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This isn’t even half of it.

For instance, last July, there was this:

“I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about? Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”

He is completely correct, of course.

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He is also reasonably sane on Russia, at one point pointing out that if Putin really was a dictator, he’d have had Kasparov whacked a long time ago.

In reality, as I pointed out, life for opposition minded Russians is considerably safer under Putin than it was under Yeltsin.

So naturally he rejects the conspiracy theory that Russian hackers stole the US election as a CNN narrative, while Democratic Senators and Louise Mensch want the US to go to war with Russia over it.

 
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  1. Let me guess, AK, the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Indians and Persians were white, right?

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    • Replies: @Zenarchy
    Persians/ancient Iranians - yes. Red-haired or blonde.

    Check 2 among ancient Iranian subgroups:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#Physical_appearance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

    You must understand that 75% of Iranians were destroyed by Genghis Khan, and that there were massive migrations from Semitic territories...
    , @Boris N
    Define "white". According the most authoritative source in the USA, that is the US Census Bureau, white "refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa". That is Egyptians, Sumerians (modern Iraq), and Persians are perfectly white. Indians are ambiguous, they were intitlly thought non-white, then they got the right to be white (for the purpose of naturalization mainly), then since 1970 they demanded to be considered "Asian" (for affirmative action privileges).
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  2. @rw95
    Let me guess, AK, the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Indians and Persians were white, right?

    Persians/ancient Iranians – yes. Red-haired or blonde.

    Check 2 among ancient Iranian subgroups:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#Physical_appearance

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

    You must understand that 75% of Iranians were destroyed by Genghis Khan, and that there were massive migrations from Semitic territories…

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    That sounds like myth-making, I don't think there's any serious evidence for the view that ancient Persians (who weren't identical with Alans or the steppe Scythians) looked like Northern Europeans. You seem to see examples of "racial degeneration" everywhere (cf. your recent post about Serbs), with little evidence.
    , @5371
    Funny no Greeks or Romans ever noticed this, although they kept repeating how blond Celts and Germans were. I guess they lacked the keen perception you developed more than 2000 years later.
    , @Boris N

    Persians/ancient Iranians – yes. Red-haired or blonde.

    Check 2 among ancient Iranian subgroups:
     
    I must disappoint you, but the default color of humans is dark hairs and dark eyes (skin color may vary). Fair hairs and blue eyes are very rare recent mutations which are somehow concentrated in Northern Europe and in small isolated pockets around Eurasia, mainly among isolated mountain populations. Scythians and Alans were Iranian in a sense they allegedly spoke an Iranian language and allegedly they migrated to the Pontic steppes from modern Iran or Central Asia. Most probably they intermixed with some local fair-haired and fair-skinned European population, but retained their language from the south.
    , @Boris N

    You must understand that 75% of Iranians were destroyed by Genghis Khan, and that there were massive migrations from Semitic territories…
     
    As a great deal of the history about Mongols this is a total nonsense. Historians are more eager to believe medieval manuscripts (an ancient form of fairy tales and propaganda) than maths, logic and logistics. The population of Inner Mongolia in 1918 was 650k, even if we consider that in Chinese Outer Mongolia there lived a half of Mongols, we just get 1.3 million people living in the Mongolian steppes just a hundred years ago. This is quite a normal number, considering that the usual density for a nomad population is 0.5 people per sq. km or less. The population of Iran at the same time was nearly ten times more, around 11 million. So given those numbers we could easily extrapolate into the past. So you say that a population of 500k could exterminate a population of 5 millions? Considering that not all of 500k could wage into the war, but even if all adult men were mustered the Mongol army was hardly 200k total, in realty it must be around 100k warriors (plus 200k horses, which is an enormous horde to feed, not counting a million or two of sheep as a staple food). So given that mathematics to exterminate 75% of Persians each Mongol warrior had to have killed at least 30 Persians. Mongols had really to try hard to achieve that genocidal feat or Persians were real pussies (unlikely). Not to mention Persia must have been a really vast and reach land to easily feed an additional couple of million horses and sheep.

    http://www.populstat.info/Asia/mongolic.htm
    http://www.populstat.info/Asia/iranc.htm
  3. In reality, as I pointed out, life for opposition minded Russians is considerably safer under Putin than it was under Yeltsin.

    I once checked the data of the main world organization fighting for journalists’ rights, did some math, and calculated that killings of journalists have decreased by roughly 50% in Putin’s years compared to the last 5 years under Yeltsin. But, of course, western presstitutes have gone down the Dubya look-it-up-in-your-gut road rather than taking the statistical highway.

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  4. @Zenarchy
    Persians/ancient Iranians - yes. Red-haired or blonde.

    Check 2 among ancient Iranian subgroups:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#Physical_appearance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

    You must understand that 75% of Iranians were destroyed by Genghis Khan, and that there were massive migrations from Semitic territories...

    That sounds like myth-making, I don’t think there’s any serious evidence for the view that ancient Persians (who weren’t identical with Alans or the steppe Scythians) looked like Northern Europeans. You seem to see examples of “racial degeneration” everywhere (cf. your recent post about Serbs), with little evidence.

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    • Replies: @Zenarchy
    Ad hominem much?

    Yeah, I think the idea they were mostly red-headed or blonde does sound ridiculous. There must have been enough non-Aryan substrate present that would make most at least brown-haired.

    But consider:

    1. That it's commonly accepted in science that humans are getting gradually darker after the last ice age, so Iranians were whiter 2.000 years ago.
    2. Migrations from semitic territories during the last 1.500 years
    3. If Chenghiz Han's genocide killed some 70 percent of Persians, who would they have kept alive? Upper classes who were almost certainly whiter (for obvious reasons, like elsewhere) or laborers?

    There's an additional speculation that just like in India and Anatolia/ME (Mittani), Aryans were mostly upper levels of society in Iran as well, and that that's why R1a, the chief haplogroup of Aryans and also Satem branch of IE linguistics is not nearly as common in modern Iranians as it is in upper caste Hindus or even Eastern Europeans...

    I really don't understand the "racial degeneration" bit. We're just much much more mixed than your average nationalist/racist likes to admit...

  5. @German_reader
    That sounds like myth-making, I don't think there's any serious evidence for the view that ancient Persians (who weren't identical with Alans or the steppe Scythians) looked like Northern Europeans. You seem to see examples of "racial degeneration" everywhere (cf. your recent post about Serbs), with little evidence.

    Ad hominem much?

    Yeah, I think the idea they were mostly red-headed or blonde does sound ridiculous. There must have been enough non-Aryan substrate present that would make most at least brown-haired.

    But consider:

    1. That it’s commonly accepted in science that humans are getting gradually darker after the last ice age, so Iranians were whiter 2.000 years ago.
    2. Migrations from semitic territories during the last 1.500 years
    3. If Chenghiz Han’s genocide killed some 70 percent of Persians, who would they have kept alive? Upper classes who were almost certainly whiter (for obvious reasons, like elsewhere) or laborers?

    There’s an additional speculation that just like in India and Anatolia/ME (Mittani), Aryans were mostly upper levels of society in Iran as well, and that that’s why R1a, the chief haplogroup of Aryans and also Satem branch of IE linguistics is not nearly as common in modern Iranians as it is in upper caste Hindus or even Eastern Europeans…

    I really don’t understand the “racial degeneration” bit. We’re just much much more mixed than your average nationalist/racist likes to admit…

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    "That it’s commonly accepted in science that humans are getting gradually darker after the last ice age, so Iranians were whiter 2.000 years ago."

    I've never heard of this claim...what's the evidence for it and how could one even know this? Seems dubious to me.

    "If Chenghiz Han’s genocide killed some 70 percent of Persians"

    Again, what's the evidence for this?
    I'm admittedly no expert on DNA (don't really understand the science tbh), but everything I've read indicates there's substantial continuity between the population of Iran in ancient times and today. Of course there was some Arab and South Asian admixture after the Islamic conquests, but with much less impact than claimed by you.

    "I really don’t understand the “racial degeneration” bit."

    I may have misread your post. It just reminded me somewhat of the more extreme white Nationalists who claim every great civilization in history was founded by blonde and blue-eyed "Aryans". While I'm pretty far right myself, this sounds only marginally less silly to me than e.g. Afrocentrism with its black Egyptians.

  6. @Zenarchy
    Persians/ancient Iranians - yes. Red-haired or blonde.

    Check 2 among ancient Iranian subgroups:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#Physical_appearance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

    You must understand that 75% of Iranians were destroyed by Genghis Khan, and that there were massive migrations from Semitic territories...

    Funny no Greeks or Romans ever noticed this, although they kept repeating how blond Celts and Germans were. I guess they lacked the keen perception you developed more than 2000 years later.

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    • Replies: @Zenarchy
    Are you massively brain-damaged??

    You bothered to comment, but not to read the 2 links, so it's MY keen perception??
    While Scythians and Alans were not geographically Iranian, they were Iranians.

    "The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans were tall, and blond."
    "In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[129] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[129][130] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[129][131] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[129] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[129][132] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[129][133] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[129] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[129][134] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[135] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired."

    Tired of lazy morons.
  7. @5371
    Funny no Greeks or Romans ever noticed this, although they kept repeating how blond Celts and Germans were. I guess they lacked the keen perception you developed more than 2000 years later.

    Are you massively brain-damaged??

    You bothered to comment, but not to read the 2 links, so it’s MY keen perception??
    While Scythians and Alans were not geographically Iranian, they were Iranians.

    “The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans were tall, and blond.”
    “In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[129] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[129][130] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[129][131] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[129] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[129][132] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[129][133] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[129] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[129][134] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[135] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.”

    Tired of lazy morons.

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    • Replies: @5371
    None of your copy-pasting produced any reference to Iranians in general being blond or blue eyed. I submit that any brain damage is proper to you.
  8. @Zenarchy
    Ad hominem much?

    Yeah, I think the idea they were mostly red-headed or blonde does sound ridiculous. There must have been enough non-Aryan substrate present that would make most at least brown-haired.

    But consider:

    1. That it's commonly accepted in science that humans are getting gradually darker after the last ice age, so Iranians were whiter 2.000 years ago.
    2. Migrations from semitic territories during the last 1.500 years
    3. If Chenghiz Han's genocide killed some 70 percent of Persians, who would they have kept alive? Upper classes who were almost certainly whiter (for obvious reasons, like elsewhere) or laborers?

    There's an additional speculation that just like in India and Anatolia/ME (Mittani), Aryans were mostly upper levels of society in Iran as well, and that that's why R1a, the chief haplogroup of Aryans and also Satem branch of IE linguistics is not nearly as common in modern Iranians as it is in upper caste Hindus or even Eastern Europeans...

    I really don't understand the "racial degeneration" bit. We're just much much more mixed than your average nationalist/racist likes to admit...

    “That it’s commonly accepted in science that humans are getting gradually darker after the last ice age, so Iranians were whiter 2.000 years ago.”

    I’ve never heard of this claim…what’s the evidence for it and how could one even know this? Seems dubious to me.

    “If Chenghiz Han’s genocide killed some 70 percent of Persians”

    Again, what’s the evidence for this?
    I’m admittedly no expert on DNA (don’t really understand the science tbh), but everything I’ve read indicates there’s substantial continuity between the population of Iran in ancient times and today. Of course there was some Arab and South Asian admixture after the Islamic conquests, but with much less impact than claimed by you.

    “I really don’t understand the “racial degeneration” bit.”

    I may have misread your post. It just reminded me somewhat of the more extreme white Nationalists who claim every great civilization in history was founded by blonde and blue-eyed “Aryans”. While I’m pretty far right myself, this sounds only marginally less silly to me than e.g. Afrocentrism with its black Egyptians.

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  9. The whole White people business though does get a little tired Charlie.

    I agree – this kind of extreme behavior usually leads to other extreme behavior…

    Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?

    …oh hello.

    He is completely correct, of course.

    He is if one is to define civilization as purely in the realm of material progress and that it starts around 450+ years ago. There is that nagging fact that all of the surviving major world religions were initially founded not in Europe. I guess Homer Simpson would reply; “Religion – pffffssshhh – you can’t eat that!”

    “And every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world.”

    Oh, you mean the franchise Europeans assumed from the guys who didn’t look like this:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=last+supper&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj05oX-wdTSAhUrl1QKHQ_TDfAQ_AUICCgB&biw=1344&bih=774#imgrc=_

    And the non-European Eastern franchises may have a beef with them assuming the mantle since 1054 anyway.

    One extreme doesn’t need to lead to another extreme – otherwise people end up sounding…extreme. Europeans contributed a great deal to make the world a better place – anyone who doesn’t think so is a fool, anybody who thinks others didn’t contribute enormously to world civilization is also a fool.

    Peace.

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  10. @Zenarchy
    Are you massively brain-damaged??

    You bothered to comment, but not to read the 2 links, so it's MY keen perception??
    While Scythians and Alans were not geographically Iranian, they were Iranians.

    "The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans were tall, and blond."
    "In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[129] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[129][130] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[129][131] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[129] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[129][132] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[129][133] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[129] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[129][134] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[135] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired."

    Tired of lazy morons.

    None of your copy-pasting produced any reference to Iranians in general being blond or blue eyed. I submit that any brain damage is proper to you.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey 5371,

    Actually the source does the opposite...
    "The Scythians subsequently engaged in frequent conflicts with the Achaemenid Empire."

    If you're going up against King Cyrus, um, you don't get to claim to be the Persian people - unless you win of course.

    Peace.
  11. @5371
    None of your copy-pasting produced any reference to Iranians in general being blond or blue eyed. I submit that any brain damage is proper to you.

    Hey 5371,

    Actually the source does the opposite…
    “The Scythians subsequently engaged in frequent conflicts with the Achaemenid Empire.”

    If you’re going up against King Cyrus, um, you don’t get to claim to be the Persian people – unless you win of course.

    Peace.

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  12. @rw95
    Let me guess, AK, the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Indians and Persians were white, right?

    Define “white”. According the most authoritative source in the USA, that is the US Census Bureau, white “refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa”. That is Egyptians, Sumerians (modern Iraq), and Persians are perfectly white. Indians are ambiguous, they were intitlly thought non-white, then they got the right to be white (for the purpose of naturalization mainly), then since 1970 they demanded to be considered “Asian” (for affirmative action privileges).

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  13. @Zenarchy
    Persians/ancient Iranians - yes. Red-haired or blonde.

    Check 2 among ancient Iranian subgroups:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#Physical_appearance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

    You must understand that 75% of Iranians were destroyed by Genghis Khan, and that there were massive migrations from Semitic territories...

    Persians/ancient Iranians – yes. Red-haired or blonde.

    Check 2 among ancient Iranian subgroups:

    I must disappoint you, but the default color of humans is dark hairs and dark eyes (skin color may vary). Fair hairs and blue eyes are very rare recent mutations which are somehow concentrated in Northern Europe and in small isolated pockets around Eurasia, mainly among isolated mountain populations. Scythians and Alans were Iranian in a sense they allegedly spoke an Iranian language and allegedly they migrated to the Pontic steppes from modern Iran or Central Asia. Most probably they intermixed with some local fair-haired and fair-skinned European population, but retained their language from the south.

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  14. @Zenarchy
    Persians/ancient Iranians - yes. Red-haired or blonde.

    Check 2 among ancient Iranian subgroups:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alans#Physical_appearance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

    You must understand that 75% of Iranians were destroyed by Genghis Khan, and that there were massive migrations from Semitic territories...

    You must understand that 75% of Iranians were destroyed by Genghis Khan, and that there were massive migrations from Semitic territories…

    As a great deal of the history about Mongols this is a total nonsense. Historians are more eager to believe medieval manuscripts (an ancient form of fairy tales and propaganda) than maths, logic and logistics. The population of Inner Mongolia in 1918 was 650k, even if we consider that in Chinese Outer Mongolia there lived a half of Mongols, we just get 1.3 million people living in the Mongolian steppes just a hundred years ago. This is quite a normal number, considering that the usual density for a nomad population is 0.5 people per sq. km or less. The population of Iran at the same time was nearly ten times more, around 11 million. So given those numbers we could easily extrapolate into the past. So you say that a population of 500k could exterminate a population of 5 millions? Considering that not all of 500k could wage into the war, but even if all adult men were mustered the Mongol army was hardly 200k total, in realty it must be around 100k warriors (plus 200k horses, which is an enormous horde to feed, not counting a million or two of sheep as a staple food). So given that mathematics to exterminate 75% of Persians each Mongol warrior had to have killed at least 30 Persians. Mongols had really to try hard to achieve that genocidal feat or Persians were real pussies (unlikely). Not to mention Persia must have been a really vast and reach land to easily feed an additional couple of million horses and sheep.

    http://www.populstat.info/Asia/mongolic.htm

    http://www.populstat.info/Asia/iranc.htm

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