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In murder rates.

Although gun laws in NY are tough, it’s still incomparably easier to get firepower in there than in London. UK laws are so hardcore that their Olympics shooting team has to practice in France.

There are also almost twice as many Negroes as a share of the population in NYC (25%) versus London (13%) – and the latter’s are higher quality (more of an achievement to migrate from Africa to Britain today than to be enslaved in the 18th century).

Yet even so, NYC of all places is now safer for human life than London.

Although homicides in most of Europe have been consistently much lower than in the US, they often vied for and even “beat” American cities in terms of petty crime.

This is thanks to things such as Three Strikes laws in the US, which might be a bit harsh on career criminals but are a boon for law-abiding citizens. This is why I have never criticized the US imprisonment rate. It’s a good thing. A resegregation in all but name that constrained the ultimate intensity of the crime wave following the post-1960s social dissolution.

Meanwhile, London mayor Sadiq Khan – he for whom terrorism is part and parcel of life in a global city – is cutting down on bobbies, at least those who are not involved in confiscating butter knives (yes, really) and tracking shitposters on Twitter.

 
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  1. A resegregation in all but name that constrained the ultimate intensity of the crime wave following the post-1960s social dissolution.

    What are your views on the causes of that crime wave in the US from the 1960s onwards? A lot of the causes adduced for it seem rather outlandish and quite bizarre (e.g. lead poisoning)…was it just one of the manifestations of too many young people? Or were there other reasons (to be brutally open about it: was it due to lessened deterrence against black criminality, once whites stopped lynching or engaging in lethal collective violence against blacks)?
    Have to admit the American justice system seems rather horrifying to me, with all those stories about people being forced into dubious plea bargains under threat of being locked away forever if they don’t take the offer, or offenders being sentenced to 25 years to life for shop lifting due to those three strikes laws (yes, I understand that happens only in a relatively small minority of cases). But then I suppose the liberal justice regime of the 1960s and 1970s was much worse for the interests of law-abiding citizens. And in any case, the situation in large parts of Europe is just laughable, with sentences being far too lax…but given increasing “diversity” we might eventually reach American conditions…and take similar measures. I certainly wonder at times about the merits of something like this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feindstrafrecht

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    • Replies: @Dmitry
    In America - low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.

    Nice country, but not with safe atmosphere of developed Western European countries.

    *The Americas in general (mainly due to the Latin Americas) have an even higher murder rate than Africa:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
    , @Thorfinnsson


    What are your views on the causes of that crime wave in the US from the 1960s onwards? A lot of the causes adduced for it seem rather outlandish and quite bizarre (e.g. lead poisoning)…was it just one of the manifestations of too many young people? Or were there other reasons (to be brutally open about it: was it due to lessened deterrence against black criminality, once whites stopped lynching or engaging in lethal collective violence against blacks)?
     
    Yes, it really is just black people.

    Prior to the 20th century the blacks lived almost exclusively in the South, where they were well under control outside of of Reconstruction (1865-1879).

    As a result of World War One and the successful effort at restricting immigration, European immigration dried up. Northern capitalists began recruiting labor from the South (both black and white) as a result, leading to the so-called Great Migration.

    Northerners lacked social and legal mechanisms to keep blacks under control other than residential segregation.

    After WW2 liberals suddenly decided that both segregation and punishing criminals was wrong, so city after city was destroyed by blacks criminals. The most dramatic example is Detroit, which was once the most prosperous city in the entire world (seriously).

    Outraged voters elected tough-on-crime politicians, judges, and prosecutors in response. They also successfully pushed for liberalized gun and self defense laws. It succeeded, and after peaking in the early 1990s crime continuously fell until 2014.

    In 2014 it ticked back up as liberals once again decided that punishing black criminals is bad. President Obama very unhelpfully intervened in the Black Lives Matter movement, which caused riots and murders to increase across the country.

    Fortunately as Karlin stated the country has been effectively resegregated, so black people mostly just hurt each other now.


    Have to admit the American justice system seems rather horrifying to me, with all those stories about people being forced into dubious plea bargains under threat of being locked away forever if they don’t take the offer, or offenders being sentenced to 25 years to life for shop lifting due to those three strikes laws (yes, I understand that happens only in a relatively small minority of cases). But then I suppose the liberal justice regime of the 1960s and 1970s was much worse for the interests of law-abiding citizens. And in any case, the situation in large parts of Europe is just laughable, with sentences being far too lax…but given increasing “diversity” we might eventually reach American conditions…and take similar measures. I certainly wonder at times about the merits of something like this:
     
    The American justice system is frequently horrifying, and I've personally been beaten by police officers for instance.

    But there is no humane alternative. Plea bargains are necessary as the courts don't have the resources to give every man a fair trial.
    , @ussr andy
    I'd resurrect sippenhaft. seems to make a lot of sense from an HBD pov and also for the certain kind of crime where the perp doesn't intend to get out alive from in the first place.

    Europe may yet get all that and more by way of exotic legal stuff, what with the social climate deteriorating (making it necessary) and the collective memory of the Middle Ages and/or 20th C. totalitarianisms fading or being crowded out.

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  2. @German_reader

    A resegregation in all but name that constrained the ultimate intensity of the crime wave following the post-1960s social dissolution.
     
    What are your views on the causes of that crime wave in the US from the 1960s onwards? A lot of the causes adduced for it seem rather outlandish and quite bizarre (e.g. lead poisoning)...was it just one of the manifestations of too many young people? Or were there other reasons (to be brutally open about it: was it due to lessened deterrence against black criminality, once whites stopped lynching or engaging in lethal collective violence against blacks)?
    Have to admit the American justice system seems rather horrifying to me, with all those stories about people being forced into dubious plea bargains under threat of being locked away forever if they don't take the offer, or offenders being sentenced to 25 years to life for shop lifting due to those three strikes laws (yes, I understand that happens only in a relatively small minority of cases). But then I suppose the liberal justice regime of the 1960s and 1970s was much worse for the interests of law-abiding citizens. And in any case, the situation in large parts of Europe is just laughable, with sentences being far too lax...but given increasing "diversity" we might eventually reach American conditions...and take similar measures. I certainly wonder at times about the merits of something like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feindstrafrecht

    In America – low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.

    Nice country, but not with safe atmosphere of developed Western European countries.

    *The Americas in general (mainly due to the Latin Americas) have an even higher murder rate than Africa:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

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    In America – low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.
     
    Do rednecks really commit all that much crime? I don't have stats at hand (AK probably has), but my impression is that America's crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.
    , @g2k

    The Americas in general (mainly due to the Latin Americas) have an even higher murder rate than Africa
     
    Is that not just down to underreporting? Anecdotally I've spoken to a lot of STEM working Igbo Nigerians who are terrified of Lagos and Brahmin Indians who tell horror stories of rape victims being raped again and then murdered by the police, especially in Delhi and UP and advise anyone to avoid those places. This is all whilst they were living in the crappiest, crime and gang ridden bedsit hellholes in the UK.
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  3. @Dmitry
    In America - low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.

    Nice country, but not with safe atmosphere of developed Western European countries.

    *The Americas in general (mainly due to the Latin Americas) have an even higher murder rate than Africa:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    In America – low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.

    Do rednecks really commit all that much crime? I don’t have stats at hand (AK probably has), but my impression is that America’s crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.

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    My 2 cents; kinda grew up around the rednecks...

    My experience is that they mostly harm themselves. There does indeed exist a toxic white underclass, but its not the so-called rednecks. By definition the frontier West was full of rednecks, but while their violence levels are high by modern standards, it was hardly comparable to some points where in the US where the cities had death rates approaching war zones.

    There's alcoholism, drug use, rape, etc, lots of nastiness along with the grudges and assault that come with the territory, but I don't recall that much in the way of murder. Despite the availability of guns and frequent references to them, conflicts rarely seemed to escalate to their usage. The only murder that I can recall was someone stabbed to death, and of course, it was drug-related.

    Insofar as there is greater violence with rednecks, it really does feel like the persistence of an honor culture. I might be biased, as I'm very fond of some of them.
    , @Singh
    Murder rate in worst case about 4 mostly 2 or less per 100k

    They mostly harm themselves through Afghani Feem (Opium)

    Black making above 100k has more than double rate of white below 20k

    So..

    Too low of a murder rate is no good either

    White murder rates increase in rural areas with more personal contact. Blacks are reverse

    Latin American rates make sense given that most babies there are bastards.

    More & more look at the social decay in Americas & realize whites face divine retribution for wishing this upon India।।

    The Youth has woken up & will save the west with the old ways though।।
    , @Thorfinnsson

    Do rednecks really commit all that much crime? I don’t have stats at hand (AK probably has), but my impression is that America’s crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.
     

    Daniel Chieh is correct. I live in a redneck area and employ many rednecks.

    They're fine.

    Their crimes consist of domestic violence, drug abuse, bar fights, poaching, and drunk driving. Teenage white girls also like to shoplift (high class white girls do this too). Nothing to get worked up about in other words.

    The kind of home invasions which are routine in rural Britain are never done here since everyone knows it can be fatal. The typical rural town has more firepower than an infantry battalion and that's not an exaggeration.

    American Renaissance routinely publishes The Color of Crime if you want detailed statistics.

    , @Dmitry

    America’s crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.
     
    This is what it was like in Washington DC. The city has a high murder rate, but I was told it is all confined in the negro areas. I guess a lot of unemployed gangsters. If you stay on the tourists parts, nothing will happen to you.

    I found it in interesting in Washington DC, that in the museums, you also see a lot of black tourists and school groups, who are interested in culture and so on. And there are plenty of black employed people, which treat you in very civilized way.

    Whereas in California there seem less black employees (most of the employees in California seem to be Latin from Mexico). But if you walk in the wrong area in Los Angeles, you see a lot of gangster seeming black people drinking beer and having random barbeque in front of the lawn.
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  4. @German_reader

    In America – low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.
     
    Do rednecks really commit all that much crime? I don't have stats at hand (AK probably has), but my impression is that America's crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.

    My 2 cents; kinda grew up around the rednecks…

    My experience is that they mostly harm themselves. There does indeed exist a toxic white underclass, but its not the so-called rednecks. By definition the frontier West was full of rednecks, but while their violence levels are high by modern standards, it was hardly comparable to some points where in the US where the cities had death rates approaching war zones.

    There’s alcoholism, drug use, rape, etc, lots of nastiness along with the grudges and assault that come with the territory, but I don’t recall that much in the way of murder. Despite the availability of guns and frequent references to them, conflicts rarely seemed to escalate to their usage. The only murder that I can recall was someone stabbed to death, and of course, it was drug-related.

    Insofar as there is greater violence with rednecks, it really does feel like the persistence of an honor culture. I might be biased, as I’m very fond of some of them.

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    Amren did feature on it. It's an honor culture as rural areas with close frequent personal contact have higher rates peaking between 4-6 same as UP Bihar & falling quickly to 2 or below 1 in exurbs
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  5. @German_reader

    In America – low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.
     
    Do rednecks really commit all that much crime? I don't have stats at hand (AK probably has), but my impression is that America's crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.

    Murder rate in worst case about 4 mostly 2 or less per 100k

    They mostly harm themselves through Afghani Feem (Opium)

    Black making above 100k has more than double rate of white below 20k

    So..

    Too low of a murder rate is no good either

    White murder rates increase in rural areas with more personal contact. Blacks are reverse

    Latin American rates make sense given that most babies there are bastards.

    More & more look at the social decay in Americas & realize whites face divine retribution for wishing this upon India।।

    The Youth has woken up & will save the west with the old ways though।।

    Read More
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  6. @Daniel Chieh
    My 2 cents; kinda grew up around the rednecks...

    My experience is that they mostly harm themselves. There does indeed exist a toxic white underclass, but its not the so-called rednecks. By definition the frontier West was full of rednecks, but while their violence levels are high by modern standards, it was hardly comparable to some points where in the US where the cities had death rates approaching war zones.

    There's alcoholism, drug use, rape, etc, lots of nastiness along with the grudges and assault that come with the territory, but I don't recall that much in the way of murder. Despite the availability of guns and frequent references to them, conflicts rarely seemed to escalate to their usage. The only murder that I can recall was someone stabbed to death, and of course, it was drug-related.

    Insofar as there is greater violence with rednecks, it really does feel like the persistence of an honor culture. I might be biased, as I'm very fond of some of them.

    Amren did feature on it. It’s an honor culture as rural areas with close frequent personal contact have higher rates peaking between 4-6 same as UP Bihar & falling quickly to 2 or below 1 in exurbs

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  7. the figures push at the facts a bit.
    According to the Times, London beat New York by one murder in February and were on target to beat them by one in March. An anecdote, not a trend, and per pop London remains slightly better as it has a slightly higher pop.
    Then NY gets colder winters, and I haven’t checked but I do suspect street murders are seasonal, and more so in NY.
    And both numbers are around 3 per 100k pa for March, which is high, as one would expect for London relative to average UK(0.92) but suprisingly low for NY relative to whole US(5.88).

    The prison argument would have a lot going for it if it were just NY vs London, but US vs UK the murder rate is 6:1.
    The real causes seem to be jobs in NY relative to other cities, and very recent gang warfare in UK – the jump all seems to be gang knife attacks. Plus guns and culture explaining the major US UK gap.

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  8. @German_reader

    A resegregation in all but name that constrained the ultimate intensity of the crime wave following the post-1960s social dissolution.
     
    What are your views on the causes of that crime wave in the US from the 1960s onwards? A lot of the causes adduced for it seem rather outlandish and quite bizarre (e.g. lead poisoning)...was it just one of the manifestations of too many young people? Or were there other reasons (to be brutally open about it: was it due to lessened deterrence against black criminality, once whites stopped lynching or engaging in lethal collective violence against blacks)?
    Have to admit the American justice system seems rather horrifying to me, with all those stories about people being forced into dubious plea bargains under threat of being locked away forever if they don't take the offer, or offenders being sentenced to 25 years to life for shop lifting due to those three strikes laws (yes, I understand that happens only in a relatively small minority of cases). But then I suppose the liberal justice regime of the 1960s and 1970s was much worse for the interests of law-abiding citizens. And in any case, the situation in large parts of Europe is just laughable, with sentences being far too lax...but given increasing "diversity" we might eventually reach American conditions...and take similar measures. I certainly wonder at times about the merits of something like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feindstrafrecht

    What are your views on the causes of that crime wave in the US from the 1960s onwards? A lot of the causes adduced for it seem rather outlandish and quite bizarre (e.g. lead poisoning)…was it just one of the manifestations of too many young people? Or were there other reasons (to be brutally open about it: was it due to lessened deterrence against black criminality, once whites stopped lynching or engaging in lethal collective violence against blacks)?

    Yes, it really is just black people.

    Prior to the 20th century the blacks lived almost exclusively in the South, where they were well under control outside of of Reconstruction (1865-1879).

    As a result of World War One and the successful effort at restricting immigration, European immigration dried up. Northern capitalists began recruiting labor from the South (both black and white) as a result, leading to the so-called Great Migration.

    Northerners lacked social and legal mechanisms to keep blacks under control other than residential segregation.

    After WW2 liberals suddenly decided that both segregation and punishing criminals was wrong, so city after city was destroyed by blacks criminals. The most dramatic example is Detroit, which was once the most prosperous city in the entire world (seriously).

    Outraged voters elected tough-on-crime politicians, judges, and prosecutors in response. They also successfully pushed for liberalized gun and self defense laws. It succeeded, and after peaking in the early 1990s crime continuously fell until 2014.

    In 2014 it ticked back up as liberals once again decided that punishing black criminals is bad. President Obama very unhelpfully intervened in the Black Lives Matter movement, which caused riots and murders to increase across the country.

    Fortunately as Karlin stated the country has been effectively resegregated, so black people mostly just hurt each other now.

    Have to admit the American justice system seems rather horrifying to me, with all those stories about people being forced into dubious plea bargains under threat of being locked away forever if they don’t take the offer, or offenders being sentenced to 25 years to life for shop lifting due to those three strikes laws (yes, I understand that happens only in a relatively small minority of cases). But then I suppose the liberal justice regime of the 1960s and 1970s was much worse for the interests of law-abiding citizens. And in any case, the situation in large parts of Europe is just laughable, with sentences being far too lax…but given increasing “diversity” we might eventually reach American conditions…and take similar measures. I certainly wonder at times about the merits of something like this:

    The American justice system is frequently horrifying, and I’ve personally been beaten by police officers for instance.

    But there is no humane alternative. Plea bargains are necessary as the courts don’t have the resources to give every man a fair trial.

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    Thanks, that's informative and confirms what I suspected. Depressing. I just don't understand this bizarre perception of American blacks as one of the most wronged peoples in all of history.
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  9. @German_reader

    In America – low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.
     
    Do rednecks really commit all that much crime? I don't have stats at hand (AK probably has), but my impression is that America's crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.

    Do rednecks really commit all that much crime? I don’t have stats at hand (AK probably has), but my impression is that America’s crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.

    Daniel Chieh is correct. I live in a redneck area and employ many rednecks.

    They’re fine.

    Their crimes consist of domestic violence, drug abuse, bar fights, poaching, and drunk driving. Teenage white girls also like to shoplift (high class white girls do this too). Nothing to get worked up about in other words.

    The kind of home invasions which are routine in rural Britain are never done here since everyone knows it can be fatal. The typical rural town has more firepower than an infantry battalion and that’s not an exaggeration.

    American Renaissance routinely publishes The Color of Crime if you want detailed statistics.

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  10. @German_reader

    In America – low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.
     
    Do rednecks really commit all that much crime? I don't have stats at hand (AK probably has), but my impression is that America's crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.

    America’s crime problem is mostly due to its horribly dysfunctional black underclass.

    This is what it was like in Washington DC. The city has a high murder rate, but I was told it is all confined in the negro areas. I guess a lot of unemployed gangsters. If you stay on the tourists parts, nothing will happen to you.

    I found it in interesting in Washington DC, that in the museums, you also see a lot of black tourists and school groups, who are interested in culture and so on. And there are plenty of black employed people, which treat you in very civilized way.

    Whereas in California there seem less black employees (most of the employees in California seem to be Latin from Mexico). But if you walk in the wrong area in Los Angeles, you see a lot of gangster seeming black people drinking beer and having random barbeque in front of the lawn.

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  11. @Thorfinnsson


    What are your views on the causes of that crime wave in the US from the 1960s onwards? A lot of the causes adduced for it seem rather outlandish and quite bizarre (e.g. lead poisoning)…was it just one of the manifestations of too many young people? Or were there other reasons (to be brutally open about it: was it due to lessened deterrence against black criminality, once whites stopped lynching or engaging in lethal collective violence against blacks)?
     
    Yes, it really is just black people.

    Prior to the 20th century the blacks lived almost exclusively in the South, where they were well under control outside of of Reconstruction (1865-1879).

    As a result of World War One and the successful effort at restricting immigration, European immigration dried up. Northern capitalists began recruiting labor from the South (both black and white) as a result, leading to the so-called Great Migration.

    Northerners lacked social and legal mechanisms to keep blacks under control other than residential segregation.

    After WW2 liberals suddenly decided that both segregation and punishing criminals was wrong, so city after city was destroyed by blacks criminals. The most dramatic example is Detroit, which was once the most prosperous city in the entire world (seriously).

    Outraged voters elected tough-on-crime politicians, judges, and prosecutors in response. They also successfully pushed for liberalized gun and self defense laws. It succeeded, and after peaking in the early 1990s crime continuously fell until 2014.

    In 2014 it ticked back up as liberals once again decided that punishing black criminals is bad. President Obama very unhelpfully intervened in the Black Lives Matter movement, which caused riots and murders to increase across the country.

    Fortunately as Karlin stated the country has been effectively resegregated, so black people mostly just hurt each other now.


    Have to admit the American justice system seems rather horrifying to me, with all those stories about people being forced into dubious plea bargains under threat of being locked away forever if they don’t take the offer, or offenders being sentenced to 25 years to life for shop lifting due to those three strikes laws (yes, I understand that happens only in a relatively small minority of cases). But then I suppose the liberal justice regime of the 1960s and 1970s was much worse for the interests of law-abiding citizens. And in any case, the situation in large parts of Europe is just laughable, with sentences being far too lax…but given increasing “diversity” we might eventually reach American conditions…and take similar measures. I certainly wonder at times about the merits of something like this:
     
    The American justice system is frequently horrifying, and I've personally been beaten by police officers for instance.

    But there is no humane alternative. Plea bargains are necessary as the courts don't have the resources to give every man a fair trial.

    Thanks, that’s informative and confirms what I suspected. Depressing. I just don’t understand this bizarre perception of American blacks as one of the most wronged peoples in all of history.

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    When the Detroit riots happened in 1968 - the riots which destroyed the city by showing the remaining whites that blacks were anti-civilizational and could not be placated - blacks in the area had only 3% unemployment. As a large group, they were literally the most prosperous blacks in the world. More prosperous than many whites in Europe, and they had just won a series of political victories on top of all that.
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    Thanks, that's informative and confirms what I suspected. Depressing. I just don't understand this bizarre perception of American blacks as one of the most wronged peoples in all of history.

    When the Detroit riots happened in 1968 – the riots which destroyed the city by showing the remaining whites that blacks were anti-civilizational and could not be placated – blacks in the area had only 3% unemployment. As a large group, they were literally the most prosperous blacks in the world. More prosperous than many whites in Europe, and they had just won a series of political victories on top of all that.

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  13. @German_reader

    A resegregation in all but name that constrained the ultimate intensity of the crime wave following the post-1960s social dissolution.
     
    What are your views on the causes of that crime wave in the US from the 1960s onwards? A lot of the causes adduced for it seem rather outlandish and quite bizarre (e.g. lead poisoning)...was it just one of the manifestations of too many young people? Or were there other reasons (to be brutally open about it: was it due to lessened deterrence against black criminality, once whites stopped lynching or engaging in lethal collective violence against blacks)?
    Have to admit the American justice system seems rather horrifying to me, with all those stories about people being forced into dubious plea bargains under threat of being locked away forever if they don't take the offer, or offenders being sentenced to 25 years to life for shop lifting due to those three strikes laws (yes, I understand that happens only in a relatively small minority of cases). But then I suppose the liberal justice regime of the 1960s and 1970s was much worse for the interests of law-abiding citizens. And in any case, the situation in large parts of Europe is just laughable, with sentences being far too lax...but given increasing "diversity" we might eventually reach American conditions...and take similar measures. I certainly wonder at times about the merits of something like this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feindstrafrecht

    I’d resurrect sippenhaft. seems to make a lot of sense from an HBD pov and also for the certain kind of crime where the perp doesn’t intend to get out alive from in the first place.

    Europe may yet get all that and more by way of exotic legal stuff, what with the social climate deteriorating (making it necessary) and the collective memory of the Middle Ages and/or 20th C. totalitarianisms fading or being crowded out.

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    I’d resurrect sippenhaft. seems to make a lot of sense from an HBD pov
     
    Not sure if you're serious...but tbh there might be certain groups for whom this might be necessary.
    In some German cities (e.g. Berlin, Bremen) there are big issues with criminal Lebanese clans who are living off organized crime...and not only are they threatening and trying to intimidate witnesses and even policemen, public prosecutors etc., there are now suggestions that they keep some of their family members deliberately away from crime and task them with becoming policemen, in an attempt to infiltrate and undermine state authorities (aided of course by braindead left-wingers who want to diversify the police force).
    It may be unfair from a Western individualist perspective, but such criminal family groups might indeed have to be treated as the collective entities which they are.
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  14. @ussr andy
    I'd resurrect sippenhaft. seems to make a lot of sense from an HBD pov and also for the certain kind of crime where the perp doesn't intend to get out alive from in the first place.

    Europe may yet get all that and more by way of exotic legal stuff, what with the social climate deteriorating (making it necessary) and the collective memory of the Middle Ages and/or 20th C. totalitarianisms fading or being crowded out.

    I’d resurrect sippenhaft. seems to make a lot of sense from an HBD pov

    Not sure if you’re serious…but tbh there might be certain groups for whom this might be necessary.
    In some German cities (e.g. Berlin, Bremen) there are big issues with criminal Lebanese clans who are living off organized crime…and not only are they threatening and trying to intimidate witnesses and even policemen, public prosecutors etc., there are now suggestions that they keep some of their family members deliberately away from crime and task them with becoming policemen, in an attempt to infiltrate and undermine state authorities (aided of course by braindead left-wingers who want to diversify the police force).
    It may be unfair from a Western individualist perspective, but such criminal family groups might indeed have to be treated as the collective entities which they are.

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    but such criminal family groups might indeed have to be treated as the collective entities which they are.
     
    And this needn't even involve something like Sippenhaft in the narrow sense.
    It could mean something like this: The police and other state authorities draw up a list of criminal clans.
    If you belong to an officially recognized criminal clan, you're automatically barred from any position in state employment, no matter your personal record.
    One could also reverse the burden of proof regarding property and financial assets. If such people can't prove they got their wealth through legitimate means, their assets should just be confiscated.
    Cutting off welfare payments and taking the children of criminal clans away from their families to put them into state orphanages might also be productive.
    There's a lot one could do without going the full concentration camp route.
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    I’d resurrect sippenhaft. seems to make a lot of sense from an HBD pov
     
    Not sure if you're serious...but tbh there might be certain groups for whom this might be necessary.
    In some German cities (e.g. Berlin, Bremen) there are big issues with criminal Lebanese clans who are living off organized crime...and not only are they threatening and trying to intimidate witnesses and even policemen, public prosecutors etc., there are now suggestions that they keep some of their family members deliberately away from crime and task them with becoming policemen, in an attempt to infiltrate and undermine state authorities (aided of course by braindead left-wingers who want to diversify the police force).
    It may be unfair from a Western individualist perspective, but such criminal family groups might indeed have to be treated as the collective entities which they are.

    but such criminal family groups might indeed have to be treated as the collective entities which they are.

    And this needn’t even involve something like Sippenhaft in the narrow sense.
    It could mean something like this: The police and other state authorities draw up a list of criminal clans.
    If you belong to an officially recognized criminal clan, you’re automatically barred from any position in state employment, no matter your personal record.
    One could also reverse the burden of proof regarding property and financial assets. If such people can’t prove they got their wealth through legitimate means, their assets should just be confiscated.
    Cutting off welfare payments and taking the children of criminal clans away from their families to put them into state orphanages might also be productive.
    There’s a lot one could do without going the full concentration camp route.

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  16. Khan isn’t taking heat on the crime figures since has been pinning the blame on crime rising on all the cuts the Tories have been making to policing budgets since 2010. I am not sure where AK has come up with the comment that he was responsible for reducing police numbers. He has been consistently been asking for more police funding, dating back to his 2016 election campaign. He even switched to supporting stop and search at the beginning of the year, which has massively annoyed black Labour MPs David Lammy and Diane Abbott.

    The Tories will probably see heavy losses in the local London elections. They are seen as being responsible for Brexit which has really shaken business confidence here and is massively unpopular. There is also the perception the Tories are playing political games with the city as a Labour mayor is seen as a threat to them. They spent the last few weeks alleging that Jeremy Corbyn was some sort of Cold War informant for the Soviets which was seen as irrelevant by the electorate and made them seem ridiculous when it looked like they were not paying attention to law and order, an issue voters actually care about.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-2017-london-met-police-cuts-sadiq-khan-mayor-conservative-tory-amber-rudd-a8053816.html

    http://www.cityam.com/240952/mayor-of-london-sadiq-khan-welcomes-more-armed-police-in-london

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40165048

    https://www.ft.com/content/62339c56-49e5-11e7-a3f4-c742b9791d43

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  17. g2k says:
    @Dmitry
    In America - low social capital, easy access to guns, cowboy/redneck/gangster/hiphop/tupac culture (as in all the Americas except Canada)* and a lot of inadequate and mentally ill people walking openly in the streets.

    Nice country, but not with safe atmosphere of developed Western European countries.

    *The Americas in general (mainly due to the Latin Americas) have an even higher murder rate than Africa:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    The Americas in general (mainly due to the Latin Americas) have an even higher murder rate than Africa

    Is that not just down to underreporting? Anecdotally I’ve spoken to a lot of STEM working Igbo Nigerians who are terrified of Lagos and Brahmin Indians who tell horror stories of rape victims being raped again and then murdered by the police, especially in Delhi and UP and advise anyone to avoid those places. This is all whilst they were living in the crappiest, crime and gang ridden bedsit hellholes in the UK.

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    That's possible - and I doubt reporting definitions of crimes are the same across all countries.
    , @Singh
    Maybe. Third world changes quick and someone's perception of a place one decades ago can quickly become outdated.

    Africa may be more rural than the Americas thus not having the population density to engage in high levels of violent crime.
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    The Americas in general (mainly due to the Latin Americas) have an even higher murder rate than Africa
     
    Is that not just down to underreporting? Anecdotally I've spoken to a lot of STEM working Igbo Nigerians who are terrified of Lagos and Brahmin Indians who tell horror stories of rape victims being raped again and then murdered by the police, especially in Delhi and UP and advise anyone to avoid those places. This is all whilst they were living in the crappiest, crime and gang ridden bedsit hellholes in the UK.

    That’s possible – and I doubt reporting definitions of crimes are the same across all countries.

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  19. @g2k

    The Americas in general (mainly due to the Latin Americas) have an even higher murder rate than Africa
     
    Is that not just down to underreporting? Anecdotally I've spoken to a lot of STEM working Igbo Nigerians who are terrified of Lagos and Brahmin Indians who tell horror stories of rape victims being raped again and then murdered by the police, especially in Delhi and UP and advise anyone to avoid those places. This is all whilst they were living in the crappiest, crime and gang ridden bedsit hellholes in the UK.

    Maybe. Third world changes quick and someone’s perception of a place one decades ago can quickly become outdated.

    Africa may be more rural than the Americas thus not having the population density to engage in high levels of violent crime.

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