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Putin:

Maybe they are not even Russians, but Ukrainians, Tatars or Jews, but with Russian citizenship, which should also be checked; maybe they have dual citizenship or a green card; maybe the US paid them for this. How can you know that? I do not know, either.

Western MSM:

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Of course, Julia Ioffe is a Jewish ultranationalist who believes that simply talking about Russians’ contributions to victory in WW2 is anti-Semitic:

Putin came to the Jewish Museum on the day of the liberation of Auschwitz and said: “Of course, the Russian people carried the main burden of the fight against Nazism, 70% of the Red Army were Russians. And the biggest sacrifices were made by the Russian people.

And then they say that Putin isn’t an anti-Semite.

But pointing out context like this is why I, too, am an anti-Semite.

 
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  1. I still like her better than Podhoretz.

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    • Replies: @Dmitry
    Funny search key words on Ioffe's Twitter account.

    There was complaint recently that Trump called places 'shithole' and introduced this word into discourse.

    But with Ioffe's Russophobia - we have:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/32017922675187712


    Claims that Russians all hate blacks - projection

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/751277178663251968

    But she says:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/32018895502049280

    Defending people from the insult of being 'black'?

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/4285129065242624

    Projection onto her own demographics:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/540246690989883392


    I like the use of the word 'but' as a negative.

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/187155651041034240


    Also has some issues with the gays?

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/742758749421572096

    , @Verymuchalive
    You mean she's not quite as evil as Masha Gessen.
    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    You set a very, very low bar there Greasy
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  2. Why did Putin make that statement though? What was his point in making such distinctions between Russian citizens based on ethnic origin? Seems especially odd given his hostility to Russian nationalists which you have often pointed out.

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    Why did Putin make that statement though? What was his point in making such distinctions between Russian citizens based on ethnic origin? Seems especially odd given his hostility to Russian nationalists which you have often pointed out.
     
    In the interview, they asked him if 'Russian nationals' were responsible. To my ears translates into English as 'people of Russian race' (nationality = race). His response was something like they could be another nationality (lists Ukrainian, Tatars, Jews) with Russian citizenship.

    In English language, they don't have the distinction between nationality and citizenship. (Although in the UK, they have four nationalities - English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish - with UK citizenship.) His comment was rather strange and unconvincing, but nothing at all offensive in it - just a typical tangential and meaningless Putin answer to a question.

    , @Chuck
    Why is a "German" so worried about offending Jewish feelings?
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  3. The story is mainly a translation mistake. Because in English they don’t have the distinction between Russian nationality and Russian citizenship. Combined Putin’s often strange tangential way of speaking. Not much more to it. Otherwise – why are the Tatars not complaining?

    Ioffe speaks Russian, so there is no excuse for her.

    I would say she would probably have been a good looking woman about 10 years ago.

    And she still looked medium level about 5 years ago.

    But now she became too old and ugly yet still unmarried, and nobody is pretending to be impressed with her ‘intelligence;.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes, I wonder if he was making some joke in reference to the translator's choice of "Russian" (the nationality) and "Russian" (the citizenship)?
    , @Mikhail
    There was no mistaking the hack job done on Putin. Numerous Western mass media articles had hyperbolic titles, erroneously suggesting that Putin singled out Jews. Upon going deep into some of these articles, one was given the counter impression.

    Some samples:

    https://thinkprogress.org/asked-about-us-election-meddling-putin-resorts-to-an-anti-semitic-smear-25e5d0a97db5/

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/putin-maybe-it-was-the-jews-who-meddled-in-u-s-presidential-election.html

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/03/putin-suggests-jews-may-have-meddled-with-us-election.html

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/377768-jewish-advocacy-group-denounces-putin-for-suggesting-jews

    In point of fact, Putin didn't single out Jews and clearly doesn't lump them all in one negative group, as evidenced by his manner over the years. On the matter of singling out, there has been a hypocritically applied selective sensitivity factor at play in some influential circles.

    Note the term "Russian mafia", relative to the actual ethnic/religious backgrounds of a good number associated with that category. A Norwegian IAAF member, recently gave credence to the idea of banning all Russians from track and field competition, regardless of whether they met the anti-doping requirements.

    Towards the end of apartheid era South Africa, the IAAF and IOC made it possible for South African nationals to compete at the highest level. Quite different from the current mood evident within some IAAF, IOC and WADA circles, relative to Russia.

    Ioffe is a coddled not so great, or even good intellect. Concerning the matters of Ioffe and Russian Jewry:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/09/21/getting-russia-wrong-again.html

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/09062016-enhanced-russia-bashing-at-the-new-york-times-analysis/

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/22122016-parting-shots-from-obama-and-clinton-analysis/

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/12/12/countering-anti-russian-propaganda.html
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  4. @German_reader
    Why did Putin make that statement though? What was his point in making such distinctions between Russian citizens based on ethnic origin? Seems especially odd given his hostility to Russian nationalists which you have often pointed out.

    Why did Putin make that statement though? What was his point in making such distinctions between Russian citizens based on ethnic origin? Seems especially odd given his hostility to Russian nationalists which you have often pointed out.

    In the interview, they asked him if ‘Russian nationals’ were responsible. To my ears translates into English as ‘people of Russian race’ (nationality = race). His response was something like they could be another nationality (lists Ukrainian, Tatars, Jews) with Russian citizenship.

    In English language, they don’t have the distinction between nationality and citizenship. (Although in the UK, they have four nationalities – English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish – with UK citizenship.) His comment was rather strange and unconvincing, but nothing at all offensive in it – just a typical tangential and meaningless Putin answer to a question.

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    I didn't know Putin had a tendency to make nonsensical statements (I hope he's not getting senile). I still think it's weird, from AK's writing I got the impression that ethnicity is a sensitive subject in Russia and the official ideology tries to downplay possible fissions. So I wouldn't have expected Putin to make such distinctions.
    , @Mikhail
    I think he was being a bit sarcastic. Note the hypocrisy when Russian/Russians is flippantly used when compared to the misinformation regarding what he actually said.
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  5. @Dmitry
    The story is mainly a translation mistake. Because in English they don't have the distinction between Russian nationality and Russian citizenship. Combined Putin's often strange tangential way of speaking. Not much more to it. Otherwise - why are the Tatars not complaining?

    Ioffe speaks Russian, so there is no excuse for her.

    I would say she would probably have been a good looking woman about 10 years ago.


    And she still looked medium level about 5 years ago.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRSgYLrglQ


    But now she became too old and ugly yet still unmarried, and nobody is pretending to be impressed with her 'intelligence;.

    Yes, I wonder if he was making some joke in reference to the translator’s choice of “Russian” (the nationality) and “Russian” (the citizenship)?

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    Yes, I wonder if he was making some joke in reference to the translator’s choice of “Russian” (the nationality) and “Russian” (the citizenship)?
     
    Yes the interviewer asks him 'Russian nationals' - and that is meaning like 'ethnic/racial Russians'. So it's obvious how his mind went off on some associative tangent about not knowing if that is true that they were Russian nationality, or another nationality (lists some famous nationalities).

    Nothing offensive in his comment, and you don't see Tatars complaining like American Jews.

    I always thought Putin has a weird tangential way of speaking, and seems to talk more and more in strange circles - hopefully he can keep his brain together until 2024.

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  6. @Greasy William
    I still like her better than Podhoretz.

    Funny search key words on Ioffe’s Twitter account.

    There was complaint recently that Trump called places ‘shithole’ and introduced this word into discourse.

    But with Ioffe’s Russophobia – we have:

    Claims that Russians all hate blacks – projection

    But she says:

    Defending people from the insult of being ‘black’?

    Projection onto her own demographics:

    I like the use of the word ‘but’ as a negative.

    Also has some issues with the gays?

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    That nigger Tweet caused a big scandal a couple of years ago, but reality was far more banal and predictable.

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/871594095906566144
    , @Mikhail
    Over the years, I periodically come across some crazed Zionists who say such about Russian Jews being corrupted in the manner she states.

    Never mind the bigotry among a number of Jews who weren’t from the former USSR. I’m not saying that Jews have a monopoly on bigotry. Rather, to underscore the BS said about Russians. Many Russians had an internationalist appreciation of other cultures before Communism.

    If Russians are so anti-Jewish, why the many Russian-Jewish intermarrying and why have a good number of Jews returned to Russia, with some who never left?

    BTW, I grew up with frequent contact among White Russians as well as mainstream US Jews. Bias aside, I seem to be more objective and well informed on this subject than Ioffe and the JRL court appointed opponents of her.
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  7. @Cagey Beast
    Yes, I wonder if he was making some joke in reference to the translator's choice of "Russian" (the nationality) and "Russian" (the citizenship)?

    Yes, I wonder if he was making some joke in reference to the translator’s choice of “Russian” (the nationality) and “Russian” (the citizenship)?

    Yes the interviewer asks him ‘Russian nationals’ – and that is meaning like ‘ethnic/racial Russians’. So it’s obvious how his mind went off on some associative tangent about not knowing if that is true that they were Russian nationality, or another nationality (lists some famous nationalities).

    Nothing offensive in his comment, and you don’t see Tatars complaining like American Jews.

    I always thought Putin has a weird tangential way of speaking, and seems to talk more and more in strange circles – hopefully he can keep his brain together until 2024.

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    • Replies: @ussr andy
    Russian is pretty "polysemantic" and high-context if one stops to think about it, and Russians like to ramble.

    There's a channel that posts pop-sci interviews with various experts. Today's episode was on the Iran-Iraq war. I listened to it and thought, meh. It was pretty rambling.

    Then I realized what my problem was. I was expecting the guy would _tell a story_.

    There doesn't seem to be that kind of "narrativism" in Russia. In the West, people invited on programs usually have some narrative that they follow, more so as most interviews are done to plug a newly published book or something, so the account they give on a topic is by necessity well-outlined and consistent (it need not be unbiased.)

    Btw, I think Putin is among the more lucid speakers.

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  8. It’s weird that while we can gather from Ioffe’s words that she is not quite right, she simply does not come off nearly as unhinged as liberal American Jewish writers do. The level of unhingedness is the same, but it manifests itself in a much more balanced and less obnoxious way when it comes from a Jew from Israel or the FSU.

    I always thought Putin has a weird tangential way of speaking, and seems to talk more and more in strange circles – hopefully he can keep his brain together until 2024.

    Why do you care? You’re not Russian, no matter how much you wish that you were.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I thought he was, with a Jewish grandpa or great-grandpa or something.
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  9. It’s weird that while we can gather from Ioffe’s words that she is not quite right, she simply does not come off nearly as unhinged as liberal American Jewish writers do. The level of unhingedness is the same, but it manifests itself in a much more balanced and less obnoxious way when it comes from a Jew from Israel or the FSU.

    She is – mentally unhinged.

    I always thought Putin has a weird tangential way of speaking, and seems to talk more and more in strange circles – hopefully he can keep his brain together until 2024.

    Why do you care? You’re not Russian, no matter how much you wish that you were.

    I’m a Russian in any way it would be defined. Well, working all night in the unspecified Western European country right now.

    Care for the country is not particularly high, or particularly low – probably somewhere around average as a cynic.

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  10. Of course, Julia Ioffe is a Jewish ultranationalist

    She defends the construction of a security barrier and that makes her an ‘ultra-nationalist’?

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    She defends the construction of a security barrier and that makes her an ‘ultra-nationalist’?
     
    You dumb POS.........Ioffe views herself and her parents as Jews , not Russians (making it particularly ironic this idiot would attempt to critics for supposedly trying to make the same distinction)

    She also defines her Jewishness, her Jewish identity ... in many ways of russophobia-. These morons view the fairly benign pograms and the treatment of a few Soviet jews in the 70's and 80's as not much better than the Holocaust.

    On this issue, Dmirtry is sport on:

    I don’t think she is ultra-nationalist Jew. Just bien pensant liberal American Jew, combined with unhinged suppressed racist tendencies towards blacks, that she projects onto Russians. As her looks fade with older age and she is yet unmarried, this has become more and more pronounced.



    Something – she usually thinks that Putin is pro-Jewish.
     
    I wud describe her as a jewish liberal etho-national globalist...with no contradictions in that desciption
    , @Anon
    By her standards, yes.
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  11. More searching keywords on Ioffe.

    I don’t think she is ultra-nationalist Jew. Just bien pensant liberal American Jew, combined with unhinged suppressed racist tendencies towards blacks, that she projects onto Russians. As her looks fade with older age and she is yet unmarried, this has become more and more pronounced.

    Something – she usually thinks that Putin is pro-Jewish.

    She seems pro-Israel, but does not tweet about it much over years.

    How main theme is a Russophobia and projection of her racist (Jungian) shadow – like kind of angry nagging wife behaves with a hated husband that she nonetheless refuses to allow a divorce to:

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  12. @Dmitry

    Why did Putin make that statement though? What was his point in making such distinctions between Russian citizens based on ethnic origin? Seems especially odd given his hostility to Russian nationalists which you have often pointed out.
     
    In the interview, they asked him if 'Russian nationals' were responsible. To my ears translates into English as 'people of Russian race' (nationality = race). His response was something like they could be another nationality (lists Ukrainian, Tatars, Jews) with Russian citizenship.

    In English language, they don't have the distinction between nationality and citizenship. (Although in the UK, they have four nationalities - English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish - with UK citizenship.) His comment was rather strange and unconvincing, but nothing at all offensive in it - just a typical tangential and meaningless Putin answer to a question.

    I didn’t know Putin had a tendency to make nonsensical statements (I hope he’s not getting senile). I still think it’s weird, from AK’s writing I got the impression that ethnicity is a sensitive subject in Russia and the official ideology tries to downplay possible fissions. So I wouldn’t have expected Putin to make such distinctions.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Russian has two translations in Russian, Russkiy (Russian ethnicity) or Rossiyskiy (Russian citizenship). Apparently the interpreter translated the question as Russkiy, and Putin made a joke about it. Probably he should have said “You mean Rossiyskiy?” and then moved on.
    , @Dmitry

    I didn’t know Putin had a tendency to make nonsensical statements (I hope he’s not getting senile). I still think it’s weird, from AK’s writing I got the impression that ethnicity is a sensitive subject in Russia and the official ideology tries to downplay possible fissions. So I wouldn’t have expected Putin to make such distinctions.

     

    Russia a multi-national country. And the national question in Russia is a sensitive topic indeed. Putin's view is that all the different nationalities are great and need to be respected. That is genuine part of his core beliefs - and you can see it in many policies and parts of his life.

    As for his 'nonsensical statements'. This is also how he avoids answering questions properly. He doesn't give a clear answer, but often moves off topic and starts talking about whatever he feels like talking about. It's also a symptom of power.

    He feels free, like he can just talk about whatever subject wants, or start telling anecdotes and jokes which are not always related to the question - and everyone still has to listen to his tangential offtopic statements.

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  13. Julia Ioffe’s twitter feed should be required reading for all goyim, especially christian zionists who love, love, love! jews.

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  14. @Dmitry

    Yes, I wonder if he was making some joke in reference to the translator’s choice of “Russian” (the nationality) and “Russian” (the citizenship)?
     
    Yes the interviewer asks him 'Russian nationals' - and that is meaning like 'ethnic/racial Russians'. So it's obvious how his mind went off on some associative tangent about not knowing if that is true that they were Russian nationality, or another nationality (lists some famous nationalities).

    Nothing offensive in his comment, and you don't see Tatars complaining like American Jews.

    I always thought Putin has a weird tangential way of speaking, and seems to talk more and more in strange circles - hopefully he can keep his brain together until 2024.

    Russian is pretty “polysemantic” and high-context if one stops to think about it, and Russians like to ramble.

    There’s a channel that posts pop-sci interviews with various experts. Today’s episode was on the Iran-Iraq war. I listened to it and thought, meh. It was pretty rambling.

    Then I realized what my problem was. I was expecting the guy would _tell a story_.

    There doesn’t seem to be that kind of “narrativism” in Russia. In the West, people invited on programs usually have some narrative that they follow, more so as most interviews are done to plug a newly published book or something, so the account they give on a topic is by necessity well-outlined and consistent (it need not be unbiased.)

    Btw, I think Putin is among the more lucid speakers.

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    or maybe culture has nothing to do with anything and there are just good speakers and bad speakers. Lankov (the North Kore...ologist?) for example is a terrific speaker.
    , @Dmitry

    There doesn’t seem to be that kind of “narrativism” in Russia. In the West, people invited on programs usually have some narrative that they follow, more so as most interviews are done to plug a newly published book or something, so the account they give on a topic is by necessity well-outlined and consistent (it need not be unbiased.)

    Btw, I think Putin is among the more lucid speakers.
     
    If you ask him a question he wants to answer. If you ask a question he wants to deflect, you will have some associative rambling - and possibly an anecdote or joke included if we are lucky.
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  15. @ussr andy
    Russian is pretty "polysemantic" and high-context if one stops to think about it, and Russians like to ramble.

    There's a channel that posts pop-sci interviews with various experts. Today's episode was on the Iran-Iraq war. I listened to it and thought, meh. It was pretty rambling.

    Then I realized what my problem was. I was expecting the guy would _tell a story_.

    There doesn't seem to be that kind of "narrativism" in Russia. In the West, people invited on programs usually have some narrative that they follow, more so as most interviews are done to plug a newly published book or something, so the account they give on a topic is by necessity well-outlined and consistent (it need not be unbiased.)

    Btw, I think Putin is among the more lucid speakers.

    or maybe culture has nothing to do with anything and there are just good speakers and bad speakers. Lankov (the North Kore…ologist?) for example is a terrific speaker.

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    • Replies: @ussr andy
    there was some UN meeting I listened to, I don't remember about what (Jerusalem?) Most ambassadors' speeches were boring formulaic stuff in thick officialese. Nicky Haley's speech was, by contrast, very lively (and Manichaean.)
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  16. @ussr andy
    or maybe culture has nothing to do with anything and there are just good speakers and bad speakers. Lankov (the North Kore...ologist?) for example is a terrific speaker.

    there was some UN meeting I listened to, I don’t remember about what (Jerusalem?) Most ambassadors’ speeches were boring formulaic stuff in thick officialese. Nicky Haley’s speech was, by contrast, very lively (and Manichaean.)

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  17. @Greasy William
    It's weird that while we can gather from Ioffe's words that she is not quite right, she simply does not come off nearly as unhinged as liberal American Jewish writers do. The level of unhingedness is the same, but it manifests itself in a much more balanced and less obnoxious way when it comes from a Jew from Israel or the FSU.

    I always thought Putin has a weird tangential way of speaking, and seems to talk more and more in strange circles – hopefully he can keep his brain together until 2024.
     
    Why do you care? You're not Russian, no matter how much you wish that you were.

    I thought he was, with a Jewish grandpa or great-grandpa or something.

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    I thought he was, with a Jewish grandpa or great-grandpa or something.

     

    Yes I have Jewish roots. My maternal grandfather was a Jew (through his mother's side of the family). Although his nationality was listed as Russian in his documents.

    The problem is that to be accepted as a Jew by religious Jewish community itself, it needs to be the maternal grandmother.

    So I'm non-Jew with Jewish roots (to the third-generation).

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  18. @German_reader
    I didn't know Putin had a tendency to make nonsensical statements (I hope he's not getting senile). I still think it's weird, from AK's writing I got the impression that ethnicity is a sensitive subject in Russia and the official ideology tries to downplay possible fissions. So I wouldn't have expected Putin to make such distinctions.

    Russian has two translations in Russian, Russkiy (Russian ethnicity) or Rossiyskiy (Russian citizenship). Apparently the interpreter translated the question as Russkiy, and Putin made a joke about it. Probably he should have said “You mean Rossiyskiy?” and then moved on.

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    I know about that distinction...but I'm still surprised about Putin's comments. He should have suspected that they could easily be misrepresented.
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  19. JL says:

    I actually thought he was trying to make a point about the inherent racism in the US’ hysterical anti-Russia campaign. In other words, you’d never hear anyone replace “Russian” with any of those other three nationalities (note how he chose groups close to Westerners’ hearts). But maybe it was just a weird lapse on his part. The second part of the comment makes no sense either, considering he personally ordered a law whereby Russian citizens are required to disclose to the FMS if they have foreign passports or permanent residencies.

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  20. @Dmitry
    Funny search key words on Ioffe's Twitter account.

    There was complaint recently that Trump called places 'shithole' and introduced this word into discourse.

    But with Ioffe's Russophobia - we have:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/32017922675187712


    Claims that Russians all hate blacks - projection

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/751277178663251968

    But she says:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/32018895502049280

    Defending people from the insult of being 'black'?

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/4285129065242624

    Projection onto her own demographics:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/540246690989883392


    I like the use of the word 'but' as a negative.

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/187155651041034240


    Also has some issues with the gays?

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/742758749421572096

    That nigger Tweet caused a big scandal a couple of years ago, but reality was far more banal and predictable.

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    • Replies: @Dmitry
    She presents herself as very politically correct and bien-pensant, which is probably how she has climbed into her high-level jobs.

    But reading between lines - quite an unhinged person, that projects all her negative suppressed feelings onto certain other nationality.
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  21. @simply talking about Russians’ contributions to victory in WW2 is anti-Semitic:

    She is not alone. In their narrative the War was exclusively the “Anti-fascist War”, the war for the defense and victory of the Jews. When Stalin dared to remind them that 20 mil Russians died defending their country and only 200,000 Soviet Jewish soldiers fell on the battlefield or into German captivity, it was taken as a proof of anti-semitism.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Military deaths were 5,756,000 Russians and 142,500 Jews, to be precise, and comparable as a proportion of their populations (5.8% and 4.7%, respectively).

    I doubt Stalin reminded them of anything since the official WW2 death tool under him was 7 million (raised to 20 million under Khrushchev, and the accurate 27 million under Gorbachev).
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  22. @Seraphim
    @simply talking about Russians’ contributions to victory in WW2 is anti-Semitic:

    She is not alone. In their narrative the War was exclusively the "Anti-fascist War", the war for the defense and victory of the Jews. When Stalin dared to remind them that 20 mil Russians died defending their country and only 200,000 Soviet Jewish soldiers fell on the battlefield or into German captivity, it was taken as a proof of anti-semitism.

    Military deaths were 5,756,000 Russians and 142,500 Jews, to be precise, and comparable as a proportion of their populations (5.8% and 4.7%, respectively).

    I doubt Stalin reminded them of anything since the official WW2 death tool under him was 7 million (raised to 20 million under Khrushchev, and the accurate 27 million under Gorbachev).

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    "Together with the Ukrainians and Belorussians that figure rises to 85%." (Anatoly Karlin).
    In relative terms 15% of the Russian population (of course if you consider Ukrainians and Bielorussians Russians).
    That only for military deaths. What is the percentage of all deaths for the Russian population, and what is the percentage of all deaths for the Jewish population? Apparently 2 million Jews were still alive when the 'anti-semitic persecutions' of Stalin began, out of 3 million before the war, with 142,000 military deaths.
    Apparently one of the manifestations of 'anti-semitism' was the question: Where were you when our people died in the trenches?
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  23. @Greasy William
    I still like her better than Podhoretz.

    You mean she’s not quite as evil as Masha Gessen.

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  24. Here is a very sympathetic review of the Putin-Kelly interview by Ray McGovern in Consortium News.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/12/nbcs-clueless-boost-for-putin/

    An excerpt:

    For some reason best known to Kelly and NBC, Kelly tried repeatedly to make the case that the U.S. decision to scrap the ABM treaty was a result of the terrorist attacks of 9/11, when, she said, “the United States was reasserting its security posture.”

    “Complete nonsense,” was Putin’s reply (“polniy chush” in Russian — chush ringing with onomatopoeia and a polite rendering of “B.S.”). Putin explained that “9/11 and the missile defense system are completely unrelated,” adding that even “housewives” are able to understand that. He found occasion to use “polniy chush” (or simply “chush) several times during the interview.

    Can someone in our Russian delegation confirm his translation (& transliteration) of “poniy chush”?

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  25. @reiner Tor
    I thought he was, with a Jewish grandpa or great-grandpa or something.

    I thought he was, with a Jewish grandpa or great-grandpa or something.

    Yes I have Jewish roots. My maternal grandfather was a Jew (through his mother’s side of the family). Although his nationality was listed as Russian in his documents.

    The problem is that to be accepted as a Jew by religious Jewish community itself, it needs to be the maternal grandmother.

    So I’m non-Jew with Jewish roots (to the third-generation).

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    The problem is that to be accepted as a Jew by religious Jewish community itself, it needs to be the maternal grandmother.

    Don't worry about not being accepted as a Jew by the religious Jewish community, the Jew-haters will insist upon accepting you.

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  26. @Anatoly Karlin
    That nigger Tweet caused a big scandal a couple of years ago, but reality was far more banal and predictable.

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/871594095906566144

    She presents herself as very politically correct and bien-pensant, which is probably how she has climbed into her high-level jobs.

    But reading between lines – quite an unhinged person, that projects all her negative suppressed feelings onto certain other nationality.

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  27. @Art Deco
    Of course, Julia Ioffe is a Jewish ultranationalist

    She defends the construction of a security barrier and that makes her an 'ultra-nationalist'?

    She defends the construction of a security barrier and that makes her an ‘ultra-nationalist’?

    You dumb POS………Ioffe views herself and her parents as Jews , not Russians (making it particularly ironic this idiot would attempt to critics for supposedly trying to make the same distinction)

    She also defines her Jewishness, her Jewish identity … in many ways of russophobia-. These morons view the fairly benign pograms and the treatment of a few Soviet jews in the 70′s and 80′s as not much better than the Holocaust.

    On this issue, Dmirtry is sport on:

    I don’t think she is ultra-nationalist Jew. Just bien pensant liberal American Jew, combined with unhinged suppressed racist tendencies towards blacks, that she projects onto Russians. As her looks fade with older age and she is yet unmarried, this has become more and more pronounced.

    Something – she usually thinks that Putin is pro-Jewish.

    I wud describe her as a jewish liberal etho-national globalist…with no contradictions in that desciption

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    Ioffe views herself and her parents as Jews , not Russians (making it particularly ironic this idiot would attempt to critics for supposedly trying to make the same distinction)
     
    Yes that is the irony.

    If she wanted to be Russian, nobody would stop her (it is not Soviet times anymore), and nowhere on your passport is listed your nationality.

    She chooses to distinguish herself as not-Russian (and to endlessly insult all Russians - and even Russian-speaking Americans - as being racist: which she knows is far from the truth).

    That is also fine that she identifies as being of Jewish nationality. But then why would you mind that Putin also mentions the Jewish nationality as a different nationality.

    Maybe Alina Kabaeva can issue a statement that she condemns Putin mentioning Tatars as a distinct nationality?
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  28. @Art Deco
    Of course, Julia Ioffe is a Jewish ultranationalist

    She defends the construction of a security barrier and that makes her an 'ultra-nationalist'?

    By her standards, yes.

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  29. An absurd faux-scandal.
    Nobody in Russia considers this an “offensive remark”…how the heck can some ADL idiot, western Russian “experts” and pig-ignorant American senators tell Russians what should be considered offensive in their own language and culture?

    It’s good Putin did make the comments because there is a distinction to be made…after all,Poroshenko’s son could well have Russian citizenship because his wife is Russian, he goes around in English schools wearing “Russia ” or “Rossiya” shirts, and of course ,he has helped his grandfather Valtsman to have his first grandchild, a russian grandchild ( Valtsman , that is, who writes letters to the FSB imploring them not to react to the latest Ukrainian provacations, and owes his wealth due to Russia, Russian investors, russian consumers, russian workers………identical to most of these parasitic Ukrainian “patriots” (i.e State Department employees)

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  30. @Gerard2

    She defends the construction of a security barrier and that makes her an ‘ultra-nationalist’?
     
    You dumb POS.........Ioffe views herself and her parents as Jews , not Russians (making it particularly ironic this idiot would attempt to critics for supposedly trying to make the same distinction)

    She also defines her Jewishness, her Jewish identity ... in many ways of russophobia-. These morons view the fairly benign pograms and the treatment of a few Soviet jews in the 70's and 80's as not much better than the Holocaust.

    On this issue, Dmirtry is sport on:

    I don’t think she is ultra-nationalist Jew. Just bien pensant liberal American Jew, combined with unhinged suppressed racist tendencies towards blacks, that she projects onto Russians. As her looks fade with older age and she is yet unmarried, this has become more and more pronounced.



    Something – she usually thinks that Putin is pro-Jewish.
     
    I wud describe her as a jewish liberal etho-national globalist...with no contradictions in that desciption

    Ioffe views herself and her parents as Jews , not Russians (making it particularly ironic this idiot would attempt to critics for supposedly trying to make the same distinction)

    Yes that is the irony.

    If she wanted to be Russian, nobody would stop her (it is not Soviet times anymore), and nowhere on your passport is listed your nationality.

    She chooses to distinguish herself as not-Russian (and to endlessly insult all Russians – and even Russian-speaking Americans – as being racist: which she knows is far from the truth).

    That is also fine that she identifies as being of Jewish nationality. But then why would you mind that Putin also mentions the Jewish nationality as a different nationality.

    Maybe Alina Kabaeva can issue a statement that she condemns Putin mentioning Tatars as a distinct nationality?

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  31. @reiner Tor
    Russian has two translations in Russian, Russkiy (Russian ethnicity) or Rossiyskiy (Russian citizenship). Apparently the interpreter translated the question as Russkiy, and Putin made a joke about it. Probably he should have said “You mean Rossiyskiy?” and then moved on.

    I know about that distinction…but I’m still surprised about Putin’s comments. He should have suspected that they could easily be misrepresented.

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    I know about that distinction…but I’m still surprised about Putin’s comments. He should have suspected that they could easily be misrepresented.

     

    Yes but Putin's English is not good. When they phrase to him the question 'Russian nationals' - this is obviously translated to him as 'Russian nationality', and leads to this associative mentioning of different nationalities with Russian citizenship. Combined with his main desire, which is just to deflect away the question in some confusing way KGB trained person might do.
    , @reiner Tor
    Well, it’s difficult to speak at all if you want to avoid your words being misinterpreted by people intent on misinterpretating them.
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  32. @German_reader
    I didn't know Putin had a tendency to make nonsensical statements (I hope he's not getting senile). I still think it's weird, from AK's writing I got the impression that ethnicity is a sensitive subject in Russia and the official ideology tries to downplay possible fissions. So I wouldn't have expected Putin to make such distinctions.

    I didn’t know Putin had a tendency to make nonsensical statements (I hope he’s not getting senile). I still think it’s weird, from AK’s writing I got the impression that ethnicity is a sensitive subject in Russia and the official ideology tries to downplay possible fissions. So I wouldn’t have expected Putin to make such distinctions.

    Russia a multi-national country. And the national question in Russia is a sensitive topic indeed. Putin’s view is that all the different nationalities are great and need to be respected. That is genuine part of his core beliefs – and you can see it in many policies and parts of his life.

    As for his ‘nonsensical statements’. This is also how he avoids answering questions properly. He doesn’t give a clear answer, but often moves off topic and starts talking about whatever he feels like talking about. It’s also a symptom of power.

    He feels free, like he can just talk about whatever subject wants, or start telling anecdotes and jokes which are not always related to the question – and everyone still has to listen to his tangential offtopic statements.

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  33. @German_reader
    I know about that distinction...but I'm still surprised about Putin's comments. He should have suspected that they could easily be misrepresented.

    I know about that distinction…but I’m still surprised about Putin’s comments. He should have suspected that they could easily be misrepresented.

    Yes but Putin’s English is not good. When they phrase to him the question ‘Russian nationals’ – this is obviously translated to him as ‘Russian nationality’, and leads to this associative mentioning of different nationalities with Russian citizenship. Combined with his main desire, which is just to deflect away the question in some confusing way KGB trained person might do.

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  34. That said, I’m not sure Anatoly is the right guy to be levelling critiques at Ioffe

    look here….. http://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-37/

    Read that thread, and on the Russian sections,Karlin’s reading material are only links to the most braindead kreakl dimwits on the planet …Bershidsky, thenewtimes (seriously), Novaya Gazeta ( and on a defense matter…….even though they have been proven to have written garbage on defence issues for years) , Meduza and probably the Moscow Times.

    That’s just his links but many other anti-Russian comments and so forth….like the ridiculous,reactionary tosh about Russian “betraying” an anti-maidan activist living in Crimea and supposedly deporting her to Dnepropetrovsk where she hung herself in jail ( to the fake glee of ukrop scumbag dickheads)…..in reality she had a big falling out with her brother and other family members in Crimea who initiated criminal proceeding against her, I don’t think she was even physically deported…….and she voluntarily went to Ukraine, not the plentiful other places she could have gone to, anticipating she wouldn’t be jailed.

    It would help explain why profound russophiles like Martyanov, the Kremlin Stooge lot, Nina Byzantina ,Glossy and appear to think he’s a big russian liberal 5th columnist and commentators occaionally allude to this

    I’m neutral on whether he is or isn’t…..but worth pondering.

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    Ioffe and Karlin are parallel cases.

    They both born into the same demographic - people who are born in (Moscow?) and whose parents take them away as children to become Americans.

    And they enter the same profession - they are both professional 'Russian watchers'.

    They both moved back to Moscow to report directly (although Ioffe left after some years).

    The difference is that Karlin writes whatever unpopular or politically incorrect things he feels like.

    Whereas Ioffe suppressed and externalized all her politically incorrect views (she is probably a hundred times more racist than Karlin in her true self), and projected it onto Russians and onto her grandmother (who she tweets about how racist she is).

    And the final result, is that Karlin writes for Unz, and Ioffe writes for The Atlantic.

    , @AP

    Martyanov, the Kremlin Stooge lot, Nina Byzantina ,Glossy and appear to think he’s a big russian liberal 5th columnist
     
    All of these people either left Russia long ago or are not Russians. Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia - while those that avoid Russia have different opinions.
    , @Anon
    profound russophiles

    Strange choice of words for that lot of Americanized Stalinst LARPers whose sole interest in Russia is as an antagonist for "Anglo-Zionists" in their head canon. It's high time those creeps found another country to project their self-loathing and deranged fantasies onto and leave Russia alone.

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  35. @ussr andy
    Russian is pretty "polysemantic" and high-context if one stops to think about it, and Russians like to ramble.

    There's a channel that posts pop-sci interviews with various experts. Today's episode was on the Iran-Iraq war. I listened to it and thought, meh. It was pretty rambling.

    Then I realized what my problem was. I was expecting the guy would _tell a story_.

    There doesn't seem to be that kind of "narrativism" in Russia. In the West, people invited on programs usually have some narrative that they follow, more so as most interviews are done to plug a newly published book or something, so the account they give on a topic is by necessity well-outlined and consistent (it need not be unbiased.)

    Btw, I think Putin is among the more lucid speakers.

    There doesn’t seem to be that kind of “narrativism” in Russia. In the West, people invited on programs usually have some narrative that they follow, more so as most interviews are done to plug a newly published book or something, so the account they give on a topic is by necessity well-outlined and consistent (it need not be unbiased.)

    Btw, I think Putin is among the more lucid speakers.

    If you ask him a question he wants to answer. If you ask a question he wants to deflect, you will have some associative rambling – and possibly an anecdote or joke included if we are lucky.

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  36. @German_reader
    I know about that distinction...but I'm still surprised about Putin's comments. He should have suspected that they could easily be misrepresented.

    Well, it’s difficult to speak at all if you want to avoid your words being misinterpreted by people intent on misinterpretating them.

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    True enough, and given how Putin has become Satan for Western liberals it doesn't really matter much anyway.
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  37. @Gerard2
    That said, I'm not sure Anatoly is the right guy to be levelling critiques at Ioffe

    look here..... http://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-37/

    Read that thread, and on the Russian sections,Karlin's reading material are only links to the most braindead kreakl dimwits on the planet ...Bershidsky, thenewtimes (seriously), Novaya Gazeta ( and on a defense matter.......even though they have been proven to have written garbage on defence issues for years) , Meduza and probably the Moscow Times.

    That's just his links but many other anti-Russian comments and so forth....like the ridiculous,reactionary tosh about Russian "betraying" an anti-maidan activist living in Crimea and supposedly deporting her to Dnepropetrovsk where she hung herself in jail ( to the fake glee of ukrop scumbag dickheads).....in reality she had a big falling out with her brother and other family members in Crimea who initiated criminal proceeding against her, I don't think she was even physically deported.......and she voluntarily went to Ukraine, not the plentiful other places she could have gone to, anticipating she wouldn't be jailed.

    It would help explain why profound russophiles like Martyanov, the Kremlin Stooge lot, Nina Byzantina ,Glossy and appear to think he's a big russian liberal 5th columnist and commentators occaionally allude to this

    I'm neutral on whether he is or isn't.....but worth pondering.

    Ioffe and Karlin are parallel cases.

    They both born into the same demographic – people who are born in (Moscow?) and whose parents take them away as children to become Americans.

    And they enter the same profession – they are both professional ‘Russian watchers’.

    They both moved back to Moscow to report directly (although Ioffe left after some years).

    The difference is that Karlin writes whatever unpopular or politically incorrect things he feels like.

    Whereas Ioffe suppressed and externalized all her politically incorrect views (she is probably a hundred times more racist than Karlin in her true self), and projected it onto Russians and onto her grandmother (who she tweets about how racist she is).

    And the final result, is that Karlin writes for Unz, and Ioffe writes for The Atlantic.

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    Put mildly, Ioffe has undoubtedly encouraged bigotry as detailed:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/09062016-enhanced-russia-bashing-at-the-new-york-times-analysis/

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/22122016-parting-shots-from-obama-and-clinton-analysis/

    The likes of her typically (if not always) get coddled in their mass media appearances.
    , @Mikhail
    I'll add how fortunate it is to have other sources on the subject. Unfortunately, these excellent sources don't get propped, care of a phony, crony, baloney structure, that's evident across the geopolitical board.
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  38. @reiner Tor
    Well, it’s difficult to speak at all if you want to avoid your words being misinterpreted by people intent on misinterpretating them.

    True enough, and given how Putin has become Satan for Western liberals it doesn’t really matter much anyway.

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  39. @Greasy William
    I still like her better than Podhoretz.

    You set a very, very low bar there Greasy

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  40. @German_reader
    Why did Putin make that statement though? What was his point in making such distinctions between Russian citizens based on ethnic origin? Seems especially odd given his hostility to Russian nationalists which you have often pointed out.

    Why is a “German” so worried about offending Jewish feelings?

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    You got him pegged, he's actually a Jew pretending to be a Russophilic German who comments on a sub blog read by about 1000 people at the behest of the Mossad as part of a larger Psy Ops operation. But you can't fool everybody and obviously he didn't get past you.
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  41. AP says:
    @Gerard2
    That said, I'm not sure Anatoly is the right guy to be levelling critiques at Ioffe

    look here..... http://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-37/

    Read that thread, and on the Russian sections,Karlin's reading material are only links to the most braindead kreakl dimwits on the planet ...Bershidsky, thenewtimes (seriously), Novaya Gazeta ( and on a defense matter.......even though they have been proven to have written garbage on defence issues for years) , Meduza and probably the Moscow Times.

    That's just his links but many other anti-Russian comments and so forth....like the ridiculous,reactionary tosh about Russian "betraying" an anti-maidan activist living in Crimea and supposedly deporting her to Dnepropetrovsk where she hung herself in jail ( to the fake glee of ukrop scumbag dickheads).....in reality she had a big falling out with her brother and other family members in Crimea who initiated criminal proceeding against her, I don't think she was even physically deported.......and she voluntarily went to Ukraine, not the plentiful other places she could have gone to, anticipating she wouldn't be jailed.

    It would help explain why profound russophiles like Martyanov, the Kremlin Stooge lot, Nina Byzantina ,Glossy and appear to think he's a big russian liberal 5th columnist and commentators occaionally allude to this

    I'm neutral on whether he is or isn't.....but worth pondering.

    Martyanov, the Kremlin Stooge lot, Nina Byzantina ,Glossy and appear to think he’s a big russian liberal 5th columnist

    All of these people either left Russia long ago or are not Russians. Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia – while those that avoid Russia have different opinions.

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    All of these people either left Russia long ago or are not Russians. Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia – while those that avoid Russia have different opinions.

     

    It's true, because most people complain about wherever they are living - but popular complaining, doesn't mean things are getting worse, especially for a newcomer which doesn't see how it was ten or twenty years before.

    Talk to Canadians, American, Germans, British - (i.e. the world's most successful countries). And even they have a lot of complaints and cynicism about their countries, despite the fact they live in the world's most successful countries.

    The broader picture of the situation, also requires looking at actual data and economic/social indicators.

    , @Gerard2

    All of these people either left Russia long ago or are not Russians. Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia – while those that avoid Russia have different opinions.
     
    hahaha! You tried this attention-whoring bollocks before, in your desperation retardedness to be Anatoly's Bacha boy.Those people I mentioned get their knowledge of Russia and Ukraine from life experience, ....you get your braindead fantasist nonsense from....Wikipedia. They visit Russia, they know Russia.....you know fuckall and don't visit Russia

    All those guys are highly qualified in the job that they work in....you are non-talented unemployed mentally ill scumbag

    What's funny is that a retarded nutjob stalker moron like you knows all these different pro-Rrussia blogs ( no such thing as an English -language, pro-Ukraine blog exists...otherwise we all know a collection of psychopath would be out on the loose)....hence why a non-life fuckwit like you literally lives on them spreading easily disprovable , attention-whore, time-wasting lies

    Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia – while those that avoid Russia have different opinions
     
    ....errmmm no he hasn't you braindead prick.......this is what he has always been like before he moved to Moscow you idiot.....they have been feuding with him before his recent switch . There has been absolutely nothing controversial on domestic Russia that Anatoly has written since he returned.....it's been mainly his comments on Syria and Ukraine and that have got people questioning his anti-Russianisms

    Liberal media like Ekho,newtimes are supported by about 1% of the Russian population you idiot
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  42. @AP

    Martyanov, the Kremlin Stooge lot, Nina Byzantina ,Glossy and appear to think he’s a big russian liberal 5th columnist
     
    All of these people either left Russia long ago or are not Russians. Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia - while those that avoid Russia have different opinions.

    All of these people either left Russia long ago or are not Russians. Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia – while those that avoid Russia have different opinions.

    It’s true, because most people complain about wherever they are living – but popular complaining, doesn’t mean things are getting worse, especially for a newcomer which doesn’t see how it was ten or twenty years before.

    Talk to Canadians, American, Germans, British – (i.e. the world’s most successful countries). And even they have a lot of complaints and cynicism about their countries, despite the fact they live in the world’s most successful countries.

    The broader picture of the situation, also requires looking at actual data and economic/social indicators.

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  43. It’s true, because most people complain about wherever they are living – but popular complaining, doesn’t mean things are getting worse, especially for a newcomer which doesn’t see how it was ten or twenty years before.

    I had been visiting since 1999, had lived there in the mid 200os and been an annual visitor until 2013; I will certainly be back this year. Improvement has been considerable and enormous. There was something charming about the wild late 90s/early 2000s, although the Russian people didn’t deserve it and are right to be glad that those times are over.

    Locals I know are much more like Karlin in their attitudes towards the state and politicians, than they are like Russia fanboys who have not lived in Russia for 30 years. The people with family political connections are most cynical of all. Only friend I know who likes Putin is a former FSB officer who works for Gazprom, but even he is lukewarm. Otherwise – complete disdain for everybody. Though some people like the new mayor of Moscow.

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    Getting away from what Western mass media typically props, I regularly run into Ukrainian citizens (be they ethnic Ukrainian, Russian,Jewish, or any combo of the three and some others) who don't buy into the pro-Euromaidan/anti-Russian leaning BS.

    Many mainstream thinking Russians can walk and chew gum at the same time in the form of being constructive critics of Russia, while justifiably opposing the general views of of their country by the likes of The NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC.
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  44. @Chuck
    Why is a "German" so worried about offending Jewish feelings?

    You got him pegged, he’s actually a Jew pretending to be a Russophilic German who comments on a sub blog read by about 1000 people at the behest of the Mossad as part of a larger Psy Ops operation. But you can’t fool everybody and obviously he didn’t get past you.

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    "I've been found out!"
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  45. @Anatoly Karlin
    Military deaths were 5,756,000 Russians and 142,500 Jews, to be precise, and comparable as a proportion of their populations (5.8% and 4.7%, respectively).

    I doubt Stalin reminded them of anything since the official WW2 death tool under him was 7 million (raised to 20 million under Khrushchev, and the accurate 27 million under Gorbachev).

    “Together with the Ukrainians and Belorussians that figure rises to 85%.” (Anatoly Karlin).
    In relative terms 15% of the Russian population (of course if you consider Ukrainians and Bielorussians Russians).
    That only for military deaths. What is the percentage of all deaths for the Russian population, and what is the percentage of all deaths for the Jewish population? Apparently 2 million Jews were still alive when the ‘anti-semitic persecutions’ of Stalin began, out of 3 million before the war, with 142,000 military deaths.
    Apparently one of the manifestations of ‘anti-semitism’ was the question: Where were you when our people died in the trenches?

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  46. @Dmitry

    I thought he was, with a Jewish grandpa or great-grandpa or something.

     

    Yes I have Jewish roots. My maternal grandfather was a Jew (through his mother's side of the family). Although his nationality was listed as Russian in his documents.

    The problem is that to be accepted as a Jew by religious Jewish community itself, it needs to be the maternal grandmother.

    So I'm non-Jew with Jewish roots (to the third-generation).

    The problem is that to be accepted as a Jew by religious Jewish community itself, it needs to be the maternal grandmother.

    Don’t worry about not being accepted as a Jew by the religious Jewish community, the Jew-haters will insist upon accepting you.

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    In Hungary in the late 1930s there was a central banker turned prime minister who, so Regent Horthy hoped, was to arrest the country’s drift towards far right politics and a German alliance, but who, upon his first official visit to Nazi Germany, was so impressed by it, that he wanted to create a similar system in Hungary himself. He proposed anti-Jewish legislation, among others. Regent Horthy forced him out of office as soon as he managed to dig up some dirt on him. The dirt being a Jewish great-grandmother. (Or somewhere I read great-grandfather.)

    When in 1944 the Germans occupied Hungary, they tried to reinstate him as prime minister. (Horthy could use his Jewish background against him; he needed to reject this most rabidly pro-Nazi candidate even when German troops were in Hungary and his position was insecure.)

    So a Jewish great-grandparent was no obstacle to being a far right anti-Semitic leader of a far right anti-Semitic movement and being supported in it by actual Nazis.

    Are there any anti-Semites who care for a Jewish great-grandparent?
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  47. @Gerard2
    That said, I'm not sure Anatoly is the right guy to be levelling critiques at Ioffe

    look here..... http://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-37/

    Read that thread, and on the Russian sections,Karlin's reading material are only links to the most braindead kreakl dimwits on the planet ...Bershidsky, thenewtimes (seriously), Novaya Gazeta ( and on a defense matter.......even though they have been proven to have written garbage on defence issues for years) , Meduza and probably the Moscow Times.

    That's just his links but many other anti-Russian comments and so forth....like the ridiculous,reactionary tosh about Russian "betraying" an anti-maidan activist living in Crimea and supposedly deporting her to Dnepropetrovsk where she hung herself in jail ( to the fake glee of ukrop scumbag dickheads).....in reality she had a big falling out with her brother and other family members in Crimea who initiated criminal proceeding against her, I don't think she was even physically deported.......and she voluntarily went to Ukraine, not the plentiful other places she could have gone to, anticipating she wouldn't be jailed.

    It would help explain why profound russophiles like Martyanov, the Kremlin Stooge lot, Nina Byzantina ,Glossy and appear to think he's a big russian liberal 5th columnist and commentators occaionally allude to this

    I'm neutral on whether he is or isn't.....but worth pondering.

    profound russophiles

    Strange choice of words for that lot of Americanized Stalinst LARPers whose sole interest in Russia is as an antagonist for “Anglo-Zionists” in their head canon. It’s high time those creeps found another country to project their self-loathing and deranged fantasies onto and leave Russia alone.

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    St

    range choice of words for that lot of Americanized Stalinst LARPers whose sole interest in Russia is as an antagonist for “Anglo-Zionists” in their head canon. It’s high time those creeps found another country to project their self-loathing and deranged fantasies onto and leave Russia alone.
     
    really strange comment....none of those people I mentioned ( I forgot to add The Saker, as well ) fit that description. For starters most are actual Russians, the Kremlin Stooge is an extremely intelligent and well-reasoned guy who is married to a Russian, The Saker is a Tsarist supporter.

    I know the type you are referring to, but serious russophiles, all seem to be strongly convinced that Karlin is a liberast idiot..........this needs consideration.

    And to my original point....why is Karlin only promoting liberast scumbag material ?(I forgot to add ekho to his list of links)
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  48. @iffen
    The problem is that to be accepted as a Jew by religious Jewish community itself, it needs to be the maternal grandmother.

    Don't worry about not being accepted as a Jew by the religious Jewish community, the Jew-haters will insist upon accepting you.

    In Hungary in the late 1930s there was a central banker turned prime minister who, so Regent Horthy hoped, was to arrest the country’s drift towards far right politics and a German alliance, but who, upon his first official visit to Nazi Germany, was so impressed by it, that he wanted to create a similar system in Hungary himself. He proposed anti-Jewish legislation, among others. Regent Horthy forced him out of office as soon as he managed to dig up some dirt on him. The dirt being a Jewish great-grandmother. (Or somewhere I read great-grandfather.)

    When in 1944 the Germans occupied Hungary, they tried to reinstate him as prime minister. (Horthy could use his Jewish background against him; he needed to reject this most rabidly pro-Nazi candidate even when German troops were in Hungary and his position was insecure.)

    So a Jewish great-grandparent was no obstacle to being a far right anti-Semitic leader of a far right anti-Semitic movement and being supported in it by actual Nazis.

    Are there any anti-Semites who care for a Jewish great-grandparent?

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    In Hungary in the late 1930s there was a central banker turned prime minister who, so Regent Horthy hoped, was to arrest the country’s drift towards far right politics and a German alliance, but who, upon his first official visit to Nazi Germany, was so impressed by it, that he wanted to create a similar system in Hungary himself. He proposed anti-Jewish legislation, among others. Regent Horthy forced him out of office as soon as he managed to dig up some dirt on him. The dirt being a Jewish great-grandmother. (Or somewhere I read great-grandfather.)

    When in 1944 the Germans occupied Hungary, they tried to reinstate him as prime minister. (Horthy could use his Jewish background against him; he needed to reject this most rabidly pro-Nazi candidate even when German troops were in Hungary and his position was insecure.)

    So a Jewish great-grandparent was no obstacle to being a far right anti-Semitic leader of a far right anti-Semitic movement and being supported in it by actual Nazis.

    Are there any anti-Semites who care for a Jewish great-grandparent?
     
    In Russia and Ukraine, there is also this kind of game as well for politicians, especially if a politicians tries to get an Israeli passport.

    But in normal life, most people are proud of having different nationalities in their family tree. Certainly for me.

    The problem is it's diluted so you would become equally ridiculous if you tried to take on (LARP) your exotic identity, and rejected by the people who actually belong to that identity. Despite that I have some Jewish personality traits, even though it is small minority of my ancestry component.

    On Steve Sailer blog there was a lot of mocking about this, in relation to Elizabeth Warren, a politician in America who has some Native American roots, but claimed to be a full Native American. Probably the Native Americans feel she is giving them a bad image as well and will downplay her connection.
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  49. @Dmitry
    Ioffe and Karlin are parallel cases.

    They both born into the same demographic - people who are born in (Moscow?) and whose parents take them away as children to become Americans.

    And they enter the same profession - they are both professional 'Russian watchers'.

    They both moved back to Moscow to report directly (although Ioffe left after some years).

    The difference is that Karlin writes whatever unpopular or politically incorrect things he feels like.

    Whereas Ioffe suppressed and externalized all her politically incorrect views (she is probably a hundred times more racist than Karlin in her true self), and projected it onto Russians and onto her grandmother (who she tweets about how racist she is).

    And the final result, is that Karlin writes for Unz, and Ioffe writes for The Atlantic.

    Put mildly, Ioffe has undoubtedly encouraged bigotry as detailed:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/09062016-enhanced-russia-bashing-at-the-new-york-times-analysis/

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/22122016-parting-shots-from-obama-and-clinton-analysis/

    The likes of her typically (if not always) get coddled in their mass media appearances.

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  50. @reiner Tor
    In Hungary in the late 1930s there was a central banker turned prime minister who, so Regent Horthy hoped, was to arrest the country’s drift towards far right politics and a German alliance, but who, upon his first official visit to Nazi Germany, was so impressed by it, that he wanted to create a similar system in Hungary himself. He proposed anti-Jewish legislation, among others. Regent Horthy forced him out of office as soon as he managed to dig up some dirt on him. The dirt being a Jewish great-grandmother. (Or somewhere I read great-grandfather.)

    When in 1944 the Germans occupied Hungary, they tried to reinstate him as prime minister. (Horthy could use his Jewish background against him; he needed to reject this most rabidly pro-Nazi candidate even when German troops were in Hungary and his position was insecure.)

    So a Jewish great-grandparent was no obstacle to being a far right anti-Semitic leader of a far right anti-Semitic movement and being supported in it by actual Nazis.

    Are there any anti-Semites who care for a Jewish great-grandparent?

    In Hungary in the late 1930s there was a central banker turned prime minister who, so Regent Horthy hoped, was to arrest the country’s drift towards far right politics and a German alliance, but who, upon his first official visit to Nazi Germany, was so impressed by it, that he wanted to create a similar system in Hungary himself. He proposed anti-Jewish legislation, among others. Regent Horthy forced him out of office as soon as he managed to dig up some dirt on him. The dirt being a Jewish great-grandmother. (Or somewhere I read great-grandfather.)

    When in 1944 the Germans occupied Hungary, they tried to reinstate him as prime minister. (Horthy could use his Jewish background against him; he needed to reject this most rabidly pro-Nazi candidate even when German troops were in Hungary and his position was insecure.)

    So a Jewish great-grandparent was no obstacle to being a far right anti-Semitic leader of a far right anti-Semitic movement and being supported in it by actual Nazis.

    Are there any anti-Semites who care for a Jewish great-grandparent?

    In Russia and Ukraine, there is also this kind of game as well for politicians, especially if a politicians tries to get an Israeli passport.

    But in normal life, most people are proud of having different nationalities in their family tree. Certainly for me.

    The problem is it’s diluted so you would become equally ridiculous if you tried to take on (LARP) your exotic identity, and rejected by the people who actually belong to that identity. Despite that I have some Jewish personality traits, even though it is small minority of my ancestry component.

    On Steve Sailer blog there was a lot of mocking about this, in relation to Elizabeth Warren, a politician in America who has some Native American roots, but claimed to be a full Native American. Probably the Native Americans feel she is giving them a bad image as well and will downplay her connection.

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  51. @AP

    It’s true, because most people complain about wherever they are living – but popular complaining, doesn’t mean things are getting worse, especially for a newcomer which doesn’t see how it was ten or twenty years before.
     
    I had been visiting since 1999, had lived there in the mid 200os and been an annual visitor until 2013; I will certainly be back this year. Improvement has been considerable and enormous. There was something charming about the wild late 90s/early 2000s, although the Russian people didn't deserve it and are right to be glad that those times are over.

    Locals I know are much more like Karlin in their attitudes towards the state and politicians, than they are like Russia fanboys who have not lived in Russia for 30 years. The people with family political connections are most cynical of all. Only friend I know who likes Putin is a former FSB officer who works for Gazprom, but even he is lukewarm. Otherwise - complete disdain for everybody. Though some people like the new mayor of Moscow.

    Getting away from what Western mass media typically props, I regularly run into Ukrainian citizens (be they ethnic Ukrainian, Russian,Jewish, or any combo of the three and some others) who don’t buy into the pro-Euromaidan/anti-Russian leaning BS.

    Many mainstream thinking Russians can walk and chew gum at the same time in the form of being constructive critics of Russia, while justifiably opposing the general views of of their country by the likes of The NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC.

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  52. @Dmitry
    Ioffe and Karlin are parallel cases.

    They both born into the same demographic - people who are born in (Moscow?) and whose parents take them away as children to become Americans.

    And they enter the same profession - they are both professional 'Russian watchers'.

    They both moved back to Moscow to report directly (although Ioffe left after some years).

    The difference is that Karlin writes whatever unpopular or politically incorrect things he feels like.

    Whereas Ioffe suppressed and externalized all her politically incorrect views (she is probably a hundred times more racist than Karlin in her true self), and projected it onto Russians and onto her grandmother (who she tweets about how racist she is).

    And the final result, is that Karlin writes for Unz, and Ioffe writes for The Atlantic.

    I’ll add how fortunate it is to have other sources on the subject. Unfortunately, these excellent sources don’t get propped, care of a phony, crony, baloney structure, that’s evident across the geopolitical board.

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  53. @Anon
    profound russophiles

    Strange choice of words for that lot of Americanized Stalinst LARPers whose sole interest in Russia is as an antagonist for "Anglo-Zionists" in their head canon. It's high time those creeps found another country to project their self-loathing and deranged fantasies onto and leave Russia alone.

    St

    range choice of words for that lot of Americanized Stalinst LARPers whose sole interest in Russia is as an antagonist for “Anglo-Zionists” in their head canon. It’s high time those creeps found another country to project their self-loathing and deranged fantasies onto and leave Russia alone.

    really strange comment….none of those people I mentioned ( I forgot to add The Saker, as well ) fit that description. For starters most are actual Russians, the Kremlin Stooge is an extremely intelligent and well-reasoned guy who is married to a Russian, The Saker is a Tsarist supporter.

    I know the type you are referring to, but serious russophiles, all seem to be strongly convinced that Karlin is a liberast idiot……….this needs consideration.

    And to my original point….why is Karlin only promoting liberast scumbag material ?(I forgot to add ekho to his list of links)

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  54. @Greasy William
    You got him pegged, he's actually a Jew pretending to be a Russophilic German who comments on a sub blog read by about 1000 people at the behest of the Mossad as part of a larger Psy Ops operation. But you can't fool everybody and obviously he didn't get past you.

    “I’ve been found out!”

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  55. @Dmitry
    The story is mainly a translation mistake. Because in English they don't have the distinction between Russian nationality and Russian citizenship. Combined Putin's often strange tangential way of speaking. Not much more to it. Otherwise - why are the Tatars not complaining?

    Ioffe speaks Russian, so there is no excuse for her.

    I would say she would probably have been a good looking woman about 10 years ago.


    And she still looked medium level about 5 years ago.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRSgYLrglQ


    But now she became too old and ugly yet still unmarried, and nobody is pretending to be impressed with her 'intelligence;.

    There was no mistaking the hack job done on Putin. Numerous Western mass media articles had hyperbolic titles, erroneously suggesting that Putin singled out Jews. Upon going deep into some of these articles, one was given the counter impression.

    Some samples:

    https://thinkprogress.org/asked-about-us-election-meddling-putin-resorts-to-an-anti-semitic-smear-25e5d0a97db5/

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/putin-maybe-it-was-the-jews-who-meddled-in-u-s-presidential-election.html

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/03/putin-suggests-jews-may-have-meddled-with-us-election.html

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/377768-jewish-advocacy-group-denounces-putin-for-suggesting-jews

    In point of fact, Putin didn’t single out Jews and clearly doesn’t lump them all in one negative group, as evidenced by his manner over the years. On the matter of singling out, there has been a hypocritically applied selective sensitivity factor at play in some influential circles.

    Note the term “Russian mafia”, relative to the actual ethnic/religious backgrounds of a good number associated with that category. A Norwegian IAAF member, recently gave credence to the idea of banning all Russians from track and field competition, regardless of whether they met the anti-doping requirements.

    Towards the end of apartheid era South Africa, the IAAF and IOC made it possible for South African nationals to compete at the highest level. Quite different from the current mood evident within some IAAF, IOC and WADA circles, relative to Russia.

    Ioffe is a coddled not so great, or even good intellect. Concerning the matters of Ioffe and Russian Jewry:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/09/21/getting-russia-wrong-again.html

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/09062016-enhanced-russia-bashing-at-the-new-york-times-analysis/

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/22122016-parting-shots-from-obama-and-clinton-analysis/

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/12/12/countering-anti-russian-propaganda.html

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  56. @Dmitry

    Why did Putin make that statement though? What was his point in making such distinctions between Russian citizens based on ethnic origin? Seems especially odd given his hostility to Russian nationalists which you have often pointed out.
     
    In the interview, they asked him if 'Russian nationals' were responsible. To my ears translates into English as 'people of Russian race' (nationality = race). His response was something like they could be another nationality (lists Ukrainian, Tatars, Jews) with Russian citizenship.

    In English language, they don't have the distinction between nationality and citizenship. (Although in the UK, they have four nationalities - English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish - with UK citizenship.) His comment was rather strange and unconvincing, but nothing at all offensive in it - just a typical tangential and meaningless Putin answer to a question.

    I think he was being a bit sarcastic. Note the hypocrisy when Russian/Russians is flippantly used when compared to the misinformation regarding what he actually said.

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  57. @Dmitry
    Funny search key words on Ioffe's Twitter account.

    There was complaint recently that Trump called places 'shithole' and introduced this word into discourse.

    But with Ioffe's Russophobia - we have:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/32017922675187712


    Claims that Russians all hate blacks - projection

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/751277178663251968

    But she says:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/32018895502049280

    Defending people from the insult of being 'black'?

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/4285129065242624

    Projection onto her own demographics:

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/540246690989883392


    I like the use of the word 'but' as a negative.

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/187155651041034240


    Also has some issues with the gays?

    https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/742758749421572096

    Over the years, I periodically come across some crazed Zionists who say such about Russian Jews being corrupted in the manner she states.

    Never mind the bigotry among a number of Jews who weren’t from the former USSR. I’m not saying that Jews have a monopoly on bigotry. Rather, to underscore the BS said about Russians. Many Russians had an internationalist appreciation of other cultures before Communism.

    If Russians are so anti-Jewish, why the many Russian-Jewish intermarrying and why have a good number of Jews returned to Russia, with some who never left?

    BTW, I grew up with frequent contact among White Russians as well as mainstream US Jews. Bias aside, I seem to be more objective and well informed on this subject than Ioffe and the JRL court appointed opponents of her.

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    Russians aren't anti-jewish, they submissive philo-semites. jews hate Russians just as they hate all White people.
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  58. @AP

    Martyanov, the Kremlin Stooge lot, Nina Byzantina ,Glossy and appear to think he’s a big russian liberal 5th columnist
     
    All of these people either left Russia long ago or are not Russians. Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia - while those that avoid Russia have different opinions.

    All of these people either left Russia long ago or are not Russians. Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia – while those that avoid Russia have different opinions.

    hahaha! You tried this attention-whoring bollocks before, in your desperation retardedness to be Anatoly’s Bacha boy.Those people I mentioned get their knowledge of Russia and Ukraine from life experience, ….you get your braindead fantasist nonsense from….Wikipedia. They visit Russia, they know Russia…..you know fuckall and don’t visit Russia

    All those guys are highly qualified in the job that they work in….you are non-talented unemployed mentally ill scumbag

    What’s funny is that a retarded nutjob stalker moron like you knows all these different pro-Rrussia blogs ( no such thing as an English -language, pro-Ukraine blog exists…otherwise we all know a collection of psychopath would be out on the loose)….hence why a non-life fuckwit like you literally lives on them spreading easily disprovable , attention-whore, time-wasting lies

    Karlin moved back. It is no coincidence that he has become more cynical, realistic, and critical of the Russian government, after moving back and actually living in Russia – while those that avoid Russia have different opinions

    ….errmmm no he hasn’t you braindead prick…….this is what he has always been like before he moved to Moscow you idiot…..they have been feuding with him before his recent switch . There has been absolutely nothing controversial on domestic Russia that Anatoly has written since he returned…..it’s been mainly his comments on Syria and Ukraine and that have got people questioning his anti-Russianisms

    Liberal media like Ekho,newtimes are supported by about 1% of the Russian population you idiot

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  59. @Mikhail
    Over the years, I periodically come across some crazed Zionists who say such about Russian Jews being corrupted in the manner she states.

    Never mind the bigotry among a number of Jews who weren’t from the former USSR. I’m not saying that Jews have a monopoly on bigotry. Rather, to underscore the BS said about Russians. Many Russians had an internationalist appreciation of other cultures before Communism.

    If Russians are so anti-Jewish, why the many Russian-Jewish intermarrying and why have a good number of Jews returned to Russia, with some who never left?

    BTW, I grew up with frequent contact among White Russians as well as mainstream US Jews. Bias aside, I seem to be more objective and well informed on this subject than Ioffe and the JRL court appointed opponents of her.

    Russians aren’t anti-jewish, they submissive philo-semites. jews hate Russians just as they hate all White people.

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