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W.L. Chen et al. (2006): Effects of Cobalt-60 Exposure on Health of Taiwan Residents Suggest New Approach Needed in Radiation Protection

The conventional approach for radiation protection is based on the ICRP’s linear, no threshold (LNT) model of radiation carcinogenesis, which implies that ionizing radiation is always harmful, no matter how small the dose. But a different approach can be derived from the observed health effects of the serendipitous contamination of 1700 apartments in Taiwan with cobalt-60 (T1/2 = 5.3 y). This experience indicates that chronic exposure of the whole body to low-dose-rate radiation, even accumulated to a high annual dose, may be beneficial to human health. Approximately 10,000 people occupied these buildings and received an average radiation dose of 0.4 Sv, unknowingly, during a 9–20 year period. They did not suffer a higher incidence of cancer mortality, as the LNT theory would predict. On the contrary, the incidence of cancer deaths in this population was greatly reduced—to about 3 per cent of the incidence of spontaneous cancer death in the general Taiwan public. In addition, the incidence of congenital malformations was also reduced—to about 7 per cent of the incidence in the general public.

cancer-mortality-radiation

Observed health effects: “Cancer mortality of the general public and of the irradiated people.

These observations appear to be compatible with the radiation hormesis model. Information about this Taiwan experience should be communicated to the public worldwide to help allay its fear of radiation and create a positive impression about important radiation applications. Expenditures of many billions of dollars in nuclear reactor operation could be saved and expansion of nuclear electricity generation could be facilitated. In addition, this knowledge would encourage further investigation and implementation of very important applications of total-body, low-dose irradiation to treat and cure many illnesses, including cancer. The findings of this study are such a departure from expectations, based on ICRP criteria, that we believe that they ought to be carefully reviewed by other, independent organizations and that population data not available to the authors be provided, so that a fully qualified epidemiologically-valid analysis can be made. Many of the confounding factors that limit other studies used to date, such as the A-bomb survivors, the Mayak workers and the Chernobyl evacuees, are not present in this population exposure. It should be one of the most important events on which to base radiation protection standards.

GLORY TO ATOM!

power-of-atom

The conservative, strongly atomophile society portrayed in prewar America in the Fallout world is the gold standard of civilization that we must all unironically strive to attain.

 
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  2. Brabantian says: • Website

    Anatoly Karlin hadn’t been born yet when this evocative pop synth music video came out, but AK’s title above with ‘Science!’ including the exclamation point, reminded me of the learned doctor hilariously shouting that word in 1982′s big hit ‘She Blinded Me With Science!’ … btw, synth musician Thomas Dolby here, was an authentic tech whiz, and apparently later pioneered some of the software commonly used to download mobile ringtones in the old days … 80s music vid complete with Asian femme fatale

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  3. This is also likely why living at higher altitude is good for you.

    It exposes you to more cosmic rays.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Altitude also lowers obesity.

    Colorado has the lowest obesity rate in the US. Also the highest elevation state.

    Lowers general mortality:
    Burtscher, Martin - 2016 - Lower mortality rates in those living at moderate altitude in Austria

    Lowers heart attacks:
    Faeh, David, Gutzwiller, & Bopp - 2009 - Lower Mortality From Coronary Heart Disease and Stroke at Higher Altitudes in Switzerland

    Alzheimer's:
    Thielke, Stephen - 2015 - Association Between Alzheimer Dementia Mortality Rate and Altitude in California Counties

    General health:
    Sherpa, Lhamo et al. - 2010 - Obesity in Tibetans Aged 30 to 70 Living at Different Altitudes under the North and South Faces of Mt Everest
    , @reiner Tor
    Oxygen deprivation is a more likely cause.
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  4. https://www.birpublications.org/doi/abs/10.1259/bjr.75.895.750637?journalCode=bjr&#.WzDyc3arGQQ

    Radiation increased the longevity of British radiologists
    © The British Institute of Radiology

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  5. @Thorfinnsson
    This is also likely why living at higher altitude is good for you.

    It exposes you to more cosmic rays.

    Altitude also lowers obesity.

    Colorado has the lowest obesity rate in the US. Also the highest elevation state.

    Lowers general mortality:
    Burtscher, Martin – 2016 – Lower mortality rates in those living at moderate altitude in Austria

    Lowers heart attacks:
    Faeh, David, Gutzwiller, & Bopp – 2009 – Lower Mortality From Coronary Heart Disease and Stroke at Higher Altitudes in Switzerland

    Alzheimer’s:
    Thielke, Stephen – 2015 – Association Between Alzheimer Dementia Mortality Rate and Altitude in California Counties

    General health:
    Sherpa, Lhamo et al. – 2010 – Obesity in Tibetans Aged 30 to 70 Living at Different Altitudes under the North and South Faces of Mt Everest

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    Good thing I'm in the ski patrol next winter.
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  6. Talha says:

    Pffffshshshshsh…Saturday Morning Cartoons proved it to me:

    Peace.

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  7. utu says:

    Polonium tea in moderation is also good to you.

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    Wimps.

    In America, we use Polonium in kid's toys!

    https://gizmodo.com/the-secret-origins-of-an-infamous-polonium-filled-kids-1741381557
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  9. @Anatoly Karlin
    Altitude also lowers obesity.

    Colorado has the lowest obesity rate in the US. Also the highest elevation state.

    Lowers general mortality:
    Burtscher, Martin - 2016 - Lower mortality rates in those living at moderate altitude in Austria

    Lowers heart attacks:
    Faeh, David, Gutzwiller, & Bopp - 2009 - Lower Mortality From Coronary Heart Disease and Stroke at Higher Altitudes in Switzerland

    Alzheimer's:
    Thielke, Stephen - 2015 - Association Between Alzheimer Dementia Mortality Rate and Altitude in California Counties

    General health:
    Sherpa, Lhamo et al. - 2010 - Obesity in Tibetans Aged 30 to 70 Living at Different Altitudes under the North and South Faces of Mt Everest

    Good thing I’m in the ski patrol next winter.

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  10. Neal says:

    Litvinenko is now a super-spy on his most important mission yet.

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  11. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:

    Karen Silkwood died in vain.

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  12. As long as Karlin does not object, I am going to make this a regular thing.

    Give Blood

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  13. Give Blood

    Save a life

    Save your life

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  14. @utu
    Polonium tea in moderation is also good to you.
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  15. @Thorfinnsson
    This is also likely why living at higher altitude is good for you.

    It exposes you to more cosmic rays.

    Oxygen deprivation is a more likely cause.

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    Stating this as more likely is deeply suggestive of atomophobia.

    Shame on you.
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  16. Eben Byers already knew that ninety years ago!

    But he forgot about the “moderation” part.

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  17. Rod1963 says:

    I’m all for it. We’ll use scientists and doctors as test subjects. If they think it’s so good, then the geek squad needs to man up and get glowing.

    There is a whole body of research the U.S. government did on the effects of radiation on people(Japan and U.S.) During the late 40′s through the 60′s we experimented on American citizens without their consent. We dosed kids with fatal cancers with lethal doses of X-Rays to see what happens. Used prisoners as guinea pigs injecting them with Cesium and even Polonium. Later they marched hundreds of thousands of soldiers into the aftermath of nuclear blasts in NV to see how radiation effected their ability to fight.

    Initially it didn’t, the bad shit kicked a little bit latter when it made a lot of them incapacitated for weeks. Funny thing, the military doctors didn’t lift a finger to help those sick men when they returned to their bases sick as can be. They just sent them back to their families or barracks to suffer in silence.

    And people thought the Russian Communists and Nazis were evil SOB’s and monsters. Our high IQ elite were right up there with them.

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    I think the commies were worse than the Americans, they did their experiments on a mass scale and with more soldiers etc.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    You are an atomophobic coward.
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  18. @Rod1963
    I'm all for it. We'll use scientists and doctors as test subjects. If they think it's so good, then the geek squad needs to man up and get glowing.

    There is a whole body of research the U.S. government did on the effects of radiation on people(Japan and U.S.) During the late 40's through the 60's we experimented on American citizens without their consent. We dosed kids with fatal cancers with lethal doses of X-Rays to see what happens. Used prisoners as guinea pigs injecting them with Cesium and even Polonium. Later they marched hundreds of thousands of soldiers into the aftermath of nuclear blasts in NV to see how radiation effected their ability to fight.

    Initially it didn't, the bad shit kicked a little bit latter when it made a lot of them incapacitated for weeks. Funny thing, the military doctors didn't lift a finger to help those sick men when they returned to their bases sick as can be. They just sent them back to their families or barracks to suffer in silence.

    And people thought the Russian Communists and Nazis were evil SOB's and monsters. Our high IQ elite were right up there with them.

    I think the commies were worse than the Americans, they did their experiments on a mass scale and with more soldiers etc.

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  19. When the grocers are pushing Alaskan Pollock and King Crab legs here in the land of lobster, haddock and Cod, I have to laugh. I’d love to pass a Geiger Counter over the display with the fishy wares from Post-Fukishima Pacific Ocean fishing grounds.

    Anyone for a side-order of Cesium? A little Strontium? It’s in the debris fields they’re STILL paying people to clean up in Alaska and Canada as it washes up. And so I don’t know HOW it couldn’t be in the systems of Pollock, Crabs and other critters. They keep upping the ‘safe’ levels of background rads on the beaches in Cali-to Washington State and Oregon and the Columbia River interface with the Pacific. NOAA ,CDC and NIH are all complicit in this, likely goaded by GE, the Japs and those who fish. Enjoy!

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    Why are you putting safe in quote marks?

    You sound like another despicable atomophobe.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Why do you trust geiger counters anyway? All Steel has joined the Cult of Atomic Steel, except for ancient relics anyway.


    Low-background steel is any steel produced prior to the detonation of the first atomic bombs in the 1940s and 1950s. With the Trinity test and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, and then subsequent nuclear weapons testing during the early years of the Cold War, background radiation levels increased across the world. Modern steel is contaminated with radionuclides because its production uses atmospheric air. Low background steel is so called because it does not suffer from such nuclear contamination. This steel is used in devices that require the highest sensitivity for detecting radionuclides.

    The primary source of low-background steel is ships that were constructed before the Trinity test, most famously the scuttled German World War I battleships in Scapa Flow.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
    , @Jim Christian
    "SAFE" as in what they say is safe. If it's safe, why the repeated increase in background radiation standards? I'm no atomophobe, I grew up aboard USS Nimitz, equipped with some of the leakiest reactors in the fleet. I finished my hitch, now I'm only afflicted with asbestos. The nuclear leakage thing, the solvents, the fumes, and fuels and jet exhaust, the noise that made me deaf, they hardly add up to anything at all..
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  20. Many people seem to be missing an important point.

    *Moderate* radioactivity is good. Just like with aerobic exercise and dry red wine.

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    Not just these things. Applies to weight lifting and many other things as well.

    In general hormesis baffles people.
    , @reiner Tor
    It’s called hormesis.
    , @Sean
    Fascinating article by Robin Dunbar about the benefits of alcohol, if he is right they may not be primarily hormetic.

    https://www.ft.com/content/c5ce0834-9a64-11e8-9702-5946bae86e6d
    Food for thought.
    South Korean life expectancy will hit 90 years, and South Koreans are the worlds heaviest drinkers

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  21. @Anatoly Karlin
    Many people seem to be missing an important point.

    *Moderate* radioactivity is good. Just like with aerobic exercise and dry red wine.

    Not just these things. Applies to weight lifting and many other things as well.

    In general hormesis baffles people.

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  22. @Anatoly Karlin
    Many people seem to be missing an important point.

    *Moderate* radioactivity is good. Just like with aerobic exercise and dry red wine.

    It’s called hormesis.

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    Correct.

    The only and main caveat here being that what counts as "moderate" for radioactivity may be greatly underestimated.
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  23. @Jim Christian
    When the grocers are pushing Alaskan Pollock and King Crab legs here in the land of lobster, haddock and Cod, I have to laugh. I'd love to pass a Geiger Counter over the display with the fishy wares from Post-Fukishima Pacific Ocean fishing grounds.

    Anyone for a side-order of Cesium? A little Strontium? It's in the debris fields they're STILL paying people to clean up in Alaska and Canada as it washes up. And so I don't know HOW it couldn't be in the systems of Pollock, Crabs and other critters. They keep upping the 'safe' levels of background rads on the beaches in Cali-to Washington State and Oregon and the Columbia River interface with the Pacific. NOAA ,CDC and NIH are all complicit in this, likely goaded by GE, the Japs and those who fish. Enjoy!

    Why are you putting safe in quote marks?

    You sound like another despicable atomophobe.

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  24. @reiner Tor
    It’s called hormesis.

    Correct.

    The only and main caveat here being that what counts as “moderate” for radioactivity may be greatly underestimated.

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  25. @reiner Tor
    Oxygen deprivation is a more likely cause.

    Stating this as more likely is deeply suggestive of atomophobia.

    Shame on you.

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  26. @Rod1963
    I'm all for it. We'll use scientists and doctors as test subjects. If they think it's so good, then the geek squad needs to man up and get glowing.

    There is a whole body of research the U.S. government did on the effects of radiation on people(Japan and U.S.) During the late 40's through the 60's we experimented on American citizens without their consent. We dosed kids with fatal cancers with lethal doses of X-Rays to see what happens. Used prisoners as guinea pigs injecting them with Cesium and even Polonium. Later they marched hundreds of thousands of soldiers into the aftermath of nuclear blasts in NV to see how radiation effected their ability to fight.

    Initially it didn't, the bad shit kicked a little bit latter when it made a lot of them incapacitated for weeks. Funny thing, the military doctors didn't lift a finger to help those sick men when they returned to their bases sick as can be. They just sent them back to their families or barracks to suffer in silence.

    And people thought the Russian Communists and Nazis were evil SOB's and monsters. Our high IQ elite were right up there with them.

    You are an atomophobic coward.

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  27. gogis says:

    What I really dislike about hormesis is that it’s graph is horrible. Too low and too high is bad for you. Unless you indulge in your Rasputin experiments under strict doctor control, you better to abstain from all dangerous shit in the long run.

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  28. APilgrim says:

    OMG!

    Radiation Hormesis!

    Seriously? LOL!

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    Welcome to the Komrade Karlin Klub, please pay your dues at the end of the month.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Disgusting, irrational atomophobia.
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  29. APilgrim says:

    On the morning of 15 October 1927, a dim, autumn day, a group of men foregathered at the Rosedale cemetery in New Jersey and picked their way through the headstones to the grave of one Amelia — ‘Mollie’ — Maggia. An employee of the United States Radium Corporation (USRC), she had died five years earlier, aged 24. To the dismay of her friends and family the cause of death had been recorded as syphilis, but, as her coffin was exhumed and its lid levered open, Mollie’s corpse was seen to be aglow with a ‘soft luminescence’. Everyone present knew what that meant.

    ‘The Radium Girls — still glowing in their coffins’, Maggie Fergusson, 11 June 2016, 9:00 AM, https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-radium-girls-still-glowing-in-their-coffins/

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    "Mollie’s corpse was seen to be aglow with a ‘soft luminescence’. Everyone present knew what that meant.

    "‘The Radium Girls — still glowing in their coffins’, Maggie Fergusson, 11 June 2016, 9:00 AM, https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-radium-girls-still-glowing-in-their-coffins/

    Count me skeptical. As I understand this radioactive radium stuff, you have a mix of radium with a phosphor. Are they saying the this mix distributed itself in concentrations underneath the skin to be observable by a non-dark adapted eye?

    https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/radioluminescent/radioluminescentinfo.htm
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  30. APilgrim says:

    … “their jawbones crumbled to the touch” …

    And then there was the glamour of working with radium. Everything it touched glowed. If the girls blew their noses, their handkerchiefs glowed; they glowed like ghosts on their way home; their clothes glowed from their wardrobes at night. Some girls wore evening dresses to work so that they would glow on their dates. One painted her teeth to impress her man. There was no reason for them to think this was in any way sinister — rather the reverse: ‘Radium will put rosy cheeks on you’, they were told.

    It took time for the girls to sicken. Some, like Marguerite Carlough and Hazel Vincent, suffered chronic exhaustion. Others, like Albina Larice, produced stillborn babies. For many, like Mollie Maggia, it started with severe tooth decay. The dentist would remove the rotten teeth, already practically falling out of the girls’ mouths, but the gums wouldn’t heal. Instead, agonising ulcers sprouted in the holes left behind. Very often their jawbones crumbled to the touch. The girls’ breath became foul-smelling, and their skin so paper-thin it would split open if simply brushed by a fingernail. Death, when it came, was usually accompanied by violent haemorrhaging.

    ‘The Radium Girls — still glowing in their coffins’, Maggie Fergusson, 11 June 2016, 9:00 AM, https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-radium-girls-still-glowing-in-their-coffins/

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  33. dearieme says:

    I’m mildly surprised that so many commenters here don’t seem to know that modest dose rates of radiation can be good for you, or at worst do you no harm. It’s old news; it’s scarcely even contentious. “The poison is in the dose” applies to radiation as it applies to so many other toxins.

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    Thus the expression, "You need to get some sun."
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  34. @APilgrim
    OMG!

    Radiation Hormesis!

    Seriously? LOL!

    Welcome to the Komrade Karlin Klub, please pay your dues at the end of the month.

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  35. @APilgrim
    OMG!

    Radiation Hormesis!

    Seriously? LOL!

    Disgusting, irrational atomophobia.

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  36. http://garfield.library.upenn.edu/michaelis/title93.pdf

    Atomic Dreams of Canals – Atomophobia Title 93

    “Operation Plowshare”, the civil engineering applications of atomic bombs, was
    fully described at the United Nations Conference for Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy
    by two American scientists, Dr Gerald W. Johnson and Garry H. Higgins, of
    the Lawrence Radiation Laboratory in California. ‘Plowshare’ was the second
    great dream of atomic scientists that would prove to be an illusion, never to come
    true. If the panic was effective to forbid nuclear propelled ships to enter foreign
    ports through environmental pressure by fearful politicians, how much greater
    would be the atomophobia for bombs exploded in the countryside for simple engineering
    projects? Such logical deductions of ‘atomophobia’ were not discussed at
    Geneva.

    Plans for Operation Plowshare were well advanced and even costs were for the
    first time fully released by Johnson and Higgins. ‘Project Carryall’ was a plan to use
    atomic bombs to blast two ditches through the Bristol Mountains in California for
    railway tracks and motor ways. The ditches were to be 3.2 km long, 100 m wide and
    100 m deep, 22 bombs would be used, producing an equivalent explosive force of
    1.73 million tons TNT. The US Atomic Energy Authority estimated f 125 000 for a
    10000 ton bomb and f 210000 for a 2 million ton bomb. Workmen could resume
    their activities after one week and residents in nearby areas would be evacuated,
    but could return after one year with complete safety, it was stated. These figures
    were based on long experience with American underground atomic bomb tests in
    Nevada.

    Plowshare had also been considered for a second Panama Canal, and Johnson
    and Higgins reported that the US House of Representatives had approved a feasibility
    study only a few days before the Geneva Conference. They had allowed 5
    years for a survey, 2 years for blasting and 2 years for clean-up operations.
    Another application of Plowshare was discussed at Geneva, a 100 km long canal
    from the Mediterranean to the Qatarra Depression in north-west Egypt, lying below
    sea level. First proposed and surveyed by a British engineer G. Ball in 1925,
    such a canal would produce hydro-electricity and create a large inland lake. Its
    evaporation in the desert Sun was projected to create clouds, which in turn were to
    produce rain and thus open large desert areas for agriculture. This project was
    urged by M. Hedayat, the United Arab Republic’s Minister for Science, who stated
    that his engineers had already made extensive preliminary surveys.

    I was glad that a day later I could file a report to London that Francis Perrin, the
    High Commissioner of the French Atomic Authority, had offered to provide atomic
    explosives to Egypt for the Qatarra Canal, but that he preferred to do this through
    a new International Authority. Another dream!

    Atomophobes are literally worse than FDR.

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  37. After Three Mile Island, NIMBY activists killed a project that employed my father, who was part of the engineering team designing the construction of a nuclear power plant. The effective destruction of the nuclear industry ultimately forced him to respec and effectively practice a different form of engineering, losing a few years of income in the process in order to get credentialed/education.

    So. Atomophobia literally hurt me worse than racism.

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    My nuclear powered dream:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtYisD7RqWk
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  38. @Jim Christian
    When the grocers are pushing Alaskan Pollock and King Crab legs here in the land of lobster, haddock and Cod, I have to laugh. I'd love to pass a Geiger Counter over the display with the fishy wares from Post-Fukishima Pacific Ocean fishing grounds.

    Anyone for a side-order of Cesium? A little Strontium? It's in the debris fields they're STILL paying people to clean up in Alaska and Canada as it washes up. And so I don't know HOW it couldn't be in the systems of Pollock, Crabs and other critters. They keep upping the 'safe' levels of background rads on the beaches in Cali-to Washington State and Oregon and the Columbia River interface with the Pacific. NOAA ,CDC and NIH are all complicit in this, likely goaded by GE, the Japs and those who fish. Enjoy!

    Why do you trust geiger counters anyway? All Steel has joined the Cult of Atomic Steel, except for ancient relics anyway.

    Low-background steel is any steel produced prior to the detonation of the first atomic bombs in the 1940s and 1950s. With the Trinity test and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, and then subsequent nuclear weapons testing during the early years of the Cold War, background radiation levels increased across the world. Modern steel is contaminated with radionuclides because its production uses atmospheric air. Low background steel is so called because it does not suffer from such nuclear contamination. This steel is used in devices that require the highest sensitivity for detecting radionuclides.

    The primary source of low-background steel is ships that were constructed before the Trinity test, most famously the scuttled German World War I battleships in Scapa Flow.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

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    • Replies: @APilgrim
    Scintillation Counters are MUCH more reliable, & accurate than Geiger Counters.

    They cost a lot more, as well.

    There are probes, and apps which can be loaded onto cell phones.
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  39. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @dearieme
    I'm mildly surprised that so many commenters here don't seem to know that modest dose rates of radiation can be good for you, or at worst do you no harm. It's old news; it's scarcely even contentious. "The poison is in the dose" applies to radiation as it applies to so many other toxins.

    Thus the expression, “You need to get some sun.”

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  40. APilgrim says:

    ‘Flight attendants get more uterine, thyroid and other cancers, study finds’, By Jen Christensen, CNN, Updated 3:03 PM ET, Mon July 2, 2018, https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/health/flight-attendant-cancer-study/index.htmlhttps://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-018-0396-8

    Scientists have long found that flight attendants get more breast cancer and melanoma. The new study, published Monday in the journal Environmental Health, saw the same trend and detected a higher prevalence of every other cancer the researchers examined: Non-melanoma skin cancer, uterine, gastrointestinal, cervical and thyroid cancers were all seen at a higher rate in flight attendants.

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    Irregular hours, disrupts sleep.
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  41. APilgrim says:

    The Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station disaster caused a vast radionuclide storm across the Northern Hemisphere. Nuclear Fallout Contaminated groundwater, flowing into the sea, continues to damage the North Pacific Fishery and endanger coastal inhabitants, in Canada, USA & Mexico.

    Obama, MSM, WHO, CDC & the Nuclear Power Industry have increased the health & environmental damages; by concealing the dangers.

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    You should be sent to a concentration camp.
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  42. @APilgrim
    The Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station disaster caused a vast radionuclide storm across the Northern Hemisphere. Nuclear Fallout Contaminated groundwater, flowing into the sea, continues to damage the North Pacific Fishery and endanger coastal inhabitants, in Canada, USA & Mexico.

    Obama, MSM, WHO, CDC & the Nuclear Power Industry have increased the health & environmental damages; by concealing the dangers.

    You should be sent to a concentration camp.

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    Thank ewe,

    But my powers of concentration are already phenomenal.

    /S
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  43. APilgrim says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    You should be sent to a concentration camp.

    Thank ewe,

    But my powers of concentration are already phenomenal.

    /S

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  44. Sean says:

    In addition, the incidence of congenital malformations was also reduced—to about 7 per cent of the incidence in the general population

    That is very surprising.

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  45. Sean says:
    @APilgrim
    ‘Flight attendants get more uterine, thyroid and other cancers, study finds’, By Jen Christensen, CNN, Updated 3:03 PM ET, Mon July 2, 2018, https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/health/flight-attendant-cancer-study/index.html - https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-018-0396-8

    Scientists have long found that flight attendants get more breast cancer and melanoma. The new study, published Monday in the journal Environmental Health, saw the same trend and detected a higher prevalence of every other cancer the researchers examined: Non-melanoma skin cancer, uterine, gastrointestinal, cervical and thyroid cancers were all seen at a higher rate in flight attendants.

    Irregular hours, disrupts sleep.

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  46. @Daniel Chieh
    After Three Mile Island, NIMBY activists killed a project that employed my father, who was part of the engineering team designing the construction of a nuclear power plant. The effective destruction of the nuclear industry ultimately forced him to respec and effectively practice a different form of engineering, losing a few years of income in the process in order to get credentialed/education.

    So. Atomophobia literally hurt me worse than racism.

    My nuclear powered dream:

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  47. APilgrim says:

    Linear no-threshold (LNT) is a model used in radiation protection to estimate the cancer risk caused by ionizing radiation. The LNT model assumes that radiation doses greater than zero will increase the risk of excess cancer or heritable disease in a simple proportionate manner in the low-dose range. In other words, according to the LNT model, even very small doses of radiation can still cause cancer or genetic damage. The LNT model is based on extensive studies of Japanese Atomic-bomb survivors, patients exposed for medical-therapy, nuclear power plant workers, and others. The LNT model has been repeatedly endorsed by scientific bodies like the National Academy of Sciences, the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements, and the International Commission on Radiological Protection.

    ‘Hold Fast to Linear No-Threshold for Radiation Protection’, Bemnet Alemayehu, July 13, 2016, https://www.nrdc.org/experts/bemnet-alemayehu/hold-fast-linear-no-threshold-radiation-protection -

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  48. APilgrim says:

    BEIR VII Phase 2, a 20-year study that followed 110,645 Chernobyl cleanup workers, and a cohort study of 308,297 workers in the nuclear industry which all showed a simple proportionate relationship between radiation dose and cancer risk.

    “[o]ver the last half century, numerous authoritative national and international bodies have convened committees of experts to examine the issue of LNT as a tool for radiation regulation and risk assessment … Again and again, these bodies have endorsed LNT as a reasonable approach to regulating exposures to low dose radiation.”

    Opponents of the LNT model simply chose to disregard core research and findings in the field of radiation health physics. The LNT model is based on sound science, and it adequately protects people.

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    I was too soft on you.

    You should be dragged into a nuclear powerplant and beaten with bats until your bones break.
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  49. @APilgrim
    BEIR VII Phase 2, a 20-year study that followed 110,645 Chernobyl cleanup workers, and a cohort study of 308,297 workers in the nuclear industry which all showed a simple proportionate relationship between radiation dose and cancer risk.

    "[o]ver the last half century, numerous authoritative national and international bodies have convened committees of experts to examine the issue of LNT as a tool for radiation regulation and risk assessment ... Again and again, these bodies have endorsed LNT as a reasonable approach to regulating exposures to low dose radiation."

    Opponents of the LNT model simply chose to disregard core research and findings in the field of radiation health physics. The LNT model is based on sound science, and it adequately protects people.

    I was too soft on you.

    You should be dragged into a nuclear powerplant and beaten with bats until your bones break.

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    • Replies: @APilgrim
    What have you got against Nyctimene albiventer?

    https://i.imgur.com/DDvSb.jpg
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  50. APilgrim says:

    Uranium Miners: As a consequence of exposure to radon and its daughter products in underground uranium mines, at least several hundred miners died of lung cancer and surviving miners remain at elevated risk. These men, who were the subject of government study as they mined uranium for use in weapons manufacturing, were subject to radon exposures well in excess of levels known to be hazardous. The government failed to act to require the reduction of the hazard by ventilating the mines, and it failed to adequately warn the miners of the hazard to which they were being exposed.

    ACHRE Report, The Final Report of the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments – Executive Summary (stock number 061-000-00-848-9), the supplemental volumes to the Final Report (stock numbers 061-000-00850-1, 061-000-00851-9, and 061-000-00852-7), and additional copies of this Executive Summary (stock number 061-000-00849-7) may be purchased from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office. https://ehss.energy.gov/ohre/roadmap/achre/summary.html

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  51. @Jim Christian
    When the grocers are pushing Alaskan Pollock and King Crab legs here in the land of lobster, haddock and Cod, I have to laugh. I'd love to pass a Geiger Counter over the display with the fishy wares from Post-Fukishima Pacific Ocean fishing grounds.

    Anyone for a side-order of Cesium? A little Strontium? It's in the debris fields they're STILL paying people to clean up in Alaska and Canada as it washes up. And so I don't know HOW it couldn't be in the systems of Pollock, Crabs and other critters. They keep upping the 'safe' levels of background rads on the beaches in Cali-to Washington State and Oregon and the Columbia River interface with the Pacific. NOAA ,CDC and NIH are all complicit in this, likely goaded by GE, the Japs and those who fish. Enjoy!

    “SAFE” as in what they say is safe. If it’s safe, why the repeated increase in background radiation standards? I’m no atomophobe, I grew up aboard USS Nimitz, equipped with some of the leakiest reactors in the fleet. I finished my hitch, now I’m only afflicted with asbestos. The nuclear leakage thing, the solvents, the fumes, and fuels and jet exhaust, the noise that made me deaf, they hardly add up to anything at all..

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  52. You ancient babies raising hormesis’s ugly head again like it was something new. You are so clueless, you think it is new. And worse, you think it is true. The mind she boggles.

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    Many hormesis advocates are in the employ of the Nuclear Power industry.

    Many are in the direct employ, of the Nuclear Power Generation Industry.

    The propaganda & advertising expenditures of the Nuclear Village, are immense.
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  53. @APilgrim
    On the morning of 15 October 1927, a dim, autumn day, a group of men foregathered at the Rosedale cemetery in New Jersey and picked their way through the headstones to the grave of one Amelia — ‘Mollie’ — Maggia. An employee of the United States Radium Corporation (USRC), she had died five years earlier, aged 24. To the dismay of her friends and family the cause of death had been recorded as syphilis, but, as her coffin was exhumed and its lid levered open, Mollie’s corpse was seen to be aglow with a ‘soft luminescence’. Everyone present knew what that meant.

    ‘The Radium Girls — still glowing in their coffins’, Maggie Fergusson, 11 June 2016, 9:00 AM, https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-radium-girls-still-glowing-in-their-coffins/

    “Mollie’s corpse was seen to be aglow with a ‘soft luminescence’. Everyone present knew what that meant.

    “‘The Radium Girls — still glowing in their coffins’, Maggie Fergusson, 11 June 2016, 9:00 AM, https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-radium-girls-still-glowing-in-their-coffins/

    Count me skeptical. As I understand this radioactive radium stuff, you have a mix of radium with a phosphor. Are they saying the this mix distributed itself in concentrations underneath the skin to be observable by a non-dark adapted eye?

    https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/radioluminescent/radioluminescentinfo.htm

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    The Spectator article described the ambient light as: "On the morning of 15 October 1927, a dim, autumn day".

    Perhaps it was cloudy, or the casket was moved inside. Lots of video, even a few movies.

    https://youtu.be/7875DVDdmnE
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  54. APilgrim says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I was too soft on you.

    You should be dragged into a nuclear powerplant and beaten with bats until your bones break.

    What have you got against Nyctimene albiventer?

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    Ah yes the Megabat, result of the bat radiation.

    Fruit bat have long lifespans and extremely low vitamin D levels, like naked mole rats. Naked mole rats defy the biological law of aging

    .https://media.newyorker.com/photos/592f27cb7831a919be422ba2/master/w_813,c_limit/Burdick-Send-Naked-Mole-Rats_02.gif


    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080320120726.htm
    March 21, 2008
    A new study appears to explain how humans, along with other higher primates, guinea pigs and fruit bats, get by with what some have called an "inborn metabolic error": an inability to produce vitamin C from glucose.
     
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  55. APilgrim says:
    @Joe Stalin
    "Mollie’s corpse was seen to be aglow with a ‘soft luminescence’. Everyone present knew what that meant.

    "‘The Radium Girls — still glowing in their coffins’, Maggie Fergusson, 11 June 2016, 9:00 AM, https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/the-radium-girls-still-glowing-in-their-coffins/

    Count me skeptical. As I understand this radioactive radium stuff, you have a mix of radium with a phosphor. Are they saying the this mix distributed itself in concentrations underneath the skin to be observable by a non-dark adapted eye?

    https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/radioluminescent/radioluminescentinfo.htm

    The Spectator article described the ambient light as: “On the morning of 15 October 1927, a dim, autumn day”.

    Perhaps it was cloudy, or the casket was moved inside. Lots of video, even a few movies.

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  56. utu says:

    https://www.livescience.com/62913-cancer-risk-flight-attendants.html

    The researchers found that in female flight attendants, the rates of breast cancer were about 50 percent higher than in women from the general population. In addition, melanoma rates were more than two times higher and nonmelanoma skin cancer rates were about four times higher in female flight attendants compared with women from the general population. (Nonmelanoma skin cancers include basal cell and squamous cell carcinomas.)

    These elevated cancer rates were observed despite indications of good-health behaviors, such as low levels of smoking and obesity, in the flight-attendant group as a whole, the study authors said.

    Cancer rates in male flight attendants were nearly 50 percent higher for melanoma and about 10 percent higher for nonmelanoma skin cancers compared with men from the general population group, according to the findings.

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    Constant disruption of sleep patterns and the probably resulting constant sleep deprivation must be a factor here, though.

    Another problem is elevated exposure to infections, which might actually be the root causes of many cancers.

    Of course, radiation could be a reason, or even the main or the only reason for the worse statistics.
    , @APilgrim
    Commercial Airlines flying at 35,000', expose humans to high doses of Gamma & X-Ray.

    Radiation damage is cumulative, so crews pay a higher price than passengers.
    , @jimmyriddle
    Male flight attendants are mostly gay. Hence, much more likely to frequent tanning salons.
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  57. @utu
    https://www.livescience.com/62913-cancer-risk-flight-attendants.html
    The researchers found that in female flight attendants, the rates of breast cancer were about 50 percent higher than in women from the general population. In addition, melanoma rates were more than two times higher and nonmelanoma skin cancer rates were about four times higher in female flight attendants compared with women from the general population. (Nonmelanoma skin cancers include basal cell and squamous cell carcinomas.)

    These elevated cancer rates were observed despite indications of good-health behaviors, such as low levels of smoking and obesity, in the flight-attendant group as a whole, the study authors said.

    Cancer rates in male flight attendants were nearly 50 percent higher for melanoma and about 10 percent higher for nonmelanoma skin cancers compared with men from the general population group, according to the findings.

    Constant disruption of sleep patterns and the probably resulting constant sleep deprivation must be a factor here, though.

    Another problem is elevated exposure to infections, which might actually be the root causes of many cancers.

    Of course, radiation could be a reason, or even the main or the only reason for the worse statistics.

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    • Replies: @APilgrim
    Radiation, Viral, Mechanical, and Chemical exposures cause cancer.

    Deal with it.
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  58. APilgrim says:
    @utu
    https://www.livescience.com/62913-cancer-risk-flight-attendants.html
    The researchers found that in female flight attendants, the rates of breast cancer were about 50 percent higher than in women from the general population. In addition, melanoma rates were more than two times higher and nonmelanoma skin cancer rates were about four times higher in female flight attendants compared with women from the general population. (Nonmelanoma skin cancers include basal cell and squamous cell carcinomas.)

    These elevated cancer rates were observed despite indications of good-health behaviors, such as low levels of smoking and obesity, in the flight-attendant group as a whole, the study authors said.

    Cancer rates in male flight attendants were nearly 50 percent higher for melanoma and about 10 percent higher for nonmelanoma skin cancers compared with men from the general population group, according to the findings.

    Commercial Airlines flying at 35,000′, expose humans to high doses of Gamma & X-Ray.

    Radiation damage is cumulative, so crews pay a higher price than passengers.

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  59. APilgrim says:

    Radiation caused tissue damage is cumulative.

    Which is the opposite of hormesis.

    Cumulative tissue damage, from (internal + external) radiation exposure, causes cancer.

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    Does it never heal? Even after very small doses?
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  60. @APilgrim
    Radiation caused tissue damage is cumulative.

    Which is the opposite of hormesis.

    Cumulative tissue damage, from (internal + external) radiation exposure, causes cancer.

    Does it never heal? Even after very small doses?

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    Radiation exposure causes cancer, which does not typically, spontaneously heal.

    Skin cancer from 'weak-ionizing', ultra-violet light exposure, is a typical example.

    Beach Body skin wrinkles, dries, spots, and eventually develops several forms of cancer.

    The damage is cumulative.
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  61. APilgrim says:

    ALARA is the ‘watchword’.

    ALARA (As Low As Reasonably Achievable) is a safety principle designed to minimize radiation doses and releases of radioactive materials. More than merely best practice, ALARA is predicated on legal dose limits for regulatory compliance, and is a requirement for all radiation safety programs.

    ALARA is the law.

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  62. APilgrim says:

    The Goiânia accident was a radioactive contamination accident that occurred on September 13, 1987, at Goiânia, in the Brazilian state of Goiás, after a forgotten radiotherapy source was taken from an abandoned hospital site in the city. The radiation source in the Goiânia accident was a small capsule containing about 93 grams (3.3 oz) of highly radioactive caesium chloride (a caesium salt made with a radioisotope, caesium-137) encased in a shielding canister made of lead and steel. The ‘shiny’ caesium chloride was subsequently handled by many people. In the cleanup operation, topsoil had to be removed from several sites, and several houses were demolished. All the objects from within those houses were removed and examined. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) called the Goiânia accident “one of the world’s worst radiological incidents”.

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  63. APilgrim says:

    The radiation source in the Goiânia accident was a small capsule containing about 93 grams (3.3 oz) of highly radioactive caesium chloride (a caesium salt made with a radioisotope, caesium-137) encased in a shielding canister made of lead and steel. The source was positioned in a container of the wheel type, where the wheel turns inside the casing to move the source between the storage and irradiation positions. A wheel type radiotherapy device which has a long collimator to focus the radiation into a narrow beam. The caesium chloride radioactive source is the blue rectangle, and gamma rays are represented by the beam emerging from the aperture.

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  64. APilgrim says:

    The activity of the Goiânia source was 74 terabecquerels (TBq) in 1971. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) describes the container as an “international standard capsule”. It was 51 millimeters (2 inches) in diameter and 48 mm (1.8 inches) long. The specific activity of the active solid was about 814 TBq·kg−1 of caesium-137 (half life of 30 years). The dose rate at one meter from the source was 4.56 grays per hour (456 rad·h−1). While the serial number of the device was unknown, thus hindering definitive identification, the device was thought to have been made in the United States at Oak Ridge National Laboratory and was used as a radiation source for radiation therapy at the Goiânia hospital. The IAEA states that the source contained 50.9 TBq (1,380 Ci) when it was taken and that about 44 TBq (1200 Ci, 87%) of contamination had been recovered during the cleanup operation. This means that 7 TBq (190 Ci) remained in the environment; it would have decayed to about 3.5 TBq (95 Ci) by 2016.

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  65. APilgrim says:

    The Instituto Goiano de Radioterapia (IGR), a private radiotherapy institute in Goiânia, was just 1 km (0.6 mi) northwest of Praça Cívica, the administrative center of the city. It moved to its new premises in 1985, leaving behind a caesium-137-based teletherapy unit that had been purchased in 1977. The fate of the abandoned site was disputed in court between IGR and the Society of Saint Vincent de Paul, then owner of the premises. On September 11, 1986, the Court of Goiás stated it had knowledge of the abandoned radioactive material in the building.

    Four months before the theft, on May 4, 1987, Saura Taniguti, then director of Ipasgo, the institute of insurance for civil servants, used police force to prevent one of the owners of IGR, Carlos Figueiredo Bezerril, from removing the objects that were left behind. Figueiredo then warned the president of Ipasgo, Lício Teixeira Borges, that he should take responsibility “for what would happen with the caesium bomb”.

    The court posted a security guard to protect the hazardous abandoned equipment. Meanwhile, the owners of IGR wrote several letters to the National Nuclear Energy Commission, warning them about the danger of keeping a teletherapy unit at an abandoned site, but they could not remove the equipment by themselves once a court order prevented them from doing so.

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  66. APilgrim says:

    On September 13, 1987, taking advantage of the absence of the guard, Roberto dos Santos Alves and Wagner Mota Pereira illegally entered the partially demolished facility. They partially disassembled the teletherapy unit, and placed the source assembly – which they thought might have some scrap value – in a wheelbarrow, taking it to Alves’s home. There, they began dismantling the equipment. That same evening, they both began to vomit. Nevertheless, they continued in their efforts. The following day, Pereira began to experience diarrhea and dizziness and his left hand began to swell. He soon developed a burn on this hand in the same size and shape as the aperture – he eventually underwent partial amputation of several fingers.

    On September 15, Pereira visited a local clinic where his symptoms were diagnosed as the result of something he had eaten, and he was told to return home and rest. Alves, however, continued with his efforts to dismantle the equipment. In the course of this effort, he eventually freed the caesium capsule from its protective rotating head. His prolonged exposure to the radioactive material led to his right forearm becoming ulcerated, requiring amputation.

    On September 16, Alves succeeded in puncturing the capsule’s aperture window with a screwdriver, allowing him to see a deep blue light coming from the tiny opening he had created. He inserted the screwdriver and successfully scooped out some of the glowing substance. Thinking it was perhaps a type of gunpowder, he tried to light it, but the powder would not ignite. The exact mechanism by which the light was generated was not known at the time the IAEA report was written, though it was thought to be either ionized air glow, fluorescence or Cherenkov radiation associated with the absorption of moisture by the source; similar blue light was observed in 1988 at Oak Ridge National Laboratory during the disencapsulation of a 137Cs source.

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  67. APilgrim says:
    @reiner Tor
    Does it never heal? Even after very small doses?

    Radiation exposure causes cancer, which does not typically, spontaneously heal.

    Skin cancer from ‘weak-ionizing’, ultra-violet light exposure, is a typical example.

    Beach Body skin wrinkles, dries, spots, and eventually develops several forms of cancer.

    The damage is cumulative.

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  68. APilgrim says:
    @reiner Tor
    Constant disruption of sleep patterns and the probably resulting constant sleep deprivation must be a factor here, though.

    Another problem is elevated exposure to infections, which might actually be the root causes of many cancers.

    Of course, radiation could be a reason, or even the main or the only reason for the worse statistics.

    Radiation, Viral, Mechanical, and Chemical exposures cause cancer.

    Deal with it.

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  69. APilgrim says:
    @obwandiyag
    You ancient babies raising hormesis's ugly head again like it was something new. You are so clueless, you think it is new. And worse, you think it is true. The mind she boggles.

    Many hormesis advocates are in the employ of the Nuclear Power industry.

    Many are in the direct employ, of the Nuclear Power Generation Industry.

    The propaganda & advertising expenditures of the Nuclear Village, are immense.

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  70. APilgrim says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Why do you trust geiger counters anyway? All Steel has joined the Cult of Atomic Steel, except for ancient relics anyway.


    Low-background steel is any steel produced prior to the detonation of the first atomic bombs in the 1940s and 1950s. With the Trinity test and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, and then subsequent nuclear weapons testing during the early years of the Cold War, background radiation levels increased across the world. Modern steel is contaminated with radionuclides because its production uses atmospheric air. Low background steel is so called because it does not suffer from such nuclear contamination. This steel is used in devices that require the highest sensitivity for detecting radionuclides.

    The primary source of low-background steel is ships that were constructed before the Trinity test, most famously the scuttled German World War I battleships in Scapa Flow.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

    Scintillation Counters are MUCH more reliable, & accurate than Geiger Counters.

    They cost a lot more, as well.

    There are probes, and apps which can be loaded onto cell phones.

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  71. Eighthman says:

    So, is radiation hormesis real or not? And I thought that Hiroshima/Nagasaki studies raised some anomalies as to cancer incidence that was expected.

    Has anyone shown DNA repair mechanisms in mammals to be triggered in response to mild exposure?

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    Ultra Violet-A (Sunlight/Tanning Booth) exposure produces Vitamin D.

    Terrestrial lifeforms have various repair mechanisms, for all sorts of insults.

    No beneficial ambient or internal exposure level for ionizing radiation above UV-A, exists.

    Nuclear Power is an economic failure, health-hazard & environmental nightmare.
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  72. APilgrim says:

    Safecast Citizen Mapping of Radiation Fallout, was MUCH more accurate than the official maps of the Japanese Government. So the government had to update, with more accurate maps.

    A post-Fukushima effort to crowdsource radiation data in Japan has since become the largest source of radiation data in the country. And it’s now set to expand to other parts of the world. Catherine Winter reports from Tokyo. On a sunny spring morning just outside Tokyo, Joe Moross hooks a radiation detector outside the back window of a little red car. He looks at a map of the area on his laptop computer, trying to find a route he hasn’t driven before, so he can take new radiation readings. We want to cover every street so people who look at our maps can drill down and zoom in and find out what the measurement is right in front of their house,” Moross says. Moross is taking measurements for Safecast. Since the nuclear accident at Fukushima Daichi two years ago, volunteers like him have been driving around Japan, testing radiation and adding their readings to online maps.

    ‘In Japan, Citizen Radiation-Tracking Project Goes Big Time’, Reporter Catherine Winter, Human Needs, PRI’s The World, May 21, 2013 · 12:45 PM CDT, https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-05-21/japan-citizen-radiation-tracking-project-goes-big-time

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  73. @utu
    https://www.livescience.com/62913-cancer-risk-flight-attendants.html
    The researchers found that in female flight attendants, the rates of breast cancer were about 50 percent higher than in women from the general population. In addition, melanoma rates were more than two times higher and nonmelanoma skin cancer rates were about four times higher in female flight attendants compared with women from the general population. (Nonmelanoma skin cancers include basal cell and squamous cell carcinomas.)

    These elevated cancer rates were observed despite indications of good-health behaviors, such as low levels of smoking and obesity, in the flight-attendant group as a whole, the study authors said.

    Cancer rates in male flight attendants were nearly 50 percent higher for melanoma and about 10 percent higher for nonmelanoma skin cancers compared with men from the general population group, according to the findings.

    Male flight attendants are mostly gay. Hence, much more likely to frequent tanning salons.

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  74. Ancient wisdom confirmed, yet again.

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  75. Sean says:
    @APilgrim
    What have you got against Nyctimene albiventer?

    https://i.imgur.com/DDvSb.jpg

    Ah yes the Megabat, result of the bat radiation.

    Fruit bat have long lifespans and extremely low vitamin D levels, like naked mole rats. Naked mole rats defy the biological law of aging

    .https://media.newyorker.com/photos/592f27cb7831a919be422ba2/master/w_813,c_limit/Burdick-Send-Naked-Mole-Rats_02.gif

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080320120726.htm
    March 21, 2008
    A new study appears to explain how humans, along with other higher primates, guinea pigs and fruit bats, get by with what some have called an “inborn metabolic error”: an inability to produce vitamin C from glucose.

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  76. Dmitry says:

    This terminology “Atomophobia” does not make any sense – no-one is scared of atoms (which constitute everything around you), but rather of radiation effects of artificially induced nuclear reactions.

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  77. APilgrim says:
    @Eighthman
    So, is radiation hormesis real or not? And I thought that Hiroshima/Nagasaki studies raised some anomalies as to cancer incidence that was expected.

    Has anyone shown DNA repair mechanisms in mammals to be triggered in response to mild exposure?

    Ultra Violet-A (Sunlight/Tanning Booth) exposure produces Vitamin D.

    Terrestrial lifeforms have various repair mechanisms, for all sorts of insults.

    No beneficial ambient or internal exposure level for ionizing radiation above UV-A, exists.

    Nuclear Power is an economic failure, health-hazard & environmental nightmare.

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  78. APilgrim says:

    The referenced ‘AEC’ is the Atomic Energy Council of Taiwan, (NOT the former Atomic Energy Commission of the USA, now AKA the Nuclear Regulatory Commission)

    ‘Is Chronic Radiation an Effective Prophylaxis Against Cancer?’ W.L. Chen, Y.C. Luan, M.C. Shieh, S.T. Chen, H.T. Kung, K.L. Soong, Y.C. Yeh, T.S. Chou, S.H. Mong, J.T. Wu, C.P. Sun, W.P. Deng, M.F.Wu, M.L. Shen, Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Volume 9 Number 1 Spring 2004, http://www.jpands.org/vol9no1/chen.pdf

    ‘Effects of Cobalt-60 Exposure on Health of Taiwan Residents Suggest New Approach Needed in Radiation Protection’, W.L. Chen,a Y.C. Luan,b M.C. Shieh,b S.T. Chen,b H.T. Kung,b K.L Soong,b Y.C. Yeh,b T.S. Chou,c S.H. Mong,c J.T. Wu,c C.P. Sun,c W.P. Deng,d M.F. Wu,e and M.L. Shene, Dose Response. 2007; 5(1): 63–75. Published online 2006 Aug 25. doi: 10.2203/dose-response.06-105.Chen PMCID: PMC2477708 PMID: 18648557, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477708/

    Radiation surveys and dose equivalent assessments for 60Co-contaminated rebar buildings.
    Chen WL1, Author information: Department of Medical Radiation Technology, Institute of Radiological Science, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan, Republic of China. [email protected].

    The first 60Co-contaminated rebar building was found in Taipei City in 1992. In order to provide effective remedial suggestions to the building owner and residents of contaminated housing units, and to evaluate the dose equivalent to the residents, the Atomic Energy Council (AEC) organized a survey team on October 17, 1992. The main object of this team was to perform a detailed survey and dose equivalent evaluation of the 60Co-contaminated buildings. By the end of 2000, 181 buildings with 1607 housing units were identified as being contaminated with radioactive rebars at different levels. This article presents the detailed radiation survey and dose equivalent evaluation procedures employed by the survey team.

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  79. Sean says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Many people seem to be missing an important point.

    *Moderate* radioactivity is good. Just like with aerobic exercise and dry red wine.

    Fascinating article by Robin Dunbar about the benefits of alcohol, if he is right they may not be primarily hormetic.

    https://www.ft.com/content/c5ce0834-9a64-11e8-9702-5946bae86e6d

    Food for thought.
    South Korean life expectancy will hit 90 years, and South Koreans are the worlds heaviest drinkers

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  80. APilgrim says:

    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons: Ideology trumps science-based medicine, The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPANDS) is the official journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). The AAPS tries to represent itself as a legitimate medical professional society, but in reality it promotes antivaccine views, HIV/AIDS denialism, and an Ayn Randian view of the world in which doctors are supermen, Medicare is unconstitutional, and the government should never interfere with physicians’ prerogatives. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-journal-of-american-physicians-and-surgeons-ideology-trumps-science-based-medicine/

    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a small group of physicians who advocate for far-right conservative values in the practice of medicine. While purporting to have high regard for the Hippocratic Oath, “the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship, and the “practice of private enterprise medicine”, it appears to treat these concepts as terms of art. Despite also calling itself “non-partisan”, its main focus appears to be opposing abortion, vaccination, universal health care coverage and Obamacare in particular, and birth control.

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  81. APilgrim says:

    About ‘Private-Enterprise-Medicine’ … not much in the form of conventional medical ethics or in evidence based medicine.

    Never having heard of it before, I first discovered JPANDS in early 2006, when it published a paper by Dr. Mark and David Geier purporting to find a downward trend in autism diagnoses after the removal of thimerosal from vaccines. The paper was so ludicrously, execrably bad in design, execution and analysis that I had a hard time believing that any self-respecting journal would publish such tripe. (Indeed, it was even worse than the Geiers’ latest offering, hard as it is to believe.) Poking around back issues of JPANDS, I found that the Geiers were not the only ones torturing epidemiology and medical science in the pages of JPANDS (more on that later). Then I found Kathleen Seidel’s masterful analysis of JPANDS. I owe a debt to her hard work two years ago for inspiring and pointing me in the right direction in the discussion to follow. Because Kathleen did such a thorough job, I’m going to focus on a few specific areas that show JPANDS to be a most unreliable journal for anything resembling good medical science.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-journal-of-american-physicians-and-surgeons-ideology-trumps-science-based-medicine/

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  82. APilgrim says:

    The underlying articles, by M. L. Chen, are not ‘NEW’. They are over a decade old.

    Meanwhile, Taiwan has abandoned Nuclear Power.

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  83. APilgrim says:

    Nuclear Power in Taiwan (Updated July 2018), World Nuclear Association, http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/others/nuclear-power-in-taiwan.aspx

    Taiwan has six operable nuclear power reactors, which account for around 15% of the island’s electricity generation. Two advanced reactors were under construction, but this project is suspended.

    The Democratic Progressive Party elected in January 2016 has a policy of phasing out nuclear power by 2025. The MOEA in April 2015 said the closure of the three operating nuclear power plants by 2025 could result in lower economic growth rates and higher levels of pollution. The shutdown of the plants could lead to an increase of more than 10% in electricity prices, and a 0.5% decline in Taiwan’s GDP, while carbon dioxide emissions could rise by as much as 15%. Nevertheless, in September 2016 the government confirmed that it would not extend the operating licences of Chinshan and Kuosheng units. Furthermore Kuosheng 1 was prevented from refuelling due to the local government blocking construction of used fuel storage (see below). Kuosheng 2 was suspended in May 2016 following damage to the generator caused by a short circuit, and was restarted in June 2018. Chinshan 1 had been shut since December 2014 due to the government withholding permission, despite AEC clearance.

    In mid-2016 four of the six reactors were shut down for various reasons, and restarts were uncertain. Kuosheng 2 was closed in May 2016 for two years and after AEC approval, restarted to full capacity in June 2018. Chinshan 1 is closed following a fuel fault which has been rectified. Both plants are constrained by capacity for storing used fuel (see below). In mid-2018 both Maanshan units were operating.

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  84. APilgrim says:

    IMHPO, ANATOLY KARLIN was not very thorough, in preparing this AUGUST 9, 2018 article. The critical thinking component, is a total fail.

    Hormesis is BS. Radiation induced tissue damage is cumulative, and ALARA remains the appropriate standard, for radioactive exposures.

    Again … IMHPO

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  85. Polymath says:

    What’s missing here is a clear distinction between the many different types of radiation. Perhaps some types are hormetic at an appropriate level and others aren’t but people on both sides are talking as if all radiation is the same. Cobalt-60 in the range below 1 Sievert is what was involved here. Can anyone point to any previous studies involving Cobalt-60 in low doses, or identify another radionuclide with a similar radiation profile?

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    Everybody in the Northern Hemisphere was exposed to Cesium-137, Cesium-134, Strontium-90 and a lot of other radionuclides, during Chernobyl and Fukushima, as well as the atmospheric nuclear bomb tests.

    Hormesis is a LIE. Radiation Damage is cumulative. Deal with reality, or embrace the lie.

    We don't care what you choose.
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  86. APilgrim says:
    @Polymath
    What’s missing here is a clear distinction between the many different types of radiation. Perhaps some types are hormetic at an appropriate level and others aren’t but people on both sides are talking as if all radiation is the same. Cobalt-60 in the range below 1 Sievert is what was involved here. Can anyone point to any previous studies involving Cobalt-60 in low doses, or identify another radionuclide with a similar radiation profile?

    Everybody in the Northern Hemisphere was exposed to Cesium-137, Cesium-134, Strontium-90 and a lot of other radionuclides, during Chernobyl and Fukushima, as well as the atmospheric nuclear bomb tests.

    Hormesis is a LIE. Radiation Damage is cumulative. Deal with reality, or embrace the lie.

    We don’t care what you choose.

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    Why are you yelling at me? I’m just asking for information. I criticized Karlin for saying “moderate radiation is good” when the most he can say is “cobalt 60 radiation in sufficiently low doses may be beneficial”, and I’ll criticize you also if you are unable to point to studies that radiation of comparable type and dose is harmful, rather than more energetic radiation or radiation at a higher dose.

    A priori, one would expect that for high-enough energy radiation, any amount is harmful, and that for sufficiently low-energy radiation, in a low enough dosage, damage is repairable, but I don’t know, so I’m asking for links to the science on the specific questions I am asking, not science about questions I already know the answer to (namely that radiation of the type and in the dosages of the famous examples you point to is harmful).o

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  87. Polymath says:
    @APilgrim
    Everybody in the Northern Hemisphere was exposed to Cesium-137, Cesium-134, Strontium-90 and a lot of other radionuclides, during Chernobyl and Fukushima, as well as the atmospheric nuclear bomb tests.

    Hormesis is a LIE. Radiation Damage is cumulative. Deal with reality, or embrace the lie.

    We don't care what you choose.

    Why are you yelling at me? I’m just asking for information. I criticized Karlin for saying “moderate radiation is good” when the most he can say is “cobalt 60 radiation in sufficiently low doses may be beneficial”, and I’ll criticize you also if you are unable to point to studies that radiation of comparable type and dose is harmful, rather than more energetic radiation or radiation at a higher dose.

    A priori, one would expect that for high-enough energy radiation, any amount is harmful, and that for sufficiently low-energy radiation, in a low enough dosage, damage is repairable, but I don’t know, so I’m asking for links to the science on the specific questions I am asking, not science about questions I already know the answer to (namely that radiation of the type and in the dosages of the famous examples you point to is harmful).o

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    Run your own God Damned errands.
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  88. APilgrim says:
    @Polymath
    Why are you yelling at me? I’m just asking for information. I criticized Karlin for saying “moderate radiation is good” when the most he can say is “cobalt 60 radiation in sufficiently low doses may be beneficial”, and I’ll criticize you also if you are unable to point to studies that radiation of comparable type and dose is harmful, rather than more energetic radiation or radiation at a higher dose.

    A priori, one would expect that for high-enough energy radiation, any amount is harmful, and that for sufficiently low-energy radiation, in a low enough dosage, damage is repairable, but I don’t know, so I’m asking for links to the science on the specific questions I am asking, not science about questions I already know the answer to (namely that radiation of the type and in the dosages of the famous examples you point to is harmful).o

    Run your own God Damned errands.

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  89. “APilgrim” is clearly in the employ of the fossil fuel industry. Sad.

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    I am an electrical engineer, & have not been employed in the O&G industry in over 30 years.

    James Forrestal & Polymath are lazy, and ignorant liars.

    So, there's that.
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  90. APilgrim says:
    @James Forrestal
    "APilgrim" is clearly in the employ of the fossil fuel industry. Sad.

    I am an electrical engineer, & have not been employed in the O&G industry in over 30 years.

    James Forrestal & Polymath are lazy, and ignorant liars.

    So, there’s that.

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  91. Dave says:

    I know of a remote desert town where some federal agency forced the installation of a very expensive uranium-filtering system in the water supply. No one wanted it, and the tax increase to pay for it was a real hardship for the town’s fixed-income seniors, many of whom drank uranium-laced water for decades and lived to 100!

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