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First, the US – along with other high IQ countries – is one of the very safest countries for young women in the world. Rape in civilized countries is an order of magnitude or two lower than in the Third World.

College campuses, where people are generally brighter than average, can be expected to be even safer (convicts have 1 S.D. lower IQs than the population at large – and rapists have even lower IQs than other violent convicts).

By these measures, Yale should be in the 99th percentile of safety from rape even in the US. It is one of the very safest places for young women in the entire world.

But there’s some additional, pretty minor details:

  1. Never reported these “rape gang” parties to the police.
  2. Neither did any of her friends.
  3. Can’t recall the date of the party.
  4. Claims she has a fear of flying, but stayed at an airport hotel in Maryland this August
  5. Long-term boyfriend says she never mentioned Kavanaugh in their 6 years together nor suffered from fear of flying
  6. Helped a friend prepare for a lie detector test
  7. Cheated on said boyfriend
  8. Committed credit card fraud against boyfriend when he decided to drop the crazy

So Kavanaugh almost certainly raped nothing except SJW feelz.

Even if many psychopathic status maximizing Bioleninists beg to differ.

ioffe-kovalev-psycho

Seriously, I don’t even care about Kavanaugh. Being a foreigner I have no reason to (except, perhaps, insofar as how this imbroglio influences the coming midterm elections).

But this witch-hunt – with white, intelligent, successful, conservative Chads playing the role of latter-day witches – has reached levels of flat on its face absurdity that shouldn’t even be possible.

 
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  1. Absurd case imo, what happened to presumption of innocence? The whole thing is totally unprovable. And even if he did something inappropriate (my understanding is, he’s not even accused of consummated rape), it’s bizarre that the alleged misdeeds of a teenager are brought up like this almost 40 years later.
    US liberals are just total scum.

  2. You should add the proposed solutions (by Martin van Creveld and Ayatollah Khamenei) I and German_reader linked in the other thread! They are hilarious.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  3. LOL You seem to trust Western media on Russia, why don’t you trust them on Kavanaugh?

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
  4. Dmitry says:

    Obviously developed country like America is much more safe for women, than any undeveloped country.

    And probably also, educated or bourgeois environment, is even safer than this.

    However, university campus, especially in traditional American style where it can be quite isolated from the city – will be expectedly an environment with high rates of rape reports.

    This is where isolated young people, desperate for sex, and drunk, are living without jobs and with a lot of free time for having parties in which they don’t remember what happened the day later.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Dissident
  5. The Kavanaugh affair is energizing Republican voters and appears to be redpilling boomercons and cuckservatives. Lindsey Graham sounds like a man for the first time in his life. Mitch McConnell has made it quietly known that any Republican Senator who does not vote to confirm Kavanaugh will be a persona non grata in the party. Such Senators can expect to be primaried and have doors closed to them if they become lobbyists.

    Odds of a Blue Wave have now gone down, and it seems like that the GOP will even add Senate seats.

    Own goal by Feinstein and the Democrats. Kavanaugh will be confirmed and furious Middle American conservatives will turn out to the polls.

    As for the allegations, I don’t doubt that annihilated mackerel snapping lace curtain preppies groped Easy Blasey (as she was known in the 1980s), perhaps even without her consent (who cares). No doubt Easy Blasey got groped and then some at many keggers. I do however doubt that it was Brett Kavanaugh on that alleged day.

    Incidentally, the early 1980s were the peak years of teenage partying in America. This can be seen in films from the era such as Animal House, Back to School, Pretty in Pink, etc.
    Kavanaugh’s partying behavior was still normal and ordinary when I was a teenager for that matter. I don’t recall anyone ever running a train on the girl (though I have heard of people in the US military doing this), but one girl blew a guy on the high school dance floor in front of everyone.

    Pretty much every weekend revolved around how to score beer (favored solution: garage hopping), where you could party, and how to get girls to show up (having beer and weed and a place to consume both was generally sufficient). The Stacies for their part were enthusiastic about getting drrrruuuuunk and hooking up with Chads. A good time was had by all, except one girl who drank so much she blacked out and started foaming at the mouth. The party host made the error of stuffing her in a closet rather than, you know, taking her to a hospital. This was made worse by the fact that she happened to be completely naked (she was known for stripping every time she got drunk).

  6. @Thorfinnsson

    The Kavanaugh affair is energizing Republican voters

    Midterms electorate is statistically whiter, and whites in the modern era vote Republican. You still have a problem with Florida and potentially Georgia turning blue in 2020. If not 2020, it will surely happen in 2024. It’s only a matter of time.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @AquariusAnon
  7. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Not that there wasn’t enough real dirty laundry in K’s past.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-brett-kavanaugh-must-be-asked-about-torture-guantanamo-and-mass-surveillance

    ( I know, on this blog, only good raghead is dead raghead, the more suffering the better. But the majority is not yet so woke as you.)

    • Replies: @German_reader
  8. Beckow says:

    …has reached levels of flat on its face absurdity that shouldn’t even be possible.

    Any society always generates some crazy women. When you lose the ability to control them this happens.

    Kavanaugh didn’t ‘rape‘ anyone (among the ones who popped up so far). This is just a symbolic ritual to affirm the metastasizing ideology of multi-feminist-homo-one-world fanatics. They are on a roll, next they will discover that Kavanaugh is maybe ‘part-Russian’ or that young Putin slipped him that ‘grain alcohol’. (Could there be sanctions for that?)

    There is harmony in reaching levels where all can finally be explained, no doubt, reality doesn’t intrude. People who lack real experiences (like most Americans) crave clarity, I am surprised it took this long.

    What is sad is the inability of the remaining sane establishment in Washington to handle this. They are cornered, this will escalate more. And then they will re-open the mental institutions.

  9. @anon

    Sure, his actions during the Bush administration can certainly be criticized with good reason and might be legitimately adduced to exclude him from the Supreme court.
    It’s kind of symptomatic of US political discourse that this isn’t brought up (because both political parties are in essential agreement about many elements of US foreign policy), instead one gets this bizarre spectacle about teenage misdeeds, with high school yearbooks as “evidence”.
    (And I’ve never taken the position “only good raghead is dead raghead”, I’m opposed to Western interventions in the Mideast. I’m not going to pretend though that Islam is just fine and the presence of Muslims in Europe not a serious problem).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Dissident
  10. I think we can permanently flip the Upper Midwest and even make inroads into New England. Trump would’ve won New Hampshire if not for that stupid slut Kelly Ayotte torpedoing them both, and he picked up one EV With Trump and populism now normal, we should be able to recapture suburban moderates in places like Virginia and Colorado. Asians might be more malleable than we’ve seen as well–they voted 49% Republican in the 2014 mid-terms (and were once a Republican constituency, though that owes much to demographics and the Cold War).

    But sure, you’re right about the fundamental part. Time is running out, and Trump while nice is by far not enough. The country needs Ben Tillman, not Trump.

    We don’t need the H-man as we can simply execute Operation Thorfinnsson to permanently encode white supremacy into the US Constitution. Kris Kobach could plausibly do something like this, and he’s about to be elected Governor of Kansas.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  11. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    House, Back to School, Pretty in Pink, etc.

    American films about highschool, are not mostly completely surreal fantasy, but have how much reality?

    -

    My imagination of the American classroom, is infected with surreal scenes like this classic film Donnie Darko:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  12. @German_reader

    I’ve never taken the position “only good raghead is dead raghead”

    No one has in these threads. I don’t know where this anonymous is getting this idea, but he’s wrong.

    Almost all commenters here oppose Western (and long term, even Russian) intervention in the Middle East.

  13. Whereas female behavior in modern times is highly slutty (not that I’m complaining! – at least personally…) this goes against the human evolutionary heritage – not to mention the superstructure created by the traditional private property system – which prizes female chastity.

    Is this bro science or do you can present scientific evidence about this?

  14. Though their conduct may be despicable, one has to admit that the Democrats are playing the Kavanaugh game with exceptional Machiavellian skill. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that any system in which such tactics work is a grim engineering disaster.— Lex Corvus ♔ (@LexCorvus) 18 september 2018

  15. LondonBob says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Wisconsin will flip next time. US is transitioning from sectional voting (South, Backcountry, Mid Atlantic, Yankeedom) to racial.

    Smart of Trump to drag the Kavanaugh thing out, energising the base.

  16. iffen says:

    Being a foreigner I have no reason

    Stop writing shit like this. You ain’t no furerner. Less’n you renounced.

  17. iffen says:
    @Dmitry

    D., did you ever not remember what happen the day before?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  18. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Lindsey Graham sounds like a man for the first time in his life.

    John McCain ain’t around to bitch-slap him every week.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @anon
  19. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    appears to be redpilling boomercons and cuckservatives.

    A major disappointment for boomers (Not the Greatest Generation): our peace dividend check bounced higher than Neil Armstrong.

  20. @iffen

    Huh? Is this directed at me?

    • Replies: @iffen
  21. Twinkie says:
    @reiner Tor

    What’s this? Something about van Creveld?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  22. Based Russian anchor:

    • Agree: ussr andy
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @ussr andy
  23. @Twinkie

    Based van Creveld:

    https://www.martin-van-creveld.com/some-solutions/

    And the good ayatollah:

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  24. iffen says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Is this directed at me?

    Yes, I noticed that you finally got something correct.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  25. @iffen

    Well, I guess it’s a good thing I discovered ignore function. You never say anything funny or interesting anyway. :)

    • Replies: @iffen
  26. neutral says:

    I think of the people that keep being hysterical about how Iran or North Korea getting nuclear weapons, however those regimes are stable and civilized. Now compare this to the increasingly deranged society in America, the fact that these lunatics have these weapons is way scarier.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @iffen
  27. iffen says:
    @neutral

    the fact that these lunatics have these weapons is way scarier.

    Throw in the obvious (we are the only ones to have ever used them) and you might need to stay up nights worrying.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    , @Reg Cæsar
  28. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    Kiselyov only says things, which are good propaganda for the authorities. So if it can portray story about the decaying West, then he will create narrative about it so people can feel better about themselves. But if it’s a topic, where West would look good, then we won’t hear any interesting information.

    In other words, why would I waste time to watch video of him, instead of reading directly the English sources about the story? I could learn more information in five seconds of reading in English, then deciding my own view, than from listening to that video.

  29. Dmitry says:
    @iffen

    If you’re asking me personally? I never drink until I fall unconscious, or enough that I can’t remember things.

    But there are a lot of people who drink until they can’t remember, and who drink until they fall unconscious. And girls at that age (university age), who drink until they are vomiting unconscious in some bathroom, is not uncommon, even without the introduction of “date rape drugs” – it’s no wonder why American universities might develop some epidemic of rape reports, and some of this will also be attributable to “false memory syndrome”.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @The Alarmist
  30. inertial says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Pretty much every weekend revolved around how to score beer (favored solution: garage hopping), where you could party, and how to get girls to show up (having beer and weed and a place to consume both was generally sufficient). The Stacies for their part were enthusiastic about getting drrrruuuuunk and hooking up with Chads. A good time was had by all, except one girl who drank so much she blacked out and started foaming at the mouth. The party host made the error of stuffing her in a closet rather than, you know, taking her to a hospital. This was made worse by the fact that she happened to be completely naked (she was known for stripping every time she got drunk).

    You grew up among WASP upper class kids, right? Or at least so you claimed in a past comment.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  31. @inertial

    Yes. Social milieu was in other words not very different than how Brett Kavanaugh grew up, other than that in my WASPy community papists were a minority.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @inertial
  32. @Dmitry

    Millions of ordinary Russians, who don’t understand English, know nothing about American politics etc, will watch Kiselev and get the idea that feminism is uncool. That kind of state-administered propaganda can be a force for good.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  33. Dmitry says:
    @Felix Keverich

    That’s probably even a valid statement.

    Still, why would we watch him?

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  34. I watched the Senate testimony and my overriding impression was that no serious country would allow its senior legislative chamber to be run by dessicated octogenerians.

  35. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Still, you did not answer my question about American high school films, like Donnie Darko? This genre is actually, in some way, accurate?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  36. Twinkie says:
    @reiner Tor

    Ha ha. Very van Creveld. He did, after all, write a whole book on women as the privileged sex. I like him even more now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. iffen says:
    @Dmitry

    If you’re asking me personally?

    Yes, but rhetorical.

    But there are a lot of people who drink until they can’t remember,

    I do not believe this to be a fact. I would need some solid scientific work to make me change my mind.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @dearieme
  38. @Dmitry

    Just watched the scene. Doesn’t strike me as surreal fantasy at all. I don’t even know what’s surreal about it to you.

    The teacher is anachronistic as she’s supposed to represent some sort of postwar conservative female archetype, but vapid female teachers are the norm in American education.

    American high school / college films are not so different from reality. Biggest thing that’s wrong with them is that they make it seem like everyone is obsessed with the cliques and pecking order. In reality there are also people who don’t care, which shouldn’t be surprising.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  39. @iffen

    I was an alcoholic for the better part of a decade. Generally drank until I passed out. Frequently didn’t remember things.

    • Replies: @iffen
  40. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Lol, so they actually teach shit like this.

    American highschools, in the films, often seem like some kind of dark nightmare, which makes me think the writers of the films actually traumatized by American school.

    -

    In this classic Donnie Darko, actually, whole school is more like a surreal fantasy (even the building is not like a school building).

    everyone is obsessed with the cliques and pecking order. In reality there are also people who don’t care, which shouldn’t be surprising.

    Have you seen Breakfast Club? It’s more like theatre than cinema – they are talking the whole film about this topic until they have a mental breakdown.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  41. @Dmitry

    I am an actual Westerner and native English speaker as you know.

    I watched the video. It was quite good, other than the unfortunate error of claiming Easy Blasey is a physics professor.

    The perspective he offered is generally not available in Western media at all.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  42. @Dmitry

    I did not go through that particular lesson plan, but for instance when I was in third grade (age ten or so) I recall my elementary school hired a “self-esteem coach” who encouraged us to have high opinions of ourselves for some reason. I suppose it was a success in my case. Americans are big on nonsensical psychobabble.

    American society is also unusually extroverted for a white one, so encouraging students to speak publicly and make various presentations is common.

    I have indeed seen The Breakfast Club. It’s hammed up, but I for instance went through similar things when I was involved in group activities which mixed people of different levels of popularity. My Lutheran church for instance had activities, events, and even missionary trips for teenagers. I did two of these missionary trips, and on them I was very friendly with people who within high school I would not necessarily have talked to otherwise.

    Likewise I also engaged in high school sports (a big deal in America), which produced a similar dynamic.

    These cross-popularity friendships we developed led us to acknowledge and talk to each other within school, but generally we refrained from socializing together outside of our activities.

    The same sort of thing happens in jail incidentally, which I’ve had the misfortune of spending some time in.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  43. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    A retarded propaganda television, though. He might even be correct sometimes – his job is to describe how terrible the West is, so sometimes he will be accurate. But I would not want to waste time to find out, since underlying purpose is government propaganda for cattle.

    -

    By the way, have you seen Donnie Darko? This is pretty classic – even to rewatch it.

    https://www5.putlockertv.to/watch/donnie-darko.kwvv/2on71q

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  44. @Dmitry

    I saw it when it was new, but I don’t really remember it.

    I assume for you watching your native media is as boring as watching my native media is to me. But seeing the media of other countries is interesting.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  45. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    within high school I would not necessarily have talked to otherwise.

    This kind of impassable caste system is a unique part in American high-school I guess…

    I think it was in the Sailer blog, where he hypothesized a lot of the dislike of Trump from journalists, is he (Trump) reminds them of sports team players who used to bully them in highschool.

    -

    Funnily, “prom king” and “prom queen”, was developing in the 1950s, according to Wikipedia, with an aim of “fighting homosexuality”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prom#History

  46. @Thorfinnsson

    “The Kavanaugh affair is energizing Republican voters and appears to be redpilling boomercons and cuckservatives. Lindsey Graham sounds like a man for the first time in his life. Mitch McConnell has made it quietly known that any Republican Senator who does not vote to confirm Kavanaugh will be a persona non grata in the party.”

    Sounds more like the Kavanaugh affair is blue-pilling (as in Viagra) the Republican Party.

  47. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    I suspect that a part of liberals’ anger towards Kavanaugh is that, as an originalist, he is going to be unlikely to show much–if any–mercy to other people who did bad things in their teenage years. For instance, Kavanaugh might uphold a death penalty sentence for someone who committed, say, rape or murder during their teenage years.

  48. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    For the record, I am not unequivocally opposed to forgiving him for things that he did as a teen (such as this attempted rape). However, I share liberals’ concern that Kavanaugh would probably be unlikely to forgive other teens for their misdeeds if their cases ever reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Dmitry
  49. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Definitely some kind of “idiocracy” here

  50. @Mr. XYZ

    for things that he did as a teen (such as this attempted rape)

    But it’s not clear that even happened, it’s impossible to prove or disprove.
    As for teenage murderers, tbh I’m not even sure that they shouldn’t be executed for especially heinous crimes (though sending them to some horrible labor camp somewhere in the tropics for 40 years or so might also be sufficient).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  51. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Generally, judges of all kinds, are not people I likely feel sympathy for.

    Probably two kind of unpleasant characters becoming judges of either liberal or conservative views.

    Perhaps “liberal judges”, more often “judicial activists”, who want power, through trying to change society without being elected.

    While “conservative judges”, more often “authoritarian personality”, who enjoy power to punish people who don’t conform to rules.

  52. @Dmitry

    “But there are a lot of people who drink until they can’t remember, and who drink until they fall unconscious.”

    And if you ask them if they have done either, they can truthfully answer that they do not recall.

  53. @Dmitry

    It’s perfectly passable. In high school I was not popular (nor unpopular) owing to my natural nerdy tendencies and thought that things like dressing well or having a good haircut were irrational. I was someone who did not care about cliques at all.

    As an adult I came to realize that in fact these things are important, and I became someone who is popular.

    The people who hate Kavanaugh are those who chose to remain unattractive losers for their whole lives.

  54. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    It seems this kind of accusation, is “style of the times” or new fashion for the American 2018.

    Elon Musk, symbol of the epoch, and he called this summer randomly the diver who rescued kids in Thailand, “child rapist”:

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  55. @Dmitry

    Not at all! The feminists have finally figured out that they need to lease a few hot babes to get more eyeballs for their protests.

  56. @Mr. XYZ

    I suspect that a part of liberals’ anger towards Kavanaugh is that, as an originalist, he is going to be unlikely to show much–if any–mercy to other people who did bad things in their teenage years.

    Aside from ‘underage drinking’, what did he actually do?

  57. @Dmitry

    Can’t wait for the day when the term “American-style sex” comes to vogue complete with mutual consent forms to fill out, video recordings, and witnesses to agree on each escalation was consensual.

  58. Yevardian says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Simply disgusting! Almost makes me empathise with Talha.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  59. Anonymous[679] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Hey, Twinkie, speaking of Martin van Creveld, do you have any military history book recommendations? (Relating to any subtopic, time period or nation.) I ask because I read van Creveld’s books Fighting Power and the Transformation of War after you favorably referred to them, and found both quite cogent and informative.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  60. Bliss says:

    I watched about an hour of Kavanaugh defending himself and it was obvious that the guy had no business being any kind of judge, fuggedabout about Supreme Court judge. Even his family must have been embarrassed watching him act so juvenile, so undignified. Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, appointed by a Republican President, agrees:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/retired-justice-stevens-calls-kavanaughs-hearing-performance-disqualifying/2018/10/04/70c4a36e-c81a-11e8-b2b5-79270f9cce17_story.html?utm_term=.4c03edcea1b9

    Retired Justice Stevens calls Kavanaugh’s hearing performance disqualifying

    So do over 2400 law professors from around the country who signed the following petition:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/03/opinion/kavanaugh-law-professors-letter.html

    Judicial temperament is one of the most important qualities of a judge. As the Congressional Research Service explains, a judge requires “a personality that is even-handed, unbiased, impartial, courteous yet firm, and dedicated to a process, not a result.” The concern for judicial temperament dates back to our founding; in Federalist 78, titled “Judges as Guardians of the Constitution,” Alexander Hamilton expressed the need for “the integrity and moderation of the judiciary.”

    We are law professors who teach, research and write about the judicial institutions of this country. Many of us appear in state and federal court, and our work means that we will continue to do so, including before the United States Supreme Court. We regret that we feel compelled to write to you, our Senators, to provide our views that at the Senate hearings on Sept. 27, Judge Brett Kavanaugh displayed a lack of judicial temperament that would be disqualifying for any court, and certainly for elevation to the highest court of this land.

    The question at issue was of course painful for anyone. But Judge Kavanaugh exhibited a lack of commitment to judicious inquiry. Instead of being open to the necessary search for accuracy, Judge Kavanaugh was repeatedly aggressive with questioners. Even in his prepared remarks, Judge Kavanaugh described the hearing as partisan, referring to it as “a calculated and orchestrated political hit,” rather than acknowledging the need for the Senate, faced with new information, to try to understand what had transpired. Instead of trying to sort out with reason and care the allegations that were raised, Judge Kavanaugh responded in an intemperate, inflammatory and partial manner, as he interrupted and, at times, was discourteous to senators.

    As you know, under two statutes governing bias and recusal, judges must step aside if they are at risk of being perceived as or of being unfair. As Congress has previously put it, a judge or justice “shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.” These statutes are part of a myriad of legal commitments to the impartiality of the judiciary, which is the cornerstone of the courts.

    We have differing views about the other qualifications of Judge Kavanaugh. But we are united, as professors of law and scholars of judicial institutions, in believing that he did not display the impartiality and judicial temperament requisite to sit on the highest court of our land.

    • Replies: @blahbahblah
    , @Thorfinnsson
  61. @Bliss

    Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, appointed by a Republican President, agrees:

    Are you non-American or a stupid American? Stevens was one of the most liberal justices of all time… who cares who appointed him.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Bliss
  62. @blahbahblah

    Left of most explicitly liberal justices.

  63. ussr andy says:
    @reiner Tor

    this is art. I wowed-just-wowed, wasn’t being able to even!11 and was checking the calendar to reassure myself it’s the current year, for all 10 minutes of the segment.

  64. Being a foreigner I have no reason to (except, perhaps, insofar as how this imbroglio influences the coming midterm elections).

    According to the US Constitution, these are end-of-term elections coming up. You can be a really good foreigner– better than many Americans– by not using that inaccurate term.

  65. Bliss says:
    @blahbahblah

    Stevens was a Supreme Court Justice, appointed by a Republican President, who was a supporter of Kavanaugh until his behavior at the Senate hearing compelled him to change his mind. So what the hell was your point? Talk about stupid….

    From the same link in my previous post:

    Stevens, who served on the Supreme Court from 1975 to 2010, told the audience that he had praised one of Kavanaugh’s rulings on campaign finance in a book that Stevens wrote in 2014. “At that time, I thought [Kavanaugh] had the qualifications for the Supreme Court should he be selected,” Stevens said, according to the Palm Beach Post. “I’ve changed my views for reasons that have no relationship to his intellectual ability. . . . I feel his performance in the hearings ultimately changed my mind.”

    On Thursday, Stevens noted that both senators and commentators said Kavanaugh’s defense of his reputation crossed a line. “I think there’s merit to that criticism and I think the senators should really pay attention to that,” Stevens said at an event held by the Institute for Learning in Retirement.

    Kavanaugh and his allies have touted the recognition the judge received from Stevens regarding a decision on whether foreigners may contribute to U.S. political campaigns. Kavanaugh, who has served on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit since 2006, said in a speech that he was touched to have received a note from Stevens praising the decision.

  66. @Bliss

    Go fuck yourself with that bullshit… Stevens is to the left of Ginsberg and he never came out in support of Kavanaugh.

  67. @Bliss

    He’s a hard liberal. No reason to care a whit about his thought at the end of the day.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  68. Okechukwu says:

    First, the US – along with other high IQ countries – is one of the very safest countries for young women in the world. Rape in civilized countries is an order of magnitude or two lower than in the Third World.

    Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Rape is a largely unreported, largely acquaintance crime. It knows no IQ, wealth, poverty or social class. Poor people do not rape more than rich people.

    College campuses, where people are generally brighter than average, can be expected to be even safer (convicts have 1 S.D. lower IQs than the population at large – and rapists have even lower IQs than other violent convicts).

    Is that right?

    The Rape Epidemic On College Campuses: What Needs To Change To Keep Students Safe

    http://thewomansreport.com/rape-epidemic-college-campuses-needs-change/

    I take back everything I said about you residing in America. Only a Russian troll who’s never traveled outside his village would write this kind of junk. You better believe that women aren’t safe around a bunch of testosterone-fueled drunken frat boys. If you’d ever been to one of these parties you’d notice that conscientious girls who don’t want to be raped carefully monitor their alcohol consumption. They also never leave their drink unattended for fear of having it spiked. Sure, some girls want to party and don’t mind getting gangbanged. Some girls even administer the roofies to themselves. Apparently, Dr. Ford wasn’t that type of girl.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Thorfinnsson
  69. iffen says:

    I would be inclined to believe Dr. Ford if, instead of accusing him of putting his hand over her mouth, she had said he tried to put a bag over her head.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  70. Twinkie says:
    @Anonymous

    A History of Warfare by John Keegan.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  71. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    And the retired Supreme Court Justice is not alone in changing his mind about Kavanaugh:

    https://theintercept.com/2018/10/03/brett-kavanaugh-georgetown-prep-petition/

    The American Bar Association withdrew its support for Kavanaugh, as has Yale Law School, which is Kavanaugh’s legal alma mater and had quickly and enthusiastically embraced him when his nomination was announced.

    Additionally, three former law clerks for Kavanaugh who previously supported him have pulled back

    And a prominent conservative legal writer, Benjamin Wittes, published an article on Tuesday with the devastating headline, “I Know Brett Kavanaugh, but I Wouldn’t Confirm Him.”

    Trump could turn this raging controversy into another victory for himself by withdrawing Kavanaugh’s nomination, not because of the accusations against him but because of his temperament, and then nominating a female judge.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Thorfinnsson
  72. Okechukwu says:

    Trump could turn this raging controversy into another victory for himself by withdrawing Kavanaugh’s nomination, not because of the accusations against him but because of his temperament, and then nominating a female judge.

    The current whip count is below the threshold for confirmation. Collins, Flake, Manchin and Murkowski are the wild cards. Three of them have to vote no to keep Kavanaugh off the bench, assuming the Dems have don’t have any defections.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  73. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    He’s a hard liberal.

    No “hard liberal” would have supported Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court in the first place. Especially at a time like this.

    Did you watch the hearing? Didn’t you cringe at Kavanaugh’s behavior? How can you justify putting a guy like that in the Supreme Court?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  74. Bliss says:
    @Okechukwu

    You are following it a lot closer than me. And I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about the process than me. Is it too late for Trump to withdraw the nomination?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  75. Twinkie says:
    @Bliss

    Trump could turn this raging controversy into another victory for himself by withdrawing Kavanaugh’s nomination

    Gee, thanks for the really thoughtful suggestion, no doubt given with the best intentions.

    then nominating a female judge.

    Don’t worry. We are saving Amy Barrett for Ginsburg’s seat.

    It will be 6-to-3 then. You’ll love it.

    And the next oldest is Breyer.

  76. Okechukwu says:
    @Bliss

    Is it too late for Trump to withdraw the nomination?

    Much too late. They will vote.

    Two of the four undecideds, Flake and Collins, say the FBI report is thorough, presumably meaning they’re satisfied with it. Flake also said that he found no corroborating evidence in the report. If both vote yes, Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

    Btw, Stevens was a conservative when he got to the Supreme Court, but he switched sides later. The thing is, no one knows how these people will vote once they get on the court. One theory holds that they become more liberal as they get older.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Twinkie
  77. Bliss says:
    @Okechukwu

    You better believe that women aren’t safe around a bunch of testosterone-fueled drunken frat boys.

    I predict drunken frat boys won’t be feeling too safe in certain campuses around the country now.

    Imagine angry coeds marching up and down frat row with a flaming torch in one hand and a pitchfork in the other, yelling obscenities. Lol.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  78. @Bliss

    I thought he would be quite excellent.

  79. Bliss says:
    @Okechukwu

    Two of the four undecideds, Flake and Collins, say the FBI report is thorough, presumably meaning they’re satisfied with it.

    They could still deem Kavanaugh to be disqualified for the job because he doesn’t have the requisite judicial temperament. Right?

    Stevens noted that both senators and commentators said Kavanaugh’s defense of his reputation crossed a line. “I think there’s merit to that criticism and I think the senators should really pay attention to that,”

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  80. @Twinkie

    Also Mask of Command by the same author. Max Hastings’ books on WW2, Korea and Vietnam are also great.

  81. Okechukwu says:
    @Bliss

    They could still deem Kavanaugh to be disqualified for the job because he doesn’t have the requisite judicial temperament. Right?

    They won’t risk it. It’s Kavanaugh or bust.

    If Kavanaugh fails, the GOP won’t be able to confirm another Justice before the midterms. There’s a chance the Dems will win enough seats to become the majority, meaning they’ll take over all the committees, including Judiciary. If that happens no other Trump appointee will receive consideration. They’ll say Trump is unfit, a lame duck, a Russian stooge, the subject of multitudinous civil and criminal investigations, etc. They’ll suspend all work on any new nominations until after the general election in 2020 when the new president is likely to be a Democrat.

    Btw, this is what the Republicans did to Obama’s pick Garland. Although they didn’t accuse Obama of being unfit or of any nefarious practices. They just accused him of being a lame duck. With this precedent, no president who wins a second term can get a Supreme Court justice on the bench if the opposing party controls congress.

    I didn’t really care about Kavanaugh getting on the court until recently. Now all these groups have royally pissed him off and he’ll have a permanent stain the rest of his tenure. The same thing happened with Clarence Thomas. As a consequence, he tends to vote his vendetta rather than reasoned judicial principles. He reflexively votes against anything the liberal groups (his enemies) are in favor of.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Bliss
  82. Twinkie says:
    @Okechukwu

    One theory holds that they become more liberal as they get older.

    That explains Scalia.

  83. SafeNow says:
    @iffen

    And, regarding which countries’ governments and cultures are worrying: While the Senate fiasco was in progress, Mr. Putin was visiting the Russian national chess team’s training camp at Sochi.

  84. LondonBob says:
    @Okechukwu

    Republicans could lose the House, but they should gain seats in the Senate.

  85. @Dmitry

    You don’t have to. You don’t have to whine about it either.

  86. anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    He sounded even more hysterical than usual.
    Graham also appeared to me to suggest that he wasn’t convinced of Kagan’s and Sotomayor’s credibility when he voted for them.
    Maybe someone needs to ask him about the meaning of that comment.

  87. @Felix Keverich

    Because they provided evidence in one case and not in the other.

    In the Skripal incident, the Russians were photographed at the scene, and their explanations were laughable (particularly their fear of 2cm of snow).

    In the Kavanaugh farce, every falsifiable statement of the accusers has been disproved. Eg she has a fear of flying, but is found to have more frequent flyer points than the pope.

  88. Because they provided evidence in one case and not in the other.

    Really? In one case, the “”evidence”” is the fact that two guys happen to be Russian. In the other case, the “”evidence”” is that the accused is a fucking white male. Totes different and not at all the same. (sarcasm)

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  89. Bliss says:
    @Okechukwu

    They won’t risk it. It’s Kavanaugh or bust.

    If Kavanaugh fails, the GOP won’t be able to confirm another Justice before the midterms. There’s a chance the Dems will win enough seats to become the majority, meaning they’ll take over all the committees, including Judiciary.

    Makes a lot of sense from the unprincipled political perspective. They just don’t care that Kavanaugh is temperamentally unfit to be a judge.

    Btw, Kavanaugh also lied under oath according to this Unz Review blogger:

    http://www.unz.com/article/bret-kavanaugh-is-a-liar-a-perjurer-and-belongs-in-jail-instead-of-on-the-supreme-court/#comment-2554449

    And this article, by someone who went to the same Law School as Kavanaugh (Yale), proves that Kavanaugh lied numerous times during his hearing:

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

    Shall we do one more lie? I know it’s getting late, and there is more that needs to be covered. But let’s talk about the Devil’s Triangle. This is common slang for a threesome between one woman and two men. Kavanaugh’s yearbook page contains the phrase, which presumably seemed amusing to sneak into print. When he was questioned about it, however, Kavanaugh replied:

    WHITEHOUSE: Devil’s triangle?

    KAVANAUGH: Drinking game.

    WHITEHOUSE: How’s it played?

    KAVANAUGH: Three glasses in a triangle.

    WHITEHOUSE: And?

    KAVANAUGH: You ever played quarters?

    WHITEHOUSE: No (ph).

    KAVANAUGH: OK. It’s a quarters game.

    Senator Whitehouse (of course) then moved on. But Kavanaugh’s testimony is more significant than someone who hadn’t heard the phrase before might think. That’s because nobody seems to have heard of such a drinking game. It doesn’t exist. Kavanaugh made up a fictitious game in order to sustain his phony image as a high schooler who knew nothing about sex and therefore could never have attempted to rape a woman (or, as Ford alleges, coerce her into a threesome, sometimes called a “Devil’s triangle.”) Kavanaugh’s falsehood here was blatant, and a supporter rushed to edit the Wikipedia page for the term to fabricate the existence of such a game and pretend it had existed all along.

    Let me turn to my colleague Pete Davis, who went to high school in the D.C. area and knows what the term means:

    It’s one of the most blatant lies I’ve ever seen. It’s special among the lies because it’s not a simple denial. It’s a completely fake game that he invented whole cloth. Every guy who went to my D.C.-area high school knows what “devil’s triangle” means. I’m sure Brett Kavanaugh knows what it means, too. There is no reference to this “drinking game” on the entire internet or in the entire history of books written in English. There are, however, tons of references to the other act, an act that a high school jock would be into joking about. And it’s relevant to the crime because it’s literally what Ford is accusing Kavanaugh and Judge of attempting to do.

    So we know he was lying when he pretended he didn’t know it was a threesome. Does this affect how much we should trust Kavanaugh when he says he didn’t try to force Christine Ford into one and was innocent in all sexual matters? I’ll let you decide that one.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  90. @Bliss

    And this article, by someone who went to the same Law School as Kavanaugh (Yale), proves that Kavanaugh lied numerous times during his hearing:

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

    I read that article. I found it very convincing at first. But many of its points have turned out to have been false, or matters of interpretation, etc. Here’s one example, regarding the Devil’s Triangle:

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  91. @anonymous coward

    two guys happen to be Russian

    Two intelligence operatives who just happen to be from the Russian services. Just on the exact date Skripal was poisoned. It must be a coincidence.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  92. @jimmyriddle

    In the Skripal incident, the Russians were photographed at the scene

    The Russians were photographed checking out jewerly store…Kavanaugh accusers provided much stronger evidence. Seriosuly.

    You have the same issue reiner tor has: willing to believe the worst things about Russians, but willing to exonerate a priviledged WASPy male.

  93. @reiner Tor

    Two intelligence operatives who just happen to be from the Russian services.

    There is 0 (zero) evidence these two are ‘intelligence operatives’. Their only crime is being male and Russian.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  94. neutral says:
    @jimmyriddle

    When you say evidence, one actually needs evidence of them committing the crime. This really is in the same class as Kavanaugh as people have already made up their minds of the guilt, they consider innuendo and repeating the same talking points over and over as solid evidence.

    • Replies: @AP
  95. @Dmitry

    Those of us who are pro-Trump make jokes about this as well. Trump is the jock who stuffs liberal dweebs into lockers and laughs about it.

    I was part of the clique which disdained or ignored the caste system, and as such most of my friends did not go to Prom. I however sensed it was important and did so. It is a good experience as it forces boys to ask girls out. My first pick rejected me, for the perhaps understandable reason that I couldn’t remember her name. #2 said yes. She bailed on me after the event, but did well during the event. I ended up at a good after party hosted by someone of Danish descent and hooked up with an extremely drunk girl who was named after an actress in Dr. Zhivago because her father thought the actress was hot.

    The caste system in American schooling might be connected to the fact that American teens can drive, and also that so many other activities (e.g. sports) are integrated with schooling in America.

  96. @Mr. XYZ

    I got hammered when I was a teenager. Continued getting hammered as an adult.

    Somehow, I never murdered anyone.

    In the era of #MeToo I no longer know what rape is.

    I plan on following the Mike Pence plan from now on.

  97. @Dmitry

    This whore (confirmed) should be stripped of her citizenship.

  98. AP says:
    @neutral

    Not really. In one case the Russians, intelligence agents, are proven to be in the obscure English city at the time of the crime. In the other case, no evidence places Kavanaugh at a party with Blasey.

    If the only evidence against the Russians was a witness who claimed to see them there with no corroborating evidence, it would be the same. But it isn’t, there is footage of the Russians.

    • Replies: @neutral
  99. @Yevardian

    I am a conservative and happen to agree with Talha on many of these topics myself.

    Having actually lived the libertine (or more accurately, degenerate) lifestyle I’m well acquainted with its downsides.

    I mean let me tell you about last night…I still don’t know where my car is but “Megan” seems nice.

  100. @Felix Keverich

    Lol.I suggest you read my comment history. I tend to be very sceptical of Anglo narratives on things like MH17. Eg:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/mh17-the-blaming-putin-game-goes-on/#comment-1007983

  101. dearieme says:
    @iffen

    “But there are a lot of people who drink until they can’t remember”

    I can’t remember doing that.

    • Replies: @iffen
  102. @Bliss

    Big surprise, the Jews oppose a conservative judge.

    I happen to agree that Kavanaugh lied about many things, which should be disqualifying in a normal country.

    But we’re not in a normal country. The only thing that matters anymore is people like me preventing people like you from seizing power.

    And on that metric Kavanaugh seems like he’s our guy.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  103. @Okechukwu

    Big surprise, the nigger with a chip on his shoulder is a total fool.

    Sure poor people don’t rape more than rich people. And women definitely don’t want to meet frat boys lol.

    Are you selling a bridge in New York?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  104. @Bliss

    Concern trolling. You’re not on our side.

    The vetted female judge who was talked up is a crazy lunatic who adopts niggers to virtue signal. Obviously a very bad choice.

  105. @Bliss

    Coeds want to meet fratboys.

    The women who protest them are usually ugly.

    I suspect that you are not attractive.

  106. neutral says:
    @AP

    Again, that is not evidence, in no civilized court of law with a hint of legalistic principles can you charge somebody with murder because they were in the same city.

    • Replies: @AP
  107. AP says:
    @neutral

    Again, that is not evidence

    Of course it is. Two intelligence agents, arrived in an obscure city prior to a crime against a defector from their country, and left soon after the crime occurred.

    in no civilized court of law with a hint of legalistic principles can you charge somebody with murder because they were in the same city

    It’s enough to be charged and to generate all sorts of warrants for further investigation, but by itself probably not enough to convict. They haven’t been convicted, have they?

    At any rate, its much more than what the Democrats have against Kavanaugh which was the point of my post. The situations are not comparable.

  108. @Thorfinnsson

    An appropriate coda for democracy.

  109. @Dmitry

    Not at all likely. The law profession in the US is overwhelmingly leftist and to be a conservative in law circles is to be pariah, dissident, outsider. People with authoritarian personalities just go leftist in that context. Conservative judges in the US tend to be genuinely religious because religious conviction seems to be the only thing that makes a person capable of resisting the social pressure to go leftist without interfering with a person’s social skills.

    As a non-religious right-winger I dislike being forced into the same team with people like Kavanaugh (I don’t want abortion to be the main issue) but we just got to admit the reality that all attempts at creating a secular right have been complete failures. Secular right-wingers tend to be semi-autistic personalities (like me) who have such low desire for social acceptance that we have no chance of succeeding at professions like law or politics that require smooching, connections etc. If a more socially agreeable person starts out as a secular right-winger in law, they just end up surrendering to the social pressure and becoming leftist.

    Actually US conservative judges tend to be overwhelmingly Catholic like this Irish guy even though the Republicans are supposedly the party of Anglo-Protestant elites. That’s because the Catholic church is pretty much the lone remaining major institution that remains committed enough to one conservative belief (on abortion) to help its members survive leftist pressure and to help its members form connections and organize in defense of that principle.

    Right-wing judges no longer exist at all in European countries and our highest judges are not just leftists, they’re all radicals who would fit in perfectly in the Bolshevik party of 1918. But in the US where judges are directly appointed by elected politicians there needs to be a balance of Democrat and Republican appointed judges which creates a career opportunity for right-wing legal professionals. For two people with equal resumes, it’s much easier to get the post as a right-wing judge.

    You would think that this attracts opportunist personalities but that just doesn’t seem to be so, it seems like the opportunist personalities don’t want to endure years of social pressure for a reward in late middle age. Catholicism is the one remaining consistent source of conservative judges.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @AP
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @Dmitry
  110. @Felix Keverich

    You have the same issue reiner tor has: willing to believe the worst things about Russians, but willing to exonerate a priviledged WASPy male.

    You don’t know what you’re talking about. Kavanaugh is not a WASP, he is a Catholic of Irish roots so he comes from the biggest historical enemy of WASP elites. Calling him “WASPy” is about the ignorance equivalent of some Englishman choosing a Latvian Bolshevik from the NKVD as proof that ethnic Russians were privileged in the USSR because he to an Englishman a Latvian just looks and sounds like a Russian.

    In case you didn’t realize it, the AS stands for Anglo-Saxon and P stands for Protestant. The term WASP came into use in the era when the big issue was Catholic, mainly Irish, immigration to the United States and opposition to Irish Catholic influence defined what a WASP was. The traditionalist WASPs lost that fight, Catholics flooded the US and made their way to leftist elites, and the election of the Irish Catholic John F Kennedy was the end of WASP dominated America. American elites still have a lot of WASPs but unlike the WASPs of yesterday they have to work with Jews and Catholics now.

    Donald Trump is also not a WASP and that’s a part of why WASPs like the Bush family hate Trump so much. The WASPs lost the Democrats first as they became the party of blacks, Catholics, Jews and other non-WASPs but the public face of the Republican party was still pretty WASP (with the Jewish neocons accepting a background position in the party). Trump is the Republican equivalent of John F Kennedy, the end of WASP control of his party.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  111. @Thorfinnsson

    I arrived in the US towards the very tail end of what I imagine was its “American Pie” era. (I don’t think I intersected with “Animal House” at all, which is basically 1960s East Coast campus culture).

    You had these parties with the keggers and mild debauchery going on, but they declined visibly even during the time I was there. And even then they were more prevalent at the sports clubs than amongst the student population at large (I was in the skiing and snowboarding association).

    The “generation” before us was wilder, while “My” generation (of Americans, that is) was tamer; at most, some of the girls would bathe topless in the jacuzzi. The generation ahead of us was completely straightlaced and boring. All the drugs except weed were disappearing, and they even drank far less.

  112. @Jaakko Raipala

    Kavanaugh is not a WASP, he is a Catholic of Irish roots

    As far as I’m concerned that makes him even worse: white Catholics are notorious liars and hypocrites, totally untrustworthy. Dude is still priviledged though. He went to an Ivy league school. My basic point stands.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  113. @Felix Keverich

    white Catholics are notorious liars and hypocrites

    How do you know that?
    There aren’t that many Catholics in Russia…is your negative view of them common?

    • Replies: @DFH
  114. AaronB says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The 1960s was the period of the Great Liberation, and its influence dwindled as the decades passed, vanishing completely by the late 2000s.

    Parties in the early 90s were unbelievably wild, as I remember from my siblings. By the early 2000s, younger artistic types in NYC that I knew would rarely stay out late or get very drunk, even if they had nothing to do the next day.

    Today, the Great Seriousness is upon us (sadly evident even on this site), and a period of dull insipidity has arrived, where few people are “awakened”, and everyone actually thinks life is serious (!).

    Pathetic as it may be, we are on track to a new period of liberation, as the dullness of today’s striving technological culture and its empty illusions will dissolve in the face of another great awakening.

  115. Okechukwu says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Big surprise, the nigger with a chip on his shoulder is a total fool.

    Only miserable, unsuccessful people like yourself have chips on their shoulders. I have no reason to have a chip on my shoulder. I am the American dream.

    It’s indicative of the cowardly nature of your ilk that no white person has ever called me a nigger in real life. Not one time in all my life. And I have been to every part of America. I mean, I know you’re out there. But in real life it’s all “yes, sir”, “no, sir”, “how are you today, sir?” and “whatever you say, sir.” Online, however, you’re brave.

    Sure poor people don’t rape more than rich people

    Well, the impoverished Catholic Dioceses of Uganda aren’t quite as prolific in raping little boys as their sister Dioceses in the affluent West. In fact it appears that the Catholic church doesn’t rape little boys at all anywhere in Africa.

    Leave it to a hairy white nationalist baboon to think there is a nexus between wealth (or lack of wealth) and rape. I bet you think that rape is about sex too. Well, it’s not. Anybody can have sex. Rape is about power and domination.

    And women definitely don’t want to meet frat boys lol.

    I didn’t say they didn’t, you old goat. I recall recounting my experiences at the kind of high school and college parties Kavanaugh attended during his time. I recall saying that some girls look forward to partying — getting drunk, taking drugs, having sex.

  116. @Okechukwu

    I bet you think that rape is about sex too. Well, it’s not. Anybody can have sex. Rape is about power and domination.

    Do you self-identify as a feminist?

  117. @Okechukwu

    It’s indicative of the cowardly nature of your ilk that no white person has ever called me a nigger in real life.

    Several years back, in San Francisco, a black woman tried to solicit money from me, and began haranguing me about my racism when I walked past her. I told the fat nigger bitch to fuck off in precisely that language. She lapsed into a sort of slack-jawed shock for several seconds, allowing me to walk away unmolested. Clearly she had never been spoken to from a position of white privilege before. But my logic was, if I had to “serve the time” (to be harassed as a racist for not wanting to support her drug habits and/or teeming brood), why couldn’t I “commit the crime”?

    Leave it to a hairy white nationalist baboon to think there is a nexus between wealth (or lack of wealth) and rape. I bet you think that rape is about sex too. Well, it’s not. Anybody can have sex. Rape is about power and domination.

    Even quite poor, less refined, recently war-torn white countries such as Serbia don’t rape like niggers.

    Please don’t project your race’s gross deficiencies on other peoples.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  118. Okechukwu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You had these parties with the keggers and mild debauchery going on, but they declined visibly even during the time I was there.

    LOL. You don’t know what you’re talking about as per your norm. Each succeeding generation is more debauched than the last. I’m not as far removed from high school and college as some others. Not only do things get progressively raunchier, the age at which the debauchery happens gets younger and younger. Nowadays, 13 year olds are doing the things Kavanaugh did in high school and college.

    The “generation” before us was wilder, while “My” generation (of Americans, that is) was tamer; at most, some of the girls would bathe topless in the jacuzzi. The generation ahead of us was completely straightlaced and boring. All the drugs except weed were disappearing, and they even drank far less.

    They just didn’t want to include some moronic Russian immigrant in their activities. There was no tame or straitlaced generation before or after your time.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  119. @German_reader

    Am seriously wondering at this point whether this whole thing is a big con. This woman said she saw a “therapist” in 2012. Not only did she not ID him/her but, and this is significant, she wasn’t even asked to under oath. Furthermore, the “notes” to which she referred have never materialized because her lawyers refused to turn them over. So—ARE there any notes? Did she REALLY tell this “therapist” that she was assaulted? Inquiring minds want to know.

  120. @Okechukwu

    Hmm… who to believe:

    1. The nigger who claims to have hired security in Moscow, married a German [hairy ape], and employed dozens of white people.

    2. The near consensus opinion of Americans here, as well as of sociological research (Gen X as lackadaisical partiers, millennials as secular puritans).

  121. Frankly I don’t understand the “nigger” comments directed at Okechukwu. You may disagree with what he says, but there is no need to use such language. If you think you are going to “win” your struggle, such comments will have the opposite effect. People like me, who are not altogether opposed to your points of view, are completely turned off. AaronB would say that this is of no account because people of my generation are simply waiting to die off, but I can’t believe that such a minimal degree of “good manners” has totally disappeared from the succeeding generations.

  122. @for-the-record

    Well, if there were two sides, and one side used crude language while the other side wanted your eternal humiliation and destruction, I think that you would probably be more fond of the side that used crude language.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @iffen
  123. Okechukwu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Several years back, in San Francisco, a black woman tried to solicit money from me, and began haranguing me about my racism when I walked past her. I told the fat nigger bitch to fuck off in precisely that language. She lapsed into a sort of slack-jawed shock for several seconds, allowing me to walk away unmolested.

    Shut-up, you imbecile. Russian women are trafficked all over the world like so much meat. They’re more than willing to spread their thighs in order to escape that shithole.

    Please don’t project your race’s gross deficiencies on other peoples.

    Yet Alaska, where there are hardly any black people, is the rape capital of the United States.

    Alaska should declare a sexual assault state of disaster

    By now, most Alaskans are woefully aware of the alarming reality. Alaska’s sexual crime rates are three times higher than the national average, and child sexual assault rates are six times the national average.

    https://www.adn.com/opinions/2017/08/07/alaska-should-declare-a-sexual-assault-state-of-disaster/

    North Dakota, which is 1% black, isn’t far behind Alaska in the rapefest.

    Oops. Dumb Russian troll foiled again.

    • Replies: @DFH
  124. @for-the-record

    Agreed, derogatory ethnic terms aimed at other commenters aren’t good for the standards of the board.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  125. Okechukwu says:

    Back on topic.

    My poor wife, who is a Kavanaugh hater, is on pins and needles. She just informed me that it’s all up to Susan Collins now. She will hold a press conference in 1 hour to announce her decision.

    • Replies: @AP
  126. AaronB says:
    @for-the-record

    Not at all, for the record. I actually agree with you 100%. It’s trashy, low class, and vulgar.

    It’s also partly why this alt-right movement is going to be a flash in the pan and not amount to anything.

    They hate and fear women, they hate and fear all other races, they have no vision, they see through nothing and take everything seriously.

    Its more about blowing off steam for angry unhappy people who the system has left behind. Everyone here is a loser of some kind – that’s why they’re constantly calling other losers.

    I wouldn’t worry about it too much, and just enjoy the show. Blowing off steam has its place too.

    • Agree: Bliss
  127. @German_reader

    They’re good for people who are cool and fun. And Okoospearchucker or whatever the hell his silly name is can clearly take the heat and dish it right back.

    But they’re bad for boring and lame people who somehow don’t understand what the purpose of the internet is.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @German_reader
  128. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Breaking social norms for shock value is to be as controlled by conventional morality as the one who rigidly adheres to convention.

    The rebellious kid who makes a point of shocking his elders isn’t “free”.

  129. @Thorfinnsson

    boring and lame people who somehow don’t understand what the purpose of the internet is.

    That’s a juvenile bullying tactic (which you seem to be rather fond of)…boring and lame, I don’t care if I belong to the cool crowd or whatever.
    Anyway, I’m hardly an “antiracist”, but imo “for the record” does have a point. Unfortunately even AaronB for once probably isn’t completely off the mark, such comments (and I’ll admit to having made similar ones in the past) are not least a sign of frustration about one’s own political impotence.

    • Replies: @DFH
  130. I’m not a teenager and haven’t been for a long time. Same applies to Karlin.

    No is trying to shock anyone here.

    It’s simply a matter of calling a spade a spade.

    This can and is done in meatspace as well, but for obvious reasons is less frequent and takes longer to occur.

    But this is not really a discussion that’s going to go anywhere. I’ve been having the same conversation with dweebs for decades now. Dweebs will continue in their lame dweebery regardless of how many times things are explained to them.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  131. DFH says:
    @Okechukwu

    Yes but it is 15% Native and they, like in Greenland, are notorious for raping girls in their families. Oops, moronic black foiled again

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Bliss
  132. Jayce says:
    @for-the-record

    Frankly I don’t understand the “nigger” comments directed at Okechukwu.

    I agree with you! There’s a whole rich lexicon that’s being neglected here and it’s sad. What about spearchucker? Or jungle bunny? It seems like ages since I’ve heard someone say pickaninny. I would expect this refined crowd of individuals with high verbal IQs to really explore the linguistic possibilities.

  133. @for-the-record

    I think you do have a point, though Thorfinnsson also has a point that it’s not really a conversation going anywhere.

    How can you hold a dialogue with a person who (let alone his implausible claims which might or might not be true) claims that Karlin’s personal past is just an elaborate hoax, or who writes sentences which are usually said or written by the creepiest “feminist allies.” (“Feminist allies” often turn out to be either serial rapists themselves, or guys who cannot get laid and think that their chances are enhanced by toeing the feminist line. I doubt the latter is the case with Okechukwu, if there’s any truth to his claims to being black and high income. And actually I don’t think there’s much reason to doubt either of those claims – he’s probably black and high income.)

    But of course the solution is to either ignore, or refute his points, or Karlin could simply punish him with the “more” tag like he does with Gerard2.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  134. Okechukwu says:
    @DFH

    Yes but it is 15% Native and they, like in Greenland, are notorious for raping girls in their families. Oops, moronic black foiled again

    Nice try. Arizona, California and Oklahoma have three times the Native population of Alaska respectively. But there doesn’t seem to be quite the same orgy of rapes going on in those states.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  135. @Thorfinnsson

    Reading back and forth insults is boring and not conducive of a quality conversation. Should be cut to a minimum.

  136. @AaronB

    Congratulations on your final evolution into shitlib.

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @utu
  137. @anonymous coward

    Well, they traveled on fake passports. We know this, because no former schoolmates or distant relatives or former neighbors etc. have been found, which is highly unusual for such a high profile case.

    The only way someone can travel from Russia with a fake Russian passport is if the Russian authorities are okay with with it. Which is to say, if they are intelligence operatives.

    Was it you who recently proposed they were petty criminals? It now seems impossible. They also cannot have been simple homosexuals, for the same reason.

    Russia put some effort into propaganda, but it was a highly incompetent effort. Since at that point it must’ve been organized from the highest places (or else the highest places are absolutely totally incompetent not caring for this important propaganda issue), this means that there are nearly impossible levels of incompetence at the highest levels, including in the closest entourage of Putin.

    And then, what is so unbelievable about such incompetence in the GRU itself?

  138. @Felix Keverich

    You have the same issue reiner tor has: willing to believe the worst things about Russians, but willing to exonerate a priviledged WASPy male.

    Well, what is your explanation to the Skripal case? Do you believe these guys were Russian intelligence operatives?

  139. Not Raul says:
    @reiner Tor

    Do we know that the yearbook image is legit, rather than Photoshopped, etc.?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  140. Not Raul says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “American Pie” was 1980s nostalgia. The upper middle class high school experience was much tamer by the mid-1990s.

  141. @reiner Tor

    “Feminist allies” often turn out to be either serial rapists themselves, or guys who cannot get laid and think that their chances are enhanced by toeing the feminist line. I doubt the latter is the case with Okechukwu

    I had the same thought when I read his “rape isn’t about sex” line.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Okechukwu
  142. @Okechukwu

    Nice try. Arizona, California and Oklahoma have three times the Native population of Alaska respectively. But there doesn’t seem to be quite the same orgy of rapes going on in those states.

    Alaska has by far the highest % of Native Americans as a share of the population (15%). In California Native Americans are 1% of the population. Idiot.

    I can’t believe I am actually going to waste time with this BS, but, okay:

    Rape stats: 12,571 whites, 5,412 niggers, 233 Native Americans in 2016.

    Populations: 233,657,078 whites, 40,241,818 niggers, 2,597,817 Native Americans in 2016.

    Niggers have 2.5x the rape rates of whites, and 50% more rapes than Native Americans.

    Congratulations, I suppose your “overperformance” in rape is somewhat less lopsided than your dominance in the murder and robbery sweepstakes.

    But I’m sure you are now going to whine it’s on account of white privilege and structural racism or whatever.

    Russian women are trafficked all over the world like so much meat. They’re more than willing to spread their thighs in order to escape that shithole.

    The coal-burning slut you claim to have bedded in Moscow is not representative of Russian women.

    In any case, while this was true in the 1990s, it is certainly not true today.

    “Russian” woman trafficked these days are almost all Ukrainians and Moldovans. Incidentally, this is yet another reason for Russia to put the Ukraine out of its misery.

  143. @German_reader

    I think it’s easy for horrible serial rapists to admit to all men being horrible rapists: they’d actually be happy if that turned out to be true, at least then they wouldn’t be worse than others.

  144. I am not even particularly ill disposed against Negroes, e.g. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/afrotriumphalism/

    It’s just that their Okuspearchuckers need to be rounded up and sent to nuclear powered concentration camps.

    • Agree: utu
  145. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Not an evolution. It was all there all the time. Just another color of the full spectrum he has in his wardrobe. And what motivates him?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @German_reader
  146. AaronB says:
    @utu

    I am a mystery wrapped in a mystery utu…

  147. @utu

    One could indeed get the impression that he’s a subversive who wants to demoralize us.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  148. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    But would one be correct?

    That is is the question.

    And why assume I even know my motivation, or even have a motivation?

    Riddles wrapped in riddles….

  149. utu says:

    He is genuine. Good case study. One little Jew who is lost in life.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  150. It looks like Kavanaugh will be approved . . . and Cristiano Ronaldo will pay the price.

  151. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Didn’t Jesus say that to find your life, you must lose it, utu?

    I am, in fact, very much trying to “get lost”, and end up “nowhere”.

    You noticed. I am impressed.

  152. Okechukwu says:
    @German_reader

    I had the same thought when I read his “rape isn’t about sex” line.

    LOL. I’m no feminist. It’s a confusing situation. I remember dating a hardcore feminist, the kind that insisted on splitting the check at restaurants. Once I remember thinking, if someone walks into this restaurant and starts shooting up the place this feminist girl is going to expect me to shield her with my body. If I didn’t I’d be cowardly and unmanly. Oftentimes, the more outwardly feminist they are the more submissive they are sexually. This, again, is very confusing.

    Rape is not about sex because men who have ready access to sex also engage in rape. I know, I know … maybe it’s part of the hard-wiring of men to want more and different sex. I’ve had absolutely gorgeous women sleeping nude next to me yet I’d be on my phone looking at pics of nude women. I even do that with my wife, who is stunning. I really can’t explain that.

  153. Bliss says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What a low class kebab you are. Get a room with Thugfinnson…..

  154. @Okechukwu

    I’ve had absolutely gorgeous women sleeping nude next to me yet I’d be on my phone looking at pics of nude women. I even do that with my wife, who is stunning.

    Let’s hope she doesn’t read here :-) She might be offended.

  155. @Okechukwu

    For a successful rape you need an erection. Unless you want sex (i.e. you have an erection), I fail to see how you can rape a woman at all, no matter how hard you want to dominate or punish her or her menfolk.

  156. @reiner Tor

    And from an evolutionary perspective you can’t really ever have enough women, can you? Every act of intercourse increases your reproductive fitness.
    I recall there was some discussion about this in Azar Gat’s War in human civilization, where he also dealt with the issue of rape; iirc according to him capturing women to increase one’s own reproductive fitness was one of the main goals of war among hunter-gatherer tribes (and also played a non-trivial role in much more advanced societies).

  157. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    Yes but it is 15% Native and they, like in Greenland, are notorious for raping girls in their families.

    You “foiled” no one idiot. The aboriginals of Alaska and Greenland are mongoloids, not blacks. So how the hell does their high rate of rape support Kebab Karlin’s point?

    • Replies: @DFH
  158. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    Unless you want sex

    I have always assumed that men want sex continuously and are only waiting on the next erection and a cooperative woman. (or if you are a rapist, any woman)

  159. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Hmmm, I wonder how “fond” you would be of your current “side” when they start hurling slurs against your race. WWIII won’t be against Africa.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Daniel Chieh
  160. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dmitry

    Most American high school films are completely unrealistic, except in the sense that life often imitates art: just as the FBI noted that mobsters started talking like characters in The Godfather only after the movie came out, a lot of American teenagers will imitate high school movie tropes (and adults will retcon their own lives to fit movie cliches).

    There are exceptions though. I strongly recommend the excellent and very realistic 1999 cult film Election as an examination of the dynamics of both American youth and American politics (and the significant interaction between the two). Supposedly Election is Obama’s favorite film, which is interesting as the chief antagonist (or co-protagonist, depending on your perspective) is an obvious and fairly unflattering Hillary Clinton stand-in.

  161. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    hurling slurs against your race.

    Dan C. is not race obsessed.

  162. iffen says:

    Just for the record, kebabs are being flung all over and not a lofty speech supporter in sight.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  163. iffen says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    while the other side wanted your eternal humiliation and destruction

    Has Okechukwu written this? I don’t read his comments.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  164. Okechukwu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Alaska has by far the highest % of Native Americans as a share of the population (15%). In California Native Americans are 1% of the population. Idiot.

    We’re talking about the incidence of rape per capita, dummy. Please try to follow along.

    Rape stats: 12,571 whites, 5,412 niggers, 233 Native Americans in 2016.

    There are over 200,000 unreported sexual assaults every year, including those on college campuses, which you so ignorantly declared rape-free zones.

    Niggers have 2.5x the rape rates of whites, and 50% more rapes than Native Americans.

    Only a stupid Russian troll would rely on “statistics” in comparing and contrasting black and white rapes. Most white rapes go unreported and unpunished. Black men, however, are often railroaded on false rape charges. Lazy public defenders often tell them to plead out.

    The coal-burning slut you claim to have bedded in Moscow is not representative of Russian women.

    Dude, even poor African students fuck their way through Russia. Everybody has their preferences. Some Russian women are into black guys. Some Russian women are into black guys exclusively. My ex had no particular preference. In other words, she wasn’t looking for a black guy.

    That “coal burning slut” is a highly educated woman and incredibly beautiful. She has a degree from Russia as well a degree from one of the top universities here. She is cultured and well-read. She not only introduced me to some Russian literature, she even introduced me to English-language works I hadn’t read. She currently has a position in Moscow making well over six figures, adjusted for dollars.

    In any case, while this was true in the 1990s, it is certainly not true today.

    It is true, only to a lesser degree. There is still a stream of Russian women emigrating or attempting to emigrate. Some get caught up in human trafficking networks and become sex slaves.

    “Russian” woman trafficked these days are almost all Ukrainians and Moldovans. Incidentally, this is yet another reason for Russia to put the Ukraine out of its misery

    Dude, there are ethnic Russian women, from Russia, being trafficked all over the Middle East and Europe.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    , @Twinkie
  165. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    Both blacks and native americans rape people (although in different patterns), far more than poor whites. No contradiction between the two

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Bliss
  166. Okechukwu says:
    @iffen

    Has Okechukwu written this? I don’t read his comments.

    Of course I never wrote that, nor would I. Daniel Chieh is a Chinese Uncle Tom who tries to curry favor with white supremacists by licking their asses.

    • Replies: @iffen
  167. iffen says:
    @Okechukwu

    I was undecided on Thor and the N word issue, but you make it hard not to take sides.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Twinkie
  168. Okechukwu says:
    @reiner Tor

    For a successful rape you need an erection. Unless you want sex (i.e. you have an erection)

    Many rapists fail to get it up and end up beating the hell out of the woman or penetrating her with something else.

    Assailants’ sexual dysfunction during rape reported by their victims.

    Sexual dysfunction is known to occur in a proportion of rapists during the assault. The most common dysfunctions are erectile insufficiency and absent or retarded ejaculation. The study assessed the incidence and characteristics of assailants’ sexual dysfunction reported by 50 victims of rape. 20% of victims reported that their assailant experienced erectile insufficiency at some point during the assault, and a further 12% reported retarded ejaculation or failure to ejaculate by their attacker. In attacks where sexual dysfunction occurred, there was a higher incidence both of intra-rape violence and commissioning of degrading sexual activity and this behaviour was related to the onset of the dysfunction.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1795615

  169. Bliss says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Very interesting. Explains a lot.

  170. Okechukwu says:
    @iffen

    I was undecided on Thor and the N word issue, but you make it hard not to take sides.

    You think I haven’t seen the N word used on the Internet before? In real life, however, I’ve never experienced it from a white person.

  171. iffen says:

    I’ve never experienced it from a white person.

    Well, most of are just nice like that, it’s SWPL.

    Most of us oldtimers always made a distinction between N****** and Negroes. I like to think that we have more Negroes these days than N******s.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  172. iffen says:
    @dearieme

    Do you mean you can’t remember not remembering?

  173. Okechukwu says:
    @DFH

    Both blacks and native americans rape people (although in different patterns), far more than poor whites. No contradiction between the two

    Is this some kind of joke? You may not know this, but white men have a reputation for being notorious rapists, perverts and sexual deviants. That certainly doesn’t apply to all white men, but that is the view of white men generally. The stereotype holds that white men will rape anything that moves.

    White men even take their show on the road:

    The white male gaze that drives child sex tourism

    https://international.la-croix.com/news/the-white-male-gaze-that-drives-child-sex-tourism/1626

    European paedophiles flock to Gambian ‘Smiling Coast’

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/04/childprotection.uk

    Western paedophiles target Kenya children for sex

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/western-paedophiles-target-kenya-children-for-sex-1792396.html

    It’s so bad that the Canadian consulate in Bali puts out advisories that ask people to keep a wary eye on ANY white man near local children:

    Vacationers: Watch Out for Pedophiles in Bali

    Keep your eyes open. If you see a white man with a bunch of local kids, take note. If you see a Canadian sexually exploiting children, call Crime Stoppers (1-800-222-8477) or contact the consulate.

    http://hopeforthesold.com/vacationers-watch-out-for-pedophiles-in-bali/

    • Replies: @Dissident
  174. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “Russian” woman trafficked these days are almost all Ukrainians and Moldovans.

    According to the guys in the Exile the ones from Ukraine were mostly from Donbas:

    http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7573&IBLOCK_ID=35

    The regional pattern in HIV rates supports that observation.

  175. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    Wrong, liar.

    The most heinous, and by far the most under-reported, type of rape is the rape of helpless, innocent children. Guess which race is by far the most prone to this unpardonable crime? The same race that is most prone to get off on child porn.

    Google “convicted child porn” any day and almost all the mugshots are of white caucasians. Read the text and you will find the vile criminals were “upstanding” members of their communities: priests, preachers, parents, policemen, teachers, coaches, businessmen etc. Check out today’s google image results for example:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=convicted+child+porn&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=niv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif9Ob2qPDdAhVfFjQIHWKMDZQQ_AUIECgC&biw=1024&bih=627

  176. AP says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    That’s because the Catholic church is pretty much the lone remaining major institution that remains committed enough to one conservative belief (on abortion) to help its members survive leftist pressure and to help its members form connections and organize in defense of that principle.

    To add to your accurate comment, the Catholic Church is also the only organization that fosters intellectual rigor among conservatives. To be sure, there are many leftist Catholic intellectuals also, but leftism does not have a monopoly among Catholic intellectuals as it does among modern WASPS.

    Baptists/evangelicals are also conservatives but those people are not devoted enough to purely intellectual pursuits to get onto the Supreme Court. Mormons are smarter than Baptists, but they seem to be focused on commerce.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  177. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    Mind boggling evil:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-01/australian-man-to-face-child-sex-abuse-charges-in-philippines/6511954

    Peter Scully allegedly ran an international paedophile ring from Mindanao in the Southern Philippines that raped, tortured and murdered children. One victim was only 18 months old.

    Officers of the Philippines Bureau of Investigation showed 7.30 a dark old house with high walls in another part of Cagayan de Oro. It was here Scully made the videos called The Destruction of Daisy. He was selling the videos to online customers around the world for up to $10,000 a view.

    The full details of what happened at this house are too shocking to reveal. But Angelito Magno, one of the lead investigators, gave 7.30 an insight. “In one of these videos was an 18-month-old baby girl who was hanged upside down,” he said. “She was crying all the time, she was being tortured.”

    Demand was so great for these sickening videos that six other foreigners, mainly from Europe, started to fund Scully. But one made-to-order video proved to be Scully’s undoing. In it, two girls, one aged 12 and the other 13, were forced to dig their own graves while being raped. Mr Magno said the girls eventually led them to Scully. “The two girls were able to escape and seek police assistance while they were still wearing chains, chains to their necks,” he said.

  178. AP says:
    @Okechukwu

    My wife didn’t care, because she generally does not care about politics, but became a Kavanaugh supporter strictly in response to the witch hunt against him; his victory will be a victory over mob rule and witch hunts.

  179. @AP

    Mormons have also heavily infiltrated the Dweeb State. Egg McMuffin (the cuckservative “patriot” who tried to throw the election to Crooked) is a prime example.

    • Replies: @AP
  180. AP says:
    @Bliss

    The most heinous, and by far the most under-reported, type of rape is the rape of helpless, innocent children. Guess which race is by far the most prone to this unpardonable crime?

    Whites appear to be about as likely to commit this terrible crime as they are a percentage of the general population:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_in_the_United_Kingdom#Statistics

    Whites representing 85% of convicted child sex offenders and 86% of the general population in 2011.

    Now this contrasts with other crimes where white people are underrepresented. But they still aren’t over-represented in this crime.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  181. AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Mormons are very straight, earnest 50s style Americans who absolutely hate a vulgarian like Trump who sleeps with Playboy models and cheats on his wives. Mormons are smart but not focused on intellectual pursuits, so success in fields such as business or upper levels of law enforcement like the FBI come naturally to them. Flake, a Mormon, was probably triggered by Kavanaugh’s history of youthful partying.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Thorfinnsson
  182. iffen says:
    @AP

    Sewer pond scum Mitt Romney will be a Senator for the sole purpose of extracting revenge upon the American Nation for rejecting his Presidential bid.

    I know that God is on our side, but it took “forever” for brain cancer to take out John McCain. Brain cancer!

    Apparently he’s going to let Ginsberg to live forever.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Bliss
  183. Rosie says:

    Republican women incensed about Kavanaugh drama:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/kavanaugh-hearings-republican-women-voter-turnout.html

    Women not already ideological inclined to oppose Kavanaugh, by and large, have not rallied around Ford. I suspect this is chiefly the result of the fact that she didn’t report this at the time. I cannot take rape allegations seriously decades after the fact. If you really believe a man is a dangerous predator and a threat to women like yourself, you go and report it immediately.

  184. @AP

    You also had R-Money denouncing the Blond Don (though he did kiss the ring after Trump’s victory). Mormons are immigration enthusiasts and see themselves as a persecuted minority and thus will side with Mohammedans over Americans.

    Good example of how even civilized minorities can be dangerous.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  185. There’s a theory going around that Lindsey Graham was in an abusive homo-sexual relationship with John McCain. Now that McCain’s six feet under Graham feels comfortable being conservative and assertive.

  186. @AaronB

    Careful now, your rootless cosmopolitanism is showing.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  187. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    Why be careful? I have no roots – I exist “nowhere”.

    Foxes have they’re dens, but the son of man has nowhere to lay his head :)

    • Replies: @German_reader
  188. @AaronB

    Are you having some sort of psychotic episode, or have you taken drugs? You sound increasingly deranged.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Daniel Chieh
  189. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Not at all, for the record. I actually agree with you 100%. It’s trashy, low class, and vulgar.

    It’s also partly why this alt-right movement is going to be a flash in the pan and not amount to anything.

    The alt-right is very negative. Not enough emphasis on offering a positive vision. No political movement has ever succeeded without offering a positive vision for the future. Hating your enemies is fine, but you have to be able to articulate why your vision of the future is superior to that of your enemies.

    The vulgarity though is probably just a reflection of the vulgarity of American culture in general, or at least the vulgarity of the debased American culture of our era.

    There’s also a depressing tendency around these parts for people who should know better to respond to obvious liberal trolls.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Daniel Chieh
    , @Twinkie
  190. AaronB says:
    @dfordoom

    I think I agree with you completely. Good comment.

  191. @German_reader

    LSD. I’m not kidding.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  192. @AaronB

    You shouldn’t do that, might be bad for your health.
    Annoying as you are, it would be a bit too extreme if you had to be institutionalized.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Thorfinnsson
  193. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Why would you care?

    I did not think you cared about me, GR. Shocked.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  194. @AaronB

    You’re kind of annoying, but I certainly don’t wish you any serious harm. I don’t think anybody here does.
    Take care of yourself and don’t do anything stupid.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  195. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Thank you, I appreciate it. I also don’t wish you any harm – in fact I wish you well :)

  196. @dfordoom

    Its not only the alt-right, of course. Its also the left.

    Long story short, we basically live in a culture where nothing really can be created, at least nothing in comparison to the ease of criticism. So everyone just criticizes and attacks, substituting that instead of ever making anything. Its not quite as easy as “just ignore them” because ignoring is not an option when the mob can actually harm you.

    I think that its something that Karlin is well aware of, and its why his blog is quite different from those of others, and I don’t believe he even calls himself Alt-Right. He is trying to actually think things through, sharing that journey with us and provide at least the simple vision of understanding. It is, in a fashion, almost religious: the awe and humility of learning a little bit more of the universe. Or to quote Einstein:

    But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith.

    It is, of course, the easiest way to piss off almost everyone. But I don’t think that he can help it.

  197. @iffen

    Hah. I was thinking exactly same. Grew up in the South my entire life, but you know that.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  198. @German_reader

    I’d wager this isn’t AaronB’s first rodeo. He’ll be fine and no doubt have a good time. LSD is pretty safe, though sourcing is an issue.

    Unless some materialist commenter gives him bad juju and causes his trip to take a bad turn.

    • Replies: @iffen
  199. @Thorfinnsson

    Incidentally, the early 1980s were the peak years of teenage partying in America. This can be seen in films from the era such as Animal House, Back to School, Pretty in Pink, etc.

    Adult drinking+sex partying maxed in the 1970′s though availability of harder drugs increased in the 80′s. Teenage parties are a time-lagged version of the adult curve.

    L’Affaire Kavanaugh has many points in common with the 90′s comedy film PCU (e.g., hysterical Womynists, political correctness, evil Republican traitors, and party animals as the heroes). The Supreme Court nomination scene is based on Douglas Ginsburg but pretty funny in relation to Kavanaugh:

    http://hooktube.com/_zqvc_rnSeg?t=1721

  200. @Bliss

    Oh no! Harsh language, my only weakness!

  201. @Okechukwu

    Dude, even poor African students fuck their way through Russia. Everybody has their preferences. Some Russian women are into black guys. Some Russian women are into black guys exclusively.

    That’s exactly what you would see no matter how positively or negatively Russian (or Chinese, Japanese, 1980′s Swedish, etc) women view Africans, because the supply of Africans-in-Russia is so small that it could never meet demand. If even a tiny percentage of Russian girls are interested then African students are in business. Only when there are more immigrants does the arithmetic change.

  202. @iffen

    Throw in the obvious (we are the only ones to have ever used them) and you might need to stay up nights worrying.

    At least the party that used them isn’t in power.

  203. @Jaakko Raipala

    the Catholic church is pretty much the lone remaining major institution that remains committed enough to one conservative belief (on abortion)

    No, they’ve been on top of marriage, euthanasia, adoption, and a few others mostly touching on family life. But these don’t involve the loss of innocent life, so it’s hard to get those in the pews worked up enough to take them to the barricades.

    Also, remember that in the US (and in Canada), abortion has been taken out of the direct, i.e., legislative, realm by the courts. In the rest of the West, it is subject to democratic compromise. Thus, abortion regulation is stricter in almost every European country than in North America.

    This sort of frustration leads to very impassioned politics on both sides. And right now, the only arena that matters is that of the court.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  204. @iffen

    Just for the record, kebabs are being flung all over and not a lofty speech supporter in sight.

    Who spearheaded this innovation?

    Kebab Dylan: “The times, they are a flingin’”

  205. @jimmyriddle

    Eg she has a fear of flying, but is found to have more frequent flyer points than the pope.

    Was His Holiness able to transfer his TWA miles to American in 2001?

  206. Twinkie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    No, they’ve been on top of marriage, euthanasia, adoption, and a few others mostly touching on family life.

    Yes!

    But these don’t involve the loss of innocent life, so it’s hard to get those in the pews worked up enough to take them to the barricades.

    Defense of marriage, though, is a galvanizing issue.

  207. Twinkie says:
    @dfordoom

    Well said. Ran out of “Agee.”

    Breaking stuff is easy. Pretty much any half wit can do it. Building something positive and sustainable – that’s the hard trick.

  208. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    Sewer pond scum Mitt Romney will be a Senator for the sole purpose of extracting revenge upon the American Nation for rejecting his Presidential bid.

    I think he’s prepping for a third run. Or was it a fourth run? I lose count. Anyway, representing Utah instead of Mass. will allow him to become (or appear) more conservative, which he probably thinks improves his chance of winning the GOP nomination next time.

    • Replies: @iffen
  209. Twinkie says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Mormons are immigration enthusiasts and see themselves as a persecuted minority and thus will side with Mohammedans over Americans.

    Good example of how even civilized minorities can be dangerous.

    For all that, they probably vote the most reliably conservative of any large constituent group in the conservative coalition.

  210. Twinkie says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    But I’m sure you are now going to whine it’s on account of white privilege and structural racism or whatever.

    White privilege is very interesting in that it seems to privilege Asians over whites. The same dynamic is at play with the rape statistics. Asians commit fewer rapes (and other violent crimes) per capita than whites, as you well know.

    White people are so very strange. They “oppress” Asians into committing fewer crimes per capita, have higher educational attainment, higher lifespan, lower welfare usage rates, etc. than whites. For some strange reason, this oppression has a dramatically opposite result for blacks.

    • LOL: iffen
  211. Twinkie says:
    @Okechukwu

    Dude, there are ethnic Russian women, from Russia, being trafficked all over the Middle East and Europe.

    This seems to indicate the desirability (high value) of Russian women as sexual partners over, say, sub-Saharan African women more than anything else.

    If your argument is, thus, that African women are some of the least desirable women in the world while Russian women are valued far more, I don’t think you will find many opponents here.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  212. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    I was undecided on Thor and the N word issue, but you make it hard not to take sides.

    I don’t know why commenters such as “Bliss” and “Okechukwu” are here. They aren’t exactly convincing anybody with their low IQ arguments and lack of knowledge. Indeed, if anything, they seem to arouse greater animosity toward blacks and confirm the priors held by most here that blacks are, on average, of low intellectual capacity.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @iffen
  213. Not Raul says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Throwing the N word around like that isn’t funny, and people might get the wrong idea when you do. Please cool it.

  214. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Grew up in the South my entire life

    That explains a lot about you. And Twinkie.

    Btw, were you called chink or gook growing up there?

  215. Bliss says:
    @iffen

    I know that God is on our side

    Thanks for the laugh.

  216. Bliss says:
    @AP

    Whites appear to be about as likely to commit this terrible crime as they are a percentage of the general population:

    You are being dishonest. The data you link to includes teenagers upto 18. Child porn (and child abuse) involves children. And in this vilest of all crimes whites of european extraction are by far the worst offenders as the mugshots of busted perverts reveal. Even white priests who have willingly made vows of chastity have been busted.

    • Replies: @AP
  217. Bliss says:
    @Twinkie

    The question should be: what the hell are you(and Chieh) doing here?

    The alt-right is a white nationalist, euro-centric movement. You two are asian mongoloids. What makes you think you belong in this movement?

  218. @Bliss

    Is this site even alt-right? Is there a coherent political program? Is there a set of views excluding Asians from commenting here?

    We have a pretty diverse crew here. There’s at least one Russian Jew, at least one American Jew (I’m unsure where one of the Jewish commenters is from), even occasionally Israelis, etc. Here are you, an African American, and Okechukwu, an actual African (though I guess he also grew up in America), but we have a Muslim, various Europeans, Americans, etc.

    Why would the East Asians disturb us? There’s several of them, not just Twinkie and Daniel Chieh, anyway.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  219. iffen says:
    @Twinkie

    to arouse greater animosity toward blacks and confirm the priors

    Obviously we don’t know motivations or true identities here. Engaging in comment threads on the JQ at the Unz Review I have observed the same with regard to engendering animosity toward Jews. It is hard to tell if they are trolling or stupid.

  220. iffen says:

    I need to open up about a serious problem and I hope the kind regulars here can help me. Rosie agreed with a comment by Thor and I agree with it as well. I’m staying inside today and doubling the tin foil.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  221. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Unless some materialist commenter gives him bad juju and causes his trip to take a bad turn.

    Would most materialists lean toward an LSD trip rather than a trip to the Holy Land or a Hajj?

  222. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    What makes you think you belong in this movement?

    Whites need allies too.

    We plan to flip most Asians and a good number of Hispanics.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Bliss
  223. iffen says:
    @Twinkie

    representing Utah instead of Mass. will allow him to become (or appear) more conservative,

    Good point.

    Pure opportunistic politics.

  224. Twinkie says:
    @Bliss

    I’m not “alt-right.” I’m more “paleo-right” or traditionalist right. I’m also a civic nationalist. There is a fairly wide spectrum of rightists here and even occasional leftist HBD types. Most here seem to agree, though, that blacks are problematic to put kindly. Certainly many important statistics validate that assessment. Opinions seem to be mixed about East Asians. In any case, East Asians are present in far higher numbers in the HBD sphere than blacks are. Much like in science in general.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  225. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    Rosie agreed with a comment by Thor and I agree with it as well. I’m staying inside today and doubling the tin foil.

    If you agree with Rosie, even indirectly, something has gone horribly wrong. I suggest you check your head for a wound or perhaps even for signs 0f a concussion. Just to be safe, I recommend that you check your water or beer supply for contamination as well.

    • LOL: reiner Tor
  226. iffen says:

    I recommend that you check your water or beer supply

    Thanks, I just checked the fridge and that could well be the problem.

  227. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    Whites need allies too.

    We plan to flip most Asians and a good number of Hispanics.

    Asians in America used to vote more Republican than whites did. The present generation of Asians need to wake the f—- up and realize that they have more in common with whites than with blacks and Hispanics.

    Of course, “Asians” in America today are far more Indian than in the past, so we are really talking about different groups over time here.

    • Replies: @Anon
  228. @Bliss

    Blacks account for more pedophiles too: https://dailystormer.name/myth-whites-are-more-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/

    (Reprint of a Robert Lindsay blog post, not Daily Stormer itself, for those who care for such things).

    % of total child abusers:

    White 51%
    African American 25%
    Hispanic 15%
    American Indian/Alaska Natives 2%
    Asian/Pacific Islanders 1%

    Even with regards to AP’s link, there are two studies mentioned.

    While in the first link whites abuse children as much as their share of the population – I can’t open the source link to confirm, but this strikes me as rather unlikely, given the prevalence of Asian grooming gangs – the second link paints a different picture:

    In the overall population of England and Wales 86% of people were white in 2011 (at the last census), 8% of the population was of Asian ethnicity, and 3% was black. …

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

    So, British whites abuse at 40% of their share of the population; blacks abuse in correlation with their population; and Asians abuse at 4.5x their share of the population.

    Moreover, this tallies with Robert Lindsay’s American analysis, where blacks molest children at 2x the white rate. As he points out, the only reason that Blacks have a reputation for NOT molesting children is not that they don’t do it, but that they are not as ridiculously overrepresented in this particular sphere of criminality.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @iffen
    , @DFH
    , @Okechukwu
  229. @Anatoly Karlin

    Let me add that “Asians” in the UK mean Talha’s, and not Daniel Chieh’s, dumber and embarrassing brothers.

  230. iffen says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you suppose that it is possible that Bliss has not read one of the greatest novels of all time (according to some): The Color Purple?

  231. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s interesting topic for future articles – how younger generation is now more conservative in their personal life (has less drugs and sex partners on average) than the older generations.

    Also the same story in Russia, and probably in Europe.

    This is against the intuition, how older people are more libertine or dissolute than their children.

    Whereas the current situation, younger people are internationally more conservative living than older people were.

    It’s also related to Japanese cultural influence on the consciousness of the younger generation.

    There could be a longterm development towards people living more and more conservative lives, as hikikomori becomes the emblematic personality of the later 21st century.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @AaronB
  232. Dmitry says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    In Russia, for example, there is 95% or more conviction rate. More than 95% of trials, ending with a criminal conviction and then punishment.

    So there’s hardly any reason to have trial at all. They could save money, just declaring everyone automatically guilty.

    Moreover, judges are all day punishing people, and putting people in prison, several more times often per day, than ordinary person will brush their teeth.

    To be judge, is a job (like police man, etc), which will attract a lot of authoritarian personality people, whose main pleasure in life is controlling or punishing other people.

    As for America. Consider that America has one of the highest proportions of people in prisons in the world. So it’s not like average judge in America is behaviouring “liberally” – except, it seems superficially from the statistics, they must be “liberally” putting people in prison.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  233. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Yes this is on a level of “stupid television” – like a local equivalent of Rachel Maddow’s show, Glenn Beck’s show, or Bill O’Reilly’s show.

    When Bill O’Reilly is complaining all day about Russia, it is a (not subtle way) to make the American government look better.

    How is this relevant? Because it is handwaving, to distract people from focus on topics, which are relevant to their lives.

    His criticism of the West will incorporate true elements, just as Maddow or O’Reilly’s criticism of Russia. But it’s onesidedness and exaggeration, also results in a backlash from more intelligent viewers, becoming more (often incorrectly) pro-Western – just as more intelligent Americans will become more pro-Russia, in backlash to Maddow’s or O’Reilly’s show.

    -

    Of course, it’s easier to talk about some irrelevant problems in America, than focus on topics you would expect from a person in his position – like a copper mine in Chelyabinsk that will further poison residents, the falling standards in schools and declining mathematics education, the lack of investment in science, the need to diversify the economy (within 10 years) before it’s too late and oil demand peaks, etc.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  234. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    t’s easier to talk about

    Although I’m watching his last week’s show now – at least they did do a useful segment exposing financial pyramid schemes.

    I guess he is still a better journalist for now, than Bill O’Reilly or Rachel Maddow.

  235. inertial says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Thanks. That was an interesting data point about our WASP betters whose passing from the top dog position is so lamented around these parts.

  236. @Bliss

    You are very confused. This is a Kekist religious board.

  237. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Frequently didn’t remember things.

    So, for all you know, you could be a muff-diving brown sugar connoisseur.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  238. @iffen

    That sounds like the plot for a Hollywood movie: Horrible white racist learns he has partly black offspring from his sexual antics while drunk, eventually falls in love with the mother of his child (maybe Bliss could play that part), becomes reformed and is a good antiracist at the end of the movie. The Unz forum community disowns him.

  239. @Dmitry

    As for America. Consider that America has one of the highest proportions of people in prisons in the world.

    America has blacks. If you have no experience with average blacks you have no idea how impulsive and dumb people can be. As Europe is importing lower IQ, more impulsive, more aggressive races from the south, they’re also finding that their crime rates as massively shooting up. As European demographics change, we are going to see European politics also changing towards tough on crime as the consequences of already deeply unpopular liberal criminal policies will get much, much worse.

    So it’s not like average judge in America is behaviouring “liberally” – except, it seems superficially from the statistics, they must be “liberally” putting people in prison.

    I would much rather have American or even Russian judges than a murderer as a neighbor with the knowledge that he can stab me and not go back to prison but that I can’t fight back because self-defense in this country is basically an aggravating factor. That’s not a hypothetical – a notorious multiple murderer and violent criminal was living across the street from me for years. He didn’t kill anyone during that time he did a lot of very bad stuff like severely beating up a disabled man in a wheelchair and he never got any meaningful prison time.

    I dealt with this in the typical Finnish fashion – we memorize the faces of murderers, rapists, pedophiles and other notorious dangers that are allowed to walk free and avoid them with the knowledge that the state is on their side, not ours. Yeah, we have low incarceration rates and our leaders get praised around the world for it while they travel in armored cars and live behind private security that bypasses our meaningless state authorities.

    By the way, I have met a lot of Russian immigrants or visiting students at the university of Helsinki who came to Finland with ideas about amazing liberal social democracy and its supposed superiority to evil authoritarian Russia. These delusions never survive if they actually learn Finnish and any encounters with criminals or the legal system kill delusions even if they don’t.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Dmitry
  240. DFH says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    lol, haven’t been on Robert Lindsay’s site for ages

  241. Talha says:

    Very good takes by Ben Swann:

    Peace.

  242. AP says:
    @Bliss

    Any statistics to back this up?

  243. Okechukwu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Blacks account for more pedophiles too: https://dailystormer.name/myth-whites-are-more-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/

    LOL. This explains your estrangement from reality. It appears the Russian troll who is obsessed with America gets his “information” about America from the Daily Stormer. Is someone actually paying you for your output on Unz? Like all white supremacists, white nationalists and alt-righters, the ideology you are trying to promulgate is made far less agreeable by your association with it.

    Here are the facts:

    Pedophile profile: Young, white, wealthy

    Four-year FBI investigation shows that vast majority of online child porn arrests involve people in high places.

    Of the 413 people arrested as part of the agency’s “Innocent Images” investigation since 1995, “only a handful have not been upper-middle-class, educated white men,” said Special Agent Pete Gulotta who serves as the investigation’s chief spokesman. “They’re almost all white males between the ages of 25 and 45.”

    “We’ve had military officers with high clearances, pediatricians, lawyers, school principals, and tech executives,” Gulotta said of those arrested under Innocent Images.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/pedophile-profile-young-white-wealthy/

    In reality, if a child goes missing in my neighborhood and is later found raped and mutilated, the cops won’t even waste their time with me, as I don’t fit the profile. However, all my white male neighbors will be persons of interest.

    • Agree: Bliss
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Bliss
  244. iffen says:
    @Okechukwu

    However, all my white male neighbors will be persons of interest.

    Moved away from those other blacks to a “diverse” neighborhood, did you?

    • Replies: @Talha
  245. Talha says:
    @iffen

    If I was to examine my own internal biases based on just the news and criminal cases I’ve been exposed to over the years, it kind of breaks down this way…at least in the context of the US…

    I hear some guy went stab happy in a commuter train until getting gunned down by cops – I think: Muslim guy.

    I hear some guy beat some old guy to death for $50 on a commuter train and got caught when using it to score crack from an undercover cop – I think: Black guy.

    I hear some guy used to seduce fellow commuters to dine with him at his house and then drug them, strangle them, sodomize their corpse and then sautée their foot for a midnight snack and freeze the rest for later and got caught because the cop who pulled him over for running a red happened to catch a few blood stains near the rear hatch of his car – I think: White guy.

    That’s just me though…

    I’m sure Asian guys commit some crimes or have some niche monopolized, just don’t know what it is.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Bliss
  246. Okechukwu says:
    @Twinkie

    This seems to indicate the desirability (high value) of Russian women as sexual partners over, say, sub-Saharan African women more than anything else.

    You’re not exactly a bright shining example of Asian intelligence. This comports with my real world experiences, as I’ve found many Asians simply too dumb to function.

    Actually, my dimwitted friend, this is easily explained by the fact that African students in Russia are overwhelmingly male. And men tend to have sex wherever they are. These men are in a sea of white women, whereas African females are few and far between.

    The experience of Chinese men in Africa provides further confirmation.

    Interracial Marriages Between Africans and Chinese on the Rise as 1 Million Chinese Live in Africa

    https://nextshark.com/interracial-marriages-africans-chinese-rise-1-million-chinese-live-africa/

    The reverse is happening in China as African men marry Chinese women.

    Afro-Chinese marriages boom in Guangzhou

    https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/1521076/afro-chinese-marriages-boom-guangzhou-will-it-be-til-death

    If your argument is, thus, that African women are some of the least desirable women in the world while Russian women are valued far more, I don’t think you will find many opponents here.

    That’s not my argument at all. Black women are some of the most beautiful women in the world, having natural features that other women undergo dangerous surgical procedures and risk skin cancer to acquire. Increasingly, these features are becoming the standard of beauty in the West. Luckily, my German wife has a nice ass and full lips. Believe it or not, these features are not considered ideal in Germany. German men are into lipless women with flat, bony asses. But they’re acquiring the proper taste in women as the steady onslaught of Americanization takes hold.

    • Troll: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  247. @Jaakko Raipala

    These delusions never survive if they actually learn Finnish and any encounters with criminals or the legal system kill delusions even if they don’t.

    Heh. My understanding is that the Russian immigrants, even children, sort of self-isolate? Finnish being a fairly isolated society in general and Russians being a much more gregarious people.

    I’ve never found it a very dangerous society, though I had friends who told me that there was a stereotype of people who “get drunk and stab people” and that it wasn’t merely a meme.

  248. Patricus says:
    @Bliss

    In Virginia there is a Megan’s law including a web site where all convicted sexual assaulters are listed. The crimes against children especially are largely by Hispanic people and Blacks. Whites are found but under represented even though they are the majority population. Maybe this state is unique?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  249. dfordoom says: • Website
    @reiner Tor

    is this site even alt-right? Is there a coherent political program? Is there a set of views excluding Asians from commenting here?

    The one thing that seems to unite people here is that we’re all dissenters. We’re suspicious of the established political parties. We’re suspicious of the current political order. We fear that civilisation is heading for shipwreck. There’s no reason why such views would be confined to white people. If civilisation hits the iceberg it’s not just white people who are going to drown.

    • Agree: Talha, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  250. Bliss says:
    @iffen

    I am guessing you are already “allied” to an asian female half your age.

    Or else you make regular trips to Asia to seek such “alliances”.

    Am I right or what?

    • Troll: German_reader
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @German_reader
  251. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    Am I right or what?

    Actually iffen doesn’t suffer from the “Asian women got tight little pussies syndrome.” Must be that 6 months he spent in wide open Okinawa. I prefer those extra wide pelvis Mid-western white girls. Good for all those blessed big-headed babies.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  252. @dfordoom

    Aside from the fact we’re all dissidents, speaking as someone who is more hardcore alt-right than most here, I have no problem working with other races on common political calls. The European term for alt-right was “identitarian”. Asians also have identities which are under threat.

    Working with fundamentally parasitic and dishonest races is very difficult, but on occasion there is common ground there (e.g. hoteps for blacks, Steve Miller Band for the tribe).

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  253. @Bliss

    That’s exceptionally primitive even by your standards.
    If you’re unwilling to interact with other commenters here without resorting to insults, why are you even commenting? Just to annoy us?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Bliss
  254. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    I’m sure Asian guys commit some crimes or have some niche monopolized, just don’t know what it is.

    Gambling and prostitution.

    • Replies: @Talha
  255. Twinkie says:
    @Patricus

    The crimes against children especially are largely by Hispanic people and Blacks.

    My primary residence is in an area that is 3% Hispanic and 1% black. Almost all the registered sex offenders are Hispanic and and the vast majority of those arrested for violent crimes are black. This is an area where the median household income is over $200K a year and median housing price is over $1 million.

  256. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, but I’m talking where someone is agressed upon, not consensual stuff (unless you are saying they have a disproportionate share in trafficking women or something)…also, about prostitution…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  257. Twinkie says:
    @German_reader

    I am not a fan of using words such as “nigger,” but I can understand why some people do. It can be extremely aggravating to deal with a population that has an average IQ of 80-85. You have to have patience you’d normally reserve for your own toddlers (which is possible because the latter are your own flesh and blood and very cute).

    A couple of months ago I helped an older black man who was having a medical emergency in the middle of a street, and it was not a pleasant experience.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @AaronB
  258. Bliss says:
    @Twinkie

    I’m more “paleo-right” or traditionalist right.

    The “traditionalist right” put mongoloids like you in permanent concentration camps aka “reservations”. And passed laws banning your race from entering the United States. You are a fucking self-loathing moron for boasting allegiance to such a “tradition”.

    Btw, there is nothing more uniquely traditional in American culture than a college football rivalry. I just finished watching Texas beat Oklahoma in what will be remembered as one of the great examples of this tradition. Asians were conspicuous by their total absence on the field, and even among the spectators. It was all western european whites and west african blacks on the field.

    I’m also a civic nationalist.

    No you are not. You are a subversive opportunist. Your ridiculous, psychotic racism towards blacks, hispanics, jews etc should raise the red flag for genuine civic nationalists in this racially diverse nation. Blacks and Hispanics constitute 30% of the US military. Racists like you will be seen as potential traitors in WWIII.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Twinkie
  259. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-43

    Asians in America are so oppressed by whites that they are arrested for crimes at about 20% of their share of the population (1.2% arrest rate compared to 5-6% of the population). They follow this pattern with almost all the crimes except prostitution and gambling (5.1% and 6.4%, respectively). In the latter, they merely punch their own weight or slightly higher.

    • Replies: @Talha
  260. iffen says:
    @Twinkie

    but I can understand why some people do. It can be extremely aggravating to deal with

    Can’t go along with this.

    A couple of months ago I helped an older black man

    Good for you(us).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  261. AaronB says:
    @Twinkie

    Yes, I’m sure people on this site called Okchechwu a n** because they are frustrated at dealing with his low IQ :)

    And that’s a lovely thought, Twinks – dealing with people you view as less intelligent than you tempts you to call them nasty racist slurs :) Totally get that, man. Makes sense.

    Another macho “warrior” dude who is threatened by blacks. Quelle surprise.

    My psycho-profile of the alt-right is proven more correct each day.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @German_reader
  262. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    Don’t you have any other guideposts other than race?

  263. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Thorfinnsson

    Asians also have identities which are under threat.

    Very much so. It’s fairly obvious that the globalists have East Asians marked down for cultural destruction. Which makes sense. East Asians have successful very high-functioning societies, like white people used to have, therefore East Asians must be as evil as white people. And successful high-functioning societies cannot be permitted to survive.

    Everyone is either a victim or an oppressor. Since East Asians are clearly not victims, therefore they must be oppressors.

  264. iffen says:
    @AaronB

    than you tempts you to call them nasty racist slurs

    Back it up pot head or whatever you are. He hasn’t done this.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  265. @AaronB

    And that’s a lovely thought, Twinks – dealing with people you view as less intelligent than you tempts you to call them nasty racist slurs

    Don’t play dumb, of course the reaction is primarily due to Okechukwu’s aggressive and insulting manner.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  266. Twinkie says:
    @Bliss

    Btw, there is nothing more uniquely traditional in American culture than a college football rivalry.

    Indeed, that’s what the Founding Fathers fought for and established – a football stadium.

    Blacks and Hispanics constitute 30% of the US military.

    I’m on record as stating that I’ve fought along side black heroes. However, they are far and few in between in the actual combat arms. They are mostly in non-combatant roles… like women.

    SOCOM is heavily white. There is a decent contingent of white-ish Hispanics. You run into occasional East Asians (e.g. https://navyseals.com/nsw/james-suh/). Blacks are very rare. Most fail the swimming/cold water portion. They are also extremely poor at land navigation and precision shooting as well.

  267. Dmitry says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Blacks are around 12% of America’s population.

    So such high rate of America’s population being in prison, cannot really statistically be explained – by just 12% having a higher rate of crime (think about how statistically it could work – how many times would you have to increase rate of this specific 12%, to get this kind of result?).

    So, my assumption is that American justice system is very harsh (rather than, that Americans are particularly criminal compared to the world).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  268. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    Can’t go along with this.

    I personally would not use such a language, for I see no reasons to debase myself to insult another (especially when the latter is doing a fine job of debasing oneself), but even I make exceptions:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/irish-catholic-guilt/#comment-2558210

  269. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t think you can say Okchechwu “started it”.

    But anyways, I just thought it was a really funny comment, unintentionally revealing if you combine it with his casual remarks about how expensive his neighborhood is lol.

    If I was thinking of justifying the use of racist slurs, I don’t think “its frustrating to deal with people who are stupider than moi” would be at the top of my list. That’s like something Thor would troll us with.

    Lol, I deal with quite stupid people all the time and I’ve never felt the “temptation” to hurl racist slurs at them :)

    As you know, one of my hobbies is making psychological profiles of people – I find it fun. I don’t really mind Twinks, I’m sure he’s a cool dude. But he’s funny if you view him from the right perspective.

  270. AaronB says:
    @iffen

    LSD, iff. Get your drugs right.

    Or maybe it is pot, I can’t be sure – you’ll have to ask Daniel C what drugs the alt-right is most terrified of :)

  271. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    Which is probably why an Asian never automatically pops in my head when hearing about any crime…except maybe “aggravated assault with nunchucks”.

    Peace.

    • LOL: iffen
  272. Twinkie says:
    @Dmitry

    Blacks are around 12% of America’s population.

    So such high rate of America’s prison population, cannot be explained by just 12% having a higher rate of crime.

    Our whites ARE more violent than Western European whites. It’s likely a combination of (genetic) selection and environment. Pioneering doesn’t attract gentle souls.

    I would also posit that if you replaced 12% of Japanese with blacks in Japan, not only would the overall crime rate skyrocket there thanks to the blacks, the number of crimes committed by non-blacks would also rise.

    Finally, don’t forget that young males are overwhelmingly represented in violent crime. So you have to age-norm between Western Europe and America (which is, I believe, is the main thrust of Mr. Unz argument regarding Hispanic criminality in America – that it’s similar to or only somewhat higher rate than the white rate after age- and sex-norming).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  273. Twinkie says:
    @AaronB

    Lol, I deal with quite stupid people all the time and I’ve never felt the “temptation” to hurl racist slurs at them :)

    That depends. Some stupid people are cute or lovable. Some even have wisdom while lacking intelligence.

    Stupid and belligerent people, on the other hand, are quite unpleasant.

    As you know, one of my hobbies is making psychological profiles of people

    I usually find that people who practice anonymous armchair psychiatry and remote Internet diagnosis suffer from Dunning-Kruger effect and are annoying as heck to boot.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  274. Bliss says:
    @iffen

    Actually iffen doesn’t suffer from the “Asian women got tight little pussies syndrome.”

    The insinuation in my post must have touched a raw nerve. Its got iffen denying he is iffen. Lol.

  275. @AaronB

    Lol, I deal with quite stupid people all the time and I’ve never felt the “temptation” to hurl racist slurs at them

    The problem is the aggression, not just the stupidity (even though both Bliss and Okechukwu have written some really stupid things, like in that thread about ancient Egypt). Ok, on some level I understand Bliss and Okechukwu are angry about the frequently negative opinions stated about blacks here. But their comments consist largely of insults, both against individuals and against groups (just look at Okechukwu’s comments here where he calls Russia a “shithole” and Russian women prostitutes…it’s a sign of Karlin’s tolerance he didn’t ban him for that). If you despise most of the regular commenters here anyway, what’s the point of such lengthy diatribes? I don’t get it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Okechukwu
  276. AP says:
    @AaronB

    Even some black people have this temptation, as this classic clip shows:

  277. Bliss says:
    @German_reader

    That’s exceptionally primitive

    That’s truly obscene coming from the Nazi savage who saw nothing wrong with german soldiers using african POWs as target practice during WWII.

    Methinks I touched another raw nerve here.

    • Troll: Twinkie
    • Replies: @German_reader
  278. AaronB says:
    @Twinkie

    Ok, but you didn’t make distinctions. You just said dealing with stupid people is so frustrating that you can understand the temptation to call them racist names. Which is weird. But also funny :)

    You’re not into armchair psychology? Dude, its really fun! I’m told you can even do it while suffering from Dunning-Kruger, a debilitating condition that leaves its victims with few outlets for recreation.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  279. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    I kind of agree they’re being silly for getting into this competition with whites, just as whites here are silly to get competitive with blacks.

    But everyone suffers from feelings of low self esteem and inadequacy these days, so there you have it. Human nature.

  280. @Dmitry

    It is indeed close to a worldwide trend.

    The exile wasn’t making all its shit up after all. The bankers here are all agreed that the 1990s to mid 2000s were the era of wild parties, strip club outings, etc. Now it’s a modest beer after work once a week at best.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @AP
  281. @Okechukwu

    I think I may have just netted the premium version of Tiny Duck to my blog.

    Suck it, Steve! ;)

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  282. Bliss says:
    @Talha

    I hear some guy used to seduce fellow commuters to dine with him at his house and then drug them, strangle them, sodomize their corpse and then sautée their foot for a midnight snack and freeze the rest for later and got caught because the cop who pulled him over for running a red happened to catch a few blood stains near the rear hatch of his car – I think: White guy.

    A notorious example (german-american):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

    Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960 – November 28, 1994), also known as the Milwaukee Cannibal or the Milwaukee Monster, was an American serial killer and sex offender, who committed the rape, murder, and dismemberment of 17 men and boys from 1978 to 1991. Many of his later murders involved necrophilia, cannibalism, and the permanent preservation of body parts — typically all or part of the skeleton.

    Example from Europe:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Kroll

    Joachim Georg Kroll (17 April 1933 – 1 July 1991) was a German serial killer, child molester and cannibal. He was known as the Ruhr Cannibal (Ruhrkannibale), Ruhr Hunter (Ruhrjäger) and the Duisburg Man-Eater (Duisburger Menschenfresser). He was convicted of eight murders but confessed to a total of 14 which he committed in and around the Ruhr metropolitan region.

    • Replies: @AP
  283. @Bliss

    That’s truly obscene coming from the Nazi savage who saw nothing wrong with german soldiers using african POWs as target practice during WWII.

    That’s a blatant lie…I merely stated that I don’t care that much about it (in the sense that it was a long time ago and only a minor detail compared to other Nazi crimes).
    Other commenters can look for themselves:

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/darkest-hour/#comment-2226625

    Anyway, I’m off to the meeting of my chapter of the Deutsche Kolonialgesellschaft…the natives of Deutsch-Südwest have to be brought under German rule again (and this time, it will be even harsher!).

    • Replies: @Bliss
  284. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry

    I don’t think its related to the hikkomiri phenom.

    The Japanese party very hard, much harder than us – there is no stigma to drinking alcohol there (don’t tell Dan C), and everyone drinks heavily multiple times a week. Respectable salarymen are sprawled on the floor drunk, and everyone is cool with it.

    Karaoke with girls and prostitution in all its forms is everywhere and widely indulged in by everyone.

    Japan has a long tradition of a “floating world”, a dreamlike space devoted to refined debauchery, where the cares of ordinary life are let go and the world is seen for what it really is – a dream.

    The downturn in partying in America has more to do with the dreary Puritan culture that reasserts itself every so often. The 60s cast a long shadow, but eventually the Puritans come back.

    You must remember America is primarily about business and taking things seriously. It doesn’t really have the intellectual refinement or spiritual depth to know how to play, and it’s the only place in the world where the wealthy elites live lives of drab puritan dourness centred on work for works sake.

    There is nothing like the Old European aristocrats with their pleasure loving ways.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    , @Daniel Chieh
  285. Dmitry says:
    @Twinkie

    In Japan, they have an problem with high crime from Brazilian segment of the population (Brazilians who repatriated to Japan in the 1990s).

    But statistically, even if a group has multiple times higher crime rate than the rest of a country – if they are only 12% of a population, the effect on country average will be highly moderated.

    In America and Russia, also statistically, would find that prison population is a lot higher than should be expected from the crime rate (which is not so high by world averages). It can only be sign of a particularly harsh (by world standards) legal systems.

  286. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It seems also internationally, teenagers are, on average, becoming more conservative in social life than 10 or 20 years ago.

    (This is the same situation in Russia).

    CDC: Sex and drug rates down among teens, suicidal thoughts up

    ..

    The rates of sex, which provide a broad indication of the prevalence of STDs among young adults, were the lowest the CDC has observed since it began administering the survey in 1991. It showed that teens who:

    Ever had sex: Declined from 47.8% in 2007 to 39.5% in 2017.
    Had four or more sexual partners: Declined from 14.9% in 2007 to 9.7% in 2017.

    https://bigthink.com/stephen-johnson/sex-and-drug-rates-down-among-teens-suicidal-thoughts-up-cdc-report-shows

    Increase in “suicidal thoughts”- also something converging with a Japanese form of consciousness.

  287. Bliss says:
    @German_reader

    First the neo-nazi acts all offended by my accusation (even while basically confirming it):

    That’s a blatant lie…I merely stated that I don’t care that much about it

    Then in the very next paragraph he shows his true colors with a threat to be even more barbaric than WWII Nazis:

    this time, it will be even harsher!

    You are right, next time it will be truly apocalyptic. Why are you looking forward to that?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  288. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In 1999 I took my wife to a sushi place in Herzen’s old house in Moscow. It was not advertised as a strip joint or adult oriented place, but the waitresses just happened to be topless for no identifiable reason. 90s Russia.

    • Replies: @AP
  289. AP says:
    @AP

    On second thought, it was not his old house but some other impressive building associated with him, a block off Tverskaya. The restaurant doesn’t exist anymore, at least not in that form.

  290. AP says:
    @Bliss

    Serial killers are represented among whites as they are among the general population, not more. The problem is that black victims don’t make the news as much.

  291. Twinkie says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Tiny Duck is occasionally funny.

  292. Twinkie says:
    @AaronB

    If I have to spell out obvious things to you, you might be suffering D-K.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  293. @Dmitry

    Increase in “suicidal thoughts”- also something converging with a Japanese form of consciousness.

    Japan is ahead of the curve and the rest of the civilised world is converging with it:

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-united-states-of-japan

    (Although I don’t share the optimistic ending for the rest of us)

    • Replies: @AaronB
  294. @AaronB

    I don’t think you can say Okchechwu “started it”.

    In one of his first comments here at this blog he claimed that Karlin lived in the USA and would never set his foot in the shithole that is Russia. He claimed without much evidence that Karlin was lying when he said he had already moved to Russia.

    Later he changed his opinion and started claiming that Karlin was really just a Russian troll who had never set foot on US soil. He failed to even acknowledge the contradiction between his two claims.

    He was pretty aggressive and came through as an asshole throughout.

    Anyway, I guess that explains Karlin’s slurs. As to Thorfinnsson, well, he’s Thorfinnsson.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Okechukwu
  295. I don’t think there is much value in engaging with the African power couple, but if you are going to retaliate, make the insults more creative.

  296. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    Well I agree that wasn’t very cool of him. The blacks here are also being silly for being so aggressive.

  297. @Bliss

    I have the terrible feeling that this comment was dead serious.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  298. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    Japan is slowly transitioning to a post-capitalist, post-growth society. It is rediscovering its sanity. That is why its increasingly being despised on this site, and why Dmitry fears its influence so much.

    Unfortunately, the US was always based on mindless growth – it never had a sane vision of the good life – so will not be able to follow Japan’s lead. The US will more likely collapse before it is reconstituted as a healthy place not based on endless growth.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  299. AaronB says:
    @Twinkie

    That would just mean I’m stupid.

  300. Okechukwu says:
    @German_reader

    But their comments consist largely of insults, both against individuals and against groups (just look at Okechukwu’s comments here where he calls Russia a “shithole” and Russian women prostitutes

    Given your obvious bias, you should recuse yourself from any and all disputes involving Nazis. Your assessment of the situation clearly fails the reasonable person standard.

    There is a certain worldview that is cherished by the likes of Karlin and possibly you as well. It’s a sort of alternate reality from which they derive great comfort. That’s absolutely fine. But when they broadcast those views to the world, there are always going to be people that pierce their bubble of unreality. These people attack me because I represent a grave threat to that make-believe world. But all in all it’s about as significant to me as a piece of gunk stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

  301. @Dmitry

    Also frankly many European countries are “under-imprisoned”, as Jaakko Raipala points out.

    This translates into lower property crime in the United States, making it a more pleasant place to live in (on that metric) than in many European countries – despite its “challenging” demographics.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  302. @Okechukwu

    Person who claims Africa has a bigger middle class than China and African kingdoms were technologically equivalent to Europeans until the 19th century is giving us lectures on “alternate reality.”

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  303. Okechukwu says:
    @reiner Tor

    In one of his first comments here at this blog he claimed that Karlin lived in the USA and would never set his foot in the shithole that is Russia. He claimed without much evidence that Karlin was lying when he said he had already moved to Russia.

    You’re wrong. Go back to that article. Find my very first comment and see what happens thereafter. My first comment had nothing to do with Karlin or Russia or anything of the sort, nor was it belligerent or insulting to anyone. But it lit a fuse, didn’t it?

    When does Karlin start directing racial epithets at me, before or after I made derogatory comments toward him or Russia?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  304. @AaronB

    I thought rootless cosmopolitans were supposed to be less narrow-minded.

  305. Bliss says:
    @Okechukwu

    Pedophile profile: Young, white, wealthy

    Four-year FBI investigation shows that vast majority of online child porn arrests involve people in high places…….We’ve had military officers with high clearances, pediatricians, lawyers, school principals, and tech executives,” Gulotta said of those arrested

    Wealthy financially but utterly bankrupt morally. I already posted about the satanic Australian Peter Scully who made a living selling videos of himself torturing, raping and even killing filipino children as young as 18 months old to wealthy Europeans and Americans for $10,000 an episode:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-01/australian-man-to-face-child-sex-abuse-charges-in-philippines/6511954

  306. @Okechukwu

    you should recuse yourself from any and all disputes involving Nazis

    which Nazis? Karlin isn’t a Nazi, he’s merely a Russian nationalist.
    Having a negative view of blacks doesn’t equal Nazism.

    These people attack me because I represent a grave threat to that make-believe world.

    Well yes, you’ve told us a hundred times by now that you’re super-successful, earn a lot of money, have a stunningly beautiful wife (and probably lots of sexual intercourse with her) etc. And maybe some or all of that is even true. It’s also completely irrelevant on this blog, because anybody can claim anything on the net. People here are going to judge by the content of your comments, and with few exceptions those aren’t very impressive.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Okechukwu
    , @iffen
  307. Bliss says:
    @reiner Tor

    Of course it was dead serious. How could WWIII not be an Apocalypse?

  308. @Dmitry

    It seems also internationally, teenagers are, on average, becoming more conservative in social life than 10 or 20 years ago.

    Illustration from Yeralash comedy show of the 1990s:
    A Cool Party

    • Agree: Dmitry
  309. Twinkie says:
    @German_reader

    Having a negative view of blacks doesn’t equal Nazism.

    By that metric, I know many black Nazis.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Dissident
  310. iffen says:

    Oh, man. GR is a Nazi after all.

    How could I have been so stupid?

    It all makes sense now.

  311. @AaronB

    As you know, one of my hobbies is making psychological profiles of people

    Time to up your game.

  312. Hoist a brew for Brett boys!

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
  313. Okechukwu says:
    @German_reader

    which Nazis? Karlin isn’t a Nazi, he’s merely a Russian nationalist.
    Having a negative view of blacks doesn’t equal Nazism.

    The man gets his “information” from The Daily Stormer. The man consistently expresses views that are consistent with neo-Nazism and white supremacy. He’s a Nazi.

    You people should stop trying to deny what you are. Embrace it. Revel in it. No one buys the denials, plus it’s pointless. No one cares if you’re a Nazi. No one cares if you’re a white supremacist. No one stays up up night worrying that you hate black people. You’re powerless and irrelevant. You’re intellectually bankrupt. Even white people want nothing to do with you. When you hold a rally only about 5 or 6 of you show up, besieged by tens of thousands of white counterprotesters. You’re too chickenshit to lay down your keyboards and take the action to the streets.

    Well yes, you’ve told us a hundred times by now that you’re super-successful, earn a lot of money, have a stunningly beautiful wife (and probably lots of sexual intercourse with her) etc. And maybe some or all of that is even true. It’s also completely irrelevant on this blog, because anybody can claim anything on the net. People here are going to judge by the content of your comments, and with few exceptions those aren’t very impressive.

    I have no idea what you’re blabbering about here. If I really wanted to brag about myself it would be much more impressive than the little tidbits I’ve reluctantly teased out.

  314. Okechukwu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Person who claims Africa has a bigger middle class than China and African kingdoms were technologically equivalent to Europeans until the 19th century is giving us lectures on “alternate reality.”

    My reference was to military technology only. African military technology coped well with European technology until the middle to late 19th century. We have abundant historical records of African armies defeating European armies prior to that time. As an example, in three wars that spanned the 19th century, the Ashanti defeated the British in the first two wars. However, when modern weapons were introduced by the British they were finally able to prevail against the Ashanti in 1873.

    Regarding the respective sizes of the Chinese and African middle classes, both are subject to dispute by economists. According to the African Development Bank, the size of Africa’s middle class is approximately 350 million out of a population of 1.2 billion. The figures I’ve seen for the Chinese middle class suggest that it numbers approximately 420 million out of a population of 1.4 billion. If these numbers are correct (again, they’re disputed both ways), then Africa has a middle class that is 34% of the population, while China has a middle class that is 33% of the population.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  315. Twinkie says:
    @Okechukwu

    As an example, in three wars that spanned the 19th century, the Ashanti defeated the British in the first two wars.

    How curious. Where were they fighting?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  316. @Okechukwu

    I don’t remember the exact article.

    Here’s a comment from a recent thread:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/stupid-people/#comment-2502560

    I’m sub-Saharan African and I’m smarter than you. Prove that sub-Saharan Africans have an IQ of 70 or shut-up.

    The irony is, like most race and IQ exponents, the fake Russian Anatoly Karlin is a complete moron. There’s no other way to characterize someone who believes that perfectly functional Africans have the same mental capacity as Special Olympics participants.

    This is an aggressive comment full of ad hominems and non sequiturs, but devoid of any arguments.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Okechukwu
  317. Twinkie says:
    @reiner Tor

    perfectly functional Africans

    Who built Wakanda!*

    *In real life, known as Singapore.

  318. @Twinkie

    Amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics.

    “Defeated” can mean a number of things. Here it means that the Ashanti thwarted British attempts to conquer them twice, but as the technological gap kept widening, they were conquered in the third war. There was never a question of the Ashanti conquering the British.

    It’s not to say that the Ashanti military performance was totally unimpressive, defeating a much more technologically advanced conqueror twice, but it’s interesting how it’s now spinned into technological equivalence.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Twinkie
  319. DFH says:
    @reiner Tor

    They were very, very small British forces (in the low hundreds) plus native allies fighting against the entire mobilised Ashanti state (tens of thousands). The effort expanded by the Ashanti was huge, but the British were using only a negligible fraction of their resources.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Okechukwu
  320. @DFH

    Of course, it’s still something worthy: fighting a conqueror and defeating it.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    , @DFH
  321. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    Having a negative view of blacks doesn’t equal Nazism.

    I agree, but what would be the word that describes this person?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @reiner Tor
  322. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Assuming this feeling applies to Blacks in general, I thought this is garden variety “racism”, no?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  323. @iffen

    Though I think you are looking for another-ist starting with an r, realist might be a good word.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @iffen
  324. @reiner Tor

    Of course, it’s still something worthy: fighting a conqueror and defeating it.

    On the other hand, the major cause of the 1st Ashanti War (1823-1831) was that the British were trying to eliminate the slave trade, and the Ashanti were fighting to preserve it, if I recall correctly.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  325. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I thought this is garden variety “racism”, no?

    I don’t know Talha. I don’t want it to be. I fully understand my racism of 50 years ago and it is not what I think now.

  326. DFH says:
    @reiner Tor

    I do not really care about that aspect, my point was what it shows about the relative power of Britain and the Ashanti at the time

  327. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    Though I think you are looking for another-ist starting with an r

    Now why would you accuse me of this when you know damn well that it is not true?

    You are saying a realist is not a racist. What separates the two with regard to blacks?

    And since we are in accusatory mode: If you could be assured that no Africans would ever be allowed to migrate to Europe, would you still oppose sending surplus food to starving African children?

    And you never answered this: Malnourished children produce mentally and physcially stunted adults. How would this be better?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Twinkie
  328. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    At least in this place of Western Europe (where I’m writing this comment in Western Europe), there does not seem to be property crime, or no-one I met has ever said they were victim of property crime. I’m not sure it’s widespread sufficiently, to effect quality of life except in rare cases.

    On the other hand, for typical people living in America, would you fear more criminals or the police?

    I think discussion began because Thorfinnsson said about how was in prison in America for a short time – which looking in simplistic way at the chart of prison population, is something over 10x more likely to happen to you if you are in the US, than if you are in Japan.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  329. @iffen

    I didn’t even accuse you with anything. I thought you made the comment in resignation to the hopelessness of the situation: you recognized that we can stave off the accusation of Nazism by proving that we are merely… “racists.”

    Anyway, regarding the starving children. If I could set policy by being dictator of NATO for eternal life, I’d work out a package of minimizing suffering. This would include minimizing birth rates for the majority of Africans, while trying to keep the most intelligent groups fecund. I don’t know if I’d send food aid, but I know that currently most food aid is stolen by local warlords and dictators and is used to perpetuate dictatorships and civil wars. It also diminishes the livelihood of local farmers, who normally reap extra profits during droughts. It also reduces the need of local warlords to try to keep the agriculture in shape and allows them to pillage the land more freely.

    Ultimately, such policy can only be decided based on expected results, not whether one would seem more moral from an armchair.

    • Replies: @iffen
  330. @Okechukwu

    You’re powerless and irrelevant. You’re intellectually bankrupt. Even white people want nothing to do with you.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/brett-kavanaugh-vote-live-stream-senate-confirmation-today-2018-10-06/

    yawns

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  331. Regarding Kavanaugh, someone brought up over at iSteve that if Kavanaugh had not been a virgin until long after college, then it’d be pretty easy to disprove by bringing forward the girls he dated. It’d be easy to find witnesses that, yeah, Kavanaugh did date girl X, and girl X claiming to have had sex with Kavanaugh. But no one came forward with such a story.

    Another point is that anyone who grabbed Dr. Ford the way she claims, that person surely wouldn’t have waited until his mid-twenties to lose his virginity.

    Therefore, it seems very likely that even if someone did assault Dr. Ford sometime, it was not Kavanaugh.

  332. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    I didn’t even accuse you with anything. I thought you made the comment in resignation to the hopelessness of the situation: you recognized that we can stave off the accusation of Nazism by proving that we are merely… “racists.”

    Okay, I misunderstood.

    I’m not interested in staving off accusations of being a Nazi. As far as I am concerned, Nazis can be called Nazis. I do think that it idiotic to call someone like Trump a Nazi, but that is politics. I assume all Nazis (all few thousand) are some sort of racist, but I don’t believe that most “race realists” are Nazis. (At least not the ones that I have encountered on the Net in forums like this.) My question really centers on whether a “race realist” fits the definition of racist and I am having trouble sorting through those issues.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  333. @Dmitry

    It rather depends on where you live in America.

    In largely non-black areas, the police.

    In areas where blacks are more than one quarter of the population, criminals. If I lived in such an area it would completely alter my behavior. No going out at night, no partying, no stopping to help stranded motorists, and I’d carry a firearm. I would also need to harden/fortify my home. Not very pleasant.

    Special cases not involving blacks include areas with a lot of hispanic gang activity, areas where the drug problem among whites has spiraled out of control (mainly a property crime problem), or simply getting drunk and belligerent in a rowdy bar (other bar patrons probably a greater risk to you than police, though police also a problem).

    If you think about it, people should fear the police more than criminals. That means policing has achieved its goal. I am not going to justify the entire American criminal justice system, it has a lot of unpleasant aspects which aren’t defensible.

    But on the whole it’s a better system than what exists in most other Western countries, in which the consequences for crime are quite minor. Our Finnish friend gave us a very disturbing example. In the UK many home owners view burglary (up to and including home invasion) as inevitable, whereas it’s fairly rare in America. Not only is burglary harshly punished (and home invasion more so), but the burglar runs a real risk of getting shot. Unlike in the UK or Australia, the home owner who defends his home and family runs very little risk of prosecution.

    Liberal intellectuals believe that crime stems from inequality, poverty, “oppression”, etc. and thus are predisposed to treat criminals as victims of society rather than as lawless predators who terrorize ordinary people. No society should tolerate crime at all.

    This includes black societies, even if the challenge is far greater. My understanding is that there are some black areas which are controlled by the Nation of Islam where crime is effectively suppressed. If that is true than good for them.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Dmitry
  334. @Thorfinnsson

    It’s always heartening to read about blacks getting their shit together, even if under the guidance of ultimately misguided ideologies.

  335. @iffen

    Racist is losing its meaning as it now includes all race realists and a good deal more. If you admit to as much as genetic racial differences, you are already a racist for most people.

    • Replies: @iffen
  336. It’s usually considered racist to propose that Europeans had a more advanced civilization than blacks for most of recorded history. (And we’re talking about most and not all recorded history because of Nubians only. For the past three millennia Europeans had more advanced civilizations than Sub-Saharan Africans.)

    And it’s usually not considered racist if you propose white inferiority, even genetic inferiority.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Bliss
  337. @for-the-record

    Frankly I don’t understand the “nigger” comments directed at Okechukwu. You may disagree with what he says, but there is no need to use such language. If you think you are going to “win” your struggle, such comments will have the opposite effect. People like me, who are not altogether opposed to your points of view, are completely turned off. AaronB would say that this is of no account because people of my generation are simply waiting to die off, but I can’t believe that such a minimal degree of “good manners” has totally disappeared from the succeeding generations.

    Couldn’t agree more. A new low point on here.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  338. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor

    And it’s usually not considered racist if you propose white inferiority, even genetic inferiority.

    This is only too true. Its why anti-racism is just as dangerous as racism – anti-racism inevitably becomes reverse-racism.

    Any scheme of Utopia ends up recreating what it fights in a reverse way. Any scheme of perfection ends up creating exactly what it seeks to eliminate, often in unexpected ways.

    We need the Buddhist Middle Way – a little racism is normal and healthy for most of the population (there will always be some people who feel almost no racism, but they are few).

    We care too much about racism – either to eliminate it or make it the foundation principle of the alt- right, going to extremes that backfire.

    Buddha grew up in luxury, and found it unsatisfying. He then tried extreme asceticism, and found it didn’t work. His great insight was that extremes don’t work – you cannot exclude one half of reality. Reality is a whole system. It is One. We cannot evolve towards any kind of Utopia – a place where only one aspect of reality is fully realized, what we consider “the good”. You cannot have only “the good” (however you imagine it).

    Of course when viewed this way, you achieve a kind of acceptance sometimes misleadingly called ‘detachment’.

    Unfortunately, this goes against the whole tenor of Western thinking. We think the world

  339. @Swedish Family

    Guys, please vote!

    A) Swedocaust
    B) Swedodomor
    C) Swedocide
    D) Swedogeddon

    And the method:

    A) letting them do whatever they are doing right now
    B) A)
    C) B)
    D) C)

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @inertial
  340. @Okechukwu

    He’s a Nazi.

    The real Nazis wanted to destroy Russia. Karlin is a Russian nationalist (and a rather militant one in some ways), so he can’t be a Nazi.
    You should be more careful with using accurate terms.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  341. Talha says:
    @reiner Tor

    My money is on the Swedes getting out of this…but the Swedes that emerge won’t be the same Swedes we’ve known for a while now.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  342. @Talha

    but the Swedes that emerge won’t be the same Swedes we’ve known for a while now

    Because they’ve all converted to Islam?

    • Replies: @Talha
  343. utu says:

    Ashanti were all about slavery and human sacrifices. Not only slaves were used in human sacrifices but slaves were likely to be sacrificed. When Britain abolished slavery Ashanti ended up with a surplus of slaves and it is possible that human sacrificing practice increased. Ashanti wanted to have a better access to the coast which was controlled by Britain to be able to sell slaves which Britain did not allow. It seems that all wars with Ashanti had the issue of slavery in the background.

    “Every Grade of Civilisation”: Ashanti Slavery, Savagery, and Civilisation in Nineteenth-Century British Writings

    http://www.academia.edu/31580200/_Every_Grade_of_Civilisation_Ashanti_Slavery_Savagery_and_Civilisation_in_Nineteenth-Century_British_Writings

    As mentioned above neither Ashantis nor Europeans believed the possibility of being sacrificed necessarily made one a slave, though being a slave automatically qualifed one for such rituals.

    It seems that Britain did not have big plans for this region of Africa and often considered a withdrawal. They were also not very missionary in missionary work so Ashanti were pagans.

  344. Talha says:
    @German_reader

    That’s one of a few possibilities…I’m fairly certain native/ethnic Swedes won’t simply allow themselves to be replaced at some tipping point; details of their survival strategy is up for grabs.

    Peace.

  345. Bliss says:
    @reiner Tor

    It’s usually considered racist to propose that Europeans had a more advanced civilization than blacks for most of recorded history.

    Of course it’s racist to lie like that. It’s usually nordicists who are guilty of propagating such fake histories. And it’s them who are notorious for endlessly concocting pseudoscientific race theories.

    Nordicism reached its peak with the Nazis and Europe paid a very heavy price for it.

    • Replies: @DFH
  346. inertial says:
    @reiner Tor

    E) Swednarök
    F) Swederdämmerung

    E seems to be the most appropriate.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  347. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    you admit to as much as genetic racial differences, you are already a racist for most people.

    I guess this is likely true.

    It just seems to me that saying that people on the left side of the curve have a more difficult time competing in a modern complex society is not racist because it applies to every bell curve population, not just the black one.

    I just don’t feel like a racist, and like I said in my comment to Talha, I definitely was one 50 years ago.

  348. @inertial

    Swednarök

    iirc the gods (and human heroes? I don’t know much Norse mythology) fought a huge battle against the trolls and giants in Ragnarök, so at least went down fighting. Most Swedes can’t even bring themselves to vote for the Sweden Democrats, which seem to be pretty mild by now.
    Not that Germany is any better, but at least we’ve got our history as an excuse.

  349. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    Nazis were running around with calipers measuring heads just a few decades ago and deciding who was Aryan and who was subhuman Slav. And that was mainstream reality in Europe, with tragic consequences.

    How do you HBD whackjobs justify that? Your IQism is just the latest version of that pseudoscientific bullshit.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @iffen
    , @DFH
  350. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    depends on where you live in America.

    I was dreaming for a few minutes about exploring “compton” and “engelwood” when I saw these signs on the highway. Then I wasn’t sure. I guess it was not a good idea?

    people should fear the police more than criminals.

    I’m not sure – it’s usually a result of police impunity.

    I fear police more than criminals, not because I am doing anything wrong, but because police have so much power and impunity to fuck you up if they feel like it. And if they claim that you have done something wrong, then conviction rate in the courts is (95%) – trials are almost a joke.

    That means policing has achieved its goal.

    Well in the Soviet Union?

    The goal should be to prevent harm to third-parties, while with minimal intervention. Not just aggregating power to the authorities.

    in most other Western countries, in which the consequences for crime are quite minor..

    People have basic precautions (as anywhere) like locking door, or using alarm before they leave. But property crime is low overall and I don’t think it is likely to effect quality of life.

    Where I am, of my colleagues, I haven’t heard of anyone being victim of any crime (this is after almost two years now).

    Generally, most people are also middle class and with no motive to do that kind of “simple crime”.

    • Replies: @iffen
  351. @Bliss

    How do you HBD whackjobs justify that?

    I don’t think anybody here has ever defended Nazi racial policy against Slavs (which would be kind of a dumb thing to do on a Russian nationalist blog).
    Anyway, you’re of course mixing different things up…most of the “racists” here (apart from Thorfinnsson and me, since I’m a card-carrying member of the Deutsche Kolonialgesellschaft) have no interest in aggressive projects like wars of conquest, subjugation of other peoples etc. like historical fascist movements had. They simply want an end to mass immigration so that their ethny doesn’t become a minority in its own homeland (the American case is admittedly more complicated, I’m speaking mostly of Europe here)…which is a fundamentally defensive project. It’s the people who are agitating for open borders, mass immigration and forced multiculturalization who are the aggressors. And no amount of guilt-tripping over the misdeeds of white imperialists in the Congo around 1900 or so is going to change that.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  352. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    How do you HBD whackjobs justify that? Your IQism is just the latest version of that pseudoscientific bullshit.

    No it’s not.

    That there are IQ differences among groups is really not in question. What is in question for me is how we can deal with the consequences in the US.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  353. @Felix Keverich

    Liberals have already taken over Georgia as far as I know. It doesn’t even feel like your in the South anymore in Atlanta at all. The boomers are the last holdouts, and Georgia outside of Greater Atlanta is emptying out of productive millennials

  354. Bliss says:
    @iffen

    there are IQ differences among groups

    Group IQ scores can fluctuate by full SDs in a generation.

    What do you imagine was the IQ of the germanic tribes 1500 years ago when they were still barbarians?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @DFH
    , @iffen
  355. @Bliss

    What do you imagine was the IQ of the germanic tribes 1500 years ago

    They defeated Roman armies, so they can’t have been completely stupid.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Bliss
  356. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    Group IQ scores can fluctuate by full SDs in a generation.

    So can height.
    So height isn’t genetic and height differences between pygmies and Dutchmen are genetic.
    Checkmate racists

  357. Bliss says:
    @German_reader

    And no amount of guilt-tripping over the misdeeds of white imperialists in the Congo around 1900 or so is going to change that.

    Tell that to the european victims of Nazism. There is a direct connection between what the Germans, Belgians etc did to africans around 1900 and what the Nazis did to Slavs, Jews, Gypsies etc 40 years later.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-germanys-extermination-program-for-black-africans-a-template-for-the-holocaust/

    Decades before the Nazis turned to the Jews, German colonialists in Southwest Africa – now Namibia – dehumanized, built death camps for, and slaughtered tens of thousands of tribespeople in a systematic genocide. Here, Edwin Black reveals the full horrors of an eerie and odious precursor of the Shoah, and its legacy in the US

    • Replies: @German_reader
  358. @Bliss

    There is a direct connection between what the Germans, Belgians etc did to africans around 1900 and

    That thesis is highly controversial, to say the least. There are a few tenuous connections in the form of individuals like Eugen Fischer (who was a mentor of Josef Mengele iirc) between the events in Deutsch-Südwest in 1904/05 and Nazi policies almost four decades later, but it has never been demonstrated that the Nazis somehow considered the German campaign there a model or even thought much about it.
    And the term “death camp” for German concentration camps in present-day Namibia is misleading imo…those were concentration camps like the British used in South Africa or the Spanish in Cuba, not pure killing facilities like Treblinka etc.
    Even mainstream historians are highly skeptical of the “continuity thesis” (e.g.: Robert Gerwarth and Stephan Malinowski, Hannah Arendt’s ghosts: Reflections on the disputable path from Windhoek to Auschwitz, in: Central European History 42 (2009), p.279-300).
    My interpretation: this whole “continuity thesis” is partly traditional Anglo Germanophobia (“Hey, those Germans were really horrible even before Hitler!”), partly an attempt to insert blacks in the European WW2 narrative (which is the basis of the post-1945 order), to justify African mass immigration to Europe. No thanks, not interested.

    • Agree: iffen
  359. Talha says:
    @German_reader

    So did the Arabs (and while outnumbered at every engagement)…

    I think IQ differences between groups seems obvious and observable. What seems contentious is how much is due to genes vs environment. Also how to factor in the Flynn factor since the numbers obviously do change over time.

    Peace.

  360. Bliss says:
    @German_reader

    They defeated Roman armies

    The nomadic Huns terrorized both Rome and the German barbarians. Haitians defeated the French Empire at it’s prime. Etc, etc. If the Germanic tribes were intelligent why were they unable to create a civilization of their own?

    Civilization came to Northern Europe from Southern Europe. And it came to Southern Europe from Egypt.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @DFH
    , @Twinkie
  361. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    What do you imagine was the IQ of the germanic tribes 1500 years ago when they were still barbarians?

    They didn’t know about IQ then so it didn’t exist.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  362. iffen says:
    @Dmitry

    when I saw these signs on the highway.

    It’s a good idea to not stay in motels located on MLK, Jr. Boulevard anywhere in America.

  363. Dissident says:
    @Twinkie

    By that metric, I know many black Nazis.

    By (absurd) current-year metrics, even many Jews would be considered (and have been called) Nazis. Myself included.

  364. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    Haitians defeated the French Empire at it’s prime.

    That’s not in question. What is in question is whether Haiti will be a shithole 50 or 100 years from now like it is a shithole now and was 50 years ago and 10o years ago.

  365. Bliss says:
    @iffen

    They didn’t know about IQ then so it didn’t exist.

    What part of “imagine” didn’t you understand?

    Since you think IQ measures intelligence how intelligent do you imagine the Germanic tribes were at that time?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @DFH
  366. @Bliss

    The Breeder’s Equation tells us how much any given trait can change in a population in one generation, depending on selection. Considering realistic selection levels, group IQs could change a lot over the centuries. And I’d bet they did. It’s likely that the ancient Germanics two millennia ago were considerably dumber than modern Germans.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Bliss
  367. Twinkie says:
    @reiner Tor

    I don’t think you got my sarcasm.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  368. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    Haitians defeated the French Empire at it’s prime

    No, half the French army was dying of tropical diseases so they went home. The Haitians did not invade and conquer France.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  369. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    Since you think IQ measures intelligence how intelligent do you imagine the Germanic tribes were at that time?

    They were probably also shorter than modern Germans, therefore the IQ differences between Europeans and Africans have nothing to do with genes.
    Racism btfo once again by negro intellectual Bliss

  370. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    You are saying a realist is not a racist. What separates the two with regard to blacks?

    A realist in this context is someone who recognizes the mean group differences in heritable traits as well as varying cultural effects. A racist is one who judges an individual simply because of his race.

    Examples:

    A realist: blacks on average have lower IQ than whites in the U.S. based on testing data.

    A racist: “Bliss” is a unintelligent, because he is black.

    I am a realist in that I subscribe to the former based on many bits of data I’ve seen on the issue (as well as my personal interactions). I am not a racist in that although I think Bliss is an imbecile, I believe that’s because that is who he is, not because he is black. I know numerous non-imbecilic blacks (though I also know very few brilliant blacks).

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Johann Ricke
  371. Twinkie says:
    @Bliss

    And it came to Southern Europe from Egypt.

    Anatolian farmers and Eurasian steppe pastoralists were not from Egypt. Neither were ancient Mesopotamians.

    Lest you go the black Egypt route, the presence of sub-Saharan African genes among Egyptians is mostly flow from slavery in the Islamic period.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Bliss
  372. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    Your comment is based on zero evidence and on confusion on what IQ is.

    Furthermore providing that the breeder’s equation is valid in some sense you still need to know what is heritability to use it. But heritability is not some universal constant but society dependent empirical parameter.

    A good rule of thumb is that any statement comparing intelligence of peoples from ancient past has no logical value. People who engage in such comparison are like adolescent boys wondering who wins Dino’s or Sharks.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    , @utu
  373. Bliss says:
    @reiner Tor

    It’s likely that the ancient Germanics two millennia ago were considerably dumber than modern Germans.

    They must have been considerably dumber than most other people on Earth, for most of human history.

    The Romans figured that the German barbarians had to be indigenous to the frigid bogs and forests they lived in, for no one would choose to migrate to such a miserable environment.

    • Replies: @DFH
  374. Dissident says:
    @utu

    People who engage in such comparison are like adolescent boys wondering who wins Dino’s or Sharks.

    While being unlikely (i.e., “people who engage in such comparison”) to possess much in the way of those unmistakably redeeming qualities that often make the latter (adolescent boys) so endearing.

  375. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    They must have been considerably dumber than most other people on Earth, for most of human history.

    Actually they musn’t have been, since Northern Europeans are more intelligent than most other racial groups in similar environments. They were about the same height as Romans too (1.6 to 1.7m, for men), so probably not too much difference in nutrition. But I suppose you have just dropped any attempt at argument now and are just in full-on coping mode? I get it, being constantly reminded of your race’s lack of achievments in comparison with Europeans and Asians must be tough.

  376. iffen says:
    @Twinkie

    A realist in this context is someone who recognizes the mean group differences in heritable traits as well as varying cultural effects. A racist is one who judges an individual simply because of his race.

    I think that this is a valuable understanding. I also think that your comment on another thread that Europeans and E. Asians share a history of literate civilization is explanatory.

    I was going to comment that I didn’t think that your characterization of Bliss as an imbecile was accurate, then she posted #389.

    I think that as a civic nationalist, a concept that appeals to me, you should think about and expound upon how we can go forward, rather than expending your energy on jousting with Bliss.

    • Replies: @Talha
  377. Bliss says:
    @Twinkie

    Predictably comes the shameless nordicist mongoloid, desperate to get pats on his subhuman non-aryan head. Lol.

    Anatolian farmers and Eurasian steppe pastoralists were not from Egypt. Neither were ancient Mesopotamians.

    You stupid, ignorant dipshit. The Ancient Greeks looked to Egyptian civilization for inspiration, not farmers and pastoralists from Anatolia or the Steppe. You are a fucking drooling imbecile for thinking that Greek civilization was copied from herders and farmers. Ridiculous.

    Lest you go the black Egypt route, the presence of sub-Saharan African genes among Egyptians is mostly flow from slavery in the Islamic period.

    You need to stop hanging out at Stormfront, moron. You will only learn fake history there. Some of those Nazi whackjobs also think nordics founded Chinese civilization. You believe that bullshit too? Why not?

    Of course Ancient Egypt was an african civilization. The Pharaohs were genetically Africans. The Ancient Greeks describe the Egyptians of their time as Africans. The tomb paintings depict Africans. Etc.

    • Replies: @DFH
  378. iffen says:

    Yeah, imbecile, my bad.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Twinkie
  379. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    Of course Ancient Egypt was an african civilization. The Pharaohs were genetically Africans.

    They weren’t. From the notorious white supremacist publication Nature.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

    • Replies: @Bliss
  380. DFH says:
    @iffen

    Don’t be too harsh on her(?). Being continuously reminded of your races lack of achievments would probably drive anyone a little crazy in their desperate attempts to cope.

  381. Bliss says:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memnon_(mythology)

    In Greek mythology, Memnon (/ˈmɛmnən/; Ancient Greek: Μέμνων) was an Ethiopian king and son of Tithonus and Eos. As a warrior he was considered to be almost Achilles’ equal in skill. During the Trojan War, he brought an army to Troy’s defense and had killed Antilochus during a fierce battle. The death of Memnon echoes that of Hector, another defender of Troy whom Achilles also killed out of revenge for a fallen comrade, Patroclus.

    After Memnon’s death, Zeus was moved by Eos’ tears and granted him immortality. Memnon’s death is related at length in the lost epic Aethiopis, composed after The Iliad circa the 7th century BCE. Quintus of Smyrna records Memnon’s death in Posthomerica. His death is also described in Philostratus’ Imagines.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  382. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    The colossi of Memnon in Luxor, Egypt:

  383. Dissident says:
    @German_reader

    It’s kind of symptomatic of US political discourse that this isn’t brought up (because both political parties are in essential agreement about many elements of US foreign policy), instead one gets this bizarre spectacle about teenage misdeeds, with high school yearbooks as “evidence”.

    Yes, I quite agree. Much like the now-infamous anonymously published NY Times Op-Ed purported to have been authored by “a senior official in the Trump administration”. Now, to be clear, let me first note that I, for one (in contrast to what I have seen from many in these parts), find at least some of the concerns that have been raised regarding the President’s temperament and fitness to rule to be valid. What I found most remarkable about that Op-Ed, however, was that it seemed to me that the author’s real problem with Trump was that when meeting with foreign leaders and waging foreign policy, the President is insufficiently belligerent.

    Should any of this come as any surprise at this point? Going all the way back to the Presidential campaign, how many people believe that the establishment’s real problem with Trump was ever his lurid vulgarity and narcissim? For merely speaking against immigration, the President was likened to Hitler– by people who bear direct culpability and complicity in foreign policy that has ravaged entire nations, leaving mass carnage and misery with no end in sight in its wake. Rather obscene, is it not?

    (To paraphrase a comment from the Unz poster “Working Class” that has stood-out in my memory,
    So, after bombing and killing millions of them, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama really do care about Muslims after all. Who knew?

    I’m opposed to Western interventions in the Mideast. I’m not going to pretend though that Islam is just fine and the presence of Muslims in Europe not a serious problem).

    Do you actually have a problem, necessarily, with Islam, per se? As John Derbyshire and no doubt others have pointed-out, one need not take any position on Islam, per se in order to oppose the realities that now prevail with regard to Muslim immigration and demographics in the West.

    Also, is it only in the Mideast that you oppose Western military intervention?

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @German_reader
  384. utu says:
    @utu

    If the breeder’s equation was indeed as good and as applicable to IQ score as Cochran would make you believe, it would be used to determine the heritability. It would suffice to plot children’s IQ scores vs. parent’s IQ scores and determine the slope. One would expect that there are huge samples available where both children and parents where IQ tested. Certainly the samples must be larger than samples of identical and fraternal twins yet it does not seem that anybody is doing it. Why? Probably because the scatter of point is so large that it yields the slope close to zero contradicting the IQist expectations and Cochran’s claims.

    I googled “parent children IQ breeder equation” and the top hits are to the usual suspects: Cochran, JayMan, Razib Khan, Sailer, Pumpkin Person and their claptrap from the same echo chamber but nothing to a legitimate research. Apparently the equation works for height, wheat yield, and chicken beaks and the plots can be easily found but not for IQ scores. I won’t mind being proven wrong.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  385. @Dissident

    Do you actually have a problem, necessarily, with Islam, per se?

    imo Islam plays a significant role in impeding the development of Islamic societies, much of the Islamic world seems to be intellectually stagnant. Even a country like Turkey that once showed some promise is now being ruined by Erdogan and his ilk, won’t end well imo.
    Now Talha and others like him would of course argue that Islam is holding those societies together and that there would be horrible mass violence without the solidarity between different ethnicities and classes enjoined by the faith. And maybe that’s true, I don’t know. Personally I think it would be better if there was at least some secularization in the Islamic world, but ultimately those decisions need to be taken by Muslims themselves. Western meddling in Islamic societies so far has been only counter-productive and even aided the most extremist elements there.
    What I primarily object to, is the increasing spread of Islamic influence in Western societies. Islamization is a real phenomenon in Europe. Of course the problems can’t just be reduced to Islam…mass immigration and multiculturalism are inherently problematic imo, even under the best of circumstances. But Islam imo does give an added edge to many conflicts.
    As for military interventions, I’m skeptical of them in general, the results have been mostly negative…even something like the Kosovo war is a rather dubious success story, if one looks closely. I’m not a pacifist, but the idea that there are quick and simple military solutions to deep-rooted cultural and political problems is foolish imo. Not that my opinion matters.

    • Agree: iffen
  386. Talha says:
    @German_reader

    That was a fairly nuanced answer…hat tip.

    Peace.

  387. utu says:
    @German_reader

    What is missing is the question of who is writing the scrips for us that determine our thinking and perception of what is happening around us? Have you noticed that Hollywood stayed away from British Indian interactions in times of early settlements in New England? OTOH we have many movie about Comanches and Sioux of late 19 century where Indians where not given any options. There was no nuanced approach. What happened to the Indian in 17 and 18 century? Where did they go and how it was accomplished? How the assimilating Indians were set against the ones like Mohawks and Iroquois whose savage belligerence was encourages by weapon sales? How it differed from the French approach who would sell weapons only to the Indians who converted and began assimilation? What role was assigned to us and what for Talhas of this world and what for Osama bin Ladens of this world? The role of Abenaki or Mohawk or Puritans? On the other threat I wrote today how the two factions for the imperial globalization policy determine our post Cold War behavior. The first faction, Team A, script could be found in Brzezinski’s writings and 1989 presentation of Fukuyama who outlined a relatively even handed imperial policy while the second faction, Team B, counteracted it in 1992 with a new general plan outlined in the essay of Samuel Huntington where the Globalization was centered on Israel interests by refurbishing of the Middle East where the war of civilization was invented. This faction eventually won and triumphed during the second Bush administration chiefly because of 9/11. Whether you choose the script prepared for Abenakis or the one for Iroquois the ultimate outcome may not change your fate. Without addressing the real causes of the current situation we are like the poor Indian of 17 and 18 century New England. We are in much better situation than the Indians but we may not let out enemies to determine the parameters of the discourse otherwise we will be like the poor Indians, i.e., like children in the fog.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-911-conspiracy-theories/#comment-2560427

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @iffen
  388. @utu

    Team B, counteracted it in 1992 with a new general plan outlined in the essay of Samuel Huntington where the Globalization was centered on Israel interests by refurbishing of the Middle East where the war of civilization was invented.

    I’m not sure if you’re not being a bit unfair to Huntington here. I admit I’ve only read his Clash of civilizations (at some point in the mid-2000s, so maybe I’ve forgotten many things), but it seemed clear to me that he cautioned against Western military interventions in the Islamic world, especially in core countries like Iraq, because such interventions would risk drastically increasing the potential for conflicts between the West and the Islamic world. His “clash” thesis was descriptive, it wasn’t a call for civilizational war and the refashioning of the Islamic world through armed force, as favoured by the neoconservatives and various US nationalists like Cheney.
    iirc Huntington also didn’t include Israel as part of the West in the Clash of civilizations book, but rather regarded it as its own civilizational entity.
    Anyway, there have been some Hollywood movies about 18th century Amerindians,
    e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage_(film)
    Also probably quite a lot of movies based on Cooper’s novels.

    • Replies: @utu
  389. So after Bliss’ latest performance, do any of you still object to nigger bashing?

    Other than perhaps Swedish Family who is a congenital gaywad dork.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Twinkie
  390. @Twinkie

    A racist is one who judges an individual simply because of his race.

    I’d say a racist also wants a different, harsher set of laws for those of a different race, i.e. Jim Crow. On the other hand, a lot of blacks want reverse Jim Crow, i.e. a different, harsher set of laws for non-blacks.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  391. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Don’t most Indians face, eventually, a similar social situation to many East Asians? Those who are Hindu will tend to mix less (which is definitely not a good thing), but as far as their interests are concerned, they will wind up in the same boat even if it may take a little longer.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  392. utu says:
    @German_reader

    His “clash” thesis was descriptive, it wasn’t a call for civilizational war and the refashioning of the Islamic world through armed force, as favoured by the neoconservatives and various US nationalists like Cheney.

    Andrew Bacevich when he still was in a serious stage of sleep walking 16 years before he was awaken like Otto and Elise Hampel by the death of his son somehow managed to put this line “The Clash of Civilizations is prescriptive as well as descriptive” in his glowing review of Huntington’s book even though sadly he did not realize the true meaning of this sentence yet. Happy sleep walking.

    See who was Bernard Lewis his and ‘descriptive’ activities and how he influenced Huntington.

    During the Carter Administration, Lewis was the architect of madman Zbigniew Brzezinski’s “Arc of Crisis” policy of fomenting Muslim Brotherhood fundamentalist insurrections all along the southern tier of the Soviet Union. The planned fostering of radical Islamist war provocations was known, at the time, as “the Bernard Lewis Plan.” Among the fruits of this Lewis-Brzezinski collusion: the February 1979 Ayatollah Khomeini “Islamic Revolution” in Iran, which overthrew the Shah, and sent the once-proud center of the Islamic Renaissance back into a 20-year dark age; and the 1979-1988 Afghanistan War, provoked by Brzezinski’s July 1979 launching of covert support for Afghan mujahideen “Contras” inside Afghanistan – six months prior to the Soviet Red Army’s Christmas Eve invasion.

    As early as 1960, in a book-length study he prepared for the Royal Institute for International Affairs, under the title The Emergence of Modern Turkey, Lewis polemicized against the modernizing, nation-building legacy of Turkey’s Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. He argued instead for the revival of an Ottoman Empire that could be used as a British geopolitical battering ram against Russia and against the Arab states of the Persian Gulf – in alliance with Israel.

    It was Bernard Lewis who launched the hoax of the “Clash of Civilizations” – in a September 1990 Atlantic Monthly article on “The Roots of Muslim Rage,” which appeared three years before Brzezinski clone Samuel Huntington’s publication of his Foreign Affairs diatribe, “The Clash Of Civilizations.” Huntington’s article, and his subsequent book-length treatment of the same subject, were caricatures of Lewis’ more sophisticated British Orientalist historical fraud, which painted Islam as engaged in a 14-century-long war against Christianity. Huntington acknowledged that Lewis’ 1990 piece coined the term “Clash of Civilizations.” …

    Osama bin Laden released his 1998 jihad call on Feb. 23, 1998, six months before the truck bombing attacks against the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya. The very next day, Bernard Lewis’ signature appeared on a widely circulated Open Letter To President Bill Clinton, released by a previously unheard-of entity called the Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf, demanding that the U.S. government throw its full support behind a military campaign to overthrow Saddam Hussein. The Open Letter called for carpet bombing Iraq, and for the United States to aggressively give financial and military support for the Iraqi National Congress, yet another corrupt and inept “Contra” pseudo-gang, created by U.S. and British intelligence elements, and based in London. …

  393. Twinkie says:
    @iffen

    Yeah, imbecile, my bad.

    I almost think that Bliss is some sort of an anti-black false flag operator. Almost.

    The thing that is so corrosive about characters such as Bliss is that he makes you hold blacks in lower esteem than before. He poisons your discourse with blacks who are not batty and hostile.

    • Replies: @utu
  394. utu says:
    @Twinkie

    He should be weaponized and send to liberal sites.

  395. Twinkie says:
    @Anon

    Don’t most Indians face, eventually, a similar social situation to many East Asians?

    You would think so, but there are significant barriers. Unlike East Asians, they intermarry with whites at very low levels. Nothing builds bonds like intermarriage and shared children. Also, because of their anti-colonial inculcation, surprisingly high number of Indians harbor anti-white views. Moreover, they are religiously “other” in America – rather like Jews – and seem to harbor suspicion/fear of a Christian white majority in ways that, say, evangelical Korean or Filipino Catholic Americans do not.*

    Most Indians I know in America support the Democrats, but a small Christian subset (either Goan Catholics or Eastern Christians) are far more supportive of the GOP.

    *One of the interesting thing that emerged from the whole Harvard admissions fracas was the apparent preference Ivy admissions people hold for Indians, Nepalis, and such and against East Asians (mainly Chinese and Koreans). The Left seems to see the former as ally material, but the latter as BadAsians incompatible with the “Progressive” cause.

  396. Bliss says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    As if you needed an excuse to be evil.

    Btw:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memnon_(mythology)

    In Greek mythology, Memnon (/ˈmɛmnən/; Ancient Greek: Μέμνων) was an Ethiopian king and son of Tithonus and Eos………In the Prologue of Snorri Sturluson’s Prose Edda, Memnon is cited as the father of the Germanic God Thor.

  397. Twinkie says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    nigger bashing?

    When you engage in coarse and uncivilized language, though, you don’t just insult the target – you debase yourself… and your society, which you want to rescue from those who want to destroy civilization.

    • Agree: Talha, for-the-record
    • Replies: @Dissident
  398. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    None of those mummies tested (from a single site btw) can be proven to be native Egyptian because the time period included numerous centuries after Egypt had been overrun by foreigners including Greeks and Romans.

    Here is the real deal:

    https://www.academia.edu/2308336/Revisiting_the_harem_conspiracy_and_death_of_Ramesses_III_anthropological_forensic_radiological_and_genetic_study

    This Pharaoh of the Ramesside Period had the Y-DNA Haplogroup E1b1a. Unfortunately for you and your ilk that happens to be african.

    • Replies: @DFH
  399. Bliss says:

    Turns out that Twinkie is not the only mentally disturbed korean nazi/confederate sympathizer and gun freak:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/nazi-from-sieg-heil-taylor-swift-vid-arrested-on-weapons-charge

    https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1440,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/180409-Weil-singing-nazi-book-on-weapon-chargers-hero_bbeudi

    Heon “Hank” Jong Yoo of Tyler, Texas, is 24-year-old white supremacist of Korean descent, who is most famous for videos in which he brandished a sword in front of a Confederate flag and declared “sieg heil Taylor Swift.” While those videos, which went viral on Facebook and Twitter, earned him internet derision, he expressed more violent views on less-public platforms, including calling for “right wing death squads,” advocating lynchings, and posing with rifles, leaked chats show.

    But while Yoo went viral for alt-right memes like Taylor Swift worship, he endorsed explicit violence against other minorities in an alt-right chat group whose members have collaborated with Richard Spencer. In leaked chat logs published by the media collective Unicorn Riot, Yoo posted a Snapchat picture of himself and a friend holding rifles. “Right wing death squad,” he captioned the picture, “KKK.” He drew and cross out Jewish and Muslim symbols.

    Yoo railed against Jews, Muslims, and African-Americans in hundreds of posts, including posting pictures of scores of dead Haitians after the country’s 2010 earthquake, and a fake advertisement for a truck-mounted lynching machine.

    This ridiculous fool, Twinkie, Chieh all asian mongoloids who live in the South. Hmmm?

    In February 2017, he posted a picture of three rifles, including some that appeared semi-automatic, laid out on a Confederate flag. He’d arranged bullets to spell “n–ger tears.”

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @iffen
  400. dfordoom says: • Website
    @German_reader

    imo Islam plays a significant role in impeding the development of Islamic societies

    That’s a feature, not a bug.

    Since we don’t have Islam to hold us back we have developed much much further than those unfortunate societies. We have developed so far that we think men and women are identical, we think homosexuality is something to be admired and encouraged, we think free porn is a basic human right, we think promiscuity is the key to happiness, we think a man can marry another man, we think a man can become a woman just by putting on a frock, we think men should be allowed to use the ladies’ room and we think it’s a great idea to have homosexual scoutmasters. And half the population has to take antidepressants in order to cope.

    I’m sure glad we haven’t had Islam to hold us back.

    • Replies: @Talha
  401. Bliss says:
    @Bliss

    Unfortunately for this Taylor Swift fetishizing korean crackpot, she just today openly and actively rejected everything he stands for:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/taylor-swift-political-backs-phil-bredesen-tennessee_us_5bbaa057e4b01470d0527eec

    Singer Taylor Swift got political on Sunday, declaring her support for Tennessee’s Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate, Phil Bredesen.

    In the past, I’ve been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions, but due to several events in my life and in the world, I feel differently about that now,” Swift, who was criticized by some for remaining relatively silent during the 2016 election, wrote in an Instagram post.

    Swift said she is backing Bredesen for Senate and Jim Cooper for House of Representatives because she “cannot vote for someone who will not be willing to fight for dignity for all Americans, no matter their skin color, gender or who they love.

    While Swift said she would like to continue voting for women, she wrote Republican Rep. Marsha Blackburn’s voting record “appalls and terrifies me.”

    She criticized Blackburn, Bredesen’s rival in the Senate race, for opposing equal pay for women and gay marriage, for supporting businesses that refuse to serve gays, and for voting against reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, which protects women from domestic violence.

    These are not MY Tennessee values,” Swift wrote.

  402. Dissident says:
    @Dmitry

    While admittedly a pretty far-off tangent, this comment of yours and all the talk about parties, etc. reminded me of an old Yakov Smirnoff gag:

    In America, you can always find a party.
    In Soviet Russia, The Party always finds you.

  403. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    The Haitians did not invade and conquer France.

    What a complete idiot you are. You don’t have to invade and conquer a nation to defeat it in a war. Do you also believe the United States didn’t defeat the British because it didn’t invade and conquer Britain? The alt-right is chock full of racist fools like you.

    The Haitian Revolution was a very significant event in the history of the American Continent. It was quite bloody too, with 200,000 blacks and 145,000 whites killed. It was a great boon for the newly independent United States for it forced Napoleon to abandon his ambitions in the Americas and sell off millions of acres to the US dirt cheap (the Louisiana Purchase).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Revolution

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Anon
  404. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    None of those mummies tested (from a single site btw) can be proven to be native Egyptian because the time period included numerous centuries after Egypt had been overrun by foreigners including Greeks and Romans.

    Nope, try again.

    Our genetic time transect suggests genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic,
    Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Abusir el-Meleq, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level.

    The Ancient Egyptians weren’t black.

  405. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    Do you also believe the United States didn’t defeat the British because it didn’t invade and conquer Britain?

    The Continental Army actually did defeat the British at Saratoga and Yorktown though. If 4/5ths of the British army had been dying of yellow fever and they decided to go home because of that, then it wouldn’t be correct to say they defeated the British.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  406. Bliss says:

    The Ancient Egyptians weren’t black.

    http://classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.mb.txt

    There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before
    I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself.
    After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both
    in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more
    distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of
    them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to
    be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded,
    first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair,
    which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations
    are so too; but further and more especially, on the circumstance that
    the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations
    who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.

    • Replies: @DFH
  407. @Twinkie

    I didn’t contradict you.

  408. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    So they had dark skin (at least relative to Greeks) and curly hair, like modern day Egyptians. And?

    The fact that you think the people in Egyptian art look black (although they do not to my eye) is irrelevant since we have actual genetic evidence showing that they were not black, even less so than modern Egyptians, but of the same race as modern Levantines.

    Please just try Igbo supremacism or talking about the wonders of the Kingdom of Kongo or 10,000 Ashanti beating an army of 200 British soldiers if you need to convince yourself that your race has achieved something worthwhile, it would be less embarassing than trying to claim another civilisation.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  409. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    If 4/5ths of the British army had been dying of yellow fever and they decided to go home because of that, then it wouldn’t be correct to say they defeated the British.

    Show us where you got that 4/5ths number from. The death rate from yellow fever could not have been that high. Europeans would not have colonized the Caribbean if it was killing most of them.

    The French and British exaggerated their numbers killed by yellow fever, probably because they needed an excuse for their humiliating loss of so many lives in the conflict. From the Wikipedia link in my post above:

    There has been considerable debate over whether the number of deaths caused by disease was exaggerated.[97]

    There has been considerable debate over whether the number of deaths caused by disease was exaggerated.[97]

    • Replies: @DFH
  410. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    According to the book in the very footnote you referenced, by November 1802 (using the more conservative estimates), of the 35,000 soldiers who initially went to St. Domingue 43% of French soldiers had died of Yellow Fever, 8% of other disease and 20% were in the hospital or convalescent. So 71% (slightly under 4/5, I will grant you, although the book states these are conservative estimates) had died of or were sick with Yellow Fever or another tropical disease.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  411. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    The fact that you think the people in Egyptian art look black (although they do not to my eye)

    You need your eyes checked if they look like levantines to you. No one ever compared the ancient Egyptians to levantines, fuggedabout europeans. The comparison was always to Ethiopians, which referred to peoples south of Egypt. Here’s Aristotle:

    https://archive.org/stream/worksofaristotle07arisuoft/worksofaristotle07arisuoft_djvu.txt

    Why are the Ethiopians and the Egyptians bandy-legged ? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry ? The condition of their hair too supports this theory ; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair.

    we have actual genetic evidence showing that they were not black, even less so than modern Egyptians, but of the same race as modern Levantines.

    If the ancient Egyptians were the same race as Levantines why didn’t any of the ancient Greeks ever notice that? Try and think rationally. There were levantines living in Egypt especially in the late period of that civilization. For example Hebrews were slaves in Egypt for many centuries. There must have been others as well. Perhaps that site was reserved for foreigners.

    On the other hand we know the Y-DNA of all the Egyptian Pharaohs of the Ramesside Period and it was E1b1a, which is african. Deal with it.

    it would be less embarassing than trying to claim another civilisation.

    Look in the mirror you shameless liar and tell that to yourself.

    • Replies: @DFH
  412. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    Use your damn brain you idiot. Why do you think those numbers are seen as suspiciously high?

    The whites were wildly exaggerating their numbers killed by disease. You can guess the reasons why.

    • Replies: @DFH
  413. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    You still have not dealt with the genetic data showing that the Ancient Egyptians were genetically less black even than current Egyptians, just so you know.

    Perhaps that site was reserved for foreigners.

    Literally no reason to think this apart from your own desperate ego-defence and coping. It was continuously inhabited even from predynastic times, was a religious site and place of burial since even the Old Kingdom and the genetic evidence shows no significant genetic discontinuity.

    On the other hand we know the Y-DNA of all the Egyptian Pharaohs of the Ramesside Period and it was E1b1a, which is african. Deal with it.

    It seems that it could have been E1b1b, which is typical of modern North Africans.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28269-Ramesses-III-belonged-to-haplogroup-E1b1a

    But even E1b1a is also found in modern frequencies in North Africa and West Asia, so it does not mean that they were black.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M2

    Other remains tested have typically West Asian and North African mtDNA and haplogroups

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt#Ancient_DNA

    Look in the mirror you shameless liar and tell that to yourself.

    I don’t believe that Ancient Egyptians are the same race as me, although they were more genetically similar to me than to you.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Bliss
  414. DFH says:
    @Bliss

    Actually if you read the page in the book, you will see that those are the non-exaggerated numbers.
    From page 180

    ‘The numbers do not fully sustain Leclerc’s constant refrain that yellow-fever single-handedly wiped out his army, but disease did kill or incapacitate at least 70 percent of all the forces sent to Saint-Domingue that year and left him with a force too small and demoralised to mount offensive operations until the arrival of a new batch of reinforcements in the winter’

    So it completely supports what I said originally (although 80% is too high, in fact it was only 70%).

    • Replies: @Talha
  415. @utu

    One would expect that there are huge samples available where both children and parents where IQ tested. Certainly the samples must be larger than samples of identical and fraternal twins yet it does not seem that anybody is doing it. Why? Probably because the scatter of point is so large that it yields the slope close to zero contradicting the IQist expectations and Cochran’s claims.

    Can you provide some links or offline titles to those huge samples?

    • Replies: @utu
  416. Dissident says:
    @AaronB

    You must remember America is primarily about business and taking things seriously. It doesn’t really have the intellectual refinement or spiritual depth to know how to play,

    You consider the type of wanton, dissolute, drunken debauchery that you have now repeatedly extolled and lamented the decline of, to be indicative of — or even consistent with– “intellectual refinement” and “spiritual depth”?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AaronB
  417. iffen says:
    @utu

    What is missing is the question of who is writing the scrips for us that determine our thinking and perception of what is happening around us?

    Oh, c’mon, don’t be coy, tell us.

  418. iffen says:
    @Bliss

    This ridiculous fool, Twinkie, Chieh all asian mongoloids who live in the South. Hmmm?

    Full familiarity with communities and political units with significant percentages of blacks? Hmmm?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  419. @AaronB

    You have, as usual, no idea what you are talking about. Kanban does not rise magically from a culture that doesn’t care about results.

    The ‘work hard, play hard” culture is more accurate. That said, alcohol use is dropping in Japan like everywhere else.

    https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/studies-show-japanese-people-drinking-less-than-ever

    • Replies: @AaronB
  420. @Dissident

    He increasingly ventures into outright lying, which is annoying.

  421. @iffen

    Blacks don’t even enjoy their own communities.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Bliss
  422. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    Ask the IQists. They’ve have everybody tagged in their families,

    • Replies: @utu
  423. AaronB says:
    @Dissident

    Of course. Don’t you?

    The more a culture extols hard work – takes life seriously and is trying to get somewhere – the less it has been able to penetrate the veils of maya, and thus the stupider and less spiritual it is.

    Aristocratic Europe was significantly more intelligent than America, and much more playful and unserious – and hence much more creative.

  424. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    You are right, unfortunately. The Japanese do work very hard, much too hard – which leads to the suicides we hear about. Hopefully that will pass away as it becomes post-Western.

    Japan isn’t perfect, and has not escaped damage from the West.

    But at the core of Japanese culture is the Buddhist sense that life is an illusion and a dream and in so many ways the Japanese even now take life less seriously than us – and are more humorous, quirky, eccentric, and weird as a result.

    And happier, and know better how to enjoy life.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  425. Okechukwu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/brett-kavanaugh-vote-live-stream-senate-confirmation-today-2018-10-06/

    yawns

    Brett Kavanaugh, who venerates Brown v Board of Education is an alt-right racist, huh? I believe his exact words were: “the single greatest moment in Supreme Court history.” He went on to say that the promise of that landmark decision remains unfulfilled.

    The attempt by alt-righters and toadying Asian wannabes to fold conservative thinkers into their movement has failed spectacularly. There is a vast gulf between conservatism and racism. There are even black conservative thinkers.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  426. Okechukwu says:
    @DFH

    They were very, very small British forces (in the low hundreds) plus native allies fighting against the entire mobilised Ashanti state (tens of thousands). The effort expanded by the Ashanti was huge, but the British were using only a negligible fraction of their resources.

    LOL. Every loser makes excuses for their defeat.

  427. Okechukwu says:
    @for-the-record

    the major cause of the 1st Ashanti War (1823-1831) was that the British were trying to eliminate the slave trade

    Ostensibly, yes. Sorta like WMD in Iraq.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  428. Okechukwu says:
    @German_reader

    The real Nazis wanted to destroy Russia. Karlin is a Russian nationalist (and a rather militant one in some ways), so he can’t be a Nazi.
    You should be more careful with using accurate terms.

    Is that so?

    Neo-Nazis on the March in Moscow

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/neo-nazis-on-the-march-in-moscow-we-russians-are-part-of-the-white-race-a-515380.html

    America’s neo-Nazis don’t look to Germany for inspiration. They look to Russia.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/08/22/americas-neo-nazis-dont-look-to-germany-for-inspiration-they-look-to-russia/?utm_term=.33c945d94c40

    UN Panel Urges Russia to Fight Racism by neo-Nazis, in Sports

    https://www.voanews.com/a/un-panal-urges-russia-to-fight-neo-nazis-in-sports/4004866.html

    Would you like more?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  429. @AaronB

    Could you translate the meaning of ganbaru for me? Or perhaps you’ll prefer not to think of it? You think this is an artifact of Western influence?

    You’re projecting a fiction of the world; I read a LOT of premodern history, and pre-Western contact, and although you pretend otherwise, this is in fact my culture. The idea that Asians, or really for that matter, any society could operate in even a vaguely effective way without taking things seriously is silly. Did the forty-seven ronin dismiss the death of their lord or did they plot, avenge him and then willingly die? What about the shogunate wars? What about skilled craftsmanship? Certainly they may have taken the notion of the spiritual world much more seriously versus the material world, but this meant being even more watchful of behavior since consequences were eternal and fighting even harder than just for material gain.

    Take, for example, how Lord Koxinga took his army upriver.

    They passed by two islands with ruins of temples, and the chief navigator told him that it was a place of deep magical power, where two dragons dwelled. They were said to be sensitive, so his army was not to bang gongs or fire cannons.

    Koxingia mocked this; in all his years of seagoing he had never seen demonic dragons and he said that if it was the Will of Heaven, why should even dragons stop him? So he told his troops make music as usual.

    Shortly afterward, the skies turned dark and thunder roared. Huge waves formed and masts were torn. Once again his men plead for him to intervene: “Your lordship is close to Heaven! Please pray to stop the wind and the waves!”

    Koxinga refused. “If the Will of Heaven is with us, what use it is for a man to beg and pray? If the Will of Heaven is against us, what use it is for a man to beg and pray?”

    The storm worsened. Again, his men begged him.

    He relented and went into the storm, bowed four times, and made some prayers. Eventually the storm relented. He found his navy and army scattered, gave a bitter laugh, and told them to bury the corpses and repair the ships. We will just try again next year, he said. Dragons will not stop us.

    He was fatalistic in some ways, but is there anything that shows someone who thought his goals were not worth suffering or fighting for? Or even going against “supernatural” forces(clearly he didn’t seem to care or believe)? Indeed, his overwhelming will was because he believed as he was fighting for the Emperor, he was serving the Will of Heaven, a spiritual concept that meant that he was going to ignore any material losses. And to bring about the Will of Heaven, even if it meant causing immense suffering, was a just and divine thing to do.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  430. @Okechukwu

    You’ve found a new tree to scrabble up on! Adorable. Justice Kavanaugh has been confirmed, your projections and predictions will fail, and you will continue to find new trees to scrabble up upon.

    What matters is that its a victory for us. Deal with it.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  431. Okechukwu says:
    @reiner Tor

    I don’t remember the exact article.

    Here’s a comment from a recent thread:

    My first encounter with Karlin was here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/sweden-no/

    It’s not I who starts flinging insults and invective.

  432. Okechukwu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    You’re a confirmed idiot, Uncle Wong.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  433. Okechukwu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Blacks don’t even enjoy their own communities.

    Oh, the Chinese really love their communities:

    How China Stays Stable Despite 500 Protests Every Day

    China saw 180,000 protests, riots, and mass demonstrations in 2010 alone — on average about 500 every day — a number that has likely since increased.

    That tradition goes back at least a decade, to a climax of labor movement protests in spring 2002. In the steel city of Liaoyang that May, thousands of workers massed in protest. Corrupt local officials had siphoned small fortunes out of the town’s factories, forcing many of them to shut down and send their workers home without their pensions, which the officials had also plundered. Liaoyang’s problems then, like Wukan’s today, were not atypical: the national movement toward privatization had given party officials special access, allowing them to get rich overnight as part of a new and burgeoning crony capitalist class while powerless workers went hungry.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/how-china-stays-stable-despite-500-protests-every-day/250940/

    Of course Uncle Wong here would have us all believe that China is a font of Confucian serenity.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  434. @Okechukwu

    Using your tactic: “attack presumed in-group in order to elicit emotional reaction.”

    You are almost hilariously predictable, but then again, stupid people usually are.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  435. Okechukwu says:
    @DFH

    You still have not dealt with the genetic data showing that the Ancient Egyptians were genetically less black even than current Egyptians, just so you know.

    This is tantamount to trying to ascertain the ancestry of Ancient Americans by studying post-colonial specimens. The researchers themselves are rather less sanguine about the conclusions you are trying to attribute to them.

    there is evidence for foreign influence at Abusir el-Meleq. Individuals with Greek, Latin and Hebrew names are known to have lived at the site and several coffins found at the cemetery used Greek portrait image and adapted Greek statue types to suit ‘Egyptian’ burial practices

    we note that all our genetic data were obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt. It is possible that populations in the south of Egypt were more closely related to those of Nubia and had a higher sub-Saharan genetic component, in which case the argument for an influx of sub-Saharan ancestries after the Roman Period might only be partially valid and have to be nuanced.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

    • Replies: @DFH
  436. Okechukwu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Using your tactic: “attack presumed in-group in order to elicit emotional reaction.”

    Further confirmation of your idiocy. I don’t attack anyone. My comments are defensive and reactive.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
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  437. @Okechukwu

    Yes, I agree, the low impulse control(defensiveness) and lack of proactive insight(reactivity) are both quite evident. Thanks for the admission!

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  438. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    You’re not entirely wrong, but as always its a bit a more complex.

    Yes, obviously there is a side to Asian culture that is about maximum effort to achieve a goal. As you mentioned, the Japanese have a word for it, which they use a lot.

    However, at the core of Asian culture there is this sense that the world is an illusion, a magic show, and this sense spreads itself throughout the culture and has perhaps some paradoxical implications.

    For instance, the Japanese ability to throw themselves entirely into an activity without an ounce held in reserve comes from this sense that life doesn’t really “matter” in the dreary Western sense.

    In fact, this was a carefully cultivated approach that came from Zen – you were supposed to have no goal and to act spontaneously, to plunge right in with nothing held back.

    As you know, Asian culture doesn’t believe in duality – so that believing that nothing is serious might free you to devote your entire being to something isn’t seen as quite so paradoxical as is the case with us, and there is an obvious element of play in everything.

    It is precisely because you are not really serious about the outcome that you can give it your all. If you seriously cared you’d have all sorts of doubts and reservations.

    As for hard work, you remember the quote Anatoly provided of a Japanese guy early last century saying the Japanese probably will never be rich because they are a happy people and can’t be bothered with making the effort.

    Well, that changed. But traditional Asian culture does not value continuous unceasing hard work as a way of life like the modern West has come to do, because traditional Asian culture did not see the goal of life to transform humanity or the world or to “get” anywhere.

    In fact, they did not think life had any goal. It just is. So while “gambatte” may be encouraged in some particular limited endeavor, and mat even paradoxically benefit from the sense that life is an illusion, this did not translate into hard work as a way of life, which only makes sense if you believe in Progress.

    You say you are very connected to traditional Asian culture, Daniel, but you believe in Progress and world transformation through technology, and you tend to think in exclusively dualistic categories rather than appreciating the often surprising unity that underlies all opposites – but thinking dualistically implies a vision of Progress necessarily, because you see yourself as an isolated fragment who must “develop” himself, rather than inextricably bound up with the whole world and thus in no need of getting anywhere.

    So you seem to have a classically Western world view – its not an “evil” world view, it just involves much pointless anxiety and suffering for you and others, and is based on a failure to pierce the veil of maya.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  439. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Look in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan (the most secular Muslim countries).

    They became good countries.

    I have not been to either. But my parents visited Baku, and talk about it like it is a paradise.

    And Kazakhstan today is equivalent of one of the more civilized regions of the former Soviet Union, and with unusually tolerant relations between different nationalities.

  440. Okechukwu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Yes, I agree, the low impulse control(defensiveness) and lack of proactive insight(reactivity) are both quite evident. Thanks for the admission!

    Gee, a country of 1.4 billion people that has probably aborted another 1.4 billion isn’t exactly an exemplar of impulse control.

    Perhaps your countrymen can demonstrate their vaunted “impulse control” by desisting from butchering and eating cats and dogs (and everything else that moves).

    They might even find a positive impulse that dissuades them from driving important animals to extinction in their everlasting quest for sexual gratification.

    Extinction By Traditional Chinese Medicine – An Environmental Disaster

    An epidemic of poaching is sweeping the world (Nature Conservancy) fueled by the rising rich of China and Asia. Endangered species are being killed at an increasing rate for the sole crime of being the core of bizarre cultural traditions. Caught in this frenzy of nasty rituals are animals like the rhinoceros, which as a species may not be long for this world.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/08/08/extinction-by-traditional-chinese-medicine-an-environmental-disaster/#2e01830b5bd3

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  441. Dmitry says:
    @Okechukwu

    This is an old article (2007), about the Russian march, in which Navalny was one of the leaders.

    Russian march was not only Nazis, even in the early days. It included also quite moderate (although eccentric) Orthodox nationalist like Karlin’s friend (or translatee) Kholmogorov.

    Putin destroyed most neo-Nazis, people like Belov were placed in prison. In the Russian march itself, was hijacked from more extreme elements, by “anti-fascist” groups like Nashi (government funded youth movement), before finally was considered too much trouble for the authorities, banned – and nowadays not allowed to call marches on this day, “Russian march”.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  442. utu says:
    @utu

    I found something in Wiki (IQ Heritability). They cite the following results of correlations:

    Parent-child—Living together .42
    Parent-child—Living apart .22

    Do not know the original source and how big were the samples. The correlation is slope after you normalize Y and X data thus so it represents heritability in the narrow sense as it appears in the breeder’s equation. It is much higher than I expected but lower than twin studies. So I was wrong thinking it would be close to zero. Still I find it strange why this approach is not used.

    This is a good illustration that heritability depends on environment. In a society where all children would be adopted (random swap at birth) the narrow sense heritability is 22% and in society where children are raised by biological parents the heritability is 42%. A good example that heritability is society dependent. One could try to make an argument that 42% heritability must include an environment component as if parents environment was heritable. Which would be rather strange.

    Frankly, I do not know what to make out of these two numbers.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  443. @AaronB

    No, you’re confusing the general lack of evangelical belief with a total lack of belief in progress. This is a classic story, probably every Chinese child has heard it:

    Old Man Yu Gong of the North Mountain was about ninety years old and he lived in a house facing the mountains. He did not like the mountains blocking his way and making him go up and down or around the mountains when he left home. One day, he asked his families to come together and said to them, “You and I shall set to work with all our strength and level the mountains so that we may have a path leading straight outside and reaching clear to the northern bank of the Han River. What do you say?” The family agreed, but his wife was worried, “With your strength, you can’t even do anything with a little hill. How can you move the two great mountains away? Besides, where are you going to put away all the rocks and soil?” The Old Man said, “We can throw them into the end of the Bohai Sea and the north of Yintu (Siberia).”

    He then led three of his children and grandchildren, who could carry loads, chip the rocks and shovel the soil, and carried them in baskets to the end of the Bohai Sea. An orphan boy of the neighbor’s widow, who had just shed his milk teeth, jumped along and came to help them and returned home once a season. The Wise Man of nearby laughed at the Old Man and tried to stop him, saying, “What a fool you are! With all the strength and years left for you, you can’t even scratch the surface of this mountain. What can you do about the rocks and soil?” Old Man YU Gong drew a deep sigh and said, “Your mind is so blocked up that you cannot think straight. I cannot achieve my will definitely, but when I die, there will be my children to carry on the work, and the children will have grandchildren, and the grandchildren will again have children. So my children and grandchildren are endless, while the mountains cannot grow bigger in size. Why shouldn’t they be leveled some day?” The Wise Man could not make any reply.

    Now the Mountain God heard about, the Old Man was worried that the leveling of the mountains would not cease, and then went to speak to God. God was touched by the Old Man’s sincerity of heart and ordered the two of his sons to carry the two mountains and placed one in Shuodong and one in Yongna. From then on, the south of Jizhou and north of the Han River became level ground, and the spirit of the Old Man Yu Gong has been passing down.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Foolish_Old_Man_Removes_the_Mountains

    Man defies the gods themselves through hard work. This is classically seen as the story of how the terraced farms came about – multiple generations ultimately terraforming entire mountains into paddies. This is also a typical collectivist fable.

    Historically, Asian civilizations generally lacked evangelical beliefs – the idea to go and change the entire world through saving souls, etc. The idea of capital transformation, that the world could be better if a canal was built or a wall was built, was very common and enormous efforts were put into it.

    Monism/dualism really has nothing to do with this. Whether you believe the world as a dream or not, you still exist in it and you do what you can in it. There is a lot of focus on paradox and questioning, but you’re taking your LSD inspiration much too far. The point of life for most of them was to make things a little better for their children, or often to “live your place” in the world as well as possible(where it fits with ganbaru ).

    The differences between premodern Asian and European culture are simply one of priority. To use Koxinga again, after he defeated the Dutch, his Chinese entourage wanted him to invest into rebuilding Taiwan and stabilizing food production – a view for progress but very local. His European supporters, of which he had a few, wanted him to immediately organize for the invasion of the Philippines because if the Dutch could not win, then the Spanish would do so much worse in their opinion. They wanted to create an empire of some sort, before the army dispersed.

    This was a priority difference, but not one of essence. The Chinese were building for his invasion plans when he died, and I doubt the Europeans thought letting people starve was a great overall plan either.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Bliss
  444. Okechukwu says:
    @Dmitry

    Putin destroyed most neo-Nazis, people like Belov were placed in prison. In the Russian march itself, was hijacked from more extreme elements, by “anti-fascist” groups like Nashi (government funded youth movement), before finally was considered too much trouble for the authorities, banned – and nowadays not allowed to call marches on this day, “Russian march”.

    I am aware. I’m also aware of Nashi. I’m also aware that the Russian criminal code contains specific anti-racism and anti-xenophobia statutes. I was merely refuting the notion that because Russia fought Nazis, Nazism couldn’t germinate there. Obviously there are neo-Nazis in Russia.

  445. Talha says:
    @DFH

    This is actually a great point here and also refutes the dogmatic approach to putting-all-one’s-eggs in the IQ basket.

    Given any particular situation a variety of traits and adaptations, such as one side’s resilience to disease, can win the day.

    My boys and I had fun watching this short documentary about an adaptation in a species of desert mouse that allows it to completely ignore the effects of scorpion poison – just watch that little guy get stung like 20 times (in the face!!!) while chowing down on that scorpion:

    Survival of the fittest never fits nice and neatly in the box we want to put it in.

    Peace.

  446. Talha says:
    @dfordoom

    That’s a feature, not a bug.

    Somebody’s been paying attention! :)

    Peace.

  447. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Do you live in Chinatown?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  448. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I would not locate the difference in merely whether one wants to evangelize, but in the character and scope of the work.

    Of course traditional Asian culture values improvements to a local situation (although some strands did not emphasize improvements even), but this isn’t Progress towards Utopia – messianic Progress, where life has a purpose and meaning that will be realized in some far off distant event, that we must all work towards unceasingly. This idea cones from Christianity.

    Defying the Gods is heroic, but seeing yourself as part of nature and working with it not defying it seems much more conducive to genuine happiness and the good life, and much more in line with the reality of our situation, which is that we are inextricably bound up with everything else and there is nothing really for us to “conquer”.

    I agree that pre-modern West and East were not that dissimilar.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  449. @Bliss

    I lived in China for quite some time, actually, and am planning on moving there. My initial hope was to move there this month, but I received a pretty ridiculous opportunity(in the millions!) here so I’m going to put it off for a bit.

    I don’t have rose-colored glasses in terms of Chinese society; it has plenty of issues. Its nowhere as bad as black ghetto communities, though. I’m quite worldly and have had friends of all races, believe it or not, so my knowledge of their issues isn’t simply assumptions.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  450. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    This is also a typical collectivist fable.

    So the Chinese were communists long before Mao? Interesting.

    The idea of capital transformation, that the world could be better if a canal was built or a wall was built, was very common and enormous efforts were put into it.

    You make it sound like the Great Wall and the Great Canal were products of a “collectivist”, communal mentality that was “very common”. The reality says you are nothing but a bullshit artist painting false rosy pictures:

    http://www.chinatravellers.com/Artcle_Show.asp?id=167

    Who built the Great Wall of China?
    Millions of the people constructed the Great Wall. The labor force to build the Great Wall includes workers, soldiers, forcibly recruited peasants, slaves, convicts and war prisoners.

    https://blog.radissonblu.com/11-fun-facts-about-the-great-wall/

    The Great Wall was built by slaves, peasants, guards, unemployed citizens or prisoners. Being forced to work on the wall used to be a punishment for convicted criminals…….It is called the biggest graveyard in the world. Archaeologists estimate that close to a million people died when building the Wall and they have even found human remains buried under parts of the wall.

    • Agree: Okechukwu
  451. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    You are avoiding my question: do you currently live in Chinatown? Why not?

    It says a lot about you that it took “millions” of dollars to pry you away from living amongst the Laowai and move back to the Han motherland.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  452. @AaronB

    There is datong, so utopian views are not unheard of in Chinese society. However, yes, its generally much more subtle and much focused on smaller improvements.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Unity

    I’m agnostic about what’s “best.” That can change with time and circumstance; I just wanted to establish that the differentiation you indicated is nowhere as extreme.

  453. DFH says:
    @Okechukwu

    This is tantamount to trying to ascertain the ancestry of Ancient Americans by studying post-colonial specimens.

    It’s not, since there is continuous genetic evidence showing no substantial genetic change.

    The researchers themselves are rather less sanguine about the conclusions you are trying to attribute to them.

    Nope, they say the Egyptians there were the same before and after foreign conquest.

    Our genetic time transect suggests genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Abusir el-Meleq, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level.

    I expect that the Egyptians further up the Nile had more sub-Saharan admixture, and those in the Delta less. But the site is in Middle Egypt, the heartland of Egyptian culture.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  454. @Bliss

    Collectivism is obviously an East Asian thing. Its specifically a reference to rice farming terraces(tearing up mountains), which was far before Communism:

    Anyway, yes, the corvee was used for the Great Wall but that’s also exaggerated from your very dubious sources. The corvee part was basically used by Qin and they really used it almost as much as a way to kill Chu rebels as they actually intended to build anything; in reality, much like anything else, to actually get something of quality you need to have skill and not just forced labor(which has every reason to sabotage their labor). Qin legalism quite resembles fascism in many ways, though, so there is that. It didn’t last long.

    The more functional Great Wall, the one we recognize, was built by later dynasties mostly not using corvee labor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Great_Wall_of_China

    Anyway, the walls that I was referring to were the innumerable walls that every single city in China threw up:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_city_wall

    There is no real city in Northern China without a surrounding wall, a condition which, indeed, is expressed by the fact that the Chinese use the same word Ch’eng for a city and a city wall: for there is no such thing as a city without a wall. It is just as inconceivable as a house without a roof. It matters little how large, important, and well ordered a settlement may be; if not properly defined and enclosed by walls, it is not a city in the traditional Chinese sense.

    In fact, sometimes even market squares had their own walls. It has been seen sometimes as a symbol of a “siege mentality.”

    • Replies: @utu
  455. @Bliss

    You read me wrong: it took millions(in the contract deal, not my salary, though I’ll get a big chunk of that) to get me to stay.

    And no, I actually wanted to but my wife quite preferred a place in the country and I don’t have huge objections to it. So I live more or less in the boonies, but not too far from a SWPL city. Its pretty ideal.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  456. @Bliss

    You make it sound like the Great Wall and the Great Canal were products of a “collectivist”, communal mentality that was “very common”

    Just weird that you’re spazzing about that, though I’ll add to it. Its not just singular “wonders” regardless of how they were built. The idea of public works being beneficial/financially desirable was just indeed common idea:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_canals_in_China

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shudao

    Plus the city walls and various bridges, and so on. The point simply is that the notion that capital investment can lead to future returns was not unheard of, which is hardly a difficult concept. Its a form of “progress.” Plus, once constructed, its not like such works are just “done.” They had to be maintained over hundreds of years, and this were done, sometimes at significant cost(such as to clear canals as silt buildup happened).

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Bliss
  457. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Most massive public or “prestige” projects in the past (certainly ancient era and less so in the medieval era) employed a significant (if not majority) amount of slave labor (or some practical equivalent like indentured servants, labor as punishment, etc.) – this was fairly universal across all cultures.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  458. Bliss says:
    @DFH

    You still have not dealt with the genetic data showing that the Ancient Egyptians were genetically less black even than current Egyptians

    Don’t lie so much. I already wrote that that single site from which such ridiculous conclusions are drawn, contradicting all the other evidence, could be a part of that late period of the Egyptian civilization when there were levantines and others living in Egypt as slaves, immigrants etc. Anyone with a clue about history knows that Egypt was repeatedly overrun by foreigners: Hyksos, Greeks, Persians, Romans, Arabs, Turks and the numerous European slaves they imported into Egypt.

    You on the other hand are avoiding this question: why would the Greek historians and philosophers lie about the race of the Egyptians? Why did they always compare Egyptians to Ethiopians and not to Levantines, Persians, Arabs, Anatolians, Greeks etc?

  459. @Okechukwu

    Ostensibly, yes. Sorta like WMD in Iraq.

    Big difference though: the WMD were a fiction, the Ashanti slave trading was not.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Okechukwu
  460. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    In other words you didn’t want to live in Chinatown. Yet you have the nerve to point fingers at others. Shameless hypocrite….

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  461. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    In China, Personality Could Come Down to Rice Versus Wheat

    http://time.com/92627/in-china-personality-could-come-down-to-rice-versus-wheat/

    The northern Chinese tested as more individualistic and analytic—similar to Westerners—while southerners were more interdependent, holistic-thinking and more loyal to their friends. (Analytic thinkers prefer to use abstract categories, while holistic thinkers focus on relationships.) “The differences fell along that rice-wheat border,” says Talhelm.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  462. Okechukwu says:
    @DFH

    It’s not, since there is continuous genetic evidence showing no substantial genetic change.

    I suggest you read the researchers’ own caveats and disclaimers. How many Comanche specimens are you going to find in Texas 2000 years from now?

    Nope, they say the Egyptians there were the same before and after foreign conquest.

    They didn’t, wouldn’t and couldn’t say that.

    I expect that the Egyptians further up the Nile had more sub-Saharan admixture, and those in the Delta less. But the site is in Middle Egypt, the heartland of Egyptian culture.

    Egyptians typically fled south into Upper Egypt to avoid invading foreigners. This gentleman breaks it down for you:

    • Replies: @DFH
  463. @utu

    Correct. It’s closely associated with rice farming.

  464. @Bliss

    Reading comprehension is not your strong skill.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  465. @Talha

    To use disposable slaves, you need a source. For the Qin, they had just conquered China so they had a lot of people to kill. Later dynasties didn’t have that luxury. It’s not like Rome which regularly kept up successful invasions to get more labor.

    You can look it up. It basically was a very small percentage even by the Three Kingdom era.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China

  466. utu says:
    @for-the-record

    And human sacrifices which was linked to slavery. see #357 above.

    E.g.: 4,000 wer sacrificed for the death of the king mother.

    And it was not that British wanted to eradicate Ashanti slavery practices and launched some punitive expedition on the civilizing mission. British did not care and did not have any plans for this place and were considering a withdrawal but while they were still there and have control of the coast they were not giving access to sea ports to Ashanti so Ashanti couldn’t export their slaves. That’s why Ashanti were attacking British.

    Also what is interesting that Ashanti could not comprehend any moral argument against slavery.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  467. Okechukwu says:
    @for-the-record

    Big difference though: the WMD were a fiction, the Ashanti slave trading was not.

    Britain’s allies, the Fante, were some of the biggest slavers in Africa.

  468. DFH says:
    @Okechukwu

    They didn’t, wouldn’t and couldn’t say that.

    How many times do I need to quote the same passage to you?

    Our genetic time transect suggests genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Abusir el-Meleq, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  469. Talha says:

    To use disposable slaves, you need a source.

    Correct – which is why the cathedrals in Europe were built often with sophisticated machines and often took hundreds of years since Christianity had eliminated a lot of slavery within Christian society and heathen sources were steadily dwindling. Serfs are another matter, of course.

    For the Qin, they had just conquered China so they had a lot of people to kill.

    Target rich environment.

    It basically was a very small percentage even by the Three Kingdom era.

    That makes sense given the more insular view of Sino-civilization. Of course, this ratio went up as they were invaded by Mongols and Manchus eventually, as your link mentions.

    Peace.

  470. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    No, I totally comprehend your mindset despite your sneakiness (is that genetic?). It was funny how you avoided mentioning Chinatown. And obscene how you blamed your wife for dragging you away from that unmentionable place. Lol. Who the fuck do you think are fooling?

    Did you live in Chinatown before you got married?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  471. Okechukwu says:
    @DFH

    Our genetic time transect suggests genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Abusir el-Meleq, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level.

    That’s impossible to determine. There are just traces of Native American ancestry in the United States after just a few hundred years. Ancient Egypt was ancient even to to the Ptolemies.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @DFH
  472. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Just weird that you’re spazzing about that

    Nah, what’s funny is how a single post exposing your lies has got you spazzing out. Why did you think you would be allowed to bullshit so shamelessly? Very stupid of you.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  473. @Bliss

    China is a much, much larger “Chinatown.”

    You have no idea what you’re talking about, silly rage and accusations aside. Anyway, yes, I did grow up in one. One of the nicer, high-income communities there, actually – though it does have frustrating elements. I spend a huge amount of my time in ones here even now.

    Later in life, you move to where you work, really. Pretty simple.

    Actually, you might not know that. I snicker.

  474. Talha says:
    @Okechukwu

    I honestly don’t have a dog in this fight, but I find it very, very hard to believe that one can simply draw conclusions from genetic testing of just from the time of Ramses. Egyptian civilization is old – very old. I’ve been to Egypt, went through parts of Cairo (mostly because I am far more interested in the Islamic history of that ancient city) and visited some museums.

    If anyone has seen the reliefs of many of the Egyptian rulers from the Old Kingdom – which predates men like Ramses by a thousand years or more – it is very hard to dismiss the obvious big lips and wide nose and rounder face.

    Do we have any genetic testing for someone like Djoser or Huni or Khufu? Because those are some of the Blackest looking non-Blacks I have ever seen.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Okechukwu
    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
  475. @Bliss

    Once again, reading comprehension is not your strong skill. Nor, does it seem, theory of mind.

  476. Okechukwu says:
    @utu

    Also what is interesting that Ashanti could not comprehend any moral argument against slavery.

    Most Americans couldn’t comprehend any moral arguments against slavery either. Abolitionism was a radical idea that was well out of the mainstream.

  477. utu says:

    Most Americans couldn’t comprehend any moral arguments against slavery either.

    Not true. The discourse was on moral level on both sides. The pro slavely were fending off abolitionist arguments stemming form New Testament with argument from Old Testament. The arguments were never pragmatic but trying to find the line dividing right from wrong.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  478. Okechukwu says:
    @utu

    Not true. The discourse was on moral level on both sides. The pro slavely were fending off abolitionist arguments stemming form New Testament with argument from Old Testament. The arguments were never pragmatic but trying to find the line dividing right from wrong.

    The bible was irrelevant to the discourse. The idea of slavery was deemed just and right, particularly as the enslaved were “inferior” people. This was the position held by the overwhelming majority of Americans. Abolitionists were considered a lunatic fringe. And even among abolitionists, there were those who didn’t perceive a moral imperative in ending slavery but rather an economic necessity. In much the same way, we don’t want to compete against slave labor in China.

    Although slavery was the root cause of the civil war, an objection to it based on moral grounds wasn’t what animated the conflict. As an astute politician, Lincoln never made a moral argument against slavery because he knew it wouldn’t work. Instead he spoke to keeping the country together, which would be made all the more difficult if slavery was allowed to expand. He never even spoke about ending slavery until he was in position to do it, because he knew that wouldn’t work.

    • Replies: @utu
  479. utu says:
    @Okechukwu

    I said that the discourse was on a moral plane. I did not say that it was always in good faith and that it was not hypocritical. But even if it was hypocritical it was still a good sign according to the saying: “Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue.” This saying reaffirms an important fact that the idealism in our civilization recognizes the supremacy of moral discourse over the ‘might makes right” discourse while the Ashanti apparently had no clue when presented with a moral argument.

    Now get lost. You interjected into the comment that was not intended for you.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  480. Twinkie says:

    Ignore the imbeciles. They get off on trolling and add nothing intelligent.

  481. Okechukwu says:
    @utu

    Stop embarrassing yourself. You’re treading on territory you know nothing about. Stick to the history of whatever Central or Eastern European country you fled from and leave American history to the Americans.

    You do realize that half the country fought to preserve slavery, right? And the other half fought not to end slavery but to keep that half from seceding. Lincoln skillfully hammered through emancipation when he became all-powerful on account of the war. The powerful federal government we have today is Lincoln’s creation. There was never anything resembling a consensus based on principles of morality that slavery should end. If you had told the average Union soldier that he was fighting to end slavery, he would’ve thrown down his weapons and gone home.

    This saying reaffirms an important fact that the idealism in our civilization recognizes the supremacy of moral discourse over the ‘might makes right” discourse while the Ashanti apparently had no clue when presented with a moral argument.

    The Ashanti practiced a more moral form of slavery than the Americans, albeit some were sacrificed upon their owner’s death. African slaves were never chattel, nor were they dehumanized. They could be adopted into the tribe and marry into their owner’s families. There was no generational slavery, as the children of slaves were born free. Dispense with the notion that morality is a wholly European construct. Some of the most immoral people to ever walk the planet have been Europeans.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @iffen
  482. utu says:
    @Okechukwu

    Where do you get this ability to lie and confabulate with such an ease? I know that you are doing it for the self perceived tribal cause so you think you can disregard universal rules. But you are doing more harm than good for this cause. This kind of behavior really disqualifies you. You are not an honorable person. You do not belong to the cultural code of civilized people. Civilized society can’t go on when we violated trust as blatantly as you do. I could not shake your hand if I met you in person just like I do not shake hand of some car dealers I sometimes have a misfortune to interact.

    You know nothing about Ashanti slavery and their human sacrifices practice yet you come up with all kinds of apologia and sophistry. You know nothing about their belief system and moral values in 19 century. And you will never know because they haven’t put anything in writing. All what you will ever know is what was written by Europeans about Ashanti. Tough luck.

    I told you already once, get lost.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  483. DFH says:
    @Okechukwu

    There’s no reason to think that there was ever such a complete population replacement in Egypt though. There was cultural and linguistic continuity in Middle Egypt for thousands of years. The site of Abusir was continuously inhabited. If the native population had been black, then they would have left a much more significant admixture than is in fact found. Furthermore the earliest specimens go back to 1388 BC, before Middle Egypt had been conquered by foreigners, yet as the researchers say, there is no discontinuity with the people hundreds of years later.

    You are just desperately grasping for something to save the black egyptian hypothesis.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  484. iffen says:
    @Okechukwu

    African slaves were never chattel

    Well, some people say Africans don’t understand economics.

  485. Dissident says:
    @Twinkie

    When you engage in coarse and uncivilized language, though, you don’t just insult the target – you debase yourself… and your society, which you want to rescue from those who want to destroy civilization.

    Let me go on record as agreeing with the above statement of Twinkie’s as well as the similar sentiments that have been expressed by others in this thread.

    Whether it be crude racial, ethnic, religious or national slurs; spiteful remarks about the bodily appearance or rumored sexual proclivities of an individual; or any other similarly gratuitous, ad hominem insults, indulging in such unseemly behavior only lessens one’s credibility. It makes one appear uncivilized, petty, unsavory and nasty. And it detracts and distracts from whatever valid, substantive arguments and objections that one may have to present, thereby further serving to bolster one’s opponent.

    Leave the tawdry, the vulgar and the adolescent to the Cult-Marx/ SJW vermin and the sanctimonious Goodwhites. Let them continue to wallow in such filth. (Along with their “pussy-hated” marchers; their foul-mouthed harridans; and the spectacle that even their daughters are now subjected-to the indignities and dangers of the vile acts that they worked to normalize.)

    • Agree: Talha, dfordoom
  486. Dissident says:
    @German_reader

    Thank you, GR, for that thoughtful, intelligent and well-reasoned reply.

    While recently going through my comment history in search of something particular that I wished to now recycle, I came across a past statement of mine that I find apropos here (specifically, to the comment of yours in this thread that I had initially replied-to). I have copied it below.

    Yep, that’s today’s Respectables: Hysterical and tyrannical about phantom menaces, while actively promoting real ones.

  487. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    The nascent US can be proud of having forced the surrender of several British expeditionary forces, but let’s be real, the US at that time was not remotely close to being comparable as a military power to the British Empire– come on, we even lost when we tried to invade Canada, which was barely defended at all.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  488. Okechukwu says:
    @utu

    I take it you’re posting from a psychiatric institution.

  489. Talha says:
    @iffen

    I think that as a civic nationalist, a concept that appeals to me

    It is pretty cool when Americans get along:

    I didn’t think that your characterization of Bliss as an imbecile was accurate

    It’s interesting. If you’ve paid attention to my interactions with Bliss then you’ll notice that she is constantly insulting and disparaging me, misconstruing my words, etc. The funny thing is that, while others seem to be associating that to being Black, I have not come to that kind of conclusion. I’ve dealt with plenty of Black people before and they don’t act like this (now granted, many of my interactions have been with other Muslims that are Black, so maybe my experience is skewed). Actually, the behavior jives and correlates with far more with Left-liberal conduct. When I shared with others on MT that one of the most hostile people that I have dealt with online on the subject of Islam was a Black woman, plenty were shocked since this is kind of unexpected. However, much of her conduct has been very close to what I’ve seen from White Left-liberal females when I’ve interacted with them regarding Islam. In fact, a Black sister (who is both traditional and a community activist) was just recently stating how White Left-liberal females are some of the first to pounce on her if she expresses traditional views about patriarchy being the norm, views about modesty, etc.

    TLDR; the conduct I see at play has far more to do with being on the far end of the Left-liberal spectrum than on the far end of the melanin spectrum.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Okechukwu
    , @Bliss
  490. iffen says:
    @Talha

    the behavior jives

    Cultural/linguistic appropriation alert! :)

    I have decided that I should cast no more stones in this alley fight, and I’m definitely not in a position to cast the first one. (Is that in your Bible?)

    It is hard to not appreciate the wisdom of comment #503.

    I’ve worked closely with blacks since 1967. When I retired, I was the only white in my work unit.

    Anecdotally, I learned that blacks are just like whites except that they are black.

    I just don’t get worked up over this Afrocentric stuff. Just like I don’t get worked up over who the rightful heir is to Kievan Rus.

    • Replies: @Talha
  491. Okechukwu says:
    @DFH

    You are just desperately grasping for something to save the black egyptian hypothesis.

    I don’t care about a black Egyptian hypothesis. I do care about the truth. Only the ruling elites mummified their remains. Similarly, over the centuries, the graves of English commoners have been lost to time. But all the remains of English royalty are perfectly preserved in their tombs. The specimens from Abusir el-Meleq correspond with a time when Egypt was under foreign rule. And only those foreign rulers would have left behind mummified remains.

    Does Queen Tiye look like a white woman or a black woman?

    This bust is the Ancient Egyptian equivalent of what we today would call a photograph. All her natural features are rendered, including her black skin and afro.

    A few weeks ago we went to the King Tut: Treasures of the Golden Pharaoh Exhibit. There is this initial shock in realizing how incredibly advanced and sophisticated these people were. It’s all well and good to see pictures. But to see it live, up-close, is somewhat jarring. In a number of areas and by a very wide margin, they were more advanced and more sophisticated than people who would come after them thousands of years later.

    When I look at Tut I see someone with black African features, which, by the way, correlates with every single image of him.

    Tut was the grandson of the black woman Queen Tiye. He himself is consistently depicted as a black man. What else do you need?

    I would like to see a rigorous examination by credible scientists of the DNA Tribes materials. As you may know, DNA Tribes attributed mostly black African ancestry to the Amarna mummies. Although their conclusions correspond with most of the paintings and statues, it remains a subject of dispute because they used a proprietary STR profile analysis technique and because they sell DNA kits.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  492. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Is that in your Bible?

    No, though I’m not sure all Christians are confident that it is even part of the Bible to be honest:
    “The Roman Catholic Church requires this story to be considered Scripture, and Protestants have not broken with that tradition, even though it is missing from the earliest and most reliable manuscripts. During the 5th century, the church was sorting out what, exactly, should be in the canon of inspired Scripture. Pericope adulterae, as it is known, first appears in a Greek text during this period, although it is alluded to by Greek writers as early as the 2nd century.
    Many scholars agree that the verses are not original to John’s Gospel, pointing out that the story interrupts the flow of the verses that come before and after. ”

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/aprilweb-only/without-sin-cast-first-stone.html

    But the spirit of the story is a good one – don’t be a hypocrite. In that point, yes, the Qur’an condemns hypocrisy very harshly:
    “O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do? It is most hateful in the sight of God that you should say that which you do not do.” (61:2-3)

    I just don’t get worked up over this Afrocentric stuff. Just like I don’t get worked up over who the rightful heir is to Kievan Rus.

    Well stated, well played.

    Cultural/linguistic appropriation alert!

    Man, cultural appropriation comes naturally to us! Shaykh Joe says he’s going to get one of these to wear at the next Eid khutbah he gives:

    I don’t know why people get worked up over it – I wear other culture’s stuff all the time – one of my all-time favorite thobes is one from Morocco (I love the hood they have in the back). Oh and my all time favorite outer garment is the Turkish Jubba:

    https://shukronline.com/men/jubbas/turkish-jubba.html

    Though this is a close second for obvious reasons: ;)

    https://shukronline.com/men/jubbas/talha-jubba.html

    And I love it when people from other cultures sometimes wear Pakistani/Indian clothes:

    Hello, Dapper Dan!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  493. Okechukwu says:
    @Talha

    Most Americans haven’t had any real interactions with Muslims. Oftentimes they’re shocked when I tell them of my own experiences with Muslims. These interactions cross many national and ethnic lines. Therefore I must assume that the one common denominator is their religion Islam.

    I have never witnessed a Muslim yelling and screaming. I don’t know how they do it. The world could be ending tomorrow and they would remain calm and serene. I have been in many tight and stressful business situations with Muslims. Even if I’m yelling and screaming, they remain calm. Always.

    Muslims are incredibly kind and hospitable, almost to a fault. The fault lies in their unwillingness to convey less than positive news, which many people interpret as lying or dishonesty. I did too until I learned that it was out of kindness, saving their face and not wanting to cause discomfort on the part of their interlocutor. So a Muslim will say, “yes, I have the contract in my hand. You will get it tomorrow.” Of course there is no contract. He just couldn’t bring himself to say that. As you can imagine, this kind of prevarication, while well intentioned, isn’t conducive to business success. One has to learn about these predispositions and take steps to mitigate them. I remember watching a documentary on the Arab/Isreali war of 1967. This character trait led to disastrous consequences in that war. The Arab armies, not wanting to convey bad news, were simply lying to each other. As a consequence, all the moves their armies made were based on lies.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Talha
  494. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Okechukwu

    I have never witnessed a Muslim yelling and screaming. I don’t know how they do it.

    #MuslimsArePeopleToo

    • Agree: Talha
  495. Talha says:
    @Okechukwu

    I’m really glad you have come across Muslims with good character. I wish this was true for all Muslims, but we have plenty that behave horribly.

    The world could be ending tomorrow and they would remain calm and serene

    Perhaps your interactions have been with the older generation of Muslims. This resignation and contentment with the Divine will is something that I have even noticed is becoming less prevalent in the newer generation of Muslims which seems to get easily bothered and provoked. It really is a sign that spiritual training needs to be revived. Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad mentioned once how he noticed it (ridha – contentment) disappearing too:

    As you can imagine, this kind of prevarication, while well intentioned, isn’t conducive to business success.

    That’s true and it is also not allowed in Islam. We have to speak the truth, even if it’s bitter.

    As a consequence, all the moves their armies made were based on lies.

    Otherwise this is the kind of stuff that happens.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  496. iffen says:
    @Talha

    That’s really rude. Telling someone what should or should not be in their Bible. No wonder people don’t like Muslims.

    Appreciate the scholarship. :)

    • Replies: @Talha
  497. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Telling someone what should or should not be in their Bible.

    Man, I have no clue – I’m confused…which is why I cited a Christian source. I don’t like telling people what their religion should or should not say.

    Appreciate the scholarship.

    My pleasure – thanks for taking the time to read it.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  498. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I’m confused…which is why I cited a Christian source. I don’t like telling people what their religion should or should not say.

    Which is why you went in on the side of one Christian source?

    • Replies: @Talha
  499. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Which is why you went in on the side of one Christian source?

    Nope – if you read my words, I was fairly cautious about it:
    “I’m not sure all Christians are confident that it is even part of the Bible”

    Which is a statement of fact.

    It’s something they’ve got to figure out among themselves. I believe there are international committees of Christian scholarship that come together and review these things and then publish revised publications of the Bible once in a while.

    Of course, there are some Christians that are hard core about their version:

    https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevin-wax/the-king-james-only-controversy/

    Definitely an interesting debate to observe.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  500. Okechukwu says:
    @Talha

    I’m really glad you have come across Muslims with good character. I wish this was true for all Muslims, but we have plenty that behave horribly.

    Of course there are Muslims that behave badly. Just turn on the TV. But they tell me that those are all extremists. Having traveled to Muslim countries I’m inclined to agree.

    Perhaps your interactions have been with the older generation of Muslims.

    Yes. Many are older. Many are in my age group (30′s) or even younger (20′s).

    This resignation and contentment with the Divine will is something that I have even noticed is becoming less prevalent in the newer generation of Muslims which seems to get easily bothered and provoked.

    Well, I don’t have any dealings with Islamists. The guy in the video probably isn’t going to wear a suit and tie and meet in London or Dubai for a business conference. While the Muslims I know display differing levels of religiosity, they generally are not very devout. They don’t necessarily pray five times a day. They drink and party.

    Don’t take this the wrong way, but the resignation to divine will you allude to is why one has to be careful with what a Muslim says. If he says this or that is going to happen, you have to figure out whether the statement is based in fact or whether it’s an inshallah situation.

    That’s true and it is also not allowed in Islam. We have to speak the truth, even if it’s bitter.

    Be that as it may, lying is a cultural trait that is culturally accepted. I think you know that. It’s so ingrained as to make polygraphs utterly useless.

    • Replies: @Talha
  501. Bliss says:
    @Okechukwu

    Does Queen Tiye look like a white woman or a black woman?

    Looks a lot like President Obama’s wife Michelle.

  502. Bliss says:
    @Talha

    Your post betrays your contempt for women. Does your mother know about this? Does your wife?

    the far end of the melanin spectrum

    Lol. Look in the mirror. You too fall on the “far end of the melanin spectrum”. Being from the Dark Subcontinent.

    Rare is the South Asian who is not more melanin enriched than say Obama the first black President of America.

    • Replies: @Talha
  503. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Of course, there are some Christians that are hard core about their version:

    Let’s just say that I appreciate the comment made here some time ago about the Evangelical who stated that if the KJV was good enough for the Apostle Paul, then it was good enough for him.

    I asked, “Is that in your Bible?” Your reply was to the effect that it might not be in my Bible.

    You should have said that the verse was not exact, but that there were scriptures in the Koran that condemn hypocrisy.

    Respect ain’t rocket science.

    • Replies: @Talha
  504. Bliss says:
    @Anon

    but let’s be real, the US at that time was not remotely close to being comparable as a military power to the British Empire– come on

    Nor was Vietnam remotely close to the US etc, etc. So what?

    How does that refute the fact that the Haitians beat the French?

    • Replies: @Anon
  505. Talha says:
    @Bliss

    Your post betrays your contempt for women.

    Nope, that’s like saying; “Because you don’t like how Hillary Clinton behaves or what she stands for, you hate all women.”

    But thanks for setting up that straw man for an easy knock down.

    Look in the mirror. You too fall on the “far end of the melanin spectrum”.

    That wasn’t meant to be an insult.

    Rare is the South Asian who is not more melanin enriched

    Not in the Northern parts like where my family is originally from. My skin tone is actually about the same as the famous Indian actor, Rishi Kapoor – who could easily pass as one of my father’s family since all his brothers look very close to him:

    Not that it matters; I would have been pleased with whatever skin tone God decided for me (as should everyone else):
    “And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge.” (30:22)

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Anon
  506. Talha says:
    @iffen

    if the KJV was good enough for the Apostle Paul, then it was good enough for him.

    LOOOL!!!

    Respect ain’t rocket science.

    OK – I see what you’re saying here – I can see how it could come across as offensive. Not my intention, but fair point.

    Peace.

  507. Bliss says:
    @Talha

    Nope, that’s like saying; “Because you don’t like how Hillary Clinton behaves or what she stands for, you hate all women.” But thanks for setting up that straw man for an easy knock down.

    Wtf are you yakking about?

    I was talking about how you, like most internet Muslims, love to call a male who is on the opposite side in a forum debate a “she” or “her”. Clearly as an insult. Showing your contempt for the sex of your mother, wife, sisters, daughters etc

    Speaking of Muslim misogyny, what does your wife think about you getting to f*ck 72 black-eyed, big-titted virgins for all eternity while she has to settle for what? A dildo?

    As for that picture why should anyone believe what you say about it? You are a proven liar, and Indians are notorious for posting Bollywood pictures as representatives of themselves.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Dissident
  508. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    I thought we were talking about the relevance of the fact that the US was not capable of invading Britain (or even Canada)…

  509. Dissident says:

    Even if Kavanaugh had been proven guilty of the charges that were leveled against him by Ford, et al. (and assuming agreement that said charges themselves are, in reality, as serious as they have been made-out to be), should they have disqualified him from serving on the Supreme Court? I am not so certain.

    Let me explain.

    Consider, by means of analogy, the matter of evidence that was obtained illegally. If my understanding of the Law is correct, such evidence, no matter how inherently credible, is deemed inadmissible in court– even when that means not being able to convict an obviously guilty defendant. The operative principle is that the ends do not justify the means. There is also a specific rationale that if we were to admit such evidence, we would effectively be providing law enforcement with an incentive to resort to illegal means in obtaining evidence where doing so would appear expedient to them.

    Here, in the matter of the case that was brought against now-Justice Kavanaugh, the whole thing stank to high heaven from the very beginning and got no better as it progressed. In addition to all the holes and contradictions that Mr. Karlin alluded-to in his post, and the many more such flaws and discrepancies that have been pointed-out by others, there is the mere matter of the timing– that of Ford, of Feinstein and of the numerous other individuals who suddenly, just at the right moment, appeared out of the woodwork to allege damning personal revelations about Judge Kavanaugh. Could any of this have been more blatantly suspicious? How much doubt can there be but that the whole thing was reverse-engineered; a desperate, final-hour attempt to keep the now-confirmed Justice off the highest Court in the land by whatever means necessary? (Or that the motivations for doing so were little, if any, more than ones of naked political expediency, self-aggrandizement and self-advancement?)

    And this is before we even get to the matter of the absolutely glaring, rank hypocrisy that was exhibited by the Democrats during this affair. Did anyone, at any point during the recently-concluded spectacle, ask any of these self-anointed champions of justice and guardians of women to explain the 180-degree turn between their respective reactions to Ford, et al now, and to the women who, during Bill Clinton’s Presidency, accused him of similar and no-less-serious crimes?

    Then there is the matter of Kavanaugh’s age at the time of the alleged incident. While at 17 we can safely assume that he was quite virile and libidinous, he would nonetheless still have been an adolescent and therefore yet to fully mature mentally and emotionally, as well as a minor in the eyes of the Law. This is in sharp contrast to Bill Clinton, who was already well into adulthood at the time of the alleged crimes that he was accused of.

    Imagine, if you will, that everything in the Kavanaugh farce had been the same: same accusations, same timeline, etc. but with the following key differences. The defendant, instead of Kavanaugh, was something of a mirror-image of him. Say, a black man, from an impoverished background, nominated by a Democratic President and holding views favorable to the MeToo/Cult-Marx/SJW/Goodwhite mob. And those accusing this hypothetical Democratic Supreme Court nominee of-color were not the Respectables that we saw in the Kavanaugh affair but instead bona fide Deplorables.

    Would the supporters of this hypothetical antiKavanaugh figure not make the most that they possibly could out of the fact that the accused was still but a mere minor– a troubled, disadvantaged, oppressed youth-of-color– at the time of the alleged incident that he was accused of? Would they not explicitly argue against punishing someone so severely for something that he did while still a minor– something that, as evidenced by subsequent decades of an apparently clean record, was apparently a youthful indiscretion? Would they not argue that to do that would be to a commit a terrible injustice? (And would there not, perhaps, be validity in such an argument?)

    Finally, there is a point that John Derbyshire had made at the time that the accusations first broke against since-defeated GOP Senatorial candidate Roy Moore. If Moore had, in fact, done to any of his accusers what they alleged he did, reasoned The Derb, such women should be held legally culpable for having remained silent for all these decades. For they would, in doing so, have enabled a potentially dangerous predator to remain at-large.

    For all of the reasons that I have outlined above, I am strongly inclined toward taking the view that the proper and just response to the accusations against Kavanaugh made by Ford, et al, some three-plus-decades after the incidents alleged therein would have been one that can be summarized in just two words: Get lost.

  510. Talha says:
    @Bliss

    love to call a male who is on the opposite side in a forum debate a “she” or “her”

    Oh – so you aren’t a woman? My mistake and my apologies for the misunderstanding. If you are a male, then I will of course call you “he” from now on.

    what does your wife think

    She thinks it’s kind of funny actually.

    You are a proven liar

    Apparently as is anyone else who disagrees with you.

    as representatives of themselves.

    No, actually my dad. No Bollywood actor looks like me, when I was younger, I was told by some that I resembled Pete Sampras. Must be the thick eyebrows.

  511. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    the famous Indian actor, Rishi Kapoor

    Your real name wouldn’t happen to be Akbar Illahabadi, by any chance, would it?

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  512. Dissident says:
    @Okechukwu

    Well, the impoverished Catholic Dioceses of Uganda aren’t quite as prolific in raping little boys as their sister Dioceses in the affluent West. In fact it appears that the Catholic church doesn’t rape little boys at all anywhere in Africa.

    I realize that invoking pedo-hysteria (easily one of the most evergreen sentiments) is one of the cheapest means of feeling a sense of moral superiority. As is jumping on the anti-Roman Catholic Church bandwagon. And that the former provides a highly expedient, ever-ready to be tapped-into resource for indulging in the latter. The reality of the matter, however, is at least a fair bit more complex, nuanced and ambiguous than the tendentious, simplistic, current-year Respectably Correct version that you, as evidenced by these comments of yours, have apparently bought into. (And to recognize that much, no partiality toward the RCC should be necessary.)

    With that preface (and after seeing how far from the original topic that this thread has already drifted) I am taking the liberty of posting links to some material that presents dissenting, pro-traditionalist views on the scandals-in-question and related topics. I do not necessarily agree with all of the views, positions and conclusions expressed within said material. But I do, at the very least, consider them worthy of consideration.

    - Homosexuality and the Church Crisis (Brian Clowes, 2010)

    - This August 26th comment by “HA” in a Steve Sailer thread, as well as other comments in the same thread– both by the same author as well some by different authors.

    Excerpt:

    [...]indeed it is an outrage, but as far as making improvements, it is worth asking if anyone is doing things significantly better, and given the kind of abuse that goes on in, say, school districts on a regular basis, Catholics may currently be well below “average”. But there’s just not as much money or as many Pulitzers to be gotten by throwing dirt on other institutions so it’s hard to get an honest comparison and there’s very wide error bars around any figures.

    (Returning to Okechukwu’s font of refinement, wit and wisdom…)

    Leave it to a hairy white nationalist baboon[...]

    What I wrote earlier about gratuitous, ugly language, etc. is applicable to the above as well. (Lest anyone doubt my consistency.)

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  513. Dissident says:
    @Okechukwu

    Rape is not about sex because men who have ready access to sex also engage in rape.

    That’s about as preposterous as claiming that since many men who have ready access to sex with women also seek and use children and adolescents for sexual gratification, the latter somehow “is not about sex”.

    Obviously, neither rape nor sexual intercourse in any form with (at the very least) pre-pubescent children can legitimately be considered wholesome or even normative sex. But depraved, perverted forms of sex are still sex, no less than contaminated, fetid water is still water.

    I know, I know … maybe it’s part of the hard-wiring of men to want more and different sex.

    Sadly, there is ample evidence that many men specifically desire the violence and coercion inherent to rape, finding them sexually arousing. I would assume that this is difficult, if not impossible, to fathom by most normal men possessing a minimum measure of decency and humanity.

    In a subsequent comment you wrote,

    Many rapists fail to get it up and end up beating the hell out of the woman or penetrating her with something else.

    Presumably, even in such cases, the man still derives at least some degree of sexual gratification from his actions toward the woman. If not, and the man simply had a desire, with no sexual aspect, to be violent toward a woman, there is no shortage of ways that he could do so– ones that do not involve even so much as an attempt at rape.

    Rape (in this context) is, by definition, “about sex”:

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rape

    rape1

    noun

    1. unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual [emphasis mine- Dis.] penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.

    (Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2018)

  514. Talha says:
    @Anon

    If it was or wasn’t, I wouldn’t confirm or deny, but Akbar is a name (along with other Mughal rulers) that is popular in my my dad’s side of the family for naming boys.

    Peace.

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  515. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    That was a joke– Rishi Kapoor is famous for having played a Muslim by that name in Amar Akbar Anthony.

    Actually I think that and Bobby may be the only films with Rishi Kapoor in them I’ve seen.

    I also feel compelled to admit, unfortunately, that my name is not Anthony Gonsalves.

    • Replies: @Talha
  516. @Talha

    This look is indigenous to South Egypt, and is different from more Mediterranean North Egyptian. Guys from Aswan:

    Upon googling this topic I found a big and heated discussion of an Egyptian queen’s hair which came to this:

    Anthropological research shows that people from North Sudan, Southern Egypt cluster closest with ancient Egyptians. 

    They are the people who have always lived in the region for tens and thousands of years, ironically it’s also the place where the Tombs and major Temples are. Hieroglyphs also show the same people, identical. They are described as GROUP A, B and C. Naqada, Kerma etc…from where they arose.

    http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=8;t=008142

    Are they black or not black? I think the question is akin to “are the Bashkirs Caucasian or Asian?” They’re native to the geographical middle between the two, and have traits of both. In the end, I’m for leaving it up to their self-identification.

    • Replies: @Talha
  517. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Actually Rishi Kapoor played a lead role in a movie that I just recently told my father about. A very timely plot as well given what’s happening in the world (this one has English subtitles for those that can’t understand Hindi/Urdu):

    I’m telling you, when he’s dressed like that, he can easily pass for a cross between two of my uncles.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  518. Talha says:
    @Toronto Russian

    You make some great points and this basically outlines where I fall on the subject. I am certainly no expert since I have better things to devote my time into and frankly don’t care whether Egyptian civilization was founded by Whites, Blacks, expatriate Chinese or humanoid cat aliens. On top of that, the very concept of the institution of the god-emperor Pharaonic system has a decidedly negative connotation in Islamic doctrine in the first place.

    But I simply can’t deny what I’ve seen from the busts of the very early Pharoahs. And you make a good point; we can’t just put our notions of Black or White on them. If you would have asked them, “Are you guys Black?”, they might have said, “No, you want those guys to the south that live in the villages near the forests.” And if we said, “Are you White?” they’d look at us funny. Which is why I used the word “Black-looking” because they certainly are “Black-looking” in our current understanding. I looked for some images and found a relatively illustrative one of an emperor from the Old Kingdom (Huni) compared to a contemporary rapper (KRS-1):

    And from what I’ve seen, the genetic research still hasn’t dipped way back into the Old Kingdom times yet, like 2500+ BCE. Unless someone else has seen it.

    Now of course new stuff is being dug up all the time and many of the researchers themselves in some of the articles I’ve read say we should be careful about drawing definitive conclusions; and I personally think that’s the way to go.

    Peace.

  519. Talha says:
    @Okechukwu

    The guy in the video probably isn’t going to wear a suit and tie and meet in London or Dubai for a business conference.

    No, but you’ll probably see him in a suit and tie lecturing in Cambridge, where he is employed:

    If he says this or that is going to happen, you have to figure out whether the statement is based in fact or whether it’s an inshallah situation.

    This is actually a separate issue from being resigned to (and even content or pleased with) God’s will. Some Muslims use inshaAllah as it is supposed t be used – as a recognition that no matter how much effort one puts into something, it is ultimately in God’s will to have the result come to fruition. Other Muslims use it as I’m-not-willing-to-live-up-to-my-commitment-so-I’m-going-to-flake-and-blame-it-on-God – I have come across those guys too.

    InshaAllah is not used to mark deference to God’s will, that is actually in the Qur’anic phrase – and maybe you’ve heard some Muslims use it:
    Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji’oon
    “We are from God and to Him we are returning.”

    It’s so ingrained as to make polygraphs utterly useless.

    If that is real, that is a very scary thought, but would obviously account for some of the dysfunction in those societies.

    Peace.

  520. Dissident says:
    @Bliss

    Speaking of Muslim misogyny, what does your wife think about you getting to f*ck 72 black-eyed, big-titted virgins for all eternity while she has to settle for what? A dildo?

    Hi “Bliss”,

    Perhaps you’d care to tell us how much in the way of primary Islamic religious texts you have read? And how well you read Arabic?

  521. Okechukwu says:
    @Dissident

    I realize that invoking pedo-hysteria (easily one of the most evergreen sentiments) is one of the cheapest means of feeling a sense of moral superiority. As is jumping on the anti-Roman Catholic Church bandwagon.

    Well, I attended Catholic schools, attended Sunday schools and attended mass almost every Sunday until I was old enough to resist my mother’s influence. I was around the church a lot and I didn’t see a hint of pedophilia or anything of the sort while growing up. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I’d be very surprised if it did. So I wasn’t making a wholesale condemnation of all Catholic institutions. I had occasion to know and to be positively influenced by many excellent priests and nuns.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  522. Dissident says:
    @Okechukwu

    I must say that I was humbled after reading this reply of yours. Certainly it, and perhaps a few of your most recent other comments that I’ve now seen, would suggest that you are more intelligent and capable of being a lot more thoughtful, reasoned and civil than a number of other posts of yours that I’ve seen would suggest.

    Nonetheless, I must also say that after going back and re-reading the comment of yours that I was replying-to, I do not see that I could reasonably be faulted for responding as I did.

    Perhaps the lesson to be learned for me here is that your comments and writing style often need to be taken with a grain of salt; that, to alter a popular metaphor somewhat, you may bark a lot but when it comes to biting, you tend more toward restraint, moderation and deliberation.

    (Incidentally, I can recall how, when I first encountered “iffen”, I was put-off by his writing style. But then, adjusting to it fairly quickly, grew rather fond of him.)

    At any rate, I thank you for the cordial, thoughtful reply.

  523. Dissident says:
    @Okechukwu

    Yes, a not-insignificant number of white men travel to various non-white parts of the world in order to avail themselves of the various opportunities for seeking sexual gratification through contact with the native children and/or adolescents that such destinations are known for.

    That fact alone, however, proves nothing about the rate of child-rape or any other form of adult-minor sexual activity within the native, non-white populations of the locations-in-question. (I.e., native non-white adults using native non-white kids for sexual gratification.) The same as the existence of the now-infamous grooming gangs and other instances of the sexual abuse and exploitation (also including but not limited-to patent rape) of white children and adolescents, in (historically and still-majority) white lands by non-whites does not, in and of itself, prove anything about the rate of such crimes within native white populations. (I.e., native white adults using native white kids for sexual gratification.)

    It’s so bad that the Canadian consulate in Bali puts out advisories that ask people to keep a wary eye on ANY white man near local children:

    One must wonder: Have any similar advisories been issued for any British or European locations (e.g., Rotherham) that ask people to keep a wary eye on ANY {(one or more of the following or similar:) Pakistani/ Muslim/ non-White / Middle Eastern-looking / etc} man near local children?

    At any rate, whatever the racial dynamics, the topic of putrid men desecrating and befouling tender youngsters is one that can quickly become depressing and demoralizing to dwell upon. Without intending in any way to take away from its undeniable seriousness, perhaps I could suggest a related yet (in my view and what I suspect is that of at least a few others here) considerably more pleasant topic for possible future discussion:

    [MORE]

    The phenomenon of women who seek to indulge enthusiastically eager, capable, early-to-mid adolescent boys in various mutually-gratifying, arguably mutually-beneficial pursuits.

    To be clear, I do not mean to suggest that such pairings are without considerable concerns and risks of their own. Only that such pairings are, (a) as a rule, the least problematic of the possible age-sex combinations for the type of adult-minor interactions in-question; (b) may, in at least some cases, be relatively harmless; and (c) may even, in certain cases, be considered relatively wholesome.

    Then there is the realm of exclusive fantasy and fiction and the various artistic genres, both visual as well as literary, dedicated to this taboo theme. Say what one will about any of those (and, I hasten to add, the content found within them spans a wide range, from highly disturbing, at one extreme, to heartwarming, at the other, and everything-in-between), one thing’s for sure: the draconian social attitudes and legal realities that prevail toward such fictional, artistic works in the West is remarkably hypocritical, paradoxical, and even dystopian. People are locked-away for years for nothing more than viewing drawings. This, by the same State that, even to the point of blatantly denying manifest, objective reality, prides itself upon and mandates ‘tolerance’.

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  524. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Well, RK’s acting has certainly improved since the ’70s. This movie actually looks pretty interesting; Hindi “social message” movies are very hit-or-miss in general. I’ve seen a few awful ones but my parents really enjoyed Pink, which I haven’t seen.

    And somehow I’ve actually been brought back to a movie about something very vaguely resembling the post topics (sex, drinking, assault, courts …).

    I think I prefer diversions, as long as Sr. Karlin doesn’t care.

    I appreciate the effort you went to to find subtitles, since I don’t speak Hindi. They can be surprisingly hard to find sometimes.

  525. Talha says:

    I appreciate the effort you went to to find subtitles

    No problem.

    since I don’t speak Hindi

    So how did you watch those older Indian movies? Did they come with subtitles back then?

    And yeah, I like Mr. Karlin’s threads when they go off topic – usually gets very interesting (unless its the Slavs screaming at each other for one thing or another, I just skip that).

    I mentioned the tragic end of Parveen Babi in another of Mr. Karlin’s threads to make the point that living the high life often comes at a cost.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @iffen
  526. Anon[777] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Yeah, I watched them in the video era, since I wasn’t alive when they were released. People in Sri Lanka in the old days (especially Sinhalese, since there were Tamil theatres) used to go see Hindi films in theaters without subtitles, though. Knowing a few film-hindi words like pyaar, paagal, etc. will get you farther than you might think, though those of my relatives who spoke Hindi would laugh about the misconceptions they heard from people coming out of the theater. I always thought Sinhalese movies were on average better than either Hindi or Tamil* but it’s a small island and there aren’t many of them.

    *And some of the best Tamil films were directed by Ceylonese Tamil Balu Mahendra.

    Acting can be a very hard profession on some people, there’s certainly no question about that. Madhubala, Meena Kumari, Marilyn Monroe… (apparently it doesn’t help if their stage names start with M). Attention, power (however illusory), and fame can be dangerous. One sees the same thing in politics, but politicians don’t seem, in general, to self-destruct quite so spectacularly, though they may do so quite as thoroughly.

    • Replies: @Talha
  527. iffen says:
    @Talha

    And yeah, I like Mr. Karlin’s threads when they go off topic

    I thought that we were on topic earlier, but that is because I misread the title as “Is Brett Kavanaugh a Racist?”

    Later I realized that whether it is racist or rapist doesn’t really matter to the anti-white brigades.

    • Replies: @Talha
  528. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    (b) may, in at least some cases, be relatively harmless

    I wish to open up about this subject.

    I was traumatized for life by the failure of my 11th grade English teacher choosing not to traumatize me.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Dissident
  529. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Man – other people are still monitoring this thread? I thought me and Anon had hijacked it to talk about Indian cinema…

    Later I realized that whether it is racist or rapist doesn’t really matter to the anti-white brigades.

    There you go.

    Peace.

  530. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Knowing a few film-hindi words like pyaar, paagal, etc.

    LOL! Yeah. I never realized it growing up, but the influence of Arabic on such important and key terms in Hindi (like the title of that movie “Mulk” – country/nation). Or when Amitabh Bachan introduces this singer (he uses the words roohaniyat [spirituality] and insaaniyat [humanity/humaneness]):

    The song is called “Arziyan” (Desires/Prayers) and was featured in a film that his son starred in (this is a shorter version with some scenes from the film):

    Deeply moving, the refrain “Mawla, Mawla, mere (my) Mawla” is something I wish could be easily translated, but the word “Mawla” means Guardian/Protecting Friend/Benefactor/Lord all rolled up into one. And I love the line – a very Sufi one:
    “tere dar pe jhooka hoon, mitaa hoon, banaa hoon”
    At your door, I have bowed, been erased, been (re)made.

    One sees the same thing in politics, but politicians don’t seem, in general, to self-destruct quite so spectacularly

    True and I think it’s because politicians have more leverage with the “power” part of the equation than the “fame” part that actors do.

    Peace.

  531. Dissident says:
    @iffen

    I was traumatized for life by the failure of my 11th grade English teacher choosing not to traumatize me.

    :)

    I take it, based on one of your earlier comments in this thread, that your high school days may have been as much as fifty years ago. Although I was yet to have been born that far back, what I’ve read and heard on the topic has left me with the impression that attitudes toward consensual carnal intimacy between adult females and adolescent males were considerably more lax back then. Assuming that to be the case, there are at least two key reasons that I am fairly convinced account for the much harsher and often seemingly draconian reactions we have seen in more recent years.

    1.) The general zeitgeist of pedo-hysteria. I believe that fifty years ago, a man could photograph children at a public park and few people would so much as bat an eyelash. Try doing that today and (even though it’s still perfectly legal) there’s a good chance someone will call the police.

    2.) The normalization of homosexuality and “LGBTQ” ascendancy. Just imagine if women who cavort with boys were to be treated less harshly than men who cavort with (more often than not bugger and sodomize) boys. Can there be any question but that such a double-standard would be decried as scandalously homophobic?

    Apropos, a past comment of mine on the topic of carnal intimacy between adult females and underage males:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hamlet-vs-child-actors/#comment-2050326

    • Replies: @iffen
  532. iffen says:
    @Dissident

    A surfeit of words can illuminate or obscure.

    I have the uneasy feeling that your concentration on pedo topics is not a good thing.

  533. @utu

    Environmental effects diminish with age.

    I’m frankly surprised by how little you seem to know about the relevant literature (and I’m far from being an expert myself), despite having written so many long comments on it.

    It’s difficult to disprove IQ-ism if you have no idea what IQ-ists say.

    • LOL: iffen
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  534. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    I have just discovered your answer. I thought you would not respond because it is your usual MO when you are stumped. You opted for the last refuge of ignoramus which is smugness which amount to the same thing that you have been stumped. Run to your guru Cochran and ask him to help you out.

    Being smug is not an answer. The question was what value of heritability should one plug into the breeder’s equation. Cochran and the rest of IQists will plug the value of heritability form the twin studies calculated with Falconer’s formula which gives 50%-75% value for adults. This is heritability in the broad sense (H^2). While the direct correlation using breeder’s equation gives you 42% or 22% heritability which is heritability in the narrow sense (h^2). Why Cochran and others plug H^2 in the formula that does not have H^2 in it? Can you answer this?

    I directly asked why the breeder’s formula is not used for determination of heritability but you do not have an answer. Can you answer this?

    So if you want to esteemed the expected value of your children IQ if your children live with you you need to plug into the breeder’s formula 0.42. If you gave them for adoption you need to plug 0.22. Not what Cochran is telling which is 0.5-0.75. Can you answer this?

    I also pointed out that heritability whether in broad or narrow sense is environment dependent so it is not a universal constant. The case of 42% and 22% proves it. The case that twin heritability changes with age in childhood proves it (the so called Wilson effect). Why do the IQist act as if the heritability was a universal constant?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  535. Kavvy lied under oath. There were 7 former classmates that stated he was a blackout drinker and yet Kavvy says under oath that he has had a beer here or there.

    Being a blackout alcoholic is not a crime but lying about it is. The hearing was trying to put two and two together and say if he was in a constant blackout then how does he know who he assaulted?

    SEVEN classmates came forward with info and were not interviewed by the FBI, You can discount one or two or even three – but SEVEN people who came forward??

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  536. @utu

    The case that twin heritability changes with age in childhood proves it

    How? Heritability increases over time, while shared environment decreases. If you adopt a child, he’ll resemble you more than the biological parents at age 5, but he won’t resemble you much by age 18, instead, he’ll resemble the biological parents. So shared environment will have very little effect. (Non-shared environment will stay large, roughly 50%, but it’s a.k.a. random, so not what is normally assumed to be the environment.) The heritability numbers you cited are for children. They will be higher by adulthood, which is what matters. The child is the unfinished product.

    You make a number of dumb points. Heritability is not a constant. It’s not a constant for height, for example. It’ different (much lower) in a Malthusian society. (Same for IQ.) Heritability is not a constant for anything. No one ever said it was a constant. Why do you “debunk” such a stupid straw man? Why do you expect me to answer you?

    I directly asked why the breeder’s formula is not used for determination of heritability but you do not have an answer. Can you answer this?

    To my knowledge that’s because there’s no large database of adult IQs of parents and children. This is what I was hinting at when I asked you to provide links or offline titles to those databases. But you can still provide us with links or online titles to those. We could then determine if the data matched the 0.5 narrow sense heritability or not, and if not, we could go to Cochran to provide us with an answer. If he can’t, then we’ll know what to think. I won’t debate you since neither of us seem to have basic knowledge of the topic, and your knowledge seems to be even below mine. But if you made good points, I’d turn to Cochran to see his answer. I’m not an expert and can’t debate the topic well, but I can notice if the expert can provide an answer or not. You know, I can’t lay eggs but can still tell if the omelette was good, and all that jazz. Anyway, so far you failed to make me interested in your further arguments.

    • Replies: @utu
  537. @warren sperio

    How can you know if a drunk person blacked out? You cannot, most of the time.

    I could tell it of a roommate after having drunk roughly the same amount as he did, and I looked totally drunk and he looked still almost fully sober, except much funnier, and he was already a funny guy when sober. Except he was blackout drunk, and I wasn’t. (To most observers the opposite seemed to be the case.) He very often expressed surprise when I mentioned him details from the previous night, like who came to the party or even who he talked to. He frequently didn’t remember having talked to me, or what he told me. The opposite never happened, i.e. he never told me details about the previous night which I didn’t remember. But most people who weren’t that close to him didn’t know or even believe it. He just didn’t look that drunk.

  538. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    In the Breeder’s equation R=h^2*S the proportionality factor h^2 is the narrow-sense heritability . It is smaller than the broad-sense heritability: h^2<H^2. Twin studies using MZ and DZ twins determine H^2 by means of Falconer formula. AFAIK the only way to determine the narrow-sense heritability is by determination of the slope in the Breeder's equation. Because the standard deviations of R and S are the same this slope is equal to the correlation between R and S. This correlation was determined in numerous studies never exceeding 0.44. One can find it here:

    Neiss and Rowe, Parental Education and Child’s Verbal IQ in Adoptive and Biological Families in the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, Behavior Genetics, Vol. 30, No. 6, 2000

    Plomin R, DeFries JC, McClearn GE, McGuffin P. Behavioral genetics. 4. New York: W.H. Freeman; 2001.

    Elise Whitley et al., Association of Maternal and Paternal IQ With Offspring Conduct, Emotional, and Attention Problem Scores, ARCH GEN PSYCHIATRY/VOL 68 (NO. 10), OCT 2011

    Kimford J. Meador et al., Relationship of Child IQ to Parental IQ and Education in Children with Fetal Antiepileptic Drug Exposure, Epilepsy Behav. 2011 Jun; 21(2): 147–152.

    These studies were done for many different children ages. In one the average child age was 15. In your objection you stated your belief with accordance to one of the tenets of faith of the IQism

    The heritability numbers you cited are for children. They will be higher by adulthood, which is what matters. The child is the unfinished product.

    in hope that these studies underestimate the narrow sense heritability of adults. In order to significantly increase this values we would have to violate another tenet of faith of the IQism, i.e., that IQ is stable. IIRC, it is claimed that correlation of IQ’s between toddlers and 21 years old is 0.70 and after some corrections it is claimed that it is over 0.8. Correlation for 15 years old and 21 years old should be even higher. This high correlation if true is unlikely to allow change of the measured value that are between 0.35 and 0.44 in the cited studies to anything above 0.5 for adults.

    The two tenets of faith that (1) IQ is stable with age and (2) heritability is not stable with age are not exactly congruous.

    The lack of empirical data for the narrow-sense heritability does not stop Cochran to use value of 0.5, JayMan of 0.6 and Kirkegaard of 0.7 in some more or less serious examples they calculated. All we know it is less than o.5.

    While many studies indeed confirmed there was the Wilson effect its magnitude is all over just as the broad-sense heritability is all over from 0.5 to even 0.85. What is interesting is that the Wilson effect is a combination of two opposite sign effects: (1) MZ twins’ IQ converge with age and (2) DZ twins’ IQ’s diverge with age. This can be seen in Figure 1:

    Thomas J. Bouchard Jr., The Wilson Effect: The Increase in Heritability of IQ With Age, Twin Research and Human Genetics 16(5):1-8 · August 2013 

    It would take some vigorous hand waving to explain why for two different kinds of twins the reduction or increase of shared or not-shared environment have opposite effects.

    You ask for databases. There are plenty data bases in every country that has mandatory military service. Norwegian researchers use it a lot for their IQ studies. I am sure you could find very large sets of father-son who were tested with some cognitive ability tests. Why nobody is interested?

    The twin studies have their own problems. First of all samples are small. Twins separated at birth are no longer available due to changes to adoption policies. The Falconer scheme of using MZ and DZ twins does not correct for the possibility that MZ twins evoke more similar responses than DZ twins which result in overestimation of heritability. On the other hand determining heritability from the Breeder’s formula does not require any assumption on environment and how to correct for it. The problem is that it yields values below 0.5 which is not to the liking of the IQists. This may explain the lack of interest.

    It seems that you have never thought of these issues before so you rather dismiss what I have to say: “Anyway, so far you failed to make me interested in your further arguments.”

    Good thing that you realize that heritability is not a universal constant but it depends on type of society. There are people who do not know it. Your example of Malthusian society is good however you realize that using twins to determine heritability will not necessarily capture the difference between the two societies which is one more argument that heritability determined from twin studies has problems.

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  539. @utu

    it is claimed that correlation of IQ’s between toddlers and 21 years old is 0.70 and after some corrections it is claimed that it is over 0.8. Correlation for 15 years old and 21 years old should be even higher. This high correlation if true is unlikely to allow change of the measured value that are between 0.35 and 0.44 in the cited studies to anything above 0.5 for adults.

    You do realize that the high correlation between toddlers and adults is measured using children brought up by their biological parents?

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  540. Two more points. The correlations with the parents are bound to be lower unless you measure both parents. I think the few data points we have only measure one parent, usually the mother. I don’t think there are data for both parents.

    But the biggest point is that even assuming you are correct about the lower heritability, it merely reduces the amount of time required for the changes. So for example a narrow sense heritability of 0.1 will still mean that a selection of 1% is enough to move the numbers by 1% in ten generations, 300 years. This means that the numbers could be significantly lower in antiquity than they are now.

    For the record I think the numbers were higher than 0.1 even in historical times.

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  541. @reiner Tor

    even assuming you are correct about the lower heritability, it merely reduces the amount of time required

    Increases.

  542. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    For children who are adopted out correlation with biological parents is 0.19 according to wiki. I have no further reference.

  543. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    The correlations with the parents are bound to be lower unless you measure both parents.

    In the studies I cited except for that of Plomin that I haven’t read they get correlation with mothers and fathers separately. Sometimes correlations with mothers are higher. The way I would do it is to find the linear combination of parent’s IQ’s that maximizes the correlation because it is not given that the arithmetic mean is the way to go. How much different this correlation would be from that of individual parents? The difference might not be that great as one may think because IQ’s of mother and father correlate (≈0.4).

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  544. @utu

    I’m not very interested in the debate whether the narrow sense heritability is 0.5 or only 0.3, but here’s what the mainstream scientists found on the issue:

    Various studies have found the heritability of IQ to be between 0.7 and 0.8 in adults and 0.45 in childhood in the United States.[17][21][22] It may seem reasonable to expect that genetic influences on traits like IQ should become less important as one gains experiences with age. However, that the opposite occurs is well documented. Heritability measures in infancy are as low as 0.2, around 0.4 in middle childhood, and as high as 0.8 in adulthood.[9] One proposed explanation is that people with different genes tend to seek out different environments that reinforce the effects of those genes.[17] The brain undergoes morphological changes in development which suggests that age-related physical changes could also contribute to this effect.[23]

    A 1994 article in Behavior Genetics based on a study of Swedish monozygotic and dizygotic twins found the heritability of the sample to be as high as 0.80 in general cognitive ability; however, it also varies by trait, with 0.60 for verbal tests, 0.50 for spatial and speed-of-processing tests, and 0.40 for memory tests. In contrast, studies of other populations estimate an average heritability of 0.50 for general cognitive ability.[21]

    In 2006, The New York Times Magazine listed about three quarters as a figure held by the majority of studies.[24]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ?wprov=sfti1

    I don’t think we will be smarter in a comment thread than mainstream researchers. Just letting you know that the zeitgeist is against high heritability numbers. So the high (0.5) mainstream estimates are admissions against interest.

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  545. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    What you cited from wiki are numbers form twin studies that are the broad-sense heritability. For the narrow sense heritability there are no data indicating more than 0.44, afaik. We were not discussing the broad-sense heritability. By pasting here the wiki thing and deferring to authority that does not address the issue in our discussion you do not make the issue go away. Are you confused about different heritabilites? Do you actually understand the Falconer’s formula and under what assumptions it works?

    The discussion started when I stated that the proportionality coefficient in the Breeder’s formula is not the heritability most people think it is. It is not the number form the twin studies. By now I would expect that you would acknowledge that I was correct instead you pasted something from wiki which is not a propos.

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