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robert-stark Robert Stark is a journalist who specializes in interviewing various interesting figures from the Alt fringes. So you could I suppose view him as The Unz Review but on radio.

This is my second interview with him. Here is a link to the first.

Robert Stark interviews Anatoly Karlin.

Topics were my standard fare:

Basically, stuff that you’ve probably heard here before.

That said, we did veer into two fairly idiosyncratic tangents.

(1) The Alt Right should embrace Transhumanism

Yes, I know, they are sort of dorky and even SJWish at times. But technology has ideological load, as Michael Anissimov put it (in an article I can’t find), and it just so happens that transhuman techs are perfectly in line with Alt Right, NRx, Identitarian, and even White Nationalist agendas.

  • Raising IQs via genetic editing will arrest the dysgenic trends increasingly affected all peoples on the planet. Degenerating into a global idiocracy serves absolutely no-one’s interest: Not of Europeans, nor Asians, nor Africans.
  • Automation will (hopefully) redistribute resources from the NAM-pandering welfare systems of today to something more fair and equitable. It will also probably help even the gap between indigenous and immigrant fertility rates in Europe and the US.
  • Radical life extension will help preserve White majorities in Europe. The reason that they are declining isn’t just a matter of birth rates, but also of death rates; Europeans are simply much older than your typical immigrant “youth.” Plummeting mortality and morbidity rates – apart from their general desirability – will from an ethnic perspective overwhelmingly benefit Whites and help Europeans maintain majorities in their historic homelands.

Ultimately, this is the future, and ideologies that fail to grapple and engage with it will fall by the wayside.

(2) The Alt Left needs to become a thing

I completely agree with Robert Lindsay on this.

Do you think I should start an Alternative Left movement? People are calling me the Alternative Left. Alternative Left would be something like:

Economically Leftist or liberal (left on economics)
Socially Conservative or at least sane (right on social issues)

It would be something like a leftwing mirror of the Alternative Right.

Do you think it would go over? I am really getting sick of this Left/Right bullshit. Everyone has to decide if they are “conservative” or “liberal.” What bullshit. What if you are a little of both?

Just because I don’t want to engage in SJW faggotry – the sort of ideology that Lenin would have called an infantile disorder, and which Friedrich Engels correctly identified as serving the reaction – doesn’t necessarily mean I want to lick oligarch ass either.

There is no left or right, only nationalists and globalists.” – Marine Le Pen

 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: Alt Left, Alt Right, Ideology, Interviews, SJWs, Transhumanism 
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  1. 5371 says:

    [Ultimately, this is the future]

    No, it’s a collection of fantasies from the present, disturbingly little changed from fantasies of the past.

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    You nailed it.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    This is a common theme of yours but you never seem to expound on it.
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  2. AG says:
    @5371
    [Ultimately, this is the future]

    No, it's a collection of fantasies from the present, disturbingly little changed from fantasies of the past.

    You nailed it.

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  3. As much as I’d like to live to be 500 with the body of, say, a 30 year old (not too young, not too old), I don’t see much benefit to society as a whole to preserving a geriatric class. What are they going to do, work until they’re 80 and then become another parasitic class? You’ll end up with the struldbrugs from Gulliver’s Travels – but perhaps without the laws preventing them from becoming a deadweight.

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    ... to live to be 500 with the body of, say, a 30 year old
     
    But this would make retirement obsolete. (And incidentally save tons on pensions and medical care).
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  4. Craig Willy says: • Website

    Link to download the recent podcast appears to be broken (on Stark’s page).

    The first doesn’t work at all! :-/

    AK: Thanks, have sent this on to him. The link to the first podcast is merely missing a “3″ at the end, so just add it to make “Anatoly-Karlin-interivew.mp3″

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  5. We already have an alt-left,
    “Economically Leftist or liberal (left on economics)
    Socially Conservative or at least sane (right on social issues)”.
    Their ” Mencius Moldbug” has the dubious handle of “Reince Priebus”.
    They are more dangerous than their poorly-considered philosophy would betoken, because two wrongs don’t make a right just because they negate each other.

    Lindsey would have the post-marxist/hbd field to himself if he could move out of the shadow of 1849. it’s a hard club to quit; like Scientology or Amway…

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  6. Robert Lindsay’s views sound a lot like mine: left-wing on economics and negotiable on social issues. I am also pretty close to being an isolationist on foreign policy.

    Any other takers out there?

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    Yep, I believe in socialism but only for fellow countrymen / citizens. Shooting a few billionaires doesn't mean I have to pretend to believe that women are as strong as men, or that rappers are just as worthwhile as Beethoven
    , @Robert Lindsay
    Hi Anatoly, the link to my Alternative Left piece is not working. Thanks for the plug.

    [AK: Fixed, thanks.]
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  7. @5371
    [Ultimately, this is the future]

    No, it's a collection of fantasies from the present, disturbingly little changed from fantasies of the past.

    This is a common theme of yours but you never seem to expound on it.

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    Well, it's your blog, uninvited exposition would have been inappropriate))
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  8. @Taras Gitlerov
    As much as I'd like to live to be 500 with the body of, say, a 30 year old (not too young, not too old), I don't see much benefit to society as a whole to preserving a geriatric class. What are they going to do, work until they're 80 and then become another parasitic class? You'll end up with the struldbrugs from Gulliver's Travels - but perhaps without the laws preventing them from becoming a deadweight.

    … to live to be 500 with the body of, say, a 30 year old

    But this would make retirement obsolete. (And incidentally save tons on pensions and medical care).

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  9. Richard S says:

    I agree with you! In my head, left-wing means tough bolshie miners and union shop stewards from the working class. These bourgeois bullshitters from universities going on about transgender rights or whatever are NOT LEFT WING!

    By the way, you might want to consider changing “lick oligarch ass” to “kick”.. Just a suggestion, AK! ;)

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  10. Richard S says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Robert Lindsay's views sound a lot like mine: left-wing on economics and negotiable on social issues. I am also pretty close to being an isolationist on foreign policy.

    Any other takers out there?

    Yep, I believe in socialism but only for fellow countrymen / citizens. Shooting a few billionaires doesn’t mean I have to pretend to believe that women are as strong as men, or that rappers are just as worthwhile as Beethoven

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  11. 5371 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    This is a common theme of yours but you never seem to expound on it.

    Well, it’s your blog, uninvited exposition would have been inappropriate))

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  12. @Seamus Padraig
    Robert Lindsay's views sound a lot like mine: left-wing on economics and negotiable on social issues. I am also pretty close to being an isolationist on foreign policy.

    Any other takers out there?

    Hi Anatoly, the link to my Alternative Left piece is not working. Thanks for the plug.

    [AK: Fixed, thanks.]

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  13. Yevardian says:

    Sorry, but I still haven’t heard a compelling argument on why “Radical Life-Extension” shouldn’t be viewed as a joke.
    This sounds like a sick pathology brought about by a narcissistic generation too greedy and self-absorbed to raise and care for children.

    “Preserve white majority in Europe” (???), what a caste of ancient, infertile, semi-immortal caucasoid wizard-like beings ruling over, or rather babysitting; hordes of Africans and Muslims? That sounds like a wonderful future. What about organised deportation? Millions of Germans were expelled from E.Europe after WW2 for less reason.

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  14. There are millions of us “Alt Leftists” out there…we’re the Democrat-voting union tradesmen who also belong to the NRA. We’re the Republican-voting patriots who think Ayn Rand was a kook.

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  15. Yevardian says:

    Or the majority population of eastern Europe.

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  16. Hypnos says:

    Why is the Anglo-Saxon political panorama always so poor? I mean the UK and the US have had broadly the same parties since the 19th century!

    In Italy, we’ve had the Alt Left since the 1910s. It’s what early fascism was, before Mussolini got swindled by all the crap coming out of Germany (and by power).

    After the war, it was rebranded and updated as “social right”.

    Key tenets are social justice (as in redistribution and welfare state) and nationalism. It’s what Marine Le Pen stands for, basically.

    Other principles are traditionalism, identitarism, communitarianism, and national conservatism.

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  17. B.R. says:

    Economically Leftist or liberal (left on economics)
    Socially Conservative or at least sane (right on social issues)

    Why would you call it ‘alt left’? How about ‘old left’?

    There’s plenty of such people, however, few of them speak English and they are generally quite old. Especially thick on the ground in eastern Europe. They’re the reason crimethink is so common there. HBD might be a heresy no one dares to mention in the West, but in eastern Europe, it’s not controversial at all, especially among older people.

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