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A German writes about Russians in the NYT:

A couple of months ago Volodya tried — luckily, he failed — to insert a crony as head of Interpol, the international police organization, presumably so he could turn it into his personal posse. Of course he did. Corruption is in Russia’s DNA, as it is in Mr. Putin’s.

Now it’s not that he is necessarily wrong. There is surely some genetic component to corruption proclivities, and it is certainly plausible that it is significantly higher in Russia (or Italy) than in North-West Europe.

But what is hilarious is that this comes from the employer of Amy Harmon, who has played a central role in hounding James Watson out of what remained of his academic standing.

This is a pattern, not an exception. Ex-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper – despite his own perjury record – thought nothing of saying that Russians are “almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain favor, whatever, which is a typical Russian technique” in a meeting with NBC journalists. One wonders how long somebody who said anything remotely similar about Jews would last in his job (actually we don’t have to wonder at all).

Russians might just be the only ethnic group denied Blank Slate protections in the modern West.

 
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  1. Mikhail says: • Website

    This is a pattern, not an exception. Ex-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper – despite his own perjury record – thought nothing of saying that Russians are “almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain favor, whatever, which is a typical Russian technique” in a meeting with NBC journalists. One wonders how long somebody who said anything remotely similar about Jews would last in his job (actually we don’t have to wonder at all).

    For sure as earlier noted:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/10/11/slanting-against-russia-us-establishment-pastime.html

    Excerpt –

    In the US, some influential elements monitor anti-Jewish comments. Much of the American public is sensitized to understanding and opposing anti-Jewish statements. Sometimes, the anti-Jewish designation can get out of hand. Giraldi could’ve chosen his words differently. Jews are by no means monolithic, as I’m sure Giraldi will concur, upon a direct follow-up with him on that specific point. (Given the tragic past of the Jews, I can see the concern over emphasizing Jewish money and influence, fostering government to do wrongheaded things. At the same time, there’s a legitimate basis to criticize some core foreign policy advocacies in the pro-Israeli neocon grouping – noting that not all of Israel’s supporters are neocons.)

    At play, is a selective sensitivity factor that reeks of big time hypocrisy. The belief that Giraldi deserved to be axed unlike the CNN hired Clapper, is a bigoted thought, that essentially okays the belief of a negative trait among Russians (along genetic lines at that) – which would definitely not be tolerated, were it directed against some other groups.

    A rhetorically put reply to what Clapper said:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/24092017-another-absurd-russia-bashing-development-analysis/

    Excerpt –

    According to Clapper’s characterization of Russians, he might’ve some Russian background, given his own track record.

    In two different US mass media TV segments, Julia Ioffe recently said some things along such lines. In one instance, she said Russia relaxing its gun laws is a bad idea, seeing how drunk Russians can get. In another segment, she said that the Russians calling someone corrupt must man they’re really bad.

    NYT sports writer Juliet Macur described a situation which differentiated between clean athletes and Russians:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/24082016-russians-held-to-different-standards-analysis/

    Excerpt –

    Bigotry has been definitely at play. From Juliet Macur’s July 20 New York Times (NYT) article “First Medal of Rio Olympics Deserves to go to a Whistle Blower”, is this contemptible excerpt: “The whistle-blowers are holding their breath. The Russians and clean athletes are, too.” That kind of sentiment has been expressed elsewhere. Substitute “Russians” for some other group in such a negatively applied way and see the selective outrage. No NYT journo would write a bigoted comparison that differentiates between law abiding citizens and African-Americans, followed by a utilization of crime statistics as “proof” for such a presented contrast.

    • Replies: @iffen
  2. iffen says:
    @Mikhail

    Philip Giraldi got dumped by The American Conservative, for describing (at another venue) a heavily negative Jewish influence in the American body politic. How is that take more egregious than James Clapper’s overtly bigoted comment comment about Russians?

    Maybe you Russkies could start yourselves a Holocaust narrative about how in the interwar period you were killed by the millions just because you were Russkies. Wait, that might not work, I see complications there.

    The little that I’ve seen of Clapper makes me think that he belongs in the sewer pond scum group. After reading many of Giraldi’s articles, I am certain that he is a very decent and honorable guy who has, unfortunately, succumbed to Jewphobia.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @neutral
    , @Mikhail
  3. 22pp22 says:

    The NYT is a syphilitic rag. It thinks all white people are “grovelling goblins.” It employs that wh0.re Sarah Jeong.

  4. iffen says:
    @iffen

    Correction: A few minutes after posting this comment, I realized that I had confused John Brennan with Clapper about whom I know very little.

  5. neutral says:
    @iffen

    succumbed to Jewphobia

    No, he simply noticed that US foreign policy is dictated by Israel, this is an indisputable fact, but it is also the highest crime to notice this. Anyone who with a straight face discusses geopolitics without mentioning the jew (either because of cowardice or being paid by a jew boss) is the true scum.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  6. neutral says:

    France has recalled its ambassador from Italy.

  7. Germans have blood lust and war mongering in their DNA.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Mr. XYZ
    , @Josep
  8. A couple of months ago Volodya tried — luckily, he failed — to insert a crony as head of Interpol, the international police organization, presumably so he could turn it into his personal posse. Of course he did. Corruption is in Russia’s DNA, as it is in Mr. Putin’s.

    The International Rus.

    Can’t blame him though. He was just following the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Muscovy.

    • LOL: Adam
  9. iffen says:
    @Mike Zwick

    Germans have blood lust and war mongering in their DNA.

    And they have spread it throughout the gene pool of humanity.

  10. @neutral

    The delightful thing about iffen’s posts is that they never stray from psychological innuendo. In case you’re tempted to admire his tenacity, please realize it’s not about tenacity. It’s literally the only rhetorical trick they’ve got. The minute the conversation shifts from pseudo-psychiatric evaluations to an analysis of factual claims, the evidence is so lopsided they inevitably eventually get blown out of the water (the main variable here being their interlocutors’ ignorance of the facts – but the facts are so widespread and accessible nowadays it’s seldom too long before an informed commenter arrives to set them straight). Hence all the baloney about “canards” and “stereotypes” and, always, anti-semitism, anti-semitism, anti-semitism. They’ll never give that up.

  11. @neutral

    Are we talking real life or HoI4? In the latter, Italy can wipe France out by ’38.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  12. The funniest thing is, if one compares the corruption in the US, especially among Pentagon contractors and every other element of MIC, those Russian thieves look fairly honest.

  13. songbird says:

    I believe the NYT means that corruption is institutionalized, within Russia. Though using “DNA” is obviously more poetic freedom than the writers or editors would allow with blacks or Africa.

    But I don’t think that it really would make sense to use the word “institutionalized.”. At root, that should mean that it has been made more official, and so more intractable. Written into the law, or legitimized in the eyes of the topmost rulers, if nobody else. I think this is truer in the West than the East.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  14. @silviosilver

    Belgium can wipe out the Nazis by 1942 in HoI4.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  15. Mr. Hack says:

    If it’s true that ‘Corruption is in Russia’s DNA’, perhaps Russians should be bringing suit against their parents:

    Mumbai businessman Raphael Samuel told the BBC that it’s wrong to bring children into the world because they then have to put up with lifelong suffering…”There’s no point to humanity. So many people are suffering. If humanity is extinct, Earth and animals would be happier. They’ll certainly be better off. Also no human will then suffer. Human existence is totally pointless…”I wish I was not born. But it’s not that I’m unhappy in my life. My life is good, but I’d rather not be here. You know it’s like there’s a nice room, but I don’t want to be in that room,” he explains.

    This isn’t taken from an article in the ‘Onion’. but is from the BBC. Apparently ‘anti-natalism’ is the antidote to transhumanism?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  16. @Anatoly Karlin

    Forts, I take it. They’re too overpowered. First time I took on USSR solo (as Italy), I shared a common border with them through Hungary (which I’d annexed), but I feared they’d declare war on Romania (which had annexed Bulgaria) and attack me through there. So I went nuts with L10 forts all along the border with Romania down to European Turkey (which the Soviets had annexed). I was expecting a real struggle, but the war was the biggest cake walk ever. The Soviets couldn’t even break through in the Mid East, where I only had like L3 or L4 forts. This was pretty late (like late 45 or 46 – hey I was still a noob), and I had max upgrades on fighters – 20:1 kill ratios lol. This campaign opened my eyes to how easy, after a certain point, the game actually is. The only real challenges are early campaigns (say, pre-1940), which can, rather unrealistically, still be won despite a ludicrous lack of equipment.

  17. @songbird

    West is not homogeneous, either. Say, campaign donations and donations to PACs by corporations would be criminal offenses not only in Russia, but in most countries. In the US both are perfectly legal. So, there is a lot more institutionalized corruption in the US than anywhere else in the West.

    • Replies: @songbird
  18. Russians, along with white flyover people, are subhumans in the current paradigm.

    “The Russianness of that Russian woman was unbearable, and such small portions!”

    The Master Race on the other hand is the Mullatto and especially the Mullatta, currently best represented by the childless Kamala Harris. We should all aspire to the racial ideal of the Mullatto: coffee colored skin, “no need to tan!”, more or less functional IQ level, immune to Who/Whom attacks. The Mullatto can be cast in any Hollywood movie role, hired for any job, truely an ideal form of hominid.

    This says something about how implicit social alignment should be organized. One wonders why Putinophilia isn’t stronger among Red State Americans.

  19. Dmitry says:

    It reminds a bit of a book Thorfinnson posted to me, of a German WW2 General who – after being part of an army which kills millions of Russians – was writing how Russians conveniently don’t feel pain. The book was commissioned for the Pentagon. (Is this a wild assertion, or do you have any factual basis – perhaps evidence of less pain receptors of the people you killed?)

    As for corruption – it is bad in all postsoviet countries, and without extraordinary evidence we can say it is symptom of being a postsoviet economy, not of DNA. Problems of corruption are worse in Tbilisi, Kiev, Baku – so this is independent of nationality.

    Another unfortunate issue which could be mentioned – it is that Russia is too generous.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2364889

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  20. Nitpicking must be in your DNA.

    Thank goodness laughing my ass off at this crap is in my DNA.

  21. @Dmitry

    In Soviet times, there was a gradient of corruption, lower in the North, greater in the South. From my own experience, I can compare riding inter-city buses. In Russia, you had to buy a ticket and board the bus at the station. In Ukraine, you had two options: buy a ticket and board the bus at the station or wait at a place outside of the station (known to everyone), board the bus there, and pay the driver. In Georgia, you boarded the bus at the station without any tickets and paid the driver. Those who purchased tickets were at a disadvantage: by the time they got to the bus, all seats were occupied by people who did not bother to buy tickets. This gradient of corruption remained after the breakup of the USSR, only became much steeper. Ukraine remains a lot more corrupt than Russia, whereas Georgia or Azerbaijan are a lot more corrupt than Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  22. @AnonFromTN

    In Soviet times, there was a gradient of corruption, lower in the North, greater in the South.

    Very much so.

    Incidence of bribery:

    While most polls indicate the Ukraine remains more corrupt than Russia, Georgia really does seem to have cleaned up considerably.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  23. songbird says:
    @AnonFromTN

    A lot of laws about lobbying seem to be polite fictions about the respectability of the establishment. Not a true measure of corruption, but perhaps a proxy for the level of its instutionalization.

    The real measure is not in direct bribes because bribes can be built into the cost of things, or collected by third parties. For instance, in the US blacks are bribed not to riot. Generally speaking, they don’t collect the bribes themselves, which would be very dangerous for them, and less profitable. So, in dollar terms, the state collecting the bribes actually entails a greater sum and thus a higher level of corruption.

    I could give dozens of other examples, in the taxcode, education, employment, healthcare, and housing. But I think the most glaring examples are in the moral decay and migrant invasion of the West. That is why I say the West is more corrupt because, it seems to evidently give less of a thought to future generations.

  24. @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s what the Georgian authorities say. Maybe I am too cynical, but taking their word for it is like taking at face value the results of the investigation by the fox of chicken coop break-in.

  25. Gerard2 says:

    A couple of months ago Volodya tried — luckily, he failed — to insert a crony as head of Interpol, the international police organization, presumably so he could turn it into his personal posse. Of course he did. Corruption is in Russia’s DNA, as it is in Mr. Putin’s.

    Actually the “crony” as head of Interpol…..was a Ukrainian, got all his qualifications in Kiev…. with a brother who works in the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry

    If this German prick was trying to imply or inadvertantly admit the glaring truth – that Ukrainians and Russians are the same people, same DNA…….then he deserves some praise, even if he is talking BS about the corruption

    On the issue of corruption. Russia is the most multi-ethnic country in the world…it stands to reason that is going to be reason for any corruption…anyway they have done a great job to partially reduce it

    Brazil,Colombia, Honduras, Venezuela are the most multi-ethnic countries in Latin America…..and they have a much higher level or murder and corruption then the less multi-ethnic Chile, Argentina, Bolivia and so on.

    America is the most corrupt country on the planet, even more of a joke it is like this considering how wealthy it is supposed to be. It is the most multi-ethnic western country…and it stands to reason that is the most corrupt and high murder rate country in the west

    South Africa has the most murders and corruption in all of Africa….despite being one of the richest, with the best infrastructure and natural resources…..no coincidence that it is the most multi-ethnic country in Africa

    likewise Philippines for Asia, Japan has a bit of corruption but a very low murder rate- mono-ethnic

    • Replies: @neutral
  26. neutral says:
    @Gerard2

    South Africa has the most murders and corruption in all of Africa….despite being one of the richest, with the best infrastructure and natural resources…..no coincidence that it is the most multi-ethnic country in Africa

    It has more to do with the fact that it has a lot of black people. Whether it is the most corrupt in Africa is disputable but also unprovable because some African states are so dysfunctional that one cannot gather reliable statistics on this matter.

  27. Asagirian says:

    Yes, Russians are very corrupt. But given what Jews did to Russia in the 90s, corruption must be part of Jewish DNA too. And given what Jewish communists did to Russia, radical mass-killing must be part of Jewish DNA. And given what Jewish influence did to immigration policies of US and EU, subversion must be part of the Jewish DNA. And given that Jewish-controlled media accuse others of what Jews are guilty of themselves, projection must be part of the Jewish DNA.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  28. the tikkun ola Jews hate Russia because it – finally – sloughed of Judeo-communism.

    the Zionist warmonger Jews hate Russia because it stiffs the Greater Israhell Project.

    the corruption lies in the Jew York Times

    (((genes)))

    and there’s nothing that the Jews would like to see more

    than a terminal White-on-White, Russia vs. America nuclear massacre.

  29. El Dato says:
    @neutral

    THIS MEANS WAR! WAR, MONSIEUR!

    Our glorieux Rafales will *flatten* your puny Aeronautica Militare equipped with NATO/Yankshit in 3 hours flat!

    Va’ fan culo!!!!

    …because of interference in Yellow Vestry.

    This just a few days after most Euroweasels decided to exhibit shocking obeisance to the US Ethical Thrift Shop over Venezuela.

    And THAT just a few days after actual physical threats against ICC members by US representatives were made public. What happened to that?

  30. i mean, he’s not wrong that the rus are more corrupt than the romance europeans, who are more corrupt than the germanic europeans. but it’s a matter of degree. the rus are less corrupt than most vibrant people. and of course, much less corrupt than (those guys).

    as anatoly points out, the russians will be attacked relentlessly by the western left for:

    1) being europeans who
    2) reject the leftists on social issues and other unnatural leftist causes – reject the globo homo agenda

    european peoples are not allowed to reject that stuff, something which the vibrant people of the world openly reject every day, but are given a pass.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  31. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I’d be careful what I wish for considering that your statement here could also apply to Ukrainians. After all, like Russia, Ukraine is extremely corrupt.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  32. Mr. XYZ says:

    Also, while we’re talking about DNA, do you think that homophobia and, in some cases, misogyny is in Muslims’ DNA? Or do you think that Muslims (I mean ordinary people in Muslim-majority countries–not the elite Muslims in, say, the US or Canada) are likely to eventually evolve to become largely pro-gay rights like various races in the US evolved (even a slight majority of US Blacks is now in favor of same-sex marriage–though US Blacks remain more homophobic than US Whites and US Hispanics are).

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  33. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Mike Zwick

    AFAIK, many–if not most–Germans actually were not eager to go to war in 1939.

  34. @Mr. XYZ

    Also, while we’re talking about DNA, do you think that homophobia and, in some cases, misogyny is in Muslims’ DNA?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  35. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Asagirian

    I’m not sure that Jewish influence had that much to do with Western Europe’s liberal immigration policies.

    • Replies: @utu
  36. utu says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    You are not sure?

    I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  37. Mikhail says: • Website
    @prime noticer

    For that matter, the Romanians have (over the course of time) had a rep for being more than above average corrupt.

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Ciolos
  38. Mr. XYZ says:
    @utu

    Sure, she said that, but is it actually true? Did Jewish activism actually cause Western Europeans to embrace multiculturalism?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @neutral
  39. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Hyperborean

    What about gay Muslims?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  40. @Mr. XYZ

    What about gay Muslims?

    Could you please elaborate?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  41. utu says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Jews were a necessary condition though possibly not a sufficient one. Anyway this means: no Jews, no multiculturalism. No Jews, no push for immigration and open borders (everywhere except for Israel).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  42. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Hyperborean

    Do you think that there is a genetic basis to Muslim homophobia?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  43. Mr. XYZ says:
    @utu

    Why exactly do you think that they were a necessary condition for this?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @silviosilver
  44. @Mr. XYZ

    Do you think that there is a genetic basis to Muslim homophobia?

    No. I wouldn’t mind their hypocrisy so much if they weren’t so sanctimonious.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  45. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Hyperborean

    So, you’re suggesting that a lot of Muslims who are outwardly homophobic are secretly gay?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  46. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Who’s wishing for anything? I’m just pointing out how totally bizarre things are becoming if this story is making the international news. Can you believe that this story is passing for serious news and not some sort of sarcastic nonsense? This Indian is promoting anti-natalism because the general condition of life as we know it is hard and painful for humanity, whereas others, like Karlin and his transhumanists want to find ways to vastly prolong and extend the boundaries of life expectancy by many decades?…

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  47. utu says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Pathologizing Western/Christian culture.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    , @Mr. XYZ
  48. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Is the Indian whom you are talking about here yourself?

    Also, boosting life expectancy by many decades would certainly be a good thing if humans could sufficiently reduce their reproduction on a permanent basis afterwards. After all, I would certainly love to live forever!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  49. Mr. XYZ says:
    @utu

    And non-Jews were incapable of doing this?

    • Replies: @utu
  50. Mr. XYZ says:
    @utu

    And non-Jews were incapable of doing this?

  51. Do you suppose a NYT op-ed writer would ever suggest that a propensity for mordida is in the DNA of Mexicans, or a predisposition towards baksheesh is in that of Levantines? Bear in mind that Carlos Slim Hélu is the Duranty paper’s largest stockholder.

  52. @Mr. XYZ

    So, you’re suggesting that a lot of Muslims who are outwardly homophobic are secretly gay?

    Well, different societies may different sexual perceptions, but they are definitely not as chaste as they pretend to be, they merely divert it into different habits. I am speaking of both heterosexuals and homosexuals here.

    Bacha bazi is, of course, infamous. The North African places offering little boys were available even in the time of André Gide and Oscar Wilde. Heterosexuals will have anal sex to avoid ‘popping the cherry’. Then there are the bizarre cases were adult migrant males will rape little boys and old ladies in Europe.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  53. utu says:
    @utu

    Jewish pro immigration activism to reshape the society in Sweden.

    The ideological change started in 1964 when David Schwarz, a Polish born Jew and Holocaust survivor who immigrated to Sweden in the early 1950s, wrote the article “The Immigration problem in Sweden” in Sweden’s largest and most important morning newspaper – the Jewish-owned Dagens Nyheter (“Daily News”). It started a rancorous debate that mostly took place in Dagens Nyheter, but which subsequently continued even in other newspapers, on editorial pages and in books. …

    Schwarz was by far the most active opinion-former and accounted for 37 of a total of 118 contributions to the debate on the immigration issue in the years 1964-1968. Schwarz and his co-thinkers were so dominant and aggressive that debaters with an alternative view were driven on the defensive and felt their views suppressed. For example, Schwarz played the anti-Semitism card efficiently in order to discredit his opponents. …

    Hans Hagness, a Social Democratic legislator, made the following statement in parliament on December 9, 1966:

    It is of course in the interests of the employers to increase cheap labor and keep wages down and this has been the motivation that has been supported by the bourgeois newspapers. They’ve also organized sob stories about deportations and how bad we should feel for them. But one cannot build a policy on sob stories featured in liberal newspapers; instead we are obliged to pursue a conscious policy in the interests of the average worker.

    In short, the Swedish left still thought in terms of social class.

    In 1966, David Schwarz obtained a meeting with Social Democratic Prime Minister Tage Erlander through the latter’s speechwriter Olle Svenning. Svenning later recalled:

    The old PM agreed to meet and brought his considerably younger assistant Olof Palme. [Schwarz] explained how important multiculturalism was, that Sweden already was a nation of immigrants and how the demands for linguistic and religious tolerance were growing strong. Palme, having been raised in a multicultural and multilingual environment, understood what David was talking about.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  54. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Why me? I find the Indian’s position less satisfying than the cryogenic crowd’s. Although, before we start promoting extended lives for all of humanity, wouldn’t it make some sense to make life here more enjoyable for the masses? Or should life extension only be promoted to the high IQ elite? I’m far from convinced that the well to do elite are living all that satisfying of lifestyles. The Indian certainly doesn’t seem to be very satisfied with his life. Read the article first before making insincere conclusions.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  55. @Hyperborean

    Gang rapes and harassment of women are also frequent. Saudi women will wear burkas but underneath will dress like secular women in other countries. In Europe, many Hijabis will cover themselves but wear tight clothes that emphasise their breasts and buttocks.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  56. Mikhail says: • Website
    @iffen

    Maybe you Russkies could start yourselves a Holocaust narrative about how in the interwar period you were killed by the millions just because you were Russkies. Wait, that might not work, I see complications there.

    The little that I’ve seen of Clapper makes me think that he belongs in the sewer pond scum group. After reading many of Giraldi’s articles, I am certain that he is a very decent and honorable guy who has, unfortunately, succumbed to Jewphobia.

    Killed by a multiethnic group of political elites – some of whom weren’t pro-Russian – a reminder of the overall composition of the Russian Empire and USSR.

    Clapper has definite negative issues along with those propping him. As previously noted, I give Giraldi the benefit of doubt.

    Digressing a bit, mass media in a round about way has arguably nurtured some anti-Jewish sentiment. Consider those out there whose contact with Jews is pretty much limited to mass media – noting which kind of Jewish views get greater play.

  57. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Which article are you talking about here?

    Also, I still don’t know which Indian you are talking about here.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  58. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Hyperborean

    In Europe, many Hijabis will cover themselves but wear tight clothes that emphasise their breasts and buttocks.

    That sounds more like US Muslims, no?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  59. @Mr. XYZ

    That sounds more like US Muslims, no?

    American culture is very strong in Western Europe, particularly among the underclass, who are attracted to the trashier aspects.

    The younger the age group of Muslims the trashier they are.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  60. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Hyperborean

    Let’s just hope that this trashiness also results in them accepting Western values–such as same-sex marriage.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  61. Mr. XYZ says:
    @utu

    What about in Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Switzerland?

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @AaronB
    , @utu
  62. neutral says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Yes, jews were absolutely central in passing all those mass immigration and anti white laws in the 1960’s. They were and still are absolutely the core group that pushes the anti white narratives in the mass media and mass entertainment complexes.

  63. neutral says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    All those countries have fallen under the US sphere, that means they are nothing but puppet regimes to the USA, which ultimately means they are puppet regimes to the international jew.

  64. AaronB says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    The theory is that America is the dominant Western power, and all European countries follow America’s cultural lead. Since Jews control America, then…

    It’s a weak theory.

    Europe’s cultural elite has long been anti-American, and only the masses have been influenced by trashy American culture. Yet Europe’s cultural elite are the problem.

    What’s more, any one familiar with European cultural history knows that Europe’s intellectual and cultural elite developed a full fledged anti-Christian and anti-Western position by the late 19th century, culminating trends that began as early as Montesqiue with his Lettres Persanes, and Voltaire with his anti-Christian ecrasez l’infame.

    I though utu was more erudite and culturally savvy, so am a bit disappointed.

    Jews jumped on the bandwagon, of course, and acted as intensifiers and accelerators. But the anti-Western and anti-Christisn position was fully developed by white intellectuals themselves.

    Had Jews never existed, we’d essentially be in the same place we are now. Probably worse. If you read the philosopher Cioran, he was already saying in the early 20th century that it is the fate of the white man to be dominated and humiliated by Chinese – thus giving vent to that strange masochistic urge that is part of the Western modern disease, rooted in self-hate, and that has so many varied expressions, from Steve Sailer and John Derbyshire and weird white commenters like Sean genuflecting before Jews, to on the opposite side, the worship of blacks.

    Jews, who still have self-respect, probably provide some ballast to the West.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @utu
    , @Jaakko Raipala
  65. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    And if all those countries follow America’s lead, how come they resolutely refused to adopt American style capitalism but remained stubbornly socialistic, how come they didn’t adopt the American diet and become obese, how come they are notoriously harsh on Israel, etc, etc.

    American cultural influence on these European countries was minimal, and mostly limited to the lose classes, who are not the problem. The cultural elite remained staunchly anti-American.

    Its grasping at straws. Part of the disease of the modern West is an inability to grapple with internal sources of decay, and an externalization of the problem. This is in line with the new attitude of passivity, of no longer feeling oneself to be an active and vigorous agent. One is acted upon rather than acts.

    But until Europe deals with the legacy of writers like Voltaire, France’s most famous writer, with his bitter anti-Christian feud, and countless others, its rather absurd to say Jews are the main source of anti-Christian sentiment.

    Goethe, Germany’s greatest cultural figure, in his Venetian Epigrams says –

    These four I cannot stand: tobacco smoke, bedbugs and garlic and Christ.
    Epigram 60

    Until Europe deals with this, focusing on Jews is nonsense.

  66. melanf says:

    Europe’s cultural elite has long been anti-American, and only the masses have been influenced by trashy American culture.

    And who of the people need today’s “cultural elite” of Europe? This elite creates anything interesting? Americans are winning the masses because they’re talented. I took the child to the film Aquaman-the child liked it. But there are no worthy European films to watch with a child.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  67. Bear in mind that the persona “AaronB” is what, in literary terms, would be known as an “unreliable narrator”.

  68. AaronB says:
    @melanf

    My point was, that Europe’s cultural elites are the ones supporting mass immigration and all the other crazy liberal policies. Yet its precisely this segment of European society that is least affected by American culture. In fact it is staunchly anti-American and has conspicuously rejected the most conspicuous aspects of American culture.

    So the theory which says Nordic countries, say, are suicidally pro immigration because the elites are led by American culture is ludicrous.

    Only someone astonishingly and devastatingly ignorant of European cultural history can not be aware that European intellectual elites became anti-Christian and anti-Western well before America had any cultural influence.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @utu
  69. neutral says:
    @AaronB

    that European intellectual elites became anti-Christian and anti-Western well before America had any cultural influence.

    Is that so, so according to your theory Sweden should have been opening itself up to mass non white immigration a hundred years ago. Back in the real world, all of these things happened right after WW2 when all these Western European states fell under the US sphere. But as usual you are going to use long winded jewish arguments saying how this has nothing to do with anything.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  70. utu says:
    @AaronB

    You are correct in one thing – the European elites. But not all of them. Among some of them noblesse oblige still functioned. Many wanted to make life better for people. Good example are social programs and reforms of late 19 century Germany.

    We do not know much about the elites and how they operate and what do they think.

    “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft, where we are hard, cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand.”

    We do not know how various secret societies operated and what were their actual programs. The secret societies were real just like think tanks nowadays are real. We do not take their publicly available statements and reports as the whole truth. But we know enough to piece together a bigger picture. Just as we were able after 9/11 to see PNAC reports in entirely different light. “You Will Know Them by Their Fruits.”

    Here is a good example of a real aristocrat, a member of European elite. Let’s look at Coudenhove-Kalergi. You should read some of his books on his vision for Europe and Europeans. As a member of the Führerrasse you will love it.

    This is from Richard Nikolaus Eijiro, Count of Coudenhove-Kalergi autobiography:

    “At the beginning of 1924, we received a call from Baron Louis de Rothschild; one of his friends, Max Warburg from Hamburg, had read my book and wanted to get to know us.

    To my great surprise, Warburg spontaneously offered us 60,000 gold marks, to tide the movement over for its first three years ….

    Max Warburg, who was one of the most distinguished and wisest men that I have ever come into contact with, had a principle of financing these movements. He remained sincerely interested in Pan-Europe for his entire life.

    Max Warburg arranged his 1925 trip to the United States to introduce me to Paul Warburg and financier Bernard Baruch.”

    What was the movement he writes about? What was in the book? Why Rothschild, Warburg brothers and Baruch liked it? Here are some quotes form the book:

    The man of the future will be a mongrel. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space, time, and prejudice.

    The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.

    Russian Bolshevism constitutes a decisive step towards this purpose where a small group of communist spiritual aristocrats govern the country and consciously break with the plutocratic [plutocratic = rule or power through wealth] democratism which nowadays controls the rest of the world.

    The fight between Capitalism and Communism over the inheritance of the beseeched blood aristocracy is a fratricidal war of the victorious brain aristocracy, a fight between individualistic and socialist, egoist and altruist, heathen and Christian spirit.

    The general staff of both parties is recruited from Europe’s spiritual leader race [Führerrasse] the Jews.

    The main representatives of the corrupt as well as the upright brain aristocracy: of capitalism, journalism and the literate are Jews.

    The superiority of their spirit predestines them to become a main factor of the future nobility.

    Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility through spiritual grace.

    With these two attempts to redemption of a spiritual-moral origin, Jewry has bestowed a greater gift on to the disinherited masses of Europe than any other people.

    How modern Jewry also surpasses all other peoples in percentage of important men: scarcely one century after its liberation this small people stands with Einstein at the frontrunner of modern science; with Mahler as the frontrunner of modern music, with Bergson as a frontrunner of modern philosophy, with Trotsky as the frontrunner of modern politics

    Not only Jewry will move in the direction of the Western aristocratic ideals – also the Western aristocratic ideal will experience a transformation which will meet Jewry half way.

    Note, the fool thought that Jewry would meet him half way as if he did not know what was his ido Trotsky doing to aristocrats in Russia. Perhaps he thought that him being half Japanese would make him exempt form Bolshevik pogroms.

    This is just one little fragment of much bigger network of interactions between the old elite and the new Jewish elite. If I did not know more about it and read it out of the context I would have assumed that Coudenhove-Kalergi was a kook. But he is not original. You can find similar Jewish supremacism in Disraeli. Coudenhove-Kalergi was the first recipient of the Charlemagne Prize which more recently is being awarded to various despicable Eurocrats like Martin Schulz, Donald Tusk, Herman Van Rompuy who are responsible for implementing the program outlined or rather channeled by Coudenhove-Kalergi. Without the support of Rothschilds, Warburgs and Baruchs he would be just some eccentric (and confused by his mixed blood) harmless aristocrat perhaps worthy of some anecdotes.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  71. utu says:
    @AaronB

    So the theory which says Nordic countries, say, are suicidally pro immigration because the elites are led by American culture is ludicrous.

    Who is saying it is lead by American culture? People eating Big Macs and watching American films have nothing to do with it. It is about emulation or replication of American model of social engineering and society control which hinges on multiculturalism and large African minority underclass which is critical to destroying society cohesion and social and political solidarity. And then there is the cheap labor aspect. American elites have more experience than Europeans. It works fine for the elite which in the US after WWII became disproportionately Jewish. It is a neoliberalism – which is Jewish (Chicago School and Wall Street). Cultural Marxism which through the Frankfurt School lead to its current emanation of SJW madness is Jewish. The SJW are the useful idiots of the neoliberalism. They will push for immigration so the capitalists do not have to do it and some of them on the right may even feign some support for the Wall. Like Trump who will talk about the Wall but under no circumstance even mentions penalizing business hiring illegals under the existing laws. His DOJ did not charge a single business owner.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  72. utu says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    I think you are a troll.

  73. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    The one that I cite in comment #15 to which you reply in comment #31. Hello? 🙂

  74. The writer gets a tiny plus for at least going with “Volodya” and not the typical (and technically incorrect) “Vlad” for a diminuitive.

    Gets a big fat minus for insinuating that “Volodya” tried to “insert a crony as head of Interpol” though… Prokopchuk wasn’t “inserted” in any way, he’s an Interpol veteran and was elected VP in 2016 internally, and as such stood in the line of succession so to speak, when the Chinese guy (who on the other hand WAS shady) suddenly disappeared (shady, shady).

    That is, until FUKUS intervened in the eleventh hour. Prokopchuk remains VP, though.

    His brother is the Ukrainian permanent representative at OSCE to boot, a mildly amusing fact.

  75. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Yes, but this is already in 1924 – well into European decline. Wasn’t Spengler already writing about Western decline, wasn’t Neitszche 50 years ago already fulminating against the decadence of the West? And how many other writers…wasn’t Orwell becoming ashamed of Empire, hadn’t Baudelaire already written his despairing Fleurs De Mal, and Rimbaud fled to Ethiopia because he hated life in Europe…

    By the mid-late 19th century Europe was finished….after that the basic trend was just developing itself in its fullness. As a trend, it takes time to fully become what it is. We still aren’t there completely.

    I fully admit that Jews reacted to the stench of European decadence by seeking to accelerate it and take power and become dominant – especially since European decline overlapped with a period of Jewish vitality (these things are cyclical). Jews saw their chance, and seized it, and of course any gain in European vitality will mean a reduction Jewish influence – but it will be almost a natural byproduct.

    Anti Western sentiment was becoming mainstream already as early as the 18th century with figures like Voltaire, Montesqiue, and Goethe. Goethe even denounced his earlier enthusiasm for Gothic architecture, which is the quintessentially European art form, and began writing Roman Elegies, Venetian Epigrams, and sought inspiration in Muslim Persia with his East-West Divan.

  76. utu says:

    OT: Interesting about 2011 Merkel-Obama exchange

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201902081072248049-merkel-obama-tear-crisis/
    “What she said was: ‘Our central bank is independent and it’s your fault, you wrote the Constitution. How can you put me in a position of asking me to violate a set of constraints on independence that you were part of shaping?’” he recalled the details of that clash.

    So we know who wrote Germany’s Constitution and that it is Washington’s world order that Banks must be independent of local governments.

  77. AaronB says:
    @utu

    It is about emulation or replication of American model of social engineering and society control which hinges on multiculturalism and large African minority underclass which is critical to destroying society cohesion and social and political solidarity. And then there is the cheap labor aspect.

    I actually agree that Europeans are, today, copying this model – but this is quite different than saying that Europeans are following America’s cultural lead, as some do. Maybe you don’t.

    European elites realize that they can gain and consolidate power using these methods – it is to their benefit. It has nothing to do with being dominated by Jews. They do it for themselves.

    This kind of cynical power play can only happen in cultures that have destroyed themselves and will be figured out by anyone interested in power sooner or later. (Tactics and strategies always naturally arise out of a situation for those interested in power)

    Europeans are not blindingly following the cultural lead of Jewish led America in hating themselves — it is a cynical power play be an elite that has no culture left.

  78. AaronB says:
    @neutral

    But white Europeans laid the intellectual foundations that made this possible by making self-hate and pessimism the dominant mood in Europe by the late 19th century, among elite white intellectuals.

  79. AaronB says:

    Someone needs to do a survey of emerging European self hate and pessimism, of the construction of an anti -Western and anti-Christian attitude in Europe…..

    Bardon Kaldian maybe..??

    It could be a series on Unz.com

    • Replies: @utu
  80. @utu

    If you think this creature somehow dictates (or strongly influences) Western European immigration suicidal lunacy- I have Taj Mahal to sell ….

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Anon
  81. This whole article is a mess & confusion.

    Corruption. What on earth this word has to do with the real subject, a Machiavellian drive for power & dominance. These are things apart, completely unrelated.

    Then, DNA.

    This is so idiotic metaphor it doesn’t mean anything. Basically, in journalese it is some stereotypical type of behavior of persons or collectives. What then about history, geography, ethno-psychology, economy, sociology,…

    One could write a book on misuses of words, but it would be a waste of time since nobody would care to take it into account.

  82. Mikhail says: • Website

    Relates to the bigoted BS concerning Russia:

    http://tass.com/sport/1043877

    Why should Russia acknowledge the fault ridden claims of Richard McLaren, as sports doping remains a global issue? In a more perfect world, Parsons should get canned for making such an idiotically biased remark.

    • Replies: @songbird
  83. songbird says:
    @Mikhail

    Doping is such a bizarre controversy. Doping is considered bad sportsmanship, but replacing your national team roster with Nigerians is considered good sportmanship.

    I can see why Xi said he likes ice sports. (joke)

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  84. @songbird

    Doping is such a bizarre controversy. Doping is considered bad sportsmanship, but replacing your national team roster with Nigerians is considered good sportmanship.

    Background restrictions should be reintroduced for local, regional and national teams as well as advertisements on their uniforms being banned.

    • Agree: songbird, RadicalCenter
  85. songbird says:

    If Crick were still alive, they would be attacking him too.

  86. @Mikhail

    The idea of Romanian corruption is an unfortunate effect of endemic low-level corruption, much smaller, but way more salient than, say, Germany’s Diesel’s emissions.

    There is also this stupid “hospitality” nonsense. There is no way to leave a Romanian host without being offered food, alcohol, and perhaps a souvenir. Similarly, there was a lot of pressure, in college, to “buy something nice for the prof”. It’s not like the professors would have failed us all in the absence of a gift. it’s not like the professors solicited. I am sure they were sick of it, just as Romanian doctors are sick of the random gifts. (For example, what can you do with 10 bottles of crap wine?)

    There is also a provincial complex, where Germans, French, even effing Swedes are seen as some sort of perfect beings, mostly because there’s minimal contact between Romanians and them. (After significant migration, Romanians have become wiser about Spaniards, for example. But in the nineties, when some Spaniards were still shitting in their backyards, you couldn’t say a bad thing about Spain without being mocked.) So, by comparison with (an idealized, imaginary) Sweden, of course we are the most corrupt.

    Finally, there’s this whining nature, coming from both worst parts of the Russian Empire and Austrian Empire. If you ask a Dane if he is happy, it’s like d’oh, of course. But if you ask a Hungrian or an Ukrainian how are they doing, they would voluntarily express, in the first two minutes, some disappointment with the weather, traffic, work, family, or whatever.

    All these things make Romanians appear corrupt in “comparative” measurements, which are just stupid opinion polls. The biggest bribes were the sale of state-owned housing to previous leasees, for peanuts, and the millions of early retirements from state-owned businesses. Both happened in the nineties, and ensured that the politicians could do whatever they want, without the menace of riots. No one in Romania is complaining about those.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Beckow
  87. utu says:
    @AaronB

    By the mid-late 19th century Europe was finished….after that the basic trend was just developing itself in its fullness. As a trend, it takes time to fully become what it is. We still aren’t there completely.

    the construction of an anti -Western and anti-Christian attitude in Europe…..

    Your thesis is false. You would like to see something that wasn’t there. It does not even qualify as a thesis. You are just shooting your mouth off pretty much as usual: thoughtlessly and irresponsibly.

    Look at Nobel Prizes in Literature prior to WWI. It was about affirmation of Western civilization and history (like Kipling or Mommsen) or Christian heritage (like Sienkiewicz) and many about affirmation of local culture (like Hauptmann, Rolland, Mistral). There was no self doubt. Europe was blooming. Europe was mopping up after its victorious and expansive Scramble for Africa. Another continent was conquered for Europeans, Western culture and Christianity.

    Only after the trauma of WWI hekatomb and the savagery of the Judeo-Bolshevik revolution the mood has changed. And then there was the paranoid preemptive reaction to Bolshevism in form of Fascism and Nazism. Still in itself the two movements were positive and optimistic. However Nazism was not European. It was Judaic in spirit and philosophy. It had to bring a misfortune to Europe. It went downhill after WWII when Europe was conquered and occupied by two non-European powers alien to Europe tradition and culture: Judeo-Asiatics from Russia and Judeo-Negro-Yankees from America. Two brothers in arms who would become reluctant enemies only because Israel was created and the Jewish elite forsook the USSR and decided to put all the bets on America. It was just like this fool Coudenhove-Kalergi wrote over 20 years earlier:

    The fight between Capitalism and Communism over the inheritance of the beseeched blood aristocracy is a fratricidal war of the victorious brain aristocracy, a fight between individualistic and socialist, egoist and altruist, heathen and Christian spirit.

    The general staff of both parties is recruited from Europe’s spiritual leader race [Führerrasse] the Jews.

    but it was a disaster for Europe which probably this mongrel Coudenhove-Kalergi was welcoming as triumph of his favorite new Führerrasse. This was the beginning of accelerated ascended of Jews in America and Europe. Holocaust became a new religion and its haggadah was driven into Europeans brains. And then the Frankfurt School… Europeans were emasculated, filled with guilt and full of self-loathing, a festering wound. And Jews never stopped playing the same strings over and over again so the wound would never heal and keep festering.

    Anyway Aaron, you are wrong. Stop bringing up this BS. You are just channeling this Coudenhove-Kalergi who was channeling Disraeli.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  88. AaronB says:
    @utu

    You are the one selectively seeing what you want.

    I do not deny that pessimism existed together with optimism, and that self-hate existed together with affirmative attitudes towards European civilization – but to not admit that major figures in European culture were pessimistic and self-hating, and that this became worse and worse and more and more characteristic, is to be blind or ignorant.

    What was Nietzsche going on about? Why was Schopenhauer known as a great pessimist and the most influential philosopher in continental Europe? Can you imagine Chinese culture producing a writer like Baudelaire with his celebration of despair, apathy, and morbidity, or Hamsun, or the French Existentuslists with their relentless negativity and despair?

    And btw, did you know that Kipling exchanged letters with his friend Rider Haggard – of the great adventure novels – that were deeply pessimistic and about how awful and painful life is?

    I suppose it does not really matter.

    Whatever went wrong with European culture, will not be consciously “fixed” by recognizing the problem and dealing with it. That is a fantasy the techno-utopians might indulge, but not a rational man.

    The rot will gradually fade away and be forgotten, and become a spent force – like all things, as the wheel turns.

    If you wish to believe Jews are the main problem, that itself is a symptom of a particular level of health and culture. As the West revitalizes, and the culture becomes healthy again, the fascination of Jewish vitality and optimism will recede, its ability to attract elite whites will drop off, and Jews themselves will be absorbed into the new dispensation, whatever it is.

    In the meantime, carry on if it pleases you.

    • Replies: @Anon
  89. @Dacian Julien Ciolos

    I am sure they were sick of it, just as Romanian doctors are sick of the random gifts.

    I read an interview with a Russian anesthesiologist a couple of years ago. He said if he drank all the cognac his patients left him he’d become an alcoholic. (Also expressed the wish they’d leave cash, or even better, that the government would pay him more).

    • Replies: @utu
    , @AP
  90. utu says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Obviously she does not dictate. She is a professional soldier who possibly may even be in it just for money. But this does not change anything as long as she is doing her job.

  91. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And I am sure many left money. But both takers and givers had to be coy and circumspect about it, however one could find out what was the going price range. And the most successful high ranking doctors who were unscrupulous in taking bribes would not even schedule a surgery w/o one. They had to earn money to pay bribes for the construction materials to build their dachas or houses. The patient would be kept in hospital for ever w/o a bribe. After all the stay in a hospital was free.

  92. Josep says:
    @Mike Zwick

    Honest question: was there any war-like activity in the land of poets and thinkers from 1871 to 1914?

    • Replies: @JP
  93. Anon[979] • Disclaimer says:

    There couldn’t be less will-to-war with gentile Whites at this point:

    as Jews and their minorities attack us on every front here, even extending to an full bore attempt to unseat a democratically elected president using every manner of corruption.

    Increasingly, I expect that White gentiles would rather rot in jail then wage a war for this nation ever increasingly populated by people who hate them at least as much as they hate Russian Whites.

    At this point, the average Russian has more in common with us than our neighbors much of the time: including race and politics, but also our long standing persecution by the same people.

    A naive generation was fooled into massacring our cousins in Germany for people who hate us. Never again.

  94. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Not influences. She is correctly articulating the influence of her people.

    As she sits, by way of Israel, fully funded in our central racial locus of Sweden to promote its dilution. In full concert with what her religious texts preach in regard to destroying other nations.

  95. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    What was Nietzsche going on about? Why was Schopenhauer known as a great pessimist and the most influential philosopher in continental Europe? Can you imagine Chinese culture producing a writer like Baudelaire with his celebration of despair, apathy, and morbidity, or Hamsun, or the French Existentuslists with their relentless negativity and despair?

    Your doppelganger is a 22nd century poster wondering what early 21st century Whites were so miserable.

    Gentile misery is the status quo during the two Jewish Millenia of Semitic religious domination, Jewish golum (Islam) imperialism, King Killing in concert with their texts, and cultural subversion. Everything downhill from our ideal Judenrein societies (and all they entail) brings us misery, similar to how everything apart from the Jewish messianic period of world dominance brings them misery. What a fucking stupid comment.

    The rot will gradually fade away and be forgotten, and become a spent force – like all things, as the wheel turns.

    As is this. Its the verbal equivalent of offering a shot of heroin and welfare. “Just do nothing White people”, and society will fix itself. As if our society has ever been anything but a immense uphill effort.

    If you wish to believe Jews are the main problem, that itself is a symptom of a particular level of health and culture.

    Where is your support for your next dumb-fuck answer? Nowhere. You are either spewing self-interested nonsense or just too stupid to know what you don’t know. Is that a symptom of health and culture? Are the Jewish textual edicts to destroy all other nations and genocide or enslave their inhabitants, and kill their kings, also symptoms of health and culture or are they healthy foundations of Judaism? How about their textual dehumanization of all non-Jews, combined with calls to genocide?

    What I think is that you are a research-lazy pajama boy who thinks that spewing tired Jewish propaganda in regard to the mental health of anyone who opposes them comes off as novel or persuasive.

    As the West revitalizes, and the culture becomes healthy again, the fascination of Jewish vitality and optimism will recede, its ability to attract elite whites will drop off, and Jews themselves will be absorbed into the new dispensation, whatever it is.

    And how is that supposed to happen, exactly?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  96. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    We get a constant stream of bottles of very good cognac from relatives-physicians in Moscow.

  97. @neutral

    “Our Africans can beat your Africans.”
    Hey, it’s kind of like an NBA game, but with higher stakes.

  98. @neutral

    Interesting intellectual exercise, but the median age in France is around FORTY-TWO years old, and a deadly FORTY-FIVE years old in Italy — and rising steadily in both.

    Add in the fact that their militaries are a joke (especially Italy’s), and they have little courage or self-respect (especially France), and that would be one pathetic war.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  99. Beckow says:
    @Dacian Julien Ciolos

    You point out two related maladies that have been afflicting eastern Europe at least since Byzantium collapsed 500 years ago. The pathetic low self-esteem (‘provincialism‘) and the fact that the societies there are demonetised.

    They are related: the main reason eastern European societies are not properly monetised is that people there don’t value what they have. They don’t value their own assets, so nobody else does either. The consequence is the kind of petty cognac corruption that is highly visible, but minuscule compared to the systematic, institutionalised forms of corruption in the West – where they literally create money out of thin air and divide it up among themselves in a complex, well-managed hierarchy. The endless consultants, intermediaries, think tanks, compulsory financial cut, well-rewarded politicians, etc…the money flows because in the West people usually refrain from pointing out the obvious corruption (since they often benefit too), and because everyone is forcefully optimistic and that makes their assets more valuable.

    In the east the societies have delegated money, assets and capital management to others, all that is left are petty and annoying gift exchanges (‘corruption’). It is almost always the outsiders or people working with them who do the really big corrupt stuff – like selling national utilities to some Western utility in perpetuity.

    It might very well be in the DNA. It is as good an explanation as any other I can think of.

    • Agree: utu, Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @utu
  100. utu says:
    @Beckow

    You are onto something. But I do not think you exhausted the issue. This is a very fascinating. To find what possibly makes people slightly different in different countries. Anyway, I will try to put some thought into it.

  101. I took the use of ‘DNA’ to be metaphoric.

  102. AaronB says:
    @Anon

    Its the verbal equivalent of offering a shot of heroin and welfare. “Just do nothing White people”, and society will fix itself. As if our society has ever been anything but a immense uphill effort

    .

    Not at all. I’ve been trying to get white people to examine their culture and change it. Do something about it instead of pretending Jews are at fault. It hasn’t worked. Most whites are too ignorant of their own history and culture, and also in their decadence have come to see themselves as passive acted upon people rather than having agency.

    Theoretically, I am not sure that man is “captain of his fate” and can will himself out of a passive and pessimistic state of mind. I suspect Tolstoy is correct, and man is shaped by large historical forces beyond his control. Certainly my attempts to make white people snap out of their passivity have failed. I get the strong feeling I am dealing with an implacable force.

    Can man simply will himself out of decadence? Do we understand the causes of decadence and its cure? We do not.

    So these historical forces have to play themselves out. If we can’t fix things with an act of will, we can at least take comfort in knowing that decadence is never forever, just as health also is never forever.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @iffen
  103. JP says:
    @Josep

    They didn’t instantly declare eternal submission to the British Empire. Sounds pretty warlike to me. Oh, and they sent a few boats to Morocco.

    • Replies: @Josep
  104. utu says:
    @AaronB

    “Certainly my attempts to make white people snap out of their passivity have failed. “ – Please, do not give up on us too soon, our savior, our Fuhrer. And do not be despondent. Stay away from guns. The last one who tried to save us and also felt bitterly disappointed with us, the white people killed himself in the bunker in Berlin in 1945.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  105. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Aha. So trying to break whites out of a malaise is a bad thing and worthy of sarcasm?

    The only permissible point of view is that whites are passive acted upon people with no agency who are victims of Jews.

    Its interesting that when white identity politics finally emerges it is passivity-based and takes the same shape as black and Hispanic identity politics, and not the more agentic identity politics of Jews and Asians.

    That is because at the moment, white identity politics is practiced solely by lower quality whites, while high quality whites have defected to the more optimistic Jewish led mainstream culture, making it even more powerful.

    In contrast, Jewish and Asian identity politics is led by its high quality people, so naturally takes a more agentic form.

    This bifurcation between high and low quality whites – with low quality whites concentrating in the alt-right, the Right in general, and the emerging white identity movement, and high quality whites defecting to the more agentic Jewish led mainstream culture and making it even stronger – is disastrous as a whole.

    It may portend a division into three social classes that reflect three emerging races – a natural leadership class of elite whites, Jews, and Asians, a white proletarian class composed of low quality whites with no sense of personal agency with a culture based on HBD etc, and based on resentment, and a dark race composed of minorities. The white proles will be locked in perpetual conflict with the minorities, making the elites immune from challenge.

    Of course there will be much movement between the classes – many minorities will enter the elite class, and many people whites will as well, while many Jews, Asians, and elite whites will suffer bad fortune and fall into the lower classes.

    A new feudalism. Interesting times.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
  106. @Mr. XYZ

    That’s the wrong focus. Such question can never be answered to everybody’s satisfaction.

    The important point is: they’re an obstacle. Quite a formidable obstacle.

    You do anything pro-white and you can be certain your most vehement (and well-funded) opposition will come from Jews; and the more successful you threaten to become, the more vehement the opposition.

    So for any pro-white movement, Jewish influence is not a factor that can be safely ignored.

    And when shysters like Bardian come along to tell you “but Jews aren’t guilty of everything,” you can just smile and reply to them, “true enough, but shysters like you refuse to hold them accountable for anything.”

  107. @RadicalCenter

    Add in the fact that their militaries are a joke (especially Italy’s), and they have little courage or self-respect (especially France), and that would be one pathetic war.

    Serious question, are you really in any position to make that assessment?

  108. On the topic of corruption, I flew to Germany and bought and car and then drove it down through Austria and ex-Yugoslavia about 15 years ago.

    I had to pay a bribe at one Croatian border post, both Serbian borders, and at the Macedonian border. (At the other Croatian border, I was hassled pretty rudely by the customs official – but customs officials are all scum in my opinion.)

    It was nothing major. One took my passport and went into his “office” thingy and wouldn’t give it back till I slipped him 10 euros. Another hit me up for a few packs of cigs. Don’t recall what the others were.

    Oh, and on a separate trip, I was stopped for speeding three or four times in Bulgaria. The cops straight up demanded a bribe each time. (No more than 20 euros, I think.)

  109. iffen says:
    @AaronB

    Theoretically, I am not sure that man is “captain of his fate” and can will himself out of a passive and pessimistic state of mind.

    I warned you about this dangerous realism trip.

    If we can’t fix things with an act of will

    Next stop: genetic determinism and materialism.

    BTW, you idea that history falls from the sky untroubled by man is catchy.

  110. iffen says:
    @AaronB

    white identity politics is practiced solely by lower quality whites,

    Aren’t you plagiarizing Thomm there in the next cubicle?

  111. @AaronB

    The anti-Americanism of European elites is just an imitation of the anti-Americanism of the new American elites so it’s just more evidence that the cult of diversity is a result of American influence. The “anti-American” opinions of Olof Palme were exactly the same as the anti-American opinions of the American Left.

    For generations American elite universities, media and Leftist leaders have had the idea that there is a good, new America – diverse, multicultural, urban, tolerant, pro-welfare-state etc – and a bad America – white, wholesome, rural, Christian, small government etc. European elites are just imitating this and trying to prove that they’re aligned with the good diverse America and against the bad white Christian capitalist America.

    Sweden & Finland are the best example of this. After WWII, Sweden ended up “neutral” but de facto in the American sphere whereas Finland was “neutral” but de facto in the Soviet sphere. Sweden followed America’s 1960s cultural revolution and decided to become “multicultural” whereas Finland was sucking up to the Soviet gerontocracy.

    Up to the end of the USSR, there was NO multiculturalism in Finland. NONE. Instead of praising diversity in every speech politicians made sure to praise and cite Lenin in every speech, academia was citing the Soviet version of Marxist-Leninism as the scientific truth of the future so Western multiculti/postmodernism/etc were condemned as “bourgeois pseudoscience”. The anti-American stances of Finnish politicians were copied from Soviet propaganda whereas the anti-American stances of Swedish politicians were copied from American Leftist propaganda.

    As soon as the USSR died, Finland stopped building monuments to Lenin and the elite started going to America instead of the USSR to learn what they’re supposed to say. When our vassalage to the USSR was swapped to vassalage to the West, Finland started becoming Sweden with the Americanized diversity ideology replacing Soviet Marxist-Leninism.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @AaronB
    , @inertial
  112. iffen says:
    @AaronB

    In contrast, Jewish and Asian identity politics is led by its high quality people, so naturally takes a more agentic form.

    In the urban US, when the racial electorate mix is a certain configuration, some blacks will run on a platform of: Vote for Me, My Ass is the Blackest.

    In Israel, Prime Ministers and wannabe Prime Ministers run on a platform of: Vote for Me, the US Loves My Ass the Most.

  113. iffen says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Finland started becoming Sweden with the Americanized diversity ideology replacing Soviet Marxist-Leninism.

    Yes, but look at the benefits; for example, you learned how to make excellent cellphones.

  114. AaronB says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    The problem with your theory is that European anti-Americanism long predates American self-hate. In fact, in the 90s conservatives would accuse the self hating Left of copying Europeans, and attempting to appear sophisticated and cultured. I remember well the climate in the 90s, when I first got into politics – the American Left felt culturally inferior to Europe and used Europe as a reference point.

    In the 19th century until WW2, a host of European intellectuals visited smerica, from Dickens, Fanny Trollope, to Freud, and returned with unfavourable reports, and the general European impression was very low, of an uncivilized place with little culture. In the 18th century Europeans even had this weird theory that America was less fecund than Europe and that plant and animal life in America was inferior and stunted and the environment insalubrious.

    The American elites turn against itself began in earnest after WW2, centuries after European contempt for America was solidified. However, certain American writers like Emerson and Thoreau began developing a mild anti-Western theme which included aspects of American culture, taking their lead in this from the European romantics.

    Tocqueville noted that Americans were extremely sensitive to criticism and desirous of praise, and he was meeting mostly with the elites.

    Isn’t it more likely that American and European elites draw inspiration from the same cultural sources within the European tradition, namely the Romantics rejection of modern Western culture as mechanistic and amoral and the Enlightenments rejection of Christianity as oppressive and stunting the growth of the free rational personality?

    Your example of Finland does show that if one identifies with a non-Western culture, one will be somewhat immune to the disease afflicting those who draw inspiration from Western cultural sources, at least for the duration of that identification. It also shows that identifying with the West can have corrosive effects.

    Incidentally, when I first travelled abroad in 2001, Europeans were anti-American to a man, very intensely and vociferously, and they did not distinguish between the individual and the country. Travelling now this animosity seems to have completely vanished, weirdly and ominously.

    You seem to have a mechanistic view of the human animal – whoever controls the media brainwashes the masses (even though the elites are the problem). Every people naturally loves itself and only foreign actors would try and undermine a culture.

    However, if every people loves itself it is entirely unclear how they can be persuaded not to. And if motivation and cultural health is equal it is entirely unclear how a people with far fewer high IQ individuals can capture such institutional power.

    Your theory leaves too many questions unanswered and is unpersuasive. Its also well known that you cannot brainwash people into believing things unless there is at least partial alignment with prior beliefs.

    Further, your theory does not take into account the possibility of incompatible goods. For instance, power is fascinating and compelling but might be incompatible with emotional satisfaction. So a people might be legitimately torn between pursuing power at the expense of its emotional health, and end up sick just as it reaches its peak of power.

    Europeans stumbled onto an incredible technique of power – science and the mechanical world view – and could not resist its glittery fascination. Selling their souls for power, they destroyed themselves. Countless myths and legends sketch this dynamic – the myth of Icarus, for one. Evidently it is a human perennial.

    The myth of Icarus seems far more compelling as an explanation of what happened to the West than that a handful of Jews, vastly fewer in high IQ individuals, managed to destroy a vital and healthy European culture that had not already undermined itself.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @AP
  115. Beckow says:

    Your description of the Europeans in 2001 and today is too mono-chromatic, there has always been a substantial variance in attitudes towards America in Europe. But we all (I think) agree that there is a problem in the West – it is in a self-destructive spiral. What combination of reasons has caused it is maybe less important.

    Your Icarus explanation is interesting, but somehow not fully satisfactory:

    Selling their souls for power, they destroyed themselves.

    Western societies have contained Icaruses, and also a lot of hoi polloi. And other societies have had similar power moments in the past.

    I prefer more earthy explanations for the ongoing Western collapse: internal divisions that have frequently reached catastrophic levels, short-sighted elites that dream of life away from the people who made them into those elites, feminism and its impact on family formation, inordinate power given to culture figures (mostly clowns as far as I can tell). And the unsustainable growth of debt and its natural companion, financialization of everything.

    To what extent particular behavioral patterns of different ethnic groups contributed to this is a very touchy subject: we all have ethnicity and thin skin is right beneath our thick rational exterior :). I have always had my eyes on the Anglo perennial dysfunction, their proclivity to engage in weird mating customs, their traditional uber-individualism and corresponding dislike of any group or communal action, has hurt the West. Since the Anglo world has been so dominant. French are way off most of the time, Germans lack sense of humor and its accompanying ability to mediate tough situations. The late 20th century Jewish domination of most media, academia and culture has narrowed the scope for discussion – that is not good for anybody, least of all the Jews themselves. To be able to push one’s more extreme ideas unopposed is never good. Whether any group is behind the Western mental collapse, or whether any group has planned it, is an unresolvable issue. There are individuals who have planned it, but assigning motivation to even an individual is hard enough, assigning it to what are large, disparate groups is in my view almost impossible. What is more important is how to prevent the collapse – the planet might not get another civilization like this for a long time, maybe ever.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @AaronB
  116. iffen says:
    @Beckow

    Germans lack sense of humor

    Dang! I thought that it was just the Nazis that lacked a sense of humor, but you are saying it’s a German thing … uh, oh, you don’t think …

  117. @AaronB

    You make a single salient point:

    Your example of Finland does show that if one identifies with a non-Western culture, one will be somewhat immune to the disease afflicting those who draw inspiration from Western cultural sources, at least for the duration of that identification. It also shows that identifying with the West can have corrosive effects.

    Just like with Russian and Soviet identity, ‘Westernist’ identity is, while interlinked with nationality, not an ethnic identity but a parasitical ideological-metacultural identity.

    • Replies: @songbird
  118. songbird says:
    @Hyperborean

    I agree with that idea entirely.

    “West” is a word that totally fails to restrain people who naturally have trouble making distinctions about different groups. It is just a cardinal point on the compass – the purest geographic term possible.

  119. inertial says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Finland was “neutral” but de facto in the Soviet sphere.

    Not really. Not as far as USSR itself was concerned. Soviet idoelogy divided Europe into two camps: Socialist (“ours brothers”) and Capitalist (with members ranging from friendly to hostile.) Finland was considered to be firmly in the Capitalist camp. Friendly but not at all “brotherly.”

    The only thing that Soviet Union demanded from Finland was military neutrality (true neutrality, not fake one like Sweden’s.) Lenin statues and the rest were entirely self-imposed.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  120. peterAUS says:

    I have a feeling that most of you guys simply over complicate the issue(s).
    Let’s try to simplify it.

    The problem:
    Instead of focusing on some, say, metaphysical issues, let’s focus on the most visible: get……rid…..of….”migrants”. I’ll repeat: get rid of “migrants”. Just and only that. Simple?

    The solution:
    Remove them from own territory. Simple enough I guess.

    The execution:
    Say….there are around 400 000 “migrants” on a territory of an average European country.
    Create (temporary) laws which “encourage” “migrants” to leave by themselves. Those who do not/can’t manage that, detain, indefinitely, in some manageable place. The place organized as POW camp(s) according to Geneva convention.Visualize Japanese, for example, in USA, after Pearl Harbor.
    Technically…….simple. Whoever wants to argue that, please do. My take: for an average European country it would take a month, tops, to have “migrants” either leave or be housed in those camps.

    Now….the real problem (not those metaphysical musings etc): the Reaction. Who would react to those measures? More importantly, HOW that reaction would look like?
    For those willing to spend more than usual 5 minutes of thinking about anything, make flowcharts. Put them on paper.

    At the end of the day the problem is not some….whatever. The problem is US military might. Or, better, people who control it. And, while we are onto it, rank and file there willing to execute those orders.

    Makes sense?

    • Replies: @songbird
  121. songbird says:
    @peterAUS

    Logistically speaking it has never been easier to move people. That works both ways. Look at the numbers of annual passengers at the top airports. Some of them are short flights, but they give at least an idea of magnitude.

    In fact, at least in theory (if not likely in fact), it need not be bloody a process. Many incentives and disincentives can be offered. Welfare could be totally cut and they could be paid to leave, while having their heat turned off. Many undeployed technologies could facilitate peaceful crowd control.

    The trouble is all the traitor whites would rather go about the murder-suicide of Europe than offend a single Arab.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  122. peterAUS says:
    @songbird

    Logistically speaking it has never been easier to move people. That works both ways. Look at the numbers of annual passengers at the top airports. Some of them are short flights, but they give at least an idea of magnitude.

    In fact, at least in theory (if not likely in fact), it need not be bloody a process. Many incentives and disincentives can be offered. Welfare could be totally cut and they could be paid to leave, while having their heat turned off. Many undeployed technologies could facilitate peaceful crowd control.

    Well, let’s say that more (South)East in Europe that process happens, more lethal tools/methods would be applied.
    I just have a feeling that, say, in south Serbia and/or Montenegro we’d see some “PKM work” here and there. Old habits and such.

    The trouble is all the traitor whites would rather go about the murder-suicide of Europe than offend a single Arab.

    Again, I like to split that issue in two along the lines of the good old Iron Curtain (and, naturally, put Yugoslavia on the East of it).
    I agree with you re Western part of that divide.
    As for the Eastern part…a big NO. Yes, there are plenty of those there too but nothing that some proven methods/tools can’t take care of in…say…..15 minutes.
    The problem/reaction there is, again, IMHO, US military might and the rest which comes with/after that.
    And, those wishing to really get deeper, who controls that might.
    And, if really to the bottom of the thing, an average citizen around. Some soul searching there would be smart to do.
    Or….the general attitude “how to have a cake and eat it”.
    Hehe…there is an area where AronB could even chime in.

    Easy times make weak people…..

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  123. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Perhaps time to stop skirting the issue…hehe.

    People spout around, a lot, “civil war”, “our” genocide,”displacement”, “no future”, blah..blah…blah….
    And…now that’s really funny, as soon as one mentions “violence” they scatter.

    How the fuck you can address “our” genocide/displacement without some violence dished to someone eludes me. Not those, of course.

    Reminds me of people who want to lose weight but don’t want to change eating/drinking habits and break sweat. In that order, mind you.

    Funny, actually.

  124. Josep says:
    @JP

    They didn’t instantly declare eternal submission to the British Empire. Sounds pretty warlike to me.

    In other words, self-defense? Or am I missing something?

    Another question: Unless Mike Zwick (no. 7) was being facetious, aren’t Franks, Normans, Dutch, Belgians, Scandinavians, and most Britons also Germanic as well?

  125. AP says:
    @AaronB

    In the 19th century until WW2, a host of European intellectuals visited smerica, from Dickens, Fanny Trollope, to Freud, and returned with unfavourable reports, and the general European impression was very low, of an uncivilized place with little culture.

    Zweig and Jung were friendly or positive towards America after their visits there.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @AaronB
  126. iffen says:
    @AP

    the general European impression was very low, of an uncivilized place with little culture.

    Williams also cites Paul Simon’s satirical jibe in the song “A Simple Desultory Phillippic …”: “I knew a man, his brain so small / He couldn’t think of nothing at all / He’s not the same as you and me / He doesn’t dig poetry. He’s so unhip that / When you say Dylan, he thinks you’re talking about Dylan Thomas / Whoever he was / The man ain’t got no culture / But it’s alright, ma / Everybody must get stoned.”

  127. @inertial

    That’s hardly true. Finland had a military alliance with the USSR so the “neutrality” was even more of a joke than Swedish neutrality. The Finno-Soviet treaty from 1948 is worded in a strange way that stipulates an obligation for the Soviet Union to defend Finland and not the other way around and of course that’s only to maintain the pretense of Finnish neutrality (obviously the USSR would not have simply accepted it if Finland decided to decline Soviet aid).

    And since the thread is about bribery, the Soviet Union spent a lot on sponsoring pro-Soviet organizations and people in Finland so clearly they were not merely interested in promoting neutrality. Lenin museums and such were started with Soviet “donations”, the Finno-Russian friendship societies operated with Soviet money (and thus collapsed instantly when the USSR fell) etc. They were also very interested in blocking Western money from entering Finland and the peace treaty gave the USSR veto powers over any deal with “Germany and its allies” so American NGOs, charities and corporations were generally banned from operating in Finland by Soviet demand, starting from blocking Finland from accepting the Marshall plan. Swedish politics in comparison was heavily influenced by American funding.

    Soviet funding initially went to communists but later a culture of paid cucks emerged and centrist and “right-wing” politicians discovered that they could get a share of Soviet oil money in their own pockets if they allowed the USSR to fund all sorts of pro-Soviet organizations. Khrushchev was the most eager to personally oversee the bribing of the pro-Soviet cuck right while Brezhnev was at first a huge crisis in Finland as the bribes stopped coming (until who knows what, maybe some adviser told him that Finland is going to try to align with the West unless he starts paying off the cucks again).

    Of course, as it turns out, the Americans are not that different. There is no such thing as a gift from a great power and American “free market capitalism” is no less political than communism so now all the business deals come with a demand to praise diversity and multiculturalism. And of course the cucks and the cuck factions that used to praise Marxist-Leninism when Soviet bribes were coming in are now working in some well funded American NGO or charity that “fights hate”.

    And of course now that Finnish politicians are being bribed by the Americans instead of the Russians, Finland has magically become one of the least corrupt countries in the world as ranked by American institutions.

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  128. AaronB says:
    @Beckow

    I generally agree with your comment, which was a good comment.

    However, your causes are not necessarily incompatible with the Icarus explanation. They are a different order of explanation. In a sense migrants are the problem, or financialization. But we must ask what intellectual framework allows these things in the West, but not in other countries.

    In a sense Jews are a big part of the problem, but we must ask what is the framework within which Jews can become a problem here and not, say, in China.

    For me, the Icarus explanation encompasses two phenomena

    1) The higher you rise, the harder you fall. Pursuing glory and power so intensely leads to exhaustion and dissolution. The Chinese never rose so high as the West, never attempted to, but also never fall into self-destructive spirals to the same extent. The ancient Greeks, a passionate people, decided that the lesson of their self-destructive history was avoidance of extremes and balance.

    If every action has a reaction, then a glory-pursuing civilization may have to accept that when the reaction sets in, it will be severe.

    2) The West sold its soul for power. Science gave tremendous power, but undermined morality, tradition, and the healthy biological instincts that are the basis of a satisfying life.

    Capitalism, for instance, unleashes tremendous economic prosperity, but undermines family and tradition and stability.

    At every juncture, between incompatible goods, the Anglos chose the good of power – the result is that they became the most powerful force in the planet, but may have destroyed themselves in the process.

    Of course, capitalism and science are not bad, they are good and necessary – but they need to be balanced.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Beckow
  129. AaronB says:
    @AP

    Interesting. I’m a little disappointed in Jung.

  130. @AaronB

    In a sense Jews are a big part of the problem, but we must ask what is the framework within which Jews can become a problem here and not, say, in China.

    Jews were in fact a problem for China, both for their role as communists and their support for Imperial Japanese expansion, including Jews residing on Chinese soil.

    And then there is the involvement of the Sasoons in the Opium Wars.

    But as usual you will just engage in more sophistry.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  131. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    Don’t be dense. Jews are not an internal social problem for China, and it’s hard to imagine them becoming one even if they were 2% of the population like in the US. Its worth investigating what cultural framework exists in China that would immunize them. For one, there is no self-hate for Jews to latch onto and develop.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  132. @AaronB

    Jews are not an internal social problem for China, and it’s hard to imagine them becoming one even if they were 2% of the population like in the US.

    The minor Jewish population in Manchuria supported Japanese rule and avoided getting interned like other Europeans.

    Its worth investigating what cultural framework exists in China that would immunize them. For one, there is no self-hate for Jews to latch onto and develop.

    There is no such framework. If there was then the pozzed, self-flagellating attitude of Taiwan wouldn’t exist. And there are plenty of self-hating Chinese abroad who became like that after they exited the authoritarian cocoon of the CCP.

  133. Beckow says:
    @AaronB

    …we must ask what intellectual framework allows these things in the West, but not in other countries.

    One way to explain it is that once the Western intellectual take-off started, its initial success led inevitably to excess, power led to pride, pride brings on hubris, and as Ancient Greeks never tired of repeating, Gods don’t like hubris so an eventual fall cannot be avoided. In a way the Icarus analogy is correct, but the key question is why power and success metastasised in the West instead of finding a sustainable balance. That’s where the more earthy causes I tried to list played a role. I suspect similar dynamic has happened in other civilizations in the past. There are a number of badly explained collapses in the past, from Sumerians to Indus Valley, from Rome to Mayans. Losing a civilizational balance seems fairly common, elites go bad, that’s just part of the setup.

    Anglos chose the good of power – the result is that they became the most powerful force in the planet, but may have destroyed themselves in the process.

    On my more lucid days I blame that on the incredible ugliness of most Anglo women. They are not a pretty sight, I might run off and try some adventures too, damn the consequences. As Anglo women age, they look more and more like men. And as Anglo men age, they often start resembling women. It is just an odd race. Too bad they are taking down the whole culture with them.

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