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The Alt-Right’s Asian Fetish (Audrea Lim):

The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich, the writer John Derbyshire and an alt-right figure named Kyle Chapman (so notorious for swinging a lead-filled stick at Trump opponents at a protest in Berkeley, Calif., that he is now a meme) are all married to women of Asian descent. As a commenter wrote on an alt-right forum, “exclusively” dating Asian women is practically a “white-nationalist rite of passage.”

My blog has been recognized as an alt-right forum by the NYT, cool.

Admin of /r/hapas: 2017 full list of Neo-Nazis, alt-rights, conservatives, white supremacists who fetish / marry / date Asian women

He is clearly obsessed with the topic and overdoes the theme, but still, there’s a distinct pattern out there.

As I skipped classes to smoke in the courtyard, read Baudelaire to seem the “interesting” kind of smart and attempted to distance myself from the stereotypes, I didn’t know that the idea I wanted to run from — of Asians as civilized, advanced and highly intelligent — had roots in white supremacy.

The Chinese are market dominant minorities across swathes of South-East Asia to a far greater extent than in the US.

But you can have too much of a good thing, as evidenced by them getting repeatedly pogromed by Southern Mongoloid supremacists.

The main problem with white women, as many alt-right Asian fetishists have noted, is they’ve become too feminist.

Well, duh.

audrea-lim

That said, one Unz.com commenter suggests a more mundane reason for OP’s unhappiness: “Audrea is upset because not enough white guys have yellow fever for her. And she’s from Canada living in Brooklyn. She needs to go back.”

That’s what it usually boils down to.

 

 
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  1. My blog has been recognized as an alt-right forum by the NYT, cool.

    RationalWiki entry when?!!!

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  2. The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich[...]are all married to women of Asian descent.

    Shauna Cernovich is Persian. She is only “Asian” in that Iran is located on the continent of Asia. Racially, Persians are caucasoids. They’re just not “white” owing to being of non-European origin.

    In fact, even the US Census categorizes Iranians as “white” (maddeningly, Indians are classified as “Asian” despite also obviously not being oriental).

    Cernovich is also not a white advocate and has more in common with Sloppy Steve than Dick Spencer.

    This sort of profound ignorance in the prestige media is extremely irritating.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    She ain't even hot!
    , @Talha
    Man that is one chubby little baby - cute!
    , @Truth


    Cernovich is also not a white advocate
     
    Well, he's an advocate...

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/03/16/tranny-surprise-w-mike-cernovich/
    , @Chris Mallory
    The wogs begin at Calais. None of those 3 subjects in that picture are white.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Racially, Persians are caucasoids

    True. And "Iran" is descended from the old Persian word meaning "noble, of good family - Aryan.
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  3. I don’t think exclusively dating oriental women is an alt-right rite of passage at all.

    It’s perhaps a nerd right of passage, and there’s considerable overlap here.

    I had one Asian girlfriend, and it was prior to becoming a committed racist. I was also interested in white women at the time and never had any kind of exclusive yellow fever.

    I do still slam zipper pussy when it’s available (proud member of the bleach right), but I only date white women now.

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    • Replies: @britishbrainsize
    "slam zipper pussy when it’s available"in your dreams nerd boy.Asian women can smell your blonde bad immune system ass and laugh in your face.
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  4. As others have already mentioned, those listed are not white nationalists, the only exception is Andrew Anglin and he can be somewhat forgiven because that happened while he was traveling in Asia.

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  5. (maddeningly, Indians are classified as “Asian” despite also obviously not being oriental)

    I think it is very good that Indians are still classified as Asians. Indians like to take advantage of the ambiguity that they are also some kind of Aryans or Caucasians just like Jews who take full advantage of the ambiguity of being White when it serves them and not being White when it benefits them always in detriment to Whites. The erosion of boundaries occurs in such regions of semantic confusion. At least Blacks or Chinese do not create this confusion.

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    • Replies: @Singh
    http://www.amerika.org/politics/italians-jews-irish-greeks-slavs-and-indians-the-dual-identity-of-near-whites/

    White itself is an ambiguous identity & the various subgroups need stronger cultural institutions & in group identity, IMO.

    Ie Norse, Germanic, Celtic etc should be 'white' but also look towards & revive elements of their past culture lost to enlightenment modernity।।
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  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Audrea is upset because not enough white guys have yellow fever for her. And she’s from Canada living in Brooklyn. She needs to go back.”

    I think her reasoning goes: 1. Alt right guys are gross. 2. If gross guys are into Asian women that pulls down our brand. 3. I won’t get appealing guys to be into me.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Audrea is upset because not enough white guys have yellow fever for her. And she’s from Canada living in Brooklyn. She needs to go back.”

    I think her reasoning goes: 1. Alt right guys are gross. 2. If gross guys are into Asian women that pulls down our brand. 3. I won’t get appealing guys to be into me.
     

    Brooklyn is a short hop from three NHL teams. Maybe she'd have better luck with Canadians, without even moving. Certainly NHL fans in the stands, who even in diverse NYC, are nearly exclusively white and heavily male..
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  7. “That’s what it usually boils down to”

    That’s one of Sailer’s many laws – the Law of Feminist Journalism (?) – ie the subtext of feminist writing is mostly about how guys should find the writer to be hot, but don’t due to patriarchy (or something).

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    • Agree: ussr andy
    • Replies: @ussr andy
    “The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter-looking.”
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  8. BTW it’s lolworthy that she linked to some random comment under an unrelated post (about Ethiopia).

    Does that suggest she’s a regular reader or did google “alt-right yellow fever” take her there?

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    For what it's worth, I searched alt right yellow fever, and it didn't take me there. I also searched terms like alt right asian women or alt right asian girlfriend, but I seriously doubt these terms gave her the Ethiopia post. Strange. Also, not "a commenter", should've been "an author".
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  9. It isn’t surprising that several ‘alt-right’ people have dated Asians, given how common it is in their main demographic (young, college-educated, white men). Explanation of why men married to non-white women are civic nationalists is obvious.

    But in any case, the author is confirming a certain stereotype about Asians by being too much of a conformist to the hegemonic ideology to notice the differences between Anglin and Cerno.

    If I was an NYT journalist having fun, I’d have questioned whether Spencer’s wife is really white.

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  10. @Thorfinnsson

    The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich[...]are all married to women of Asian descent.
     
    Shauna Cernovich is Persian. She is only "Asian" in that Iran is located on the continent of Asia. Racially, Persians are caucasoids. They're just not "white" owing to being of non-European origin.

    https://cmgstatesmanpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/mikeandshauna.jpg?w=492&h=369

    In fact, even the US Census categorizes Iranians as "white" (maddeningly, Indians are classified as "Asian" despite also obviously not being oriental).

    Cernovich is also not a white advocate and has more in common with Sloppy Steve than Dick Spencer.

    This sort of profound ignorance in the prestige media is extremely irritating.

    She ain’t even hot!

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  11. @jimmyriddle
    BTW it's lolworthy that she linked to some random comment under an unrelated post (about Ethiopia).

    Does that suggest she's a regular reader or did google "alt-right yellow fever" take her there?

    For what it’s worth, I searched alt right yellow fever, and it didn’t take me there. I also searched terms like alt right asian women or alt right asian girlfriend, but I seriously doubt these terms gave her the Ethiopia post. Strange. Also, not “a commenter”, should’ve been “an author”.

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  12. Audrea Lim: 5/10. Would not bang.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    It depends. What's the alternative? She's definitely more attractive than Ms Right Hand, for example.
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  13. See, Anatoly, and you thought only the Russian nationalists had eurasianism with no western equivalent.

    Do an image search on ‘viet girls’. Dugin is right, our destiny lies in the east!

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    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    They're not the first to the party. Finnish nationalism already had racial eurasianists back in the 19th century:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism

    Since hybrid vigor had already been observed by scientists, Turanists had their own loony ideas about the benefits of European and Asian mixing. There was this whole racial interpretation of world history where bursts like Mongol and Turkic expansions were explained by hybridization events resulting in mixed Eurasian supermen with advantages over pure, inbred peoples like the Chinese and the Indo-Europeans.

    I think this complain fest is a result of the dominant liberal culture insisting that there are only two types of people, good conditioned liberals and comic book Nazis who hate everything that isn't white, and much of the anger sparked by right-wing white men with Asian spouses is anger over the obvious failure of the narrative. The narrative is that the "racists" hate other races for not looking white and much of that is projection since the narrative is crafted by women and homosexuals who actually do generally worship white looks.
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  14. @Greasy William
    Audrea Lim: 5/10. Would not bang.

    It depends. What’s the alternative? She’s definitely more attractive than Ms Right Hand, for example.

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    then you've never seen my right hand
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  15. On the subject:

    Since then, I have acted out in all manner of ways to dispel the “model minority” image.

    We know she is not the model minority. She looks australoid. This is not my utsukushii waifu. And she is a social justice warrior.

    Still, I like her better than the rest. Why? Because:

    Still, I have never fully extinguished the belief that racking up an impressive lineup of achievements is the only way to gain respect.

    See, they know no one will respect a useless lump of failure. It’s like they have standards or something. Her hair is not even purple! And she’s not fat.

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  16. A funny thing here is that it’s often not a ‘rite of passage’ like barely-out-of-teens guys going to strip clubs

    It’s that the white guys often never leave the Asian girl magnetic pull, a combination of physical and cultural characteristics

    As some say, ‘Once you partner with an Asian … you never go back to ordinary Caucasian’

    Even when scheming, Asian girls have an edge. True conversation I witnessed -
    Friend to a rich guy: ‘Hey, I think your Asian girlfriend likes you for your money’
    Rich guy: ‘I know … and I’m loving every minute of it’

    There also may be sound biological impulse at work here

    People may be correct to point out that feminine instincts of attraction are oriented toward any group of males who seem like conquering, aggressive, invaders, more manly than the cucked shite-lib locals … so Western women find rough migrants sexier

    But it’s quite screwy to be denouncing ‘race-mixing’, when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty

    As well as getting the cultural-marital-relationship virtues of a more ‘trad’ traditional wife

    Amongst Asians, there is a special, unique warm cultural experience of the ASEAN South-East Asian societies in particular … interestingly a reality generally across that region, despite the nominally varying ASEAN religions, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim … the world has much to learn from that part of the world

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    But it’s quite screwy to be denouncing ‘race-mixing’, when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty
     
    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/65b5571ba39c952d659c92bfd7c3fe3ecfcf0fea/c=384-0-1809-1071&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/05/24//1400961334000-XXX-Elliot-Rodger-.JPG
    , @Truth

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty
     
    Maybe, or maybe there are just millions of goofy mudsharks who would love to see blonde hair and blue eyes lost forever. I'm not sure which.
    , @Seamus Padraig
    I am not, in general, a big fan of miscegenation, but there is one good argument in favor of it: it reduces the incidence of genetic disease. Once, many years ago, I was at a party, and a Colombian doctor pointed out that pure-bread dogs tended to have all kinds of weird genetic conditions, whereas mutts could survive all conditions. "Some of these mutts," he told me, "you couldn't even kill with a shotgun." Slight hyperbole, but scientifically speaking, valid.
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  17. @reiner Tor
    It depends. What's the alternative? She's definitely more attractive than Ms Right Hand, for example.

    then you’ve never seen my right hand

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Neither do I wish to, at least definitely not in a sexual context.
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  18. @Greasy William
    then you've never seen my right hand

    Neither do I wish to, at least definitely not in a sexual context.

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  19. @Brabantian
    A funny thing here is that it's often not a 'rite of passage' like barely-out-of-teens guys going to strip clubs

    It's that the white guys often never leave the Asian girl magnetic pull, a combination of physical and cultural characteristics

    As some say, 'Once you partner with an Asian ... you never go back to ordinary Caucasian'

    Even when scheming, Asian girls have an edge. True conversation I witnessed -
    Friend to a rich guy: 'Hey, I think your Asian girlfriend likes you for your money'
    Rich guy: 'I know ... and I'm loving every minute of it'

    There also may be sound biological impulse at work here

    People may be correct to point out that feminine instincts of attraction are oriented toward any group of males who seem like conquering, aggressive, invaders, more manly than the cucked shite-lib locals ... so Western women find rough migrants sexier

    But it's quite screwy to be denouncing 'race-mixing', when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty

    As well as getting the cultural-marital-relationship virtues of a more 'trad' traditional wife

    Amongst Asians, there is a special, unique warm cultural experience of the ASEAN South-East Asian societies in particular ... interestingly a reality generally across that region, despite the nominally varying ASEAN religions, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim ... the world has much to learn from that part of the world

    But it’s quite screwy to be denouncing ‘race-mixing’, when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty

    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

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    • Replies: @Yevardian
    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    That blog is really something else, I remember reading it dumbstruck for days when I first found it.

    "Eurasiantiger" actually has an entry on an occasional acquaintance of mine, and unfortunately I have to admit many of his characterisations of WMAF couples holds true in my experiences with such people.
    They really do seem to be in predominantly toxic relationships, honestly even black/white couples seem more stable with less screwed-up kids, even if ultimately dysgenic for the most part.
    , @Lars Porsena
    Wow.

    For a non-SJW/'i cut myself' take there is apparently https://www.reddit.com/r/Alt_Hapa/

    These are apparently hapas who got kicked out of /r/hapas for being too racist and (apparently) too happy.

    I wouldn't go anywhere no so far as to call them alt right exactly but it is amusing that it supports my theory of alt right on the Sailer thread. Crypto-nazi hapas, at least according to hapa SJWs who cut themselves.
    , @Twinkie
    That creep is as much of a Hapa representative as Nathan Adrian: https://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/reminder-that-nathan-adrian-is-actually-the-hottes?utm_term=.hoV17r6r1#.voD9zdnd9

    My oldest boy has been doing Judo and Jujitsu since he was a baby. He looks a lot like Alan Jouban: http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/alan-jouban

    And modeling scouts have contacted my wife and me repeatedly about our girls.
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  20. @jimmyriddle
    "That’s what it usually boils down to"

    That's one of Sailer's many laws - the Law of Feminist Journalism (?) - ie the subtext of feminist writing is mostly about how guys should find the writer to be hot, but don't due to patriarchy (or something).

    “The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter-looking.”

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  21. White men with an Asian fetish?

    A cameo. I was part of a USAF aircrew that did a “remain overnight” (RON) at an airbase in Asia. We went to the Officer’s Club to tip a few. It was telling the way the night unfolded.

    I looked on the dance floor and noticed that every white male officer on the floor (local and transient) was with a local girl. They were mesmerized by the Asian women as they should be — beautiful, feminine, alluring, receptive. There were no White women on the dance floor.

    There were a number of white female officers sitting on chairs along a back wall. I think the appropriate term is “wallflower”. They got the message. Their strained expressions said it all.

    —————

    The dating website OKCupid collects and post data and analysis on racial preferences across multiple years. The dataset comes from 25 million accounts.

    https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

    In 2009, White men showed a 6% preference for Asian women, a -18% preference for Black women, a 2% preference for Latina women, and a 10% preference for White women. Notice that almost half of the White men preferred non-White women … 8% preference for non-White women vs. a 10% preference for White women.

    In 2014, White men showed a 9% preference for Asian women (+3), a -17% preference for Black women (+1), a 3% preference for Latina women (+1), and a 6% preference for White women (-4). Notice that five years later that White men showed a 12% preference for non-White women vs. a 6% preference for White women.

    Ironically, in spite of gender feminism and its attempts to masculinize women and emasculate men, White men remain the favored preference for White women … and the aggregate preference of women of all races. In 2009, White women showed a 17% preference for White men. In 2014, that preference was 19% (+2).

    Sorry, ladies, White men are looking elsewhere in ever greater numbers. Perhaps time to pay more attention to being feminine, alluring, and receptive … with less emphasis on being whiny and needy victims of the White Male Patriarchy. You’ve got competition.

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    • Replies: @Truth

    Sorry, ladies, White men are looking elsewhere in ever greater numbers. Perhaps time to pay more attention to being feminine, alluring, and receptive … with less emphasis on being whiny and needy victims of the White Male Patriarchy.
     
    Yeah, but what about the other side of the coin (if you know what I mean...)?
    , @Enjoydadecline
    Hmmm, looks like asian men are thoroughly cucked. At least asian guys can sit on the sidelines and watch as the arabs,pakis,africans cuck white men and slowly take over Europe neighborhood block and schadenfreude as the mestizos reclaim California,Arizona and Texas.



    Don't know how things will turn out in US due to the Trump effect but once the next leftist democrat President gets elected. I hope he/she opens the floodgates again to hyper aggressive,low inhibtion africans,arabs and mestizos!
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  22. How about John Ono Lennon, and Mark David Chapman?

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  23. @Thorfinnsson

    The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich[...]are all married to women of Asian descent.
     
    Shauna Cernovich is Persian. She is only "Asian" in that Iran is located on the continent of Asia. Racially, Persians are caucasoids. They're just not "white" owing to being of non-European origin.

    https://cmgstatesmanpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/mikeandshauna.jpg?w=492&h=369

    In fact, even the US Census categorizes Iranians as "white" (maddeningly, Indians are classified as "Asian" despite also obviously not being oriental).

    Cernovich is also not a white advocate and has more in common with Sloppy Steve than Dick Spencer.

    This sort of profound ignorance in the prestige media is extremely irritating.

    Man that is one chubby little baby – cute!

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  24. Thanks for the opportunity to link for the third time today to a penis-whitening article from Thailand:

    https://www.inverse.com/article/39969-penis-whitening-thailand

    They’re trying to get their girls back from Gary Glitter!

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  25. @Anonymous
    "Audrea is upset because not enough white guys have yellow fever for her. And she’s from Canada living in Brooklyn. She needs to go back."

    I think her reasoning goes: 1. Alt right guys are gross. 2. If gross guys are into Asian women that pulls down our brand. 3. I won't get appealing guys to be into me.

    “Audrea is upset because not enough white guys have yellow fever for her. And she’s from Canada living in Brooklyn. She needs to go back.”

    I think her reasoning goes: 1. Alt right guys are gross. 2. If gross guys are into Asian women that pulls down our brand. 3. I won’t get appealing guys to be into me.

    Brooklyn is a short hop from three NHL teams. Maybe she’d have better luck with Canadians, without even moving. Certainly NHL fans in the stands, who even in diverse NYC, are nearly exclusively white and heavily male..

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    Maybe the fans at a Brooklyn NHL game are almost all white, but that's certainly not the case for the L.A. Kings (tons of Mexicans and some Asians and a little bit of everyone except Africans) or the Vancouver Canucks (tons of Asians).
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  26. Paradigmatic case of female psychological projection.
    The asian females themselves (at least the more americanized) hate asian males and state that they don’t want to do with them. So it’s the other way around; asian females pursue and fetishize white men over all other ethnic groups. White males exclusively date and marry white women. And isn’t the jewish guys who overwhelmingly marry asians aka the new shiksas?

    Maybe the nationalistic wms types attract the self-hating asian females. The heart doesn’t know what the heart wants.

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  27. Lemme guess…… Andrea Lim professes to wanting to be judged on personality rather than looks. But while her looks are reasonably attractive, her personality is rotten and it turns men off. So she convinces herself that it’s because she doesn’t look “Asian” enough.

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    • Replies: @Truth

    But while her looks are reasonably attractive
     
    Dude please, you'd be all over that like a Nehru jacket, and have the white guys I know would propose to her after the first date.
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  28. Daniel Chieh: … the essential holiness that the Confucian cultures have given to exams and educators.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Its a Thai movie, which isn't exactly the same kind of culture and I'm actually not sure if they are a particularly Confucian culture. My understanding is that they are not, but again, my knowledge on this is limited.

    But there's also to consider that if anything is seen as being somehow sacred, then the transgressive and "cool" thing is to find some way to violate it. Its why there are more movies about bank robbers than about investors who focus on earning compound interest.

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  29. @Reg Cæsar

    “Audrea is upset because not enough white guys have yellow fever for her. And she’s from Canada living in Brooklyn. She needs to go back.”

    I think her reasoning goes: 1. Alt right guys are gross. 2. If gross guys are into Asian women that pulls down our brand. 3. I won’t get appealing guys to be into me.
     

    Brooklyn is a short hop from three NHL teams. Maybe she'd have better luck with Canadians, without even moving. Certainly NHL fans in the stands, who even in diverse NYC, are nearly exclusively white and heavily male..

    Maybe the fans at a Brooklyn NHL game are almost all white, but that’s certainly not the case for the L.A. Kings (tons of Mexicans and some Asians and a little bit of everyone except Africans) or the Vancouver Canucks (tons of Asians).

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    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    Whites get credit for that invention - greatest sport ever!

    Also, no lack of aggressive White males either. You remember when Konstantinov or Stevens would flip a guy in the air with a clean center-Ice check? Beautiful!

    Peace.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    tons of Mexicans
     
    That doesn't translate to a large number of individuals. Modern Mexicans are notoriously obese.
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  30. Jared Taylor has half-Japanese adult children in Japan, although I don’t think he’ s legally their father or has a relationship with them. And I think he might have had them before he became a professional WN activist.

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    Jared Taylor has half-Japanese adult children in Japan, although I don’t think he’ s legally their father or has a relationship with them
     
    LOL, hey Thomm was right, WN's are like Knee-grows!
    , @Alden
    And his American children are Jews. His wife, Evelyn Rich worked for the ADL for years and has a PHD in Evil White Nationalist Studies from Tulane.
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  31. @Anatoly Karlin
    Daniel Chieh: ... the essential holiness that the Confucian cultures have given to exams and educators.

    https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/950879458365407232

    Its a Thai movie, which isn’t exactly the same kind of culture and I’m actually not sure if they are a particularly Confucian culture. My understanding is that they are not, but again, my knowledge on this is limited.

    But there’s also to consider that if anything is seen as being somehow sacred, then the transgressive and “cool” thing is to find some way to violate it. Its why there are more movies about bank robbers than about investors who focus on earning compound interest.

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    Thailand does have a large overseas Chinese community the largest in south east asia, majority in bangkok this is where sinic influence comes in. Thai culture is quite open in contrast to to islamic south east asian societies so Chinese are able to better assimilate there.
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  32. @RadicalCenter
    Maybe the fans at a Brooklyn NHL game are almost all white, but that's certainly not the case for the L.A. Kings (tons of Mexicans and some Asians and a little bit of everyone except Africans) or the Vancouver Canucks (tons of Asians).

    Whites get credit for that invention – greatest sport ever!

    Also, no lack of aggressive White males either. You remember when Konstantinov or Stevens would flip a guy in the air with a clean center-Ice check? Beautiful!

    Peace.

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    Whites get credit for that invention – greatest sport ever!

    Also, no lack of aggressive White males either. You remember when Konstantinov or Stevens would flip a guy in the air with a clean center-Ice check? Beautiful!

    Peace.
     
    It came from Indians (feather not dot): http://manataka.org/page2773.html
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Whites get credit for that invention – greatest sport ever!

     

    Until chessboxing arrived on the scene.
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  33. “as evidenced by them getting repeatedly pogromed by Southern Mongoloid supremacists.”

    For a minute there, I thought you were saying that Southerners are retarded supremacists. ;-)

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  34. @Daniel Chieh
    Its a Thai movie, which isn't exactly the same kind of culture and I'm actually not sure if they are a particularly Confucian culture. My understanding is that they are not, but again, my knowledge on this is limited.

    But there's also to consider that if anything is seen as being somehow sacred, then the transgressive and "cool" thing is to find some way to violate it. Its why there are more movies about bank robbers than about investors who focus on earning compound interest.

    Thailand does have a large overseas Chinese community the largest in south east asia, majority in bangkok this is where sinic influence comes in. Thai culture is quite open in contrast to to islamic south east asian societies so Chinese are able to better assimilate there.

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    Perhaps but I'm not sure if they use the basis of exams to select for an elite as a form of "participatory legitimacy" which is kind of the basis of Confucianism. Essentially, in a democracy, the legitimacy of power comes from voting: everyone has the opportunity to "participate" through representation in his vote. The idea behind Confucian meritocracy theoretically is that legitimacy comes from high-stakes exams that everyone can "participate" in through representation in participating in the exam and possibly become a member of an elite. A very high score + elite university essentially is a permanent advantage in life.

    Of course, just as special interest orgs and money can distort democratic voting(and sometimes outright stuffing), so does tutoring and cheating can distort such "meritocracy." And it can select for ridiculous things, as the eight-legged essays did once.

    But it has to be perceived as generally authentic for it to have legitimacy - which is why for example, in Vietnam, where cheating was assumed to be the norm when they attempted to replicate a gaokao, it carries very little authority.

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  35. @Brabantian
    A funny thing here is that it's often not a 'rite of passage' like barely-out-of-teens guys going to strip clubs

    It's that the white guys often never leave the Asian girl magnetic pull, a combination of physical and cultural characteristics

    As some say, 'Once you partner with an Asian ... you never go back to ordinary Caucasian'

    Even when scheming, Asian girls have an edge. True conversation I witnessed -
    Friend to a rich guy: 'Hey, I think your Asian girlfriend likes you for your money'
    Rich guy: 'I know ... and I'm loving every minute of it'

    There also may be sound biological impulse at work here

    People may be correct to point out that feminine instincts of attraction are oriented toward any group of males who seem like conquering, aggressive, invaders, more manly than the cucked shite-lib locals ... so Western women find rough migrants sexier

    But it's quite screwy to be denouncing 'race-mixing', when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty

    As well as getting the cultural-marital-relationship virtues of a more 'trad' traditional wife

    Amongst Asians, there is a special, unique warm cultural experience of the ASEAN South-East Asian societies in particular ... interestingly a reality generally across that region, despite the nominally varying ASEAN religions, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim ... the world has much to learn from that part of the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty

    Maybe, or maybe there are just millions of goofy mudsharks who would love to see blonde hair and blue eyes lost forever. I’m not sure which.

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  36. @TheJester
    White men with an Asian fetish?

    A cameo. I was part of a USAF aircrew that did a "remain overnight" (RON) at an airbase in Asia. We went to the Officer's Club to tip a few. It was telling the way the night unfolded.

    I looked on the dance floor and noticed that every white male officer on the floor (local and transient) was with a local girl. They were mesmerized by the Asian women as they should be -- beautiful, feminine, alluring, receptive. There were no White women on the dance floor.

    There were a number of white female officers sitting on chairs along a back wall. I think the appropriate term is "wallflower". They got the message. Their strained expressions said it all.

    ---------------

    The dating website OKCupid collects and post data and analysis on racial preferences across multiple years. The dataset comes from 25 million accounts.

    https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

    In 2009, White men showed a 6% preference for Asian women, a -18% preference for Black women, a 2% preference for Latina women, and a 10% preference for White women. Notice that almost half of the White men preferred non-White women ... 8% preference for non-White women vs. a 10% preference for White women.

    In 2014, White men showed a 9% preference for Asian women (+3), a -17% preference for Black women (+1), a 3% preference for Latina women (+1), and a 6% preference for White women (-4). Notice that five years later that White men showed a 12% preference for non-White women vs. a 6% preference for White women.

    Ironically, in spite of gender feminism and its attempts to masculinize women and emasculate men, White men remain the favored preference for White women ... and the aggregate preference of women of all races. In 2009, White women showed a 17% preference for White men. In 2014, that preference was 19% (+2).

    Sorry, ladies, White men are looking elsewhere in ever greater numbers. Perhaps time to pay more attention to being feminine, alluring, and receptive ... with less emphasis on being whiny and needy victims of the White Male Patriarchy. You've got competition.

    Sorry, ladies, White men are looking elsewhere in ever greater numbers. Perhaps time to pay more attention to being feminine, alluring, and receptive … with less emphasis on being whiny and needy victims of the White Male Patriarchy.

    Yeah, but what about the other side of the coin (if you know what I mean…)?

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  37. @Thirdeye
    Lemme guess...... Andrea Lim professes to wanting to be judged on personality rather than looks. But while her looks are reasonably attractive, her personality is rotten and it turns men off. So she convinces herself that it's because she doesn't look "Asian" enough.

    But while her looks are reasonably attractive

    Dude please, you’d be all over that like a Nehru jacket, and have the white guys I know would propose to her after the first date.

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    Nehru jacket - LOOOOL!!!!
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  38. @Anonymous
    Jared Taylor has half-Japanese adult children in Japan, although I don't think he' s legally their father or has a relationship with them. And I think he might have had them before he became a professional WN activist.

    Jared Taylor has half-Japanese adult children in Japan, although I don’t think he’ s legally their father or has a relationship with them

    LOL, hey Thomm was right, WN’s are like Knee-grows!

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  39. @Thorfinnsson


    But it’s quite screwy to be denouncing ‘race-mixing’, when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty
     
    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/65b5571ba39c952d659c92bfd7c3fe3ecfcf0fea/c=384-0-1809-1071&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/05/24//1400961334000-XXX-Elliot-Rodger-.JPG

    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    That blog is really something else, I remember reading it dumbstruck for days when I first found it.

    “Eurasiantiger” actually has an entry on an occasional acquaintance of mine, and unfortunately I have to admit many of his characterisations of WMAF couples holds true in my experiences with such people.
    They really do seem to be in predominantly toxic relationships, honestly even black/white couples seem more stable with less screwed-up kids, even if ultimately dysgenic for the most part.

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    Is there evidence for this besides cherry picked examples and anecdoes cited by racialists? Are they, say, more likely to be opiate addicted deadbeats than young whites are?
    , @Duke of Qin
    The causes of this are female solipsism and simple failure to manage expectations. The white father is simply blind to the racial dynamics of his progeny. The Asian mother driven by a ruthless urge to assimilate and a status upgrade raise their children with an entirely white identity. However, they will for the vast majority fail to rise past the uncanny valley and be seen as such by a White society. This contradiction, a home environment that raises them as white and a white society that treats them as not results in problems like Elliott Rogers. This doesn't apply to black mulattos in the West who are recognized as blacks by all parties.
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  40. @Thorfinnsson

    The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich[...]are all married to women of Asian descent.
     
    Shauna Cernovich is Persian. She is only "Asian" in that Iran is located on the continent of Asia. Racially, Persians are caucasoids. They're just not "white" owing to being of non-European origin.

    https://cmgstatesmanpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/mikeandshauna.jpg?w=492&h=369

    In fact, even the US Census categorizes Iranians as "white" (maddeningly, Indians are classified as "Asian" despite also obviously not being oriental).

    Cernovich is also not a white advocate and has more in common with Sloppy Steve than Dick Spencer.

    This sort of profound ignorance in the prestige media is extremely irritating.

    Cernovich is also not a white advocate

    Well, he’s an advocate…

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/03/16/tranny-surprise-w-mike-cernovich/

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  41. @Third world nationalist
    Thailand does have a large overseas Chinese community the largest in south east asia, majority in bangkok this is where sinic influence comes in. Thai culture is quite open in contrast to to islamic south east asian societies so Chinese are able to better assimilate there.

    Perhaps but I’m not sure if they use the basis of exams to select for an elite as a form of “participatory legitimacy” which is kind of the basis of Confucianism. Essentially, in a democracy, the legitimacy of power comes from voting: everyone has the opportunity to “participate” through representation in his vote. The idea behind Confucian meritocracy theoretically is that legitimacy comes from high-stakes exams that everyone can “participate” in through representation in participating in the exam and possibly become a member of an elite. A very high score + elite university essentially is a permanent advantage in life.

    Of course, just as special interest orgs and money can distort democratic voting(and sometimes outright stuffing), so does tutoring and cheating can distort such “meritocracy.” And it can select for ridiculous things, as the eight-legged essays did once.

    But it has to be perceived as generally authentic for it to have legitimacy – which is why for example, in Vietnam, where cheating was assumed to be the norm when they attempted to replicate a gaokao, it carries very little authority.

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  42. @Thorfinnsson

    The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich[...]are all married to women of Asian descent.
     
    Shauna Cernovich is Persian. She is only "Asian" in that Iran is located on the continent of Asia. Racially, Persians are caucasoids. They're just not "white" owing to being of non-European origin.

    https://cmgstatesmanpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/mikeandshauna.jpg?w=492&h=369

    In fact, even the US Census categorizes Iranians as "white" (maddeningly, Indians are classified as "Asian" despite also obviously not being oriental).

    Cernovich is also not a white advocate and has more in common with Sloppy Steve than Dick Spencer.

    This sort of profound ignorance in the prestige media is extremely irritating.

    The wogs begin at Calais. None of those 3 subjects in that picture are white.

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    Cernovich is from Kankakee, IL and his parents are evangelical Christians of south slavic descent.

    Not exactly old stock, but hard to say he isn't white.

    Persians aren't white and should not be admitted for future immigration, but I won't raise a ruckus about the ones already here.

    They're close enough and we can certainly assimilate the ones already here.
    , @Corvinus
    Yes, the three pictured are indeed white. Iranians are from Aryan people. They are considered white because they are Caucasians.
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  43. @Yevardian
    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    That blog is really something else, I remember reading it dumbstruck for days when I first found it.

    "Eurasiantiger" actually has an entry on an occasional acquaintance of mine, and unfortunately I have to admit many of his characterisations of WMAF couples holds true in my experiences with such people.
    They really do seem to be in predominantly toxic relationships, honestly even black/white couples seem more stable with less screwed-up kids, even if ultimately dysgenic for the most part.

    Is there evidence for this besides cherry picked examples and anecdoes cited by racialists? Are they, say, more likely to be opiate addicted deadbeats than young whites are?

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  44. Don’t forget FBI snitch and pretend White Nationalist, The Traitor Glenn Miller. He has an Asian daughter .

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  45. @Chris Mallory
    The wogs begin at Calais. None of those 3 subjects in that picture are white.

    Cernovich is from Kankakee, IL and his parents are evangelical Christians of south slavic descent.

    Not exactly old stock, but hard to say he isn’t white.

    Persians aren’t white and should not be admitted for future immigration, but I won’t raise a ruckus about the ones already here.

    They’re close enough and we can certainly assimilate the ones already here.

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    Mallory is right:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvwM645GA40
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  46. @Truth

    But while her looks are reasonably attractive
     
    Dude please, you'd be all over that like a Nehru jacket, and have the white guys I know would propose to her after the first date.

    Nehru jacket – LOOOOL!!!!

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  47. @Thorfinnsson


    But it’s quite screwy to be denouncing ‘race-mixing’, when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty
     
    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/65b5571ba39c952d659c92bfd7c3fe3ecfcf0fea/c=384-0-1809-1071&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/05/24//1400961334000-XXX-Elliot-Rodger-.JPG

    Wow.

    For a non-SJW/’i cut myself’ take there is apparently https://www.reddit.com/r/Alt_Hapa/

    These are apparently hapas who got kicked out of /r/hapas for being too racist and (apparently) too happy.

    I wouldn’t go anywhere no so far as to call them alt right exactly but it is amusing that it supports my theory of alt right on the Sailer thread. Crypto-nazi hapas, at least according to hapa SJWs who cut themselves.

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  48. @Thorfinnsson
    Cernovich is from Kankakee, IL and his parents are evangelical Christians of south slavic descent.

    Not exactly old stock, but hard to say he isn't white.

    Persians aren't white and should not be admitted for future immigration, but I won't raise a ruckus about the ones already here.

    They're close enough and we can certainly assimilate the ones already here.

    Mallory is right:

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  49. The reasons for this are simple psycho-cultural dynamics. East Asians are simply less spontaneously violent than any other race. Intermix two groups of people and the males of one group that commit a disproportionate numbers of rapes against females of the other group will also 9 times out of 10 also be more likely to be engaged in consensual relationships. This is simple biology. Women like cads.

    The way this has been generally mitigated is by the less violent group being more organized and engaging in communal violence against the more aggressive outgroup males. See how whites reacted to blacks taking their women prior to the mid 20th century and Arabs still do today. In the liberal Western societies where the state has a monopoly on violence and clan vendetta no longer legal, the natural hierarchy asserts itself.

    Of course not all women only care about aggression in men, they want status too. White men, despite I suspect many here would disagree, still have the highest status in the West and really the world at large. East Asian women being more calculating are generally repulsed by low status blacks, but find high status whites and more aggressive ones at that a winning combination.

    It is true that white men don’t actually have an Asian fetishist but rather the other way around. Asian women simply have noticeably lower standards when it comes to white men. Men generally aren’t that picky when it comes to women despite everyone on the internet thumbing their noses at anything less than an 8. They follow the path of least resistance and hence will settle for the first non disagreeable woman that comes along. When White Nationalists have generally low status among their own female peer group, they are willing to settle with an Asian woman particularly since she is skinnier than his own market value would warrant.

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    Women like cads.
     
    Too simplistic. Women like men who are socially and economically functional in the society in which they live. The dominating, sperm-donating "alpha" of PUA legend is often not socially functional or a good life partner. They know how to get women to latch onto them as a boost for their self-esteem, but their relationship skills are wanting. There are in actuality very few situations in which alpha traits mean social success - the top of the corporate food chain, sports, various ego-driven enterprises - but for most in the working world the most functional traits are those good for teamwork, social relationships, and gaining the favor of those further up in various hierarchies. Women know that.
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  50. @Yevardian
    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    That blog is really something else, I remember reading it dumbstruck for days when I first found it.

    "Eurasiantiger" actually has an entry on an occasional acquaintance of mine, and unfortunately I have to admit many of his characterisations of WMAF couples holds true in my experiences with such people.
    They really do seem to be in predominantly toxic relationships, honestly even black/white couples seem more stable with less screwed-up kids, even if ultimately dysgenic for the most part.

    The causes of this are female solipsism and simple failure to manage expectations. The white father is simply blind to the racial dynamics of his progeny. The Asian mother driven by a ruthless urge to assimilate and a status upgrade raise their children with an entirely white identity. However, they will for the vast majority fail to rise past the uncanny valley and be seen as such by a White society. This contradiction, a home environment that raises them as white and a white society that treats them as not results in problems like Elliott Rogers. This doesn’t apply to black mulattos in the West who are recognized as blacks by all parties.

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  51. @Lars Porsena
    See, Anatoly, and you thought only the Russian nationalists had eurasianism with no western equivalent.

    Do an image search on 'viet girls'. Dugin is right, our destiny lies in the east!

    They’re not the first to the party. Finnish nationalism already had racial eurasianists back in the 19th century:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism

    Since hybrid vigor had already been observed by scientists, Turanists had their own loony ideas about the benefits of European and Asian mixing. There was this whole racial interpretation of world history where bursts like Mongol and Turkic expansions were explained by hybridization events resulting in mixed Eurasian supermen with advantages over pure, inbred peoples like the Chinese and the Indo-Europeans.

    I think this complain fest is a result of the dominant liberal culture insisting that there are only two types of people, good conditioned liberals and comic book Nazis who hate everything that isn’t white, and much of the anger sparked by right-wing white men with Asian spouses is anger over the obvious failure of the narrative. The narrative is that the “racists” hate other races for not looking white and much of that is projection since the narrative is crafted by women and homosexuals who actually do generally worship white looks.

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    I've sometimes heard stuff like this from Russians, particularly those who have a Tatar or Bashkir somewhere in their family tree.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    Off-topic:

    I discovered your comments one day and found them fascinating. You provide a great window on Finland.

    I showed your comment history to my father and brother.

    My family is of Swedish descent so we all have some interest in Finland. During the Winter War we adopted an orphan from Finland and a few of us volunteered for Finland.
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  52. That fugly author painfully labored to pretend she is confused by “white supremacists” marrying Asians.

    Feminism has always been based upon lies but it has become a hysterical noise machine.

    I married an Asian because she was hot, young, and loves me for laying down the bacon and slapping her ass every time she’s close enough to swat.

    There isn’t a hint of feminism in these beautiful East Asian units guys. They love men to pieces.

    What kind of a retard would choose a fugly Asian? The fugly strain causes feminism. Even in lab rats.

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    Thanks for making my point.
    , @Corvinus
    "I married an Asian because she was hot, young, and loves me for laying down the bacon and slapping her ass every time she’s close enough to swat."

    Unless you have a photograph of you and her, along with her confirming how you essentially "dominate" her, it is safe to assume you are trying to curry favor among the fine posters here by making a big boast. In other words, put up or shut up.

    As far as "white women being too feminist", that's more along the lines of Fake News.
    , @dfordoom

    The fugly strain causes feminism.
     
    There's no question about that. There's a very high correlation between fugliness and feminism.

    And as several commenters alluded to, there's a remarkably high correlation between horrible personalities and feminism.

    Feminism is for the sorts of women who can't get decent men. That's why feminism is so popular with Hollywood actresses. There aren't any decent men in Hollywood.
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  53. @Backwoods Bob
    That fugly author painfully labored to pretend she is confused by "white supremacists" marrying Asians.

    Feminism has always been based upon lies but it has become a hysterical noise machine.

    I married an Asian because she was hot, young, and loves me for laying down the bacon and slapping her ass every time she's close enough to swat.

    There isn't a hint of feminism in these beautiful East Asian units guys. They love men to pieces.

    What kind of a retard would choose a fugly Asian? The fugly strain causes feminism. Even in lab rats.

    Thanks for making my point.

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  54. @Brabantian
    A funny thing here is that it's often not a 'rite of passage' like barely-out-of-teens guys going to strip clubs

    It's that the white guys often never leave the Asian girl magnetic pull, a combination of physical and cultural characteristics

    As some say, 'Once you partner with an Asian ... you never go back to ordinary Caucasian'

    Even when scheming, Asian girls have an edge. True conversation I witnessed -
    Friend to a rich guy: 'Hey, I think your Asian girlfriend likes you for your money'
    Rich guy: 'I know ... and I'm loving every minute of it'

    There also may be sound biological impulse at work here

    People may be correct to point out that feminine instincts of attraction are oriented toward any group of males who seem like conquering, aggressive, invaders, more manly than the cucked shite-lib locals ... so Western women find rough migrants sexier

    But it's quite screwy to be denouncing 'race-mixing', when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty

    As well as getting the cultural-marital-relationship virtues of a more 'trad' traditional wife

    Amongst Asians, there is a special, unique warm cultural experience of the ASEAN South-East Asian societies in particular ... interestingly a reality generally across that region, despite the nominally varying ASEAN religions, Buddhist, Christian or Muslim ... the world has much to learn from that part of the world

    I am not, in general, a big fan of miscegenation, but there is one good argument in favor of it: it reduces the incidence of genetic disease. Once, many years ago, I was at a party, and a Colombian doctor pointed out that pure-bread dogs tended to have all kinds of weird genetic conditions, whereas mutts could survive all conditions. “Some of these mutts,” he told me, “you couldn’t even kill with a shotgun.” Slight hyperbole, but scientifically speaking, valid.

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    By marrying a girl from the next village, you reduced the probability of genetic disease already by over 99%. By marrying someone from another race, you don't reduce it much further (it's still not zero! besides, all hybrid vigor is lost one generation later anyway), but you might run into other problems, because - although they are far from speciation - different races could easily be slightly incompatible. I'd guess that this might affect the reproductive organs and the central nervous system the most, so the prevalence of mental illnesses or infertility might be slightly higher with mixed-race individuals than with others. I'd bet both hybrid vigor and these problems are very small.
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    Actually invalid. The reason those "pure bred" dogs have problems is not inbreeding, it's that human breeders have been creating dog races for aesthetic appearance, running speed or some other single trait without considering the side effects. Thus you have dogs that have hips that are pleasing to human eye but that cannot support the dog's weight, noses that look perfect from the human breeder's point of view but that make it difficult for the dog to breathe and so on.

    All these "top" breeds that you see in dog shows are products of human selection, not natural selection, and they frequently have traits that you would not find in a race that evolved through natural selection. Letting these dogs cross-breed with mutts for a couple of generations will dilute out their set of dysfunctional, human selected traits and leave you with a bunch of "normal" dogs that are as sturdy as any evolved animal.

    There is nothing comparable for humans since human races evolved through natural selection and there was no overlord species breeding humans to create artificial races for entertainment purposes. In humans you get the usual downsides of inbreeding and outbreeding...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding_depression
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression

    ...but funnily enough you rarely hear it mentioned in this Zeitgeist that there is a biological downside to outbreeding. The downside of inbreeding declines rapidly when you get away from the closest relatives so it's optimal to marry quite close. The only study I've found that actually tried to find out the optimal level for humans found that marrying third cousins is ideal for fitness:

    http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080207/full/news.2008.562.html

    , @Anonymous
    Mutts are usually healthier than most commonly available purebred dogs, but most are worthless if you are buying the animal to actually do anything, i.e., a hunting dog, sheep herding dog, whatever.

    I don't know about crosses of closely related working or hunting breeds-if you cross a labrador dog to a golden retriever bitch, both of which retrieve really well, will the pups be less inclined to be effective retrievers than had you found the "correct" sire or dam?


    Also, the popular on-purpose crosses commercially available, like the labradoodle, peek-a-poo, et al, are often made by breeding a sire and dam (or at least the dam) of lesser quality than would be used to breed purebred dogs, because there is no consideration of quality by a kennel club or knowledgeable buyers. Such dogs can be great pets or worthless. But if you just want a pet you should not be going to a breeder, you should get a rescue or pound dog or get a pup from the neighbors whose Dixibelle got knocked up when she got out the gate while in heat.
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  55. @Seamus Padraig
    I am not, in general, a big fan of miscegenation, but there is one good argument in favor of it: it reduces the incidence of genetic disease. Once, many years ago, I was at a party, and a Colombian doctor pointed out that pure-bread dogs tended to have all kinds of weird genetic conditions, whereas mutts could survive all conditions. "Some of these mutts," he told me, "you couldn't even kill with a shotgun." Slight hyperbole, but scientifically speaking, valid.

    By marrying a girl from the next village, you reduced the probability of genetic disease already by over 99%. By marrying someone from another race, you don’t reduce it much further (it’s still not zero! besides, all hybrid vigor is lost one generation later anyway), but you might run into other problems, because – although they are far from speciation – different races could easily be slightly incompatible. I’d guess that this might affect the reproductive organs and the central nervous system the most, so the prevalence of mental illnesses or infertility might be slightly higher with mixed-race individuals than with others. I’d bet both hybrid vigor and these problems are very small.

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  56. https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/family/a-jewish-asian-love-affair-1.63377

    https://forward.com/news/326875/jews-with-asian-heritage-pose-growing-challenge-to-american-jewry/

    Zuckerberg, Tiger mom’s husband, ect are white nationalists, according to The Social Network book it is the big calfs that Asian women flaunt!.

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  57. @Seamus Padraig
    I am not, in general, a big fan of miscegenation, but there is one good argument in favor of it: it reduces the incidence of genetic disease. Once, many years ago, I was at a party, and a Colombian doctor pointed out that pure-bread dogs tended to have all kinds of weird genetic conditions, whereas mutts could survive all conditions. "Some of these mutts," he told me, "you couldn't even kill with a shotgun." Slight hyperbole, but scientifically speaking, valid.

    Actually invalid. The reason those “pure bred” dogs have problems is not inbreeding, it’s that human breeders have been creating dog races for aesthetic appearance, running speed or some other single trait without considering the side effects. Thus you have dogs that have hips that are pleasing to human eye but that cannot support the dog’s weight, noses that look perfect from the human breeder’s point of view but that make it difficult for the dog to breathe and so on.

    All these “top” breeds that you see in dog shows are products of human selection, not natural selection, and they frequently have traits that you would not find in a race that evolved through natural selection. Letting these dogs cross-breed with mutts for a couple of generations will dilute out their set of dysfunctional, human selected traits and leave you with a bunch of “normal” dogs that are as sturdy as any evolved animal.

    There is nothing comparable for humans since human races evolved through natural selection and there was no overlord species breeding humans to create artificial races for entertainment purposes. In humans you get the usual downsides of inbreeding and outbreeding…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding_depression

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression

    …but funnily enough you rarely hear it mentioned in this Zeitgeist that there is a biological downside to outbreeding. The downside of inbreeding declines rapidly when you get away from the closest relatives so it’s optimal to marry quite close. The only study I’ve found that actually tried to find out the optimal level for humans found that marrying third cousins is ideal for fitness:

    http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080207/full/news.2008.562.html

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  58. @Jaakko Raipala
    They're not the first to the party. Finnish nationalism already had racial eurasianists back in the 19th century:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism

    Since hybrid vigor had already been observed by scientists, Turanists had their own loony ideas about the benefits of European and Asian mixing. There was this whole racial interpretation of world history where bursts like Mongol and Turkic expansions were explained by hybridization events resulting in mixed Eurasian supermen with advantages over pure, inbred peoples like the Chinese and the Indo-Europeans.

    I think this complain fest is a result of the dominant liberal culture insisting that there are only two types of people, good conditioned liberals and comic book Nazis who hate everything that isn't white, and much of the anger sparked by right-wing white men with Asian spouses is anger over the obvious failure of the narrative. The narrative is that the "racists" hate other races for not looking white and much of that is projection since the narrative is crafted by women and homosexuals who actually do generally worship white looks.

    I’ve sometimes heard stuff like this from Russians, particularly those who have a Tatar or Bashkir somewhere in their family tree.

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  59. @Thorfinnsson


    But it’s quite screwy to be denouncing ‘race-mixing’, when it is plain as day that some mixed-race people are some of the most beautiful human beings in the world

    The love for Asian women by caucasian men, may be partly the biological instinct to try to create some of that unique beauty
     
    https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/65b5571ba39c952d659c92bfd7c3fe3ecfcf0fea/c=384-0-1809-1071&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/05/24//1400961334000-XXX-Elliot-Rodger-.JPG

    That creep is as much of a Hapa representative as Nathan Adrian: https://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/reminder-that-nathan-adrian-is-actually-the-hottes?utm_term=.hoV17r6r1#.voD9zdnd9

    My oldest boy has been doing Judo and Jujitsu since he was a baby. He looks a lot like Alan Jouban: http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/alan-jouban

    And modeling scouts have contacted my wife and me repeatedly about our girls.

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    There seems to be some general pattern where hapa boys of a wm/af couple have trouble, whereas offspring of of am/wf parents are fine.

    And in any case you are a race traitor and miscegenationist so go to hell.

    Main purpose of my comment was to make people think twice about miscegenation, let alone celebrating it. I can understand why inferior races like negroes would race mix, but orientals and whites who destroy their lineage should be ashamed.

    , @Talha
    I think if Brandon Lee would have lived on past his breakthrough role in The Crow - he would easily have been in competition for sexiest man a few years later as he matured.

    Just my take.

    Peace.
    , @Truth
    Well you know Twinx, I've never really heard anyone say their kids were ugly.
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  60. @Jaakko Raipala
    They're not the first to the party. Finnish nationalism already had racial eurasianists back in the 19th century:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turanism

    Since hybrid vigor had already been observed by scientists, Turanists had their own loony ideas about the benefits of European and Asian mixing. There was this whole racial interpretation of world history where bursts like Mongol and Turkic expansions were explained by hybridization events resulting in mixed Eurasian supermen with advantages over pure, inbred peoples like the Chinese and the Indo-Europeans.

    I think this complain fest is a result of the dominant liberal culture insisting that there are only two types of people, good conditioned liberals and comic book Nazis who hate everything that isn't white, and much of the anger sparked by right-wing white men with Asian spouses is anger over the obvious failure of the narrative. The narrative is that the "racists" hate other races for not looking white and much of that is projection since the narrative is crafted by women and homosexuals who actually do generally worship white looks.

    Off-topic:

    I discovered your comments one day and found them fascinating. You provide a great window on Finland.

    I showed your comment history to my father and brother.

    My family is of Swedish descent so we all have some interest in Finland. During the Winter War we adopted an orphan from Finland and a few of us volunteered for Finland.

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  61. @Twinkie
    That creep is as much of a Hapa representative as Nathan Adrian: https://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/reminder-that-nathan-adrian-is-actually-the-hottes?utm_term=.hoV17r6r1#.voD9zdnd9

    My oldest boy has been doing Judo and Jujitsu since he was a baby. He looks a lot like Alan Jouban: http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/alan-jouban

    And modeling scouts have contacted my wife and me repeatedly about our girls.

    There seems to be some general pattern where hapa boys of a wm/af couple have trouble, whereas offspring of of am/wf parents are fine.

    And in any case you are a race traitor and miscegenationist so go to hell.

    Main purpose of my comment was to make people think twice about miscegenation, let alone celebrating it. I can understand why inferior races like negroes would race mix, but orientals and whites who destroy their lineage should be ashamed.

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    The problem with your thesis is you're cherry picking. So you have evidence of defective self-loathing SJW hapas. You can blame that on interbreeding, but why is it that the defective hapas all have defective parents on both sides? The hapa who writes that longing for death website freely admits that his father was afraid to look people in the eye and crosses the street to avoid walking past larger men and had 0 social skills, and the mother's whole family was self-loathing and self destructive and prone to suicide. And of course they are a bunch of SJWs who accept no responsibility and blame the whole thing on society. You don't find it curious the AM/WF is supposedly better than the reverse? They've assimilated into diseased white SJWism that blames white males for their own mental dysfunction.

    Seriously read that website. That hapa's message isn't just that white guys are trash and no one wants them, but also asian men are worse than trash an no one wants them, and asian woman are trash and no one wants them (I notice the asian incel doesn't say anything about blonde women). He tells asian women that any white guy who even date them is automatically trash who can't do any better because no one would want them (that has to be blatantly toxic and abusive in a relationship, no wonder no one wants him! Systemic white supremacism is obviously the only explanation). The guy is a deranged loser trying to spread his misery because he blames everyone else for him being mentally unstable and self loathing.

    And again, by his own history, his white father was also self loathing and his chinese mother was also also self loathing (and killed herself).

    That defective white + defective asian = defective hapa proves nothing about miscegenation. It just proves apples fall off trees. I don't know what your politics is but look who you're siding with here, these people created r/althappa because they kicked everyone who was well adjusted out of their struggle session. This is a group that's self selected for mental illness probably on both sides of the tree.
    , @Duke of Qin
    It's assortive mating. A good fraction of Eurasian children of WMAF are the children of socially maladjusted white men and women looking for a green card. For those children sufficiently self aware, this is akin to getting hit in the face with the fact that your mother is a whore and your father a John every time they look in the mirror with an additional racial edge. It is a literal scarlet letter that they are burdened with their entire lives. Bourgeoisie whites are too well socialized to ever publicly admit such thoughts but everyone is thinking it even if it is unvocalized.

    AMWF general come from an entirely oppositional dynamic where their socio-economic status in their respective communities tend to be significantly higher than their reverse gendered pairings.

    I agree though, down with race mixing. I want to preserve the patrimony left by my forefathers and want my descendants to work for the restoration of the Han race. To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices, not create another caste of rootless cosmopolitans.
    , @Anonymous
    Nathan Adrian's father is white and his mother is Asian. There doesn't seem to be a general pattern at all. Other successful male hapa athletes with white fathers and Asian mothers include MLB players Tim Lincecum and Johnny Damon, and former NBA player Rex Walters. But they tend to go unnoticed as hapas because they have European surnames. If anything, there seem to be more successful male hapas with white fathers/Asian mothers if only because their population is larger than male hapas with Asian fathers/white mothers.
    , @Twinkie

    And in any case you are a race traitor and miscegenationist so go to hell.
     
    Ever so classy.

    Besides, treason as such requires a legal body, e.g. the United States of America, to which I have pledged loyalty previously. Since there is no requirement for loyalty to a "race" - however it is defined - the whole concept of a "race traitor" collapses (except in the mind of a person such as you).

    While race is a very useful scientific and social concept, legal transgressions such as treason requires violation of discrete boundaries, which race - good or bad - does not have.

    As for hell, only my God knows. If I did, unfortunately and tragically, go to hell, I reckon it won't be for "miscegenation," but enjoying and not regretting the killings of America's foreign enemies too much.
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  62. @utu
    (maddeningly, Indians are classified as “Asian” despite also obviously not being oriental)

    I think it is very good that Indians are still classified as Asians. Indians like to take advantage of the ambiguity that they are also some kind of Aryans or Caucasians just like Jews who take full advantage of the ambiguity of being White when it serves them and not being White when it benefits them always in detriment to Whites. The erosion of boundaries occurs in such regions of semantic confusion. At least Blacks or Chinese do not create this confusion.

    http://www.amerika.org/politics/italians-jews-irish-greeks-slavs-and-indians-the-dual-identity-of-near-whites/

    White itself is an ambiguous identity & the various subgroups need stronger cultural institutions & in group identity, IMO.

    Ie Norse, Germanic, Celtic etc should be ‘white’ but also look towards & revive elements of their past culture lost to enlightenment modernity।।

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  63. Gooks look like aliens & white bitches like men।।

    Russians get Europe, We the 16 Aryan Nations ie up to Anatolia।।

    Racially cleanse C Asia

    (((Colonize))) N Africa।।

    Maybe give cleared SS Africa to the Mongols।।

    Rodnovers have agreed to this or we’re just gonna Kidnap Chuvash & Osettian bitches in WW3।।Maybe a couple Chechens :)

    Tatar, Circassian, Ingush

    Edit – Japanese should probably get E Asia

    Revive Majapahit

    Tsurushi might cure Hoholism

    Hail Perun

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  64. @Thorfinnsson

    The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich[...]are all married to women of Asian descent.
     
    Shauna Cernovich is Persian. She is only "Asian" in that Iran is located on the continent of Asia. Racially, Persians are caucasoids. They're just not "white" owing to being of non-European origin.

    https://cmgstatesmanpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/mikeandshauna.jpg?w=492&h=369

    In fact, even the US Census categorizes Iranians as "white" (maddeningly, Indians are classified as "Asian" despite also obviously not being oriental).

    Cernovich is also not a white advocate and has more in common with Sloppy Steve than Dick Spencer.

    This sort of profound ignorance in the prestige media is extremely irritating.

    Racially, Persians are caucasoids

    True. And “Iran” is descended from the old Persian word meaning “noble, of good family – Aryan.

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  65. @Twinkie
    That creep is as much of a Hapa representative as Nathan Adrian: https://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/reminder-that-nathan-adrian-is-actually-the-hottes?utm_term=.hoV17r6r1#.voD9zdnd9

    My oldest boy has been doing Judo and Jujitsu since he was a baby. He looks a lot like Alan Jouban: http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/alan-jouban

    And modeling scouts have contacted my wife and me repeatedly about our girls.

    I think if Brandon Lee would have lived on past his breakthrough role in The Crow – he would easily have been in competition for sexiest man a few years later as he matured.

    Just my take.

    Peace.

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  66. @Thorfinnsson
    There seems to be some general pattern where hapa boys of a wm/af couple have trouble, whereas offspring of of am/wf parents are fine.

    And in any case you are a race traitor and miscegenationist so go to hell.

    Main purpose of my comment was to make people think twice about miscegenation, let alone celebrating it. I can understand why inferior races like negroes would race mix, but orientals and whites who destroy their lineage should be ashamed.

    The problem with your thesis is you’re cherry picking. So you have evidence of defective self-loathing SJW hapas. You can blame that on interbreeding, but why is it that the defective hapas all have defective parents on both sides? The hapa who writes that longing for death website freely admits that his father was afraid to look people in the eye and crosses the street to avoid walking past larger men and had 0 social skills, and the mother’s whole family was self-loathing and self destructive and prone to suicide. And of course they are a bunch of SJWs who accept no responsibility and blame the whole thing on society. You don’t find it curious the AM/WF is supposedly better than the reverse? They’ve assimilated into diseased white SJWism that blames white males for their own mental dysfunction.

    Seriously read that website. That hapa’s message isn’t just that white guys are trash and no one wants them, but also asian men are worse than trash an no one wants them, and asian woman are trash and no one wants them (I notice the asian incel doesn’t say anything about blonde women). He tells asian women that any white guy who even date them is automatically trash who can’t do any better because no one would want them (that has to be blatantly toxic and abusive in a relationship, no wonder no one wants him! Systemic white supremacism is obviously the only explanation). The guy is a deranged loser trying to spread his misery because he blames everyone else for him being mentally unstable and self loathing.

    And again, by his own history, his white father was also self loathing and his chinese mother was also also self loathing (and killed herself).

    That defective white + defective asian = defective hapa proves nothing about miscegenation. It just proves apples fall off trees. I don’t know what your politics is but look who you’re siding with here, these people created r/althappa because they kicked everyone who was well adjusted out of their struggle session. This is a group that’s self selected for mental illness probably on both sides of the tree.

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    You can blame that on interbreeding, but why is it that the defective hapas all have defective parents on both sides?
     
    Excellent points.

    Peace.
    , @Anonymous
    You're right that it's cherry picking. You could easily find a lot more examples of self-loathing and mentally defective and deranged whites, especially white SJWs, on the internet. Reddit, Tumblr, Twitter, etc., are full of them.

    I don't see any indication that hapas are less successful or more maladjusted than whites, especially considering that whites these days are increasingly afflicted with opiate and other drug and alcohol problems, rising mortality rates, declining economic prospects, etc. In my experience, hapas seem to be better off than the white mean. I don't think this is due to anything special about the white-Asian pairing, but probably just due to assortative mating. Most white-Asian pairings are between middle/upper-middle class people who meet in college and professional environments. The GI-war bride pairing is much less common these days.

    The white-Asian pairing is the most common interracial pairing, so naturally racialists have an incentive to portray them negatively. That's understandable, but that doesn't make what they say about them true.
    , @Chet Bradley
    Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.
    , @Twinkie

    That defective white + defective asian = defective hapa proves nothing about miscegenation.
     
    Yes. Or it could just be that one guy is just mentally ill despite "normal" genes. Either way, it proves nothing.

    My children (half-white/half-East Asian) are all around 80-95 percentile in height for their respective ages, based on the white American chart. It shouldn't surprise anyone, then, that I am around 6'2" and my wife is 5'10".

    It doesn't mean all Hapas are tall, of course... just the ones with tall parents/genes + good nutrition.
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  67. @Thorfinnsson
    There seems to be some general pattern where hapa boys of a wm/af couple have trouble, whereas offspring of of am/wf parents are fine.

    And in any case you are a race traitor and miscegenationist so go to hell.

    Main purpose of my comment was to make people think twice about miscegenation, let alone celebrating it. I can understand why inferior races like negroes would race mix, but orientals and whites who destroy their lineage should be ashamed.

    It’s assortive mating. A good fraction of Eurasian children of WMAF are the children of socially maladjusted white men and women looking for a green card. For those children sufficiently self aware, this is akin to getting hit in the face with the fact that your mother is a whore and your father a John every time they look in the mirror with an additional racial edge. It is a literal scarlet letter that they are burdened with their entire lives. Bourgeoisie whites are too well socialized to ever publicly admit such thoughts but everyone is thinking it even if it is unvocalized.

    AMWF general come from an entirely oppositional dynamic where their socio-economic status in their respective communities tend to be significantly higher than their reverse gendered pairings.

    I agree though, down with race mixing. I want to preserve the patrimony left by my forefathers and want my descendants to work for the restoration of the Han race. To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices, not create another caste of rootless cosmopolitans.

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    Hey Duke,

    restoration of the Han race
     
    Uh...the only thing getting in the way of Chinese procreation were Chinese policies - if I recall correctly. The Han are the largest (mostly uniform) ethno-linguistic group on the planet - bar none. I don't think there is even a close competitor.

    To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices
     
    Aw dang - Opium Wars in reverse - force Britain to open up its markets to cheap meth. Take that suckas!!

    Peace.
    , @German_reader

    To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices
     
    You mean like the Opium wars or the intervention against the Boxers?
    I once had a discussion on the Daily Telegraph's comments section with a self-declared Chinese nationalist from Singapore...he insisted very strongly that one day Britain would have to apologize for the Opium wars and pay at least symbolic compensation (he was quite pro-German by contrast...I probably shouldn't have told him of Germany's role in the anti-Boxer intervention)...also expressed a disturbing belief in the possibility of bioweapons targeting non-Chinese and the willingness of diaspora Chinese to act as fifth-columnists.
    Are such sentiments common among Chinese people?
    , @Twinkie

    It’s assortive mating. A good fraction of Eurasian children of WMAF are the children of socially maladjusted white men and women looking for a green card...

    AMWF general come from an entirely oppositional dynamic where their socio-economic status in their respective communities tend to be significantly higher than their reverse gendered pairings.
     
    You are right, of course. The white male and Asian female pairings, especially among the older generations, include a large fraction of poorly matched couples of disparate backgrounds. Many of those were products of the American military presence in Asia.

    Today, however, even WMAF pairings are typically of the middle class variety between American-born partners. There is really a pretty noticeable generational difference in these pairings.

    As you pointed out, Asian male and white female couples, on the other hand, have been more "assortative" even in the past. My wife and I have been married a quarter century now, and even back then, our friends, families, and relatives all thought we were a very good match (same university, both high level athletes, both with doctorates, a very similar sense of absurdist humor, and both from highly traditional, Christian families).
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  68. @Lars Porsena
    The problem with your thesis is you're cherry picking. So you have evidence of defective self-loathing SJW hapas. You can blame that on interbreeding, but why is it that the defective hapas all have defective parents on both sides? The hapa who writes that longing for death website freely admits that his father was afraid to look people in the eye and crosses the street to avoid walking past larger men and had 0 social skills, and the mother's whole family was self-loathing and self destructive and prone to suicide. And of course they are a bunch of SJWs who accept no responsibility and blame the whole thing on society. You don't find it curious the AM/WF is supposedly better than the reverse? They've assimilated into diseased white SJWism that blames white males for their own mental dysfunction.

    Seriously read that website. That hapa's message isn't just that white guys are trash and no one wants them, but also asian men are worse than trash an no one wants them, and asian woman are trash and no one wants them (I notice the asian incel doesn't say anything about blonde women). He tells asian women that any white guy who even date them is automatically trash who can't do any better because no one would want them (that has to be blatantly toxic and abusive in a relationship, no wonder no one wants him! Systemic white supremacism is obviously the only explanation). The guy is a deranged loser trying to spread his misery because he blames everyone else for him being mentally unstable and self loathing.

    And again, by his own history, his white father was also self loathing and his chinese mother was also also self loathing (and killed herself).

    That defective white + defective asian = defective hapa proves nothing about miscegenation. It just proves apples fall off trees. I don't know what your politics is but look who you're siding with here, these people created r/althappa because they kicked everyone who was well adjusted out of their struggle session. This is a group that's self selected for mental illness probably on both sides of the tree.

    You can blame that on interbreeding, but why is it that the defective hapas all have defective parents on both sides?

    Excellent points.

    Peace.

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  69. @Duke of Qin
    It's assortive mating. A good fraction of Eurasian children of WMAF are the children of socially maladjusted white men and women looking for a green card. For those children sufficiently self aware, this is akin to getting hit in the face with the fact that your mother is a whore and your father a John every time they look in the mirror with an additional racial edge. It is a literal scarlet letter that they are burdened with their entire lives. Bourgeoisie whites are too well socialized to ever publicly admit such thoughts but everyone is thinking it even if it is unvocalized.

    AMWF general come from an entirely oppositional dynamic where their socio-economic status in their respective communities tend to be significantly higher than their reverse gendered pairings.

    I agree though, down with race mixing. I want to preserve the patrimony left by my forefathers and want my descendants to work for the restoration of the Han race. To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices, not create another caste of rootless cosmopolitans.

    Hey Duke,

    restoration of the Han race

    Uh…the only thing getting in the way of Chinese procreation were Chinese policies – if I recall correctly. The Han are the largest (mostly uniform) ethno-linguistic group on the planet – bar none. I don’t think there is even a close competitor.

    To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices

    Aw dang – Opium Wars in reverse – force Britain to open up its markets to cheap meth. Take that suckas!!

    Peace.

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    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It's just that given the option I'd rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.
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  70. @Talha
    Hey Duke,

    restoration of the Han race
     
    Uh...the only thing getting in the way of Chinese procreation were Chinese policies - if I recall correctly. The Han are the largest (mostly uniform) ethno-linguistic group on the planet - bar none. I don't think there is even a close competitor.

    To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices
     
    Aw dang - Opium Wars in reverse - force Britain to open up its markets to cheap meth. Take that suckas!!

    Peace.

    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It’s just that given the option I’d rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.

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    Talha is Pakistani
    , @Daniel Chieh

    My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist.
     
    Why yes, isolation and chauvinism worked so well last time. I'm sure another eternal Ming dynasty would be just what is needed to kick off that innovative spark.
    , @Singh
    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।
    , @Talha
    Hey Duke,

    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk.
     
    Hmmm - OK - though I'm not a Turk. What exactly did the Muslim world do to you - I mean other than halt Westward Chinese expansion at the Battle of Talas. Sure some Muslim empires clashed with Chines empires - but hey, that's what empires do. No need to sulk over it - let's turn over a new leaf, right?

    lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad
     
    I mean, OK, I guess everyone's gotta have dreams. But you know, if you want to get rid of international protocols and come after the Muslims. Well - you know where we are - we don't mind a good scrap once in a while. Pro-tip: I'd avoid coming through Afghanistan because...well, you know.

    Peace.
    , @Alden
    So you don’t like the Mongolians , central Asians and Turks who continually invaded China?

    Or is it some other group, Manchurians? Do tell, I’m interested
    , @Alden
    Qin , that’s a famous name going way, way back. Aren’t they the founders of China as China? Duke of Qin is familiar to me. Were they some warlords who became Emperors?
    , @Kamran
    Chinks vs T*rks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Come buy your tickets ladies and gentlemen!!!

    Best seats in the house!!
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  71. @Duke of Qin
    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It's just that given the option I'd rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.

    Talha is Pakistani

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    Talha is Pakistani

    Some of us don't hold that against him.
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  72. In LIFE’s words, “As the troop transport General M. M. Patrick pulled into Seattle’s harbor, the band on the dock loudly struck up Here Comes the Bride.”
    Crowds cheered excitedly, whistles tooted. Seattle and the U.S. were welcoming the first Korean war bride to arrive in America, Mrs. Johnie Morgan, home with her sergeant husband.

    Before the transport docked in Seattle a little boat pulled alongside and an official greeter climbed aboard to give Blue a $100 savings bond — a homecoming gift from the city of Seattle. When the couple came ashore, Johnie’s mother rushed up to kiss Blue. “I’m so glad you’re here,” she said.

    http://time.com/3576662/americas-first-korean-war-bride-comes-home/

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  73. @Greasy William
    Talha is Pakistani

    Talha is Pakistani

    Some of us don’t hold that against him.

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    Actually I consider myself an American - from a nationality perspective. Sure from Pakistani background, but I left my flag back in Karachi - as I suggest all who come here should.

    Peace.
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  74. @Duke of Qin
    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It's just that given the option I'd rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.

    My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist.

    Why yes, isolation and chauvinism worked so well last time. I’m sure another eternal Ming dynasty would be just what is needed to kick off that innovative spark.

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    In case you didn't notice, the West and the rest of the world isn't going anywhere except circling down the drain. If racial chauvinism and isolationism can prevent the pozz from spreading into China then it's a policy worth taking. What is there now left to emulate from the West besides demotist dysfunction?
    , @Talha
    If I remember my Chinese history correctly - the ones the Chinese have to worry most about are each other - that region is known for very, very record-setting blood-lettings in civil wars and what not:
    https://list25.com/25-deadliest-wars-in-human-history

    Given that, I'd be a bit cautious - as you are wisely alluding to - but hey you can't conquer the world without cracking a few of your own people's skulls right? Especially those wimps that don't want to go along. Am I right?

    Peace.
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  75. @Duke of Qin
    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It's just that given the option I'd rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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  76. @Daniel Chieh

    My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist.
     
    Why yes, isolation and chauvinism worked so well last time. I'm sure another eternal Ming dynasty would be just what is needed to kick off that innovative spark.

    In case you didn’t notice, the West and the rest of the world isn’t going anywhere except circling down the drain. If racial chauvinism and isolationism can prevent the pozz from spreading into China then it’s a policy worth taking. What is there now left to emulate from the West besides demotist dysfunction?

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    The West still leads in science and innovation, regardless of the number of transsexuals being paraded.

    All forms of extremism are ultimately self-defeating, and in this case there is a very clear parallel of the Neoconfucian faction winning and stagnating China into a mindset so broken that it took a Cultural Revolution to maybe undo the damage. That must never be allowed to happen again, even if it means that women's feet are going to be unbound.
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  77. @Duke of Qin
    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It's just that given the option I'd rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.

    Hey Duke,

    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk.

    Hmmm – OK – though I’m not a Turk. What exactly did the Muslim world do to you – I mean other than halt Westward Chinese expansion at the Battle of Talas. Sure some Muslim empires clashed with Chines empires – but hey, that’s what empires do. No need to sulk over it – let’s turn over a new leaf, right?

    lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad

    I mean, OK, I guess everyone’s gotta have dreams. But you know, if you want to get rid of international protocols and come after the Muslims. Well – you know where we are – we don’t mind a good scrap once in a while. Pro-tip: I’d avoid coming through Afghanistan because…well, you know.

    Peace.

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    Muslims? Who said anything about Muslims? I mistook you for a Turk. You are mistaking my animus for the Xiongnu and their descendants as somehow even relating to Muslims. I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the Arabs of antiquity were simply smellier and stupider variants of pastoralist raiders and many Muslims have adopted the trappings of their erstwhile conquerors styling themselves this and that Khan.
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  78. @iffen
    Talha is Pakistani

    Some of us don't hold that against him.

    Actually I consider myself an American – from a nationality perspective. Sure from Pakistani background, but I left my flag back in Karachi – as I suggest all who come here should.

    Peace.

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    American may be your nationality, but your ethnicity is Pakistani. It is very rude to mislabel someone's background when attacking them with an ethnic slur.
    , @neutral
    Just because you consider yourself something does not make you that. If you are from Pakistan, that makes you a Pakistani.
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  79. @Daniel Chieh

    My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist.
     
    Why yes, isolation and chauvinism worked so well last time. I'm sure another eternal Ming dynasty would be just what is needed to kick off that innovative spark.

    If I remember my Chinese history correctly – the ones the Chinese have to worry most about are each other – that region is known for very, very record-setting blood-lettings in civil wars and what not:

    https://list25.com/25-deadliest-wars-in-human-history

    Given that, I’d be a bit cautious – as you are wisely alluding to – but hey you can’t conquer the world without cracking a few of your own people’s skulls right? Especially those wimps that don’t want to go along. Am I right?

    Peace.

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    A highly urbanized population living a Malthusian existence has its downfalls; one of them being that disruptive wars which damage the infrastructure of food, etc cause disproportionate harm from plague and starvation.
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  80. @Talha
    Hey Duke,

    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk.
     
    Hmmm - OK - though I'm not a Turk. What exactly did the Muslim world do to you - I mean other than halt Westward Chinese expansion at the Battle of Talas. Sure some Muslim empires clashed with Chines empires - but hey, that's what empires do. No need to sulk over it - let's turn over a new leaf, right?

    lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad
     
    I mean, OK, I guess everyone's gotta have dreams. But you know, if you want to get rid of international protocols and come after the Muslims. Well - you know where we are - we don't mind a good scrap once in a while. Pro-tip: I'd avoid coming through Afghanistan because...well, you know.

    Peace.

    Muslims? Who said anything about Muslims? I mistook you for a Turk. You are mistaking my animus for the Xiongnu and their descendants as somehow even relating to Muslims. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since the Arabs of antiquity were simply smellier and stupider variants of pastoralist raiders and many Muslims have adopted the trappings of their erstwhile conquerors styling themselves this and that Khan.

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    erstwhile conquerors styling themselves this and that Khan
     
    Yeah - it's true, the Mongols conquered much of the Muslim world, but then they became Muslim and got absorbed in the local population so it's all good.

    I mistook you for a Turk
     
    Oh OK - cool - no problems, carry on with your grand schemes for revenge.

    The Ummah will be over here trying to mind our own business - I mean unless you go after the Turks...because, well - you know - brotherhood 'n stuff.

    Peace.
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  81. @Duke of Qin
    Muslims? Who said anything about Muslims? I mistook you for a Turk. You are mistaking my animus for the Xiongnu and their descendants as somehow even relating to Muslims. I guess I shouldn't be surprised since the Arabs of antiquity were simply smellier and stupider variants of pastoralist raiders and many Muslims have adopted the trappings of their erstwhile conquerors styling themselves this and that Khan.

    erstwhile conquerors styling themselves this and that Khan

    Yeah – it’s true, the Mongols conquered much of the Muslim world, but then they became Muslim and got absorbed in the local population so it’s all good.

    I mistook you for a Turk

    Oh OK – cool – no problems, carry on with your grand schemes for revenge.

    The Ummah will be over here trying to mind our own business – I mean unless you go after the Turks…because, well – you know – brotherhood ‘n stuff.

    Peace.

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    unless you go after the Turks…because, well – you know – brotherhood ‘n stuff.

    Vats dis? Dual loyalty?
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  82. @Talha

    erstwhile conquerors styling themselves this and that Khan
     
    Yeah - it's true, the Mongols conquered much of the Muslim world, but then they became Muslim and got absorbed in the local population so it's all good.

    I mistook you for a Turk
     
    Oh OK - cool - no problems, carry on with your grand schemes for revenge.

    The Ummah will be over here trying to mind our own business - I mean unless you go after the Turks...because, well - you know - brotherhood 'n stuff.

    Peace.

    unless you go after the Turks…because, well – you know – brotherhood ‘n stuff.

    Vats dis? Dual loyalty?

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    No - I wasn't speaking on behalf of the US.

    I was talking about the Ummah:
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1372702

    The relationship is quite deep-rooted from that area. Indo-Pak Muslims were very much pro-Ottoman and the Mughals even married with them.

    Peace.

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  83. @Duke of Qin
    In case you didn't notice, the West and the rest of the world isn't going anywhere except circling down the drain. If racial chauvinism and isolationism can prevent the pozz from spreading into China then it's a policy worth taking. What is there now left to emulate from the West besides demotist dysfunction?

    The West still leads in science and innovation, regardless of the number of transsexuals being paraded.

    All forms of extremism are ultimately self-defeating, and in this case there is a very clear parallel of the Neoconfucian faction winning and stagnating China into a mindset so broken that it took a Cultural Revolution to maybe undo the damage. That must never be allowed to happen again, even if it means that women’s feet are going to be unbound.

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    Hey Daniel Chieh,

    All forms of extremism are ultimately self-defeating
     
    Should be written in stone with gold letters...

    Peace.
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  84. @Duke of Qin
    It's assortive mating. A good fraction of Eurasian children of WMAF are the children of socially maladjusted white men and women looking for a green card. For those children sufficiently self aware, this is akin to getting hit in the face with the fact that your mother is a whore and your father a John every time they look in the mirror with an additional racial edge. It is a literal scarlet letter that they are burdened with their entire lives. Bourgeoisie whites are too well socialized to ever publicly admit such thoughts but everyone is thinking it even if it is unvocalized.

    AMWF general come from an entirely oppositional dynamic where their socio-economic status in their respective communities tend to be significantly higher than their reverse gendered pairings.

    I agree though, down with race mixing. I want to preserve the patrimony left by my forefathers and want my descendants to work for the restoration of the Han race. To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices, not create another caste of rootless cosmopolitans.

    To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices

    You mean like the Opium wars or the intervention against the Boxers?
    I once had a discussion on the Daily Telegraph’s comments section with a self-declared Chinese nationalist from Singapore…he insisted very strongly that one day Britain would have to apologize for the Opium wars and pay at least symbolic compensation (he was quite pro-German by contrast…I probably shouldn’t have told him of Germany’s role in the anti-Boxer intervention)…also expressed a disturbing belief in the possibility of bioweapons targeting non-Chinese and the willingness of diaspora Chinese to act as fifth-columnists.
    Are such sentiments common among Chinese people?

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    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common, as is being pro-German due to Sino-German cooperation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_1926%E2%80%931941

    Its not really per se about the Boxers. Its the overall humiliation experienced. Chinese forces were curbstomped ridiculously beyond their imagination by the British, and there were various other forms of indignities that for one reason or another, the Germans never indulged in.

    The Germans also helped create the popular beer Tsingtao which is hard not to appreciate.Silly, no? But beer has significant soft cultural power.

    , @Duke of Qin
    If by sentiments you mean getting back at Whitey? Then yes, among a certain sector of nationalist sentiment, however this isn't exactly what I meant or perhaps more accurately isn't entirely what I meant.

    The opium wars as I said were a farce and inconsequential, the boxer rebellion even more so. A mere superstitious peasant rebellion driven by drought and hatred of Christian converts thought to have caused it that disappeared the day the rains arrived and their Christians neighbors burnt out. My enmity for the sassanachs stems from their assistance render to the Qing government during the Taiping Rebellion.

    In cannonical Chinese story as tought by both the Communists and West is that the opium wars are the beginning China's so-called century of humiliation. This Whig history (read nonsense) simply isn't true. China's century of humiliation began much earlier and it was actually already two centuries. The problem was China simply wasn't sovereign at the time, the Qing government being an illegitimate regime of scheming barbarian scavengers who had by circumstance and race treason seized the throne for themselves and enslaved the Chinese race, the Han race (This is literally true as the institution of slavery was reintroduced by the Qing and Qing courtiers had to refer to themselves in the presence of their dog emperor as "Your slave" rather than "Your minister").

    There are many similarities between the simultaneous collapse of the Ming and the Thirty Years war, chiefly that the main beneficiaries of the internal warfare, economic collapse, and crazed anaptists, both happened to be foreigners. Sweden primarily in Germany's case and the Manchu scum in the case of China. In both cases, basically the fighting had rather than leading to decisive advantage lead to general chaos and an intense merciless power struggle between many competing groups. A more cohesive new force joined the fighting at an opportune time and was able to act as a loadstone to gather to it otherwise disorganized forces around and eventually press their advantage. This was basically how tiny Sweden managed to become overlord of half of Germany and built a sizable empire (until she lost to the Russians) and how the Manchu were able to attract and coalesce various Ming remnant forces after rebels had sacked Beijing leaving the legitimate emperor dead.

    Rather than the standard history of China having stagnated, it was regressed. The standard of living declined dramatically from the mid 17th century to the mid 19th century when the century of humiliation had began. In terms of per capita grain availabily, land, wages, etc Manchu misrule of China had cut incomes by a third. Even worse than the loss of wealth was the loss of purpose as the Manchu's in order to justify their heathen barbarian rule did irreparable damage to Chinese society via their literary inquisitions. 19th century China had been scarred like the areas of Southeastern Europe that had fallen to barbarian Ottoman Islamic rule and most Europeans should be familiar with how those nations faired compared to those that had safely been kept safe under the Austrian Catholic aegis. The damage that the Qing Manchu barbarians inflicted on China vastly overshadows what little the British let alone what the French and Germans had done (Basically nothing except inflate Wilhelm's vainglorious pretentions at home in Europe). The Great Sin of the British however was their support of the Qing court during the Taiping rebellion which was on course to topple Manchu rule. Instead British support aided the barbarian usurpers and let the decrepit Qing survive long past its smell date and it's rotting and clinging presence set up China's political troubles during the early Republic by fragmenting authority to regional elites.

    But of course all of this is generally not the standard interpretation of the period and instead Whig history prevails both in China and abroad so popular resentment is incorrectly directed at the British in particular (thoroughly deserved) and Westerners in general instead of at the illegitimate barbarians misrulers of China herself. Chinese history as it was understood during the Republican period actually more closely mirrors my understanding but the Communists marxist interpretation of history has washed all that away.
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  85. @Talha
    Actually I consider myself an American - from a nationality perspective. Sure from Pakistani background, but I left my flag back in Karachi - as I suggest all who come here should.

    Peace.

    American may be your nationality, but your ethnicity is Pakistani. It is very rude to mislabel someone’s background when attacking them with an ethnic slur.

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    Hey Greasy,

    but your ethnicity is Pakistani
     
    I appreciate your defense, but I think this is inaccurate. Pakistan is a nationality to which I no longer belong.

    Ethnicity goes deeper - so for instance, Pakistan is an amalgam of many ethno-linguistic groups; Punjabis, Balochis, Afghans, Sindhis, etc.

    So, if I were a Punjabi, then yes - I would remain a Punjabi no matter where I settled because that identity is in my blood - makes sense?

    To be honest, I don't really get riled up by ethnic slurs - it just seems juvenile and silly to me.

    Peace.
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  86. @iffen
    unless you go after the Turks…because, well – you know – brotherhood ‘n stuff.

    Vats dis? Dual loyalty?

    No – I wasn’t speaking on behalf of the US.

    I was talking about the Ummah:

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1372702

    The relationship is quite deep-rooted from that area. Indo-Pak Muslims were very much pro-Ottoman and the Mughals even married with them.

    Peace.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3eTSbC3neA

    Is You Is or Is You Ain’t My Constituency?

    Are you a member of the Ummah?

    Don't leave us hanging, what's your ethnicity?

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  87. @Daniel Chieh
    The West still leads in science and innovation, regardless of the number of transsexuals being paraded.

    All forms of extremism are ultimately self-defeating, and in this case there is a very clear parallel of the Neoconfucian faction winning and stagnating China into a mindset so broken that it took a Cultural Revolution to maybe undo the damage. That must never be allowed to happen again, even if it means that women's feet are going to be unbound.

    Hey Daniel Chieh,

    All forms of extremism are ultimately self-defeating

    Should be written in stone with gold letters…

    Peace.

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  88. @German_reader

    To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices
     
    You mean like the Opium wars or the intervention against the Boxers?
    I once had a discussion on the Daily Telegraph's comments section with a self-declared Chinese nationalist from Singapore...he insisted very strongly that one day Britain would have to apologize for the Opium wars and pay at least symbolic compensation (he was quite pro-German by contrast...I probably shouldn't have told him of Germany's role in the anti-Boxer intervention)...also expressed a disturbing belief in the possibility of bioweapons targeting non-Chinese and the willingness of diaspora Chinese to act as fifth-columnists.
    Are such sentiments common among Chinese people?

    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common, as is being pro-German due to Sino-German cooperation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_1926%E2%80%931941

    Its not really per se about the Boxers. Its the overall humiliation experienced. Chinese forces were curbstomped ridiculously beyond their imagination by the British, and there were various other forms of indignities that for one reason or another, the Germans never indulged in.

    The Germans also helped create the popular beer Tsingtao which is hard not to appreciate.Silly, no? But beer has significant soft cultural power.

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    Yes, I understand...Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world (Iranians supposedly are also obsessed with British perfidy)...probably the least of worries for British people nowadays though.
    , @Lars Porsena
    I'm assuming it's a knockoff of a Czech beer, right?
    , @dfordoom

    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common
     
    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common among lots of people. My grandfather hated the guts of the British until his dying day. As an Australian he fought the Turks on behalf of the British in WW1. He came back to Australia thinking the Turks were pretty OK people but my God he hated the British.

    Among Australians of the WW2 generation anti-British hatred was pretty common too.

    And even today you think twice about mentioning Winston Churchill to an Australian.

    It's almost as if the aim of British foreign policy for the past couple of centuries has been to make other people hate them.
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  89. @Greasy William
    American may be your nationality, but your ethnicity is Pakistani. It is very rude to mislabel someone's background when attacking them with an ethnic slur.

    Hey Greasy,

    but your ethnicity is Pakistani

    I appreciate your defense, but I think this is inaccurate. Pakistan is a nationality to which I no longer belong.

    Ethnicity goes deeper – so for instance, Pakistan is an amalgam of many ethno-linguistic groups; Punjabis, Balochis, Afghans, Sindhis, etc.

    So, if I were a Punjabi, then yes – I would remain a Punjabi no matter where I settled because that identity is in my blood – makes sense?

    To be honest, I don’t really get riled up by ethnic slurs – it just seems juvenile and silly to me.

    Peace.

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    Long story but last year a Pakistani couple lived at my house for a few months. The wife could be kind of a cunt but made up for it with her Pakistani cooking.

    They both told me that nobody in Pakistan gives a shit about the ethnic divisions in the country. Are you saying they were wrong?
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  90. @Daniel Chieh
    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common, as is being pro-German due to Sino-German cooperation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_1926%E2%80%931941

    Its not really per se about the Boxers. Its the overall humiliation experienced. Chinese forces were curbstomped ridiculously beyond their imagination by the British, and there were various other forms of indignities that for one reason or another, the Germans never indulged in.

    The Germans also helped create the popular beer Tsingtao which is hard not to appreciate.Silly, no? But beer has significant soft cultural power.

    Yes, I understand…Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world (Iranians supposedly are also obsessed with British perfidy)…probably the least of worries for British people nowadays though.

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    Hey G_R,

    Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world
     
    It'll eventually pass with time - I mean who really has a beef with Mongols (other than Mongolian Beef) nowadays?

    The Brits just had the latest in a long string of massive empires. I mean they literally rolled it back within living memory of some of my relatives. Eventually it'll go away just like Americans forgave them for burning down a bunch of Washington DC.

    Peace.
    , @melanf

    Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world
     
    I was struck by the book Tai-Pan written by Englishman James Clavell (1966). In this novel, the main positive hero - Victorian English Superman drug dealer who sells opium to the Chinese, and organizes the opium war. All this (according to the novel) is a blessing for the Chinese people and is done in order to bring to the China freedom and prosperity. (in the novel it is stated in plain text). This book is an absolute champion at the complete lack of shame among all known to me books.
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  91. @Talha
    If I remember my Chinese history correctly - the ones the Chinese have to worry most about are each other - that region is known for very, very record-setting blood-lettings in civil wars and what not:
    https://list25.com/25-deadliest-wars-in-human-history

    Given that, I'd be a bit cautious - as you are wisely alluding to - but hey you can't conquer the world without cracking a few of your own people's skulls right? Especially those wimps that don't want to go along. Am I right?

    Peace.

    A highly urbanized population living a Malthusian existence has its downfalls; one of them being that disruptive wars which damage the infrastructure of food, etc cause disproportionate harm from plague and starvation.

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  92. @Talha
    No - I wasn't speaking on behalf of the US.

    I was talking about the Ummah:
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1372702

    The relationship is quite deep-rooted from that area. Indo-Pak Muslims were very much pro-Ottoman and the Mughals even married with them.

    Peace.

    Is You Is or Is You Ain’t My Constituency?

    Are you a member of the Ummah?

    Don’t leave us hanging, what’s your ethnicity?

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    Hey iffen,

    Are you a member of the Ummah?
     
    Yes - anyone who is Muslim is a member of the Ummah (Ahl al-Qiblah, etc.) - includes all the various nationalities; Libyans, Moroccans, Syrians, Malaysians, etc.

    what’s your ethnicity?
     
    I'm a muhajir - we moved from India. In India, our family are generic mutts from all over the place*, but with a pedigree since we are Syeds (descended from the Prophetic line). And now my kids are all mixed up, but they get to keep the Syed pedigree. Apparently, their Swedish side consists of original Germans that settled in Norway then moved into Sweden - their family was historically warriors and mercenaries.

    Peace.

    *Note: Original family hails from Uttar Pradesh which is home to the Hindustani folk in the Gangetic plain; which is about as generic as one can get:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_people

    , @Talha
    Also - off-topic - but I have no idea what I did to bring the heat on me on that other thread. I am definitely not going to debate things in deference to instructions by my teachers, but I did notice a couple of things...
    1) The articulation of Sunni positions is grossly inaccurate (which I think most people can tell just by the tone) which leads to 2...
    2) If they have such a questionable grasp on Sunni positions, I don't even know whether I can assume the Shiah positions they are positing are even accurate. I haven't studied Shiah theology/jurisprudence much so I simply don't know, but much of what's being stated - from a creedal perspective - sounds a lot like recycled and modified old-school Mutazilite stuff.

    I'm going to keep my head down and just watch the fireworks fly... :)

    Peace.
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  93. @German_reader
    Yes, I understand...Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world (Iranians supposedly are also obsessed with British perfidy)...probably the least of worries for British people nowadays though.

    Hey G_R,

    Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world

    It’ll eventually pass with time – I mean who really has a beef with Mongols (other than Mongolian Beef) nowadays?

    The Brits just had the latest in a long string of massive empires. I mean they literally rolled it back within living memory of some of my relatives. Eventually it’ll go away just like Americans forgave them for burning down a bunch of Washington DC.

    Peace.

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    like Americans forgave them for burning down a bunch of Washington DC

    Just like the Brits, never around when you really need them.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Hell, we recently sent them a letter asking them to do it again.
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  94. @German_reader
    Yes, I understand...Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world (Iranians supposedly are also obsessed with British perfidy)...probably the least of worries for British people nowadays though.

    Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world

    I was struck by the book Tai-Pan written by Englishman James Clavell (1966). In this novel, the main positive hero – Victorian English Superman drug dealer who sells opium to the Chinese, and organizes the opium war. All this (according to the novel) is a blessing for the Chinese people and is done in order to bring to the China freedom and prosperity. (in the novel it is stated in plain text). This book is an absolute champion at the complete lack of shame among all known to me books.

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  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    There seems to be some general pattern where hapa boys of a wm/af couple have trouble, whereas offspring of of am/wf parents are fine.

    And in any case you are a race traitor and miscegenationist so go to hell.

    Main purpose of my comment was to make people think twice about miscegenation, let alone celebrating it. I can understand why inferior races like negroes would race mix, but orientals and whites who destroy their lineage should be ashamed.

    Nathan Adrian’s father is white and his mother is Asian. There doesn’t seem to be a general pattern at all. Other successful male hapa athletes with white fathers and Asian mothers include MLB players Tim Lincecum and Johnny Damon, and former NBA player Rex Walters. But they tend to go unnoticed as hapas because they have European surnames. If anything, there seem to be more successful male hapas with white fathers/Asian mothers if only because their population is larger than male hapas with Asian fathers/white mothers.

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  96. @iffen
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3eTSbC3neA

    Is You Is or Is You Ain’t My Constituency?

    Are you a member of the Ummah?

    Don't leave us hanging, what's your ethnicity?

    Hey iffen,

    Are you a member of the Ummah?

    Yes – anyone who is Muslim is a member of the Ummah (Ahl al-Qiblah, etc.) – includes all the various nationalities; Libyans, Moroccans, Syrians, Malaysians, etc.

    what’s your ethnicity?

    I’m a muhajir – we moved from India. In India, our family are generic mutts from all over the place*, but with a pedigree since we are Syeds (descended from the Prophetic line). And now my kids are all mixed up, but they get to keep the Syed pedigree. Apparently, their Swedish side consists of original Germans that settled in Norway then moved into Sweden – their family was historically warriors and mercenaries.

    Peace.

    *Note: Original family hails from Uttar Pradesh which is home to the Hindustani folk in the Gangetic plain; which is about as generic as one can get:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_people

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  97. @Talha
    Hey Greasy,

    but your ethnicity is Pakistani
     
    I appreciate your defense, but I think this is inaccurate. Pakistan is a nationality to which I no longer belong.

    Ethnicity goes deeper - so for instance, Pakistan is an amalgam of many ethno-linguistic groups; Punjabis, Balochis, Afghans, Sindhis, etc.

    So, if I were a Punjabi, then yes - I would remain a Punjabi no matter where I settled because that identity is in my blood - makes sense?

    To be honest, I don't really get riled up by ethnic slurs - it just seems juvenile and silly to me.

    Peace.

    Long story but last year a Pakistani couple lived at my house for a few months. The wife could be kind of a cunt but made up for it with her Pakistani cooking.

    They both told me that nobody in Pakistan gives a shit about the ethnic divisions in the country. Are you saying they were wrong?

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    Hey Greasy,

    They both told me that nobody in Pakistan gives a shit about the ethnic divisions in the country. Are you saying they were wrong?
     
    In general this is true, but just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The whole raison detre for Pakistan is that a bunch of various majority-Muslim ethnic groups decided that a religious national identity meant more than their various ethno-linguistic identities.

    So for instance, I have learned quite a bit from Islamic scholars and teachers from Pakistan that are Punjabi - but they are Punjabi and I am not.

    Another example are how various groups wear their headdress; the Balochis wear their turban a specific way:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=balochi+turban&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5j86Cj87YAhULyWMKHQ-zDl0QsAQIKA&biw=1344&bih=774

    And the Sindhis like to wear their caps, but which are distinct from everyone else:
    https://www.google.com/search?biw=1344&bih=774&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=wmdWWv8rjNyPA4zvvqAG&q=sindhi+cap&oq=sindhi+cap&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l7j0i30k1l2j0i24k1.102941.104741.0.105108.10.9.0.1.1.0.155.1150.0j9.9.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.10.1157...0i67k1.0.z5LAVy77OAc

    The point is to enjoy the differences (especially the various foods) and not make a big deal out of them. So mostly people don't care about differences, and a lot of intermarriage occurs - my family married into Afghans and Punjabis and many people are bi-lingual or more. But sometimes ethnic divisions due come up if one group feels unfairly marginalized or if their is nepotism, etc. There has been a low-level insurgency in Balochistan for a while now. Same old, same old.

    Peace.
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  98. @Talha
    Actually I consider myself an American - from a nationality perspective. Sure from Pakistani background, but I left my flag back in Karachi - as I suggest all who come here should.

    Peace.

    Just because you consider yourself something does not make you that. If you are from Pakistan, that makes you a Pakistani.

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    Hey neutral,

    Depends on what you mean. My passport says USA - so that is obviously my nationality - as in "what nation state do you belong to". If you mean origin, then yes, my origin is from the nation of Pakistan - but I am no longer Pakistani because I do not belong to that nation state any more.

    My ethnic origin is as described - muhajir from the Hindustani people - so that does not change any more than one of my neighbors who is Irish.

    Peace.
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  99. @Greasy William
    Long story but last year a Pakistani couple lived at my house for a few months. The wife could be kind of a cunt but made up for it with her Pakistani cooking.

    They both told me that nobody in Pakistan gives a shit about the ethnic divisions in the country. Are you saying they were wrong?

    Hey Greasy,

    They both told me that nobody in Pakistan gives a shit about the ethnic divisions in the country. Are you saying they were wrong?

    In general this is true, but just because you don’t care about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. The whole raison detre for Pakistan is that a bunch of various majority-Muslim ethnic groups decided that a religious national identity meant more than their various ethno-linguistic identities.

    So for instance, I have learned quite a bit from Islamic scholars and teachers from Pakistan that are Punjabi – but they are Punjabi and I am not.

    Another example are how various groups wear their headdress; the Balochis wear their turban a specific way:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=balochi+turban&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5j86Cj87YAhULyWMKHQ-zDl0QsAQIKA&biw=1344&bih=774

    And the Sindhis like to wear their caps, but which are distinct from everyone else:

    https://www.google.com/search?biw=1344&bih=774&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=wmdWWv8rjNyPA4zvvqAG&q=sindhi+cap&oq=sindhi+cap&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l7j0i30k1l2j0i24k1.102941.104741.0.105108.10.9.0.1.1.0.155.1150.0j9.9.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.10.1157…0i67k1.0.z5LAVy77OAc

    The point is to enjoy the differences (especially the various foods) and not make a big deal out of them. So mostly people don’t care about differences, and a lot of intermarriage occurs – my family married into Afghans and Punjabis and many people are bi-lingual or more. But sometimes ethnic divisions due come up if one group feels unfairly marginalized or if their is nepotism, etc. There has been a low-level insurgency in Balochistan for a while now. Same old, same old.

    Peace.

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    Don't forget there are more "Afghans" in Pakistan than there are in Afghanistan.
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  100. @neutral
    Just because you consider yourself something does not make you that. If you are from Pakistan, that makes you a Pakistani.

    Hey neutral,

    Depends on what you mean. My passport says USA – so that is obviously my nationality – as in “what nation state do you belong to”. If you mean origin, then yes, my origin is from the nation of Pakistan – but I am no longer Pakistani because I do not belong to that nation state any more.

    My ethnic origin is as described – muhajir from the Hindustani people – so that does not change any more than one of my neighbors who is Irish.

    Peace.

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  101. My favorite manga is “Kingdom”, it’s about the Qin unification of China and the Xiongnu are present there as well. The fact that there is a real person commenting here with the nickname “Duke of Qin” who carries thousands of years old grudges against the Xiongnu is absolutely fascinating and awesome to me.

    Duke of Qin, have you read it by any chance and what do you think of it? I will be interested to hear your opinion. It’s by a Japanese guy obviously, but I think it’s a pretty awesome interpretation of the events and has some historicity too (nothing contradicts the Records of the Grand Historian and all events there are depicted in the manga with the accompanying direct quotes, although the author gets quite creative with the surrounding circumstances).

    Also do you carry grudges towards the Japanese as well, because of WW2? I hope not, the East Asian master race – Chinese, Koreans, Japanese – must work together to take human civilization to new heights (just as Russia and Germany working together is one of the most important conditions for the European part of civilization to survive and be revitalized).

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    My righteous grudge is natural. It is the cause of justice, of civilized sedentary farming peoples everywhere to enjoy the fruits of their productive labour free from the looting and despoiling nature of the people of the steppes whose principal occupation for the past several millennia has been nothing more than banditry and parasitism, the success of which was based on nothing but the speed and number of their horses. Their cultures are dirt, their civilizations are dirt, their people are dirty thieves, and all they have to offer even today is more dirt.

    As to the Japanese, I don't care about them as they are presently an American satrapy and incapable of independent action. The Japanese made their go at empire, they failed and are a subject people now as a result of it. That they can't readily admit it because of their stiff pride is not my problem. Though I cant fault their pride as that would be pretty hypocritical.
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  102. @Daniel Chieh
    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common, as is being pro-German due to Sino-German cooperation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_1926%E2%80%931941

    Its not really per se about the Boxers. Its the overall humiliation experienced. Chinese forces were curbstomped ridiculously beyond their imagination by the British, and there were various other forms of indignities that for one reason or another, the Germans never indulged in.

    The Germans also helped create the popular beer Tsingtao which is hard not to appreciate.Silly, no? But beer has significant soft cultural power.

    I’m assuming it’s a knockoff of a Czech beer, right?

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsingtao_Brewery

    It was founded in 1903 by German settlers and now claims about 15% of domestic market share


    Seems pretty much German, though with Anglo investment as well.
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  103. @iffen
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3eTSbC3neA

    Is You Is or Is You Ain’t My Constituency?

    Are you a member of the Ummah?

    Don't leave us hanging, what's your ethnicity?

    Also – off-topic – but I have no idea what I did to bring the heat on me on that other thread. I am definitely not going to debate things in deference to instructions by my teachers, but I did notice a couple of things…
    1) The articulation of Sunni positions is grossly inaccurate (which I think most people can tell just by the tone) which leads to 2…
    2) If they have such a questionable grasp on Sunni positions, I don’t even know whether I can assume the Shiah positions they are positing are even accurate. I haven’t studied Shiah theology/jurisprudence much so I simply don’t know, but much of what’s being stated – from a creedal perspective – sounds a lot like recycled and modified old-school Mutazilite stuff.

    I’m going to keep my head down and just watch the fireworks fly… :)

    Peace.

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    You will have an interesting perspective.

    You see all the Islamic related "comments" from commenters who don't know Shia from Shinola and now you have comments from some that presumably do know the difference.

    Mutazilite stuff

    And all this time I thought Baptists were the world leaders in schismatic behavior.

    Did your family migrate at the time of the partition?

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  104. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lars Porsena
    The problem with your thesis is you're cherry picking. So you have evidence of defective self-loathing SJW hapas. You can blame that on interbreeding, but why is it that the defective hapas all have defective parents on both sides? The hapa who writes that longing for death website freely admits that his father was afraid to look people in the eye and crosses the street to avoid walking past larger men and had 0 social skills, and the mother's whole family was self-loathing and self destructive and prone to suicide. And of course they are a bunch of SJWs who accept no responsibility and blame the whole thing on society. You don't find it curious the AM/WF is supposedly better than the reverse? They've assimilated into diseased white SJWism that blames white males for their own mental dysfunction.

    Seriously read that website. That hapa's message isn't just that white guys are trash and no one wants them, but also asian men are worse than trash an no one wants them, and asian woman are trash and no one wants them (I notice the asian incel doesn't say anything about blonde women). He tells asian women that any white guy who even date them is automatically trash who can't do any better because no one would want them (that has to be blatantly toxic and abusive in a relationship, no wonder no one wants him! Systemic white supremacism is obviously the only explanation). The guy is a deranged loser trying to spread his misery because he blames everyone else for him being mentally unstable and self loathing.

    And again, by his own history, his white father was also self loathing and his chinese mother was also also self loathing (and killed herself).

    That defective white + defective asian = defective hapa proves nothing about miscegenation. It just proves apples fall off trees. I don't know what your politics is but look who you're siding with here, these people created r/althappa because they kicked everyone who was well adjusted out of their struggle session. This is a group that's self selected for mental illness probably on both sides of the tree.

    You’re right that it’s cherry picking. You could easily find a lot more examples of self-loathing and mentally defective and deranged whites, especially white SJWs, on the internet. Reddit, Tumblr, Twitter, etc., are full of them.

    I don’t see any indication that hapas are less successful or more maladjusted than whites, especially considering that whites these days are increasingly afflicted with opiate and other drug and alcohol problems, rising mortality rates, declining economic prospects, etc. In my experience, hapas seem to be better off than the white mean. I don’t think this is due to anything special about the white-Asian pairing, but probably just due to assortative mating. Most white-Asian pairings are between middle/upper-middle class people who meet in college and professional environments. The GI-war bride pairing is much less common these days.

    The white-Asian pairing is the most common interracial pairing, so naturally racialists have an incentive to portray them negatively. That’s understandable, but that doesn’t make what they say about them true.

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  105. @Talha
    Hey G_R,

    Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world
     
    It'll eventually pass with time - I mean who really has a beef with Mongols (other than Mongolian Beef) nowadays?

    The Brits just had the latest in a long string of massive empires. I mean they literally rolled it back within living memory of some of my relatives. Eventually it'll go away just like Americans forgave them for burning down a bunch of Washington DC.

    Peace.

    like Americans forgave them for burning down a bunch of Washington DC

    Just like the Brits, never around when you really need them.

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  106. Well, my wife is white and French – but I think Jaakko Raipala may be correct that there is some outbreeding depression. Its not impossible and certainly shouldn’t be treated as forbidden from discussion.

    At the same time, I’m pretty dubious of the idea that it doesn’t ever introduce positive alleles on a permanent basis. If outbreeding always led to a reduction in fitness, for example, beefalo wouldn’t be more successful than pure bison and non-Africans would be a fitness disadvantage due to outbreeding with Neanderthals.

    Natural selection – or cultural selection in human society – works its magic over time.

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  107. @Lars Porsena
    I'm assuming it's a knockoff of a Czech beer, right?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsingtao_Brewery


    It was founded in 1903 by German settlers and now claims about 15% of domestic market share

    Seems pretty much German, though with Anglo investment as well.

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  108. @Twinkie
    That creep is as much of a Hapa representative as Nathan Adrian: https://www.buzzfeed.com/lyapalater/reminder-that-nathan-adrian-is-actually-the-hottes?utm_term=.hoV17r6r1#.voD9zdnd9

    My oldest boy has been doing Judo and Jujitsu since he was a baby. He looks a lot like Alan Jouban: http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/alan-jouban

    And modeling scouts have contacted my wife and me repeatedly about our girls.

    Well you know Twinx, I’ve never really heard anyone say their kids were ugly.

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  109. @Talha
    Also - off-topic - but I have no idea what I did to bring the heat on me on that other thread. I am definitely not going to debate things in deference to instructions by my teachers, but I did notice a couple of things...
    1) The articulation of Sunni positions is grossly inaccurate (which I think most people can tell just by the tone) which leads to 2...
    2) If they have such a questionable grasp on Sunni positions, I don't even know whether I can assume the Shiah positions they are positing are even accurate. I haven't studied Shiah theology/jurisprudence much so I simply don't know, but much of what's being stated - from a creedal perspective - sounds a lot like recycled and modified old-school Mutazilite stuff.

    I'm going to keep my head down and just watch the fireworks fly... :)

    Peace.

    You will have an interesting perspective.

    You see all the Islamic related “comments” from commenters who don’t know Shia from Shinola and now you have comments from some that presumably do know the difference.

    Mutazilite stuff

    And all this time I thought Baptists were the world leaders in schismatic behavior.

    Did your family migrate at the time of the partition?

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    Definitely interesting to watch. I will say this - if half the stuff they are posting about Sunnis was accurate, I'd have been a Shiah long ago. Which makes me wonder - is that what some Shiahs actually believe about Sunni positions?

    I've known enough Shiahs before, like the brothers at UCLA, to know plenty are far more nuanced in their positions...and approach to the subject.

    Did your family migrate at the partition?
     
    Afterwards - they weren't part of the crazy blood-letting where Muslims and Hindus were slaughtered trying to get to their respective sides.

    Peace.
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  110. @iffen
    You will have an interesting perspective.

    You see all the Islamic related "comments" from commenters who don't know Shia from Shinola and now you have comments from some that presumably do know the difference.

    Mutazilite stuff

    And all this time I thought Baptists were the world leaders in schismatic behavior.

    Did your family migrate at the time of the partition?

    Definitely interesting to watch. I will say this – if half the stuff they are posting about Sunnis was accurate, I’d have been a Shiah long ago. Which makes me wonder – is that what some Shiahs actually believe about Sunni positions?

    I’ve known enough Shiahs before, like the brothers at UCLA, to know plenty are far more nuanced in their positions…and approach to the subject.

    Did your family migrate at the partition?

    Afterwards – they weren’t part of the crazy blood-letting where Muslims and Hindus were slaughtered trying to get to their respective sides.

    Peace.

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  111. @Lars Porsena
    The problem with your thesis is you're cherry picking. So you have evidence of defective self-loathing SJW hapas. You can blame that on interbreeding, but why is it that the defective hapas all have defective parents on both sides? The hapa who writes that longing for death website freely admits that his father was afraid to look people in the eye and crosses the street to avoid walking past larger men and had 0 social skills, and the mother's whole family was self-loathing and self destructive and prone to suicide. And of course they are a bunch of SJWs who accept no responsibility and blame the whole thing on society. You don't find it curious the AM/WF is supposedly better than the reverse? They've assimilated into diseased white SJWism that blames white males for their own mental dysfunction.

    Seriously read that website. That hapa's message isn't just that white guys are trash and no one wants them, but also asian men are worse than trash an no one wants them, and asian woman are trash and no one wants them (I notice the asian incel doesn't say anything about blonde women). He tells asian women that any white guy who even date them is automatically trash who can't do any better because no one would want them (that has to be blatantly toxic and abusive in a relationship, no wonder no one wants him! Systemic white supremacism is obviously the only explanation). The guy is a deranged loser trying to spread his misery because he blames everyone else for him being mentally unstable and self loathing.

    And again, by his own history, his white father was also self loathing and his chinese mother was also also self loathing (and killed herself).

    That defective white + defective asian = defective hapa proves nothing about miscegenation. It just proves apples fall off trees. I don't know what your politics is but look who you're siding with here, these people created r/althappa because they kicked everyone who was well adjusted out of their struggle session. This is a group that's self selected for mental illness probably on both sides of the tree.

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you.

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  112. @Talha
    Whites get credit for that invention - greatest sport ever!

    Also, no lack of aggressive White males either. You remember when Konstantinov or Stevens would flip a guy in the air with a clean center-Ice check? Beautiful!

    Peace.

    Whites get credit for that invention – greatest sport ever!

    Also, no lack of aggressive White males either. You remember when Konstantinov or Stevens would flip a guy in the air with a clean center-Ice check? Beautiful!

    Peace.

    It came from Indians (feather not dot): http://manataka.org/page2773.html

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    Really?

    http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/origin/overview/

    Hmmmm...I mean, I got nothing against Native Americans inventing it - I'm sure plenty of people from Northern climates had some kind of rudimentary games to play on the ice.

    Peace.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It came from Indians (feather not dot): http://manataka.org/page2773.html

     

    Bandy may look like a gym teacher's mad crossing of soccer and ice hockey, but it predates the creation of either, and was played throughout a more frigid England before global warming arrived in the Victorian era.

    Or at least that's what they told us when we hosted the Bandy World Cup here back in the '90s.
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  113. @Anonymous

    Whites get credit for that invention – greatest sport ever!

    Also, no lack of aggressive White males either. You remember when Konstantinov or Stevens would flip a guy in the air with a clean center-Ice check? Beautiful!

    Peace.
     
    It came from Indians (feather not dot): http://manataka.org/page2773.html

    Really?

    http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/origin/overview/

    Hmmmm…I mean, I got nothing against Native Americans inventing it – I’m sure plenty of people from Northern climates had some kind of rudimentary games to play on the ice.

    Peace.

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  114. @Talha
    Hey G_R,

    Britain seems to be quite unpopular in some parts of the world
     
    It'll eventually pass with time - I mean who really has a beef with Mongols (other than Mongolian Beef) nowadays?

    The Brits just had the latest in a long string of massive empires. I mean they literally rolled it back within living memory of some of my relatives. Eventually it'll go away just like Americans forgave them for burning down a bunch of Washington DC.

    Peace.

    Hell, we recently sent them a letter asking them to do it again.

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  115. @Chris Mallory
    The wogs begin at Calais. None of those 3 subjects in that picture are white.

    Yes, the three pictured are indeed white. Iranians are from Aryan people. They are considered white because they are Caucasians.

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  116. @Backwoods Bob
    That fugly author painfully labored to pretend she is confused by "white supremacists" marrying Asians.

    Feminism has always been based upon lies but it has become a hysterical noise machine.

    I married an Asian because she was hot, young, and loves me for laying down the bacon and slapping her ass every time she's close enough to swat.

    There isn't a hint of feminism in these beautiful East Asian units guys. They love men to pieces.

    What kind of a retard would choose a fugly Asian? The fugly strain causes feminism. Even in lab rats.

    “I married an Asian because she was hot, young, and loves me for laying down the bacon and slapping her ass every time she’s close enough to swat.”

    Unless you have a photograph of you and her, along with her confirming how you essentially “dominate” her, it is safe to assume you are trying to curry favor among the fine posters here by making a big boast. In other words, put up or shut up.

    As far as “white women being too feminist”, that’s more along the lines of Fake News.

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  117. @German_reader

    To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices
     
    You mean like the Opium wars or the intervention against the Boxers?
    I once had a discussion on the Daily Telegraph's comments section with a self-declared Chinese nationalist from Singapore...he insisted very strongly that one day Britain would have to apologize for the Opium wars and pay at least symbolic compensation (he was quite pro-German by contrast...I probably shouldn't have told him of Germany's role in the anti-Boxer intervention)...also expressed a disturbing belief in the possibility of bioweapons targeting non-Chinese and the willingness of diaspora Chinese to act as fifth-columnists.
    Are such sentiments common among Chinese people?

    If by sentiments you mean getting back at Whitey? Then yes, among a certain sector of nationalist sentiment, however this isn’t exactly what I meant or perhaps more accurately isn’t entirely what I meant.

    The opium wars as I said were a farce and inconsequential, the boxer rebellion even more so. A mere superstitious peasant rebellion driven by drought and hatred of Christian converts thought to have caused it that disappeared the day the rains arrived and their Christians neighbors burnt out. My enmity for the sassanachs stems from their assistance render to the Qing government during the Taiping Rebellion.

    In cannonical Chinese story as tought by both the Communists and West is that the opium wars are the beginning China’s so-called century of humiliation. This Whig history (read nonsense) simply isn’t true. China’s century of humiliation began much earlier and it was actually already two centuries. The problem was China simply wasn’t sovereign at the time, the Qing government being an illegitimate regime of scheming barbarian scavengers who had by circumstance and race treason seized the throne for themselves and enslaved the Chinese race, the Han race (This is literally true as the institution of slavery was reintroduced by the Qing and Qing courtiers had to refer to themselves in the presence of their dog emperor as “Your slave” rather than “Your minister”).

    There are many similarities between the simultaneous collapse of the Ming and the Thirty Years war, chiefly that the main beneficiaries of the internal warfare, economic collapse, and crazed anaptists, both happened to be foreigners. Sweden primarily in Germany’s case and the Manchu scum in the case of China. In both cases, basically the fighting had rather than leading to decisive advantage lead to general chaos and an intense merciless power struggle between many competing groups. A more cohesive new force joined the fighting at an opportune time and was able to act as a loadstone to gather to it otherwise disorganized forces around and eventually press their advantage. This was basically how tiny Sweden managed to become overlord of half of Germany and built a sizable empire (until she lost to the Russians) and how the Manchu were able to attract and coalesce various Ming remnant forces after rebels had sacked Beijing leaving the legitimate emperor dead.

    Rather than the standard history of China having stagnated, it was regressed. The standard of living declined dramatically from the mid 17th century to the mid 19th century when the century of humiliation had began. In terms of per capita grain availabily, land, wages, etc Manchu misrule of China had cut incomes by a third. Even worse than the loss of wealth was the loss of purpose as the Manchu’s in order to justify their heathen barbarian rule did irreparable damage to Chinese society via their literary inquisitions. 19th century China had been scarred like the areas of Southeastern Europe that had fallen to barbarian Ottoman Islamic rule and most Europeans should be familiar with how those nations faired compared to those that had safely been kept safe under the Austrian Catholic aegis. The damage that the Qing Manchu barbarians inflicted on China vastly overshadows what little the British let alone what the French and Germans had done (Basically nothing except inflate Wilhelm’s vainglorious pretentions at home in Europe). The Great Sin of the British however was their support of the Qing court during the Taiping rebellion which was on course to topple Manchu rule. Instead British support aided the barbarian usurpers and let the decrepit Qing survive long past its smell date and it’s rotting and clinging presence set up China’s political troubles during the early Republic by fragmenting authority to regional elites.

    But of course all of this is generally not the standard interpretation of the period and instead Whig history prevails both in China and abroad so popular resentment is incorrectly directed at the British in particular (thoroughly deserved) and Westerners in general instead of at the illegitimate barbarians misrulers of China herself. Chinese history as it was understood during the Republican period actually more closely mirrors my understanding but the Communists marxist interpretation of history has washed all that away.

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    Ah, I understand, you regard the Qing as usurpers and foreign tyrants. That's a bit of a controversial subject in China if I understand correctly...with the official view being that they were just another Chinese dynasty, whereas many Chinese nationalists view things rather differently (and probably have always done so, weren't there anti-Qing secret societies even back in the 17th/18th centuries?). I'm surprised you view the Taiping rising positively...frankly, they've always seemed like nutty cultists to me, also in thrall to foreign influences with their pseudo-Christianity; but then I'm not Chinese, so my understanding of the issues is limited.
    Thanks for your reply, that was very interesting.
    , @Alden
    Did you know that some of the California Chinese are descended from Taiping rebels who fled when the Imperial troops conquered them. They came in the 1830s & 40s before the Gold Rush, but not to San Francisco mostly Monterey.

    I guess from the point of Han trying to get their country back, the Opium war Taiping rebellion and retard Emperors was great. Not so good for everybody else.
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  118. @Spisarevski
    My favorite manga is "Kingdom", it's about the Qin unification of China and the Xiongnu are present there as well. The fact that there is a real person commenting here with the nickname "Duke of Qin" who carries thousands of years old grudges against the Xiongnu is absolutely fascinating and awesome to me.

    Duke of Qin, have you read it by any chance and what do you think of it? I will be interested to hear your opinion. It's by a Japanese guy obviously, but I think it's a pretty awesome interpretation of the events and has some historicity too (nothing contradicts the Records of the Grand Historian and all events there are depicted in the manga with the accompanying direct quotes, although the author gets quite creative with the surrounding circumstances).

    Also do you carry grudges towards the Japanese as well, because of WW2? I hope not, the East Asian master race - Chinese, Koreans, Japanese - must work together to take human civilization to new heights (just as Russia and Germany working together is one of the most important conditions for the European part of civilization to survive and be revitalized).

    My righteous grudge is natural. It is the cause of justice, of civilized sedentary farming peoples everywhere to enjoy the fruits of their productive labour free from the looting and despoiling nature of the people of the steppes whose principal occupation for the past several millennia has been nothing more than banditry and parasitism, the success of which was based on nothing but the speed and number of their horses. Their cultures are dirt, their civilizations are dirt, their people are dirty thieves, and all they have to offer even today is more dirt.

    As to the Japanese, I don’t care about them as they are presently an American satrapy and incapable of independent action. The Japanese made their go at empire, they failed and are a subject people now as a result of it. That they can’t readily admit it because of their stiff pride is not my problem. Though I cant fault their pride as that would be pretty hypocritical.

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    I love those Chinese historical movies The very best is a TV series 3 Kingdoms. It’s like a Chinese Game Thrones but it’s true history.

    The Emperor dies and his 3 sons start a 3 way civil war that goes on for years.

    It’s great wish I had the DVD
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  119. @Duke of Qin
    If by sentiments you mean getting back at Whitey? Then yes, among a certain sector of nationalist sentiment, however this isn't exactly what I meant or perhaps more accurately isn't entirely what I meant.

    The opium wars as I said were a farce and inconsequential, the boxer rebellion even more so. A mere superstitious peasant rebellion driven by drought and hatred of Christian converts thought to have caused it that disappeared the day the rains arrived and their Christians neighbors burnt out. My enmity for the sassanachs stems from their assistance render to the Qing government during the Taiping Rebellion.

    In cannonical Chinese story as tought by both the Communists and West is that the opium wars are the beginning China's so-called century of humiliation. This Whig history (read nonsense) simply isn't true. China's century of humiliation began much earlier and it was actually already two centuries. The problem was China simply wasn't sovereign at the time, the Qing government being an illegitimate regime of scheming barbarian scavengers who had by circumstance and race treason seized the throne for themselves and enslaved the Chinese race, the Han race (This is literally true as the institution of slavery was reintroduced by the Qing and Qing courtiers had to refer to themselves in the presence of their dog emperor as "Your slave" rather than "Your minister").

    There are many similarities between the simultaneous collapse of the Ming and the Thirty Years war, chiefly that the main beneficiaries of the internal warfare, economic collapse, and crazed anaptists, both happened to be foreigners. Sweden primarily in Germany's case and the Manchu scum in the case of China. In both cases, basically the fighting had rather than leading to decisive advantage lead to general chaos and an intense merciless power struggle between many competing groups. A more cohesive new force joined the fighting at an opportune time and was able to act as a loadstone to gather to it otherwise disorganized forces around and eventually press their advantage. This was basically how tiny Sweden managed to become overlord of half of Germany and built a sizable empire (until she lost to the Russians) and how the Manchu were able to attract and coalesce various Ming remnant forces after rebels had sacked Beijing leaving the legitimate emperor dead.

    Rather than the standard history of China having stagnated, it was regressed. The standard of living declined dramatically from the mid 17th century to the mid 19th century when the century of humiliation had began. In terms of per capita grain availabily, land, wages, etc Manchu misrule of China had cut incomes by a third. Even worse than the loss of wealth was the loss of purpose as the Manchu's in order to justify their heathen barbarian rule did irreparable damage to Chinese society via their literary inquisitions. 19th century China had been scarred like the areas of Southeastern Europe that had fallen to barbarian Ottoman Islamic rule and most Europeans should be familiar with how those nations faired compared to those that had safely been kept safe under the Austrian Catholic aegis. The damage that the Qing Manchu barbarians inflicted on China vastly overshadows what little the British let alone what the French and Germans had done (Basically nothing except inflate Wilhelm's vainglorious pretentions at home in Europe). The Great Sin of the British however was their support of the Qing court during the Taiping rebellion which was on course to topple Manchu rule. Instead British support aided the barbarian usurpers and let the decrepit Qing survive long past its smell date and it's rotting and clinging presence set up China's political troubles during the early Republic by fragmenting authority to regional elites.

    But of course all of this is generally not the standard interpretation of the period and instead Whig history prevails both in China and abroad so popular resentment is incorrectly directed at the British in particular (thoroughly deserved) and Westerners in general instead of at the illegitimate barbarians misrulers of China herself. Chinese history as it was understood during the Republican period actually more closely mirrors my understanding but the Communists marxist interpretation of history has washed all that away.

    Ah, I understand, you regard the Qing as usurpers and foreign tyrants. That’s a bit of a controversial subject in China if I understand correctly…with the official view being that they were just another Chinese dynasty, whereas many Chinese nationalists view things rather differently (and probably have always done so, weren’t there anti-Qing secret societies even back in the 17th/18th centuries?). I’m surprised you view the Taiping rising positively…frankly, they’ve always seemed like nutty cultists to me, also in thrall to foreign influences with their pseudo-Christianity; but then I’m not Chinese, so my understanding of the issues is limited.
    Thanks for your reply, that was very interesting.

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    Early Chinese nationalism was very anti manchu and pro han, but after they inherited the Qing dynasty they had to play down the anti manchu sentiment if they did not the country might disintergrate. Early traid society (proto nationalism) was about overthrowing the Qing and restoring the Ming.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tREvDSxlx-k

    , @Talha
    He didn't answer the secret. 5th column bio-weapons thing though...gasp!
    http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/wwih.jpg

    Chinese taqiyyah??!!
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Its hard not to see the Manchu as invaders because, well, they were. Much as the Mongols were. However, they were basically sinicized for all practical purposes as seems to be fate of people who invade China. That has been seen as a kind of pride - that victory at arms never is followed by cultural victory, and therefore is seen as the sign of superior culture in spite of inferior force of arms(though of course, the latter is significantly more complicated due to internal chaos, etc, which were taken advantage of by the barbarians).

    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.
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  120. Since we talking about Chinese history, anyone looking forward to 3 Kingdoms total war ? I need to buy a new PC, love total war, been playing since rome 1.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=s4D42vMUSIM

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  121. @German_reader
    Ah, I understand, you regard the Qing as usurpers and foreign tyrants. That's a bit of a controversial subject in China if I understand correctly...with the official view being that they were just another Chinese dynasty, whereas many Chinese nationalists view things rather differently (and probably have always done so, weren't there anti-Qing secret societies even back in the 17th/18th centuries?). I'm surprised you view the Taiping rising positively...frankly, they've always seemed like nutty cultists to me, also in thrall to foreign influences with their pseudo-Christianity; but then I'm not Chinese, so my understanding of the issues is limited.
    Thanks for your reply, that was very interesting.

    Early Chinese nationalism was very anti manchu and pro han, but after they inherited the Qing dynasty they had to play down the anti manchu sentiment if they did not the country might disintergrate. Early traid society (proto nationalism) was about overthrowing the Qing and restoring the Ming.

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    but after they inherited the Qing dynasty they had to play down the anti manchu sentiment if they did not the country might disintergrate
     
    If I understand correctly that relates to the traditionally non-Han areas like Xinjiang and Tibet that were brought under control/suzerainty by the Qing (also Manchuria of course), because for keeping them it was advantageous to regard the Qing as a genuinely Chinese dynasty?
    It's always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that's quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today (my own country being an extreme example, there is no history here anymore except 1933-45).
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  122. @German_reader
    Ah, I understand, you regard the Qing as usurpers and foreign tyrants. That's a bit of a controversial subject in China if I understand correctly...with the official view being that they were just another Chinese dynasty, whereas many Chinese nationalists view things rather differently (and probably have always done so, weren't there anti-Qing secret societies even back in the 17th/18th centuries?). I'm surprised you view the Taiping rising positively...frankly, they've always seemed like nutty cultists to me, also in thrall to foreign influences with their pseudo-Christianity; but then I'm not Chinese, so my understanding of the issues is limited.
    Thanks for your reply, that was very interesting.

    He didn’t answer the secret. 5th column bio-weapons thing though…gasp!

    Chinese taqiyyah??!!

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  123. @Duke of Qin
    The reasons for this are simple psycho-cultural dynamics. East Asians are simply less spontaneously violent than any other race. Intermix two groups of people and the males of one group that commit a disproportionate numbers of rapes against females of the other group will also 9 times out of 10 also be more likely to be engaged in consensual relationships. This is simple biology. Women like cads.

    The way this has been generally mitigated is by the less violent group being more organized and engaging in communal violence against the more aggressive outgroup males. See how whites reacted to blacks taking their women prior to the mid 20th century and Arabs still do today. In the liberal Western societies where the state has a monopoly on violence and clan vendetta no longer legal, the natural hierarchy asserts itself.

    Of course not all women only care about aggression in men, they want status too. White men, despite I suspect many here would disagree, still have the highest status in the West and really the world at large. East Asian women being more calculating are generally repulsed by low status blacks, but find high status whites and more aggressive ones at that a winning combination.

    It is true that white men don't actually have an Asian fetishist but rather the other way around. Asian women simply have noticeably lower standards when it comes to white men. Men generally aren't that picky when it comes to women despite everyone on the internet thumbing their noses at anything less than an 8. They follow the path of least resistance and hence will settle for the first non disagreeable woman that comes along. When White Nationalists have generally low status among their own female peer group, they are willing to settle with an Asian woman particularly since she is skinnier than his own market value would warrant.

    Women like cads.

    Too simplistic. Women like men who are socially and economically functional in the society in which they live. The dominating, sperm-donating “alpha” of PUA legend is often not socially functional or a good life partner. They know how to get women to latch onto them as a boost for their self-esteem, but their relationship skills are wanting. There are in actuality very few situations in which alpha traits mean social success – the top of the corporate food chain, sports, various ego-driven enterprises – but for most in the working world the most functional traits are those good for teamwork, social relationships, and gaining the favor of those further up in various hierarchies. Women know that.

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  124. @Third world nationalist
    Early Chinese nationalism was very anti manchu and pro han, but after they inherited the Qing dynasty they had to play down the anti manchu sentiment if they did not the country might disintergrate. Early traid society (proto nationalism) was about overthrowing the Qing and restoring the Ming.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tREvDSxlx-k

    but after they inherited the Qing dynasty they had to play down the anti manchu sentiment if they did not the country might disintergrate

    If I understand correctly that relates to the traditionally non-Han areas like Xinjiang and Tibet that were brought under control/suzerainty by the Qing (also Manchuria of course), because for keeping them it was advantageous to regard the Qing as a genuinely Chinese dynasty?
    It’s always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that’s quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today (my own country being an extreme example, there is no history here anymore except 1933-45).

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    Such things are especially a risk, as Tibet is an excellent example, of foreigners(often the British) using the cause of ethnic minorities to promote separatism and strife even when the the "independent culture" is little more than an atavism.

    At any rate, the notion that the Qing themselves used the notion of the Mandate of Heaven, so even though they were foreign and did indeed practice rather abusive misrule to put it lightly, its hard to say that they did not embrace the culture in a significant form. Duke's view, as he noted himself, is pretty rare and extreme even from the KMT perspective(which I was originally from).

    As per Wiki:

    The Manchu people became the rulers during the Qing dynasty. The "orthodox" historical view emphasized the power of Han Chinese to "sinicize" their conquerors, although more recent research such as the New Qing History school revealed Manchu rulers were savvy in their manipulation of their subjects and from the 1630s through at least the 18th century, the emperors developed a sense of Manchu identity and used Central Asian models of rule as much as Confucian ones. There is however evidence of sinicization. For example, Manchus originally had their own separate style of naming from the Han Chinese, but eventually adopted Han Chinese naming practices.

    , @Third world nationalist
    If we claim that the Manchurian Qing is foreign then it would have just given credibility to the Japanese imperialist vision of an independent manchuko. It was much better to claim Qing as an Chinese dynasty to put into question the Japanese puppet state of Manchuko.

    But this is because history is written in retrospect. Most southern Han during the time were anti Qing and viewed the Manchus as barbarians.

    , @dfordoom

    It’s always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that’s quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today
     
    You'd be amazed how hot under the collar many Englishmen still get about things like the Civil War (mid-17th century). Not long ago I got into a fierce argument over the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and I was accused of being a Jacobite traitor. And try suggesting to an Englishman that Elizabeth I was actually a disastrous and incompetent monarch. Or that the execution of Mary Queen of Scots was simple murder.

    I've even witnessed some extraordinarily nasty arguments over whether Richard III really did murder the Princes in the Tower and that's going back over 500 years.

    Australians just don't have a long enough history to match that. Although I'm still pretty bitter about the British dragging us into the First World War and sending young Australians off to invade the Ottoman Empire.

    People who take an intense interest in history do tend to get quite passionate about it.
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  125. @German_reader
    Ah, I understand, you regard the Qing as usurpers and foreign tyrants. That's a bit of a controversial subject in China if I understand correctly...with the official view being that they were just another Chinese dynasty, whereas many Chinese nationalists view things rather differently (and probably have always done so, weren't there anti-Qing secret societies even back in the 17th/18th centuries?). I'm surprised you view the Taiping rising positively...frankly, they've always seemed like nutty cultists to me, also in thrall to foreign influences with their pseudo-Christianity; but then I'm not Chinese, so my understanding of the issues is limited.
    Thanks for your reply, that was very interesting.

    Its hard not to see the Manchu as invaders because, well, they were. Much as the Mongols were. However, they were basically sinicized for all practical purposes as seems to be fate of people who invade China. That has been seen as a kind of pride – that victory at arms never is followed by cultural victory, and therefore is seen as the sign of superior culture in spite of inferior force of arms(though of course, the latter is significantly more complicated due to internal chaos, etc, which were taken advantage of by the barbarians).

    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.

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    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.
     
    Who knows, maybe that will still happen when China rules the world :-) Given how rotten Western civ has become, it might not even be the worst thing.
    , @Talha

    However, they were basically sinicized for all practical purposes as seems to be fate of people who invade China.
     
    This is the same that happens to every invader into Persia - at least as far as cultural and civilizational influence - happened to practically all of the various Turkic groups. Hell even the Greeks were impressed, definitely the Arabs (the Abbassids were basically a Persian foundation with an Arab veneer).

    Peace.
    , @Duke of Qin
    This is just wrong. The Manchu barbarians were never Sinicized, they were only ever loyal to their barbarian usurper selves. For example, the requirement of appointing Manchu officers for the new model army. The concentration of loyalist banner forces around Beijing. The laughable policy of favoring incompetent Manchu officials at all levels over more qualified Han Chinese, the farther up the ranks you go the more systemic it became. They "claimed" they represented China, but every single policy was aimed at weakening the social cohesion of the Han race and privileging Manchu's at their expense. As the dysfunctional foreign regime became more dysfunctional it also became even more manchufied until it ended up being entirely governed by a coterie of useless imperial princes. Do you even realize that the entire banner forces had essentially become a giant welfare program by the 18th century and because government revenue was so low, that they began kicking Chinese en mass out of the banner force so more gimmes could be paid to Mongols and Manchus? They obviously weren't Sinicized enough to not join up with the Japanese to found a Manchukuo puppet state.

    Let me give you another example of how treacherous these nomads are. The Xibe were a tribe, one of the last ones incorporated into the Manchu banners and in the 18th century they were basically sent out to Xinjiang as a garrison force. Their entire raison d'etre was to defend the frontiers of the Chinese state and keep the Turks in line. Now these nomadic scum, despite speaking Chinese, mouthing Confucian pieties, practicing Buddhism, etc not only failed to justify their very purpose, but turned traitor. End of WW2, Stalin started plotting as Stalin was wont to do and instigated a revolt in northern Xinjiang. The Uyghurs now claim this as their independent state of East Turkestan and Western journalists too stupid to ask questions repeat this claim. The Uyghurs who overwhelmingly inhabited the South remained loyal to the RoC. What it was, was a Soviet backed putsch by Kazakhs. A particular tribe of Kazakh scum who had only arrived in Xinjiang the 1920's after being given refuge from the Soviet collectivization by the Chinese (Germans take note that Muslim refugee ingratitude is a historically established pattern). They were lead by Russian officers, commands were issued in Russian and weapons were delivered by the Soviets and only replaced with captured Chinese weapons when it came time for plausible deniability. After it became clear that the Nationalists were losing the Civil War and Chinese Communist forces were winning, the Soviets disarmed them, and Stalin subsequently had their useful idiot leaders shot by firing squad after their usefulness came to an end. I meander a bit, but back to the Xibe who were supposed to have defended the Chinese state for 200 years actually ended up joining the Kazakh rebellion. Naturally the progression of rebel forces meant the rape, murder, and dispossession of Chinese communities in their path as is the standard operating mode of Turk looting bands. That is how loyal and sinicized the Manchu's were. They abandoned oaths of loyalty to defend Chinese interests to join their stupid steppe cousins to terrorize Han Chinese when the opportunity arose. To call them acculturated is to spit on the blood of my ancestors that they shed.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    All of China's previous conquerors were less cultured and less literate than the Chinese. Sinicization is inevitable if your bureaucracy (tax gatherers) are all Chinese, if all the relevant interesting culture is produced in Chinese, etc.
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  126. @Daniel Chieh
    Its hard not to see the Manchu as invaders because, well, they were. Much as the Mongols were. However, they were basically sinicized for all practical purposes as seems to be fate of people who invade China. That has been seen as a kind of pride - that victory at arms never is followed by cultural victory, and therefore is seen as the sign of superior culture in spite of inferior force of arms(though of course, the latter is significantly more complicated due to internal chaos, etc, which were taken advantage of by the barbarians).

    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.

    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.

    Who knows, maybe that will still happen when China rules the world :-) Given how rotten Western civ has become, it might not even be the worst thing.

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    Who knows, maybe that will still happen when China rules the world :-) Given how rotten Western civ has become, it might not even be the worst thing.

     

    A sufficiently cynical view might be that widespread surveillance and soft authoritarianism that's spreading across the West is an inspiration from how well the Party manages to do the same thing.
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  127. @German_reader

    but after they inherited the Qing dynasty they had to play down the anti manchu sentiment if they did not the country might disintergrate
     
    If I understand correctly that relates to the traditionally non-Han areas like Xinjiang and Tibet that were brought under control/suzerainty by the Qing (also Manchuria of course), because for keeping them it was advantageous to regard the Qing as a genuinely Chinese dynasty?
    It's always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that's quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today (my own country being an extreme example, there is no history here anymore except 1933-45).

    Such things are especially a risk, as Tibet is an excellent example, of foreigners(often the British) using the cause of ethnic minorities to promote separatism and strife even when the the “independent culture” is little more than an atavism.

    At any rate, the notion that the Qing themselves used the notion of the Mandate of Heaven, so even though they were foreign and did indeed practice rather abusive misrule to put it lightly, its hard to say that they did not embrace the culture in a significant form. Duke’s view, as he noted himself, is pretty rare and extreme even from the KMT perspective(which I was originally from).

    As per Wiki:

    The Manchu people became the rulers during the Qing dynasty. The “orthodox” historical view emphasized the power of Han Chinese to “sinicize” their conquerors, although more recent research such as the New Qing History school revealed Manchu rulers were savvy in their manipulation of their subjects and from the 1630s through at least the 18th century, the emperors developed a sense of Manchu identity and used Central Asian models of rule as much as Confucian ones. There is however evidence of sinicization. For example, Manchus originally had their own separate style of naming from the Han Chinese, but eventually adopted Han Chinese naming practices.

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    Just to clarify, I don't really have an opinion of myself on the rights or wrongs of Chinese rule in Tibet, Xinjiang etc., these aren't issues I can judge for myself, and I'm not a pretentious Westerner meddling in issues that are none of my concern.
    Regarding the Qing, I obviously have no idea how common this view is in China, but I've seen pretty much the same argument being made in a German weekly by a young Chinese guy...he also regarded the Qing basically as foreign tyrants, humiliating the Han by dress restrictions, enforced wearing of pigtails etc.; iirc he also had a fairly negative view of some earlier foreign dynasties, like the Jurchen (?) in the 12th century (he claimed they basically forced Chinese women into state-run brothels and regarded that as an example for what happens to peoples who neglect military virtues...). So maybe such views are spreading in China?
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  128. @Daniel Chieh
    Its hard not to see the Manchu as invaders because, well, they were. Much as the Mongols were. However, they were basically sinicized for all practical purposes as seems to be fate of people who invade China. That has been seen as a kind of pride - that victory at arms never is followed by cultural victory, and therefore is seen as the sign of superior culture in spite of inferior force of arms(though of course, the latter is significantly more complicated due to internal chaos, etc, which were taken advantage of by the barbarians).

    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.

    However, they were basically sinicized for all practical purposes as seems to be fate of people who invade China.

    This is the same that happens to every invader into Persia – at least as far as cultural and civilizational influence – happened to practically all of the various Turkic groups. Hell even the Greeks were impressed, definitely the Arabs (the Abbassids were basically a Persian foundation with an Arab veneer).

    Peace.

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  129. @German_reader

    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.
     
    Who knows, maybe that will still happen when China rules the world :-) Given how rotten Western civ has become, it might not even be the worst thing.

    Who knows, maybe that will still happen when China rules the world :-) Given how rotten Western civ has become, it might not even be the worst thing.

    A sufficiently cynical view might be that widespread surveillance and soft authoritarianism that’s spreading across the West is an inspiration from how well the Party manages to do the same thing.

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  130. @Daniel Chieh
    Such things are especially a risk, as Tibet is an excellent example, of foreigners(often the British) using the cause of ethnic minorities to promote separatism and strife even when the the "independent culture" is little more than an atavism.

    At any rate, the notion that the Qing themselves used the notion of the Mandate of Heaven, so even though they were foreign and did indeed practice rather abusive misrule to put it lightly, its hard to say that they did not embrace the culture in a significant form. Duke's view, as he noted himself, is pretty rare and extreme even from the KMT perspective(which I was originally from).

    As per Wiki:

    The Manchu people became the rulers during the Qing dynasty. The "orthodox" historical view emphasized the power of Han Chinese to "sinicize" their conquerors, although more recent research such as the New Qing History school revealed Manchu rulers were savvy in their manipulation of their subjects and from the 1630s through at least the 18th century, the emperors developed a sense of Manchu identity and used Central Asian models of rule as much as Confucian ones. There is however evidence of sinicization. For example, Manchus originally had their own separate style of naming from the Han Chinese, but eventually adopted Han Chinese naming practices.

    Just to clarify, I don’t really have an opinion of myself on the rights or wrongs of Chinese rule in Tibet, Xinjiang etc., these aren’t issues I can judge for myself, and I’m not a pretentious Westerner meddling in issues that are none of my concern.
    Regarding the Qing, I obviously have no idea how common this view is in China, but I’ve seen pretty much the same argument being made in a German weekly by a young Chinese guy…he also regarded the Qing basically as foreign tyrants, humiliating the Han by dress restrictions, enforced wearing of pigtails etc.; iirc he also had a fairly negative view of some earlier foreign dynasties, like the Jurchen (?) in the 12th century (he claimed they basically forced Chinese women into state-run brothels and regarded that as an example for what happens to peoples who neglect military virtues…). So maybe such views are spreading in China?

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    he also regarded the Qing basically as foreign tyrants, humiliating the Han by dress restrictions, enforced wearing of pigtails etc.; iirc he also had a fairly negative view of some earlier foreign dynasties, like the Jurchen...
     
    All true. The fate of the defeated is never pleasant.

    Arrogance and a willingness to embrace stagnation is what leads to that weakness.
    , @Duke of Qin
    My views are definitely spreading. Chinese Communist historiography and ethnic policy basically aped that established by Lenin. It also aped the Manchu Qing's own false conception of their own history. Leftist views always benefit the barbarian savage and tend to underplay nativist nationalist sentiments.

    The late Austro-Hungarian empire's military difficulties were exacerbated by the lack of elan among it's multiethnic soldiers. Many of whom were not particularly keen on fighting too hard for what was at heart a German monarchy within which they played second fiddle. However, their people did enjoy a fair degree of representation even if not to the degree their numbers warranted and their Hapsburg Emperor was their still their rightful King by blood. The Han people, 95% of the empire's population, made up maybe 5% of the Qing's senior officials and their Qing Emperor's had the blood usurpers. Is it any wonder that the Qing army proved so useless in resisting European incursions.
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  131. @Anonymous
    Jared Taylor has half-Japanese adult children in Japan, although I don't think he' s legally their father or has a relationship with them. And I think he might have had them before he became a professional WN activist.

    And his American children are Jews. His wife, Evelyn Rich worked for the ADL for years and has a PHD in Evil White Nationalist Studies from Tulane.

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  132. @Thorfinnsson
    I don't think exclusively dating oriental women is an alt-right rite of passage at all.

    It's perhaps a nerd right of passage, and there's considerable overlap here.

    I had one Asian girlfriend, and it was prior to becoming a committed racist. I was also interested in white women at the time and never had any kind of exclusive yellow fever.

    I do still slam zipper pussy when it's available (proud member of the bleach right), but I only date white women now.

    “slam zipper pussy when it’s available”in your dreams nerd boy.Asian women can smell your blonde bad immune system ass and laugh in your face.

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    I identify as a 14 Words White Nationalist today, but in my younger days was a "right leaning libertarian" and actually mostly believed in racial equalitarianism.

    Back in my 20s I preferred and was moderately successful in hooking up with Japanese girls. I had sex with quite a few of them, as well as a Chinese or two, one Korean, one Iranian, and a couple of "light mestizas". I very seriously doubt I fathered any children with any of them-I always used rubbers and ever had one break, for one thing.

    When I decided this race-doesn't-matter thing was bogus I ceased and desisted from such behavior permanently. I regret having done it now. I think of those girls' fathers.
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  133. @German_reader
    Just to clarify, I don't really have an opinion of myself on the rights or wrongs of Chinese rule in Tibet, Xinjiang etc., these aren't issues I can judge for myself, and I'm not a pretentious Westerner meddling in issues that are none of my concern.
    Regarding the Qing, I obviously have no idea how common this view is in China, but I've seen pretty much the same argument being made in a German weekly by a young Chinese guy...he also regarded the Qing basically as foreign tyrants, humiliating the Han by dress restrictions, enforced wearing of pigtails etc.; iirc he also had a fairly negative view of some earlier foreign dynasties, like the Jurchen (?) in the 12th century (he claimed they basically forced Chinese women into state-run brothels and regarded that as an example for what happens to peoples who neglect military virtues...). So maybe such views are spreading in China?

    he also regarded the Qing basically as foreign tyrants, humiliating the Han by dress restrictions, enforced wearing of pigtails etc.; iirc he also had a fairly negative view of some earlier foreign dynasties, like the Jurchen…

    All true. The fate of the defeated is never pleasant.

    Arrogance and a willingness to embrace stagnation is what leads to that weakness.

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  134. @Daniel Chieh
    Its hard not to see the Manchu as invaders because, well, they were. Much as the Mongols were. However, they were basically sinicized for all practical purposes as seems to be fate of people who invade China. That has been seen as a kind of pride - that victory at arms never is followed by cultural victory, and therefore is seen as the sign of superior culture in spite of inferior force of arms(though of course, the latter is significantly more complicated due to internal chaos, etc, which were taken advantage of by the barbarians).

    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.

    This is just wrong. The Manchu barbarians were never Sinicized, they were only ever loyal to their barbarian usurper selves. For example, the requirement of appointing Manchu officers for the new model army. The concentration of loyalist banner forces around Beijing. The laughable policy of favoring incompetent Manchu officials at all levels over more qualified Han Chinese, the farther up the ranks you go the more systemic it became. They “claimed” they represented China, but every single policy was aimed at weakening the social cohesion of the Han race and privileging Manchu’s at their expense. As the dysfunctional foreign regime became more dysfunctional it also became even more manchufied until it ended up being entirely governed by a coterie of useless imperial princes. Do you even realize that the entire banner forces had essentially become a giant welfare program by the 18th century and because government revenue was so low, that they began kicking Chinese en mass out of the banner force so more gimmes could be paid to Mongols and Manchus? They obviously weren’t Sinicized enough to not join up with the Japanese to found a Manchukuo puppet state.

    Let me give you another example of how treacherous these nomads are. The Xibe were a tribe, one of the last ones incorporated into the Manchu banners and in the 18th century they were basically sent out to Xinjiang as a garrison force. Their entire raison d’etre was to defend the frontiers of the Chinese state and keep the Turks in line. Now these nomadic scum, despite speaking Chinese, mouthing Confucian pieties, practicing Buddhism, etc not only failed to justify their very purpose, but turned traitor. End of WW2, Stalin started plotting as Stalin was wont to do and instigated a revolt in northern Xinjiang. The Uyghurs now claim this as their independent state of East Turkestan and Western journalists too stupid to ask questions repeat this claim. The Uyghurs who overwhelmingly inhabited the South remained loyal to the RoC. What it was, was a Soviet backed putsch by Kazakhs. A particular tribe of Kazakh scum who had only arrived in Xinjiang the 1920′s after being given refuge from the Soviet collectivization by the Chinese (Germans take note that Muslim refugee ingratitude is a historically established pattern). They were lead by Russian officers, commands were issued in Russian and weapons were delivered by the Soviets and only replaced with captured Chinese weapons when it came time for plausible deniability. After it became clear that the Nationalists were losing the Civil War and Chinese Communist forces were winning, the Soviets disarmed them, and Stalin subsequently had their useful idiot leaders shot by firing squad after their usefulness came to an end. I meander a bit, but back to the Xibe who were supposed to have defended the Chinese state for 200 years actually ended up joining the Kazakh rebellion. Naturally the progression of rebel forces meant the rape, murder, and dispossession of Chinese communities in their path as is the standard operating mode of Turk looting bands. That is how loyal and sinicized the Manchu’s were. They abandoned oaths of loyalty to defend Chinese interests to join their stupid steppe cousins to terrorize Han Chinese when the opportunity arose. To call them acculturated is to spit on the blood of my ancestors that they shed.

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    Some of the Chinese history books have the same viewpoint as you. I remember reading that some of the Manchu families had not worked in 200 years but lived on government subsidizes just for being Manchu.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    The laughable policy of favoring incompetent Manchu officials at all levels over more qualified Han Chinese, the farther up the ranks you go the more systemic it became. They “claimed” they represented China, but every single policy was aimed at weakening the social cohesion of the Han race and privileging Manchu’s at their expense.
     
    Of course. The Manchu had seen what had happened to the Yuan and likewise were not in any capability to actually rule a large nation, so they practiced brutal oppression of the majority. Nonetheless, Chinese territory expanded significantly beneath the Qin dynasty.

    Its not really like the Han-run Ming Dynasty made brilliant decisions, starting with isolating themselves from the world. Corruption was rife and constant factional struggles led eventually to Wei Zhongxian to destroy capable officials as brilliantly as any northern barbarian. Toward the end, the bankrupt nation wasn't even paying soldiers on time.

    Ultimately, it was internal weakness that invited invaders - literally, with the Manchu.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    And if you want to speak of ancestral blood, my family was able to hold official titles for hundreds of years, through two dynasties; we had buried bones in Pudong for so long that it even held grave goods and treasures that we had family lore to excavate "in the event of emergency." Now the Communists have put an airport directly over our ancestral graves, so much for the ghosts. Do you realize how many generations of imperial examinations we must have aced, and struggled through including the centuries under active anti-Han Qing administration?

    Yet I am essentially one of the last branches of my family. It wasn't the Manchus that eradicated us, no, but other Han(and some help from Japanese) thanks to our solid support of the KMT. Should I hold a particular grudge for other Han now because the Communists targeted us for being "landowners?" That actually took the effort to try to wipe out an entire family tree?

    You speak of blood, we died at Shanghai against the Imperial Japanese, we died against the Communists on the mainland, we died to protect the Taiwanese and Lord Chiang(or rather, his ambitions) on Kinmen. In the end, my grandfather was the only survivor of an entire clan.

    And look at how grateful Taiwanese are now for the sacrifices of the KMT. I particularly loved the one who wanted to explain how Taiwan should be Japanese, so much did he hate being Chinese/Han.

    , @AP
    I wasn't aware of this history - thank you for explaining it. Fascinating.
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  135. @Duke of Qin
    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It's just that given the option I'd rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.

    So you don’t like the Mongolians , central Asians and Turks who continually invaded China?

    Or is it some other group, Manchurians? Do tell, I’m interested

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  136. @Duke of Qin
    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It's just that given the option I'd rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.

    Qin , that’s a famous name going way, way back. Aren’t they the founders of China as China? Duke of Qin is familiar to me. Were they some warlords who became Emperors?

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    I don't like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity. Huns, Avars, Alans included. These bastards ruin civilization wherever they go and they still do. I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.

    Qin was a fiefdom, one of those granted by the Kings of Zhou, the first Chinese polity, to the Ying clan. A descendant of whom became the first emperor. Think of a European title like the Duke of Anjou. If a descendant of that Duke became emperor, he would rename the entire state the Empire of Anjou. That is where Chinese Dynastic state names tend to get their origin from, a practice that remained in effect until around 1280. Another tradition ruined by barbarians.

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  137. @German_reader
    Just to clarify, I don't really have an opinion of myself on the rights or wrongs of Chinese rule in Tibet, Xinjiang etc., these aren't issues I can judge for myself, and I'm not a pretentious Westerner meddling in issues that are none of my concern.
    Regarding the Qing, I obviously have no idea how common this view is in China, but I've seen pretty much the same argument being made in a German weekly by a young Chinese guy...he also regarded the Qing basically as foreign tyrants, humiliating the Han by dress restrictions, enforced wearing of pigtails etc.; iirc he also had a fairly negative view of some earlier foreign dynasties, like the Jurchen (?) in the 12th century (he claimed they basically forced Chinese women into state-run brothels and regarded that as an example for what happens to peoples who neglect military virtues...). So maybe such views are spreading in China?

    My views are definitely spreading. Chinese Communist historiography and ethnic policy basically aped that established by Lenin. It also aped the Manchu Qing’s own false conception of their own history. Leftist views always benefit the barbarian savage and tend to underplay nativist nationalist sentiments.

    The late Austro-Hungarian empire’s military difficulties were exacerbated by the lack of elan among it’s multiethnic soldiers. Many of whom were not particularly keen on fighting too hard for what was at heart a German monarchy within which they played second fiddle. However, their people did enjoy a fair degree of representation even if not to the degree their numbers warranted and their Hapsburg Emperor was their still their rightful King by blood. The Han people, 95% of the empire’s population, made up maybe 5% of the Qing’s senior officials and their Qing Emperor’s had the blood usurpers. Is it any wonder that the Qing army proved so useless in resisting European incursions.

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  138. @Duke of Qin
    This is just wrong. The Manchu barbarians were never Sinicized, they were only ever loyal to their barbarian usurper selves. For example, the requirement of appointing Manchu officers for the new model army. The concentration of loyalist banner forces around Beijing. The laughable policy of favoring incompetent Manchu officials at all levels over more qualified Han Chinese, the farther up the ranks you go the more systemic it became. They "claimed" they represented China, but every single policy was aimed at weakening the social cohesion of the Han race and privileging Manchu's at their expense. As the dysfunctional foreign regime became more dysfunctional it also became even more manchufied until it ended up being entirely governed by a coterie of useless imperial princes. Do you even realize that the entire banner forces had essentially become a giant welfare program by the 18th century and because government revenue was so low, that they began kicking Chinese en mass out of the banner force so more gimmes could be paid to Mongols and Manchus? They obviously weren't Sinicized enough to not join up with the Japanese to found a Manchukuo puppet state.

    Let me give you another example of how treacherous these nomads are. The Xibe were a tribe, one of the last ones incorporated into the Manchu banners and in the 18th century they were basically sent out to Xinjiang as a garrison force. Their entire raison d'etre was to defend the frontiers of the Chinese state and keep the Turks in line. Now these nomadic scum, despite speaking Chinese, mouthing Confucian pieties, practicing Buddhism, etc not only failed to justify their very purpose, but turned traitor. End of WW2, Stalin started plotting as Stalin was wont to do and instigated a revolt in northern Xinjiang. The Uyghurs now claim this as their independent state of East Turkestan and Western journalists too stupid to ask questions repeat this claim. The Uyghurs who overwhelmingly inhabited the South remained loyal to the RoC. What it was, was a Soviet backed putsch by Kazakhs. A particular tribe of Kazakh scum who had only arrived in Xinjiang the 1920's after being given refuge from the Soviet collectivization by the Chinese (Germans take note that Muslim refugee ingratitude is a historically established pattern). They were lead by Russian officers, commands were issued in Russian and weapons were delivered by the Soviets and only replaced with captured Chinese weapons when it came time for plausible deniability. After it became clear that the Nationalists were losing the Civil War and Chinese Communist forces were winning, the Soviets disarmed them, and Stalin subsequently had their useful idiot leaders shot by firing squad after their usefulness came to an end. I meander a bit, but back to the Xibe who were supposed to have defended the Chinese state for 200 years actually ended up joining the Kazakh rebellion. Naturally the progression of rebel forces meant the rape, murder, and dispossession of Chinese communities in their path as is the standard operating mode of Turk looting bands. That is how loyal and sinicized the Manchu's were. They abandoned oaths of loyalty to defend Chinese interests to join their stupid steppe cousins to terrorize Han Chinese when the opportunity arose. To call them acculturated is to spit on the blood of my ancestors that they shed.

    Some of the Chinese history books have the same viewpoint as you. I remember reading that some of the Manchu families had not worked in 200 years but lived on government subsidizes just for being Manchu.

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    Just out of curiosity: are such textbooks currently available on the internet?
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  139. @Alden
    Qin , that’s a famous name going way, way back. Aren’t they the founders of China as China? Duke of Qin is familiar to me. Were they some warlords who became Emperors?

    I don’t like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity. Huns, Avars, Alans included. These bastards ruin civilization wherever they go and they still do. I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.

    Qin was a fiefdom, one of those granted by the Kings of Zhou, the first Chinese polity, to the Ying clan. A descendant of whom became the first emperor. Think of a European title like the Duke of Anjou. If a descendant of that Duke became emperor, he would rename the entire state the Empire of Anjou. That is where Chinese Dynastic state names tend to get their origin from, a practice that remained in effect until around 1280. Another tradition ruined by barbarians.

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    I don’t like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity.
     
    I think northern Chinese "Han" people have had considerable genetic input from "northern and eastern barbarians."
    , @Talha
    Hey Duke,

    I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.
     
    Would love to see that; "We comin' for Constantinople baby!" First they need to work on getting their population out of free fall though - just one of those things you need when you go to war - manpower.

    I fully support getting China out of its dismal fertility rate too - you guys produce really cute babies.

    And also pandas, because...pandas.

    Peace.
    , @Alden
    Thanks. It’s nice to meet someone who knows more about Chinese history than the Opium war on an internet site.
    , @Kamran
    Dude you are so fucking weird, Jesus Christ. Cucklin, why does fringe politics attract so many weird people?
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  140. @Thorfinnsson
    There seems to be some general pattern where hapa boys of a wm/af couple have trouble, whereas offspring of of am/wf parents are fine.

    And in any case you are a race traitor and miscegenationist so go to hell.

    Main purpose of my comment was to make people think twice about miscegenation, let alone celebrating it. I can understand why inferior races like negroes would race mix, but orientals and whites who destroy their lineage should be ashamed.

    And in any case you are a race traitor and miscegenationist so go to hell.

    Ever so classy.

    Besides, treason as such requires a legal body, e.g. the United States of America, to which I have pledged loyalty previously. Since there is no requirement for loyalty to a “race” – however it is defined – the whole concept of a “race traitor” collapses (except in the mind of a person such as you).

    While race is a very useful scientific and social concept, legal transgressions such as treason requires violation of discrete boundaries, which race – good or bad – does not have.

    As for hell, only my God knows. If I did, unfortunately and tragically, go to hell, I reckon it won’t be for “miscegenation,” but enjoying and not regretting the killings of America’s foreign enemies too much.

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  141. @Duke of Qin
    My righteous grudge is natural. It is the cause of justice, of civilized sedentary farming peoples everywhere to enjoy the fruits of their productive labour free from the looting and despoiling nature of the people of the steppes whose principal occupation for the past several millennia has been nothing more than banditry and parasitism, the success of which was based on nothing but the speed and number of their horses. Their cultures are dirt, their civilizations are dirt, their people are dirty thieves, and all they have to offer even today is more dirt.

    As to the Japanese, I don't care about them as they are presently an American satrapy and incapable of independent action. The Japanese made their go at empire, they failed and are a subject people now as a result of it. That they can't readily admit it because of their stiff pride is not my problem. Though I cant fault their pride as that would be pretty hypocritical.

    I love those Chinese historical movies The very best is a TV series 3 Kingdoms. It’s like a Chinese Game Thrones but it’s true history.

    The Emperor dies and his 3 sons start a 3 way civil war that goes on for years.

    It’s great wish I had the DVD

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  142. @Duke of Qin
    I don't like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity. Huns, Avars, Alans included. These bastards ruin civilization wherever they go and they still do. I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.

    Qin was a fiefdom, one of those granted by the Kings of Zhou, the first Chinese polity, to the Ying clan. A descendant of whom became the first emperor. Think of a European title like the Duke of Anjou. If a descendant of that Duke became emperor, he would rename the entire state the Empire of Anjou. That is where Chinese Dynastic state names tend to get their origin from, a practice that remained in effect until around 1280. Another tradition ruined by barbarians.

    I don’t like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity.

    I think northern Chinese “Han” people have had considerable genetic input from “northern and eastern barbarians.”

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    Pretty much exactly this. Northern Chinese have considerable input from early Han, Mongols, Koreans, etc. Southern Chinese were the traditional rice cultivators including the Yue kingdom. This has further been complicated by the power centers(and population) shifting from north to south during the Song, and then back north by the Ming.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/95/20/11763.full
    , @Duke of Qin
    You think wrong. The Northern Han have very little steppe ancestry and practically none from Koreans (it is the other way around, Northern Han gene flow into Korea).
    , @Third world nationalist
    The steppe could only support 2-3 million people maximum. While China's dense farming population was about 50-100 million till the Ming population explosion. I doubt that there would be significant genetic input from the steppe. Minor admixture i would agree.
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  143. @Lars Porsena
    The problem with your thesis is you're cherry picking. So you have evidence of defective self-loathing SJW hapas. You can blame that on interbreeding, but why is it that the defective hapas all have defective parents on both sides? The hapa who writes that longing for death website freely admits that his father was afraid to look people in the eye and crosses the street to avoid walking past larger men and had 0 social skills, and the mother's whole family was self-loathing and self destructive and prone to suicide. And of course they are a bunch of SJWs who accept no responsibility and blame the whole thing on society. You don't find it curious the AM/WF is supposedly better than the reverse? They've assimilated into diseased white SJWism that blames white males for their own mental dysfunction.

    Seriously read that website. That hapa's message isn't just that white guys are trash and no one wants them, but also asian men are worse than trash an no one wants them, and asian woman are trash and no one wants them (I notice the asian incel doesn't say anything about blonde women). He tells asian women that any white guy who even date them is automatically trash who can't do any better because no one would want them (that has to be blatantly toxic and abusive in a relationship, no wonder no one wants him! Systemic white supremacism is obviously the only explanation). The guy is a deranged loser trying to spread his misery because he blames everyone else for him being mentally unstable and self loathing.

    And again, by his own history, his white father was also self loathing and his chinese mother was also also self loathing (and killed herself).

    That defective white + defective asian = defective hapa proves nothing about miscegenation. It just proves apples fall off trees. I don't know what your politics is but look who you're siding with here, these people created r/althappa because they kicked everyone who was well adjusted out of their struggle session. This is a group that's self selected for mental illness probably on both sides of the tree.

    That defective white + defective asian = defective hapa proves nothing about miscegenation.

    Yes. Or it could just be that one guy is just mentally ill despite “normal” genes. Either way, it proves nothing.

    My children (half-white/half-East Asian) are all around 80-95 percentile in height for their respective ages, based on the white American chart. It shouldn’t surprise anyone, then, that I am around 6’2″ and my wife is 5’10″.

    It doesn’t mean all Hapas are tall, of course… just the ones with tall parents/genes + good nutrition.

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  144. @Duke of Qin
    I don't like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity. Huns, Avars, Alans included. These bastards ruin civilization wherever they go and they still do. I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.

    Qin was a fiefdom, one of those granted by the Kings of Zhou, the first Chinese polity, to the Ying clan. A descendant of whom became the first emperor. Think of a European title like the Duke of Anjou. If a descendant of that Duke became emperor, he would rename the entire state the Empire of Anjou. That is where Chinese Dynastic state names tend to get their origin from, a practice that remained in effect until around 1280. Another tradition ruined by barbarians.

    Hey Duke,

    I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.

    Would love to see that; “We comin’ for Constantinople baby!” First they need to work on getting their population out of free fall though – just one of those things you need when you go to war – manpower.

    I fully support getting China out of its dismal fertility rate too – you guys produce really cute babies.

    And also pandas, because…pandas.

    Peace.

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    manpower
     
    Specifically a lot of young people and less of these dudes:
    http://neoskosmos.com/news/en/migration-and-low-birth-rate-take-toll-on-Greek-population%20

    Especially if you want to take on someone 8 times your size. But hey, those old Greek guys might just surprise us all!

    Peace.
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  145. @RadicalCenter
    Maybe the fans at a Brooklyn NHL game are almost all white, but that's certainly not the case for the L.A. Kings (tons of Mexicans and some Asians and a little bit of everyone except Africans) or the Vancouver Canucks (tons of Asians).

    tons of Mexicans

    That doesn’t translate to a large number of individuals. Modern Mexicans are notoriously obese.

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  146. @Duke of Qin
    It's assortive mating. A good fraction of Eurasian children of WMAF are the children of socially maladjusted white men and women looking for a green card. For those children sufficiently self aware, this is akin to getting hit in the face with the fact that your mother is a whore and your father a John every time they look in the mirror with an additional racial edge. It is a literal scarlet letter that they are burdened with their entire lives. Bourgeoisie whites are too well socialized to ever publicly admit such thoughts but everyone is thinking it even if it is unvocalized.

    AMWF general come from an entirely oppositional dynamic where their socio-economic status in their respective communities tend to be significantly higher than their reverse gendered pairings.

    I agree though, down with race mixing. I want to preserve the patrimony left by my forefathers and want my descendants to work for the restoration of the Han race. To bring glory to my ancestors and bloodily avenge past injustices, not create another caste of rootless cosmopolitans.

    It’s assortive mating. A good fraction of Eurasian children of WMAF are the children of socially maladjusted white men and women looking for a green card…

    AMWF general come from an entirely oppositional dynamic where their socio-economic status in their respective communities tend to be significantly higher than their reverse gendered pairings.

    You are right, of course. The white male and Asian female pairings, especially among the older generations, include a large fraction of poorly matched couples of disparate backgrounds. Many of those were products of the American military presence in Asia.

    Today, however, even WMAF pairings are typically of the middle class variety between American-born partners. There is really a pretty noticeable generational difference in these pairings.

    As you pointed out, Asian male and white female couples, on the other hand, have been more “assortative” even in the past. My wife and I have been married a quarter century now, and even back then, our friends, families, and relatives all thought we were a very good match (same university, both high level athletes, both with doctorates, a very similar sense of absurdist humor, and both from highly traditional, Christian families).

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  147. White Nationals progress to Asian women because blacks take take the white woman. Pretty simple.

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  148. @Talha
    Hey Duke,

    I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.
     
    Would love to see that; "We comin' for Constantinople baby!" First they need to work on getting their population out of free fall though - just one of those things you need when you go to war - manpower.

    I fully support getting China out of its dismal fertility rate too - you guys produce really cute babies.

    And also pandas, because...pandas.

    Peace.

    manpower

    Specifically a lot of young people and less of these dudes:

    http://neoskosmos.com/news/en/migration-and-low-birth-rate-take-toll-on-Greek-population%20

    Especially if you want to take on someone 8 times your size. But hey, those old Greek guys might just surprise us all!

    Peace.

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  149. @Anonymous

    Whites get credit for that invention – greatest sport ever!

    Also, no lack of aggressive White males either. You remember when Konstantinov or Stevens would flip a guy in the air with a clean center-Ice check? Beautiful!

    Peace.
     
    It came from Indians (feather not dot): http://manataka.org/page2773.html

    It came from Indians (feather not dot): http://manataka.org/page2773.html

    Bandy may look like a gym teacher’s mad crossing of soccer and ice hockey, but it predates the creation of either, and was played throughout a more frigid England before global warming arrived in the Victorian era.

    Or at least that’s what they told us when we hosted the Bandy World Cup here back in the ’90s.

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  150. @Talha
    Whites get credit for that invention - greatest sport ever!

    Also, no lack of aggressive White males either. You remember when Konstantinov or Stevens would flip a guy in the air with a clean center-Ice check? Beautiful!

    Peace.

    Whites get credit for that invention – greatest sport ever!

    Until chessboxing arrived on the scene.

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  151. @Duke of Qin
    If by sentiments you mean getting back at Whitey? Then yes, among a certain sector of nationalist sentiment, however this isn't exactly what I meant or perhaps more accurately isn't entirely what I meant.

    The opium wars as I said were a farce and inconsequential, the boxer rebellion even more so. A mere superstitious peasant rebellion driven by drought and hatred of Christian converts thought to have caused it that disappeared the day the rains arrived and their Christians neighbors burnt out. My enmity for the sassanachs stems from their assistance render to the Qing government during the Taiping Rebellion.

    In cannonical Chinese story as tought by both the Communists and West is that the opium wars are the beginning China's so-called century of humiliation. This Whig history (read nonsense) simply isn't true. China's century of humiliation began much earlier and it was actually already two centuries. The problem was China simply wasn't sovereign at the time, the Qing government being an illegitimate regime of scheming barbarian scavengers who had by circumstance and race treason seized the throne for themselves and enslaved the Chinese race, the Han race (This is literally true as the institution of slavery was reintroduced by the Qing and Qing courtiers had to refer to themselves in the presence of their dog emperor as "Your slave" rather than "Your minister").

    There are many similarities between the simultaneous collapse of the Ming and the Thirty Years war, chiefly that the main beneficiaries of the internal warfare, economic collapse, and crazed anaptists, both happened to be foreigners. Sweden primarily in Germany's case and the Manchu scum in the case of China. In both cases, basically the fighting had rather than leading to decisive advantage lead to general chaos and an intense merciless power struggle between many competing groups. A more cohesive new force joined the fighting at an opportune time and was able to act as a loadstone to gather to it otherwise disorganized forces around and eventually press their advantage. This was basically how tiny Sweden managed to become overlord of half of Germany and built a sizable empire (until she lost to the Russians) and how the Manchu were able to attract and coalesce various Ming remnant forces after rebels had sacked Beijing leaving the legitimate emperor dead.

    Rather than the standard history of China having stagnated, it was regressed. The standard of living declined dramatically from the mid 17th century to the mid 19th century when the century of humiliation had began. In terms of per capita grain availabily, land, wages, etc Manchu misrule of China had cut incomes by a third. Even worse than the loss of wealth was the loss of purpose as the Manchu's in order to justify their heathen barbarian rule did irreparable damage to Chinese society via their literary inquisitions. 19th century China had been scarred like the areas of Southeastern Europe that had fallen to barbarian Ottoman Islamic rule and most Europeans should be familiar with how those nations faired compared to those that had safely been kept safe under the Austrian Catholic aegis. The damage that the Qing Manchu barbarians inflicted on China vastly overshadows what little the British let alone what the French and Germans had done (Basically nothing except inflate Wilhelm's vainglorious pretentions at home in Europe). The Great Sin of the British however was their support of the Qing court during the Taiping rebellion which was on course to topple Manchu rule. Instead British support aided the barbarian usurpers and let the decrepit Qing survive long past its smell date and it's rotting and clinging presence set up China's political troubles during the early Republic by fragmenting authority to regional elites.

    But of course all of this is generally not the standard interpretation of the period and instead Whig history prevails both in China and abroad so popular resentment is incorrectly directed at the British in particular (thoroughly deserved) and Westerners in general instead of at the illegitimate barbarians misrulers of China herself. Chinese history as it was understood during the Republican period actually more closely mirrors my understanding but the Communists marxist interpretation of history has washed all that away.

    Did you know that some of the California Chinese are descended from Taiping rebels who fled when the Imperial troops conquered them. They came in the 1830s & 40s before the Gold Rush, but not to San Francisco mostly Monterey.

    I guess from the point of Han trying to get their country back, the Opium war Taiping rebellion and retard Emperors was great. Not so good for everybody else.

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  152. @Duke of Qin
    This is just wrong. The Manchu barbarians were never Sinicized, they were only ever loyal to their barbarian usurper selves. For example, the requirement of appointing Manchu officers for the new model army. The concentration of loyalist banner forces around Beijing. The laughable policy of favoring incompetent Manchu officials at all levels over more qualified Han Chinese, the farther up the ranks you go the more systemic it became. They "claimed" they represented China, but every single policy was aimed at weakening the social cohesion of the Han race and privileging Manchu's at their expense. As the dysfunctional foreign regime became more dysfunctional it also became even more manchufied until it ended up being entirely governed by a coterie of useless imperial princes. Do you even realize that the entire banner forces had essentially become a giant welfare program by the 18th century and because government revenue was so low, that they began kicking Chinese en mass out of the banner force so more gimmes could be paid to Mongols and Manchus? They obviously weren't Sinicized enough to not join up with the Japanese to found a Manchukuo puppet state.

    Let me give you another example of how treacherous these nomads are. The Xibe were a tribe, one of the last ones incorporated into the Manchu banners and in the 18th century they were basically sent out to Xinjiang as a garrison force. Their entire raison d'etre was to defend the frontiers of the Chinese state and keep the Turks in line. Now these nomadic scum, despite speaking Chinese, mouthing Confucian pieties, practicing Buddhism, etc not only failed to justify their very purpose, but turned traitor. End of WW2, Stalin started plotting as Stalin was wont to do and instigated a revolt in northern Xinjiang. The Uyghurs now claim this as their independent state of East Turkestan and Western journalists too stupid to ask questions repeat this claim. The Uyghurs who overwhelmingly inhabited the South remained loyal to the RoC. What it was, was a Soviet backed putsch by Kazakhs. A particular tribe of Kazakh scum who had only arrived in Xinjiang the 1920's after being given refuge from the Soviet collectivization by the Chinese (Germans take note that Muslim refugee ingratitude is a historically established pattern). They were lead by Russian officers, commands were issued in Russian and weapons were delivered by the Soviets and only replaced with captured Chinese weapons when it came time for plausible deniability. After it became clear that the Nationalists were losing the Civil War and Chinese Communist forces were winning, the Soviets disarmed them, and Stalin subsequently had their useful idiot leaders shot by firing squad after their usefulness came to an end. I meander a bit, but back to the Xibe who were supposed to have defended the Chinese state for 200 years actually ended up joining the Kazakh rebellion. Naturally the progression of rebel forces meant the rape, murder, and dispossession of Chinese communities in their path as is the standard operating mode of Turk looting bands. That is how loyal and sinicized the Manchu's were. They abandoned oaths of loyalty to defend Chinese interests to join their stupid steppe cousins to terrorize Han Chinese when the opportunity arose. To call them acculturated is to spit on the blood of my ancestors that they shed.

    The laughable policy of favoring incompetent Manchu officials at all levels over more qualified Han Chinese, the farther up the ranks you go the more systemic it became. They “claimed” they represented China, but every single policy was aimed at weakening the social cohesion of the Han race and privileging Manchu’s at their expense.

    Of course. The Manchu had seen what had happened to the Yuan and likewise were not in any capability to actually rule a large nation, so they practiced brutal oppression of the majority. Nonetheless, Chinese territory expanded significantly beneath the Qin dynasty.

    Its not really like the Han-run Ming Dynasty made brilliant decisions, starting with isolating themselves from the world. Corruption was rife and constant factional struggles led eventually to Wei Zhongxian to destroy capable officials as brilliantly as any northern barbarian. Toward the end, the bankrupt nation wasn’t even paying soldiers on time.

    Ultimately, it was internal weakness that invited invaders – literally, with the Manchu.

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  153. @Duke of Qin
    I don't like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity. Huns, Avars, Alans included. These bastards ruin civilization wherever they go and they still do. I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.

    Qin was a fiefdom, one of those granted by the Kings of Zhou, the first Chinese polity, to the Ying clan. A descendant of whom became the first emperor. Think of a European title like the Duke of Anjou. If a descendant of that Duke became emperor, he would rename the entire state the Empire of Anjou. That is where Chinese Dynastic state names tend to get their origin from, a practice that remained in effect until around 1280. Another tradition ruined by barbarians.

    Thanks. It’s nice to meet someone who knows more about Chinese history than the Opium war on an internet site.

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  154. @Anonymous
    White Nationals progress to Asian women because blacks take take the white woman. Pretty simple.

    You need to get out more.

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  155. @Twinkie

    I don’t like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity.
     
    I think northern Chinese "Han" people have had considerable genetic input from "northern and eastern barbarians."

    Pretty much exactly this. Northern Chinese have considerable input from early Han, Mongols, Koreans, etc. Southern Chinese were the traditional rice cultivators including the Yue kingdom. This has further been complicated by the power centers(and population) shifting from north to south during the Song, and then back north by the Ming.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/95/20/11763.full

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  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    I am not, in general, a big fan of miscegenation, but there is one good argument in favor of it: it reduces the incidence of genetic disease. Once, many years ago, I was at a party, and a Colombian doctor pointed out that pure-bread dogs tended to have all kinds of weird genetic conditions, whereas mutts could survive all conditions. "Some of these mutts," he told me, "you couldn't even kill with a shotgun." Slight hyperbole, but scientifically speaking, valid.

    Mutts are usually healthier than most commonly available purebred dogs, but most are worthless if you are buying the animal to actually do anything, i.e., a hunting dog, sheep herding dog, whatever.

    I don’t know about crosses of closely related working or hunting breeds-if you cross a labrador dog to a golden retriever bitch, both of which retrieve really well, will the pups be less inclined to be effective retrievers than had you found the “correct” sire or dam?

    Also, the popular on-purpose crosses commercially available, like the labradoodle, peek-a-poo, et al, are often made by breeding a sire and dam (or at least the dam) of lesser quality than would be used to breed purebred dogs, because there is no consideration of quality by a kennel club or knowledgeable buyers. Such dogs can be great pets or worthless. But if you just want a pet you should not be going to a breeder, you should get a rescue or pound dog or get a pup from the neighbors whose Dixibelle got knocked up when she got out the gate while in heat.

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  157. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @britishbrainsize
    "slam zipper pussy when it’s available"in your dreams nerd boy.Asian women can smell your blonde bad immune system ass and laugh in your face.

    I identify as a 14 Words White Nationalist today, but in my younger days was a “right leaning libertarian” and actually mostly believed in racial equalitarianism.

    Back in my 20s I preferred and was moderately successful in hooking up with Japanese girls. I had sex with quite a few of them, as well as a Chinese or two, one Korean, one Iranian, and a couple of “light mestizas”. I very seriously doubt I fathered any children with any of them-I always used rubbers and ever had one break, for one thing.

    When I decided this race-doesn’t-matter thing was bogus I ceased and desisted from such behavior permanently. I regret having done it now. I think of those girls’ fathers.

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  158. @Duke of Qin
    This is just wrong. The Manchu barbarians were never Sinicized, they were only ever loyal to their barbarian usurper selves. For example, the requirement of appointing Manchu officers for the new model army. The concentration of loyalist banner forces around Beijing. The laughable policy of favoring incompetent Manchu officials at all levels over more qualified Han Chinese, the farther up the ranks you go the more systemic it became. They "claimed" they represented China, but every single policy was aimed at weakening the social cohesion of the Han race and privileging Manchu's at their expense. As the dysfunctional foreign regime became more dysfunctional it also became even more manchufied until it ended up being entirely governed by a coterie of useless imperial princes. Do you even realize that the entire banner forces had essentially become a giant welfare program by the 18th century and because government revenue was so low, that they began kicking Chinese en mass out of the banner force so more gimmes could be paid to Mongols and Manchus? They obviously weren't Sinicized enough to not join up with the Japanese to found a Manchukuo puppet state.

    Let me give you another example of how treacherous these nomads are. The Xibe were a tribe, one of the last ones incorporated into the Manchu banners and in the 18th century they were basically sent out to Xinjiang as a garrison force. Their entire raison d'etre was to defend the frontiers of the Chinese state and keep the Turks in line. Now these nomadic scum, despite speaking Chinese, mouthing Confucian pieties, practicing Buddhism, etc not only failed to justify their very purpose, but turned traitor. End of WW2, Stalin started plotting as Stalin was wont to do and instigated a revolt in northern Xinjiang. The Uyghurs now claim this as their independent state of East Turkestan and Western journalists too stupid to ask questions repeat this claim. The Uyghurs who overwhelmingly inhabited the South remained loyal to the RoC. What it was, was a Soviet backed putsch by Kazakhs. A particular tribe of Kazakh scum who had only arrived in Xinjiang the 1920's after being given refuge from the Soviet collectivization by the Chinese (Germans take note that Muslim refugee ingratitude is a historically established pattern). They were lead by Russian officers, commands were issued in Russian and weapons were delivered by the Soviets and only replaced with captured Chinese weapons when it came time for plausible deniability. After it became clear that the Nationalists were losing the Civil War and Chinese Communist forces were winning, the Soviets disarmed them, and Stalin subsequently had their useful idiot leaders shot by firing squad after their usefulness came to an end. I meander a bit, but back to the Xibe who were supposed to have defended the Chinese state for 200 years actually ended up joining the Kazakh rebellion. Naturally the progression of rebel forces meant the rape, murder, and dispossession of Chinese communities in their path as is the standard operating mode of Turk looting bands. That is how loyal and sinicized the Manchu's were. They abandoned oaths of loyalty to defend Chinese interests to join their stupid steppe cousins to terrorize Han Chinese when the opportunity arose. To call them acculturated is to spit on the blood of my ancestors that they shed.

    And if you want to speak of ancestral blood, my family was able to hold official titles for hundreds of years, through two dynasties; we had buried bones in Pudong for so long that it even held grave goods and treasures that we had family lore to excavate “in the event of emergency.” Now the Communists have put an airport directly over our ancestral graves, so much for the ghosts. Do you realize how many generations of imperial examinations we must have aced, and struggled through including the centuries under active anti-Han Qing administration?

    Yet I am essentially one of the last branches of my family. It wasn’t the Manchus that eradicated us, no, but other Han(and some help from Japanese) thanks to our solid support of the KMT. Should I hold a particular grudge for other Han now because the Communists targeted us for being “landowners?” That actually took the effort to try to wipe out an entire family tree?

    You speak of blood, we died at Shanghai against the Imperial Japanese, we died against the Communists on the mainland, we died to protect the Taiwanese and Lord Chiang(or rather, his ambitions) on Kinmen. In the end, my grandfather was the only survivor of an entire clan.

    And look at how grateful Taiwanese are now for the sacrifices of the KMT. I particularly loved the one who wanted to explain how Taiwan should be Japanese, so much did he hate being Chinese/Han.

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  159. @German_reader

    but after they inherited the Qing dynasty they had to play down the anti manchu sentiment if they did not the country might disintergrate
     
    If I understand correctly that relates to the traditionally non-Han areas like Xinjiang and Tibet that were brought under control/suzerainty by the Qing (also Manchuria of course), because for keeping them it was advantageous to regard the Qing as a genuinely Chinese dynasty?
    It's always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that's quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today (my own country being an extreme example, there is no history here anymore except 1933-45).

    If we claim that the Manchurian Qing is foreign then it would have just given credibility to the Japanese imperialist vision of an independent manchuko. It was much better to claim Qing as an Chinese dynasty to put into question the Japanese puppet state of Manchuko.

    But this is because history is written in retrospect. Most southern Han during the time were anti Qing and viewed the Manchus as barbarians.

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    Manchuria was a gift of the Manchu emperors to the Han Chinese. The Han Chinese would probably not have been able to conquer it themselves until the Russians showed up (and then it wouldn’t be a part of China). So they should be grateful for it.
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  160. @Third world nationalist
    If we claim that the Manchurian Qing is foreign then it would have just given credibility to the Japanese imperialist vision of an independent manchuko. It was much better to claim Qing as an Chinese dynasty to put into question the Japanese puppet state of Manchuko.

    But this is because history is written in retrospect. Most southern Han during the time were anti Qing and viewed the Manchus as barbarians.

    Manchuria was a gift of the Manchu emperors to the Han Chinese. The Han Chinese would probably not have been able to conquer it themselves until the Russians showed up (and then it wouldn’t be a part of China). So they should be grateful for it.

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    Manchuria didn't exist until the 19th century. Rather it conflates two historical separate areas. The Northern sector of Heilongjiang and parts of Jilin were barbarians lands. Southern Manchuria, i.e. Liaoning has been Chinese long before the Manchus showed up.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    A very dubious gift. The Han Chinese Ming had powerful armies and excellent commanders at their heydays - defeating even Europeans repeatedly in Portuguese and Dutch conflicts on both land and sea. However, mandarins usually advised against territorial conquest since it was seen as an expensive and bloody venture, and Manchuria was like a lot of lands there: poorly arable and inhospitable and really hard to justify colonizing(on top of a closed off mentality).

    To this day, the lands are mostly useless.

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  161. @Duke of Qin
    This is just wrong. The Manchu barbarians were never Sinicized, they were only ever loyal to their barbarian usurper selves. For example, the requirement of appointing Manchu officers for the new model army. The concentration of loyalist banner forces around Beijing. The laughable policy of favoring incompetent Manchu officials at all levels over more qualified Han Chinese, the farther up the ranks you go the more systemic it became. They "claimed" they represented China, but every single policy was aimed at weakening the social cohesion of the Han race and privileging Manchu's at their expense. As the dysfunctional foreign regime became more dysfunctional it also became even more manchufied until it ended up being entirely governed by a coterie of useless imperial princes. Do you even realize that the entire banner forces had essentially become a giant welfare program by the 18th century and because government revenue was so low, that they began kicking Chinese en mass out of the banner force so more gimmes could be paid to Mongols and Manchus? They obviously weren't Sinicized enough to not join up with the Japanese to found a Manchukuo puppet state.

    Let me give you another example of how treacherous these nomads are. The Xibe were a tribe, one of the last ones incorporated into the Manchu banners and in the 18th century they were basically sent out to Xinjiang as a garrison force. Their entire raison d'etre was to defend the frontiers of the Chinese state and keep the Turks in line. Now these nomadic scum, despite speaking Chinese, mouthing Confucian pieties, practicing Buddhism, etc not only failed to justify their very purpose, but turned traitor. End of WW2, Stalin started plotting as Stalin was wont to do and instigated a revolt in northern Xinjiang. The Uyghurs now claim this as their independent state of East Turkestan and Western journalists too stupid to ask questions repeat this claim. The Uyghurs who overwhelmingly inhabited the South remained loyal to the RoC. What it was, was a Soviet backed putsch by Kazakhs. A particular tribe of Kazakh scum who had only arrived in Xinjiang the 1920's after being given refuge from the Soviet collectivization by the Chinese (Germans take note that Muslim refugee ingratitude is a historically established pattern). They were lead by Russian officers, commands were issued in Russian and weapons were delivered by the Soviets and only replaced with captured Chinese weapons when it came time for plausible deniability. After it became clear that the Nationalists were losing the Civil War and Chinese Communist forces were winning, the Soviets disarmed them, and Stalin subsequently had their useful idiot leaders shot by firing squad after their usefulness came to an end. I meander a bit, but back to the Xibe who were supposed to have defended the Chinese state for 200 years actually ended up joining the Kazakh rebellion. Naturally the progression of rebel forces meant the rape, murder, and dispossession of Chinese communities in their path as is the standard operating mode of Turk looting bands. That is how loyal and sinicized the Manchu's were. They abandoned oaths of loyalty to defend Chinese interests to join their stupid steppe cousins to terrorize Han Chinese when the opportunity arose. To call them acculturated is to spit on the blood of my ancestors that they shed.

    I wasn’t aware of this history – thank you for explaining it. Fascinating.

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  162. @Daniel Chieh
    Its hard not to see the Manchu as invaders because, well, they were. Much as the Mongols were. However, they were basically sinicized for all practical purposes as seems to be fate of people who invade China. That has been seen as a kind of pride - that victory at arms never is followed by cultural victory, and therefore is seen as the sign of superior culture in spite of inferior force of arms(though of course, the latter is significantly more complicated due to internal chaos, etc, which were taken advantage of by the barbarians).

    That the West did not suffer the same cultural fate after their victory was exceptional.

    All of China’s previous conquerors were less cultured and less literate than the Chinese. Sinicization is inevitable if your bureaucracy (tax gatherers) are all Chinese, if all the relevant interesting culture is produced in Chinese, etc.

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  163. @TheJester
    White men with an Asian fetish?

    A cameo. I was part of a USAF aircrew that did a "remain overnight" (RON) at an airbase in Asia. We went to the Officer's Club to tip a few. It was telling the way the night unfolded.

    I looked on the dance floor and noticed that every white male officer on the floor (local and transient) was with a local girl. They were mesmerized by the Asian women as they should be -- beautiful, feminine, alluring, receptive. There were no White women on the dance floor.

    There were a number of white female officers sitting on chairs along a back wall. I think the appropriate term is "wallflower". They got the message. Their strained expressions said it all.

    ---------------

    The dating website OKCupid collects and post data and analysis on racial preferences across multiple years. The dataset comes from 25 million accounts.

    https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060

    In 2009, White men showed a 6% preference for Asian women, a -18% preference for Black women, a 2% preference for Latina women, and a 10% preference for White women. Notice that almost half of the White men preferred non-White women ... 8% preference for non-White women vs. a 10% preference for White women.

    In 2014, White men showed a 9% preference for Asian women (+3), a -17% preference for Black women (+1), a 3% preference for Latina women (+1), and a 6% preference for White women (-4). Notice that five years later that White men showed a 12% preference for non-White women vs. a 6% preference for White women.

    Ironically, in spite of gender feminism and its attempts to masculinize women and emasculate men, White men remain the favored preference for White women ... and the aggregate preference of women of all races. In 2009, White women showed a 17% preference for White men. In 2014, that preference was 19% (+2).

    Sorry, ladies, White men are looking elsewhere in ever greater numbers. Perhaps time to pay more attention to being feminine, alluring, and receptive ... with less emphasis on being whiny and needy victims of the White Male Patriarchy. You've got competition.

    Hmmm, looks like asian men are thoroughly cucked. At least asian guys can sit on the sidelines and watch as the arabs,pakis,africans cuck white men and slowly take over Europe neighborhood block and schadenfreude as the mestizos reclaim California,Arizona and Texas.

    Don’t know how things will turn out in US due to the Trump effect but once the next leftist democrat President gets elected. I hope he/she opens the floodgates again to hyper aggressive,low inhibtion africans,arabs and mestizos!

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  164. @Twinkie

    I don’t like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity.
     
    I think northern Chinese "Han" people have had considerable genetic input from "northern and eastern barbarians."

    You think wrong. The Northern Han have very little steppe ancestry and practically none from Koreans (it is the other way around, Northern Han gene flow into Korea).

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    Northern Chinese genetics definitely show closer relation with northern groups, though it could be from an ancestor population that no longer exists.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2011139

    Analysis:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/07/how-chinese-genetics-is-like-chinese-food/

    And specifically this image:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/07/chinapca.jpg

    , @Twinkie

    You think wrong. The Northern Han have very little steppe ancestry and practically none from Koreans (it is the other way around, Northern Han gene flow into Korea).
     
    I am not a geneticist by any means, but I think Northern Han are much more genetically shifted toward eastern Siberian (not "steppe")/northern Manchurian genes than Southern Han people. The Han people are, more or less, on a north-south spectrum in their genetic clustering (with some exceptions due to later colonizations, e.g. Sichuan).

    Your Han purism is unscientific.
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  165. @reiner Tor
    Manchuria was a gift of the Manchu emperors to the Han Chinese. The Han Chinese would probably not have been able to conquer it themselves until the Russians showed up (and then it wouldn’t be a part of China). So they should be grateful for it.

    Manchuria didn’t exist until the 19th century. Rather it conflates two historical separate areas. The Northern sector of Heilongjiang and parts of Jilin were barbarians lands. Southern Manchuria, i.e. Liaoning has been Chinese long before the Manchus showed up.

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    Of course not all women only care about aggression in men, they want status too. White men, despite I suspect many here would disagree, still have the highest status in the West and really the world at large...but find high status whites and more aggressive ones at that a winning combination.
     
    You can just say Jewish.
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  166. @Twinkie

    I don’t like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity.
     
    I think northern Chinese "Han" people have had considerable genetic input from "northern and eastern barbarians."

    The steppe could only support 2-3 million people maximum. While China’s dense farming population was about 50-100 million till the Ming population explosion. I doubt that there would be significant genetic input from the steppe. Minor admixture i would agree.

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  167. @reiner Tor
    Manchuria was a gift of the Manchu emperors to the Han Chinese. The Han Chinese would probably not have been able to conquer it themselves until the Russians showed up (and then it wouldn’t be a part of China). So they should be grateful for it.

    A very dubious gift. The Han Chinese Ming had powerful armies and excellent commanders at their heydays – defeating even Europeans repeatedly in Portuguese and Dutch conflicts on both land and sea. However, mandarins usually advised against territorial conquest since it was seen as an expensive and bloody venture, and Manchuria was like a lot of lands there: poorly arable and inhospitable and really hard to justify colonizing(on top of a closed off mentality).

    To this day, the lands are mostly useless.

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  168. @Duke of Qin
    You think wrong. The Northern Han have very little steppe ancestry and practically none from Koreans (it is the other way around, Northern Han gene flow into Korea).

    Northern Chinese genetics definitely show closer relation with northern groups, though it could be from an ancestor population that no longer exists.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2011139

    Analysis:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/07/how-chinese-genetics-is-like-chinese-food/

    And specifically this image:

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    And specifically this image:
     
    And where in the image: the Koreans?
    , @Lars Porsena
    Interesting that the Japanese look to be in between the north Chinese and the Mongolians. Normally these genetic distance maps end up looking (or at least are capable of being portrayed looking) like geography, with physically neighboring groups being closer related, but that's one I wouldn't have guessed. Where do the Koreans fit in, Mongolian groups?
    , @Twinkie

    Northern Chinese genetics definitely show closer relation with northern groups, though it could be from an ancestor population that no longer exists.
     
    I think it's VERY likely that both Northern Chinese and Koreans/Japanese had substantial infusion of eastern Siberian gene flow in prehistoric and ancient times. It's probably more accurate to say that there was gene flow from ancestor populations that no longer exist in their earlier forms. In other words, both Northern Chinese and Koreans/Japanese probably have a good deal of genes from people the ancient Chinese called "Dong Hu."
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  169. @Daniel Chieh
    Northern Chinese genetics definitely show closer relation with northern groups, though it could be from an ancestor population that no longer exists.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2011139

    Analysis:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/07/how-chinese-genetics-is-like-chinese-food/

    And specifically this image:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/07/chinapca.jpg

    And specifically this image:

    And where in the image: the Koreans?

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    IIRC there is a single proto-group that is typified by typical East Asian traits(EDAR gene, lactose intolerance, etc) that spread across East Asia including the Korean. The Koreans themselves have added admixture from both northern and southern groups.

    http://www.scmp.com/tech/science-research/article/2067820/research-reveals-koreans-genetic-roots

    They're really close to the Japanese, though they probably wouldn't be fond of thinking about that.
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  170. @Daniel Chieh
    Northern Chinese genetics definitely show closer relation with northern groups, though it could be from an ancestor population that no longer exists.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2011139

    Analysis:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/07/how-chinese-genetics-is-like-chinese-food/

    And specifically this image:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/07/chinapca.jpg

    Interesting that the Japanese look to be in between the north Chinese and the Mongolians. Normally these genetic distance maps end up looking (or at least are capable of being portrayed looking) like geography, with physically neighboring groups being closer related, but that’s one I wouldn’t have guessed. Where do the Koreans fit in, Mongolian groups?

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    Interesting that the Japanese look to be in between the north Chinese and the Mongolians.
     
    That appears to reflect the Altaic heritage of the aboriginal Japanese. There was migration of that group to the coast down the Amur River and across a land bridge to Japan with the worsening of the late Pleistocene climate. They absorbed the Austronesian group that had migrated by the sea route and gave rise to the Jomon culture. Chinese admixture started around the First Millennium BCE and gave rise to the Yayoi culture. The closest modern analog to the original Altaic migrants are the Ainu on Hokkaido, although it appears they are genetically distinct from the Jomon.
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  171. @Lars Porsena
    Interesting that the Japanese look to be in between the north Chinese and the Mongolians. Normally these genetic distance maps end up looking (or at least are capable of being portrayed looking) like geography, with physically neighboring groups being closer related, but that's one I wouldn't have guessed. Where do the Koreans fit in, Mongolian groups?

    Interesting that the Japanese look to be in between the north Chinese and the Mongolians.

    That appears to reflect the Altaic heritage of the aboriginal Japanese. There was migration of that group to the coast down the Amur River and across a land bridge to Japan with the worsening of the late Pleistocene climate. They absorbed the Austronesian group that had migrated by the sea route and gave rise to the Jomon culture. Chinese admixture started around the First Millennium BCE and gave rise to the Yayoi culture. The closest modern analog to the original Altaic migrants are the Ainu on Hokkaido, although it appears they are genetically distinct from the Jomon.

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  172. @melanf

    And specifically this image:
     
    And where in the image: the Koreans?

    IIRC there is a single proto-group that is typified by typical East Asian traits(EDAR gene, lactose intolerance, etc) that spread across East Asia including the Korean. The Koreans themselves have added admixture from both northern and southern groups.

    http://www.scmp.com/tech/science-research/article/2067820/research-reveals-koreans-genetic-roots

    They’re really close to the Japanese, though they probably wouldn’t be fond of thinking about that.

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    They’re really close to the Japanese, though they probably wouldn’t be fond of thinking about that.

    Does this mean that we white eyes are off the hook if we can't immediately differentiate between Koreans and Japanese?
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  173. @Daniel Chieh
    IIRC there is a single proto-group that is typified by typical East Asian traits(EDAR gene, lactose intolerance, etc) that spread across East Asia including the Korean. The Koreans themselves have added admixture from both northern and southern groups.

    http://www.scmp.com/tech/science-research/article/2067820/research-reveals-koreans-genetic-roots

    They're really close to the Japanese, though they probably wouldn't be fond of thinking about that.

    They’re really close to the Japanese, though they probably wouldn’t be fond of thinking about that.

    Does this mean that we white eyes are off the hook if we can’t immediately differentiate between Koreans and Japanese?

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    Its always been rather silly. Both populations have huge influence from an ancestral O-M176 haplogroup, although technically the Japanese have an unique D haplogroup and Koreans bits of the mainland North Chinese O3 and small traces of Mongolian C3.

    Overall, Japanese face is generally longer, while the Korean face has a more prominent jaw and higher cheekbones. For some reason, the Korean population apparently has a subgroup with more Caucasian features, and I'm not sure why(something I need to research).

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  174. @iffen
    They’re really close to the Japanese, though they probably wouldn’t be fond of thinking about that.

    Does this mean that we white eyes are off the hook if we can't immediately differentiate between Koreans and Japanese?

    Its always been rather silly. Both populations have huge influence from an ancestral O-M176 haplogroup, although technically the Japanese have an unique D haplogroup and Koreans bits of the mainland North Chinese O3 and small traces of Mongolian C3.

    Overall, Japanese face is generally longer, while the Korean face has a more prominent jaw and higher cheekbones. For some reason, the Korean population apparently has a subgroup with more Caucasian features, and I’m not sure why(something I need to research).

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    For some reason, the Korean population apparently has a subgroup with more Caucasian features, and I’m not sure why(something I need to research).
     
    I am lactose tolerant, 6'2" tall, very fair, have double eyelids and "big eyes," long (for an East Asian) nose, and have reddish body/facial hair. I'm also quite hairy - a lot of people say I am the hairiest Asian they ever met. I can grow a full, red-tinged, beard. Someone on Razib Khan's blog told me that the red hair is from eastern (Asian) Neanderthal genes.

    My wife thinks that the Asian celebrity I most resemble is Takeshi Kaneshiro.

    I had my genetic ancestry testing done, and I did come out as 10% shared with modern Mongolians (and 99.9% shared with modern East Asians and 0.1% shared with Native Americans), and something like 4-5 times more likely than average East Asian to have light eyes and light hair. I have caramel eyes and black hair, but have children with green eyes and red/brown/blondish hair (my wife is 99.9% Northwestern European, almost entirely British/Irish, German, and Scandinavian).
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  175. @Talha
    Hey Greasy,

    They both told me that nobody in Pakistan gives a shit about the ethnic divisions in the country. Are you saying they were wrong?
     
    In general this is true, but just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The whole raison detre for Pakistan is that a bunch of various majority-Muslim ethnic groups decided that a religious national identity meant more than their various ethno-linguistic identities.

    So for instance, I have learned quite a bit from Islamic scholars and teachers from Pakistan that are Punjabi - but they are Punjabi and I am not.

    Another example are how various groups wear their headdress; the Balochis wear their turban a specific way:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=balochi+turban&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5j86Cj87YAhULyWMKHQ-zDl0QsAQIKA&biw=1344&bih=774

    And the Sindhis like to wear their caps, but which are distinct from everyone else:
    https://www.google.com/search?biw=1344&bih=774&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=wmdWWv8rjNyPA4zvvqAG&q=sindhi+cap&oq=sindhi+cap&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l7j0i30k1l2j0i24k1.102941.104741.0.105108.10.9.0.1.1.0.155.1150.0j9.9.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.10.1157...0i67k1.0.z5LAVy77OAc

    The point is to enjoy the differences (especially the various foods) and not make a big deal out of them. So mostly people don't care about differences, and a lot of intermarriage occurs - my family married into Afghans and Punjabis and many people are bi-lingual or more. But sometimes ethnic divisions due come up if one group feels unfairly marginalized or if their is nepotism, etc. There has been a low-level insurgency in Balochistan for a while now. Same old, same old.

    Peace.

    Don’t forget there are more “Afghans” in Pakistan than there are in Afghanistan.

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    Possibly - but they are true Afghans. One must remember that Afghans don’t feel they need to recognize the Durand Line - and I don’t blame them. Either way, whether in Afghanistan or Pakistan, their identity of being Afghan does not change.

    Peace.
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  176. @Anon
    Don't forget there are more "Afghans" in Pakistan than there are in Afghanistan.

    Possibly – but they are true Afghans. One must remember that Afghans don’t feel they need to recognize the Durand Line – and I don’t blame them. Either way, whether in Afghanistan or Pakistan, their identity of being Afghan does not change.

    Peace.

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    I put "Afghans" in quotes because there's some ambiguity-- for me it means "Pathans" when used as an ethnicity, but it can also mean "people of Afghanistan" in some other contexts.
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  177. @Backwoods Bob
    That fugly author painfully labored to pretend she is confused by "white supremacists" marrying Asians.

    Feminism has always been based upon lies but it has become a hysterical noise machine.

    I married an Asian because she was hot, young, and loves me for laying down the bacon and slapping her ass every time she's close enough to swat.

    There isn't a hint of feminism in these beautiful East Asian units guys. They love men to pieces.

    What kind of a retard would choose a fugly Asian? The fugly strain causes feminism. Even in lab rats.

    The fugly strain causes feminism.

    There’s no question about that. There’s a very high correlation between fugliness and feminism.

    And as several commenters alluded to, there’s a remarkably high correlation between horrible personalities and feminism.

    Feminism is for the sorts of women who can’t get decent men. That’s why feminism is so popular with Hollywood actresses. There aren’t any decent men in Hollywood.

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  178. @Daniel Chieh
    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common, as is being pro-German due to Sino-German cooperation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_1926%E2%80%931941

    Its not really per se about the Boxers. Its the overall humiliation experienced. Chinese forces were curbstomped ridiculously beyond their imagination by the British, and there were various other forms of indignities that for one reason or another, the Germans never indulged in.

    The Germans also helped create the popular beer Tsingtao which is hard not to appreciate.Silly, no? But beer has significant soft cultural power.

    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common

    Being pissed at the British in some form is pretty common among lots of people. My grandfather hated the guts of the British until his dying day. As an Australian he fought the Turks on behalf of the British in WW1. He came back to Australia thinking the Turks were pretty OK people but my God he hated the British.

    Among Australians of the WW2 generation anti-British hatred was pretty common too.

    And even today you think twice about mentioning Winston Churchill to an Australian.

    It’s almost as if the aim of British foreign policy for the past couple of centuries has been to make other people hate them.

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  179. @German_reader

    but after they inherited the Qing dynasty they had to play down the anti manchu sentiment if they did not the country might disintergrate
     
    If I understand correctly that relates to the traditionally non-Han areas like Xinjiang and Tibet that were brought under control/suzerainty by the Qing (also Manchuria of course), because for keeping them it was advantageous to regard the Qing as a genuinely Chinese dynasty?
    It's always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that's quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today (my own country being an extreme example, there is no history here anymore except 1933-45).

    It’s always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that’s quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today

    You’d be amazed how hot under the collar many Englishmen still get about things like the Civil War (mid-17th century). Not long ago I got into a fierce argument over the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and I was accused of being a Jacobite traitor. And try suggesting to an Englishman that Elizabeth I was actually a disastrous and incompetent monarch. Or that the execution of Mary Queen of Scots was simple murder.

    I’ve even witnessed some extraordinarily nasty arguments over whether Richard III really did murder the Princes in the Tower and that’s going back over 500 years.

    Australians just don’t have a long enough history to match that. Although I’m still pretty bitter about the British dragging us into the First World War and sending young Australians off to invade the Ottoman Empire.

    People who take an intense interest in history do tend to get quite passionate about it.

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    In Hungary some people criticize the first king István for having murdered pagans (including a vast number of his own relatives, real or potential pretenders to the throne), and that goes back a thousand years. Though I think it’s all mostly based on a very popular early 1980s rock opera, so this debate really just goes back a few decades.

    I think many of these seemingly very old debates have long ago been forgotten, but then revived in some later age, often based on faulty understanding of the issue at hand. People then believe they represent an ancient viewpoint, when in fact probably no one at the time thought like these modern people.

    , @German_reader

    You’d be amazed how hot under the collar many Englishmen still get about things like the Civil War (mid-17th century). Not long ago I got into a fierce argument over the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and I was accused of being a Jacobite traitor.
     
    I sort of understand...my father's English, and has at times stated his regret that Britain didn't have a strong monarchy like on the continent in the 17th/18th centuries, with non-conformists just being burned at the stake (he regards them as partly responsible for later subversive developments)...maybe a bit extreme, but views of that past can still be important for people's self-conception, even though the actual issues have long since faded into obscurity.

    Although I’m still pretty bitter about the British dragging us into the First World War and sending young Australians off to invade the Ottoman Empire.
     
    I know, that's one of your foundation myths, isn't it (though one that will unfortunately be lost, I'd suppose, since it can't mean much to all those "new" Australians)?
    Germany just is very different, in public discourse historical memory really has shrunk down to 1933-1945 and little else.
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  180. @dfordoom

    It’s always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that’s quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today
     
    You'd be amazed how hot under the collar many Englishmen still get about things like the Civil War (mid-17th century). Not long ago I got into a fierce argument over the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and I was accused of being a Jacobite traitor. And try suggesting to an Englishman that Elizabeth I was actually a disastrous and incompetent monarch. Or that the execution of Mary Queen of Scots was simple murder.

    I've even witnessed some extraordinarily nasty arguments over whether Richard III really did murder the Princes in the Tower and that's going back over 500 years.

    Australians just don't have a long enough history to match that. Although I'm still pretty bitter about the British dragging us into the First World War and sending young Australians off to invade the Ottoman Empire.

    People who take an intense interest in history do tend to get quite passionate about it.

    In Hungary some people criticize the first king István for having murdered pagans (including a vast number of his own relatives, real or potential pretenders to the throne), and that goes back a thousand years. Though I think it’s all mostly based on a very popular early 1980s rock opera, so this debate really just goes back a few decades.

    I think many of these seemingly very old debates have long ago been forgotten, but then revived in some later age, often based on faulty understanding of the issue at hand. People then believe they represent an ancient viewpoint, when in fact probably no one at the time thought like these modern people.

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    I think many of these seemingly very old debates have long ago been forgotten, but then revived in some later age, often based on faulty understanding of the issue at hand. People then believe they represent an ancient viewpoint, when in fact probably no one at the time thought like these modern people.
     
    Yes, I think that's very much the case. Especially in the case of the English Civil War which is all too often interpreted in terms of modern political disputes and ideologies. It's amazing how often people assume that the Parliamentarians believed in democracy.
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  181. @dfordoom

    It’s always interesting to me how contentious aspects of even the somewhat remote past are in many cultures and civilizations, and how people regard it as relevant to the present day, that’s quite the contrast with many (not all) Western countries today
     
    You'd be amazed how hot under the collar many Englishmen still get about things like the Civil War (mid-17th century). Not long ago I got into a fierce argument over the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and I was accused of being a Jacobite traitor. And try suggesting to an Englishman that Elizabeth I was actually a disastrous and incompetent monarch. Or that the execution of Mary Queen of Scots was simple murder.

    I've even witnessed some extraordinarily nasty arguments over whether Richard III really did murder the Princes in the Tower and that's going back over 500 years.

    Australians just don't have a long enough history to match that. Although I'm still pretty bitter about the British dragging us into the First World War and sending young Australians off to invade the Ottoman Empire.

    People who take an intense interest in history do tend to get quite passionate about it.

    You’d be amazed how hot under the collar many Englishmen still get about things like the Civil War (mid-17th century). Not long ago I got into a fierce argument over the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and I was accused of being a Jacobite traitor.

    I sort of understand…my father’s English, and has at times stated his regret that Britain didn’t have a strong monarchy like on the continent in the 17th/18th centuries, with non-conformists just being burned at the stake (he regards them as partly responsible for later subversive developments)…maybe a bit extreme, but views of that past can still be important for people’s self-conception, even though the actual issues have long since faded into obscurity.

    Although I’m still pretty bitter about the British dragging us into the First World War and sending young Australians off to invade the Ottoman Empire.

    I know, that’s one of your foundation myths, isn’t it (though one that will unfortunately be lost, I’d suppose, since it can’t mean much to all those “new” Australians)?
    Germany just is very different, in public discourse historical memory really has shrunk down to 1933-1945 and little else.

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    I know, that’s one of your foundation myths, isn’t it
     
    Very much so.

    (though one that will unfortunately be lost, I’d suppose, since it can’t mean much to all those “new” Australians)?
     
    That's probably true, although it's an issue that still gets an amazing amount of attention in the Australian media.
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  182. @Talha
    Possibly - but they are true Afghans. One must remember that Afghans don’t feel they need to recognize the Durand Line - and I don’t blame them. Either way, whether in Afghanistan or Pakistan, their identity of being Afghan does not change.

    Peace.

    I put “Afghans” in quotes because there’s some ambiguity– for me it means “Pathans” when used as an ethnicity, but it can also mean “people of Afghanistan” in some other contexts.

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    Good point - everyone calls them Pathans in Pakistan.
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  183. @Anon
    I put "Afghans" in quotes because there's some ambiguity-- for me it means "Pathans" when used as an ethnicity, but it can also mean "people of Afghanistan" in some other contexts.

    Good point – everyone calls them Pathans in Pakistan.

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  184. @reiner Tor
    In Hungary some people criticize the first king István for having murdered pagans (including a vast number of his own relatives, real or potential pretenders to the throne), and that goes back a thousand years. Though I think it’s all mostly based on a very popular early 1980s rock opera, so this debate really just goes back a few decades.

    I think many of these seemingly very old debates have long ago been forgotten, but then revived in some later age, often based on faulty understanding of the issue at hand. People then believe they represent an ancient viewpoint, when in fact probably no one at the time thought like these modern people.

    I think many of these seemingly very old debates have long ago been forgotten, but then revived in some later age, often based on faulty understanding of the issue at hand. People then believe they represent an ancient viewpoint, when in fact probably no one at the time thought like these modern people.

    Yes, I think that’s very much the case. Especially in the case of the English Civil War which is all too often interpreted in terms of modern political disputes and ideologies. It’s amazing how often people assume that the Parliamentarians believed in democracy.

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  185. @German_reader

    You’d be amazed how hot under the collar many Englishmen still get about things like the Civil War (mid-17th century). Not long ago I got into a fierce argument over the Glorious Revolution of 1688 and I was accused of being a Jacobite traitor.
     
    I sort of understand...my father's English, and has at times stated his regret that Britain didn't have a strong monarchy like on the continent in the 17th/18th centuries, with non-conformists just being burned at the stake (he regards them as partly responsible for later subversive developments)...maybe a bit extreme, but views of that past can still be important for people's self-conception, even though the actual issues have long since faded into obscurity.

    Although I’m still pretty bitter about the British dragging us into the First World War and sending young Australians off to invade the Ottoman Empire.
     
    I know, that's one of your foundation myths, isn't it (though one that will unfortunately be lost, I'd suppose, since it can't mean much to all those "new" Australians)?
    Germany just is very different, in public discourse historical memory really has shrunk down to 1933-1945 and little else.

    I know, that’s one of your foundation myths, isn’t it

    Very much so.

    (though one that will unfortunately be lost, I’d suppose, since it can’t mean much to all those “new” Australians)?

    That’s probably true, although it’s an issue that still gets an amazing amount of attention in the Australian media.

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  186. @Duke of Qin
    You think wrong. The Northern Han have very little steppe ancestry and practically none from Koreans (it is the other way around, Northern Han gene flow into Korea).

    You think wrong. The Northern Han have very little steppe ancestry and practically none from Koreans (it is the other way around, Northern Han gene flow into Korea).

    I am not a geneticist by any means, but I think Northern Han are much more genetically shifted toward eastern Siberian (not “steppe”)/northern Manchurian genes than Southern Han people. The Han people are, more or less, on a north-south spectrum in their genetic clustering (with some exceptions due to later colonizations, e.g. Sichuan).

    Your Han purism is unscientific.

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  187. @Daniel Chieh
    Northern Chinese genetics definitely show closer relation with northern groups, though it could be from an ancestor population that no longer exists.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2011139

    Analysis:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/07/how-chinese-genetics-is-like-chinese-food/

    And specifically this image:
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2011/07/chinapca.jpg

    Northern Chinese genetics definitely show closer relation with northern groups, though it could be from an ancestor population that no longer exists.

    I think it’s VERY likely that both Northern Chinese and Koreans/Japanese had substantial infusion of eastern Siberian gene flow in prehistoric and ancient times. It’s probably more accurate to say that there was gene flow from ancestor populations that no longer exist in their earlier forms. In other words, both Northern Chinese and Koreans/Japanese probably have a good deal of genes from people the ancient Chinese called “Dong Hu.”

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  188. @Daniel Chieh
    Its always been rather silly. Both populations have huge influence from an ancestral O-M176 haplogroup, although technically the Japanese have an unique D haplogroup and Koreans bits of the mainland North Chinese O3 and small traces of Mongolian C3.

    Overall, Japanese face is generally longer, while the Korean face has a more prominent jaw and higher cheekbones. For some reason, the Korean population apparently has a subgroup with more Caucasian features, and I'm not sure why(something I need to research).

    For some reason, the Korean population apparently has a subgroup with more Caucasian features, and I’m not sure why(something I need to research).

    I am lactose tolerant, 6’2″ tall, very fair, have double eyelids and “big eyes,” long (for an East Asian) nose, and have reddish body/facial hair. I’m also quite hairy – a lot of people say I am the hairiest Asian they ever met. I can grow a full, red-tinged, beard. Someone on Razib Khan’s blog told me that the red hair is from eastern (Asian) Neanderthal genes.

    My wife thinks that the Asian celebrity I most resemble is Takeshi Kaneshiro.

    I had my genetic ancestry testing done, and I did come out as 10% shared with modern Mongolians (and 99.9% shared with modern East Asians and 0.1% shared with Native Americans), and something like 4-5 times more likely than average East Asian to have light eyes and light hair. I have caramel eyes and black hair, but have children with green eyes and red/brown/blondish hair (my wife is 99.9% Northwestern European, almost entirely British/Irish, German, and Scandinavian).

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  189. @Alden
    Some of the Chinese history books have the same viewpoint as you. I remember reading that some of the Manchu families had not worked in 200 years but lived on government subsidizes just for being Manchu.

    Just out of curiosity: are such textbooks currently available on the internet?

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  190. @Duke of Qin
    Manchuria didn't exist until the 19th century. Rather it conflates two historical separate areas. The Northern sector of Heilongjiang and parts of Jilin were barbarians lands. Southern Manchuria, i.e. Liaoning has been Chinese long before the Manchus showed up.

    Of course not all women only care about aggression in men, they want status too. White men, despite I suspect many here would disagree, still have the highest status in the West and really the world at large…but find high status whites and more aggressive ones at that a winning combination.

    You can just say Jewish.

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  191. @Duke of Qin
    You would probably be less amused if you knew which injustices I had in mind Turk. My enmities are a little more primal and ancient than the mere opium wars which were a farce. I am a Han racialist and not a Chinese nationalist. Oh I have no love for the perfidious Albion and am smirking at the prospect at her being annihilated by self inflicted barbarian hordes. It's just that given the option I'd rather have the road from Xian to Constantinople lined with gibbets filled with your kinsmen, the stinking degenerate steppe nomad.

    Chinks vs T*rks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Come buy your tickets ladies and gentlemen!!!

    Best seats in the house!!

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  192. @Duke of Qin
    I don't like anyone who lived north of the Ordos loop circa 200 BC. But to give a less flip answer, basically any people descendant from the barbarians that emerged from Eurasian steppe in antiquity. Huns, Avars, Alans included. These bastards ruin civilization wherever they go and they still do. I fully support any Greek maximalist who want to reclaim their Anatolian holdings and booting those invaders off Cyprus too.

    Qin was a fiefdom, one of those granted by the Kings of Zhou, the first Chinese polity, to the Ying clan. A descendant of whom became the first emperor. Think of a European title like the Duke of Anjou. If a descendant of that Duke became emperor, he would rename the entire state the Empire of Anjou. That is where Chinese Dynastic state names tend to get their origin from, a practice that remained in effect until around 1280. Another tradition ruined by barbarians.

    Dude you are so fucking weird, Jesus Christ. Cucklin, why does fringe politics attract so many weird people?

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