there wouldn't have been many blacks to start with. The whole racial/exploitation angle just makes me want to puke.

    Another game from a few years back I'd criticize is Deus Ex: HR. They had a China that was filled with blacks, among a few other things.
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  243. @Thorfinnsson
    Yes, Irish national accounting is problematic which as you note the Irish themselves realize. Lots of Irish GDP is just revenue corporations manage to domicile in Ireland. Not only does this not accrue to the Irish themselves, but it's generally immediately invested in Dollar or Euro bonds.

    Still, I don't think it can be disputed that Ireland's low corporate tax rate has been successful for the country. Hardly the only factor of course. The English language, common law, low wages and land prices (when the Tiger got started anyway), and a time zone only four hours removed from the US East Coast were big factors.

    Low corporate tax rates aren't an "offense" against anything. There's no treaty in existence (let alone one that Ireland or Luxembourg are party to) which obligates a country to have high statutory corporate tax rates. Perhaps France, Germany, etc. should reform their taxation systems instead of grousing about Ireland (and Switzerland).

    Within the United States some states have eliminated their state corporate taxes. Naturally the incompetent states (and states with unreasonable government expenditures) grouse endlessly about this.

    The tax abuses of American companies have to do with America's bizarre extraterritorial taxation system (with high tax rates as well), which inevitably involve Ireland (and various other jurisdictions such as the Netherlands, Switzerland, Caribbean centers, etc.).

    Fortunately the recent tax reform here solves many of those problems.

    Abuses of European companies are lesser owing to saner corporate tax regimes, though they still exist as naturally one will manipulate supply chains and transfer pricing in order to avoid higher taxes where possible.

    As for seriousness, many if not most actions taken by the European Commission appear to be a soft form of protectionism. Hence the endless sanctions on American IT companies.

    time zone only four hours removed from the US East Coast were big factors.

    That will be news to the Irish, I think I can confidently say (being one of them myself).

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  244. songbird says:
    @for-the-record
    Clarke Air Base in the Philippines, an attack that happened the next day

    Techically you're right because of the International Date Line. But in "real" US time both attacks occurred on December 7 (1248 for Pearl Harbor and 2335 for Clark Field in terms of EST, or 0748 and 1835, respectively, Hawaiian time -- assuming I've done the calculations right, that is).

    You’re right, the dateline reduced the time they had to respond, and would make it the same day EST – but they still had plenty of warning.

    It seems to me that McArthur, who gained so much later fame, was at fault, both for the poor prep and also for the late response. The few aircraft on Wake Island were probably of more use.

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    It seems to me that McArthur, who gained so much later fame, was at fault, both for the poor prep and also for the late response

    It's even worse.

    [After news of Pearl Harbor was received] In Manila, Major General Lewis Brereton, commander of MacArthur's Far East Air Force, requested permission to bomb Formosa, some six hundred miles north, with his Flying Fortresses. It was 7:30 A.M, five and a half hours after the first attack on Hawaii.

    “I'll ask the general,” replied Major General Richard K. Sutherland, MacArthur's chief of staff, and a moment later reported "The general says no, don't make the first overt act.Wasn't the bombing ofPearl Harbor an overt act? Brereton wanted to know. He was told there had been little reconnaissance on Formosa and such a raid would have been pointless.

    John Toland, Rising Sun
     
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  245. AaronB says:
    @Greasy William
    I think part of the issue is that when you are young, you are able to find meaning in hedonistic materialism. That becomes impossible once the novelty wears off, even if you have access to an unlimited supply of Emily Ratajkowski clones.

    Or maybe it is better to say that the younger you are, the less need for meaning there is. When your 5 watching Star Trek with your father is all you need. When your 10 you can watch after school cartoons with your friends and that is good (although not as great things were when you were 5). Then in adolescence you go onto a new stage in life and drinking, fighting, getting with girls and competing for totally meaningless high school social status becomes something new and fulfilling.

    By the time your 25, you're jaded. Then you either have kids and start the cycle anew or you post comments on Unz about killing Lebanese people.

    Yes, there’s a lot if truth in what you say.

    But at the same time I think industrial societies force people to change their relationship to the world as they grow up.

    When you’re young you see the world as animated and alive, and yourself as more at one with it, while to function in an industrial society you must learn to see the world as inert, dead, and manipulable, and as outside of yourself and as other.

    So many things are just fun as a kid because you live in an enchanted forest. Just hanging with friends seems exciting and rife with possibility.

    Hunter gatherers maintain this attitude till their death and don’t experience this devastating loss of dimension as they grow older.

    I started becoming interested in religion when I made the connection between religion and restoring an enchanted view of the world. In my youth religion was just a set of stifling rules and joy killing regulation – and its part of the reason religion died in the modern world, because it lost its mystical soul. I became an atheist early because I experienced religion as hostile to a sense of magic and enchantment.

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  246. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Well, the game Metro very much captured a lot of what I'd consider as modern sacralization of objects, and part of it has to be intentional, given the fact that while a sci-fi postapoc game, ghosts exist in it. But two parts stand out to me hugely:

    1) Early on, you're just a piddling guy among many and especially as its built up that you're going into a very hostile surface, there's a genuine sense of "hello conscript, time to die now." And then, abruptly as the sound of monsters surround you, the very air lights up around you and the monsters hiss in display as an armored light tank rolls up to take up position besides you.

    You see tanks in games all the time, but the overall setup really makes it feel like something like an ancient champion, an equalizer that makes the impossible happen.

    2) Its not until mid-game that you get an AK-47, very much an iconic weapon. You manage on and off for a long time and basically scrimp and save, but when you finally get the AK-47, its basically through the death of a friend that you've been travelling with and you get it right so you can avenge him with it, granting it meaning to the player on top of its iconic status. Watch the bandits scurry in terror at the sound of a real gun is pretty fun too.

    Sounds very cool – you know, in principle there need not be this radical divide between technology and religion, and since it’s unlikely technology will disappear and its equally unlikely atheism will last, it seems most likely technology will mesh with myth and legend in an interesting new synthesis.

    In fact, I even suspect major scientific advance depends on maintaining a psychological connection to the Unconscious, and we’ve recently lost our ability to innovate because the balance between rationality and inspiration has tipped too far in the direction of dry analysis.

    The idea of a tank as a mythic champion against supernatural monsters is a fascinating reversal of accepted norms and suggests that technology is already being absorbed into a mythic world view.

    Interesting times ahead.

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  247. I don’t know how many of you are christcucks (hopefully none), but now is as good time as any to reflect over becoming an atheist.