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A reader (and generous contributor) asks:

I want to move my family [details redacted] to an Eastern European country to escape the poz. We will start learning the language. Do you think Russia is the best option or is there a better one?

Real life example of a trend I reported on a few months ago.

I’ll offer some of my own thoughts, but since there are plenty of East Europeans here, I am also opening it up for wider discussion.

***

General Considerations

First, I assume this is obvious and that you have considered it, but I would strongly advise anybody considering such a major life change to thoroughly explore all of the countries they are considering before committing. Better spend a few thousand dollars on that now instead of investing tens of thousands of dollars and years of your life on a project that you may potentially come to regret. For instance, if I were a prospective Western expat, even though Romania wouldn’t have been anywhere near my first choice, my visit there confirmed my feeling that it’s only good for shortish tourism.

Second, while Eastern Europe is indeed more “based” than the West, it is not some kind of 1950s America Shangri-La. I would strongly recommend you read this classic neoreactionary essay by Arpad Virag: Eastern Europe and the Swine Right. One of the main points it makes is that Eastern Europe is “already far more ruled by progressives than most are willing to admit.” I might not going to make the case in depth here, but I broadly agree. For instance, even in Russia, the young undergraduates at elite universities are very much familiar with intersectionality and the pursuit of social justice. These are marginal cults, for now, but as Arpad points out:

These are all individual, anecdotal evidence, dealing with only one small country – you may take them seriously or not, but don’t forget the good ol’ Moldbuggian wisdom – trends among the tiny elite is what shapes the future, not the bleating of millions of sheep. Tea Party movement is nonexistent today, while the editors of NYT aren’t exactly dealing with plummeting readership.

Or here is what an alt righter once wrote to me about Romania:

The nice thing about Romania’s “backwardness” is that there is no degeneracy. Apolitical people talk about race/gay/Jews like normal, non-brainwashed people do. Very refreshing. All of their celebrated intellectuals – Eminescu, Iorga, Eliade, Cioran, Tutea . . . – were reactionary and/or fascist. The youth are also very Americanized – good and bad, the average educated one thinks it is very cool to watch John Oliver.

Yep… they are rather Americanized.

Pictured: Just outside Bucharest’s main university.

What I call the “Soviet Freezer” preserved old social attitudes in Eastern Europe for much longer than in the West, but it has since broken down. Now resistance to the Poz basically consists of an inchoate array of populist reactions, with no coherent ideology underlying them. Will this reaction succeed? Or is this tradition’s last gasp before it is swept away? (Akin to conservative dominance in the US during the 2000s, which depressed liberals at the time but which in the end turned out to be a complete phantasmagoria).

I really don’t know, but I’m pretty pessimistic.

I am not trying to discourage anyone. But do know that Eastern Europe isn’t some impenetrable bastion of traditional values. It will be fighting its own culture wars, and it’s far from clear that conservatism will retain the upper hand indefinitely.

Finally, one advantage that the US has, no matter how pozzed it gets, is that it does have uniquely strong traditions of personal liberty and free speech. Washington D.C. or state governments are not going to follow Germany’s recent moves in criminalizing homeschooling anytime soon. You not going to go to jail for criticizing Islam or immigration, as is routine in the UK. You may be fired, of course, or even banned from Uber, but so long as you have “fuck you money,” you’re safe and sound regardless. (At least until the SJWs start rewriting the Constitution… but we’re not at that point yet). This might be less true of countries with weaker traditions of speech, i.e. the rest of the world.

***

Citizenship

There is a considerable bureaucratic problem specific to Russia. While you’ll need to do the usual typical things to get citizenship – get permanent residency (so that means getting a job in most cases); waiting a number of years without committing crimes (5 years in Russia); learning the language – you will also have to give up your original citizenship on assuming the Russian one. This is something that the vast majority of expats here understandably do not want to commit to.

In fairness, there is a chance that this restriction will be lifted in the coming years:

In addition to the proposed law, there is also a new “concept” for reforming Russian immigration policy by 2025, which mostly centers around simplifying naturalization for certain categories of foreign professionals. One concrete suggestion that’s known to be included is dropping the requirement to disavow existing citizenships upon getting a Russian citizenship. Hungary, Romania, and Poland are cited as examples to emulate.

The Visegrad nations don’t have issues in this regard. A quick perusal of Wikipedia shows that one typically becomes eligible citizenship after 8-10 years of residency.

***

Where To Go?

As per above, you should really go to the countries you’re interested in it personally and immerse yourself in everyday life for at least a few months before making a life-changing definition.

However, here are some brief thoughts on each potential country/region.

Russia

I have comprehensively surveyed its pluses and minuses in my series of national comparisons (see here: https://akarlin.com/tag/national-comparisons/ ) and 10 Ways Life in Russia is Better than in America (10 ways it is not).

Of relevance to expats: I should note that there’s a big difference between Moscow [First World]; SPB and the millioniki [Visegrad development levels]; and the small town provinces [Balkan development levels] in terms of civility, crime, functionality, development, infrastructure and social services, etc. Modern Moscow is unique in that it is a modern SWPL paradise that is still conservative by Western standards (though liberal by all-Russian ones); as I understand, you don’t really get that anywhere else outside East Asia. The “last White metropolis“, I have called it. If I had to recommend an alternative in “La Russie Profonde”, it would be Sochi – very good infrastructure thanks to the Winter Olympics, one of the best climates in Russia in close proximity to skiing resorts (though buffed by cold winds from the Pontic steppe during winter), close to the heart of Russia’s agricultural breadbasket (inc. cheap steak that’s now competitive with the best of what the US has to offer), and informally Russia’s second capital.

My sample size is modest, but while almost all the expats I know in Moscow and Sochi are happy where they are, the two guys in Saint-Petersburg are not, and want to move to Moscow.

Society might be “based” but respect for personal liberties is minimal. There are hate speech laws comparable in content to those of Western Europe, and if anything, they are enforced more viciously. Make sure to familiarize yourself with Article 282 here, here. Familiarize yourself with Russia’s chain of racial privilege: While in the West you can’t criticize Jews, in Russia you can’t criticize Caucasians or Islam. In this sense, Russia is very much inferior to the Visegrad nations. That said, there have been recent moves to substantially decriminalize Article 282. (HEIL PUTLER!)

Apart from the citizenship issues mentioned above, there’s also banal geopolitics. I won’t go on about it since I assume that people who follow me are familiar with this. But yes, there’s a real chance that sanctions may be stepped up. Even assuming no further “international community”-disapproved foreign policy adventures like in 2014, the Dems are going to have it out for Russia after Trump, and I am skeptical that the EU countries will be able to challenge the Americans on that. Financial transfers may become very tricky. American online services like Steam may extend Crimea restrictions to the entirety of Russia (no worries… you’re not going to jail for pirating here). There is a very small but not altogether negligible chance of war with the US in the next few decades.

Visegrad

I am hoping that our Visegrad residents can say more, but in general, this is a solid choice – and surely a safer bet than Russia.

Poland: Pluses – socially conservative, vigorous economic development. Contradictory trends amongst youth: The commenter Polish Perspective will cite polls showing youth are very based on race and immigration. OTOH, they are certainly not social conservatives (see my graph of Polish support for gay marriage above). They are highly Americanophile, which should be great for American expats. Minuses – overly slavish Americanophilia may lead it down dead ends.

Czechia: Pluses – extremely based on race/immigration. Most developed/modern of the Visegrad nations, though Poland and Slovakia are gaining on it. But they also have a much stronger libertarian streak than anywhere else in Visegrad. They respect gun rights (neither Russia not any other Visegrad country does that). Just ask the blogger/physicist Luboš Motl about that. While I have not been to Visegrad myself, if I had to move on from Russia, I’d probably try to settle in Czechia (based on what I know about it). However, Czechia is not a socially conservative country like Poland, and it is extremely irreligious. This doesn’t concern me, since I am not super socially conservative or religious myself. But it might be an issue if your dream is to live in a genuinely conservative society, as well as a homogenous white one. Then Poland might be better.

Hungary: Pluses – extremely based on race/immigration. Le Orban. Minuses – unlike Poland, and (for the most part) Czechia, there is a huge population of Gypsies. The language is extremely difficult, more so even that Slavic languages, and it is specific to Hungary. The level of English language knowledge in Hungary is the lowest in the EU, so even communicating outside Budapest might be tricky (or so I would guess). That said, there’s a substantial Alt Right expat scene in Budapest – it includes Matt Forney, Michael Polignano, and even (partly) our own RamzPaul – and they seem to be pretty happy there.

Slovakia: I don’t really know much about it – hopefully Beckow can chime in. Unlike Czechia, they are socially conservative.

Balkans

Too many Gypsies, too much dysfunction. I wouldn’t even bother.

Ukraine

As a young downshifter who wants to live like a king on pennies in a Western currency and run game in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov? Sure, go for it. As a stable destination for family emigration, at least as of this time – nope.

Furthermore, the Ukraine bans double citizenship, period (unless you’re an oligarch like Kolomoysky).

Baltics

I wouldn’t go there either, and not on account of them being the world’s most dedicated Russophobes. (An irrelevant consideration for an American, anyway).

First off, their own people are deserting those countries. It’s slowing down, and Estonia in particular has pretty much stabilized. But from many accounts the streets feel empty.

Second, horrible climate. Same reason I’m not a fan of SPB.

Third, all the Russian expats I know or have heard of have had bad experiences there – and these are not vatniks, but Baltic-loving, Russia-hating liberal cargo cultists we’re talking about. This guy’s attempt to open a bar failed (no young people with money to frequent them). Green activist and darling of the Western press Chirikova emigrated to Estonia and is now whining about it. A person I know (liberal but racialist pro-European) was very unhappy with his purchase of an apartment in Lithuania… with the area half-deserted, there’s no amenities within walking distance and it has lost value since the purchase.

Fourth, they are socially liberal, irreligious, and far more open to poz than Visegrad or Russia. This is furthest advanced in Estonia, which also happens to be the most desirable country in the Baltics. Lithuania is the most conservative country there, but it’s also the more depressive. Highest suicide rate in the world.

 
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  1. Germany’s recent moves in criminalizing homeschooling anytime

    those aren’t recent moves, it’s been banned since at least the Weimar republic and there has never been a homeschooling culture in modern Germany.
    As for the topic of emigration, one reads a lot of that on German internet forums as well; imo it’s mostly posturing and indulging a pointless fantasy, also somewhat cowardly tbh. Emigration isn’t a realistic prospect for most Westerners, and if there really was a mass exodus of Westerners to Eastern Europe, it might well arouse the resentment of the locals (would certainly be the case with Germans in Poland or the Czech republic; and tbh, given how obnoxious Americans can be, they might not be that popular either). Cultural differences between different European nations are hardly irrelevant.
    And the way things are going, there’s no guarantee one will be safe from the coming storms in Eastern Europe anyway, as you’re correctly pointing out.

    • Replies: @Mitleser

    would certainly be the case with Germans in Poland or the Czech republic
     
    Thanks to DDR/GDR, Germans have their own piece of East Europe within German borders.
    If they don't live there, they can do what right-wing publisher Götz Kubitschek did.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Isn't there a remnant German-speaking part of Poland in Silesia, near Oppoln? I would think that that place might be one of the few that German culture survives, protected by minority rights in Poland. Maybe Austria, too.

    Germany might right itself, but my hopes aren't great.
    , @Dacian Julien Ciolos
    Every year or so, a diverse immigrant American basketball player get into a conflict with the local Gypsies, and gets stabbed. Their teams are usually in second or third tier in Romania. Last year's victim was begging for money for the return ticket. So I guess they are just regular Americans, without any special gift for basketball, and without any propensity for obnoxiousness above the average American. And, yes, they are unpleasant.

    Also, we might be at peak gringo. There's a billion Frenchies in Bucharest, patronizing us with their "education" which gets them best management jobs in MNCs. There are even more Germans in the villages, demanding subsidies from local authorities and EU alike for "sustainable agriculture". (Read: low-yield, money-losing wank-about farming.) Everybody learns English in school. For those who afford them, au pairs come from Moldova. (Fairly poor idea, since they pack up and leave for Italy in a few months.) What could an American do in a useful manner and at a decent pace in Romania?

    I reject the idea that Gypsies are the worst thing about Romania. We have quite a few Jewish "businessmen". I'd rather give my wallet every year to a Gyppo, instead of paying flat tax. And that's only the legal part.
  2. You can vote here (if you’re on Twitter). And there’s a number of good takes in the replies.

    • Replies: @hgv
    You did not sound so harsh in your RO-POST...
  3. Does anyone know what the English teaching scene is like in Moscow? Is it viable for a long term career choice?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    Only if you want a Russian standard of living. Russians are poor.
  4. Wouldn’t the best place for western traditionalists be scandinavia? Yes it’s very liberal and PC and they have some immigrants, but their welfare state makes having large families very affordable.

    Th only western traditionalist are groups like the mormons. ‘Western trads’/ white nats talk the talk but they don’t walk the walk. Serious nationalists like the early zionists understand the importance of fertility even if they don’t have much money for each kid (kids have to share a bedroom, boo hoo). Most white nats/ trads are NEETs.

    The only westerners who move to EE are PUAs in search of poosy paradise. These PUAs live a promiscous non-monogamous lifestyle and complain that western women are not trad. What a joke!

    If you enjoy the NEET life and having casual sex then just embrace it. Nothing wrong with it.

    No actual western nat is moving to EE.

    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @szopen

    The only westerners who move to EE are PUAs in search of poosy paradise.
     
    It's obviously false and to find out you only need to read any Polish english-language community, when basically every week some westerner comes and asks pretty much the same questions.
    , @jbwilson24
    "Wouldn’t the best place for western traditionalists be scandinavia? Yes it’s very liberal and PC and they have some immigrants"

    SOME??

    China has SOME immigrants. Sweden is swarming with them, including rapey Somalis, grenade toting Arabs, stabby Afghans, etc.

    Why the hell would you recommend any western European country for raising families while there are muslim rape gangs running around in all of them?
    , @TelfoedJohn
    Denmark is liberal but not pozzed. The same can’t be said about Sweden, but you could live somewhere in the countryside and avoid the nonsense.
  5. Trends among the tiny elite is what shapes the future

    The trend among the US literati elites from the 1900s all the way into the 1970s had been socialism – from mild Euro social democracy to hard line Stalinism or Maoism. And yet USA did not turn socialist.

    This is because the masses resist elite trends when these trends are seen as hostile foreign encroachment (Commie Russkie in case of the 20th America.)

    In Russia, the poz is seen by the common people as hostile American influence, therefore I predicts that it will not take. Poland, Baltics, and other American cargo cultists will eventually be the poz equivalent of more Catholic than the Pope. The Ukraine is right on the edge and can go either way.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    US Federal Government spending was less than 3% of GDP then. It is 21% now. It certainly isn't "socialism" but it is utterly transformed.
  6. Anatolij is spot on on social attitudes. We are at most one generation behind the west, maybe even less. Our “conservatives” are basically old american cucks. There is huge pressure to introduce stricter “hate speech” laws, and a lot of youngsters get all dreamy and wet about getting Poland as diverse as US, in exchange for few imaginary pats from the westerners.

    Last year I got my first “sexism” accusation in the university (for un-PC speech and writing). I have not got any trouble for that, in fact I would have not even knew about that if I wasn’t interested in the students opinions about me; so make of it what you want.

    And there is Adamowicz tragical death, which the left is already using as a ram to destroy the steady walls of Polish rightwing fortress.

    OTOH, 1/5 or so of Poles openly identify as nationalists – though less than 5% actually votes for one of the nationalist parties.

    If you are VD fan, then you may recognize his law in action – any institution with no protection specifically designed to keep SJWs out, in time will be taken over by SJWs. In this case, it seems it’s also relevant to whole countries. My country is being slowly taking over by SJWs. I’m pretty sure in 10 years max someone will try to evict me from the academia.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Polish Perspective

    1/5 or so of Poles openly identify as nationalists – though less than 5% actually votes for one of the nationalist parties.
     
    I see you're back to your permabearishness. Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it. In a 99% white country, fault lines will inevitably fall on non-ethnic/racial grounds, which means gender and sexuality.

    a lot of youngsters get all dreamy and wet about getting Poland as diverse as US
     
    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit. I see lots of poles on /pol/. Are these just anecdotes? Statistical surveys would disagree.

    Is it concentrated among the educated elite? Not in my experience. My guess is that you're probably a lecturer in the softer humanities, with its overflow of hyperleftist wahmen.


    Last year I got my first “sexism” accusation in the university (for un-PC speech and writing). I have not got any trouble for that, in fact I would have not even knew about that if I wasn’t interested in the students opinions about me
     
    We do have a budding feminism problem, but one could also view it as the latest manifestation of excessive Polish deference to women, a national trait that even the Chinese commented upon some centuries ago. In other words, it's not so much as an import as an old pathology repackaged in new colors.

    Our “conservatives” are basically old american cucks.
     
    Correction: boomers. Young people are much less religious and thus split into either the left or the hard-right. Most educated young men tend to be libertarian(ish) but with a right-wing bent. That's at least what I see when I hang out with other econ students, engineers, hard sciences etc. Maybe its different for philologists and sociologists, but who gives a shit about those clowns.

    And there is Adamowicz tragical death, which the left is already using as a ram to destroy the steady walls of Polish rightwing fortress.
     
    You can't have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it's a "right-wing fortress". The left are spineless and he deserves the knife, btw.

    My country is being slowly taking over by SJWs
     
    Correction: Poland was wholesale sold to SJWs - or more accurately told, neoliberals - for the last 25 years. The current (weak) government is nevertheless a significant break. Not nearly as radical as I would prefer, but let's not kid ourselves:

    https://i.imgur.com/0lVmc64.png

    What's notable about this march is that the PiS cucks tried to have their own march but it so spectacularly failed and backfired that they had no choice but to give in. This is the best position to be in: where you are not dependent on the major party but have your own grassroots movement outside of it. PiS needs our support and votes, and they know it. And we're not desperate to sell out or to cuck out. When the heat was on days before the march, our guys stood firm and refused to yield, forcing PiS back into the fold. Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.

    , @Pericles

    If you are VD fan, then you may recognize his law in action – any institution with no protection specifically designed to keep SJWs out, in time will be taken over by SJWs.

     

    That's Conquest's second law actually.
  7. @German_reader

    Germany’s recent moves in criminalizing homeschooling anytime
     
    those aren't recent moves, it's been banned since at least the Weimar republic and there has never been a homeschooling culture in modern Germany.
    As for the topic of emigration, one reads a lot of that on German internet forums as well; imo it's mostly posturing and indulging a pointless fantasy, also somewhat cowardly tbh. Emigration isn't a realistic prospect for most Westerners, and if there really was a mass exodus of Westerners to Eastern Europe, it might well arouse the resentment of the locals (would certainly be the case with Germans in Poland or the Czech republic; and tbh, given how obnoxious Americans can be, they might not be that popular either). Cultural differences between different European nations are hardly irrelevant.
    And the way things are going, there's no guarantee one will be safe from the coming storms in Eastern Europe anyway, as you're correctly pointing out.

    would certainly be the case with Germans in Poland or the Czech republic

    Thanks to DDR/GDR, Germans have their own piece of East Europe within German borders.
    If they don’t live there, they can do what right-wing publisher Götz Kubitschek did.

  8. @Bao Jiankang
    Wouldn't the best place for western traditionalists be scandinavia? Yes it's very liberal and PC and they have some immigrants, but their welfare state makes having large families very affordable.

    Th only western traditionalist are groups like the mormons. 'Western trads'/ white nats talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. Serious nationalists like the early zionists understand the importance of fertility even if they don't have much money for each kid (kids have to share a bedroom, boo hoo). Most white nats/ trads are NEETs.

    The only westerners who move to EE are PUAs in search of poosy paradise. These PUAs live a promiscous non-monogamous lifestyle and complain that western women are not trad. What a joke!

    If you enjoy the NEET life and having casual sex then just embrace it. Nothing wrong with it.

    No actual western nat is moving to EE.

    The only westerners who move to EE are PUAs in search of poosy paradise.

    It’s obviously false and to find out you only need to read any Polish english-language community, when basically every week some westerner comes and asks pretty much the same questions.

  9. If I had to choose between all the countries mentioned, I would choose Russia, even if it is the weaker candidate than either my own country or Czechia on a range of issues right now. Why? Because if you want to settle in a country for the long haul then you need to think beyond the immediate comforts. Your own life will be upended permanently regardless of where you move, and thus you really need to think of your kids.

    What Russia has which the others do not:

    True independence. Russia may or may not fall to SJW cancer, but its fate is entirely in its own hands. It has a truly self-sufficient economy to a much greater extent, very low debt, massive natural resources and tons of land. Its people have proven themselves for centuries when times got very tough. You need that track record.

    Poland is both whiter and richer. It is less corrupt and it has much less onerous hate speech laws. I don’t know about Russia’s homeschooling laws, but ours are very good. Generally, the policy here is very pro-family. The state has very limited capability to take away your kids if they deem you unfit unless in very serious instances (such as rampant alcoholism etc). There was even a case of a Norwegian woman who fled to Poland recently to avoid her authorities taking her kids and subsequently sought asylum, created quite a stir in our media. (She was granted).

    But Poland has one distinct disadvantage which makes all those advantages appear fleeting: it is extremely dependent on the US, which in turn is extremely hostile to whites. Therefore, its long-term options are quite limited unless China would somehow extend its reach into Europe (very unlikely) and/or Europe itself uncucks itself and becomes much more nationalist (also unlikely). Even if the latter were to be true, history tells us that nationalists are not exactly great collaborators. So Polish geography would once again become the perennial woe.

    Czechia is an alluring option on the surface. It has the advantages of Poland yet is richer and more liberal in the best sense (gun laws). Though its distance is shrinking. On PPP-adjusted wages, it is already behind us. While Czechia has a better geographic position – and thus more easily be able to withstand ZOG cultural/political pressure in exchange for security – it is still a small country of 10 million. Even if, let’s say, it managed to “hold out” it would still be doomed in the long run if the rest of its neighbours fell to the same cancer. Being surrounded demographically by a slow-moving cancer is not a viable long-term strategy.

    My advice to this individual would thus be to look for Russia first and foremost, then Czechia, then Poland. Slovakia is too small and Hungary has too many gypsies. Hungary is also placed most precariously of all the Visegrad nations, given its proximity to the Balkans. So even if the regime is good, there will always be a certain, eh, “spillover” during the summers. Especially as Hungary is getting richer. This will compound itself as the years roll on.

    Ultimately, however, I do not subscribe to ‘Eastern Exceptionalism’. Europe will not survive if the West falls, especially since we’re so economically interlinked now. I would actually unironically advise said person to even look into Scandinavia. They are whiter today – with the exception of Sweden – than the US was in 1965. Some of them have good homeschooling. Rural Norway, say, need not be a terrible place if you can afford it and the kids don’t mind the countryside. I’d even look into Iceland. Poz is a factor, but can be neutralised somewhat by where you are and taking your kids out of public schools.

    But ultimately, I do not believe that running away is an option for most people and for most countries. Borders are too porous, and so are ideas. This may not be what the person in mind wanted to hear, but it is the unvarnished truth, at least as I see it.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @songbird
    I believe there are several instances in scifi where there is a deepspace-faring era in which the world is mostly united, but with one holdout - the Russian Federation (or substitute word.)

    I'd always scorned the idea that scifi writers were genius-level prognosticators, but there might be a grain of truth in the idea that Russia has some potentiality for independence from a New World Order.
    , @TelfoedJohn

    Rural Norway, say, need not be a terrible place if you can afford it and the kids don’t mind the countryside.
     
    Rural and coastal Norway are very attractive places to live. Unlike many other visually appealing places in Europe, it isn’t dirt poor - quite the opposite - so it doesn’t need to persuade tourists to come and spend money. The money hasn’t turned the inhabitants into gold-chain wearing vulgarians either, as might happen if southern or eastern Europe found too much oil.
    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    But ultimately, I do not believe that running away is an option for most people and for most countries. Borders are too porous, and so are ideas. This may not be what the person in mind wanted to hear, but it is the unvarnished truth, at least as I see it.

     

    This came to be my conclusion as well.

    As a Russian, Solzhenitsyn, said, "Grow where you're planted."

    As a fictional Texan said in the novel 'Lonesome Dove,' "What are we doin' up here, Mister Gus? This ain't our country. A man ought not to leave his own country, go wanderin' around like this."
  10. Moscow is now in economic development, infrastructure, education, etc, at the level of Germany. And equally, has its famous liberal politics in central Moscow (elite areas) which is probably similar to equivalent German cities .

    Westerners who like Moscow, are surely not there because of its politics (liberal in elite areas, probably just like in Frankfurt), but because it is the economically successful vast metropolis, the largest city of all Europe, with the culture, shopping and amenities you can expect for a huge city – and Western workers/businessmen also likely have a high-salary job so they can afford the good restaurants.

    Equally, people are not moving to Western Europe because of politics or gay parades (except for a few political activists). They move to Western Europe because of the career opportunities. It’s why so many people with higher education are going away.

    • Agree: melanf
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    To some extent, but I believe that you still overstate how liberal Moscow is. With national support for gay marriage no higher than 10%, it is simply impossible for Moscow to be above 30%.

    I just checked and I am correct.

    Высокую поддержку однополых браков высказывали жители крупных городов: 29,3 % в Москве в 2005 году[155], 34 % в Санкт-Петербурге в 2008 году[159], 21 % москвичей и петербуржцев в 2011 году[156].
     
    Moscow: 29% in 2005; 21% in 2011
    SPB: 34% in 2008, 21% in 2011

    Must be even lower now, since all-Russian support for gay marriage collapsed from low to minimal in the past decade.

    I allow that support for gay marriage is at 30% in the Tverskaya district, and that the polling stations at places like PhysTech, MSU, and HSE would register 50% support in the event of a referendum.
  11. @szopen
    Anatolij is spot on on social attitudes. We are at most one generation behind the west, maybe even less. Our "conservatives" are basically old american cucks. There is huge pressure to introduce stricter "hate speech" laws, and a lot of youngsters get all dreamy and wet about getting Poland as diverse as US, in exchange for few imaginary pats from the westerners.

    Last year I got my first "sexism" accusation in the university (for un-PC speech and writing). I have not got any trouble for that, in fact I would have not even knew about that if I wasn't interested in the students opinions about me; so make of it what you want.

    And there is Adamowicz tragical death, which the left is already using as a ram to destroy the steady walls of Polish rightwing fortress.

    OTOH, 1/5 or so of Poles openly identify as nationalists - though less than 5% actually votes for one of the nationalist parties.

    If you are VD fan, then you may recognize his law in action - any institution with no protection specifically designed to keep SJWs out, in time will be taken over by SJWs. In this case, it seems it's also relevant to whole countries. My country is being slowly taking over by SJWs. I'm pretty sure in 10 years max someone will try to evict me from the academia.

    1/5 or so of Poles openly identify as nationalists – though less than 5% actually votes for one of the nationalist parties.

    I see you’re back to your permabearishness. Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it. In a 99% white country, fault lines will inevitably fall on non-ethnic/racial grounds, which means gender and sexuality.

    a lot of youngsters get all dreamy and wet about getting Poland as diverse as US

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit. I see lots of poles on /pol/. Are these just anecdotes? Statistical surveys would disagree.

    Is it concentrated among the educated elite? Not in my experience. My guess is that you’re probably a lecturer in the softer humanities, with its overflow of hyperleftist wahmen.

    Last year I got my first “sexism” accusation in the university (for un-PC speech and writing). I have not got any trouble for that, in fact I would have not even knew about that if I wasn’t interested in the students opinions about me

    We do have a budding feminism problem, but one could also view it as the latest manifestation of excessive Polish deference to women, a national trait that even the Chinese commented upon some centuries ago. In other words, it’s not so much as an import as an old pathology repackaged in new colors.

    Our “conservatives” are basically old american cucks.

    Correction: boomers. Young people are much less religious and thus split into either the left or the hard-right. Most educated young men tend to be libertarian(ish) but with a right-wing bent. That’s at least what I see when I hang out with other econ students, engineers, hard sciences etc. Maybe its different for philologists and sociologists, but who gives a shit about those clowns.

    And there is Adamowicz tragical death, which the left is already using as a ram to destroy the steady walls of Polish rightwing fortress.

    You can’t have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it’s a “right-wing fortress”. The left are spineless and he deserves the knife, btw.

    My country is being slowly taking over by SJWs

    Correction: Poland was wholesale sold to SJWs – or more accurately told, neoliberals – for the last 25 years. The current (weak) government is nevertheless a significant break. Not nearly as radical as I would prefer, but let’s not kid ourselves:

    What’s notable about this march is that the PiS cucks tried to have their own march but it so spectacularly failed and backfired that they had no choice but to give in. This is the best position to be in: where you are not dependent on the major party but have your own grassroots movement outside of it. PiS needs our support and votes, and they know it. And we’re not desperate to sell out or to cuck out. When the heat was on days before the march, our guys stood firm and refused to yield, forcing PiS back into the fold. Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @szopen

    I see you’re back to your permabearishness
     
    You are right. I just can't see a reason for optimism. Recently I've read few articles on DoRzeczy, one not signed by regular publisher, but probably by someone for younger staff - you know, most sites have their young applicants doing this kind of stuff. And those few could be taken straightly from GW, with weasel words suggesting between the lines that rightwing politician was wrong saying something. DoRzeczy is one of the most right-wing papers in Poland!

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis.
     
    Well, go to r/polska on reddit and look how it looks.

    My guess is that you’re probably a lecturer in the softer humanities
     
    You are wrong, but sorry, no more details.

    Yes, majority is still right-wing. But the thing is few years ago such thing would be unthinkable. Previously I was freely joking with students and I got always good laughs (even if sometimes they were of the kind "oh-no-I-can't-believe-you-said-it"). My bosses were quite based by our standards. And now.. the bosses are old and they retire one by one. Plus, within past few years few things happened which I would thought would be impossible in Polish university, including bowing to SJW on one of conferences organized by my colleagues.


    You can’t have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it’s a “right-wing fortress”.
     
    Hey, I haven't said there are no conservatives. I've only said they look as conservatives in USA from 30 years ago or maybe 20: basically, cucks by modern standards. Sure, immigration is bad which is why we need more immigrants from Philippines, because those are catholics and will integrate. And Vietnamese, because... I don't know why. Then they put a strong, verbal opposition to "Konwencja antyprzemocowa" but then they signed it anyway.

    RIght-wing fortress - because it seems we have conservative society now, with a lot of seemingly hardliners in politics - but heck, when you look at it more closely, a lot of them would condemn evil nationalist, would declare their love for progressive values and will do anything to avoid the "fascist" label.


    Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it.
     
    If there will be a real need for it, it would be already too late. Within last few years the number of non-whites I met on everyday occassions in trams/busses rised significantly. My friends are telling me that there is huge increase of number of Hindu in the industry.

    Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.
     
    Thanks for the advice. Just because I am pessimistic (I would rather say: realist) on English-language blog (meaning, not really read by Polish audience) it means I have no spine? (and, BTW, if you mean "them" by ONR I do not even like them taht much. I think we are on the same side, simply)
    , @Anonymous


    Econ & engineer don't run society.

    How Sarmatian blood defers to women can only be explained by christcuckery
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit.
     
    Speaking of reddit, the cucks at /r/europe have banned the Unz Review. Can't submit articles there or even link to it from the comments.

    https://i.imgur.com/xs8K5TL.png

    https://i.imgur.com/iw2WIBN.png
  12. Throw away your chairs so you can get practice squatting. Tracksuit and dashcam are a must.

  13. Of Eastern European countries, I’ve only spent a significant amount of time in Russia (a number of years now) and can say that it is indeed a fine place for a sane person to raise a family. One point of which people should be aware, though, is that if you are religious, you are better off belonging to one of the “traditional” religions of Russia than to a foreign one, in which case you might find yourself rather isolated.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @melanf

    One point of which people should be aware, though, is that if you are religious, you are better off belonging to one of the “traditional” religions of Russia than to a foreign one, in which case you might find yourself rather isolated.
     
    If you do not preach your religion, then your religion is of no interest to anyone.
  14. @German_reader

    Germany’s recent moves in criminalizing homeschooling anytime
     
    those aren't recent moves, it's been banned since at least the Weimar republic and there has never been a homeschooling culture in modern Germany.
    As for the topic of emigration, one reads a lot of that on German internet forums as well; imo it's mostly posturing and indulging a pointless fantasy, also somewhat cowardly tbh. Emigration isn't a realistic prospect for most Westerners, and if there really was a mass exodus of Westerners to Eastern Europe, it might well arouse the resentment of the locals (would certainly be the case with Germans in Poland or the Czech republic; and tbh, given how obnoxious Americans can be, they might not be that popular either). Cultural differences between different European nations are hardly irrelevant.
    And the way things are going, there's no guarantee one will be safe from the coming storms in Eastern Europe anyway, as you're correctly pointing out.

    Isn’t there a remnant German-speaking part of Poland in Silesia, near Oppoln? I would think that that place might be one of the few that German culture survives, protected by minority rights in Poland. Maybe Austria, too.

    Germany might right itself, but my hopes aren’t great.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Isn’t there a remnant German-speaking part of Poland in Silesia, near Oppoln?
     
    I don't really know much about it, but I looked it up and you're right, there's still a German minority there (estimated at about 300 000, though I suppose it might be lower in reality).
    I doubt Poles would be thrilled though about Germans moving en masse to Poland, that would probably bring up unpleasant historical memories.

    Germany might right itself, but my hopes aren’t great.
     
    Mine aren't either, but running away isn't really a solution.
  15. @Polish Perspective
    If I had to choose between all the countries mentioned, I would choose Russia, even if it is the weaker candidate than either my own country or Czechia on a range of issues right now. Why? Because if you want to settle in a country for the long haul then you need to think beyond the immediate comforts. Your own life will be upended permanently regardless of where you move, and thus you really need to think of your kids.

    What Russia has which the others do not:

    True independence. Russia may or may not fall to SJW cancer, but its fate is entirely in its own hands. It has a truly self-sufficient economy to a much greater extent, very low debt, massive natural resources and tons of land. Its people have proven themselves for centuries when times got very tough. You need that track record.

    Poland is both whiter and richer. It is less corrupt and it has much less onerous hate speech laws. I don't know about Russia's homeschooling laws, but ours are very good. Generally, the policy here is very pro-family. The state has very limited capability to take away your kids if they deem you unfit unless in very serious instances (such as rampant alcoholism etc). There was even a case of a Norwegian woman who fled to Poland recently to avoid her authorities taking her kids and subsequently sought asylum, created quite a stir in our media. (She was granted).

    But Poland has one distinct disadvantage which makes all those advantages appear fleeting: it is extremely dependent on the US, which in turn is extremely hostile to whites. Therefore, its long-term options are quite limited unless China would somehow extend its reach into Europe (very unlikely) and/or Europe itself uncucks itself and becomes much more nationalist (also unlikely). Even if the latter were to be true, history tells us that nationalists are not exactly great collaborators. So Polish geography would once again become the perennial woe.

    Czechia is an alluring option on the surface. It has the advantages of Poland yet is richer and more liberal in the best sense (gun laws). Though its distance is shrinking. On PPP-adjusted wages, it is already behind us. While Czechia has a better geographic position - and thus more easily be able to withstand ZOG cultural/political pressure in exchange for security - it is still a small country of 10 million. Even if, let's say, it managed to "hold out" it would still be doomed in the long run if the rest of its neighbours fell to the same cancer. Being surrounded demographically by a slow-moving cancer is not a viable long-term strategy.

    My advice to this individual would thus be to look for Russia first and foremost, then Czechia, then Poland. Slovakia is too small and Hungary has too many gypsies. Hungary is also placed most precariously of all the Visegrad nations, given its proximity to the Balkans. So even if the regime is good, there will always be a certain, eh, "spillover" during the summers. Especially as Hungary is getting richer. This will compound itself as the years roll on.

    Ultimately, however, I do not subscribe to 'Eastern Exceptionalism'. Europe will not survive if the West falls, especially since we're so economically interlinked now. I would actually unironically advise said person to even look into Scandinavia. They are whiter today - with the exception of Sweden - than the US was in 1965. Some of them have good homeschooling. Rural Norway, say, need not be a terrible place if you can afford it and the kids don't mind the countryside. I'd even look into Iceland. Poz is a factor, but can be neutralised somewhat by where you are and taking your kids out of public schools.

    But ultimately, I do not believe that running away is an option for most people and for most countries. Borders are too porous, and so are ideas. This may not be what the person in mind wanted to hear, but it is the unvarnished truth, at least as I see it.

    I believe there are several instances in scifi where there is a deepspace-faring era in which the world is mostly united, but with one holdout – the Russian Federation (or substitute word.)

    I’d always scorned the idea that scifi writers were genius-level prognosticators, but there might be a grain of truth in the idea that Russia has some potentiality for independence from a New World Order.

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    We do have an extra chromosome setting us apart from the human race.
  16. @TomSchmidt
    Isn't there a remnant German-speaking part of Poland in Silesia, near Oppoln? I would think that that place might be one of the few that German culture survives, protected by minority rights in Poland. Maybe Austria, too.

    Germany might right itself, but my hopes aren't great.

    Isn’t there a remnant German-speaking part of Poland in Silesia, near Oppoln?

    I don’t really know much about it, but I looked it up and you’re right, there’s still a German minority there (estimated at about 300 000, though I suppose it might be lower in reality).
    I doubt Poles would be thrilled though about Germans moving en masse to Poland, that would probably bring up unpleasant historical memories.

    Germany might right itself, but my hopes aren’t great.

    Mine aren’t either, but running away isn’t really a solution.

    • Replies: @songbird
    The Reconquista was facilitated by people fleeing North. Of course, we are not at Zimbabwe-level yet, but many people there foolishly decided to stay. Not that I'm saying many people aren't cowards, but just that there might be a rational time to leave. If I were in SA, I'd definitely try to leave, and probably would have once Rhodesia fell. Those people were looked down upon and called traitors.

    What is that time? And is a reconquista even possible? Is Eastern Europe even safe? Of these things I have no idea.

    Edgar Rice Burroughs (if I recall) had some vision of civilizational collapse in Europe, back into the stone age. In that story, war was the cause and America had stayed out by complete isolation. The protagonist was met by a Chinese army marching Westward and achieved safety that way. Gives a new meaning to Prester John.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Was surprised in 2008 when staying at a hotel in Nürnberg with the young Polish man who worked there. I'd have expected anger towards Germans, but that was all exhausted I think after the artistic cleansing of Silesia in the four after-war years. What followed was years of Soviet and Russian domination. They might not care for Germans, but their enmity mostly aimed at Russia.
  17. @Polish Perspective

    1/5 or so of Poles openly identify as nationalists – though less than 5% actually votes for one of the nationalist parties.
     
    I see you're back to your permabearishness. Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it. In a 99% white country, fault lines will inevitably fall on non-ethnic/racial grounds, which means gender and sexuality.

    a lot of youngsters get all dreamy and wet about getting Poland as diverse as US
     
    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit. I see lots of poles on /pol/. Are these just anecdotes? Statistical surveys would disagree.

    Is it concentrated among the educated elite? Not in my experience. My guess is that you're probably a lecturer in the softer humanities, with its overflow of hyperleftist wahmen.


    Last year I got my first “sexism” accusation in the university (for un-PC speech and writing). I have not got any trouble for that, in fact I would have not even knew about that if I wasn’t interested in the students opinions about me
     
    We do have a budding feminism problem, but one could also view it as the latest manifestation of excessive Polish deference to women, a national trait that even the Chinese commented upon some centuries ago. In other words, it's not so much as an import as an old pathology repackaged in new colors.

    Our “conservatives” are basically old american cucks.
     
    Correction: boomers. Young people are much less religious and thus split into either the left or the hard-right. Most educated young men tend to be libertarian(ish) but with a right-wing bent. That's at least what I see when I hang out with other econ students, engineers, hard sciences etc. Maybe its different for philologists and sociologists, but who gives a shit about those clowns.

    And there is Adamowicz tragical death, which the left is already using as a ram to destroy the steady walls of Polish rightwing fortress.
     
    You can't have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it's a "right-wing fortress". The left are spineless and he deserves the knife, btw.

    My country is being slowly taking over by SJWs
     
    Correction: Poland was wholesale sold to SJWs - or more accurately told, neoliberals - for the last 25 years. The current (weak) government is nevertheless a significant break. Not nearly as radical as I would prefer, but let's not kid ourselves:

    https://i.imgur.com/0lVmc64.png

    What's notable about this march is that the PiS cucks tried to have their own march but it so spectacularly failed and backfired that they had no choice but to give in. This is the best position to be in: where you are not dependent on the major party but have your own grassroots movement outside of it. PiS needs our support and votes, and they know it. And we're not desperate to sell out or to cuck out. When the heat was on days before the march, our guys stood firm and refused to yield, forcing PiS back into the fold. Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.

    I see you’re back to your permabearishness

    You are right. I just can’t see a reason for optimism. Recently I’ve read few articles on DoRzeczy, one not signed by regular publisher, but probably by someone for younger staff – you know, most sites have their young applicants doing this kind of stuff. And those few could be taken straightly from GW, with weasel words suggesting between the lines that rightwing politician was wrong saying something. DoRzeczy is one of the most right-wing papers in Poland!

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis.

    Well, go to r/polska on reddit and look how it looks.

    My guess is that you’re probably a lecturer in the softer humanities

    You are wrong, but sorry, no more details.

    Yes, majority is still right-wing. But the thing is few years ago such thing would be unthinkable. Previously I was freely joking with students and I got always good laughs (even if sometimes they were of the kind “oh-no-I-can’t-believe-you-said-it”). My bosses were quite based by our standards. And now.. the bosses are old and they retire one by one. Plus, within past few years few things happened which I would thought would be impossible in Polish university, including bowing to SJW on one of conferences organized by my colleagues.

    You can’t have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it’s a “right-wing fortress”.

    Hey, I haven’t said there are no conservatives. I’ve only said they look as conservatives in USA from 30 years ago or maybe 20: basically, cucks by modern standards. Sure, immigration is bad which is why we need more immigrants from Philippines, because those are catholics and will integrate. And Vietnamese, because… I don’t know why. Then they put a strong, verbal opposition to “Konwencja antyprzemocowa” but then they signed it anyway.

    RIght-wing fortress – because it seems we have conservative society now, with a lot of seemingly hardliners in politics – but heck, when you look at it more closely, a lot of them would condemn evil nationalist, would declare their love for progressive values and will do anything to avoid the “fascist” label.

    Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it.

    If there will be a real need for it, it would be already too late. Within last few years the number of non-whites I met on everyday occassions in trams/busses rised significantly. My friends are telling me that there is huge increase of number of Hindu in the industry.

    Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.

    Thanks for the advice. Just because I am pessimistic (I would rather say: realist) on English-language blog (meaning, not really read by Polish audience) it means I have no spine? (and, BTW, if you mean “them” by ONR I do not even like them taht much. I think we are on the same side, simply)

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @szopen
    Hmmm one retraction: I can't find those DoRzeczy articles; possibly they were modified, with weasel words removed, which would be a good sign...
    , @AquariusAnon
    I've heard about Poland starting to become more and more nonwhite in 2015, and since 2017 the rise of nonwhites has been very significant.

    I know that low class Indians who wear sandals even when it snows are the biggest problem, who mostly do stuff like deliver UberEats, and have already been caught trying to rape women.

    Overall, the post-2015 permanent resident nonwhites have reached 30,000, mostly consisting of Indians, Pakistanis, and Filipinos, while the existing Vietnamese, Chechen, and smattering of Chinese and Arabs number around 40,000. So 70,000 overall permanent nonwhite residents in Poland. Can any Polish members confirm those figures?

    But for those of us who are either international businessmen or high level white collars workers in general, Warsaw seems to be the most economically dynamic business city in the V4, and second richest on a per capita basis after Prague.

    In terms of wages and amenities, my guess would be that Moscow is essentially Warsaw levels but at the size of a megacity. As far as I know, applying for multinational corporate jobs in Moscow require business-levels of Russian. It also doesn't seem like a good place for an international businessman to set up main headquarters for now.

    And if the US goes on a messianic hysteria against Russia (e.g. designing it as a state sponsor of terror and institute an embargo on trade and large scale third party sanctions) and the EU meekly follows, those multinational corporate jobs will likely dry up as they get forced to divest their assets. And in this case, forget about making an international business work: That would be about as difficult and raise as much scrutiny as running an international business based out of Tehran nowadays. Russia's economy will crater and Moscow's vibe will likely revert to something more resembling the Soviet era in this case.

  18. “However, Czechia is not a socially conservative country like Poland, …”
    This is an understatement. In many aspects it is even more liberal than much of the West (https://www.businessinsider.com/map-divorce-rates-around-the-world-2014-5). Children grow up in a land of broken families. Some even notice and complain (https://www.idnes.cz/zpravy/domaci/petr-martinek-zlaty-amos-ucitel-oceneni.A180314_142627_domaci_nub – just 30% from intact families). And it is only getting worse.
    Good for PUAs and low paternal investment men, not for raising a family.

    Gun laws are for now liberal, for sure, but not for long. There has been a “harmonization” current EU directives and other will follow.

    • Replies: @Beckow

    ...Czechia is not a socially conservative country like Poland, …”
    This is an understatement. In many aspects it is even more liberal than much of the West
     
    We have a mixing of terms here that doesn't translate well into how Westerners think. Czechs are permissive and tolerant of almost everything, but have a conservative core set of beliefs. Because of the disastrous Habsburg policies forcing Catholicism on Czechs starting in the early 17th century, most Czechs will simply never identify as 'Christians' (there is a small Catholic activist minority mostly in the east in Moravia). There is also an attitude that one's private life is his/her business. But on most key issues that are relevant today Czechs are very solidly old-fashioned and conservative and have always been. SJWs attitudes only play well with the usual big city opportunists, mostly in Prague.
  19. Hungary: lowest level of English and difficult language are very positive in the abstract. It means it is not as connected into the decadent, globalist brainwashing apparatus.

    • Replies: @Gerard2

    Hungary: lowest level of English and difficult language are very positive in the abstract. It means it is not as connected into the decadent, globalist brainwashing apparatus.
     
    Many English go there for complex dentistry! It's a fully western country.
    the term "liberal democracy" is a disgusting misnomer. Only "democracy" is a term...of which Hungary fully is.
    They do have the worst health though of people in that area-- heavy drinking and smoking , comparatively
  20. @Dmitry
    Moscow is now in economic development, infrastructure, education, etc, at the level of Germany. And equally, has its famous liberal politics in central Moscow (elite areas) which is probably similar to equivalent German cities .

    Westerners who like Moscow, are surely not there because of its politics (liberal in elite areas, probably just like in Frankfurt), but because it is the economically successful vast metropolis, the largest city of all Europe, with the culture, shopping and amenities you can expect for a huge city - and Western workers/businessmen also likely have a high-salary job so they can afford the good restaurants.

    Equally, people are not moving to Western Europe because of politics or gay parades (except for a few political activists). They move to Western Europe because of the career opportunities. It's why so many people with higher education are going away.

    To some extent, but I believe that you still overstate how liberal Moscow is. With national support for gay marriage no higher than 10%, it is simply impossible for Moscow to be above 30%.

    I just checked and I am correct.

    Высокую поддержку однополых браков высказывали жители крупных городов: 29,3 % в Москве в 2005 году[155], 34 % в Санкт-Петербурге в 2008 году[159], 21 % москвичей и петербуржцев в 2011 году[156].

    Moscow: 29% in 2005; 21% in 2011
    SPB: 34% in 2008, 21% in 2011

    Must be even lower now, since all-Russian support for gay marriage collapsed from low to minimal in the past decade.

    I allow that support for gay marriage is at 30% in the Tverskaya district, and that the polling stations at places like PhysTech, MSU, and HSE would register 50% support in the event of a referendum.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Sure, but I don't think many Westerners will be going into Moscow for local politics, which is not so different (if they can be in the centre) from those of their own cities (Frankfurt, Vienna, Milan, etc).

    Westerners (and other nationalities) like to live in Moscow, because it's a mostly developed place nowadays in all the fields of metropolis of a first world Europe.

    I'm not sure gay marriage an important topic which affects more than 2% of the population. It's only used by Western propaganda as an excuse to criticize Russia. (In America itself, Obama/Clinton even oppose gay marriage, until there was some change of American "Weltanschauung").

  21. @szopen

    I see you’re back to your permabearishness
     
    You are right. I just can't see a reason for optimism. Recently I've read few articles on DoRzeczy, one not signed by regular publisher, but probably by someone for younger staff - you know, most sites have their young applicants doing this kind of stuff. And those few could be taken straightly from GW, with weasel words suggesting between the lines that rightwing politician was wrong saying something. DoRzeczy is one of the most right-wing papers in Poland!

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis.
     
    Well, go to r/polska on reddit and look how it looks.

    My guess is that you’re probably a lecturer in the softer humanities
     
    You are wrong, but sorry, no more details.

    Yes, majority is still right-wing. But the thing is few years ago such thing would be unthinkable. Previously I was freely joking with students and I got always good laughs (even if sometimes they were of the kind "oh-no-I-can't-believe-you-said-it"). My bosses were quite based by our standards. And now.. the bosses are old and they retire one by one. Plus, within past few years few things happened which I would thought would be impossible in Polish university, including bowing to SJW on one of conferences organized by my colleagues.


    You can’t have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it’s a “right-wing fortress”.
     
    Hey, I haven't said there are no conservatives. I've only said they look as conservatives in USA from 30 years ago or maybe 20: basically, cucks by modern standards. Sure, immigration is bad which is why we need more immigrants from Philippines, because those are catholics and will integrate. And Vietnamese, because... I don't know why. Then they put a strong, verbal opposition to "Konwencja antyprzemocowa" but then they signed it anyway.

    RIght-wing fortress - because it seems we have conservative society now, with a lot of seemingly hardliners in politics - but heck, when you look at it more closely, a lot of them would condemn evil nationalist, would declare their love for progressive values and will do anything to avoid the "fascist" label.


    Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it.
     
    If there will be a real need for it, it would be already too late. Within last few years the number of non-whites I met on everyday occassions in trams/busses rised significantly. My friends are telling me that there is huge increase of number of Hindu in the industry.

    Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.
     
    Thanks for the advice. Just because I am pessimistic (I would rather say: realist) on English-language blog (meaning, not really read by Polish audience) it means I have no spine? (and, BTW, if you mean "them" by ONR I do not even like them taht much. I think we are on the same side, simply)

    Hmmm one retraction: I can’t find those DoRzeczy articles; possibly they were modified, with weasel words removed, which would be a good sign…

  22. What about Belarus, the true last bastion of the white race?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    Belarus is very nice, if a little boring. Misnk definitely has better domestic services than Russia outside of Moscow/Peter. But what happens after Lukashenko is anyone's guess.
  23. @German_reader

    Isn’t there a remnant German-speaking part of Poland in Silesia, near Oppoln?
     
    I don't really know much about it, but I looked it up and you're right, there's still a German minority there (estimated at about 300 000, though I suppose it might be lower in reality).
    I doubt Poles would be thrilled though about Germans moving en masse to Poland, that would probably bring up unpleasant historical memories.

    Germany might right itself, but my hopes aren’t great.
     
    Mine aren't either, but running away isn't really a solution.

    The Reconquista was facilitated by people fleeing North. Of course, we are not at Zimbabwe-level yet, but many people there foolishly decided to stay. Not that I’m saying many people aren’t cowards, but just that there might be a rational time to leave. If I were in SA, I’d definitely try to leave, and probably would have once Rhodesia fell. Those people were looked down upon and called traitors.

    What is that time? And is a reconquista even possible? Is Eastern Europe even safe? Of these things I have no idea.

    Edgar Rice Burroughs (if I recall) had some vision of civilizational collapse in Europe, back into the stone age. In that story, war was the cause and America had stayed out by complete isolation. The protagonist was met by a Chinese army marching Westward and achieved safety that way. Gives a new meaning to Prester John.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    What is that time? And is a reconquista even possible?
     
    Some identitarians in Germany are already thinking about such scenarios:
    https://sezession.de/59595/wenn-aeneas-vor-der-wahl-steht
    It doesn't seem very realistic to me. As for reconquista, that's probably a false analogy (a big part of the reconquista was about reconverting Islamicized Spaniards; a European reconquest in the later 21st or 22nd century would probably be more like a race war).
    , @utu

    Chinese army marching Westward
     
    "Insatiablity" (1927) by Witkiewicz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insatiability
    "The future, circa 2000. Following a battle, modeled after the Bolshevik revolution, Poland is overrun by the army of the last and final Mongol conquests. The nation becomes enslaved to the Chinese leader Murti Bing. His emissaries give everyone a special pill called DAVAMESK B 2 which takes away their abilities to think and to mentally resist. East and West become one, in faceless misery fueled by sexual instincts."
     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Stanisław_Ignacy_Witkiewicz_-_Portret_wielokrotny_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
  24. @songbird
    I believe there are several instances in scifi where there is a deepspace-faring era in which the world is mostly united, but with one holdout - the Russian Federation (or substitute word.)

    I'd always scorned the idea that scifi writers were genius-level prognosticators, but there might be a grain of truth in the idea that Russia has some potentiality for independence from a New World Order.

    We do have an extra chromosome setting us apart from the human race.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  25. @Anatoly Karlin
    To some extent, but I believe that you still overstate how liberal Moscow is. With national support for gay marriage no higher than 10%, it is simply impossible for Moscow to be above 30%.

    I just checked and I am correct.

    Высокую поддержку однополых браков высказывали жители крупных городов: 29,3 % в Москве в 2005 году[155], 34 % в Санкт-Петербурге в 2008 году[159], 21 % москвичей и петербуржцев в 2011 году[156].
     
    Moscow: 29% in 2005; 21% in 2011
    SPB: 34% in 2008, 21% in 2011

    Must be even lower now, since all-Russian support for gay marriage collapsed from low to minimal in the past decade.

    I allow that support for gay marriage is at 30% in the Tverskaya district, and that the polling stations at places like PhysTech, MSU, and HSE would register 50% support in the event of a referendum.

    Sure, but I don’t think many Westerners will be going into Moscow for local politics, which is not so different (if they can be in the centre) from those of their own cities (Frankfurt, Vienna, Milan, etc).

    Westerners (and other nationalities) like to live in Moscow, because it’s a mostly developed place nowadays in all the fields of metropolis of a first world Europe.

    I’m not sure gay marriage an important topic which affects more than 2% of the population. It’s only used by Western propaganda as an excuse to criticize Russia. (In America itself, Obama/Clinton even oppose gay marriage, until there was some change of American “Weltanschauung”).

  26. @songbird
    The Reconquista was facilitated by people fleeing North. Of course, we are not at Zimbabwe-level yet, but many people there foolishly decided to stay. Not that I'm saying many people aren't cowards, but just that there might be a rational time to leave. If I were in SA, I'd definitely try to leave, and probably would have once Rhodesia fell. Those people were looked down upon and called traitors.

    What is that time? And is a reconquista even possible? Is Eastern Europe even safe? Of these things I have no idea.

    Edgar Rice Burroughs (if I recall) had some vision of civilizational collapse in Europe, back into the stone age. In that story, war was the cause and America had stayed out by complete isolation. The protagonist was met by a Chinese army marching Westward and achieved safety that way. Gives a new meaning to Prester John.

    What is that time? And is a reconquista even possible?

    Some identitarians in Germany are already thinking about such scenarios:
    https://sezession.de/59595/wenn-aeneas-vor-der-wahl-steht
    It doesn’t seem very realistic to me. As for reconquista, that’s probably a false analogy (a big part of the reconquista was about reconverting Islamicized Spaniards; a European reconquest in the later 21st or 22nd century would probably be more like a race war).

  27. @The Big Red Scary
    Of Eastern European countries, I've only spent a significant amount of time in Russia (a number of years now) and can say that it is indeed a fine place for a sane person to raise a family. One point of which people should be aware, though, is that if you are religious, you are better off belonging to one of the "traditional" religions of Russia than to a foreign one, in which case you might find yourself rather isolated.

    One point of which people should be aware, though, is that if you are religious, you are better off belonging to one of the “traditional” religions of Russia than to a foreign one, in which case you might find yourself rather isolated.

    If you do not preach your religion, then your religion is of no interest to anyone.

  28. Ukraine

    As a young downshifter who wants to live like a king on pennies in a Western currency and run game in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov? Sure, go for it. As a stable destination for family emigration, at least as of this time – nope.

    True of those places, but you left off Lviv, which is like Poland culturally (conservative, church-going, low violent crime) but as cheap as the rest of Ukraine and far cheaper than Poland, allowing one to live like a king. Good schools. Also, pro-American. Basically Visegrad minus 5-10 years in culture and quality, but on the budget of the deepest and cheapest Russian province.

    Minuses: Lviv only has about 800,000 people in the metro area, it is much smaller than Warsaw, Krakow, Budapest or Prague. This may make permanent settlement boring for people used to bigger cities (Slovakia’s capital is even smaller than Lviv but it is close Vienna; Lviv is 3.5 hours and an inconvenient border away from Krakow. 5.5 hours to Warsaw). More corrupt than Visegrad, though not as bad as other parts of Ukraine. Russophiles with an aversion to Bandera will be triggered often.

    • Replies: @Adam
    How do people in Lviv react to Russian speakers (particularly those who are obviously not native speakers)? Can you get by with English? I would like to visit Western Ukraine, but not enough that'd I learn to speak Ukrainian.
  29. @songbird
    The Reconquista was facilitated by people fleeing North. Of course, we are not at Zimbabwe-level yet, but many people there foolishly decided to stay. Not that I'm saying many people aren't cowards, but just that there might be a rational time to leave. If I were in SA, I'd definitely try to leave, and probably would have once Rhodesia fell. Those people were looked down upon and called traitors.

    What is that time? And is a reconquista even possible? Is Eastern Europe even safe? Of these things I have no idea.

    Edgar Rice Burroughs (if I recall) had some vision of civilizational collapse in Europe, back into the stone age. In that story, war was the cause and America had stayed out by complete isolation. The protagonist was met by a Chinese army marching Westward and achieved safety that way. Gives a new meaning to Prester John.

    Chinese army marching Westward

    “Insatiablity” (1927) by Witkiewicz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insatiability
    “The future, circa 2000. Following a battle, modeled after the Bolshevik revolution, Poland is overrun by the army of the last and final Mongol conquests. The nation becomes enslaved to the Chinese leader Murti Bing. His emissaries give everyone a special pill called DAVAMESK B 2 which takes away their abilities to think and to mentally resist. East and West become one, in faceless misery fueled by sexual instincts.”

    • Replies: @songbird
    The Yellow Peril seems so wonderfully quaint now, like a Norman Rockwell painting before he cucked and became a negrophile. Of course, I wasn't a GI at the Yalu River in 1950.

    But, anyway, I shall have to find and consume some of this old fiction.
  30. @German_reader

    Germany’s recent moves in criminalizing homeschooling anytime
     
    those aren't recent moves, it's been banned since at least the Weimar republic and there has never been a homeschooling culture in modern Germany.
    As for the topic of emigration, one reads a lot of that on German internet forums as well; imo it's mostly posturing and indulging a pointless fantasy, also somewhat cowardly tbh. Emigration isn't a realistic prospect for most Westerners, and if there really was a mass exodus of Westerners to Eastern Europe, it might well arouse the resentment of the locals (would certainly be the case with Germans in Poland or the Czech republic; and tbh, given how obnoxious Americans can be, they might not be that popular either). Cultural differences between different European nations are hardly irrelevant.
    And the way things are going, there's no guarantee one will be safe from the coming storms in Eastern Europe anyway, as you're correctly pointing out.

    Every year or so, a diverse immigrant American basketball player get into a conflict with the local Gypsies, and gets stabbed. Their teams are usually in second or third tier in Romania. Last year’s victim was begging for money for the return ticket. So I guess they are just regular Americans, without any special gift for basketball, and without any propensity for obnoxiousness above the average American. And, yes, they are unpleasant.

    Also, we might be at peak gringo. There’s a billion Frenchies in Bucharest, patronizing us with their “education” which gets them best management jobs in MNCs. There are even more Germans in the villages, demanding subsidies from local authorities and EU alike for “sustainable agriculture”. (Read: low-yield, money-losing wank-about farming.) Everybody learns English in school. For those who afford them, au pairs come from Moldova. (Fairly poor idea, since they pack up and leave for Italy in a few months.) What could an American do in a useful manner and at a decent pace in Romania?

    I reject the idea that Gypsies are the worst thing about Romania. We have quite a few Jewish “businessmen”. I’d rather give my wallet every year to a Gyppo, instead of paying flat tax. And that’s only the legal part.

  31. One more thing. While I understand why Anatoly gets worked up about Article 282, I think it is rather unlikely to affect someone who’s main goal is to immigrate to Russia in order to escape the Apozcalypse.
    Just don’t be a jackass and post videos of yourself playing Pokemon in church and you’ll be alright.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    I think I am just being responsible.

    If he's a mostly apolitical family guy who wants to get away from poz, focus on his children, honor God, and crack a joke about the 666 genders, then sure, Article 282 is irrelevant.

    But if he is also the kind of person who poasts on nationalist or racialist themes on social media, then it needs to be mentioned.
  32. While the first-order effects of gypsies are quite negative, their presence may have the positive second-order effect of inoculating the local population against a pro-diversity agenda. It’s hard to quantify the size of this effect, but even the pro-Western youth in Balkan countries hate gypsies. If there’s a reason to be optimistic about the Balkans (as well as Hungary and Slovakia, which have comparable gypsy populations), that would be it.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    The American I met in Romania at my friend's wedding was a dyed in the wool liberal who took #BLM seriously but went full 14/88 when the conversation shifted to Gypsies.
    , @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle
    The long and brutal history under the ottoman yoke is a vaccine against getting misty eyed about muslim migrants. The people in the Balkans know exactly what dhimmitude actually entails.
  33. “Now resistance to the Poz basically consists of an inchoate array of populist reactions, with no coherent ideology underlying them. Will this reaction succeed? Or is this tradition’s last gasp before it is swept away?”

    Correct. No ideology and nobody can really formulate one.

  34. @AP

    Ukraine

    As a young downshifter who wants to live like a king on pennies in a Western currency and run game in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov? Sure, go for it. As a stable destination for family emigration, at least as of this time – nope.
     

    True of those places, but you left off Lviv, which is like Poland culturally (conservative, church-going, low violent crime) but as cheap as the rest of Ukraine and far cheaper than Poland, allowing one to live like a king. Good schools. Also, pro-American. Basically Visegrad minus 5-10 years in culture and quality, but on the budget of the deepest and cheapest Russian province.

    Minuses: Lviv only has about 800,000 people in the metro area, it is much smaller than Warsaw, Krakow, Budapest or Prague. This may make permanent settlement boring for people used to bigger cities (Slovakia's capital is even smaller than Lviv but it is close Vienna; Lviv is 3.5 hours and an inconvenient border away from Krakow. 5.5 hours to Warsaw). More corrupt than Visegrad, though not as bad as other parts of Ukraine. Russophiles with an aversion to Bandera will be triggered often.

    How do people in Lviv react to Russian speakers (particularly those who are obviously not native speakers)? Can you get by with English? I would like to visit Western Ukraine, but not enough that’d I learn to speak Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @AP
    I visited Lviv with my wife, and in her company we all speak Russian (my family in Lviv doesn't speak English). Once or twice we got some dirty looks. English-speakers are probably treated worse in Quebec than are Russian-speakers in Lviv. And if it's obvious you are a foreigner I can't see much of a problem, unless you get into political debates with people and take Russia's side.

    Lviv attracts a lot of Russian-speaking tourists from Kiev (I suspect - due to hryvnia devaluation people who aren't willing to go to Prague for a weekend anymore substitute with Lviv) so the Russian language is not that rare in the city. When I was there in 2017 some guy was playing "Russian rock" with a guitar (Makarevich, but he sped it up and made it sound better than the original) in the market square, nobody complained.
  35. @German_reader

    Isn’t there a remnant German-speaking part of Poland in Silesia, near Oppoln?
     
    I don't really know much about it, but I looked it up and you're right, there's still a German minority there (estimated at about 300 000, though I suppose it might be lower in reality).
    I doubt Poles would be thrilled though about Germans moving en masse to Poland, that would probably bring up unpleasant historical memories.

    Germany might right itself, but my hopes aren’t great.
     
    Mine aren't either, but running away isn't really a solution.

    Was surprised in 2008 when staying at a hotel in Nürnberg with the young Polish man who worked there. I’d have expected anger towards Germans, but that was all exhausted I think after the artistic cleansing of Silesia in the four after-war years. What followed was years of Soviet and Russian domination. They might not care for Germans, but their enmity mostly aimed at Russia.

  36. @The Big Red Scary
    One more thing. While I understand why Anatoly gets worked up about Article 282, I think it is rather unlikely to affect someone who's main goal is to immigrate to Russia in order to escape the Apozcalypse.
    Just don't be a jackass and post videos of yourself playing Pokemon in church and you'll be alright.

    I think I am just being responsible.

    If he’s a mostly apolitical family guy who wants to get away from poz, focus on his children, honor God, and crack a joke about the 666 genders, then sure, Article 282 is irrelevant.

    But if he is also the kind of person who poasts on nationalist or racialist themes on social media, then it needs to be mentioned.

  37. @Anonym.
    While the first-order effects of gypsies are quite negative, their presence may have the positive second-order effect of inoculating the local population against a pro-diversity agenda. It's hard to quantify the size of this effect, but even the pro-Western youth in Balkan countries hate gypsies. If there's a reason to be optimistic about the Balkans (as well as Hungary and Slovakia, which have comparable gypsy populations), that would be it.

    The American I met in Romania at my friend’s wedding was a dyed in the wool liberal who took #BLM seriously but went full 14/88 when the conversation shifted to Gypsies.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    Doesn't that go for virtually anyone in Europe? I've heard it even from Swedes.
  38. Anatoly, please don’t dismiss the Balkans so fast. I’m a North American with a family living in the Balkans. Compared to Ukraine, Bulgaria, Croatia and Montenego are fine. I have lived and stayed in each country. Nearly all Bulgarians hate gypsies, (Roma) still here that aren’t running scams in Western Europe. Also they mainly stay in their ghettos for the most part. As long as you ignore the government and work for yourself or have an income around $1500+ it is relatively cheap and has low taxes and no inheritance taxes. They are NATO cucks but not very important and still Russian friendly. Good alternative to Visegrad and with great Beaches and southern European pace with some Sovoks still around. Wife works with native 20’s and 30’s. Most did study abroad in USA. Most Hate blacks and Latinos and muzzies (rapefugees),so not Sjw yet. 😉

    • Replies: @Adam
    Isn't there a substantial Russian community in Bulgaria? It can't be that bad.
  39. @BGReader
    Anatoly, please don't dismiss the Balkans so fast. I'm a North American with a family living in the Balkans. Compared to Ukraine, Bulgaria, Croatia and Montenego are fine. I have lived and stayed in each country. Nearly all Bulgarians hate gypsies, (Roma) still here that aren't running scams in Western Europe. Also they mainly stay in their ghettos for the most part. As long as you ignore the government and work for yourself or have an income around $1500+ it is relatively cheap and has low taxes and no inheritance taxes. They are NATO cucks but not very important and still Russian friendly. Good alternative to Visegrad and with great Beaches and southern European pace with some Sovoks still around. Wife works with native 20's and 30's. Most did study abroad in USA. Most Hate blacks and Latinos and muzzies (rapefugees),so not Sjw yet. 😉

    Isn’t there a substantial Russian community in Bulgaria? It can’t be that bad.

    • Replies: @BGReader
    Yes around 17,000, not only Russians, also Kazakh, Ukrainian, Belarussian and Moldovans mainly along the Black Sea coast. All ages and many open a small business. About 3000 Brits too, mainly retirees.
  40. …Unlike Czechia, Slovakia is socially conservative.

    True, although not as conservative as Poland. The issue in Slovakia is the gap between the Bratislava region (south-west) and the rest. Bratislava is great in terms of quality of life and logistics – 30 minutes from the Vienna airport, but it is often a liberal cesspool full of aspiring wannabes who regularly demonstrate for ‘decency‘. They have moved on from their previous crazy obsessions like pro-EU, pro-rainbow, anti-corruption, to just marching for ‘decency‘. Probably because they keep on losing elections to the dreaded ‘populists‘, maybe they can fool enough people with ‘we stand for decency‘ (I wonder how long it took some marketing NGO wizzard to come up with that slogan). Like all big cities in eastern Europe it is also a comprador central. That can be amusing, some of the accents are beyond comedy, but the general ‘we are for sale‘ vibe can get old.

    Generally one has a choice between a metropolitan environment with good economy and plenty of culture, but with many of the same pathologies that plague the West, and a conservative, pleasant life outside of big cities that can be isolating.

    I would still say that Slovakia is very well positioned for the future. It is not too small – 5.5 million is within what I consider an ideal size for a country of 3 to 20 million people – it has great infrastructure, low crime, mountains, booming economy and a very good geographic location. It has been demographically very stable with decent family life and almost no migrant populations (there are some Gypsies in the east). Most of Slovakia looks like Europe did a generation or two ago. If we keep the Merkel-Macron migrating hordes out (big if), and avoid a war in the east, it will slowly get better. One fear are the secondary migrants from the West – all the existing migrants in the West who might start moving east and establish footholds for their tribal countrymen to join them later. Maybe our difficult language, low social benefits and the unpleasant byrocracy (oh, yeah, the Habsburg-communist-old lazy ladies byrocracy is quite a thing here) will protect us. And the poppy-seed cakes are incredible.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    Slovakia is actually not a bad choice: For those of us who either work high powered white collared jobs or are international businessmen, working out of Vienna and commuting daily to/from Bratislava sounds doable, if just a tad tiring.
  41. @Bao Jiankang
    Wouldn't the best place for western traditionalists be scandinavia? Yes it's very liberal and PC and they have some immigrants, but their welfare state makes having large families very affordable.

    Th only western traditionalist are groups like the mormons. 'Western trads'/ white nats talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. Serious nationalists like the early zionists understand the importance of fertility even if they don't have much money for each kid (kids have to share a bedroom, boo hoo). Most white nats/ trads are NEETs.

    The only westerners who move to EE are PUAs in search of poosy paradise. These PUAs live a promiscous non-monogamous lifestyle and complain that western women are not trad. What a joke!

    If you enjoy the NEET life and having casual sex then just embrace it. Nothing wrong with it.

    No actual western nat is moving to EE.

    “Wouldn’t the best place for western traditionalists be scandinavia? Yes it’s very liberal and PC and they have some immigrants”

    SOME??

    China has SOME immigrants. Sweden is swarming with them, including rapey Somalis, grenade toting Arabs, stabby Afghans, etc.

    Why the hell would you recommend any western European country for raising families while there are muslim rape gangs running around in all of them?

    • Replies: @BGReader
    As for Scandinavia, Finland is the best choice up north, there is a gowing nationalist movement and some teens were recently raped by (refugees) and the narrative has started to shift the last 2 years. President said refugees that don't respect Finnish values are unwelcome.
  42. @Adam
    Isn't there a substantial Russian community in Bulgaria? It can't be that bad.

    Yes around 17,000, not only Russians, also Kazakh, Ukrainian, Belarussian and Moldovans mainly along the Black Sea coast. All ages and many open a small business. About 3000 Brits too, mainly retirees.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    Personally, I like Bulgaria. I am more relaxed there than most places. But Canada has plenty of room and First World living. Western Canada is quite conservative.
  43. @utu

    Chinese army marching Westward
     
    "Insatiablity" (1927) by Witkiewicz

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insatiability
    "The future, circa 2000. Following a battle, modeled after the Bolshevik revolution, Poland is overrun by the army of the last and final Mongol conquests. The nation becomes enslaved to the Chinese leader Murti Bing. His emissaries give everyone a special pill called DAVAMESK B 2 which takes away their abilities to think and to mentally resist. East and West become one, in faceless misery fueled by sexual instincts."
     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Stanisław_Ignacy_Witkiewicz_-_Portret_wielokrotny_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg

    The Yellow Peril seems so wonderfully quaint now, like a Norman Rockwell painting before he cucked and became a negrophile. Of course, I wasn’t a GI at the Yalu River in 1950.

    But, anyway, I shall have to find and consume some of this old fiction.

  44. How about Croatia?
    Stunning scenery and ancient cities, plus sunshine of the kind you never see in the Baltic region. Probably the most beautiful country in EE.
    Nearby Slovenia is basically a slavic-speaking austrian province located in bucolic mountains and with a GDP/capita higher than Portugal.
    I have to say that I know nothing of the internal politics in these 2 countries so I have no idea of how “based” they are.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    Croatia seems too small. Only 4.2 million people and declining, with Zagreb having a metro population of only 1.1 million.

    Split is much smaller and overrun with tourists. Though it has nothing on Dubrovnik, which is a de facto Anglosphere outpost nowadays. Mobs of Australians for some reason (and lots of Americans) in addition to the usual Brits.

    In terms of corruption and economic development, I guess its like a smaller Hungary minus the towns most affected by the Balkan War, some of which still look apocalyptic. I've also heard that its rather neoliberal too. Not sure about its gypsy population.
  45. @szopen

    I see you’re back to your permabearishness
     
    You are right. I just can't see a reason for optimism. Recently I've read few articles on DoRzeczy, one not signed by regular publisher, but probably by someone for younger staff - you know, most sites have their young applicants doing this kind of stuff. And those few could be taken straightly from GW, with weasel words suggesting between the lines that rightwing politician was wrong saying something. DoRzeczy is one of the most right-wing papers in Poland!

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis.
     
    Well, go to r/polska on reddit and look how it looks.

    My guess is that you’re probably a lecturer in the softer humanities
     
    You are wrong, but sorry, no more details.

    Yes, majority is still right-wing. But the thing is few years ago such thing would be unthinkable. Previously I was freely joking with students and I got always good laughs (even if sometimes they were of the kind "oh-no-I-can't-believe-you-said-it"). My bosses were quite based by our standards. And now.. the bosses are old and they retire one by one. Plus, within past few years few things happened which I would thought would be impossible in Polish university, including bowing to SJW on one of conferences organized by my colleagues.


    You can’t have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it’s a “right-wing fortress”.
     
    Hey, I haven't said there are no conservatives. I've only said they look as conservatives in USA from 30 years ago or maybe 20: basically, cucks by modern standards. Sure, immigration is bad which is why we need more immigrants from Philippines, because those are catholics and will integrate. And Vietnamese, because... I don't know why. Then they put a strong, verbal opposition to "Konwencja antyprzemocowa" but then they signed it anyway.

    RIght-wing fortress - because it seems we have conservative society now, with a lot of seemingly hardliners in politics - but heck, when you look at it more closely, a lot of them would condemn evil nationalist, would declare their love for progressive values and will do anything to avoid the "fascist" label.


    Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it.
     
    If there will be a real need for it, it would be already too late. Within last few years the number of non-whites I met on everyday occassions in trams/busses rised significantly. My friends are telling me that there is huge increase of number of Hindu in the industry.

    Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.
     
    Thanks for the advice. Just because I am pessimistic (I would rather say: realist) on English-language blog (meaning, not really read by Polish audience) it means I have no spine? (and, BTW, if you mean "them" by ONR I do not even like them taht much. I think we are on the same side, simply)

    I’ve heard about Poland starting to become more and more nonwhite in 2015, and since 2017 the rise of nonwhites has been very significant.

    I know that low class Indians who wear sandals even when it snows are the biggest problem, who mostly do stuff like deliver UberEats, and have already been caught trying to rape women.

    Overall, the post-2015 permanent resident nonwhites have reached 30,000, mostly consisting of Indians, Pakistanis, and Filipinos, while the existing Vietnamese, Chechen, and smattering of Chinese and Arabs number around 40,000. So 70,000 overall permanent nonwhite residents in Poland. Can any Polish members confirm those figures?

    But for those of us who are either international businessmen or high level white collars workers in general, Warsaw seems to be the most economically dynamic business city in the V4, and second richest on a per capita basis after Prague.

    In terms of wages and amenities, my guess would be that Moscow is essentially Warsaw levels but at the size of a megacity. As far as I know, applying for multinational corporate jobs in Moscow require business-levels of Russian. It also doesn’t seem like a good place for an international businessman to set up main headquarters for now.

    And if the US goes on a messianic hysteria against Russia (e.g. designing it as a state sponsor of terror and institute an embargo on trade and large scale third party sanctions) and the EU meekly follows, those multinational corporate jobs will likely dry up as they get forced to divest their assets. And in this case, forget about making an international business work: That would be about as difficult and raise as much scrutiny as running an international business based out of Tehran nowadays. Russia’s economy will crater and Moscow’s vibe will likely revert to something more resembling the Soviet era in this case.

    • Replies: @Dante
    You can find immigrant population statistics at migracje.gov.pl, The non Europeans are still few in number and the vast majority of permanent immigrants are other Europeans ( same with temporary Immigrants ). Cheers

    Sorry about repeating myself but I forgot to click reply earlier on.

  46. @jbwilson24
    "Wouldn’t the best place for western traditionalists be scandinavia? Yes it’s very liberal and PC and they have some immigrants"

    SOME??

    China has SOME immigrants. Sweden is swarming with them, including rapey Somalis, grenade toting Arabs, stabby Afghans, etc.

    Why the hell would you recommend any western European country for raising families while there are muslim rape gangs running around in all of them?

    As for Scandinavia, Finland is the best choice up north, there is a gowing nationalist movement and some teens were recently raped by (refugees) and the narrative has started to shift the last 2 years. President said refugees that don’t respect Finnish values are unwelcome.

  47. @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle
    How about Croatia?
    Stunning scenery and ancient cities, plus sunshine of the kind you never see in the Baltic region. Probably the most beautiful country in EE.
    Nearby Slovenia is basically a slavic-speaking austrian province located in bucolic mountains and with a GDP/capita higher than Portugal.
    I have to say that I know nothing of the internal politics in these 2 countries so I have no idea of how "based" they are.

    Croatia seems too small. Only 4.2 million people and declining, with Zagreb having a metro population of only 1.1 million.

    Split is much smaller and overrun with tourists. Though it has nothing on Dubrovnik, which is a de facto Anglosphere outpost nowadays. Mobs of Australians for some reason (and lots of Americans) in addition to the usual Brits.

    In terms of corruption and economic development, I guess its like a smaller Hungary minus the towns most affected by the Balkan War, some of which still look apocalyptic. I’ve also heard that its rather neoliberal too. Not sure about its gypsy population.

    • Replies: @Volvoks
    City which has 800k in urban area is not really that small by European standards. Croatia is not that neoliberal, on societal issues it is to the right of Czech Republic of Slovakia. Church is still rather influential and Croatia amd Slovenia are the only two countries that successfully banned gay marriage through the referendum. Economically, it is similar to the Hungary, yeah. Infrastructure is rather nice, crime is low. Gypsy problem is miniscule in comparison to Serbia, Czechia or Hungary, not to mention Romania. They are under 1% in Zagreb and literally don't exist in the coastal area.
  48. @Anonym.
    While the first-order effects of gypsies are quite negative, their presence may have the positive second-order effect of inoculating the local population against a pro-diversity agenda. It's hard to quantify the size of this effect, but even the pro-Western youth in Balkan countries hate gypsies. If there's a reason to be optimistic about the Balkans (as well as Hungary and Slovakia, which have comparable gypsy populations), that would be it.

    The long and brutal history under the ottoman yoke is a vaccine against getting misty eyed about muslim migrants. The people in the Balkans know exactly what dhimmitude actually entails.

  49. Not Poland
    https://www.manilatimes.net/poland-needs-filipino-workers/410324/

    Wanting 100, 000 Filipinos to do the jobs that Poles don’t want to do, the end result of this stupidity should be obvious to everyone here.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    What does Poland want to do now? Importing all these Filipinos and low class Indians makes it sound like it wants to become another Hong Kong now.
  50. @Beckow

    ...Unlike Czechia, Slovakia is socially conservative.
     
    True, although not as conservative as Poland. The issue in Slovakia is the gap between the Bratislava region (south-west) and the rest. Bratislava is great in terms of quality of life and logistics - 30 minutes from the Vienna airport, but it is often a liberal cesspool full of aspiring wannabes who regularly demonstrate for 'decency'. They have moved on from their previous crazy obsessions like pro-EU, pro-rainbow, anti-corruption, to just marching for 'decency'. Probably because they keep on losing elections to the dreaded 'populists', maybe they can fool enough people with 'we stand for decency' (I wonder how long it took some marketing NGO wizzard to come up with that slogan). Like all big cities in eastern Europe it is also a comprador central. That can be amusing, some of the accents are beyond comedy, but the general 'we are for sale' vibe can get old.

    Generally one has a choice between a metropolitan environment with good economy and plenty of culture, but with many of the same pathologies that plague the West, and a conservative, pleasant life outside of big cities that can be isolating.

    I would still say that Slovakia is very well positioned for the future. It is not too small - 5.5 million is within what I consider an ideal size for a country of 3 to 20 million people - it has great infrastructure, low crime, mountains, booming economy and a very good geographic location. It has been demographically very stable with decent family life and almost no migrant populations (there are some Gypsies in the east). Most of Slovakia looks like Europe did a generation or two ago. If we keep the Merkel-Macron migrating hordes out (big if), and avoid a war in the east, it will slowly get better. One fear are the secondary migrants from the West - all the existing migrants in the West who might start moving east and establish footholds for their tribal countrymen to join them later. Maybe our difficult language, low social benefits and the unpleasant byrocracy (oh, yeah, the Habsburg-communist-old lazy ladies byrocracy is quite a thing here) will protect us. And the poppy-seed cakes are incredible.

    Slovakia is actually not a bad choice: For those of us who either work high powered white collared jobs or are international businessmen, working out of Vienna and commuting daily to/from Bratislava sounds doable, if just a tad tiring.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    I know some people who do the commute and in general it is not sustainable. Driving doesn't work because of traffic in Vienna. Buses and trains are good and fast but only connect central points. Over time the 60 km (40 miles) separating the city centers along Danube river will probably get developed into a set of interconnected suburbs. But Vienna is quite a Third World city already, this might not be such a good thing.
  51. The fact is that EU countries are not going to be spared invasion from third world migrants.

    Poland: from what I have heard, the Polish government is welcoming in hordes of Pakis, Indians, and others on work visas. Even in this thread a commenter pointed out seeing more non-whites in public places.

    Czechia: there are reports of Arabs moving to villages, purchasing houses and having large families. That is the first wave.

    Hungary: probably safe for now, but while they can refuse migrant transfers, they cannot stop people with EU passports from coming in. Those Arabs and Somalis just have to wait till they obtain said passports. On the plus side, the fertility rate is rebounding.

    Ukraine: depopulating rapidly. A fun place to visit (I have seen every part except for Lviv), but with low fertility and a crashing population they are in trouble. With the Jews running the country, expect a wave of Muslim migrants in the near future.

    Romania: no clue, but the photo above doesn’t look good.

    Balkans: fertility rates 1.4. Go there, raise kids, find that they have no one to play with. No young men to fight the muslim hordes either.

    Call me crazy, but I’ll take Russia. I can live with the Uzbek infiltrators and Chechens. The Chechens and Dagestanis are pains in the ass, but at least I respect them as fighters. There’s not much to respect about Pakis, Afghans or Somalis. The latter are pretty much good for nothing apart from breeding, raping, and taking welfare checks.

    I’d rather live in Irkutsk or Yekaterinburg with relatively undeveloped infrastructure, than in some EU country where I have to live around Pakis, Indians, Somalis or Afghans. Krasnodar, Rostov, Saratov, Novgorod and other cities are perfect livable as long as you aren’t looking for Japanese style infrastructure.

    Maybe it is because I have young kids, but I have to take the 20-40 year view. I don’t want to raise white daughters around third world males, nor do I want my sons to grow up surrounded by atomized western liberals with no sense of culture or in-group preference. Their mother is Russian, their relatives are Russian, they can identify as Russians.

    The Russian fertility rate is not great, but they do have > 100 million people. Sweden? Ireland? Buh bye.

    • Agree: Adam
    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    In fact, I've heard from at least 3 different internet forums excluding this thread that there has been a rapid rise in the Indian/Pakistani population in Poland since 2017.

    Poland seems well on its way to have at least a couple of non-Polish speaking immigrant neighborhoods in Warsaw and Krakow. I see its future demographics resembling Greece or something in terms of immigrant Pakistanis and Indians.
    , @BGReader
    My wife is Ukrainian (Russian) most of the younger Russians that are not "vatniki" want to get out of Russia. Most of the younger people from the former USSR want to leave because they are second class citizens (language policy) in Khazakhstan or economics for Ukraine/Moldova. Most of the Russian speakers I meet in the Blakans/V4 want an EU passport for themselves and their kids! It's not the cities that are empty it is the rest of these countries in Europe, but people are returning with money, some went West and don't like what they saw.
    , @aloisius

    Czechia: there are reports of Arabs moving to villages, purchasing houses and having large families. That is the first wave.
     
    I would very much doubt those reports. There are pretty much no non-europeans in western european villages 60 years after they started to migrate to europe but arabs have now decided they want to move to czhech countryside. That's not realistic.

    There really is no reason for PoC to go to Eastern Europe. They are better off financially in the west, they have their established communities there and the local population is more welcoming.

    what is much more likely to happen is that, as the percentage of non-europeans in western europe increases, most of the recent eastern european immigrants will head back home as it won't be worth it anymore for them. i don't think attitudes on immigration will soften in eastern europe. Western europe will collapse soon enought to discredit the mass non-white immigration model. Probably within 5-10 years.
  52. @neutral
    Not Poland
    https://www.manilatimes.net/poland-needs-filipino-workers/410324/

    Wanting 100, 000 Filipinos to do the jobs that Poles don't want to do, the end result of this stupidity should be obvious to everyone here.

    What does Poland want to do now? Importing all these Filipinos and low class Indians makes it sound like it wants to become another Hong Kong now.

  53. Don’t overdose on those blackpills!

    Just a few dozen dead Yellow Vest, a few Rotherham here and there, a few Trucks-of-Peace-Motorsport events and the sentiment can flipover.

  54. @hadonos
    "However, Czechia is not a socially conservative country like Poland, ..."
    This is an understatement. In many aspects it is even more liberal than much of the West (https://www.businessinsider.com/map-divorce-rates-around-the-world-2014-5). Children grow up in a land of broken families. Some even notice and complain (https://www.idnes.cz/zpravy/domaci/petr-martinek-zlaty-amos-ucitel-oceneni.A180314_142627_domaci_nub - just 30% from intact families). And it is only getting worse.
    Good for PUAs and low paternal investment men, not for raising a family.

    Gun laws are for now liberal, for sure, but not for long. There has been a "harmonization" current EU directives and other will follow.

    …Czechia is not a socially conservative country like Poland, …”
    This is an understatement. In many aspects it is even more liberal than much of the West

    We have a mixing of terms here that doesn’t translate well into how Westerners think. Czechs are permissive and tolerant of almost everything, but have a conservative core set of beliefs. Because of the disastrous Habsburg policies forcing Catholicism on Czechs starting in the early 17th century, most Czechs will simply never identify as ‘Christians‘ (there is a small Catholic activist minority mostly in the east in Moravia). There is also an attitude that one’s private life is his/her business. But on most key issues that are relevant today Czechs are very solidly old-fashioned and conservative and have always been. SJWs attitudes only play well with the usual big city opportunists, mostly in Prague.

  55. @jbwilson24
    The fact is that EU countries are not going to be spared invasion from third world migrants.

    Poland: from what I have heard, the Polish government is welcoming in hordes of Pakis, Indians, and others on work visas. Even in this thread a commenter pointed out seeing more non-whites in public places.

    Czechia: there are reports of Arabs moving to villages, purchasing houses and having large families. That is the first wave.

    Hungary: probably safe for now, but while they can refuse migrant transfers, they cannot stop people with EU passports from coming in. Those Arabs and Somalis just have to wait till they obtain said passports. On the plus side, the fertility rate is rebounding.

    Ukraine: depopulating rapidly. A fun place to visit (I have seen every part except for Lviv), but with low fertility and a crashing population they are in trouble. With the Jews running the country, expect a wave of Muslim migrants in the near future.

    Romania: no clue, but the photo above doesn't look good.

    Balkans: fertility rates 1.4. Go there, raise kids, find that they have no one to play with. No young men to fight the muslim hordes either.

    Call me crazy, but I'll take Russia. I can live with the Uzbek infiltrators and Chechens. The Chechens and Dagestanis are pains in the ass, but at least I respect them as fighters. There's not much to respect about Pakis, Afghans or Somalis. The latter are pretty much good for nothing apart from breeding, raping, and taking welfare checks.

    I'd rather live in Irkutsk or Yekaterinburg with relatively undeveloped infrastructure, than in some EU country where I have to live around Pakis, Indians, Somalis or Afghans. Krasnodar, Rostov, Saratov, Novgorod and other cities are perfect livable as long as you aren't looking for Japanese style infrastructure.

    Maybe it is because I have young kids, but I have to take the 20-40 year view. I don't want to raise white daughters around third world males, nor do I want my sons to grow up surrounded by atomized western liberals with no sense of culture or in-group preference. Their mother is Russian, their relatives are Russian, they can identify as Russians.

    The Russian fertility rate is not great, but they do have > 100 million people. Sweden? Ireland? Buh bye.

    In fact, I’ve heard from at least 3 different internet forums excluding this thread that there has been a rapid rise in the Indian/Pakistani population in Poland since 2017.

    Poland seems well on its way to have at least a couple of non-Polish speaking immigrant neighborhoods in Warsaw and Krakow. I see its future demographics resembling Greece or something in terms of immigrant Pakistanis and Indians.

    • Replies: @BGReader
    Yes, was on vacation in northern Geece last summer. Packs of Bengladeshi and Paki's headed up north. Greeks told me they all have selphones and are waing to be picked up?
    , @neutral
    Poland is following the identical path that Britain and France followed, the trickle of non whites will become a torrent.
  56. @AquariusAnon
    Croatia seems too small. Only 4.2 million people and declining, with Zagreb having a metro population of only 1.1 million.

    Split is much smaller and overrun with tourists. Though it has nothing on Dubrovnik, which is a de facto Anglosphere outpost nowadays. Mobs of Australians for some reason (and lots of Americans) in addition to the usual Brits.

    In terms of corruption and economic development, I guess its like a smaller Hungary minus the towns most affected by the Balkan War, some of which still look apocalyptic. I've also heard that its rather neoliberal too. Not sure about its gypsy population.

    City which has 800k in urban area is not really that small by European standards. Croatia is not that neoliberal, on societal issues it is to the right of Czech Republic of Slovakia. Church is still rather influential and Croatia amd Slovenia are the only two countries that successfully banned gay marriage through the referendum. Economically, it is similar to the Hungary, yeah. Infrastructure is rather nice, crime is low. Gypsy problem is miniscule in comparison to Serbia, Czechia or Hungary, not to mention Romania. They are under 1% in Zagreb and literally don’t exist in the coastal area.

  57. @jbwilson24
    The fact is that EU countries are not going to be spared invasion from third world migrants.

    Poland: from what I have heard, the Polish government is welcoming in hordes of Pakis, Indians, and others on work visas. Even in this thread a commenter pointed out seeing more non-whites in public places.

    Czechia: there are reports of Arabs moving to villages, purchasing houses and having large families. That is the first wave.

    Hungary: probably safe for now, but while they can refuse migrant transfers, they cannot stop people with EU passports from coming in. Those Arabs and Somalis just have to wait till they obtain said passports. On the plus side, the fertility rate is rebounding.

    Ukraine: depopulating rapidly. A fun place to visit (I have seen every part except for Lviv), but with low fertility and a crashing population they are in trouble. With the Jews running the country, expect a wave of Muslim migrants in the near future.

    Romania: no clue, but the photo above doesn't look good.

    Balkans: fertility rates 1.4. Go there, raise kids, find that they have no one to play with. No young men to fight the muslim hordes either.

    Call me crazy, but I'll take Russia. I can live with the Uzbek infiltrators and Chechens. The Chechens and Dagestanis are pains in the ass, but at least I respect them as fighters. There's not much to respect about Pakis, Afghans or Somalis. The latter are pretty much good for nothing apart from breeding, raping, and taking welfare checks.

    I'd rather live in Irkutsk or Yekaterinburg with relatively undeveloped infrastructure, than in some EU country where I have to live around Pakis, Indians, Somalis or Afghans. Krasnodar, Rostov, Saratov, Novgorod and other cities are perfect livable as long as you aren't looking for Japanese style infrastructure.

    Maybe it is because I have young kids, but I have to take the 20-40 year view. I don't want to raise white daughters around third world males, nor do I want my sons to grow up surrounded by atomized western liberals with no sense of culture or in-group preference. Their mother is Russian, their relatives are Russian, they can identify as Russians.

    The Russian fertility rate is not great, but they do have > 100 million people. Sweden? Ireland? Buh bye.

    My wife is Ukrainian (Russian) most of the younger Russians that are not “vatniki” want to get out of Russia. Most of the younger people from the former USSR want to leave because they are second class citizens (language policy) in Khazakhstan or economics for Ukraine/Moldova. Most of the Russian speakers I meet in the Blakans/V4 want an EU passport for themselves and their kids! It’s not the cities that are empty it is the rest of these countries in Europe, but people are returning with money, some went West and don’t like what they saw.

  58. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:

    [MORE]

    Levels of poz

    1: women work vote etc
    2: single mothers
    3: gays
    4: colored
    5: genocide

    Something like that I read awhile back but can’t locate

    Most of ee is level 2 most of we approaching 4 & America headed for 5.

    Fat Karlin WAS playing Pokémon in church, and has now evolved into Cuck Karlin.

    Making posts telling, begging foreign men to come bang his tribe’s women.

    Have some shame, Tfuuu!

  59. @Polish Perspective

    1/5 or so of Poles openly identify as nationalists – though less than 5% actually votes for one of the nationalist parties.
     
    I see you're back to your permabearishness. Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it. In a 99% white country, fault lines will inevitably fall on non-ethnic/racial grounds, which means gender and sexuality.

    a lot of youngsters get all dreamy and wet about getting Poland as diverse as US
     
    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit. I see lots of poles on /pol/. Are these just anecdotes? Statistical surveys would disagree.

    Is it concentrated among the educated elite? Not in my experience. My guess is that you're probably a lecturer in the softer humanities, with its overflow of hyperleftist wahmen.


    Last year I got my first “sexism” accusation in the university (for un-PC speech and writing). I have not got any trouble for that, in fact I would have not even knew about that if I wasn’t interested in the students opinions about me
     
    We do have a budding feminism problem, but one could also view it as the latest manifestation of excessive Polish deference to women, a national trait that even the Chinese commented upon some centuries ago. In other words, it's not so much as an import as an old pathology repackaged in new colors.

    Our “conservatives” are basically old american cucks.
     
    Correction: boomers. Young people are much less religious and thus split into either the left or the hard-right. Most educated young men tend to be libertarian(ish) but with a right-wing bent. That's at least what I see when I hang out with other econ students, engineers, hard sciences etc. Maybe its different for philologists and sociologists, but who gives a shit about those clowns.

    And there is Adamowicz tragical death, which the left is already using as a ram to destroy the steady walls of Polish rightwing fortress.
     
    You can't have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it's a "right-wing fortress". The left are spineless and he deserves the knife, btw.

    My country is being slowly taking over by SJWs
     
    Correction: Poland was wholesale sold to SJWs - or more accurately told, neoliberals - for the last 25 years. The current (weak) government is nevertheless a significant break. Not nearly as radical as I would prefer, but let's not kid ourselves:

    https://i.imgur.com/0lVmc64.png

    What's notable about this march is that the PiS cucks tried to have their own march but it so spectacularly failed and backfired that they had no choice but to give in. This is the best position to be in: where you are not dependent on the major party but have your own grassroots movement outside of it. PiS needs our support and votes, and they know it. And we're not desperate to sell out or to cuck out. When the heat was on days before the march, our guys stood firm and refused to yield, forcing PiS back into the fold. Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.

    [MORE]

    Econ & engineer don’t run society.

    How Sarmatian blood defers to women can only be explained by christcuckery

  60. @AquariusAnon
    In fact, I've heard from at least 3 different internet forums excluding this thread that there has been a rapid rise in the Indian/Pakistani population in Poland since 2017.

    Poland seems well on its way to have at least a couple of non-Polish speaking immigrant neighborhoods in Warsaw and Krakow. I see its future demographics resembling Greece or something in terms of immigrant Pakistanis and Indians.

    Yes, was on vacation in northern Geece last summer. Packs of Bengladeshi and Paki’s headed up north. Greeks told me they all have selphones and are waing to be picked up?

  61. @AquariusAnon
    Slovakia is actually not a bad choice: For those of us who either work high powered white collared jobs or are international businessmen, working out of Vienna and commuting daily to/from Bratislava sounds doable, if just a tad tiring.

    I know some people who do the commute and in general it is not sustainable. Driving doesn’t work because of traffic in Vienna. Buses and trains are good and fast but only connect central points. Over time the 60 km (40 miles) separating the city centers along Danube river will probably get developed into a set of interconnected suburbs. But Vienna is quite a Third World city already, this might not be such a good thing.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    I wonder how nonwhite Vienna really is nowadays.

    Its difficult to obtain demographics of of most European cities (whether its city limits only or the greater urban area, which is more important when it comes to demographics) like you can for US or UK cities.
  62. @Polish Perspective

    1/5 or so of Poles openly identify as nationalists – though less than 5% actually votes for one of the nationalist parties.
     
    I see you're back to your permabearishness. Nationalism in Poland is still quite immature precisely because there is no real need for it. In a 99% white country, fault lines will inevitably fall on non-ethnic/racial grounds, which means gender and sexuality.

    a lot of youngsters get all dreamy and wet about getting Poland as diverse as US
     
    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit. I see lots of poles on /pol/. Are these just anecdotes? Statistical surveys would disagree.

    Is it concentrated among the educated elite? Not in my experience. My guess is that you're probably a lecturer in the softer humanities, with its overflow of hyperleftist wahmen.


    Last year I got my first “sexism” accusation in the university (for un-PC speech and writing). I have not got any trouble for that, in fact I would have not even knew about that if I wasn’t interested in the students opinions about me
     
    We do have a budding feminism problem, but one could also view it as the latest manifestation of excessive Polish deference to women, a national trait that even the Chinese commented upon some centuries ago. In other words, it's not so much as an import as an old pathology repackaged in new colors.

    Our “conservatives” are basically old american cucks.
     
    Correction: boomers. Young people are much less religious and thus split into either the left or the hard-right. Most educated young men tend to be libertarian(ish) but with a right-wing bent. That's at least what I see when I hang out with other econ students, engineers, hard sciences etc. Maybe its different for philologists and sociologists, but who gives a shit about those clowns.

    And there is Adamowicz tragical death, which the left is already using as a ram to destroy the steady walls of Polish rightwing fortress.
     
    You can't have it both ways. First there are barely any conservatives in Poland, you even use scarequotes, and now it's a "right-wing fortress". The left are spineless and he deserves the knife, btw.

    My country is being slowly taking over by SJWs
     
    Correction: Poland was wholesale sold to SJWs - or more accurately told, neoliberals - for the last 25 years. The current (weak) government is nevertheless a significant break. Not nearly as radical as I would prefer, but let's not kid ourselves:

    https://i.imgur.com/0lVmc64.png

    What's notable about this march is that the PiS cucks tried to have their own march but it so spectacularly failed and backfired that they had no choice but to give in. This is the best position to be in: where you are not dependent on the major party but have your own grassroots movement outside of it. PiS needs our support and votes, and they know it. And we're not desperate to sell out or to cuck out. When the heat was on days before the march, our guys stood firm and refused to yield, forcing PiS back into the fold. Maybe you should look to them for some inspiration on how to find a spine.

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit.

    Speaking of reddit, the cucks at /r/europe have banned the Unz Review. Can’t submit articles there or even link to it from the comments.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    Reddit getting more and more useless.
    , @DFH

    extreme bias
     
    Sounds pretty scary! I guess the users of r/europe are delicate flowers who uncritically believe every single thing they read. Actually, that does seem to fit pretty well for reddit users.
  63. @AquariusAnon
    In fact, I've heard from at least 3 different internet forums excluding this thread that there has been a rapid rise in the Indian/Pakistani population in Poland since 2017.

    Poland seems well on its way to have at least a couple of non-Polish speaking immigrant neighborhoods in Warsaw and Krakow. I see its future demographics resembling Greece or something in terms of immigrant Pakistanis and Indians.

    Poland is following the identical path that Britain and France followed, the trickle of non whites will become a torrent.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    I don't think Poland will ever become like Britain or France since it lacked a colonial empire.

    Overall, I think the major economically productive Polish cities (Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw, and maybe Gdansk) will stabilize at Vienna demographics, but swap out Balkanoid swine for Ukrainian svidomy, and swap out Turkish kebab for Indian curry.

    Of course, it will take until 2050 for this to happen, and that's barring any large scale anti-immigrant nationalist uprisings in Western Europe that will have some Euro elites defecting to that side.

  64. @Anatoly Karlin

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit.
     
    Speaking of reddit, the cucks at /r/europe have banned the Unz Review. Can't submit articles there or even link to it from the comments.

    https://i.imgur.com/xs8K5TL.png

    https://i.imgur.com/iw2WIBN.png

    Reddit getting more and more useless.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    What's the point of Reddit anyway? Observing the liberal hivemind in action?
  65. @Beckow
    I know some people who do the commute and in general it is not sustainable. Driving doesn't work because of traffic in Vienna. Buses and trains are good and fast but only connect central points. Over time the 60 km (40 miles) separating the city centers along Danube river will probably get developed into a set of interconnected suburbs. But Vienna is quite a Third World city already, this might not be such a good thing.

    I wonder how nonwhite Vienna really is nowadays.

    Its difficult to obtain demographics of of most European cities (whether its city limits only or the greater urban area, which is more important when it comes to demographics) like you can for US or UK cities.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    Vienna is around 20% non-white, but schools are closer to 50%. There are many bezirks (districts) that have flipped in the last 5 years. As always the real problem are not the initial migrants - who are visible and go through a kind of a screening process. The real issue is chain migration. Each migrant can - and does - bring dozens of relatives, then goes back to 'marry' and bring wife's relatives. It is at this point literally unstoppable - Austria is too humane to question it.

    The reason there are so many Third World kids and old people brought in is that it is an extremely profitable thing to do: all the free social benefits in Austria are linked to either kids or elderly. It is a gold mine for an enterprising Third World hassler. What we have here is a classical parasitic behaviour - find a host, discover a weakness, move in and use the host - repeat for all fellow aspiring parasites. That's why I am rather skeptical about Vienna, and I really like the city, they have missed the boat in the last 5-10 years. It literally could be too late by now.
  66. @neutral
    Poland is following the identical path that Britain and France followed, the trickle of non whites will become a torrent.

    I don’t think Poland will ever become like Britain or France since it lacked a colonial empire.

    Overall, I think the major economically productive Polish cities (Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw, and maybe Gdansk) will stabilize at Vienna demographics, but swap out Balkanoid swine for Ukrainian svidomy, and swap out Turkish kebab for Indian curry.

    Of course, it will take until 2050 for this to happen, and that’s barring any large scale anti-immigrant nationalist uprisings in Western Europe that will have some Euro elites defecting to that side.

  67. @Mitleser
    Reddit getting more and more useless.

    What’s the point of Reddit anyway? Observing the liberal hivemind in action?

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    There are still some useful subreddits like the Syrian Civil War subreddit.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    1. It's the world's most popular forum. By far. 5th most popular site in the US, 17th in the world.
    Probably has the world's greatest number of "political" discussions after Facebook.
    So, like it or not, but it's pretty important. Quite reflective of what politically aware 115 IQ people think.

    2. Culture differs by subreddit.
    /r/politics is the stereotype of a liberal hivemind, I love their Russia takes.
    /r/europe is somewhat more sophisticated (realistic) in their Russophobia; most posts apolitical and deal with travel/culture, anyway.
    /r/russia are full of vatniks
    /r/worldnews dominated by liberal Americans but more naive and hence nicer than /r/politics, who are hardcore ideologues
    /r/Sino are Chinese vatniks; /r/China are Chinese liberals, Western English language teachers and probably pedos
    /r/geopolitics and /r/MapPorn are full of nerdy autists like on here (though less Nazi ofc)
    /r/SyrianCivilWar is based and redpilled
    /r/UkrainianConflict is fake and gay (though there's some good commenters)

    There were once some good alt right subs such as /r/european but they were all banned over the years.
  68. @AquariusAnon
    I wonder how nonwhite Vienna really is nowadays.

    Its difficult to obtain demographics of of most European cities (whether its city limits only or the greater urban area, which is more important when it comes to demographics) like you can for US or UK cities.

    Vienna is around 20% non-white, but schools are closer to 50%. There are many bezirks (districts) that have flipped in the last 5 years. As always the real problem are not the initial migrants – who are visible and go through a kind of a screening process. The real issue is chain migration. Each migrant can – and does – bring dozens of relatives, then goes back to ‘marry‘ and bring wife’s relatives. It is at this point literally unstoppable – Austria is too humane to question it.

    The reason there are so many Third World kids and old people brought in is that it is an extremely profitable thing to do: all the free social benefits in Austria are linked to either kids or elderly. It is a gold mine for an enterprising Third World hassler. What we have here is a classical parasitic behaviour – find a host, discover a weakness, move in and use the host – repeat for all fellow aspiring parasites. That’s why I am rather skeptical about Vienna, and I really like the city, they have missed the boat in the last 5-10 years. It literally could be too late by now.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    Unfortunately this sounds like Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw, and Trojmiasto in 3 more decades... by then even cities like Rzeszow would have visible Indian/Pakistani or Filipino communities.
  69. @German_reader
    What's the point of Reddit anyway? Observing the liberal hivemind in action?

    There are still some useful subreddits like the Syrian Civil War subreddit.

    • Agree: DFH
  70. @Beckow
    Vienna is around 20% non-white, but schools are closer to 50%. There are many bezirks (districts) that have flipped in the last 5 years. As always the real problem are not the initial migrants - who are visible and go through a kind of a screening process. The real issue is chain migration. Each migrant can - and does - bring dozens of relatives, then goes back to 'marry' and bring wife's relatives. It is at this point literally unstoppable - Austria is too humane to question it.

    The reason there are so many Third World kids and old people brought in is that it is an extremely profitable thing to do: all the free social benefits in Austria are linked to either kids or elderly. It is a gold mine for an enterprising Third World hassler. What we have here is a classical parasitic behaviour - find a host, discover a weakness, move in and use the host - repeat for all fellow aspiring parasites. That's why I am rather skeptical about Vienna, and I really like the city, they have missed the boat in the last 5-10 years. It literally could be too late by now.

    Unfortunately this sounds like Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw, and Trojmiasto in 3 more decades… by then even cities like Rzeszow would have visible Indian/Pakistani or Filipino communities.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    It might not take 3 decades, all the processes are much faster today. That's why the initial common sense 'NO' to migrants is so crucial. The deceptive liberal talk about 'only a few thousand', 'humanitarian case', or my favourite, obviously nonsensical 'there is a shortage of labor!' - all that is meant to open the doors to chain migration.

    Indians, Pakis or Philipinos have no right or reason to relocate to Poland. Any more than Poles would get up one day and claim that they will relocate to Mumbai. The whole pro-migrant argument is pure nonsense once you examine it. It is about cheap labor, homogenising and destroying cultures, and about failed Third World societies. All other arguments are simple lies.
  71. @German_reader
    What's the point of Reddit anyway? Observing the liberal hivemind in action?

    1. It’s the world’s most popular forum. By far. 5th most popular site in the US, 17th in the world.
    Probably has the world’s greatest number of “political” discussions after Facebook.
    So, like it or not, but it’s pretty important. Quite reflective of what politically aware 115 IQ people think.

    2. Culture differs by subreddit.
    /r/politics is the stereotype of a liberal hivemind, I love their Russia takes.
    /r/europe is somewhat more sophisticated (realistic) in their Russophobia; most posts apolitical and deal with travel/culture, anyway.
    /r/russia are full of vatniks
    /r/worldnews dominated by liberal Americans but more naive and hence nicer than /r/politics, who are hardcore ideologues
    /r/Sino are Chinese vatniks; /r/China are Chinese liberals, Western English language teachers and probably pedos
    /r/geopolitics and /r/MapPorn are full of nerdy autists like on here (though less Nazi ofc)
    /r/SyrianCivilWar is based and redpilled
    /r/UkrainianConflict is fake and gay (though there’s some good commenters)

    There were once some good alt right subs such as /r/european but they were all banned over the years.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Ok, thanks (to Mitleser as well), that's informative. I only occasionally browse it when I'm procrastinating, but the general atmosphere there is quite alienating (too many stupid liberals, also irritating how obsessed many people seem to be with idiotic pop culture).
    , @AquariusAnon
    Actually r/Sino aren't Chinese vatniks. Chinese vatniks don't speak English, and as I said, are not hardcore Sinotriumphialists at all. I'll have to say that they are an autistic cancerous bunch, but r/China doesn't help by being equally autistically cancerous on the other end of the spectrum.

    r/Sino is mostly American-born Chinese (and most of the remainder being Chinese students in the US) who are culturally misfitted for the mainstream white American society, but really wished they were well-adjusted enough to participate. So they turned to shilling for the CCP and hating everything about white Western culture. They tend to be highly concentrated in California, which has huge Chinese communities that are almost segregated from the society at large; CA's large scale PC culture also explains why they somehow mix SJWism with Sinotriumph.

    Also, most of the so-called "wumaos" are mostly vatnik girls from the tier 3 cities who get paid by the Chinese internet police to post pro-China articles online. Since their English is usually not very good (they might not even know English and use Baidu translate) and they're doing it for the money and not because they are actually hardcore Sinotriumphalists, a lot of the stuff they post can seem unhinged.

    , @DFH
    It is amazing how boring and unfunny reddit is compared to imageboards. I used to post on a British Nationalist board and the hundred people on there would produce much better content than tens of thousands of redditors.
    , @Yevardian
    You can hear what any 115+ person thinks about politics just by turning on the TV, opening a newspaper or skimming any mainstrean news site. The place is worthless and one only strengthens the bastards that run it by participating there.
  72. @Anatoly Karlin
    1. It's the world's most popular forum. By far. 5th most popular site in the US, 17th in the world.
    Probably has the world's greatest number of "political" discussions after Facebook.
    So, like it or not, but it's pretty important. Quite reflective of what politically aware 115 IQ people think.

    2. Culture differs by subreddit.
    /r/politics is the stereotype of a liberal hivemind, I love their Russia takes.
    /r/europe is somewhat more sophisticated (realistic) in their Russophobia; most posts apolitical and deal with travel/culture, anyway.
    /r/russia are full of vatniks
    /r/worldnews dominated by liberal Americans but more naive and hence nicer than /r/politics, who are hardcore ideologues
    /r/Sino are Chinese vatniks; /r/China are Chinese liberals, Western English language teachers and probably pedos
    /r/geopolitics and /r/MapPorn are full of nerdy autists like on here (though less Nazi ofc)
    /r/SyrianCivilWar is based and redpilled
    /r/UkrainianConflict is fake and gay (though there's some good commenters)

    There were once some good alt right subs such as /r/european but they were all banned over the years.

    Ok, thanks (to Mitleser as well), that’s informative. I only occasionally browse it when I’m procrastinating, but the general atmosphere there is quite alienating (too many stupid liberals, also irritating how obsessed many people seem to be with idiotic pop culture).

  73. @AquariusAnon
    Unfortunately this sounds like Warsaw, Krakow, Wroclaw, and Trojmiasto in 3 more decades... by then even cities like Rzeszow would have visible Indian/Pakistani or Filipino communities.

    It might not take 3 decades, all the processes are much faster today. That’s why the initial common sense ‘NO’ to migrants is so crucial. The deceptive liberal talk about ‘only a few thousand‘, ‘humanitarian case‘, or my favourite, obviously nonsensical ‘there is a shortage of labor!‘ – all that is meant to open the doors to chain migration.

    Indians, Pakis or Philipinos have no right or reason to relocate to Poland. Any more than Poles would get up one day and claim that they will relocate to Mumbai. The whole pro-migrant argument is pure nonsense once you examine it. It is about cheap labor, homogenising and destroying cultures, and about failed Third World societies. All other arguments are simple lies.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    Poland falling to the neoliberalism.txt immigration nonsense would be awful and symbolic. Going from West to East, that's literally the last major European country before you hit the Russosphere. With everything West of it being already inundated with migrants, this would spell an almost complete conquest of Europe by neoliberalism.txt.
  74. @Anatoly Karlin
    1. It's the world's most popular forum. By far. 5th most popular site in the US, 17th in the world.
    Probably has the world's greatest number of "political" discussions after Facebook.
    So, like it or not, but it's pretty important. Quite reflective of what politically aware 115 IQ people think.

    2. Culture differs by subreddit.
    /r/politics is the stereotype of a liberal hivemind, I love their Russia takes.
    /r/europe is somewhat more sophisticated (realistic) in their Russophobia; most posts apolitical and deal with travel/culture, anyway.
    /r/russia are full of vatniks
    /r/worldnews dominated by liberal Americans but more naive and hence nicer than /r/politics, who are hardcore ideologues
    /r/Sino are Chinese vatniks; /r/China are Chinese liberals, Western English language teachers and probably pedos
    /r/geopolitics and /r/MapPorn are full of nerdy autists like on here (though less Nazi ofc)
    /r/SyrianCivilWar is based and redpilled
    /r/UkrainianConflict is fake and gay (though there's some good commenters)

    There were once some good alt right subs such as /r/european but they were all banned over the years.

    Actually r/Sino aren’t Chinese vatniks. Chinese vatniks don’t speak English, and as I said, are not hardcore Sinotriumphialists at all. I’ll have to say that they are an autistic cancerous bunch, but r/China doesn’t help by being equally autistically cancerous on the other end of the spectrum.

    r/Sino is mostly American-born Chinese (and most of the remainder being Chinese students in the US) who are culturally misfitted for the mainstream white American society, but really wished they were well-adjusted enough to participate. So they turned to shilling for the CCP and hating everything about white Western culture. They tend to be highly concentrated in California, which has huge Chinese communities that are almost segregated from the society at large; CA’s large scale PC culture also explains why they somehow mix SJWism with Sinotriumph.

    Also, most of the so-called “wumaos” are mostly vatnik girls from the tier 3 cities who get paid by the Chinese internet police to post pro-China articles online. Since their English is usually not very good (they might not even know English and use Baidu translate) and they’re doing it for the money and not because they are actually hardcore Sinotriumphalists, a lot of the stuff they post can seem unhinged.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  75. @Beckow
    It might not take 3 decades, all the processes are much faster today. That's why the initial common sense 'NO' to migrants is so crucial. The deceptive liberal talk about 'only a few thousand', 'humanitarian case', or my favourite, obviously nonsensical 'there is a shortage of labor!' - all that is meant to open the doors to chain migration.

    Indians, Pakis or Philipinos have no right or reason to relocate to Poland. Any more than Poles would get up one day and claim that they will relocate to Mumbai. The whole pro-migrant argument is pure nonsense once you examine it. It is about cheap labor, homogenising and destroying cultures, and about failed Third World societies. All other arguments are simple lies.

    Poland falling to the neoliberalism.txt immigration nonsense would be awful and symbolic. Going from West to East, that’s literally the last major European country before you hit the Russosphere. With everything West of it being already inundated with migrants, this would spell an almost complete conquest of Europe by neoliberalism.txt.

  76. Hungary has a somewhat flamboyant culture that the rest lack, I can’t quite describe it but it, somehow, ‘feels’ more exotic than the others, even Russia. Budapest is great, Debrecen a bit boring, but habitable. The hot springs there make the winters much less unpleasant.

    Czech small towns are far nicer than in the others; they seem especially grim in Russia.

    I thought that in Russia, it’s forbidden for non-citizens to own freehold property, which means you’d be forced to live in an apartment and have no chance of owning a house.

  77. @Anatoly Karlin

    FWIW, on popular Polish websites, like Wykop (our reddit) you have straight-up racial realist content being upvoted to the front page on a regular basis. Good luck seeing that on reddit.
     
    Speaking of reddit, the cucks at /r/europe have banned the Unz Review. Can't submit articles there or even link to it from the comments.

    https://i.imgur.com/xs8K5TL.png

    https://i.imgur.com/iw2WIBN.png

    extreme bias

    Sounds pretty scary! I guess the users of r/europe are delicate flowers who uncritically believe every single thing they read. Actually, that does seem to fit pretty well for reddit users.

    • LOL: Swarthy Greek
  78. @Adam
    How do people in Lviv react to Russian speakers (particularly those who are obviously not native speakers)? Can you get by with English? I would like to visit Western Ukraine, but not enough that'd I learn to speak Ukrainian.

    I visited Lviv with my wife, and in her company we all speak Russian (my family in Lviv doesn’t speak English). Once or twice we got some dirty looks. English-speakers are probably treated worse in Quebec than are Russian-speakers in Lviv. And if it’s obvious you are a foreigner I can’t see much of a problem, unless you get into political debates with people and take Russia’s side.

    Lviv attracts a lot of Russian-speaking tourists from Kiev (I suspect – due to hryvnia devaluation people who aren’t willing to go to Prague for a weekend anymore substitute with Lviv) so the Russian language is not that rare in the city. When I was there in 2017 some guy was playing “Russian rock” with a guitar (Makarevich, but he sped it up and made it sound better than the original) in the market square, nobody complained.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    Lviv has probably some of the coolest cars in Europe though. It seems to be a good mixture of vintage European cars from the 1990s, Chinese budgetmobiles like Chery and Geely, and ZAZs/Ladas.
  79. @Anatoly Karlin
    1. It's the world's most popular forum. By far. 5th most popular site in the US, 17th in the world.
    Probably has the world's greatest number of "political" discussions after Facebook.
    So, like it or not, but it's pretty important. Quite reflective of what politically aware 115 IQ people think.

    2. Culture differs by subreddit.
    /r/politics is the stereotype of a liberal hivemind, I love their Russia takes.
    /r/europe is somewhat more sophisticated (realistic) in their Russophobia; most posts apolitical and deal with travel/culture, anyway.
    /r/russia are full of vatniks
    /r/worldnews dominated by liberal Americans but more naive and hence nicer than /r/politics, who are hardcore ideologues
    /r/Sino are Chinese vatniks; /r/China are Chinese liberals, Western English language teachers and probably pedos
    /r/geopolitics and /r/MapPorn are full of nerdy autists like on here (though less Nazi ofc)
    /r/SyrianCivilWar is based and redpilled
    /r/UkrainianConflict is fake and gay (though there's some good commenters)

    There were once some good alt right subs such as /r/european but they were all banned over the years.

    It is amazing how boring and unfunny reddit is compared to imageboards. I used to post on a British Nationalist board and the hundred people on there would produce much better content than tens of thousands of redditors.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Note that, as the name implies, a 'redditor' isn't creative himself, it's someone who 'has notes' on what the creatives do. Like banning those who won't conform to liberalism.txt.
  80. @AP
    I visited Lviv with my wife, and in her company we all speak Russian (my family in Lviv doesn't speak English). Once or twice we got some dirty looks. English-speakers are probably treated worse in Quebec than are Russian-speakers in Lviv. And if it's obvious you are a foreigner I can't see much of a problem, unless you get into political debates with people and take Russia's side.

    Lviv attracts a lot of Russian-speaking tourists from Kiev (I suspect - due to hryvnia devaluation people who aren't willing to go to Prague for a weekend anymore substitute with Lviv) so the Russian language is not that rare in the city. When I was there in 2017 some guy was playing "Russian rock" with a guitar (Makarevich, but he sped it up and made it sound better than the original) in the market square, nobody complained.

    Lviv has probably some of the coolest cars in Europe though. It seems to be a good mixture of vintage European cars from the 1990s, Chinese budgetmobiles like Chery and Geely, and ZAZs/Ladas.

  81. In Austria the demographics are still very good.
    Here are some numbers:
    Population 01.01.2018:
    Population in Austria: 8.822.267
    Austrian citizenship: 7.426.387
    European citizenship: 1.134.103 (117.297 Turks are in the European category but Armenians and Georgians are in the Asia category on the Austrian statistics site.)
    Africans: 35.774 (7.972 Nigerians, 6.206 Somalis)
    Asia: 188.323 (48.103 Syrians, 45.724 Afghans, 14.536 Iraqis, 13.833 Iranians, 12893 Chinese, 8.879 Indians, 4.519 Pakistanis)

    This year we had about 13.500 Refugee applications and 12.000 Deportations. Germany in comparison had about 150.000 Refugee applications and only 20.000-25.000 Deportations.

    In 2017 we had 9.271 naturalisations. Mostly Bosnians, Turks, Serbs and Kosovo. Sweden in comparison had 61.300 naturalisations in 2016.

    In the next months benefits get reduced for big families who live on welfare. Also a Tax cut for families got introduced in January. For each child you have you pay 1500€(125€ per month) less in taxes a year.
    You already get about 200€ in cash each month for each child you have. So that’s 325€ a month for each child. The problem with the low fertility rate in Austria is not money but the culture/atheism/nihilism. You can very easily raise 5 kids here even as a working class guy.

    • Replies: @AP
    Tax cuts are much better than handouts because they help working people who pay taxes, but don't help people on welfare.
    , @Anonmalayexp
    Where would you recommend living outside of Vienna? I really love the city, lived there for a year, and wasn't really bugged by the diversity. But I am looking for a slightly smaller Austrian city, mostly focused on quality of life.

    For comparison's sake, I like Brno, but my German is decent so feel like I would enjoy 2nd-tier Austria more?
    , @RadicalCenter
    Glad that Austria isn’t becoming nonEuropean and Muslim at the same rate as Germany, Sweden, France, or England. But if we are trying to figure out where one might move, we have to think longer-term.

    Even the numbers you gave, combined with the fact that Austrians don’t bother having children, ensure that Austria is not a good bet over the next thirty or even twenty years.

    Like the other countries listed above, Austria will be some strange anti-white Muslim-dominated place soon enough. I’d rather just retire somewhere else within the USA (my country) when the time comes — and that’s definitely NOT because I have a very optimistic view of what much of the USA will be like 25 years from now.

    As for our children, they’ve been learning german but the suicidal immigration policies and deadly-low fertility rate of Germany and Austria make us wonder whether there’s any point to that. I guess our kids could settle in more rural USA or in Russia and travel to german-speaking places for work opportunities if that makes sense in their professions. I wonder whether Switzerland will survive in cognizable form; how does their immigration policy and TFR compare to Germany and Austria? Are there any Leute here from die Schweiz?

    , @Aspirational Habsburg Subject
    Fellow Austrian here.

    True it’s not F/UK/SWE bad yet but IMO the catastrophe is baked in already:
    What these figures skip over is how many of these “Austrians” were created, by administrative fiat, through naturalization. Mostly from very, *very* non-Austrians.

    These are enough people that outgoing chancellor Kern explicitly appealed to their islamist groups in Vienna for votes to stave off defeat in the last elections. Didn’t work, yet, but demographic momentum is nit good to say the least.

    In fact, there are many ‘Austrians’ who hardly speak German. Since they are citizens we won’t be able to ever get rid of them, at least without the kind of desperate lawlessness that has dire consequences of its own.
    , @AP
    Will be in Vienna this summer. Any tips on safe neighborhoods to stay in? I'm assuming the medieval core is good.
    , @Beckow
    Thanks for the numbers. My sense is that out of the 1.3 million Austrian citizen in Vienna a substantial % is of non-European origin. The official statistics also miss the people who moved to Vienna semi-illegally to join relatives, as students, or simply over-stayed. I know some people who teach in Viennese schools, they say that elementary schools are around 50% non-European. When one goes around Vienna at least 1 in 5 people is clearly visibly foreign.

    Austria's overall demographics are still good, I agree. But Vienna is wobbly and the long-term trend is towards slowly becoming similar to Brussels, Berlin, and Paris. Vienna is very dominant in Austria - 1/4 of population. This is extremely important: the two countries that are a key to Central-eastern Europe staying European are Poland and Austria. Vienna is the informal regional capitol and the main entry point. When I do the numbers going forward, it doesn't look very good.

  82. Vienna demographics 01.01.2018:
    Vienna population: 1.888.776
    Austrian citizens: 1.329.449
    European citizens: 429.284 (46.039 Turks, 15.593 Russians mostly Chechens)
    Africans: 18.218
    Asia: 91.263 (23.071 Syrians, 17.023 Afghans)

    77.306 Serbs
    46.039 Turks
    45.462 Germans
    42.555 Poles
    31.307 Romanians
    23.071 Syrians
    22.847 Hungarians
    22.089 Croats
    22.063 Bosnians

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Wasn't there some debate though about the role of Islam in Vienna's school system, or even about Islamist indoctrination in Islamic kindergartens? I'm not that familiar with Austrian domestic politics (I only read Andreas Unterberger's blog), but I got the impression there was a lot of concern in Austria about Vienna becoming increasingly Islamic.
  83. @Austrian_reader
    Vienna demographics 01.01.2018:
    Vienna population: 1.888.776
    Austrian citizens: 1.329.449
    European citizens: 429.284 (46.039 Turks, 15.593 Russians mostly Chechens)
    Africans: 18.218
    Asia: 91.263 (23.071 Syrians, 17.023 Afghans)

    77.306 Serbs
    46.039 Turks
    45.462 Germans
    42.555 Poles
    31.307 Romanians
    23.071 Syrians
    22.847 Hungarians
    22.089 Croats
    22.063 Bosnians

    Wasn’t there some debate though about the role of Islam in Vienna’s school system, or even about Islamist indoctrination in Islamic kindergartens? I’m not that familiar with Austrian domestic politics (I only read Andreas Unterberger’s blog), but I got the impression there was a lot of concern in Austria about Vienna becoming increasingly Islamic.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    It's not like the Republic can force someone to convert to Catholicism like the Hapsburg emperor could, as with Mahler in 1897, to take the baton at the Vienna Philharmonic. That would be anti-democratic or something.

    We did get Mahler's Fourth Symphony shortly afterward. I wonder if the two are linked.
  84. @German_reader
    Wasn't there some debate though about the role of Islam in Vienna's school system, or even about Islamist indoctrination in Islamic kindergartens? I'm not that familiar with Austrian domestic politics (I only read Andreas Unterberger's blog), but I got the impression there was a lot of concern in Austria about Vienna becoming increasingly Islamic.

    It’s not like the Republic can force someone to convert to Catholicism like the Hapsburg emperor could, as with Mahler in 1897, to take the baton at the Vienna Philharmonic. That would be anti-democratic or something.

    We did get Mahler’s Fourth Symphony shortly afterward. I wonder if the two are linked.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    That’s interesting. Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.

    The more realistic prospect, unfortunately, is force, intimidation, and government policy being used to induce conversions to Islam.

    Already five years ago, Vienna’s government schools for younger kids — what Americans would call K-8 “public schools” — had more Muslim students than Catholic students. Five years ago.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4229/austria-muslims-vienna-schools

    Muslim kids in Austria are being indoctrinated in taxpayer-funded kindergarten into the more extreme and dangerous form of their religion: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8352/austria-islam-turkey

    Just read that Vienna overall is about thirteen percent Muslim. I’ll bet that the average age of the Muslim population in Vienna or Austria broadly is far lower than the average age of the nonMuslims, perhaps more than ten years apart. So in ten years, more Austrians will have died off, not to be replaced by grandchildren. The Muslims, meanwhile, will keep having at least one child more on average than nonMuslims. It’s just math, and a matter of time. Not much time, either.
  85. Is homeschooling really that important topic when considering life changing event as possible emigration? In the Czech Republic it is two decades old option, but it is used by minuscule numbers. Political/religious reasons are minority within this minority. There no realistic chance of home education gaining significance, the society is simply too poor for it.

    Similarly the gun rights. Czech ones are rather permissive (for the citizens), but to use a gun for self-defense is a very rare thing, topic for newspaper headlines. Unless one is professional shooter/paranoiac/gun nut this is so irrelevant.

    Hypothetical emigrant should IMO consider (1) language, (2) economic opportunities and (3) physical safety. Czech economic outlook is abysmal and mastering the language is extremely hard for non-Slavs. Expats are not liked and getting accepted as “one of us” is rare.

    • Replies: @utu

    Expats are not liked and getting accepted as “one of us” is rare.
     
    Good you wrote it. I hope this attitude will not change. Anyway expats are losers.
    , @Anonymous

    Hypothetical emigrant should IMO consider (1) language, (2) economic opportunities and (3) physical safety. Czech economic outlook is abysmal and mastering the language is extremely hard for non-Slavs. Expats are not liked and getting accepted as “one of us” is rare.
     
    This is critical. What are you going to do for work? What kind of lifestyle will that afford? Will you be content with that lifestyle, which is almost certainly going to be more austere than what you're used to in the US?

    As an adult emigrant to a country, you are committing to spend the rest of your life as an outsider, having few or no close friends except maybe some fellow ex-pats. Can you deal with that? Can your wife? Your kids may or may not assimilate depending on how young they are when you make your move, whether they "look" local, how "exotic" their surname is in the country etc, but you can reasonably expect at least some bullying for being an outsider, an American and a foreigner. Will your kids be able to master the language? Will you ever even become competent in it? Russian is considered quite difficult for native English speakers; Hungarian strikes me as basically impossible.

    I know people like to think in more romantic terms and not this sort of dreary nuts-and-bolts way, but we are not living in the 19th century where immigrants are all interchangeable farmers issued plots of land whose only responsibility is to grow wheat. America and other Western countries are on average quite hospitable to immigrants, but even then it's still not an easy life.

    Re: gypsies in Hungary, I didn't find their presence in Budapest to be at all oppressive. In fact, I don't think I saw a single gypsy the whole trip, at least one that I recognized as such (though there were a lot more homeless in the subway stations there than in Vienna or Munich).
  86. @Adam
    Does anyone know what the English teaching scene is like in Moscow? Is it viable for a long term career choice?

    Only if you want a Russian standard of living. Russians are poor.

  87. @BGReader
    Yes around 17,000, not only Russians, also Kazakh, Ukrainian, Belarussian and Moldovans mainly along the Black Sea coast. All ages and many open a small business. About 3000 Brits too, mainly retirees.

    Personally, I like Bulgaria. I am more relaxed there than most places. But Canada has plenty of room and First World living. Western Canada is quite conservative.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No, it's full of chicks who date blacks
  88. In the Russian Far East, the federal government will give you a free hectare of farmable land to set up a homestead. Life off the grid! The land can be quite good. Soyabeans are native to the area (the Jewish Republic I think). A large minority are Ukrainians.

  89. @Austrian_reader
    In Austria the demographics are still very good.
    Here are some numbers:
    Population 01.01.2018:
    Population in Austria: 8.822.267
    Austrian citizenship: 7.426.387
    European citizenship: 1.134.103 (117.297 Turks are in the European category but Armenians and Georgians are in the Asia category on the Austrian statistics site.)
    Africans: 35.774 (7.972 Nigerians, 6.206 Somalis)
    Asia: 188.323 (48.103 Syrians, 45.724 Afghans, 14.536 Iraqis, 13.833 Iranians, 12893 Chinese, 8.879 Indians, 4.519 Pakistanis)

    This year we had about 13.500 Refugee applications and 12.000 Deportations. Germany in comparison had about 150.000 Refugee applications and only 20.000-25.000 Deportations.

    In 2017 we had 9.271 naturalisations. Mostly Bosnians, Turks, Serbs and Kosovo. Sweden in comparison had 61.300 naturalisations in 2016.

    In the next months benefits get reduced for big families who live on welfare. Also a Tax cut for families got introduced in January. For each child you have you pay 1500€(125€ per month) less in taxes a year.
    You already get about 200€ in cash each month for each child you have. So that's 325€ a month for each child. The problem with the low fertility rate in Austria is not money but the culture/atheism/nihilism. You can very easily raise 5 kids here even as a working class guy.

    Tax cuts are much better than handouts because they help working people who pay taxes, but don’t help people on welfare.

  90. The higher rate of industrial robots compared to France and UK make Czechia appealing to me as a control system/industrial automation engineer (this is my bread and butter skill). It also implies lots of manufacturing. This is also key for me.

    Socially liberal is OK. I care about people being functional (work ethic, generally pro-free market, few social problems like drugs or penchant for socialism) but don’t care either way about traditionalism per se (I’d live in Singapore if I could).

    Gun rights are a big plus for me even though I’ve never owned a gun nor do I plan to buy any. Gun rights represent a form of self-reliance.

    Even though I have no plans to leave the U.S., I am always willing to consider the “nomad capitalist” option as plan B. Its always good to have a plan B (and c, and d).

    What are the tax rates (income and capital gains) for Czechia?

  91. @LH
    Is homeschooling really that important topic when considering life changing event as possible emigration? In the Czech Republic it is two decades old option, but it is used by minuscule numbers. Political/religious reasons are minority within this minority. There no realistic chance of home education gaining significance, the society is simply too poor for it.

    Similarly the gun rights. Czech ones are rather permissive (for the citizens), but to use a gun for self-defense is a very rare thing, topic for newspaper headlines. Unless one is professional shooter/paranoiac/gun nut this is so irrelevant.


    Hypothetical emigrant should IMO consider (1) language, (2) economic opportunities and (3) physical safety. Czech economic outlook is abysmal and mastering the language is extremely hard for non-Slavs. Expats are not liked and getting accepted as "one of us" is rare.

    Expats are not liked and getting accepted as “one of us” is rare.

    Good you wrote it. I hope this attitude will not change. Anyway expats are losers.

  92. The Krasnodar krai coastline (from Anapa to Sochi) is excellent in general. Has all the general pros/cons of Russia that have been discussed, but with comfy subtropical/borderline Mediterranean weather/climate, good mixture of both cheap and higher-end stuff, good communications and so on and so forth. Plus, if you’re in the northern parts, Crimea is less than a day’s drive away (on excellent roads!) and you can snap a bridge selfie and get Myrotvoretsed. Always a plus.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  93. Besides Visegrad group: Bulgaria, Serbia, Slovenia, Macedonia. All are pretty good choices as long as you have a decent-paying job (tough without local language) or reasonable savings as a retiree.

  94. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @LH
    Is homeschooling really that important topic when considering life changing event as possible emigration? In the Czech Republic it is two decades old option, but it is used by minuscule numbers. Political/religious reasons are minority within this minority. There no realistic chance of home education gaining significance, the society is simply too poor for it.

    Similarly the gun rights. Czech ones are rather permissive (for the citizens), but to use a gun for self-defense is a very rare thing, topic for newspaper headlines. Unless one is professional shooter/paranoiac/gun nut this is so irrelevant.


    Hypothetical emigrant should IMO consider (1) language, (2) economic opportunities and (3) physical safety. Czech economic outlook is abysmal and mastering the language is extremely hard for non-Slavs. Expats are not liked and getting accepted as "one of us" is rare.

    Hypothetical emigrant should IMO consider (1) language, (2) economic opportunities and (3) physical safety. Czech economic outlook is abysmal and mastering the language is extremely hard for non-Slavs. Expats are not liked and getting accepted as “one of us” is rare.

    This is critical. What are you going to do for work? What kind of lifestyle will that afford? Will you be content with that lifestyle, which is almost certainly going to be more austere than what you’re used to in the US?

    As an adult emigrant to a country, you are committing to spend the rest of your life as an outsider, having few or no close friends except maybe some fellow ex-pats. Can you deal with that? Can your wife? Your kids may or may not assimilate depending on how young they are when you make your move, whether they “look” local, how “exotic” their surname is in the country etc, but you can reasonably expect at least some bullying for being an outsider, an American and a foreigner. Will your kids be able to master the language? Will you ever even become competent in it? Russian is considered quite difficult for native English speakers; Hungarian strikes me as basically impossible.

    I know people like to think in more romantic terms and not this sort of dreary nuts-and-bolts way, but we are not living in the 19th century where immigrants are all interchangeable farmers issued plots of land whose only responsibility is to grow wheat. America and other Western countries are on average quite hospitable to immigrants, but even then it’s still not an easy life.

    Re: gypsies in Hungary, I didn’t find their presence in Budapest to be at all oppressive. In fact, I don’t think I saw a single gypsy the whole trip, at least one that I recognized as such (though there were a lot more homeless in the subway stations there than in Vienna or Munich).

  95. @Philip Owen
    Personally, I like Bulgaria. I am more relaxed there than most places. But Canada has plenty of room and First World living. Western Canada is quite conservative.

    No, it’s full of chicks who date blacks

  96. @Austrian_reader
    In Austria the demographics are still very good.
    Here are some numbers:
    Population 01.01.2018:
    Population in Austria: 8.822.267
    Austrian citizenship: 7.426.387
    European citizenship: 1.134.103 (117.297 Turks are in the European category but Armenians and Georgians are in the Asia category on the Austrian statistics site.)
    Africans: 35.774 (7.972 Nigerians, 6.206 Somalis)
    Asia: 188.323 (48.103 Syrians, 45.724 Afghans, 14.536 Iraqis, 13.833 Iranians, 12893 Chinese, 8.879 Indians, 4.519 Pakistanis)

    This year we had about 13.500 Refugee applications and 12.000 Deportations. Germany in comparison had about 150.000 Refugee applications and only 20.000-25.000 Deportations.

    In 2017 we had 9.271 naturalisations. Mostly Bosnians, Turks, Serbs and Kosovo. Sweden in comparison had 61.300 naturalisations in 2016.

    In the next months benefits get reduced for big families who live on welfare. Also a Tax cut for families got introduced in January. For each child you have you pay 1500€(125€ per month) less in taxes a year.
    You already get about 200€ in cash each month for each child you have. So that's 325€ a month for each child. The problem with the low fertility rate in Austria is not money but the culture/atheism/nihilism. You can very easily raise 5 kids here even as a working class guy.

    Where would you recommend living outside of Vienna? I really love the city, lived there for a year, and wasn’t really bugged by the diversity. But I am looking for a slightly smaller Austrian city, mostly focused on quality of life.

    For comparison’s sake, I like Brno, but my German is decent so feel like I would enjoy 2nd-tier Austria more?

    • Replies: @Austrian_reader
    I would personally recommend living in Klosterneuburg or Mödling and commuting to Vienna. Those two places are extremely popular with Austrians who make good money, want to raise a family but still work in Vienna.

    Otherwise you could take a look at Graz, Salzburg, Innsbruck or Klagenfurt.
  97. @DFH
    What about Belarus, the true last bastion of the white race?

    Belarus is very nice, if a little boring. Misnk definitely has better domestic services than Russia outside of Moscow/Peter. But what happens after Lukashenko is anyone’s guess.

  98. @Anatoly Karlin
    The American I met in Romania at my friend's wedding was a dyed in the wool liberal who took #BLM seriously but went full 14/88 when the conversation shifted to Gypsies.

    Doesn’t that go for virtually anyone in Europe? I’ve heard it even from Swedes.

  99. Pretty good post. I can offer my two cents having lived in Eastern Europe for the past two years, first primarily in Hungary and now in Georgia (is Georgia Eastern Europe? part of it is geographically in Europe and it has historic connections to Europe through Christianity and the Russian Empire/USSR, but the culture here has a noticeably heavy Turkish/Iranian influence).

    Hungary

    Hungary is very much a mixed bag. Budapest is the only city of consequence there: the next largest city, Debrecen, has a population of 200,000. I’ve never been there, but I’ve been to Győr and Miskolc, which are slightly smaller, and they’re basically glorified villages. In terms of infrastructure, services, and English fluency, Budapest is the only game in town. I’d consider settling down in Győr if I married a Hungarian girl only because it’s an hour from Budapest by train (and about an hour from Vienna).

    Upsides: Budapest is very livable, though not as nice as Polish cities. Good transportation infrastructure, with an extensive metro, trams, trolleybuses, and buses (though if you live in the city center, you can reach everything on foot easily). Good train and bus connections to nearby cities and Budapest’s airport has a lot of direct international flights. No Uber, but they have Taxify. Good nightlife and restaurants. English fluency is more or less universal among people under 45 (the only time I had issues is when I went to the post office). Postal service is reliable, more so than private couriers. Good shopping options: you have European brands like Tesco, Spar etc. Weather is mild: because it’s in the middle of a bunch of mountain ranges, you get warmer winters and cooler summers than surrounding countries, and little snow. Nice infrastructure, at least in the center. Lots of things to do: museums, festivals, etc. Less overt Americanization than other E.U. countries: there are only a handful of American brands (McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Starbucks, and I think there’s a Subway down by Blaha Lujza ter). Low cost of living for an E.U. country. Easy to get residence.

    Downsides: TOURISTS everywhere. Outside of winter, downtown Budapest is clogged with tourists, mainly British stag partiers on $20 Ryanair flights. They’re loud, obnoxious, and impossible to avoid. Constant construction: two summers ago, I was woken up at six am on the dot by crews working on the sewer lines outside my house. Questionable cabling quality in the inner city: I regularly got disconnected from the Internet when I did YouTube streams or downloaded large Steam games. Lazy private couriers: ordering packages from DHL or other services is a massive pain in the ass. A preponderance of German-style “inspection shelf” toilets (if you’ve been to Germany, you know what these monstrosities are like). Also, poz is creeping in fast. The women in Hungary are getting fatter and there are tattoo parlors every other block (including, bizarrely enough, the hybrid tattoo parlor/bar or tattoo parlor/cafe, because nothing beats a vegan panini while some fat guy draws a butterfly on your ass). The Hungarian language is insanely difficult to learn; I’ve had an easier time with Russian and Ukrainian, despite them using an entirely different script. Hungarians themselves are cliquish and difficult to befriend; I’m lucky in that I had a social circle before I moved to Budapest. Gypsies are dangerous and annoying, but they’re also easy to avoid. Big homeless problem, particularly in the city center, though from what I understand the government is finally doing something about them.

    Poland

    Upsides: Excellent infrastructure, at least in Warsaw, Krakow, Poznań, and Przemyśl. Very fast and modern trains, trams, metro, buses etc. Warsaw’s airport is one of the nicest I’ve ever seen. Better roads than the U.S. English fluency is high in the big cities. Better Internet, postal delivery, private couriers than Hungary. Cleaner. Good selection of European shopping brands. Cost of living is the highest in Eastern Europe but still significantly lower than the U.S. or Western Europe. The Polish population is more distributed so there are a number of smaller cities like Poznań that have pretty good infrastructure and amenities. Poles are still kind of impressed with Americans but that’s fading fast.

    Downsides: Poz is more advanced than anywhere else in Eastern Europe; the Poles really really want to be like their American cousins. When I was in Warsaw two months ago, bluehairs and tattoos were everywhere. A lot of overt Catholicism, but also a lot of overt homosexuality. Women are getting fat and obsessing over their careers. Warsaw is an ugly city; most of it was leveled in World War II, so it was rebuilt in an American/Soviet style and is thus very spread out and architecturally unappealing. Krakow is as full of American tourists as Budapest is full of Brits, while Poznań has a lot of German expats. American brands are everywhere: McDonald’s, Subway etc.

    Serbia

    Avoid. Belgrade is run-down and depressing, with crumbling buildings and dirty streets. Infrastructure is terrible: I took a train from Budapest to Belgrade and it took nine hours (for the record, the two cities are less than three hours apart by car) due to the shoddy rails. More expensive than Budapest (WTF?). I’m told Novi Sad has a better quality of life, but Novi Sad is also very small, so take that for what you will. The food in Serbia is really good: I love ćevapi and pljeskavica. People there are cliquish, though there’s surprisingly little anti-Americanism (aside from a huge installation at the parliament building blaming the Clintons for stealing Kosovo and defending Albanian war criminals); when I was there, there were a lot of people hocking Trump and Putin T-shirts. Women are less pozzed than in Hungary or Poland, but there are a shocking number of lesbians (their prime minister is a lesbian, for crying out loud).

    Slovakia

    Only been through here briefly a few times, in Banská Bystrica and Donovaly. Seemed like a more conservative and less developed Poland, with crappier roads and less English fluency.

    Ukraine

    Upsides: really attractive women. Cheap.

    Downsides: bad infrastructure, not as bad as Serbia’s (at least Ukrainian trains run on time), but still pretty bad. The desirable cities like Lviv are flooded with tourists, particularly weird sex pests from both the West and the Middle East, so the women are less open to getting hit on by foreigners every day. Water is not drinkable due to heavy metal contamination. Sucky Internet. Food is of questionable quality. Nightlife and restaurants questionable. Cities are unappealing: Lviv has a nice city center, but the place falls apart when you leave it. Mukachevo has a waterfront that the city has allowed to turn into a disgusting swamp. People are constantly trying to rip you off. English fluency is spotty.

    Georgia

    Upsides: cheaper than Ukraine, but with a quality of life comparable to Hungary and approaching Poland in some respects. People are generally honest (though you need to watch out for Middle Eastern-style haggling culture, which is influential here). Good selection of European brands like Spar and Carrefour. Little in the way of Americanization or poz (I’ve seen maybe six bluehairs in five months, no tattoos). Easier to import goods from the U.S. Easy in general to do things like open bank accounts and start businesses. Good nightlife mainly focused around hipster-type bars. Women are more chaste than any other country I’ve been to. Minimal amount of Western tourists; mostly Russians and Iranians. Good food. Very easy to get residency. Nice infrastructure in the city center. Unlike in other parts of Europe, cashiers bag your groceries for you and you don’t have to pay to use the bathroom.

    Downsides: shopping selection is inferior to E.U. countries. English fluency is spotty in Tbilisi and nonexistent elsewhere. Public transportation is lacking: the metro is reliable but only has two lines, there are no trams, and everything shuts down at midnight. Postal service is a sick joke; banks won’t even mail ATM cards to people because it’s that unreliable. People are friendly to foreigners (and super-impressed with Americans) but can be dense in a way that only Ukrainians even begin to approach. The Georgian language is almost impossible to learn: it sounds like a hybrid of Hungarian, Arabic, and Russian, and it has its own unique script on top of that. Outside the city center, the architecture is a combo of typical Soviet drudgery and modern American suburbanization.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
    Georgian culture is Caucasian.Full stop. Most "Turkish" influences that you might see in places like Lebanon,Georgia or Greece, whether in terms of food, music or local dresses, often predate the arrival of Turks in Anatolia.It's just that many of those customs also existed in Anatolia and survived Turkification and Islamization and are still prominent in modern day Turkey
  100. @inertial

    Trends among the tiny elite is what shapes the future
     
    The trend among the US literati elites from the 1900s all the way into the 1970s had been socialism - from mild Euro social democracy to hard line Stalinism or Maoism. And yet USA did not turn socialist.

    This is because the masses resist elite trends when these trends are seen as hostile foreign encroachment (Commie Russkie in case of the 20th America.)

    In Russia, the poz is seen by the common people as hostile American influence, therefore I predicts that it will not take. Poland, Baltics, and other American cargo cultists will eventually be the poz equivalent of more Catholic than the Pope. The Ukraine is right on the edge and can go either way.

    US Federal Government spending was less than 3% of GDP then. It is 21% now. It certainly isn’t “socialism” but it is utterly transformed.

  101. @Anatoly Karlin
    1. It's the world's most popular forum. By far. 5th most popular site in the US, 17th in the world.
    Probably has the world's greatest number of "political" discussions after Facebook.
    So, like it or not, but it's pretty important. Quite reflective of what politically aware 115 IQ people think.

    2. Culture differs by subreddit.
    /r/politics is the stereotype of a liberal hivemind, I love their Russia takes.
    /r/europe is somewhat more sophisticated (realistic) in their Russophobia; most posts apolitical and deal with travel/culture, anyway.
    /r/russia are full of vatniks
    /r/worldnews dominated by liberal Americans but more naive and hence nicer than /r/politics, who are hardcore ideologues
    /r/Sino are Chinese vatniks; /r/China are Chinese liberals, Western English language teachers and probably pedos
    /r/geopolitics and /r/MapPorn are full of nerdy autists like on here (though less Nazi ofc)
    /r/SyrianCivilWar is based and redpilled
    /r/UkrainianConflict is fake and gay (though there's some good commenters)

    There were once some good alt right subs such as /r/european but they were all banned over the years.

    You can hear what any 115+ person thinks about politics just by turning on the TV, opening a newspaper or skimming any mainstrean news site. The place is worthless and one only strengthens the bastards that run it by participating there.

  102. I doubt AK knows anything about gypsies. They are largely confined (and confine themselves) to their ghettos. Avoiding interaction with them is extremely simple. And the most you’re likely to suffer through is a gypsy beggar hitting you up for a few coins. That said, there are certainly efforts afoot to better “integrate” gypsies into society, so this may change.

  103. @Matt Forney
    Pretty good post. I can offer my two cents having lived in Eastern Europe for the past two years, first primarily in Hungary and now in Georgia (is Georgia Eastern Europe? part of it is geographically in Europe and it has historic connections to Europe through Christianity and the Russian Empire/USSR, but the culture here has a noticeably heavy Turkish/Iranian influence).

    Hungary

    Hungary is very much a mixed bag. Budapest is the only city of consequence there: the next largest city, Debrecen, has a population of 200,000. I've never been there, but I've been to Győr and Miskolc, which are slightly smaller, and they're basically glorified villages. In terms of infrastructure, services, and English fluency, Budapest is the only game in town. I'd consider settling down in Győr if I married a Hungarian girl only because it's an hour from Budapest by train (and about an hour from Vienna).

    Upsides: Budapest is very livable, though not as nice as Polish cities. Good transportation infrastructure, with an extensive metro, trams, trolleybuses, and buses (though if you live in the city center, you can reach everything on foot easily). Good train and bus connections to nearby cities and Budapest's airport has a lot of direct international flights. No Uber, but they have Taxify. Good nightlife and restaurants. English fluency is more or less universal among people under 45 (the only time I had issues is when I went to the post office). Postal service is reliable, more so than private couriers. Good shopping options: you have European brands like Tesco, Spar etc. Weather is mild: because it's in the middle of a bunch of mountain ranges, you get warmer winters and cooler summers than surrounding countries, and little snow. Nice infrastructure, at least in the center. Lots of things to do: museums, festivals, etc. Less overt Americanization than other E.U. countries: there are only a handful of American brands (McDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Starbucks, and I think there's a Subway down by Blaha Lujza ter). Low cost of living for an E.U. country. Easy to get residence.

    Downsides: TOURISTS everywhere. Outside of winter, downtown Budapest is clogged with tourists, mainly British stag partiers on $20 Ryanair flights. They're loud, obnoxious, and impossible to avoid. Constant construction: two summers ago, I was woken up at six am on the dot by crews working on the sewer lines outside my house. Questionable cabling quality in the inner city: I regularly got disconnected from the Internet when I did YouTube streams or downloaded large Steam games. Lazy private couriers: ordering packages from DHL or other services is a massive pain in the ass. A preponderance of German-style "inspection shelf" toilets (if you've been to Germany, you know what these monstrosities are like). Also, poz is creeping in fast. The women in Hungary are getting fatter and there are tattoo parlors every other block (including, bizarrely enough, the hybrid tattoo parlor/bar or tattoo parlor/cafe, because nothing beats a vegan panini while some fat guy draws a butterfly on your ass). The Hungarian language is insanely difficult to learn; I've had an easier time with Russian and Ukrainian, despite them using an entirely different script. Hungarians themselves are cliquish and difficult to befriend; I'm lucky in that I had a social circle before I moved to Budapest. Gypsies are dangerous and annoying, but they're also easy to avoid. Big homeless problem, particularly in the city center, though from what I understand the government is finally doing something about them.

    Poland

    Upsides: Excellent infrastructure, at least in Warsaw, Krakow, Poznań, and Przemyśl. Very fast and modern trains, trams, metro, buses etc. Warsaw's airport is one of the nicest I've ever seen. Better roads than the U.S. English fluency is high in the big cities. Better Internet, postal delivery, private couriers than Hungary. Cleaner. Good selection of European shopping brands. Cost of living is the highest in Eastern Europe but still significantly lower than the U.S. or Western Europe. The Polish population is more distributed so there are a number of smaller cities like Poznań that have pretty good infrastructure and amenities. Poles are still kind of impressed with Americans but that's fading fast.

    Downsides: Poz is more advanced than anywhere else in Eastern Europe; the Poles really really want to be like their American cousins. When I was in Warsaw two months ago, bluehairs and tattoos were everywhere. A lot of overt Catholicism, but also a lot of overt homosexuality. Women are getting fat and obsessing over their careers. Warsaw is an ugly city; most of it was leveled in World War II, so it was rebuilt in an American/Soviet style and is thus very spread out and architecturally unappealing. Krakow is as full of American tourists as Budapest is full of Brits, while Poznań has a lot of German expats. American brands are everywhere: McDonald's, Subway etc.

    Serbia

    Avoid. Belgrade is run-down and depressing, with crumbling buildings and dirty streets. Infrastructure is terrible: I took a train from Budapest to Belgrade and it took nine hours (for the record, the two cities are less than three hours apart by car) due to the shoddy rails. More expensive than Budapest (WTF?). I'm told Novi Sad has a better quality of life, but Novi Sad is also very small, so take that for what you will. The food in Serbia is really good: I love ćevapi and pljeskavica. People there are cliquish, though there's surprisingly little anti-Americanism (aside from a huge installation at the parliament building blaming the Clintons for stealing Kosovo and defending Albanian war criminals); when I was there, there were a lot of people hocking Trump and Putin T-shirts. Women are less pozzed than in Hungary or Poland, but there are a shocking number of lesbians (their prime minister is a lesbian, for crying out loud).

    Slovakia

    Only been through here briefly a few times, in Banská Bystrica and Donovaly. Seemed like a more conservative and less developed Poland, with crappier roads and less English fluency.

    Ukraine

    Upsides: really attractive women. Cheap.

    Downsides: bad infrastructure, not as bad as Serbia's (at least Ukrainian trains run on time), but still pretty bad. The desirable cities like Lviv are flooded with tourists, particularly weird sex pests from both the West and the Middle East, so the women are less open to getting hit on by foreigners every day. Water is not drinkable due to heavy metal contamination. Sucky Internet. Food is of questionable quality. Nightlife and restaurants questionable. Cities are unappealing: Lviv has a nice city center, but the place falls apart when you leave it. Mukachevo has a waterfront that the city has allowed to turn into a disgusting swamp. People are constantly trying to rip you off. English fluency is spotty.

    Georgia

    Upsides: cheaper than Ukraine, but with a quality of life comparable to Hungary and approaching Poland in some respects. People are generally honest (though you need to watch out for Middle Eastern-style haggling culture, which is influential here). Good selection of European brands like Spar and Carrefour. Little in the way of Americanization or poz (I've seen maybe six bluehairs in five months, no tattoos). Easier to import goods from the U.S. Easy in general to do things like open bank accounts and start businesses. Good nightlife mainly focused around hipster-type bars. Women are more chaste than any other country I've been to. Minimal amount of Western tourists; mostly Russians and Iranians. Good food. Very easy to get residency. Nice infrastructure in the city center. Unlike in other parts of Europe, cashiers bag your groceries for you and you don't have to pay to use the bathroom.

    Downsides: shopping selection is inferior to E.U. countries. English fluency is spotty in Tbilisi and nonexistent elsewhere. Public transportation is lacking: the metro is reliable but only has two lines, there are no trams, and everything shuts down at midnight. Postal service is a sick joke; banks won't even mail ATM cards to people because it's that unreliable. People are friendly to foreigners (and super-impressed with Americans) but can be dense in a way that only Ukrainians even begin to approach. The Georgian language is almost impossible to learn: it sounds like a hybrid of Hungarian, Arabic, and Russian, and it has its own unique script on top of that. Outside the city center, the architecture is a combo of typical Soviet drudgery and modern American suburbanization.

    Georgian culture is Caucasian.Full stop. Most “Turkish” influences that you might see in places like Lebanon,Georgia or Greece, whether in terms of food, music or local dresses, often predate the arrival of Turks in Anatolia.It’s just that many of those customs also existed in Anatolia and survived Turkification and Islamization and are still prominent in modern day Turkey

    • Replies: @utu
    Right, like Turkish coffee.
    , @Boris N

    Georgian culture is Caucasian.Full stop.
     
    You bet, they live in the Caucasus!
  104. @Swarthy Greek
    Georgian culture is Caucasian.Full stop. Most "Turkish" influences that you might see in places like Lebanon,Georgia or Greece, whether in terms of food, music or local dresses, often predate the arrival of Turks in Anatolia.It's just that many of those customs also existed in Anatolia and survived Turkification and Islamization and are still prominent in modern day Turkey

    Right, like Turkish coffee.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
    "Turkish" coffee comes from Yemen
  105. @utu
    Right, like Turkish coffee.

    “Turkish” coffee comes from Yemen

  106. @Anonmalayexp
    Where would you recommend living outside of Vienna? I really love the city, lived there for a year, and wasn't really bugged by the diversity. But I am looking for a slightly smaller Austrian city, mostly focused on quality of life.

    For comparison's sake, I like Brno, but my German is decent so feel like I would enjoy 2nd-tier Austria more?

    I would personally recommend living in Klosterneuburg or Mödling and commuting to Vienna. Those two places are extremely popular with Austrians who make good money, want to raise a family but still work in Vienna.

    Otherwise you could take a look at Graz, Salzburg, Innsbruck or Klagenfurt.

    • Replies: @Anonmalayexp
    The two suburban towns look interesting, I will check them out next week (currently in Bozen!).

    Are there any fun/useful 'stereotypes' about the different non-Viennese Austrian cities? Everyone tells me that Wien is not Austria? Why do they do that?

    Thanks again!
  107. @Austrian_reader
    I would personally recommend living in Klosterneuburg or Mödling and commuting to Vienna. Those two places are extremely popular with Austrians who make good money, want to raise a family but still work in Vienna.

    Otherwise you could take a look at Graz, Salzburg, Innsbruck or Klagenfurt.

    The two suburban towns look interesting, I will check them out next week (currently in Bozen!).

    Are there any fun/useful ‘stereotypes’ about the different non-Viennese Austrian cities? Everyone tells me that Wien is not Austria? Why do they do that?

    Thanks again!

  108. @szopen
    Anatolij is spot on on social attitudes. We are at most one generation behind the west, maybe even less. Our "conservatives" are basically old american cucks. There is huge pressure to introduce stricter "hate speech" laws, and a lot of youngsters get all dreamy and wet about getting Poland as diverse as US, in exchange for few imaginary pats from the westerners.

    Last year I got my first "sexism" accusation in the university (for un-PC speech and writing). I have not got any trouble for that, in fact I would have not even knew about that if I wasn't interested in the students opinions about me; so make of it what you want.

    And there is Adamowicz tragical death, which the left is already using as a ram to destroy the steady walls of Polish rightwing fortress.

    OTOH, 1/5 or so of Poles openly identify as nationalists - though less than 5% actually votes for one of the nationalist parties.

    If you are VD fan, then you may recognize his law in action - any institution with no protection specifically designed to keep SJWs out, in time will be taken over by SJWs. In this case, it seems it's also relevant to whole countries. My country is being slowly taking over by SJWs. I'm pretty sure in 10 years max someone will try to evict me from the academia.

    If you are VD fan, then you may recognize his law in action – any institution with no protection specifically designed to keep SJWs out, in time will be taken over by SJWs.

    That’s Conquest’s second law actually.

  109. As someone who lives in Lithuania, i’d like to chip in on the general state of things here. Whilst we’re still very depressive and suicidal, it’s been tapering off in the last few years. Economy is doing alright i suppose, by eastern european standards. 30k GDP PPP per capita.

    Now on social attitudes. It’s pretty much what you hear from the rest of eastern Europe. Youth is very americanized/westernized and basically 100% pozzed at this point. . Media/”handshake worthy” circles/intellectual elite is almost exclusively atlanticist-NATO globalist-progressivist internationalist shills. Worst thing is that if you ever try to voice some objections to this whole thing, you get accused of being a russian shill/bot/spy. Anything traditionalist/conservative is seen as “soviet backwardness” because as we all know communism is a very socially conservative ideology. This is honestly the big difference from the west. Whilst in the west communism was always seen as the hip cool thing all the radical youngsters and feminists we’re super into, and was heavily linked with social progressive movements (sexual revolution, civil rights, SJW etc), here it’s seen as some thing that old grumpy conservative grandpas bitch about how it was “better in the old days”, similar to conservativm in the US.

    So yeah, the whole “based eastern europe” meme is mostly alt-right fanfiction honestly. There’s much less resistance to the whole SJW poz here than you think. We’re obviously not as bad as Sweden, but the youth is honestly nearing that level.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @g2k
    Surprised that the baltics have only just been mentioned. It does seem like they're culturally similar to scandinavia and without ak's "soviet freezer", they're moving very rapidly in that direction. Lithuania now has an alcohol ad ban. To comply with this, print media distributors have warehouses full of workers with scalpels whose job it is to cut offending material out of imported newspapers and magazines.
    , @AquariusAnon
    I'm surprised how emigration from the Baltics still have no end in sight. Even the Poles have stopped immigrating.

    This combined with a tiny population base to begin with, combined with endless population decline, it is not hard at all to obtain Sweden-like demographics almost overnight.
  110. Hungary’s Workers Are the Victims of a Policy That Limits Migration

    Widespread opposition to a new law aiming to manage the country’s labor shortage—while keeping migrant workers out—shows there might be limits to far-right Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s mandate.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/580333/

  111. @Long time lurker
    As someone who lives in Lithuania, i'd like to chip in on the general state of things here. Whilst we're still very depressive and suicidal, it's been tapering off in the last few years. Economy is doing alright i suppose, by eastern european standards. 30k GDP PPP per capita.

    Now on social attitudes. It's pretty much what you hear from the rest of eastern Europe. Youth is very americanized/westernized and basically 100% pozzed at this point. . Media/"handshake worthy" circles/intellectual elite is almost exclusively atlanticist-NATO globalist-progressivist internationalist shills. Worst thing is that if you ever try to voice some objections to this whole thing, you get accused of being a russian shill/bot/spy. Anything traditionalist/conservative is seen as "soviet backwardness" because as we all know communism is a very socially conservative ideology. This is honestly the big difference from the west. Whilst in the west communism was always seen as the hip cool thing all the radical youngsters and feminists we're super into, and was heavily linked with social progressive movements (sexual revolution, civil rights, SJW etc), here it's seen as some thing that old grumpy conservative grandpas bitch about how it was "better in the old days", similar to conservativm in the US.

    So yeah, the whole "based eastern europe" meme is mostly alt-right fanfiction honestly. There's much less resistance to the whole SJW poz here than you think. We're obviously not as bad as Sweden, but the youth is honestly nearing that level.

    Surprised that the baltics have only just been mentioned. It does seem like they’re culturally similar to scandinavia and without ak’s “soviet freezer”, they’re moving very rapidly in that direction. Lithuania now has an alcohol ad ban. To comply with this, print media distributors have warehouses full of workers with scalpels whose job it is to cut offending material out of imported newspapers and magazines.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    Not really surprising if Balts don't show up on a reactionary Russian blog. But everything is largely true, even the bad weather. The eastern Baltic Sea is where the air keeps swapping between warm Atlantic winds and subarctic cold so coastal cities in winter are constantly swapping between above freezing and snowing. It's not cold enough to stay snowy instead of slushy but it's windy so it feels damn cold anyway. Of course this is true of St Petersburg too.

    It is absolutely true in the Baltic states that unpozzed social attitudes are associated with the Soviet past and to some extent modern Russia and given that their whole national ambition is to separate themselves from Russia they're rushing towards poz. Finland has the same problem and people with anti-poz views are constantly accused of agreeing with Russia. Politicians regularly argue that pozzed policies are necessary to signal to the world that we belong to the Western sphere and not to the Russian sphere - whether the policies are harmful just doesn't matter, all that matters is the wish to "belong to the West".

    Estonia got pozzed earlier than the others due to being highly eager to politically and economically connect to Finland and Sweden but the others will be following. (Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that's committed to *increased* immigration.)
    , @Gerard2

    Surprised that the baltics have only just been mentioned. It does seem like they’re culturally similar to scandinavia and without ak’s “soviet freezer”, they’re moving very rapidly in that direction. Lithuania now has an alcohol ad ban. To comply with this, print media distributors have warehouses full of workers with scalpels whose job it is to cut offending material out of imported newspapers and magazines.
     
    Latvia,pretty much gave up on any pretensions of being a serious and non-parasitic state when it selected a professional homo to be their foreign Minister.

    Foreign Minister , a serious position. Strong western and russian relations required, but also big diplomacy required with the oil rich Arab states for investment and providing visa-free travel for your already mass emmigrant-prone population to work in for significant periods and help their struggling economy................but you appoint an openly faggot politician to this position when it alientates much of these Arab states and is blatantly done only to try and spite and insult Russia and , like a prostitute, gain favour from western pseudo-politicians and a time when there was all the fuss about the gay-propaganda law in Russia.

    Lamentable
  112. OT, but how is the top brass of the Chinese government planning to deal with the creeping LBGTzation of younger Chinese millenials and generation Z, since unlike the West, China is not liberal democracy, and hence has the full coercive power of the government appartus behind it, and unlike the West China has no liberal political nor cultural tradition to speak of. Is this even on their radar, or maybe being boomers people like Xi and his generation do not even have a conception of this problem, because they are so old? Or maybe they do but have no problem with the pozzing of Chinese culture, and are just waiting for the older and more conservative generations to go away before Chinese culture gets fully LGBTized as long as the CCP stays in power? Could Aquarius Anon give us an answer? Or maybe they do not care so much, since the top brass think that they can coopt gay marriage into the CCP power structure and make peace with them, unless the LGBT community calls for the overthrow of the CCP, in which case they get Falun Gonged?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    They don't like it. The authorities try to crackdown or divert some liberal elements, but it is not really working and so far they are unwilling to go full Best Korea.

    Personally, given what I see in my daily life, I believe Mainland China is just a few generations behind the trajectory of the rest of East Asia.
    , @Mitleser

    Or maybe they do not care so much, since the top brass think that they can coopt gay marriage into the CCP power structure and make peace with them, unless the LGBT community calls for the overthrow of the CCP, in which case they get Falun Gonged?
     
    The problem here is that the former was already co-opted by the Blue Empire which wants to weaken the CCP.
  113. @jbwilson24
    The fact is that EU countries are not going to be spared invasion from third world migrants.

    Poland: from what I have heard, the Polish government is welcoming in hordes of Pakis, Indians, and others on work visas. Even in this thread a commenter pointed out seeing more non-whites in public places.

    Czechia: there are reports of Arabs moving to villages, purchasing houses and having large families. That is the first wave.

    Hungary: probably safe for now, but while they can refuse migrant transfers, they cannot stop people with EU passports from coming in. Those Arabs and Somalis just have to wait till they obtain said passports. On the plus side, the fertility rate is rebounding.

    Ukraine: depopulating rapidly. A fun place to visit (I have seen every part except for Lviv), but with low fertility and a crashing population they are in trouble. With the Jews running the country, expect a wave of Muslim migrants in the near future.

    Romania: no clue, but the photo above doesn't look good.

    Balkans: fertility rates 1.4. Go there, raise kids, find that they have no one to play with. No young men to fight the muslim hordes either.

    Call me crazy, but I'll take Russia. I can live with the Uzbek infiltrators and Chechens. The Chechens and Dagestanis are pains in the ass, but at least I respect them as fighters. There's not much to respect about Pakis, Afghans or Somalis. The latter are pretty much good for nothing apart from breeding, raping, and taking welfare checks.

    I'd rather live in Irkutsk or Yekaterinburg with relatively undeveloped infrastructure, than in some EU country where I have to live around Pakis, Indians, Somalis or Afghans. Krasnodar, Rostov, Saratov, Novgorod and other cities are perfect livable as long as you aren't looking for Japanese style infrastructure.

    Maybe it is because I have young kids, but I have to take the 20-40 year view. I don't want to raise white daughters around third world males, nor do I want my sons to grow up surrounded by atomized western liberals with no sense of culture or in-group preference. Their mother is Russian, their relatives are Russian, they can identify as Russians.

    The Russian fertility rate is not great, but they do have > 100 million people. Sweden? Ireland? Buh bye.

    Czechia: there are reports of Arabs moving to villages, purchasing houses and having large families. That is the first wave.

    I would very much doubt those reports. There are pretty much no non-europeans in western european villages 60 years after they started to migrate to europe but arabs have now decided they want to move to czhech countryside. That’s not realistic.

    There really is no reason for PoC to go to Eastern Europe. They are better off financially in the west, they have their established communities there and the local population is more welcoming.

    what is much more likely to happen is that, as the percentage of non-europeans in western europe increases, most of the recent eastern european immigrants will head back home as it won’t be worth it anymore for them. i don’t think attitudes on immigration will soften in eastern europe. Western europe will collapse soon enought to discredit the mass non-white immigration model. Probably within 5-10 years.

  114. @g2k
    Surprised that the baltics have only just been mentioned. It does seem like they're culturally similar to scandinavia and without ak's "soviet freezer", they're moving very rapidly in that direction. Lithuania now has an alcohol ad ban. To comply with this, print media distributors have warehouses full of workers with scalpels whose job it is to cut offending material out of imported newspapers and magazines.

    Not really surprising if Balts don’t show up on a reactionary Russian blog. But everything is largely true, even the bad weather. The eastern Baltic Sea is where the air keeps swapping between warm Atlantic winds and subarctic cold so coastal cities in winter are constantly swapping between above freezing and snowing. It’s not cold enough to stay snowy instead of slushy but it’s windy so it feels damn cold anyway. Of course this is true of St Petersburg too.

    It is absolutely true in the Baltic states that unpozzed social attitudes are associated with the Soviet past and to some extent modern Russia and given that their whole national ambition is to separate themselves from Russia they’re rushing towards poz. Finland has the same problem and people with anti-poz views are constantly accused of agreeing with Russia. Politicians regularly argue that pozzed policies are necessary to signal to the world that we belong to the Western sphere and not to the Russian sphere – whether the policies are harmful just doesn’t matter, all that matters is the wish to “belong to the West”.

    Estonia got pozzed earlier than the others due to being highly eager to politically and economically connect to Finland and Sweden but the others will be following. (Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that’s committed to *increased* immigration.)

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Mitleser

    Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that’s committed to *increased* immigration.
     
    A SocDem-Green governments backed by liberals and commies...
    Even Merkel is not that bad. Yet.
    , @Pericles


    (Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that’s committed to *increased* immigration.)

     

    Presumably a demand by the far-poz parties like the turncoat 'Center' party (I guess they are left libertarians now) and the Greens.

    On reascending to power, PM Löfven read a list of detailed proposals (coalition demands) that lasted 45 minutes, sometimes basically contradicting himself between adjacent sentences. Wonder how that will work out.
  115. @Ender
    OT, but how is the top brass of the Chinese government planning to deal with the creeping LBGTzation of younger Chinese millenials and generation Z, since unlike the West, China is not liberal democracy, and hence has the full coercive power of the government appartus behind it, and unlike the West China has no liberal political nor cultural tradition to speak of. Is this even on their radar, or maybe being boomers people like Xi and his generation do not even have a conception of this problem, because they are so old? Or maybe they do but have no problem with the pozzing of Chinese culture, and are just waiting for the older and more conservative generations to go away before Chinese culture gets fully LGBTized as long as the CCP stays in power? Could Aquarius Anon give us an answer? Or maybe they do not care so much, since the top brass think that they can coopt gay marriage into the CCP power structure and make peace with them, unless the LGBT community calls for the overthrow of the CCP, in which case they get Falun Gonged?

    They don’t like it. The authorities try to crackdown or divert some liberal elements, but it is not really working and so far they are unwilling to go full Best Korea.

    Personally, given what I see in my daily life, I believe Mainland China is just a few generations behind the trajectory of the rest of East Asia.

    • Agree: AquariusAnon
  116. @Ender
    OT, but how is the top brass of the Chinese government planning to deal with the creeping LBGTzation of younger Chinese millenials and generation Z, since unlike the West, China is not liberal democracy, and hence has the full coercive power of the government appartus behind it, and unlike the West China has no liberal political nor cultural tradition to speak of. Is this even on their radar, or maybe being boomers people like Xi and his generation do not even have a conception of this problem, because they are so old? Or maybe they do but have no problem with the pozzing of Chinese culture, and are just waiting for the older and more conservative generations to go away before Chinese culture gets fully LGBTized as long as the CCP stays in power? Could Aquarius Anon give us an answer? Or maybe they do not care so much, since the top brass think that they can coopt gay marriage into the CCP power structure and make peace with them, unless the LGBT community calls for the overthrow of the CCP, in which case they get Falun Gonged?

    Or maybe they do not care so much, since the top brass think that they can coopt gay marriage into the CCP power structure and make peace with them, unless the LGBT community calls for the overthrow of the CCP, in which case they get Falun Gonged?

    The problem here is that the former was already co-opted by the Blue Empire which wants to weaken the CCP.

  117. @Jaakko Raipala
    Not really surprising if Balts don't show up on a reactionary Russian blog. But everything is largely true, even the bad weather. The eastern Baltic Sea is where the air keeps swapping between warm Atlantic winds and subarctic cold so coastal cities in winter are constantly swapping between above freezing and snowing. It's not cold enough to stay snowy instead of slushy but it's windy so it feels damn cold anyway. Of course this is true of St Petersburg too.

    It is absolutely true in the Baltic states that unpozzed social attitudes are associated with the Soviet past and to some extent modern Russia and given that their whole national ambition is to separate themselves from Russia they're rushing towards poz. Finland has the same problem and people with anti-poz views are constantly accused of agreeing with Russia. Politicians regularly argue that pozzed policies are necessary to signal to the world that we belong to the Western sphere and not to the Russian sphere - whether the policies are harmful just doesn't matter, all that matters is the wish to "belong to the West".

    Estonia got pozzed earlier than the others due to being highly eager to politically and economically connect to Finland and Sweden but the others will be following. (Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that's committed to *increased* immigration.)

    Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that’s committed to *increased* immigration.

    A SocDem-Green governments backed by liberals and commies…
    Even Merkel is not that bad. Yet.

    • Replies: @aloisius

    A SocDem-Green governments backed by liberals and commies…
    Even Merkel is not that bad. Yet.
     
    germany is also introducing a new law which will make it easier for non-eu citizens to work. basically, it's going to be an open borders policy.
  118. @Austrian_reader
    In Austria the demographics are still very good.
    Here are some numbers:
    Population 01.01.2018:
    Population in Austria: 8.822.267
    Austrian citizenship: 7.426.387
    European citizenship: 1.134.103 (117.297 Turks are in the European category but Armenians and Georgians are in the Asia category on the Austrian statistics site.)
    Africans: 35.774 (7.972 Nigerians, 6.206 Somalis)
    Asia: 188.323 (48.103 Syrians, 45.724 Afghans, 14.536 Iraqis, 13.833 Iranians, 12893 Chinese, 8.879 Indians, 4.519 Pakistanis)

    This year we had about 13.500 Refugee applications and 12.000 Deportations. Germany in comparison had about 150.000 Refugee applications and only 20.000-25.000 Deportations.

    In 2017 we had 9.271 naturalisations. Mostly Bosnians, Turks, Serbs and Kosovo. Sweden in comparison had 61.300 naturalisations in 2016.

    In the next months benefits get reduced for big families who live on welfare. Also a Tax cut for families got introduced in January. For each child you have you pay 1500€(125€ per month) less in taxes a year.
    You already get about 200€ in cash each month for each child you have. So that's 325€ a month for each child. The problem with the low fertility rate in Austria is not money but the culture/atheism/nihilism. You can very easily raise 5 kids here even as a working class guy.

    Glad that Austria isn’t becoming nonEuropean and Muslim at the same rate as Germany, Sweden, France, or England. But if we are trying to figure out where one might move, we have to think longer-term.

    Even the numbers you gave, combined with the fact that Austrians don’t bother having children, ensure that Austria is not a good bet over the next thirty or even twenty years.

    Like the other countries listed above, Austria will be some strange anti-white Muslim-dominated place soon enough. I’d rather just retire somewhere else within the USA (my country) when the time comes — and that’s definitely NOT because I have a very optimistic view of what much of the USA will be like 25 years from now.

    As for our children, they’ve been learning german but the suicidal immigration policies and deadly-low fertility rate of Germany and Austria make us wonder whether there’s any point to that. I guess our kids could settle in more rural USA or in Russia and travel to german-speaking places for work opportunities if that makes sense in their professions. I wonder whether Switzerland will survive in cognizable form; how does their immigration policy and TFR compare to Germany and Austria? Are there any Leute here from die Schweiz?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    As for our children, they’ve been learning german but the suicidal immigration policies and deadly-low fertility rate of Germany and Austria make us wonder whether there’s any point to that.
     
    First one available in English.

    https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home/statistiken/bevoelkerung/migration-integration/auslaendische-bevoelkerung.assetdetail.5866938.html

    https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home/statistiken/bevoelkerung/migration-integration/nach-migrationsstatuts.html

    , @German_reader

    they’ve been learning german but the suicidal immigration policies and deadly-low fertility rate of Germany and Austria make us wonder whether there’s any point to that
     
    Probably not, unless they're planning a career in Holocaust studies, it might be useful then.
    I wouldn't even recommend German for business reasons, the way things are going with that idiotic Energiewende and similar eco-nonsense plus the general decline of the education system, Germany might eventually become deindustrialized. In the not too distant future there might even be large-scale blackouts lasting days or weeks, since the energy supply is becoming increasingly unreliable.
  119. @Austrian_reader
    In Austria the demographics are still very good.
    Here are some numbers:
    Population 01.01.2018:
    Population in Austria: 8.822.267
    Austrian citizenship: 7.426.387
    European citizenship: 1.134.103 (117.297 Turks are in the European category but Armenians and Georgians are in the Asia category on the Austrian statistics site.)
    Africans: 35.774 (7.972 Nigerians, 6.206 Somalis)
    Asia: 188.323 (48.103 Syrians, 45.724 Afghans, 14.536 Iraqis, 13.833 Iranians, 12893 Chinese, 8.879 Indians, 4.519 Pakistanis)

    This year we had about 13.500 Refugee applications and 12.000 Deportations. Germany in comparison had about 150.000 Refugee applications and only 20.000-25.000 Deportations.

    In 2017 we had 9.271 naturalisations. Mostly Bosnians, Turks, Serbs and Kosovo. Sweden in comparison had 61.300 naturalisations in 2016.

    In the next months benefits get reduced for big families who live on welfare. Also a Tax cut for families got introduced in January. For each child you have you pay 1500€(125€ per month) less in taxes a year.
    You already get about 200€ in cash each month for each child you have. So that's 325€ a month for each child. The problem with the low fertility rate in Austria is not money but the culture/atheism/nihilism. You can very easily raise 5 kids here even as a working class guy.

    Fellow Austrian here.

    True it’s not F/UK/SWE bad yet but IMO the catastrophe is baked in already:
    What these figures skip over is how many of these “Austrians” were created, by administrative fiat, through naturalization. Mostly from very, *very* non-Austrians.

    These are enough people that outgoing chancellor Kern explicitly appealed to their islamist groups in Vienna for votes to stave off defeat in the last elections. Didn’t work, yet, but demographic momentum is nit good to say the least.

    In fact, there are many ‘Austrians’ who hardly speak German. Since they are citizens we won’t be able to ever get rid of them, at least without the kind of desperate lawlessness that has dire consequences of its own.

  120. @Mitleser

    Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that’s committed to *increased* immigration.
     
    A SocDem-Green governments backed by liberals and commies...
    Even Merkel is not that bad. Yet.

    A SocDem-Green governments backed by liberals and commies…
    Even Merkel is not that bad. Yet.

    germany is also introducing a new law which will make it easier for non-eu citizens to work. basically, it’s going to be an open borders policy.

  121. @RadicalCenter
    Glad that Austria isn’t becoming nonEuropean and Muslim at the same rate as Germany, Sweden, France, or England. But if we are trying to figure out where one might move, we have to think longer-term.

    Even the numbers you gave, combined with the fact that Austrians don’t bother having children, ensure that Austria is not a good bet over the next thirty or even twenty years.

    Like the other countries listed above, Austria will be some strange anti-white Muslim-dominated place soon enough. I’d rather just retire somewhere else within the USA (my country) when the time comes — and that’s definitely NOT because I have a very optimistic view of what much of the USA will be like 25 years from now.

    As for our children, they’ve been learning german but the suicidal immigration policies and deadly-low fertility rate of Germany and Austria make us wonder whether there’s any point to that. I guess our kids could settle in more rural USA or in Russia and travel to german-speaking places for work opportunities if that makes sense in their professions. I wonder whether Switzerland will survive in cognizable form; how does their immigration policy and TFR compare to Germany and Austria? Are there any Leute here from die Schweiz?

    As for our children, they’ve been learning german but the suicidal immigration policies and deadly-low fertility rate of Germany and Austria make us wonder whether there’s any point to that.

    First one available in English.

    https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home/statistiken/bevoelkerung/migration-integration/auslaendische-bevoelkerung.assetdetail.5866938.html

    https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home/statistiken/bevoelkerung/migration-integration/nach-migrationsstatuts.html

  122. @TomSchmidt
    It's not like the Republic can force someone to convert to Catholicism like the Hapsburg emperor could, as with Mahler in 1897, to take the baton at the Vienna Philharmonic. That would be anti-democratic or something.

    We did get Mahler's Fourth Symphony shortly afterward. I wonder if the two are linked.

    That’s interesting. Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.

    The more realistic prospect, unfortunately, is force, intimidation, and government policy being used to induce conversions to Islam.

    Already five years ago, Vienna’s government schools for younger kids — what Americans would call K-8 “public schools” — had more Muslim students than Catholic students. Five years ago.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4229/austria-muslims-vienna-schools

    Muslim kids in Austria are being indoctrinated in taxpayer-funded kindergarten into the more extreme and dangerous form of their religion: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8352/austria-islam-turkey

    Just read that Vienna overall is about thirteen percent Muslim. I’ll bet that the average age of the Muslim population in Vienna or Austria broadly is far lower than the average age of the nonMuslims, perhaps more than ten years apart. So in ten years, more Austrians will have died off, not to be replaced by grandchildren. The Muslims, meanwhile, will keep having at least one child more on average than nonMuslims. It’s just math, and a matter of time. Not much time, either.

    • Replies: @AP

    That’s interesting. Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.
     
    And yet the world was a much better place when it could, and did.

    This is not a coincidence.

    Already five years ago, Vienna’s government schools for younger kids — what Americans would call K-8 “public schools” — had more Muslim students than Catholic students. Five years ago.
     
    This is slightly less disturbing than it seems - about 10% of Austria's schools are private, mostly Roman Catholic ones. The number may be higher in a place like Vienna where parents may seek to avoid diversity.
    , @Aspirational Habsburg Subject
    Trend’s been slowing from ~250% in the 70s (!) but if you extrapolate the ~5.1% from 2012-2016 to 10 years, we’re looking at almost the % increase of the 2000s for the 2010s, another 2/3 compound interest.

    Figures from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Austria
    , @TomSchmidt
    Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.
    It wasn't the Church. It was the Hapsburg rulers.

    The most assertively religious societies will win out. Thus a chauvinistic Catholic empire somehow held together despite never, to my recollection, winning any wars, ruled by a German minority comprising 10%. Those individual societies that resulted afterward were overrun by revolutionaries like Bela Kun and his Bolshevists in e.g. Hungary. At least their bizarre unique language has helped the Hungarians from completely dissolving themselves in international socialism, since if they dissolve, they and their culture disappear.

    Calvinism without God (modern Progressivism) in the USA is in this way superior to Catholicism. Islam, which unapologetically insists on a one-way ratchet (Muslims may marry non-Muslims, but all the children resulting must be raised Muslim - rather like the old Catholic inter-faith insistence), is superior to Atheist Calvinism. Interesting question is whether a chauvinist Catholicism today would be stronger than Islam; it once was in Spain and Hungary.
  123. @DFH
    It is amazing how boring and unfunny reddit is compared to imageboards. I used to post on a British Nationalist board and the hundred people on there would produce much better content than tens of thousands of redditors.

    Note that, as the name implies, a ‘redditor’ isn’t creative himself, it’s someone who ‘has notes’ on what the creatives do. Like banning those who won’t conform to liberalism.txt.

  124. @RadicalCenter
    That’s interesting. Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.

    The more realistic prospect, unfortunately, is force, intimidation, and government policy being used to induce conversions to Islam.

    Already five years ago, Vienna’s government schools for younger kids — what Americans would call K-8 “public schools” — had more Muslim students than Catholic students. Five years ago.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4229/austria-muslims-vienna-schools

    Muslim kids in Austria are being indoctrinated in taxpayer-funded kindergarten into the more extreme and dangerous form of their religion: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8352/austria-islam-turkey

    Just read that Vienna overall is about thirteen percent Muslim. I’ll bet that the average age of the Muslim population in Vienna or Austria broadly is far lower than the average age of the nonMuslims, perhaps more than ten years apart. So in ten years, more Austrians will have died off, not to be replaced by grandchildren. The Muslims, meanwhile, will keep having at least one child more on average than nonMuslims. It’s just math, and a matter of time. Not much time, either.

    That’s interesting. Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.

    And yet the world was a much better place when it could, and did.

    This is not a coincidence.

    Already five years ago, Vienna’s government schools for younger kids — what Americans would call K-8 “public schools” — had more Muslim students than Catholic students. Five years ago.

    This is slightly less disturbing than it seems – about 10% of Austria’s schools are private, mostly Roman Catholic ones. The number may be higher in a place like Vienna where parents may seek to avoid diversity.

  125. @Austrian_reader
    In Austria the demographics are still very good.
    Here are some numbers:
    Population 01.01.2018:
    Population in Austria: 8.822.267
    Austrian citizenship: 7.426.387
    European citizenship: 1.134.103 (117.297 Turks are in the European category but Armenians and Georgians are in the Asia category on the Austrian statistics site.)
    Africans: 35.774 (7.972 Nigerians, 6.206 Somalis)
    Asia: 188.323 (48.103 Syrians, 45.724 Afghans, 14.536 Iraqis, 13.833 Iranians, 12893 Chinese, 8.879 Indians, 4.519 Pakistanis)

    This year we had about 13.500 Refugee applications and 12.000 Deportations. Germany in comparison had about 150.000 Refugee applications and only 20.000-25.000 Deportations.

    In 2017 we had 9.271 naturalisations. Mostly Bosnians, Turks, Serbs and Kosovo. Sweden in comparison had 61.300 naturalisations in 2016.

    In the next months benefits get reduced for big families who live on welfare. Also a Tax cut for families got introduced in January. For each child you have you pay 1500€(125€ per month) less in taxes a year.
    You already get about 200€ in cash each month for each child you have. So that's 325€ a month for each child. The problem with the low fertility rate in Austria is not money but the culture/atheism/nihilism. You can very easily raise 5 kids here even as a working class guy.

    Will be in Vienna this summer. Any tips on safe neighborhoods to stay in? I’m assuming the medieval core is good.

    • Replies: @Austrian_reader
    The most popular districts for young university educated people are 6.Mariahilf, 7.Neubau, 8.Josefstadt and 9.Alsergrund. For wealthy families it is 1. Innere Stadt, 13.Hietzing and 19. Döbling.

    In Austria we have about 700 000 Muslims.
    I guess about 300.000 Turks. They don't make trouble but are not well integrated.
    150.000-200.000 Bosnians who are very well integrated.
    I guess we have about 50 000 Albos.
    30 000 Chechens who make a lot of trouble.
    100 000 Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis. Most of those came in the last couple of years as ,,refugees".

    Fertility rates in Austria from 2017 that I could find:
    The fertility rate of women born in Austria is at 1,40. Those born in another country are at 1,92.
    Women born in countries that joined the EU before 2004 are at 1,34.
    Women born in Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia are at 1,95 in Austria.
    Women born in countries that joined the EU in 2004 are at 1,63.
    Women born in Ex-Yugoslavia(not including Slovenia and Croatia) are at 2,06.
    Women born in Turkey are at 2,37.
    Women born in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq are at 3,91.
  126. @g2k
    Surprised that the baltics have only just been mentioned. It does seem like they're culturally similar to scandinavia and without ak's "soviet freezer", they're moving very rapidly in that direction. Lithuania now has an alcohol ad ban. To comply with this, print media distributors have warehouses full of workers with scalpels whose job it is to cut offending material out of imported newspapers and magazines.

    Surprised that the baltics have only just been mentioned. It does seem like they’re culturally similar to scandinavia and without ak’s “soviet freezer”, they’re moving very rapidly in that direction. Lithuania now has an alcohol ad ban. To comply with this, print media distributors have warehouses full of workers with scalpels whose job it is to cut offending material out of imported newspapers and magazines.

    Latvia,pretty much gave up on any pretensions of being a serious and non-parasitic state when it selected a professional homo to be their foreign Minister.

    Foreign Minister , a serious position. Strong western and russian relations required, but also big diplomacy required with the oil rich Arab states for investment and providing visa-free travel for your already mass emmigrant-prone population to work in for significant periods and help their struggling economy…………….but you appoint an openly faggot politician to this position when it alientates much of these Arab states and is blatantly done only to try and spite and insult Russia and , like a prostitute, gain favour from western pseudo-politicians and a time when there was all the fuss about the gay-propaganda law in Russia.

    Lamentable

  127. @RadicalCenter
    Glad that Austria isn’t becoming nonEuropean and Muslim at the same rate as Germany, Sweden, France, or England. But if we are trying to figure out where one might move, we have to think longer-term.

    Even the numbers you gave, combined with the fact that Austrians don’t bother having children, ensure that Austria is not a good bet over the next thirty or even twenty years.

    Like the other countries listed above, Austria will be some strange anti-white Muslim-dominated place soon enough. I’d rather just retire somewhere else within the USA (my country) when the time comes — and that’s definitely NOT because I have a very optimistic view of what much of the USA will be like 25 years from now.

    As for our children, they’ve been learning german but the suicidal immigration policies and deadly-low fertility rate of Germany and Austria make us wonder whether there’s any point to that. I guess our kids could settle in more rural USA or in Russia and travel to german-speaking places for work opportunities if that makes sense in their professions. I wonder whether Switzerland will survive in cognizable form; how does their immigration policy and TFR compare to Germany and Austria? Are there any Leute here from die Schweiz?

    they’ve been learning german but the suicidal immigration policies and deadly-low fertility rate of Germany and Austria make us wonder whether there’s any point to that

    Probably not, unless they’re planning a career in Holocaust studies, it might be useful then.
    I wouldn’t even recommend German for business reasons, the way things are going with that idiotic Energiewende and similar eco-nonsense plus the general decline of the education system, Germany might eventually become deindustrialized. In the not too distant future there might even be large-scale blackouts lasting days or weeks, since the energy supply is becoming increasingly unreliable.

  128. @songbird
    Hungary: lowest level of English and difficult language are very positive in the abstract. It means it is not as connected into the decadent, globalist brainwashing apparatus.

    Hungary: lowest level of English and difficult language are very positive in the abstract. It means it is not as connected into the decadent, globalist brainwashing apparatus.

    Many English go there for complex dentistry! It’s a fully western country.
    the term “liberal democracy” is a disgusting misnomer. Only “democracy” is a term…of which Hungary fully is.
    They do have the worst health though of people in that area– heavy drinking and smoking , comparatively

  129. Article about demographics in Austria from 2017:
    https://diepresse.com/home/panorama/religion/5263601/Zahl-der-Muslime-in-Oesterreich-seit-2001-verdoppelt
    Percentage of Muslims doubled from 4% in 2001 to 8% in 2017 (700 000 in absolute numbers).
    They mention several possible scenarios for developments till 2046 (“no migration”, “mostly European migration”, “European and Near Eastern migration”, “strong Near Eastern and African migration”), which would mean an increase of Muslims to 12%, 14%, 17% and 21% respectively.

    • Replies: @songbird
    I was just thinking about how obsessed various Western countries were with numerical superiority in military matters. The UK had its two hull strategy. JFK campaigned on the missile gap in 1960. There were so many treaties. At least a part of the reasoning behind them was budgetary, that an infinite arms race would bankrupt them. But now we face infinite immigration, where the immigrants are a financial burden and an enormous and unprecedented threat to peace.

    The past is so amazingly at variance with current immigration policy. It is difficult to explain. Political correctness. Virtue-signaling. Or that military things are playthings for the elites - pork for their supporters. Status symbols.
  130. If we just look at GDP growth then Canada and Australia will be doing extremely well this century because of their merit based immigration policy.
    I am also not that pessimistic about the future of the USA if you can implement a merit based immigration policy and have extremely family friendly tax policies.

    When it comes to the European Union/Continental Europe I am the most pessimistic. We have very low fertility rates and not a lot of innovation. What will happen to Greece and Italy during the next recession? Most eastern European countries also have the problem of emigration.
    The high fertility rates in Africa and the Middle East are a huge problem for Europe. I expect most Palestinians to eventually land in Europe.
    How do the Turks and Kurds get along in Turkey? This is also a ticking time bomb because of the higher fertility rates of the Kurds.
    What if shit hits the fan in Egypt? I could easily imagine 5-10 million Egyptians fleeing to Europe.
    Nigeria will be insane if you look at the population growth there.

    The demographics in Europe will gradually get worse and worse. A lot of rich and highly educated Europeans will most likely move to the Anglosphere this century.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Good choice if they can afford the better parts of the USA, Canada, or Australia, and are middle-aged or older.

    For younger people, though, it might be wiser to learn a Slavic language and look into Russia as a better place to flee.
  131. @RadicalCenter
    That’s interesting. Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.

    The more realistic prospect, unfortunately, is force, intimidation, and government policy being used to induce conversions to Islam.

    Already five years ago, Vienna’s government schools for younger kids — what Americans would call K-8 “public schools” — had more Muslim students than Catholic students. Five years ago.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4229/austria-muslims-vienna-schools

    Muslim kids in Austria are being indoctrinated in taxpayer-funded kindergarten into the more extreme and dangerous form of their religion: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8352/austria-islam-turkey

    Just read that Vienna overall is about thirteen percent Muslim. I’ll bet that the average age of the Muslim population in Vienna or Austria broadly is far lower than the average age of the nonMuslims, perhaps more than ten years apart. So in ten years, more Austrians will have died off, not to be replaced by grandchildren. The Muslims, meanwhile, will keep having at least one child more on average than nonMuslims. It’s just math, and a matter of time. Not much time, either.

    Trend’s been slowing from ~250% in the 70s (!) but if you extrapolate the ~5.1% from 2012-2016 to 10 years, we’re looking at almost the % increase of the 2000s for the 2010s, another 2/3 compound interest.

    Figures from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Austria

    • Replies: @AP
    The link is actually good news for Austria. Most of the Muslims in Austria are Turks and Bosnian Slavs. Like Tatars and Bashkirs in Russia, these are fairly civilized people. If Austria's Muslims were Algerians as in France, it would be much more troublesome.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Thank you. No cause for optimism there....
  132. @AP
    Will be in Vienna this summer. Any tips on safe neighborhoods to stay in? I'm assuming the medieval core is good.

    The most popular districts for young university educated people are 6.Mariahilf, 7.Neubau, 8.Josefstadt and 9.Alsergrund. For wealthy families it is 1. Innere Stadt, 13.Hietzing and 19. Döbling.

    In Austria we have about 700 000 Muslims.
    I guess about 300.000 Turks. They don’t make trouble but are not well integrated.
    150.000-200.000 Bosnians who are very well integrated.
    I guess we have about 50 000 Albos.
    30 000 Chechens who make a lot of trouble.
    100 000 Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis. Most of those came in the last couple of years as ,,refugees”.

    Fertility rates in Austria from 2017 that I could find:
    The fertility rate of women born in Austria is at 1,40. Those born in another country are at 1,92.
    Women born in countries that joined the EU before 2004 are at 1,34.
    Women born in Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia are at 1,95 in Austria.
    Women born in countries that joined the EU in 2004 are at 1,63.
    Women born in Ex-Yugoslavia(not including Slovenia and Croatia) are at 2,06.
    Women born in Turkey are at 2,37.
    Women born in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq are at 3,91.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    So, even if the TFR of Turks in Austria falls to replacement level 2.1, and the same happens for the much higher nonTurk Muslim TFR in Austria, actual Austrians are screwed.

    Even if there were no further Muslim immigration — yeah right — a Muslim population that merely retains its current size will constitute a slightly larger percentage of the Austrian population with each passing year.
  133. @Aspirational Habsburg Subject
    Trend’s been slowing from ~250% in the 70s (!) but if you extrapolate the ~5.1% from 2012-2016 to 10 years, we’re looking at almost the % increase of the 2000s for the 2010s, another 2/3 compound interest.

    Figures from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Austria

    The link is actually good news for Austria. Most of the Muslims in Austria are Turks and Bosnian Slavs. Like Tatars and Bashkirs in Russia, these are fairly civilized people. If Austria’s Muslims were Algerians as in France, it would be much more troublesome.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    See your point, but several rejoinders.

    First, people act differently, whatever their race or religion, as their group gains numbers and strength in a city or society. We shouldn’t assume that these supposedly non-extreme Muslims will continue to be “fairly civilized” as their younger, more confident group grows ever stronger vis-a-vis the aging, demoralized, Genetic-deadend nonMuslims known as white Europeans.

    Second, the Armenians would beg to differ about the fairly civilized nature of Turks. In the longer term, it is naive to consider them “the good Muslims” or even the “not-so-bad Muslims.” To be specific, what would turkey and Azerbaijan be doing to Armenians and Armenia right now, if Russia were not there to protect Armenia?

    Third, Turkey, especially under erdogan, is actively stirring up separatist and supremacist sentiment among its people abroad, especially in Germany and Austria.

    Soon the debate in Germany and Austria won’t be how to assimilate and integrate Muslims into a nonMuslim Western society, but how to assimilate and integrate nonMuslims into the emerging Muslim regime. What exactly will a German or Austrian population that’s mostly in their forties through eighties do, physically, against Muslims who are mostly in their teens through thirties/atmost forties? Submit, that’s what.

  134. @AP
    The link is actually good news for Austria. Most of the Muslims in Austria are Turks and Bosnian Slavs. Like Tatars and Bashkirs in Russia, these are fairly civilized people. If Austria's Muslims were Algerians as in France, it would be much more troublesome.

    See your point, but several rejoinders.

    First, people act differently, whatever their race or religion, as their group gains numbers and strength in a city or society. We shouldn’t assume that these supposedly non-extreme Muslims will continue to be “fairly civilized” as their younger, more confident group grows ever stronger vis-a-vis the aging, demoralized, Genetic-deadend nonMuslims known as white Europeans.

    Second, the Armenians would beg to differ about the fairly civilized nature of Turks. In the longer term, it is naive to consider them “the good Muslims” or even the “not-so-bad Muslims.” To be specific, what would turkey and Azerbaijan be doing to Armenians and Armenia right now, if Russia were not there to protect Armenia?

    Third, Turkey, especially under erdogan, is actively stirring up separatist and supremacist sentiment among its people abroad, especially in Germany and Austria.

    Soon the debate in Germany and Austria won’t be how to assimilate and integrate Muslims into a nonMuslim Western society, but how to assimilate and integrate nonMuslims into the emerging Muslim regime. What exactly will a German or Austrian population that’s mostly in their forties through eighties do, physically, against Muslims who are mostly in their teens through thirties/atmost forties? Submit, that’s what.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
    In France, most first generation north africans were generally much more secular than second generation immigrants. Islam serves as an ethnic marker for them. And anyone who went to a Turkish neighborhood in Germany knows that the same thing is happening there.
    , @AP
    Regarding Turks, they are fairly civilized and trouble-free wherever they are, be it Turkey itself or Germany or Austria. The pattern is well-established. As for the Armenian genocide, the genociders were mostly Kurds, and at any rate like the Japanese atrocities in Nanking or German behavior during World War II it doesn't tell much about how civilized these people are in day to day life.
    , @Aspirational Habsburg Subject
    A few more observations:

    Most of the turks here are from the most backwards parts of Turkey in the east of Anatolia. They came as gastarbeiter and have family reunified and been fertile and their numbers have become huge. These people are politically inert so far, for the same reason Mexicans in the US have been, to put it politely. Once Erdogan needs something, they will be a *giant* problem as e.g. the Netherlands have found out.

    There are also some Istanbul-style metropolitan types around Brunnenmarkt in Vienna. Smart, educated and hard-working people; good neighbors. If Erdogan keeps going like this maybe more will want to come, but at this point I’d want to decline unless we can exchange them against some fans of E who are already here.

    The numbers cited here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/eastern-lebensraum/#comment-2771641 Still seem better than reality. As I have noted in http://www.unz.com/akarlin/eastern-lebensraum/#comment-2771474 the “women born in Austria” with 1.43 already includes many who have ethnicity (and TFR) from the other categories, so “Autrichiens de souche” birthrate is abysmal. From my personal experience e.g. we are the only (!) family among our friends that has both more children than replacement rate & is university educated. We are also the only such nuclear family from our wider families in our generation, bar one.

    Anecdotally, I’m in the bus & here in the rear section there was *one* other certainly Austrian (substantially) passenger; he was very old. The rest was made up by two average-looking Arabs, a young negro mother (with the only child in the bus) who looked quite elegant and got out at the first stop with a bit of a worried look because a multi-ethnic group of young trashy men was loudly quoting or composing vulgar rap lyrics in German at each other.

    Multi-ethnic gangs! At least we made The Warriors real!

    This is fairly common, to only hear German in public as the lingua Franca of different foreign ethnicities. One of them might have actually been Austrian by looks, a very stupid Looking kid absimilated to the point of speaking in the same Berlin-turk accent.

    So, finis austriæ, to tl;dr this.
  135. @Aspirational Habsburg Subject
    Trend’s been slowing from ~250% in the 70s (!) but if you extrapolate the ~5.1% from 2012-2016 to 10 years, we’re looking at almost the % increase of the 2000s for the 2010s, another 2/3 compound interest.

    Figures from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Austria

    Thank you. No cause for optimism there….

  136. @RadicalCenter
    That’s interesting. Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.

    The more realistic prospect, unfortunately, is force, intimidation, and government policy being used to induce conversions to Islam.

    Already five years ago, Vienna’s government schools for younger kids — what Americans would call K-8 “public schools” — had more Muslim students than Catholic students. Five years ago.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4229/austria-muslims-vienna-schools

    Muslim kids in Austria are being indoctrinated in taxpayer-funded kindergarten into the more extreme and dangerous form of their religion: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8352/austria-islam-turkey

    Just read that Vienna overall is about thirteen percent Muslim. I’ll bet that the average age of the Muslim population in Vienna or Austria broadly is far lower than the average age of the nonMuslims, perhaps more than ten years apart. So in ten years, more Austrians will have died off, not to be replaced by grandchildren. The Muslims, meanwhile, will keep having at least one child more on average than nonMuslims. It’s just math, and a matter of time. Not much time, either.

    Glad that the Catholic Church can’t force people to convert in Austria anymore.
    It wasn’t the Church. It was the Hapsburg rulers.

    The most assertively religious societies will win out. Thus a chauvinistic Catholic empire somehow held together despite never, to my recollection, winning any wars, ruled by a German minority comprising 10%. Those individual societies that resulted afterward were overrun by revolutionaries like Bela Kun and his Bolshevists in e.g. Hungary. At least their bizarre unique language has helped the Hungarians from completely dissolving themselves in international socialism, since if they dissolve, they and their culture disappear.

    Calvinism without God (modern Progressivism) in the USA is in this way superior to Catholicism. Islam, which unapologetically insists on a one-way ratchet (Muslims may marry non-Muslims, but all the children resulting must be raised Muslim – rather like the old Catholic inter-faith insistence), is superior to Atheist Calvinism. Interesting question is whether a chauvinist Catholicism today would be stronger than Islam; it once was in Spain and Hungary.

  137. @Austrian_reader
    If we just look at GDP growth then Canada and Australia will be doing extremely well this century because of their merit based immigration policy.
    I am also not that pessimistic about the future of the USA if you can implement a merit based immigration policy and have extremely family friendly tax policies.

    When it comes to the European Union/Continental Europe I am the most pessimistic. We have very low fertility rates and not a lot of innovation. What will happen to Greece and Italy during the next recession? Most eastern European countries also have the problem of emigration.
    The high fertility rates in Africa and the Middle East are a huge problem for Europe. I expect most Palestinians to eventually land in Europe.
    How do the Turks and Kurds get along in Turkey? This is also a ticking time bomb because of the higher fertility rates of the Kurds.
    What if shit hits the fan in Egypt? I could easily imagine 5-10 million Egyptians fleeing to Europe.
    Nigeria will be insane if you look at the population growth there.

    The demographics in Europe will gradually get worse and worse. A lot of rich and highly educated Europeans will most likely move to the Anglosphere this century.

    Good choice if they can afford the better parts of the USA, Canada, or Australia, and are middle-aged or older.

    For younger people, though, it might be wiser to learn a Slavic language and look into Russia as a better place to flee.

  138. @Austrian_reader
    The most popular districts for young university educated people are 6.Mariahilf, 7.Neubau, 8.Josefstadt and 9.Alsergrund. For wealthy families it is 1. Innere Stadt, 13.Hietzing and 19. Döbling.

    In Austria we have about 700 000 Muslims.
    I guess about 300.000 Turks. They don't make trouble but are not well integrated.
    150.000-200.000 Bosnians who are very well integrated.
    I guess we have about 50 000 Albos.
    30 000 Chechens who make a lot of trouble.
    100 000 Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis. Most of those came in the last couple of years as ,,refugees".

    Fertility rates in Austria from 2017 that I could find:
    The fertility rate of women born in Austria is at 1,40. Those born in another country are at 1,92.
    Women born in countries that joined the EU before 2004 are at 1,34.
    Women born in Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia are at 1,95 in Austria.
    Women born in countries that joined the EU in 2004 are at 1,63.
    Women born in Ex-Yugoslavia(not including Slovenia and Croatia) are at 2,06.
    Women born in Turkey are at 2,37.
    Women born in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq are at 3,91.

    So, even if the TFR of Turks in Austria falls to replacement level 2.1, and the same happens for the much higher nonTurk Muslim TFR in Austria, actual Austrians are screwed.

    Even if there were no further Muslim immigration — yeah right — a Muslim population that merely retains its current size will constitute a slightly larger percentage of the Austrian population with each passing year.

  139. @Jaakko Raipala
    Not really surprising if Balts don't show up on a reactionary Russian blog. But everything is largely true, even the bad weather. The eastern Baltic Sea is where the air keeps swapping between warm Atlantic winds and subarctic cold so coastal cities in winter are constantly swapping between above freezing and snowing. It's not cold enough to stay snowy instead of slushy but it's windy so it feels damn cold anyway. Of course this is true of St Petersburg too.

    It is absolutely true in the Baltic states that unpozzed social attitudes are associated with the Soviet past and to some extent modern Russia and given that their whole national ambition is to separate themselves from Russia they're rushing towards poz. Finland has the same problem and people with anti-poz views are constantly accused of agreeing with Russia. Politicians regularly argue that pozzed policies are necessary to signal to the world that we belong to the Western sphere and not to the Russian sphere - whether the policies are harmful just doesn't matter, all that matters is the wish to "belong to the West".

    Estonia got pozzed earlier than the others due to being highly eager to politically and economically connect to Finland and Sweden but the others will be following. (Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that's committed to *increased* immigration.)

    (Sweden, by the way, has just outdone itself with a new government coalition that’s committed to *increased* immigration.)

    Presumably a demand by the far-poz parties like the turncoat ‘Center’ party (I guess they are left libertarians now) and the Greens.

    On reascending to power, PM Löfven read a list of detailed proposals (coalition demands) that lasted 45 minutes, sometimes basically contradicting himself between adjacent sentences. Wonder how that will work out.

  140. @RadicalCenter
    See your point, but several rejoinders.

    First, people act differently, whatever their race or religion, as their group gains numbers and strength in a city or society. We shouldn’t assume that these supposedly non-extreme Muslims will continue to be “fairly civilized” as their younger, more confident group grows ever stronger vis-a-vis the aging, demoralized, Genetic-deadend nonMuslims known as white Europeans.

    Second, the Armenians would beg to differ about the fairly civilized nature of Turks. In the longer term, it is naive to consider them “the good Muslims” or even the “not-so-bad Muslims.” To be specific, what would turkey and Azerbaijan be doing to Armenians and Armenia right now, if Russia were not there to protect Armenia?

    Third, Turkey, especially under erdogan, is actively stirring up separatist and supremacist sentiment among its people abroad, especially in Germany and Austria.

    Soon the debate in Germany and Austria won’t be how to assimilate and integrate Muslims into a nonMuslim Western society, but how to assimilate and integrate nonMuslims into the emerging Muslim regime. What exactly will a German or Austrian population that’s mostly in their forties through eighties do, physically, against Muslims who are mostly in their teens through thirties/atmost forties? Submit, that’s what.

    In France, most first generation north africans were generally much more secular than second generation immigrants. Islam serves as an ethnic marker for them. And anyone who went to a Turkish neighborhood in Germany knows that the same thing is happening there.

  141. @RadicalCenter
    See your point, but several rejoinders.

    First, people act differently, whatever their race or religion, as their group gains numbers and strength in a city or society. We shouldn’t assume that these supposedly non-extreme Muslims will continue to be “fairly civilized” as their younger, more confident group grows ever stronger vis-a-vis the aging, demoralized, Genetic-deadend nonMuslims known as white Europeans.

    Second, the Armenians would beg to differ about the fairly civilized nature of Turks. In the longer term, it is naive to consider them “the good Muslims” or even the “not-so-bad Muslims.” To be specific, what would turkey and Azerbaijan be doing to Armenians and Armenia right now, if Russia were not there to protect Armenia?

    Third, Turkey, especially under erdogan, is actively stirring up separatist and supremacist sentiment among its people abroad, especially in Germany and Austria.

    Soon the debate in Germany and Austria won’t be how to assimilate and integrate Muslims into a nonMuslim Western society, but how to assimilate and integrate nonMuslims into the emerging Muslim regime. What exactly will a German or Austrian population that’s mostly in their forties through eighties do, physically, against Muslims who are mostly in their teens through thirties/atmost forties? Submit, that’s what.

    Regarding Turks, they are fairly civilized and trouble-free wherever they are, be it Turkey itself or Germany or Austria. The pattern is well-established. As for the Armenian genocide, the genociders were mostly Kurds, and at any rate like the Japanese atrocities in Nanking or German behavior during World War II it doesn’t tell much about how civilized these people are in day to day life.

    • Replies: @Thumbhead
    Turks are definitely not a trouble-free group in Germany, and have successfully created several no-go ghettos in German cities. Their crime rates, relative to their numbers, speak volumes. Germany also got the worst kind of Turks - illiterate rural inbreds who regularly marry their cousins and practice things like honor-killing. (Kurds are even worse in this regard).

    Turkish sex tourists rolling down Khreschatyk aren't very representative of the country's emigrants.
  142. @Long time lurker
    As someone who lives in Lithuania, i'd like to chip in on the general state of things here. Whilst we're still very depressive and suicidal, it's been tapering off in the last few years. Economy is doing alright i suppose, by eastern european standards. 30k GDP PPP per capita.

    Now on social attitudes. It's pretty much what you hear from the rest of eastern Europe. Youth is very americanized/westernized and basically 100% pozzed at this point. . Media/"handshake worthy" circles/intellectual elite is almost exclusively atlanticist-NATO globalist-progressivist internationalist shills. Worst thing is that if you ever try to voice some objections to this whole thing, you get accused of being a russian shill/bot/spy. Anything traditionalist/conservative is seen as "soviet backwardness" because as we all know communism is a very socially conservative ideology. This is honestly the big difference from the west. Whilst in the west communism was always seen as the hip cool thing all the radical youngsters and feminists we're super into, and was heavily linked with social progressive movements (sexual revolution, civil rights, SJW etc), here it's seen as some thing that old grumpy conservative grandpas bitch about how it was "better in the old days", similar to conservativm in the US.

    So yeah, the whole "based eastern europe" meme is mostly alt-right fanfiction honestly. There's much less resistance to the whole SJW poz here than you think. We're obviously not as bad as Sweden, but the youth is honestly nearing that level.

    I’m surprised how emigration from the Baltics still have no end in sight. Even the Poles have stopped immigrating.

    This combined with a tiny population base to begin with, combined with endless population decline, it is not hard at all to obtain Sweden-like demographics almost overnight.

  143. @RadicalCenter
    See your point, but several rejoinders.

    First, people act differently, whatever their race or religion, as their group gains numbers and strength in a city or society. We shouldn’t assume that these supposedly non-extreme Muslims will continue to be “fairly civilized” as their younger, more confident group grows ever stronger vis-a-vis the aging, demoralized, Genetic-deadend nonMuslims known as white Europeans.

    Second, the Armenians would beg to differ about the fairly civilized nature of Turks. In the longer term, it is naive to consider them “the good Muslims” or even the “not-so-bad Muslims.” To be specific, what would turkey and Azerbaijan be doing to Armenians and Armenia right now, if Russia were not there to protect Armenia?

    Third, Turkey, especially under erdogan, is actively stirring up separatist and supremacist sentiment among its people abroad, especially in Germany and Austria.

    Soon the debate in Germany and Austria won’t be how to assimilate and integrate Muslims into a nonMuslim Western society, but how to assimilate and integrate nonMuslims into the emerging Muslim regime. What exactly will a German or Austrian population that’s mostly in their forties through eighties do, physically, against Muslims who are mostly in their teens through thirties/atmost forties? Submit, that’s what.

    A few more observations:

    Most of the turks here are from the most backwards parts of Turkey in the east of Anatolia. They came as gastarbeiter and have family reunified and been fertile and their numbers have become huge. These people are politically inert so far, for the same reason Mexicans in the US have been, to put it politely. Once Erdogan needs something, they will be a *giant* problem as e.g. the Netherlands have found out.

    There are also some Istanbul-style metropolitan types around Brunnenmarkt in Vienna. Smart, educated and hard-working people; good neighbors. If Erdogan keeps going like this maybe more will want to come, but at this point I’d want to decline unless we can exchange them against some fans of E who are already here.

    The numbers cited here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/eastern-lebensraum/#comment-2771641 Still seem better than reality. As I have noted in http://www.unz.com/akarlin/eastern-lebensraum/#comment-2771474 the “women born in Austria” with 1.43 already includes many who have ethnicity (and TFR) from the other categories, so “Autrichiens de souche” birthrate is abysmal. From my personal experience e.g. we are the only (!) family among our friends that has both more children than replacement rate & is university educated. We are also the only such nuclear family from our wider families in our generation, bar one.

    Anecdotally, I’m in the bus & here in the rear section there was *one* other certainly Austrian (substantially) passenger; he was very old. The rest was made up by two average-looking Arabs, a young negro mother (with the only child in the bus) who looked quite elegant and got out at the first stop with a bit of a worried look because a multi-ethnic group of young trashy men was loudly quoting or composing vulgar rap lyrics in German at each other.

    Multi-ethnic gangs! At least we made The Warriors real!

    This is fairly common, to only hear German in public as the lingua Franca of different foreign ethnicities. One of them might have actually been Austrian by looks, a very stupid Looking kid absimilated to the point of speaking in the same Berlin-turk accent.

    So, finis austriæ, to tl;dr this.

  144. @Austrian_reader
    In Austria the demographics are still very good.
    Here are some numbers:
    Population 01.01.2018:
    Population in Austria: 8.822.267
    Austrian citizenship: 7.426.387
    European citizenship: 1.134.103 (117.297 Turks are in the European category but Armenians and Georgians are in the Asia category on the Austrian statistics site.)
    Africans: 35.774 (7.972 Nigerians, 6.206 Somalis)
    Asia: 188.323 (48.103 Syrians, 45.724 Afghans, 14.536 Iraqis, 13.833 Iranians, 12893 Chinese, 8.879 Indians, 4.519 Pakistanis)

    This year we had about 13.500 Refugee applications and 12.000 Deportations. Germany in comparison had about 150.000 Refugee applications and only 20.000-25.000 Deportations.

    In 2017 we had 9.271 naturalisations. Mostly Bosnians, Turks, Serbs and Kosovo. Sweden in comparison had 61.300 naturalisations in 2016.

    In the next months benefits get reduced for big families who live on welfare. Also a Tax cut for families got introduced in January. For each child you have you pay 1500€(125€ per month) less in taxes a year.
    You already get about 200€ in cash each month for each child you have. So that's 325€ a month for each child. The problem with the low fertility rate in Austria is not money but the culture/atheism/nihilism. You can very easily raise 5 kids here even as a working class guy.

    Thanks for the numbers. My sense is that out of the 1.3 million Austrian citizen in Vienna a substantial % is of non-European origin. The official statistics also miss the people who moved to Vienna semi-illegally to join relatives, as students, or simply over-stayed. I know some people who teach in Viennese schools, they say that elementary schools are around 50% non-European. When one goes around Vienna at least 1 in 5 people is clearly visibly foreign.

    Austria’s overall demographics are still good, I agree. But Vienna is wobbly and the long-term trend is towards slowly becoming similar to Brussels, Berlin, and Paris. Vienna is very dominant in Austria – 1/4 of population. This is extremely important: the two countries that are a key to Central-eastern Europe staying European are Poland and Austria. Vienna is the informal regional capitol and the main entry point. When I do the numbers going forward, it doesn’t look very good.

  145. FWIW, Poland won on my Twitter poll.

  146. @Bao Jiankang
    Wouldn't the best place for western traditionalists be scandinavia? Yes it's very liberal and PC and they have some immigrants, but their welfare state makes having large families very affordable.

    Th only western traditionalist are groups like the mormons. 'Western trads'/ white nats talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. Serious nationalists like the early zionists understand the importance of fertility even if they don't have much money for each kid (kids have to share a bedroom, boo hoo). Most white nats/ trads are NEETs.

    The only westerners who move to EE are PUAs in search of poosy paradise. These PUAs live a promiscous non-monogamous lifestyle and complain that western women are not trad. What a joke!

    If you enjoy the NEET life and having casual sex then just embrace it. Nothing wrong with it.

    No actual western nat is moving to EE.

    Denmark is liberal but not pozzed. The same can’t be said about Sweden, but you could live somewhere in the countryside and avoid the nonsense.

    • Replies: @AquariusAnon
    With a Chinese name like Bao Jiankang (preserve good health), its probably some white guy troll who happens to know how to speak some Chinese.
  147. As much as I like Russia I think another thing you forgot to mention about Russia is the horrendous driving in there… If I were to move to Russia(Something that I am thinking about for a long time now) I wouldn’t own a car because by all accounts driving in there is a potential death wish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    Depends of what statistic you are using it looks like driving in Russia is 2-4 more dangerous than the rest of Eastern Europe.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Depends on where you settle.

    Most expats, of course, go to Moscow. And Moscow's rate is 3x lower than the national average - i.e., similar to Czechia or Italy.

    It is of course more dangerous in the provinces, which are 10 years behind Moscow and there's a significant incidence of drunk driving.
    , @Gerard2

    As much as I like Russia I think another thing you forgot to mention about Russia is the horrendous driving in there… If I were to move to Russia(Something that I am thinking about for a long time now) I wouldn’t own a car because by all accounts driving in there is a potential death wish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    Depends of what statistic you are using it looks like driving in Russia is 2-4 more dangerous than the rest of Eastern Europe.
     
    In 2014 the deaths on roads were 28000 , for the last year it was about 19000 deaths. A few years before 2013 it was something like 35000 deaths ( and with a lower rate of car ownership compared to now, or at least on an upward spiral)

    The deaths on roads has obvious massively decreased although the rate of accidents has decreased at a lower percentage - I think it's down to better roads and junction design with the amount of lunatics on the road not decreasing as much as would be liked, another poster , Dmitry thinks it is down to the upgraded car fleet

    Conclusion? Roads are improving and so is general driver behaviour, but still a huge amount of lunatics on the road and way too many accidents involving pedestrians
  148. @TelfoedJohn
    Denmark is liberal but not pozzed. The same can’t be said about Sweden, but you could live somewhere in the countryside and avoid the nonsense.

    With a Chinese name like Bao Jiankang (preserve good health), its probably some white guy troll who happens to know how to speak some Chinese.

  149. @Polish Perspective
    If I had to choose between all the countries mentioned, I would choose Russia, even if it is the weaker candidate than either my own country or Czechia on a range of issues right now. Why? Because if you want to settle in a country for the long haul then you need to think beyond the immediate comforts. Your own life will be upended permanently regardless of where you move, and thus you really need to think of your kids.

    What Russia has which the others do not:

    True independence. Russia may or may not fall to SJW cancer, but its fate is entirely in its own hands. It has a truly self-sufficient economy to a much greater extent, very low debt, massive natural resources and tons of land. Its people have proven themselves for centuries when times got very tough. You need that track record.

    Poland is both whiter and richer. It is less corrupt and it has much less onerous hate speech laws. I don't know about Russia's homeschooling laws, but ours are very good. Generally, the policy here is very pro-family. The state has very limited capability to take away your kids if they deem you unfit unless in very serious instances (such as rampant alcoholism etc). There was even a case of a Norwegian woman who fled to Poland recently to avoid her authorities taking her kids and subsequently sought asylum, created quite a stir in our media. (She was granted).

    But Poland has one distinct disadvantage which makes all those advantages appear fleeting: it is extremely dependent on the US, which in turn is extremely hostile to whites. Therefore, its long-term options are quite limited unless China would somehow extend its reach into Europe (very unlikely) and/or Europe itself uncucks itself and becomes much more nationalist (also unlikely). Even if the latter were to be true, history tells us that nationalists are not exactly great collaborators. So Polish geography would once again become the perennial woe.

    Czechia is an alluring option on the surface. It has the advantages of Poland yet is richer and more liberal in the best sense (gun laws). Though its distance is shrinking. On PPP-adjusted wages, it is already behind us. While Czechia has a better geographic position - and thus more easily be able to withstand ZOG cultural/political pressure in exchange for security - it is still a small country of 10 million. Even if, let's say, it managed to "hold out" it would still be doomed in the long run if the rest of its neighbours fell to the same cancer. Being surrounded demographically by a slow-moving cancer is not a viable long-term strategy.

    My advice to this individual would thus be to look for Russia first and foremost, then Czechia, then Poland. Slovakia is too small and Hungary has too many gypsies. Hungary is also placed most precariously of all the Visegrad nations, given its proximity to the Balkans. So even if the regime is good, there will always be a certain, eh, "spillover" during the summers. Especially as Hungary is getting richer. This will compound itself as the years roll on.

    Ultimately, however, I do not subscribe to 'Eastern Exceptionalism'. Europe will not survive if the West falls, especially since we're so economically interlinked now. I would actually unironically advise said person to even look into Scandinavia. They are whiter today - with the exception of Sweden - than the US was in 1965. Some of them have good homeschooling. Rural Norway, say, need not be a terrible place if you can afford it and the kids don't mind the countryside. I'd even look into Iceland. Poz is a factor, but can be neutralised somewhat by where you are and taking your kids out of public schools.

    But ultimately, I do not believe that running away is an option for most people and for most countries. Borders are too porous, and so are ideas. This may not be what the person in mind wanted to hear, but it is the unvarnished truth, at least as I see it.

    Rural Norway, say, need not be a terrible place if you can afford it and the kids don’t mind the countryside.

    Rural and coastal Norway are very attractive places to live. Unlike many other visually appealing places in Europe, it isn’t dirt poor – quite the opposite – so it doesn’t need to persuade tourists to come and spend money. The money hasn’t turned the inhabitants into gold-chain wearing vulgarians either, as might happen if southern or eastern Europe found too much oil.

  150. While in the West you can’t criticize Jews, in Russia you can’t criticize Caucasians or Islam.

    To an English speaker this must sound very confusing if not ridiculous, in the end it even sounds straight out funny. Russia as a White Nationalist Islamic sanctuary, haha. We may invent some other term for those people down to the Kuban-Terek line, like “Kavkazians”, probably. Or simply Kebabs, this better reflects the essence of their national culture. Of course, best to never use “Caucasian” as a racial term, but I know it will never happen.

    In Russia you also cannot criticize Jews, and to some degree the Orthodox Church. Also the WWII revisionism and Neo-Nazi is strictly verboten like in Germany, and unlike some other countries in Eastern Europe (namely, Ukraine, the Baltics, Hungary) where the WWII revisionism is endorsed and is a part of state/national ideology.

    On the other hand, in the West you cannot criticize the people from MENA and Islam as well, so this is not very different from Russia.

    So I do not see much difference in that respect.

    Of course, the exception is “the land of free” where you can criticize anybody and go full KKK/Neo-Nazi and march with swastika and torches on the street, but “bigot” is the best label you will get. Of course, getting to jail for a wrong commentary in social media is not normal, but getting a label of a bigot and living the rest of your life as a social outcast is unlikely better. After all the fine you could pay, and the jail time would end, but you would hardly get rid of the bigot reputation, this will be for life, bye-bye any serious life prospects.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Good to see you back, Boris N.

    In Russia you also cannot criticize Jews..
     
    Relative to the West, you can. Ultimate example of this is a recent 282 case: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-great-chain-of-racial-privilege/

    * Cleared of wrongdoing for Holocaust denial (would cert. lose your job in the US, and your freedom for 3-5 years in Germany/Austria).

    * Found guilty of insulting human dignity for calling Caucasians cockroaches and saying we should stop giving them gibs.
  151. @Swarthy Greek
    Georgian culture is Caucasian.Full stop. Most "Turkish" influences that you might see in places like Lebanon,Georgia or Greece, whether in terms of food, music or local dresses, often predate the arrival of Turks in Anatolia.It's just that many of those customs also existed in Anatolia and survived Turkification and Islamization and are still prominent in modern day Turkey

    Georgian culture is Caucasian.Full stop.

    You bet, they live in the Caucasus!

  152. @Polish Perspective
    If I had to choose between all the countries mentioned, I would choose Russia, even if it is the weaker candidate than either my own country or Czechia on a range of issues right now. Why? Because if you want to settle in a country for the long haul then you need to think beyond the immediate comforts. Your own life will be upended permanently regardless of where you move, and thus you really need to think of your kids.

    What Russia has which the others do not:

    True independence. Russia may or may not fall to SJW cancer, but its fate is entirely in its own hands. It has a truly self-sufficient economy to a much greater extent, very low debt, massive natural resources and tons of land. Its people have proven themselves for centuries when times got very tough. You need that track record.

    Poland is both whiter and richer. It is less corrupt and it has much less onerous hate speech laws. I don't know about Russia's homeschooling laws, but ours are very good. Generally, the policy here is very pro-family. The state has very limited capability to take away your kids if they deem you unfit unless in very serious instances (such as rampant alcoholism etc). There was even a case of a Norwegian woman who fled to Poland recently to avoid her authorities taking her kids and subsequently sought asylum, created quite a stir in our media. (She was granted).

    But Poland has one distinct disadvantage which makes all those advantages appear fleeting: it is extremely dependent on the US, which in turn is extremely hostile to whites. Therefore, its long-term options are quite limited unless China would somehow extend its reach into Europe (very unlikely) and/or Europe itself uncucks itself and becomes much more nationalist (also unlikely). Even if the latter were to be true, history tells us that nationalists are not exactly great collaborators. So Polish geography would once again become the perennial woe.

    Czechia is an alluring option on the surface. It has the advantages of Poland yet is richer and more liberal in the best sense (gun laws). Though its distance is shrinking. On PPP-adjusted wages, it is already behind us. While Czechia has a better geographic position - and thus more easily be able to withstand ZOG cultural/political pressure in exchange for security - it is still a small country of 10 million. Even if, let's say, it managed to "hold out" it would still be doomed in the long run if the rest of its neighbours fell to the same cancer. Being surrounded demographically by a slow-moving cancer is not a viable long-term strategy.

    My advice to this individual would thus be to look for Russia first and foremost, then Czechia, then Poland. Slovakia is too small and Hungary has too many gypsies. Hungary is also placed most precariously of all the Visegrad nations, given its proximity to the Balkans. So even if the regime is good, there will always be a certain, eh, "spillover" during the summers. Especially as Hungary is getting richer. This will compound itself as the years roll on.

    Ultimately, however, I do not subscribe to 'Eastern Exceptionalism'. Europe will not survive if the West falls, especially since we're so economically interlinked now. I would actually unironically advise said person to even look into Scandinavia. They are whiter today - with the exception of Sweden - than the US was in 1965. Some of them have good homeschooling. Rural Norway, say, need not be a terrible place if you can afford it and the kids don't mind the countryside. I'd even look into Iceland. Poz is a factor, but can be neutralised somewhat by where you are and taking your kids out of public schools.

    But ultimately, I do not believe that running away is an option for most people and for most countries. Borders are too porous, and so are ideas. This may not be what the person in mind wanted to hear, but it is the unvarnished truth, at least as I see it.

    But ultimately, I do not believe that running away is an option for most people and for most countries. Borders are too porous, and so are ideas. This may not be what the person in mind wanted to hear, but it is the unvarnished truth, at least as I see it.

    This came to be my conclusion as well.

    As a Russian, Solzhenitsyn, said, “Grow where you’re planted.”

    As a fictional Texan said in the novel ‘Lonesome Dove,’ “What are we doin’ up here, Mister Gus? This ain’t our country. A man ought not to leave his own country, go wanderin’ around like this.”

  153. @German_reader
    Article about demographics in Austria from 2017:
    https://diepresse.com/home/panorama/religion/5263601/Zahl-der-Muslime-in-Oesterreich-seit-2001-verdoppelt
    Percentage of Muslims doubled from 4% in 2001 to 8% in 2017 (700 000 in absolute numbers).
    They mention several possible scenarios for developments till 2046 ("no migration", "mostly European migration", "European and Near Eastern migration", "strong Near Eastern and African migration"), which would mean an increase of Muslims to 12%, 14%, 17% and 21% respectively.

    I was just thinking about how obsessed various Western countries were with numerical superiority in military matters. The UK had its two hull strategy. JFK campaigned on the missile gap in 1960. There were so many treaties. At least a part of the reasoning behind them was budgetary, that an infinite arms race would bankrupt them. But now we face infinite immigration, where the immigrants are a financial burden and an enormous and unprecedented threat to peace.

    The past is so amazingly at variance with current immigration policy. It is difficult to explain. Political correctness. Virtue-signaling. Or that military things are playthings for the elites – pork for their supporters. Status symbols.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    tbh I increasingly feel that the world is going insane and that I don't understand it. And not just on immigration matters (that's actually something I've worried about for 20 years, since Britain's development after 1997 was a clear warning; I didn't quite imagine though that a CDU-led government would enact such insanity in Germany as has happened under Merkel, and that people would mostly just accept it). I don't understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn't compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don't)? In general, the left seems to get ever crazier, with no limit in sight, and the spineless centrists and conservatives are aiding them and continously selling out. Any reaction today would probably have to be genuinely fascist to reverse the trend, and that would in all likelihood be horrible as well and create new problems. I don't see how this could end well, maybe Western civilization just is a mistake and a failure.
  154. @songbird
    I was just thinking about how obsessed various Western countries were with numerical superiority in military matters. The UK had its two hull strategy. JFK campaigned on the missile gap in 1960. There were so many treaties. At least a part of the reasoning behind them was budgetary, that an infinite arms race would bankrupt them. But now we face infinite immigration, where the immigrants are a financial burden and an enormous and unprecedented threat to peace.

    The past is so amazingly at variance with current immigration policy. It is difficult to explain. Political correctness. Virtue-signaling. Or that military things are playthings for the elites - pork for their supporters. Status symbols.

    tbh I increasingly feel that the world is going insane and that I don’t understand it. And not just on immigration matters (that’s actually something I’ve worried about for 20 years, since Britain’s development after 1997 was a clear warning; I didn’t quite imagine though that a CDU-led government would enact such insanity in Germany as has happened under Merkel, and that people would mostly just accept it). I don’t understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn’t compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don’t)? In general, the left seems to get ever crazier, with no limit in sight, and the spineless centrists and conservatives are aiding them and continously selling out. Any reaction today would probably have to be genuinely fascist to reverse the trend, and that would in all likelihood be horrible as well and create new problems. I don’t see how this could end well, maybe Western civilization just is a mistake and a failure.

    • Replies: @Yevardian

    maybe Western civilization just is a mistake and a failure.
     
    As opposed to what? You might as well write humanity off as a species then.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    I don’t understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn’t compute.
     
    Dude this is basically Daily Stormer levels of hate.
    , @Toronto Russian

    I don’t understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn’t compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don’t)?
     
    What do you mean idiocy? It's a real condition known since forever (hijras in India, chevalier d'Eon, Nadezhda Durova, Dr James Barry - see photo).

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Dr_James_Barry_%28surgeon%29.jpg/220px-Dr_James_Barry_%28surgeon%29.jpg

    Society treating those people as their self-perceived sex helps reduce their suffering. The 19th century Russians had enough mercy to not stuff "Cavalry Maiden" Durova back into female dress, but allow her to live the rest of her life as a man. Drag queens went on trial in Victorian England, were acquitted, and one of them continued to work as a performer.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2271845/Arrested-cross-dressing-Meet-Fanny-Stella-Victorian-gentlemen-shocked-Britain-prosecuted-unnatural-offence-transvestites.html

    But modern traditionalists just want to yell at this tiny number of ill people, who already have a hard life, that they're crazy, delusional, must snap out of it... until it somehow makes their problem go away? It doesn't. Better not try to out-trad actual traditional societies, especially in meanness.

    That is, I'm against giving hormones to children and believe treating transsexualism the Russian way is optimal: after the age of 21, with mandatory 2 years of observation by a psychiatrist to make sure there's really no other way to make a person feel better. But a more tolerant society is helpful in that it can let a trans stop at cross-dressing - not go the health-damaging hormone/surgery route in an attempt to better "pass" and not be noticed and bullied.
  155. Any reaction today would probably have to be genuinely fascist to reverse the trend

    I’m glad you are finally seeing it that fascism is our only salvation. I mean more like populism with elements of fascism. Your enemies, the left knew it all the time. The reason they kept looking for fascists and populists everywhere, and you thought these were just Stalinist invectives and eristic devices, is because they deep down know that fascism is a real threat to them. A common sense, rational argument and appeal to conservatism, culture and civilization will not work anymore. If they want fascism they should get it and hopefully it will knock their teeth out.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    I’m glad you are finally seeing it that fascism is our only salvation.
     
    One would probably have to kill a few million people though. That's not a positive prospect either...even if such a movement succeeded, would you want to be ruled by people ruthless enough to take the necessary measures?
    If one's religious, there might also be the issue of divine retribution to consider.
  156. @German_reader
    tbh I increasingly feel that the world is going insane and that I don't understand it. And not just on immigration matters (that's actually something I've worried about for 20 years, since Britain's development after 1997 was a clear warning; I didn't quite imagine though that a CDU-led government would enact such insanity in Germany as has happened under Merkel, and that people would mostly just accept it). I don't understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn't compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don't)? In general, the left seems to get ever crazier, with no limit in sight, and the spineless centrists and conservatives are aiding them and continously selling out. Any reaction today would probably have to be genuinely fascist to reverse the trend, and that would in all likelihood be horrible as well and create new problems. I don't see how this could end well, maybe Western civilization just is a mistake and a failure.

    maybe Western civilization just is a mistake and a failure.

    As opposed to what? You might as well write humanity off as a species then.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    You might as well write humanity off as a species then.
     
    Sounds like a good idea tbh, there doesn't seem to be much point to humanity anyway.
  157. @utu

    Any reaction today would probably have to be genuinely fascist to reverse the trend
     
    I'm glad you are finally seeing it that fascism is our only salvation. I mean more like populism with elements of fascism. Your enemies, the left knew it all the time. The reason they kept looking for fascists and populists everywhere, and you thought these were just Stalinist invectives and eristic devices, is because they deep down know that fascism is a real threat to them. A common sense, rational argument and appeal to conservatism, culture and civilization will not work anymore. If they want fascism they should get it and hopefully it will knock their teeth out.

    I’m glad you are finally seeing it that fascism is our only salvation.

    One would probably have to kill a few million people though. That’s not a positive prospect either…even if such a movement succeeded, would you want to be ruled by people ruthless enough to take the necessary measures?
    If one’s religious, there might also be the issue of divine retribution to consider.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    Don't be so squeamish. Such things are just regular blips in the course of history, and in the long-term they select for more peaceful societies. Why do you think Moroccans are so much more violent than Germans?
    , @Ender
    Seriously? If you want to keep violence to the very absolute minimum even in a country the size of the US, you would only have to off a few hundred people, or maybe a few thousand, at most, basically the very very top brass of the cultural sphere, and the underlings will comply, maybe offing them is not even necessary, just keep them forever locked up or under perpetual house arrest in the middle of North Dakota gulag, unable to communicate with the rest of the outside world for the rest of their lives, after all, if a Commie or shouts commie or SJW slogans in the middle of the Black Forest and no one is around to hear it, would it really matter?
    , @Ender
    This is what China actually does to political dissidents now, just keep them Locked up under eternal house arrest.
    , @utu
    'a few million' - if it is done correctly it will not be necessary. This is the beauty of populism that it would give the leftists (in the old sense) what they need and secretly crave. Populism with fascism would cater to communitarian needs that exist in everybody by which it should be able to extinguish the egoistic and anti-social libertarianism of the right (which is not a big problem in Europe) and also the anti-social identitarianism of the left. Europe has still a chance. But America much less so because of Blacks who are the Trojan horse that in American mind can't be worked around. To defeat the system they must find some common ground with Blacks but they can't. That's why Americans are so anti-communitarian and easily succumb to libertarian drivel which renders them totally impotent and blind with respect to the system and instead they fall for genocidal ideations which is a clear sign of their helplessness.
  158. @German_reader

    I’m glad you are finally seeing it that fascism is our only salvation.
     
    One would probably have to kill a few million people though. That's not a positive prospect either...even if such a movement succeeded, would you want to be ruled by people ruthless enough to take the necessary measures?
    If one's religious, there might also be the issue of divine retribution to consider.

    Don’t be so squeamish. Such things are just regular blips in the course of history, and in the long-term they select for more peaceful societies. Why do you think Moroccans are so much more violent than Germans?

  159. @Yevardian

    maybe Western civilization just is a mistake and a failure.
     
    As opposed to what? You might as well write humanity off as a species then.

    You might as well write humanity off as a species then.

    Sounds like a good idea tbh, there doesn’t seem to be much point to humanity anyway.

  160. @German_reader

    I’m glad you are finally seeing it that fascism is our only salvation.
     
    One would probably have to kill a few million people though. That's not a positive prospect either...even if such a movement succeeded, would you want to be ruled by people ruthless enough to take the necessary measures?
    If one's religious, there might also be the issue of divine retribution to consider.

    Seriously? If you want to keep violence to the very absolute minimum even in a country the size of the US, you would only have to off a few hundred people, or maybe a few thousand, at most, basically the very very top brass of the cultural sphere, and the underlings will comply, maybe offing them is not even necessary, just keep them forever locked up or under perpetual house arrest in the middle of North Dakota gulag, unable to communicate with the rest of the outside world for the rest of their lives, after all, if a Commie or shouts commie or SJW slogans in the middle of the Black Forest and no one is around to hear it, would it really matter?

  161. @German_reader

    I’m glad you are finally seeing it that fascism is our only salvation.
     
    One would probably have to kill a few million people though. That's not a positive prospect either...even if such a movement succeeded, would you want to be ruled by people ruthless enough to take the necessary measures?
    If one's religious, there might also be the issue of divine retribution to consider.

    This is what China actually does to political dissidents now, just keep them Locked up under eternal house arrest.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    But during their first years in power the Chinese commies killed millions in a brutal campaign against landlords, and until Mao's death there was mass terror again and again. To achieve security for a radical new system, you need to crush opposition in a ruthless manner which exstinguishes all hope of resistance.
    So a new system that came to power through violent means would probably have to conduct large-scale purges.
  162. If all those shrinks are correct, extreme left SJWs should be the easiest to swing to extreme right wing views. And the rest are just fence sitters who will comply with the prevailing political winds.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    If all those shrinks are correct
     
    Most current-day psychologists are no better than witchdoctors.
  163. @Ender
    This is what China actually does to political dissidents now, just keep them Locked up under eternal house arrest.

    But during their first years in power the Chinese commies killed millions in a brutal campaign against landlords, and until Mao’s death there was mass terror again and again. To achieve security for a radical new system, you need to crush opposition in a ruthless manner which exstinguishes all hope of resistance.
    So a new system that came to power through violent means would probably have to conduct large-scale purges.

    • Replies: @utu
    Your example are communists. From the left. They needed more repressions to introduce their crazy system because their system was so unnatural and abnormal But on the right it does not take that much. Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks or Maoists because they were restoring the system to its natural normalcy.
  164. @German_reader

    I’m glad you are finally seeing it that fascism is our only salvation.
     
    One would probably have to kill a few million people though. That's not a positive prospect either...even if such a movement succeeded, would you want to be ruled by people ruthless enough to take the necessary measures?
    If one's religious, there might also be the issue of divine retribution to consider.

    ‘a few million’ – if it is done correctly it will not be necessary. This is the beauty of populism that it would give the leftists (in the old sense) what they need and secretly crave. Populism with fascism would cater to communitarian needs that exist in everybody by which it should be able to extinguish the egoistic and anti-social libertarianism of the right (which is not a big problem in Europe) and also the anti-social identitarianism of the left. Europe has still a chance. But America much less so because of Blacks who are the Trojan horse that in American mind can’t be worked around. To defeat the system they must find some common ground with Blacks but they can’t. That’s why Americans are so anti-communitarian and easily succumb to libertarian drivel which renders them totally impotent and blind with respect to the system and instead they fall for genocidal ideations which is a clear sign of their helplessness.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    I don't think lefties in Europe will drop their commitment to "antifascism", generous right to asylum and even deranged demands for a global freedom of movement (which in their warped view is somehow necessary, because "we" are responsible that "they" are so poor because of colonialism, capitalist exploitation or whatever)...it's too big a part of their identity by now. Maybe some new movement like the 5 stars in Italy could moderate the views of left-wingers...but the established left is irredeemable imo (as are centrist cucks like Christian Democrats, totally useless).

    But America much less so because of Blacks who are the Trojan horse
     
    Yes, but there are plenty of "Trojan horses" in Europe nowadays as well, and I'm definitely not in favour of trying to forge a populist coalition with Muslims against some supposedly common enemy like homos or Jews. That would be totally futile imo.
  165. @Ender
    If all those shrinks are correct, extreme left SJWs should be the easiest to swing to extreme right wing views. And the rest are just fence sitters who will comply with the prevailing political winds.

    If all those shrinks are correct

    Most current-day psychologists are no better than witchdoctors.

  166. You can probably get an authoritarian Salalzar type socially conservative deracinated government in Western Europe, but you would probably need the cooperation of European Muslim population (think of how Singapore manages to placate its Muslim Malay population), since I am sure that the Muslims are also afraid of losing their younger generations to poz.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    you would probably need the cooperation of European Muslim population (think of how Singapore manages to placate its Muslim Malay population), since I am sure that the Muslims are also afraid of losing their younger generations to poz.
     
    Everything else excepted, I am not sure that makes sense even now, much less in a future regime, since their demographics lean much more towards the youth than pure laine Europeans.
  167. @German_reader
    But during their first years in power the Chinese commies killed millions in a brutal campaign against landlords, and until Mao's death there was mass terror again and again. To achieve security for a radical new system, you need to crush opposition in a ruthless manner which exstinguishes all hope of resistance.
    So a new system that came to power through violent means would probably have to conduct large-scale purges.

    Your example are communists. From the left. They needed more repressions to introduce their crazy system because their system was so unnatural and abnormal But on the right it does not take that much. Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks or Maoists because they were restoring the system to its natural normalcy.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks
     
    Yes, but after 1945 the left just re-emerged in Germany and Italy.
    Or look at Spain. Franco had a few tens of thousands executed after the civil war, but today the vengeful descendants of the defeated leftists try to undo the result of the civil war...so maybe Franco didn't kill enough.
    Not saying that one should adopt violence (this is all total fantasy right now anyway), in fact the whole issue bothers and disturbs me. There doesn't seem to be any good solution either way.
    , @Mitleser

    Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks or Maoists because they were restoring the system to its natural normalcy.
     
    They did not had to do that because Zeitgeist and elites were nationalistic and sided with them.
    Nowadays it is the opposite.
  168. @Ender
    You can probably get an authoritarian Salalzar type socially conservative deracinated government in Western Europe, but you would probably need the cooperation of European Muslim population (think of how Singapore manages to placate its Muslim Malay population), since I am sure that the Muslims are also afraid of losing their younger generations to poz.

    you would probably need the cooperation of European Muslim population (think of how Singapore manages to placate its Muslim Malay population), since I am sure that the Muslims are also afraid of losing their younger generations to poz.

    Everything else excepted, I am not sure that makes sense even now, much less in a future regime, since their demographics lean much more towards the youth than pure laine Europeans.

  169. @utu
    'a few million' - if it is done correctly it will not be necessary. This is the beauty of populism that it would give the leftists (in the old sense) what they need and secretly crave. Populism with fascism would cater to communitarian needs that exist in everybody by which it should be able to extinguish the egoistic and anti-social libertarianism of the right (which is not a big problem in Europe) and also the anti-social identitarianism of the left. Europe has still a chance. But America much less so because of Blacks who are the Trojan horse that in American mind can't be worked around. To defeat the system they must find some common ground with Blacks but they can't. That's why Americans are so anti-communitarian and easily succumb to libertarian drivel which renders them totally impotent and blind with respect to the system and instead they fall for genocidal ideations which is a clear sign of their helplessness.

    I don’t think lefties in Europe will drop their commitment to “antifascism”, generous right to asylum and even deranged demands for a global freedom of movement (which in their warped view is somehow necessary, because “we” are responsible that “they” are so poor because of colonialism, capitalist exploitation or whatever)…it’s too big a part of their identity by now. Maybe some new movement like the 5 stars in Italy could moderate the views of left-wingers…but the established left is irredeemable imo (as are centrist cucks like Christian Democrats, totally useless).

    But America much less so because of Blacks who are the Trojan horse

    Yes, but there are plenty of “Trojan horses” in Europe nowadays as well, and I’m definitely not in favour of trying to forge a populist coalition with Muslims against some supposedly common enemy like homos or Jews. That would be totally futile imo.

  170. @utu
    Your example are communists. From the left. They needed more repressions to introduce their crazy system because their system was so unnatural and abnormal But on the right it does not take that much. Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks or Maoists because they were restoring the system to its natural normalcy.

    Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks

    Yes, but after 1945 the left just re-emerged in Germany and Italy.
    Or look at Spain. Franco had a few tens of thousands executed after the civil war, but today the vengeful descendants of the defeated leftists try to undo the result of the civil war…so maybe Franco didn’t kill enough.
    Not saying that one should adopt violence (this is all total fantasy right now anyway), in fact the whole issue bothers and disturbs me. There doesn’t seem to be any good solution either way.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    Extremely violent solutions are only required if the ultimate aim is to force all non-whites out of the country. But racial preservation can still be achieved by allowing the creation of racially based political units with the same country and subject to its jurisdiction. The scale across which this occurs is up for debate - you could break a country up into as few as two units (eg white and non-white) or potentially into thousands of geographically non-contiguous units (based on any number criteria) - but the essential result in all cases would be the effective cession of national territory to non-whites for the purposes of establishing white racial exclusivity on some part of that national territory.

    Quite naturally, nationalists can be expected to fervently oppose such a proposition. But we really should question whether their opposition is sound or not. If it's true that there is simply no other political solution in the offing that would permit racial continuity, then nationalist opposition to segregation and effective territorial cession would be tantamount to opposition to racial continuity itself.

    What good is keeping all the territory if keeping it implies - indeed, guarantees - eventual racial oblivion? Nationalists might respond that their interests are cultural as well as racial, and that such a racially divided state would not serve their cultural interests, since it would, let us say, make the country too difficult to "manage" in a way that national cultural interests supposedly require. This may be true, but it effectively surrenders racial interests to cultural interests. If both racial and cultural interests cannot be served, then nationalists must be forced to choose between the two. And it should be made clear to them that, if cultural interests cannot be served outside the context of racial continuity and that if the race cannot long survive in a multiracial polity, cultural extinction is bound to follow on the heels of racial extinction. An appreciation of this point should logically compel nationalists to opt for racial interests over cultural interests.

    The point should also be made that if nationalists insist on reacquiring control of the entirety of national territory for their race, and that if this cannot be done without recourse to mass violence, then the question of how best to incite mass violence must be answered. Nationalist efforts in this regard have thus far fallen woefully short of the mark. Nationalists themselves seem resigned to the conclusion that if violence will come, it will have to be incited by other political actors - eg marxists, non-whites, muslims - with nationalists merely playing a reactionary role.

    If it is true that violence must be incited by other political actors, then that which would encourage these actors to incite violence should logically be favored. I submit that the prospect of carving out exclusive territory for themselves would indeed encourage these actors to incite violence. Moreover, violence incited by them for the purposes of securing for themselves exclusive territory, cut from the national whole, is violence which would induce the most zealous reaction possible - and a reaction not restricted to existing nationalists. This would lead to the most propitious political climate imaginable for nationalists to secure their political aims.

    It must be seen then that, somewhat paradoxically, the greatest opportunity for nationalists to reclaim the national territory lies in their willingness to risk surrendering some part of it; and if such a plan relies on nationalists themselves proposing it - ie if other actors refuse to play the role this plan assigns them - then the prospect of nationalist success relies, moreover, on nationalists' willingness to propose and to (deceitfully) agree to surrender some part of national territory.
  171. Which is why you have to get control of the microphone forever, maybe find some way for fascists to subvert and take over Facebook, Google, and Amazon from the inside?

  172. Is it possible to get all these SJW enforcers to shift sides from left authoritarian to right authoritarian?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    Is it possible to get all these SJW enforcers to shift sides from left authoritarian to right authoritarian?
     
    It is unlikely, since most of them are decendants of Trotskyists. Whether they market themselves as Communists, liberal anti-communists, anti-authoritarian democrats, neoconservatives, American patriots or something else, their fundamental aims remain the same.

    They haven't really ever changed, Internationalism and permanent revolution will always come first in their minds.

    They have only a superficial similarity with 'conservative leftists'.
  173. @German_reader

    Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks
     
    Yes, but after 1945 the left just re-emerged in Germany and Italy.
    Or look at Spain. Franco had a few tens of thousands executed after the civil war, but today the vengeful descendants of the defeated leftists try to undo the result of the civil war...so maybe Franco didn't kill enough.
    Not saying that one should adopt violence (this is all total fantasy right now anyway), in fact the whole issue bothers and disturbs me. There doesn't seem to be any good solution either way.

    Extremely violent solutions are only required if the ultimate aim is to force all non-whites out of the country. But racial preservation can still be achieved by allowing the creation of racially based political units with the same country and subject to its jurisdiction. The scale across which this occurs is up for debate – you could break a country up into as few as two units (eg white and non-white) or potentially into thousands of geographically non-contiguous units (based on any number criteria) – but the essential result in all cases would be the effective cession of national territory to non-whites for the purposes of establishing white racial exclusivity on some part of that national territory.

    Quite naturally, nationalists can be expected to fervently oppose such a proposition. But we really should question whether their opposition is sound or not. If it’s true that there is simply no other political solution in the offing that would permit racial continuity, then nationalist opposition to segregation and effective territorial cession would be tantamount to opposition to racial continuity itself.

    What good is keeping all the territory if keeping it implies – indeed, guarantees – eventual racial oblivion? Nationalists might respond that their interests are cultural as well as racial, and that such a racially divided state would not serve their cultural interests, since it would, let us say, make the country too difficult to “manage” in a way that national cultural interests supposedly require. This may be true, but it effectively surrenders racial interests to cultural interests. If both racial and cultural interests cannot be served, then nationalists must be forced to choose between the two. And it should be made clear to them that, if cultural interests cannot be served outside the context of racial continuity and that if the race cannot long survive in a multiracial polity, cultural extinction is bound to follow on the heels of racial extinction. An appreciation of this point should logically compel nationalists to opt for racial interests over cultural interests.

    The point should also be made that if nationalists insist on reacquiring control of the entirety of national territory for their race, and that if this cannot be done without recourse to mass violence, then the question of how best to incite mass violence must be answered. Nationalist efforts in this regard have thus far fallen woefully short of the mark. Nationalists themselves seem resigned to the conclusion that if violence will come, it will have to be incited by other political actors – eg marxists, non-whites, muslims – with nationalists merely playing a reactionary role.

    If it is true that violence must be incited by other political actors, then that which would encourage these actors to incite violence should logically be favored. I submit that the prospect of carving out exclusive territory for themselves would indeed encourage these actors to incite violence. Moreover, violence incited by them for the purposes of securing for themselves exclusive territory, cut from the national whole, is violence which would induce the most zealous reaction possible – and a reaction not restricted to existing nationalists. This would lead to the most propitious political climate imaginable for nationalists to secure their political aims.

    It must be seen then that, somewhat paradoxically, the greatest opportunity for nationalists to reclaim the national territory lies in their willingness to risk surrendering some part of it; and if such a plan relies on nationalists themselves proposing it – ie if other actors refuse to play the role this plan assigns them – then the prospect of nationalist success relies, moreover, on nationalists’ willingness to propose and to (deceitfully) agree to surrender some part of national territory.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    if such a plan relies on nationalists themselves proposing it – ie if other actors refuse to play the role this plan assigns them – then the prospect of nationalist success relies, moreover, on nationalists’ willingness to propose and to (deceitfully) agree to surrender some part of national territory.
     
    Maybe that would work in America.

    In Europe, it would be considerably harder. The French Nouvelle Droite (Alain de Benoist et al.) proposed the concept of ethnopluralism, their liberal critics countered that this bantustan plan would turn France into a brutal Apartheid state.

    Given the predominantly suburban nature of deracinated subalterns in France and Western Europe in general, I think they have a point.
    , @German_reader

    I submit that the prospect of carving out exclusive territory for themselves would indeed encourage these actors to incite violence.
     
    Why would problem minorities with high rates of welfare dependence want a territory of their own? Ok, they certainly would like it when they can keep others out and enforce their cultural mores. But would they voluntarily forego all the benefits of the welfare and healtcare system which they themselves couldn't maintain? I doubt it. The present system suits them just fine, and in Europe at least all these ideas about partitions seem rather unrealistic.
  174. @AP
    Regarding Turks, they are fairly civilized and trouble-free wherever they are, be it Turkey itself or Germany or Austria. The pattern is well-established. As for the Armenian genocide, the genociders were mostly Kurds, and at any rate like the Japanese atrocities in Nanking or German behavior during World War II it doesn't tell much about how civilized these people are in day to day life.

    Turks are definitely not a trouble-free group in Germany, and have successfully created several no-go ghettos in German cities. Their crime rates, relative to their numbers, speak volumes. Germany also got the worst kind of Turks – illiterate rural inbreds who regularly marry their cousins and practice things like honor-killing. (Kurds are even worse in this regard).

    Turkish sex tourists rolling down Khreschatyk aren’t very representative of the country’s emigrants.

  175. @Ender
    Is it possible to get all these SJW enforcers to shift sides from left authoritarian to right authoritarian?

    Is it possible to get all these SJW enforcers to shift sides from left authoritarian to right authoritarian?

    It is unlikely, since most of them are decendants of Trotskyists. Whether they market themselves as Communists, liberal anti-communists, anti-authoritarian democrats, neoconservatives, American patriots or something else, their fundamental aims remain the same.

    They haven’t really ever changed, Internationalism and permanent revolution will always come first in their minds.

    They have only a superficial similarity with ‘conservative leftists’.

    • Replies: @Ender
    Maybe we're all just fedora tipping neckbeards here lol.
  176. @Hyperborean

    Is it possible to get all these SJW enforcers to shift sides from left authoritarian to right authoritarian?
     
    It is unlikely, since most of them are decendants of Trotskyists. Whether they market themselves as Communists, liberal anti-communists, anti-authoritarian democrats, neoconservatives, American patriots or something else, their fundamental aims remain the same.

    They haven't really ever changed, Internationalism and permanent revolution will always come first in their minds.

    They have only a superficial similarity with 'conservative leftists'.

    Maybe we’re all just fedora tipping neckbeards here lol.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    Maybe we’re all just fedora tipping neckbeards here lol.
     
    No one really measures up to their ancestors.
  177. @Ender
    Maybe we're all just fedora tipping neckbeards here lol.

    Maybe we’re all just fedora tipping neckbeards here lol.

    No one really measures up to their ancestors.

  178. @silviosilver
    Extremely violent solutions are only required if the ultimate aim is to force all non-whites out of the country. But racial preservation can still be achieved by allowing the creation of racially based political units with the same country and subject to its jurisdiction. The scale across which this occurs is up for debate - you could break a country up into as few as two units (eg white and non-white) or potentially into thousands of geographically non-contiguous units (based on any number criteria) - but the essential result in all cases would be the effective cession of national territory to non-whites for the purposes of establishing white racial exclusivity on some part of that national territory.

    Quite naturally, nationalists can be expected to fervently oppose such a proposition. But we really should question whether their opposition is sound or not. If it's true that there is simply no other political solution in the offing that would permit racial continuity, then nationalist opposition to segregation and effective territorial cession would be tantamount to opposition to racial continuity itself.

    What good is keeping all the territory if keeping it implies - indeed, guarantees - eventual racial oblivion? Nationalists might respond that their interests are cultural as well as racial, and that such a racially divided state would not serve their cultural interests, since it would, let us say, make the country too difficult to "manage" in a way that national cultural interests supposedly require. This may be true, but it effectively surrenders racial interests to cultural interests. If both racial and cultural interests cannot be served, then nationalists must be forced to choose between the two. And it should be made clear to them that, if cultural interests cannot be served outside the context of racial continuity and that if the race cannot long survive in a multiracial polity, cultural extinction is bound to follow on the heels of racial extinction. An appreciation of this point should logically compel nationalists to opt for racial interests over cultural interests.

    The point should also be made that if nationalists insist on reacquiring control of the entirety of national territory for their race, and that if this cannot be done without recourse to mass violence, then the question of how best to incite mass violence must be answered. Nationalist efforts in this regard have thus far fallen woefully short of the mark. Nationalists themselves seem resigned to the conclusion that if violence will come, it will have to be incited by other political actors - eg marxists, non-whites, muslims - with nationalists merely playing a reactionary role.

    If it is true that violence must be incited by other political actors, then that which would encourage these actors to incite violence should logically be favored. I submit that the prospect of carving out exclusive territory for themselves would indeed encourage these actors to incite violence. Moreover, violence incited by them for the purposes of securing for themselves exclusive territory, cut from the national whole, is violence which would induce the most zealous reaction possible - and a reaction not restricted to existing nationalists. This would lead to the most propitious political climate imaginable for nationalists to secure their political aims.

    It must be seen then that, somewhat paradoxically, the greatest opportunity for nationalists to reclaim the national territory lies in their willingness to risk surrendering some part of it; and if such a plan relies on nationalists themselves proposing it - ie if other actors refuse to play the role this plan assigns them - then the prospect of nationalist success relies, moreover, on nationalists' willingness to propose and to (deceitfully) agree to surrender some part of national territory.

    if such a plan relies on nationalists themselves proposing it – ie if other actors refuse to play the role this plan assigns them – then the prospect of nationalist success relies, moreover, on nationalists’ willingness to propose and to (deceitfully) agree to surrender some part of national territory.

    Maybe that would work in America.

    In Europe, it would be considerably harder. The French Nouvelle Droite (Alain de Benoist et al.) proposed the concept of ethnopluralism, their liberal critics countered that this bantustan plan would turn France into a brutal Apartheid state.

    Given the predominantly suburban nature of deracinated subalterns in France and Western Europe in general, I think they have a point.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    The problem hadn't progressed as far when that proposal was made.

    And of course, it's not something you can propose once and then drop it. You have to keep pursuing it, just as integrationists and immigrationists pursued their agenda for decades before it became a reality.

    , @songbird
    That is what America should have done, after the Civil War. Transport blacks using trains to get them all into one or two states. It probably would have been much more practical than sending them to Africa, as transporting them on ships would require too long a turn around and require infrastructure to be built. If you start with the blackest state, then many are already there. The radical egalitarians of the day, abolitionists probably would have gotten behind it. Because they would have been allowed to look in on them as pets.

    What part of Europe would I give them? 25-year lease on the Chernobyl exclusion zone.
  179. @Andrei
    As much as I like Russia I think another thing you forgot to mention about Russia is the horrendous driving in there... If I were to move to Russia(Something that I am thinking about for a long time now) I wouldn't own a car because by all accounts driving in there is a potential death wish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    Depends of what statistic you are using it looks like driving in Russia is 2-4 more dangerous than the rest of Eastern Europe.

    Depends on where you settle.

    Most expats, of course, go to Moscow. And Moscow’s rate is 3x lower than the national average – i.e., similar to Czechia or Italy.

    It is of course more dangerous in the provinces, which are 10 years behind Moscow and there’s a significant incidence of drunk driving.

    • Replies: @g2k
    Anecdotally, the driving seemed quite unremarkable to me when i went there. Is this a case of people from the land of autoboxes, soft suspension, 55mph speed limits and traffic lights at every junction expecting things to be that way everywhere.
    , @Gerard2

    Depends on where you settle.

    Most expats, of course, go to Moscow. And Moscow’s rate is 3x lower than the national average – i.e., similar to Czechia or Italy.

    It is of course more dangerous in the provinces, which are 10 years behind Moscow and there’s a significant incidence of drunk driving.

     

    True, but the roads are massively improving at all levels....and the worst driving is in Dagestan and the worst drivers are from Dag/Ingush/Che etcetera....so people not necessarily driving like an idiot because of alcohol

    Russia is also different to the other places, in that whilst Russia and the rest of the world have many horrendous vehicle on vehicle crashes, vehicle on pedestrian crashes are on a completely different level or even planet in Russia.
    But clearly overall general behaviour on the roads is improving, at least in daytime
  180. @Boris N

    While in the West you can’t criticize Jews, in Russia you can’t criticize Caucasians or Islam.
     
    To an English speaker this must sound very confusing if not ridiculous, in the end it even sounds straight out funny. Russia as a White Nationalist Islamic sanctuary, haha. We may invent some other term for those people down to the Kuban-Terek line, like "Kavkazians", probably. Or simply Kebabs, this better reflects the essence of their national culture. Of course, best to never use "Caucasian" as a racial term, but I know it will never happen.

    In Russia you also cannot criticize Jews, and to some degree the Orthodox Church. Also the WWII revisionism and Neo-Nazi is strictly verboten like in Germany, and unlike some other countries in Eastern Europe (namely, Ukraine, the Baltics, Hungary) where the WWII revisionism is endorsed and is a part of state/national ideology.

    On the other hand, in the West you cannot criticize the people from MENA and Islam as well, so this is not very different from Russia.

    So I do not see much difference in that respect.

    Of course, the exception is "the land of free" where you can criticize anybody and go full KKK/Neo-Nazi and march with swastika and torches on the street, but "bigot" is the best label you will get. Of course, getting to jail for a wrong commentary in social media is not normal, but getting a label of a bigot and living the rest of your life as a social outcast is unlikely better. After all the fine you could pay, and the jail time would end, but you would hardly get rid of the bigot reputation, this will be for life, bye-bye any serious life prospects.

    Good to see you back, Boris N.

    In Russia you also cannot criticize Jews..

    Relative to the West, you can. Ultimate example of this is a recent 282 case: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-great-chain-of-racial-privilege/

    * Cleared of wrongdoing for Holocaust denial (would cert. lose your job in the US, and your freedom for 3-5 years in Germany/Austria).

    * Found guilty of insulting human dignity for calling Caucasians cockroaches and saying we should stop giving them gibs.

    • Replies: @Boris N
    One single isolated case that was also given much of the media attention is not very exemplary. I was once browsing the reports of the "Sova Center" and there were quite a lot of convictions for anti-Semitism. Many of them, of course, were hardcore Neo-Nazi, but there were also some random guys who were just too stupid to say bad things about Jews.
  181. @German_reader
    tbh I increasingly feel that the world is going insane and that I don't understand it. And not just on immigration matters (that's actually something I've worried about for 20 years, since Britain's development after 1997 was a clear warning; I didn't quite imagine though that a CDU-led government would enact such insanity in Germany as has happened under Merkel, and that people would mostly just accept it). I don't understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn't compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don't)? In general, the left seems to get ever crazier, with no limit in sight, and the spineless centrists and conservatives are aiding them and continously selling out. Any reaction today would probably have to be genuinely fascist to reverse the trend, and that would in all likelihood be horrible as well and create new problems. I don't see how this could end well, maybe Western civilization just is a mistake and a failure.

    I don’t understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn’t compute.

    Dude this is basically Daily Stormer levels of hate.

  182. @Anatoly Karlin
    Depends on where you settle.

    Most expats, of course, go to Moscow. And Moscow's rate is 3x lower than the national average - i.e., similar to Czechia or Italy.

    It is of course more dangerous in the provinces, which are 10 years behind Moscow and there's a significant incidence of drunk driving.

    Anecdotally, the driving seemed quite unremarkable to me when i went there. Is this a case of people from the land of autoboxes, soft suspension, 55mph speed limits and traffic lights at every junction expecting things to be that way everywhere.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    My driving experiences:

    Best: UK, Germany
    A bit worse: France (but the roads are excellent)
    Medium: USA-California; Moscow/environs now (roads are comparable too); Portugal; Romania around Bucharest and Transylvania (probably like Russian provinces in worse off areas)
    Bad: Moscow 10-15 years; Russian provinces
    Really bad: Russian provinces 10-15 years ago and earlier

    The stats generally agree with those impressions.
  183. @g2k
    Anecdotally, the driving seemed quite unremarkable to me when i went there. Is this a case of people from the land of autoboxes, soft suspension, 55mph speed limits and traffic lights at every junction expecting things to be that way everywhere.

    My driving experiences:

    Best: UK, Germany
    A bit worse: France (but the roads are excellent)
    Medium: USA-California; Moscow/environs now (roads are comparable too); Portugal; Romania around Bucharest and Transylvania (probably like Russian provinces in worse off areas)
    Bad: Moscow 10-15 years; Russian provinces
    Really bad: Russian provinces 10-15 years ago and earlier

    The stats generally agree with those impressions.

  184. @German_reader
    tbh I increasingly feel that the world is going insane and that I don't understand it. And not just on immigration matters (that's actually something I've worried about for 20 years, since Britain's development after 1997 was a clear warning; I didn't quite imagine though that a CDU-led government would enact such insanity in Germany as has happened under Merkel, and that people would mostly just accept it). I don't understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn't compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don't)? In general, the left seems to get ever crazier, with no limit in sight, and the spineless centrists and conservatives are aiding them and continously selling out. Any reaction today would probably have to be genuinely fascist to reverse the trend, and that would in all likelihood be horrible as well and create new problems. I don't see how this could end well, maybe Western civilization just is a mistake and a failure.

    I don’t understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn’t compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don’t)?

    What do you mean idiocy? It’s a real condition known since forever (hijras in India, chevalier d’Eon, Nadezhda Durova, Dr James Barry – see photo).

    Society treating those people as their self-perceived sex helps reduce their suffering. The 19th century Russians had enough mercy to not stuff “Cavalry Maiden” Durova back into female dress, but allow her to live the rest of her life as a man. Drag queens went on trial in Victorian England, were acquitted, and one of them continued to work as a performer.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2271845/Arrested-cross-dressing-Meet-Fanny-Stella-Victorian-gentlemen-shocked-Britain-prosecuted-unnatural-offence-transvestites.html

    But modern traditionalists just want to yell at this tiny number of ill people, who already have a hard life, that they’re crazy, delusional, must snap out of it… until it somehow makes their problem go away? It doesn’t. Better not try to out-trad actual traditional societies, especially in meanness.

    That is, I’m against giving hormones to children and believe treating transsexualism the Russian way is optimal: after the age of 21, with mandatory 2 years of observation by a psychiatrist to make sure there’s really no other way to make a person feel better. But a more tolerant society is helpful in that it can let a trans stop at cross-dressing – not go the health-damaging hormone/surgery route in an attempt to better “pass” and not be noticed and bullied.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala

    That is, I’m against giving hormones to children and believe treating transsexualism the Russian way is optimal: after the age of 21, with mandatory 2 years of observation by a psychiatrist to make sure there’s really no other way to make a person feel better.
     
    This "Russian way" is just doing what the West was doing 20 years ago. It's not going to stay that way if you accept the fundamental premise that some people need sex changes. They'll just do the same thing - point out how many of these 21-year-olds who got sex changes later killed themselves and declare that it was because they experienced male puberty which gave them masculine bodies so the solution is to get those sex changes earlier.
    , @German_reader

    But modern traditionalists just want to yell at this tiny number of ill people
     
    There's no way the massive increase in transgenderism in recent years is natural.
    Either something has changed in the environment (plastics?) or there's a cultural reason (that is, the left enthusiastically tearing down even the most basic differences in humanity in its demented quest for total universalism; that's why they're so keen on encouraging transgenderism instead of looking for ways how people suffering from it could learn to accept their real sex).
    And as you yourself admit, some of the things going on (giving puberty blockers and hormones to children and teenagers) are extremely dubious and virtually child abuse.
    Anyway, I don't accept the basic premise, with current technology at least it's impossible to change one's biological sex, and any claims to the contrary are ideological delusions.
  185. @Toronto Russian

    I don’t understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn’t compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don’t)?
     
    What do you mean idiocy? It's a real condition known since forever (hijras in India, chevalier d'Eon, Nadezhda Durova, Dr James Barry - see photo).

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Dr_James_Barry_%28surgeon%29.jpg/220px-Dr_James_Barry_%28surgeon%29.jpg

    Society treating those people as their self-perceived sex helps reduce their suffering. The 19th century Russians had enough mercy to not stuff "Cavalry Maiden" Durova back into female dress, but allow her to live the rest of her life as a man. Drag queens went on trial in Victorian England, were acquitted, and one of them continued to work as a performer.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2271845/Arrested-cross-dressing-Meet-Fanny-Stella-Victorian-gentlemen-shocked-Britain-prosecuted-unnatural-offence-transvestites.html

    But modern traditionalists just want to yell at this tiny number of ill people, who already have a hard life, that they're crazy, delusional, must snap out of it... until it somehow makes their problem go away? It doesn't. Better not try to out-trad actual traditional societies, especially in meanness.

    That is, I'm against giving hormones to children and believe treating transsexualism the Russian way is optimal: after the age of 21, with mandatory 2 years of observation by a psychiatrist to make sure there's really no other way to make a person feel better. But a more tolerant society is helpful in that it can let a trans stop at cross-dressing - not go the health-damaging hormone/surgery route in an attempt to better "pass" and not be noticed and bullied.

    That is, I’m against giving hormones to children and believe treating transsexualism the Russian way is optimal: after the age of 21, with mandatory 2 years of observation by a psychiatrist to make sure there’s really no other way to make a person feel better.

    This “Russian way” is just doing what the West was doing 20 years ago. It’s not going to stay that way if you accept the fundamental premise that some people need sex changes. They’ll just do the same thing – point out how many of these 21-year-olds who got sex changes later killed themselves and declare that it was because they experienced male puberty which gave them masculine bodies so the solution is to get those sex changes earlier.

    • Replies: @Buzzard
    I want to change my sex to a Richelieu class battleship.
  186. @utu
    Your example are communists. From the left. They needed more repressions to introduce their crazy system because their system was so unnatural and abnormal But on the right it does not take that much. Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks or Maoists because they were restoring the system to its natural normalcy.

    Neither Mussolini nor Hitler had to do anything on the scale of Bolsheviks or Maoists because they were restoring the system to its natural normalcy.

    They did not had to do that because Zeitgeist and elites were nationalistic and sided with them.
    Nowadays it is the opposite.

  187. @silviosilver
    Extremely violent solutions are only required if the ultimate aim is to force all non-whites out of the country. But racial preservation can still be achieved by allowing the creation of racially based political units with the same country and subject to its jurisdiction. The scale across which this occurs is up for debate - you could break a country up into as few as two units (eg white and non-white) or potentially into thousands of geographically non-contiguous units (based on any number criteria) - but the essential result in all cases would be the effective cession of national territory to non-whites for the purposes of establishing white racial exclusivity on some part of that national territory.

    Quite naturally, nationalists can be expected to fervently oppose such a proposition. But we really should question whether their opposition is sound or not. If it's true that there is simply no other political solution in the offing that would permit racial continuity, then nationalist opposition to segregation and effective territorial cession would be tantamount to opposition to racial continuity itself.

    What good is keeping all the territory if keeping it implies - indeed, guarantees - eventual racial oblivion? Nationalists might respond that their interests are cultural as well as racial, and that such a racially divided state would not serve their cultural interests, since it would, let us say, make the country too difficult to "manage" in a way that national cultural interests supposedly require. This may be true, but it effectively surrenders racial interests to cultural interests. If both racial and cultural interests cannot be served, then nationalists must be forced to choose between the two. And it should be made clear to them that, if cultural interests cannot be served outside the context of racial continuity and that if the race cannot long survive in a multiracial polity, cultural extinction is bound to follow on the heels of racial extinction. An appreciation of this point should logically compel nationalists to opt for racial interests over cultural interests.

    The point should also be made that if nationalists insist on reacquiring control of the entirety of national territory for their race, and that if this cannot be done without recourse to mass violence, then the question of how best to incite mass violence must be answered. Nationalist efforts in this regard have thus far fallen woefully short of the mark. Nationalists themselves seem resigned to the conclusion that if violence will come, it will have to be incited by other political actors - eg marxists, non-whites, muslims - with nationalists merely playing a reactionary role.

    If it is true that violence must be incited by other political actors, then that which would encourage these actors to incite violence should logically be favored. I submit that the prospect of carving out exclusive territory for themselves would indeed encourage these actors to incite violence. Moreover, violence incited by them for the purposes of securing for themselves exclusive territory, cut from the national whole, is violence which would induce the most zealous reaction possible - and a reaction not restricted to existing nationalists. This would lead to the most propitious political climate imaginable for nationalists to secure their political aims.

    It must be seen then that, somewhat paradoxically, the greatest opportunity for nationalists to reclaim the national territory lies in their willingness to risk surrendering some part of it; and if such a plan relies on nationalists themselves proposing it - ie if other actors refuse to play the role this plan assigns them - then the prospect of nationalist success relies, moreover, on nationalists' willingness to propose and to (deceitfully) agree to surrender some part of national territory.

    I submit that the prospect of carving out exclusive territory for themselves would indeed encourage these actors to incite violence.

    Why would problem minorities with high rates of welfare dependence want a territory of their own? Ok, they certainly would like it when they can keep others out and enforce their cultural mores. But would they voluntarily forego all the benefits of the welfare and healtcare system which they themselves couldn’t maintain? I doubt it. The present system suits them just fine, and in Europe at least all these ideas about partitions seem rather unrealistic.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    Why would problem minorities with high rates of welfare dependence want a territory of their own?
     
    Only a portion of them are on welfare, you have to remember. And if they tend to bloc vote for welfare parties today, it's the ethnic protection these parties are seen to provide that's at least as large a part of the reason as the welfare.

    But would they voluntarily forego all the benefits of the welfare and healtcare system which they themselves couldn’t maintain?
     
    Maybe you believe they couldn't maintain it, but do they believe it? I doubt it.

    Regarding both quotes above, your reasoning applies most of all to Africans. But Africans are not the only immigrants, and indeed I have to believe that the prospects of keeping Africans out would appeal as much to non-black and non-white immigrants about as much as it does to the domestic white population.
  188. @Toronto Russian

    I don’t understand something like this transgender idiocy, it just doesn’t compute. What kind of society is it where one is expected to take something like that seriously (and where you might get ostracized if you don’t)?
     
    What do you mean idiocy? It's a real condition known since forever (hijras in India, chevalier d'Eon, Nadezhda Durova, Dr James Barry - see photo).

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Dr_James_Barry_%28surgeon%29.jpg/220px-Dr_James_Barry_%28surgeon%29.jpg

    Society treating those people as their self-perceived sex helps reduce their suffering. The 19th century Russians had enough mercy to not stuff "Cavalry Maiden" Durova back into female dress, but allow her to live the rest of her life as a man. Drag queens went on trial in Victorian England, were acquitted, and one of them continued to work as a performer.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2271845/Arrested-cross-dressing-Meet-Fanny-Stella-Victorian-gentlemen-shocked-Britain-prosecuted-unnatural-offence-transvestites.html

    But modern traditionalists just want to yell at this tiny number of ill people, who already have a hard life, that they're crazy, delusional, must snap out of it... until it somehow makes their problem go away? It doesn't. Better not try to out-trad actual traditional societies, especially in meanness.

    That is, I'm against giving hormones to children and believe treating transsexualism the Russian way is optimal: after the age of 21, with mandatory 2 years of observation by a psychiatrist to make sure there's really no other way to make a person feel better. But a more tolerant society is helpful in that it can let a trans stop at cross-dressing - not go the health-damaging hormone/surgery route in an attempt to better "pass" and not be noticed and bullied.

    But modern traditionalists just want to yell at this tiny number of ill people

    There’s no way the massive increase in transgenderism in recent years is natural.
    Either something has changed in the environment (plastics?) or there’s a cultural reason (that is, the left enthusiastically tearing down even the most basic differences in humanity in its demented quest for total universalism; that’s why they’re so keen on encouraging transgenderism instead of looking for ways how people suffering from it could learn to accept their real sex).
    And as you yourself admit, some of the things going on (giving puberty blockers and hormones to children and teenagers) are extremely dubious and virtually child abuse.
    Anyway, I don’t accept the basic premise, with current technology at least it’s impossible to change one’s biological sex, and any claims to the contrary are ideological delusions.

  189. @Anatoly Karlin
    Depends on where you settle.

    Most expats, of course, go to Moscow. And Moscow's rate is 3x lower than the national average - i.e., similar to Czechia or Italy.

    It is of course more dangerous in the provinces, which are 10 years behind Moscow and there's a significant incidence of drunk driving.

    Depends on where you settle.

    Most expats, of course, go to Moscow. And Moscow’s rate is 3x lower than the national average – i.e., similar to Czechia or Italy.

    It is of course more dangerous in the provinces, which are 10 years behind Moscow and there’s a significant incidence of drunk driving.

    True, but the roads are massively improving at all levels….and the worst driving is in Dagestan and the worst drivers are from Dag/Ingush/Che etcetera….so people not necessarily driving like an idiot because of alcohol

    Russia is also different to the other places, in that whilst Russia and the rest of the world have many horrendous vehicle on vehicle crashes, vehicle on pedestrian crashes are on a completely different level or even planet in Russia.
    But clearly overall general behaviour on the roads is improving, at least in daytime

  190. @Andrei
    As much as I like Russia I think another thing you forgot to mention about Russia is the horrendous driving in there... If I were to move to Russia(Something that I am thinking about for a long time now) I wouldn't own a car because by all accounts driving in there is a potential death wish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    Depends of what statistic you are using it looks like driving in Russia is 2-4 more dangerous than the rest of Eastern Europe.

    As much as I like Russia I think another thing you forgot to mention about Russia is the horrendous driving in there… If I were to move to Russia(Something that I am thinking about for a long time now) I wouldn’t own a car because by all accounts driving in there is a potential death wish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    Depends of what statistic you are using it looks like driving in Russia is 2-4 more dangerous than the rest of Eastern Europe.

    In 2014 the deaths on roads were 28000 , for the last year it was about 19000 deaths. A few years before 2013 it was something like 35000 deaths ( and with a lower rate of car ownership compared to now, or at least on an upward spiral)

    The deaths on roads has obvious massively decreased although the rate of accidents has decreased at a lower percentage – I think it’s down to better roads and junction design with the amount of lunatics on the road not decreasing as much as would be liked, another poster , Dmitry thinks it is down to the upgraded car fleet

    Conclusion? Roads are improving and so is general driver behaviour, but still a huge amount of lunatics on the road and way too many accidents involving pedestrians

    • Replies: @Dmitry

    another poster , Dmitry thinks it is down to the upgraded car fleet
     
    New cars are generally more safe every year.

    Solution for Andrei's worry - is to save money, to buy a modern car, with a good safety reputation. For example, buy something with 5 stars in latest safety tests like the Mazda 6. Also get an insurance policy, videocamera, and regular maintenance in a professional garage.


    I think it’s down to better roads and junction design

     

    More physical barrier separations between opposing lanes would prevent so many of the terrible crashes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG-d9DYf0Vs

  191. @Gerard2

    As much as I like Russia I think another thing you forgot to mention about Russia is the horrendous driving in there… If I were to move to Russia(Something that I am thinking about for a long time now) I wouldn’t own a car because by all accounts driving in there is a potential death wish.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    Depends of what statistic you are using it looks like driving in Russia is 2-4 more dangerous than the rest of Eastern Europe.
     
    In 2014 the deaths on roads were 28000 , for the last year it was about 19000 deaths. A few years before 2013 it was something like 35000 deaths ( and with a lower rate of car ownership compared to now, or at least on an upward spiral)

    The deaths on roads has obvious massively decreased although the rate of accidents has decreased at a lower percentage - I think it's down to better roads and junction design with the amount of lunatics on the road not decreasing as much as would be liked, another poster , Dmitry thinks it is down to the upgraded car fleet

    Conclusion? Roads are improving and so is general driver behaviour, but still a huge amount of lunatics on the road and way too many accidents involving pedestrians

    another poster , Dmitry thinks it is down to the upgraded car fleet

    New cars are generally more safe every year.

    Solution for Andrei’s worry – is to save money, to buy a modern car, with a good safety reputation. For example, buy something with 5 stars in latest safety tests like the Mazda 6. Also get an insurance policy, videocamera, and regular maintenance in a professional garage.

    I think it’s down to better roads and junction design

    More physical barrier separations between opposing lanes would prevent so many of the terrible crashes

  192. @Anatoly Karlin
    You can vote here (if you're on Twitter). And there's a number of good takes in the replies.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1087044215568322564

    You did not sound so harsh in your RO-POST…

  193. @Jaakko Raipala

    That is, I’m against giving hormones to children and believe treating transsexualism the Russian way is optimal: after the age of 21, with mandatory 2 years of observation by a psychiatrist to make sure there’s really no other way to make a person feel better.
     
    This "Russian way" is just doing what the West was doing 20 years ago. It's not going to stay that way if you accept the fundamental premise that some people need sex changes. They'll just do the same thing - point out how many of these 21-year-olds who got sex changes later killed themselves and declare that it was because they experienced male puberty which gave them masculine bodies so the solution is to get those sex changes earlier.

    I want to change my sex to a Richelieu class battleship.

  194. @German_reader

    I submit that the prospect of carving out exclusive territory for themselves would indeed encourage these actors to incite violence.
     
    Why would problem minorities with high rates of welfare dependence want a territory of their own? Ok, they certainly would like it when they can keep others out and enforce their cultural mores. But would they voluntarily forego all the benefits of the welfare and healtcare system which they themselves couldn't maintain? I doubt it. The present system suits them just fine, and in Europe at least all these ideas about partitions seem rather unrealistic.

    Why would problem minorities with high rates of welfare dependence want a territory of their own?

    Only a portion of them are on welfare, you have to remember. And if they tend to bloc vote for welfare parties today, it’s the ethnic protection these parties are seen to provide that’s at least as large a part of the reason as the welfare.

    But would they voluntarily forego all the benefits of the welfare and healtcare system which they themselves couldn’t maintain?

    Maybe you believe they couldn’t maintain it, but do they believe it? I doubt it.

    Regarding both quotes above, your reasoning applies most of all to Africans. But Africans are not the only immigrants, and indeed I have to believe that the prospects of keeping Africans out would appeal as much to non-black and non-white immigrants about as much as it does to the domestic white population.

  195. @Hyperborean

    if such a plan relies on nationalists themselves proposing it – ie if other actors refuse to play the role this plan assigns them – then the prospect of nationalist success relies, moreover, on nationalists’ willingness to propose and to (deceitfully) agree to surrender some part of national territory.
     
    Maybe that would work in America.

    In Europe, it would be considerably harder. The French Nouvelle Droite (Alain de Benoist et al.) proposed the concept of ethnopluralism, their liberal critics countered that this bantustan plan would turn France into a brutal Apartheid state.

    Given the predominantly suburban nature of deracinated subalterns in France and Western Europe in general, I think they have a point.

    The problem hadn’t progressed as far when that proposal was made.

    And of course, it’s not something you can propose once and then drop it. You have to keep pursuing it, just as integrationists and immigrationists pursued their agenda for decades before it became a reality.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    The problem hadn’t progressed as far when that proposal was made.

    And of course, it’s not something you can propose once and then drop it. You have to keep pursuing it, just as integrationists and immigrationists pursued their agenda for decades before it became a reality.
     
    I think they still believe and advocate for it. I get the impression, however, that most French fascists would rather pull an Algeria instead.
  196. @Hyperborean

    if such a plan relies on nationalists themselves proposing it – ie if other actors refuse to play the role this plan assigns them – then the prospect of nationalist success relies, moreover, on nationalists’ willingness to propose and to (deceitfully) agree to surrender some part of national territory.
     
    Maybe that would work in America.

    In Europe, it would be considerably harder. The French Nouvelle Droite (Alain de Benoist et al.) proposed the concept of ethnopluralism, their liberal critics countered that this bantustan plan would turn France into a brutal Apartheid state.

    Given the predominantly suburban nature of deracinated subalterns in France and Western Europe in general, I think they have a point.

    That is what America should have done, after the Civil War. Transport blacks using trains to get them all into one or two states. It probably would have been much more practical than sending them to Africa, as transporting them on ships would require too long a turn around and require infrastructure to be built. If you start with the blackest state, then many are already there. The radical egalitarians of the day, abolitionists probably would have gotten behind it. Because they would have been allowed to look in on them as pets.

    What part of Europe would I give them? 25-year lease on the Chernobyl exclusion zone.

  197. @silviosilver
    The problem hadn't progressed as far when that proposal was made.

    And of course, it's not something you can propose once and then drop it. You have to keep pursuing it, just as integrationists and immigrationists pursued their agenda for decades before it became a reality.

    The problem hadn’t progressed as far when that proposal was made.

    And of course, it’s not something you can propose once and then drop it. You have to keep pursuing it, just as integrationists and immigrationists pursued their agenda for decades before it became a reality.

    I think they still believe and advocate for it. I get the impression, however, that most French fascists would rather pull an Algeria instead.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean

    The French Nouvelle Droite (Alain de Benoist et al.) proposed the concept of ethnopluralism, their liberal critics countered that this bantustan plan would turn France into a brutal Apartheid state.
     
    Ironically, a fascist regime could simply convert the existing anti-terrorism and hate speech laws of the anti-French state to do this, similar to Hitler's subversion of the Weimar constitution.
  198. @Hyperborean

    The problem hadn’t progressed as far when that proposal was made.

    And of course, it’s not something you can propose once and then drop it. You have to keep pursuing it, just as integrationists and immigrationists pursued their agenda for decades before it became a reality.
     
    I think they still believe and advocate for it. I get the impression, however, that most French fascists would rather pull an Algeria instead.

    The French Nouvelle Droite (Alain de Benoist et al.) proposed the concept of ethnopluralism, their liberal critics countered that this bantustan plan would turn France into a brutal Apartheid state.

    Ironically, a fascist regime could simply convert the existing anti-terrorism and hate speech laws of the anti-French state to do this, similar to Hitler’s subversion of the Weimar constitution.

  199. strangely, AK is writing about Baltics as if being “most dedicated Russophobes” was a bad thing in their skin – since when being a wolfophobe became a bad thing for a hare as wolfophiliac hares do not tend to live for long 🙂

    Baltics is full of Soviet colonists and their descendants (up to 40%) whom are mostly predominantly Russian, so being Russophobic is a matter of a national survival for those tiny nations at the moment like being Islamophobic is a matter of national survival in Western Europe with the only difference that Muslims have not reached yet such catastrophic proportions in Western societies as Russians in Baltics.

    btw, Lithuania is bit of exception as Soviet colonists make only about 10-12% of all population so it had a chance to be somewhat more generous a gave non conditional citizenship to all those alien elements who appeared thanks to forced “open intra borders” policy during Soviet times. Guess it may have something to do with the fact that Lithuania was ruled for a very long time by somewhat national communist leader who was quietly acting against mass Soviet colonization and unique as he was the only local leader in USSR (if I’m not mistaken) who managed to stay in power till his death under Stalin, Kruschev and Breznev.

  200. @Anatoly Karlin
    Good to see you back, Boris N.

    In Russia you also cannot criticize Jews..
     
    Relative to the West, you can. Ultimate example of this is a recent 282 case: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-great-chain-of-racial-privilege/

    * Cleared of wrongdoing for Holocaust denial (would cert. lose your job in the US, and your freedom for 3-5 years in Germany/Austria).

    * Found guilty of insulting human dignity for calling Caucasians cockroaches and saying we should stop giving them gibs.

    One single isolated case that was also given much of the media attention is not very exemplary. I was once browsing the reports of the “Sova Center” and there were quite a lot of convictions for anti-Semitism. Many of them, of course, were hardcore Neo-Nazi, but there were also some random guys who were just too stupid to say bad things about Jews.

    • Replies: @melanf

    Many of them, of course, were hardcore Neo-Nazi, but there were also some random guys who were just too stupid to say bad things about Jews.
     
    example?
  201. @Boris N
    One single isolated case that was also given much of the media attention is not very exemplary. I was once browsing the reports of the "Sova Center" and there were quite a lot of convictions for anti-Semitism. Many of them, of course, were hardcore Neo-Nazi, but there were also some random guys who were just too stupid to say bad things about Jews.

    Many of them, of course, were hardcore Neo-Nazi, but there were also some random guys who were just too stupid to say bad things about Jews.

    example?

    • Replies: @Boris N
    Just google this:

    site:www.sova-center.ru приговор за антисемитизм

    Or this most ridiculous case.
    https://roskomsvoboda.org/41163/
    https://new.rublacklist.net/42501/

    Yushkov was lucky only because he did not write that piece himself, so he could argue the act of reposting was not the act of approving or endorsing. He said he only wanted "to discuss history". It only makes one wonder why the author (Anton Blagin) of the original text is not persecuted when his name is known (and even if it were not known, it is not very difficult to find out). Most probably he is a FSB provocateur and honeypot. The Russian judiciary system is very selective: it can persecute a teenager for saving a cartoon picture in his photo album, but turn a blind eye at a guy who has been writing anti-Semitic texts for years (he has a blog, so you can find it and read some).
  202. @melanf

    Many of them, of course, were hardcore Neo-Nazi, but there were also some random guys who were just too stupid to say bad things about Jews.
     
    example?

    Just google this:

    site:www.sova-center.ru приговор за антисемитизм

    Or this most ridiculous case.
    https://roskomsvoboda.org/41163/
    https://new.rublacklist.net/42501/

    Yushkov was lucky only because he did not write that piece himself, so he could argue the act of reposting was not the act of approving or endorsing. He said he only wanted “to discuss history”. It only makes one wonder why the author (Anton Blagin) of the original text is not persecuted when his name is known (and even if it were not known, it is not very difficult to find out). Most probably he is a FSB provocateur and honeypot. The Russian judiciary system is very selective: it can persecute a teenager for saving a cartoon picture in his photo album, but turn a blind eye at a guy who has been writing anti-Semitic texts for years (he has a blog, so you can find it and read some).

  203. You can get migration figures from migracje.pl.gov which shows the immigrant breakdown by origin, Non Europeans are very few in number. Most immigrants are other Europeans. Hope that helps

  204. @AquariusAnon
    I've heard about Poland starting to become more and more nonwhite in 2015, and since 2017 the rise of nonwhites has been very significant.

    I know that low class Indians who wear sandals even when it snows are the biggest problem, who mostly do stuff like deliver UberEats, and have already been caught trying to rape women.

    Overall, the post-2015 permanent resident nonwhites have reached 30,000, mostly consisting of Indians, Pakistanis, and Filipinos, while the existing Vietnamese, Chechen, and smattering of Chinese and Arabs number around 40,000. So 70,000 overall permanent nonwhite residents in Poland. Can any Polish members confirm those figures?

    But for those of us who are either international businessmen or high level white collars workers in general, Warsaw seems to be the most economically dynamic business city in the V4, and second richest on a per capita basis after Prague.

    In terms of wages and amenities, my guess would be that Moscow is essentially Warsaw levels but at the size of a megacity. As far as I know, applying for multinational corporate jobs in Moscow require business-levels of Russian. It also doesn't seem like a good place for an international businessman to set up main headquarters for now.

    And if the US goes on a messianic hysteria against Russia (e.g. designing it as a state sponsor of terror and institute an embargo on trade and large scale third party sanctions) and the EU meekly follows, those multinational corporate jobs will likely dry up as they get forced to divest their assets. And in this case, forget about making an international business work: That would be about as difficult and raise as much scrutiny as running an international business based out of Tehran nowadays. Russia's economy will crater and Moscow's vibe will likely revert to something more resembling the Soviet era in this case.

    You can find immigrant population statistics at migracje.gov.pl, The non Europeans are still few in number and the vast majority of permanent immigrants are other Europeans ( same with temporary Immigrants ). Cheers

    Sorry about repeating myself but I forgot to click reply earlier on.

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