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I have always been fascinated by the blogger Audacious Epigone’s theory about Generation Zyklon – the surprising and counterintuitive idea that America’s youngest cohort are rejective progressive propaganda in the schools and media, and becoming as “based” as their Silent forefathers. It’s an important question, after all, and one that will determine to what extent the US will remain a functional country in the many decades ahead.

Audacious Epigone has marshalled a great deal of tantalizing evidence in support of this theory over the years.

And incidents such as the Baraboo salute in a small town Wisconsin high school have suggested that perhaps /pol/ culture is seeping into the US mainstream amongst youth.

However, more and more polls have been coming out that challenge this perception, and with this latest one, I think it’s now time to conclusively drop that meme.

PEW: Generation Z Looks a Lot Like Millennials on Key Social and Political Issues (January 17, 2018).

Generation Z [“ages 13 to 21 in 2018“] are more socialist, and more concerned with global warming. Well – whatever. An America economy run on Bernie-Tulsi-AOC lines will still be pretty nice, and AGW denial is retarded boomerism (though I personally support it because it furthers Tropical Hyperborea).

However, they continue to totally cuck out on race.

Younger generations have a different perspective than their older counterparts on the treatment of blacks in the United States. Two-thirds of Gen Z (66%) and 62% of Millennials say blacks are treated less fairly than whites in the U.S. Fewer Gen Xers (53%), Boomers (49%) and Silents (44%) say this. Roughly half of Silents (44%) say both races are treated about equally, compared with just 28% among Gen Z.

The patterns are similar after controlling for race: Younger generations of white Americans are far more likely than whites in older generations to say blacks are not receiving fair treatment.

In Alt Right circles, it is held to be conventional wisdom that America’s future will be a race between white “uncuckening” and the rising tides of color (e.g. see this large, recent study by Richard Spencer’s National Policy Institute). I have often voiced such sentiments myself.

But in reality it doesn’t seem like there’s any race whatsoever.

#BLM and John Oliver >> /pol/ and lived experience with affirmative action.

And while Gen Z views match millennials on race and LGBT, they are even more woke on personal pronouns and the 666 genders.

We haven’t come close to seeing the end of this nonsense.

So, moreover:

Tumblrinas >> cleaning your room and identifying as an attack helicopter memes

In my summary post on Audacious Epigone’s work, I asked:

Does Generation Z have potential to rejuvenate America and atomically blast spaceships into space, or is this just a desert mirage imagined by citizens of a doomed civilization?

I think we can now conclusively answer that.

The last remaining hope for a relatively homogenous and functional White population far into the future lies east of the Oder, and is dependent on the stability of the Soviet Freezer that made them that way.

That or we can just go the transhumanism route, assuming it’s not too hard and we still have the brains to force it through.

 
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  1. JLK says:

    Baraboo salute in a small town Iowa high school

    Wisconsin, actually.

  2. DNC says:

    My first thought was that a big % of respondents are poc, but the number of republicans by generation who say that blacks are unfairly treated is the highest among Z, at a whopping 43%. The blackest of pills.

  3. On the other hand, these very young generations have already been living online, fully knowing from a very young age that internet records from years or decades ago could easily destroy anyone. Hiding their opinions must have become a second nature for them.

    Having said that, Occam proposes a simpler explanation: that they are more brainwashed.

  4. Gen Z is pretty left wing, unfortunately, especially when it comes to race. Many young white people are even acting like they’re black, listening to rap, wearing ugly hair styles and doing drugs. I don’t blame them of the course; the environment they’ve been raised in is that awful PC white woman leftist freak show. They have nowhere else to turn to escape it, other than “black” culture, notably for the men.

    Furthermore, 45% of gen Z is non-white. Quite frankly non whites lap up all the SJW propaganda at school like water (ironically the whitest thing you can do).

    That said, the small minority of white male Gen Z are quite woke, and getting more so, but that number is likely a drop in the bucket, relatively speaking. If you broke down the numbers by race, I bet you would see a fair amount (comparable to boomers) of white men and even women supporting woke positions – the thing is, there just aren’t that many whites left anymore.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  5. Zumbuddi says:

    jeezus

    Where does an ordinary English-speaker get a Secret Decoder Ring to translate all the urban jargon into something comprehensible by people who grew up reading books and not Tweets?

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  6. Dmitry says:

    In economically stable and successful conditions, younger generation is usually more liberal and idealistic than the older generation – that is similar in most countries.

    The danger in the future for America would be mostly if the “anti-capitalist” ideologies (that detoured so many countries) could become more popular among their youth.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    , @Parbes
  7. In Alt Right circles

    The American alt-right is a total failure and just an internet phenomenon limited to posting edgy memes, I don’t see why one still should pretend it matters.
    imo increasingly demented liberalism is baked into the very nature of the US, irredeemably so.

    The last remaining hope for a relatively homogenous and functional White population far into the future lies east of the Oder

    I’m not quite willing to accept that yet; at least in theory things should be easier to turn around in continental Europe (still better demographics, a rich authoritarian anti-liberal tradition that could be rediscovered if one drops the post-1945 narratives and breaks with the Anglo world; and ethnic nationalism should be easier to justify than in a settler state like the US with its guilt about Amerindians and black slavery).
    But yes, it looks pretty bleak.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  8. Mitleser says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Many young white people are even acting like they’re black, listening to rap, wearing ugly hair styles and doing drugs. I don’t blame them of the course; the environment they’ve been raised in is that awful PC white woman leftist freak show. They have nowhere else to turn to escape it, other than “black” culture, notably for the men.

    Furthermore, 45% of gen Z is non-white. Quite frankly non whites lap up all the SJW propaganda at school like water (ironically the whitest thing you can do).

    It is more or less the same in Germany.

    From the German publicomag: https://www.publicomag.com/2019/01/generation-rueckzug/

    Generation Retreat
    What happens in schools where young people of Turkish and Arab origin already make up the majority? Assimilation is taking place with reversed signs: it’s the Almans [Germans] who are adapting

    I watched as the adapting Germans began to speak slang themselves. They adopt the habits of their migrant friends and try to escape the accusation of almantism for good by trying to outdo their friends in terms of aggressiveness and violence.

    The generation of remaining Germans who grow up in environments such as the one described has no self-confidence. Self-decapitation has taken the place of self-assertion. And this is not only shown here in the extreme, it is shown everywhere. No fire of inappropriateness and rebellion burns: neither against Islamic cultural annexation nor against political paternalism in schools and in the media, which explain to us how we all profit from diversity.

    Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  9. Dmitry says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Lol yes a lot of the language needs some translation.

    Karlin’s argument is that Generation Z (people born 1995–2009) are more liberal in social attitudes (race and gender), than Millenials (people born from 1982-1994)

    I think that is obvious. (On any comments of a YouTube video, you can read about how unpopular President Trump is with young people, in comparison to the more liberal President Obama.)

    The area which might be interesting is the economic views of the next generation in America (to the extent they might have many). Will there be pressure in the future to reverse Trump’s policies to reduce corporation tax (which had given new hope to America’s economy)?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  10. from Boomer,

    to X’r,

    to Millenial,

    to GenZ,

    each has been intensively, increasingly Jew’d by the (((MSM))) and Judeo-communist teachers’ unions.

    the Whites’ only salvation (west of the Oder) will be a collapse of the debtbuck, through which the Jews buy White consent to racial and civilizational extinction.

    if the Judeo-globalists can keep the Great Ponzi alive for another decade, by which time Whites will be a numerical minority in ‘Murka facing a majority orc amalgam controlled by lethally-hostile Jews,

    (((they))) and their orc enforcers will have won.

  11. Rosie says:

    I think you all are black pilling too much on the polls. People who are leftist in their early twenties don’t necessarily remain so, especially when their convictions are based on lies, as these young people will soon find out.

    Moreover, its possible that both the polls and AE are correct. Gen Z may have a larger radical fraction than older generations, and since their views are objectively superior, they just might bring the reflexive conformists to their way of thinking.

    https://news.rpi.edu/luwakkey/2902

    Or then again maybe we’re just f***ed.

  12. Dmitry says:
    @Mitleser

    I think influence of African American culture is just weakening everywhere, mainly because it is dying in American negroes itself. Popular rappers in America, are often white (Post Malone, G-Eazy, Machine Gun Kelly) – and rap music has been shit and dead more than a decade as original music anyway,so people prefer some kind of cross-genres now.

    The next culture waves in 2020s – will be increases in “Comic Book” culture and movies, and more autisticization/Japanization/cosplay/infantilization. Transgender movement will be added probably by the American transrace movement (people like Ariana Grande could pressure to say they are African American).

  13. Rosie says:
    @German_reader

    The American alt-right is a total failure and just an internet phenomenon limited to posting edgy memes, I don’t see why one still should pretend it matters.

    My feeling lately is that if there is hope for the American alt-Right, it lies with Mike Enoch.

    The idea that someone that hasn't given up on Trump or that someone that is blackpilled on him is your enemy, when you agree on everything but that issue, is short sighted and forgets that there is an entire media/political/corporate establishment out there to turn your guns on.— Mike Pejčinović Fan Acct 🇨🇦 (@MikePFanAccount) January 19, 2019

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  14. Danesovic says:

    Jesus Christ, you guys. What’s special about Millenials and Gen Z is that they collectivist, teamwork – oriented and civic mined. That means in the coming years they will be able to organize effectively to overcome any problem they face. They might not be red pilled on race yet but they are not stupid. Over the next years they ll be realizing they are being scammed and at some point they ll take decisive action and clean mess Boomers left behind. I know cause i was leftist till only a year ago. Read Fourth Turning 🙂

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  15. ‘…What’s special about Millenials and Gen Z is that they collectivist, teamwork – oriented and civic mined. That means in the coming years they will be able to organize effectively to overcome any problem they face. They might not be red pilled on race yet but they are not stupid. Over the next years they ll be realizing they are being scammed and at some point they ll take decisive action and clean mess Boomers left behind…’

    Sure.

  16. My own impression is that young people fall into two groups.

    Those who live around blacks: these have learned their place. They defer to their racial superiors, and censor not just their utterances, but even their thoughts. After all, you have to get through the day.

    Those who don’t live around blacks. They still believe all the lies they are told.

  17. @German_reader

    One rejoinder, apart from the obvious one of Americans still being more based than core Europeans:

    Open borders to the US will result in it becoming a semi-Latinized country, and this process is already playing out. But fertility rates in Central America and now places like Nicaragua and El Salvador and Honduras provide most of those immigrants, not Mexico. But this demographic pool is ultimately limited, as there’s just around 250 million people in these countries. (Venezuelans not fleeing to the US so we can draw the border there).

    In Europe, the Middle East can likewise never truly “Eurabize” the continent. MENA has 400 million people. But it does have SS Africa within proximity. One billion now, projected to increase to 4 billion by the end of the century. Europe *can* potentially become a South Africa. That is not really a risk for the US.

  18. @Dmitry

    Obviously. There’ll also be at least 70% highest bracket income tax, much higher minimum wage, maybe even UBI (I speculate with SJW characteristics):

    Young Americans are converging to European attitudes on economics. *That* has long been clear imo.

  19. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    MENA

    MENA is entering fortunately some degree of fertility transition now. So I think future MENA people will not be apocalyptic numbers.

    Most Gulf States are below replacement fertility (about same as Southern Europe of the 1980s). In North Africa, a lot of the countries are around 2,5 children per woman.

    The highest birth rates in the world are all in African countries today. Africa is very large geographically, so theoretically there should be no problem – really the world should be focusing to build mass housing (with good enough condition) for Africans in Africa and repatriating unnecessary Africans who tried to immigrate to your country, to those mass housing projects in Africa. This is the kind of project which could unite many countries of the world. (Urbanized Africans in mass housing will also have a fertility transition and become more sustainable).

  20. @Anatoly Karlin

    one of Americans still being more based than core Europeans

    how so? Because they like their guns or occasionally get all patriotic about some Mideast war for bringing freedom to benighted peoples? My impression is that most white Americans have internalized antiracist dogma to an absurd degree and are completely unable to conceive of the US as anything but a “universal”, cosmopolitan “nation” based on liberal, individualist values.

    But it does have SS Africa within proximity.

    I’m not sure that distance will insulate the US from African immigration though; iirc more than 10% of American blacks are actually already fairly recent African immigrants or their descendants (like that highly annoying commenter “Okechuckwu”) who must still have some ties to their home countries, and at least some of those will become part of American elites and lobby for openness to African immigration.
    Geographic distances aren’t that important imo, because in the end it’s a political problem, not some unstoppable force of nature. If one’s ruled by elites who think mass immigration of Africans will be an economic boon or is some humanitarian duty, one won’t be safe anywhere.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Yevardian
  21. USA is doomed as a country. All good things must come to an end eventually, and Americans have had too good for a very long time.

    • Agree: Adam
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  22. Zumbuddi says:
    @Danesovic

    Two problems We, dastardly Boomer parents of pre-millenials —

    1. They’re 40 and older, not a large enough group to sway elections. Their skills are old, but they have large mortgages and , if they have children, heavy financial responsibilities. IMO this cohort is most likely to find themselves out of jobs in 5 – 10 years..

    2. Dewey eyed Millenials might wake up in a few years, but the 40 + crowd was not subjected to the 6 million fantasy dogma in the same way; they’ve been paying taxes for 10 or 15 years. Has A O C ever paid a property tax bill? 40 + is not so much Woke, they’re insomniac, sweating what new way you “leftists just last year” are going to organize away what’s left of their disposable income.

    One hope is Boomers! We had practice raising a he’ll of a fuss, and we have free time to do it — for our kids and grandkids.

  23. That or we can just go the transhumanism route, assuming it’s not too hard and we still have the brains to force it through.

    I know some of you guys aren’t keen on it. But I say we just buck up to the challenge and go pedal to the metal on transhumanism. I really think its the only way to go.

  24. There is a lot of ruin in a nation.

    Let us hope that the centrifugal forces of the meteques accelerate the paralysis and, ultimately, the destruction of this moribund multi-ethnic empire sooner rather than later.

    From the ashes of dead forests shall emerge fertile soil.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  25. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I’ve wondered if there is a way to subvert Hispanics. Not like the neocons who think they will be turned into fiscal or constitutional conservatives – that is pure delusion.

    But I mean something more pragmatic, like drawing some line in Mexico (exluding the Yucatan, etc.) and saying to the Mestizos, “Okay, you’re in – if you can keep the indios out. And, of course, the Nigerians and Somalis. Your unemployed? Congratulations, they’ve all got jobs rounding up Africans.”

    • Replies: @German_reader
  26. @Dmitry

    Young people are easily influenced. When I was a teenager I believed that history had ended in American liberal capitalist victory and that Bill Clinton was a hero who was saving poor innocent Kosovo from being genocided by Nazi Serbia because that’s what everyone on TV was saying. Most people that I knew who believed in neoliberalism.txt have dropped it and gone to different directions, left or right, but what’s common is that belief in whatever is the default narrative declined with age and experience.

    “Youth rebellion” is the one of the most ridiculous myths in existence, young people are natural authoritarians and they’re all looking for authority figures to tell them what to think. I bet if you had done the same polling in the Soviet Union you’d have found the youth most eager to repeat party slogans and platitudes. In the end it doesn’t matter as the masses are followers and revolutions and great changes are made by small groups of dedicated people who are not very young.

    The “idealism” is young people is another ridiculous idea. The youth is greedy, selfish and easily agitated towards looting which is why they’re very vulnerable to demagogues who tell them that successful group X should be torn town and its properties and privileges distributed to the young looters. It’s actually hard to agitate the youth against a poor group like blacks since there’s little to envy there but it’s much easier to agitate the “idealistic youth” against an ethnic group with money like the Jews. Much like it’s hard to get an audience if you’re ranting about after janitors but not so hard if you’re ranting about bankers.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Kerubi
    , @iffen
  27. @Rosie

    My feeling lately is that if there is hope for the American alt-Right, it lies with Mike Enoch.

    Yes, Stahlhelms and Roman salutes will go a long way towards winning the hearts and minds of the American public.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Rosie
  28. @songbird

    I’ve wondered if there is a way to subvert Hispanics.

    It would be more important though to turn liberal whites. The main problem is that huge numbers of whites both in the US and in Europe are fanatically in favour of open borderism or at least go along with it out of conformism. And even many of those who grumble in private are too apathetic to do anything.
    I really don’t know though what one should do about this.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  29. Just like the Roman Republic morphed into the Roman Empire, I feel that under the Gen-Z, America will morph into an American Empire.

    In terms of foreign policy, it will likely tread the same path of the British Empire, It’ll probably withdraw its troops from overseas country by country steadily, until they have none left after a couple of decades. Some of its ex-vassals will be vehemently anti-American, but the majority will likely maintain being on good terms.

    Some, if not most, American companies’ overseas offices will even be spun off and localized, still likely run quite similarly. And many will maintain strong ties with its ex-headquarters, but adapted to the tastes/requirements of each individual country’s ruling class.

    In terms of domestic policy, I see the neocon-neoliberal establishment and AOC establish a consensus, and be a one-party dictatorship in all but name: Something resembling South Africa and ANC’s dominance. The unhinged nonwhite progressives will either be powerful controlled opposition or be in the coalition. Essentially, I think it will look like California, with the same culture, laws, strengths, and woes but implemented on a nationwide scale. But perhaps with a very stagnant GDP and significant rises in cost of living as the dollar will obviously cease being the sole reserve currency during the large scale withdrawal from its overseas empire.

    In terms of demographics, I see the US as a whole stabilizing at something like 45% white, 25% Latino, 15% black, 10% Asian, with high interracial marriage rates.

    This “isolationist” American “Empire” will probably last a good century before civil war happens.

  30. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    Karlin has a soft spot for his fellow Americans, being his countrymen and all.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  31. Rosie says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Yes, Stahlhelms and Roman salutes will go a long way towards winning the hearts and minds of the American public.

    One of the things Whites need to overcome is the idea that White advocatescannot and do not mature like others do. The American public didn’t seem all that bothered about Obama’s radical Church.

  32. @Yevardian

    Don’t always be so snarky about AK, it’s impolite.
    American alt-right isn’t impressive though, they adopted some really bad optics and seem undisciplined. Identitarians in Europe seem to be somewhat smarter in their activism, maybe AK should devote some attention to them.

  33. songbird says:

    I believe politics is mostly genetic. Therefore the politics of whites could change based on there being differential reproductive rates along the political spectrum. Perhaps, even if just the extreme left dies off that would shift the culture.

    But I don’t really have any hope for environment-mediated change. Diversity is the environment, and the greater the diversity, the greater the conformity to diversity. Now the black pill is that Europe has much the same genes as European America and is likely past the level of that inititial, cancerous, insanity-inducing demographic input America had – slavery. Or at least Western Europe is.

    Eastern Europe is still on the bubble. Afraid it has the same genes. Can the left be subverted there into a cohesive identitarian ideology, before it reaches a demographic turning point? And what is the turning point? Well, during the rise of Nazism – a movement which arguably successfully subverted a large part of the left to have a group racial consciousness, Germany was about 5% Jewish. Gypsies were only about 30,000 – hardly anything. And America was about 15% black.

    So, rough estimate till turning point when it becomes impossible to subvert the left to group consciousness is somewhere between 5-15%. But maybe that is a bad estimate, and the real turning point is much lower than that range. Most Jews were pretty European-looking and had more nominal behavior. Black faces may be the real key to the left’s insanity, and some of that already leaks in culturally through Hollywood.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @German_reader
  34. @AquariusAnon

    Just like the Roman Republic morphed into the Roman Empire, I feel that under the Gen-Z, America will morph into an American Empire.

    Makes sense…

    In terms of foreign policy, it will likely tread the same path of the British Empire,

    …but this does not. When Rome morphed from republic to empire, what followed was centuries of wars of conquest under ruthless tyrants. We can all see how much American elites have invested in its military power in their resistance to “populist” isolationism and if they drop the pretension of consulting the common people, we’ll see generations of American conquests executed with the same ruthlessness as seen before the “hearts and minds” era (think conquest of the continent, nuclear bombs, carpet bombings of cities – America did not become a dominant force through soft power).

    An American Caesar would look much like Napoleon, trying to turn the known world into images of itself with the confidence that America holds the true, universal Enlightenment values that must be spread to all corners of the world. The “proposition nation” ideology is a natural fit for totalitarianism. What if you’re born in the “proposition nation” and you don’t agree with the proposition? Obviously there has to be some enforcement of the national proposition. The more people who disagree and the more serious the disagreement, the stricter the enforcement needs to be.

    And after you’ve enforced the proposition and its universal values on one country, why wouldn’t you believe that the next step is enforcing it on other countries?

  35. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Young Americans are converging to European attitudes on economics. *That* has long been clear imo.

    Is that really such a bad thing, though? I mean, it seems better than giving massive tax cuts to the super-wealthy and large corporations, no?

    Also, given the IQ privilege that some groups have, a more generous social safety net does seem like the fair thing to do–just as long as one controls the borders in order to prevent too many Third Worlders from coming over here.

    • Replies: @g2k
  36. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AquariusAnon

    In terms of demographics, I see the US as a whole stabilizing at something like 45% white, 25% Latino, 15% black, 10% Asian, with high interracial marriage rates.

    The Asian and Black percentages could potentially be higher since a lot of smart Asians and Blacks might want to move over here.

  37. Mr. XYZ says:
    @German_reader

    Well, if the GOP stopped being the corporate whore party and the Democrats became the corporate whore party instead, I’d be much more inclined to vote for the GOP even if they will retain their anti-immigration attitude. I’m against open borders but am more favorably inclined towards high-skill immigration; however, as long as the GOP remains the corporate whore party, I will support the Democrats even if they will also support a lot of low-skilled immigration. I’d prefer the U.S. to take an IQ hit (as long as it is not too large, that is) over voting for the corporate whore party.

  38. @Anatoly Karlin

    “and AGW denial is retarded boomerism (though I personally support it because it furthers Tropical Hyperborea).”

    I agree but I support it becuses it is the only thing stoping a centrally planned “Green new deal”

    Shoot AK you as a pro China Russian nationalist have an incentive to suport the US green movment because if they get thire way then China wins easy.

  39. Shit hispanics are more lickley to make a US Bolsonaro then the Storm Fags ever will.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/california_brownout_david_cole/

  40. songbird says:
    @AquariusAnon

    I wish I could be as optimistic – and most of my life those numbers would have terrified me.

    In the US, I view it now as an uncontrolled process of diffusion. What matters is world racial group totals, and ability to immigrate (often now facilitated.) As well as if place A, is better than place B. And as we’ve seen demonstrated in places like South Africa, place A can still be pretty awful while also being a value proposition.

  41. @Jaakko Raipala

    Well, America better combine the Sovok foreign policy model (and its tactics in the Warsaw Pact), combined with the bloodthirsty fanaticism of the Genghis Khan Mongol Empire if it wants to go down this conquest model and impose the Gen-Z version of neoliberalism.txt on the world, which is not only authoritarian but almost schizophrenic: There’s NO WAY to appease them as long as they somehow decide you are the enemy.

    If not, then it will run into dual resistance: There’s now way countries like Poland and Japan will accept a potential, say, Governor Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez of the Overseas Territory of Japan (or Poland) forcibly destroying the cultures and demographics of the countries overnight. That’s an uprising right there.

    On the other hand, those core European countries that are implementing neoliberalism.txt itself will respond very harshly to hamfisted American power. Again, that’s another uprising.

    If it does succeed, America will likely really change the world forever. Its one thing to screw with economic models, but its another to screw with the traditional culture and demographics of a place: Once the latter is gone, it will be gone forever.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  42. I don’t know how much such polls are worth.

    Young whites and other non-blacks are justifiably paranoid about what they say to pollsters. They are used to paranoia. College campuses have student secret police, and even lectures are eavesdropped on. (E.g., a prof notes, in the first class on the first day of the new school year, that a projector doesn’t work. A few minutes later, a maintenance man comes by to fix it, without the prof having called it in, as he then remarked to the class.)

    Plus, the youngest group of whites have no experience with paying taxes or raising children. They still might give the “right responses” then, but look at their behavior for their true beliefs (“revealed preferences”). Moving to areas with “good schools,” putting their kids in private schools, or protected public schools.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  43. @Nicholas Stix

    the youngest group of whites have no experience with paying taxes or raising children

    So then they will only have one child, at a very late age, so they won’t get the experience which could make them right wing until they have already voted left for several election cycles, and even then only a limited dose.

    I know leftist sixty-somethings who are pretty unhappy that their two daughters (both approaching 40) have still not produced grandchildren for them, but they keep being leftists anyway. (It’s probably not easy for most people to understand why a toxic culture is responsible for said “girls” not getting married and starting a family, and how the toxic culture is political.)

  44. @AquariusAnon

    There’s now way countries like Poland and Japan will accept a potential, say, Governor Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez of the Overseas Territory of Japan (or Poland) forcibly destroying the cultures and demographics of the countries overnight.

    They won’t be doing this overnight. So there might be some murmurs, but probably nothing more. (Japan might be different. I don’t know.)

    core European countries that are implementing neoliberalism.txt itself will respond very harshly to hamfisted American power. Again, that’s another uprising.

    They will be murmuring perhaps a lot.

    So there will be a double murmur.

  45. @songbird

    politics is mostly genetic

    That’s simplistic. For example there’s probably a strong genetic component to how well you respond to propaganda (and your differential response rates to different types of propaganda), and how you will respond to different experiences, but the political opinion is to a large extent malleable.

    • Replies: @songbird
  46. @Jaakko Raipala

    When I was a teenager I believed that history had ended in American liberal capitalist victory and that Bill Clinton was a hero who was saving poor innocent Kosovo from being genocided by Nazi Serbia because that’s what everyone on TV was saying.

    Same here.

    I had some kinda racist thoughts, though, but I usually suppressed them. E.g. I remember feeling uneasy about how the majority of my (male) classmates worshipped black musicians and NBA players. (I have never cared for basketball, nor for hip-hop.)

    Then, I felt some unease at how the Japanese and other East Asians were producing better products (cars, electronics, etc.) than whites and kept steadily displacing European and American companies.

    I even had unease as a child when my friends or family members worshipped Western products and Hungarian products (the products of the command economy) were disparaged.

    But as I grew politically conscious I always suppressed these instances of unease, as I knew them to be “irrational.” It took for me to actually read about HBD and similar things to understand that it’s not irrational to prefer your race. Which is why utu’s advice of just not caring for IQ etc. sound so bad for me: I’d still be a leftist if HBD didn’t exist. And yes, the idea of a superior Jewish IQ was what initially pushed it through the threshold.

    • Agree: DFH
    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Dmitry
    , @iffen
  47. @Felix Keverich

    Actually it’ll make them a more formidable opponent in the short run. There will be no internal opposition to Russiagate style hysterias, nor will there be serious domestic opposition to the globalist agenda. Meanwhile, the whites who keep the system from falling apart will keep serving it loyally. Despite the transgender and “anti-racist” nonsense.

    As long as the US is dominated by this messianic ideology, it will be deeply hostile to Russia, and as long as enough creative and smart whites (and Asians) are willing to work for it, it will only lose ground to the rest of the world economically and technologically only very slowly. So it’ll have at least a couple of decades, and if it becomes more authoritarian (as it looks increasingly likely), it’ll probably stabilize its position.

  48. @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s ignoring geography. It would be easy to keep to Africans out of Europe unlike the US you have a freaking sea separating them. Its only about will.

  49. @Anatoly Karlin

    Travel barriers are getting increasingly less important.

  50. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Lol Rome had anarcho tyranny for decades & even Augustus barely controlled it.

    Didn’t really expand much after Caeser & slowly just gave more power to local elites until that 3rd C Civil War.

    Rome as a polity ended with Caeser & became essentially proto feudal after that.

    America basically ended in the 70s & has been treading the same direction.

    It’s only a desire for cutting edge Anglo American or German tech that keeps the world in line.

    A Japan SK Han alliance would significantly nullify or cancel that.

    If India Russia Vietnam can somehow not be retarded that’s another potential axis along with Egypt Turkey Iran.

    There are a lot of historical regional groupings that will increasingly exert independence.

    There’s no real incentive for elites to defect yet. The hot bitch you fly in from instagram today is more gratifying than potential Africans in 50 years.

    I wouldn’t really worry, Non Whites & Non Hajnal in general are far more racist than you think.

    Without christcuck circumcised Protestant there to protect their pets, you possibly have countries fire bombing Africans for fun..

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @DFH
  51. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:

    The racial question isn’t the true red pill the Women are property one is.

    Most of you here are still liberals who would be exiled from ancestral villages even a century back.

    So your homosexual urges to plot the destruction of your own race are irrelevant.

    The ultimate plan is to genetically engineer chimpanzees to have better reproduction & have them war with Negroes।।May the best Monkey Win,

    • Replies: @DFH
  52. Ender says:

    You know that if you cannot get the under 35s on your side, you are toast right?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  53. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ender

    If we wanted under 35s we’d lift & display trophy wives along with adopting extreme rhetoric to the point of triggering people from 3 centuries ago.

    We want to appeal to the 55+ crowd who read books & fuck their wives once a year.

  54. @reiner Tor

    I developed a vague dislike of muslim nationalities at an early age, mostly because of their aggressiveness, ‘miggerdom’ and general lowlife behaviour, which I witnessed both due to personal experiences in school and as a passive observer outside school. I recall wishing for their deaths several times, but beyond their ethnicity I do not remember it as being very political.

    Although I am sure there must have been a lot of propaganda in my younger years there were few examples that made a notable impact on me.

    I think it was in Junior High School or briefly before that I began paying attention to the constant insane calls for fake ‘refugees’, Syria, ‘anti-racism’, etc among my peers and teachers.

    It was only later that I discovered IQ, Jewish overrepresentation and other topics in the HBD-sphere, and even then I was sceptical for some time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @songbird
  55. @Anonymous

    Circumcision has more to do with the peculiar customs of certain Anglo-Saxon countries than it has to do with Protestantism.

    In fact, Lutheran Iceland attempted to ban circumcision completely last year.

  56. Tyrion 2 says:

    1 in 3 white American Millennials who are married or cohabiting are doing so with a partner of another race.

    Among Gen Z, it seems, the percentage will be higher still, even as white people become less than half of the population.

    Therefore, based purely on demographics and not even considering institutional power or the zeitgeist, there is no hope for white identity politics on the North American continent.

    Indeed, it seems that media really could be said to be following demographic trends.

    Thankfully, I also suspect that there is no hope for the PoC ascendancy long-term. What type of nitwit would want their spouse or sibling’s spouse or best friend’s spouse or child’s spouse to fall on the wrong side of affirmative action?

    I’m sure there’ll be some people here offended by me making the statements above, but, other than the last paragraph, I don’t really see this post as anything more than a few statements of fact. Organise your lives accordingly.

  57. @Tyrion 2

    “Thankfully, I also suspect that there is no hope for the PoC ascendancy long-term.”

    Ya especially when it’s mainly a fantasy inside the heads of blacks. I think once the Democratic electerate in places like Calforina becomes majority Asian/Hispanic and others and outnumbers the Black, White, Jew and other tradtional democrtic voters I think the quality will improve significantly. I mean Asians and Hispanics would get offened by ideas like reperations for slavery. Of course this is being optomistic because the first chance this may have happend we got Kamala Harris and that makes me think we are going to get even more fucked but if you look at the details she mainly won becuause of the organized campiaghn against Sanchez. Unlike in 2016 in 2018 Kevin de León was actually the worst of the two but he still got 46 percent of the vote against Dianne Feinstein even tho he was not trying to beat her he was running an issues campigh. If an hispanic that appealed to rural white republicans had ran he probaly could have betean Feinstein and with Calforina’s top two this is not an impossible scenario.

  58. DFH says:
    @Anonymous

    Rome as a polity ended with Caeser & became essentially proto feudal after that.

    Complete nonsense, the empire under the principate was not ‘proto-feudal’, it was ruled either by clients or centrally appointed governors

  59. Kerubi says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Based on my experince as a high school teacher, I totally agree with your view. Young people today are frighteningly conformist and career-oriented. Such people are no revolutionary strike force. I have noticed that even when you notice signs of “rebellion” and “idealism” in young people, their ideas are just more extreme versions of dominant ideology. They are certainly no risk-takers with their ideological positions.

  60. DFH says:
    @Anonymous

    Most of you here are still liberals who would be exiled from ancestral villages even a century back.

    I think you might have to go back a little further than a century. My great grandmother was running a large organisation a century ago (not saying that that’s a good thing)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  61. anon[711] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for the daily black pill. At this time, all alt-right blogs, podcasts, tweets etc.. are nothing than gloom and doom, and they are not alone.
    It might make you feel better if you learn that radical left feels the same. Watch them, follow some hard-left tweets and you will heard that fascism is rising all over the world, apocalypse is imminent, everyone is traitor and sellout, everything is lost. Are both sides wrong, is one side right, are both right?

  62. Ender says:

    Honest question, why do people here despise Muslims so much, given that they are pretty much the only political force that have managed to carry out their political and cultural aims semi successfully over the past generation, and that even moderatish people like Talha still adhere to strict Koranic orthodoxy, unlike American Episcopalians and British Anglicans. Don’t you people think that you could learn a thing or two from political Islam about how to carry own your political and cultural programs against the liberals reasonably successfully? I mean even secular Muslim countries like Egypt and Syria tend to be conservative by Western standards because of the political force of Islamic conservatism. I mean look at how pretty much every Muslim Malay woman in Malaysia right now wears a head scarf even in cosmopolitan big cities like Kuala Lumpur, whereas 25 years ago wearing a head scarf was the exception more than the rule, this is due to the success of conservative Islam as a political and cultural force, and their organizational abilities which conservatives in the West lack, and also their willingness to resort to shall we say, unorthodox methods to carry out their aims. Now I am not saying that conservative should ram a truck bomb or a car bomb at your nearest gay bar, gay pride march, or strip club, or even use political violence, I am just saying should definitely study how political Islam manages to achieve its political and cultural aims in the face of secular opposition, to the extent that it is the seculars who are pandering to Islamic values, as can be seen in the Indonesian presidential election, instead of the opposite.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Anonymous
    , @dfordoom
  63. Miro23 says:

    We haven’t come close to seeing the end of this nonsense.

    Having a Generation Z in the family, this is what it looks like.

    The PC agenda is heavily pushed by the schools (for example the introduction of the Winter Holiday rather than Christmas, and obligatory multicultural images in everything) and it’s across the board. In a light sort of way I suggested that the government account of 9/11 might not be true, and was severely reprimanded with “We don’t go down Rabbit Holes like that!”.

    They laugh about LGBT, take multiculturalism as the norm, condemn “racism” but are not really bothered about any of it. It just seems to be the background, with the real, and very serious focus, on a whole set of multiplayer video games where they meet up for hours online communicating with their battle group through headphones, plan their tactics, check rankings and weapons etc. Actually it’s become my favourite spectator sport, with beautiful realism and tons of possibilities for creativity and planning.

    Real life for them, seems to be something that you work through – studying, exams, sports etc. and I would guess that they would approach work in the same way. Something necessary to do until they can get back to the game. In other words and addiction.

    The last remaining hope for a relatively homogenous and functional White population far into the future lies east of the Oder, and is dependent on the stability of the Soviet Freezer that made them that way.

    I’m not so sure about that either. There are plenty of “East of the Oder” players in these games (actually very good) running their own teams (inc. loads of Russians) including their own “sqeakers” who sound like about 11- 12 years old and are greeted with much humour and distain.

    IMO governments build the “background” to all this. In the West it’s clearly PC, and East of the Oder it’s more nationalist but I get the feeling that it’s still background.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @German_reader
  64. LondonBob says:
    @Miro23

    American universities and the education system in general is extremely ideological, young people will grow out of it.

    It is inevitable the US will go either full Chavez or militarised white led police state, the Latin American way. Things can change very quickly.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  65. iffen says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    saving poor innocent Kosovo from being genocided by Nazi Serbia

    He didn’t? Who did?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  66. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    still be a leftist if

    This is probably a problem.

    These people move from one extreme to another (because the views on both sides are psychologically more similar than different).

    For me I cannot understand people who move from one view to another – it seems like they are joining different religious cults.

    The only new thing I have learned (related to politics) since I was a child, is that economic planning is impossible, and that it is human nature that stronger groups will try to destroy weaker groups (then retrospectively try to invent some logical justification in modern language).

  67. Dmitry says:
    @LondonBob

    American politics has been continuous since 1865, with incremental change.

    If population of American becomes incrementally more stupid, more socialist, more latino (etc) – then surely American political system just adapts to become incrementally more more stupid, more socialist, more latino, etc?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  68. g2k says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    You need to be very careful when going down this road. Social safety nets notwithstanding, a lot of northern European countries have confiscatory income and sales taxes, but very low wealth and capital gains taxes. This means that old money becomes entrenched, but potential smart young upstarts are nipped in the bud unless they emigrate. They also have extremely authoritarian cultures with respect to booze and family life etc. Not places I’d like to live in.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  69. Dmitry says:
    @Ender

    success of conservative Islam as a political and cultural force

    Conservatism valuable in relation to what it is conserved.

    If you have an advanced and successful society, then conservatism is valuable (to conserve the civilization).

    If you have a primitive dystopia (like many Muslim societies), then conservatism is something chaining you to continued failure.

    Conservatism for an Englishman, who wants to conserve the factors which created the civilized environment of Cambridge and Kensington – it is rational.

    On the other hand, for someone who lives in Turkey, where modernization and movement towards civilization has been retarded by Islamism – then this kind of conservatism is a burden.

    More simply. Imagine you see a beautiful art museum, full of masterworks of civilization. The rational thing is to want to conserve it.

    But what about an abandoned junkyard with some primitive rubbish? A person who wants to conserve the junkyard, is an idiot.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  70. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    I’d still be a leftist if HBD didn’t exist.

    I’m a leftist before and after. In fact, knowledge of it strengthens some of my leftist opinions and support for certain “socialist” policies and positions.

    HBD does not require one to join the Nazi party or start one.

    IOW, becoming cognizant of genetic facts and the science does not dictate Nazism.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @dfordoom
  71. @g2k

    The rest I would say is correct, but what do you mean by authoritarian family life?

    There is a lot of authoritarianism in various social spheres, but I don’t see how family relations are particularly authoritarian.

    • Replies: @g2k
  72. Blacks are treated less fairly than whites though, in many respects. Affirmative action and diversity set-asides don’t cancel out their on-the-ground lived experiences being treated worse.

    However it totally makes sense that blacks get treated worse. Whites have had patterns of experiences with blacks that lead them to be more suspicious and wary of them, so it totally makes sense that blacks would get treated worse.

    The question these kinds of polls should be asking isn’t “Are blacks treated less fairly than whites?” but rather “If blacks are treated less fairly than whites, does it make sense that they are treated less fairly?” or “Is it morally acceptable that the most criminal group in society receives the worst collective treatment?” or “Does forced diversity inevitably cause some groups to be treated worse?”

    Personally I do believe blacks are treated unfairly but that doesn’t mean I’m “cucking”. Quite the contrary. I’m fine with them being treated worse because they deserve it (statistically) and whites clearly don’t want diversity anyway. If whites had gotten what we wanted, the average black person would never even need to worry about white people giving him the benefit of the doubt as there would be no white authority figures (or any white people at all) in his life.

    Being honest about the worse treatment of blacks doesn’t mean you necessarily feel guilty about it or think that we need to do more for blacks.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  73. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH

    I don’t think it has to be mentioned that Anglos aren’t people

    • Replies: @DFH
  74. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ender

    Because Islam literally survives due to retarded Hajnal line faggots.

    The Pajeets & Slavs would have wiped them out by now. Islam hasn’t won a major battle against non Muslims since pretty much the 1600s

    • Replies: @melanf
  75. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Therefore, based purely on demographics and not even considering institutional power or the zeitgeist, there is no hope for white identity politics on the North American continent.

    Because everyone knows minorities don’t do identity politics.

    • Replies: @iffen
  76. @songbird

    Germany was about 5% Jewish

    No, it was much less, iirc about 1-2% (between 500 000 and 600 000).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @songbird
  77. iffen says:
    @Rosie

    Because everyone knows minorities don’t do identity politics.

    The white one won’t. At least not the identity politics that you envision.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  78. A question these polls never ask:What exactly are you willing to give up for being a White Racial Minority in post-White America?…and variations on this most interesting poll question….

  79. Parbes says:
    @Dmitry

    “The danger in the future for America would be mostly if the “anti-capitalist” ideologies (that detoured so many countries) could become more popular among their youth.”

    The danger in the future for Russia would be mostly if the “neoliberal capitalist” ideologies (that are already wrecking the economies and societies of so many countries around the world) could become more popular among their youth – propounded by globalist and Atlanticist Russian Jewish twerps like you.

    Why are you so concerned with “the danger in the future for America”, anyway – when the regime of that “America” is the sworn enemy of “your” country, Russia, and committed to destroying her any which way they can?

    IDIOT.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  80. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hyperborean

    I never really listened to anything in school & eventually just concluded that niggers are cowardly, muslims just sister fuckers, christcucks &

    Pagang worships Weapons as a form of the Goddess.

    Norseman would get English women as concubines just from combing their long hair.

    https://reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/the-common-root-of-all-modern-political-discourse/

    Nazis is also liberals so we need Aryan Monarchy with proper pre Christcuck tribes.

    We will definitely get it too, no amount of foreign pussy can absorb our innate aggressiveness.

    • Replies: @DFH
    , @Rosie
  81. Perhaps these polls of should be viewed as a measure of the scale of cognitive dissonance?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  82. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Parbes

    He’s a Russian jew who enjoys traveling the world, especially visiting poor places while wearing expensive Nike sneakers.

    Not even making this up, 😂

    • Replies: @Parbes
  83. @iffen

    He didn’t? Who did?

    Serb rule in Kosovo was oppressive, but there was no “genocide”.
    By those standards you should be agitating for US bombing of Tel Aviv, because of Israel’s “genocide” against the Palestinians.

    • Replies: @iffen
  84. Let’s come up with alternative polling questions to ask these White Teens…..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  85. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    No,

    Nationalists are also pseudo egalitarians so don’t view it from the perspective of an average fag.

    Average fag in traditional society is a eunuch or shares his wife with the prince.

    In neo liberal one, dumb asian or latina who thinks neo liberalism is a thing goes for beta white man.

    Why would any physically weak soyboy ever oppose his own reproductive opportunity.

    Beyond just regular iq think of a political & or fighting IQ with significant overlap.

    Most cannot view world as inter connected grid (Indra’s Net) whereby they can make connection between statistical average, and individual.

    Most high iq are also sheep.

    Jews don’t have high political iq because they lose the game by default by being matrilineal. 😂🤣

    If I see a negro genius I realize there are a 1000 idiots he left behind in the ghetto. If I see a white nerd I see the failing of the beatings delivered by an older brother 😔

    Tldr too many people are blinded by the 50-70s golden age where any normal fag could get family.

    Ignores traditional norm of 50% death by puberty & of that what % was even married, out of men that is?

    What % of that had loyal, stable wives & not concubine of some roving prince.

    Soyboys wanting 3/10 asian thots explains much of this.

    🤷 Gotta outfuck the negro muslim coalition

  86. An alternative polling question for White Teenagers

    Do you support a policy of enslaving all teenage White Males on Ophra Winfrey’s Plantation…..Lebron James’s Planatation….And Michele Obama’s Plantation…..

  87. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    I’m pretty sure once you control for obesity they’re pretty based.

    Orthodoxy or Orthopraxy.

    Let’s get them battle ready first,

    The quickest way to red pill any male is make him ‘hot’ (lift)

    He’ll quickly be disgusted by the too much to cope with attention by females around average.

    With that, must move to seeking only rarer elite women due to time energy constraints.

    Rare women = precious resource = fight = tribalism to secure high quality mates = Monarchist

    A young man can endure any pain, but the affections of an ugly woman.

  88. @Anonymous

    Another alternative poll question:

    Do you support the hardcore NONWHITE RACIAL TRIBALISM of POTUS Kamala Harris’s Democratic Party Voting Bloc?

  89. @reiner Tor

    For Hungary, Slovakia would be formidable opponent. Russia can handle this shit. The important thing is that America will keep going down. Russia, so long as it can avoid “democratisation”, will keep going up.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  90. Another Alternative Polling Question for White Teens:

    Do you agree that importing one million highly racialized Hindu Legal Immigrant Democratic Party Voters a year into California…..and…..one million highly highly racialized Chinese Legal Immigrants Democratic Party Voters into California every year…will go a long way to help California protect its endangered plant species and endangered mammal species and California’s glorious Giant Red Wood Trees?

  91. @Anonymous

    I completely agree with your approach:reframe the problem as a highly constrained physics-engineering boundary value problem……

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  92. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    Serb rule in Kosovo was oppressive, but there was no “genocide”.
    By those standards you should be agitating for US bombing of Tel Aviv, because of Israel’s “genocide” against the Palestinians.

    If you are unaware that Balkan conflicts are and have been about ethnic cleansing you are not nearly as smart as I thought you were.

    I wasn’t agitating for intervention in the Balkans. I am in favor of retrenchment, (includes withdrawing from Ramstein), laying down our white man’s burden and the belief that we are obligated to bring (by force if necessary) American style democracy to the world. I merely gave my opinion that given the hundreds, if not more, military interventions by the US, this one appears to have saved lives (for the time being).

    I have no emotional, cultural, political, religious or ideological connections to the Palestinians.

    Are you seriously proposing that the conflict in the Holy Land is genocide? And if so, the wars in the Balkans are not?

    FWIW, I don’t attach the label to either situation; more territorial conflict than any other description.

    Hardcore Zionists and Jew-phobes make everything about Israel. 🙂

    • Replies: @German_reader
  93. More on the subject of “blackpill”: Brazil’s Bolsonaro is behaving like just another corrupt Latin American politician.

    I said it here first: Bolsonaro = Macri

  94. Corvinus says:
    @Hyperborean

    “Let us hope that the centrifugal forces of the meteques accelerate the paralysis and, ultimately, the destruction of this moribund multi-ethnic empire sooner rather than later.”

    So are you going to be a driving force behind this “rebirth”, or remain on the couch eating Cheetos? Put up or shut up.

    Now, to the topic at hand…

    “Audacious Epigone has marshalled a great deal of tantalizing evidence in support of this theory over the years.”

    The reality is that the majority of Generation Z is not going to become “based” or “shitlords”. His “evidence” is making his own interpretations, which is rooted in confirmation AND recency bias, from several graphs and charts. Indeed, a small segment of this group are convinced that “racial egalitarianism” equates to the dispossessing of white men from their own countries. But the data points are derived from the Election of 2016, when Obama and Democrats were the ruling ideology. The disenchanted and cynical segment of the younger male voters became opposed to that ruling ideology of the previous eight years…and sure as hell were not going to vote into the Oval Office a shrill. One must carefully consider that 1) Trump is not a Republican nor a conservative, 2) Hillary was a monumentally weak candidate, and 3) voters had to select the lesser of two evils.

    Big, brash Trump was a novelty to kids. His act, however, is getting stale. More importantly, where are these subsequent Trump-like candidates who have run or will be running for political office that Generation Z is backing? Perhaps Audacious Epigone could heed the call…

    The fact is that Generation Z is racially and socially diverse. They were born and raised on multiculturalism steroids. Moreover, Generation Z is liberal-moderate on social issues, but moderate-conservative on fiscal and security issues, fitting the mold of (gasp) a moderate Republican, or cuck. Generation Z support for marriage equality and civil rights–there goes the Alt Right platform, and moderate-conservative with fiscal and security issues. They tend to lean independent, but their inclinations generally fit moderate Republicans. Perhaps Generation Z will be more conservative than Millennials, but they are not actively seeking out the GOP unless it takes steps to conform to their social views.

    Besides, all it takes is a social media push to further expose what Alt Right leaders like Brett Stevens and Mark Citadel desire–a return to an absolute monarchy that brutally crushes dissent, fiercely opposes modernity, and pervasively undermines individual liberty. Generation Z is assuredly not on board with such an agenda.

    It is also worthwhile to note that teenagers are beginning to understand the political process, and that their views are in constant flux at this age. Youth cannot be taken for granted as to how they lean politically. Consider that the surveys that AE used caution that the respondents lack significant engagement in politics, which could mean that they are parroting the positions by their parents, or could mean that they have merely formed a basic understanding of the Republican-Democrat, conservative-liberal paradigms.

    Furthermore, Generation Z will not reach the age when they can take the reins of institutions for a couple of decades (2040’s). By that time, non-white births will be in a clear super-majority–death to “whitey”, right? To quote one of AE’s posters, “It is much more likely that Generation Z radicals will be the discordant 10% of the population, a hated and despised a rump group which is radical but powerless, and often used as foil by the authorities to whip up unity by portraying them as the common enemy.”

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  95. @iffen

    If you are unaware that Balkan conflicts are and have been about ethnic cleansing you are not nearly as smart as I thought you were.

    There was no prospect of the Serbs expelling Albanians en masse from Kosovo prior to NATO’s intervention, “Horseshoe plan” was in all likelihood made up. The Serbs were conducting a (probably somewhat brutal) counter-insurgency operation, not committing large-scale expulsions.
    NATO’s intervention however did lead to the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from large parts of Kosovo.

    Are you seriously proposing that the conflict in the Holy Land is genocide? And if so, the wars in the Balkans are not?

    Neither are, as should have been clear from my comment (I put “genocide” in quotes after all). Both are conflicts about territory, in which identifying one side as genocidal monsters and the other as innocent angels is distorting reality.
    I brought up Israel, because of your well-known pro-Israel sentiment, and because imo there are similarities between Serb nationalism and Zionism (e.g. their claims to perpetual victimhood based on past suffering, claiming land – Kosovo, Judaea/Samaria – on historical grounds and disregarding the fact that other groups – Albanians, Arabs – have lived there for many centuries). Yet we all know that American reaction to both phenomena has been rather different.

    • Replies: @iffen
  96. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Let’s get them battle ready first”

    How are YOU prepared for this “battle”?

    “Rare women = precious resource = fight = tribalism to secure high quality mates = Monarchist”

    OK, now you need to offer an explanation that will prove this equation. In other words, what makes you believe that millions of Generation Z will seriously entertain the notion, at worst, or become dedicated to the cause, at best, of “monarchism”?

    You have a TON of work here to do. Looking forward to it…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  97. melanf says:
    @Anonymous

    Islam hasn’t won a major battle against non Muslims since pretty much the 1600s

    gallipoli?

  98. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Rare women = precious resource = fight = tribalism to secure high quality mates = Monarchist

    I can’t help but notice that these (((anons))) are always trying to change the subject.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Anonymous
  99. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    The Serbs were conducting a (probably somewhat brutal) counter-insurgency operation, not committing large-scale expulsions.

    I will defer to your better knowledge of the facts. I still hold to the idea that it was one of our “least wrong” interventions.

    claiming land

    Robert Alter’s Genesis:

    Chapter 15
    On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your seed I have given this land from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates…

    Genesis: Translation and Commentary . W. W. Norton & Company. Kindle Edition.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  100. @iffen

    Robert Alter’s Genesis:

    Seriously?
    I really don’t want to get into a discussion about this (contrary to what you seem to think, I’m not obsessed with the Israel/Palestine issue, my main point was about NATO’s Kosovo intervention; and both issues are off-topic in this thread)…but basing territorial claims in the 21st century on ancient religious texts from two and a half millennia ago isn’t terribly convincing imo.

    • Replies: @iffen
  101. songbird says:
    @reiner Tor

    Even if you could theoretically blanket control the media, and change people’s opinions, you can’t in reality because you can’t take control of the media in this multicult environment. It already has leftist tendencies to start, before the multiculturalism. Now it is locked in to a commitment to diversity because diversity is the environment.

    Short of the Chinese nuking Hollywood or machine gunning media moguls, it seems we are locked into the current Hollywood propaganda dominating the West. Competition could arise, but that won’t convince the left. At minimum, you’d need a monopoly to do that.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  102. songbird says:
    @Hyperborean

    As late as the 5th grade, Muslims were nearly mythical beings to me. I had only known one or two people who had ever seen one and we laughed at their stories of women covered head to toe like ninjas.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  103. @Dmitry

    I wasn’t very extreme back then, nor am I now.

  104. @Miro23

    very serious focus, on a whole set of multiplayer video games

    Supposedly that’s a really serious issue with many teenagers. One reads a lot of horror stories about them becoming addicted to games like Fortnite, e.g.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/fortnite-addiction-video-games-rehab-children-battle-royale-parents-a8665071.html

    Maybe it’s just the latest unfounded moral panic about bad influences on the young, but I do think it might be a problem; the escapism provided by games might make accepting the current system easier.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  105. @iffen

    I agree. HBD doesn’t mean you have to go Nazi. I didn’t, for example. So what is your point?

    • Replies: @iffen
  106. @German_reader

    Yes, roughly half a million, which made them less than 1% of the roughly 70 million population.

  107. @Felix Keverich

    Slovakia is never taken seriously. It’s also weaker than Hungary, even if better on a per capita basis.

    Anyway, the US is much stronger than Russia, and will stay much stronger for several decades into the future. You are complacent and underestimate your enemies, any and all enemies. Russia is currently not improving much economically, its GDP hasn’t grown much for a decade or so.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  108. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I remember being surprised when I heard the percentage. I guess it has been so long since I heard it, I’m been moving back towards the original media-mediated impression. I suppose I should have looked it up. There must have been a lot in Poland, but I guess that is not the same thing, since Hitler was anti-slav.

    Even now, I’m surprised to find that the majority in Germany emigrated in the lead up. It does seem like it was the official policy originally to encourage them to leave. That makes one wonder about Buchanan’s contention that the holocaust basically happened because we invaded Europe.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  109. @Rosie

    This one is a Hindu, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  110. @Anonymous

    What are NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS willing to give up for being voted into a White Racial Minority-White Racial Foreigner within the borders of America….this is the highly constrained-boundary value problem……The real physical world really does exist…..it will announce it’s self soon enough…..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  111. @songbird

    You’d need a dictatorship where leftist editors and hidden leftist messages lead to similar (or worse) consequences as supposed “racism” in the Current Year. After a few years of paranoia about hidden leftist messages editors and movie producers would be working overtime to avoid ever being perceived as leftists.

  112. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    I’d still be a leftist if HBD didn’t exist.

    My point is that you don’t have to give up being a leftist because of HBD just like HBD does not dictate far right politics. Apparently you attribute HBD as the influence that caused you to give up being a leftist. I accept your belief as to yourself, but I reject any generalization from your experience.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @German_reader
  113. @songbird

    There must have been a lot in Poland, but I guess that is not the same thing

    iirc Jews were about 10% of the population in Poland. And they were a separate nation, with many of them not even speaking Polish (whereas Jews in Germany were mostly quite assimilated, with significant intermarriage). I’m not convinced Germany did have a real “Jewish problem” in 1933, but Poland certainly had one, similarly maybe in some ways to what’s going on with Muslims in Western Europe today.

    Even now, I’m surprised to find that the majority in Germany emigrated in the lead up.

    I think a majority of German Jews actually survived the 1933-1945 era (don’t know how many were killed…maybe 100 000? Still a lot, but the vast majority of Holocaust victims were from Poland, the Soviet Union and Hungary).

    That makes one wonder about Buchanan’s contention that the holocaust basically happened because we invaded Europe.

    That might go somewhat too far, but yes, the decision for full-scale genocide was only taken in 1941.
    Even in late 1940 top-level Nazis like Himmler and Heydrich were still considering the “Madagascar plan” (shipping off Jews to Madagascar), and iirc Himmler even said that it would be “unGermanic and Bolshevik-like” to physically destroy an entire people.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @songbird
  114. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Army

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  115. @German_reader

    My boss told me it’s now almost a second job for him trying to prevent his son (14) from playing video games or being online otherwise all the time. He said it’s very difficult to set passwords etc., because “there’s always this Asian kid or whoever in the class who will know how to hack it and he will tell the others.” It’s almost impossible without physically removing the computer from his room. He said (I don’t get paid for this) that the Sony Playstation is way better than the Xbox, because it was designed with parental control in view.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  116. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Getting young men & women to marry early is better than political rhetoric.

    I’m guessing you’re ugly?

  117. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    I think we can now conclusively answer that.
    The last remaining hope for a relatively homogenous and functional White population far into the future lies east of the Oder, and is dependent on the stability of the Soviet Freezer that made them that way.

    both issues are off-topic in this thread)

    In view of AK’s next to last paragraph, I don’t think so, but that may just be me.

  118. @iffen

    I already had a lot of racist thoughts (my unease about worshipping black athletes etc.) which I suppressed because I thought they were irrational. Other leftists might not have that unease, so they might stay leftist. I don’t know how many people are similar to me, but there must be some.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @songbird
  119. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    Yes, a Hindu says young men should be integrated back into the physical culture & have lots of kids.

    Men need a shared goal to rally around, Rosie & her idea of a white man should be a cuckold instead of getting an Asian wife ignores reality.

    That you take a woman seriously shows both Magyar and other Turks are racial enemy.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  120. @iffen

    Define “leftist” and “far right”.
    Maybe an HBD-accepting left is theoretically possible, but in reality leftism today means increasingly demented egalitarianism where no differences at all between individuals or groups are seen as natural. Even the basic division of humanity into male and female is no longer regarded as uncontroversial after all since that transgender madness (a sign of a truly sick civilization) became prominent a few years ago.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @iffen
  121. @reiner Tor

    We are competing for control of Eastern Europe, where the costs of projecting power are much lower for Russia, than for USA. This isn’t some abstract dick-measuring contest between Russia and America, it is about application of power to a particular region of the world: US will lose Eastern Europe long before it gets eclipsed by Russia economically.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  122. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Don’t know, you have to ignore the prospect of failure to keep fighting 🤷

  123. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    That might go somewhat too far, but yes, the decision for full-scale genocide was only taken in 1941.

    I think you mean the implementation decision was made.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @German_reader
  124. Anonymous[434] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Anything but a King who considers the Swastika holy is far left

    If this is deranged & unrealistic, so what?

    Deranged faggots who consider women citizens & niggers human are presently ruling the world.

  125. @reiner Tor

    He said (I don’t get paid for this) that the Sony Playstation is way better than the Xbox

    The solution to that would be simple: just don’t buy your children a video game console.
    Limiting access to computers and the internet is obviously more difficult, since one needs to be familiar with them in today’s world. But a console just for gaming isn’t necessary.
    Parents need to provide some alternative for their children though, not just ban stuff and leave it at that; I guess some cooperative effort between like-minded parents would be needed.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Miro23
  126. @iffen

    If your long term goal is to exterminate all Jews, then letting them emigrate to another continent makes little sense, doesn’t it?

    • Replies: @iffen
  127. @iffen

    I think you mean the implementation decision was made.

    No, I mean it like I wrote it, in all likelihood there was no clear design for a continent-wide genocide of Jews before 1941; it was more a result of cumulative radicalization and events during 1941 (which the Nazis had mostly brought about themselves, so that isn’t meant as an absolution from responsibility in a “things just happened” way; there was a conscious decision for genocide that wasn’t inevitable).
    Unless I’m mistaken, that’s also the position of many mainstream Holocaust historians like Christopher Browning (whose books I haven’t read yet, but reiner tor has, and has commented about them in the past iirc).

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  128. @German_reader

    My comment just got lost.

    It’s not that expensive. He worked a job and so could buy a console himself, maybe not the latest model. The father gave him money on condition of buying a PlayStation. I don’t know how much it costs, but apparently it’s not so easy to just totally prohibit it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  129. @Dmitry

    These people move from one extreme to another (because the views on both sides are psychologically more similar than different).

    Most people in their teens and early 20s are not strongly interested in politics and they’re just likely to absorb the views all talk show hosts promote as their default, lukewarm worldview, not as an extreme ideology. If they get interested in politics once in the mid-twenties as people often do, they’re likely to realize that they used to believe a lot of propaganda which isn’t the same thing as becoming an “extremist”.

    Me, I actually was interested in politics and joined a political party as a teenager, a short lived liberal party that emerged after the collapse of the USSR. We thought that “social liberal, economically free market” was the way to go and gathered together a party of disillusioned leftists who had abandoned central planning and triumphant right-wingers who thought that we no longer needed all that social conservative protectionism when the USSR was dead and history had ended in a “right-wing” victory.

    We had pretty damn good funding for a new political party, yet we imploded pretty fast. Today, it seems like literally everyone who was in the party as a “disillusioned leftist” is now again a leftist (but now we supposedly need central planning to fight “global warming”, not because it’s the way to material utopia) and everyone who came from a right-wing background is right-wing again. Even for those of us who were very interested in politics when young there wasn’t a switching from extremes to another, there was just a brief moment when we came together as right-liberals and left-liberals and then quickly decided that we really don’t like each other after all.

    That was unusual though because we were young during a rapid political realignment when we thought that the old rules wouldn’t apply. But it was a foreshadowing of the new divide – rich people love “social liberal, economically free market” ideas but this ideology has no voter base whatsoever whereas “social conservative, economically leftist” is liked by a big voter block of working class and lower middle class people but it has no elite support whatsoever.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  130. @German_reader

    Yes. Nazi policy up until the last months of 1941 wasn’t very coherent and was not consistent with a long term centrally coordinated plan of total extermination. Sure they were okay with killing Jews. But they didn’t think it through. If that was Hitler’s plan from the outset, he just didn’t tell anyone. Certainly not Himmler.

  131. @reiner Tor

    Hmm, that makes sense.
    I don’t have children myself, so I might well underestimate the problems.
    In any case, right-wingers need to think about what to do with gamers (contrary to what one often reads, my impression is that there are many, many SJW gamers).

  132. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    I already had a lot of racist thoughts (my unease about worshipping black athletes etc.)

    I am not sure that I am following the racist thoughts/black athletes connection here.

    If one admires the athletic greats in a particular sport, but for racial prejudice reasons, dislike the black athletes in that sport then refusal to accept their status based upon their athletic skill and ability would qualify as racist. IMO, celebrity worship in general is not a good thing, singling out the black celebrities is not necessary to be adverse to celebrity worship.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  133. @Felix Keverich

    The US is currently getting stronger, not weaker, in that region. Countries which previously had little interest in joining the West are now moving there. At least two such countries, Belarus and Ukraine. The latter just decided since 2005, the former is moving that way right now. Either you are totally unreasonable, or you expect a major war, which might conquer Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic states (and if you’re lucky, it won’t result in a nuclear war), but which (and the resulting hard occupation regime) will consume all of Russia’s resources, and will also cut other countries off from Russia and push them strongly in the American orbit.

  134. @Anonymous

    There is no other option then to fight….the other option is a genocidal racial extermination order signed by POTUS ALEXANDRIA ORTIZ OCASIO….

  135. LondonBob says:
    @Dmitry

    American politics had been continuous until 1860.

  136. Mitleser says:
    @reiner Tor

    The latter just decided since 2005

    Actually, since the 1990s which made them no different from RF.

    the former is moving that way right now

    Lukashenko wants to preserve his realm.
    I don’t see that being compatible with “joining the West”.

  137. songbird says:
    @reiner Tor

    I think we (whites) are nearly all prey to the idea of wanting to get along to varying degrees.

    I’ve always been somewhat conservative. I didn’t like Bill Clinton when he came into office, even though I was pretty young. Since I was a stupid kid, I actually drew a picture of someone firing a bullet at him in elementary school. I don’t remember if it lined up with his head or not, but one women complemented me on it. I was not reprimanded that I can recall. I hate to think what would have happened to a kid if he did the same with Obama.

    Still, I remember seeing these ads at a young age – where they would have 3 people and only 1 would be white. One person would be black and the other Asian or Hispanic. You would see it constantly. Sometimes they would be men. Sometimes women, or children. I recognized it as artificial, but I didn’t have a problem with it because I had been brainwashed in school by the MLK myth.

    Eventually, my understanding of politics evolved:
    1.). You can’t buy the status quo. Only a trend. (And it will be negative)
    2.). Egalitarianism is driven by instinct. It is therefore insatiable, so don’t feed it.

  138. g2k says:
    @Hyperborean

    Sorry, wasn’t clear enough. I mean that the social services are very trigger happy with respect to taking children away from their families. It must be bad if even the bbc is criticising it.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/norways_hidden_scandal

    On top of that, there’s arab-like liquor laws, high prices, high taxes, draconian driving laws and extreme feminism. GR, rightly, criticises the political culture in Germany, but at least it doesn’t have those things.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Mitleser
  139. iffen says:
    @German_reader

    Define “leftist” and “far right”.

    Above my pay grade.

    increasingly demented egalitarianism

    Not my leftism. I want economic fairness for proles.

    I think of you and RT and others here as rightists, not Nazi right, although there are some here.

  140. @g2k

    criticises the political culture in Germany, but at least it doesn’t have those things.

    Germany does have high taxes.
    Also increasingly deranged feminism. Maybe not as bad as in the Nordic countries, but the Social Democrats have just proposed a quota for women in parliament (because “only” a third of mps are female, and that’s supposedly an urgent problem).

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  141. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    Long term goals in mind: Don’t try to do a two-front war.

    I think they wanted to be rid of the Jews; killing them or allowing emigration was contingent upon the exact circumstances of the moment.

  142. Mitleser says:
    @g2k

    On top of that, there’s arab-like liquor laws, high prices, high taxes, draconian driving laws and extreme feminism.

    Why is that bad?

  143. @reiner Tor

    On the other hand, due to the sheer amount of Russians already visiting and living in Western Europe, plus the Cold War being a distant memory, and with 30-50% approval rating uniformly across the board, once millennials and Gen-Z take the reigns in Europe, there should be pretty solid Russian lobbies across the board, if not multiple pro-Russian governments in Europe. At least sanctions will probably be out of the window.

    And as the European economy falters further due to the inevitable unraveling of the EU + demographic issues, combined with a much less Sovok post-Putin govt, its highly likely there will even large, healthy European expat populations in Moscow and St. Petersburg by 2030-2040, either significantly expanding the Russian offices of their hometown companies or even establishing themselves as Russia-based entrepreneurs.

    Of course, this is assuming that the US doesn’t somehow pin down Europe.

  144. Mitleser says:
    @German_reader

    And the Merkel party is not opposed to that non-sense.

    The CDU/CSU faction has shown itself open for a women’s quota in the Bundestag. The CDU/CSU faction was saddened by the fact that “the proportion of women in the German Bundestag is currently only 30 percent”, said Yvonne Magwas, leader of the CDU/CSU women’s group in the Bundestag.

    “It is wise and future-oriented if more women work in parliaments. That must be a permanent topic.” This applies not only to the parties, but also to a forthcoming reform of electoral law. “The increase in the proportion of women must be discussed in the electoral law reform,” the Saxon MEP demanded. For democracy only works “if women and men are equally involved”.

    Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator
    https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2019/union-offen-fuer-frauenquote-im-bundestag/

  145. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I’ve heard that pre-Nazi Berlin was pretty decadent. I saw some video of it many years ago and was really shocked (and I wasn’t the only one.) I don’t if that was just a subculture, or whether it was making its way into the general culture.

    I know when Jewish people talk about Germany, they often mention the Berlin art scene of that time. (Music, etc). I don’t know how connected it all was – I suppose a lot of the music was classical and so not problematic.

    Still, in America at about that time, Hollywood had fairly successfully been put under control under a democratic system. But, of course, the urban centers were quite white then.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    , @Pericles
  146. DFH says:
    @Anonymous

    True, our superiority to other races can only be explained by our descent from Hyperborean aliens

  147. DFH says:
    @Anonymous

    Pagang worships Weapons as a form of the Goddess.

    Imagine being such a faggot on a metaphysical level that you worship a ‘Goddess’ lol

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  148. The Covington Catholic High School incident yesterday……Generation Zyclon Gas in the making…….

    White Males wearing MAGA!!! Hats in the summer of 2020….at great risk of having their heads blown off by the homosexual PEDERAST ANTIFA…..

    • Agree: Rosie
  149. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Army”.

    What you proposed requires more than a generic one word response. Again, you have a TON of work to do to offer an explanation that will prove your equation.

    Are you up to the challenge or are you going to be a clown? YOU choose.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  150. @AquariusAnon

    once millennials and Gen-Z take the reigns in Europe, there should be pretty solid Russian lobbies across the board

    That depends how European-Russian relations develop. If Felix Keverich’s policy proposals became reality, there would be widespread anti-Russian sentiment (well beyond the hysterical liberals and centrists who are currently obsessed with Russia).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  151. Mitleser says:
    @songbird

    Keep in mind that the 1920s were a new era for Berlin (and Germany).
    The Republican system was still shaky, fighting decadence not a priority/option.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @songbird
  152. @Mitleser

    That subculture was mostly limited to Berlin and maybe a few other large cities anyway.
    And homosexuality was never decriminalized during the Weimar republic.

  153. @AquariusAnon

    Or Russian students who pick up the poz in European universities will hasten the infection in Russia. That’s how it looks based on my anecdotal experience at the university of Helsinki – no difference between Finnish and Russian students and Russia can mostly expect pozzed Atlanticist democratic liberals returning from here. Even worse, we have several American and EU NGOs and think tanks who are specifically interested in getting Eastern European students in “human rights studies” and the like and it’s not hard to figure out what’s happening there.

    Of course if you’ve spoken to, say, russified Volga Germans in Germany you get a vastly different impression but there aren’t a lot of such communities in Europe and some unpozzed working class guys matter less than smart pozzed university students and relatives of oligarchs who hang out with European elites.

    There’s nothing happening in the other direction and Russia does not have any ideological alternative to the poz to offer so the influence is overwhelmingly likely to go from pozzed Europe towards pozzing Russia rather than the other way around.

  154. thegenius says:

    It’s actually not hot air. Polls are generally unreliable. You need step back and look at the whole trajectory of the US economy. US economy is slowly transforming from an information technology/financial economy into an economy dominated by the exporting of natural resources (oil, natural gas). And we all know petrol states are all extremely conservative (saudia, iran, russia, qatar). The center of US power is slowly shifting from new york/california to Texas. The exporting of natural resources will also revitalize middle America. The same thing will happen in Canada, power will shift from ontario and quebec to Alberta.

  155. @iffen

    …but for racial prejudice reasons, dislike the black athletes in that sport then refusal to accept their status based upon their athletic skill and ability would qualify as racist.

    thatsracist.gif

    Google: black athletes …

    50 Greatest Black Athletes

    15 Children’s Books on Extraordinary Black Athletes by Black Authors
    [not only a books about black athletes, but the book’s themselves were written by black authors]

    Black Student-Athlete Summit 2019
    [“White Student-Athlete Summit” no results]

    Famous Black Olympic Athletes | Black History Month | Sports | BET
    [No equivalent. on the White Entertainment Channel]

    Seven black athletes making history at the 2018 PyeongChang Winter … [nbcnews]

    Black Athletes Have Started Celebrating Their Victories With the “Wakanda Forever” Salute from Black Panther [slate]

    • Replies: @iffen
  156. Dmitry says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    I can understand your view, where there is a change of political alignment in your country when you were already an adult. So then you see some people who are more in your side, even temporarily.

    But I can’t understand people who can go their views from left to right, or right to left.

    It’s just completely outside my experience. It seems like it happens to gullible people which are easily influenced by other people or fashion.

    My political views never changed at all in time since I was a child, and even across discussion with people of different countries and languages. I can have some more empathy for different points of view now, but equally it’s easy to see where people are idiots and others are less a bit less idiots (all political views and discussion is some kind of compromise with different degrees of idiots).

  157. Miro23 says:
    @German_reader

    The solution to that would be simple: just don’t buy your children a video game console.
    Limiting access to computers and the internet is obviously more difficult, since one needs to be familiar with them in today’s world. But a console just for gaming isn’t necessary.

    Parents need to provide some alternative for their children though, not just ban stuff and leave it at that; I guess some cooperative effort between like-minded parents would be needed.

    Personally, I don’t think there is a real alternative. This group of Gen. Z friends are at school together, and interact in the evening through headsets while controlling players in their team vs. other teams from around the world (e.g. CS GO). These PC games are central to these guys social interaction, and involve amazingly realistic group strategies and tactics, plus they’re great to watch, which I do quite a lot.

    They are studying for GCSE’s, do the work earlier in the day and know that it’s important. Also they meet up physically at the weekend (joined by girls) and play various board games in parent’s houses – not so much fun but the parents encourage it.

    For my part, I have insisted on participation for some years in a local sports team. It involves hard training two times a week and provincial tournaments. Not his favourite activity but he does it and is in the top group in his school for fitness – which he appreciates.

    I think that it’s more a question of controlling the video gaming and making sure that other activities are not dropped – but these games are addictive and it’s a difficult problem. There’s little interest in politics of any sort.

  158. @reiner Tor

    Countries which previously had little interest in joining the West are now moving there. At least two such countries, Belarus and Ukraine. The latter just decided since 2005, the former is moving that way right now.

    Eastern European countries can decide whatever they want, but if the US is unwilling or unable to prop up pro-Western governments in the region, they will ultimately end up in the Russian sphere. There will be nowhere else for them to go.

    The Ukraine isn’t exactly part of West right now. It is still very much a contested territory, and will remain this way, until Russia or the US gives it up.

  159. songbird says:
    @Mitleser

    It’s a bit tangential , but there was a German writer, who speaking of the hyperinflation of the early ’20s, wrote something like “there was a hyperinflation in love.”

    I may be paraphrasing, but it was a good line.

  160. @iffen

    If it’s racist for a white guy to refuse to accept blacks athletic skill, is it not also racist for a black guy (or ant-racist white guy) to refuse to accept non-blacks athletic skill? Is there such thing as a black racist? If so half the world is racist.

    You say the statement “my unease about worshipping black athletes” is racist. What if he acted upon his views and did the following:

    1. Founded a White Student-Athlete Summit.
    2. Produced a tv show titled “Famous White Olympic Athletes” for the White Entertainment Channel.
    3. Wrote an article for NBC News titled “Seven white athltes making history at the 2018 PyeongChang Winter Olympics”.
    4. Produced a story for Sports Illustrated titled “Sports Illustrated Lists Greatest Aryan Athletes”
    5. Published a list of “15 Children’s Books on Extraordinary White Athletes by White Authors”.

    And he did this all without being banned from twitter and having his Paypal account suspended, and his work even shows up on Google search first 5 pages.

    Are the above racist against blacks because they refuse to accept blacks athletic skill and ability? If the races were reversed would it still be racist?

    • Replies: @iffen
  161. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Men need a shared goal to rally around, Rosie & her idea of a white man should be a cuckold instead of getting an Asian wife ignores reality.

    Let’s see. You can marry a White woman and have a 98-99% chance of not getting cuckolded, or you can marry an Asian, still have a 98-99% chance of not getting cuckolded, but have a 100% chance of having kids that look nothing like you.

    Sounds like an easy choice to me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  162. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Nazis is also liberals so we need Aryan Monarchy with proper pre Christcuck tribes.

    http://www.northernpaganism.org/shrines/ostara/about.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  163. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH

    I understand that you hate your mother because you got your dick cut.

    Other than that, males cannot deny the Divine Feminine & vice versa.

    Worshipping Weapons makes me want to use them.

    Have walked up to pack of niggers & they back off.

    Meanwhile, you’re a coward who will die on his bed. We will Die in Battle,

    • Replies: @DFH
  164. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Worship Weapons, Ancestors, Oneness.

    Take over the Army

    Not hard. I can’t explain my ancestral tradition to someone who doesn’t share it.

    You’ll have to give your life in the end,

    If that’s unacceptable, then you’re a coward.

    Brave men already understand these things & need no explanation.


    Also, Rosie is correct in most everything she says I just have better things to spill my blood over.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  165. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    European states are largely run by women who will screech in orgasm then quickly fall in line.

  166. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    I barely look in the mirror, but chinkies won’t produce Strong Aryan Son.

    I need son who wishes to kill & has desire for vicious warfare.

    Not some Star craft 2 e sports l33t pro.

  167. iffen says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    In the US, in the bad old days, blacks as individuals were not allowed entry to most fields because of their group identity (true story). After barriers were removed (opinions differ as to degree and completeness), black individuals competed successfully in some fields but not others. This discrepancy (disparate results among fields of endeavor) was assumed to be because white privileged persons were keeping their foot on the necks of blacks in those areas where blacks did not compete successfully.

    Blacks were granted dispensation to celebrate the accomplishments of black individuals as accomplishments as a group. This was to facilitate positive self- image formation because many people believe that one of the main reasons for disparate results is lack of black self- esteem which is caused by white privileged persons throwing shade on black accomplishments. White privileged persons don’t need any help creating a positive self-image because, well, because they are privileged.

    The short story is that until the majority of rocket scientists are POCs you must indulge and enjoy the Miss Black America contests. So, until we have hard quotas you are SOL.

  168. Mr. XYZ says:
    @iffen

    What does SOL mean?

    • Replies: @iffen
  169. WHAT says:
    @reiner Tor

    Lol what. Khokhol dream of doing nothing and being “in europe” came to be immediately after USSR disintegrated. They are experiencing entirely predictable hangover right now. Belarus is just Luka`s kingdom predicated on cheap gas and oil from Russia, and will become oblast eventually.

    >muh baltic “states”
    These “states” don`t even need themselves and would be happy to dissipate completely in german servitude. Problem is, germans don`t need them either.

  170. @iffen

    This was to facilitate positive self- image formation because many people believe that one of the main reasons for disparate results is lack of black self- esteem

    An idea believed by no one who has ever met any black people.

    We would all be better off if your type would advocate for leprechauns and gnomes instead. The problem with theories about real people that the theorists refuse to meet is that someone will meet them and suffer the consequences of the theories.

    • Replies: @iffen
  171. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Or we could just destroy your insolent race, which is the Aryan thing to do

    • Replies: @iffen
  172. @Jaakko Raipala

    When Rome morphed from republic to empire, what followed was centuries of wars of conquest under ruthless tyrants.

    Actually, it was centuries of civil wars, defensive wars against barbarian onslaughts and occasional prophylactic wars to remind the barbarians that Rome wasn’t too decadent to fight. Rome had pretty much stopped expanding when Caesar was killed. Its elites were too busy fighting each other for the position of head honcho. Note that by the time of Octavian, Carthage, Syria, Judea, Britannia and Gaul had already been brought into the fold, and Egypt was a vassal state independent only in name.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @German_reader
  173. songbird says:
    @Johann Ricke

    I think that is what happened to China. Some people say the Chinese are unwarlike. In reality, I think they became too large to expand. Focus had to be on keeping control, or taking control.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  174. Parbes says:
    @Anonymous

    You couldn’t make this guy up if you tried; and that IS the problem.

  175. iffen says:
    @Anonymous

    Me Aryan. Me not surrender our Enlightenment to new barbarians.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  176. iffen says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    An idea believed by no one who has ever met any black people.

    You repeat the “Watson error.”

  177. @Johann Ricke

    Rome had pretty much stopped expanding when Caesar was killed.

    Octavian/Augustus conquered large regions in the Balkans and the Alps, iirc it was one of the biggest increases of Roman territory. He also attempted to conquer Germania, but that failed due to the loss of Varus’ legions and the Germanic tribes being so primitive and economically underdeveloped that subduing them was eventually regarded as not being worth the effort. After Augustus’ death the empire mostly stopped expanding (though there were exceptions like Britain, Dacia and temporary advances in Mesopotamia), but during his reign Roman armies were still on the offensive.
    Britain was only conquered by Claudius in the 40s AD.

  178. DFH says:
    @Anonymous

    I understand that you hate your mother because you got your dick cut.

    ?????????? British people aren’t circumcised

    the Divine Feminine

    Is that what your boyfriend calls you?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @g2k
  179. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Idgaf about enlightenment, I’ll rape your bitch make you & your children watch & then feed all of you to the grandparents.

  180. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH

    Many soldiers call Rifle their Wife, We say Mother.

    You’ll be opposed in insulting the Gods & Weapons by any Armed Man.

    You can’t even carry a blade in England lol

    I know you are ignorant of one Ness so you’ll say o if they call it wife are they your dad?

    You’re an old tired anglo, fast on the route to becoming dust.

    Accept that all things eventually do, then prepare to give a fight against Fate worthy of your ancestors.

    If this is too much for you, 🤷

    You’re gay.

  181. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Niggers might be good at running, but they run away from battle.

    This is the ironic reason for desegregation in the US Army. Not wanting totally incompetent divisions & too much PC even then to fully call it out.

    Only a People far from the Gods turns back to battle.

    If you were strong, instead of a bitch lol you would speak of Victory not equality

    Your conduct alone speaks to its pedigree

  182. @Corvinus

    So are you going to be a driving force behind this “rebirth”, or remain on the couch eating Cheetos? Put up or shut up.

    1) I am not American.

    2) In this context, I am not referring to white Americans as métèques.

  183. @songbird

    American childrens’ cartoons are in retrospect amusing. When stripped of their American context the propaganda doesn’t make much sense.

    For example, when I was younger, there would be a string of cartoons early Staturday morning and one of them would show a programme called ‘Dora the Explorer’ in translation.

    It wasn’t really that interesting, but it was only a lot later, when I learned more about the USA, that I realised that it was a way to accostom children to English-Spanish bilingualism.

    Obviously, the translators didn’t realise either, since they took away both the English and the Spanish sections.

    • Replies: @songbird
  184. Hitler was socialist.
    The “alt-right” seems to be a confused bunch, they hate the ZOG but love Israel. They don’t like Jewish power, but they love (((capitalism))). What gives?

    You right wingers keep linking open borders to “the left”, but you seem to forget that virtually all of the “conservatives” you have fawned over have been just as open-borderish or even more so than the “leftists” . obama as much as even I hate him, still holds the record for most deportations of illegals, including the famed hero Dubya. Lets not forget about the Fox news darling Reagan and his amnesty.
    Worried about “liberal” gun control, Trump just banned your bump stocks, more harm to 2nd amendment than obama so far.

    Texas has been Red quite a while, why haven’t they saddled up and built a wall themselves? Most of the border is theirs. My home state of Ga. has been Red since 02-03 but has one of the largest illegal populations around, in Gwinnett co. its hard to find a cracker, stores that don’t speak English, signs I can’t even read, pretty hard in Atlanta and many smaller towns too, so what gives?

    Its the Globalists right? Nope, just the latest stage of capitalism. See you Europeans are too expensive and make selfish demands like paid vacations and overtime pay. Capitalists want and need slave labor, they don’t want to deport them! They want to hire more of them! The world we have is the world capitalism wants and creates. If you don’t like illegals and H1B’s, then you don’t like capitalism! Simple shit really.

  185. Ender says:

    I guess the problem is that any effort by a 2nd coming of Franco to impose social conservatism on the West would run into overwhelming opposition from the youth, but not in any way that will not bring you in trouble with the Hague.

  186. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Worship Weapons, Ancestors, Oneness.”

    Great Nike slogan. Really amounts to Jack Squat.

    “Take over the Army”

    OK, how? What are the specific strategies that you plan to employ? Moreover, when, considering that the Trojan Horses have already spilled their contents. Do you enjoy playing Internet Cowboy?

    “You’ll have to give your life in the end, If that’s unacceptable, then you’re a coward.”

    Except you are waiting for others to engage in such action.

    “Brave men already understand these things & need no explanation.”

    But you’re not brave, you’re someone simply spouting off platitudes on a blog. If you were going to do something, you would have done it by now. But you’re not, so quit kidding yourself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  187. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ender

    I am just saying should definitely study how political Islam manages to achieve its political and cultural aims in the face of secular opposition, to the extent that it is the seculars who are pandering to Islamic values, as can be seen in the Indonesian presidential election, instead of the opposite.

    I agree. But most alt-righters are too dumb to accept such an idea.

    If you’re a social conservative then Islam is clearly an ally rather than an enemy, but most social conservatives are too dumb to see it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  188. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dmitry

    More simply. Imagine you see a beautiful art museum, full of masterworks of civilization. The rational thing is to want to conserve it.

    But what about an abandoned junkyard with some primitive rubbish? A person who wants to conserve the junkyard, is an idiot.

    When I look at the West today I see a cesspit. I’m not terribly interesting in the idea of conserving cesspits.

    The West that was worth conserving is long gone. It really is a museum piece. Beautiful, but dead.

  189. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    I’m a leftist before and after. In fact, knowledge of it strengthens some of my leftist opinions and support for certain “socialist” policies and positions.

    HBD is a very strong argument in favour of a welfare state. But I’m a leftist too.

    HBD does not require one to join the Nazi party or start one.

    Agreed, but it does encourage some of the less intelligent and less socially adjusted whites to flirt with ideas that are very unsavoury.

    I’m neutral on belief in HBD. I think that it might be true but it seems likely to be a political dead end. In fact it may turn out to be a millstone around the necks of those arguing for sensible social policies.

    • Replies: @iffen
  190. g2k says:
    @DFH

    ?????????? British people aren’t circumcised

    Thanks to the NHS. Secular circumcision was quite popular here from the 19th to the early 20th century; I don’t think people were that enthusiastic about it, doctors probably reccomended it to make money, but the NHS came along refused to spend on an unnecessary procedure.

  191. @songbird

    I think that is what happened to China. Some people say the Chinese are unwarlike. In reality, I think they became too large to expand. Focus had to be on keeping control, or taking control.

    My impression is that with most empires, the aristocrats are warlike, mainly for reasons of personal glory, in the form of historical immortality, whereas the commoners tend to be fairly un-warlike. In China, even the commoners are warlike. Just how warlike? Three of China’s dynasties are the result of peasant revolutions, the Han, the Ming and the current Communist one, spanning almost 800 years of China’s roughly 2200 year existence as an off-and-on unitary empire. That’s not even counting the near ascension to the throne of half-a-dozen other leaders of peasant revolts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Zicheng https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan It’s hard to think of any other major civilization where ruling families arose from anything other than aristocratic clans. Even Genghis Khan was one of a line of clan chiefs. Compared to these Chinese personalities, who commanded vast armies and fought reigning dynasties on their own terms, Wat Tyler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Tyler was a nonentity. Even the protagonists of Rome’s Servile Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servile_Wars paled in comparison.

  192. Anon[795] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    I think he’s referring to your suggestion that white men should adopt or support others’ white children rather than pursue foreign wives and children of their own. Not about being cuckolded after marriage. Basically being unmarried “mannies” to other people’s white children. That’s what’s unrealistic. Men don’t have such inclinations.

    Another issue is that because sex is individual reproduction, most people, of whatever race, conceive of it as reproducing with particular individuals, rather than with a race. Thus usually a particular individual’s racial classification doesn’t override personal and individual features. For example, most men will not choose a woman with health and physical problems over a foreign woman simply because she is of the same race.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  193. Ender says:

    How do you make miscegenation and homosexuality disgusting for generation Z and millenials again, I mean the vast majority of generation Z and millennials know LGBT people, and they clearly do not find them disgusting, unlike the people here.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Jaakko Raipala
  194. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ender

    How do you make miscegenation and homosexuality disgusting for generation Z and millenials again, I mean the vast majority of generation Z and millennials know LGBT people, and they clearly do not find them disgusting, unlike the people here.

    They don’t find homosexuality disgusting because they don’t think about what such practices actually entail. They just block it out.

    • Replies: @Ender
    , @Ender
  195. Pericles says:
    @Dmitry

    For me I cannot understand people who move from one view to another – it seems like they are joining different religious cults.

    For some it’s like transsexuals having sex changes over and over (it’s a thing).

    For others, all the explanations and ideologies they are given turn out to be fundamentally and inescapably fake and gay, that’s why they have to move on.

  196. Pericles says:
    @TheSadThingIs

    Blacks are treated less fairly than whites though, in many respects. … their on-the-ground lived experiences being treated worse. … Personally I do believe blacks are treated unfairly but that doesn’t mean I’m “cucking”. Quite the contrary. I’m fine with them being treated worse because they deserve it (statistically)

    Do you really know what ‘unfair’ means though?

  197. Ender says:
    @dfordoom

    Maybe we should all just get used to having transexual multigendered grandkids, I mean the vast majority of millenials do not seem to have a problem with that, only us, so maybe it is us who have a problem and are in error, and not them? Remember the old saying about how when you point a finger at others, three other fingers are pointing back at you?

  198. Ender says:
    @dfordoom

    Maybe we should all just get used to having transexual multigendered grandkids, I mean the vast majority of millenials do not seem to have a problem with that, only us, so maybe it is us who have a problem and are in error, and not them? Remember the old saying about how when you point a finger at others, three other fingers are pointing back at you?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Hyperborean
  199. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    HBD is a very strong argument in favour of a welfare state. But I’m a leftist too.

    The strongest after the basic humanity appeal. IMO we weren’t really “human” until we started burying our dead, caring for the elderly, caring for the lame and creating social structures that allowed the less capable a chance to survive.

    Agreed, but it does encourage some of the less intelligent and less socially adjusted whites to flirt with ideas that are very unsavoury.

    Most of them were there before the science and would be there without the science.

    I’m neutral on belief in HBD.

    I don’t think there is any doubt about different groups having different IQ medians. I am an somewhat agnostic on behavioral traits. It seems some of those might piggy-back on IQ. I am not convinced that behavioral traits are not malleable and manageable within the environment in ways that IQ is not.

    I think that it might be true but it seems likely to be a political dead end. In fact it may turn out to be a millstone around the necks of those arguing for sensible social policies.

    I think that we just need to concentrate on sensible policies that give the left side of the curve a better chance of success in the modern economy. There is no need to specify which bell curve you are looking at.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  200. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ender

    Maybe we should all just get used to having transexual multigendered grandkids, I mean the vast majority of millenials do not seem to have a problem with that, only us, so maybe it is us who have a problem and are in error, and not them?

    It’s quite possible that every human society for the whole of recorded history has been wrong in thinking that sexual degeneracy was bad and that homosexuality was sad and destructive, and that millennials are the only generation in history to be right. Because millennials are clearly the most awesomely correct generation that has ever lived. Yes, I think that’s plausible.

  201. @Ender

    They do find them disgusting. You see people advocating for trans people but the people who actually get sex changes complain that normal people still won’t date them even if they signal for trans acceptance. Likewise, the middle class pro-diversity advocates live in neighborhoods that have only whites and perhaps some East Asians and if they have any actually “diverse” friends it’s some university student from a preselected group of blacks or similar.

    The diversity ideology is all about signaling and finding out heretics. If gen Z didn’t find trans people disgusting, there would be no signaling value in it. There’s no signaling value in believing that the sky is blue because everyone can see that. There is signaling value in believing that the sky will turn red on December 17th 2020 and rain fire on the unbelievers while believers get transported to heaven – it’s something that will set your cult believers apart from mainstream society and something that lets you identify heretics who don’t believe in the red sky.

    The entire point of all these leftist causes is to embrace something that has a high psychological threshold of disgust or unbelievability to overcome. If they didn’t, then they would have no signaling value. The easiest way for “conservatives” to kill these causes is to hug them to death – once the Bush family supports trans people, there will no longer be any signaling value in supporting trans and the left will move on to something else. Notice how it’s now the conservative Republicans who go on and on about Martin Luther King and equal opportunity while the left has decided that MLK and equal opportunity are no longer enough.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  202. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    I think he’s referring to your suggestion that white men should adopt or support others’ white children rather than pursue foreign wives and children of their own.

    Yes, it would definitely be better to have White stepchildren, and hopefully also White biological children, than Hapas.

    Basically being unmarried “mannies” to other people’s white children. That’s what’s unrealistic. Men don’t have such inclinations…
    For example, most men will not choose a woman with health and physical problems over a foreign woman simply because she is of the same race.

    Where is all this superior male racial loyalty I’m told totally exists?

    Anyway, thanks for clarifying.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  203. Pericles says:
    @AquariusAnon

    I have mused now and then in recent times that I should try an IT job in Moscow (I’m Swedish). Then it seems crazy. It’s crazy, isn’t it?

  204. Pericles says:
    @songbird

    Briefly put, Weimar Germany wasn’t great. It was a degenerate shithole. However, ‘certain groups’ still remember it with nostalgia.

  205. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    HBD is a very strong argument in favour of a welfare state. But I’m a leftist too.

    The strongest after the basic humanity appeal. IMO we weren’t really “human” until we started burying our dead, caring for the elderly, caring for the lame and creating social structures that allowed the less capable a chance to survive.

    Yep, I agree with that.

    I think that it might be true but it seems likely to be a political dead end. In fact it may turn out to be a millstone around the necks of those arguing for sensible social policies.

    I think that we just need to concentrate on sensible policies that give the left side of the curve a better chance of success in the modern economy. There is no need to specify which bell curve you are looking at.

    Yes, I’d go along with that as well.

    HBD is very much a two-edged sword and I’m inclined to be very wary of it. I don’t think it’s going to have the effect that alt-righters are hoping for, but then the alt-right manages to be wrong about most things.

  206. Rosie says:
    @dfordoom

    If you’re a social conservative then Islam is clearly an ally rather than an enemy, but most social conservatives are too dumb to see it.

    Shall I buy you a plain ticket?

    This glorification of alien cultures is getting really old.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  207. @Ender

    Stefan Zweig, in his autobiography, The World of Yesterday, talks about the reversal of values that occurred after the defeat of the Great War.

    Regarding sexuality, he notes that boys would shave off their beards while girls would cut their hair into short bobcuts in an attempt to mimic the opposite sex. Highschool girls would be ashamed if they were still virgins. Young women would engage in fetishistic sex acts, the more bizarre the better. Homosexuality among both sexes flourished.

    As well, although Zweig does not mention it, transvestitism and transexualism was also present, limited only by the comparatively primitive surgery of the era.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2847643/Berlin-liberal-hotbed-homosexuality-mecca-cross-dressers-transsexuals-male-female-surgery-performed-Nazis-came-power-new-book-reveals.html

    All this while the laws against homosexuality and abortion were still formally in place.

    There is nothing new under the sun.

    • Replies: @Ender
    , @Ender
  208. Ender says:

    Honestly, is an Aristotlean liberal state where government takes an active role in guiding the morals of the population partly through the coercive powers book the state, still possible in the West? It seems that the problem is that the Enlightenment corrupter the Aristotlean concept of freedom, from its original concept of the freedom to do what is right, to the freedom to do whatever it is that you want as a legal adult, which Aristotle thought as the lowest and most unworthy form of freedom.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  209. Ender says:
    @Hyperborean

    90 percent of younger American millenials and Gen Z have no problem with gay marriage, tell me how are you planning to win this cultural war when virtually nobody under the age of 35 sees anything wrong with LGBT? As the saying goes, hope is not a plan.

  210. Ender says:
    @Hyperborean

    90 percent of younger American millenials and Gen Z have no problem with gay marriage, tell me how are you planning to win this cultural war when virtually nobody under the age of 35 sees anything wrong with LGBT? As the saying goes, hope is not a plan.

  211. @Ender

    Winning? Who said anything about winning?

    More seriously though, my point was that radical shocks can unleash great social changes.

    As you note that’s not really a plan but the Zeitgeist is not very kind to her opponents.

    Personally, I find la terre et les morts 19th century pessimistic French nationalism resonant.

  212. songbird says:
    @Hyperborean

    I spent a short time in Germany many years ago and one little girl I knew there exuberantly liked this viking cartoon featuring this little red-haired girl. Even back then, it seemed to me a European thing – something that wouldn’t be produced by American financing or for an American audience.

    It was just a few years ago that I saw an Irish cartoon, which featured an African in a group of monks in a round tower in Ireland being attacked by vikings.

    I know a little girl who went through a Dora phrase, speaking Spanish phrases. I think she would have liked that viking cartoon better, since she looked like the girl in it.

    I find it disturbing that there seems to be a profusion of deracinated cartoons now, where the characters aren’t even human. They are humanlike with blue and green skin, or are talking dinosaurs, or furry animals.

    The propaganda in the ’80s and early ’90s, seemed so harmless by comparison, like the guy in the wheelchair on “Transformers.”. Or the many eco cartoons.

  213. @Ender

    I didn’t have a problem with LBGT until I met some LBGT. Projecting from the opinions of youth who have no life experience beyond TV watching is useless.

    Every time sexual revolution has been tried it has ended up getting harshly rolled back because either militant factions in your own society take over from the liberals (Germany, Russia in the early 20th century) or you get overrun by more disciplined, more determined foreigners (most likely Islam).

    In the end, if you win with the barrel of the gun you win the culture war. If you win the war of the womb, you win the culture war. Liberal secular society is a sterile dead end that will come to an end one way or another.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Ender
  214. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Terrorism is not strategically viable & if loudmouth trailer trash doesn’t understand that it’s not my fault.

  215. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    It’s never existed. Google women as arbiters of social distance I think title is.

    Also corvinus you’re an individualist, keep your fawnings to yourself lol. Your happening ain’t gonna happen, if we don’t get elite backing or institutional teeth meaning any chance of successive action, then fuck it.

    I’m pretty positive there will be though because man is rebellious and all indicators point to mass discontent next decade AD.

    A fag like you may used to blowing load early though.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  216. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:

    Also, Corvinus I’ve already caught felonies keeping niggers away from my women.

    The Gods are free to take my life when they wish, I am not one to object.

    Only the most fortune few stand among Heroes, I wish the same for all Men.


    Some christcuck whoreson like you has no place to speak among us.

  217. Ender says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Huh? Even when I was in my teens I always felt that something was off with LGBT because it contradicted with my vague ideas about natural law/order. Though it was more of a something is off here vague feeling than disgust, but that may be just a product of coming from a conservative though secular cultural.

  218. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rosie

    This glorification of alien cultures is getting really old.

    What’s wrong with alien cultures? If we want our culture to be respected we should respect other cultures. To them we’re the ones with an alien culture which we try to impose on them.

    And if our culture is diseased what’s wrong with looking at other cultures to see the things they might be doing right that we’re doing wrong?

    Do you truly think that at this point in time our culture is a healthy one?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  219. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ender

    It seems that the problem is that the Enlightenment corrupter the Aristotlean concept of freedom, from its original concept of the freedom to do what is right, to the freedom to do whatever it is that you want as a legal adult, which Aristotle thought as the lowest and most unworthy form of freedom.

    I think that’s a valid point.

  220. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Ender

    90 percent of younger American millenials and Gen Z have no problem with gay marriage, tell me how are you planning to win this cultural war when virtually nobody under the age of 35 sees anything wrong with LGBT? As the saying goes, hope is not a plan.

    It’s worth remembering that social and cultural attitudes are not genetic, they’re entirely culturally determined. They can change in the blink of an eye. It took a decade for homosexual marriage to go from being a ludicrous and laughable fringe belief to being accepted as completely normal. Which means that it would take about a decade for it to go back to being a ludicrous and laughable fringe belief.

    We live in a society in which social attitudes are a matter of fashion. We no longer accept that there are core values the abandonment of which will lead to disaster. That’s how secular liberalism works. There’s no such thing as right or wrong. There are only popular opinions and unpopular opinions. If you want to know what is right you put the matter to a vote. But you have to remember that another vote can change things back again. Today’s popular opinion, universally accepted because what is popular must be right, is tomorrow’s old discredited universally reviled prejudice.

    Demographic change makes the future impossible to predict. Will a mostly hispanic United States have the same social attitudes as today’s United States? It’s unlikely. Will a Britain with a much larger Muslim population share the rainbow unicorn belief system of today’s Britain? It’s unlikely. Will a mostly Chinese and Indian Australia share the beliefs of today’s Australia? Again, very unlikely.

    What happens if British Muslims demand that homosexuality be outlawed? Will it happen? Probably. Not in the next twenty years, but fifty years from now it’s more than possible.

    The First Culture War ended in complete victory for the SJWs. The Second Culture War might end differently.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @iffen
  221. Yevardian says:
    @reiner Tor

    What makes you think Belarus is moving in that direction? I haven’t been there in many years, but it’s been virtually a self-governing province of the Russian Federation for a long time.

  222. @dfordoom

    Demographic change makes the future impossible to predict. Will a mostly hispanic United States have the same social attitudes as today’s United States? It’s unlikely. Will a Britain with a much larger Muslim population share the rainbow unicorn belief system of today’s Britain? It’s unlikely. Will a mostly Chinese and Indian Australia share the beliefs of today’s Australia? Again, very unlikely.

    What happens if British Muslims demand that homosexuality be outlawed? Will it happen? Probably. Not in the next twenty years, but fifty years from now it’s more than possible.

    All these groups are constantly marinated in SJW ideology though.

    The amount of Latinx and AZNs and decadent Muslims are increasing, particularly in the elite (who exert a disproportionate influence on society).

    This is not to say that our current social norms will last forever, simply that relying on the alleged steadfastness of non-white social conservatism, particularly in the USA, is no surety.

    If social norms change it will most likely be because of internal changes in Western nations.

  223. Rosie says:
    @dfordoom

    And if our culture is diseased what’s wrong with looking at other cultures to see the things they might be doing right that we’re doing wrong?

    We don’t need more alien influence to set things right, but less alien influence.

  224. Joach says:
    @AquariusAnon

    In terms of demographics, I see the US as a whole stabilizing at something like 45% white, 25% Latino, 15% black, 10% Asian, with high interracial marriage rates.

    You can’t stabilize the white population with high interracial marriage rates.

    Sustained miscegenation will eat exponentially on the white share of the US population. I give it two or three decades until a majority of white people are in relationship with nonwhites, due to the sheer numbers. It would require racial consciousness to just avoid it.

    At that point, white newborns will be <20% of the total.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  225. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    It’s worth remembering that social and cultural attitudes are not genetic, they’re entirely culturally determined.

    I don’t believe this is correct. Our “attitudes” have a genetic component.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @dfordoom
    , @Corvinus
  226. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Also corvinus you’re an individualist, keep your fawnings to yourself lol.”

    It’s not fawnings, it’s just informing you that you are an armchair warrior. If you were going to do something, you would have done it.

    “I’m pretty positive there will be though because man is rebellious and all indicators point to mass discontent next decade AD.”

    LOL, exactly what I thought. The moment is actually now to strike, but you are just waiting for that perfect moment when everyone else takes the first step and then you can follow suit. Except you know deep down inside you are going to stay behind.

    “Also, Corvinus I’ve already caught felonies keeping niggers away from my women.”

    You have nothing of the sort. Only boasting of things that never even happened. If you want to keep embarrassing yourself, go right ahead.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  227. Anonymous[615] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Thought so, I actually do have these things.

    Strike now with what?

    Number one, unless you’re a Pagan you’re not my people.

    You’re not doing a public service, and if you want to run your mouth come get your Jaw broken.

    Of course, you never will. Karlin can arrange a meetup

    Quit sperging.
    There’s decadal growth above 100% for us in Europe.
    Moscow Patriarch crying about Pagang taking over Spetsnaz.
    Most of the race is not worth saving, 😉

    We prefer to operate during times of chaos.

    We don’t want to save the men, only the women.

    Or did you forget who you’re talking to anglo?

    We’ll have our revenge against you & destroy your non-white co-abrahamics.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  228. Anonymous[615] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Nope, only the intensity.

    1000 Jurchen destroyed & ruled China.

    Go lift & become One of a 1000.

  229. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    I don’t believe this is correct. Our “attitudes” have a genetic component.

    Possibly. But in the absence of evidence it’s no more than a possibility.

    Over the course of the past century social and cultural attitudes among white Europeans have changed dramatically, too dramatically (in my opinion) to be explained by anything other than cultural factors.

    • Agree: melanf
  230. Corvinus says:
    @iffen

    “Our “attitudes” have a genetic component.”

    You mean like the European imperialist attitude of securing free stuff and gimmedats because of their own sense of superiority?

    • Replies: @iffen
  231. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “You’re not doing a public service, and if you want to run your mouth come get your Jaw broken.”

    LOL, that would be a neat trick considering this is the Internet. But we know you would do no such thing.

    “Most of the race is not worth saving,”

    Talk about sperging.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  232. Anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Karlin can arrange a meetup. I’m religiously required to, you’re not.

    Race is an ethno-cultural construct, christcucks are not my race. Only Euro Pagans are and even then those hippies need to deny significant elements to pretend.

    We don’t have many to save so we’ll be pretty successful, percentage wise.

    Being a christian is inherently being a race traitor. 🤷

    Germans drowned gays in bogs but jewish led universal asatru claims otherwise.

    Christians love Jews, it’s no coincidence that the two best responses to them: Roman & German were both Pagang.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  233. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Race is an ethno-cultural construct, christcucks are not my race.”

    Non sequitur.

    “We don’t have many to save so we’ll be pretty successful, percentage wise.”

    But you’re not even doing anything about it now! So spare us how you concerned you are at this time, since you are not taking any measures to make the changes necessary.

    “Being a christian is inherently being a race traitor.”

    Another non sequitur.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  234. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    So beside yelling at everyone that they’re doing nothing, you have no other argument?

    Then when someone says they are doing something you’ll scream they’re not.

    You’re clearly a jew & a coward, afraid to fight & we don’t pursue cowards. 🤷

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  235. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “So beside yelling at everyone…”

    Now you’re getting emotional. Not manly at all. All I am doing is pointing out how illogical you sound, as well as the fact that you are not going to do anything physical about the situation. It is all posturing on your part.

    “You’re clearly a jew & a coward, afraid to fight & we don’t pursue cowards.”

    Right, because anyone who opposes you or calls out your b.s. has to a Jew. Again, more emotionality on your part. Are you really a woman?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  236. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Passion is the purview of Warriors।।

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