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Untold billions of dollars spent on new football stadiums. Lavish spending on football players. The hiring of some of Europe’s most expensive and prestigious coaches.

Results?

The Russian team has never been weaker in its entire history.

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My guess is that Russia will probably eke out second place in its laughably weak (and hilariously improbable) group, and will be put out of its misery by Spain or Portugal as soon as it’s out of the group stages.

However, we can’t exclude that Russia will fail to beat laughably weak Egypt and/or Saudi Arabia. 538 gives a 27% chance that Russia will fail to even pass the group stage.

There’s no reason to be mad about this. Climatic factors mean that Russians are simply not cut out for football, as I explained in Why Is Russia Bad at Football?

Still, the kremlins are obsessed with big sporting events, because (in their cargo cult minds) it helps raise the country’s “prestige”, and perhaps more importantly, helps fatten their friends’ wallets. At almost $10 billion, Russia spent more on stadium construction than any previous FIFA World Cup host – Korea/Japan in 2002, South Africa in 2010, and Brazil in 2014 all spent around $6 billion on stadiums. This overspending comes on the heels of the most expensive Olympics in history, the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014 – a vanity project that has only been rivaled by the white elephants in the Gulf Arab monarchies in the 21st century.

Robbie Williams is going to be performing at the opening ceremony, and no doubt getting paid millions if not tens of millions for “selling his soul” to the “dictator Putin.” Meanwhile, FIFA has banned pro-Donbass singer Yulia Chicherina from performing at the opening ceremonies in Rostov on Don, with official Russia not uttering a word of complaint about that.

In short, this is not Russia’s World Cup.

It is the World Cup of Putin, of the Rotenbergs, of Robbie Williams and sundry washed up foreign celebrities, of the Russian bureaucracy, of the FIFA bureaucracy, and of the Western media that symbiotically feeds off all of them.

Russia will probably fail humiliatingly, and I couldn’t care less.

 
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  1. DreadIlk says:

    You sound bitter. I hate this type of attitude.

    I understand saying it once or twice. But I have seen you mentions this in comments and Twitter every chance that you get.

    No one likes a nag and I agree with you.

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    You sound bitter. I hate this type of attitude.
     
    He's Russian, not Jamaican, what do you want?
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  2. Dmitry says:

    From a public relations aspect, this is the best commercial/advert (regardless of football team performance) in history, as foreigners’ impression of the country will be reversed in some various ways after they visit, while millions more people will become interested in visiting for the future.

    Whether this is a good expenditure of money is another question (I guess we will know in a couple of years in the future). It’s a question whether such a short and temporary event can contribute to the development of a long-term or permanent increase in tourism .

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  3. I think lots of people in Western Europe care less and less too, due to the ethnic composition of the teams and their use for multiculturalist/immigrationist propaganda. I can’t even begin to imagine how deluded a white Frenchman would have to be to cheer for the French team.
    Besides, those cretins just get way too much money for kicking around a ball anyway.
    But yes, probably a waste of money for Russia.

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    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Disagree: gate666
    • Replies: @Beckow
    They have built stadium, roads, parking lots, hotels, clinics, parks... In Sochi they also built a new train connection and ski resorts. What would you prefer they spend the money on? Most societies spend incredible amounts on stale institutions that do very little, office buildings full of people having meetings, writing memos, watching the clock. Not much comes out of that. At least when a country builds something, it is tangible and is useful for a long time. We should do more of it, not less.

    There will always will be waste and corruption on public infrastructure projects. It is like a tip added to our bill, maybe in Russia the tip is excessive, maybe not. But that's a different issue. The cretins kicking the ball entertain us and live in one of the few truly merit based systems around.
    , @songbird
    I feel similarly about the Olympics.
    , @Yevardian
    Agreed, Uday Hussein had the right idea on the worth of football players, I recall you saying.
    , @Erik Sieven
    Hysterical cheering for West-African sport stars has some tradition Europe, think of Muhamed Ali for example.
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  4. melanf says:

    In short, this is not Russia’s World Cup.

    Well, sport is a completely stupid waste of money. But in this issue in Russia there is a complete unity of the population and the government. Spending money on sports, but not on useful things – it is the will of the people, “democracy in action”.

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  5. utu says:

    DDR was guided by the metric of the medal count. That’s why they did not concentrate on soccer and hockey with low medals/cost ratio. The individual sports had much higher medal/cost ratio. Still they managed to win with West Germany during the Wold Cup in 1974.

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  6. I somewhat disagree regarding the reasons for why Russia is so bad. The example of Hungary shows that a corrupt system can kill a great football tradition, and then sinking money into it just can’t fix it.

    It’s also probably the most complex sport (or at least one of the most complex ones) out there, while superficially giving the impression to all that they are near expert level. This makes it very difficult to improve it from the outside.

    Pouring money on it in Hungary led to a deterioration of quality, because talented players now stay at home. Why work your ass off in the German second class if you can make the same money in Hungary, and it’s easier? The players in our good 2016 squad were mostly older (it was I think the oldest squad at the Euro Cup), the next generation so far seems to be horrible.

    There are a few talented players with zero work ethic. Some of them got some work ethic around age 25, but by then it’s too late for a successful career.

    The coaches, especially the ones training the young talents, are horrible, stuck in the 1970s. They are also very good at blocking newcomers.

    I guess Russian players have it good in Russia either. They can make a lot of money, so they aren’t motivated to go abroad. It’s easier to stay at home. I also think Russian coaches, once at the cutting edge (like once Hungarian coaches were there, too), must now also be low quality.

    I’d just cut spending on it, it’s simply not good for the country. The only thing I’d spend money on is training young talents and training a new generation of coaches.

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  7. God I fucking hate sports “craptaculars”. The Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics is going to be another rerun of Sochi, though thankfully significantly cheaper since we still have tons of facilities left over from 2008, you can bet the human rights ass holes are going to make even bigger nuisances of themselves then. I honestly hope there is a boycott so the Chinese people and the Communist Party shed their “win-win” illusions and realize that the only true power is coercive power and than the West is a flat out enemy.

    That 10 billion could have paid for at least another 100 ICBMs, or 100 fighter jets, or 20 guided missile frigates. Counting the opportunity costs just pisses me off knowing that instead all of that money going to line the pockets of politically connected construction interests, it could have gone to something truly useful and kept the anglo-zio pirates at bay.

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    That 10 billion could have paid for at least another 100 ICBMs, or 100 fighter jets, or 20 guided missile frigates.
     
    That’s what I thought. I think China can better afford these kinds of prestige outlays.
    , @songbird
    I think you only need so many ICBMs for a credible threat deterrence. What the US and Russia have should probably be considered overkill.
    , @c matt
    If you are using an American defense contractor, $10 billion may only get you one of the above.
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  8. anon[262] • Disclaimer says:

    True, who cares about kicking ball, throwing large ball or beating small ball with big bat. These are amusements for the proles. The movers and shakers play larger game, and another round is about to begin.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/trump-administration-condemns-irans-role-in-facilitating-9-11-attacks/

    Trump Administration Condemns Iran’s Role In Facilitating 9/11 Attacks

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  9. Gerard2 says:

    Anatoly Karlin is a 5th columnist who wants Russia to be afflicted by radioactive paedophiles….it’s also clear he has an affection for these “cyborg” loser freaks

    This fraud recognised that the traditional liberasts ( Gessen,Albats ,Kasparov and so on) are too stupid, laughable and blinkered that only 3% of the Russian population takes them seriously , so he has found a way of repackaging their message in a way that the 97% can unsuspectingly think is supportive of Russia. Must give him kudos, because he does it skillfully.

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    Anatoly Karlin is a 5th columnist who wants Russia to be afflicted by radioactive paedophiles….

     

    how..what..what the heck...
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  10. $1o billion on the football World Cup ? Wouldn’t it have been better spent on Ice Hockey ? ( If Russia had to waste it on professional sport )
    There again, nobody gave England much chance in 1966 or Argentina in 1978.
    Russia have been so low key, they must have a reasonable chance. I think that the semi-final is a decent bet.
    If they don’t make the semi-final, then get your begging bowl out, Master Anatoly, and I will contribute 50 Euros or Pounds, or whatever, to your Trust Fund. ( If you are not already subject to primary or secondary sanctions )
    Remember this comment.

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    50 Bitcoin?
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  11. I have always been fond of international sporting events, and I feel that hosting and winning both confer prestige. I was outraged that we were defeated by the dastardly Chinese in the 2008 Summer Olympiad. China put on an amazing display–it was the moment “New China” officially came out to the world. Probably the best Olympics since 1936.

    The Sochi Winter Olympiad was very well done, and Russia won the games as well.

    Olympic hockey has long been my favorite sporting event, though unfortunately the NHL has now murdered it.

    The Kurt Russell film Miracle is an excellent dramatization of the Miracle on Ice, when an American team of college amateurs successfully defeated the crack Soviet team at Lake Placid, New York in 1980. Amusingly the film was shot in Canada, so the extras in the crowd cheering “U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!” were actually Canadians.

    The Jewish sportscaster Al Michaels called the game for ABC, and his sterling broadcast (“Do you believe in miracles?”) made his career.

    And really, it’s not like these sporting events cost that much money to host. I was outraged when Chicagoans themselves sabotaged Chicago’s bid to host the 2016 Summer Olympic Games. They apparently thought two weeks of increased traffic was too great a burden to bear in exchange for Olympic greatness.

    Of course, like German_reader says it’s only fun if the national teams are, well, national. I assume we’re all rooting for Iceland aren’t we? :)

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    Al Michaels called the game for ABC, and his sterling broadcast (“Do you believe in miracles?”) made his career.


    Good for him. He's still an ignorant MF who doesn't know that Dallas and Miami are located in southern states.

    , @Anon 2
    "We're all rooting for Iceland"

    Poland has an all-white team, captained by the great (but underpaid) Robert
    Lewandowski. Poland's FIFA ranking going into the Cup is 8, which is not bad.
    I hear Lewandowski is getting huge offers these days so it'll be interesting
    to see what he'll do next. He is still reasonably young so I wouldn't be surprised
    if in a few years he ends up with $100-200 million in net worth.
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  12. @Gerard2
    Anatoly Karlin is a 5th columnist who wants Russia to be afflicted by radioactive paedophiles....it's also clear he has an affection for these "cyborg" loser freaks

    This fraud recognised that the traditional liberasts ( Gessen,Albats ,Kasparov and so on) are too stupid, laughable and blinkered that only 3% of the Russian population takes them seriously , so he has found a way of repackaging their message in a way that the 97% can unsuspectingly think is supportive of Russia. Must give him kudos, because he does it skillfully.

    Anatoly Karlin is a 5th columnist who wants Russia to be afflicted by radioactive paedophiles….

    how..what..what the heck…

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  13. @Duke of Qin
    God I fucking hate sports "craptaculars". The Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics is going to be another rerun of Sochi, though thankfully significantly cheaper since we still have tons of facilities left over from 2008, you can bet the human rights ass holes are going to make even bigger nuisances of themselves then. I honestly hope there is a boycott so the Chinese people and the Communist Party shed their "win-win" illusions and realize that the only true power is coercive power and than the West is a flat out enemy.

    That 10 billion could have paid for at least another 100 ICBMs, or 100 fighter jets, or 20 guided missile frigates. Counting the opportunity costs just pisses me off knowing that instead all of that money going to line the pockets of politically connected construction interests, it could have gone to something truly useful and kept the anglo-zio pirates at bay.

    That 10 billion could have paid for at least another 100 ICBMs, or 100 fighter jets, or 20 guided missile frigates.

    That’s what I thought. I think China can better afford these kinds of prestige outlays.

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  14. Dmitry says:

    A case where they make a questionable deciion is building the football stadium in Saransk for $270 million.

    Obviously local people are excited Ronaldo is coming to Saransk and it’s a good month for the city on all levels especially economically (they will receive 200,000 tourists in a month).

    But what’s Mordovia going to do afterwards with the 45,000 seat stadium.

    Previously this team’s stadium had a capacity of around 11,000 seats.

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    Some issues also in Saransk. Less than two weeks before the world cup, – still all this shit on the embankment

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  15. songbird says:
    @Duke of Qin
    God I fucking hate sports "craptaculars". The Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics is going to be another rerun of Sochi, though thankfully significantly cheaper since we still have tons of facilities left over from 2008, you can bet the human rights ass holes are going to make even bigger nuisances of themselves then. I honestly hope there is a boycott so the Chinese people and the Communist Party shed their "win-win" illusions and realize that the only true power is coercive power and than the West is a flat out enemy.

    That 10 billion could have paid for at least another 100 ICBMs, or 100 fighter jets, or 20 guided missile frigates. Counting the opportunity costs just pisses me off knowing that instead all of that money going to line the pockets of politically connected construction interests, it could have gone to something truly useful and kept the anglo-zio pirates at bay.

    I think you only need so many ICBMs for a credible threat deterrence. What the US and Russia have should probably be considered overkill.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Duke is pining for the New Ming Dynasty, so its never going to be enough.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Should deterrence fail and the "unthinkable" happen, though, I suspect it really would pay to have the capability of utterly demolishing as opposed to just crippling the enemy. Considering that their attitudes may well shift from "hostile" to "genocidal" in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange, regardless of whether they're hit with a dozen or 5,000 nukes. In any case, I would certainly seek to match the Russian and US arsenals if I was Chinese.
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  16. neutral says:


    I wonder what would happen if someone really wore such a shirt in Russia.

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  17. @songbird
    I think you only need so many ICBMs for a credible threat deterrence. What the US and Russia have should probably be considered overkill.

    Duke is pining for the New Ming Dynasty, so its never going to be enough.

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    • Replies: @Duke of Qin
    No, if you had read my other writing elsewhere, I am against the restoration of the Chinese monarchy because it has demonstrably failed in the past and the ways it has failed always coincided with monarchs who either were incapable or uninterested in exercising actual power, leaving court decision making monopolized by a court composed of female regents and other cunts (I cannot stress this term enough) who should have no say in the affairs of state. Even in the case of a good emperor, a terminal case of nobles oblige is probably inevitable since an emperor by dint of being emperor will vastly removed from his subjects. I am not adverse to the restoration of an emperor as a reactionary shilling point just to spit all over Chinese liberals, but I do not see it as a long term solution to actual governance.

    My ideal government for China is to adopt the civic militarist attitudes that proved so successful with small European polities and wed them to a minimalist quasi army-state administration whose only purpose for existence is impartial arbitration of Chinese law and war making modeled after post Shang Yang/Han Fei Qin. Rather than power centralized in the status of a singular abstract emperor though. Legal authority and thus suffrage should be limited to the upper proletariat, and lower and middle bourgeoisie males. Women don't get a vote, in fact spinster childless women should cost their male relatives votes out of simple principal. In contravention of Chinese tradition, the elderly don't get a vote either because the changing demographic balance is quite ahistorical and will be needed to avoid gerontacratic capture as has happened in the West. It may actually be more appropriate to not enfranchise individuals at all but family units. Only Han Chinese men with a minimal amount of financial capital from the ages of 18-65 with a minimum of 5-10 years of military service get a say in how the state should be run and the state itself should only be involved in 3 areas: Maintaining an army, maintaining the police and courts, maintaining an education system to feed the army and minimalist administrative demands of said army. All other factors the Chinese people should self organize and take care of on their own. Ideally I want at most 10% of the male population involved in political decision making.
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  18. Anonymous[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Most Americans don’t give a shit about soccer. It’s about as exciting as listening to a golf match on radio. But civilized peoples are outraged by the slaughter of stray dogs for this world soccer bullshit. The story regarding the killings of stray dogs in Russia for this soccer match has been prominently displayed on The DrudgeReport, the most widely seen news source. Not good if Russia gives a shit about PR in the civilized world.

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    Russia should kill all the strays and anyone who declares otherwise is just a big whiney baby. The "civilized" world as you call it is really just the "infantilized" world who have become too detached from their farming ancestors and thus have started to anthropomorphize livestock and pets. You know who didn't care about animal rights? Everyone when people were regularly beheading chickens and slaughtering pigs to get their doses of protein. If you've got four legs and weren't economically productive, you got eaten.

    You never see actual farmers or people who practice animal husbandry today at animal rights protests, but rather urban assholes who get their chicken breasts, pork chops, and beef steaks in sterile meticulous plastic packaging from whole foods devoid of all the blood, gore, viscera and the screaming that comes from actually having to butcher animals yourselves. People who are exposed to actual slaughter come to realize just how farcical and hypocritical the bleating about animal welfare truly is considering what the price is for anyone who eats meat. At least the militant vegans are consistent while being annoying. Eating factory produced chicken while moaning about stray dogs being clubbed in the head is just stupid.
    , @c matt
    Most Americans also have the IQ of a baseball, which explains why they can sit for hours watching some guy scratch his nuts, while everyone else stands around waiting for him to throw a damn ball. At least it allows guys with beer bellies to call themselves "athletes."
    , @ussr andy
    >Not good if Russia gives a shit about PR in the civilized world.

    f*** the "civilized" world and its manufactured dildo social obsessions. you know what's civilized? not getting mauled by packs of dogs on your way to work. uncontrolled strays is the embodiment of 3rd worldishness.

    they should go protest Big Ag, that's where most animal suffering is.
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  19. @songbird
    I think you only need so many ICBMs for a credible threat deterrence. What the US and Russia have should probably be considered overkill.

    Should deterrence fail and the “unthinkable” happen, though, I suspect it really would pay to have the capability of utterly demolishing as opposed to just crippling the enemy. Considering that their attitudes may well shift from “hostile” to “genocidal” in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange, regardless of whether they’re hit with a dozen or 5,000 nukes. In any case, I would certainly seek to match the Russian and US arsenals if I was Chinese.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    I always imagine the genocide phase to be bio-weapons, but I suppose nukes are a bit easier to manage.
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  20. iffen says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I have always been fond of international sporting events, and I feel that hosting and winning both confer prestige. I was outraged that we were defeated by the dastardly Chinese in the 2008 Summer Olympiad. China put on an amazing display--it was the moment "New China" officially came out to the world. Probably the best Olympics since 1936.

    The Sochi Winter Olympiad was very well done, and Russia won the games as well.

    Olympic hockey has long been my favorite sporting event, though unfortunately the NHL has now murdered it.

    The Kurt Russell film Miracle is an excellent dramatization of the Miracle on Ice, when an American team of college amateurs successfully defeated the crack Soviet team at Lake Placid, New York in 1980. Amusingly the film was shot in Canada, so the extras in the crowd cheering "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!" were actually Canadians.

    The Jewish sportscaster Al Michaels called the game for ABC, and his sterling broadcast ("Do you believe in miracles?") made his career.

    And really, it's not like these sporting events cost that much money to host. I was outraged when Chicagoans themselves sabotaged Chicago's bid to host the 2016 Summer Olympic Games. They apparently thought two weeks of increased traffic was too great a burden to bear in exchange for Olympic greatness.

    Of course, like German_reader says it's only fun if the national teams are, well, national. I assume we're all rooting for Iceland aren't we? :)

    Al Michaels called the game for ABC, and his sterling broadcast (“Do you believe in miracles?”) made his career.

    Good for him. He’s still an ignorant MF who doesn’t know that Dallas and Miami are located in southern states.

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  21. Does Russia have a lot of football hooligans and can we expect violence?
    I know it would be bad for Russia’s image, but at least it might make the world cup more exciting.

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    https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1001756990094413824

    The Britbongs need to be punished good.
    , @Dmitry
    Well it's two different things.

    Hooligans will not create any trouble during the World Cup. The security level in participating cities is very high at the moment, with thousands of police coming as reinforcements from other regions.

    Foreign fans will be warmly and safely welcomed (they'll go .

    To focus just on Saransk again. They are boasting about how they've rebuilt the airport, rebuilt the whole city in preparation, restored many old buildings, and are going to keep all museums of local history into the evening.

    They are even making a Latino-style carnival for the fans.

    They also close down all the roads into the city, and introduce unprecedented level of security, which is annoying some local people.

    Actually one of the stories is they kicked out students from university accommodation, and use the university accommodation to house hundreds of police reinforcements.

    , @SteveRogers42
    Russia's hooligans are brutal and well-organized, but I have no doubt that Mr. Putin will keep them under control during this showcase event.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE0qSx0P6ak
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  22. @German_reader
    Does Russia have a lot of football hooligans and can we expect violence?
    I know it would be bad for Russia's image, but at least it might make the world cup more exciting.

    The Britbongs need to be punished good.

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  23. @Verymuchalive
    $1o billion on the football World Cup ? Wouldn't it have been better spent on Ice Hockey ? ( If Russia had to waste it on professional sport )
    There again, nobody gave England much chance in 1966 or Argentina in 1978.
    Russia have been so low key, they must have a reasonable chance. I think that the semi-final is a decent bet.
    If they don't make the semi-final, then get your begging bowl out, Master Anatoly, and I will contribute 50 Euros or Pounds, or whatever, to your Trust Fund. ( If you are not already subject to primary or secondary sanctions )
    Remember this comment.

    50 Bitcoin?

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  24. @Anonymous
    Most Americans don’t give a shit about soccer. It’s about as exciting as listening to a golf match on radio. But civilized peoples are outraged by the slaughter of stray dogs for this world soccer bullshit. The story regarding the killings of stray dogs in Russia for this soccer match has been prominently displayed on The DrudgeReport, the most widely seen news source. Not good if Russia gives a shit about PR in the civilized world.

    Russia should kill all the strays and anyone who declares otherwise is just a big whiney baby. The “civilized” world as you call it is really just the “infantilized” world who have become too detached from their farming ancestors and thus have started to anthropomorphize livestock and pets. You know who didn’t care about animal rights? Everyone when people were regularly beheading chickens and slaughtering pigs to get their doses of protein. If you’ve got four legs and weren’t economically productive, you got eaten.

    You never see actual farmers or people who practice animal husbandry today at animal rights protests, but rather urban assholes who get their chicken breasts, pork chops, and beef steaks in sterile meticulous plastic packaging from whole foods devoid of all the blood, gore, viscera and the screaming that comes from actually having to butcher animals yourselves. People who are exposed to actual slaughter come to realize just how farcical and hypocritical the bleating about animal welfare truly is considering what the price is for anyone who eats meat. At least the militant vegans are consistent while being annoying. Eating factory produced chicken while moaning about stray dogs being clubbed in the head is just stupid.

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    Strongly agree.

    4H should be compulsory in public education in order to immunize children against animal rights.

    Counterintelligence agencies need to identify all animal rights activists, vegetarians, and (especially) vegans. They should then be rounded up and sent to concentration camps.

    It should be illegal to serve vegetarian meals to anyone unable to produce an Indian passport.
    , @utu
    Anthropomorphizing livestock is a sign of progress. Some degree of hypocrisy is also a very good thing. A society where everybody would speak whatever came to their mind would be unbearable.
    , @songbird
    Chickens are utterly monstrous animals - nobody should have any compunction about killing them. Their taste is their one redeeming quality.

    Yamnaya boys supposedly raised dogs up from pups and then killed them to toughen themselves up. Pretty messed up, but it must have worked.
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  25. @Duke of Qin
    Russia should kill all the strays and anyone who declares otherwise is just a big whiney baby. The "civilized" world as you call it is really just the "infantilized" world who have become too detached from their farming ancestors and thus have started to anthropomorphize livestock and pets. You know who didn't care about animal rights? Everyone when people were regularly beheading chickens and slaughtering pigs to get their doses of protein. If you've got four legs and weren't economically productive, you got eaten.

    You never see actual farmers or people who practice animal husbandry today at animal rights protests, but rather urban assholes who get their chicken breasts, pork chops, and beef steaks in sterile meticulous plastic packaging from whole foods devoid of all the blood, gore, viscera and the screaming that comes from actually having to butcher animals yourselves. People who are exposed to actual slaughter come to realize just how farcical and hypocritical the bleating about animal welfare truly is considering what the price is for anyone who eats meat. At least the militant vegans are consistent while being annoying. Eating factory produced chicken while moaning about stray dogs being clubbed in the head is just stupid.

    Strongly agree.

    4H should be compulsory in public education in order to immunize children against animal rights.

    Counterintelligence agencies need to identify all animal rights activists, vegetarians, and (especially) vegans. They should then be rounded up and sent to concentration camps.

    It should be illegal to serve vegetarian meals to anyone unable to produce an Indian passport.

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    Why not just send them all to India, where they can be come Jainists? Meanwhile, those who won't eat pork should be sent to Pakistan.
    , @ussr andy
    meat eating should not be glorified, nor should the infantilism of Western city-dwellers be counter-signalled with extreme callousness. people who are jerks to animals are often jerks to other people as well.

    in trad cultures they have slaughter rituals, prayers etc. today's people get their meat vacuum-sealed from the supermarket. there's something very, very icky just looking at the numbers of animals killed, never mind the manner in which.

    the problem is the "spic-nig cycle." i.e., the thing has developed a "self-dynamic" that is over and above what should be necessary to supply everyone with animal protein (and there's a perverse economic incentive to have more and more "everyones"). Which is why every year we read about fruit rotting in the fields. It's only incidental that public opinion don't yet tolerate tales of "animals that go unkilled."

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  26. Completely off-topic, but it appears that American Pew research center now recognises Crimea as a part of Russia. Look closely at this map:

    Notice the contrast between China and India. India really looks like a backward, third-world country with such attitudes.

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    India has always been a shithole. The human capital there probably is on par with sub-saharan Africa, they have just been comparatively more lucky in lack of geographic isolation.
    , @gate666
    india can be considered a fourth world country.
    , @Greasy William
    USA! G-d continues to pour his favor upon the American people.

    Suck it, Europe.

    Have to admit that I'm disappointed and surprised by Eastern Europe. Russia was never that pious, even under the Tsars so I'm not surprised by the Russian numbers. To the Russians here: were any of the Russian Tsars known to be religious?

    The Russian numbers may actually be even worse than they appear because Russian Muslims may be driving the number up.

    It looks like Romania and Greece are somewhat religious.

    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now? Is there any chance that the mullahs have more support than we have been led to believe in the West?
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  27. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader
    Does Russia have a lot of football hooligans and can we expect violence?
    I know it would be bad for Russia's image, but at least it might make the world cup more exciting.

    Well it’s two different things.

    Hooligans will not create any trouble during the World Cup. The security level in participating cities is very high at the moment, with thousands of police coming as reinforcements from other regions.

    Foreign fans will be warmly and safely welcomed (they’ll go .

    To focus just on Saransk again. They are boasting about how they’ve rebuilt the airport, rebuilt the whole city in preparation, restored many old buildings, and are going to keep all museums of local history into the evening.

    They are even making a Latino-style carnival for the fans.

    They also close down all the roads into the city, and introduce unprecedented level of security, which is annoying some local people.

    Actually one of the stories is they kicked out students from university accommodation, and use the university accommodation to house hundreds of police reinforcements.

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  28. c matt says:
    @Duke of Qin
    God I fucking hate sports "craptaculars". The Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics is going to be another rerun of Sochi, though thankfully significantly cheaper since we still have tons of facilities left over from 2008, you can bet the human rights ass holes are going to make even bigger nuisances of themselves then. I honestly hope there is a boycott so the Chinese people and the Communist Party shed their "win-win" illusions and realize that the only true power is coercive power and than the West is a flat out enemy.

    That 10 billion could have paid for at least another 100 ICBMs, or 100 fighter jets, or 20 guided missile frigates. Counting the opportunity costs just pisses me off knowing that instead all of that money going to line the pockets of politically connected construction interests, it could have gone to something truly useful and kept the anglo-zio pirates at bay.

    If you are using an American defense contractor, $10 billion may only get you one of the above.

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  29. c matt says:
    @Anonymous
    Most Americans don’t give a shit about soccer. It’s about as exciting as listening to a golf match on radio. But civilized peoples are outraged by the slaughter of stray dogs for this world soccer bullshit. The story regarding the killings of stray dogs in Russia for this soccer match has been prominently displayed on The DrudgeReport, the most widely seen news source. Not good if Russia gives a shit about PR in the civilized world.

    Most Americans also have the IQ of a baseball, which explains why they can sit for hours watching some guy scratch his nuts, while everyone else stands around waiting for him to throw a damn ball. At least it allows guys with beer bellies to call themselves “athletes.”

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  30. @Daniel Chieh
    Duke is pining for the New Ming Dynasty, so its never going to be enough.

    No, if you had read my other writing elsewhere, I am against the restoration of the Chinese monarchy because it has demonstrably failed in the past and the ways it has failed always coincided with monarchs who either were incapable or uninterested in exercising actual power, leaving court decision making monopolized by a court composed of female regents and other cunts (I cannot stress this term enough) who should have no say in the affairs of state. Even in the case of a good emperor, a terminal case of nobles oblige is probably inevitable since an emperor by dint of being emperor will vastly removed from his subjects. I am not adverse to the restoration of an emperor as a reactionary shilling point just to spit all over Chinese liberals, but I do not see it as a long term solution to actual governance.

    My ideal government for China is to adopt the civic militarist attitudes that proved so successful with small European polities and wed them to a minimalist quasi army-state administration whose only purpose for existence is impartial arbitration of Chinese law and war making modeled after post Shang Yang/Han Fei Qin. Rather than power centralized in the status of a singular abstract emperor though. Legal authority and thus suffrage should be limited to the upper proletariat, and lower and middle bourgeoisie males. Women don’t get a vote, in fact spinster childless women should cost their male relatives votes out of simple principal. In contravention of Chinese tradition, the elderly don’t get a vote either because the changing demographic balance is quite ahistorical and will be needed to avoid gerontacratic capture as has happened in the West. It may actually be more appropriate to not enfranchise individuals at all but family units. Only Han Chinese men with a minimal amount of financial capital from the ages of 18-65 with a minimum of 5-10 years of military service get a say in how the state should be run and the state itself should only be involved in 3 areas: Maintaining an army, maintaining the police and courts, maintaining an education system to feed the army and minimalist administrative demands of said army. All other factors the Chinese people should self organize and take care of on their own. Ideally I want at most 10% of the male population involved in political decision making.

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    Well, technically its 7% of the Chinese population at the moment who rule the rest, so its not too far off from your ideas.

    Overall, I don't disagree much though I would prefer at least some Confucian ideals to keep their honored place; I think that it would be consistent with the notion of family units as the lowest political entity and I have a great deal of appreciation for compassion as a certain barometer for civilization. And there is, of course, something beautiful about the notion of striving for virtue and to be a shi in a fallen world.

    I'm not sure how you're using Legalism in this, to be honest; it seems to basically be the part of Legalism that would be roughly equivalent to "rule of law", since your Legalism isn't trying to centralize power in a state?

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  31. utu says:
    @Duke of Qin
    Russia should kill all the strays and anyone who declares otherwise is just a big whiney baby. The "civilized" world as you call it is really just the "infantilized" world who have become too detached from their farming ancestors and thus have started to anthropomorphize livestock and pets. You know who didn't care about animal rights? Everyone when people were regularly beheading chickens and slaughtering pigs to get their doses of protein. If you've got four legs and weren't economically productive, you got eaten.

    You never see actual farmers or people who practice animal husbandry today at animal rights protests, but rather urban assholes who get their chicken breasts, pork chops, and beef steaks in sterile meticulous plastic packaging from whole foods devoid of all the blood, gore, viscera and the screaming that comes from actually having to butcher animals yourselves. People who are exposed to actual slaughter come to realize just how farcical and hypocritical the bleating about animal welfare truly is considering what the price is for anyone who eats meat. At least the militant vegans are consistent while being annoying. Eating factory produced chicken while moaning about stray dogs being clubbed in the head is just stupid.

    Anthropomorphizing livestock is a sign of progress. Some degree of hypocrisy is also a very good thing. A society where everybody would speak whatever came to their mind would be unbearable.

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    Homer wrote he couldn't bear a man who believed one thing in his heart but said another. Masculine civilizations tell each other the truth. The food chain is the truth My grandmother used to roll a screaming pig on its back and stab it in the heart. Stop being so sentiocentric.
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  32. songbird says:
    @Duke of Qin
    Russia should kill all the strays and anyone who declares otherwise is just a big whiney baby. The "civilized" world as you call it is really just the "infantilized" world who have become too detached from their farming ancestors and thus have started to anthropomorphize livestock and pets. You know who didn't care about animal rights? Everyone when people were regularly beheading chickens and slaughtering pigs to get their doses of protein. If you've got four legs and weren't economically productive, you got eaten.

    You never see actual farmers or people who practice animal husbandry today at animal rights protests, but rather urban assholes who get their chicken breasts, pork chops, and beef steaks in sterile meticulous plastic packaging from whole foods devoid of all the blood, gore, viscera and the screaming that comes from actually having to butcher animals yourselves. People who are exposed to actual slaughter come to realize just how farcical and hypocritical the bleating about animal welfare truly is considering what the price is for anyone who eats meat. At least the militant vegans are consistent while being annoying. Eating factory produced chicken while moaning about stray dogs being clubbed in the head is just stupid.

    Chickens are utterly monstrous animals – nobody should have any compunction about killing them. Their taste is their one redeeming quality.

    Yamnaya boys supposedly raised dogs up from pups and then killed them to toughen themselves up. Pretty messed up, but it must have worked.

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  33. Matra says:

    the kremlins are obsessed with big sporting events, because (in their cargo cult minds) it helps raise the country’s “prestige”

    Yet these events usually result in lots of bad press for Russia. The Sochi F1 race is one of the worst on the calendar. The Western European F1 reporters often tell their audiences about their bureaucratic experiences getting Visas, etc, and Putin’s annual visit to the back room with the podium finishers – AFAIK no other leader does this – is always awkward for the drivers and the subject of much mockery from F1 fans. Virtually none of the GPs come close to even breaking even so a lot of money is being spent for this bad press.

    Climatic factors mean that Russians are simply not cut out for football

    I somewhat remember the USSR team in the 1980s. In 1986 they topped their group over much fancied France then after leading most of the match got knocked out in extra time by eventual semi-finalists Belgium. At Euro 1988 they beat the Dutch (and English) in the group stage then lost to the same Dutch team in the final. I assume the players were mostly ethnic Russians – maybe some Ukrainians too? – so they’d no trouble producing a world class team back then.

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    Hardly the worst. Last year at the Brazil GP, Hamilton's crew got mugged at gunpoint. That was just one of five 'incidents'.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/nov/13/mclaren-interlagos-security-f1-brazilian-grand-prix


    In previous years, since I have been covering F1, I have noticed the police that line the route from the bridge I mentioned above, all the way to the circuit. Grouped in twos or threes at 100-200 yard intervals all the way along the route.

     

    http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/32421/11127441/rachels-brazilian-gp-diary

    Reminds me of a story a colleague told me about attending a scientific conference in Detroit a couple of decades ago. There apparently was a corridor of police officers stretching from the venue to the main hotel. Those who ventured beyond of course got mugged.
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  34. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Strongly agree.

    4H should be compulsory in public education in order to immunize children against animal rights.

    Counterintelligence agencies need to identify all animal rights activists, vegetarians, and (especially) vegans. They should then be rounded up and sent to concentration camps.

    It should be illegal to serve vegetarian meals to anyone unable to produce an Indian passport.

    Why not just send them all to India, where they can be come Jainists? Meanwhile, those who won’t eat pork should be sent to Pakistan.

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  35. Beckow says:
    @German_reader
    I think lots of people in Western Europe care less and less too, due to the ethnic composition of the teams and their use for multiculturalist/immigrationist propaganda. I can't even begin to imagine how deluded a white Frenchman would have to be to cheer for the French team.
    Besides, those cretins just get way too much money for kicking around a ball anyway.
    But yes, probably a waste of money for Russia.

    They have built stadium, roads, parking lots, hotels, clinics, parks… In Sochi they also built a new train connection and ski resorts. What would you prefer they spend the money on? Most societies spend incredible amounts on stale institutions that do very little, office buildings full of people having meetings, writing memos, watching the clock. Not much comes out of that. At least when a country builds something, it is tangible and is useful for a long time. We should do more of it, not less.

    There will always will be waste and corruption on public infrastructure projects. It is like a tip added to our bill, maybe in Russia the tip is excessive, maybe not. But that’s a different issue. The cretins kicking the ball entertain us and live in one of the few truly merit based systems around.

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    People keep dismissing the opportunity cost of money. Sochi was a feeding trough flushing Russian taxpayer money into the hands of politically connected construction oligarchs and the result of it was almost useless under utilized resorts. Yes, it is better than paying annual ever escalating Danegeld to murderous Muslims and Africans because those facilities are there should Russians actually desire to use them (most wont avail themselves) but Russia doesn't have as much money to waste as the West nor can it afford to be so profligate. The money could have been spent better almost anywhere else.

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.

    Worst of all they wasted that money in Sochi of all places rather than St. Petersburg or Moscow. Grand extravgant monuments in the vein of Ozymandias in your capital is one thing. Putting it where neither Russians nor anyone else will go to see and admire is something else.

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  36. Dmitry says:

    Slepakov’s mocking of Kadyrov – is so popular today, it is even trending in international versions of youtube?

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    What is he singing about?
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  37. @Beckow
    They have built stadium, roads, parking lots, hotels, clinics, parks... In Sochi they also built a new train connection and ski resorts. What would you prefer they spend the money on? Most societies spend incredible amounts on stale institutions that do very little, office buildings full of people having meetings, writing memos, watching the clock. Not much comes out of that. At least when a country builds something, it is tangible and is useful for a long time. We should do more of it, not less.

    There will always will be waste and corruption on public infrastructure projects. It is like a tip added to our bill, maybe in Russia the tip is excessive, maybe not. But that's a different issue. The cretins kicking the ball entertain us and live in one of the few truly merit based systems around.

    People keep dismissing the opportunity cost of money. Sochi was a feeding trough flushing Russian taxpayer money into the hands of politically connected construction oligarchs and the result of it was almost useless under utilized resorts. Yes, it is better than paying annual ever escalating Danegeld to murderous Muslims and Africans because those facilities are there should Russians actually desire to use them (most wont avail themselves) but Russia doesn’t have as much money to waste as the West nor can it afford to be so profligate. The money could have been spent better almost anywhere else.

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.

    Worst of all they wasted that money in Sochi of all places rather than St. Petersburg or Moscow. Grand extravgant monuments in the vein of Ozymandias in your capital is one thing. Putting it where neither Russians nor anyone else will go to see and admire is something else.

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    Not a fan of Olympic games or the Putin regime, but this comment is simply ridiculous. 6,5 million tourists visited Sochi in 2017. I don't vacation in Sochi, but based on the reports Olympic-related spending made a difference. Even the viciously anti-Putin Washington Post somewhat agrees:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/that-sochi-olympic-boondoggle-russians-say-all-the-investment-is-paying-off/2017/11/13/65014bd0-b82c-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html?utm_term=.035ecfb2e747
    , @Beckow
    The idea that investing in permanent infrastructure is 'spending' misses the point of what money, assets, debt, etc... really mean. If I build a house, I have a house - the 'spending' doesn't disappear, it is there - in the house. Not all infrastructure works that way, but a lot of it does. It adds assets that can be monetised if needed. You can sell it, you can't sell someone's school lunch. Mixing this investment with transactional spending is a mistake.

    You suggest some sensible transactional spending: health care, pension, etc...sure, why not? I am all for spending more, Russia has minuscule debt. They have been stupid and cautious for no good reason. Making money scarce is idiotic, it is our invention, we control it, within reason we should use it make lives better. Lately just about every country has erred on the side of austerity and we are coming to regret it.

    Sochi has been a success, the investment will probably generate an order of magnitude more in economic activity over the next 50 years, and most assets will still be there at that time. I don't like the way it was done, lots of people enriched themselves. But if the choice is to do nothing or do it with the usual corruption, I would choose to do it. It is just money after all, let's stop being intimidated by the concept, we have invented it...
    , @anonymous coward

    Sochi was a feeding trough flushing Russian taxpayer money into the hands of politically connected construction oligarchs and the result of it was almost useless under utilized resorts.
     
    No. Sochi was a dump before the Olympics, and became a nice modern city after.

    The Olympics was an excuse to fix sanitation, road and urban sprawl problems.


    Worst of all they wasted that money in Sochi of all places rather than St. Petersburg or Moscow.
     
    Sochi is a pretty big city of 500 thousand permanent residents, with who knows how many transient. The investments were for the people of Sochi first and foremost. You can argue that some other city should have received this windfall, but suggesting St. Pete and Moscow is just ridiculous. The two capitals are fine as it is already, they don't need even more government money.
    , @Felix Keverich

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.
     
    This may have been mentioned before, but Russian government finally agreed to raise the retirement age. It will gradually increase starting in 2019, up to 65 years for men and 63 years women (it's currently 60 years for men and 55 years for women).

    As a (relatively young) Russian I think that's fantastic news and long overdue as Russia's life expentancy is fast approaching the European levels. I particularly like that the increase will be bigger for women: women in Russia will on average 10 years longer, the fact that they also retire 5 years early seems really odd to me - one of the bizarre relics of the Soviet era.

    Also, the government insists it will NOT allow gasoline prices reach 100 roubles per litre. lol
    It is currently sitting at 45 roubles per litre. An increase to 100 roubles would put Russia roughly on par with Poland - Russian gasoline prices are very low.
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  38. Gerard2 says:

    Untold billions of dollars spent on new football stadiums

    In Karlin land, expenditure exists, but there is no such thing as income ( the World Cup will make Russia a few billion dollars profit you fool)

    The Zenit Arena is nowhere near this list of most expensive stadiums…… London have 2, billion dollar stadiums in the revamped Wembley and the ludicrously thought-out Olympic Stadium whose costs have ballooned to the billion dollar mark because of the renovations to turn it into a more football friendly stadium ( and the new stadium of Tottenham Hotspur could reach 1 billion also)

    Zenit Saint Petersburg are a very profitable club, one of the most profitable in Europe….the Zenit Arena is beautiful and will , eventually turn into a profitable asset

    They could and perhaps should have allowed Krasnodar on the list of host cities, because they have a beautiful stadium built, from private money….but I understand the reasons why they didn’t.

    A key promise they were unable to keep was the Kazan-Moscow ,High-speed rail but at least this saves on the budget. Real transport infrastructure improvement comes with this World Cup….with Russia having much more highly intensely populated cities than the rest of Europe and most of the World……this is significant

    Lavish spending on football players. The hiring of some of Europe’s most expensive and prestigious coaches.

    This is true, but Turkey have done the same thing as Russia in this regard, also with mixed to negative results, so to have England…with still horrible results for their national team…..but they do have a very profitable and successful league.

    FIFA has banned pro-Donbass singer Yulia Chicherina from performing at the opening ceremonies in Rostov on Don, with official Russia not uttering a word of complaint about that.

    Because FIFA have risked everything to give Russia the World Cup, keep them as hosts, and promote them as hosts, you idiot Anatoly. They have paid financially for this from the Anglo-American thugs. FIFA are clearly not an anti-Russia organisation.

    At almost $10 billion, Russia spent more on stadium construction than any previous FIFA World Cup host – Korea/Japan in 2002, South Africa in 2010, and Brazil in 2014 all spent around $6 billion on stadiums.

    Wow….dumbass Leonid, anti-Russian cunt ….is a reliable source of news in Karlinland! WTF?

    the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014 – a vanity project that has only been rivaled by the white elephants in the Gulf Arab monarchies in the 21st century.

    Sigh…..total garbage. Not only, obviously was the whole of Sochi improved ( backed up by summer AND winter tourism after 2014)..Gulf countries dont pay any of their own for the design and build of these projects

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  39. @Duke of Qin
    People keep dismissing the opportunity cost of money. Sochi was a feeding trough flushing Russian taxpayer money into the hands of politically connected construction oligarchs and the result of it was almost useless under utilized resorts. Yes, it is better than paying annual ever escalating Danegeld to murderous Muslims and Africans because those facilities are there should Russians actually desire to use them (most wont avail themselves) but Russia doesn't have as much money to waste as the West nor can it afford to be so profligate. The money could have been spent better almost anywhere else.

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.

    Worst of all they wasted that money in Sochi of all places rather than St. Petersburg or Moscow. Grand extravgant monuments in the vein of Ozymandias in your capital is one thing. Putting it where neither Russians nor anyone else will go to see and admire is something else.

    Not a fan of Olympic games or the Putin regime, but this comment is simply ridiculous. 6,5 million tourists visited Sochi in 2017. I don’t vacation in Sochi, but based on the reports Olympic-related spending made a difference. Even the viciously anti-Putin Washington Post somewhat agrees:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/that-sochi-olympic-boondoggle-russians-say-all-the-investment-is-paying-off/2017/11/13/65014bd0-b82c-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html?utm_term=.035ecfb2e747

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    Glad to know that Sochi's tourism intake is doing well. It still doesn't justify all of that wasteful spending. The article notes that the tax revenue from tourism was a mere $55 million. Even attributing ALL of that from the Olympics and assuming interest rates of 0% means that it will take 1000 years for Sochi to pay it off.
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  40. songbird says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Should deterrence fail and the "unthinkable" happen, though, I suspect it really would pay to have the capability of utterly demolishing as opposed to just crippling the enemy. Considering that their attitudes may well shift from "hostile" to "genocidal" in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange, regardless of whether they're hit with a dozen or 5,000 nukes. In any case, I would certainly seek to match the Russian and US arsenals if I was Chinese.

    I always imagine the genocide phase to be bio-weapons, but I suppose nukes are a bit easier to manage.

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  41. @Felix Keverich
    Not a fan of Olympic games or the Putin regime, but this comment is simply ridiculous. 6,5 million tourists visited Sochi in 2017. I don't vacation in Sochi, but based on the reports Olympic-related spending made a difference. Even the viciously anti-Putin Washington Post somewhat agrees:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/that-sochi-olympic-boondoggle-russians-say-all-the-investment-is-paying-off/2017/11/13/65014bd0-b82c-11e7-9b93-b97043e57a22_story.html?utm_term=.035ecfb2e747

    Glad to know that Sochi’s tourism intake is doing well. It still doesn’t justify all of that wasteful spending. The article notes that the tax revenue from tourism was a mere $55 million. Even attributing ALL of that from the Olympics and assuming interest rates of 0% means that it will take 1000 years for Sochi to pay it off.

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    There's some miscalculation here, if Sochi receives more than 6 million tourists each year, to assume the annual revenue with then is $55 million means each visitor brings only 9 dollars to the city. The accurate numbers are on billions, for sure, which makes Sochi a successful and profitable investment even before the long term.
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  42. @Duke of Qin
    No, if you had read my other writing elsewhere, I am against the restoration of the Chinese monarchy because it has demonstrably failed in the past and the ways it has failed always coincided with monarchs who either were incapable or uninterested in exercising actual power, leaving court decision making monopolized by a court composed of female regents and other cunts (I cannot stress this term enough) who should have no say in the affairs of state. Even in the case of a good emperor, a terminal case of nobles oblige is probably inevitable since an emperor by dint of being emperor will vastly removed from his subjects. I am not adverse to the restoration of an emperor as a reactionary shilling point just to spit all over Chinese liberals, but I do not see it as a long term solution to actual governance.

    My ideal government for China is to adopt the civic militarist attitudes that proved so successful with small European polities and wed them to a minimalist quasi army-state administration whose only purpose for existence is impartial arbitration of Chinese law and war making modeled after post Shang Yang/Han Fei Qin. Rather than power centralized in the status of a singular abstract emperor though. Legal authority and thus suffrage should be limited to the upper proletariat, and lower and middle bourgeoisie males. Women don't get a vote, in fact spinster childless women should cost their male relatives votes out of simple principal. In contravention of Chinese tradition, the elderly don't get a vote either because the changing demographic balance is quite ahistorical and will be needed to avoid gerontacratic capture as has happened in the West. It may actually be more appropriate to not enfranchise individuals at all but family units. Only Han Chinese men with a minimal amount of financial capital from the ages of 18-65 with a minimum of 5-10 years of military service get a say in how the state should be run and the state itself should only be involved in 3 areas: Maintaining an army, maintaining the police and courts, maintaining an education system to feed the army and minimalist administrative demands of said army. All other factors the Chinese people should self organize and take care of on their own. Ideally I want at most 10% of the male population involved in political decision making.

    Well, technically its 7% of the Chinese population at the moment who rule the rest, so its not too far off from your ideas.

    Overall, I don’t disagree much though I would prefer at least some Confucian ideals to keep their honored place; I think that it would be consistent with the notion of family units as the lowest political entity and I have a great deal of appreciation for compassion as a certain barometer for civilization. And there is, of course, something beautiful about the notion of striving for virtue and to be a shi in a fallen world.

    I’m not sure how you’re using Legalism in this, to be honest; it seems to basically be the part of Legalism that would be roughly equivalent to “rule of law”, since your Legalism isn’t trying to centralize power in a state?

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    This is unrelated to your discussion.

    Just wanted to say that I appreciate you and the Duke of Qin commenting to give us a Chinese perspective.

    China is supposed to be a rival and enemy of America.

    I sometimes wonder if these things really matter anymore.

    Seems like Americans, Chinese, Russians, Germans, etc. don't really have important quarrels anymore. The real enemy for all of us is within our own countries.

    Perhaps we should unite and collaborate in destroying these enemies.
    , @Duke of QIn
    The Communist Party is an imperfect organization, one part traitorous and two parts gloriously reactionary. It is the best out of a stable of bad choices though sub-optimal to what I have in mind. It is also unfortunately a civilian bureaucracy and not a military one. Mao was wrong in that the Party should always wield the gun, rather it should be that the Party is the gun. China's most stable and prosperous periods were ushered in by men who came from the military aristocracy and decay inevitably set in when the military was de prioritized by a court governed by the families of Empress regents.

    My definition of the rule of law is vastly different than what most of the West today would classify as rule of law. Laws emerge from the collective morals of their respective communities, that is they reflect the interests and sensibilities of men. There can be no universal law because each community has their own particular values. That they should be neutrally enforced and applicable to the extent of their communities I whole heartedly concur. What Chinese liberals and their degenerate race defiling enablers in the West mean by "rule of law" is actually rule by a blacked robed judicial commissariat. The law here being enforced is not so much community consensus by rather administrative fiat driven by a degenerate globohomo elite. Such as Hong Kong inviting two elderly British women to be judges.

    Sending masses of Uyghurs to reducation camps would accordingly be against the rule of law to them. However effective policing of ornery Muslims is right and proper and within Chinese consensus, hence is perfectly following Chinese law in my book.
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  43. @Daniel Chieh
    Well, technically its 7% of the Chinese population at the moment who rule the rest, so its not too far off from your ideas.

    Overall, I don't disagree much though I would prefer at least some Confucian ideals to keep their honored place; I think that it would be consistent with the notion of family units as the lowest political entity and I have a great deal of appreciation for compassion as a certain barometer for civilization. And there is, of course, something beautiful about the notion of striving for virtue and to be a shi in a fallen world.

    I'm not sure how you're using Legalism in this, to be honest; it seems to basically be the part of Legalism that would be roughly equivalent to "rule of law", since your Legalism isn't trying to centralize power in a state?

    This is unrelated to your discussion.

    Just wanted to say that I appreciate you and the Duke of Qin commenting to give us a Chinese perspective.

    China is supposed to be a rival and enemy of America.

    I sometimes wonder if these things really matter anymore.

    Seems like Americans, Chinese, Russians, Germans, etc. don’t really have important quarrels anymore. The real enemy for all of us is within our own countries.

    Perhaps we should unite and collaborate in destroying these enemies.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I think its mostly a struggle against entropy, including parasites and predators that naturally appear when society is weakened thanks to reduced selection. Entropy kills people, societies and even planets. Chaos seeks to consume all.

    But it is not right to merely accept this. We should struggle and fight against it, and impose order against an encroaching end.

    I refuse to go gentle in the good night.
    , @songbird
    Sometimes I wonder, if there shouldn't be some new form of diplomacy. I don't know whether it would be playing fire or not - but, for instance, crowdsourced videoclips to hijack the Left's xenophilia. Ex: clips of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese saying please don't destroy Europe.

    This part of it's really crazy: I also thought of using the Left's negrophilia for government oversight. Hiring a team of Africans for like $1/day to read various scripts to fight corruption in the US. Freedom of information requests, etc.
    , @Mr. Hack

    Seems like Americans, Chinese, Russians, Germans, etc. don’t really have important quarrels anymore. The real enemy for all of us is within our own countries.

    Perhaps we should unite and collaborate in destroying these enemies.
     

    You're getting warm, but you need to take it one step further:

    For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? For what can a man give in return for his soul?
     
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  44. Dmitry says:

    But no-one here, or on the whole website, is excited for the actual football? I need to find another forum.

    -

    Obviously no-one expects a repetition of the fairy tale…

    (Ignashevich who fucked up with the Van Nistelrooy goal, still in the team in 2018!)

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    (Ignashevich who fucked up with the Van Nistelrooy goal, still in the team in 2018!)

     

    And Zhirkov is back within the team now (and of course still there is Akinfeev)...
    , @Gerard2
    It was the same team you showed there, who subsequently failed to get past Slovenia in a play-off for the World Cup finals! I think that's why people are unwilling to even reminisce about 2008

    It should be noted our "hooligans" didn't trash up Ljubljana in response
    , @for-the-record
    But no-one here, or on the whole website, is excited for the actual football?

    I'm quite looking forward to Spain-Portugal tomorrow (Friday).
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  45. @Daniel Chieh
    Well, technically its 7% of the Chinese population at the moment who rule the rest, so its not too far off from your ideas.

    Overall, I don't disagree much though I would prefer at least some Confucian ideals to keep their honored place; I think that it would be consistent with the notion of family units as the lowest political entity and I have a great deal of appreciation for compassion as a certain barometer for civilization. And there is, of course, something beautiful about the notion of striving for virtue and to be a shi in a fallen world.

    I'm not sure how you're using Legalism in this, to be honest; it seems to basically be the part of Legalism that would be roughly equivalent to "rule of law", since your Legalism isn't trying to centralize power in a state?

    The Communist Party is an imperfect organization, one part traitorous and two parts gloriously reactionary. It is the best out of a stable of bad choices though sub-optimal to what I have in mind. It is also unfortunately a civilian bureaucracy and not a military one. Mao was wrong in that the Party should always wield the gun, rather it should be that the Party is the gun. China’s most stable and prosperous periods were ushered in by men who came from the military aristocracy and decay inevitably set in when the military was de prioritized by a court governed by the families of Empress regents.

    My definition of the rule of law is vastly different than what most of the West today would classify as rule of law. Laws emerge from the collective morals of their respective communities, that is they reflect the interests and sensibilities of men. There can be no universal law because each community has their own particular values. That they should be neutrally enforced and applicable to the extent of their communities I whole heartedly concur. What Chinese liberals and their degenerate race defiling enablers in the West mean by “rule of law” is actually rule by a blacked robed judicial commissariat. The law here being enforced is not so much community consensus by rather administrative fiat driven by a degenerate globohomo elite. Such as Hong Kong inviting two elderly British women to be judges.

    Sending masses of Uyghurs to reducation camps would accordingly be against the rule of law to them. However effective policing of ornery Muslims is right and proper and within Chinese consensus, hence is perfectly following Chinese law in my book.

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    I see what you mean, but isn't that more specifically the "rule of man" that some Party academicians has been playing around a bit to try to promote, with the notion that laws have to be considered for their context and community, with obvious implication that it is to be delivered through the judgment of "virtuous men," and that plays happy with the Confucian context, of course. In that world, we must cultivate virtue in order to judge well, and the judge presumably must bear the consequences of his decisions.

    The Legalism argument would seem to be the opposite: the same laws must impartially apply to all, commoner and prince alike. In its most cynical reading: all humans are selfish and greedy, or close enough that we should consider them so. It is only through incentives and punishment can society be stable, and thus the rhetorical question and parable of: "Why is the same man a thief in one country and a good man in another?" with the answer of "Because of the differences in law." One could almost see it as an argument for institutions. In this world, virtue is relatively unimportant(all men are evil anyway), only the clarity of the law and the correct incentives/punishments.

    From what I can tell, you're trying to hybridize the two while avoiding the the so-called "independent judiciary" which essentially ends up creating lawmakers with no skin in the game: a class of policymakers with essentially more power than any lawmaker while having no responsibility whatever.
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  46. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry
    But no-one here, or on the whole website, is excited for the actual football? I need to find another forum.


    -

    Obviously no-one expects a repetition of the fairy tale...

    (Ignashevich who fucked up with the Van Nistelrooy goal, still in the team in 2018!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GmMO7cRfj4

    (Ignashevich who fucked up with the Van Nistelrooy goal, still in the team in 2018!)

    And Zhirkov is back within the team now (and of course still there is Akinfeev)…

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  47. Beckow says:
    @Duke of Qin
    People keep dismissing the opportunity cost of money. Sochi was a feeding trough flushing Russian taxpayer money into the hands of politically connected construction oligarchs and the result of it was almost useless under utilized resorts. Yes, it is better than paying annual ever escalating Danegeld to murderous Muslims and Africans because those facilities are there should Russians actually desire to use them (most wont avail themselves) but Russia doesn't have as much money to waste as the West nor can it afford to be so profligate. The money could have been spent better almost anywhere else.

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.

    Worst of all they wasted that money in Sochi of all places rather than St. Petersburg or Moscow. Grand extravgant monuments in the vein of Ozymandias in your capital is one thing. Putting it where neither Russians nor anyone else will go to see and admire is something else.

    The idea that investing in permanent infrastructure is ‘spending’ misses the point of what money, assets, debt, etc… really mean. If I build a house, I have a house – the ‘spending’ doesn’t disappear, it is there – in the house. Not all infrastructure works that way, but a lot of it does. It adds assets that can be monetised if needed. You can sell it, you can’t sell someone’s school lunch. Mixing this investment with transactional spending is a mistake.

    You suggest some sensible transactional spending: health care, pension, etc…sure, why not? I am all for spending more, Russia has minuscule debt. They have been stupid and cautious for no good reason. Making money scarce is idiotic, it is our invention, we control it, within reason we should use it make lives better. Lately just about every country has erred on the side of austerity and we are coming to regret it.

    Sochi has been a success, the investment will probably generate an order of magnitude more in economic activity over the next 50 years, and most assets will still be there at that time. I don’t like the way it was done, lots of people enriched themselves. But if the choice is to do nothing or do it with the usual corruption, I would choose to do it. It is just money after all, let’s stop being intimidated by the concept, we have invented it…

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    The problem with building stadiums is that they are good for nothing but entertainment events, be it professional sports events or pop concerts or similar. In other words, they are not worth very much.

    I agree that all countries need stadiums in bigger cities, but they don't have to be the most modern or biggest or best stadiums (unless attendance is regularly very high), so for example Orbán building stadiums in Hungary (and probably, though I'm not well informed enough to make a decisive judgment, Putin building stadiums in Russia) is just a waste of money, unnecessary prestige projects.

    Infrastructure is usually good investment, though corruption can make them bad (like in Hungary, we built highway bridges and tunnels in a flatland under the leftist government 2002-2010, and some of them are constantly empty; all the while one of the most important highways between Budapest and Vienna is crumbling and badly in need of a complete renovation), but even so, you can argue it's worth building it.

    R&D is another worthy place to put your money (incompetence and corruption can make it bad, but I think in Russia's case there's perhaps enough infrastructure and expertise that a moderate increase in funding would be well absorbed without much waste), and they could build some serious hi-tech industries.

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  48. @utu
    Anthropomorphizing livestock is a sign of progress. Some degree of hypocrisy is also a very good thing. A society where everybody would speak whatever came to their mind would be unbearable.

    Homer wrote he couldn’t bear a man who believed one thing in his heart but said another. Masculine civilizations tell each other the truth. The food chain is the truth My grandmother used to roll a screaming pig on its back and stab it in the heart. Stop being so sentiocentric.

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    My grandmother used to roll a screaming pig on its back and stab it in the heart.

     

    Eh, soon enough in Europe everyone will have done that to an Arab.
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  49. @Thorfinnsson
    This is unrelated to your discussion.

    Just wanted to say that I appreciate you and the Duke of Qin commenting to give us a Chinese perspective.

    China is supposed to be a rival and enemy of America.

    I sometimes wonder if these things really matter anymore.

    Seems like Americans, Chinese, Russians, Germans, etc. don't really have important quarrels anymore. The real enemy for all of us is within our own countries.

    Perhaps we should unite and collaborate in destroying these enemies.

    I think its mostly a struggle against entropy, including parasites and predators that naturally appear when society is weakened thanks to reduced selection. Entropy kills people, societies and even planets. Chaos seeks to consume all.

    But it is not right to merely accept this. We should struggle and fight against it, and impose order against an encroaching end.

    I refuse to go gentle in the good night.

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    • Replies: @Bliss

    I refuse to go gentle in the good night.
     
    But go you will, keyboard warrior.
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  50. @Duke of QIn
    The Communist Party is an imperfect organization, one part traitorous and two parts gloriously reactionary. It is the best out of a stable of bad choices though sub-optimal to what I have in mind. It is also unfortunately a civilian bureaucracy and not a military one. Mao was wrong in that the Party should always wield the gun, rather it should be that the Party is the gun. China's most stable and prosperous periods were ushered in by men who came from the military aristocracy and decay inevitably set in when the military was de prioritized by a court governed by the families of Empress regents.

    My definition of the rule of law is vastly different than what most of the West today would classify as rule of law. Laws emerge from the collective morals of their respective communities, that is they reflect the interests and sensibilities of men. There can be no universal law because each community has their own particular values. That they should be neutrally enforced and applicable to the extent of their communities I whole heartedly concur. What Chinese liberals and their degenerate race defiling enablers in the West mean by "rule of law" is actually rule by a blacked robed judicial commissariat. The law here being enforced is not so much community consensus by rather administrative fiat driven by a degenerate globohomo elite. Such as Hong Kong inviting two elderly British women to be judges.

    Sending masses of Uyghurs to reducation camps would accordingly be against the rule of law to them. However effective policing of ornery Muslims is right and proper and within Chinese consensus, hence is perfectly following Chinese law in my book.

    I see what you mean, but isn’t that more specifically the “rule of man” that some Party academicians has been playing around a bit to try to promote, with the notion that laws have to be considered for their context and community, with obvious implication that it is to be delivered through the judgment of “virtuous men,” and that plays happy with the Confucian context, of course. In that world, we must cultivate virtue in order to judge well, and the judge presumably must bear the consequences of his decisions.

    The Legalism argument would seem to be the opposite: the same laws must impartially apply to all, commoner and prince alike. In its most cynical reading: all humans are selfish and greedy, or close enough that we should consider them so. It is only through incentives and punishment can society be stable, and thus the rhetorical question and parable of: “Why is the same man a thief in one country and a good man in another?” with the answer of “Because of the differences in law.” One could almost see it as an argument for institutions. In this world, virtue is relatively unimportant(all men are evil anyway), only the clarity of the law and the correct incentives/punishments.

    From what I can tell, you’re trying to hybridize the two while avoiding the the so-called “independent judiciary” which essentially ends up creating lawmakers with no skin in the game: a class of policymakers with essentially more power than any lawmaker while having no responsibility whatever.

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  51. songbird says:
    @German_reader
    I think lots of people in Western Europe care less and less too, due to the ethnic composition of the teams and their use for multiculturalist/immigrationist propaganda. I can't even begin to imagine how deluded a white Frenchman would have to be to cheer for the French team.
    Besides, those cretins just get way too much money for kicking around a ball anyway.
    But yes, probably a waste of money for Russia.

    I feel similarly about the Olympics.

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  52. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    This is unrelated to your discussion.

    Just wanted to say that I appreciate you and the Duke of Qin commenting to give us a Chinese perspective.

    China is supposed to be a rival and enemy of America.

    I sometimes wonder if these things really matter anymore.

    Seems like Americans, Chinese, Russians, Germans, etc. don't really have important quarrels anymore. The real enemy for all of us is within our own countries.

    Perhaps we should unite and collaborate in destroying these enemies.

    Sometimes I wonder, if there shouldn’t be some new form of diplomacy. I don’t know whether it would be playing fire or not – but, for instance, crowdsourced videoclips to hijack the Left’s xenophilia. Ex: clips of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese saying please don’t destroy Europe.

    This part of it’s really crazy: I also thought of using the Left’s negrophilia for government oversight. Hiring a team of Africans for like $1/day to read various scripts to fight corruption in the US. Freedom of information requests, etc.

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    Wouldn't work. There's an excellent encapsulation of a leftist position here, by a leftist:

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2018/06/13/anthony-leaker/against-free-speech

    Such fights are not for abstract principles, but for concrete political change. Nelson Mandela, whom Mchangama cites, had concrete goals. His aim was to end apartheid, and apartheid can be viewed as a more explicitly institutionalized form of the brutalizing inequality, injustice, and lack of freedom suffered by marginalized and persecuted groups in the United States and elsewhere today.

    These are the people on the receiving end of the hate speech and extremist behavior that the “free speech” racket enables. If you are on the side of Mandela and contemporary freedom fighters, then you need to be against “free speech.”

     

    The Left largely is undeterred by appeals to any abstract principles. As Mr. Leaker explains here, they seek specific goals which are impossible to be changed by argumentation, which in this specific case would be open borders. Any protest against it would simply increase their attack range, and indeed, this is already an easy link for them as per his speech: if Chinese, Japanese and Koreans oppose it, it is proof that they are authoritarian, illiberal governments(and all three have significant "undemocratic" elements). Therefore, the fight for democracy must further strike against such authoritarian elements of the world.
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  53. Anon 2 says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    I have always been fond of international sporting events, and I feel that hosting and winning both confer prestige. I was outraged that we were defeated by the dastardly Chinese in the 2008 Summer Olympiad. China put on an amazing display--it was the moment "New China" officially came out to the world. Probably the best Olympics since 1936.

    The Sochi Winter Olympiad was very well done, and Russia won the games as well.

    Olympic hockey has long been my favorite sporting event, though unfortunately the NHL has now murdered it.

    The Kurt Russell film Miracle is an excellent dramatization of the Miracle on Ice, when an American team of college amateurs successfully defeated the crack Soviet team at Lake Placid, New York in 1980. Amusingly the film was shot in Canada, so the extras in the crowd cheering "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!" were actually Canadians.

    The Jewish sportscaster Al Michaels called the game for ABC, and his sterling broadcast ("Do you believe in miracles?") made his career.

    And really, it's not like these sporting events cost that much money to host. I was outraged when Chicagoans themselves sabotaged Chicago's bid to host the 2016 Summer Olympic Games. They apparently thought two weeks of increased traffic was too great a burden to bear in exchange for Olympic greatness.

    Of course, like German_reader says it's only fun if the national teams are, well, national. I assume we're all rooting for Iceland aren't we? :)

    “We’re all rooting for Iceland”

    Poland has an all-white team, captained by the great (but underpaid) Robert
    Lewandowski. Poland’s FIFA ranking going into the Cup is 8, which is not bad.
    I hear Lewandowski is getting huge offers these days so it’ll be interesting
    to see what he’ll do next. He is still reasonably young so I wouldn’t be surprised
    if in a few years he ends up with $100-200 million in net worth.

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  54. @Duke of Qin
    Glad to know that Sochi's tourism intake is doing well. It still doesn't justify all of that wasteful spending. The article notes that the tax revenue from tourism was a mere $55 million. Even attributing ALL of that from the Olympics and assuming interest rates of 0% means that it will take 1000 years for Sochi to pay it off.

    There’s some miscalculation here, if Sochi receives more than 6 million tourists each year, to assume the annual revenue with then is $55 million means each visitor brings only 9 dollars to the city. The accurate numbers are on billions, for sure, which makes Sochi a successful and profitable investment even before the long term.

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    It's mainly domestic tourism, so the money is just moving from one part of the country to another.

    The important is to get foreign tourists to visit (moving money from one country to another).

    For this, actually it is cultural sites Moscow and Peter which are the largest destinations (as in France, it is Paris which is the largest tourist attraction).

    The secret here has a lot in relation to image and marketing. Paris is the world's most popular tourist destination, because of an amazing success of France in marketing the image of Paris as a dream and romance city.

    France itself attracts 89 million foreign tourists last year and Paris received 40 million tourists. Moscow gets 21 million tourists (mainly domestic).

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  55. @songbird
    Sometimes I wonder, if there shouldn't be some new form of diplomacy. I don't know whether it would be playing fire or not - but, for instance, crowdsourced videoclips to hijack the Left's xenophilia. Ex: clips of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese saying please don't destroy Europe.

    This part of it's really crazy: I also thought of using the Left's negrophilia for government oversight. Hiring a team of Africans for like $1/day to read various scripts to fight corruption in the US. Freedom of information requests, etc.

    Wouldn’t work. There’s an excellent encapsulation of a leftist position here, by a leftist:

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2018/06/13/anthony-leaker/against-free-speech

    Such fights are not for abstract principles, but for concrete political change. Nelson Mandela, whom Mchangama cites, had concrete goals. His aim was to end apartheid, and apartheid can be viewed as a more explicitly institutionalized form of the brutalizing inequality, injustice, and lack of freedom suffered by marginalized and persecuted groups in the United States and elsewhere today.

    These are the people on the receiving end of the hate speech and extremist behavior that the “free speech” racket enables. If you are on the side of Mandela and contemporary freedom fighters, then you need to be against “free speech.”

    The Left largely is undeterred by appeals to any abstract principles. As Mr. Leaker explains here, they seek specific goals which are impossible to be changed by argumentation, which in this specific case would be open borders. Any protest against it would simply increase their attack range, and indeed, this is already an easy link for them as per his speech: if Chinese, Japanese and Koreans oppose it, it is proof that they are authoritarian, illiberal governments(and all three have significant “undemocratic” elements). Therefore, the fight for democracy must further strike against such authoritarian elements of the world.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    One of my favorite pet theories is that technology helped weaponize Leftism, that, for instance, in an agricultural economy (arguably what helped shape the DNA and therefore instincts) it wouldn't be anywhere near as injurious. It has simply been catapulted beyond its natural checks and balances, into a very dangerous realm.

    Therefore, it is tempting to consider technology as a possible way to combat it, or put it back into its bottle. One of the strengths of Leftism is how it manages to make focused attacks. Giving it more targets would potentially help to take away its ability to focus. Most on the Left are low-info proles that need to be whipped into action by the more insane variety. This would perhaps make it easier to disrupt, if things fell below some threshold.
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  56. Dmitry says:
    @Oremhartuing
    There's some miscalculation here, if Sochi receives more than 6 million tourists each year, to assume the annual revenue with then is $55 million means each visitor brings only 9 dollars to the city. The accurate numbers are on billions, for sure, which makes Sochi a successful and profitable investment even before the long term.

    It’s mainly domestic tourism, so the money is just moving from one part of the country to another.

    The important is to get foreign tourists to visit (moving money from one country to another).

    For this, actually it is cultural sites Moscow and Peter which are the largest destinations (as in France, it is Paris which is the largest tourist attraction).

    The secret here has a lot in relation to image and marketing. Paris is the world’s most popular tourist destination, because of an amazing success of France in marketing the image of Paris as a dream and romance city.

    France itself attracts 89 million foreign tourists last year and Paris received 40 million tourists. Moscow gets 21 million tourists (mainly domestic).

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    It’s mainly domestic tourism, so the money is just moving from one part of the country to another.
     
    This is an incorrect analysis, money that would move from Russia to another country is now staying in Russia.
    , @reiner Tor
    As others have pointed out, domestic tourism is also worth a lot, if it's money otherwise spent abroad. Basically like import substitution. Instead of going to a Turkish resort, those very same tourists are now traveling to Sochi instead: it's a huge win for Russia.
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  57. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader
    I think lots of people in Western Europe care less and less too, due to the ethnic composition of the teams and their use for multiculturalist/immigrationist propaganda. I can't even begin to imagine how deluded a white Frenchman would have to be to cheer for the French team.
    Besides, those cretins just get way too much money for kicking around a ball anyway.
    But yes, probably a waste of money for Russia.

    Agreed, Uday Hussein had the right idea on the worth of football players, I recall you saying.

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    These sizzlingly hot takes are good, but we need to recognize they are the same when Anatoly does them.
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  58. Yevardian says:
    @Felix Keverich
    Completely off-topic, but it appears that American Pew research center now recognises Crimea as a part of Russia. Look closely at this map:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfmZXAQXUAA9wCV.jpg

    Notice the contrast between China and India. India really looks like a backward, third-world country with such attitudes.

    India has always been a shithole. The human capital there probably is on par with sub-saharan Africa, they have just been comparatively more lucky in lack of geographic isolation.

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  59. Still, the kremlins are obsessed with big sporting events, because (in their cargo cult minds) it helps raise the country’s “prestige”, and perhaps more importantly, helps fatten their friends’ wallets.

    I’m sorry, but this is a retarded analysis.

    Kremlins like sporting events and summits because they’re an excuse for direct federal funding of infrastructure.

    Despite the memes, Russia is (and always was) a decentralized federation, and giving infrastructure money to regional powers is a good way to watch it get wasted.

    Earmarking the money for concrete infrastructure projects is a way to control spending and corruption.

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  60. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    The FT had an article recently about a Russian billionaire who’s more optimistic about the potential of Russian association football, Sergei Galitsky: https://www.ft.com/content/98f3b1f0-639c-11e8-90c2-9563a0613e56

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  61. Bigly says:
    @Dmitry
    Slepakov's mocking of Kadyrov - is so popular today, it is even trending in international versions of youtube?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i63jWjoAWHE

    What is he singing about?

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  62. Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was “of the same race.”

    “If it’s another race, then it’s even worse,” Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. “We should give birth to our own children. I’m not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother.”

    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov’s blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that’s dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

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    Based commie тетка.

    It's funny how Russian communists (and not just Russian, same is true for our commies here as well) are more conservative than American "conservatives".

    I've always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.
    , @Gerard2

    This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country
     
    ...true....but this is also the most racist, ashamed of Russia's multi-ethnic composition and history, group of people in the country

    Except to Jews, the Russian liberals is the most racist group in the country, far more than Russian nationalists are supposed to be
    , @Pericles
    An excellent troll by Tamara. I hope it gets reported in Sweden and thoroughly denounced by all the usual highly-placed crackpots.
    , @reiner Tor

    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle
     
    RT is supposed to be a Russian propaganda outlet. Saying things like that is seriously bad PR, World Cup or not, so they competently scrubbed the racial aspect of what the lawmaker said. I'd probably have done the same, why generate extra negative PR in the West?

    The only argument for including it in the reporting is that that way RT could generate a more impartial image. Especially if the news gets out anyway (as is bound to happen), then maybe it's better to report it.

    But it has nothing to do with the political correctness (or lack thereof) of RT.
    , @German_reader
    Are such views acceptable or common among commies in Russia?
    In Germany the LINKE (successor party to the East German SED+West German leftie nutcases) have just gone full open borders on their recent party congress, demanding a global right of free migration and settlement and a popular front-style alliance against "fascism". Hopefully this will mean the beginning of their end as a viable political party.
    , @Dmitry

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.
     
    It's not a case to learn from such gopnik clowns in Israel.

    The Likud is famous for being 50% of total clowns and hooligans (similar probably average IQ level in the parliament to in Kiev).

    Generally the clown ones are not near the government, but they provide material for the television to condemn and say how "low cultural level" the party is.

    Follow some of the topics for Oren Haza

    https://news.israelinfo.co.il/tags/%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD_%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD

    https://cursorinfo.co.il/tag/oren-hazan/

    -


    In Israel the funny politicians can be purged if they went too strongly - but it happen when they go on insults to homosexuals.


    http://www.timesofisrael.com/women-who-have-abortions-become-lesbian-claims-female-mk/?fb_comment_id=10150866278117085_22410544#f2e5053eb8fd0ec


    Anastassia Michaeli says women who have abortions become lesbians
     
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/242542
    , @AaronB
    This new idea I see gaining traction, that whites have nothing to learn from others but must double down on their (failed) culture is a symptom of denial and loss of the flexibility all life needs to adapt to circumstances in order to survive. Its petty narcissism.

    Rigor mortis in the truest sense. In the great days of Europe, whites were willing learners from everyone.

    Even Duke Of Qin, an extreme Han nationalist, is quite willing to contemplate learning from the Muslims, who he despises.
    , @Jayce
    Hopefully this only applies to Russian women. Russian men should be free to continue the proud and venerable #bleachright tradition of Afanasy Nikitin.
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  63. Gerard2 says:
    @Dmitry
    But no-one here, or on the whole website, is excited for the actual football? I need to find another forum.


    -

    Obviously no-one expects a repetition of the fairy tale...

    (Ignashevich who fucked up with the Van Nistelrooy goal, still in the team in 2018!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GmMO7cRfj4

    It was the same team you showed there, who subsequently failed to get past Slovenia in a play-off for the World Cup finals! I think that’s why people are unwilling to even reminisce about 2008

    It should be noted our “hooligans” didn’t trash up Ljubljana in response

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  64. @Anatoly Karlin
    Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was "of the same race."

    "If it's another race, then it's even worse," Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. "We should give birth to our own children. I'm not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother."
     
    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov's blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that's dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    Based commie тетка.

    It’s funny how Russian communists (and not just Russian, same is true for our commies here as well) are more conservative than American “conservatives”.

    I’ve always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.

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    I’ve always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.
     
    What's to say she's talking about Russian-Tatar, Russian-Buryat,Russian-Armenian,Russian-Chechen (Dudayev, anyone) ,Russian-Georgian and so relationships? Nothing

    What is to assume these are less mixed-race relationships then a Russian-African one?

    Russians are the least racist country on earth

    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist......it's pure common sense. A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn't say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child.....whether in New York,London, Paris,Russia or Rome
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  65. Gerard2 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was "of the same race."

    "If it's another race, then it's even worse," Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. "We should give birth to our own children. I'm not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother."
     
    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov's blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that's dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country

    …true….but this is also the most racist, ashamed of Russia’s multi-ethnic composition and history, group of people in the country

    Except to Jews, the Russian liberals is the most racist group in the country, far more than Russian nationalists are supposed to be

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  66. JL says:
    @Dmitry
    It's mainly domestic tourism, so the money is just moving from one part of the country to another.

    The important is to get foreign tourists to visit (moving money from one country to another).

    For this, actually it is cultural sites Moscow and Peter which are the largest destinations (as in France, it is Paris which is the largest tourist attraction).

    The secret here has a lot in relation to image and marketing. Paris is the world's most popular tourist destination, because of an amazing success of France in marketing the image of Paris as a dream and romance city.

    France itself attracts 89 million foreign tourists last year and Paris received 40 million tourists. Moscow gets 21 million tourists (mainly domestic).

    It’s mainly domestic tourism, so the money is just moving from one part of the country to another.

    This is an incorrect analysis, money that would move from Russia to another country is now staying in Russia.

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  67. Pericles says:
    @Matra
    the kremlins are obsessed with big sporting events, because (in their cargo cult minds) it helps raise the country’s “prestige”

    Yet these events usually result in lots of bad press for Russia. The Sochi F1 race is one of the worst on the calendar. The Western European F1 reporters often tell their audiences about their bureaucratic experiences getting Visas, etc, and Putin's annual visit to the back room with the podium finishers - AFAIK no other leader does this - is always awkward for the drivers and the subject of much mockery from F1 fans. Virtually none of the GPs come close to even breaking even so a lot of money is being spent for this bad press.

    Climatic factors mean that Russians are simply not cut out for football

    I somewhat remember the USSR team in the 1980s. In 1986 they topped their group over much fancied France then after leading most of the match got knocked out in extra time by eventual semi-finalists Belgium. At Euro 1988 they beat the Dutch (and English) in the group stage then lost to the same Dutch team in the final. I assume the players were mostly ethnic Russians - maybe some Ukrainians too? - so they'd no trouble producing a world class team back then.

    Hardly the worst. Last year at the Brazil GP, Hamilton’s crew got mugged at gunpoint. That was just one of five ‘incidents’.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/nov/13/mclaren-interlagos-security-f1-brazilian-grand-prix

    In previous years, since I have been covering F1, I have noticed the police that line the route from the bridge I mentioned above, all the way to the circuit. Grouped in twos or threes at 100-200 yard intervals all the way along the route.

    http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/32421/11127441/rachels-brazilian-gp-diary

    Reminds me of a story a colleague told me about attending a scientific conference in Detroit a couple of decades ago. There apparently was a corridor of police officers stretching from the venue to the main hotel. Those who ventured beyond of course got mugged.

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  68. JL says:

    the most expensive Olympics in history, the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014 – a vanity project that has only been rivaled by the white elephants in the Gulf Arab monarchies in the 21st century.

    This displays a rather astonishing level of ignorance about what Sochi was and what it has now become. Just the basic statement of “the most expensive Olympics in history” belies the fact that an entire world class winter resort was built essentially from the ground up. My suggestion is to go there, see what was built, and see how it’s used. Or, at least, just talk to someone who’s been there. Even the locals, who had to endure years of construction and love to complain, recognize the benefits of its transformation.

    I agree with comment #1; your bitterness and nagging are on the verge of being unbearable. Like that commenter, I absolutely deplore organized sporting events like the Olympics or the World Cup.

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  69. Pericles says:
    @Lemurmaniac
    Homer wrote he couldn't bear a man who believed one thing in his heart but said another. Masculine civilizations tell each other the truth. The food chain is the truth My grandmother used to roll a screaming pig on its back and stab it in the heart. Stop being so sentiocentric.

    My grandmother used to roll a screaming pig on its back and stab it in the heart.

    Eh, soon enough in Europe everyone will have done that to an Arab.

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  70. Pericles says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was "of the same race."

    "If it's another race, then it's even worse," Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. "We should give birth to our own children. I'm not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother."
     
    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov's blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that's dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    An excellent troll by Tamara. I hope it gets reported in Sweden and thoroughly denounced by all the usual highly-placed crackpots.

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  71. Gerard2 says:
    @Spisarevski
    Based commie тетка.

    It's funny how Russian communists (and not just Russian, same is true for our commies here as well) are more conservative than American "conservatives".

    I've always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.

    I’ve always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.

    What’s to say she’s talking about Russian-Tatar, Russian-Buryat,Russian-Armenian,Russian-Chechen (Dudayev, anyone) ,Russian-Georgian and so relationships? Nothing

    What is to assume these are less mixed-race relationships then a Russian-African one?

    Russians are the least racist country on earth

    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist……it’s pure common sense. A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child…..whether in New York,London, Paris,Russia or Rome

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    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist……it’s pure common sense.
     
    What most people would call common sense in Eastern Europe is called "conservatism" and "racism" in the West.
    , @German_reader

    A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child
     
    Then why not reeducate people to change that?
    The "think of the children" argument isn't exactly persuasive.
    , @songbird
    A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child

    You seem to be making an argument about social ostracism - as if that is the only point to distinguish such relationships. It's not: many such children suffer from a lack of identity. Mixed-race relationships - particularly those with blacks are inherently less stable. Potential mothers should be informed of that, rather than propagandized through Western media to idealize it. They should also be informed about IQ.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Negroes are considerably more different from us than Tatars, Buryats, Armenians, Chechens, and Georgians are. They're also of much lower quality than any of those groups. Yes, even Chechens.

    Furthermore, visibly negroes look much more different. Miscegenation with negroes is always immediately obvious in the looks of the disgusting offspring in question.

    Women who allow themselves to be impregnated by negroes are complete trash and rightfully deserving of the scorn and contempt they receive.

    If Russians are the least racist people on Earth (skeptical), then this is a national defect of character which Russia's leadership must remedy. Racism is objectively correct and a wonderful thing.
    , @Erik Sieven
    "A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child….."
    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.
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  72. @Dmitry
    It's mainly domestic tourism, so the money is just moving from one part of the country to another.

    The important is to get foreign tourists to visit (moving money from one country to another).

    For this, actually it is cultural sites Moscow and Peter which are the largest destinations (as in France, it is Paris which is the largest tourist attraction).

    The secret here has a lot in relation to image and marketing. Paris is the world's most popular tourist destination, because of an amazing success of France in marketing the image of Paris as a dream and romance city.

    France itself attracts 89 million foreign tourists last year and Paris received 40 million tourists. Moscow gets 21 million tourists (mainly domestic).

    As others have pointed out, domestic tourism is also worth a lot, if it’s money otherwise spent abroad. Basically like import substitution. Instead of going to a Turkish resort, those very same tourists are now traveling to Sochi instead: it’s a huge win for Russia.

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    As others have pointed out, domestic tourism is also worth a lot, if it’s money otherwise spent abroad. Basically like import substitution. Instead of going to a Turkish resort, those very same tourists are now traveling to Sochi instead: it’s a huge win for Russia.
     
    It's mainly not substitution for foreign holidays - I don't know anyone who substitutes a foreign trip by going to Sochi.

    For example, Turkey and Sochi are not a typical substitute (it is a lot cheaper to go on holiday in Turkey).

    Likewise, people like certain state workers are not usually going on foreign holidays.

    As for domestic tourism contributing to the economy. I would like to see a paper showing evidence of this. It contributes to regional economy, but not to the national one.

    From a national economic perspective (as opposed to local economic perspective) the important thing is to get foreign tourists (carrying foreign money) to visit, as this boosts countries' exports category.

    The secret will be increasing the foreign tourists.

    From a local economic perspective, surely the local authorities are happy when money moves in some domestic travel from one part of a country to another part. But if local skiers go to Sochi, instead of Dombai - this does not create an economic benefit on a national level, but only a regional one.

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  73. @Anatoly Karlin
    Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was "of the same race."

    "If it's another race, then it's even worse," Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. "We should give birth to our own children. I'm not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother."
     
    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov's blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that's dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle

    RT is supposed to be a Russian propaganda outlet. Saying things like that is seriously bad PR, World Cup or not, so they competently scrubbed the racial aspect of what the lawmaker said. I’d probably have done the same, why generate extra negative PR in the West?

    The only argument for including it in the reporting is that that way RT could generate a more impartial image. Especially if the news gets out anyway (as is bound to happen), then maybe it’s better to report it.

    But it has nothing to do with the political correctness (or lack thereof) of RT.

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  74. @Gerard2

    I’ve always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.
     
    What's to say she's talking about Russian-Tatar, Russian-Buryat,Russian-Armenian,Russian-Chechen (Dudayev, anyone) ,Russian-Georgian and so relationships? Nothing

    What is to assume these are less mixed-race relationships then a Russian-African one?

    Russians are the least racist country on earth

    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist......it's pure common sense. A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn't say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child.....whether in New York,London, Paris,Russia or Rome

    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist……it’s pure common sense.

    What most people would call common sense in Eastern Europe is called “conservatism” and “racism” in the West.

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  75. @Beckow
    The idea that investing in permanent infrastructure is 'spending' misses the point of what money, assets, debt, etc... really mean. If I build a house, I have a house - the 'spending' doesn't disappear, it is there - in the house. Not all infrastructure works that way, but a lot of it does. It adds assets that can be monetised if needed. You can sell it, you can't sell someone's school lunch. Mixing this investment with transactional spending is a mistake.

    You suggest some sensible transactional spending: health care, pension, etc...sure, why not? I am all for spending more, Russia has minuscule debt. They have been stupid and cautious for no good reason. Making money scarce is idiotic, it is our invention, we control it, within reason we should use it make lives better. Lately just about every country has erred on the side of austerity and we are coming to regret it.

    Sochi has been a success, the investment will probably generate an order of magnitude more in economic activity over the next 50 years, and most assets will still be there at that time. I don't like the way it was done, lots of people enriched themselves. But if the choice is to do nothing or do it with the usual corruption, I would choose to do it. It is just money after all, let's stop being intimidated by the concept, we have invented it...

    The problem with building stadiums is that they are good for nothing but entertainment events, be it professional sports events or pop concerts or similar. In other words, they are not worth very much.

    I agree that all countries need stadiums in bigger cities, but they don’t have to be the most modern or biggest or best stadiums (unless attendance is regularly very high), so for example Orbán building stadiums in Hungary (and probably, though I’m not well informed enough to make a decisive judgment, Putin building stadiums in Russia) is just a waste of money, unnecessary prestige projects.

    Infrastructure is usually good investment, though corruption can make them bad (like in Hungary, we built highway bridges and tunnels in a flatland under the leftist government 2002-2010, and some of them are constantly empty; all the while one of the most important highways between Budapest and Vienna is crumbling and badly in need of a complete renovation), but even so, you can argue it’s worth building it.

    R&D is another worthy place to put your money (incompetence and corruption can make it bad, but I think in Russia’s case there’s perhaps enough infrastructure and expertise that a moderate increase in funding would be well absorbed without much waste), and they could build some serious hi-tech industries.

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    Given the shortage of rational activities that modern societies can keep themselves busy with - and the resulting shortage of what we would call 'work' - entertainment and sports are a great area for expansion. Relatively harmless, with an immediate gratification, and relatively interesting jobs.

    What should we prefer? More 'social workers' or security analysts? More lesbians throwing a daily temper-tantrums at universities? More people spreading democracy in Papua-New Guinea?

    We have very efficient societies, let's live like that. Orban might have made some parochial mistakes when building stadiums or roads, but it is a relatively harmless way to improve the society. The real problem are the kill-joy austerity fanatics who are obsessed with seeing 'waste' everywhere. Deep inside many of them simply dislike the new wealth creation that might devalue their small stash by what they consider irresponsible creation of money and credit. And by irresponsible they usually mean that the wrong kind of people benefit - e.g. younger people who had not suffered enough to earn it, or some sad provincial mayor.

    Sochi was an economic success. Most World Cup stadiums are in large cities (Russia has plenty of them). If they use the stadiums for a local concert or an annual rally to support more 'meddling in the Western democracies', hey, the entertainment value is probably worth it. And it pisses off the money-pinching sinecured Western liberals, and that is priceless.
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  76. @Yevardian
    Agreed, Uday Hussein had the right idea on the worth of football players, I recall you saying.

    These sizzlingly hot takes are good, but we need to recognize they are the same when Anatoly does them.

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  77. @Duke of Qin
    People keep dismissing the opportunity cost of money. Sochi was a feeding trough flushing Russian taxpayer money into the hands of politically connected construction oligarchs and the result of it was almost useless under utilized resorts. Yes, it is better than paying annual ever escalating Danegeld to murderous Muslims and Africans because those facilities are there should Russians actually desire to use them (most wont avail themselves) but Russia doesn't have as much money to waste as the West nor can it afford to be so profligate. The money could have been spent better almost anywhere else.

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.

    Worst of all they wasted that money in Sochi of all places rather than St. Petersburg or Moscow. Grand extravgant monuments in the vein of Ozymandias in your capital is one thing. Putting it where neither Russians nor anyone else will go to see and admire is something else.

    Sochi was a feeding trough flushing Russian taxpayer money into the hands of politically connected construction oligarchs and the result of it was almost useless under utilized resorts.

    No. Sochi was a dump before the Olympics, and became a nice modern city after.

    The Olympics was an excuse to fix sanitation, road and urban sprawl problems.

    Worst of all they wasted that money in Sochi of all places rather than St. Petersburg or Moscow.

    Sochi is a pretty big city of 500 thousand permanent residents, with who knows how many transient. The investments were for the people of Sochi first and foremost. You can argue that some other city should have received this windfall, but suggesting St. Pete and Moscow is just ridiculous. The two capitals are fine as it is already, they don’t need even more government money.

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  78. gate666 says:
    @Felix Keverich
    Completely off-topic, but it appears that American Pew research center now recognises Crimea as a part of Russia. Look closely at this map:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfmZXAQXUAA9wCV.jpg

    Notice the contrast between China and India. India really looks like a backward, third-world country with such attitudes.

    india can be considered a fourth world country.

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    Yup they're poor & non christian.
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  79. @Dmitry
    But no-one here, or on the whole website, is excited for the actual football? I need to find another forum.


    -

    Obviously no-one expects a repetition of the fairy tale...

    (Ignashevich who fucked up with the Van Nistelrooy goal, still in the team in 2018!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GmMO7cRfj4

    But no-one here, or on the whole website, is excited for the actual football?

    I’m quite looking forward to Spain-Portugal tomorrow (Friday).

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  80. ussr andy says:
    @Anonymous
    Most Americans don’t give a shit about soccer. It’s about as exciting as listening to a golf match on radio. But civilized peoples are outraged by the slaughter of stray dogs for this world soccer bullshit. The story regarding the killings of stray dogs in Russia for this soccer match has been prominently displayed on The DrudgeReport, the most widely seen news source. Not good if Russia gives a shit about PR in the civilized world.

    >Not good if Russia gives a shit about PR in the civilized world.

    f*** the “civilized” world and its manufactured dildo social obsessions. you know what’s civilized? not getting mauled by packs of dogs on your way to work. uncontrolled strays is the embodiment of 3rd worldishness.

    they should go protest Big Ag, that’s where most animal suffering is.

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  81. @Felix Keverich
    Completely off-topic, but it appears that American Pew research center now recognises Crimea as a part of Russia. Look closely at this map:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfmZXAQXUAA9wCV.jpg

    Notice the contrast between China and India. India really looks like a backward, third-world country with such attitudes.

    USA! G-d continues to pour his favor upon the American people.

    Suck it, Europe.

    Have to admit that I’m disappointed and surprised by Eastern Europe. Russia was never that pious, even under the Tsars so I’m not surprised by the Russian numbers. To the Russians here: were any of the Russian Tsars known to be religious?

    The Russian numbers may actually be even worse than they appear because Russian Muslims may be driving the number up.

    It looks like Romania and Greece are somewhat religious.

    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now? Is there any chance that the mullahs have more support than we have been led to believe in the West?

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    To the Russians here: were any of the Russian Tsars known to be religious?
     
    There's a strange theory that Alexander I faked his own death to become a monk:

    http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/science-to-answer-russian-royal-mystery-did-tsar-stage-death-to-become-siberian-monk/

    Even if nonsense, I can't think of monarchs in other European countries that would have given rise to such rumours. The British king at the time George IV was mostly known for his many mistresses iirc.
    , @Felix Keverich

    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now? Is there any chance that the mullahs have more support than we have been led to believe in the West?
     
    Considering that everything you hear about Iran in US is neocon propaganda, designed to promote regime change, the chances that you were intentionally misled are pretty high. Duh!
    , @Matra
    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now?

    You've probably been reading David Goldman, aka Spengler, as he has been the most prominent pusher of that line for over a decade now.
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  82. Kimppis says:

    What would “humiliation” even mean? Passing the group stage would already be a success for Russia. The end. As long as Russia beats Saudi Arabia everything will be fine.

    So that sounds like an overreaction. 2010 South Africa didn’t do well (but not terribly either IMO and they didn’t pass the group stage!), 2014 Brazil’s semi-final defeat is a meme, 2022 Qatar… enough said, 2026 likewise in regards to Canada especially, probably USA as well, 2034 (?) China… Host nation doing well is simply not that important at all. What’s the problem? The expectations are low, so that means Russia can pretty much only surprise positively (again: not that it really matters that much anyway…)

    When it comes to rankings, they are kind of a joke. Well, atleast you are listing Elo ranking as well, but lately Russia has mainly been playing only against tough teams, they didn’t have to qualify,so less matches, etc… IMO, on paper Russia’s actual ranking is at worst somewhere between 20-30. FIFA ranking is useless.

    Is Russia’s group really laughably weak? Remember Uruguay and look at Group H: Senegal, Japan, Colombia and Poland! And there have always been weaker groups during every WC, ON PAPER.

    As a Finnish football fan I can also bitterly add that no one cares about hockey internationally. Don’t even think about investing huge sums in the sport and overrate it as much as “we” do.

    So yeah, I love the FIFA WC and I’ll probably watch every match, just like in 2010 and 2014. The greatest sporting and entertainment event on earth. And of course the good thing is that it’s finally here, so it can’t be used against Russia anymore going forward, atleast not after the final (Ukraine, boycotts, all kinds of potential “false-flags”…).

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  83. Mr. Hack says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    This is unrelated to your discussion.

    Just wanted to say that I appreciate you and the Duke of Qin commenting to give us a Chinese perspective.

    China is supposed to be a rival and enemy of America.

    I sometimes wonder if these things really matter anymore.

    Seems like Americans, Chinese, Russians, Germans, etc. don't really have important quarrels anymore. The real enemy for all of us is within our own countries.

    Perhaps we should unite and collaborate in destroying these enemies.

    Seems like Americans, Chinese, Russians, Germans, etc. don’t really have important quarrels anymore. The real enemy for all of us is within our own countries.

    Perhaps we should unite and collaborate in destroying these enemies.

    You’re getting warm, but you need to take it one step further:

    For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? For what can a man give in return for his soul?

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  84. @Anatoly Karlin
    Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was "of the same race."

    "If it's another race, then it's even worse," Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. "We should give birth to our own children. I'm not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother."
     
    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov's blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that's dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    Are such views acceptable or common among commies in Russia?
    In Germany the LINKE (successor party to the East German SED+West German leftie nutcases) have just gone full open borders on their recent party congress, demanding a global right of free migration and settlement and a popular front-style alliance against “fascism”. Hopefully this will mean the beginning of their end as a viable political party.

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    How does that square with former DDR population being much more socially conservative than the West Germans? I remember seeing a recent map of Mosques in Europe and the West was infested with them but there was a clear dividing line that didn't straddle national borders but rather internal dividing line between West and East Germany. Who are the main leaders in the LINKE? Were they born and raised in West Germany or the east? If the former, it is obvious that the German Communist Party was co-opted and eaten up by the Xi Ma (Chinese communist speak for Western Marxist faction that has abandoned orthodox class struggle for intersection all garbage).
    , @Dmitry

    Are such views acceptable or common among commies in Russia?

     

    Lol this woman is of German nationality (at least her father is German). So any bad publicity from this mentioned in the German media, I hope it is stated it is a German-origin woman.
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  85. @Gerard2

    I’ve always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.
     
    What's to say she's talking about Russian-Tatar, Russian-Buryat,Russian-Armenian,Russian-Chechen (Dudayev, anyone) ,Russian-Georgian and so relationships? Nothing

    What is to assume these are less mixed-race relationships then a Russian-African one?

    Russians are the least racist country on earth

    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist......it's pure common sense. A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn't say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child.....whether in New York,London, Paris,Russia or Rome

    A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child

    Then why not reeducate people to change that?
    The “think of the children” argument isn’t exactly persuasive.

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  86. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Wouldn't work. There's an excellent encapsulation of a leftist position here, by a leftist:

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2018/06/13/anthony-leaker/against-free-speech

    Such fights are not for abstract principles, but for concrete political change. Nelson Mandela, whom Mchangama cites, had concrete goals. His aim was to end apartheid, and apartheid can be viewed as a more explicitly institutionalized form of the brutalizing inequality, injustice, and lack of freedom suffered by marginalized and persecuted groups in the United States and elsewhere today.

    These are the people on the receiving end of the hate speech and extremist behavior that the “free speech” racket enables. If you are on the side of Mandela and contemporary freedom fighters, then you need to be against “free speech.”

     

    The Left largely is undeterred by appeals to any abstract principles. As Mr. Leaker explains here, they seek specific goals which are impossible to be changed by argumentation, which in this specific case would be open borders. Any protest against it would simply increase their attack range, and indeed, this is already an easy link for them as per his speech: if Chinese, Japanese and Koreans oppose it, it is proof that they are authoritarian, illiberal governments(and all three have significant "undemocratic" elements). Therefore, the fight for democracy must further strike against such authoritarian elements of the world.

    One of my favorite pet theories is that technology helped weaponize Leftism, that, for instance, in an agricultural economy (arguably what helped shape the DNA and therefore instincts) it wouldn’t be anywhere near as injurious. It has simply been catapulted beyond its natural checks and balances, into a very dangerous realm.

    Therefore, it is tempting to consider technology as a possible way to combat it, or put it back into its bottle. One of the strengths of Leftism is how it manages to make focused attacks. Giving it more targets would potentially help to take away its ability to focus. Most on the Left are low-info proles that need to be whipped into action by the more insane variety. This would perhaps make it easier to disrupt, if things fell below some threshold.

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  87. @Greasy William
    USA! G-d continues to pour his favor upon the American people.

    Suck it, Europe.

    Have to admit that I'm disappointed and surprised by Eastern Europe. Russia was never that pious, even under the Tsars so I'm not surprised by the Russian numbers. To the Russians here: were any of the Russian Tsars known to be religious?

    The Russian numbers may actually be even worse than they appear because Russian Muslims may be driving the number up.

    It looks like Romania and Greece are somewhat religious.

    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now? Is there any chance that the mullahs have more support than we have been led to believe in the West?

    To the Russians here: were any of the Russian Tsars known to be religious?

    There’s a strange theory that Alexander I faked his own death to become a monk:

    http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/science-to-answer-russian-royal-mystery-did-tsar-stage-death-to-become-siberian-monk/

    Even if nonsense, I can’t think of monarchs in other European countries that would have given rise to such rumours. The British king at the time George IV was mostly known for his many mistresses iirc.

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    The Henry who didn't become king of France was very pious, as I recall.
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  88. songbird says:
    @Gerard2

    I’ve always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.
     
    What's to say she's talking about Russian-Tatar, Russian-Buryat,Russian-Armenian,Russian-Chechen (Dudayev, anyone) ,Russian-Georgian and so relationships? Nothing

    What is to assume these are less mixed-race relationships then a Russian-African one?

    Russians are the least racist country on earth

    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist......it's pure common sense. A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn't say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child.....whether in New York,London, Paris,Russia or Rome

    A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child

    You seem to be making an argument about social ostracism – as if that is the only point to distinguish such relationships. It’s not: many such children suffer from a lack of identity. Mixed-race relationships – particularly those with blacks are inherently less stable. Potential mothers should be informed of that, rather than propagandized through Western media to idealize it. They should also be informed about IQ.

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    They should also be informed about IQ.
     
    But, but, if Russian women are told to seek out mates based on IQ wouldn’t that leave Russian men handicapped? After all in the IQ rankings:

    Jews > East Asians > West Europeans > Slavs
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  89. ussr andy says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Strongly agree.

    4H should be compulsory in public education in order to immunize children against animal rights.

    Counterintelligence agencies need to identify all animal rights activists, vegetarians, and (especially) vegans. They should then be rounded up and sent to concentration camps.

    It should be illegal to serve vegetarian meals to anyone unable to produce an Indian passport.

    meat eating should not be glorified, nor should the infantilism of Western city-dwellers be counter-signalled with extreme callousness. people who are jerks to animals are often jerks to other people as well.

    in trad cultures they have slaughter rituals, prayers etc. today’s people get their meat vacuum-sealed from the supermarket. there’s something very, very icky just looking at the numbers of animals killed, never mind the manner in which.

    the problem is the “spic-nig cycle.” i.e., the thing has developed a “self-dynamic” that is over and above what should be necessary to supply everyone with animal protein (and there’s a perverse economic incentive to have more and more “everyones”). Which is why every year we read about fruit rotting in the fields. It’s only incidental that public opinion don’t yet tolerate tales of “animals that go unkilled.”

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  90. @Greasy William
    USA! G-d continues to pour his favor upon the American people.

    Suck it, Europe.

    Have to admit that I'm disappointed and surprised by Eastern Europe. Russia was never that pious, even under the Tsars so I'm not surprised by the Russian numbers. To the Russians here: were any of the Russian Tsars known to be religious?

    The Russian numbers may actually be even worse than they appear because Russian Muslims may be driving the number up.

    It looks like Romania and Greece are somewhat religious.

    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now? Is there any chance that the mullahs have more support than we have been led to believe in the West?

    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now? Is there any chance that the mullahs have more support than we have been led to believe in the West?

    Considering that everything you hear about Iran in US is neocon propaganda, designed to promote regime change, the chances that you were intentionally misled are pretty high. Duh!

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  91. @Gerard2

    I’ve always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.
     
    What's to say she's talking about Russian-Tatar, Russian-Buryat,Russian-Armenian,Russian-Chechen (Dudayev, anyone) ,Russian-Georgian and so relationships? Nothing

    What is to assume these are less mixed-race relationships then a Russian-African one?

    Russians are the least racist country on earth

    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist......it's pure common sense. A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn't say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child.....whether in New York,London, Paris,Russia or Rome

    Negroes are considerably more different from us than Tatars, Buryats, Armenians, Chechens, and Georgians are. They’re also of much lower quality than any of those groups. Yes, even Chechens.

    Furthermore, visibly negroes look much more different. Miscegenation with negroes is always immediately obvious in the looks of the disgusting offspring in question.

    Women who allow themselves to be impregnated by negroes are complete trash and rightfully deserving of the scorn and contempt they receive.

    If Russians are the least racist people on Earth (skeptical), then this is a national defect of character which Russia’s leadership must remedy. Racism is objectively correct and a wonderful thing.

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    I agree with all points, except one: when the Tsarnaev brothers bombed the the crowds at the Boston Marathon, there were only about 100 Chechens in America. 2/100! I think Chechens might be worse than blacks - if not in all things, at least in violence.
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  92. @Duke of Qin
    People keep dismissing the opportunity cost of money. Sochi was a feeding trough flushing Russian taxpayer money into the hands of politically connected construction oligarchs and the result of it was almost useless under utilized resorts. Yes, it is better than paying annual ever escalating Danegeld to murderous Muslims and Africans because those facilities are there should Russians actually desire to use them (most wont avail themselves) but Russia doesn't have as much money to waste as the West nor can it afford to be so profligate. The money could have been spent better almost anywhere else.

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.

    Worst of all they wasted that money in Sochi of all places rather than St. Petersburg or Moscow. Grand extravgant monuments in the vein of Ozymandias in your capital is one thing. Putting it where neither Russians nor anyone else will go to see and admire is something else.

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.

    This may have been mentioned before, but Russian government finally agreed to raise the retirement age. It will gradually increase starting in 2019, up to 65 years for men and 63 years women (it’s currently 60 years for men and 55 years for women).

    As a (relatively young) Russian I think that’s fantastic news and long overdue as Russia’s life expentancy is fast approaching the European levels. I particularly like that the increase will be bigger for women: women in Russia will on average 10 years longer, the fact that they also retire 5 years early seems really odd to me – one of the bizarre relics of the Soviet era.

    Also, the government insists it will NOT allow gasoline prices reach 100 roubles per litre. lol
    It is currently sitting at 45 roubles per litre. An increase to 100 roubles would put Russia roughly on par with Poland – Russian gasoline prices are very low.

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    This price (45 roubles per liter) is about comparable to gasoline prices in America.

    Euros have some odd obsession with making gasoline expensive.

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  93. @Felix Keverich

    Road maintenance, air force modernization, hospital upgrades, better school lunches for children, better pay for eldery pensioners, any of that would have been better than paying for someone who has swiss citizenship to fund a bigger yacht.
     
    This may have been mentioned before, but Russian government finally agreed to raise the retirement age. It will gradually increase starting in 2019, up to 65 years for men and 63 years women (it's currently 60 years for men and 55 years for women).

    As a (relatively young) Russian I think that's fantastic news and long overdue as Russia's life expentancy is fast approaching the European levels. I particularly like that the increase will be bigger for women: women in Russia will on average 10 years longer, the fact that they also retire 5 years early seems really odd to me - one of the bizarre relics of the Soviet era.

    Also, the government insists it will NOT allow gasoline prices reach 100 roubles per litre. lol
    It is currently sitting at 45 roubles per litre. An increase to 100 roubles would put Russia roughly on par with Poland - Russian gasoline prices are very low.

    This price (45 roubles per liter) is about comparable to gasoline prices in America.

    Euros have some odd obsession with making gasoline expensive.

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    Yours is a country that doesn't know public transport. Using personal automobile is a necessity for most Americans. For Russians not so much.

    The bottomline is Russian oil companies want to export petrol to Europe instead of selling it in Russia at a subsidised price. This is why the prices are rising. IMO they will keep rising until they roughly converge with European levels.
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  94. @Thorfinnsson
    This price (45 roubles per liter) is about comparable to gasoline prices in America.

    Euros have some odd obsession with making gasoline expensive.

    Yours is a country that doesn’t know public transport. Using personal automobile is a necessity for most Americans. For Russians not so much.

    The bottomline is Russian oil companies want to export petrol to Europe instead of selling it in Russia at a subsidised price. This is why the prices are rising. IMO they will keep rising until they roughly converge with European levels.

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    The price of 45 seems like correct pricing according to the international market. European prices are inflated by a criminally high tax on gasoline, so Russian producers probably cant make that much of extra money from selling to the EU instead.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    There is public transport in major cities. Generally inferior to Europe, though it's pretty good in older cities (by American standards) like New York, Boston, and Chicago.

    But yes, most Americans (as well as Canadians and Australians) require cars.

    Are you saying gasoline in Russia is subsidized? Our gasoline isn't subsidized by the government, that's a market price which includes taxes by both the federal and state government.

    I suppose oil prices in America are lower than in Europe (https://www.bloomberg.com/energy), but we still have to import oil unlike Russia. By 2025 we should be self-sufficient.

    High gasoline prices in Europe are a matter of high taxes, which were adopted in the 1920s as a luxury tax (Europe didn't widely motorize until after the war) and never abandoned.

    We have modest gasoline taxes simply intended to cover the cost of highway construction and maintenance. The same situation prevails in Canada and Australia.
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  95. A22 says:
    @Felix Keverich
    Yours is a country that doesn't know public transport. Using personal automobile is a necessity for most Americans. For Russians not so much.

    The bottomline is Russian oil companies want to export petrol to Europe instead of selling it in Russia at a subsidised price. This is why the prices are rising. IMO they will keep rising until they roughly converge with European levels.

    The price of 45 seems like correct pricing according to the international market. European prices are inflated by a criminally high tax on gasoline, so Russian producers probably cant make that much of extra money from selling to the EU instead.

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    That's not true. Most countries seem to have higher fuel prices than Russia. Some third-world countries subsidize the cost of fuel. It's allegedly $0,01 per gallon in Venezuela.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/gas-prices/#20181:United-States:USD:g

    Russian producers have big plans for the European market.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-russia-diesel-exports/russia-ramps-up-fuel-exports-in-fight-for-european-market-idUSKCN1GP03T
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  96. @Felix Keverich
    Yours is a country that doesn't know public transport. Using personal automobile is a necessity for most Americans. For Russians not so much.

    The bottomline is Russian oil companies want to export petrol to Europe instead of selling it in Russia at a subsidised price. This is why the prices are rising. IMO they will keep rising until they roughly converge with European levels.

    There is public transport in major cities. Generally inferior to Europe, though it’s pretty good in older cities (by American standards) like New York, Boston, and Chicago.

    But yes, most Americans (as well as Canadians and Australians) require cars.

    Are you saying gasoline in Russia is subsidized? Our gasoline isn’t subsidized by the government, that’s a market price which includes taxes by both the federal and state government.

    I suppose oil prices in America are lower than in Europe (https://www.bloomberg.com/energy), but we still have to import oil unlike Russia. By 2025 we should be self-sufficient.

    High gasoline prices in Europe are a matter of high taxes, which were adopted in the 1920s as a luxury tax (Europe didn’t widely motorize until after the war) and never abandoned.

    We have modest gasoline taxes simply intended to cover the cost of highway construction and maintenance. The same situation prevails in Canada and Australia.

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  97. @German_reader
    I think lots of people in Western Europe care less and less too, due to the ethnic composition of the teams and their use for multiculturalist/immigrationist propaganda. I can't even begin to imagine how deluded a white Frenchman would have to be to cheer for the French team.
    Besides, those cretins just get way too much money for kicking around a ball anyway.
    But yes, probably a waste of money for Russia.

    Hysterical cheering for West-African sport stars has some tradition Europe, think of Muhamed Ali for example.

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    Certainly true, although I don't think Ali was as dangerous, since he didn't pretend to be anything but black. A lot of those new athletes pretend not only to whites, but even certain national ethnicities of whites.

    There was even some African who played on the Greek national B-ball team. His family were illegal immigrants from Africa, I believe. To the Greek's good fortune, he moved to America, but many Greek-Americans embraced him there, and he gloried in his Greek connections.
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  98. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Negroes are considerably more different from us than Tatars, Buryats, Armenians, Chechens, and Georgians are. They're also of much lower quality than any of those groups. Yes, even Chechens.

    Furthermore, visibly negroes look much more different. Miscegenation with negroes is always immediately obvious in the looks of the disgusting offspring in question.

    Women who allow themselves to be impregnated by negroes are complete trash and rightfully deserving of the scorn and contempt they receive.

    If Russians are the least racist people on Earth (skeptical), then this is a national defect of character which Russia's leadership must remedy. Racism is objectively correct and a wonderful thing.

    I agree with all points, except one: when the Tsarnaev brothers bombed the the crowds at the Boston Marathon, there were only about 100 Chechens in America. 2/100! I think Chechens might be worse than blacks – if not in all things, at least in violence.

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    Blacks are too stupid to succeed in terrorism.
    , @Yevardian
    If they actually did it. A lot of that affair didn't make much sense.
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  99. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was "of the same race."

    "If it's another race, then it's even worse," Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. "We should give birth to our own children. I'm not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother."
     
    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov's blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that's dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    It’s not a case to learn from such gopnik clowns in Israel.

    The Likud is famous for being 50% of total clowns and hooligans (similar probably average IQ level in the parliament to in Kiev).

    Generally the clown ones are not near the government, but they provide material for the television to condemn and say how “low cultural level” the party is.

    Follow some of the topics for Oren Haza

    https://news.israelinfo.co.il/tags/%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD_%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD

    https://cursorinfo.co.il/tag/oren-hazan/

    -

    In Israel the funny politicians can be purged if they went too strongly – but it happen when they go on insults to homosexuals.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/women-who-have-abortions-become-lesbian-claims-female-mk/?fb_comment_id=10150866278117085_22410544#f2e5053eb8fd0ec

    Anastassia Michaeli says women who have abortions become lesbians

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/242542

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  100. @songbird
    I agree with all points, except one: when the Tsarnaev brothers bombed the the crowds at the Boston Marathon, there were only about 100 Chechens in America. 2/100! I think Chechens might be worse than blacks - if not in all things, at least in violence.

    Blacks are too stupid to succeed in terrorism.

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    Building bombs, may not be an activity that favors them but I don't think it takes a lot of smarts to fire an AK-47 into a crowd, or drive a truck into one, or swing a machete, for that matter. Seems to me there have been a couple of black terrorist attacks in England.

    They probably have many weaknesses, like time preference, ability to cooperate, to keep a secret. I bet they have a lower kill ratio, for lack of planning, but it is not something that is absolutely beyond them. Arabs and Chechens are just better at it.

    In a real race war, I expect blacks would get absolutely trounced by whites. Classic example is how easily white mercenaries were able to lead teams of blacks in Africa to crush the destabilizing forces there - until there was liberal outrage at white mercenaries being in Africa.
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  101. @A22
    The price of 45 seems like correct pricing according to the international market. European prices are inflated by a criminally high tax on gasoline, so Russian producers probably cant make that much of extra money from selling to the EU instead.

    That’s not true. Most countries seem to have higher fuel prices than Russia. Some third-world countries subsidize the cost of fuel. It’s allegedly $0,01 per gallon in Venezuela.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/gas-prices/#20181:United-States:USD:g

    Russian producers have big plans for the European market.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-russia-diesel-exports/russia-ramps-up-fuel-exports-in-fight-for-european-market-idUSKCN1GP03T

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  102. songbird says:
    @Erik Sieven
    Hysterical cheering for West-African sport stars has some tradition Europe, think of Muhamed Ali for example.

    Certainly true, although I don’t think Ali was as dangerous, since he didn’t pretend to be anything but black. A lot of those new athletes pretend not only to whites, but even certain national ethnicities of whites.

    There was even some African who played on the Greek national B-ball team. His family were illegal immigrants from Africa, I believe. To the Greek’s good fortune, he moved to America, but many Greek-Americans embraced him there, and he gloried in his Greek connections.

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    I know what you mean...David Haye with the Union Jack as headband, Balotelli the Italian hero and winner against the nasty Germans etc.
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  103. Beckow says:
    @reiner Tor
    The problem with building stadiums is that they are good for nothing but entertainment events, be it professional sports events or pop concerts or similar. In other words, they are not worth very much.

    I agree that all countries need stadiums in bigger cities, but they don't have to be the most modern or biggest or best stadiums (unless attendance is regularly very high), so for example Orbán building stadiums in Hungary (and probably, though I'm not well informed enough to make a decisive judgment, Putin building stadiums in Russia) is just a waste of money, unnecessary prestige projects.

    Infrastructure is usually good investment, though corruption can make them bad (like in Hungary, we built highway bridges and tunnels in a flatland under the leftist government 2002-2010, and some of them are constantly empty; all the while one of the most important highways between Budapest and Vienna is crumbling and badly in need of a complete renovation), but even so, you can argue it's worth building it.

    R&D is another worthy place to put your money (incompetence and corruption can make it bad, but I think in Russia's case there's perhaps enough infrastructure and expertise that a moderate increase in funding would be well absorbed without much waste), and they could build some serious hi-tech industries.

    Given the shortage of rational activities that modern societies can keep themselves busy with – and the resulting shortage of what we would call ‘work’ – entertainment and sports are a great area for expansion. Relatively harmless, with an immediate gratification, and relatively interesting jobs.

    What should we prefer? More ‘social workers’ or security analysts? More lesbians throwing a daily temper-tantrums at universities? More people spreading democracy in Papua-New Guinea?

    We have very efficient societies, let’s live like that. Orban might have made some parochial mistakes when building stadiums or roads, but it is a relatively harmless way to improve the society. The real problem are the kill-joy austerity fanatics who are obsessed with seeing ‘waste’ everywhere. Deep inside many of them simply dislike the new wealth creation that might devalue their small stash by what they consider irresponsible creation of money and credit. And by irresponsible they usually mean that the wrong kind of people benefit – e.g. younger people who had not suffered enough to earn it, or some sad provincial mayor.

    Sochi was an economic success. Most World Cup stadiums are in large cities (Russia has plenty of them). If they use the stadiums for a local concert or an annual rally to support more ‘meddling in the Western democracies‘, hey, the entertainment value is probably worth it. And it pisses off the money-pinching sinecured Western liberals, and that is priceless.

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    Orban might have made some parochial mistakes when building stadiums or roads
     
    The roads were built by his predecessors. It'd be better if he built roads, too.

    In Russia's case, they can build the military. Do people care one way or the other? Just as many people get excited by the military (see the many internet fanboys of different fighter jets) as by football. Actually, I'd think it's often the same type of personality. The military was relatively popular in the USSR (or Nazi Germany, even in present-day Hungary), and it's popular in Russia. Russia can develop domestic high technology while doing so. Why waste the money on stadiums?

    I agree that Sochi seems to be a different thing. The costs might be vastly exaggerated because they include huge infrastructure costs.
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  104. AaronB says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was "of the same race."

    "If it's another race, then it's even worse," Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. "We should give birth to our own children. I'm not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother."
     
    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov's blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that's dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    This new idea I see gaining traction, that whites have nothing to learn from others but must double down on their (failed) culture is a symptom of denial and loss of the flexibility all life needs to adapt to circumstances in order to survive. Its petty narcissism.

    Rigor mortis in the truest sense. In the great days of Europe, whites were willing learners from everyone.

    Even Duke Of Qin, an extreme Han nationalist, is quite willing to contemplate learning from the Muslims, who he despises.

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    There's no connection between adopting foreign ideas and physical intermixing with foreigners (whatever one thinks about the latter). The Japanese adopted Western technologies without having their women impregnated en masse by Westerners.
    It's hard not to get the impression that you're massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.
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  105. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor
    As others have pointed out, domestic tourism is also worth a lot, if it's money otherwise spent abroad. Basically like import substitution. Instead of going to a Turkish resort, those very same tourists are now traveling to Sochi instead: it's a huge win for Russia.

    As others have pointed out, domestic tourism is also worth a lot, if it’s money otherwise spent abroad. Basically like import substitution. Instead of going to a Turkish resort, those very same tourists are now traveling to Sochi instead: it’s a huge win for Russia.

    It’s mainly not substitution for foreign holidays – I don’t know anyone who substitutes a foreign trip by going to Sochi.

    For example, Turkey and Sochi are not a typical substitute (it is a lot cheaper to go on holiday in Turkey).

    Likewise, people like certain state workers are not usually going on foreign holidays.

    As for domestic tourism contributing to the economy. I would like to see a paper showing evidence of this. It contributes to regional economy, but not to the national one.

    From a national economic perspective (as opposed to local economic perspective) the important thing is to get foreign tourists (carrying foreign money) to visit, as this boosts countries’ exports category.

    The secret will be increasing the foreign tourists.

    From a local economic perspective, surely the local authorities are happy when money moves in some domestic travel from one part of a country to another part. But if local skiers go to Sochi, instead of Dombai – this does not create an economic benefit on a national level, but only a regional one.

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    Domestic tourism is useful economic activity, like producing cars and then selling them for your own population. Why do you only consider exports to be valuable economic activity? I don't get it.

    I'm also unconvinced that the people traveling there would've only chosen domestic destinations or they wouldn't have traveled at all. I think it's very likely that those visiting Sochi would've gone abroad instead, so it's probably a net positive for the Russian balance of payments.
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  106. songbird says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Blacks are too stupid to succeed in terrorism.

    Building bombs, may not be an activity that favors them but I don’t think it takes a lot of smarts to fire an AK-47 into a crowd, or drive a truck into one, or swing a machete, for that matter. Seems to me there have been a couple of black terrorist attacks in England.

    They probably have many weaknesses, like time preference, ability to cooperate, to keep a secret. I bet they have a lower kill ratio, for lack of planning, but it is not something that is absolutely beyond them. Arabs and Chechens are just better at it.

    In a real race war, I expect blacks would get absolutely trounced by whites. Classic example is how easily white mercenaries were able to lead teams of blacks in Africa to crush the destabilizing forces there – until there was liberal outrage at white mercenaries being in Africa.

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    I forgot to mention the DC sniper and his pal - both blacks.
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  107. @German_reader
    Are such views acceptable or common among commies in Russia?
    In Germany the LINKE (successor party to the East German SED+West German leftie nutcases) have just gone full open borders on their recent party congress, demanding a global right of free migration and settlement and a popular front-style alliance against "fascism". Hopefully this will mean the beginning of their end as a viable political party.

    How does that square with former DDR population being much more socially conservative than the West Germans? I remember seeing a recent map of Mosques in Europe and the West was infested with them but there was a clear dividing line that didn’t straddle national borders but rather internal dividing line between West and East Germany. Who are the main leaders in the LINKE? Were they born and raised in West Germany or the east? If the former, it is obvious that the German Communist Party was co-opted and eaten up by the Xi Ma (Chinese communist speak for Western Marxist faction that has abandoned orthodox class struggle for intersection all garbage).

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    How does that square with former DDR population being much more socially conservative than the West Germans
     
    They aren't more socially conservative in the commonly understood sense, illegitimacy rates are higher in East Germany, also more atheist than West Germany. Many of them are more national-minded though, since they kind of had to suffer the consequences for Nazism and the war much more than the westerners and therefore don't have the same wealth-induced feelings of guilt. The GDR with its interpretation of the Nazi past (workers and commies as its prime victims) was also in some ways less antinational than the west.
    A lot of their personnel are now deranged Western lefties, but I don't think there's a clear East-West divison on the open borders issue. Katja Kipping, the party chairwoman who comes up with this rot of a "global right of free migration" was born in Dresden. There's a hard core of former East Germans who apparently really believed all the commie propaganda of internationalism, antifascism etc.
    I expect though that many of their voters will leave them because of that madness, imo long-term they're going to destroy their electoral viability with it.
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  108. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader
    Are such views acceptable or common among commies in Russia?
    In Germany the LINKE (successor party to the East German SED+West German leftie nutcases) have just gone full open borders on their recent party congress, demanding a global right of free migration and settlement and a popular front-style alliance against "fascism". Hopefully this will mean the beginning of their end as a viable political party.

    Are such views acceptable or common among commies in Russia?

    Lol this woman is of German nationality (at least her father is German). So any bad publicity from this mentioned in the German media, I hope it is stated it is a German-origin woman.

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    Lol this woman is of German nationality
     
    Must be her Nazi genes then :-)
    But then Lenin did have partial German ancestry as well iirc.
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  109. @AaronB
    This new idea I see gaining traction, that whites have nothing to learn from others but must double down on their (failed) culture is a symptom of denial and loss of the flexibility all life needs to adapt to circumstances in order to survive. Its petty narcissism.

    Rigor mortis in the truest sense. In the great days of Europe, whites were willing learners from everyone.

    Even Duke Of Qin, an extreme Han nationalist, is quite willing to contemplate learning from the Muslims, who he despises.

    There’s no connection between adopting foreign ideas and physical intermixing with foreigners (whatever one thinks about the latter). The Japanese adopted Western technologies without having their women impregnated en masse by Westerners.
    It’s hard not to get the impression that you’re massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.

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    I think you misunderstood. I was responding to Anatkolys last line - that he is called a ziocuck for suggesting there is something to learn from Jews.

    I have noticed certain commenters turn viciously against me when I started suggesting whites have much to relearn from Jews, Muslims, and Asians, and I was told whites really need to just double down - because have been going so well lately, you know.

    It's just petty jealousy and resentment and denial - rigor mortis.

    Ironically, a necessary precondition for greatness is actually humility!

    The mystical "union of opposites", as much as it baffles and irritates the Western mind, is actually the deepest expression of reality.
    , @Polish Perspective

    It’s hard not to get the impression that you’re massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.
     
    How is he trolling? Let's go through what he actually said.

    This new idea I see gaining traction, that whites have nothing to learn from others but must double down on their (failed) culture is a symptom of denial and loss of the flexibility all life needs to adapt to circumstances in order to survive. Its petty narcissism
     
    Here he mocks those being inflexible to learn from others.

    Rigor mortis in the truest sense. In the great days of Europe, whites were willing learners from everyone.

     

    Here he makes a deliberate point that white people used to be very flexible learning from others and links it to past glories.

    Even Duke Of Qin, an extreme Han nationalist, is quite willing to contemplate learning from the Muslims, who he despises.
     

    Though I disagree with the description of Qin as 'extreme' (extreme by what standards?), he obivously praises him for his intellectual flexibility.

    Seems to me you just misunderstood his comment and lashed out for no good reason.

    , @Parbes
    "It’s hard not to get the impression that you’re massively trolling us with your comments on this blog."

    He is a Jewish/Anglo-Zio supremacist and religious extremist posing as a friendly smiling reasonable "philosopher-next-door", suggesting seemingly "harmless" or "beneficial" courses of action to what he thinks are gullible white goyim - like a paid piper of Hamelin.

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  110. @Dmitry

    Are such views acceptable or common among commies in Russia?

     

    Lol this woman is of German nationality (at least her father is German). So any bad publicity from this mentioned in the German media, I hope it is stated it is a German-origin woman.

    Lol this woman is of German nationality

    Must be her Nazi genes then :-)
    But then Lenin did have partial German ancestry as well iirc.

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    Old woman has some unconscious or conscious desire to embarrass the tournament organizers and tourist industry, and her comments are already headlines in international newspapers, and probably everywhere tomorrow reprinted even in India, China and Japan.

    You can spend a lot of money on advertising to boost the tourist industry.

    But then the daughter of a German communist politician who was an immigrant, is able to generate hostile headlines in international newspapers, which will carefully delete the only amusing irony in the story.

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  111. @Beckow
    Given the shortage of rational activities that modern societies can keep themselves busy with - and the resulting shortage of what we would call 'work' - entertainment and sports are a great area for expansion. Relatively harmless, with an immediate gratification, and relatively interesting jobs.

    What should we prefer? More 'social workers' or security analysts? More lesbians throwing a daily temper-tantrums at universities? More people spreading democracy in Papua-New Guinea?

    We have very efficient societies, let's live like that. Orban might have made some parochial mistakes when building stadiums or roads, but it is a relatively harmless way to improve the society. The real problem are the kill-joy austerity fanatics who are obsessed with seeing 'waste' everywhere. Deep inside many of them simply dislike the new wealth creation that might devalue their small stash by what they consider irresponsible creation of money and credit. And by irresponsible they usually mean that the wrong kind of people benefit - e.g. younger people who had not suffered enough to earn it, or some sad provincial mayor.

    Sochi was an economic success. Most World Cup stadiums are in large cities (Russia has plenty of them). If they use the stadiums for a local concert or an annual rally to support more 'meddling in the Western democracies', hey, the entertainment value is probably worth it. And it pisses off the money-pinching sinecured Western liberals, and that is priceless.

    Orban might have made some parochial mistakes when building stadiums or roads

    The roads were built by his predecessors. It’d be better if he built roads, too.

    In Russia’s case, they can build the military. Do people care one way or the other? Just as many people get excited by the military (see the many internet fanboys of different fighter jets) as by football. Actually, I’d think it’s often the same type of personality. The military was relatively popular in the USSR (or Nazi Germany, even in present-day Hungary), and it’s popular in Russia. Russia can develop domestic high technology while doing so. Why waste the money on stadiums?

    I agree that Sochi seems to be a different thing. The costs might be vastly exaggerated because they include huge infrastructure costs.

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    It’d be better if he built roads
     
    Yes, and upgrade the Budapest subway. I am not a big fan of military spending. It is mostly pure waste and silly posturing. One can see it as entertainment and sometimes I do, but people get hurt. For Russia having nuclear weapons seems sufficient. I agree it helps with technology.

    My basic point is that we have become too obsessed with managing down, with foregoing experiences because of the so-called 'cost'. Having Olympics, World Cups, decent trains and airports is better for the economy than the endless public and private activities that we currently eagerly sponsor. More cheap crap imported in a container from Asia? Woopie, more the better, it 'increases GNP'. But spending money on local activities, sports, culture, infrastructure is often described as waste. We have it upside down. We are not using the incredible possibilities that our very efficient societies with enough material goods to go around would allow us to do. And in that respect Russia mimics West and both are wrong.
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  112. The good Soviet sides of the 80s were dominated by Ukranians, and Dynamo Kiev was the most successful club side.

    But is Ukraine all that different in climate from European Russia?

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  113. @Duke of Qin
    How does that square with former DDR population being much more socially conservative than the West Germans? I remember seeing a recent map of Mosques in Europe and the West was infested with them but there was a clear dividing line that didn't straddle national borders but rather internal dividing line between West and East Germany. Who are the main leaders in the LINKE? Were they born and raised in West Germany or the east? If the former, it is obvious that the German Communist Party was co-opted and eaten up by the Xi Ma (Chinese communist speak for Western Marxist faction that has abandoned orthodox class struggle for intersection all garbage).

    How does that square with former DDR population being much more socially conservative than the West Germans

    They aren’t more socially conservative in the commonly understood sense, illegitimacy rates are higher in East Germany, also more atheist than West Germany. Many of them are more national-minded though, since they kind of had to suffer the consequences for Nazism and the war much more than the westerners and therefore don’t have the same wealth-induced feelings of guilt. The GDR with its interpretation of the Nazi past (workers and commies as its prime victims) was also in some ways less antinational than the west.
    A lot of their personnel are now deranged Western lefties, but I don’t think there’s a clear East-West divison on the open borders issue. Katja Kipping, the party chairwoman who comes up with this rot of a “global right of free migration” was born in Dresden. There’s a hard core of former East Germans who apparently really believed all the commie propaganda of internationalism, antifascism etc.
    I expect though that many of their voters will leave them because of that madness, imo long-term they’re going to destroy their electoral viability with it.

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  114. White people should root for White teams.

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  115. AaronB says:
    @German_reader
    There's no connection between adopting foreign ideas and physical intermixing with foreigners (whatever one thinks about the latter). The Japanese adopted Western technologies without having their women impregnated en masse by Westerners.
    It's hard not to get the impression that you're massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.

    I think you misunderstood. I was responding to Anatkolys last line – that he is called a ziocuck for suggesting there is something to learn from Jews.

    I have noticed certain commenters turn viciously against me when I started suggesting whites have much to relearn from Jews, Muslims, and Asians, and I was told whites really need to just double down – because have been going so well lately, you know.

    It’s just petty jealousy and resentment and denial – rigor mortis.

    Ironically, a necessary precondition for greatness is actually humility!

    The mystical “union of opposites”, as much as it baffles and irritates the Western mind, is actually the deepest expression of reality.

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    Ironically, a necessary precondition for greatness is actually humility!
     
    Judging from your comments on this blog, you're probably not destined for true greatness if that's true.
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  116. @AaronB
    I think you misunderstood. I was responding to Anatkolys last line - that he is called a ziocuck for suggesting there is something to learn from Jews.

    I have noticed certain commenters turn viciously against me when I started suggesting whites have much to relearn from Jews, Muslims, and Asians, and I was told whites really need to just double down - because have been going so well lately, you know.

    It's just petty jealousy and resentment and denial - rigor mortis.

    Ironically, a necessary precondition for greatness is actually humility!

    The mystical "union of opposites", as much as it baffles and irritates the Western mind, is actually the deepest expression of reality.

    Ironically, a necessary precondition for greatness is actually humility!

    Judging from your comments on this blog, you’re probably not destined for true greatness if that’s true.

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    As sparks from the divine flame, we are all destined for greatness - including you, GR. Though you will kick and scream against it.

    And even including utu, who my Great Eye Of Compassion does not neglect. And that, btw, was one of my most serious comments ever, though you see nothing but frivolity in it.
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  117. @German_reader
    There's no connection between adopting foreign ideas and physical intermixing with foreigners (whatever one thinks about the latter). The Japanese adopted Western technologies without having their women impregnated en masse by Westerners.
    It's hard not to get the impression that you're massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.

    It’s hard not to get the impression that you’re massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.

    How is he trolling? Let’s go through what he actually said.

    This new idea I see gaining traction, that whites have nothing to learn from others but must double down on their (failed) culture is a symptom of denial and loss of the flexibility all life needs to adapt to circumstances in order to survive. Its petty narcissism

    Here he mocks those being inflexible to learn from others.

    Rigor mortis in the truest sense. In the great days of Europe, whites were willing learners from everyone.

    Here he makes a deliberate point that white people used to be very flexible learning from others and links it to past glories.

    Even Duke Of Qin, an extreme Han nationalist, is quite willing to contemplate learning from the Muslims, who he despises.

    Though I disagree with the description of Qin as ‘extreme’ (extreme by what standards?), he obivously praises him for his intellectual flexibility.

    Seems to me you just misunderstood his comment and lashed out for no good reason.

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    If you look at AaronB's comments in their entirety, I find it difficult to believe that he's always entirely serious ("Utu, my great eye of compassion even looks at you" - lol). And if he is, he should just find some gullible fools and become their cult leader.
    Anyway, I don't really care and have got work to do.
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  118. LondonBob says:

    538 are a joke, Nate Silver even more so, can’t believe he is still peddling his guesses. Robbie Williams is performing for free, maybe he gets expenses. The World Cup is about the only international event where you get your money back, and is huge for soft power.

    Russia impressive so far.

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  119. However, we can’t exclude that Russia will fail to beat laughably weak Egypt and/or Saudi Arabia.

    As it happens Russia is absolutely clobbering Saudi Arabia–up 3-0.

    Iceland’s first match is against Argentina on Saturday.

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    Russia has a good chance to advance to the second round (16 teams) because of the lopsided score against the headchoppers. If Russia ends up tied with Uruguay or Egypt for that second spot out of the Group, Russia would probably win the goal-differential tiebreaker.

    Good start to the Cup today.

    Now for Germany defeating Mexico on Sunday morning :)
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  120. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Lol this woman is of German nationality
     
    Must be her Nazi genes then :-)
    But then Lenin did have partial German ancestry as well iirc.

    Old woman has some unconscious or conscious desire to embarrass the tournament organizers and tourist industry, and her comments are already headlines in international newspapers, and probably everywhere tomorrow reprinted even in India, China and Japan.

    You can spend a lot of money on advertising to boost the tourist industry.

    But then the daughter of a German communist politician who was an immigrant, is able to generate hostile headlines in international newspapers, which will carefully delete the only amusing irony in the story.

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    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn't care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn't keep me from visiting Russia, it's actually a bonus :-)
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  121. @Dmitry
    Old woman has some unconscious or conscious desire to embarrass the tournament organizers and tourist industry, and her comments are already headlines in international newspapers, and probably everywhere tomorrow reprinted even in India, China and Japan.

    You can spend a lot of money on advertising to boost the tourist industry.

    But then the daughter of a German communist politician who was an immigrant, is able to generate hostile headlines in international newspapers, which will carefully delete the only amusing irony in the story.

    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn’t care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn’t keep me from visiting Russia, it’s actually a bonus :-)

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    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn’t care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn’t keep me from visiting Russia, it’s actually a bonus :-)

     

    That women of the country (of which there are many single, beautiful, slim ones), would not be allowed to have a relationship with you (if the old communist woman was dictator)?

    It's the worst anti-advertising for more indirect reasons as well, e.g. even for old female married tourists will not react positively to these kind of headlines.

    Anything that portrays hostility to foreigners, is the best way psychologically to create foreigners unconsciously hostile to you (even female married audiences will think more negatively reading this).

    Also think about why teenagers - recently millions of the teenage girls in Russia - are falling in love with Japanese and Korean culture. A lot of it is the teenagers unconsciously dreaming about having a Japanese/Korean girlfriend/boyfriend. It's all in a world of fantasy of course, e.g. what proportion of Japanese have relations with foreign tourists? (A larger proportion of Japanese are famous for having relations with no-one). But the Japanese/Koreans now benefit from the soft power over millions of young people.

    -

    As for the actual issue. Having something like actual sex tourism is bad for the country. The way to stop it is through legal legislation and economic success (e.g. no-one goes to rest in America for sex tourism).

    , @ussr andy
    she speaks to a real phenomenon - "children of the festival" (or, "Olympiad".)

    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Дети_фестиваля

    I don't know how much of a problem this really is (could be a liberal meme for all I know), but if it exists, it's a flaw in the Russian national character that needs to be fixed stat because the perception of EE women as easy translates into disrespect in all other areas as well.

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  122. @Polish Perspective

    It’s hard not to get the impression that you’re massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.
     
    How is he trolling? Let's go through what he actually said.

    This new idea I see gaining traction, that whites have nothing to learn from others but must double down on their (failed) culture is a symptom of denial and loss of the flexibility all life needs to adapt to circumstances in order to survive. Its petty narcissism
     
    Here he mocks those being inflexible to learn from others.

    Rigor mortis in the truest sense. In the great days of Europe, whites were willing learners from everyone.

     

    Here he makes a deliberate point that white people used to be very flexible learning from others and links it to past glories.

    Even Duke Of Qin, an extreme Han nationalist, is quite willing to contemplate learning from the Muslims, who he despises.
     

    Though I disagree with the description of Qin as 'extreme' (extreme by what standards?), he obivously praises him for his intellectual flexibility.

    Seems to me you just misunderstood his comment and lashed out for no good reason.

    If you look at AaronB’s comments in their entirety, I find it difficult to believe that he’s always entirely serious (“Utu, my great eye of compassion even looks at you” – lol). And if he is, he should just find some gullible fools and become their cult leader.
    Anyway, I don’t really care and have got work to do.

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    He's semi-trolling, because as he has explained, he thinks that material reality isn't real(it is only an side effect of deeper spiritual realms of existence) and thus being playful and silly is the best way about things. In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover "truth" which is non-material.

    An analogy would be that your presence here on the forum is only an "emission" of your actual physical being, and therefore for him to merely engage with your online avatar(clicking on your name, etc) would be mostly futile. Therefore he must try to engage with you, using methods likes words which can pass through that medium. By the similar reckoning, your "soul" can only be reached with methods of "emotion."
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  123. songbird says:
    @songbird
    Building bombs, may not be an activity that favors them but I don't think it takes a lot of smarts to fire an AK-47 into a crowd, or drive a truck into one, or swing a machete, for that matter. Seems to me there have been a couple of black terrorist attacks in England.

    They probably have many weaknesses, like time preference, ability to cooperate, to keep a secret. I bet they have a lower kill ratio, for lack of planning, but it is not something that is absolutely beyond them. Arabs and Chechens are just better at it.

    In a real race war, I expect blacks would get absolutely trounced by whites. Classic example is how easily white mercenaries were able to lead teams of blacks in Africa to crush the destabilizing forces there - until there was liberal outrage at white mercenaries being in Africa.

    I forgot to mention the DC sniper and his pal – both blacks.

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  124. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Ironically, a necessary precondition for greatness is actually humility!
     
    Judging from your comments on this blog, you're probably not destined for true greatness if that's true.

    As sparks from the divine flame, we are all destined for greatness – including you, GR. Though you will kick and scream against it.

    And even including utu, who my Great Eye Of Compassion does not neglect. And that, btw, was one of my most serious comments ever, though you see nothing but frivolity in it.

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  125. @German_reader
    If you look at AaronB's comments in their entirety, I find it difficult to believe that he's always entirely serious ("Utu, my great eye of compassion even looks at you" - lol). And if he is, he should just find some gullible fools and become their cult leader.
    Anyway, I don't really care and have got work to do.

    He’s semi-trolling, because as he has explained, he thinks that material reality isn’t real(it is only an side effect of deeper spiritual realms of existence) and thus being playful and silly is the best way about things. In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover “truth” which is non-material.

    An analogy would be that your presence here on the forum is only an “emission” of your actual physical being, and therefore for him to merely engage with your online avatar(clicking on your name, etc) would be mostly futile. Therefore he must try to engage with you, using methods likes words which can pass through that medium. By the similar reckoning, your “soul” can only be reached with methods of “emotion.”

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    When GR accused me of trolling rather than being serious, I immediately thought - why can't I be both?

    Why can't I be trolling and deadly serious at the same time?
    , @AaronB
    Great comment, btw.
    , @utu

    In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover “truth” which is non-material.

     

    It is antinomian reading of Kabbalah. Being good and doing all the good things will not bring Messiah as fast as doing bad things and going against the customs and rules. You get Sabbat Zevi and Jacob Frank. One thing they got was lots of random sex. Jacob Frank even had orgies organized while he was in prison.

    But your comment, Daniel, is as much BS as comments by our Mahayaha Tzadik. He is trolling and his goal is to created semantic confusion that undermines your beliefs. A good slap in the face and some flogging would restore his faith in materialism right away.
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  126. neutral says:

    Karlin is probably going to do more of his bah humbug routine even with a 5-0 win.

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    The game is not a reliable indication of how well Russia will do from now on. Saudi's defensive mid position was a gaping hole for the entirety of the match and they had not prepared to play against a pressing side.
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  127. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    He's semi-trolling, because as he has explained, he thinks that material reality isn't real(it is only an side effect of deeper spiritual realms of existence) and thus being playful and silly is the best way about things. In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover "truth" which is non-material.

    An analogy would be that your presence here on the forum is only an "emission" of your actual physical being, and therefore for him to merely engage with your online avatar(clicking on your name, etc) would be mostly futile. Therefore he must try to engage with you, using methods likes words which can pass through that medium. By the similar reckoning, your "soul" can only be reached with methods of "emotion."

    When GR accused me of trolling rather than being serious, I immediately thought – why can’t I be both?

    Why can’t I be trolling and deadly serious at the same time?

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    Well..

    I've been collecting "utu's best flames" and I think that you're probably going to be destined to be one it sooner or later.
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  128. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    He's semi-trolling, because as he has explained, he thinks that material reality isn't real(it is only an side effect of deeper spiritual realms of existence) and thus being playful and silly is the best way about things. In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover "truth" which is non-material.

    An analogy would be that your presence here on the forum is only an "emission" of your actual physical being, and therefore for him to merely engage with your online avatar(clicking on your name, etc) would be mostly futile. Therefore he must try to engage with you, using methods likes words which can pass through that medium. By the similar reckoning, your "soul" can only be reached with methods of "emotion."

    Great comment, btw.

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    You can tell I spent way too much of my time studying that stuff when I was younger. I'm not sure what I think about it, but its certainly interesting. I have a secret fondness for premodern conceptions of reality, alternate physics, and other visions.
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  129. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader
    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn't care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn't keep me from visiting Russia, it's actually a bonus :-)

    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn’t care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn’t keep me from visiting Russia, it’s actually a bonus :-)

    That women of the country (of which there are many single, beautiful, slim ones), would not be allowed to have a relationship with you (if the old communist woman was dictator)?

    It’s the worst anti-advertising for more indirect reasons as well, e.g. even for old female married tourists will not react positively to these kind of headlines.

    Anything that portrays hostility to foreigners, is the best way psychologically to create foreigners unconsciously hostile to you (even female married audiences will think more negatively reading this).

    Also think about why teenagers – recently millions of the teenage girls in Russia – are falling in love with Japanese and Korean culture. A lot of it is the teenagers unconsciously dreaming about having a Japanese/Korean girlfriend/boyfriend. It’s all in a world of fantasy of course, e.g. what proportion of Japanese have relations with foreign tourists? (A larger proportion of Japanese are famous for having relations with no-one). But the Japanese/Koreans now benefit from the soft power over millions of young people.

    -

    As for the actual issue. Having something like actual sex tourism is bad for the country. The way to stop it is through legal legislation and economic success (e.g. no-one goes to rest in America for sex tourism).

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    I'm pretty sure if anyone was going to be deterred from visiting Russia by random statements by politicial figures, Mr. Zhirinovsky has already successfully claimed that accomplishment.

    In a 2003 video,a drunk Zhirinovsky threatened George W. Bush in offensive language. He called the United States a "second-hand goods store" filled with "cocksuckers, handjobbers, and faggots", and claimed that Russian scientists are able to change the gravitational field of the Earth and sink the entire country.
     
    , @German_reader

    A lot of it is the teenagers unconsciously dreaming about having a Japanese/Korean girlfriend/boyfriend.
     
    I doubt most people will interpret those comments as referring to Japanese or Korean men who aren't known for casually impregnating white women and then ditching them once the child's been born. It's about Africans, and to a lesser degree other dark-skinned foreigners, who may be sexually attractive to some women because of their virile image, but who are unreliable as partners and in general bring a whole host of problems.
    At least that's how a nasty racist like me would understand it, obviously I can't speak for the normies.
    , @Pericles

    (e.g. no-one goes to rest in America for sex tourism).

     

    But why? They have Tinder!
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  130. @AaronB
    When GR accused me of trolling rather than being serious, I immediately thought - why can't I be both?

    Why can't I be trolling and deadly serious at the same time?

    Well..

    I’ve been collecting “utu’s best flames” and I think that you’re probably going to be destined to be one it sooner or later.

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  131. ussr andy says:
    @German_reader
    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn't care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn't keep me from visiting Russia, it's actually a bonus :-)

    she speaks to a real phenomenon – “children of the festival” (or, “Olympiad”.)

    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Дети_фестиваля

    I don’t know how much of a problem this really is (could be a liberal meme for all I know), but if it exists, it’s a flaw in the Russian national character that needs to be fixed stat because the perception of EE women as easy translates into disrespect in all other areas as well.

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  132. @Dmitry

    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn’t care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn’t keep me from visiting Russia, it’s actually a bonus :-)

     

    That women of the country (of which there are many single, beautiful, slim ones), would not be allowed to have a relationship with you (if the old communist woman was dictator)?

    It's the worst anti-advertising for more indirect reasons as well, e.g. even for old female married tourists will not react positively to these kind of headlines.

    Anything that portrays hostility to foreigners, is the best way psychologically to create foreigners unconsciously hostile to you (even female married audiences will think more negatively reading this).

    Also think about why teenagers - recently millions of the teenage girls in Russia - are falling in love with Japanese and Korean culture. A lot of it is the teenagers unconsciously dreaming about having a Japanese/Korean girlfriend/boyfriend. It's all in a world of fantasy of course, e.g. what proportion of Japanese have relations with foreign tourists? (A larger proportion of Japanese are famous for having relations with no-one). But the Japanese/Koreans now benefit from the soft power over millions of young people.

    -

    As for the actual issue. Having something like actual sex tourism is bad for the country. The way to stop it is through legal legislation and economic success (e.g. no-one goes to rest in America for sex tourism).

    I’m pretty sure if anyone was going to be deterred from visiting Russia by random statements by politicial figures, Mr. Zhirinovsky has already successfully claimed that accomplishment.

    In a 2003 video,a drunk Zhirinovsky threatened George W. Bush in offensive language. He called the United States a “second-hand goods store” filled with “cocksuckers, handjobbers, and faggots”, and claimed that Russian scientists are able to change the gravitational field of the Earth and sink the entire country.

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    I’m pretty sure if anyone was going to be deterred from visiting Russia by random statements by politicial figures
     
    And it's not even someone from Putin's party, just some old commie, so even more irrelevant.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Is that where that US Congresscritter got the inside information about Guam tipping over into the ocean if too many B-52's are parked there?
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  133. @Dmitry

    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn’t care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn’t keep me from visiting Russia, it’s actually a bonus :-)

     

    That women of the country (of which there are many single, beautiful, slim ones), would not be allowed to have a relationship with you (if the old communist woman was dictator)?

    It's the worst anti-advertising for more indirect reasons as well, e.g. even for old female married tourists will not react positively to these kind of headlines.

    Anything that portrays hostility to foreigners, is the best way psychologically to create foreigners unconsciously hostile to you (even female married audiences will think more negatively reading this).

    Also think about why teenagers - recently millions of the teenage girls in Russia - are falling in love with Japanese and Korean culture. A lot of it is the teenagers unconsciously dreaming about having a Japanese/Korean girlfriend/boyfriend. It's all in a world of fantasy of course, e.g. what proportion of Japanese have relations with foreign tourists? (A larger proportion of Japanese are famous for having relations with no-one). But the Japanese/Koreans now benefit from the soft power over millions of young people.

    -

    As for the actual issue. Having something like actual sex tourism is bad for the country. The way to stop it is through legal legislation and economic success (e.g. no-one goes to rest in America for sex tourism).

    A lot of it is the teenagers unconsciously dreaming about having a Japanese/Korean girlfriend/boyfriend.

    I doubt most people will interpret those comments as referring to Japanese or Korean men who aren’t known for casually impregnating white women and then ditching them once the child’s been born. It’s about Africans, and to a lesser degree other dark-skinned foreigners, who may be sexually attractive to some women because of their virile image, but who are unreliable as partners and in general bring a whole host of problems.
    At least that’s how a nasty racist like me would understand it, obviously I can’t speak for the normies.

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    I doubt most people will interpret those comments as referring to Japanese or Korean men who aren’t known for casually impregnating white women and then ditching them once the child’s been born. It’s about Africans, and to a lesser degree other dark-skinned foreigners, who may be sexually attractive to some women because of their virile image, but who are unreliable as partners and in general bring a whole host of problems.
    At least that’s how a nasty racist like me would understand it, obviously I can’t speak for the normies.

     

    The government still sponsor huge numbers of random Africa/Arab students to live and study in Russia, as the legacy of her ideology.

    (These had - in the past - a history of being a bit uncivilized - my mother actually has some story as a student of being harrassed on a train by an African student in the 1980s, she was left on the same compartment of).

    -

    The important tourist growth market for Russia will be EU/China. The Japanese tourists are all flooding London and Paris with their money, and mainly absent in Russia.

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  134. @Daniel Chieh
    I'm pretty sure if anyone was going to be deterred from visiting Russia by random statements by politicial figures, Mr. Zhirinovsky has already successfully claimed that accomplishment.

    In a 2003 video,a drunk Zhirinovsky threatened George W. Bush in offensive language. He called the United States a "second-hand goods store" filled with "cocksuckers, handjobbers, and faggots", and claimed that Russian scientists are able to change the gravitational field of the Earth and sink the entire country.
     

    I’m pretty sure if anyone was going to be deterred from visiting Russia by random statements by politicial figures

    And it’s not even someone from Putin’s party, just some old commie, so even more irrelevant.

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  135. @AaronB
    Great comment, btw.

    You can tell I spent way too much of my time studying that stuff when I was younger. I’m not sure what I think about it, but its certainly interesting. I have a secret fondness for premodern conceptions of reality, alternate physics, and other visions.

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    I only got into this stuff when I was older but I was always into fantasy and the Romantic movement in Europe and things like that.

    I don't think you really have to have any clear opinion about it - the important thing is to "dwell" with these ideas and let your mind be affected. When I first started engaging with them I approached like a typical European and wanted hard, clear truths I could cling to and sink my teeth into. I totally failed to "get"it.

    They are all metaphors anyways. Newtonian science works even though we know it isn't strictly true - what should our opinion of it be? We just use it.
    , @Anon 2
    "fondness for premodern conceptions of reality"

    You may want to check out "A Course in Miracles" (1976)although, at 1333 pages
    it's not for the faint of heart. I wouldn't describe it as premodern but rather
    transmodern, using Ken Wilber (America's most translated philosopher)'s
    brilliant elucidation of the pre/trans fallacy. It states, among many other things,
    that one of the greatest challenges of being alive is to develop a correct
    relationship to time.

    As to the nature of time, if you don't have a Ph.D. level understanding of modern
    physics, I'd recommend any of the recent books by Carlo Rovelli like "Reality is
    not What It Seems" and, his latest, "The Order of Time." He's already being
    described as the new Stephen Hawking.
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  136. DNC says:
    @neutral
    Karlin is probably going to do more of his bah humbug routine even with a 5-0 win.

    The game is not a reliable indication of how well Russia will do from now on. Saudi’s defensive mid position was a gaping hole for the entirety of the match and they had not prepared to play against a pressing side.

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    Even so, it was a memorable achievement. All his endless graphs and numbers and all his gloom, he needs to see things in a different light sometimes.
    , @LondonBob
    They were good goals though, that would indicate they can score goals against better defences.

    Google news feed is pushing some gays were bashed in Russia, yawn. I see Peter Tatchell has been drawing attention to himself too.
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  137. utu says:

    Russia won 5:0! Does AK have insight what is the psychological comfort he and many other Russians get from the gloom and doom defeatism?

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    I can speak only for myself, and only in relation to the Hungarian national football team. I had always been pessimistic, so that they won’t disappoint me. Any surprise will be to the upside. It’s psychologically much easier to prepare for the worst and then occasionally get a positive surprise than preparing for the best and then nearly always get my dreams thrashed by reality.

    Then I changed my stance to a more realistic approach after Dárdai became the manager in 2014, because at least he knew what he was doing, unfortunately had to go back to Hertha BSC. Then came Storck, and he led us to the Euro Cup by beating Norway. I became cautiously optimistic. It was great. But then Storck lost to Andorra (he was playing the B team or rather C team for some reason), and so I reverted to pessimism. It’s better to expect nothing.
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  138. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    A lot of it is the teenagers unconsciously dreaming about having a Japanese/Korean girlfriend/boyfriend.
     
    I doubt most people will interpret those comments as referring to Japanese or Korean men who aren't known for casually impregnating white women and then ditching them once the child's been born. It's about Africans, and to a lesser degree other dark-skinned foreigners, who may be sexually attractive to some women because of their virile image, but who are unreliable as partners and in general bring a whole host of problems.
    At least that's how a nasty racist like me would understand it, obviously I can't speak for the normies.

    I doubt most people will interpret those comments as referring to Japanese or Korean men who aren’t known for casually impregnating white women and then ditching them once the child’s been born. It’s about Africans, and to a lesser degree other dark-skinned foreigners, who may be sexually attractive to some women because of their virile image, but who are unreliable as partners and in general bring a whole host of problems.
    At least that’s how a nasty racist like me would understand it, obviously I can’t speak for the normies.

    The government still sponsor huge numbers of random Africa/Arab students to live and study in Russia, as the legacy of her ideology.

    (These had – in the past – a history of being a bit uncivilized – my mother actually has some story as a student of being harrassed on a train by an African student in the 1980s, she was left on the same compartment of).

    -

    The important tourist growth market for Russia will be EU/China. The Japanese tourists are all flooding London and Paris with their money, and mainly absent in Russia.

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  139. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    He's semi-trolling, because as he has explained, he thinks that material reality isn't real(it is only an side effect of deeper spiritual realms of existence) and thus being playful and silly is the best way about things. In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover "truth" which is non-material.

    An analogy would be that your presence here on the forum is only an "emission" of your actual physical being, and therefore for him to merely engage with your online avatar(clicking on your name, etc) would be mostly futile. Therefore he must try to engage with you, using methods likes words which can pass through that medium. By the similar reckoning, your "soul" can only be reached with methods of "emotion."

    In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover “truth” which is non-material.

    It is antinomian reading of Kabbalah. Being good and doing all the good things will not bring Messiah as fast as doing bad things and going against the customs and rules. You get Sabbat Zevi and Jacob Frank. One thing they got was lots of random sex. Jacob Frank even had orgies organized while he was in prison.

    But your comment, Daniel, is as much BS as comments by our Mahayaha Tzadik. He is trolling and his goal is to created semantic confusion that undermines your beliefs. A good slap in the face and some flogging would restore his faith in materialism right away.

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    Haven't you said that faith in evolution, which I would associate with a strict materialist belief system, should be tested by torture?
    , @ussr andy
    mysticism was to pre-moderns what extreme social constructivism is to post-moderns.

    either way, it's anti-reality and prolly part of the same anti-Enlightenment neofeudal agenda.

    , @AaronB
    The Mahayana Tzadik says you should not slap AaronB in the face, or flog him. It would be a great sin.

    And The Great Eye Of Compassion is ever fixed on you, utu.
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  140. @utu

    In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover “truth” which is non-material.

     

    It is antinomian reading of Kabbalah. Being good and doing all the good things will not bring Messiah as fast as doing bad things and going against the customs and rules. You get Sabbat Zevi and Jacob Frank. One thing they got was lots of random sex. Jacob Frank even had orgies organized while he was in prison.

    But your comment, Daniel, is as much BS as comments by our Mahayaha Tzadik. He is trolling and his goal is to created semantic confusion that undermines your beliefs. A good slap in the face and some flogging would restore his faith in materialism right away.

    Haven’t you said that faith in evolution, which I would associate with a strict materialist belief system, should be tested by torture?

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    • Replies: @utu
    Indeed I said it however I forgot and had to go back and look it up for the context. There is no contradiction. Ultimately it is about the faith which we conflate with knowledge. So some materialists can be irritating because of their unawareness and lack of depth but the hucksters who are peddling an antidote in the form of idealism are almost always liars. Materialists are more likely to get basic facts right even if they do not understand the foundation of their certainty while the hucksters always are at the service of the destructive anti-civilization force.
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  141. neutral says:
    @DNC
    The game is not a reliable indication of how well Russia will do from now on. Saudi's defensive mid position was a gaping hole for the entirety of the match and they had not prepared to play against a pressing side.

    Even so, it was a memorable achievement. All his endless graphs and numbers and all his gloom, he needs to see things in a different light sometimes.

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  142. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    You can tell I spent way too much of my time studying that stuff when I was younger. I'm not sure what I think about it, but its certainly interesting. I have a secret fondness for premodern conceptions of reality, alternate physics, and other visions.

    I only got into this stuff when I was older but I was always into fantasy and the Romantic movement in Europe and things like that.

    I don’t think you really have to have any clear opinion about it – the important thing is to “dwell” with these ideas and let your mind be affected. When I first started engaging with them I approached like a typical European and wanted hard, clear truths I could cling to and sink my teeth into. I totally failed to “get”it.

    They are all metaphors anyways. Newtonian science works even though we know it isn’t strictly true – what should our opinion of it be? We just use it.

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  143. @utu
    Russia won 5:0! Does AK have insight what is the psychological comfort he and many other Russians get from the gloom and doom defeatism?

    I can speak only for myself, and only in relation to the Hungarian national football team. I had always been pessimistic, so that they won’t disappoint me. Any surprise will be to the upside. It’s psychologically much easier to prepare for the worst and then occasionally get a positive surprise than preparing for the best and then nearly always get my dreams thrashed by reality.

    Then I changed my stance to a more realistic approach after Dárdai became the manager in 2014, because at least he knew what he was doing, unfortunately had to go back to Hertha BSC. Then came Storck, and he led us to the Euro Cup by beating Norway. I became cautiously optimistic. It was great. But then Storck lost to Andorra (he was playing the B team or rather C team for some reason), and so I reverted to pessimism. It’s better to expect nothing.

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    I think this might be the mechanism that develops when there were too many disappointments so lowering expectations is a natural response. When I was growing up the great successes of Hungarian team were still very much remembered, so I was very disappointed by their performance in the 1978 World Cup when they totally fell apart to the point of having tantrums. I do not remember who did the play against. It was clearly psychological because they started well but some setback broke them. A very sad and embarrassing spectacle to watch. I stopped watching soccer about 15 years ago but sometimes I do when forced by social circumstances. German friends made me watch Germany team during the Word Cup in South Africa. They were quite good so I was greatly disappointed that they were totally helpless against Spain. They were awful. Very un-German. Germany almost never falls apart. At first I suspected that they sold the game or that some drugs were involved but then I have learned that their coach Joachim Löw was totally at awe with Barcelona and considered them the apex of football achievement and the Spain's team was 90% Barcelona. So I thought that he somehow passed this belief onto his team. They did not believe they could win.
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  144. ussr andy says:
    @utu

    In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover “truth” which is non-material.

     

    It is antinomian reading of Kabbalah. Being good and doing all the good things will not bring Messiah as fast as doing bad things and going against the customs and rules. You get Sabbat Zevi and Jacob Frank. One thing they got was lots of random sex. Jacob Frank even had orgies organized while he was in prison.

    But your comment, Daniel, is as much BS as comments by our Mahayaha Tzadik. He is trolling and his goal is to created semantic confusion that undermines your beliefs. A good slap in the face and some flogging would restore his faith in materialism right away.

    mysticism was to pre-moderns what extreme social constructivism is to post-moderns.

    either way, it’s anti-reality and prolly part of the same anti-Enlightenment neofeudal agenda.

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    *constructionism
    , @utu
    I am afraid that the neo-feudal agenda directly stems from Enlightenment. People like Ben Franklin who fetishized the rational mind were perhaps not aware of it and it is possible that the medieval mystics understood better where the enslavement comes from and how to protect us against it. Fetishizing a piece of paper like Constitution or Bill of Rights and setting up the checks and balances did not protect us agains the neoliberalism. What did we miss?
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  145. AaronB says:
    @utu

    In that vein, anger is a good thing, since it is emotion and emotion links deeper into the spiritual world and thus allows one to better discover “truth” which is non-material.

     

    It is antinomian reading of Kabbalah. Being good and doing all the good things will not bring Messiah as fast as doing bad things and going against the customs and rules. You get Sabbat Zevi and Jacob Frank. One thing they got was lots of random sex. Jacob Frank even had orgies organized while he was in prison.

    But your comment, Daniel, is as much BS as comments by our Mahayaha Tzadik. He is trolling and his goal is to created semantic confusion that undermines your beliefs. A good slap in the face and some flogging would restore his faith in materialism right away.

    The Mahayana Tzadik says you should not slap AaronB in the face, or flog him. It would be a great sin.

    And The Great Eye Of Compassion is ever fixed on you, utu.

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  146. Dmitry says:

    Medvedev has announced the proposal to raise the retirement age step-wise from next year.

    It’s an intelligent (although unpopular) policy, but they know the correct day to announce it for reducing media coverage.

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    Medvedev has announced the proposal to raise the retirement age step-wise from next year.

    It’s an intelligent (although unpopular) policy, but they know the correct day to announce it for reducing media coverage.
     

    And subsequently it is also announced they will raise VAT to 20%.

    (All the unpopular policies from Medvedev announced on this day).

    https://ria.ru/economy/20180614/1522693970.html

    , @songbird

    they know the correct day to announce it for reducing media coverage.
     
    In the US, they always do this type of thing on a Friday. Best is before a holiday weekend.
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  147. ussr andy says:
    @ussr andy
    mysticism was to pre-moderns what extreme social constructivism is to post-moderns.

    either way, it's anti-reality and prolly part of the same anti-Enlightenment neofeudal agenda.

    *constructionism

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  148. LondonBob says:
    @DNC
    The game is not a reliable indication of how well Russia will do from now on. Saudi's defensive mid position was a gaping hole for the entirety of the match and they had not prepared to play against a pressing side.

    They were good goals though, that would indicate they can score goals against better defences.

    Google news feed is pushing some gays were bashed in Russia, yawn. I see Peter Tatchell has been drawing attention to himself too.

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    Google news feed is pushing some gays were bashed in Russia, yawn.

     

    This attack was from a group of Muslims (originally from Dagestan).

    Almost certainly a standard robbery (probably as gay tourists - if visible from body-language or clothing fashion - they appeared as a weaker or wealthy target to the thieves).

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  149. Parbes says:
    @German_reader
    There's no connection between adopting foreign ideas and physical intermixing with foreigners (whatever one thinks about the latter). The Japanese adopted Western technologies without having their women impregnated en masse by Westerners.
    It's hard not to get the impression that you're massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.

    “It’s hard not to get the impression that you’re massively trolling us with your comments on this blog.”

    He is a Jewish/Anglo-Zio supremacist and religious extremist posing as a friendly smiling reasonable “philosopher-next-door”, suggesting seemingly “harmless” or “beneficial” courses of action to what he thinks are gullible white goyim – like a paid piper of Hamelin.

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    He might be genuine in his anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish utterances but this is irrelevant. He is driven by some destructive psychopathology which seems to have a Jewish origin. As I wrote earlier hucksters peddling some idealism as an antidote against the whatever almost always are at the service of forces that are against the civilization. In this case against our Western civilization that is based on philosophy of Greeks and legal doctrines of Romans. Our source of strength is in Athens not in Jerusalem. We relate to the reality and the concept of truth just as Greeks did and not as the Talmudists do. The antinomian idealism this creature is peddling has anti-Hellenic angle that the truth does not matter. As always there is a seduction: abandon your beliefs, your truth and you will be liberated or that is the only way to get out of your troubles. The war of ideas between Athens and Jerusalem is going on for over 2500 years. Jews still can't get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture. Greek language was pushed out from the schools right after WWII and then very soon Latin was purged form European schools . Europe was defeated and conquered by two non-European powers which both drew more form Jerusalem than Athens. The first via Protestantism and the second via Bolshevism.
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  150. Dmitry says:
    @LondonBob
    They were good goals though, that would indicate they can score goals against better defences.

    Google news feed is pushing some gays were bashed in Russia, yawn. I see Peter Tatchell has been drawing attention to himself too.

    Google news feed is pushing some gays were bashed in Russia, yawn.

    This attack was from a group of Muslims (originally from Dagestan).

    Almost certainly a standard robbery (probably as gay tourists – if visible from body-language or clothing fashion – they appeared as a weaker or wealthy target to the thieves).

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  151. utu says:
    @reiner Tor
    I can speak only for myself, and only in relation to the Hungarian national football team. I had always been pessimistic, so that they won’t disappoint me. Any surprise will be to the upside. It’s psychologically much easier to prepare for the worst and then occasionally get a positive surprise than preparing for the best and then nearly always get my dreams thrashed by reality.

    Then I changed my stance to a more realistic approach after Dárdai became the manager in 2014, because at least he knew what he was doing, unfortunately had to go back to Hertha BSC. Then came Storck, and he led us to the Euro Cup by beating Norway. I became cautiously optimistic. It was great. But then Storck lost to Andorra (he was playing the B team or rather C team for some reason), and so I reverted to pessimism. It’s better to expect nothing.

    I think this might be the mechanism that develops when there were too many disappointments so lowering expectations is a natural response. When I was growing up the great successes of Hungarian team were still very much remembered, so I was very disappointed by their performance in the 1978 World Cup when they totally fell apart to the point of having tantrums. I do not remember who did the play against. It was clearly psychological because they started well but some setback broke them. A very sad and embarrassing spectacle to watch. I stopped watching soccer about 15 years ago but sometimes I do when forced by social circumstances. German friends made me watch Germany team during the Word Cup in South Africa. They were quite good so I was greatly disappointed that they were totally helpless against Spain. They were awful. Very un-German. Germany almost never falls apart. At first I suspected that they sold the game or that some drugs were involved but then I have learned that their coach Joachim Löw was totally at awe with Barcelona and considered them the apex of football achievement and the Spain’s team was 90% Barcelona. So I thought that he somehow passed this belief onto his team. They did not believe they could win.

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  152. Jayce says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Minor scandal (in the Western media and marginal liberal groups).

    KPRF deputy Tamara Pletnyova:

    She also suggested that should a Russian woman get pregnant, it would be better if the father of the child was "of the same race."

    "If it's another race, then it's even worse," Pletnyova, a member of the Communist Party, said. "We should give birth to our own children. I'm not a nationalist, but nonetheless. I know that the children suffer as well, and then they are abandoned and stay here with the mother."
     
    More politically correct than a Communist politician, RT omitted any aspect of the race angle: https://www.rt.com/sport/429625-no-sex-russian-lawmaker/

    Western ones of course do the exact opposite: https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-lawmaker-pletnyova-warns-sex-foreigners-world-cup-soccer/29288609.html

    Meanwhile, autistic screeching about this in pozzed liberal (but I repeat myself) quarters: https://varlamov.ru/2962737.html

    Varlamov's blog is one of the central nodes of Russian liberalism. This is his audience, and it is full of comments about how this makes Russia a Nazi country (I call this meme the Putlerreich). This is the progressive, upwardly mobile, anti-Putin or Putin-skeptical upper middle class, and this is the sort of opinion that's dominant amongst them.

    Meanwhile in Israel, from a member of a mainstream party: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmaker-lauds-supremacy-of-jewish-race/
    Yet I am a ziocuck for being open to learning from the Jews.

    Hopefully this only applies to Russian women. Russian men should be free to continue the proud and venerable #bleachright tradition of Afanasy Nikitin.

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    Russian women have been bleaching Indo Iranian Men since Antiquity।।
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  153. utu says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Haven't you said that faith in evolution, which I would associate with a strict materialist belief system, should be tested by torture?

    Indeed I said it however I forgot and had to go back and look it up for the context. There is no contradiction. Ultimately it is about the faith which we conflate with knowledge. So some materialists can be irritating because of their unawareness and lack of depth but the hucksters who are peddling an antidote in the form of idealism are almost always liars. Materialists are more likely to get basic facts right even if they do not understand the foundation of their certainty while the hucksters always are at the service of the destructive anti-civilization force.

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  154. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry
    Medvedev has announced the proposal to raise the retirement age step-wise from next year.

    It's an intelligent (although unpopular) policy, but they know the correct day to announce it for reducing media coverage.

    Medvedev has announced the proposal to raise the retirement age step-wise from next year.

    It’s an intelligent (although unpopular) policy, but they know the correct day to announce it for reducing media coverage.

    And subsequently it is also announced they will raise VAT to 20%.

    (All the unpopular policies from Medvedev announced on this day).

    https://ria.ru/economy/20180614/1522693970.html

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  155. utu says:
    @Parbes
    "It’s hard not to get the impression that you’re massively trolling us with your comments on this blog."

    He is a Jewish/Anglo-Zio supremacist and religious extremist posing as a friendly smiling reasonable "philosopher-next-door", suggesting seemingly "harmless" or "beneficial" courses of action to what he thinks are gullible white goyim - like a paid piper of Hamelin.

    He might be genuine in his anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish utterances but this is irrelevant. He is driven by some destructive psychopathology which seems to have a Jewish origin. As I wrote earlier hucksters peddling some idealism as an antidote against the whatever almost always are at the service of forces that are against the civilization. In this case against our Western civilization that is based on philosophy of Greeks and legal doctrines of Romans. Our source of strength is in Athens not in Jerusalem. We relate to the reality and the concept of truth just as Greeks did and not as the Talmudists do. The antinomian idealism this creature is peddling has anti-Hellenic angle that the truth does not matter. As always there is a seduction: abandon your beliefs, your truth and you will be liberated or that is the only way to get out of your troubles. The war of ideas between Athens and Jerusalem is going on for over 2500 years. Jews still can’t get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture. Greek language was pushed out from the schools right after WWII and then very soon Latin was purged form European schools . Europe was defeated and conquered by two non-European powers which both drew more form Jerusalem than Athens. The first via Protestantism and the second via Bolshevism.

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    Greek and Latin have been the biggest hindrances to European civilisation.
    , @utu
    I wrote

    The war of ideas between Athens and Jerusalem is going on for over 2500 years. Jews still can’t get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture.
     
    and now it occurred to me whether the economic difficulties of Greece could be somehow connected to this. Is Greece still being punished and disciplined for the past glory and humiliation it brought on the Jews? Does the fact that Greece keeps coming up as the most anti-Semitic country in Europe year after year in the ADL's reports plays some role in how Greece is being treated? Where does this Greek anti-Semitism come from? Yes, Greeks tend to support Palestinians or at least they do not overlook their situation but this is not the chief reason why they top the ADL's list. Is it possible that Greeks have cultural memory of the 2500 years old struggle between the two cultures and they are unwilling to betray. They can't accept the new overlords and the new Masters of the Universe while their memory reminds them that once they were superior and Jews were those barbarians afflicted with the most extreme form of religious fanaticism and obscurantism. Jews were not the 'Light to the Nations" to Greeks. Swedes may buy this BS but not Greeks. Probably Greek Orthodox Church also plays some role in maintaining the continuity with the past for Greeks.

    So Greeks must be modernized. Nothing modernizes people as as fast as war, ethnic cleansing, uprooting and losing your connection to land as your property. It worked as charm on Russians. Bolsheviks did an excellent job. Why does NATO permit the high tensions between Turkey and Greece? Greece spends lots of money on military.
    , @Anon
    But why? Why were Latin and Greek taken from school curricula? Laicized schooling was a demand placed on both Karl of Austria and Alphonse XIII of Spain --part of wider social demands-- before they were driven from power. Is there a relation? The Bible languages were no longer thought relevant, I suspect, and translations of classical authors more readily available.
    , @AaronB

    Jews still can’t get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture
     

    Europe was defeated and conquered by two non-European powers which both drew more form Jerusalem than Athens
     
    Hmmm, bit of a contradiction perhaps?

    But reducing this issue to Jew vs Athens is not only parochial but also wrong. In fact it is one specific strand within the wider Greek tradition against the rest of the Greek tradition and all the other traditions of the world.

    It reminds me of how Nietzsche saw Christian morals in local European terms, as Jewish revenge, without connecting it to the world at large.

    In fact Christian morals are not unique - many other traditions are quite similar. Even Nietzsche realizes this when he said Plato was proto-Chtistian. So even the Greeks had a version of Christian morality, yet it is a merely parochial affair between Jews and Europeans?

    This kind of parochialism is found today in social sciences, where only WEIRD countries are studied and the results are assumed to be about basic human nature rather than to specific conditions in WEIRD countries.
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  156. Matra says:
    @Greasy William
    USA! G-d continues to pour his favor upon the American people.

    Suck it, Europe.

    Have to admit that I'm disappointed and surprised by Eastern Europe. Russia was never that pious, even under the Tsars so I'm not surprised by the Russian numbers. To the Russians here: were any of the Russian Tsars known to be religious?

    The Russian numbers may actually be even worse than they appear because Russian Muslims may be driving the number up.

    It looks like Romania and Greece are somewhat religious.

    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now? Is there any chance that the mullahs have more support than we have been led to believe in the West?

    The most surprising one has to be Iran. I thought that Iranians all hated Islam now?

    You’ve probably been reading David Goldman, aka Spengler, as he has been the most prominent pusher of that line for over a decade now.

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  157. songbird says:
    @Dmitry
    Medvedev has announced the proposal to raise the retirement age step-wise from next year.

    It's an intelligent (although unpopular) policy, but they know the correct day to announce it for reducing media coverage.

    they know the correct day to announce it for reducing media coverage.

    In the US, they always do this type of thing on a Friday. Best is before a holiday weekend.

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  158. DFH says:
    @utu
    He might be genuine in his anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish utterances but this is irrelevant. He is driven by some destructive psychopathology which seems to have a Jewish origin. As I wrote earlier hucksters peddling some idealism as an antidote against the whatever almost always are at the service of forces that are against the civilization. In this case against our Western civilization that is based on philosophy of Greeks and legal doctrines of Romans. Our source of strength is in Athens not in Jerusalem. We relate to the reality and the concept of truth just as Greeks did and not as the Talmudists do. The antinomian idealism this creature is peddling has anti-Hellenic angle that the truth does not matter. As always there is a seduction: abandon your beliefs, your truth and you will be liberated or that is the only way to get out of your troubles. The war of ideas between Athens and Jerusalem is going on for over 2500 years. Jews still can't get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture. Greek language was pushed out from the schools right after WWII and then very soon Latin was purged form European schools . Europe was defeated and conquered by two non-European powers which both drew more form Jerusalem than Athens. The first via Protestantism and the second via Bolshevism.

    Greek and Latin have been the biggest hindrances to European civilisation.

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    Even if you argue that they impeded the cultivation and use of the vernacular which is true, that seems excessively harsh.
    It's bad enough that we've got only fragments of ancient civilization. Imagine if all that were gone and we'd only have the Bible, with the pre-Christian past nothing but some barely recognizable negative foil for the true faith. We would be like Muslims, and it would be horrible.
    , @AaronB
    The West is dying because it chose the wrong side of the Greek heritage. The Slavic East chose the right side of the Greek heritage, so will survive.
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  159. @DFH
    Greek and Latin have been the biggest hindrances to European civilisation.

    Even if you argue that they impeded the cultivation and use of the vernacular which is true, that seems excessively harsh.
    It’s bad enough that we’ve got only fragments of ancient civilization. Imagine if all that were gone and we’d only have the Bible, with the pre-Christian past nothing but some barely recognizable negative foil for the true faith. We would be like Muslims, and it would be horrible.

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    Ignoramuses are always proud of their ignorance. And nobody can be as haughty as Anglos.
    , @DFH

    Even if you argue that they impeded the cultivation and use of the vernacular which is true, that seems excessively harsh.
     
    Having Latin as an international language, although useful in some ways, probably also delayed the development of national consciousness. I also think (although this is, I will admit, difficult to demonstrate) that they pointed people towards a pointless dream world, as Christianity is often accused of doing. The attitudes of the British ruling class certainly deteriorated after proper Classics teaching was reintroduced in the 19th century.

    I doubt that Greek philosophy and Roman law are as significant as the previous commenter made out. Post-Cartesian philosphy (which is probably not very significant anyway tbh) has very little to do with Greek philosphy, and in Northern Europe Roman law only survived in some concepts which would have been developed anyway.

    It’s bad enough that we’ve got only fragments of ancient civilization.
     
    We have most of the actually good and important stuff in terms of literature, philosophy and history.

    Imagine if all that were gone and we’d only have the Bible, with the pre-Christian past nothing but some barely recognizable negative foil for the true faith. We would be like Muslims, and it would be horrible.

     

    That is a good point, although something like that happened anyway up till about 1450 and it was aided by Classical authorities like Aristotle.I think European culture would have broken out of it anyway, as the classical influences on vernacular philosophy and vernacular literature were relatively superficial.
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  160. utu says:
    @ussr andy
    mysticism was to pre-moderns what extreme social constructivism is to post-moderns.

    either way, it's anti-reality and prolly part of the same anti-Enlightenment neofeudal agenda.

    I am afraid that the neo-feudal agenda directly stems from Enlightenment. People like Ben Franklin who fetishized the rational mind were perhaps not aware of it and it is possible that the medieval mystics understood better where the enslavement comes from and how to protect us against it. Fetishizing a piece of paper like Constitution or Bill of Rights and setting up the checks and balances did not protect us agains the neoliberalism. What did we miss?

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  161. utu says:
    @German_reader
    Even if you argue that they impeded the cultivation and use of the vernacular which is true, that seems excessively harsh.
    It's bad enough that we've got only fragments of ancient civilization. Imagine if all that were gone and we'd only have the Bible, with the pre-Christian past nothing but some barely recognizable negative foil for the true faith. We would be like Muslims, and it would be horrible.

    Ignoramuses are always proud of their ignorance. And nobody can be as haughty as Anglos.

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    I don't think DFH is ignorant, he's generally quite knowledgeable.
    I suspect part of his reasoning (apart from Latin having impeded the development of vernacular culture for centuries) might be that traditionally the British upper classes placed excessive importance on classics, disdaining and neglecting more practically useful subjects. And such mindless adulation of the classical heritage can certainly be a problem. But it's not one we're suffering from today.
    , @DFH

    Ignoramuses are always proud of their ignorance
     
    I had an excellent Classical education, thank you very much.

    And nobody can be as haughty as Anglos.
     
    Almost no-one else has as much to be proud of
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  162. AaronB says:
    @DFH
    Greek and Latin have been the biggest hindrances to European civilisation.

    The West is dying because it chose the wrong side of the Greek heritage. The Slavic East chose the right side of the Greek heritage, so will survive.

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  163. @utu
    Ignoramuses are always proud of their ignorance. And nobody can be as haughty as Anglos.

    I don’t think DFH is ignorant, he’s generally quite knowledgeable.
    I suspect part of his reasoning (apart from Latin having impeded the development of vernacular culture for centuries) might be that traditionally the British upper classes placed excessive importance on classics, disdaining and neglecting more practically useful subjects. And such mindless adulation of the classical heritage can certainly be a problem. But it’s not one we’re suffering from today.

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    But it’s not one we’re suffering from today.
     
    Wouldn't you prefer occasional 'mindless adulation of the classical heritage' if our culture remained faithful to its classical heritage and thus possibly would protect us from whatever 'we’re suffering from today'?

    Latin did not impede development of vernacular culture. Quite the opposite. W/o Latin the vernacular languages would not develop to the level of being viable communication tools able to convey higher levels of thought. Try two imagine people communicating in English w/o Greek and Latin (via French and from Latin) influences. I think you can find people like that in England. They are clearly lower forms of life.
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  164. DFH says:
    @German_reader
    Even if you argue that they impeded the cultivation and use of the vernacular which is true, that seems excessively harsh.
    It's bad enough that we've got only fragments of ancient civilization. Imagine if all that were gone and we'd only have the Bible, with the pre-Christian past nothing but some barely recognizable negative foil for the true faith. We would be like Muslims, and it would be horrible.

    Even if you argue that they impeded the cultivation and use of the vernacular which is true, that seems excessively harsh.

    Having Latin as an international language, although useful in some ways, probably also delayed the development of national consciousness. I also think (although this is, I will admit, difficult to demonstrate) that they pointed people towards a pointless dream world, as Christianity is often accused of doing. The attitudes of the British ruling class certainly deteriorated after proper Classics teaching was reintroduced in the 19th century.

    I doubt that Greek philosophy and Roman law are as significant as the previous commenter made out. Post-Cartesian philosphy (which is probably not very significant anyway tbh) has very little to do with Greek philosphy, and in Northern Europe Roman law only survived in some concepts which would have been developed anyway.

    It’s bad enough that we’ve got only fragments of ancient civilization.

    We have most of the actually good and important stuff in terms of literature, philosophy and history.

    Imagine if all that were gone and we’d only have the Bible, with the pre-Christian past nothing but some barely recognizable negative foil for the true faith. We would be like Muslims, and it would be horrible.

    That is a good point, although something like that happened anyway up till about 1450 and it was aided by Classical authorities like Aristotle.I think European culture would have broken out of it anyway, as the classical influences on vernacular philosophy and vernacular literature were relatively superficial.

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    You make good points and your judgement is clearly based on a wide-ranging education, so I won't argue with any of that, even if I would still see some things differently.
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  165. DFH says:
    @utu
    Ignoramuses are always proud of their ignorance. And nobody can be as haughty as Anglos.

    Ignoramuses are always proud of their ignorance

    I had an excellent Classical education, thank you very much.

    And nobody can be as haughty as Anglos.

    Almost no-one else has as much to be proud of

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  166. @DFH

    Even if you argue that they impeded the cultivation and use of the vernacular which is true, that seems excessively harsh.
     
    Having Latin as an international language, although useful in some ways, probably also delayed the development of national consciousness. I also think (although this is, I will admit, difficult to demonstrate) that they pointed people towards a pointless dream world, as Christianity is often accused of doing. The attitudes of the British ruling class certainly deteriorated after proper Classics teaching was reintroduced in the 19th century.

    I doubt that Greek philosophy and Roman law are as significant as the previous commenter made out. Post-Cartesian philosphy (which is probably not very significant anyway tbh) has very little to do with Greek philosphy, and in Northern Europe Roman law only survived in some concepts which would have been developed anyway.

    It’s bad enough that we’ve got only fragments of ancient civilization.
     
    We have most of the actually good and important stuff in terms of literature, philosophy and history.

    Imagine if all that were gone and we’d only have the Bible, with the pre-Christian past nothing but some barely recognizable negative foil for the true faith. We would be like Muslims, and it would be horrible.

     

    That is a good point, although something like that happened anyway up till about 1450 and it was aided by Classical authorities like Aristotle.I think European culture would have broken out of it anyway, as the classical influences on vernacular philosophy and vernacular literature were relatively superficial.

    You make good points and your judgement is clearly based on a wide-ranging education, so I won’t argue with any of that, even if I would still see some things differently.

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  167. utu says:
    @utu
    He might be genuine in his anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish utterances but this is irrelevant. He is driven by some destructive psychopathology which seems to have a Jewish origin. As I wrote earlier hucksters peddling some idealism as an antidote against the whatever almost always are at the service of forces that are against the civilization. In this case against our Western civilization that is based on philosophy of Greeks and legal doctrines of Romans. Our source of strength is in Athens not in Jerusalem. We relate to the reality and the concept of truth just as Greeks did and not as the Talmudists do. The antinomian idealism this creature is peddling has anti-Hellenic angle that the truth does not matter. As always there is a seduction: abandon your beliefs, your truth and you will be liberated or that is the only way to get out of your troubles. The war of ideas between Athens and Jerusalem is going on for over 2500 years. Jews still can't get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture. Greek language was pushed out from the schools right after WWII and then very soon Latin was purged form European schools . Europe was defeated and conquered by two non-European powers which both drew more form Jerusalem than Athens. The first via Protestantism and the second via Bolshevism.

    I wrote

    The war of ideas between Athens and Jerusalem is going on for over 2500 years. Jews still can’t get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture.

    and now it occurred to me whether the economic difficulties of Greece could be somehow connected to this. Is Greece still being punished and disciplined for the past glory and humiliation it brought on the Jews? Does the fact that Greece keeps coming up as the most anti-Semitic country in Europe year after year in the ADL’s reports plays some role in how Greece is being treated? Where does this Greek anti-Semitism come from? Yes, Greeks tend to support Palestinians or at least they do not overlook their situation but this is not the chief reason why they top the ADL’s list. Is it possible that Greeks have cultural memory of the 2500 years old struggle between the two cultures and they are unwilling to betray. They can’t accept the new overlords and the new Masters of the Universe while their memory reminds them that once they were superior and Jews were those barbarians afflicted with the most extreme form of religious fanaticism and obscurantism. Jews were not the ‘Light to the Nations” to Greeks. Swedes may buy this BS but not Greeks. Probably Greek Orthodox Church also plays some role in maintaining the continuity with the past for Greeks.

    So Greeks must be modernized. Nothing modernizes people as as fast as war, ethnic cleansing, uprooting and losing your connection to land as your property. It worked as charm on Russians. Bolsheviks did an excellent job. Why does NATO permit the high tensions between Turkey and Greece? Greece spends lots of money on military.

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    Greek antisemitism is easy to understand if you consider Greece as belonging to the Eastern Mediterranean rather than the "West".

    Greece is being punished because of the German sparfuchs mentality. I witnessed a particularly amusing conversation consisting of my German uncle attempting to explain to my Greek sister-in-law the German position on the Greek debt crisis.

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  168. AaronB says:

    I think the Revolution needs something like the 60s idea of never trust anyone over 30.

    The Old Guard will always try and squash fresh ideas and will angrily lash out at anyone trying to chart a new course. The Old Guard is always rigid, bitter, resentful.

    I find it significant that that the relatively young Thorfinsson and Polish Perspective showed the merest smidgen of sympathy for my ideas – although they obviously dislike me and disagree with much of what I say. Still they have the flexibility to adapt, which means survival.

    The Old Guard of aged men is frantically trying to crush any fresh idea and double down on the old ones – they cannot accept that these ideas have failed, because these ideas have become their identity. No one wants to accept their identity has failed. It is understandable but dead wood must be cut loose.

    Failed people will try their best to make others fail – this is a well known phenomena. The guy who starts getting good with girls suddenly finds that his old friends try bitterly to make him fail. Many of us have experienced this.

    The Old Guard of German Reader, Reiner Tor, utu, DFH – we must have sympathy for them and make their journey into that gentle night where their worn out hearts will find peace as painless as possible.

    The task for young whites is to grow strong and valiant, flexible and adaptive, open to fresh ideas and fearless, to cut out those elements of the Greek heritage that ends killing its host every time it is adopted like a cancer and perhaps rediscover that side of the Greek heritage that spells life and health, and to relearn basic truths from Asians, Muslims, Jews, and Russians – and be willing to learn from anyone anywhere anytime.

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    Your ideas may or may not be valid, but you need to improve your rhetorical skills. I think I mildly dislike you - but mainly the way you talk just makes me feel indifferent to your ideology.
    I can hate someone who is serious, but I can't hate someone who seems like he doesn't actually believe in anything.
    , @Pericles


    The task for young whites is to grow strong and valiant, flexible and adaptive, open to fresh ideas and fearless, to cut out those elements of the Greek heritage that ends killing its host every time it is adopted like a cancer and perhaps rediscover that side of the Greek heritage that spells life and health, and to relearn basic truths from Asians, Muslims, Jews, and Russians – and be willing to learn from anyone anywhere anytime.

     

    Thanks but we've learned more than enough from the Jews already. Far more than was good for us.
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  169. @utu
    I wrote

    The war of ideas between Athens and Jerusalem is going on for over 2500 years. Jews still can’t get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture.
     
    and now it occurred to me whether the economic difficulties of Greece could be somehow connected to this. Is Greece still being punished and disciplined for the past glory and humiliation it brought on the Jews? Does the fact that Greece keeps coming up as the most anti-Semitic country in Europe year after year in the ADL's reports plays some role in how Greece is being treated? Where does this Greek anti-Semitism come from? Yes, Greeks tend to support Palestinians or at least they do not overlook their situation but this is not the chief reason why they top the ADL's list. Is it possible that Greeks have cultural memory of the 2500 years old struggle between the two cultures and they are unwilling to betray. They can't accept the new overlords and the new Masters of the Universe while their memory reminds them that once they were superior and Jews were those barbarians afflicted with the most extreme form of religious fanaticism and obscurantism. Jews were not the 'Light to the Nations" to Greeks. Swedes may buy this BS but not Greeks. Probably Greek Orthodox Church also plays some role in maintaining the continuity with the past for Greeks.

    So Greeks must be modernized. Nothing modernizes people as as fast as war, ethnic cleansing, uprooting and losing your connection to land as your property. It worked as charm on Russians. Bolsheviks did an excellent job. Why does NATO permit the high tensions between Turkey and Greece? Greece spends lots of money on military.

    Greek antisemitism is easy to understand if you consider Greece as belonging to the Eastern Mediterranean rather than the “West”.

    Greece is being punished because of the German sparfuchs mentality. I witnessed a particularly amusing conversation consisting of my German uncle attempting to explain to my Greek sister-in-law the German position on the Greek debt crisis.

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  170. Mitleser says:

    A victory for Qatar (Airways).

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  171. @Gerard2

    I’ve always said that as bad as the old school commies are, they are like Aryan Ubermensch compared to modern liberals.
    Of course I am referring to actual commies, not western larpers.
     
    What's to say she's talking about Russian-Tatar, Russian-Buryat,Russian-Armenian,Russian-Chechen (Dudayev, anyone) ,Russian-Georgian and so relationships? Nothing

    What is to assume these are less mixed-race relationships then a Russian-African one?

    Russians are the least racist country on earth

    Nothing she says here is conservative or controversial or remotely racist......it's pure common sense. A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn't say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child.....whether in New York,London, Paris,Russia or Rome

    “A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child…..”
    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.

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    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.
     
    That actually makes sense if you think about it. Just look at the greatest “Germans”, whose names will never be forgotten: Beethoven, Einstein, Marx. What did they have in common? They were all part african:

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lypdk5KnkH1qglqe6.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/03/16/4BCD9CDB00000578-5687445-A_16_year_old_Albert_Einstein_in_1895-a-64_1525359896736.jpg

    https://i1.wp.com/thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/le_jeune_karl_marx_01-copy.jpeg?fit=440%2C476&ssl=1
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  172. utu says:
    @German_reader
    I don't think DFH is ignorant, he's generally quite knowledgeable.
    I suspect part of his reasoning (apart from Latin having impeded the development of vernacular culture for centuries) might be that traditionally the British upper classes placed excessive importance on classics, disdaining and neglecting more practically useful subjects. And such mindless adulation of the classical heritage can certainly be a problem. But it's not one we're suffering from today.

    But it’s not one we’re suffering from today.

    Wouldn’t you prefer occasional ‘mindless adulation of the classical heritage’ if our culture remained faithful to its classical heritage and thus possibly would protect us from whatever ‘we’re suffering from today’?

    Latin did not impede development of vernacular culture. Quite the opposite. W/o Latin the vernacular languages would not develop to the level of being viable communication tools able to convey higher levels of thought. Try two imagine people communicating in English w/o Greek and Latin (via French and from Latin) influences. I think you can find people like that in England. They are clearly lower forms of life.

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    Try two imagine people communicating in English w/o Greek and Latin (via French and from Latin) influences.
     
    I don't have to imagine it; it's called German.

    .

    Wouldn’t you prefer occasional ‘mindless adulation of the classical heritage’ if our culture remained faithful to its classical heritage and thus possibly would protect us from whatever ‘we’re suffering from today’?
     

    Most of the Enlightenment/liberal thinkers (if that is what you mean) were very well acquainted with Classics (even Tom Paine).
    , @German_reader

    Latin did not impede development of vernacular culture.
     
    I think it did, and in England there was extensive use of the vernacular for both literary and administrative purposes already by the 10th century. That Old English literary culture was destroyed to a large extent by the Conquest, but I don't think that should be seen as a positive development that somehow improved the level of civilization in England.
    I agree with you on the larger issue of Latin and the classics though, their removal from the school system is a very negative development imo.
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  173. @songbird
    Certainly true, although I don't think Ali was as dangerous, since he didn't pretend to be anything but black. A lot of those new athletes pretend not only to whites, but even certain national ethnicities of whites.

    There was even some African who played on the Greek national B-ball team. His family were illegal immigrants from Africa, I believe. To the Greek's good fortune, he moved to America, but many Greek-Americans embraced him there, and he gloried in his Greek connections.

    I know what you mean…David Haye with the Union Jack as headband, Balotelli the Italian hero and winner against the nasty Germans etc.

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  174. DFH says:
    @utu

    But it’s not one we’re suffering from today.
     
    Wouldn't you prefer occasional 'mindless adulation of the classical heritage' if our culture remained faithful to its classical heritage and thus possibly would protect us from whatever 'we’re suffering from today'?

    Latin did not impede development of vernacular culture. Quite the opposite. W/o Latin the vernacular languages would not develop to the level of being viable communication tools able to convey higher levels of thought. Try two imagine people communicating in English w/o Greek and Latin (via French and from Latin) influences. I think you can find people like that in England. They are clearly lower forms of life.

    Try two imagine people communicating in English w/o Greek and Latin (via French and from Latin) influences.

    I don’t have to imagine it; it’s called German.

    .

    Wouldn’t you prefer occasional ‘mindless adulation of the classical heritage’ if our culture remained faithful to its classical heritage and thus possibly would protect us from whatever ‘we’re suffering from today’?

    Most of the Enlightenment/liberal thinkers (if that is what you mean) were very well acquainted with Classics (even Tom Paine).

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  175. Beckow says:
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    Orban might have made some parochial mistakes when building stadiums or roads
     
    The roads were built by his predecessors. It'd be better if he built roads, too.

    In Russia's case, they can build the military. Do people care one way or the other? Just as many people get excited by the military (see the many internet fanboys of different fighter jets) as by football. Actually, I'd think it's often the same type of personality. The military was relatively popular in the USSR (or Nazi Germany, even in present-day Hungary), and it's popular in Russia. Russia can develop domestic high technology while doing so. Why waste the money on stadiums?

    I agree that Sochi seems to be a different thing. The costs might be vastly exaggerated because they include huge infrastructure costs.

    It’d be better if he built roads

    Yes, and upgrade the Budapest subway. I am not a big fan of military spending. It is mostly pure waste and silly posturing. One can see it as entertainment and sometimes I do, but people get hurt. For Russia having nuclear weapons seems sufficient. I agree it helps with technology.

    My basic point is that we have become too obsessed with managing down, with foregoing experiences because of the so-called ‘cost’. Having Olympics, World Cups, decent trains and airports is better for the economy than the endless public and private activities that we currently eagerly sponsor. More cheap crap imported in a container from Asia? Woopie, more the better, it ‘increases GNP‘. But spending money on local activities, sports, culture, infrastructure is often described as waste. We have it upside down. We are not using the incredible possibilities that our very efficient societies with enough material goods to go around would allow us to do. And in that respect Russia mimics West and both are wrong.

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    I strongly disagree about the military. The military is something like an insurance: it's rarely needed, but the consequences of not having it could be catastrophic. I also don't understand how building stadiums could be more (as opposed to less) useful than developing your military. The military could at least conceivably be useful. Stadiums are entertainment only.
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  176. @utu

    But it’s not one we’re suffering from today.
     
    Wouldn't you prefer occasional 'mindless adulation of the classical heritage' if our culture remained faithful to its classical heritage and thus possibly would protect us from whatever 'we’re suffering from today'?

    Latin did not impede development of vernacular culture. Quite the opposite. W/o Latin the vernacular languages would not develop to the level of being viable communication tools able to convey higher levels of thought. Try two imagine people communicating in English w/o Greek and Latin (via French and from Latin) influences. I think you can find people like that in England. They are clearly lower forms of life.

    Latin did not impede development of vernacular culture.

    I think it did, and in England there was extensive use of the vernacular for both literary and administrative purposes already by the 10th century. That Old English literary culture was destroyed to a large extent by the Conquest, but I don’t think that should be seen as a positive development that somehow improved the level of civilization in England.
    I agree with you on the larger issue of Latin and the classics though, their removal from the school system is a very negative development imo.

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    Please tell me about German language and the word formation and word creation. When Germans encountered Latin and Greek texts when translating them how many new German words did they have to construct or assign new meanings to existing words to convey the meaning of the text? They also adopted some Greek and Latin words but not as many as French or English. My point is that Latin and Greek texts could not be translated to German without a simultaneous expansion of the German language. So if German language evolved in isolation from Latin and Greek it would be less rich or it would took much longer to get to the level to convey notions and ideas that languages that were influenced by Latin and Greek could. So even if German has less words etymologically from Latin or Greek than English it does not mean that German language could exist as it is now w/o Latin and Greek participation in its formation.

    I do not know the history of the ten century English. But I suspect that the reason it lost in competition with a 'new version' is simple; because the old one was inadequate and comparably poor.

    These processes were kind of natural but still man driven. The translators were the constructors of the language. Monks and priest who knew religious texts when communicating in vernacular had to come up with new words or assign new meanings. The process was mostly top down. So it was not dissimilar to more artificial language constructions like the one that happened in Bohemia in 19 century or in Israel in 20 century. They were just condensed into much shorter time.

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  177. utu says:
    @German_reader

    Latin did not impede development of vernacular culture.
     
    I think it did, and in England there was extensive use of the vernacular for both literary and administrative purposes already by the 10th century. That Old English literary culture was destroyed to a large extent by the Conquest, but I don't think that should be seen as a positive development that somehow improved the level of civilization in England.
    I agree with you on the larger issue of Latin and the classics though, their removal from the school system is a very negative development imo.

    Please tell me about German language and the word formation and word creation. When Germans encountered Latin and Greek texts when translating them how many new German words did they have to construct or assign new meanings to existing words to convey the meaning of the text? They also adopted some Greek and Latin words but not as many as French or English. My point is that Latin and Greek texts could not be translated to German without a simultaneous expansion of the German language. So if German language evolved in isolation from Latin and Greek it would be less rich or it would took much longer to get to the level to convey notions and ideas that languages that were influenced by Latin and Greek could. So even if German has less words etymologically from Latin or Greek than English it does not mean that German language could exist as it is now w/o Latin and Greek participation in its formation.

    I do not know the history of the ten century English. But I suspect that the reason it lost in competition with a ‘new version’ is simple; because the old one was inadequate and comparably poor.

    These processes were kind of natural but still man driven. The translators were the constructors of the language. Monks and priest who knew religious texts when communicating in vernacular had to come up with new words or assign new meanings. The process was mostly top down. So it was not dissimilar to more artificial language constructions like the one that happened in Bohemia in 19 century or in Israel in 20 century. They were just condensed into much shorter time.

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    But I suspect that the reason it lost in competition with a ‘new version’ is simple
     
    No, it was simply a question of power after 1066, the old elites were dispossessed and the conquerors brought their own literary and administrative culture with them.
    Anyway, I don't think I really disagree with you on the crucial issues, I think the classical heritage has played a very important role in European history and our civilization would be much poorer without it, so we should cultivate it.
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  178. Dmitry says:

    So far the first day, the World Cup is already clearly very successful.

    Even American and British media has changed and started reporting positively about the atmosphere.

    -

    And – it is surreal, but the foreign fans are often waving Russia flags.

    E.g. See at 16:30 in the video

    The Moroccans are supporting Russia.

    And 15:00 even the Saudis looking happy despite their embarrassing defeat.

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    We say that one swallow doesn't bring spring, but today was a decent day. I have noticed that the British seem obsessed with some guy named Robbie who showed a 'finger' at his stadium performance. Not sure to whom and not clear if he did, but in the spirit of what-could-happen-news, it must be called a major protest against Russia. Or something like that.

    Our local media (Slovakia) is split down the middle between straight sports news about a happy festival in Moscow, and the 'German' owned elite media that is covering stray dogs, looking for 'hooligans', and declared that today's match was between 'two weakest teams'. They barely mentioned who won, but went on and on about the length of Putin's limousine and the above-mentioned 'finger'.

    Thank you Germans, or whoever it is who is hiding behind the 'regional German media conglomerate'. This is fun. Tomorrow, tell us about the lesbians and their travails with the always-burly Kozaks.
    , @songbird
    If I were a Saudi, I'd be happy anytime I left S.A.
    , @Matra
    The Moroccans are supporting Russia.

    Not surprising. They claim Saudi Arabia led a campaign in favour of the winning USA/Mexico/Canada World Cup bid against Morocco. Typical sentiment expressed by Samira Sitail, a director of some sort, at a Moroccan TV channel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Samirasitail1/status/1006618434338283520
    , @Bliss

    it is surreal, but the foreign fans are often waving Russia flags.
     
    Smart move. They are doing it to protect themselves from the wrath of the Russian hooligans.

    even the Saudis looking happy despite their embarrassing defeat.
     
    Of course, because they are so relieved the danger has passed. They are thinking the hooligans will have no reason to attack them now.
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  179. @utu
    Please tell me about German language and the word formation and word creation. When Germans encountered Latin and Greek texts when translating them how many new German words did they have to construct or assign new meanings to existing words to convey the meaning of the text? They also adopted some Greek and Latin words but not as many as French or English. My point is that Latin and Greek texts could not be translated to German without a simultaneous expansion of the German language. So if German language evolved in isolation from Latin and Greek it would be less rich or it would took much longer to get to the level to convey notions and ideas that languages that were influenced by Latin and Greek could. So even if German has less words etymologically from Latin or Greek than English it does not mean that German language could exist as it is now w/o Latin and Greek participation in its formation.

    I do not know the history of the ten century English. But I suspect that the reason it lost in competition with a 'new version' is simple; because the old one was inadequate and comparably poor.

    These processes were kind of natural but still man driven. The translators were the constructors of the language. Monks and priest who knew religious texts when communicating in vernacular had to come up with new words or assign new meanings. The process was mostly top down. So it was not dissimilar to more artificial language constructions like the one that happened in Bohemia in 19 century or in Israel in 20 century. They were just condensed into much shorter time.

    But I suspect that the reason it lost in competition with a ‘new version’ is simple

    No, it was simply a question of power after 1066, the old elites were dispossessed and the conquerors brought their own literary and administrative culture with them.
    Anyway, I don’t think I really disagree with you on the crucial issues, I think the classical heritage has played a very important role in European history and our civilization would be much poorer without it, so we should cultivate it.

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    When did German acquire/create the word künstlich? Would it appear without the influence of Latin by using the existing template arte->artificialis even if we assume that the meaning of the word Kunst in German had the meaning of arte existed prior to contacts with Latin? What I am positing is that w/o Latin the form künstlich would not exist in German.

    A similar situation would be in the pre 1066 English. The concept of 'artificial' would take more time to be elucidated w/o the existing template in Latin. Eventually there would be some adjective with the meaning of artificial but most likely it would not have the root of Kunst. And perhaps in English it would be handmade or manmade instead of artificial,
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  180. Dmitry says:

    At 3:00 in the video,

    The Iranians and the Saudis have become friends. And both shouting for Russia.

    (It seems like the atmosphere so far has been unusually successful and peaceful).

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  181. Beckow says:
    @Dmitry
    So far the first day, the World Cup is already clearly very successful.

    Even American and British media has changed and started reporting positively about the atmosphere.

    -

    And - it is surreal, but the foreign fans are often waving Russia flags.

    E.g. See at 16:30 in the video

    The Moroccans are supporting Russia.

    And 15:00 even the Saudis looking happy despite their embarrassing defeat.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3T1A1b8K3g

    We say that one swallow doesn’t bring spring, but today was a decent day. I have noticed that the British seem obsessed with some guy named Robbie who showed a ‘finger’ at his stadium performance. Not sure to whom and not clear if he did, but in the spirit of what-could-happen-news, it must be called a major protest against Russia. Or something like that.

    Our local media (Slovakia) is split down the middle between straight sports news about a happy festival in Moscow, and the ‘German’ owned elite media that is covering stray dogs, looking for ‘hooligans’, and declared that today’s match was between ‘two weakest teams’. They barely mentioned who won, but went on and on about the length of Putin’s limousine and the above-mentioned ‘finger’.

    Thank you Germans, or whoever it is who is hiding behind the ‘regional German media conglomerate’. This is fun. Tomorrow, tell us about the lesbians and their travails with the always-burly Kozaks.

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    The fans are very happy so far - and they realize the negative claims were falsifications (look at the guy at 0:17 in video below).

    If the event can continue like this, it will definitely be creating long-term positive momentum for the tourist industry.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miyxMDIfkvs
    , @utu

    who is hiding behind the ‘regional German media conglomerate’
     
    Looks like they are taking their job pretty seriously. I mean the job of indoctrination. It sounds very crude and I suspect most people will reject it just as they were able to be skeptical about the communist media but some of it will get to people. The most important message people will get is that it is OK to disrespect Russians and also the contempt. Some people will buy it because they like to think they are better than somebody else.

    This is pretty evil and all those young reporters and pretty girls who do this look so innocent and earnest, right?
    , @German_reader

    Thank you Germans, or whoever it is who is hiding behind the ‘regional German media conglomerate’.
     
    Is that the Springer media conglomerate? If so, not surprising, it's just non-stop Atlanticist propaganda with them.
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  182. songbird says:
    @Dmitry
    So far the first day, the World Cup is already clearly very successful.

    Even American and British media has changed and started reporting positively about the atmosphere.

    -

    And - it is surreal, but the foreign fans are often waving Russia flags.

    E.g. See at 16:30 in the video

    The Moroccans are supporting Russia.

    And 15:00 even the Saudis looking happy despite their embarrassing defeat.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3T1A1b8K3g

    If I were a Saudi, I’d be happy anytime I left S.A.

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  183. utu says:
    @German_reader

    But I suspect that the reason it lost in competition with a ‘new version’ is simple
     
    No, it was simply a question of power after 1066, the old elites were dispossessed and the conquerors brought their own literary and administrative culture with them.
    Anyway, I don't think I really disagree with you on the crucial issues, I think the classical heritage has played a very important role in European history and our civilization would be much poorer without it, so we should cultivate it.

    When did German acquire/create the word künstlich? Would it appear without the influence of Latin by using the existing template arte->artificialis even if we assume that the meaning of the word Kunst in German had the meaning of arte existed prior to contacts with Latin? What I am positing is that w/o Latin the form künstlich would not exist in German.

    A similar situation would be in the pre 1066 English. The concept of ‘artificial’ would take more time to be elucidated w/o the existing template in Latin. Eventually there would be some adjective with the meaning of artificial but most likely it would not have the root of Kunst. And perhaps in English it would be handmade or manmade instead of artificial,

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    These are interesting questions about word formation, but tbh I can't really answer them (at least not without some serious effort for which I don't have time right now), sorry.
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  184. Dmitry says:
    @Beckow
    We say that one swallow doesn't bring spring, but today was a decent day. I have noticed that the British seem obsessed with some guy named Robbie who showed a 'finger' at his stadium performance. Not sure to whom and not clear if he did, but in the spirit of what-could-happen-news, it must be called a major protest against Russia. Or something like that.

    Our local media (Slovakia) is split down the middle between straight sports news about a happy festival in Moscow, and the 'German' owned elite media that is covering stray dogs, looking for 'hooligans', and declared that today's match was between 'two weakest teams'. They barely mentioned who won, but went on and on about the length of Putin's limousine and the above-mentioned 'finger'.

    Thank you Germans, or whoever it is who is hiding behind the 'regional German media conglomerate'. This is fun. Tomorrow, tell us about the lesbians and their travails with the always-burly Kozaks.

    The fans are very happy so far – and they realize the negative claims were falsifications (look at the guy at 0:17 in video below).

    If the event can continue like this, it will definitely be creating long-term positive momentum for the tourist industry.

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    ... if the event can continue like this...
     
    They will have to do something. The beauty for the Western media (and their managers) is that since they fully control the story-line back home even very small idiotic minutia events can be spun as part of the 'evil Russia' narrative. That actually helps because they can stay small. But there might be fanatics who will try to go for the jugular. It will be an interesting month...who will the next Iceland?
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  185. utu says:
    @Beckow
    We say that one swallow doesn't bring spring, but today was a decent day. I have noticed that the British seem obsessed with some guy named Robbie who showed a 'finger' at his stadium performance. Not sure to whom and not clear if he did, but in the spirit of what-could-happen-news, it must be called a major protest against Russia. Or something like that.

    Our local media (Slovakia) is split down the middle between straight sports news about a happy festival in Moscow, and the 'German' owned elite media that is covering stray dogs, looking for 'hooligans', and declared that today's match was between 'two weakest teams'. They barely mentioned who won, but went on and on about the length of Putin's limousine and the above-mentioned 'finger'.

    Thank you Germans, or whoever it is who is hiding behind the 'regional German media conglomerate'. This is fun. Tomorrow, tell us about the lesbians and their travails with the always-burly Kozaks.

    who is hiding behind the ‘regional German media conglomerate’

    Looks like they are taking their job pretty seriously. I mean the job of indoctrination. It sounds very crude and I suspect most people will reject it just as they were able to be skeptical about the communist media but some of it will get to people. The most important message people will get is that it is OK to disrespect Russians and also the contempt. Some people will buy it because they like to think they are better than somebody else.

    This is pretty evil and all those young reporters and pretty girls who do this look so innocent and earnest, right?

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    Unfortunately the most important message most of the population gets is that media is always propaganda. It is taken as a truism. That makes rational discussion harder, because people just want to know 'who do you work for?'.

    (By the way, pretty girls in Bratislava are seldom innocent.)
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  186. @utu
    When did German acquire/create the word künstlich? Would it appear without the influence of Latin by using the existing template arte->artificialis even if we assume that the meaning of the word Kunst in German had the meaning of arte existed prior to contacts with Latin? What I am positing is that w/o Latin the form künstlich would not exist in German.

    A similar situation would be in the pre 1066 English. The concept of 'artificial' would take more time to be elucidated w/o the existing template in Latin. Eventually there would be some adjective with the meaning of artificial but most likely it would not have the root of Kunst. And perhaps in English it would be handmade or manmade instead of artificial,

    These are interesting questions about word formation, but tbh I can’t really answer them (at least not without some serious effort for which I don’t have time right now), sorry.

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  187. @Beckow
    We say that one swallow doesn't bring spring, but today was a decent day. I have noticed that the British seem obsessed with some guy named Robbie who showed a 'finger' at his stadium performance. Not sure to whom and not clear if he did, but in the spirit of what-could-happen-news, it must be called a major protest against Russia. Or something like that.

    Our local media (Slovakia) is split down the middle between straight sports news about a happy festival in Moscow, and the 'German' owned elite media that is covering stray dogs, looking for 'hooligans', and declared that today's match was between 'two weakest teams'. They barely mentioned who won, but went on and on about the length of Putin's limousine and the above-mentioned 'finger'.

    Thank you Germans, or whoever it is who is hiding behind the 'regional German media conglomerate'. This is fun. Tomorrow, tell us about the lesbians and their travails with the always-burly Kozaks.

    Thank you Germans, or whoever it is who is hiding behind the ‘regional German media conglomerate’.

    Is that the Springer media conglomerate? If so, not surprising, it’s just non-stop Atlanticist propaganda with them.

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    Yep, it is them. And CME. What is amusing is that their local staff often goes overboard and fulfils the editorial direction above 100%. That gives one an insight into the 'talking points'. I have seen them write out verbatim what looks like an instruction sheet, with no nuance. They are both lazy and unsure of themselves, so they stick with what they receive.
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  188. Beckow says:
    @Dmitry
    The fans are very happy so far - and they realize the negative claims were falsifications (look at the guy at 0:17 in video below).

    If the event can continue like this, it will definitely be creating long-term positive momentum for the tourist industry.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miyxMDIfkvs

    … if the event can continue like this…

    They will have to do something. The beauty for the Western media (and their managers) is that since they fully control the story-line back home even very small idiotic minutia events can be spun as part of the ‘evil Russia’ narrative. That actually helps because they can stay small. But there might be fanatics who will try to go for the jugular. It will be an interesting month…who will the next Iceland?

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  189. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Thank you Germans, or whoever it is who is hiding behind the ‘regional German media conglomerate’.
     
    Is that the Springer media conglomerate? If so, not surprising, it's just non-stop Atlanticist propaganda with them.

    Yep, it is them. And CME. What is amusing is that their local staff often goes overboard and fulfils the editorial direction above 100%. That gives one an insight into the ‘talking points’. I have seen them write out verbatim what looks like an instruction sheet, with no nuance. They are both lazy and unsure of themselves, so they stick with what they receive.

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    so they stick with what they receive
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlnFuDCHpus

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNV3_bS_0ts

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZVv2AOCnaA
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  190. Beckow says:
    @utu

    who is hiding behind the ‘regional German media conglomerate’
     
    Looks like they are taking their job pretty seriously. I mean the job of indoctrination. It sounds very crude and I suspect most people will reject it just as they were able to be skeptical about the communist media but some of it will get to people. The most important message people will get is that it is OK to disrespect Russians and also the contempt. Some people will buy it because they like to think they are better than somebody else.

    This is pretty evil and all those young reporters and pretty girls who do this look so innocent and earnest, right?

    Unfortunately the most important message most of the population gets is that media is always propaganda. It is taken as a truism. That makes rational discussion harder, because people just want to know ‘who do you work for?‘.

    (By the way, pretty girls in Bratislava are seldom innocent.)

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    Pretty girls anywhere are seldom innocent.

    Girls like to screw too.

    News at 11.

    That's why their sexuality needs to be controlled.

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  191. @Beckow
    Unfortunately the most important message most of the population gets is that media is always propaganda. It is taken as a truism. That makes rational discussion harder, because people just want to know 'who do you work for?'.

    (By the way, pretty girls in Bratislava are seldom innocent.)

    Pretty girls anywhere are seldom innocent.

    Girls like to screw too.

    News at 11.

    That’s why their sexuality needs to be controlled.

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    ...that’s why their sexuality needs to be controlled
     
    Yep, but I can only do so much. One of me, and so many of them...
    , @Dmitry
    It's falling with each generation although - both in America and in Russia.

    Japan I believe, is just somewhere a little further into the future, but other advanced countries are going through the same process.

    Teen sex and drug use at lowest rates in decades, CDC finds

    Today's teens are a much tamer lot, a new U.S. government survey finds. Fewer high school students are turning to sex or drugs, with the 2017 rates the lowest reported since the survey began in 1991, said researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

     

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teens-sex-drugs-lowest-rates-in-decades-cdc-finds/
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  192. @AaronB
    I think the Revolution needs something like the 60s idea of never trust anyone over 30.

    The Old Guard will always try and squash fresh ideas and will angrily lash out at anyone trying to chart a new course. The Old Guard is always rigid, bitter, resentful.

    I find it significant that that the relatively young Thorfinsson and Polish Perspective showed the merest smidgen of sympathy for my ideas - although they obviously dislike me and disagree with much of what I say. Still they have the flexibility to adapt, which means survival.

    The Old Guard of aged men is frantically trying to crush any fresh idea and double down on the old ones - they cannot accept that these ideas have failed, because these ideas have become their identity. No one wants to accept their identity has failed. It is understandable but dead wood must be cut loose.

    Failed people will try their best to make others fail - this is a well known phenomena. The guy who starts getting good with girls suddenly finds that his old friends try bitterly to make him fail. Many of us have experienced this.

    The Old Guard of German Reader, Reiner Tor, utu, DFH - we must have sympathy for them and make their journey into that gentle night where their worn out hearts will find peace as painless as possible.

    The task for young whites is to grow strong and valiant, flexible and adaptive, open to fresh ideas and fearless, to cut out those elements of the Greek heritage that ends killing its host every time it is adopted like a cancer and perhaps rediscover that side of the Greek heritage that spells life and health, and to relearn basic truths from Asians, Muslims, Jews, and Russians - and be willing to learn from anyone anywhere anytime.

    Your ideas may or may not be valid, but you need to improve your rhetorical skills. I think I mildly dislike you – but mainly the way you talk just makes me feel indifferent to your ideology.
    I can hate someone who is serious, but I can’t hate someone who seems like he doesn’t actually believe in anything.

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    but I can’t hate someone who seems like he doesn’t actually believe in anything
     
    .

    You would think, right? And yet I have found that the most polarizing attitude I can take is this kind of "indifference". I find people get furious at me for it!

    I would expect people to have your reaction - that's natural. But somehow not taking "the world" seriously seems to seriously piss people off.

    I think it gets to the root of metaphysics - "realists" are infuriated by idealists.

    Its not that I don't believe in anything - I believe in Nothing.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    For the record I like AaronB and intend to make him my court Jew when I take power.

    It seems that this is mutual as well. As I understand it AaronB not only likes me but also doesn't consider himself fit for leadership, but does consider me to be.

    He's kind of sloppy at times but whatever. Like I told him before when your only tool is a hammer the more everything looks like a nail.
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  193. utu says:
    @Beckow
    Yep, it is them. And CME. What is amusing is that their local staff often goes overboard and fulfils the editorial direction above 100%. That gives one an insight into the 'talking points'. I have seen them write out verbatim what looks like an instruction sheet, with no nuance. They are both lazy and unsure of themselves, so they stick with what they receive.

    so they stick with what they receive

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    Hilarious, I am saving that...
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  194. Matra says:
    @Dmitry
    So far the first day, the World Cup is already clearly very successful.

    Even American and British media has changed and started reporting positively about the atmosphere.

    -

    And - it is surreal, but the foreign fans are often waving Russia flags.

    E.g. See at 16:30 in the video

    The Moroccans are supporting Russia.

    And 15:00 even the Saudis looking happy despite their embarrassing defeat.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3T1A1b8K3g

    The Moroccans are supporting Russia.

    Not surprising. They claim Saudi Arabia led a campaign in favour of the winning USA/Mexico/Canada World Cup bid against Morocco. Typical sentiment expressed by Samira Sitail, a director of some sort, at a Moroccan TV channel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Samirasitail1/status/1006618434338283520

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  195. Beckow says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Pretty girls anywhere are seldom innocent.

    Girls like to screw too.

    News at 11.

    That's why their sexuality needs to be controlled.

    …that’s why their sexuality needs to be controlled

    Yep, but I can only do so much. One of me, and so many of them…

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  196. Beckow says:
    @utu

    so they stick with what they receive
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlnFuDCHpus

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNV3_bS_0ts

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZVv2AOCnaA

    Hilarious, I am saving that…

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  197. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean
    Your ideas may or may not be valid, but you need to improve your rhetorical skills. I think I mildly dislike you - but mainly the way you talk just makes me feel indifferent to your ideology.
    I can hate someone who is serious, but I can't hate someone who seems like he doesn't actually believe in anything.

    but I can’t hate someone who seems like he doesn’t actually believe in anything

    .

    You would think, right? And yet I have found that the most polarizing attitude I can take is this kind of “indifference”. I find people get furious at me for it!

    I would expect people to have your reaction – that’s natural. But somehow not taking “the world” seriously seems to seriously piss people off.

    I think it gets to the root of metaphysics – “realists” are infuriated by idealists.

    Its not that I don’t believe in anything – I believe in Nothing.

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    People dislike your comments because you come across as a pompous windbag. Some people are more invested in this online thing than others and don't realize that to a large extent one can separate real people from personae.
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  198. @Hyperborean
    Your ideas may or may not be valid, but you need to improve your rhetorical skills. I think I mildly dislike you - but mainly the way you talk just makes me feel indifferent to your ideology.
    I can hate someone who is serious, but I can't hate someone who seems like he doesn't actually believe in anything.

    For the record I like AaronB and intend to make him my court Jew when I take power.

    It seems that this is mutual as well. As I understand it AaronB not only likes me but also doesn’t consider himself fit for leadership, but does consider me to be.

    He’s kind of sloppy at times but whatever. Like I told him before when your only tool is a hammer the more everything looks like a nail.

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    court Jew
     
    court jester would be more appropriate.
    , @AaronB
    Why thank you, Thor, for your kind words! I do indeed like you, though there is work to be done smoothing out your rough edges.

    Correct, I do not covet the burdens of leadership. And while I am honored you would consider me for the position of Court Jew, I am afraid I am like the Taoist sage, who would rather be like the turtle who drags his tail contentedly in the mud.

    And with the state in capable hands, I can finally retire to my mountain but and contemplate eternity in peace.
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  199. Dmitry says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    Pretty girls anywhere are seldom innocent.

    Girls like to screw too.

    News at 11.

    That's why their sexuality needs to be controlled.

    It’s falling with each generation although – both in America and in Russia.

    Japan I believe, is just somewhere a little further into the future, but other advanced countries are going through the same process.

    Teen sex and drug use at lowest rates in decades, CDC finds

    Today’s teens are a much tamer lot, a new U.S. government survey finds. Fewer high school students are turning to sex or drugs, with the 2017 rates the lowest reported since the survey began in 1991, said researchers from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teens-sex-drugs-lowest-rates-in-decades-cdc-finds/

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  200. @Thorfinnsson
    For the record I like AaronB and intend to make him my court Jew when I take power.

    It seems that this is mutual as well. As I understand it AaronB not only likes me but also doesn't consider himself fit for leadership, but does consider me to be.

    He's kind of sloppy at times but whatever. Like I told him before when your only tool is a hammer the more everything looks like a nail.

    court Jew

    court jester would be more appropriate.

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    • Replies: @AaronB
    In your own way, GR, you understand me better than anyone here!

    You know, my non-Jewish side just happens to be German - we have a bond, you and I, do we not?

    I feel it.
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  201. I don’t really care much for watching professional football (or any sport really) but it is very good that the KSA suffered a humiliating defeat.

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  202. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    For the record I like AaronB and intend to make him my court Jew when I take power.

    It seems that this is mutual as well. As I understand it AaronB not only likes me but also doesn't consider himself fit for leadership, but does consider me to be.

    He's kind of sloppy at times but whatever. Like I told him before when your only tool is a hammer the more everything looks like a nail.

    Why thank you, Thor, for your kind words! I do indeed like you, though there is work to be done smoothing out your rough edges.

    Correct, I do not covet the burdens of leadership. And while I am honored you would consider me for the position of Court Jew, I am afraid I am like the Taoist sage, who would rather be like the turtle who drags his tail contentedly in the mud.

    And with the state in capable hands, I can finally retire to my mountain but and contemplate eternity in peace.

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    What work is needed to smooth out my rough edges?

    I am going to take over this world.

    And I want your assistance in this project.
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  203. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    court Jew
     
    court jester would be more appropriate.

    In your own way, GR, you understand me better than anyone here!

    You know, my non-Jewish side just happens to be German – we have a bond, you and I, do we not?

    I feel it.

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  204. Bliss says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I think its mostly a struggle against entropy, including parasites and predators that naturally appear when society is weakened thanks to reduced selection. Entropy kills people, societies and even planets. Chaos seeks to consume all.

    But it is not right to merely accept this. We should struggle and fight against it, and impose order against an encroaching end.

    I refuse to go gentle in the good night.

    I refuse to go gentle in the good night.

    But go you will, keyboard warrior.

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  205. @AaronB
    Why thank you, Thor, for your kind words! I do indeed like you, though there is work to be done smoothing out your rough edges.

    Correct, I do not covet the burdens of leadership. And while I am honored you would consider me for the position of Court Jew, I am afraid I am like the Taoist sage, who would rather be like the turtle who drags his tail contentedly in the mud.

    And with the state in capable hands, I can finally retire to my mountain but and contemplate eternity in peace.

    What work is needed to smooth out my rough edges?

    I am going to take over this world.

    And I want your assistance in this project.

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    And conquer you shall! The world is ripe for the taking.

    What work is needed to smooth out my rough edges?
     
    You do not sufficiently appreciate the moral level - you are harsh. Not enough love.

    And I want your assistance in this project
     
    Will I never be free to retire to my mountain hut?
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  206. Bliss says:
    @Dmitry
    So far the first day, the World Cup is already clearly very successful.

    Even American and British media has changed and started reporting positively about the atmosphere.

    -

    And - it is surreal, but the foreign fans are often waving Russia flags.

    E.g. See at 16:30 in the video

    The Moroccans are supporting Russia.

    And 15:00 even the Saudis looking happy despite their embarrassing defeat.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3T1A1b8K3g

    it is surreal, but the foreign fans are often waving Russia flags.

    Smart move. They are doing it to protect themselves from the wrath of the Russian hooligans.

    even the Saudis looking happy despite their embarrassing defeat.

    Of course, because they are so relieved the danger has passed. They are thinking the hooligans will have no reason to attack them now.

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    Smart move. They are doing it to protect themselves from the wrath of the Russian hooligans.

    Of course, because they are so relieved the danger has passed. They are thinking the hooligans will have no reason to attack them now.
     

    Just important tourists, and not English hooligans- they won't be in fear of anything.

    English media will make their hooligans scared soon probably even of the teenage girls


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNMHQoiVKI


    Although the girls are a little scary


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mleyRSJiMcQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP4W9aKMBRM

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  207. Bliss says:
    @Erik Sieven
    "A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child….."
    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.

    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.

    That actually makes sense if you think about it. Just look at the greatest “Germans”, whose names will never be forgotten: Beethoven, Einstein, Marx. What did they have in common? They were all part african:

    https://i1.wp.com/thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/le_jeune_karl_marx_01-copy.jpeg?fit=440%2C476&ssl=1

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    Actually Beethoven, Einstein and Marx were all women who had to pretend to be men to make careers in man dominated society.
    , @AP
    Don't forget other Africans, like Jerry Seinfeld:

    http://moveablefest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DyingLaughingJerrySeinfeld.jpg

    Emperor Hirohito of Japan:

    https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/v1492196419/cheats/2014/09/09/emperor-warned-against-u-s-wwii-attack/140909-emperor-hirohito-cheat_dfsehs.jpg

    Rose McGowan:

    https://www.billboard.com/files/media/rose-mcgowan-june-2-2018-billboard-1548.jpg

    Etc.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    I now understand that you'r joshing us with your we wuz kangz posts.

    That said I can't resist.

    We wuz Junkerz 'n sheet :)
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  208. Bliss says:
    @songbird
    A single mother with an obvious darkish looking child ( she doesn’t say refer to colour) will be looked down upon more than a single mother with the same race child

    You seem to be making an argument about social ostracism - as if that is the only point to distinguish such relationships. It's not: many such children suffer from a lack of identity. Mixed-race relationships - particularly those with blacks are inherently less stable. Potential mothers should be informed of that, rather than propagandized through Western media to idealize it. They should also be informed about IQ.

    They should also be informed about IQ.

    But, but, if Russian women are told to seek out mates based on IQ wouldn’t that leave Russian men handicapped? After all in the IQ rankings:

    Jews > East Asians > West Europeans > Slavs

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    Specifically only Ashkenazi Jews, and they don't have an IQ of 115. More like 108. Comparable to Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Lutherans in America. Ron Unz has also documented a collapse in Jewish academic performance.

    As for Songbird you're sandbagging him.

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  209. Dmitry says:
    @Bliss

    it is surreal, but the foreign fans are often waving Russia flags.
     
    Smart move. They are doing it to protect themselves from the wrath of the Russian hooligans.

    even the Saudis looking happy despite their embarrassing defeat.
     
    Of course, because they are so relieved the danger has passed. They are thinking the hooligans will have no reason to attack them now.

    Smart move. They are doing it to protect themselves from the wrath of the Russian hooligans.

    Of course, because they are so relieved the danger has passed. They are thinking the hooligans will have no reason to attack them now.

    Just important tourists, and not English hooligans- they won’t be in fear of anything.

    English media will make their hooligans scared soon probably even of the teenage girls

    Although the girls are a little scary

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    Wow...female Droogs - impressive trajectory post-modern man is taking. Certainly throwing the old dystopian writers for a spin.

    Peace.
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  210. utu says:
    @Bliss

    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.
     
    That actually makes sense if you think about it. Just look at the greatest “Germans”, whose names will never be forgotten: Beethoven, Einstein, Marx. What did they have in common? They were all part african:

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lypdk5KnkH1qglqe6.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/03/16/4BCD9CDB00000578-5687445-A_16_year_old_Albert_Einstein_in_1895-a-64_1525359896736.jpg

    https://i1.wp.com/thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/le_jeune_karl_marx_01-copy.jpeg?fit=440%2C476&ssl=1

    Actually Beethoven, Einstein and Marx were all women who had to pretend to be men to make careers in man dominated society.

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  211. Talha says:
    @Dmitry

    Smart move. They are doing it to protect themselves from the wrath of the Russian hooligans.

    Of course, because they are so relieved the danger has passed. They are thinking the hooligans will have no reason to attack them now.
     

    Just important tourists, and not English hooligans- they won't be in fear of anything.

    English media will make their hooligans scared soon probably even of the teenage girls


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNMHQoiVKI


    Although the girls are a little scary


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mleyRSJiMcQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP4W9aKMBRM

    Wow…female Droogs – impressive trajectory post-modern man is taking. Certainly throwing the old dystopian writers for a spin.

    Peace.

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    Girls copying fashions from Vine

    Guys made flying punch popular

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eiY6n0llMk


    And so girls weakly copied it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BoNqjmOe1k

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  212. Yevardian says:
    @songbird
    I agree with all points, except one: when the Tsarnaev brothers bombed the the crowds at the Boston Marathon, there were only about 100 Chechens in America. 2/100! I think Chechens might be worse than blacks - if not in all things, at least in violence.

    If they actually did it. A lot of that affair didn’t make much sense.

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  213. AaronB says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    What work is needed to smooth out my rough edges?

    I am going to take over this world.

    And I want your assistance in this project.

    And conquer you shall! The world is ripe for the taking.

    What work is needed to smooth out my rough edges?

    You do not sufficiently appreciate the moral level – you are harsh. Not enough love.

    And I want your assistance in this project

    Will I never be free to retire to my mountain hut?

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    And conquer you shall!
     
    Pffffsshshshsh; the guy probably has both eyes intact - no sale!!!

    Peace.

    , @Thorfinnsson


    You do not sufficiently appreciate the moral level – you are harsh. Not enough love.
     
    Isn't that what I'm paying you for?

    What am I even getting for my money?

    These people...
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  214. Talha says:
    @AaronB
    And conquer you shall! The world is ripe for the taking.

    What work is needed to smooth out my rough edges?
     
    You do not sufficiently appreciate the moral level - you are harsh. Not enough love.

    And I want your assistance in this project
     
    Will I never be free to retire to my mountain hut?

    And conquer you shall!

    Pffffsshshshsh; the guy probably has both eyes intact – no sale!!!

    Peace.

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    No? Well, I'm not sure.

    The man seems more connected to his emotions than many. That is power.
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  215. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    And conquer you shall!
     
    Pffffsshshshsh; the guy probably has both eyes intact - no sale!!!

    Peace.

    No? Well, I’m not sure.

    The man seems more connected to his emotions than many. That is power.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    It was a joke about Dajjal, sorry it was too cryptic.

    When Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) was passing away on his death bed, he made sure the Ummah would not put his son, Abdullah Ibn Umar (ra) a wise and capable young man, in power after him, saying; it is enough that the family of Khattab has borne this burden once.

    That is power; to have conquered half of Byzantium and all of Persia and not care.

    Peace.

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  216. AP says:
    @Bliss

    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.
     
    That actually makes sense if you think about it. Just look at the greatest “Germans”, whose names will never be forgotten: Beethoven, Einstein, Marx. What did they have in common? They were all part african:

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lypdk5KnkH1qglqe6.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/03/16/4BCD9CDB00000578-5687445-A_16_year_old_Albert_Einstein_in_1895-a-64_1525359896736.jpg

    https://i1.wp.com/thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/le_jeune_karl_marx_01-copy.jpeg?fit=440%2C476&ssl=1

    Don’t forget other Africans, like Jerry Seinfeld:

    Emperor Hirohito of Japan:

    Rose McGowan:

    Etc.

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    One of the war aims of Japan was to conquer the rich watermelon-growing land of SE Asia.
    , @Mr. Hack
    Woody Allen's Zelig did a fine transformation (chameleon like) when in the company of a New Orleans jazz band. :-)
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  217. Talha says:
    @AaronB
    No? Well, I'm not sure.

    The man seems more connected to his emotions than many. That is power.

    It was a joke about Dajjal, sorry it was too cryptic.

    When Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) was passing away on his death bed, he made sure the Ummah would not put his son, Abdullah Ibn Umar (ra) a wise and capable young man, in power after him, saying; it is enough that the family of Khattab has borne this burden once.

    That is power; to have conquered half of Byzantium and all of Persia and not care.

    Peace.

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    I apologize Talha! I do not know about Dajjall, would you care to explain?

    I always value your comments.

    , @AaronB
    Ah, thanks for the explanation.

    I very much agree.
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  218. AaronB says:
    @Talha
    It was a joke about Dajjal, sorry it was too cryptic.

    When Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) was passing away on his death bed, he made sure the Ummah would not put his son, Abdullah Ibn Umar (ra) a wise and capable young man, in power after him, saying; it is enough that the family of Khattab has borne this burden once.

    That is power; to have conquered half of Byzantium and all of Persia and not care.

    Peace.

    I apologize Talha! I do not know about Dajjall, would you care to explain?

    I always value your comments.

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    In short; the Dajjal is the Anti-Christ - he will have one good eye and be blind in the other. He will be allowed sovereignty over much of the world - he will be the epitome of materialist-minded "will to power" the personification of the ultimate Pharoanic god-emperor system. It's Islamic eschatology; again, apologies for being cryptic.

    One thing that is interesting is that our community has kept this quite alive; we teach our children about him, we ask God for refuge from the trials he will bring. Many, many will lose faith. I wonder if Christians still teach their children about him or if he is considered like Santa Claus...it is mentioned that he will manifest when people stop warning each other about him.

    Peace.
    , @Talha
    I was recently about Dajjal when I saw a trailer for something pop up on YouTube for something on Jack Parsons (arguably one of the most important rocket scientists ever). Possible that space flight (and thus satellite communication) would not have been possible without his work.

    http://www.indiewire.com/2018/06/strange-angel-cbs-review-jack-parsons-sex-cult-1201974757/

    He was an adept of Alister Crowley and claimed association with an entity that had visited him calling itself Belarion Dajjal and that he was doing work on its behalf.

    The rabbit hole goes deep my friend...this is beyond red pill...

    Peace.
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  219. AaronB says:
    @Talha
    It was a joke about Dajjal, sorry it was too cryptic.

    When Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) was passing away on his death bed, he made sure the Ummah would not put his son, Abdullah Ibn Umar (ra) a wise and capable young man, in power after him, saying; it is enough that the family of Khattab has borne this burden once.

    That is power; to have conquered half of Byzantium and all of Persia and not care.

    Peace.

    Ah, thanks for the explanation.

    I very much agree.

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  220. Talha says:
    @AaronB
    I apologize Talha! I do not know about Dajjall, would you care to explain?

    I always value your comments.

    In short; the Dajjal is the Anti-Christ – he will have one good eye and be blind in the other. He will be allowed sovereignty over much of the world – he will be the epitome of materialist-minded “will to power” the personification of the ultimate Pharoanic god-emperor system. It’s Islamic eschatology; again, apologies for being cryptic.

    One thing that is interesting is that our community has kept this quite alive; we teach our children about him, we ask God for refuge from the trials he will bring. Many, many will lose faith. I wonder if Christians still teach their children about him or if he is considered like Santa Claus…it is mentioned that he will manifest when people stop warning each other about him.

    Peace.

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  221. Talha says:
    @AaronB
    I apologize Talha! I do not know about Dajjall, would you care to explain?

    I always value your comments.

    I was recently about Dajjal when I saw a trailer for something pop up on YouTube for something on Jack Parsons (arguably one of the most important rocket scientists ever). Possible that space flight (and thus satellite communication) would not have been possible without his work.

    http://www.indiewire.com/2018/06/strange-angel-cbs-review-jack-parsons-sex-cult-1201974757/

    He was an adept of Alister Crowley and claimed association with an entity that had visited him calling itself Belarion Dajjal and that he was doing work on its behalf.

    The rabbit hole goes deep my friend…this is beyond red pill…

    Peace.

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    Crazy stuff.

    I think all science depends on some kind of connection to the supernatural, and that science is stagnating now because we've become complete materialists. We all know Newton was a great mystic and Copernicus was inspired by the divinity of the sun.

    The Great Age of science was when Europe was still religious but growing more materialistic every day. So there was this kind of fragile balance between the supernatural and the material. But it was a process - it wasn't a stable point - and every decade brought us closer and closer to pure materialism.

    Eventually this process ended today in pure materialism, which spelled the end of science as the connection to supernatural inspiration was finally completely cut off.

    Parsons may well have been inspired by done maleific entity, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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  222. @Thorfinnsson


    However, we can’t exclude that Russia will fail to beat laughably weak Egypt and/or Saudi Arabia.
     
    As it happens Russia is absolutely clobbering Saudi Arabia--up 3-0.

    Iceland's first match is against Argentina on Saturday.

    Russia has a good chance to advance to the second round (16 teams) because of the lopsided score against the headchoppers. If Russia ends up tied with Uruguay or Egypt for that second spot out of the Group, Russia would probably win the goal-differential tiebreaker.

    Good start to the Cup today.

    Now for Germany defeating Mexico on Sunday morning :)

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  223. @Bliss

    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.
     
    That actually makes sense if you think about it. Just look at the greatest “Germans”, whose names will never be forgotten: Beethoven, Einstein, Marx. What did they have in common? They were all part african:

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lypdk5KnkH1qglqe6.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/03/16/4BCD9CDB00000578-5687445-A_16_year_old_Albert_Einstein_in_1895-a-64_1525359896736.jpg

    https://i1.wp.com/thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/le_jeune_karl_marx_01-copy.jpeg?fit=440%2C476&ssl=1

    I now understand that you’r joshing us with your we wuz kangz posts.

    That said I can’t resist.

    We wuz Junkerz ‘n sheet :)

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  224. @Bliss

    They should also be informed about IQ.
     
    But, but, if Russian women are told to seek out mates based on IQ wouldn’t that leave Russian men handicapped? After all in the IQ rankings:

    Jews > East Asians > West Europeans > Slavs

    Specifically only Ashkenazi Jews, and they don’t have an IQ of 115. More like 108. Comparable to Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Lutherans in America. Ron Unz has also documented a collapse in Jewish academic performance.

    As for Songbird you’re sandbagging him.

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  225. @AaronB
    And conquer you shall! The world is ripe for the taking.

    What work is needed to smooth out my rough edges?
     
    You do not sufficiently appreciate the moral level - you are harsh. Not enough love.

    And I want your assistance in this project
     
    Will I never be free to retire to my mountain hut?

    You do not sufficiently appreciate the moral level – you are harsh. Not enough love.

    Isn’t that what I’m paying you for?

    What am I even getting for my money?

    These people…

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  226. songbird says:
    @AP
    Don't forget other Africans, like Jerry Seinfeld:

    http://moveablefest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DyingLaughingJerrySeinfeld.jpg

    Emperor Hirohito of Japan:

    https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/v1492196419/cheats/2014/09/09/emperor-warned-against-u-s-wwii-attack/140909-emperor-hirohito-cheat_dfsehs.jpg

    Rose McGowan:

    https://www.billboard.com/files/media/rose-mcgowan-june-2-2018-billboard-1548.jpg

    Etc.

    One of the war aims of Japan was to conquer the rich watermelon-growing land of SE Asia.

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  227. Soccer is a game for pansies. Russians are a tough and manly people. They shouldn’t even be playing this game. English Rugby perhaps, American Gridiron or Australian Rules Football would be much better suited to them.

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    I beg to differ.
    One aspect of being tough and manly is not giving a hoot about what others think of you, and that more or less includes your choice of sport. It seems to me that the Russians, tough/manly or otherwise, don't seem to be hampered by the notion you describe. (that is, if such a notion exists in Russia like it does in the US, Canada or Australia) So unless I'm mistaken, there's little to no need to fix something that isn't broken.
    My two rubles worth.
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  228. @Beckow

    It’d be better if he built roads
     
    Yes, and upgrade the Budapest subway. I am not a big fan of military spending. It is mostly pure waste and silly posturing. One can see it as entertainment and sometimes I do, but people get hurt. For Russia having nuclear weapons seems sufficient. I agree it helps with technology.

    My basic point is that we have become too obsessed with managing down, with foregoing experiences because of the so-called 'cost'. Having Olympics, World Cups, decent trains and airports is better for the economy than the endless public and private activities that we currently eagerly sponsor. More cheap crap imported in a container from Asia? Woopie, more the better, it 'increases GNP'. But spending money on local activities, sports, culture, infrastructure is often described as waste. We have it upside down. We are not using the incredible possibilities that our very efficient societies with enough material goods to go around would allow us to do. And in that respect Russia mimics West and both are wrong.

    I strongly disagree about the military. The military is something like an insurance: it’s rarely needed, but the consequences of not having it could be catastrophic. I also don’t understand how building stadiums could be more (as opposed to less) useful than developing your military. The military could at least conceivably be useful. Stadiums are entertainment only.

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    Well, I didn't say no military spending. But there should be a limit, beyond certain point it is just a show. With nukes that limit is relatively low.

    I have a weak spot for entertainment and comfortable architecture. It has an immediate impact. Most gadgets are junk, we produce too much of it - and military spending produces a lot of material gadgets. None of that lasts. My country is about tp spend 2.6 billion euros for 14 fighter planes - about 500 Euros per taxpayer. Plus the annual maintenance and training for decades. We can't fly them too much at home because they are noisy and scare cattle. This happens all the time - nobody thinks it through and does the numbers. The planes cannot be used to stop the migrants marching into Europe, our only real threat.
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  229. @Dmitry

    As others have pointed out, domestic tourism is also worth a lot, if it’s money otherwise spent abroad. Basically like import substitution. Instead of going to a Turkish resort, those very same tourists are now traveling to Sochi instead: it’s a huge win for Russia.
     
    It's mainly not substitution for foreign holidays - I don't know anyone who substitutes a foreign trip by going to Sochi.

    For example, Turkey and Sochi are not a typical substitute (it is a lot cheaper to go on holiday in Turkey).

    Likewise, people like certain state workers are not usually going on foreign holidays.

    As for domestic tourism contributing to the economy. I would like to see a paper showing evidence of this. It contributes to regional economy, but not to the national one.

    From a national economic perspective (as opposed to local economic perspective) the important thing is to get foreign tourists (carrying foreign money) to visit, as this boosts countries' exports category.

    The secret will be increasing the foreign tourists.

    From a local economic perspective, surely the local authorities are happy when money moves in some domestic travel from one part of a country to another part. But if local skiers go to Sochi, instead of Dombai - this does not create an economic benefit on a national level, but only a regional one.

    Domestic tourism is useful economic activity, like producing cars and then selling them for your own population. Why do you only consider exports to be valuable economic activity? I don’t get it.

    I’m also unconvinced that the people traveling there would’ve only chosen domestic destinations or they wouldn’t have traveled at all. I think it’s very likely that those visiting Sochi would’ve gone abroad instead, so it’s probably a net positive for the Russian balance of payments.

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    Domestic tourism is useful economic activity, like producing cars and then selling them for your own population. Why do you only consider exports to be valuable economic activity? I don’t get it.

     

    It's the same economic fallacy as people who say "New Year's expenses are helping the economy". If the money spent on a holiday was not spent on that consumption, then it would be spent on another consumption in the same economy, or available to the same economy as savings/investments.

    I doubt there is any paper which finds any connection between domestic tourism and economic growth on a national (as opposed to regional level), except through the import substitution mechanism you mention (where people are substituting foreign holidays for a domestic holiday).

    There are papers arguing for connection between foreign tourist arrivals and economic growth.


    I’m also unconvinced that the people traveling there would’ve only chosen domestic destinations or they wouldn’t have traveled at all. I think it’s very likely that those visiting Sochi would’ve gone abroad instead, so it’s probably a net positive for the Russian balance of payments.
     
    For a proportion of the visits, it may be substituting (for example, they have some luxury things in Krasnaya Polyana which can substitute for the Alps resorts in Switzerland/Austria/France).

    But the majority of the visits will surely not be substituting for a foreign holiday.

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  230. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    but I can’t hate someone who seems like he doesn’t actually believe in anything
     
    .

    You would think, right? And yet I have found that the most polarizing attitude I can take is this kind of "indifference". I find people get furious at me for it!

    I would expect people to have your reaction - that's natural. But somehow not taking "the world" seriously seems to seriously piss people off.

    I think it gets to the root of metaphysics - "realists" are infuriated by idealists.

    Its not that I don't believe in anything - I believe in Nothing.

    People dislike your comments because you come across as a pompous windbag. Some people are more invested in this online thing than others and don’t realize that to a large extent one can separate real people from personae.

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    I consider that a symptom of the general collapse in European ability to think complexly.

    They can't distinguish the person from his personae, no sense of humor, can't understand how humor can be deadly serious, no elan, etc.

    I don't like Nietzsche, but I understand his exasperation with his contemporaries now.
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  231. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor
    Domestic tourism is useful economic activity, like producing cars and then selling them for your own population. Why do you only consider exports to be valuable economic activity? I don't get it.

    I'm also unconvinced that the people traveling there would've only chosen domestic destinations or they wouldn't have traveled at all. I think it's very likely that those visiting Sochi would've gone abroad instead, so it's probably a net positive for the Russian balance of payments.

    Domestic tourism is useful economic activity, like producing cars and then selling them for your own population. Why do you only consider exports to be valuable economic activity? I don’t get it.

    It’s the same economic fallacy as people who say “New Year’s expenses are helping the economy”. If the money spent on a holiday was not spent on that consumption, then it would be spent on another consumption in the same economy, or available to the same economy as savings/investments.

    I doubt there is any paper which finds any connection between domestic tourism and economic growth on a national (as opposed to regional level), except through the import substitution mechanism you mention (where people are substituting foreign holidays for a domestic holiday).

    There are papers arguing for connection between foreign tourist arrivals and economic growth.

    I’m also unconvinced that the people traveling there would’ve only chosen domestic destinations or they wouldn’t have traveled at all. I think it’s very likely that those visiting Sochi would’ve gone abroad instead, so it’s probably a net positive for the Russian balance of payments.

    For a proportion of the visits, it may be substituting (for example, they have some luxury things in Krasnaya Polyana which can substitute for the Alps resorts in Switzerland/Austria/France).

    But the majority of the visits will surely not be substituting for a foreign holiday.

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    If the money spent on a holiday was not spent on that consumption, then it would be spent on another consumption in the same economy
     
    So it's worthless to develop a car industry, if it will only be producing for the domestic market?

    But the majority of the visits will surely not be substituting for a foreign holiday.
     
    Instead? Would they be traveling inside Russia? Where? Is there a similar destination with similar weather within Russia? (Maybe Crimea in the summer. But it's not yet as developed. Are there similarly developed skiing destinations in Russia?) Or are you proposing these people would not be traveling anywhere?

    I get the impression that most people traveling there would be traveling abroad, simply because there's no similar destination within Russia at all.
    , @Philip Owen
    Velocity of circulation also matters. More activity more circulation and not every trip to Sochi will be substitution. It has created new capacity in the conference industry for example. It has excellent air connections and a warm winter climate. To think that only foreign earnings (get the gold) are good is mercantilism. When the British, with starving horses, paid in gold for French wheat during the Napoleonic wars who had the biggest benefit? The British averting famine or the French stacking up uneatable gold.

    Foreign trade deficits mean your population has a better living standard than it would with a surplus. Trump doesn't understand this. He serves narrow producer interests not the wider population. Keeping Harlan county going 6 more years doesn't solve the problem of a dead coalfield. I am writing this in South Wales. We are glad the collieries have almost gone.
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  232. Dmitry says:

    Watching (on television) Egypt vs Uruguay in Ekaterinburg Arena.

    It’s disappointing there many empty seats on the front of the grass . There must be something wrong with the tickets distribution? Everyone prepares for this event for so long. There was a huge online queue to buy the tickets, which sold out. (And all on the temporary seats they built in the sky are looking full).

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  233. AaronB with his idiotic comments (I’m unsure if he thinks they are profound or just made in jest, but I don’t care) simply disrupts communication, and it’s annoying. His comments about “spirituality” are very similar to what one can read on any stupid postmodern esoteric website with empty phrases like “as sparks from the divine flame, we are all destined for greatness.” He reminds of the “spiritual” people I knew while at university, reading horoscopes, esoteric books, etc., all the while being hedonistic (i.e. drinking, doing drugs, and f*cking) all the same.

    Anyway, the main point is that commenting here is both a pastime and a venue of communication with likeminded people, and his trolling us with his empty and meaningless comments is just annoying.

    one can separate real people from personae

    I understand that in person he might be nice company, but I find it unlikely. He’s either at least somewhat serious (in which case he’s more or less a windbag, as you put it), or he’s just fully trolling, and I’m having a hard time imagining what kind of person would find such an empty entertainment as trolling like this on such a website. Besides, I don’t really care what kind of person he is. I just find his comments annoying, that’s it.

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    He reminds of the “spiritual” people I knew while at university, reading horoscopes, esoteric books, etc., all the while being hedonistic (i.e. drinking, doing drugs, and f*cking) all the same.
     
    I cannot speak to AaronB in this vein, but mark my words; historically, without a legal framework like the Shariah (or equivalent non-Muslim one) to keep it in check, mysticism leads to the poz (or it’s historical equivalent)...always.

    Peace.
    , @AaronB

    I just find his comments annoying, that’s it
     
    You have no idea how well this speaks for you. Vital signs are not dead.
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  234. @Dmitry

    Domestic tourism is useful economic activity, like producing cars and then selling them for your own population. Why do you only consider exports to be valuable economic activity? I don’t get it.

     

    It's the same economic fallacy as people who say "New Year's expenses are helping the economy". If the money spent on a holiday was not spent on that consumption, then it would be spent on another consumption in the same economy, or available to the same economy as savings/investments.

    I doubt there is any paper which finds any connection between domestic tourism and economic growth on a national (as opposed to regional level), except through the import substitution mechanism you mention (where people are substituting foreign holidays for a domestic holiday).

    There are papers arguing for connection between foreign tourist arrivals and economic growth.


    I’m also unconvinced that the people traveling there would’ve only chosen domestic destinations or they wouldn’t have traveled at all. I think it’s very likely that those visiting Sochi would’ve gone abroad instead, so it’s probably a net positive for the Russian balance of payments.
     
    For a proportion of the visits, it may be substituting (for example, they have some luxury things in Krasnaya Polyana which can substitute for the Alps resorts in Switzerland/Austria/France).

    But the majority of the visits will surely not be substituting for a foreign holiday.

    If the money spent on a holiday was not spent on that consumption, then it would be spent on another consumption in the same economy

    So it’s worthless to develop a car industry, if it will only be producing for the domestic market?

    But the majority of the visits will surely not be substituting for a foreign holiday.

    Instead? Would they be traveling inside Russia? Where? Is there a similar destination with similar weather within Russia? (Maybe Crimea in the summer. But it’s not yet as developed. Are there similarly developed skiing destinations in Russia?) Or are you proposing these people would not be traveling anywhere?

    I get the impression that most people traveling there would be traveling abroad, simply because there’s no similar destination within Russia at all.

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    So it’s worthless to develop a car industry, if it will only be producing for the domestic market?

     

    We could all go to the neighbouring city next week, live and spend there, instead of here. It will make the neighbouring city richer, but not the country, as the money spent there will not be spent here.

    If you show a paper linking domestic tourism with economic growth, I would be corrected. I'm not an economist (although I know and can ask a professional economist this question).

    The only mechanism though that makes sense logically here is the import substitution one.

    Instead? Would they be traveling inside Russia? Where? Is there a similar destination with similar weather within Russia? (Maybe Crimea in the summer. But it’s not yet as developed. Are there similarly developed skiing destinations in Russia?) Or are you proposing these people would not be traveling anywhere?

    I get the impression that most people traveling there would be traveling abroad, simply because there’s no similar destination within Russia at all.
     
    There's a lot of nice tourist resorts in the summer, even in the Urals for example, there are beautiful lakes with pebbly beaches.

    And there are around 2 million state employees who come under the ban in travelling abroad, so they have to go somewhere.

    Sochi is becoming a little expensive and fashionable though, with luxury restaurants - so in some sense it is a unique holiday resort.

    But I don't think many people would substitute e.g. a holiday in Thailand, or in Europe, or even in Turkey, for Sochi.

    Imagine you are interested in seeing Sochi, but you would not substitute a visit Cuba or Thailand, for that.

    The only reason foreign travel fell in the last period was the economic recession and the devaluation of currency.
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  235. Dmitry says:
    @Talha
    Wow...female Droogs - impressive trajectory post-modern man is taking. Certainly throwing the old dystopian writers for a spin.

    Peace.

    Girls copying fashions from Vine

    Guys made flying punch popular

    And so girls weakly copied it

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    Equal jack-assery of the sexes I guess...where are these girls’ fathers?

    So is this a thing now? Random street fights for no reason? Like eating Tide pods?

    I guess dentists are happily keeping busy.

    Peace.

    , @Greasy William
    are those videos real?

    if so, 2 things:

    1. Russian guys can't fight for shit. This fits with my experience sparring with Russian guys back when I used to box. Russians aren't fast, they don't hit hard and they aren't very physically strong. They look the part and are fearless, but, with some exceptions, they can't actually fight. This would explain why "Russian" boxing and MMA are dominated by Chechens. In fact, I am going to fly to Moscow and find a bar where Spetsnaz hang out and tell them what I think about their people's hand to hand combat abilities.

    2. Watching girls try to fight is the most pathetic thing ever. They look like they are moving under water and they have all the coordination of a baby deer. Stick to the kitchen and the bedroom, ladies. You are good for nothing else.
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  236. Talha says:
    @Dmitry
    Girls copying fashions from Vine

    Guys made flying punch popular

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eiY6n0llMk


    And so girls weakly copied it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BoNqjmOe1k

    Equal jack-assery of the sexes I guess…where are these girls’ fathers?

    So is this a thing now? Random street fights for no reason? Like eating Tide pods?

    I guess dentists are happily keeping busy.

    Peace.

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    It's a hobby for fans, like a weekly exercise for them - for people which enjoy being kicked on the head and dropped in the hospital.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvgnUW0lfzg

    , @Daniel Chieh
    No, there's always a reason to want to kick someone's head in. If you haven't found the reason, you need to drink more. The reason will soon arise.
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  237. @Dmitry
    Girls copying fashions from Vine

    Guys made flying punch popular

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eiY6n0llMk


    And so girls weakly copied it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BoNqjmOe1k

    are those videos real?

    if so, 2 things:

    1. Russian guys can’t fight for shit. This fits with my experience sparring with Russian guys back when I used to box. Russians aren’t fast, they don’t hit hard and they aren’t very physically strong. They look the part and are fearless, but, with some exceptions, they can’t actually fight. This would explain why “Russian” boxing and MMA are dominated by Chechens. In fact, I am going to fly to Moscow and find a bar where Spetsnaz hang out and tell them what I think about their people’s hand to hand combat abilities.

    2. Watching girls try to fight is the most pathetic thing ever. They look like they are moving under water and they have all the coordination of a baby deer. Stick to the kitchen and the bedroom, ladies. You are good for nothing else.

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    You venture to insult customs and traditions
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlE-V-_ixwc
    , @DNC
    1 sounded wrong so I glanced at Boxrec. In heavyweight top 10, Povetkin and Tony Bellew are the only 2 white guys; in cruiserweight there's Lebedev and Vlasov in the top 10; in light heavyweight there's Kovalev in the 10 and Mikhalkin just outside of it. Several Ukrainians as well.

    Can't argue with MMA, although it might be due to it being centred primarily in US. They haven't had a white heavyweight champ for years anyways until a Croat stepped up.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    In fact, I am going to fly to Moscow and find a bar where Spetsnaz hang out and tell them what I think about their people’s hand to hand combat abilities.
     
    field report plz
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  238. Talha says:
    @reiner Tor
    AaronB with his idiotic comments (I'm unsure if he thinks they are profound or just made in jest, but I don't care) simply disrupts communication, and it's annoying. His comments about "spirituality" are very similar to what one can read on any stupid postmodern esoteric website with empty phrases like "as sparks from the divine flame, we are all destined for greatness." He reminds of the "spiritual" people I knew while at university, reading horoscopes, esoteric books, etc., all the while being hedonistic (i.e. drinking, doing drugs, and f*cking) all the same.

    Anyway, the main point is that commenting here is both a pastime and a venue of communication with likeminded people, and his trolling us with his empty and meaningless comments is just annoying.

    one can separate real people from personae
     
    I understand that in person he might be nice company, but I find it unlikely. He's either at least somewhat serious (in which case he's more or less a windbag, as you put it), or he's just fully trolling, and I'm having a hard time imagining what kind of person would find such an empty entertainment as trolling like this on such a website. Besides, I don't really care what kind of person he is. I just find his comments annoying, that's it.

    He reminds of the “spiritual” people I knew while at university, reading horoscopes, esoteric books, etc., all the while being hedonistic (i.e. drinking, doing drugs, and f*cking) all the same.

    I cannot speak to AaronB in this vein, but mark my words; historically, without a legal framework like the Shariah (or equivalent non-Muslim one) to keep it in check, mysticism leads to the poz (or it’s historical equivalent)…always.

    Peace.

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    A point I recently made in another thread. The poz is just religious ideals without the supernatural element - applied to this world rather than the next.

    That's why the poz is literally inevitable in every society that goes secular. Period.

    Which actually suggests that religious ideals are universally felt as correct by everyone, and if they cannot apply them supernaturally, they will seek to apply them in this world, without understanding what they are doing.
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  239. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    If the money spent on a holiday was not spent on that consumption, then it would be spent on another consumption in the same economy
     
    So it's worthless to develop a car industry, if it will only be producing for the domestic market?

    But the majority of the visits will surely not be substituting for a foreign holiday.
     
    Instead? Would they be traveling inside Russia? Where? Is there a similar destination with similar weather within Russia? (Maybe Crimea in the summer. But it's not yet as developed. Are there similarly developed skiing destinations in Russia?) Or are you proposing these people would not be traveling anywhere?

    I get the impression that most people traveling there would be traveling abroad, simply because there's no similar destination within Russia at all.

    So it’s worthless to develop a car industry, if it will only be producing for the domestic market?

    We could all go to the neighbouring city next week, live and spend there, instead of here. It will make the neighbouring city richer, but not the country, as the money spent there will not be spent here.

    If you show a paper linking domestic tourism with economic growth, I would be corrected. I’m not an economist (although I know and can ask a professional economist this question).

    The only mechanism though that makes sense logically here is the import substitution one.

    Instead? Would they be traveling inside Russia? Where? Is there a similar destination with similar weather within Russia? (Maybe Crimea in the summer. But it’s not yet as developed. Are there similarly developed skiing destinations in Russia?) Or are you proposing these people would not be traveling anywhere?

    I get the impression that most people traveling there would be traveling abroad, simply because there’s no similar destination within Russia at all.

    There’s a lot of nice tourist resorts in the summer, even in the Urals for example, there are beautiful lakes with pebbly beaches.

    And there are around 2 million state employees who come under the ban in travelling abroad, so they have to go somewhere.

    Sochi is becoming a little expensive and fashionable though, with luxury restaurants – so in some sense it is a unique holiday resort.

    But I don’t think many people would substitute e.g. a holiday in Thailand, or in Europe, or even in Turkey, for Sochi.

    Imagine you are interested in seeing Sochi, but you would not substitute a visit Cuba or Thailand, for that.

    The only reason foreign travel fell in the last period was the economic recession and the devaluation of currency.

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  240. Dmitry says:
    @Talha
    Equal jack-assery of the sexes I guess...where are these girls’ fathers?

    So is this a thing now? Random street fights for no reason? Like eating Tide pods?

    I guess dentists are happily keeping busy.

    Peace.

    It’s a hobby for fans, like a weekly exercise for them – for people which enjoy being kicked on the head and dropped in the hospital.

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    Everyone has to have a hobby, I guess. If you like getting your teeth kicked in, it sounds like the thing to do? Did this all start with Fight Club?

    Peace.
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  241. Pericles says:
    @AaronB
    I think the Revolution needs something like the 60s idea of never trust anyone over 30.

    The Old Guard will always try and squash fresh ideas and will angrily lash out at anyone trying to chart a new course. The Old Guard is always rigid, bitter, resentful.

    I find it significant that that the relatively young Thorfinsson and Polish Perspective showed the merest smidgen of sympathy for my ideas - although they obviously dislike me and disagree with much of what I say. Still they have the flexibility to adapt, which means survival.

    The Old Guard of aged men is frantically trying to crush any fresh idea and double down on the old ones - they cannot accept that these ideas have failed, because these ideas have become their identity. No one wants to accept their identity has failed. It is understandable but dead wood must be cut loose.

    Failed people will try their best to make others fail - this is a well known phenomena. The guy who starts getting good with girls suddenly finds that his old friends try bitterly to make him fail. Many of us have experienced this.

    The Old Guard of German Reader, Reiner Tor, utu, DFH - we must have sympathy for them and make their journey into that gentle night where their worn out hearts will find peace as painless as possible.

    The task for young whites is to grow strong and valiant, flexible and adaptive, open to fresh ideas and fearless, to cut out those elements of the Greek heritage that ends killing its host every time it is adopted like a cancer and perhaps rediscover that side of the Greek heritage that spells life and health, and to relearn basic truths from Asians, Muslims, Jews, and Russians - and be willing to learn from anyone anywhere anytime.

    The task for young whites is to grow strong and valiant, flexible and adaptive, open to fresh ideas and fearless, to cut out those elements of the Greek heritage that ends killing its host every time it is adopted like a cancer and perhaps rediscover that side of the Greek heritage that spells life and health, and to relearn basic truths from Asians, Muslims, Jews, and Russians – and be willing to learn from anyone anywhere anytime.

    Thanks but we’ve learned more than enough from the Jews already. Far more than was good for us.

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    Are you not embarrassed that I, a Jew, have to say these things while your own "leaders" like SteveSailerr are quietly telling you to accept Jewish superiority and that you can't change your situation?
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  242. Pericles says:
    @Dmitry

    Western media would use anything they can find to bash Russia anyway in the current climate, so you shouldn’t care. And that kind of thing certainly wouldn’t keep me from visiting Russia, it’s actually a bonus :-)

     

    That women of the country (of which there are many single, beautiful, slim ones), would not be allowed to have a relationship with you (if the old communist woman was dictator)?

    It's the worst anti-advertising for more indirect reasons as well, e.g. even for old female married tourists will not react positively to these kind of headlines.

    Anything that portrays hostility to foreigners, is the best way psychologically to create foreigners unconsciously hostile to you (even female married audiences will think more negatively reading this).

    Also think about why teenagers - recently millions of the teenage girls in Russia - are falling in love with Japanese and Korean culture. A lot of it is the teenagers unconsciously dreaming about having a Japanese/Korean girlfriend/boyfriend. It's all in a world of fantasy of course, e.g. what proportion of Japanese have relations with foreign tourists? (A larger proportion of Japanese are famous for having relations with no-one). But the Japanese/Koreans now benefit from the soft power over millions of young people.

    -

    As for the actual issue. Having something like actual sex tourism is bad for the country. The way to stop it is through legal legislation and economic success (e.g. no-one goes to rest in America for sex tourism).

    (e.g. no-one goes to rest in America for sex tourism).

    But why? They have Tinder!

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    The 58.8% obesity and overweight stat for women in the US might have something to do with that.
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  243. @Pericles

    (e.g. no-one goes to rest in America for sex tourism).

     

    But why? They have Tinder!

    The 58.8% obesity and overweight stat for women in the US might have something to do with that.

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    On my first (and so far only) visit to the USA I saw some people so obese that I almost thought someone must be feeding them for slaughter.
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  244. Talha says:
    @Dmitry
    It's a hobby for fans, like a weekly exercise for them - for people which enjoy being kicked on the head and dropped in the hospital.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvgnUW0lfzg

    Everyone has to have a hobby, I guess. If you like getting your teeth kicked in, it sounds like the thing to do? Did this all start with Fight Club?

    Peace.

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    It's a hobby of the stupider fans (football fans) - as in many countries. But at least they get eercise

    Here on the day of a football match:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZviQ489xHk

    , @ussr andy
    much older. it's called "stenka na stenku" ("wall on wall fighting") and there are actually rules (don't attack from behind, no kicks except to trip, no punches in the face etc)

    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стенка_на_стенку (no Eng)

    I think the prole variety emerged in schools in the 70s.
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  245. @Talha
    Equal jack-assery of the sexes I guess...where are these girls’ fathers?

    So is this a thing now? Random street fights for no reason? Like eating Tide pods?

    I guess dentists are happily keeping busy.

    Peace.

    No, there’s always a reason to want to kick someone’s head in. If you haven’t found the reason, you need to drink more. The reason will soon arise.

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    I’ve been sober all my life so I’ll have to take your word for it.

    I’m not against kicking in heads per se; it can be a highly meritorious act, rewarded by God in proper context.

    This is just knuckleheadery...but I’ve never had the pleasure of getting my head jumped on so maybe I just don’t know what I’m missing out on. Is money involved?

    Peace.
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  246. Dmitry says:
    @Greasy William
    are those videos real?

    if so, 2 things:

    1. Russian guys can't fight for shit. This fits with my experience sparring with Russian guys back when I used to box. Russians aren't fast, they don't hit hard and they aren't very physically strong. They look the part and are fearless, but, with some exceptions, they can't actually fight. This would explain why "Russian" boxing and MMA are dominated by Chechens. In fact, I am going to fly to Moscow and find a bar where Spetsnaz hang out and tell them what I think about their people's hand to hand combat abilities.

    2. Watching girls try to fight is the most pathetic thing ever. They look like they are moving under water and they have all the coordination of a baby deer. Stick to the kitchen and the bedroom, ladies. You are good for nothing else.

    You venture to insult customs and traditions

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  247. @Daniel Chieh
    The 58.8% obesity and overweight stat for women in the US might have something to do with that.

    On my first (and so far only) visit to the USA I saw some people so obese that I almost thought someone must be feeding them for slaughter.

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    It used to be those specimens were uniquely American -- I can remember as a child marvelling at a newspaper photo of an enormous Iowan mother-daughter farmer pair -- but nowadays there are plenty of blimps in Europe too. You seldom see any 400-pounders though.
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  248. AaronB says:
    @Anon
    People dislike your comments because you come across as a pompous windbag. Some people are more invested in this online thing than others and don't realize that to a large extent one can separate real people from personae.

    I consider that a symptom of the general collapse in European ability to think complexly.

    They can’t distinguish the person from his personae, no sense of humor, can’t understand how humor can be deadly serious, no elan, etc.

    I don’t like Nietzsche, but I understand his exasperation with his contemporaries now.

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  249. Dmitry says:
    @Talha
    Everyone has to have a hobby, I guess. If you like getting your teeth kicked in, it sounds like the thing to do? Did this all start with Fight Club?

    Peace.

    It’s a hobby of the stupider fans (football fans) – as in many countries. But at least they get eercise

    Here on the day of a football match:

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    But at least they get eercise
     
    *Exercise.
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  250. AaronB says:
    @Pericles


    The task for young whites is to grow strong and valiant, flexible and adaptive, open to fresh ideas and fearless, to cut out those elements of the Greek heritage that ends killing its host every time it is adopted like a cancer and perhaps rediscover that side of the Greek heritage that spells life and health, and to relearn basic truths from Asians, Muslims, Jews, and Russians – and be willing to learn from anyone anywhere anytime.

     

    Thanks but we've learned more than enough from the Jews already. Far more than was good for us.

    Are you not embarrassed that I, a Jew, have to say these things while your own “leaders” like SteveSailerr are quietly telling you to accept Jewish superiority and that you can’t change your situation?

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    Eh, as embarrassments go it's fairly negligible. I don't really buy your vision in the first place and Sailer is just fine as he is.

    However, even if you came across strongly as 'hello fellow whites' at the time, I did think this comment of yours was good (no. 39): http://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2327860

    But maybe that's the final lesson too.

    Feeling the quiet glow of spiritual leadership yet?

    , @RadicalCenter
    The Italian/Middle Eastern/Germanic-Slavic mutts calling themselves Ashkenazi Jews these days are indeed more intelligent on average than most other groups in the world in some measurable ways.

    See Jon Entine, Genetic Literacy Project, October 8, 2013 re the FORTY PERCENT Italian genetic contribution to the typical “Ashkenazi Jew” genome. (The Italian side of my family says “you’re welcome. We helped ameliorate (though clearly not CURE) your natural physical ugliness and the obvious medical and psychological problems that had arisen from your long term inbreeding of unattractive semites with too-closely-related unattractive semites.)

    But I’ve never taken Steve as advising the rest of us to continue enduring discrimination, dishonesty, political and media manipulation, and unfair market practices from that self-chosen group. Where does he say that?

    Luegenjude. (Almost as catchy as Fahrvergnuegen, but more serious.)

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  251. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry
    It's a hobby of the stupider fans (football fans) - as in many countries. But at least they get eercise

    Here on the day of a football match:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZviQ489xHk

    But at least they get eercise

    *Exercise.

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    do middle and upper class Russian guys get in a lot of fist fights when they are in high school? How many fights were you in when you were in high school?
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  252. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    He reminds of the “spiritual” people I knew while at university, reading horoscopes, esoteric books, etc., all the while being hedonistic (i.e. drinking, doing drugs, and f*cking) all the same.
     
    I cannot speak to AaronB in this vein, but mark my words; historically, without a legal framework like the Shariah (or equivalent non-Muslim one) to keep it in check, mysticism leads to the poz (or it’s historical equivalent)...always.

    Peace.

    A point I recently made in another thread. The poz is just religious ideals without the supernatural element – applied to this world rather than the next.

    That’s why the poz is literally inevitable in every society that goes secular. Period.

    Which actually suggests that religious ideals are universally felt as correct by everyone, and if they cannot apply them supernaturally, they will seek to apply them in this world, without understanding what they are doing.

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    That’s why the poz is literally inevitable in every society that goes secular. Period.
     
    Yeah, I don’t know how this is avoidable in the long run.

    The poz are absolutely filled with what one can parallel with religious fervor or zealotry.

    Peace.
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    But at least they get eercise
     
    *Exercise.

    do middle and upper class Russian guys get in a lot of fist fights when they are in high school? How many fights were you in when you were in high school?

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  254. Beckow says:
    @reiner Tor
    I strongly disagree about the military. The military is something like an insurance: it's rarely needed, but the consequences of not having it could be catastrophic. I also don't understand how building stadiums could be more (as opposed to less) useful than developing your military. The military could at least conceivably be useful. Stadiums are entertainment only.

    Well, I didn’t say no military spending. But there should be a limit, beyond certain point it is just a show. With nukes that limit is relatively low.

    I have a weak spot for entertainment and comfortable architecture. It has an immediate impact. Most gadgets are junk, we produce too much of it – and military spending produces a lot of material gadgets. None of that lasts. My country is about tp spend 2.6 billion euros for 14 fighter planes – about 500 Euros per taxpayer. Plus the annual maintenance and training for decades. We can’t fly them too much at home because they are noisy and scare cattle. This happens all the time – nobody thinks it through and does the numbers. The planes cannot be used to stop the migrants marching into Europe, our only real threat.

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  255. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    No, there's always a reason to want to kick someone's head in. If you haven't found the reason, you need to drink more. The reason will soon arise.

    I’ve been sober all my life so I’ll have to take your word for it.

    I’m not against kicking in heads per se; it can be a highly meritorious act, rewarded by God in proper context.

    This is just knuckleheadery…but I’ve never had the pleasure of getting my head jumped on so maybe I just don’t know what I’m missing out on. Is money involved?

    Peace.

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    Clearly you must drink more.
    , @Philip Owen
    I've had my head kicked. Dancehall fight. Not pleasant. 5 of them, 3 onto me, 2 onto my mate. I have no idea how I managed to stand up. They came back with even more after we left but we weren't taken by surprise that time. (much fitter, adrenaline). Police rescued us though.
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  256. @Talha
    I’ve been sober all my life so I’ll have to take your word for it.

    I’m not against kicking in heads per se; it can be a highly meritorious act, rewarded by God in proper context.

    This is just knuckleheadery...but I’ve never had the pleasure of getting my head jumped on so maybe I just don’t know what I’m missing out on. Is money involved?

    Peace.

    Clearly you must drink more.

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    LOL - “more” would imply I drink some. Maybe it’s all it’s hyped up to be. No clue, but I’ve never particularly cared. Now a fine ginger ale or root beer is definitely a weakness of mine.

    Apparently there will be plenty of wine to go around in the Afterlife (assuming one gets invited to the after party) - rivers of wine.

    Peace.
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  257. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP
    Don't forget other Africans, like Jerry Seinfeld:

    http://moveablefest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DyingLaughingJerrySeinfeld.jpg

    Emperor Hirohito of Japan:

    https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/v1492196419/cheats/2014/09/09/emperor-warned-against-u-s-wwii-attack/140909-emperor-hirohito-cheat_dfsehs.jpg

    Rose McGowan:

    https://www.billboard.com/files/media/rose-mcgowan-june-2-2018-billboard-1548.jpg

    Etc.

    Woody Allen’s Zelig did a fine transformation (chameleon like) when in the company of a New Orleans jazz band. :-)

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  258. DNC says:
    @Greasy William
    are those videos real?

    if so, 2 things:

    1. Russian guys can't fight for shit. This fits with my experience sparring with Russian guys back when I used to box. Russians aren't fast, they don't hit hard and they aren't very physically strong. They look the part and are fearless, but, with some exceptions, they can't actually fight. This would explain why "Russian" boxing and MMA are dominated by Chechens. In fact, I am going to fly to Moscow and find a bar where Spetsnaz hang out and tell them what I think about their people's hand to hand combat abilities.

    2. Watching girls try to fight is the most pathetic thing ever. They look like they are moving under water and they have all the coordination of a baby deer. Stick to the kitchen and the bedroom, ladies. You are good for nothing else.

    1 sounded wrong so I glanced at Boxrec. In heavyweight top 10, Povetkin and Tony Bellew are the only 2 white guys; in cruiserweight there’s Lebedev and Vlasov in the top 10; in light heavyweight there’s Kovalev in the 10 and Mikhalkin just outside of it. Several Ukrainians as well.

    Can’t argue with MMA, although it might be due to it being centred primarily in US. They haven’t had a white heavyweight champ for years anyways until a Croat stepped up.

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  259. Talha says:
    @AaronB
    A point I recently made in another thread. The poz is just religious ideals without the supernatural element - applied to this world rather than the next.

    That's why the poz is literally inevitable in every society that goes secular. Period.

    Which actually suggests that religious ideals are universally felt as correct by everyone, and if they cannot apply them supernaturally, they will seek to apply them in this world, without understanding what they are doing.

    That’s why the poz is literally inevitable in every society that goes secular. Period.

    Yeah, I don’t know how this is avoidable in the long run.

    The poz are absolutely filled with what one can parallel with religious fervor or zealotry.

    Peace.

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  260. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Clearly you must drink more.

    LOL – “more” would imply I drink some. Maybe it’s all it’s hyped up to be. No clue, but I’ve never particularly cared. Now a fine ginger ale or root beer is definitely a weakness of mine.

    Apparently there will be plenty of wine to go around in the Afterlife (assuming one gets invited to the after party) – rivers of wine.

    Peace.

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    Apparently there will be plenty of wine to go around in the Afterlife (assuming one gets invited to the after party) – rivers of wine.
     
    Do volcels get a lot of virgins in the Afterlife too?
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  261. @Talha
    LOL - “more” would imply I drink some. Maybe it’s all it’s hyped up to be. No clue, but I’ve never particularly cared. Now a fine ginger ale or root beer is definitely a weakness of mine.

    Apparently there will be plenty of wine to go around in the Afterlife (assuming one gets invited to the after party) - rivers of wine.

    Peace.

    Apparently there will be plenty of wine to go around in the Afterlife (assuming one gets invited to the after party) – rivers of wine.

    Do volcels get a lot of virgins in the Afterlife too?

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    Believing men (who make the cut) get a lot of houris. The numbers aren’t fixed because different hadith describe different numbers, but a lot. A lot.

    Of course, the believing women who make the cut will outshine them all in beauty and splendor:
    “The women of this world will have superiority over the hûrs (houris) just as the outer lining of a garment has superiority over the inner lining.” -reported in Imam Tabarani’s collection

    What you do with them is up to you; if you want to cuddle or bake cakes or play chess surrounded by beautiful female forms, well I guess that’s one’s prerogative.

    Lack of sexual desire maybe be an affliction or trial that is cured in the next life like depression or other mental or physical ailments.

    Peace.
    , @Talha
    You mentioned volcels, but I'm going to add something about icels (since that is kind of on people's radar right now).

    I am sometimes shocked at the men in the Muslim community that are able to find mates. These are are totally incel material (and some of them are my friends and fellow students of my spiritual teachers). They would never have a chance at finding mates in a normal one-on-one market; skinny, socially awkward, not very good looking, etc. These are not in the majority, but they are definitely there. But usually they are fairly good academically or making a good salary - basically serious nerds.

    And yet, somehow, they get hooked up for marriage (often with fairly good looking sisters - I don't really see what they look like, but I can often tell in their kids that the good looks do not come from the men).

    I think this has to do with the patriarchy that is still present, where the fathers convince their daughters to marry these guys or block them from marrying smooth-talking gigolos.

    Greasy, do you see the same thing in the Jewish community; because I see some of these guys walking around in my area of greater Chicago and they are monster magnets - oy vey!

    Peace.
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  262. Pericles says:
    @AaronB
    Are you not embarrassed that I, a Jew, have to say these things while your own "leaders" like SteveSailerr are quietly telling you to accept Jewish superiority and that you can't change your situation?

    Eh, as embarrassments go it’s fairly negligible. I don’t really buy your vision in the first place and Sailer is just fine as he is.

    However, even if you came across strongly as ‘hello fellow whites’ at the time, I did think this comment of yours was good (no. 39): http://www.unz.com/isteve/forward-is-jordan-peterson-enabling-jew-hatred/#comment-2327860

    But maybe that’s the final lesson too.

    Feeling the quiet glow of spiritual leadership yet?

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    I am glad you liked that comment! I think it contains a profound truth, one that goes to the very heart of what is killing the West today.
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  263. Talha says:
    @Hyperborean

    Apparently there will be plenty of wine to go around in the Afterlife (assuming one gets invited to the after party) – rivers of wine.
     
    Do volcels get a lot of virgins in the Afterlife too?

    Believing men (who make the cut) get a lot of houris. The numbers aren’t fixed because different hadith describe different numbers, but a lot. A lot.

    Of course, the believing women who make the cut will outshine them all in beauty and splendor:
    “The women of this world will have superiority over the hûrs (houris) just as the outer lining of a garment has superiority over the inner lining.” -reported in Imam Tabarani’s collection

    What you do with them is up to you; if you want to cuddle or bake cakes or play chess surrounded by beautiful female forms, well I guess that’s one’s prerogative.

    Lack of sexual desire maybe be an affliction or trial that is cured in the next life like depression or other mental or physical ailments.

    Peace.

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  264. Pericles says:
    @Hyperborean
    On my first (and so far only) visit to the USA I saw some people so obese that I almost thought someone must be feeding them for slaughter.

    It used to be those specimens were uniquely American — I can remember as a child marvelling at a newspaper photo of an enormous Iowan mother-daughter farmer pair — but nowadays there are plenty of blimps in Europe too. You seldom see any 400-pounders though.

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  265. ussr andy says:
    @Talha
    Everyone has to have a hobby, I guess. If you like getting your teeth kicked in, it sounds like the thing to do? Did this all start with Fight Club?

    Peace.

    much older. it’s called “stenka na stenku” (“wall on wall fighting”) and there are actually rules (don’t attack from behind, no kicks except to trip, no punches in the face etc)

    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стенка_на_стенку (no Eng)

    I think the prole variety emerged in schools in the 70s.

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    Thanks for the info. Still seems weird. Why not just take up boxing?

    Also, it reminds me of some of the videos of street battles between immigrant youths in parts of Paris and such but at least those guys were fighting over turf. What are these guys fighting over? I just don’t understand the incentive...

    Peace.
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  266. Talha says:
    @ussr andy
    much older. it's called "stenka na stenku" ("wall on wall fighting") and there are actually rules (don't attack from behind, no kicks except to trip, no punches in the face etc)

    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стенка_на_стенку (no Eng)

    I think the prole variety emerged in schools in the 70s.

    Thanks for the info. Still seems weird. Why not just take up boxing?

    Also, it reminds me of some of the videos of street battles between immigrant youths in parts of Paris and such but at least those guys were fighting over turf. What are these guys fighting over? I just don’t understand the incentive…

    Peace.

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    Have you never been in a fight? Its fun, especially if you're with a bunch of fellas. Its probably one of the most essentially tribal things of mankind.
    , @ussr andy
    might be a hold-over from simpler times when it was just guys from one village and it was in good humor...
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  267. @Talha
    Thanks for the info. Still seems weird. Why not just take up boxing?

    Also, it reminds me of some of the videos of street battles between immigrant youths in parts of Paris and such but at least those guys were fighting over turf. What are these guys fighting over? I just don’t understand the incentive...

    Peace.

    Have you never been in a fight? Its fun, especially if you’re with a bunch of fellas. Its probably one of the most essentially tribal things of mankind.

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    Not outside of sparring in Taekwondo - don't know if that counts. But I got my ribs kicked in pretty good once - two side kicks in the same exact spot. And my instructor was a very solidly built Syrian guy. I'm planning on joining my sons for BJJ in a bit also once my schedule allows for it.

    I have no clue if it's fun or not, but we have rules - you can't just beat up human beings for no reason - it's sinful behavior (especially if you are striking the face - you're supposed to avoid that even in combat). I don't make the rules; God tells you to treat person A well in one context - you do it - He tells you to kill same person A in another context - you do it.

    I'm not a pacifist - men should learn how to apply violence (this is an essential part of being male) in a disciplined form and use it in its proper context. As I've mentioned before; the warrior saint is an important part of our tradition; the third Caliph Ali (ra) - and to a lesser degree his uncle Hamza (ra) being the archetype of the 'faaris' (knight). He was known for his learning, wisdom, asceticism, generosity, tremendous spirituality and the ability to cleave a man nearly in half. There was a famous incident where he had outmatched an enemy on the battlefield and had him on the ground and was about to deliver the final blow and the man spat in his face and so Ali (ra) let him go and walked away. When he was asked about it, he stated; "When I was about to strike, I was killing him for the sake of God, but when he spat in my face, I was going to kill him for myself."

    Drunken brawls for bragging rights don't count. But to each his own.

    Peace.
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  268. ussr andy says:
    @Talha
    Thanks for the info. Still seems weird. Why not just take up boxing?

    Also, it reminds me of some of the videos of street battles between immigrant youths in parts of Paris and such but at least those guys were fighting over turf. What are these guys fighting over? I just don’t understand the incentive...

    Peace.

    might be a hold-over from simpler times when it was just guys from one village and it was in good humor…

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  269. @Greasy William
    are those videos real?

    if so, 2 things:

    1. Russian guys can't fight for shit. This fits with my experience sparring with Russian guys back when I used to box. Russians aren't fast, they don't hit hard and they aren't very physically strong. They look the part and are fearless, but, with some exceptions, they can't actually fight. This would explain why "Russian" boxing and MMA are dominated by Chechens. In fact, I am going to fly to Moscow and find a bar where Spetsnaz hang out and tell them what I think about their people's hand to hand combat abilities.

    2. Watching girls try to fight is the most pathetic thing ever. They look like they are moving under water and they have all the coordination of a baby deer. Stick to the kitchen and the bedroom, ladies. You are good for nothing else.

    In fact, I am going to fly to Moscow and find a bar where Spetsnaz hang out and tell them what I think about their people’s hand to hand combat abilities.

    field report plz

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    Yes please, assuming you can still type.

    Peace.
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  270. Talha says:
    @Hyperborean

    Apparently there will be plenty of wine to go around in the Afterlife (assuming one gets invited to the after party) – rivers of wine.
     
    Do volcels get a lot of virgins in the Afterlife too?

    You mentioned volcels, but I’m going to add something about icels (since that is kind of on people’s radar right now).

    I am sometimes shocked at the men in the Muslim community that are able to find mates. These are are totally incel material (and some of them are my friends and fellow students of my spiritual teachers). They would never have a chance at finding mates in a normal one-on-one market; skinny, socially awkward, not very good looking, etc. These are not in the majority, but they are definitely there. But usually they are fairly good academically or making a good salary – basically serious nerds.

    And yet, somehow, they get hooked up for marriage (often with fairly good looking sisters – I don’t really see what they look like, but I can often tell in their kids that the good looks do not come from the men).

    I think this has to do with the patriarchy that is still present, where the fathers convince their daughters to marry these guys or block them from marrying smooth-talking gigolos.

    Greasy, do you see the same thing in the Jewish community; because I see some of these guys walking around in my area of greater Chicago and they are monster magnets – oy vey!

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  271. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Have you never been in a fight? Its fun, especially if you're with a bunch of fellas. Its probably one of the most essentially tribal things of mankind.

    Not outside of sparring in Taekwondo – don’t know if that counts. But I got my ribs kicked in pretty good once – two side kicks in the same exact spot. And my instructor was a very solidly built Syrian guy. I’m planning on joining my sons for BJJ in a bit also once my schedule allows for it.

    I have no clue if it’s fun or not, but we have rules – you can’t just beat up human beings for no reason – it’s sinful behavior (especially if you are striking the face – you’re supposed to avoid that even in combat). I don’t make the rules; God tells you to treat person A well in one context – you do it – He tells you to kill same person A in another context – you do it.

    I’m not a pacifist – men should learn how to apply violence (this is an essential part of being male) in a disciplined form and use it in its proper context. As I’ve mentioned before; the warrior saint is an important part of our tradition; the third Caliph Ali (ra) – and to a lesser degree his uncle Hamza (ra) being the archetype of the ‘faaris’ (knight). He was known for his learning, wisdom, asceticism, generosity, tremendous spirituality and the ability to cleave a man nearly in half. There was a famous incident where he had outmatched an enemy on the battlefield and had him on the ground and was about to deliver the final blow and the man spat in his face and so Ali (ra) let him go and walked away. When he was asked about it, he stated; “When I was about to strike, I was killing him for the sake of God, but when he spat in my face, I was going to kill him for myself.”

    Drunken brawls for bragging rights don’t count. But to each his own.

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    I have no clue if it’s fun or not, but we have rules – you can’t just beat up human beings for no reason – it’s sinful behavior (especially if you are striking the face – you’re supposed to avoid that even in combat).
     
    Didn't Muhammad behead an entire tribe of Jews once?
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  272. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    In fact, I am going to fly to Moscow and find a bar where Spetsnaz hang out and tell them what I think about their people’s hand to hand combat abilities.
     
    field report plz

    Yes please, assuming you can still type.

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  273. I have no clue if it’s fun or not, but we have rules – you can’t just beat up human beings for no reason

    Fun is a reason. You should do things for fun. For example, I shitpost for fun.

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    I do; I play street hockey for fun, I bite my youngest son’s cheeks for fun, etc. Sinning for the fun of it doesn’t compute.

    Taekwondo was fun when I was taking it.

    One should have fun otherwise...
    https://giphy.com/gifs/jack-nicholson-the-shining-torrance-6vm8u786n3MBO

    Just not at the price of the integrity of other human beings’ skulls. But what do I know.

    Peace.

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  274. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I have no clue if it’s fun or not, but we have rules – you can’t just beat up human beings for no reason
     
    Fun is a reason. You should do things for fun. For example, I shitpost for fun.

    I do; I play street hockey for fun, I bite my youngest son’s cheeks for fun, etc. Sinning for the fun of it doesn’t compute.

    Taekwondo was fun when I was taking it.

    One should have fun otherwise…

    https://giphy.com/gifs/jack-nicholson-the-shining-torrance-6vm8u786n3MBO

    Just not at the price of the integrity of other human beings’ skulls. But what do I know.

    Peace.

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    You should consider taking up drinking, then.

    “Whoever drinks beer, he is quick to sleep; whoever sleeps long, does not sin; whoever does not sin, enters Heaven! Thus, let us drink beer!”
    ― Martin Luther
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  275. DFH says:
    @Talha
    Not outside of sparring in Taekwondo - don't know if that counts. But I got my ribs kicked in pretty good once - two side kicks in the same exact spot. And my instructor was a very solidly built Syrian guy. I'm planning on joining my sons for BJJ in a bit also once my schedule allows for it.

    I have no clue if it's fun or not, but we have rules - you can't just beat up human beings for no reason - it's sinful behavior (especially if you are striking the face - you're supposed to avoid that even in combat). I don't make the rules; God tells you to treat person A well in one context - you do it - He tells you to kill same person A in another context - you do it.

    I'm not a pacifist - men should learn how to apply violence (this is an essential part of being male) in a disciplined form and use it in its proper context. As I've mentioned before; the warrior saint is an important part of our tradition; the third Caliph Ali (ra) - and to a lesser degree his uncle Hamza (ra) being the archetype of the 'faaris' (knight). He was known for his learning, wisdom, asceticism, generosity, tremendous spirituality and the ability to cleave a man nearly in half. There was a famous incident where he had outmatched an enemy on the battlefield and had him on the ground and was about to deliver the final blow and the man spat in his face and so Ali (ra) let him go and walked away. When he was asked about it, he stated; "When I was about to strike, I was killing him for the sake of God, but when he spat in my face, I was going to kill him for myself."

    Drunken brawls for bragging rights don't count. But to each his own.

    Peace.

    I have no clue if it’s fun or not, but we have rules – you can’t just beat up human beings for no reason – it’s sinful behavior (especially if you are striking the face – you’re supposed to avoid that even in combat).

    Didn’t Muhammad behead an entire tribe of Jews once?

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    No - just the majority of their males. A punishment for their treachery during a siege in which Muslims were completely surrounded.

    To paraphrase my earlier statement; when God says to kill off the adults of tribe A to send a message that betraying His emissaries will not be tolerated - you do it.

    If you read the account, the Prophet (pbuh) was taking off his armor after the siege was lifted - he was going to deal with Bani Qurayzah diplomatically, but the archangel Gabriel (as) came to him dressed for war and told him that God had asked that he march on Bani Qurayzah.

    Keep in mind, not all Jewish tribes that fought the Muslims were treated like this; Bani Qaynuqah were exiled and Bani Nadhir were allowed to remain on their lands while providing a yearly tribute of their date harvest.

    Peace.
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  276. @Talha
    I do; I play street hockey for fun, I bite my youngest son’s cheeks for fun, etc. Sinning for the fun of it doesn’t compute.

    Taekwondo was fun when I was taking it.

    One should have fun otherwise...
    https://giphy.com/gifs/jack-nicholson-the-shining-torrance-6vm8u786n3MBO

    Just not at the price of the integrity of other human beings’ skulls. But what do I know.

    Peace.

    You should consider taking up drinking, then.

    “Whoever drinks beer, he is quick to sleep; whoever sleeps long, does not sin; whoever does not sin, enters Heaven! Thus, let us drink beer!”
    ― Martin Luther

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    “Whoever drinks beer is violating God’s law.” - every Muslim scholar ever

    I remember joking around with my younger brother once when said he planned to start a Sufi Order where the disciples were taught to ward off temptation to sin by immediately falling asleep. I think he wanted to call it the Sleepiwiyyah Order.

    Peace.
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  277. AaronB says:
    @reiner Tor
    AaronB with his idiotic comments (I'm unsure if he thinks they are profound or just made in jest, but I don't care) simply disrupts communication, and it's annoying. His comments about "spirituality" are very similar to what one can read on any stupid postmodern esoteric website with empty phrases like "as sparks from the divine flame, we are all destined for greatness." He reminds of the "spiritual" people I knew while at university, reading horoscopes, esoteric books, etc., all the while being hedonistic (i.e. drinking, doing drugs, and f*cking) all the same.

    Anyway, the main point is that commenting here is both a pastime and a venue of communication with likeminded people, and his trolling us with his empty and meaningless comments is just annoying.

    one can separate real people from personae
     
    I understand that in person he might be nice company, but I find it unlikely. He's either at least somewhat serious (in which case he's more or less a windbag, as you put it), or he's just fully trolling, and I'm having a hard time imagining what kind of person would find such an empty entertainment as trolling like this on such a website. Besides, I don't really care what kind of person he is. I just find his comments annoying, that's it.

    I just find his comments annoying, that’s it

    You have no idea how well this speaks for you. Vital signs are not dead.

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  278. AaronB says:
    @Talha
    I was recently about Dajjal when I saw a trailer for something pop up on YouTube for something on Jack Parsons (arguably one of the most important rocket scientists ever). Possible that space flight (and thus satellite communication) would not have been possible without his work.

    http://www.indiewire.com/2018/06/strange-angel-cbs-review-jack-parsons-sex-cult-1201974757/

    He was an adept of Alister Crowley and claimed association with an entity that had visited him calling itself Belarion Dajjal and that he was doing work on its behalf.

    The rabbit hole goes deep my friend...this is beyond red pill...

    Peace.

    Crazy stuff.

    I think all science depends on some kind of connection to the supernatural, and that science is stagnating now because we’ve become complete materialists. We all know Newton was a great mystic and Copernicus was inspired by the divinity of the sun.

    The Great Age of science was when Europe was still religious but growing more materialistic every day. So there was this kind of fragile balance between the supernatural and the material. But it was a process – it wasn’t a stable point – and every decade brought us closer and closer to pure materialism.

    Eventually this process ended today in pure materialism, which spelled the end of science as the connection to supernatural inspiration was finally completely cut off.

    Parsons may well have been inspired by done maleific entity, I wouldn’t be surprised at all.

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    If I recall, science started out connected heavily to alchemy. And Newton wrote an exegesis on the Bible.

    which spelled the end of science as the connection to supernatural inspiration was finally completely cut off.
     
    There were also religious men like Farraday who was looking for signs of God in the phenomenal universe in his explorations of magnetism.

    But doesn't that just put a bee in people's bonnets; one of the premier rocket scientists of the last century was an occultist?

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  279. Talha says:
    @DFH

    I have no clue if it’s fun or not, but we have rules – you can’t just beat up human beings for no reason – it’s sinful behavior (especially if you are striking the face – you’re supposed to avoid that even in combat).
     
    Didn't Muhammad behead an entire tribe of Jews once?

    No – just the majority of their males. A punishment for their treachery during a siege in which Muslims were completely surrounded.

    To paraphrase my earlier statement; when God says to kill off the adults of tribe A to send a message that betraying His emissaries will not be tolerated – you do it.

    If you read the account, the Prophet (pbuh) was taking off his armor after the siege was lifted – he was going to deal with Bani Qurayzah diplomatically, but the archangel Gabriel (as) came to him dressed for war and told him that God had asked that he march on Bani Qurayzah.

    Keep in mind, not all Jewish tribes that fought the Muslims were treated like this; Bani Qaynuqah were exiled and Bani Nadhir were allowed to remain on their lands while providing a yearly tribute of their date harvest.

    Peace.

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    Keep in mind: the neck is below the face.
    , @Talha
    Edit: Adult males of tribe A.
    , @DFH

    No – just the majority of their males. A punishment for their treachery during a siege in which Muslims were completely surrounded.
     
    This is obviously barbaric and was never considered just among civilised people. Like sex slavery and having sex with 9 year old girls. At least it is probably made up, like the rest of early Muslim 'history'.
    , @Bliss

    he was going to deal with Bani Qurayzah diplomatically, but the archangel Gabriel (as) came to him dressed for war
     
    Archangel or archdemon? Mohammad’s imaginary friend sure wasn’t angelic going by the definition.

    For example: when Mohammad lusted for the wife of his own son (adopted) he received a timely revelation from Allah via “Gabriel” telling the muslims that it was righteous of their Prophet to violate the conventions of his time and marry her. He was just setting a new convention for them to follow!

    His favorite wife Ayesha (whose virginity he had taken when she was only 9 years old and he was in his 50s) had this to say about such timely “revelations” that justified Mohammad’s bad behavior: “How conveeenient”. Lol. (Sahih Bukhari 6:60:311)
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  280. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    No - just the majority of their males. A punishment for their treachery during a siege in which Muslims were completely surrounded.

    To paraphrase my earlier statement; when God says to kill off the adults of tribe A to send a message that betraying His emissaries will not be tolerated - you do it.

    If you read the account, the Prophet (pbuh) was taking off his armor after the siege was lifted - he was going to deal with Bani Qurayzah diplomatically, but the archangel Gabriel (as) came to him dressed for war and told him that God had asked that he march on Bani Qurayzah.

    Keep in mind, not all Jewish tribes that fought the Muslims were treated like this; Bani Qaynuqah were exiled and Bani Nadhir were allowed to remain on their lands while providing a yearly tribute of their date harvest.

    Peace.

    Keep in mind: the neck is below the face.

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    Exactly. Beheading was the most clean and least torturous way to kill someone in the past. If I was captured and slated for execution in Late Antiquity, I would certainly choose that above anything else. You?

    Peace.

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  281. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    You should consider taking up drinking, then.

    “Whoever drinks beer, he is quick to sleep; whoever sleeps long, does not sin; whoever does not sin, enters Heaven! Thus, let us drink beer!”
    ― Martin Luther

    “Whoever drinks beer is violating God’s law.” – every Muslim scholar ever

    I remember joking around with my younger brother once when said he planned to start a Sufi Order where the disciples were taught to ward off temptation to sin by immediately falling asleep. I think he wanted to call it the Sleepiwiyyah Order.

    Peace.

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  282. Talha says:
    @Anon
    Keep in mind: the neck is below the face.

    Exactly. Beheading was the most clean and least torturous way to kill someone in the past. If I was captured and slated for execution in Late Antiquity, I would certainly choose that above anything else. You?

    Peace.

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    I actually have an opinion on this-- I always thought that the three most humane and dignified options for execution were 1) hanging, 2) firing squad, and 3) guillotine/beheading. Obviously 2) was not available in the early medieval period. 3) really should be done using a machine, because an incompetent or distracted headsman gives horrible results, but I understand that such machines were rare before the early modern period.

    Evidently the ancient Romans thought so too, which is why St. Paul, being a Roman citizen, was beheaded rather than crucified, which latter is a truly awful way to die.
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  283. Talha says:
    @Talha
    No - just the majority of their males. A punishment for their treachery during a siege in which Muslims were completely surrounded.

    To paraphrase my earlier statement; when God says to kill off the adults of tribe A to send a message that betraying His emissaries will not be tolerated - you do it.

    If you read the account, the Prophet (pbuh) was taking off his armor after the siege was lifted - he was going to deal with Bani Qurayzah diplomatically, but the archangel Gabriel (as) came to him dressed for war and told him that God had asked that he march on Bani Qurayzah.

    Keep in mind, not all Jewish tribes that fought the Muslims were treated like this; Bani Qaynuqah were exiled and Bani Nadhir were allowed to remain on their lands while providing a yearly tribute of their date harvest.

    Peace.

    Edit: Adult males of tribe A.

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  284. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    Exactly. Beheading was the most clean and least torturous way to kill someone in the past. If I was captured and slated for execution in Late Antiquity, I would certainly choose that above anything else. You?

    Peace.

    I actually have an opinion on this– I always thought that the three most humane and dignified options for execution were 1) hanging, 2) firing squad, and 3) guillotine/beheading. Obviously 2) was not available in the early medieval period. 3) really should be done using a machine, because an incompetent or distracted headsman gives horrible results, but I understand that such machines were rare before the early modern period.

    Evidently the ancient Romans thought so too, which is why St. Paul, being a Roman citizen, was beheaded rather than crucified, which latter is a truly awful way to die.

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    Short drop hanging (the norm until the 19th century) is essentially death through strangulation, which is rather unpleasant. Similarly, you'd have to be quite lucky to have an executioner take off the head in a single blow.
    , @Bliss

    I always thought that the three most humane and dignified options for execution were 1) hanging, 2) firing squad, and 3) guillotine/beheading.
     
    The most humane and dignified option for carrying out a death sentence is letting the condemned man fast until death.

    The benefits of fasting are known to all spiritual traditions. Ingesting only water a man can survive for upto 3 weeks or so. Let him spend this time praying, meditating etc
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  285. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    He might be genuine in his anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish utterances but this is irrelevant. He is driven by some destructive psychopathology which seems to have a Jewish origin. As I wrote earlier hucksters peddling some idealism as an antidote against the whatever almost always are at the service of forces that are against the civilization. In this case against our Western civilization that is based on philosophy of Greeks and legal doctrines of Romans. Our source of strength is in Athens not in Jerusalem. We relate to the reality and the concept of truth just as Greeks did and not as the Talmudists do. The antinomian idealism this creature is peddling has anti-Hellenic angle that the truth does not matter. As always there is a seduction: abandon your beliefs, your truth and you will be liberated or that is the only way to get out of your troubles. The war of ideas between Athens and Jerusalem is going on for over 2500 years. Jews still can't get over the fact that they encountered civilization much more developed and accomplished that the set of semi-coherent Bronze Age ideas on which they based their culture. Greek language was pushed out from the schools right after WWII and then very soon Latin was purged form European schools . Europe was defeated and conquered by two non-European powers which both drew more form Jerusalem than Athens. The first via Protestantism and the second via Bolshevism.

    But why? Why were Latin and Greek taken from school curricula? Laicized schooling was a demand placed on both Karl of Austria and Alphonse XIII of Spain –part of wider social demands– before they were driven from power. Is there a relation? The Bible languages were no longer thought relevant, I suspect, and translations of classical authors more readily available.

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  286. DFH says:
    @Talha
    No - just the majority of their males. A punishment for their treachery during a siege in which Muslims were completely surrounded.

    To paraphrase my earlier statement; when God says to kill off the adults of tribe A to send a message that betraying His emissaries will not be tolerated - you do it.

    If you read the account, the Prophet (pbuh) was taking off his armor after the siege was lifted - he was going to deal with Bani Qurayzah diplomatically, but the archangel Gabriel (as) came to him dressed for war and told him that God had asked that he march on Bani Qurayzah.

    Keep in mind, not all Jewish tribes that fought the Muslims were treated like this; Bani Qaynuqah were exiled and Bani Nadhir were allowed to remain on their lands while providing a yearly tribute of their date harvest.

    Peace.

    No – just the majority of their males. A punishment for their treachery during a siege in which Muslims were completely surrounded.

    This is obviously barbaric and was never considered just among civilised people. Like sex slavery and having sex with 9 year old girls. At least it is probably made up, like the rest of early Muslim ‘history’.

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    This is obviously barbaric and was never considered just among civilised people.
     
    Incorrect - you should really read up on what the Romans were capable of. Civilized people incinerated entire cities of human beings within living memory. A man like Charlemagne executed 4500 pagan male prisoners at Verdun and was punished for it by being eventually crowned Holy Roman Emperor.

    sex slavery
     
    Pre-Islamic Arabs certainly had sex-slavery. Like the prostitution rings of today; they would forcibly pimp out their slave girls. Islam put an end to all that, but kept the concept of concubinage. Man could own a female slave and could have sexual relations with her if he wanted. No different than practice of civilized people such as pre-Christian Romans, Greeks, Persians, Chinese...was even practiced in the New World by Aztecs and Mayans. Islam is a universal religion and certain fairly universal practices of various civilizations were allowed to carry forward.

    If she bore him a child, she became um-walad, a status only slightly lower than a wife; he could no longer sell her and she was automatically freed after her master's death:
    http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e2424


    having sex with 9 year old girls.
     
    This is haram, sex with pre-pubescent girls below 15 is off limits. Sex with 9 year old women - those having reached puberty - was permitted (before most Muslim nations raised marriageable age). Those having bled, but under the minimum of 9 years were also off limits.

    Again, this was fairly routine practice among even civilized